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Cyan Quinn joins us from Italy to report on last week’s Remigration Summit.

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But first, but first, Cyan Quinn is back with us to talk about an event that we wanted to lead with this evening.
Cyan Quinn is, of course, the program director at Countercurrents, but she's also the founder and director of the White Papers Policy Institute.
And we're going to tell you a little bit more about that organization later this hour.
But first, let's say hello.
Cyan, how are you tonight?
Thanks for being with us.
You have been very busy.
Hi, James.
Thank you so much for having me on.
I love coming on the Political Cesspool.
It's always a ton of fun talking to you.
You have this just infectious optimism.
And I felt a lot of that this weekend, too.
And I can't wait to talk about it with you.
Well, we are going to tell everybody what we are talking about.
And it is great to have you back.
And you certainly have that infectious, bubbly, effervescent approach as well to things.
And it's always good when it's real and when there is reason for it.
And we've got that tonight.
And so, and it's great to have you back on and it not be Valentine's Day.
So we're going to do it even, keep you even a little longer.
So you were in Milan, Italy.
That sounds so exotic.
That sounds so fashionable.
Although Milan is not everything people may think.
I mean, they have a big problem with immigration and diversity and all of that.
But Milan was the place for last week's remigration summit.
Now, Cyan, I've been following the evolution of this event since probably January, since the very first of the year.
And I was intrigued.
I thought it was very interesting.
But of course, I think I, like so many others, with this being publicly announced and something that was out there on social media, I was concerned as to whether or not it would be able to take place.
And indeed, it was put under a lot of duress, but it came off and it came off, I think, in a way that exceeded expectations.
Take over now, if you would.
And we've got a lot to cover about this, but I want to give you a wide berth to just give us a brief overview of the who, what, where, and why of last weekend's remigration summit in Italy.
That's right.
Well, it was an incredible event.
It was put on by four main players.
There was Andrea Balratti, and he is an identitarian activist in Italy himself, and he had a huge Italian team of volunteer videographers, event planners.
So he was actually extremely well organized.
And then two incredibly popular, also identitarian activists.
One is Martin Sellner from Austria, founder of Generation Identity.
The other is Dries van Langenhof from Belgium, formerly of Vlams-Bélang.
He was a former member of parliament and also has an incredible following, a fantastic voice, incredible reach.
He's a huge fighter for our people and for freedom of speech in Flanders.
And then there was also Afonso Gonzalez from Portugal.
Now, Portugal is seeing a huge surge in nationalist activity.
Chega just had their elections.
Fantastic news from over there.
So it's this team of four plus a ton of volunteers on the ground.
And I was really impressed with how they pulled it off.
They had multiple venues cancel on them because of the public nature of the event.
You and I talked a little bit about how we were both a little iffy about whether or not it would actually come off.
But, you know, and frankly, even if it didn't go off, it was still a major metapolitical victory because the entire Italian media was talking about it.
But we did, there were at least 300 people in the room, and it was really fantastic.
It was safe.
I was really happy with the conference.
I'm so happy that we went.
All right.
So we have talked about, we are going to try to examine this conference and take you there, at least verbally so, to where, if you weren't there, and certainly this American, a predominantly American listening audience, most of you were not, we do a few people who were there who are very good friends of ours.
We'll mention them in just a moment.
But we are going to try to paint as comprehensive of a picture as we can.
And Cyan, you were just mentioning, of course, where it was and who organized it.
What was its purpose?
I mean, I guess people could probably read between the lines when we tell you Remigration Summit, but it had a very specific objective.
That's exactly right.
So the message was remigration.
Europe and also the U.S. have been suffering a migration crisis.
And all of it, frankly, has been in recent years.
I mean, I think migration really picked up in 2010.
And so our Western countries have all been flooded with mass immigration.
And so the purpose of this conference was to recognize that this is a problem within Europe.
And then there were also a couple of American guests, myself and a former Trump endorsed candidate, Jackie Eubanks, were also there.
But we recognize that we're all facing this problem together, and we need to come up with a coordinated response to combat it.
That was actually the subject of the talk that Jean-Dier La Gallu.
I'm butchering it because I'm not French.
