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	You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
	The political cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
	And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
	And welcome back, everybody, to tonight's live broadcast of TPC.
	It's Saturday evening, February the 3rd.
	You just heard a fantastic hour with former United States Representatives Steve King of Iowa and Steve Stockman from Texas.
	We are live in Orlando, Florida tonight.
	Steve King and I are going to be speaking at an event tomorrow afternoon.
	Steve Stockman joined us from the phone from Texas as we have a three-hour special report on the crisis at the Texas border.
	Crisis in terms of immigration, a constitutional crisis.
	Two, and joining us now, boy, if there was ever a guest whose issue was in this bailiwick, it is Peter Brimelow, the editor of VDARE.com and author of the best-selling book, Alien Nation, Common Sense About America's Immigration Disaster.
	He's going to be weighing in on Texas now following the Congressman.
	Peter, how are you?
	Fine, James.
	Thank you for having me on.
	Well, thank you for being on for this particular show, this important show, with, again, an all-star cast, Steve King, Steve Stockman, now Peter Brimelow.
	So, Peter, I don't want to say this is exciting for you, but this is your issue.
	And I wish that it didn't have to be so tragic and that the repercussions of this so damaging to our nation.
	But for a guy whose extraordinary web zine, VDAIR.com has made this their signature issue.
	You've got to be firing on all cylinders right now.
	What do you make of it?
	Well, you know, it's just taken a long time, hasn't it?
	Alien Nation was published in 95.
	But you're right.
	I mean, one of the really interesting things that's happened, and Brad over at Art Central Incentive is very good on this, is that there simply are no pro-immigration Republicans left in the base now.
	Of course, the donors are pro-immigration on the Washington Electoral page is pro-immigration, but the party itself is clearly an immigration patriot party.
	And at some point, that's going to prevail.
	It's not going to help Nikki Haley at all because she's obviously out of the Jeb Bush mold.
	The question is, well, what can we get done about it?
	I mean, this situation is extreme.
	You know, the amazing thing is, James, it's not impossible that this time next year we could have an immigration patriot president and Republican control both branches of Congress, both branches of the legislative branch.
	controlled by a party that wants to do something about immigration.
	It's clear the House does.
	And the Senate is still lagging behind.
	But if Trump wins, I think it's possible he could win the landslide in the event.
	This is what I was talking with the congressman about in the first hour, Peter, is that I was asking, I was a little bit surprised and I wanted to get their opinion on why Biden hasn't gone ahead and federalized the Texas State Guard yet.
	And they said he doesn't want immigration to be the issue because it's such a terrible issue for the Democrats.
	It would play right into Trump's hand.
	Do you buy that?
	Or do you agree with that?
	You know, he's obviously blinking Biden.
	He doesn't seem to want a full-scale.
	You know, he has not gone ahead and taken this barbed wire down.
	And there may be something to it because what I find is, you know, if you talk to ordinary people in the country, they really don't know what's happening at the border.
	Which is truly starting.
	What, six, seven million people come in come in since Biden basically opened the border on his first day.
	But it's not reported in the mainstream media, and people really don't know very much about it.
	What may change that is that these, I don't like to call them migrants, they're not birds, you know, they're actually infiltrators, but they're trying to show up in northern cities now, you know.
	That's a very, you know, that migrant thing really drives me crazy because, of course, it's a flight of hand that we should never have accepted.
	They're not migrants, they're illegals.
	But, you know, it's trying to show up in northern cities now, and that's obviously disturbing the, you know, people can see them in these cities.
	And so it's just suppressing the news of what's going on at the border is not going to be enough for Biden.
	Now, in my just looking at this, I had, and I mentioned this earlier in the program tonight as well, but I'm going to just replow a little bit of ground with you because I'm interested in your opinion.
	I read the letter that Abbott wrote, and it was very good.
	It was very well-reasoned.
	He basically cited straight on that he superseded the state law superseded federal government here.
	He had the authority to defend the border.
	You can read that.
	It's been widely publicized.
	It's on everybody's websites.
	You can read the clauses and the sections and the articles that he cited.
	I did think, though, that it would be a performative defiance.
	But then you had the 25 governors who have made their statements of support.
	That's good.
	The longer this drags out, I think the better it'll be for our side.
	The tension and division in Washington.
	This is a tinderbox.
	And the political stress level being what it is in this country, you don't know when something is going to take on a life of its own bigger than what people like Abbott might have intended.
