Feb. 17, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
It's great to be home, ladies and gentlemen, after two weeks on the road.
We are back live this evening, Saturday night, February the 17th, and not a second to waste.
We're just going to jump right back into it in the third hour.
Yours truly and Keith Alexander will cover some random news stories and give you some announcements and things along those lines.
But first, let's get into our featured guest of the evening, Sam Dixon, who's back on the program this evening for an in-depth discussion about Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Vladimir Putin.
Yes, but much more than that about Russia and the United States.
And, well, you'll see.
But why Sam?
Well, first of all, Sam's the jack of all trades, number one.
He's knowledgeable on all the issues and capable of delivering thoughtful and incisive commentary on any question.
But much more than that, he was my number one choice for this particular topic because he has taken a lifelong interest in Russia and has taken the time to study its history and its people.
Sam, if you don't mind, just to get things started tonight, tell us a little bit more about that background.
I know you had a Russian tutor in the past.
You made a big impact on you.
Well, when I was young, I had a Russian tutor.
Surprisingly, we had a family of white Russians who are members of our parish of the Presbyterian Church.
I don't know how these Orthodox Russians came to be in our church, but they were really fabulous people.
And I just was gone to Russia, to the architecture and the language and the literature.
And then I learned Russian.
And I have always liked Russians.
I liked Russians when they were communist.
And I certainly like them now.
And I liked them before they were communists.
They have quite a history.
They are like the Anglo-Saxons.
They have carried our race and our religion to distant parts of the world, second only to the Anglo-Saxons.
They took over Siberia.
And I find them very admirable people.
They're very tough people.
They seem to be very moral people.
They're very deeply religious people.
They're very thoughtful people.
And I thought that was true of the rank and file Russians, even under communism.
And I was simply overjoyed with the fall of communism and seeing the pictures of the people smashing up the statues of Dzerzhinsky and Lenin.
And I had hoped this would be the beginning of a very warm relationship between the United States and Western Europeans in Russia.
But I feared then, and my fears are right, that the historic hatred of Russia among the usual suspects would lead to a confrontation, especially if Russia went back to the old Russia.
When communism fell, the Russians had something to go back to.
They could go back to the old Russia, a Russia that has existed since about 800 AD.
And they could go back to the Orthodox Church.
The first thing that happened when the coup fell and the Communist Party was outlawed, as some people may remember, is that Yeltsin went and met with the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, who hailed the end of communism and the freedom that the church would now enjoy.
And the Russian church immediately reverted to what it had been before.
They canonized the Tsar and his family.
They erected a cathedral over the room where they had been murdered by the non-Russian communists who killed them.
And Russia emerged with a very strong conservative, Christian, traditionalist government and population.
And sure enough, the United States or the people who misruled the United States could not tolerate that.
And we began seeing confrontation.
Sam, I know you want to talk a little bit about the inner connectivity, is that the word I'm looking for, between the interview that everybody's talking about and the historical Russian nation, their relationship with the United States or lack thereof.
But one more question I have, just setting the table with your background, and this is just a very brief background, folks, that we're giving you.
But as a Russophile, you took a remarkable trip to Russia with the late Bill Regnery of Blessed Memory in 2018.
Bill was not there.
Bill was not there.
I went with several other people.
Oh, I am mistaken then.
But in any event, this was in a two-part series, folks, that you'll want to check out.
If you go into the broadcast archives, August 11th, 2018, part one, part two, September 1st, 2018.
That was two hours of observations and reflections that Sam shared with us after a month spent in Russia.
Tell us why you went there, Sam, and what you witnessed.
It was the 100th anniversary of the murder of the Tsar and his family and the martyrdom of the imperial family in Yekaterinburg.
And several of us wanted to go there.
I wanted to go in honor of my Russian tutor, who had been very much a supporter of the old Russia.
She had a portrait of the imperial family on her wall.
And I wanted to be present.
And it was a very moving experience.
I was in Russia for a month.
I had only one unpleasant experience while I was there.