But he was the founder of the Iliad Institute.
He's actually, he's a hero of mine.
I can't pronounce his name, but he's a personal hero.
One of his main topics was that we as a people have this cultural identity that's over 5,000 years old, and we need to defend that, and we have a right to defend that.
And we need to work on that together.
He had the opinion that it was actually incorrect to demonize the EU, even though the EU is pushing a lot of migration.
Now, migration also needs to be combated through an international effort.
So international cooperation can be a good thing.
We need to harness it.
We can't let our enemies do that for us.
Ladies and gentlemen, I would direct your attention to AmericanRenaissance.com or AmericanRenaissance, Amran.com, of course, Amran.com.
Jared Taylor, who was there as an attendee, has written, you have a very definitive piece on this, along with Angelo Plume at Countercurrents.
But Jared reminded me of one of these sports reporters who's writing the story even as the game is still going on so they can get it out there as soon as the buzzer sounds.
And it seems as though Jared got this report up completely illustrated as well, almost instantaneously after the event ended, at least the next day.
And I have talked to Jared or at least emailed with him every day for the past four or five days.
And he wrote this in one of his emails, that the event was truly wonderful.
I'm reading from Jared's email.
I think it was certainly more than twice the average age of, he says, I was certainly more than twice the average age of the people there, Jared referring to himself.
Young, smart, dedicated, impressive.
It gives me great hope for the future.
And yes, to have pulled it off in the teeth of such opposition gave the whole thing a delicious flavor of victory.
A failure for the first summit could have been a catastrophe.
And, you know, it was interesting.
Jared was telling me some of the behind-the-scenes things that even the organizers, well into the 11th hour, had some doubt as to how this was going to go because they had lost two venues.
Another venue was getting shaky.
And when you have hundreds of people coming from all over the world and everybody's sort of, you know, you were going to get an email at 6.30 in the morning revealing where the third location was going to be.
So to be able to do that, you know, Cyan, we talked about this yesterday when you and I were talking on the phone.
It just goes to show that sometimes in life, whether it be in politics or in war or whatever, the extreme difference between victory and defeat can teeter on a knife's edge.
And it sometimes simply comes down to having a sheer willpower to see it through no matter what.
And so it was just tremendous to see that Sellner and Dries and the other principals in this were able to do it.
And I was looking at all of these pictures and all of these people were so young, so young.
And I commented just last week that it is the young people that are bringing a lot of this energy to the table on our issues now.
They've been a big part of this apparent cultural shift that has just flung the doors wide open.
The window is just wide open now from Europe to America and beyond for our ideas to proliferate.
And overcoming these obstacles and being able to pull these things off under such duress is truly an exhilarating feeling.
I mean, we've done that before and they've done it.
And it is, I can say, there was an event in 08 that was very similar to this and getting canceled that we put on.
We had about 500 people that were going to come and I think about 300 people still came.
And I remember having to just be on the phone.
Social media wasn't even nearly what it is now then.
And just being on the phone and just telling people the morning of, and it wasn't the best conference I pulled off in terms of everything going off without a hitch.
You know how I am.
But I still think that this day was the most rewarding one.
So yes.
Anyway, let's just go back to overcoming all that and the youth and the vigor of what you were experienced there.
Right, right.
It was so strong.
And it was a huge metapolitical victory, but it was also practically political as well.
I mean, you had, in terms of metapolitics, one of the main speakers was Eva Vlardinger-Broek from the Netherlands.
She's been on Tucker Carlson.
She grew in influence and popularity during the farmer protests.
And one of the things that she mentioned first in her speech is that this event, it sort of morphed from an event that was discussing the specifics of re-migration to an event that had a greater meaning about freedom of speech as well.
And in fact, it was covered so heavily in the media that even Matteo Salvini endorsed the ability of the organizers to continue to put the event on.
And so I have utmost respect and praise for the government of Italy now for asserting freedom of speech in their country.
And in fact, many Italian politicians went ahead and they submitted videos for the summit themselves, just short videos in support of our ability to talk about this issue publicly.
So even if people don't necessarily agree with the idea of re-migration, let's say, okay, they want to keep the migrants here, a lot of people and politicians still support the ability to talk about this openly.
