Feb. 3, 2024 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the Political Cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
All right, it has been an exciting night, and we're going to end it in grand fashion this evening with Michael Gaddy, constitutional scholar, columnist, founding member of the Minuteman Project.
He's going to offer his expert analysis on the situation at the border, which he is well qualified to do.
In just a moment, we're going to bring Michael on, and we're going to have him for the remainder of the hour.
Also, host of his own broadcast, which you can find at RBN and elsewhere.
He is a longtime friend, and it's coming full circle tonight.
I cut my teeth with Mike Gaddy talking about border issues, and now it's back in the forefront in ways that I don't know if it's ever been in my career.
But before we get to Mike, very quickly want to say hello to Rick Tyler, who everybody knows Rick Tyler, a regular on this program.
He was actually down here and is down here still in Florida, and we've been talking all night about, hey, we're broadcasting live from Orlando.
Steve King on the program tonight here with us.
Steve Stockman from Texas over the phone, Peter Brimlow over the phone.
Just, Rick, in 60 seconds or less, just tell the folks what we've witnessed this weekend, as you put it an interesting cross-section before we continue on tonight's stated purpose with Mike Gaddy.
Yes, it is indeed an interesting cross-section of people coming from different angles and perspectives of what I would refer to as the overarching quest for truth, greater truth.
And it's exciting to see so many people.
And as you and I talked about earlier, very often something can be a stepping stone to people coming into greater truth.
And we know there are a couple of truths that are somewhat verboten, the forbidden truths, you know, that the ultimate cutting edge of truth.
I think some people here are there.
Yes, the political cesspool happens to be on the leading edge of that.
So the exciting thing is that some of these people at this conference this weekend may be on their way in their journey to those greater truths.
I've talked to a few people.
It seems like they are.
And it's been an interesting cross-section of topics, everything from vaccines to trafficking, tax-related issues.
Steve King and I talking tomorrow about familiar topics.
And anyway, it's the Restore Freedom Rally put on by the Freedom Law School.
And anyway, Rick's going to sit in with us as we continue to talk with Michael Gaddy.
Michael, welcome back.
So good to have you.
Couldn't have done this show.
Wouldn't have done this show without you.
This is the show.
I had to have Mike Gaddy.
How you doing, brother?
Hey, I'm doing great, James.
And thank you for asking me to come along.
No, no, no.
Listen, this is one, as I said, going all the way back to 2005.
Every time you're on, it feels like we retell this story and appropriately so and deservingly so.
But you calling in on a payphone, they still had payphones back yet at the quarter end.
You remember how those work?
In 2005, every night, Mike Gaddy would walk over to a payphone at the trading post there on the border, and he would relay to us what the operations were with the Minuteman Project.
We did that for a full month, April 2005.
We have been fast friends, made fast friends, been friends ever since.
But now, here we are.
Relate a little bit more about your history with the border, Mike, and why we're having you on this show.
And then we're going to get to the meat and potatoes of it.
Well, actually, the fine details of it.
All right, brother.
Here's the thing.
You know, first thing I wanted to mention, and most people are unaware of this, but I spent quite a considerable time in the bowels of this monster we call government.
I actually worked with the, at the time we called it the no such agency.
I think now they call it the National Security Agency.
So I have a different perspective looking from the inside out.
Most people are looking from the outside in.
But then again, too, I was heavily involved in the Minuteman project in Arizona in 2005.
And I was just looking at the Border Patrol records about where the largest areas of influx of these illegal aliens are.
And there are, I think, five sectors in Texas.
And there's only one sector in Arizona, which is the Tucson sector.
And every year, the Tucson sector has many more illegals coming across than any sector in Texas does.
All right.
So let's fast forward to the present situation.
We've been talking about it all night, but I'd like to come back and circle back and in summation.
Let's get a succinct recap of exactly what's happened that's brought this conversation to the airwaves this evening, starting with the Supreme Court's decision, Abbott's response, Biden's threat, and where we are on February the 3rd as we broadcast live.
How would you encapsulate that, Mike?
Well, let me start off by saying my grandfather told me a long time ago when the river runs backwards, boy, somebody's messing with it.
So we have suddenly, we suddenly have Governor Abbott, who has never done anything in his previous tenure to do anything to actually stop illegal immigration.
And suddenly, after three years of being Karl Marx, he decides he wants to be Patrick Henry.
That troubles me.
I don't trust him.
I don't trust his political connections with the Jewish cabal.
I don't trust that at all.