I had one in St. Petersburg when a communist, there still are some left, saw that I was wearing a monarchist symbol on my fur hat.
And he tried to provoke a fight, but other people intervened.
He sulked off, looking angry, the way communists and leftists always seem to be angry.
But anyway, but everybody else was nice to me.
They were thrilled to have an American that knew something about their country, that spoke their language, that was friendly to them.
And they would come and eat with me in restaurants.
They'd ask if they could sit at my table.
I did not see any of the signs of horrific tyranny and oppression that the American people have fed in the so-called American media.
Many people freely talked to me about their disagreements with Putin and their voting for opposition parties.
They weren't looking over their shoulders in fear like we have to do when we discuss issues like race and Zionism and immigration in America in restaurants.
We have to be very careful.
There was none of that in Russia.
And I found the ceremony was beyond anything I expected.
They've erected this beautiful cathedral in Yekaterinburg over the room where the royal family would gun down.
The patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church came and led a solemn memorial mass on a deck that had been built out over the hill on which the house in which they were murdered stands.
And then he led the people in a several hour pilgrimage to where the bodies were found after the fall of communism.
People led people, led inquirers or researchers to where tradition had told them the remains of the royal family had been buried.
And so there was a pilgrimage.
125,000 people came to the ceremony carrying icons and pictures of the Tsar.
And no surprise, this event was not mentioned at all in the American media.
Members of the European royal families were there and had their own ceremony.
I think the Duchess of Kent, the Princess of Kent, represented the British royal family, the minor figure.
But anyway, it was a very, very moving experience.
The cathedral is beyond one's capacity to imagine anything so beautiful.
The high altars erected immediately above the room where they were murdered by the communists.
But it was a very moving time.
Very much time.
Well, I would just say this.
I want to get Keith in on this.
Be sure, folks, that's just a brief snippet.
We did two hours in 2018 on his trip to Russia.
Remarkable.
So he's taken a keen interest in Russia as an intellectual.
He studied it, Russian tutor, been to Russia.
Keith, let's bring you in on this and then we'll get back to brass tacks.
Okay, two brief things, Sam.
My impression as a student of history basically was that Tsarist Russia was a righteous and holy nation, and post-Soviet Russia is trending back towards being what the Tsarist Russia was.
On the other hand, the Soviet Union was an evil empire.
Is that a correct thumbnail idea?
That is a correct assessment.
Russia has always been on the front line of fighting for our race and civilization.
Russia was conquered by the Genghis Khan Mongols and held in bondage for two horrific centuries while the rest of Europe was free.
And Russia broke free in 1380 when they defeated the Asiatics in the great battle of Kulakova, the field of Kulakova.
It was an amazing battle.
80% of all the soldiers who fought on either side died that day.
It wasn't the usual kind of battle where one side outflanks the others and one army runs away.
They hacked at each other with axes the entire day and broke free.
They broke the free of the yellow people.
And the Russians, I think, on a very deep level, subconsciously, are very aware of the danger of aliens.
My Russian tutor used to refer to the Zholsia Opust, literally the yellow peril.
And I found that Russians are very suspicious of Asiatics.
Even communist Russians seem to be instinctively fearful of them.
And of course, China is their natural enemy, just as Mexico is our natural enemy.
Both of these countries pose demographic threats to the Russians and to us.
But Russia was on the cutting edge.
The Russians who drove the yellow people, the horrific, brutal Mongols out of Europe and across the Urals, and eventually conquered all of Siberia and colonized it with our race.
It was Russia that drove the Turks out of Ukraine and liberated Ukraine and restored Ukraine to be part of the European family of nations.
It was Tsar Nicholas I in the 1850s who tried to liberate the Christians in the Balkan states in Europe and was thwarted by the influence of the usual people who instigated a war, the Crimean War, for the purpose of opposing the liberation of Christians.
And there's a very interesting book on the people that goes into the lying media, how the media in France and Britain lied and covered up the atrocities perpetrated by the Muslims against Christians and lied about the Tsar and the Russians and so on.
