Dec. 14, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
54:43
20241214_Hour_3
|
Time
Text
You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
And in Atlanta, Georgia, there's peace on earth tonight.
Christmas in Dixie.
It's snowing in the pines.
Merry Christmas from Dixie to everyone tonight.
Well, amen to that.
Absolutely.
Welcome back to the third and final hour of tonight's live broadcast, December the 14th.
We are now back with a man who will forever be linked to the defense of Southern Monuments, Jason Kessler, author of the book that we want you to get.
So many of you at our 20th anniversary conference did get it.
Charlottesville and the death of free speech.
Jason was there to autograph those for the attendees, and it is now available at dissident.press, dissident.p-R-E-S-S.
You can buy it now and beat the Christmas rush.
Hey, listen, you might still get it before Christmas, depending on how your post office runs, and it'll fit inside a stocking, and Jason will even sign it for you at dissident.press.
Jason, welcome back to the program.
Great to have you tonight.
Hey, thanks for having me back.
Merry Christmas.
Well, Merry Christmas to you too, my friend.
And it's been a good year together.
It just, again, in that last segment of the last hour, just dawned on me that we were all together in South Carolina earlier this year and now again together tonight at the end of the year.
And lots happened since May with that.
A lot of paws to happen.
So how are you seeing things?
I want to talk to you tonight, Jason, about the Daniel Penny acquittal.
I want to talk to you about the assassination of the United Healthcare CEO.
But let's first just ask you, generally, what's your disposition now as we head into the next Trump administration?
Anticipatory.
You know, the moment is pregnant with a lot of possibilities, and we're all just waiting for the new year for Trump to get sworn in to find out what's going to happen.
Well, there's no doubt about that.
But again, yes, anticipatory is a good way to put it.
And then you look at things that are taking place around us and you try to just sort of place these pieces into the puzzle.
You had some great reaction.
There are a few websites that I visit every day, and there are even fewer social media accounts that I visit every day.
But Jason, yours is among those precious few.
And I always enjoy your takes.
They are raw.
They are real.
Are transparent and it's really great.
I follow you on Telegram and would encourage folks to do the same.
You had some comments, obviously, and some thoughts, as we all did on the Daniel Penny acquittal.
Let's start there.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't really comment too much until after the verdict was in, but I did make a comment on Twitter that I was pretty sure he was going to be acquitted.
I think there were some things that you could look at.
All of these cases are not really about whether the person has quote-unquote murdered somebody.
It's always about whether the person is a racist.
And so, from that perspective, I just think that there were some pieces of evidence that were going to make it hard to convict him, even in New York City.
Mainly, just that, you know, this crazy black Michael Jackson impersonator, Jordan Neely, you know, he was screaming and threatening people, but not just white people.
There were non-whites on that subway, obviously, since it's New York City.
And there were videos going around of these witnesses saying, Thank God this guy was there.
So I think that, you know, with these juries, you have a very sticky situation because you might think that, well, all the white people are going to be on my side, but some of the white liberals are going to be the worst ones for you.
And if you can divide the jury on whether the person is actually a quote-unquote racist, you might get some blacks who are like, you know, basically not going to identify with Neely and see themselves as a population that's victimized by people like Neely.
Brad Griffin, who was on in the previous hour before you, Jason, wrote, Not Guilty, a vibe shift in New York, a victory for the good guys, unambiguously great news.
The fact is that anti-whites are left sputtering in rage is the icing on the cake.
The thread that connects Darren Wilson, Derek Chauvin, Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny, Douglas McKay, Trump himself, Trump's inner circle, and everyone who got railroaded over Charlottesville and January 6th is the justice system of Blue America.
There is a meaningful difference, but now even New York City, to an extent, is swinging to the right, Keith.
Yeah, they're falling finally.
The great fallout.
I believe that New York, if New York can let a person go who's accused of racism, then, you know, anything's possible.
Do you think, Jason, that they expected, and we're going to play a couple of clips here from self-described BLM advocates that I think are going to be shocking.
Well, perhaps not shocking, but I think you need to be reminded exactly how these people think and how they feel and how violent and how unhinged they are.
But perhaps they thought this would be another, what was it?
I honestly can't think of his name.
Oh, my God.
The guy that died in George Floyd.
All right.
I think that another.
Do you think that they thought that this would be another George Floyd incident that they could cash in on?
And why was it not?
Because I think if this happened a few years ago, it would have been.
Maybe the people in Minnesota are crazier than the people in New York.
They certainly wanted it to be.
And you could see that some of the dedicated black activists like Hawk Newsome, who is the head of BLM New York, and he was actually at Charlottesville and he was violent at Charlottesville.
But now he's out there calling for black vigilanteism in the streets against white people.
But they didn't really get a reaction.
And I think that, like I said, I think that even the black community is probably a little bit divided on this since there were black people who were cowering in fear of this deranged lunatic and the white man.