And the other thing that troubles me also is suddenly, I'm not sure if you're aware, I haven't heard anybody mention it, but Senator Dick Durbin from Illinois last week made a plea before the Senate that because our recruitment numbers are down in our military,
we need to get as many members of these people, these immigrants, we need to get as many of them into the military as we possibly can.
Well, then two days later, none other than Levin, Mark Levin, he comes up with the same idea.
He says, we have to take this country back to the days of Abraham Lincoln.
We must put these migrants into our military.
Well, what happened when Lincoln put 300,000 Marxists into the Union Army?
And that's how many actually served.
There were a large number of brigades that didn't even speak English that invaded the South.
And there were multiple commanders, generals who Lincoln made commanders who were very close friends of Karl Marx.
And the thing that bothers me, and I made this point on my program last Sunday, and that is on Republic broadcasting.
If they bring in enough illegals or migrants, whatever you want to call them, they bring them in and put them into U.S. military uniforms, people, we're going to have the military, when this thing progresses to the point to where they declare martial law, we are going to have members of our own military marching through our streets with guns that we're not allowed to own,
and many of them will not even be able to speak English, just like 1861 to 1865.
All right, let me ask you this.
You brought up an excellent point.
Can we trust Abbott?
I, like you, I was thinking, how'd this guy all of a sudden become Davey Crowdie?
This was one of the weaker Republican governors, in my estimation.
Not to say that any of them are exactly lionhearted, but there was an excellent article I thought at Identity Dixie this week, and I'll just read a couple of excerpts from it, and then we'll toss it to you gentlemen for reaction.
So, what to make of Abbott's showdown with the feds?
As much as we cheer him standing up to Washington, why hasn't he done this years ago?
Here's an admittedly cynical but not unreasonable assessment.
Election 2024 covers colors everything.
Abbott can run for a fourth term in 2026.
In real time, Abbott needs to keep the peace with the millions of Texans, no doubt, threatening to drive to the border themselves, which would be embarrassing and somewhat something optics won't allow.
He probably does care that he has a domestic crisis, but he inherited this active problem the day he was sworn in and has made concession after concession to big business and racial politics to avoid the obvious.
Again, why now?
I doubt that he thinks the showdown with Washington will succeed.
Let me just pause right there.
I asked this question of Congressman King and Stockman earlier.
I fully expected this to have been resolved by now.
I expected that President Biden would nationalize the troops, and Abbott would throw up his hands and say, Well, we fought the good fight, but we'll continue to fight in the court of public opinion.
Do something like Wallace did.
Wallace, I think, probably agreed, believed in his cause much more than Abbott did, but even the schoolhouse stand was a stunt.
He should have called down the thunder right there.
So, has any of this surprised you, Mike, with the fact that you have the 25 GOP governors pledging support?
I think DeSantis has already actually sent some.
The Florida Guard and the Florida National Guard, or has at least promised to, and then, of course, the others are promising as well.
Has it surprised you that Biden hasn't taken action yet?
The consensus with the previous guest was that he can't afford making this the issue in an election year because it's such a bad issue for the Democrats.
But I did expect that this would be a performative defiance that Abbott would have capitulated on already.
And we're two weeks into this, and it hasn't happened yet.
Well, I see it from different eyes, James, and that is this is playing an election year for a reason for both sides.
Both sides can profit from this.
And I know it's going to be hard for people to believe that the Democrats can profit from this, but, you know, we live in a day where elections don't really count because they manipulate them any way they want to.
So elections are out the window, but it is an election year, and they need the people to show up at the polls.
Because we told the people in Iraq: if at least 50% of the people don't show up, it's an ineligible election.
It doesn't count.
So what happens in America if 50% of the people don't show up to vote?
That is a clear no-confidence vote in the U.S. government.
They cannot allow that to happen.
They must have issues which provoke the people to run to the polls.
And that is what they will do.
And James, I remember very distinctly being on the border in 2005 in Arizona with the Minuteman, and I know who shut us down, and it was the Republican Party.
George Bush had called us vigilantes from the beginning.
We had Border Patrol agents telling us that anytime we find a hot crossing where the people are really coming across our orders from Washington are to leave it alone and move somewhere else.
Now, that was what, 19 years ago?
Do we think it's changed?
I don't think it's changed at all.
That is actually the question.
Well, Mike, you bring up a great point.