	But I guess my question for you is, Peter, though, if Biden did decide to go ahead and make a move here, would push come to shove?
	I mean, at that point, do you really believe that Abbott and the 25 Republican governors who are standing with him would do something, or would they just say, well, we fought the good fight, but obviously, you know, law is the law and so on and so forth.
	As we've seen happen before.
	I think he's getting beyond that.
	And what I think might happen if Biden were to do that is that the House Republicans would finally get the courage to impeach Biden, which is what they should be doing.
	They shouldn't be messing around with the Maorcaus.
	They should have impeached Biden.
	It should have been done as soon as he abrogated all those executive orders that Trump got in place to keep the border secure.
	And they should have done it before the 2022 election, so it was to make clear that the immigration was the big issue.
	If he were to get into a file like that with Texas, I think they might very well impeach him at that point.
	Well, that would be interesting.
	The congressman respectively said in the first hour that they should have a shutdown over the border issue.
	They should shut down the government.
	And of course, Congressman Stockman was involved in the last two shutdowns in the 90s and the mid-2010s, I guess it was.
	But again, with this situation on the border, you've got all of the rhetoric.
	The rhetoric is sharp.
	The rhetoric is very sharp.
	But sometimes things take a life of their own and they don't follow a script.
	So I'm eager to see how this progresses because at some point somebody's going to have to cry, Uncle here.
	Now, I guess, I mean, again, looking into your crystal ball, Peter, does Biden just sort of reroute, as Congressman Stockman and King were saying in the first hour?
	Are he just going to reroute?
	It's not as if the border has been secured.
	Texas has put a plug in it a little.
	I mean, it's not down to net zero immigration in Texas, God knows, but in Eagle Pass, which is where we're focusing on, it has been improved, but it's getting rerouted to Arizona, New Mexico, and California.
	So does Biden just is he just content to let it be rerouted there?
	They're still coming in, so ultimately nothing's changed.
	It's a little harder to get in in Texas.
	Do you think that's the way it plays out?
	Just to consider here through the election?
	I think they probably would like to see the borders on the southwest.
	The numbers on the southwest border fall just simply because they don't want to have to fight over the election year.
	But you know, the funny thing about what the administration has done here is that this gang who's running the Biden White House is clearly not clearly not Biden himself.
	There's a gang of no goodnicks in there who are running it.
	It's the sheer fanaticism about Nipshaw.
	I mean, they are absolutely determined to shove as many illegals into the country as possible at an astounding pace.
	And that causes me to think that they're actually frightened.
	They think they've got to do this while they have a chance, while they've got the chance.
	And that goes back, I think, to 2016.
	I think they were profoundly shocked by Trump winning.
	And they know that this project that they have to elect new people.
	I mean, Musk was talking about it, tweeting about it today, Elon Musk.
	You know, the just aim is to get as many illegals in as possible and then amnesty them and cement and a permanent Democratic majority.
	They know that it could be turned around and stopped.
	It could have been done in Trump's first two years.
	They could have had an immigration motor on, they could have a war, they've got serious deportation.
	They know that it could be done.
	And there's a path to doing it if Trump, you know, if the election works out the way I think it might.
	So they've got to seize an opportunity now to do as much damage to the historic American nation as they can.
	And so for that reason, I think they may very well continue to bring these numbers in.
	They might try to mask it a bit or they might try to slow it down, but essentially they want these people here.
	Because I'm sure they think that.
	One of the curious things that has happened, you know, James, is that there's almost a consent to them.
	Shall we talk later?
	Yeah, hold on right there.
	We're going to take a break very quickly with Peter Brimlow, VDARE.com.
	Check all the latest news on this and VDARE's coverage of the crisis at the border.
	Interesting entry by Eugene Gant a few days ago on Texas and what may be coming.
	We'll be back with Peter Brimlow next.
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	All right, and we're back, and we are live from Florida.
	Peter Brimlow joining us via telephone.
	If you missed Congressman Steve King, Congressman Steve Stockman in the first hour, be sure to check in the broadcast archives, which will be up in just a few minutes after our live broadcast concludes tonight.
	Still Michael Gaddy to come.
	In the third hour, we are talking about the situation at the Texas border, not just the crisis of immigration, but perhaps the coming constitutional crisis if this thing escalates.
	So, Peter, you were making a point right before the break.
	I'd like to invite you to continue making it.