And so huge metapolitical victory, both for freedom of speech, for the idea of re-migration, but then it was practically political too.
So we had several European parties present there.
There was Lena Kotra from the AFD, the alternative for Germany.
She's their re-migration spokesperson.
So this, again, for those unfamiliar, the AFD in Germany is the most popular polling party right now in Germany.
And they have a position dedicated to a spokesperson for re-migration.
I think that's incredible news.
We had someone representing the LEGA Party of Italy, the Nationalist Party in France, the National Party in Ireland, Forum for Democracy in the Netherlands, Chega in Portugal, of course.
And in the UK, we had a lot of people from the UK, but also Kenny Smith from the Homeland Party was there and presented too.
And then, like I said, there was myself and another American were also presenting.
And then next year, they're going to do it again.
We're already talking about Remigration Summit 2026.
It was such a huge success this time.
We're looking forward to really making it an event that I think could be on par with CPAC, frankly.
I mean, this is the issue that activates people.
So, I mean, we know that it's extremely popular in the U.S. 67% of white Americans want mass deportations.
And like we talked about before, Europe is facing a similar problem.
The organizers of the summit were European.
So this is the issue that activates people moving forward.
And with the young crew, the way that they were professional and all volunteers now, I mean, I have no doubts that 2026 and 2027 are going to go off beautifully.
I want to now read from Jared's public article on this that we referenced a moment ago.
And then I want to say something about Dries Van Langenhove and then circle back to something that I certainly have to ask you about.
But this again from Jared's piece at Amran.com.
Despite ferocious opposition from politicians, Antifa, and the media, the European Remigration Summit was a smashing success.
Speakers included some of the biggest names of European nationalism, and the audience of some 300 people was overwhelmingly young, enthusiastic, and by all appearances, deeply committed to the cause of our people and civilization.
Like so many nationalist events, this one had the original venue yanked just a few days beforehand, and organizers made a Herculean effort to find a replacement.
Since the site was only available in the morning, the afternoon plans were promptly rescheduled for the morning.
We met in a movie theater at some distance from the original site, but still in the suburbs of Milan, and it served its purpose admirably.
By the time the conference began, the theater was packed, despite the switch in both time and place.
Like other events held in the teeth of intense opposition, there was just a special thrill just being there, in addition to the joy of being in the company of so many comrades, at least two as far away as Australia.
Dries van Langenhove.
Now, he was at Amrin.
He and I both spoke at Amrin.
We were both speakers at Amrin in 2023.
And he came on our program last year during our march around the world.
I mean, this is a guy who was facing some hard prison time in addition to having his civil rights taken away, where he couldn't run for office for 10 years, all because he was in a chat group that someone had posted an offensive meme, and he just happened to be in the group.
And it was just really some of the most Orwellian and arbitrary.
I remember talking to Anka von dermersch about this and interviewing her about the treatment that he got.
Of course, we talked to Dries as well.
But this was what he said during his speech or what was reported by both Amrin and Countercurrent.
So the reason I bring up some of the trials he's been through is that even in spite of all that, not only did he still show up, he still led the event in part.
And this is what was going on.
First, we must deport all illegals, especially criminals, he said.
Close the borders, halt family reunification, offer financial incentives to self-deport.
In the second phase, we deport people in Europe legally but who commit crimes.
Stop renewing resident permits, tax remittances in Muslim mills and public schools.
The third phase will deal with citizens who are hostile to Europe.
They can't be deported, but they should be offered incentives to return and trained to fit into their own societies.
Remigration must be dignified, lawful, and peaceful, he said.
We have the means.
All we lack is the will.
All peoples have a right to a homeland, he noted.
Politicians who follow the people, and if, or rather, he said, politicians follow the people, and if enough people demand remigration, the politicians will have no choice.
Saying you already saw a little bit of that.
I'll circle back to that in just a second.
He concluded with advice that he received from Victor Orban.
First build a cadre of trustworthy people, then convince them that the change is within their grasp.
He ended with the chance of save our nation remigration, which was thunderously repeated by everyone in the audience.
Now, again, this is a guy who they had put his back up against the wall, going to prison.
