Sept. 23, 2023 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, as we promised you at the beginning of the program tonight, we would be talking with two guests who are fighting for our people, both in the court of public opinion and in the court of law, respectively.
And we've lived up to that billing tonight.
You just heard wonderful, rambunctious hour with Lauren Witzke.
And now we move to a longtime friend of mine, Glenn Allen.
He is the co-founder and chief legal officer of the Free Expression Foundation.
And we're going to encourage you to take a look at freexpressionfoundation.org.
But first, we're going to say hello to its aforementioned co-founder and chief legal officer, Glenn Allen.
Glenn, how are you tonight?
I'm well, James, and all my best to you and Keith.
And thanks for having me on your show.
Well, it's wonderful to have you back.
You've certainly been on before.
And of course, you and I go back many, many, many years.
But for the benefit of those who are tuning in, always a growing audience here.
And thank God for that.
But for the benefit of those who have not heard you before on the program, you are a former, among other things, a former city attorney for the city of Baltimore who has paid a heavy price for having the courage to think freely.
You are a tireless champion of free speech.
You're standing up for others now who have been subjected to similar injustices by the establishment.
You have established the Free Expression Foundation.
Your mission, of course, is to advocate for free expression with a particular but not exclusive focus on combating and ameliorating the anti-free expression effects of digital deplatforming, hate labels, lawfare doxing, cyber vigilantism, and terrorist and quasi-terrorist intimidation tactics.
That's a mouthful, but I think people get the gist of where we're going with that, Glenn.
Yeah, good.
No, I appreciate that.
Let me give you a little history of Free Expression Foundation, if I may.
I was in big firm litigation for 27 years, and then I retired, went to work for the city of Baltimore, and I was doing good work for a city that's primarily African-American.
And I was there about six months when Ms. Byrick and the odious SBLC did a hit piece on me, and I got fired within about 24 hours.
And it wasn't a pleasant experience.
I felt isolated.
I felt defenseless.
I felt like I turned into an untouchable, even though I'm an honest citizen of this country.
You may take some type of solace in the fact that Heidi has now been fired, too, I understand.
Well, I mean, she's doing her own thing, but you continue on, Glenn.
Yeah, well, she got fired during my litigation.
And I, you know, Keith, I don't know whether it has anything to do with that, but it may well have, although she has enough sins on her shoulders that she didn't leave violently.
But yeah, not only she, but Mr. Cohen and Mr. Ms. Brownstein and then Morris Dees himself all got fired while the litigation was pending.
So they sort of cleaned house, but they've never explained.
You brought down the house of cards.
You're like Samson, Glenn.
They got you, but you got them too, or at least they all went down together.
I guess so.
You know, I would think that a 501c3 would explain to the public why they had to fire nearly everyone at the top.
But as far as I know, they've never done that, which doesn't surprise me.
So anyway, I had that experience.
I also have a lifelong interest in the First Amendment.
I study it a lot, including its history.
I've just been reading a book about the Virginia Constitutional Convention Ratification Commission in 1791 that set Patrick Henry against James Madison about the Bill of Rights.
And that was the origin of it, you know.
And Madison prevailed in that discussion.
And that's why we have the Bill of Rights and why we have the First Amendment.
But anyway, I've always had a strong interest in the First Amendment.
So that was another factor.
And there was another factor, too.
I took note that at Charlottesville, there was a young man, I think his name was Andrew Dodson, I believe, who I understood took his life after he got doxed.
And boy, when I heard about that, I thought that that can't happen on my watch.
I got to prevent that.
I know what it felt like to be isolated and defenseless.
And I'm an attorney.
I can imagine how someone who's not an attorney would react.
So I just sort of dedicated myself to reaching out to people who've been doxxed and feel no one is looking out for them and advocating for them and kind of reaching out to those people.
So those were the three things that led me to create the Free Expression Foundation.
And I could tell you a little bit about my litigation against Heidi, and then I could tell you about some of the cases we've been working on if those are of interest.
Yeah, let's do that, Glenn.
Let's do that because I want to reiterate that, of course, you were a, as far as lawyers go, and Keith, you're an attorney as well by trade, but you had a very successful career as an attorney.