That is actually a question that our guests were asking one another earlier in the show is that this is a question I think that Peter Brimler directly asked Congressman Steve King is is the House GOP stronger on immigration than they were when you were in office and he said yes he said that it is conceivable that if Trump took this as his issue, that they would back him up.
That would not have happened 20 years ago.
There's no doubt about that.
You didn't have the will.
You didn't have the will.
The base wasn't organized.
Bush was a totally different animal.
Everything was different 20 years ago than it is now.
Well, let me tie something in here that I think is relevant, but it may not sound relevant from the beginning.
But a couple of years ago, those people in the state of Missouri came out with a new act called the Second Amendment Protection Act, where they said that no one could enforce federal gun laws inside the state of Missouri.
Well, guess what?
The Department of Justice, as soon as they came out with it, the Department of Justice filed a lawsuit against the state of Missouri and over an issue that was Second Amendment issue.
It was plain and simple, a Second Amendment issue.
So the Department of Justice files a lawsuit against the state of Missouri, and then they go, and then guess who gets to appoint the judge?
The Department of Justice.
The people who file the lawsuit gets to appoint the judge they want to the case.
And so they assigned federal judge Brian Wimes, who was an Obama appointee.
And so he immediately cites the supremacy clause of the Constitution and says that the supremacy clause of the Constitution overrides the Second Amendment.
Well, if it overrides the Second Amendment, it overrides all of them.
So he made that ruling.
Okay, then it gets appealed to the appellate court, and the appellate court sides with Judge Wimes.
Imagine that.
And then the people of Missouri try to take it to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court refuses to hear the case.
But Justice Gorsuch says and signs a statement that he agrees with federal Judge Wimes.
Well, what they have done, and, you know, everything is precedent.
They've got a precedent now that they can point to.
If the people in Texas say, oh, this is our state right, we've got a right to do this.
They're going to go back to this issue, which says the supremacy clause of the Constitution, Article 6, Clause 2 supersedes the Bill of Rights.
They've already said it once, and nobody complained, did they?
All right.
I want to actually get into the constitutional, well, the potential for a constitutional crisis on this, because again, I don't know anybody who knows the Constitution.
Maybe Rick Tyler.
But I mean, Michael, you are a constitutional scholar par excellence, somebody who knows it frontwards and backwards.
I want to read to you at least the final paragraph in Greg Abbott's letter dated January 24th, 2024 to Biden on the issue of the border.
We'll get to that in just a moment.
But first, I want to toss it over to Rick.
Rick, any commentary, any comments, questions as we continue this conversation tonight that's been three hours and running, or nearly three hours, with these guests, but now Michael Gaddy.
Well, I don't want to diverge, you know, from the track you're on, but I would like to possibly hear our guests' commentary on all of these military-age men that are coming in in the massive waves of migration.
And, you know, what's going on there?
Where are they going?
Does this tie in with the rather well-known fact that large tracts of land contiguous to our military bases have been being scarfed up for quite some time?
To what extent are we looking at the formation of an army on our soil ready, you know, at the command given to them to take action, you know, far worse than anything that anybody really can imagine right now.
And, you know, I think one thing that makes it different now than in 19 years ago is that the degree and the extent of this invasion is so flagrant, it's so in your face, it's so massive, it's so egregious that, you know, almost everybody has to weigh in on the right side of this issue if they have half a brain.
And then this year, especially so volatile, such a tenderbox.
Michael, a comment to Rick's point.
Yes, sir.
That is why I made the analogy that this rings so much like the, you know, we had the invasion of the North in 1848 by the Marxists who were kicked out of Europe and they migrate to the northern United States.
They didn't come south because the South was Christian.
The North was transcendentalism and Unitarianism.
So that was their playground.
They went there, they bought newspapers.
As soon as they started buying newspapers, and then they had Horace Greeley with the largest circulation in America at that time, he had a 200,000 circulation.
And who does Horace Greeley hire to be his editor, but Charles A. Dana?
And Charles A. Dana happened to be a very close friend of Karl Marx.
And then he's there at the, and over 500 essays of Karl Marx are printed in the largest circulation newspaper in America.
And then we have the Republican Party, which was founded in 1854 by communists.
19 of the delegates to that convention were to the Republican, that created the Republican Party, were members of the Communist Party.
And one of their stipulations was that no native-born people be allowed to run their party.
Well, then they come out in 1856 with their candidate, which was John C. Fremont, who was an avowed communist.
And then they finally go 1860 to Abraham Lincoln.