But they have always been the Russian, the Russian war aims at World War I, had the Tsar not been overthrown and the non-Russians triumphed over Russia.
Their aim was to, again, to drive the Turks out not only of Europe, but to drive them out of Eastern Asia Minor and liberate the Armenian Christians and to liberate the Greek Christians in the westernmost parts of Turkey and to restore Constantinople and to allow Constantinople to be reunited with Greece under the Greek king.
Anyway, they have always been a tremendous factor in the spread of our race and our civilization and religion.
And they've always been hated by the wrong people.
The last time I can find that any American president put the interests of the American people above the privileged minority that rules us was President Taft.
And it involved Russia.
We had a commercial treaty with Russia and it came up for renewal while President Taft was in office around 1910.
And the usual suspects led by Jacob Schiff, who will be the name that many of the people listening will know, was the Jewish banker who funded the Bolshevik Revolution and the brutal slaughter of Russian Christians in the Soviet Union.
And also the Japanese in the Russo-Japanese War.
It was Jewish financiers.
The American government and the British government took the side of the Japanese against their own race.
Public opinion in America was sympathetic to the Russians, but the government of America was not.
And I think Roosevelt, the first Roosevelt, was president.
But anyway, Jacob Schiff led a delegation from the community to ask President Taft not to renew the commercial treaty.
They were already trying to overthrow the Tsar.
They were already funding communist movements and terrorism in Tsarist Russia.
And they did not want this treaty renewed because it meant good things for Russia.
Russia had achieved the highest economic growth rate in the world in the last decade of the Tsar's rule.
And they wanted to stop that.
And so Taft listened to them and he said, well, I'm sympathetic.
He's the usual, you know, yat and blather about being opposed to monarchy and stuff.
But he said that I'm president of the United States and this treaty means money for American business and jobs for American workers.
And that's why I have to renew it.
And Jacob Schiff, in his autobiography, says he told them, you're a lame-duck president.
And then they left and they funded the idiot Franklin, the idiot Theodore Roosevelt to run on a third ticket in the 1912 elections.
And they put their dupe, Wilson, in office.
They split the Republican vote in two by having Taft being running against Teddy Roosevelt.
And that's what allowed Wilson to become president.
And basically, with the exception of Grover Cleveland, between the end of the Civil War and the beginning of Taft's, I mean, Wilson's administration, there was only one Democrat president during that time, Grover Cleveland.
Everything else was Republican, and they managed to switch the paradigm through their typical machinations.
Right.
They put Wilson in.
Wilson had had a lot of sexual adventures, and they had plenty of information with which to blackmail him.
And he also was an idiot and was useful to him just because he was stupid enough to believe what they had said him.
But anyway, they removed Taft.
I've studied American government since 1910, and I can't find any time since then that any administration has ever subordinated the interests of Jacob Schiff's community to those of the American people.
At every turn, their interests have been given priority over our interests.
And that's what's going on now with our policies toward Russia.
Well, what I was going to say is, ladies and gentlemen, I think by now you understand why we're setting the table in this fashion.
We are setting the table because you obviously have a guest here who is very well versed on Russian history and American history and how it intertwines and what the intersection is between this interview that everybody's talking about.
Now, Sam and I exchanged a couple of emails earlier this week, yesterday, a couple of days ago, and I had a vision, he had a vision, and he said he's got his own roadmap in mind.
So with about seven or eight minutes left before we take our first break of the night, then we are going to get back to obviously the topic at hand, Tucker Carlson's interview of Vladimir Putin, but taking the long path to it by really setting the stage, I am going to defer to my intellectual better and better in just about every way and let him have the first stab at this.
You had your own roadmap in mind of things you wanted to convey to the audience tonight vis-a-vis Carlson and Putin.
What were they, Sam?
Well, we can lean into the Carlson Putin interview by looking at the broader picture of Russia and the United States, because President Putin himself began the interview with a rather long history lesson, which I think was a mistake, but who am I to critique the guy that has risen to his level when I have not gone very far in life?