Now, we focus on your time as an attorney for the city of Baltimore, which was a relatively short-lived thing when compared to your entire career as not a ward of the court, Keith, officer of the court, right?
Officers of the court.
And by the way, we're not a trade or a profession.
Okay.
All right.
Dude, noted in Touche, but in any event, Glenn had been around for a long time.
It wasn't just the six months at the city of Baltimore that was the end-all and be-all of his career, but it was that, you know, the SPLC said, oh, this guy, we know this guy.
He has some thoughts that we don't like.
And he knows some people that we don't like.
And so therefore, he must be fired because he couldn't possibly, he couldn't possibly do a good job.
He couldn't possibly be objective if he disagrees with us.
And that was pretty much the whole argument, right, Glenn?
And continue on there.
Well, yeah, you're right about that.
And it is so contradictory.
I mean, I was, I will immodestly say I'm a competent, experienced attorney, and I was doing good work for the city of Baltimore trying to fend off some $20 million complaints for police brutality.
And the city of Baltimore, as you may know, is predominantly black.
So I was helping a predominantly black city.
And Heidi comes, says, how inappropriate is it that this guy should be litigating for the city of Baltimore?
They get me fired.
And they later lost a case, I think, of course, it's $20 million they got.
I'm not saying I could have changed that, but it is so crazy for Heidi, who knew nothing about what I was doing, to say it was inappropriate for me to be working for the city.
Well, this is the thing.
I mean, their argument was you couldn't possibly do your job on behalf of minorities because you don't hate yourself and hate your ancestors.
I mean, if you pair it down, I don't want to oversimplify it, but that was the case, right?
Oh, it's so true.
I mean, they judged me by the color of my skin and what they thought was going on in my head, but I would never have done anything other than my absolute best for the city of Baltimore.
And I know that about you.
Any client, whatever race or religion.
I mean, I take my obligations as an attorney seriously, and I try to protect First Amendment rights for everyone.
I happen to think that the dissident right is very much underserved and needs representation.
It might be an interesting change of pace to actually have the law enforced rather than flaunted in Baltimore.
That's true, too.
Baltimore has its share of problems, so I'll tell you that.
Yeah, partly because the rule of law is a little weak here, as it is in other segments of our society, as you may know.
We're calling you from Memphis, Tennessee, which now has the unique distinction of being the largest majority minority city in America.
That can't be true.
Surely not.
Yeah, we've surpassed Detroit.
Well, we got some commonality with Baltimore, I think, suffice it to say.
But nevertheless, we do the best we can.
But anyway, so you had this, you had this, so the SPLC, they get you fired, but then you fight back.
Unlike a lot of people who apologize.
Oh, already?
Already the music?
All right, hold on.
We're going to go back to this chapter in Glenn Allen's life and career.
And then we're going to move forward with what he's doing now with the Free Expression Foundation.
There's just so much more.
I mean, he's in the middle of a lot of hot battles right now.
And we're thankful to have him back on the show tonight as our guest.
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Well, it's really an honor and a privilege to be with you tonight, ladies and gentlemen, under any circumstances, but especially tonight with a guest like Glenn Allen.
Now, Glenn is a tried and true friend, and I'm proud to be able to call him that.
Glenn, I don't know how long we've known each other, but it's certainly in the double-digit in terms of years now.
And you set an example for the rest of us to follow.
I mean, certainly I knew you long before this episode with the city of Baltimore and the SBLC occurred, and I knew your honor, and I knew your integrity.
But for you to have taken that and not given them that, I mean, that's what you've got.
You can offer that to them in those moments.
You can offer them your self-esteem and your integrity and your honor.
But the men who don't, boy, what an example they set.
And you're one of them.
And so we resume the story now.
It's a very successful legal career.
You get hired on to be an attorney for the city of Baltimore.
The SBLC says, no, hang on a minute now.
This guy probably took a cut and pay to take that job.
You know that.
I was probably getting about 30% of what I was with the big law firm.
But yeah.
But, you know, it was interesting work.
I mean, the city had its share of interesting problems, and it was fun to mentor the young folks there.
But once I got doxxed and then fired, I got to investigating how that could have happened.