	Well, James, what I was saying is it goes to this point as to how much things have changed.
	I mean, there's almost a consensus emerging now among the Republican candidates, including, I think, Nikki Haley, that there has to be serious deportation after this next election.
	Trump is saying, you know, mass deportation, the largest deportation ever.
	Of course, that's absolutely critical to get these people out of the country.
	And I don't know that anybody gives any serious thought to how to do it.
	It's not as difficult as it appears because once they realize that with Jake Zelp, you know, most of them many of them will just go home anyway.
	That's what happened during Operation Wet back in the 50s when Eisenhower solved the earlier illegal immigration crisis.
	The other thing that we found is that there's a consensus among Republicans in Congress that something has to be done about both of our citizenship, which of course is, but both of our citizenship is like an internal wall.
	You can have wall on the border, but if you have both of our citizenship, it means that the illegals will get in here and have children.
	Those children will not be citizens.
	And they may stay around, but they're not going to be affecting the vote, which is what the Democrats actually want them here for.
	So that's obviously something that should be done right away.
	It's not going to as much publicity as mass deportation, but it does seem to be surprisingly widespread among Republicans in Washington.
	Something ought to be done about it.
	All right.
	I wanted to circle back to something you said just a moment ago about how this could be something where if you have Trump, obviously, and you have a Republican Party that has increasingly warmed to the idea of a secure border.
	Now, this was obviously something that the Republican Congress wasn't very good on prior to Trump, but it has been remade in his image in large part on that issue.
	Now, just a few days ago at a rally, President Trump said that the first thing he will do when he's sworn in is usher in the largest deportation in American history.
	Now, of course, campaign promises, campaign rhetoric, and what is actually done once someone is elected.
	It's normally a wide gap in between the two.
	Build the wall, we're going to make Mexico pay for it, so on and so forth.
	But that doesn't mean that he might not necessarily want to.
	Do you have any reason to hope that an emboldened Republican Congress on the issue of immigration, coupled with an ascendant and hopefully vengeful Trump in a second hypothetical term, would make a move on immigration, or is this just something that is meant to get people into the polls?
	No, I think the problem is the base, they're afraid of the base.
	If you notice, Senator Lankford in Oklahoma proposing this, what is essentially an amnesty bill.
	They're trying to smuggle an amnesty through under the guise of getting the border under control.
	He's been censored by his own party in Oklahoma.
	That's obviously not something that they like to see, the possibility of primary challenges.
	So, yes, I do think there's a possibility of, you know, the thing is, I think they've learned a lot.
	It takes people time to learn a new issue.
	And I think they are, in fact, so slowly learning the immigration issue.
	The Border Bill that's been passed by Congress, HR2, is apparently a very good bill.
	Of course, the Senate won't take it up.
	And it doesn't look like these Republican negotiators in the site have gotten anything.
	We don't know what they've gotten because they haven't released the bill yet, although they say they want to vote on it next week.
	Ludicrous situation, of course.
	But generally, I think there's much more determination to do something, if only out of sheer self-interest.
	How would you, Peter, being someone who has had so much experience in the media, the regime media, having been both an editor with Forbes and Market Watch in your illustrious career, and then being on the receiving end of it as an immigration patriot with V-DARE, you've been on both sides.
	Well, you've always been on the right side, I should say, but you've been targeted and you've had some experience from working within the other side, National Review and so on and so forth.
	But the media coverage of this, just to give you one example, this is USA Today, and I flagged this one, a USA Today article.
	Headline reads, Eagle Pass braces for its next conflict.
	A Texas town, the sub-headline reads, has become the site where state officials face off with the federal authorities over who will control international migration.
	There's your word, Peter.
	Eagle Pass and the crosshairs of an Abbott-Biden border standoff.
	Then the story reads, last week the Supreme Court ruled, obviously this is a few days old, the federal agents could remove Texas's border wire.
	In response, Texas Governor Greg Abbott defied the court order, fueling a growing standoff over constitutional authority at the border.
	Eagle Pass, Texas is now bracing for what's ever next as public city areas are overtaken with Abbott-sponsored border security initiatives.
	So obviously, Abbott's the bad guy here.
	He's making things disruptive.
	He's kind of mucking up their utopia down there at Eagle Pass by putting up these security measures.
	Nothing surprising there at all in terms of the media coverage, but I would still like to make mention of it and at least get one of our guests on record tonight on how the media is covering this.
