June 1, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
All right.
Welcome back, everybody.
Hope you enjoyed that first hour revisitation of the Donald Trump Jr. interview from Super Tuesday 2016 as part of our TPC at 20, a retrospective series.
That is part six of 12, which means one thing, Keith, here we are now in June.
I can certainly feel it.
It's already hot.
Even inside the studio tonight, it's hot.
But that means the year's half over.
I can remember anticipating the fireworks of 2024 for months in the latter half of 2023.
And now here we are.
I mean, it's coming.
It's coming.
Well, look, the first half was great, but I guarantee you the second half of the year will not be anticlimactic.
Well, we're going to talk about that right now.
With us, our friend, the editor-in-chief of Counter Currents, the premier web zine of the intellectual right.
And we asked the question.
It is a question that has been raging online.
Is America doomed?
Jared Taylor kicked off that debate.
Scott Greer wrote a response to Jared Taylor.
Greg Johnson wrote a response to both Jared Taylor and Scott Greer, and he's going to offer his takes now.
But first, let's say hello.
Greg, how are you?
I'm fine.
How are you?
It's great to be back.
I tell you what, I'm hot.
It's summertime in the South.
It's Saturday, June 1st.
But I'm really hopeful.
You know, we talked about this now for a couple of years, and I know you are as well, but there's still a lot that needs to be sorted out.
Tell us, break down for us in your own words, if you could, Greg, this fantastic piece you have at Counter Currents in response to both Jared and Scott and how that debate started.
Well, Jared wrote, quote unquote, it's over.
And he's referring to America.
And Scott Greer basically criticized that by saying, well, it's not pragmatic to say things like, it's over for the United States, even though it's got lots of problems.
Why isn't it pragmatic?
Well, because it discourages people from actually affecting any change.
And we have to deal with the people as they are.
Most people, if they think there's no possible solution within the current, will just, well, basically they'll do what they're doing already, which is just grill and distract themselves in other ways.
And they won't take any actions.
I agree with that pragmatic critique that he gives.
I don't think that Jared makes a very strong case for thinking that America is over.
I think one could make a case.
I just don't think he did it.
He made a very heartfelt case that things have just declined so badly, and he gave lots of examples of it.
And basically, he's not betting that America can be fixed.
So he's thinking of a post-American ethnostate, a post-American solution to the decline of America.
If you're looking at this thing – go ahead, Greg.
No, no, go ahead.
Well, I'm just going to say, I mean, and this is something that Brad Griffin touches on, and I've touched on it before.
If you're looking at this thing, if you're watching this play out in widescreen, Brad posted a response to this, to yours response, I believe, that the situation is dire, but it may be futile to some extent to participate in mainstream politics, yet it is also the sensible thing to do.
But he focuses on historical cycles and that a normal process may be playing itself out right now.
Regimes collapse.
It has always been a feature of history.
Where do you weigh in on that aspect of it?
That this is just something that is going to be agreed.
Either way with or without our assistance.
Well, yeah, nothing lasts forever.
If you want to take a cosmic perspective on things, everything ends.
And that means America, too.
Everything ends, so will America.
The question that we're debating really is that will America become a white country again before it ends.
Jared betting no.
Scott Greer is saying we can try or we should try.
My view is basically this.
We just don't know.
We don't know all the contingencies that we're going to face in the future.
However, whether white people survive in America or in some kind of post-American society, we all have basically the same job today.
And that's to convince people that our analysis of what's going on is correct.
And that means educate people and agitate people.
And if we continue to do that, we're more and more likely to actually have a happy ending for white people in North America.
So I'm kind of agnostic about what the ultimate end game is, but I think that pragmatically speaking, if we just look at what we can do now, no matter what outcome you predict, there are certain prerequisites have to be dealt with first, and that's basically educating people.
And honestly, there's a lot of education that needs to be done.
Greer talks about how we have to appeal to people as they are, and he cites Sam Francis, who did that way back in, what, 1995 or something like that, or 19, it was back in the 90s.