And to make a long story short, I concluded that Ms. Byrick had a basis for concluding that Ms. Byrick had improperly influenced a bookkeeper at the National Alliance's property in West Virginia to disclose to her confidential information, which was a violation of that bookkeeper's fiduciary duty and also a violation of a non-disclosure agreement.
So I had that, and that happens to be illegal under Alabama law.
It's not only a breach of contract, but it's illegal.
Which is where the SBLC is located.
I mean, you mentioned Alabama because that's where the SBLC is headquartered, which is where Heidi Byrick was working at that time.
Sure.
In the so-called poverty pals.
Yeah.
I don't know if it is bad, isn't it?
It's awful looking, but it's huge.
Post-Soviet brutalism.
Exactly.
Boy, it is, isn't it?
It's a piece of Soviet architecture dropped in the middle of Montgomery, I guess.
I was just there with Jared Taylor a few days ago, and it's as bad as it looks on the pictures, believe me.
Anyway, continue on, Glynn.
Yeah.
So I concluded there are a lot of things wrong with what they did.
And some of them had to do with what they did to me, but others had to do with their status as a nonprofit and also as a purported law firm.
I mean, they claim to be a law firm, even though Heidi is not a lawyer.
She acts like she was acting like a lawyer.
I mean, she was giving, she often gave legal advice to her.
She's a bald Jewish woman.
That's even worse.
Yeah.
But so I basically made two arguments.
And Keith, I think you're an attorney, so you know there's a legal prohibition against engaging in unlawful behavior.
Yeah, yeah, all that.
So I made the argument that the SBLC's 501c3 should be taken away from them.
And then also that they had harmed me.
And so I made claims under that.
But the judge was not interested in either one.
She said I lacked standing to challenge the SBLC, which I don't think is quite right.
And that my claims that they were engaged in unlawful behavior were so implausible that I almost have to laugh, implausible that I wasn't entitled to take discovery to validate them.
It begs a question of what standing they had to interfere with your affairs in life.
Yeah, I don't mean to get too legally technical, but standing is this kind of vague.
I mean, it's sometimes used and sometimes not to prevent people from challenging certain things.
I think in some of this Trump litigation, of course, you're standing to prevent him from going forward with some of those things.
No kidding.
I'd say so.
I mean, I think Trump has lost at every turn.
Has there ever been one?
I don't want to sidetrack because I want to stay on the topic.
So let's stay on topic.
But has there been one brief or filing or any case or any at any level?
Has Trump won?
I don't think so.
I think he's been turned down on every turn.
It's hard for me to think of one where they succeeded.
It's hard for me to think of a January 6th defendant who's had success except for Charlottesville or Charlottesville, January 6th.
And now Trump's got the January 6th hanging judge as the one to preside over his case in D.C.
The type of person who would never become a lawyer in a kinder, better America.
In any event, I don't want to chase those rabbits.
I mean, people know that.
But back to your situation, Glenn.
I mean, to bring it back into sharp focus, I mean, the SBLC got you fired within a few hours after complaining about you, but you didn't take it lying down.
You took the fight back to them.
And of course, we know how that played out in court.
But the fact is that you stood and you fought.
Yeah.
You know, I was thinking I could walk away from this, but I'm an attorney and I have a lot of people that this happens to often can't find attorneys.
It's a mark against our profession.
Keith, I have to say, how many attorneys, you know, try to hide under the table when you tell them you want to sue the SBLC.
Well, particularly ones apart from big firms that are influential.
I, for example, would love to find an attorney that would take on an affirmative action case for somebody that suffered from affirmative action back in the early 70s, for example.
Well, speaking of the 70s, Keith and Glenn, this is like our mutual friend Sam Dixon.
I mean, Sam is still referred to by the SBLC as former Klan lawyer Sam Dixon because at one point in his 50 or 60 year legal career, it was in the 70s, yeah, 70s, I believe, that he had a client that was a member of that organization.
I mean, so it's just, I mean, yes, I mean, to a great.
It's a declining moment of his life.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, if you go on the internet, you still find Glenn Allen, neo-Nazi lawyer.
I actually laugh.
I don't see myself as that.