	Well, I mean, generally, they've most importantly told us to press the news.
	I was talking to, you know, Lydia Sammers from Texas, and I was talking to my father-in-law the other day, and he tells me that people he knows in Dallas, I since they have no idea in Dallas, since they have no idea what's going on at the border.
	He knows about it because he seems to be there, but to extraordinary extent, said people, no idea, no idea what's going on.
	And now, of course, with this, you're right.
	coverage of the coverage of the taxes clash, of course, is very part of that.
	But, you know, I have to say that we've got to be careful with our Supreme Court ruling, you know.
	They didn't order the Biden taxes had to take the wire down.
	In fact, they're not actually ruling on the underlying court case at all.
	It was a temporary injunction that they have.
	So I don't think the legal situation there is quite as bad as you might think.
	Well, if you don't mind, Peter, we just, a little surprise for you here.
	Congressman King actually just walked right back into where we were broadcasting, heard you were on, and put his headset back on.
	So here he is now to say hello, Steve King and Peter Brimolo.
	Well, Peter, I'm glad to hear from you and glad to know that you're still out there fighting the good fight.
	It gives me a lot of encouragement.
	And my wife thinks that I ought to be retired, but yours doesn't think you ought to be.
	And so I'm going to do it until my last breath.
	And even after that, I'm going to come back and haunt him.
	How about you?
	You have to come and speak first at the Berkeley Springs Castle one day, Congressman.
	We're having conferences here now.
	So you must come and see it.
	He wants you to come to the V-Dair Castle and give an address.
	I have taken a look at that, and I hope one day I can do that.
	What would the dates be that would make that available, Peter?
	Well, we have a conference in April, but I think I specify.
	We'll get you to talk to me about it.
	There's a conference in late April.
	But if you were coming, we would try to put something on special.
	You've got to do something special for Steve King.
	You've got to be the only one.
	I'm just a regular guy with an irregular job, so I don't need the red carpet so much, although I just came back from that one.
	And I've taken a good look at the castle that you have there, and that's just terrific.
	So it is something I want to do.
	And hopefully we can connect offline and figure out a way.
	They've got me plenty busy in Iowa right now defending our constitutional rights, but we were talking about the border, and I know you have to be doing that too, and how we're going to secure that and what's going to happen politically if we don't secure that.
	I think the American people will rise up.
	They're not going to tolerate this much longer.
	Well, Peter, while we have Congressman King on, and we just have a minute or two before our next break, how about a question from you for the Congressman?
	I guess I would say, Congressman, do you think that the situation in Congress has improved since you were assassinated?
	I mean, you were treated very, very badly by your colleagues.
	Do you have the sense that they're now more attuned to the immigration issue?
	He's asking if Congress has approved on this issue.
	Sorry for having to repeat the question, Peter.
	It's that the headset here in the remote broadcast in the background noise.
	Yeah, signaling.
	Peter's question for you was, has the congressional, the House GOP congressional medal been strengthened on the immigration issue since your time and since your time there?
	Well, no, I don't think it's strengthened.
	I mean, we pushed that pretty hard and we had some support.
	But we had people on there that didn't want to fix immigration.
	John Boehner was one.
	Paul Ryan was another.
	I'm naming the stabing the speakers up the line.
	Kevin McCarthy, even less.
	Now we have Mike Johnson as the Speaker of the House.
	That does help.
	And I'd say that is an improvement.
	And I think that was his question.
	Is it better now than it was when you were there?
	Yeah, and I'd say that I don't know that it's better when I arrived there, but it's better now than it was a year ago.
	Yes, no, that was the question.
	That was the question.
	And I think Mike Johnson's a good man.
	He's a kind of a quiet fellow.
	He's a full-spectrum constitutional Christian conservative.
	He supports a strong social agenda from the conservative side and a strong fiscal responsibility gender.
	And he wants to secure the border.
	He's not as strong a personality as it might take to roll some of these people that are working against him, however.
	Well, I'm listening here with the background noise for when the music starts.
	Do you think this was something that Peter and I were talking about?
	Do you think that Trump, if and when he's re-elected and a Republican House, would have the will to really throw down the hammer on the immigration issue?
	If Trump is saying as soon as he gets elected, it's going to be the greatest deportation we've ever seen.
	Well, he has to do better than Eisenhower, then, but I hope he does.