Sam Francis was very critical of secessionism and post-American thinking.
And he basically argued that you can't sell that to the GOP, and so it's a non-starter.
But, you know, that's the wrong way to look at it.
The GOP as it currently exists is part of the problem.
We're not going to get a solution out of them until we change them.
And so, again, we just have to go back to the whole plan of just changing the conversation, changing the way people think.
The GOP and the Democrats need to be thoroughly debugged.
Their thinking is so flawed.
And both parties basically have the same premise as far as white identity goes, which is identity politics is great for every other group and they'll pander to them ferociously, but there's nothing worse than white identity politics.
And if you believe that, we can't expect anything good out of the system.
Now, Jared's right.
If that premise remains in place, there's no good to be expected out of this.
But we're making headway against that.
We're fighting against that.
We're changing the way people think.
And Jared's been at this a lot longer than I have, and so he's got a broader perspective on this.
And just as he could draw a very sad story of decline from, say, the 19th century to 2020, he could also draw a very inspiring story of renewal starting in the 1990s when he got involved with all of this and looking at the quantity and quality of people who are reading platforms like American Renaissance.
I've been running countercurrents for nearly 14 years now.
And I've been involved in this movement about 25 years.
And 25 years ago, when I first came to events and met people, it was like going to the symphony, meaning it was just a bunch of old people.
And today, it's very, very different.
It's very different.
There are a lot of younger people, and there are a lot more people in general.
I've seen our audience growing tremendously.
Our audience is twice as big as it was in 2018.
So that's a positive sign.
So I think that you could draw an equally dramatic upward grasp, the big line going up in terms of exposure of our ideas, the mainstreaming of our ideas.
And I think we just need to keep working at that.
And again, no matter what the outcome there is, the stuff we can do in the here and now is basically the same.
And that's propaganda, education, agitation, and also organizing ourselves.
We want to be a well-organized group so we can take care of one another and promote our ideas effectively.
So all of that stuff we can agree on today and work on, and that's what we're doing.
Greg, this is Keith Alexander.
You said people need to be educated.
Give us the two primary topics that they need educating about.
Well, two things.
I would say the first thing that has to go is this heinous moral double standard that the whole establishment accepts, which again is there's nothing worse than racism for white people only.
It's fine for other races to be very racist towards us, but we can't take our own side in these conflicts.
Or there's nothing worse than white identity politics.
Identity politics for everybody else is just fine, but we can't organize our societies for our own interests.
If we could get rid of that one crazy idea, I think we would be well on the way to sorting everything out.
So there's one, I can give you a single premise that we need to attack.
Beyond that, it's just people that restoring a white homeland is a feasible thing to do.
Once we decide that our people have a future in a white nation, then everything else is just working out the details.
But we have to convince people not just that it's desirable and moral, but that it's also practical.
And this is why I'm rather excited that people are now talking about deportation.
They're actually using the deport word.
And that's very good.
However, the immediate thing that our enemies do is they try and junk that up and make it as expensive and dystopian as possible.
And that's what you'd expect of them.
They're trying to make it unattractive and seem just impossible.
And so one of the things we have to do is focus on, no, if it's possible for millions of people to move here, surely it's equally possible for them to leave.
If they came by planes, trains, and automobiles, they can leave the same way.
It's just a matter of will.
There are no difficulties, practical difficulties standing in the way of reversing white America's decline by simply reversing all the negative trends that we're suffering from.
Low birth rates and open borders.
Those are the main things.
It's totally feasible to do that.
It can be done in a completely moral way.
And it doesn't even require a complete revolution or it doesn't even have to be done quickly.
It can be done slowly.
We've been declining ethnically for more than 50 years.
We can turn it around slowly, too.
It's just a matter of changing the incentives that are basically replacing us and reversing them so that with each passing year, America is a wider and wider place.
I have been talking about this for the last couple of years with an increasing amount of certainty that things are going to change here.
And I don't know the pivot.