But, you know, it's forever on this dang society, internet society we live in.
And all my good deeds, and I mean, I've helped many African-American people, and some of them have been very grateful, but none of that comes up in the internet.
You're their Fuhrer.
Well, I guess so.
I'm their fundraiser, you know.
Well, I mean, look, I know Glenn Allen, all right, and I've known him for a long time, and I know his integrity, and I know his honor, and I know if I was a black man, I would want Glenn Allen going to bat for me because he's going to do what's best for what's true.
He's going to be right.
And what's right.
I mean, all of that.
What's true, what's just, what's for his client.
But in any event, obviously, we know what's going on with the American so-called justice system right now.
My case, your case, Glenn, didn't work out in our favor.
But beyond that, even after being fired and then deciding not to just walk away from it, but to take on this behemoth and then to suffer that injustice in that situation, you still came back for a third time and said, you know what?
I'm not going to quit here, even though I was fired.
Even though I lost this case against the SPLC, even though it was dismissed, wasn't even heard.
I'm going to found the Free Expression Foundation so I can help other people in my situation.
Now, that, that, my friends, that's a man who is a leader.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, I've had some interesting cases.
I'm kind of a solo organization.
I now have a young intern working for me, so I'm growing and I'm getting more interesting cases.
But one of the first cases I had was for the Rise Above Movement folks.
And, you know, they got prosecuted under something called the Anti-Riot Act for actually getting into some scuffles at Charlottesville.
I mean, nothing more than that.
And you guys know as well as I, that was a one-way street.
They didn't prosecute.
Yeah, hard not to get in a scuffle in Charlottesville when everybody around you, the antifub, all of those people, the police department, particularly and the mayor and all the governmental officials were basically funneling you into a killbox.
You'd have to get into a scuffle to survive, just to fight your way out of there.
But anyway, you got involved in what?
Well, there was a couple guys who had, I was put in touch with a young man named Mike Maseleis.
I didn't know him at the time, but he talked very well on the phone, and I later got to know him.
But he was arrested.
He was a member of something called the Rise Above Movement.
And as far as I could tell, it was really for young men who liked to exercise and go out and shoot guns once in a while and basically be young men, you know.
And they did have a penchant for showing up at some of these rallies, you know, and if a fight came their way, they didn't back away from it.
But I really don't think they went, they were offensive.
They just didn't back away.
But they started fights, but they'd finished them.
Yeah.
Well, they wouldn't allow themselves to get beaten down by the anti-fund.
All right, I got you.
Yeah, I mean, what does our system expect?
A bunch of spineless young men that would back down from Antifa?
I mean, that's what they're doing.
Of course they do.
That's what they want.
And if you're not that, you're going to jail.
You're either going to be dead or you're going to jail.
Well, that's what happened to Mike.
He got prosecuted under something called the Rise Above Movement.
I mean, the Anti-Riot Act.
And I took a look at that act.
And I don't know how old you are, Keith.
I don't think James remembers the Chicago 7 trial in 1968.
I remember very well at the 68 Democratic Convention.
Hold on.
Hold on right there.
We'll go down Midmury Lane, but a lot more.
With Glenn Allen of the Free Expression Foundation, Free ExpressionFoundation.org.
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Back with the guy who did something about it, ladies and gentlemen.
Glenn Allen, my friend and yours.
If you are someone who is an advocate for the truth, lots of people say, a friend texting us right now, listening to the show live, lots of people say, hey, I should do something about this or that.
But they don't do anything.
This is a guy who actually did it.
Yeah, that's the guy we're talking to right now.
Thank you for that comment.
This is Glenn Allen, FreeExpressionFoundation.org.
Glenn, I mean, we've talked a little bit, as I said, I don't want to reiterate it to the point of exhaustion, but exhaustion, but you've had a very successful legal career moving forward to a couple of years ago when you got hired on by the city of Baltimore.
And then that's where the story began tonight.
Dismissed out of court.
You took the fight back to them after having been fired, unjustly, I might add.
But you took the fight back to them, dismissed out of court, out of hand, but then you founded your own foundation.
And that is where the story resumes.
FreeExpressionFoundation.org.