He has a young family, not being able to vote, losing his place in the parliament.
And there he was on that stage at an event that was under so much attack and delivering a message like that, absolute steely resolve.
And once you reach that level of resolve, once an activist or once a group of people reach that level of resolve, Syed, I'm of the opinion that there's really nothing else that can be done.
If you overcome everything they throw at you and you still just come.
And it's very different than the so-called civil rights movement here where you had institutionalized support of that movement at all levels.
There is a very real risk here on our side.
But once you have that will to power, that energy, that stamina to overcome, I think it is just only a matter of time before it breaks.
I mean, you already saw a little tremor of that in just what you reported, that politicians in Italy were beginning to voice their support after the event was held and it was such a success or during the event, but certainly not necessarily before it.
Once something takes form in this way, politicians, culture, it all bends to the will of the people who are the most committed.
And I think that was actually a line that Doolittle was attributed to Doolittle in World War II.
Victory goes to those who believe in it the most and believe in it the longest.
And so we're going to believe.
So anyway, it's just all so inspiring to me.
Oh, it's exactly right.
I mean, I think our heroes are the best.
You said Dries has been facing these accusations for, I think it's seven or eight years now.
And Friday, the day before the conference, he was supposed to receive a judgment.
Now, this is kind of mysterious circumstances.
I think one of the judges who was supposed to be ruling on it suffered from some health issues.
So they actually postponed it by several months.
And, you know, I mean, we can be optimistic and say, oh, maybe they didn't want to release the ruling because we would either be overjoyed or it would activate us the other way.
I mean, we don't know why exactly that was the case.
But no, I think that the government has been spending millions in taxpayer dollars to look through everything.
All of his private chats, all of his private emails, all of his private photos, like family photos.
And still, the worst thing that they could find on it was a meme somebody else posted in a private group chat completely unrelated to his mother's money.
And that's what they went after.
That he went to the middle of the day.
It wasn't even his own content.
Right, right, right.
I mean, I think it just goes to show that, number one, we have the most honorable leaders on our side.
And also, I think something else that you illustrated here is that we're naturally drawn to these people and we're naturally drawn to nationalist ideals, high quality, nationalist and natural ideals.
And I think that we've been subjected to a massive PR campaign through civil rights.
And we realize through civil rights and to push mass migration.
Because every time the public is asked about whether or not they want more migration, we always say no.
And this has been true since they started polling for this in 1965.
I think we all know that in the U.S., the Heart Seller Act was only passed because we were promised that it would not affect the ethnic mix of the United States.
That was built on a lie.
And then, so, number one, it won't happen.
But then, when it does happen, you're supposed to think it's a good thing.
And how dare you speak out against it.
But I think the last few years have been really the last few years, we've seen a lot of progress generally because we saw a lot of censorship in 2017 after Charlottesville.
And then when we all went through COVID together in 2020, there were a lot of just average people who realized the media is lying to you because the media and social media was trying to cover up all kinds of things like vaccine reactions.
But now, since Musk bought Twitter, we have that voice again.
So I think we're going to see a lot of progress moving forward.
I absolutely agree.
We're already at the first half-hour break.
How did that happen?
When you're talking about things that excite you, time does fly.
We've got another half-hour just like it coming up next with Cyan Quinn.
Stay tuned.
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Please, I didn't send this to you.
Okay, well, I was going to come back with some audio, but we were too busy talking during the break.
But here's what I was actually going to play.
And then we'll toss it back to our guest, Cyan Quinn.
We were taking it right to the wall there.
But of course, Cyan Countercurrents, counter-currents.com.
She's the program director there.
And we're going to give you a lot more information about the White Papers Policy Institute before the end of this hour.
But first, let's take a listen here.
If I get this queued up here at the right level, and let's just see how this sounds.
I gave a speech in the Re-Migration Summit explaining our plan for re-migration, which is a plan in three phases, three target groups.
And it will take probably about 30 years to reconquer Europe and to re-establish our European cultural hegemony.
It's a very good plan, a very humane and moral plan, a plan that can be implemented to a great extent within the current legal framework.
So there doesn't have to be a revolution.