And a black man helped Mr. Penny subdue Jordan Neely.
Right, right.
So this, I don't think that they could really paint this as a total racial issue.
Now, if Daniel Penney had been on Twitter or something, you know, engaging in racially provocative language, we would have had a totally different situation because they would have, you know, framed it as this is a racist white man who was looking for his opportunity to get a black guy, which is what Hawk Newsom and all these people were trying to claim.
But I also think that there's a fatigue on the left right now.
We're seeing that they're really demoralized, even worse than they were in 2016 when Trump got elected.
I think that they've thrown everything that they could at Trump and what they see as a white awakening for the last eight years or so, and they just, they feel worn down.
Let's listen.
What should we do now?
Let me ask you this.
Should Trump come in and start prosecuting them or not?
Yeah, I mean, I think Trump should utilize power.
I think that that's been the weakness of the Republicans is that they're afraid to use power.
They feel ashamed of it.
And that's part of the moral weapon of the left is saying that, well, the right is, you know, they're dictators in waiting.
They use their power all the time.
When in reality, it's the left who are going after their political enemies, inventing new laws and reinterpreting laws in the way that they've gone after people like Augustus Invictus and the way that they've gone after Donald Trump and on and on.
many other people like that i think that's good for the goose is good for the gander What Trump does is different than what we should do.
What I'm concerned about is that we're going to rest on our laurels and just say, well, Trump is going to take care of everything.
And I think people who are dedicated pro-white activists have to demand better than that and have some agency to do things independently of whatever Trump is doing.
Agree 100%.
And when we come back, we're going to play a couple of clips from BLM activists, including the aforementioned Hank Newsom.
Now, in response to this Daniel Penny verdict, you had, what is your, I don't want to say relation, but you know who Hawk Newsome is, and he was playing a role in Charlottesville.
What was that, Jason?
Well, he was one of the organizers of Black Lives Matter.
He was attacking people with a stick, but he had a really interesting interview after the rally where he said that he'd never seen the police stand down.
He felt like they wanted the people to fight.
Interesting.
Hold on right there, my friend.
Hold on right there.
We got to take a quick break.
When we're at the break, if you're listening at home and not in the car, dissident.press.
Dissident.press.
Jason Kessler's book will be right.
Marxists are the sworn enemy of Western civilization.
Karl Marx crafted his communist ideology with the genocidal goal of destroying the European peoples.
Key concepts of communism are atheism and materialism, that God and spirit do not exist.
Germany was smashed at the end of World War II, and communism emerged triumphant.
By controlling the political system, courts, mass media, educational system, and entertainment industries, Marxists have imposed a tyrannical, top-down agenda of globalism and immoralization on the West.
The results are open borders, rampant crime, institutionalized corruption, sexual perversion, the destruction of the middle class, concentration of wealth, aimless youth with no purpose in life, and the hollowing out of Christianity.
But Kyle McDermott's book, The Declaration of White Independence, demonstrates how we can unshackle our people from the communist ideology and obliterate atheism and materialism.
The Declaration of White Independence is available at Dixie Republic.
For more information, go to DixieRepublic.com.
Get your copy of Kyle McDermott's Declaration of White Independence at DixieRepublic.com.
I believe there will come a time when we are all judged on whether or not we took a stand in defense of all life from the moment of conception until our last natural breath.
As a teenager, I gave my first public speech in my church.
My hand shook, my heart pounded.
I thought to myself, I can't do this, but somehow I did.
And because I wanted to talk about things that were important, I persisted.
I chided my church as a senior in high school for not seeming to care about the not yet born, for looking the other way and for not taking a stand on life.
I will be in earnest.
I will not equivocate and I will not excuse.
I will not retreat an inch and I will be heard.
One thing I promise you, I will always take a stand for life.
Our daddy looked a lot like him.
It's not the way I had him pictured.
Santa was so much too thin.
He didn't come down the chimney.
So mama must have let him in.
Santa looked a lot like Daddy.
Our daddy looked a lot like him.
Welcome back, everybody.
Jason Kessler with us this third and final hour for the full hour.
It's always good to talk with Jason.
I like talking with people who have been tempered by the fire, people who have walked through it, people who have come back stronger on the other side.
I mean, Jason, listen.
I mean, Jason, I say this every time you're on, Jason, I guess, but we have a lot of great people on.
He took a look and he kept on taking it.
Well, I mean, this is one of the guys that's going to be in the history books that is in the history books.
I mean, Charlottesville, I mean, by myth or legend or whatever, has been something that has transcended time and space.
And so he wrote the Bible about it, too, by the way.
And I mean with incredible photos and QR codes where you can do deep dives.
And it's all in his book, Charlottesville and the Death of Free Speech.
You can get it at dissident.press.
And Jason, I fondly remember you at that table in the back of the room at our 20th anniversary conference earlier this year, signing those.
And I just got to tell you, I'm glad you were there.