I don't know the catalyst.
I don't know the exact date.
But yes, well, this goes back, and I want to pivot to Trump.
This is an election year.
It's June.
I mean, it's coming.
But I want to go back to the inevitable demise of the current order and then get into some questions for Trump.
There's so much I want to ask you, Greg, and get your opinion on over the course of the remainder of this hour.
But before I do, I want to remind folks to check out counter-currents.com, counter-currents.com.
I think, well, is it Tacky that says Taki says his site is intellectual caviar?
Well, I think Greg's is, if I liked caviar.
But anyway, Nick Griffin was at the recent political cesspool conference appearing via video.
Of course, he can't travel here.
But he was talking about the post-World War II era coming to an end.
And this is, again, something that Brad Griffin commented on.
The fact that we have spent our entire lives living through this era, which has its own unique mindset, morality, and art, all of which is best understood as an elite reaction to World War II.
Liberal democracy triumphed and has been the established hegemonic Western ideology ever since.
But history shows that the death of the current regime is inevitable.
How that will play out, who will emerge victorious, Brad writes, is an open question.
He talks about the potential for a constitutional crisis and the supposition that Donald Trump will play a starring role in it.
Now, Greg, in the previous hour, to kick things off, if anybody's tuning in late, we actually revisited the interview we did with Donald Trump Jr. on Super Tuesday in March of 2016, back when Trump was this blank canvas upon which we could project our hopes and dreams.
Now, nearly a decade into the Trumpian era, the ups and downs, the disappointments, the advancements of our movement have been well documented and exhaustively discussed.
My question for you is, how do you view Trump's legacy now as we sit here in the summer of 2024, nearly a decade after he announced his original candidacy, now on the cusp of his third campaign for the White House?
Well, he's certainly not the guy that I thought he was back in 2015, 2016.
The bloom is off.
He had a pretty terrible first term in office, and he failed to do a lot of things that he said he was going to do.
There's no question about it.
He did all kinds of terrible things, frankly, that he never should have done, like them plan and letting all these criminals out, pardoning all these Jewish swindlers and black rappers and things like that.
It was disgraceful.
Basically, he was unprepared for office, and he ended up abandoning a lot of the things that he really wanted to do and taking the path of least resistance.
And there's really no resistance to giving Jews and black people free stuff.
And so he ended up just pandering to those groups and kind of stiffing the white people who put him into office.
That said, there are a lot of things he did purely administratively that were good for slowing down immigration.
And since he's been gone, the floodgates have been open and the results have been alarming.
And therefore, the main reason why I want Trump to win is there's every reason to think that he will slow down immigration.
And now the deportation word is actually in play.
There's some hope that he might actually reverse it.
And that's a huge game changer because even though the open borders are actually helping us make our case, there's a certain point where there are going to be so many of these people around that people will just give up on the very idea that we can ever get our homeland back.
It's just true.
Quantity turns to quality.
At a certain point, it's just going to be too much.
And we don't want to create a politically impotent but fully enlightened minority that just can't battle against the replacement.
We want to actually win.
And that means that we need to slow down and reverse immigration.
We need to slow down the great replacement.
It gives us time to work.
And so I'm 100% for getting Trump back into office because I think it's very reasonable to think that he will be better on immigration.
You couldn't be worse than Biden on immigration.
So that has to be an improvement.
So anyway, Garrett says it doesn't matter who's elected president this year in his article.
I with that, it matters a great deal that Trump be elected because he will give us the most precious thing, which is time.
Trump will not deliver white America to us.
That was never in the cards.
That's not what he wants.
He believes all these dumb things that the whole political establishment believes.
He pays lip service to those ideas at least.
But Trump can give us what we need to deliver white America, and the main thing that we need is time.
He's also smashed a lot of taboos.
The greatest thing he did was the day that he announced his candidacy when he put immigration and multiculturalism and globalization in play as political topics.
Because before that, basically the whole establishment was in agreement that they would compete on all kinds of other stuff, but they would never compete on those things.