But anyway, when you started, I said that the American government subordinates the interests of the Christian, European, Anglo-Saxon, and related groups, interests to those of this other group.
What are, in broad strokes, what are the objective factors that should govern our relationship with Russia?
Well, first and foremost, we have no common border with Russia.
We have no, Russians are not funding immigration into our country.
They're not flooding us with immigrants.
They're not coming across the Bering Sea.
Yeah.
They are the natural guardians of our race and civilization and religion against the Chinese.
They're one and a half billion Chinese.
They're swarming into America in huge numbers.
And friends of mine who know Chinese, children of President missionaries to Taiwan, have told me that if you could read what's on the internet on Chinese websites, it would scare the bejesus out of you.
America is the next Tibet.
They took Manchuria, they took Tibet, and America is next.
So Russia is our national guardian to preserve people that look like us.
Russians look like us.
Their language is an Indo-European language.
They share our civilization.
They share our religion.
And they are the natural guardians of Europe against this colossal genetic peril.
We also have an experience that is different from ours.
We're isolated.
We have two large motors.
Well, the Atlantic Pacific Ocean and the polarized cap.
On the other hand, Russia and Ukraine are basically the crossroads of invading armies from Napoleon.
They've had a long experience of being invaded.
And so they're far more nervous when nations start forming alliances on their borders than maybe we would be.
We ought to be.
Anybody should be.
But they've had an experience of alien occupation, invasions, and so on.
But when you look at it economically, we need each other.
We are natural trading partners.
They need what we produce.
We need what they produce.
There is no reason why we should not have a flourishing economic relationship with them.
They are our people.
They look like us.
They share our religion.
They share our race.
They share our civilization.
But America has taken the exact opposite attitude.
It has taken an attitude of hostility, confrontation, effort to topple the Russian government, efforts to create alliances on its borders, efforts to overthrew the government of Ukraine in 2014.
Our Under Secretary of State, Victoria Newman, her conversations with the American ambassador were intercepted by the Russians and published.
Instead of being shocked at what this woman was saying, because she said we're going to overthrow the government of Ukraine because they want good relations with Russia, and we want to install a nation that will be hostile and confrontational to Russia.
And we have the list of people that we will put in charge of Ukraine.
And the American ambassador said, well, the European Union might be upset about that.
And this elegant member of the community replied and they intercepted the conversation, fuck the European Union.
Is this an America we can be proud of?
I don't think so.
But she's back now under Biden, and she's a major force.
She has the same historic racial hatred of Russians that Jacob Schiff had, and that the editors of the New York Times and the people in the National Radio and their type all through America, they hate Russia.
They hate Russians.
They backed this Bolshevik revolution.
They backed the slaughter of the imperial family.
They backed the famine.
They lied about the famine in the New York Times and said it wasn't taking place because they were happy to have millions of white Christians dying of starvation.
That seems like an extreme statement.
I think it's a pretty obvious truth.
Yeah, Sam, let me ask you this real quickly.
What is it that the Jews hate the Russians for so much?
Well, it's really a very unpleasant subject.
I hate to deal with it.
I have known Jews that I have liked and still know Jews I like.
And I have relatives who are Jews.
But still, the fact of the matter is, to sum up not only the problem they have with Russia, but the problem they have with us in the United States, the essential problem with the Jewish community is that they are necessarily hostile and adversarial to any country in which they live.
They cannot continue to exist as a people without being adversarial.
If they cease this hostile attitude, they would end up intermarrying like the French people.
Assimilated.
And they would disappear.
The only way they can survive is being hostile.
And the Russians were aware of this hostility.
And they've had centuries of experience with them.
And the Tsar's policy was to protect the Russian people from them.
And that is intolerable to them.
And that's why they hated the Tsars.
That's why They promoted, well, the reasons they promoted the Crimean War, to prevent the Russians from liberating the robbing of the prosperous.
Yeah.
The Tsar, Nicholas I, tried to get Britain and France on board, and he offered an agreement by which Russia would not annex any territory, and Constantinople was simply given to Greece.