Yeah, it was a great conference.
I mean, I think everybody's going to have memories of that for the rest of their lives.
Good to be Alexander, too, right?
Yeah, we're all out of jail.
Yeah, anybody that's not in jail, it could have been any of us.
People have gone to jail for less, that's for sure.
And hopefully some of those people will get back.
You know, we were talking about that Richard Barnett, who was a volunteer firefighter who was the man who put his feet on Pelosi's desk, and he's doing like life in prison for it.
We talked to him.
We talked to him on the phone, privately, and on the air.
And hopefully he'll be one of those that are acquitted.
But we were talking with you, Jason, about Hawk Newsom.
And this is what he had to say in response to Daniel Penny's acquittal.
Now, we're talking with Jason tonight about the acquittal and about the assassination of Brian Thompson of United Healthcare.
We'll get to that in the last half of this hour.
But let's listen to what, well, again, these advocates of tolerance and diversity have to say.
This is Hawk Newsome, a BLM leader.
Just like everybody else has vigilantes, we need some black vigilantes.
That's right.
People want to jump up and choke us and kill us for being loud.
How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us?
I'm tired.
Tired.
I know you're looking for us to be like, oh, go and march.
Go and march.
No.
This weekend, I want you to hold a community event everywhere from the Bronx to Houston to Seattle to Florida.
Black people whole community events.
Talk about what you need.
All right, so here he is.
This so-called BLM spokesman calling for black vigilantes.
And this is not on somebody's secretly recorded video.
This is on ABC News.
This is ABC News.
And he's calling for this.
And you look at it and you see how utterly absurd and criminal it is.
But it's no more absurd than it was, Jason, seven years ago at Charlottesville.
These people.
These people were always this.
This is all they ever will be.
And your response to this call for black vigilantes.
I mean, it's just more of the same from these people.
I really didn't know until I started reading my history this year about how even back in the 1960s, the Black Panthers were coming out, you know, before the DNC riots in 1968 and saying, you know, like if you get a chance to cap a cop, then shoot, shoot, shoot the pig.
And, you know, even then, a lot of these radical leftists and Jewish activists were claiming blacks being shot by racist cops as a reason to, you know, incite the crowd outside of that riot at the DNC in Chicago.
So nothing new under the sun.
Yeah.
Well, Jason, you're right about that.
And that's been one of the privileges.
And I mean an honor that we have had on this program to be able to talk to people on this show live on the air as we were doing with you tonight when we interviewed Drew Lackey, who is the officer who arrested Rosa Parks.
And he wrote a book, Another View of the Civil Rights Movement, documented.
I mean, what you're seeing now from people like Hawk Newsom is no different than what it was in the 60s.
And he wrote a book about it.
But of course, that has been suppressed.
And he was the chief of police of Montgomery, Alabama.
We've talked to George Wallace's son on this radio program.
A totally different reality is so totally different than the narrative.
And so oftentimes, but let's listen to one more response from, this is also carried by ABC News.
This is an ABC News live broadcast.
Let's listen to this, Jason, and get your response.
Because to be real, they didn't even try.
Once the lesser charge was removed, they came back an hour later and said it was deadlock.
Less than an hour and 20 minutes later, they said not guilty.
These wonderful white people, I hope they celebrate their Christmas while the Neely family is praying and asking God for comfort.
God damn them in goddamn America.
This is no different than the people that opposed you in Charlottesville, Jason.
I don't know why they're getting it now.
They didn't get it then, but how would you reconcile that?
Like I said, I think that people are just demoralized on the left right now, and they're saving their energy.
They want to see what's going to happen with the deportations.
And I think that's when you're really going to see the left engage again.
I think that they're still in shock.
They're depressed.
Yeah.
And they just don't have it in them right now.
But that doesn't mean that we should be complacent.
There's no way that these people are not waking up at any point during the next four years.
They will wake up and they will bring death and destruction.
What type of reaction will they get from the news media and from the left?
Are they going to be embraced or not?
I mean, they're mostly going to be embraced, but I think that the political winds have shifted quite a bit where people are fed up with this stuff.
And also, you know, there's a little bit more division in the left-wing multiracial coalition because a lot of these people, these blacks and so forth, they rely on Jewish power to give them, you know, their money and their organization and so forth.
And so a lot of these blacks and other non-whites have been, you know, cheering in support of the Palestinians.
So there's been a little bit of a falling out between some of these radical Jewish activists and some of the non-whites that I think is going to limit the glowing coverage they're going to get in the media.
I think that's really a good take on that.
And that's something for us to hope for.
If we can put a fissure between Jews and blacks in the left, that will be probably the best thing that could happen out of all this.
Do you think, Jason, that this verdict would have been handed down?
I mean, in New York City, of all places, do you think that this would have been handed down five, six years ago?
I mean, even in the time of George Floyd?
I wonder if there are any Jews on that jury.