Well, Lincoln, in a year into the war, when the South is basically kicking the Northern butt, Lincoln brings in Charles A. Dana from the newspaper in New York to be his assistant secretary of war.
So we had an assistant secretary of war who was an avowed communist.
And Lincoln called him his eyes.
He's my eyes.
Well, shortly after Dana comes in, they come out with the nondescript Emancipation Proclamation, which freed nobody.
But today it's great rhetoric for people to say, oh, wow, look at this.
He freed the blacks.
No, he didn't.
And so what I'm seeing today, sir, and I hope it's a cogent answer to your question, but I'm seeing way too many similarities in your point about so many of these immigrants being military age young people.
And here's another thing we got to factor in, folks, and that is the fact that our military in 140 different countries has made an awful lot of enemies.
So it makes no sense whatsoever.
I mean, we look, we overthrew the government of Iran.
Now Iran hates us.
over you know we helped overthrow the elected government in the ukraine back in 2012 thank you obama and hillary we overthrew that government and now look what's going on there you know uh we have a criminal element called ms 13.
ms 13 was formed in central america and south america by people who were reacting to our cia run operations in those countries taking over their government So we've got a lot of people coming into this country who not only have no allegiance to this country, but who in many ways hate this country.
And so then we've got idiots like Durbin and Mark Levin saying, well, let's put them all in uniform.
That's exactly what Lincoln did.
What happened to that?
All right.
That is an interesting answer, and I like how you tied that together.
But staying on where we are now, I want to go back.
No, I'll tell you what.
I'll do this after the next break.
Let's go.
Let's stay on the issue of a constitutional crisis.
This is what you were brought on in part to talk about.
And I read this earlier.
I'm going to read it again.
We've had a lot of issues here at this particular broadcast location.
Couldn't print it out, so I'm having to read it, and it's in very small font here on my phone.
But this is the summation of Greg Abbott's letter that were rather the last paragraph to Biden, the Biden administration.
The failure of the Biden administration to fulfill the duties imposed by Article 4, Section 4 has triggered Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3, which reserves to this state the right of self-defense.
For these reasons, I have already declared an invasion under Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 to invoke Texas's constitutional authority to defend and protect itself.
That authority is the supreme law of the land and supersedes any federal statutes to the contrary.
The Texas National Guard, the Texas Department of Public Safety, and other Texas personnel are acting on that authority, as well as state law, to secure the Texas border.
Now, dismissing whether or not Abbott can be trusted or not, constitutionally speaking, is that a sound argument, Michael?
No, he's on, that's great rhetoric.
I mean, that's beautiful rhetoric, and it'll play to the masses.
The problem is, is that, as I stated before, the supremacy clause overrules any law made by any state.
If the federal courts say no, that doesn't matter, even if it's Article 4, Section 4, which as he stated was a very good point because it guarantees that the federal government will protect all the states from invasion.
That's why he used that word.
And so that, you know, is a classic argument, and it sounds very good, except for the simple fact.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18 of the Constitution is the necessary and proper clause, which says Congress can do anything that it feels is necessary and proper.
Okay, then the Supremacy Clause says anything that the federal government does supersedes anything that the states can do.
Now, a lot of people are going to yell, 10th Amendment, 10th Amendment.
Well, folks, if you have not read Richard Henry Lee's letter to Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee was in the first Senate.
He sent a letter to Governor Patrick Henry explaining to him how the federalists had absolutely neutered the Bill of Rights, and he's spot on.
So it happened a long time ago.
All right, so the federal government refuses to protect the international border.
What's the state to do?
Okay.
Are you, You know, if you take them to court, let's always remember that they have the Supreme Court, which is nine very politically well-connected lawyers serving for life with no actual, there is no way to appeal their decision this side of heaven.
So if the Supreme Court says something, it doesn't make any difference what they say if they make a ruling and they can overrule the president, which is absolutely absurd.
Now, if we go back to history, the wonderful Luther Martin from Maryland, before he left the convention and discussed, he had written a clause which said that any Supreme Court decision must have a jury of the people to rule on whether they rule properly or not.
Well, as soon as it got to the Committee of Style and Arrangement, Luther Martin was gone, they did away with that very quickly.
All right, hold on right there.
I am going to read the end point of this article from Identity Dixie that we read from earlier saying, hey, can we trust Abbott?
Probably not.
We've been into some reasons.
But there's a but, and we'll let Michael Gaddy and Rick Tyler respond to that 30 minutes remaining in tonight's live broadcast.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you're enjoying TPC's special coverage tonight, the full three hours on the Texas border issue and the constitutional crisis that may stem from it.