But the Prime Minister of Britain and the government of France, like the governor of the United States, as President Taft, didn't want that.
They were under the control and being bribed.
And the interest of the community came ahead of the interest of the people who they were supposed to represent.
We're going to take a quick break.
Our first of the night.
Don't worry, a very unusual show in which we're going to have one guest for two hours.
Sam Dixon talking about Russia, Carlson, Putin.
It's all coming up.
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Folks, after all these years, any time I can sit entirely enthralled by what I'm hearing a guest say, I hope you can as well as the listening audience.
And you had over the course of the last 30 minutes just a little bit, just a tiny bit of history.
You understand that we are confined by the constraints of commercial talk, radio, and time and all of that.
But wanted to, I thought it was important that we start that way with Sam to give you a little bit of background and now moving forward we are to this interview.
But even with that, we will still be interweaving some of these thoughts and ancillary issues.
But Sam, let's just a quick answer on this, just a quick answer on this, and then I have a part B to this question.
The table having now been set, the Tucker Carlson interview with Vladimir Putin has been the biggest political news story in the world this past week.
What was your general opinion?
Well, I think highly of Tucker Carlson, and I was very happy that he, as a great journalist, did this interview.
The FTS, the New Laf, when I was in college, used to like to say that the action is in the reaction.
And as you and I discussed previously, there's so much to learn, not merely from the interview, but the reaction throughout the United States to the interview.
But you would think anybody would be happy to hear the other side, but not in America.
In America, we're never allowed to hear the other side.
We live in a not today's America, at least.
Well, I think that's always been the case.
It was the case under Franklin Roosevelt, the case under Woodrow Wilson, it was the case under President Clinton McKinley.
This is a tree, a poisonous tree with a very deep taproot in American history.
And the idea that, oh, it's so terrible that Putin might subvert the American people.
All the American journalists, the prostitutes, were all carrying on that, oh, Tucker Carlson is no journalist.
This shows how bad he is because Putin is going to be allowed to lie to the American people.
We get nothing but lies about Russia.
The idea that a two-hour interview is going to be so dangerous should tell you something about the fact that most of these journalists know it's a pack of lies, what they tuddle.
Anyway, so I was happy to see it.
No doubt about it.
I would like to say that it was a great interview.
I don't think it's a great interview.
I think it was a C grade or C minus grade interview for a number of reasons.
Putin himself started out with a long history lesson.
And the fact is, Sam, will you pardon this interruption?
Can I interrupt you just for a moment?
I want to let the audience know.
You're in charge.
You're the boss man.
You are Sam Dixon, and you are our guest.
And I'll always refer to the guest.
He's a very humble man with much to be humble about.
Certainly less than me, but in that regard, I have much more than you.
But I want to tell the people that we are going to, I have collected some reaction to this from Paul Craig Roberts, Chuck Baldwin, Ron Paul.
We're going to get Sam's reaction to their reaction.
But before he got into that.
But also, Putin said he was somewhat disappointed in Carlson.
Well, I don't know what that was all about.
But I mean, he obviously chose Carlson because he knew it was going to be a favorable interview.
He could have had any other ones that would have given him the adversarial type of interview that he claimed to have been wanting.
But regardless, Sam, you're about to get into what Putin was talking about for at least the first several minutes of the interview.
And to that, I would ask you, to whom was he speaking?
And I appreciated the thousand-plus-year history of Russia, but he has to know that Americans, and I'm trying to put this gently, but I don't know any other way to put it than most Americans, the vast majority, are functionally retarded in terms of their own ignorance or their own country, Keith.
I mean, they don't know the belligerents in World War II, the war between the states.
They have a very short attention span, very ignorant, historically speaking.
In this interview, Putin, Sam goes back 1,200 years to the founding of the Rus.
The effects of dysgenics here in this country have rendered an interview like this almost useless for so many.
They don't have the interest or the attention span.
And he certainly wasn't trying to do it to change the minds of our elite.
They're already bought and paid for.
He knows that.
And by the way, though, and this was something that came out in one article that I read about this, it's worth noting that over 80% of the world's population lives in countries which have no quarrel with Russia.