Those things were just going to happen.
And there would be no political movement or candidate, left, right, or center, that would oppose that.
And Trump basically smashed that fake gentleman's agreement, that cartel agreement that put immigration and globalization and basically populism back into play.
And I don't think those things are going to go away anytime soon.
So that was a huge victory for us.
The next thing that he could deliver is not just a slowdown, but a halt or even a reversal of migration into America.
And that would be great because that will give us the time we need, as I said.
Greg, Keith, Alexander, again, I really question whether or not we'll be saying after a second Trump election that when all is said and done, more will be said than done again.
I wonder why you think that maybe things are going to improve.
And of course, when it comes to what people need to be educated about, you mentioned it, you touched on it.
The 800-pound gorilla in the room is Jewish power and influence.
That's the yeast that has made the dough rise in every left-wing movement that has happened over the past 70 years or more.
And of course, Trump has doubled down on his support for Israel.
He's saying, you know, I'm going to write him a blank check.
What is your response to that type of argument?
Well, there are other things that are important to us besides the Jewish question.
And immigration is important to us.
We will never get a chance.
Where did that come from, though, Greg?
Greg, look, where did immigration come from?
It came from the 65 Immigration Act, sponsored by whom?
Emmanuel Seller.
What was he?
Not a Southern Bank.
Oh, yeah, and there's no question about that.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
We're not going to be able to vote on a candidate who's putting the Jewish question in play anytime soon.
So that's just basically what we've got to deal with.
These people are united around their slavish devotion to Israel and to our local Jewish population.
That's not going to change any.
What is in play is immigration, and we can expect some improvements on that front.
And yes, Jews will kick and scream and oppose it, but I still think that we can make some progress on that front.
So that's my hope.
But if the Jewish question is the only question that people care about, then Trump's just not going to matter to them at all.
But no candidate will matter to them.
Well, that's quick.
Can we ever make any other direction, though, as long as, for example, let's say America is split in two, as long as Jewish power and influence is still in control, what difference?
Well, Greg, I think you gave a great answer.
And Keith, I would just submit this.
Just as much as we couldn't have foreseen 10 years ago the extent to which establishment conservatism has sort of really taken our issues with regards to anti-whitism and things like that, that has happened.
You couldn't see that 10 years ago.
I think that the taboo on the Jewish question will similarly erode.
But as Greg, as you mentioned, that time hasn't come yet.
It will come.
It may be five, ten years down the road.
But with Israel's behavior right now in Gaza, it will come.
Oh, yeah, it's already on the way.
After October 7th, we did a podcast at Countercurrents, and the question was, has Jewish power peaked?
And now, I don't think it's even a matter of question.
I think it has peaked, and it's in decline.
I think historians are going to look at this as an inflection point, and it has nothing to do with our efforts, as valiant as they've been.
Well, our efforts have been dwarfed by the behavior of Jews themselves.
That's it.
They are so self-discrediting.
Their behavior has been so hysterical and so self-discrediting.
And the absolutely grotesque and slavish Devotion of our political establishment to those people has also been self-discrediting.
So, this is a great time to be alive in terms of that.
We're seeing the Jewish establishment and their willing slaves discrediting themselves in real time, behaving absolutely abominably and independently.
And more and more people are taking notice of that.
So, I'm rather hopeful on that front.
But there's always going to be a time lag between changes in the zeitgeist and politics.
It's just the way it is.
And so, it might be years down the road before we see a crack in the absolute lockstep slavish control that the Jewish lobby exerts over the American political system.
But I think the time is coming very, very soon when people in Congress are thinking, we've got to slow down on this stuff.
These are blows of money.
Hold on.
We got a break.
We got the music.
We have to take the, we skipped the photo break.
We've got to take this hard bottom-of-the-hour break.
But yeah, I mean, it's been so disgusting, Brett.
Magamike Johnson's done nothing since he's got in there except money talks.
All right, we're going to talk to Greg about the future of this country and our people when we come back.