Congressman Steve King, Congressman Steve Stockman, Peter Brimelow of Vidair, Michael Gaddy, our guest tonight, joining me here sort of in a co-host capacity, our friend Rick Tyler, this hour.
And this is a fluid situation.
It's going to change potentially by the day, the week.
We'll see where it goes.
It's anybody's guess right now.
As I said, I was surprised that it hasn't already been unfavorably resolved already.
But Rick, you have been listening with interest and had some praise for Mike Gaddy and also some very interesting points that I think would make for a stimulating conversation this segment.
If you can come close to repeating on air what we were talking about off the air during that last break, I think it'd be fantastic.
Well, yes, James, I was saying to you, of course, that Michael makes an incisive analysis that is very compelling.
It, of course, causes you to think about, you know, different angles of the entire matter.
And, you know, these matters do get rather deep and complicated.
But a couple of principles that popped into my mind listening to him talk, because when we're talking about the supremacy clause and controversy over who's more powerful than whom in these issues, remember the 13 colonies seceded from Great Britain, and obviously it was clearly and flagrantly against the law, you know, and any clause that might exist at that present time.
But, you know, fraud vitiates a contract.
We know that.
And we also know that possession is nine-tenths of the law.
And so when we're talking about something that really, I guess it's never happened before, I can't remember in my lifetime when we've had so little, you know, genuine, legitimate argumentation to try to justify something that's going on.
This is an invasion.
Categorically, unequivocally, we are being invaded right now.
And arose by any other name, it still arose.
You know, this is an invasion.
Mayorkis, the Department of Homeland Security individual, remember this guy ran NGOs and he was a principal operator in Europe for the takedown that's already happened in Europe.
And now they're doing the same thing on steroids here.
You know, it reminded me of after 9-11 when we set up our Department of Homeland Security, none other than Marcus Wolf, the former head of the East German Stasi, was brought in to set up our Department of Homeland Security.
We right now are being taken down.
This is an invasion.
Again, you know, there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
And so, whatever has to be done by a state governor, even if he is duplicitous and of dubious intentions, as Abbott is, nevertheless, if something even remotely resembles doing the right thing at the state level to stop this invasion, this hemorrhage at the southern border, I don't see how we can nod toward the Supreme Court or any other force, the Federalist principles notwithstanding.
But instead, we have to acknowledge that whatever has to be done has to be done.
This is a do-or-die situation.
We've got three Confederates on the line now.
Michael, retort.
Well, I think he's exactly correct.
But here is the thing that I have been saying for 30 years, probably longer than that, since Ronald Reagan in 1987 gave them amnesty, the illegals that were already in this country.
I expect Biden to do the same thing before this election is over, before the election time comes.
I expect him to grant them amnesty, which is going to put them outside of any state action whatsoever.
And I'm just waiting, you know, I predicted he would do that because it worked with Reagan.
But then, you know, all we did when we granted him amnesty was told the rest of them, hey, you want to come over?
Come over.
And you're exactly right.
In 2005, after leaving the Minuteman Project, in June, I wrote an article called, Is this Immigration or Is This an Invasion?
Now, it's quite a long article.
And I was, I got to tell you, this was the lead-on to the fact that Lou Rockwell refused to publish the article.
And that was one of the first things that really troubled me because there was nothing in my article that was offensive whatsoever.
Everything that was in there was documented.
And here's the simple thing that I put into that article: no one can have free immigration as long as you have a welfare system because the wrong people come across.
They want to come across for free stuff.
They don't want to come across to work.
Now, yes, there are some who come across to work.
They are.
But there should be a system set up to where they could come across legally.
And then if they did anything within a certain probationary period, like breaking the law, then they should be forced and kicked out.
But the point of it is, and this is what worries me, if anyone like Biden ever says we're granting them amnesty, we're toast because then we have no constitutional standing to stop it.
That is the thing I'm afraid that people are not even thinking about.
And he has precedent because Reagan did it.
And that is, again, I hate to be redundant, but that is what troubles me.
I see so many angles to where they can work their way around this.
But I do believe that somewhere in the plans of this runaway government is a plan to, at some point, to use some incident, which may be on the border, to declare martial law in this country and to suspend the Constitution, which would make the states totally helpless.
Abraham Lincoln did it in 1861, and it will happen again.
They are going to do this.
I just see too many parallels.
And I think it was, what was his name, Marcus Tullius Cicero, who said that a people who are unaware of their own history will be forever children.