	And I do think if it's a mandate, that if it's a mandate from the American people, that there's an election tsunami, which is what it's probably going to take, then that mandate can be carried out.
	But to deport 40 million people.
	Oh, I just figured this out on the way down here on the Florida trip.
	I know this math.
	I hear the music.
	I've got to turn your headset up again.
	Maybe if you're with us after the break, we'll continue with Peter Brimelow.
	You can tell us this method.
	We've got to take a quick look at it.
	Then I'll hand it back to Peter.
	All right, Steve King and Peter Brimelow.
	We'll be right back.
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	All right, then we are back with Peter Brimelow, who is the featured guest of this hour.
	Again, if you're tuning in late or if for any other reason you missed the first hour with Congressman Steve King and Congressman Steve Stockman, be sure to go back to our broadcast archives.
	Check it out.
	Steve King making a surprise that's encore here in the second hour with Peter Brimelow.
	And you're going to tell us a quick story about some calculations you had on the drive down to Florida this week.
	Yes, and I'm going from memory here.
	I'm going from memory here, but my wife punched the calculator, so I have to put that little clause in there that is a disclaimer.
	However, we were going down through the Florida turnpike, running at about 78 miles an hour on that.
	And I'm watching these cars going by and how many people are being moved.
	And I'm thinking, they've been telling us that it's impossible to deport all the illegal aliens.
	And so I'm thinking, well, logistically, what would that really take?
	So I thought, well, if you take a Kia or whatever that Mexican car is, a Sonora or something like that, and you put six illegal aliens in that car and you send it off down the road to across the Rio Grande somewhere, anywhere south of there is fine.
	And so six of them at a time, and you need three seconds separation between each vehicle in order to be safe.
	That's your reaction time.
	So that's 20 vehicles a minute.
	And with three seconds of time, 20 vehicles a minute with six people in it times 60 seconds, 60 minutes per hour, times 24 hours a day times 365 days of the year.
	If you just set them up in one-lane convoy running down at 60 mile an hour, how many illegals could you deport in a year?
	And this comes, Peter does stuff like this, by the way.
	And I came up with this number of 62 million in only a year, a single lane of traffic.
	So who says it's too hard to deport all these people?
	You can let them keep the key and it'd still be cheaper than what you told out that give it back to the Chinese.
	Some of the Chinese will be driving it as far as I'm concerned.
	What do you think, Peter?
	Does that math add up?
	Oh, it's a simple matter.
	They came and they can go.
	It's as simple as that.
	I don't even know that you need major.
	I think most of them would leave if they realized the graded trade was over.
	I mean, you heard on the news in New York City, they're actually handing out credit cards to these illegals with several thousand dollars on them.
	So as long as they're doing that, these people are going to stay.
	When they stop doing that, they'll leave.
	That's the real problem here: the federal government and these NGOs are actually financing this massive displacement.
	If that can be stopped, the incentive structure will completely halt it.
	I heard in an immigration hearing, we had Rosemary Jenks of Numbers USA testifying, and the Democrats decided they were going to take her apart on her testimony when she advocated for deportation.
	And they said, well, what are you going to do?
	Are you going to put them all on planes and buses and send them back to their home country?
	How can you do that logistically?
	And she just looked at him and said, they can go home on their own.
	Well, how are they going to do that?
	She said, they got here somehow, used the same method to go home.
	It was really simple, and she slammed the door on that argument.
	You do hear people wringing their hands and trying to come up with complicated schemes to get them out if ever the will were to do that, which I think increasingly we are reaching that point where there is the political will to do it.
	There's certainly the will amongst the based.
	Yeah, it's probably simpler than any of us realize.
	Well, they had enough initiative to come through the Darien Gap.
	They ought to have enough initiative to get back south of the Rio Grande.
	Peter?
	One of the things we do is look at the immigrant workforce population.
	And you can work the numbers out from the Department of Labor's multiple reports.
	And the workforce population has been consistently growing for a very long time.
	But the first month, directly after the election, through 2016, it actually suddenly fell.
	It started to fall before Trump was even inaugurated.
	They thought the end had come and they left.
	We ran an article from somebody on the border, with contacts on the border, saying people driving past him with washing machines in the back of the car and stuff like that because they thought there was going to be a serious crackdown.
	Now, of course, that reverse took when they realized how Trump wasn't able to get control of Congress and so on.
	But by the end of his administration, before COVID, the immigrant workforce population was again falling in absolute terms because of all these regulations and executive orders he got in there.