And to them, Putin may be the most respected leader globally.
So my question to you, Sam, is this.
Was his audience the wider global community that may watch this in an unfiltered internet way that Twitter has given us that isn't under the occupation of the American media?
To whom was Putin speaking?
Well, I can't help believe he was speaking to the American people.
The other people don't need to be spoken to.
They get it.
They understand.
Okay, good answer.
I shouldn't diverge, but I will.
I used to go to Washington a lot.
I still go there sometimes.
So I would go to Washington on political stuff four or five times a year.
And I would take the cabs before Uber.
And with only one, with one exception, all of the cab drivers I ever had in Washington were aliens.
They're from every country of the globe, Somalia, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Korea, and I would draw them into political conversations.
Every single one of these people understood how America works.
Who's in charge of America?
They get it.
So I think when you get outside the United States, and our satellite countries, which we control, like Germany, I think people get it.
And so he shouldn't be wasting his time speaking.
This is a time to speak to the American people.
But I don't think he knows how to do that.
He's a foreigner.
You have to be, you know, I'm an American.
I hasten to say I'm very critical of America, but I am an American.
My family goes back to the 1600s in America.
My father was descended from a general in the Revolution.
I'm as American as you can get.
But I'm very aware of the shortcomings of my people and what's happened to how they've been dumbed down and conned and used and misled.
I'm very aware of that.
It makes me very angry, not only with the people who have done this, but our own people, that they are such ready-made material for this kind of garbage and to be misled.
As I've said to you, you would think after all the lies that have been told by this government to justify these wars, the Lusitania, the Spaniards have sunk the Maine, the Lusitania, the Japs have attacked Pearl Harbor with no for no reason, the Tonkin Gulf resolution, the weapons of mass destruction.
How many times is Charlie Brown going to keep running and trying to kick the football while Lucy's moving the football?
Damn it, wake up.
And we've been conned over and over again, and we're always ready for the next con.
But anyway, that's what's going on here.
Putin should have been speaking American.
I think he was.
But when I was a young lawyer, I had to be retrained after I got out of law school by the firm.
And part of that was that when you're in college and you're interested in intellectual things, the way we do things is we start with little facts and we build up to a conclusion.
And it was explained to me in the trial lawyer seminars I went to that that's not how you deal with people.
You have to start out and knock them dead.
You can't gradually go up.
Their minds drift.
So if you've got a case, you start out with the fact that my client came home and found her husband in bed with a paper boy.
That's what.
That's what you start out with.
You don't start out about little things.
And he started out this long dissertation on history.
So my guess is that 19 out of 20 Americans were turned off by the end of that.
Well, that's what I was saying.
All three of us certainly liked it, but for the average, it may have overestimated the lay American.
Well, I like that.
But there were bad things about it.
And Tucker picked up on that.
It was an independent interview like you would not get from somebody like Addison Cooper or Mr. Kelly.
He pointed out, well, you're talking about the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
You're trying to regain the boundaries you had back then or something.
There was a lot of material that could be used by those who want to stir up wars.
The Cheneys and people like that, Mitt Romney, the Bushes, the Schumers who want these wars.
There's a lot of material that go, oh, he wanted the boundaries of Lithuania, Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the 1500s.
He wants to take over Poland and Hungary.
And he didn't emphasize the things that we were talking about earlier: that Russia is the guardian against China.
I guess he couldn't do that because they've had to make an alliance with China because we've forced them to arms.
Sam that I found curious was this: I don't think that Americans needed more, didn't need 25 minutes about why Russia feels like they have a claim on Ukraine.
Okay, we'll grant him that.
Okay, what I was really curious about and didn't hear is who does he think is in charge of the American government wanting to try to prevent getting themselves involved in this war on behalf of Ukraine.
We know what question Keith would have asked if he'd been granted the interview.
We got one minute before the next break.
Yeah.
Well, hold on.
Well, there's the music already.
Well, yeah, we knew he wasn't going to go there.