And we look at that today.
How are people acting?
Look around yourself.
Do you see any adults anywhere?
Just my point, gentlemen.
Well, clearly we're in unprecedented peril right now, you know, as far as the lifetimes of those who are on the scene today.
And so, therefore, Michael, let me ask you this, a candid question.
Is there any way that this situation cannot ultimately devolve into warfare, for lack of a better term?
Is there a peaceful way out of this?
No, sir, I don't see one.
There is not a constitutional way out of this because there are too many ways that the federal government can subvert the Constitution.
As you gentlemen mentioned in an earlier hour on this, you never know when someone appoints so-called conservative justices to the Supreme Court.
Are they going to follow that pattern?
And one of the things that I don't think we're thinking about here, and I hope I'm not jumping the rails too much, is the fact that almost every law school in this country is a haven of Marxism.
They teach these attorneys Marxism from the day, from the get-go.
And yet, very little of the Constitution do they teach in law school.
I've talked to too many attorneys, and I know this.
And so here is what happens, you know, is the, in essence, who can you appoint to the Supreme Court?
I can't put James on there.
I'd love to put him on there.
There's other people I would love to see on the Supreme Court, but I can't put any, we can't put anything but a lawyer on there.
And they've already been pre-programmed towards Marxism.
If you go to the major law schools in America and look at the dean of the law school, go in and look at their profile.
They're all Marxist.
So what are they teaching in law school?
It's been a huge plan from the get-go.
And, you know, the point, you know, one of the things that George Mason did, and I know we're jumping back in history, but I think this was very pertinent.
George Mason, who refused to sign the Constitution, said he would rather chop off his right arm than sign it.
He made a stipulation, but it was voted down at the Constitutional Convention that every Supreme Court decision would require ratification by three quarters of the states.
What could be wrong with that?
Let me ask you this, Michael.
Is there a snowball's chance in the lake of fire that Texas could actually make a meaningful act towards secession?
I don't think so because I think that if they did that, I think Biden would do just like Lincoln did and invade the state.
Because ironically, you know, I have mentioned.
I'm sorry, go ahead, gentlemen.
No, listen, I mean, obviously, that's the, I don't want to say the easiest or the safest answer.
It's the most likely to be sure.
But, I mean, if we're talking about percentages, you know, what percent is there?
There were members of the Texas State House that have put forth bills towards secession, and the Texas State GOP delegates have argued in favor of it and put it in their platform.
Of course, now it's just like being your rank and file Southern Baptist at the Pew.
The people who are going to the, who are delegates of the Texas GOP are not necessarily the state legislature or in the state legislature, certainly not in Congress or the Senate or anything else.
They're not the governor.
So there is a difference there, but the base of Texas is certainly amenable to it being put on the ballot.
Now, of course, that's a far cry from the elites.
All revolutions are top-down and so on and so forth.
But I will hazard us to not necessarily believe that things can't move in our favor.
Is it likely, even still to this day?
No.
But is it more likely than it was five years ago, 10 years ago?
I think yes.
And we'll get our esteemed guests' reaction to that, Michael Gaddy, when we come back.
One more segment tonight.
We are live in Orlando, Florida.
Rick Tyler and I are, Mike, joining us over the phone.
The hustle and the bustle of the crowd now starting to refill this room.
We'll be right back.
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All right.
So much to cover, and only one segment remaining.
Going to toss it back to Rick Tyler, who has a quick, I guess, announcement you could say, and then a great question.
I can't wait to hear him phrase it and hear Mike Gatty's answer to it.
Go, Rick.
Thank you, James.
You know, this conference we're at here in Orlando, Florida right now is really a spectacular conference, and I want to really tip my hat to Freedom Law School, the promoting entity.
And of course, tomorrow, Stew Peters, who's also, I believe, involved in the promotion of this event, is slated to speak.
And he's made some major contributions in the broadcasting world and in other ways, too.
He produced the documentary, of course, died suddenly.
Now, speaking of documentaries, a new one has been debuted at this conference tonight.
It's called Slave Nation, and I predict it's going to make more than a ripple.
It will be a great educational tool.
And so the people at this event here, James, even though they don't specialize on some of the favorite topics that some of us specialize in, there is a convergence.
There's a confluence of all of this truth.
It all ultimately is a seamless garment, and it's all important.
It is.
I say even as if it was a surprise, but I got to say, and I told her personally, Minnie Robinson today was really hitting on some of our issues very, very closely.