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Greg, one of the great thinkers and spokesmen for our people, not just here in America, but globally.
And it's always great to catch up with Greg on the radio and in person, as we seem to do every year.
But Greg, I've got a two-part question for you, again, regarding Trump.
I'll ask you the first part of it, and then after a quick answer, I'll get to a theory I'm working on, which I would be happy for you to disagree with.
But when you're talking about Trump, you know, you have to talk about inadvertent assists, some of the things that he has done that has given our side some huge dividends, which, you know, perhaps weren't purposeful.
You know, he does call himself, what, Israel's king or Israel's president, but he also says a lot of things that white people agree with.
Because of the media's, I've talked about this for years, because of the media's unhinged overreaction to the perceived threat that he poses to the system, Trump has done more in the past decade, just on this point, to destigmatize the weaponized slur of racist than we could have done in a century.
And on the other hand, though, our movement has arguably grown both in strength and effectiveness more over the course of the last three and a half years since Biden's inauguration than it did in Trump's first term.
So how do you reconcile that, Greg?
But no consequent political power gain.
How do you, well, meta, we're going to get to that.
Actually, I would disagree.
I mean, politically, yes, metapolitically, no.
But how do you reconcile the advancements we've made as a movement over the last three and a half years with your stated desire and mine too?
I'll vote for it for Trump to win.
Well, I mean, there's some that people use, accelerationism.
And basically, it's the idea that, well, if things keep getting bad or keep getting worse, that will accelerate our victory because it'll wake people up.
And I understand that kind of thinking as a coping mechanism for dealing with disappointment.
For instance, when Biden got into office, when the election was stolen successfully, a lot of people said, well, he's going to be really embarrassing.
He's going to make some terrible decisions.
And we can use this.
We can make hay out of this to wake people up.
And that's true.
And we have been able to do that.
And so it's not just a coping mechanism.
Actually, true.
The open border has been hugely helpful to us.
But here's the thing: do we want to therefore say, well, you know, the key, my friends, to winning is to keep losing.
We just need to lose this other round.
And then things get even more bad.
And that means that, well, we can red-till even more people.
And then another election will come around and people will say, I've got a brilliant idea.
We just keep winning by losing.
Let's just lose this around.
At a certain point, you've got to start taking the wins.
And I remember back in 2016, a countercurrence reader contacted me, and this was right on the cusp of the election.
And his question was, Greg, don't you think that things would be better if Hillary got elected just for acceleration reasons?
And I said, no.
If we're going to win at some point, we've got to start taking the wins when they offer themselves.
And this was a win, I thought.
And I think getting Trump in again would be a win.
Again, just on the immigration issue alone.
That's the most important thing.
Continue with this idea that we can just accelerate a losing streak to the point where it'll suddenly turn into its opposite.
At a certain point, if we keep losing and losing and losing, we're just going to become so demoralized and so outnumbered that we're going to be like white South Africans.
And we don't want that to happen.
Greg, it's like the Titanic.
You know, the Titanic is going down, you know, saying, you know, all the proof has shown I should have booked passage on the Mauritania, right?
Well, I mean, this is another thing, too.
I mean, and you do get to this where even things that are obviously good for us can't really be good for us because we've just never won anything.
So how could we be winning now?
I agree with what you're saying, Greg, but I do, I have this idea, and it's just something I'm working with.
I'd be happy to be wrong, and I'd love your sincere take on this.
Trump has done so much to eviscerate faith in the existing system.
And this is a system that needs legitimacy to survive and to endure.
And if you poll the Trump voters, you know, tens of millions of people, half the country, on whether they have faith in the system and its various branches like the media.
But then, on the other hand, how can he correct cores when he's telling people that the Jews are the best things in the world?
Well, that's not the question right now, though.
But what I'm saying is the people, you asked him if they had faith in the media, the governments, the courts, the FBI, even in elections themselves.
And you're going to find that among the Trump voters, that faith in all of these institutions is destabilizing very rapidly.