But do you think that this would have, do you think it's a sign of the times?
Or again, I mean, as you mentioned, I mean, this was a man who was going on the subway and lunging at women and their infant age children and saying someone's going to die here.
I mean, I guess, you know, at some point, the circumstances were just so heavily against the narrative that it just had to break through.
But again, just one final thought from you on all of that.
I think that Daniel Penney was an exceptional defendant.
And this is a case that normally wouldn't have been brought if you didn't have such a radicalized GA and Alvin Bragg, you know, this racist black man.
But yeah, I mean, Daniel Penny, he's a clean-cut guy, a military veteran.
He never from central casting.
Yeah, yeah, he was a perfect defendant.
And most people wouldn't be like that when you think about like the Ahmad Arbery thing.
And that guy was, you know, hanging around construction sites and possibly stealing things.
And he got into a fight and got shot.
And after the fact, they went and looked through the McMichaels.
Those were the defendants and tried to find any evidence that they were racist or whatever.
And once they found some people to say, well, they said something racist against black people, that was it.
Those men, their lives were over.
And so I think that it's just that one variable.
Are you young enough that you haven't said anything publicly that will get you lynched as a white man?
And what will happen with Donald Trump?
Will Donald Trump pardon the McMahon's?
I don't think that happening.
I don't think the J6 people, if we're lucky, probably not the ones who got in fights with cops, but all the others.
I think Trump will do some good things.
He's going to be better than Biden, certainly.
We probably will get a slowdown in the illegal immigration.
We'll probably get some deportations.
His main benefit for us has always been that he's changing the narrative in the Overton window.
And the common people are being energized by him for, you know, they're being radicalized.
And that's a good thing because they're not going to survive if they're not radicalized.
Well, this is a very key moment.
This is a watershed moment, I think.
Well, I mean, sometimes it's the luck of the draw with a jury.
As we've mentioned, we've mentioned Chauvin, the McMichaels, Penny, and others.
Well, I mean, all of it, though.
I mean, yeah, I mean, feels, I mean, you could make a case.
I mean, for all of them, you know, guilty, innocent.
It's a knife's edge.
But, I mean, you're saying, Jason, and I don't think I disagree that if they had found one trace of some, even if it's completely honest, racially charged comment on his social media, that this could have gone a whole different direction.
Yeah, the left is still in charge and formidable, and we never need to forget that.
Yeah, I mean, here are things, Jason.
We've got about 15 seconds to go before we take the break.
If you're a racially aware white person, you're not safe in a left-wing city.
You have to get out.
Your life is in danger.
Your freedom is a danger.
That is a perfect way to take Paul seriously.
Head to the hill.
We'll be right back with Jason Kespo.
Don't have very many black people in the hills.
Dissident.press.
Exposing corruption.
Informing citizens.
Pursuing liberty.
You're listening to Liberty News Radio.
If your approach to everyday aches and pains is to mask them, you know, feel better for a few hours only to have the pain return and then repeat the cycle all over again.
It's time to try Relief Actor.
And the good news is Relief Actor makes that easy.
Their three-week quick start is just $19.95.
Less than a dollar a day.
Instead of masking pain, Relief Actor helps eliminate it.
How?
Well, its unique formula of ingredients helps support your body's response to inflammation.
Relief Actor was developed by doctors.
It's 100% drug-free.
And for so many people, the results are game-changing, even life-changing.
So give it a try.
Right now, their three-week quick start is just $19.95.
Go to ReliefFactor.com or call 1-800 for Relief.
That's 1-800, the number for relief.
See how in a few weeks or even days, Relief Actor can reduce your pain.
When you feel better, life is just better.
So don't mask pain.
Fight it naturally with Relief Actor.
The World Bank forecasts that Myanmar's economy will contract this year as flooding and fighting take a severe toll nearly four years after the military ousted its government headed by Aung Sun Su Kyi.
The bank said about a fifth of all built structures and a tenth of Myanmar's roads have been damaged by widespread flooding during a typhoon that swept through the country in September.
It said fighting between the military and opposition forces remains fierce in some parts of the country, disrupting farming and manufacturing.
Overall, it said the economy will likely contract 1% in annual terms in the second quarter of 2025.
Bob Agner reporting.
Members of Venezuela's political opposition who have been sheltering for months in the Argentine diplomatic compound in the capital Caracas are trying to grow a sense of urgency among the governments working to secure their safe departure from their home country.
News and analysis at townhall.com.
There's been another impeachment vote to remove South Korea's president.
With 204 votes in favor, South Korea's parliament has impeached President Yoon Suk-yul over his stunning and short-lived martial law decree.
Yoon's presidential powers and duties are now temporarily suspended.
Prime Minister Handuk Su is taking over.
Outside parliament, crowds roar and wave glow sticks, celebrating another defiant moment.
South Korea's Constitutional Court now has up to 180 days to dismiss UN as president or restore his power.