You wouldn't believe how many people I've talked to just one-on-one, and they're verging on fluency and issues.
You think they'll be ready for me tomorrow?
Because you know the kind of speech I'm going to give.
Oh, yeah.
And I even asked them, I said, are you sure you want me for this particular event?
Are you sure I'm a good fit for this particular event?
They said, no, we want you to come.
We want you to talk about what you talk about.
So we'll see.
But now, back to this.
We'll find out tomorrow.
Steve King speaks, then I'll speak right after.
But you had something for Mike Gaddy, and I can't wait to hear the question.
Just hearing the question gets me excited.
I can't wait to hear his answer too.
Whatever it may be, go.
Well, yeah, and that question, of course, Mike had made the comment that if there were to be a real secession effort by Texas, that Biden would do the same thing Lincoln did back in his day, which, of course, is, you know, march off to war, invade militarily.
And so my question, though, is that, you know, what does secession look like in 2024 versus the 1860s?
It's such a different world.
You know, Biden glibly talking about, well, you know, if you guys are going to rise up and challenge authority, you better have F-16s and military aircraft, blah, blah, blah.
This is ridiculous.
Do we really, in this day and time, think that there is going to be the same type of reaction?
Now, we know there will be the same type of reaction in terms of wanting to quash it and eliminate all possibilities of secession.
But what if Trump really, Trump gets back in, hypothetically?
Trump says, okay, we are going to do something that's going to make wetback, Operation Wetback, look small by comparison.
Michael, what happens at that time, do you think?
I'm really curious.
Well, are you talking about secession?
Is that the whole ball of wax?
You know, this thing is headed toward, you know, when you've got large swaths of the population who, for the first time in over 100 years, are seriously talking about secession.
You know, this is a new dynamic.
It's a new ballgame.
So if Trump is backing.
And it's observable in the polls.
I mean, you've got a majority of Republicans saying they are in favor of it.
Yes, gentlemen, you are.
So, you know, the whole shooting match.
Well, gentlemen, you both are exactly correct, except the Supreme Court has precedent, and it's called Texas v. White, where the Supreme Court rules secession to be unconstitutional.
Now, who's going to defeat that?
Because Biden doesn't really have a question.
You're exactly right.
You're right, Michael.
There's no doubt about that.
I mean, We were just saying, I think we were taking maybe the Andrew Jackson response.
We've let them enforce it.
A law is only as good as your ability to enforce it.
And if these big ifs, I mean, the if it's in capital letters and in the biggest font you can give, if any of these Republicans would actually do anything.
We've been waiting for that all of our lives.
But let me just read this.
This is the last thing I wanted to get in anyway, and then we'll let you close it out, Michael.
This is, again, a wrap-up from the Identity Dixie article that we reposted at our website.
Can we trust Abbott?
I mean, you know, obviously the answer is right now is no until he proves otherwise.
But here is this.
And I think we have to, I don't want it to be a situation where everything's a psyop, everything's, you know, just we're going to lose.
It's inevitable, and everything's going to go against us.
It is.
If this display of defiance is not sincere, he writes, it is nonetheless stimulating.
I can't call Abbott a leader, but this is, in fact, a moment that could bolster legislatures, civilian fervor, and other governors to flex.
A block of states challenging or ignoring federal authority wherever they can during the haymaking season of an election year can still advance important ideas.
We should encourage every attempt.
And this is where I think he gets to something.
The more interesting thing about this drama is not so much about Texas, but how many flashpoints there are.
There's no need to unpack them in detail.
You know what's on the list: war, economic implosion, digital currency, governmental overreach, the Second Amendment crisis, cultural conflict, reaction to the 2024 election, another 9-11.
The Texas showdown or any combination of these could spiral.
That's the thing.
I mean, could something evolve, Michael, that is outside of what their plan is currently?
That's the thing.
I mean, is it possible for things to evolve and to spiral beyond the control of the powers that be?
Well, James, I think I have an answer for that.
I think I have an answer to this situation, but I don't think we're ever going to get enough people to do it.
And very quickly, I would like to quote from James A. Garfield on March the 29th, 1879, in the House of Representatives, when he said, Government is fully aware that they need your consent and participation to maintain its very existence.
A nationwide no vote would abolish the government.
The problem isn't government, but the people that perpetuate its existence, thinking they will change it by voting.
Unquote.
Well, I think also the lesser of evils concept kicks in here, too, because often people, you know, they put the proverbial clothespin on their nose and they go ahead and vote for evil because it's the lesser of evils.