We can just interpret and use the current framework of laws that is already in place.
Europe belongs to the Europeans.
If you allow in the whole world, if you allow in the third world, eventually you'll become the third world.
Europe is a civilization built by Europeans and it should belong to Europeans.
We are perfectly moral and humane when we say that we want to make sure that the lands of our ancestors remain the lands of our descendants.
There's nothing weird or harsh about that.
All right, so that was, of course, as you know, Cyan, the aforementioned Dries Van Langenhove, former member of the parliament in Belgium, and who we've been talking about a little bit this hour.
It was a major part of the remigration summit that you just attended.
And again, he was facing sentencing this very week, and he's still coming out of talking like that.
Once you reach that level, once you reach that level, it's just a matter of time before the world bends to you.
And we have talked about some of these other speakers, and you are far, far, far too modest.
You mentioned in passing that you were also one of the premier featured speakers at this event.
I would love to hear what you talked about.
Thank you so much.
Yes.
Well, I mean, it was an honor.
It was a huge honor to share the stage with these people that I've been following for at least a decade now.
So I was incredibly humbled to be asked to participate.
One of the things that we just heard in that statement by Dries was that we came up with a plan and he put a 13-year time frame on it.
And that is exactly one of the things that we propose at the White Papers Policy Institute is we propose practical policy alternatives for remigration.
We have two fully fledged out plans available on our website, whitepaperspolicy.org, one for the U.S. and the other for the UK.
And we propose a timeline of about 12 years for each one of these.
And so when they were organizing the conference, our website is primarily data-driven.
There are so many other incredible outlets that persuade whites to take our own side in multicultural societies, whether that be Amrin, whether that be Countercurrents, whether that be VDARE.
But what we saw is that we've had such an incredible metapolitical victory that it's time for us now to translate that into political action and political victories.
When I first started following Countercurrents, Greg Johnson wrote an essay called Restoring White Homelands.
And in it, he illustrated some, you know, an outline of a few ways which we can slowly but surely increase the core white founding demographic of our countries and decrease the migrant demographic.
You know, if they came here, vast majority over the last two or three generations, they can also leave slowly and legally and humanely through offering incentives.
And that's one of the things that Dries just reflected in that clip that you played.
It's a humane process.
It's a legal process.
We can do it within the existing framework.
There's no need for a revolution, and there's especially no need for violence either.
So these are a couple of things that we outline in our work as just practical, humane policy proposals that favor the vitality of the core ethnic groups that created these Western countries that we live in.
So when they were organizing the conference, they came to me and said, hey, would you like to give a presentation on the economics of remigration?
Because we had worked out these proposals for the U.S. and the UK.
And we outlined, what we did was we debunked five of the top immigration myths.
So you hear things like, immigration increases the GDP and we won't be able to hire native workers, therefore we need migration.
These things are false.
And then we also presented these two platforms that include paid voluntary remigration.
And we showed how you can execute these programs and still make money.
So once you realize that this is something you said earlier, once you realize that something is actually practical and feasible, you know, again, we don't need a moral argument to preserve our own people.
That's a joy in and of itself.
But once you realize that you can do that and you can save money at the same time, and you can do it practically, legally, and legally, then that really activates people.
And that's when you see movement and that's when you see movement fast.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, you can certainly hear how well Cyan comes across as a presenter, as a great guest on the radio.
She comes across equally as well, if not even better, in person.
I have seen her on panels before, and I know you are a credit to this event, but yes, indeed, let's be sure to highlight the fact that you did not just attend, you did not just report on, you were part of the program and a big part of it.
Will the videos of this be posted anywhere?
Yes.
So we, the first video of Ava Vlardingbrook's speech is already up.
You can find that on Rumble.
Look up Remigration Summit 25 or ReSum 25.
It's also a lot of these are posted on your X account.
So go on X and look up Remigration Summit 25, also on Telegram.
I think mine is coming out shortly.
What I did is even though the video is not out, I actually had to rush you through a few of my slides because there was so much detail there.
And so towards the end, I said, I offered this to anyone.
Hey, if you want the full slide deck, if you want citations for all of these figures, please email me at the end.
And I put my email address up there, cyan at whitepaperspolicy.org.