I'm Amy Montgomery.
Despite two weeks of UN-sponsored talks in Saudi Arabia's Riyadh, the participating 197 nations failed to agree on a plan to deal with global droughts made longer and more severe by a warming client.
More on these stories at townhall.com.
Find your inner rebel at Dixie Republic, the world's largest Confederate store, located in Traveler's Rest, South Carolina.
The anti-white, anti-Christ, anti-Southern world ends at the asphalt.
Welcome to God's Country.
Log on to DixieRepublic.com to view our Southern merchandise from flags to T-shirts to artwork.
At the store, browse through our extensive collection of belt buckles and have a custom-made leather belt handcrafted in our Johnny Revs gun and leather shop.
That's DixieRepublic.com where you can meet all of your Southern needs.
While you're waiting, drop by our Confederate corner for a free cup of coffee and good conversation.
Remember, there are no strangers here, just friends who haven't met yet.
Dixie Republic, we're not just a roadside attraction, we're a destination for our people.
For more information, visit DixieRepublic.com.
Hey there, TPC family.
This is James Edwards, your host of the Political Cesspool.
Folks, I want you to subscribe to the American Free Press, America's last real newspaper.
Against all odds, AFP has and continues to publish a populist, independent print newspaper with an unparalleled track record.
Founded by a dedicated group of experienced patriots, AFP pulls no punches and tackles the most controversial and pressing issues facing America from an America-first perspective.
I've worked with the American Free Press since even before the beginning of TPC.
Now that's something.
You can subscribe to the print edition by visiting AmericanFreePress.net today or simply pick up a handy digital edition subscription.
However, you do it, subscribe to the American Free Press, America's last real newspaper, by visiting AmericanFreePress.net or by calling 188-699 News, AmericanFreePress.net.
Santa Claus is coming to them.
Santa Claus is coming to them.
You better watch up.
Better not pray APAT telling you why Santa Claus is calling.
Santa Claus is coming to them.
Well, it doesn't get any better than that.
And I know we lost our guest there for a second.
Liz, do you have him back now?
I see him on the IPDTL.
Okay.
Keith, in the interim, hold serve.
Well, I think we're going to transition from the Daniel Penny verdict to the assassination of Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare.
But you can bridge that gap however you will while I help our producer Liz.
Well, I think there are a lot of people that are sympathetic with somebody taking revenge on an insurance executive who has to be responsible ultimately for using artificial intelligence in a way that 95% of the claims that are turned into United Healthcare are turned down.
I heard that.
I couldn't believe it.
If it's true, it's something else.
And I can understand why there's so much disaffection.
All right.
We have Jason back with us now.
Jason, so the conversation shifts from the Daniel Penny verdict, which I think we can all celebrate for, I mean, not because we were rooting for him necessarily, just because justice was served.
What you said was just right on point that basically don't take false hope from this.
If you live in a black or a majority black city and you're a white activist, you better have nothing on you any stronger than one of those burner type of disablers.
No deadly force, because if you wind up killing somebody, you're going to spend the rest of your life.
Well, if they'd have found one comment on social media for Daniel Penny that they didn't like, it could have gone a totally different way.
But anyway, that being said, let's shift gears now, Jason, to the assassination of Brian Thompson, the United Health CEO.
I laughed when I read your tongue-in-cheek comments on Telegram.
He might have gotten away with it, but he made a few mistakes.
Number one, he checked into a hostel with security cams instead of an Airbnb.
Number two, lowered his mask to flirt.
Number three, didn't discard the fake ID and gun he used in the assassination.
And number four, pulled down his mask to eat a McRib instead of ordering his head.
I think he wanted to be caught so he could make a political moment out of it.
What is really going on here?
Because this is a very odd story when you have this Ivy League-educated guy that would seemingly have seemingly have the world as his oyster.
What do you make of this, Jason?
This is a very interesting story.
Nope, we lost him again.
I see.
Okay, now he's back.
Maybe we need to get him on the cell.
All right.
We'll let our producer sensitive about it.
That's why we do these things live.
Right.
And we're showing just how live we are.
All right.
We'll let our producer work through that.
Give me a moment again to promote the website dissident.press.
This is, well, again, it recounts the full true story of what happened.
Liz, I sent that number to you in the back channel if you need to get Jason on this cell.
The full true story of what happened at the 2017 United Right rally in Charlottesville from the pen of the man himself, the man who organized it, Jason Kessler.
Dissident jail for it.
No, he didn't go to jail, but well, he did briefly, I think.
No, he wasn't arrested.
No, Just no, a lot of other people were, but dissident.press.
Jason, are you back with us?
Yes, I'm here.
All right, there you are.
So I laughed as I read your, he could have gotten away with it had it not been for checked into the hostel with security cams instead of an Airbnb, lowered his mask to flirt, didn't discard the fake ID and gun he used in the assassination.
Did he want to be caught?