And so, you know, we have so many people that will acquiesce to that mentality.
Well, is it?
I agree with that, John.
How do we break out of the media?
How do you quantify evil?
Go ahead, Michael.
How do you quantify evil?
How do you say one evil is less than the other?
They're both evil.
And I think that's what I think some things are so egregious.
Well, how do we break out, Michael and Rick, with only a couple of minutes remaining of the mindset that so many of our people have?
We're doomed.
Nothing's ever going to go our way.
We're going to lose every time on every issue because that's what has been the case since at least the 1960s.
You know, maybe certainly probably even longer than that.
And how do we break out of that?
Man, there's never any good news.
Nothing's ever really good.
It's always just sort of a fool's gold thing and it's not going to go away.
And then we got to break out of that, right?
Well, the great Butler Schaefer, God rest his soul, made a statement.
He said, what would happen if they gave an election and nobody came?
Is that not secession as it should be?
Well, Rick.
Well, again, and the historical point about the 300,000 communists, you know, being part of the brigade and the forces of the North that invaded the South, you know, I had not thought about that, but that's so profound in and of itself.
If you are mounting your cause, you know, with that type of force, that element of individual making up such a lion's share or a significant portion of your force, then to me, the debate is over as to who's right and who's wrong, who's evil and who isn't.
And I think that we're seeing terms that are that stark and definitive right now because things are just off the chart in terms of the proportions that we're seeing them occur at.
It's unprecedented in my lifetime.
I've never seen anything like it.
Well, and again, the things that are still going on, we haven't even, we've been so focused and rightly so on the border issue tonight.
I mean, the thing in Jordan with the three black service people, I don't mean to laugh, but I mean, you know, and then Biden, apparently, through the Swiss embassy, calls and asks Iran if he can bomb them here, you know, to save face, and they said no.
I mean, this whole thing, the whole, I have never seen a perfect storm of powder kegs that are just sitting there waiting to be ignited, as I have seen here, sort of come together this year, and any one of them could just blow at any moment.
And I don't know.
People say, well, it's because the elites want it to.
I mean, everything.
I don't think they are in control.
They are not omnipotent.
They're not omnipresent.
They make mistakes, and they could be making one right now.
Well, can't believe that.
If I may, the closing here, if I may, and just say this, and I totally believe this.
All of you people out there who believe in secession, you want to get away from the government.
That's what our ancestors wanted to do.
They wanted to get away from the entirety of the government.
So if you really force secession, stop voting.
Because all you do when you vote is authorize this monster.
You give it credence.
You give it credibility.
That is the only thing that's not.
I don't discount that.
No, that's a very valid argument, my friend.
I look at it as you're probably right.
I have always voted, of course.
I throw the kitchen sink at it.
I vote because what else am I going to do on a Tuesday in November?
But we're preparing for other things, too.
But maybe you are right.
Maybe you are right.
Maybe we shouldn't.
I could certainly not.
Rick and I could certainly set out in Tennessee and Trump's going to win by 30 points.
But anyway, go, Rick.
Final word.
Well, here's the problem that I see.
And I agree.
It would be great if it was the ultimate no vote if everybody didn't vote.
But we know that there's this very large percentage of the electorate that is going to vote, and they instinctively gravitate towards the wrong vote.
Well, let's look back at 2012.
Michael Lashman, I know we're running out of time.
2012, you had Twiddle D against Twiddle Dumb.
You had, you know, what was his name from Utah?
I forget right now.
But Romney.
Romney, but you had that, you had the vote, and almost half of the American voting public stayed at home.
The government knew they could.
Well, I was one of them.
I was one of them in that election.
I can promise you.
I did not vote for Romney or Obama, nor did I vote for McCain or Obama.
Now, I did go vote for ⁇ I did vote, I should say.
I voted for Chuck Baldwin one of those years, but I guess that was 08.
Maybe I don't know.
Anyway, hey, great show tonight.
If you missed the first hour, Congressman Steve King, Congressman Steve Stockman, check it out.
Peter Brimlow, second hour.
Michael Gaddy and Rick Tyler this hour.
Michael, I love your brother.
We'll see you soon.
We'll see you in Dixie, and we'll see you there too, Rick.
And we will keep on keeping on, gentlemen.
And thanks for being on tonight.
Michael, we will talk to you again soon.
For everybody who has appeared this evening, our staff and crew, I'm James Edwards from Orlando, Florida.