	And then, of course, COVID came and it fell very, very dramatically.
	But I mean, he was able to do something.
	And they respond to incentives.
	And he's just got to change the incentives.
	Well, the critical thing that I've got to think has got to be done is removing the plateau versus go, you know, putting illegal aliens in schools.
	The kids in schools, they shouldn't be up to free schools.
	That's a subsidy of somewhat up to $10,000 a pupil per pupil cost in a public school.
	Why are we doing this?
	And Peter, I would say also, I hear from people that they say, well, we can't deport them because who's going to fix our roofs and who's going to clean the toilets and who's going to mow our lawns?
	And they go through all of that.
	And, well, if that number is 30 to 40 million people, and I don't think that's a reach anymore, it may well be more than that.
	But if they all went home, there's a whole lot less work to do taking care of them.
	And those folks, they might find a way.
	And they will say, also, well, who's going to raise our crops and who's going to prepare our food?
	And has there ever been any civilization that ever went hungry because they were too lazy?
	I don't think so.
	And we got here somehow also.
	We evolved into this.
	We devolved into this situation of dependency on illegal aliens, and we can transition out of it.
	We'll always find the ways to adapt to that.
	And in our culture, we're restored if we do that, the rule of law, also.
	What it's done, of course, is impede is retarded mechanization in agriculture.
	If you look at the history of mechanization, I've cultured, it was proceeding along very well basically until mass immigration began in the 60s and then it stalled.
	But there's all kinds of things that can be done with machinery.
	It just doesn't pay farmers to do it.
	Well, we've got tomato picking machines, we've got apple-picking machines, and we can also genetically engineer some of this food so it goes a lot easier.
	We find these solutions, and we're not going to go hungry.
	Well, this is the question for people who would ask that: you know, what would we ever do without them?
	How did we ever make it before they came to help us so generously?
	That's the easiest thing.
	Why do they want to be able to do that?
	That's actually the obvious one then, Peter.
	Why do they have to be illegal?
	Well, why do we have to be illegal?
	Why do I have to depend on illegal immigrants?
	We have lots of legal immigrants coming in.
	I think there should be an immigration moratorium for the next 50 years, no net immigration.
	But we are bringing in a million legals, illegal immigrants in a year.
	Why can't they go pick this?
	What are they for if we still have to bring in six, seven million illegals in three years?
	What's the point of having legal immigration?
	I think there's a real serious effort.
	I was joking about migrants earlier on, but there's a serious effort to try and persuade the public that illegal immigration and legal immigration are really the same thing.
	They don't make a distinction between them.
	The great thing about legal immigration is you could theoretically choose them.
	The choosing process is not very efficient, apart because there's too much family reunification, so-called going on.
	But at least you can choose who these people are, make sure they don't have diseases and so on.
	Why do you have to have 300,000 illegals a month coming across the border when you can't choose them at all?
	Well, and I propose legislation that would have put a merit system in place for legal immigration, and it would have a number of characteristics in there.
	One, would they be young, so they're not going on Social Security and Medicare right away?
	Young, they'd have to have an education, they'd had to have an ability to have an earnings, they had to have an English language speaking skills because that's the best measure of assimilation that you can have.
	And there was one other indication in there, but if we went for those kind of people, they would assimilate quickly into the society with the language skills, the earning capacity, the education, and demonstrating that they be young and healthy.
	That's pretty much what we talked about earlier: about Ellis Island at least required that they be healthy.
	And we don't even do that.
	If we bring people in on tragedy because they have AIDS or they have some kind of illness, they're bringing in illnesses that have been eradicated here for generations.
	Tuberculosis.
	You know, there's a surge in changing.
	And Tuberculosis just reported in the Bay Area in California.
	And I tweeted out about this a few minutes ago.
	The San Jose Mercury News ran and asked about it.
	But it didn't say about immigration.
	The closest it came to was to say San Francisco has a big international population.
	Because the reason should be people come across the border who aren't in any way vetted and aren't tested.
	And as the article says, I think it was in San Francisco.
	I was just going to say, Peter, I think it's in San Francisco, also where I saw an article a few days ago where they're having to lock up the microwavable meals in the grocery stores now behind, you know, like everything else, you know, these right aids, these Walgreens, these pharmacy, wherever, they're having to lock up everything on the shelf.
	Used to, they would lock up certain items.