And is this like a political?
Pulled the mask down to eat that McRib in, although those are good, and they only come out for a certain period each year.
They're in Altoona.
This is an interesting story because this is this Ivy League grad.
He seemingly has the world as his oyster.
What do you make of it, Jason?
Well, I mean, I think that he was planning to get caught.
That's why he had the manifesto on him.
That's why he didn't get rid of the gun.
Now that he's actually been caught, it seems like he's actually going with a defense strategy of pleading not guilty and claiming that it wasn't him.
But I think that he actually could have gotten away with it if he'd just been a little bit smarter because he basically did a pretty good job tactically.
I mean, he accomplished his objective from a propagandistic standpoint.
It seems like a lot of people on both the left and the right have defended him because they're also disillusioned with the U.S. healthcare system, healthcare system, and with the well, apparently, because of this injury, he couldn't have sex.
That's something that I noticed.
I mean, you've heard all kinds of things.
Who knows what's true about that, but he may not have been.
Jason, are you on speaker?
It sounds very faint and distant.
But I mean, I know he was on a lot of internet sites and everything, but a random McDonald's guy recognized him with the mask, you know, could he?
That stuff is making sense.
I think that there may have been some kind of tracking technology that the U.S. government doesn't want us to know about.
Hold on right there, my friend.
Something's coming in very faint and distant.
I don't know.
I'm getting a message from our producer.
Can we call you straight on your cell?
Just straight on yourself?
I think it was.
I was saying that basically he could have gotten away with it if he had just been a little bit more careful.
Yeah, but I don't necessarily trust that he was recognized by the McDonald's worker the way that they say.
I mean, maybe so.
And I'm really not a conspiracy guy, but he had the mask on.
I mean, he's not a celebrity that some random McDonald's worker is going to be queued in enough to recognize the guy's eyes.
Yeah.
I don't know.
There may have been some kind of tracking or surveillance technology employed here that the government doesn't want us to know about.
Well, let's talk about this.
No, I agree.
I mean, all of that seemed just a little bit too convenient, too good to be true.
But again, you have this guy who could have had anything.
It could have been anything with his background.
He comes from a very wealthy family, Ivy League education.
So what would cause him to snap over the injustice of these faceless corporations who are taking advantage of the poor and downtrodden?
It just doesn't really...
Well, it's easy.
It's easy because he wasn't able to have sex.
It doesn't really add.
I don't even know if that's true, but it doesn't really add up.
None of it really adds up.
Well, I think trying to read the mind of somebody who's murdered somebody, a complete stranger, is a little bit hard to do.
I think a lot of people want to ascribe rationality to this crime, you know, because some people have sympathy for his political motives and they seem on their surface kind of rational.
But then, yeah, once you dig into the details of it, there are some parts of it that don't make sense, like the fact that, you know, he and his family didn't actually have this health insurance company, you know, so I mean, what, and he was wealthy, so he could have afforded any kind of services that he needed.
Ultimately, you know, you might have to just accept that this guy might have psychopathy in the same way that, you know, like a John Wayne Gacy or somebody does.
He just expressed it through this political prism.
You write this on your Telegram, Jason.
Most of my ex-feed is lionizing the shooter.
I'm a bit more ambivalent.
Luigi Mangioni is from an incredibly rich family.
You just mentioned that whatever injustice he received in medical malpractice was not due to him being unable to pay for medical care.
The implication is lazy and poorly thought out.
You go on to write, I'm less shocked by the fact that political assassinations are coming back in style than that they ever went out of style.
The reaction to Mangioni shows that it is a far better vehicle for political statements than the cycle of mass shootings we were living through for several decades.
The political assassin often becomes a martyr and historical figure, as well as actually targeting someone with power.
I've never not seen a mass shooting generate backlash.
Develop that thought, Jason, with a minute remaining before the break.
Lost the talk.
Go ahead, Keith.
Okay, what I was going to say is that that's a good point that was made by Jason.
His real beef should have been with the doctor that botched the surgery and caused him to have all these problems.
You know, spinal stenosis is not something that is like experimental surgery or something.
If that's even real.
If he got bad surgery, why didn't he go after the doctor rather than the insurance company?
I mean, but at the same time, he's fit, he's you know, looks good.
You know, is that real that he was?
I don't know.
We don't know.
I don't have confirmation.
Yeah, exactly.
So I don't know where all this information is coming from.
So why mention it?
That's the thing.
I don't know if he was really injured and couldn't do certain things and all of that.
But what we do know is that he assassinated this guy.
I mean, cold blood point blank.
And this guy was Brian Thompson.
He came from Iowa.
By all accounts, a working-class guy who worked his way up to be the head of this, you know, multi-billion dollar healthcare conglomerate.
And some activist for anti-insurance forces are trying to figure it out.
And is the left adopting him?
If we can get Jason reconnected, I know Jason's having some connectivity issues.