I mean, it's in single digits on some polls for some of these.
Secession movements are becoming more serious.
If Trump wins in November, or if he is allowed to win, I think a lot of that energy dissipates, at least for a couple of years.
That's natural.
Do you think the system needs him to win in order to restore a little bit of its legitimacy?
People on board.
I think it's a good question.
I think it's an excellent question.
Years ago, back in 2016, this fellow that I was in a chat group with online, I never actually knew his real name.
He was my friend Raden.
That's how he went.
Anyway, Raiden said something really profound that I've stolen and been using for years.
He said, Trump isn't our last hope, meaning the last hope of white people.
Trump is their last hope.
Trump is the system's last hope in the sense that if he gets what he wants, he can stabilize this current system and maintain its viability, maintain its legitimacy in ways that continued decline, especially under somebody like Hillary Clinton or now Joe Biden, simply couldn't do.
And I thought that was a very profound observation.
Again, I don't think Trump is going to save white people or white America.
I think that's for us to do.
I think that Trump is sort of the best hope of the system that we want to destroy.
But at the same time, he also gives us opportunities because unfortunately, we're so entangled with that system.
We wouldn't care about it if we didn't live in the midst of it, right, and suffer from all of its follies.
So the question today, in my mind.
I was going to say, I think that if he doesn't win, there are a lot of people that will just despair.
Well, I want him to win because I love the chaos that he injects into the system, the polarization that he creates.
I think whites have to come to the world.
Oh, yeah, it's all.
Whites have to come to the realization that there is no future for us on this continent with the woke diversity coalition of the other.
There is nothing that we have in common with these people.
The rift is too wide.
The only thing holding us together is this tenuous economy.
And the sooner we get on with what needs to happen next, the better.
But for as long as, and Trump is pushing 80 now, he's got four more years.
That's it.
I would just, I'd like to see him play that.
So yes, I'm going to vote for him.
Is he going to be Emperor Claudius before Nero and Caligula come on?
Well, yeah, I want him to win because I do think he's the chaos candidate.
And here's the thing.
Even though he's the last best hope of their system, they don't see it, and they're going to try and destroy him.
And so I'm not really worried that Trump is going to stabilize the system.
In fact, I don't even think it can be stabilized at this point.
And in some ways, I don't want it to be stabilized.
I want the maximum amount of chaos and polarization because that's what gives us most opportunities.
But I do want to slow down on the border because we also need to have fewer of these people on the ground in our society.
It's just a matter of numbers.
Politics is a matter of numbers.
It's not just ideas.
It's also numbers.
You can have the best ideas in the world, but if you are vastly outnumbered, like in the meme, the white guy in the vast swimming pool full of black people, you know, it doesn't matter if you've got the right ideas.
You can't ever put them into practice.
So we have to worry about the numbers coming across the border, and we have to reverse that somehow.
But I'm fundamentally hopeful that that'll happen under a second Trump administration.
And there will be a lot of chaos, a lot of polarization, a lot of butthurt.
Another thing I'm really interested in, though, is the question of just how strong these leftists are.
They astonish me.
They have been in high dudgeon.
They have been in hysteria since 2015.
This is a long time for an organism to maintain that level of psychological intensity.
And they're constantly gaslighting one another, of course, to keep it up.
But at a certain point, doesn't the organism simply have to break down under this?
I wonder when these people are going to break.
I wonder if Trump getting re-elected.
Now, that's a great question, Greg.
And you posed that in one of your pieces.
And as a matter of fact, we're going to, after this break, lift a couple of excerpts from your article, Is America Doomed? at countercurrents.com.
So stay tuned.
We'll get Greg's reaction to his overriding.
Next.
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Fantastic debate all over our quarters of the Internet right now, being participated in by Jared Taylor, Scott Greer, Greg Johnson, Brad Griffin.
In his response, Is America Doomed, May 24th headline at Countercurrents, Greg writes this, and just give me a moment to set the stage here, Greg, and we'll have you respond.