	Now they're locking up socks.
	I guess that's just the benefits of multiculturalism and rampant immigration.
	But anyway, continue.
	Well, you know, the Congressman is completely right.
	I mean, we are all put on guard against disease.
	And of course, one of the bad reporting on the COVID thing, but one of the things that really irritates me is they made no effort to figure out where it was coming from.
	I mean, Trump was right to shut off China.
	You should have done it to do that.
	Disease does travel internationally.
	And, you know, the commitment to immigration was so great that they wouldn't call COVID migration down.
	A quick break.
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	We've had the honor of the last segment and a half of being rejoined by Steve King, who was our featured guest along with Steve Stockman in the first hour and teaming him up with Peter Brimlow as we continue to talk about the situation at the border.
	Now, we're going to get into this, the real meats and potatoes of this with columnist Michael Gaddy, who's written for everywhere.
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	Michael Gaddy has written for Lou Rockwell for many, many years, going back now and other places as well, and was original founder of the Minuteman Project.
	So he was down there every day on the border back in April of 2005, I believe it was.
	And he was calling into this show every night in 2005, live from the border.
	That was back when we were on five nights a week before we moved to a weekly broadcast.
	And he's also a constitutional scholar.
	So really looking forward to getting down into the fine details with Michael Gaddy as we wrap up a sensational show tonight with the two Steves and now Peter Brimlow.
	Peter, before Congressman King left to go to his next engagement here at the conference, he wanted me to ask you in the Democrats' mind, or people really even thinking this way, how many is too many?
	How much is too much?
	What is our carrying capacity?
	Is there room for 8 billion illegal aliens?
	I mean, is there a number there?
	Is it just supposed to go on like this forever?
	I think that's a good question.
	Nobody really extrapolates that.
	Yeah, I mean, there's an assumption that the American population has got to continue to grow and it's bad if it doesn't.
	But I've never understood that argument.
	I mean, it's like an individual family size.
	People don't all typically have 20 children, although women are physically capable of bearing 20 children if it starts early enough.
	They tend to have smaller families.
	And the same is true with countries.
	At some point, there's no reason why they shouldn't stabilize the population as long as the skill levels continue to improve.
	They could have such great economic growth without going to the sky.
	They don't have to be as big as in India or China.
	And this desperate drive to increase the population.
	I mean, it benefits certain people.
	This is typical of the immigration debate.
	Some people benefit at the expense of everybody else in the country.
	I mean, if you're a real estate developer and you'll see this in Florida, of course, they want to pave the whole flyer over, so they want to have more and more people in all the time.
	But from the point of view of the living standards of your ordinary American and the culture of America, you don't need this cost to influence.
	I think immigration to the Americans right now is a luxury.
	They don't need it, and they certainly didn't need it in these enormous numbers that have happened since the 1965 Immigration Act.
	And of course, the collapse of the borders.
	A little immigration can have certain beneficial effects, but bringing people in in the numbers where they're actually displacing the host population, you know, and it's true that whites are going to go into whites with 90% of the population in 1960, and they're going to go into a minority, you know, very soon within 10 or 15 years.
	And that's entirely because of immigration.
	There's no cause for that.
	There's no reason for that.
	There are a lot of people in power right now, including those around Joe Biden, who simply don't like white Americans and are more comfortable in a sort of Levantine situation with a great mix of people.
	And that's one of the things that's driving them.
	But I don't see why ordinary Americans, why actual American nationalists should put up with that.
	Patriots should put up with that.
	All right.
	Let me ask you this.
	This was something we foreshadowed this or teased this a few minutes ago.
	Eugene Gant's article entry at V-DARE.
	Text that just a symptom, immigration-driven displacement really is breaking up U.S. states.
	So you have, of course, you know, we've talked about the issue of what's going on in Idaho.
	That's well known to people.
	But even I didn't know, Peter, that you had it with some counties in Illinois.
	Obviously, the situation in Virginia, West Virginia, greater West Virginia, the Cal III.
	The Western parallel.
	What does the future look like for potential secession movements, regional or otherwise, red state, blue state, or even regional here in the United States?
	How could this play out in favor of that?
	I think the redividing the states is absolutely inevitable now because a lot of it goes back to Supreme Court decision, which imposed a one-man, one vote regime on these big states so that they don't have a balancing mechanism at the U.S. Center, which balances the several communities.