Keith was chopping at the bit last week during the Valentine's Day show to get that question.
Anyway, we'll be right back.
Sam Dixon so generously and graciously given us two hours of his time tonight.
This was something I did not want to rush.
This is something we're really seeking our teeth into.
Very rare we have a guest for two hours, but tonight we're doing it.
Stay tuned.
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Welcome back with the incomparable Sam Dixon.
We are the one and only longtime friend.
I tell you what, the years do go by, don't they?
Here we are now in 2024, 20 years on the air and still doing the best we can with the very best we can bring to you.
And we've got him tonight.
Sam, going back to this, and we're going to get into your reaction to other people's reaction in the next hour.
We've got questions from the audience that have come in for you and so much more.
Thanks again for sticking with us for extended play into the second hour tonight.
I'm very honored.
I get tired of listening to myself.
I'm the honor that everyone wants to listen to me.
I lie awake in my bed at night looking in the inky blackness.
I mean, is everybody else as tired of listening to you as I am?
Well, I'll tell you.
I was going back today.
I never tire of listening to you.
I was going back today to find when we did those interviews right after your trip from Russia.
You came right home from Russia, got on the radio with us, and that was 2018.
And I was looking through the dozens and dozens and dozens of interviews we've done with you over the years.
It's always great.
Tucker, all right, two-part question here.
To wrap up this part of the conversation, I would ask you, you've already touched on this, but Tucker's line of questioning or lack thereof.
I do appreciate, and you gave the obvious answer.
Putin was talking to the American people.
I think he may have overestimated our intelligence here, not our interest in basically why Russia thinks they have a claim to Ukraine.
Anybody, well, anybody who's been turned out of the public education system in the last 30 to 40 years, it just went way over their heads.
But his line of questioning or lack thereof, Sam, and I do appreciate that he gave Putin the opportunity to speak, just speak at length without interruption.
And were there any missed opportunities for Putin?
Anything he should have said or done differently, in your opinion?
He should have let out with the strongest argument.
He should have let out with the American role in overthrowing the government of Ukraine in 2014 and the role, the documented,
the undeniable admissions by Victoria Newland, who's now back in the government with Biden, that they wanted to overthrow the government of Ukraine precisely because that government of Ukraine wanted friendly relations with its neighbor.
As an American, this is something that deeply offends and angers me.
America has no business going around the world trying to create friction between neighbors.
This is not something that our system of morals or our religion countenances.
It doesn't bring anything to America.
It only brings pleasure to Victoria Newland, which is a name that she bought.
That's not her birth name.
And people who, like her, have a hereditary hatred of Russia because of their own problems.
That's what he shouldn't have started out with, in my opinion.
And he should have started out, he should have emphasized the things that bind us together: why we should be friends, not sharing any border with Russia, being the defender, the guardian of the gates of our ancestral homeland, our shared religion.
He should have said that to try to reach the American people to make them see that what is being said by the American media and the American government is simply a pack of lies and a vindictive, malevolent, ill-spirited pack of lies.
He should have done that.
He should have emphasized something else.
And that is, when all this stuff began really boiling up, when Zelensky, who was not a Ukrainian, was made head of Ukraine and all this stuff was boiling up.
You know, Russia, Russia had three things she wanted.
She wanted an agreement with solemn treaties with Ukraine and the United States and NATO that Ukraine would stay out of NATO.
That's a very reasonable thing, given their history of invasions and hostile neighbors.
It's a very reasonable request.
And you don't have to be a member of NATO to be part of the European Community of Nations.
Switzerland is not a member of NATO.
Well, what is the big agenda of bringing Ukraine into NATO?
What does that bring to us?
Nothing.
He wanted Ukraine to stay out of NATO.
He wanted an agreement that Ukraine would never allow foreign troops stationed on her soil.
And he wanted a treaty like that that we entered into with the Communist Soviet Union around 1955, by which everybody got out of Austria, the Americans, the British, the French, and the Soviets.
And Austria was set up as an independent nation with an agreement that it wouldn't join NATO.