You write, I see no reason to reject much of the substance of the American political tradition.
Republican rather than hereditary government is a good thing.
The true meaning of the claim that all men are created equal is simply a denial of the principle of hereditary rule.
The mixed regime set out in the Constitution has ancient roots because it more reliably secures the common good than unmixed regimes.
The Constitution even refers to the idea of the common good, the general welfare, as opposed to the radical liberal individualism that has been foisted on it.
You continue by writing the Naturalization Act of 1790.
You made it explicit that America was to be a white nation.
Thus, there is no contradiction between white identity and American identity properly understood.
America was founded as a white society.
Americans are a distinct white ethnic group.
The United States was white until only recently.
Thus, repealing multiculturalism and making America white again is entirely consistent with the intent of the founders and most of American history.
Such facts, and this is where you really cut straight to the bone, such facts are simply ignored by the left.
Such history simply ignored by the left, which has defined Americanism as a civil religion cobbled together with a line from the Declaration of Independence as misinterpreted in the Gettysburg Address, some doggerole by Emra Lazarus, and a line spoken by Martin Luther King.
Who is the last man in the world who would want to be judged by the content of his character?
If you conclude, Greg, if the present system continues, it is truly over for America and the white race in North America.
But it won't continue.
This is what we've been talking about this hour.
It has already been disrupted.
It will continue to be disrupted.
Americans are increasingly rejecting radical egalitarianism, racial egalitarianism, anti-white racism, open borders, globalization, and the political sham known as liberal democracy, which means ruled by a decadent elite that has made an art of not giving the people what they want.
Greg, that is a fantastic conclusion to your response to this debate.
Is America doomed at countercurrents?
Please continue on.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate it.
I enjoyed writing that, and it's gotten a lot of positive responses.
Yeah, I'm happy with the response.
I'm happy with the debate.
It's been very civil.
You go on Twitter and other places on the internet, and it gets really nasty really, really fast.
I really liked Brad Griffin's contribution to it as well.
I I think it's a good conversation for us to be having because I think it allows us to focus on the stuff that we are united on and focus on the situation that we share today.
We're in a common situation.
We have common goals.
And the question is, what's going to happen between now and then?
And I think the first steps that we need to take are basically to travel together down this road of educating people and changing the consensus in America about what's desirable politically,
what's possible politically, and building up a movement that can project those ideas more and more effectively and also just be something that people want to be part of because it provides more of a sense of community than basically this emptied out husk of a nation, which is all that we've been left with in most of our lifetimes.
So yeah, we need to build this movement.
Greg, let me cut to the chase, okay?
The old expression is, be careful what you wish for, your dream may come true.
I know that Jared seems to want some type of segregate, you know, secession and whatnot.
How many parts can we have before we basically entice the Chinese or the Russians, for example, to try to take Alaska or something?
How can we maintain our territorial integrity and still have secession and get ourselves away from nut jobs on the left coast and on the Sela Corridor?
Good question.
Well, one of the things that I dream about, not thinking about this since 2016, I wrote a piece called In Praise of Cal Exit.
This was during the left's 17th nervous breakdown during the immediate aftermath of the Trump election, the first Trump election.
And there was all this talk in California about leaving the country, taking their toys and going away.
I thought that would have been wonderful.
I thought it would have been great for the rest of America if 55 solid blue electoral votes were taken out of the equation.
California has, what, more than 30 million people in it.
Officially, it's probably got closer to 50 million.
And a very large percentage of those people are non-white.
In fact, a lot of the so-called white Californians are only white in terms of the census.
That includes a million Iranians and more than a million Jews and probably more than a million other people from the Middle East and North Africa.
And on the other hand, you heard me say this.
You know, all of the blue counties in California are coastal counties.
All of the non-coastal counties are red.
And then we'll get to you have red counties.
But as I say, Glenn doesn't vote, people do.
Go ahead.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, the idea of a blue state is sort of an optical illusion if you look at it on the county-by-county level.