And I got so many requests that I went ahead and published it.
You can find it on the site, whitepaperspolicy.org.
And it's also on our substack, white papers institute.substack.com.
The title is Remigration in Economy Facts versus Fiction.
And you can see the full slide deck there.
And then also the presentation is written out.
All the main bullet points are there.
And there's also links to all the citations and papers so that you can check the numbers for yourself.
All right.
Well, we will be sure to plug that again during the last minute of this hour.
And so I think by now, folks, you've gotten at least a pretty good idea of what was happening, why it was happening, how it was presented, and who some of the presenters are.
And we talked about just some of the great trials that the organizers, Martin Sellner and others, had to push forward through in order to see that this event happened.
But it was not just the organizers who had to go through some hardships, but also some of the attendees.
Now, I'll get to the ones that you know I'm about to mention, Cyan, in just a second.
But also, it just pays to have good relationships with people because you keep getting all this information.
And I got a nice email from Roger Devlin yesterday.
He was just sending me an unsolicited email with a nice report in its own right.
And I would read it now just as, well, it's just kind of fun.
He writes, hey, James, I thought I'd take the opportunity About of insomnia has provided me to share a couple of my misadventures.
A last-minute mishap resulting in my missing my original scheduled flight to Europe.
I was able to schedule a new flight from the New York City area, however, and bought an Amtrak ticket to get there.
Then at 8 p.m., the night before my departure, I received a notice via email that the New Jersey Amtrak workers just went on strike.
So I had to frantically rush to arrange a Greyhound bus ticket.
A three-hour bus journey actually took five hours.
I made the plane by the skin of my teeth and flew eight hours to Milan.
With no time left to check into my hotel, I simply took a taxi directly to the conference with all my travel bags and having not slept in 48 hours.
And he was there, and I know you saw him, Cyan, and that's what it took for him to get there.
But he writes that the audience was young, enthusiastic, and optimistic, and it really may prove to be an historical turning point.
The organizers have already announced that there will be another conference next year.
So this is Roger.
And I think it's important to share that attendees put a lot on the line to go to these events as well, too.
And they, even they have, I say even they, they too have this dogged determination to see it through.
And I just think that's just sort of like the energy that's just everywhere right now in our ranks.
That certainly I've been doing this my entire adult life and I just haven't seen it quite like this before.
But to hear Roger Devlin, who's such a movement veteran, say that this conference could perhaps prove to be a historical turning point.
I mean, that's high praise from a guy who's been around.
That's right.
That's right.
I absolutely adore Roger.
I had no idea that it took that much effort to get there.
And I'm so glad that he was there because, you know, one of the tips that they give you, I think this is my first public presentation in a very long time.
And so I was really nervous leading up to it.
But one of the tips that they give you is as a public speaker to feel relaxed and more natural.
You want to pick out people in the audience and talk to them.
And so I saw Roger, and so I gave this presentation to Roger, mostly Roger and Kenny of the Kenny Smith of the Homeland Party.
I could pick them out in the crowd.
So I was really grateful that Roger was there.
It was huge encouragement.
Yes.
So, but now, as much as Roger had to go through to get there, there were some people who went through even more, and that was this contingent of German attendees.
So it's been apparently widely reported that a number of Germans who had been planning to attend the conference were stopped before they could board their plane.
The German authorities justified this extraordinary act of repression by saying it would be bad for the country's reputation if citizens were allowed to attend a conference on remigration.
So these Germans were ordered to remain in the country and report several times a day to the authorities to prove that they in fact did not go to the conference.
And then to everyone's astonishment, I believe this is Jared's report here, Jared reporting I'm reading from, those very Germans, those very Germans managed to elude the authorities and attended the summit.
When they appeared on stage, it was to wild applause.
How did they manage to do it?
They said only in words directed to the German authorities, quote, all your high-tech intelligence is nothing against our determination.
We are proof every day that what we are doing is the right thing for our people.
Cyan, that is absolutely incredible.
You have them forbidden to board a plane and then demanded, it is demanded of them that they report to officers to prove that they are not traveling.
They blew it off, went to the conference anyway, appeared on stage and spoke to the authorities that directly.