It wouldn't let NATO troops or Soviet troops on its soil.
That was very recently.
And what was the reaction of this evil person who heads our country, this evil Biden?
His reaction was that he said, oh, America never intends for Ukraine to enter NATO.
We all know that's a lie, but that's what he said.
And he said, it will never go to NATO.
There's never going to be any foreign troops.
So we're in agreement with all this.
But don't ask us to put it in writing.
We're not going to make a treaty.
And Biden did that after everybody knows that when the Soviet Union fell and a genuine Russia emerged, we promised in the Minsk Accords that we would not bring NATO to the borders of Russia.
Angela Merkel, our satellite ruler for Germany, she had gloated that we said that in order to con the Russians and to pull the wool over their eyes because we always intended to do the opposite.
Putin would have to be an idiot to believe Biden and the United States after the Minsk Accords, which are admitted to be a trick by these people that wanted to foment division, want confrontation, and so on.
That should have been dealt with.
He should have said that very, very right there.
All of this could have been avoided by a treaty that would have accomplished exactly what Biden and Zelensky said at the time.
We now know from what the Russians found in Ukraine, there already were foreign troops.
We already had provided Ukraine with labs and things to build guns and bombs and stuff.
We were already arming Ukraine.
We've been arming Ukraine ever since we installed a hostile government in 2014.
But he did allude to these things.
Amen.
But I thought he alluded them very ineffectively.
Well, you can say this too.
Basically, we've lied to the Russians ever since the fall of the Soviet Union.
We've made all sorts of promises about, you know, if you dissolve the Warsaw Pact, we're not going to move an inch further to the east, you know, and it's one lie after another.
Why in the world would the Russians give any credibility to any commitment made by the United States?
Well, that's the government in light of their past history.
Keith, that's actually a question that just came in two minutes ago from a listener.
Asked Sam about the broken promises made by the U.S. about NATO expansion.
Yep, there you go.
Yeah.
Well, also, look at the whole history ever since Franklin Roosevelt became president of how the U.S. nurtured communism in the Soviet Union and around the world.
When the coup failed and the Communist Party was outlawed, and Yeltin met with the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church to indicate that the old Russia was back, they had a horrific economic situation.
They were hungry.
They were starving.
Now, some of us old people, like Keith, you're too young to remember.
Thank you, Sam.
Keith and I will remember under Nixon the big grain treat.
You remember that, Keith?
I was actually involved in the Cook Industries, which was the first American grain dealer to sell grain to the Russians.
Yeah, we had a policy of shipping grain at bargain prices or free to the Soviet Union to help the Soviet Union.
That was under Nixon.
And the Russians begged for food.
Germany, for one of the first times since the war, independently said they would send food to help the anti-communist government make it through the winter.
George Bush I, the CIA, former CIA director, part and parcel, as all the Bushes are, of the U.S. military-industrial complex, the blood industry, like the Cheneys, he announced that the U.S. would not send any food to Russia.
And he said, why, the communists might come back.
They might take over.
And if we send food, why the communists would get the food.
This from a government that sent food to the communists.
And it's just obvious, gobbledygook.
Obviously, they wanted communism back because they loved it when they could keep the American people obsessed with fighting communism while our neighborhoods were being lost to immigrants who were pouring into the country.
We were more concerned about we got to keep Afghanistan free than that we have to keep Texas American.
And the Bushes love this stuff.
People forget George Bush I flew to Kiev during all this time and he spoke to the people of Ukraine.
Do y'all remember that?
You ever heard that?
And what he told them was, you need to stay in the Soviet Union.
That was our question.
That was our suggestion.
Well, that was their president, as you say, Sam.
And we have to absure the realm.
I guess it was our.
It doesn't depend what party gets in charge.
Our policy seems to be the same.
I will tell you this, ladies and gentlemen.
You see by now why Sam Dixon was the first, second, and third choice for tonight's conversation about Russia, Putin, Carlson, and why we couldn't limit him to only one hour.
Thankfully, he has agreed to stay for a second hour.
We asked him just minutes before the show started.