If we can get him reconnected for the final segment, we will get his opinion.
Stay tuned.
Hello there, everyone.
It's Lacey again with a friendly reminder from James Edwards that TPC's Christmas fundraising drive is now underway, and your response would mean so much to us.
20 years ago, this radio program was the first of its kind and paved the way for so many others that would follow.
Today, TPC continues to lead the way in mainstreaming our movement by attractively presenting our message in a way that comes across as well-reasoned, relatable, and trustworthy.
We remain so thankful for the relationship that we share with our incredible audience.
Nothing would be possible without you, and it continues to be an honor to serve you.
As our 20th anniversary year comes to a close in December, we look forward to building on the unprecedented success that we have shared together.
Our Christmas fundraising drive is by far the most important of our quarterly appeals, and we would be thrilled if you could remember TPC during this season of hope and goodwill.
Thank you for your support of this groundbreaking broadcast.
Merry Christmas to you and your family from all of us here at TPC.
This is a battle, a battle between truth and deceit.
A battle between forces that would enslave this country in darkness and between a media that wants to present you with the truth.
We are being censored.
America's news outlets no longer provide the truth.
90% of news outlets in the United States are controlled by six corporations.
The mission of the Epic Times is to chase the truth, to ground all statements and facts.
Theepictimes.com.
Looking for an IT partner that truly understands your needs, managed IT services is the answer.
We meet with you regularly to discuss your goals and form a tailored technology plan.
Our customers have called us a trusted advisor who delivers.
When it comes to IT, we do it all.
Firewalls, cloud storage, server migration, and more.
Say goodbye to long-term contracts and hello to a team that earns your business month after month.
Call 801-706-6980 now and let managed IT services transform your IT experience.
Well, there goes that one.
Yeah, we found more ways to screw up tonight.
Well, it's not just off Jason's end.
It's on our end, too.
Well, that was going to be Von Monroe from 1945.
Let it snow.
We've been struggling with the computer even here in the studio all night tonight.
But you can sing that one, Kate Keith.
Oh, the weather outside is frightening.
But with you, it's so delightful.
You got a few of them right.
If there's no place to go, let it snow, let it snow.
All right.
We didn't even need the computer to work for that one.
So, Jason, this brings me to an important question before we go back to this issue at hand.
Is Die Hard a Christmas movie or an action movie?
Yeah, it's both, of course.
You know, it's an action movie that's set during Christmas.
And I can tie that into what we're talking about because I'm a child of the 80s.
You are too, Jason.
I was born in the 80s.
I grew up on Die Hard.
My parents kind of had a loose leash on that stuff, but it was, you know, I loved watching those movies.
Never forgetting that guy losing his grip and falling.
You know, that was a great scene.
Well, that was the great Alan Rickman as Hans Gruber.
And I can't, I got to tell you, I rooted for Hans in that movie.
I certainly rooted for his brother, Jeremy Irons, in Die Hard 3.
And that brings us back to the point, Jason, of this last half of the conversation, the assassination of Brian Thompson.
I mean, you have the left really sort of owning this and claiming this.
And I mean, there's been groups at clubs doing the techno that it didn't.
You know, it wasn't the insurance company that dropped the ball.
It was obserge.
Well, in any event, I mean, who knows what he was really upset about?
I mean, we're speculating.
Who knows how real that is?
What we do know is that he killed this guy, assassinated him on the streets of New York.
Now, and we know that Brian Thompson's background from Iowa, he worked his way up on and on.
But the left are sort of owning this and celebrating it and laughing it and mocking it.
And at clubs, they show Luigi's visage and they cheer.
What does that mean to you, Jason?
I mean, frankly, I've seen people on both the left and the right, even pro-white people, claiming Luigi.
But I'm much more ambivalent about it.
I mean, certainly there are issues with the healthcare system.
And I think that the identification with Luigi has to do with the populism that is just surging across the country right now.
But yeah, I mean, he killed a white father of two, you know, who worked his way up in the corporate ladder.
And, you know, we don't have any evidence that he specifically implemented any kind of policy that hurt anybody.
And I think also a lot of these critiques we're hearing about the healthcare industry, yes, there are some real tragedies that happen in it, but they're critiquing it from this utopian ideal that doesn't really exist.
They just want everything to be free and work 100% of the time.
And anything that's not like that is criminal and you deserve to die, Obrah.
All right.
So, I mean, how would you, you know, I mentioned, you know, the diehard movies and, you know, where did they come from?
The villains.
Well, I mean, you know, Christmastime, but Breaking Bad is probably my favorite.
It is a perfect TV show.
I loved Breaking Bad.
I rooted for Walter White, Brian Cranston's character.
I mean, what separates that?
I mean, except for the fact that one is fiction and one is real life, what separates that from rooting for the anti-villain to this issue, Jason?