We really have what I call blue ethnic tumors or blue urban tumors.
And one of the things that I dream of is something like the Cal Exit, where California leaves.
If Trump gets into office and says, we're going to start deporting people, the Californians will get, Californians will go into absolute hysteria, and they'll say, we're a sanctuary state.
And I just love it if millions of people would flee to California, as long as they're leaving.
Yeah.
And let California go.
Yeah.
California could be like an abscess that drains a lot of the poisons out of the rest of America.
The door hits your ass when you leave.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, there are things like that that are possible.
Another possibility is the Singapore solution.
Malaysia was tired of being dominated.
The Malays were tired of their country being dominated by their Chinese minority.
So they drew a line around the largest group of the Chinese in Singapore and said, you're free.
You're independent.
Go away.
And so that's how the city-state of Singapore was born.
And I think that doing that kind of thing with New York City or something would be great for the rest of the country.
This gets to something practical, Greg, that people can actually see.
And this leads me back to one thing that I wanted to be sure to share with the audience from your article at Countercurrents that we've been highlighting this hour.
This is what you write.
You're sure of three things you write.
First, nothing lasts forever.
America will be over someday.
The big question is whether it will become white nationalist first.
But every regime is mortal.
That goes double for inherently violent and unstable regimes such as multiculturalism.
Third, if white nationalism emerges, no matter how it emerges, no matter what political preference you have, we all must do the same basic things in the present day.
We must lay the metapolitical foundations for white nationalism.
This is what we're talking about.
All we have right now is metapolitics.
But that's where we must begin anyway.
You write.
We don't need to persuade everybody.
Some people cannot be saved.
We don't even have to persuade the majority because most people follow others.
I made that comment at, or a very similar comment, at the 2022 Countercurrents Conference in Atlanta.
By the way, thank you for that invitation.
That was an amazing weekend.
But you conclude by writing, all it takes is a significant minority of highly intelligent and engaged people.
And if enough people reject this anti-white system, it will end.
Lots of reasons for hope right now, Greg.
We're moving in the right directions, getting metapolitical advancements to go into actual hard political advances.
That's the next step.
But with a minute remaining, you'd have to say you're more hopeful now than you were 10 years ago.
Yes.
Oh, absolutely.
And before that, you know, 10 years before that, I was very, very, had no hope at all.
Since I started Countercurrents almost 14 years ago, I've seen the quantity and quality of people involved in this cause dramatically increasing over time.
And I think that if you just sort of project that on into the future, I think we're going to make significant headway.
And I'm quite confident that there's going to be a future for white people in North America.
Without us, there wouldn't be, but we are actually having an impact.
And that's tremendously encouraging.
And that's what you and I have devoted our lives to.
And I think it's a very, very significant way to live.
I wouldn't do anything else.
Ladies and gentlemen, you've got to support the best among us.
And Countercurrents is, to say the least, one of them.
And it's always great to talk to you, Greg.
This is an hour.
I'm looking at the clock and I got more stuff.
I got to ask.
I got more stuff I wanted to cover, but there's never enough time.
But in the meantime, while we wait for Greg to rejoin us here on TPC, counter-currents.com.
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Keith, final word to you before we go to the third hour.
Yeah, well, Greg, thanks for being on.
I think it's a very thought-provoking topic.
And I do see problems with everybody's argument on it.
But on the other hand, it really does need to be debated.
There is a consensus and a synthesis among our thinkers and among those like Greg, who has just done this for the last quarter of a century.
Something's in the air that song he likes so much.
Thunderclap Newland.
We'll see where it goes.
But wherever it goes, we'll experience it together right here as we always do.
Try to shave off your 19th nervous breakdown.
Maybe the last one will be the one they have that finishes it all.
Greg, thanks so much.
Let's stay in touch as we always do.
And we'll talk again soon.
Thank you.
Greg Johnson, everybody.
Dr. Greg Johnson.
Be sure to check out his books at Countercurrent as well.
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