Something is changing.
something has changed.
Oh, it's unbelievable that Germany would block its own citizens from leaving.
I mean, so much to write to leave and to come and go as you please.
So much for law-abiding Germans there.
But they'll block, or rather, they'll allow in relatively unvetted refugees who are going to plow through your Christmas markets, and yet they want to allow their own law-abiding citizens to go to attend a peaceful summit to discuss legal and humane options for remigration.
It's totally nuts.
One part of the, one of my favorite parts of the event was when Martin Sellner called them all up on stage to recount their experience, and one of the activists said, okay, gave a list of the things that authorities took out of their luggage to prove that they were extremists.
You know, one of them was just a bucket hat.
I guess maybe that's some Zoomer thing.
Another was a sweater with just airplanes on it.
It's just an airplane sweater.
And so he gave, the activists gave the sweater to Martin Sellner as a gift, which was very touching.
And yeah, this kind of repression is nuts.
But at the end of the day, I think, you know, the publicity surrounding everybody spoke up in support of these people.
You know, again, like I said earlier in the show, the AFD, a party in Germany that has a spokesperson for remigration, is the most popular polling party right now in Germany.
I don't think they can repress this.
I think that it's our time now.
That's actually going to be a tagline I'm going to begin to use.
It's our time now.
And again, you just see this defiance.
I believe this was your colleague at Countercurrents, Angelo Plume, who wrote in his report on the event, which you can again find at counter-currents.com, the Indomitable Spirit, the Indomitable European Spirit, he writes, was a real theme of this whole event.
A genuinely euphoric moment came when the six Germans who were detained by the Germans' state took to the stage in a surprise act of defiance.
And this is another quote.
You can keep trying to repress us.
We don't care.
Remigration will win.
And then from there, Angelo Plume goes on to write, we've touched on this three or four times now.
But everybody is talking about it.
Everybody is commenting on it.
How young the crowd was.
Not just young, but attractive, fit, well-dressed.
Angelo writes, there were no slouches, slobs, or disgenic freaks.
It was a gathering of 300 fashionable and fit people who want a change for the better for once.
And one of the people he mentions, let's go back to her very quickly.
You mentioned not being able to pronounce or perhaps not pronouncing exactly 100% the Frenchman's name.
I sure can't pronounce Ava's name, so I'm going to let you do that again for us.
Okay, I might even be butchering it.
I don't want to get in trouble.
Ava Vlardingirbrueck.
So this is Angelo Plume.
I can't pronounce it.
Three-letter first name, 57-letter last name.
But anybody who knows her will know who we're talking about.
And it's one that Angelo directs some attention to because he writes this for countercurrents.
Speaker who arguably best embodies breaking the shackles of a bog standard is this civic nationalist Eva, who was arguably one of the summit's highest profile figures, having shared the stage with heads of states like Victor Orban.
At one point in her speech, she said bluntly and firmly, quote, civic nationalism does not work, end quote.
Angelo Plum continues in his assessment that this is nothing short of astonishing when one considers that she used to be a part of the Prager U, a civic nationalist organization here in the United States, if there ever was one.
Other statements she made without equivocation, quote, the great replacement is real.
Closing the border is not enough.
Europe was always an entirely white continent, and it is not unethical to want that Europe stays European.
So this is someone who came from that civic nationalist background.
And as I was telling you during the break, no matter if you're on our side, it doesn't matter if you've been around for a long time, if you came over through civic nationalist channels, or if you're just becoming involved, it seems as though everyone is emboldened and everybody is upping their game and becoming a little more forceful, a little more confident, no matter who they are and how long they've been apart.
But you really like to see things like this.
You really like to see people like that who came from that port of entry now at a stage like this saying things like that.
Things are moving in that direction, Cyan.
That's exactly right.
I really, really like Ava quite a lot.
I think she's a beautiful person inside and out.
And I think that it shows a lot of courage and intellectual honesty to go ahead and take that step despite the social sanctions.
So I think it's huge.
And I'm so, so grateful for it.
You've reminded me, I think we may be remiss to mention this, of the changes happening in the amazing changes happening in the United States right now with the new Trump administration.