Well, I mean, that's actually a pretty good point there because, you know, the media that we consume today, and there's some great stuff like Breaking Bad and Better Call Solves, another example of that, the sequel or prequel series to Breaking Bad.
Perfect, perfect series.
I mean, it was a perfect series from pilot to finale.
Anyway, but I mean, I digress.
We really have been primed to see things from the other side.
We're in this like renaissance of like the villains getting their due as the heroes and anti-heroes.
So in a way, this is a cultural moment that we've been primed for by the media for, you know, an entire generation.
And, you know, there's clearly multiple sides to everything.
People who are political dissidents know that more than anybody because we're portrayed in a villainous way.
And yet we feel that we're the good guys.
We're here.
We have morality behind us, not the other way around.
So, yeah, I think that that just taps into how many shades of gray and how morally cloudy this era is.
Well, I mean, and it gets more layered by the day.
I mean, I mentioned earlier tonight, so Ron Paul's presidential campaign manager is with Jared Taylor tonight at an event in Dallas.
And Lou Moore has been on our show a few times since this summer.
I mean, Steve King is another guy who I was with.
He's been a regular guest on this program.
I was with him in Orlando.
We spoke together on a panel at a very big event back in February.
I mean, so there's a lot of things now that are beginning to, and I hate to use that as an example to qualify what we were just talking about between, you know, life and death situations and something far more morbid.
But at the same time, there are things that are happening that are turning things on its heel and is actually quite good.
And I would ask you this, Jason, because you've been through so much and you've endured so much for a cause and for our mission that so many people couldn't fathom.
So when I ask you this, I think your opinion carries a lot of weight.
Do you really believe that things are changing to a point where our ideas are mainstreaming now?
I think that there's an action potential right now, you know, and events don't happen in isolation.
When you look at all of the big revolutionary or counter-revolutionary moments in human history, it's a series of events that happened over multi-generational, you know, circumstances.
You know, like before Julius Caesar, you had the Grackeye brothers and their uprising and their assassination, you know, made Julius Caesar possible.
And, you know, with the French Revolution, that's another major turning point.
There were all kinds of things from the Bastille Day and to storms and economic crises that just built up over time into this action potential to make things really happen.
And I think that that's where those of us who are activists and common people who want to see change in the world, but we're not great men of history necessarily, we have an opportunity to change things, you know, by pushing the narratives, by being assertive.
Let me ask you this very quickly because I know, and if you don't mind me mentioning, that Dave Gehery is a survivor of the USS Liberty, who is someone you worked with to get your book printed.
And now you have Candace Owens having Phil Turney on.
I mean, do you make more of that than there is?
Or is this really something substantial?
This is a sea change.
Well, there's definitely sea change happening on the Jewish issue in particular.
There's two different currents.
There's the Jewish issue, and then there's the white identity issue.
And in particular, the Jewish issue is having a moment, and it's not just tied to white identity because of the Palestinian struggle.
You know, it's been, you know, appropriated by a lot of left-wing and minority groups, and it's getting around all over the place.
I mean, you guys noted earlier that Duke was on with a couple of black guys, the Hodge twins, and they were talking about it, and Candace Owens, and lots of people.
So in particular, this criticism of Jewish power has just reached game-changing levels.
I think that that's going to have a major impact.
Well, nothing is slowing up Netanyahu.
He's taking total advantage of this situation in Syria, for example.
Well, but, I mean, time may be fleeting, Jason, because as we've mentioned before, the up-and-coming generation, those in their 20s, those coming of age on both the left and the right, even evangelical Christians, they're not as enconced with Israel as the people who are dying out.
So I think, you know, you've already seen it on racial issues to a large extent, certainly on immigration and border and deportations.
I think this whole thing of Jewish parent influence is up for a bit.
I feel like our song ought to be the monkey singing shades of gray.
I think you're going to see some changes in the future.
I think right now is a very good time to be alive.
I've been doing this my entire adult life.
I've never been more hopeful than I am now.
Let me just put it that way.
Jason, dissident.press, for people who want to get your book, and please do.
Jason will sign it for you.
Dissident.press, it's still 11 days to Christmas.
If you're listening live, you can get it in your stocking.
Jason, final word to you.
Yeah, thanks for having me on, guys.
And, you know, I just want to say, you know, for what we can do, we've really got to keep the white identity thing strong.
You know, it's good to have lots of different front centers critiquing Jewish power and everything, but we can never forget the white identity aspect.
And we've got to find a way to start, you know, uniting together and working together to assert our agenda.
Amen.
Well, thank you, Jason.
Thank you for standing and for being one of those who is willing to put his head above the parapet.
And folks, that now leaves us with only two shows left in our 20th anniversary year.
What a fast 20 years it's been.
Don't forget to respond to our Christmas fundraising drive.
Hopefully you've all now received the letter that we mailed in November.
If I could get this computer to move, Keith, Keith wants us to play Special Angel, but we couldn't even play Von Monroe a moment ago.