	So that means, for example, here in West Virginia, just across the Potomac is Western Maryland, Western Parliament of Maryland.
	It's completely outvoted.
	It's basically a very conservative country, very like West Virginia, but it's completely outvoted by Baltimore.
	So why should they stay in a state where they have no voice?
	And the same is true in the eastern shore of Maryland, too.
	So I think these states will be redivided at some point because people are just going to get fed up with being outvoted.
	And immigration is helping that, is driving that, because it's bringing in people with very different values.
	And they're outvoting.
	Northern Virginia, for example, now is heavily immigrant.
	And these are people who vote for gun control.
	But in Southside Virginia, it's American still.
	And they don't want gun control.
	So why should they put up with being outvoted by these people?
	What they need to do is secede and join West Virginia.
	I expect that kind of subdivision.
	The article, we've been following this for years.
	And there are lots of examples all over the country where people are agitating to get out.
	Just a couple of years ago in a Western parallel of Maryland, several legislators appealed to join West Virginia wanted to secede from Maryland and join West Virginia.
	Makes a great deal of sense.
	So we're going to see a lot of that.
	Ultimately, what's really going to happen, though, is if this influx continues, people are actually going to states are actually going to think about leaving the union, which isn't protecting them.
	And you can see that that's happening in Texas.
	All right, so it's a double-tiered thing.
	You could see the regional or state in-state secession or reforming, however you want to call it.
	Call it secession, call it a national divorce.
	But you could have it on a state level or on a regional level or people actually leaving the union, not just the states resorting.
	Although any of it is fantastic to think about.
	I mean, it's hard to believe that anything that exciting could actually happen because we've just been on this dull simmer for so many decades now, just slowly circling the drain to where something like this, a state split up or even states leaving the union.
	You think that that is a realistic possibility, though?
	Or even I think that's the thing.
	I think states splitting up, redividing the state, it is likely.
	It's very likely.
	You know, something like Greater Idaho, where they just annex Oregon, Eastern Oregon, annexed itself to Idaho.
	I think that that's inevitable because of the divisions that immigration has introduced and the really incompatibilities between the different parts of the state.
	As to whether the Great Union itself will break up, you know, It's just a question of how long they're gone before we get this immigration situation under control.
	And so I don't think it's impossible.
	I mean, this drive to get the Texas Texas referendum in Texas on the Republican ballot this year, they have to go to extraordinary lengths to frustrate it.
	As in California, they have to be able to get an elected judge to weigh in to sabotage it.
	But they have something like 190,000 signatures, which is significant.
	Peter, I got to tell you, we have a.
	No, I was just going to say very quickly, we have a small crowd here that most people are in the main hall, and we're here doing a remote broadcast, which isn't part of the official program of doing it because this is my live broadcast time, and they gave us a spot to do.
	We have a small crowd gathered around and listening and listening to you.
	And a gentleman just walked over.
	He wrote with a sharpie, Texas will leave.
	So, you know, I think that there is a certain amount of excitement within the base to see something like this happen.
	That's the thing.
	I mean, there is a will there, whether or not the politicians will tap into it, whether or not they're going to be too controlled.
	I mean, the Republicans have never really been our friends on a grand level, although they are moving in our direction on immigration.
	And always, you had people like King and Stockman.
	You had individuals that are obviously great.
	But if they want to keep up with the base, things are happening.
	And I can see it now.
	I do see a realistic scenario, a gameable, playable scenario where this happens.
	But we have about a minute remaining, a fast hour again.
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	Peter, again, folks, VDARE.com is your stop for the immigration issue, an issue that has been once again thrust to the forefront.
	It's always been in the forefront of our hearts and minds, but now it's become, at least for now, the national issue.
	And let's hope that it continues to be there.
	It's going to play into the good guys' hands, I think.
	And let's hope.
	Let's hope.
	What else can we do?
	Let's hope that there is a will to power on this and that Trump will harness it if he can get re-elected.
	Listen, I know, fool me once, fool me twice, say this, say that.
	Promise this didn't happen.
	What are you going to do?
	Vote for Biden?
	So let's go.
	Peter Brimelow, VDARE.com.
	We'll talk to you again very soon.
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	Thanks, Jay.
	All right, there he goes.
	We'll be back with Michael Gaddy.
	Third and final hour as I broadcast live from Orlando, Florida tonight, giving a speech to a pretty big crowd tomorrow and broadcasting live tonight with some great guests.

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