I think it was today or this morning that Marco Rubio, he was challenged on the Senate floor by Tim Kaine about prioritizing the Afrikaner refugees.
Tim Kaine was blasting him because he said, oh, you have shut down effectively the refugee program in the United States, but you're prioritizing these Afrikaners who are white.
And Rubio's response was good.
And again, this is Marco Rubio, who years ago was definitely, oh, I'm an immigrant.
I'm a immigrant descendant myself.
But he said, U.S. refugee policy is not a charity.
We prioritize people who come into this country based on the interest of this country.
And I think every step is good.
Exactly.
You are right on target.
I said that just last week.
I mentioned this a couple of times over the last several weeks or months since the inauguration.
But yes, you have Marco Rubio, the Rubio that we came to know in 2016.
Now he's like Teddy Roosevelt.
And I don't think, I mean, you can say that that's an insincere, you can say it's an insincere transformation.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
But I said this in my Anrin speech two years ago.
I said, you are going to see more and more of this.
As our tide begins to ride, more people are going to come over and have always been true believers.
And you don't, listen, I mean, you know, people like you and I and our friends, we have inflexible beliefs.
And whether we live or die with them, we're never going to move from them.
But most people, it's just a flaw in the human condition, are just programmed to support what's popular, trendy, and in vogue.
And I always said victory was never as far away.
Change, at least, wasn't as far away as it may appear.
That once it happens, it's going to start accelerating.
And I think that's where we're at right now.
I think we're sort of in this, we're in this current that is beginning to pick up some speed.
And you're seeing people like Rubio and Trust Rubio.
Could you trust Rubio if the tides turn?
Probably not.
But in a way, in a way, it doesn't really matter.
We would prefer him to be true believers.
We would prefer all of these people to have been with us 20 years ago.
But in a way, it doesn't matter because they are doing our bidding by and large.
And so for that, it's better than the alternative.
You can never read people's minds.
And, you know, if we give them the least charitable interpretation, you know, we could say that even grifters realize that if they want to grift, they have to use our talking points because we are winning over the Western public.
That is exactly what we're doing.
One last thing I want to mention before.
I need to mention this before we run out of time.
But one thing that I think is a really positive development is Trump's proposal to offer the $1,000 cash stipend for people to self-deport.
I think this is a massive shift in creative thinking in the United States.
It's not just immigration enforcement anymore, but it's practically thinking about the economics and the cost savings of deporting these people and encouraging self-deportations and voluntary repatriation.
It's a huge cost savings to go from the $17,000-ish that it costs to forcibly deport someone to the approximated $4,500 that it would cost in total to cover someone's self-deportation costs and including the stipend.
You know what?
If people are going to do it for $1,000, what are even, let's say, legal integrated immigrants going to do if we offer them something like $72,000?
There are already huge segments of the minority ethnic group population in the United States and the UK who would take these proposals.
We know 66% of minorities aged 18 to 64 in the United Kingdom would relocate if given the means to do so.
We know in the United States that during Operation Wetback, half of the people who were deported did so voluntarily.
And we know now that almost half, 45 to 51% of those with non-Western origin in the United States, legal or illegal, would take a voluntary paid repatriation payment.
Guys, the tides are changing.
People are thinking more creatively.
This is a huge step in the right direction, and I totally endorse it.
And you pay these people to leave and you're saving money because that's going to be a drop in the bucket compared to what they're going to suck up in social services over the course of God knows how many years or a lifetime they stay here.
Cyan, I wanted to spend an entire segment talking with you about the good work you're doing with the White Papers Institute.
But since we didn't get to that, it gives me a wonderful reason to bring you back on very soon.
But please give us the website.
Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Come on down to whitepaperspolicy.org or follow us on Substack, whitepapersinstitute.substack.com.
Thank you so much for having me on.
Talk to you again very soon.
It's just encouraging.
All these things are happening, overlapping, conferences happening.
People can't even go to all of them now because they are beginning to pop up all around the world.
There's too many.
And that will continue to grow and proliferate.
Cyan, thank you so much for that report from Italy and for having been there and for spoken speaking there.
We'll talk to you again very soon.
Thank you.
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