Your mission, and I'm reading from the mission there at the website right now, to reach out to the victims of the Thought Police, to listen to them and their stories with care and respect.
Do you believe in free expression?
If you're a victim of the Thought Police, please contact us.
If you support free expression and the mission of the Free Expression Foundation, please show your support by making a tax-deductible gift.
So there, you can do all of that at freeexpressionfoundation.org.
But Glenn, let's talk a little bit more about your work here in the last few months.
Some very interesting cases.
I don't know which ones you can comment on publicly and which ones you might not want to comment on, but I'll turn that over to you.
Yeah.
Well, just to wrap up the rise above movement, guys, I looked at this Anti-Riot Act, which hadn't been used much since the Chicago 7 trials, which is, as Keith may remember, I mean, it was Jerry Rubin, Abby Hoffman, and a bunch of, yeah, and they eventually got acquitted.
But anyway, the government dusted this off, and it seemed blatantly unconstitutional to me.
So I sort of orchestrated the, I wasn't the defense counsel, but as an amicus, We created some ideas why this was unconstitutional, and the defense counsel also thought it was unconstitutional.
And we challenged in both in California.
There were two different prosecutions.
We lost in Charlottesville, where Mike was, but we actually won in California, and it was thrown out.
The four Rise Above Movement guys there were released.
One of them, unfortunately, later died, but I'm glad he was able to die in freedom and not in a prison.
But you know, our government never relented, so they appealed and got that turned around, and they're now prosecuting it again.
I hope you get involved in that.
Of course, the Chicago 7 got off because they were leftists.
You know, it's not a matter of what you do, but who you are.
Well, there's so much truth to that, Keith.
I'm afraid.
I mean, supposedly, our judiciary doesn't take those into account, but it sure doesn't seem to be true.
Well, yeah, this is it.
I mean, Glenn, would you agree or disagree as a lifelong attorney and as a professional in this capacity that rule of law, what law is precedent matters little compared to what side you're on now?
Unfortunately, it's so true, James.
And if it weren't for a few judges who really do seem to take the responsibility of wearing their robe, the honor of it and the responsibility of it, it would be pretty dismal prospects.
But I think there are some out there.
And even our Supreme Court, I have to say, they've done pretty well by the First Amendment in the last 10 years.
I mean, they just denounce principles, of course, and they have to be applied by the lower courts.
And they're often applied in ways that astonish me how illogical and unfair they are.
But there are a few judges out there who do uphold the law.
Yeah, you expressed it pretty well, James.
It's very political and it's not what I would like to see in an honest judiciary system.
Well, I want to ask you a question right now and feel free to pass it or to punt on it.
You don't have to talk about it.
It certainly won't offend me in the least.
But you've got a very provocative case right now involving a mutual, well, a friend of mine, anyway, Warren Baylog and former Governor of Virginia Terry McCullough.
Can you tell us anything about that?
Sure, sure.
No, I'm glad to.
It actually arises just from what we were talking about, the Charlottesville events.
Warren was there when this bunch of defendants, including the city of Charlottesville and the chief of police and the Virginia State Police and others.
They managed to push the pro-monument demonstrators right into the hands of Antifa.
That's the killbox I was talking about.
Yeah, I mean, and so Warren, who was injured in that, I mean, he was pepper sprayed and he was assaulted by these creepy antiphotypes.
He brought suit claiming that his rights had been violated and he was deserved compensation.
Mostly he wanted to uphold his First Amendment right to listen to speakers and I guess it's Emancipation Park or Lee Park.
There was another suit going up, Jason Kessler, very similar to that.
I shouldn't say very similar because I think there are important differences, but that case was dismissed by the judge in Charlottesville and it went up to the Fourth Circuit.
And they affirmed by something called an unpublished decision, which is, I will say, hope it doesn't get me in trouble, but I think it's not the way courts are supposed to work.
They're not supposed to issue unpublished opinions.
I think they should at least honestly.
Isn't it funny the way they always do those unpublished opinions against our interests?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, they shut it off and nobody really sees it.
And they did that to Jason Kessler, so that was possible.
Because it will not bear examination under the light of day.
No, no, I don't think anyone could justify what was done to Jason, but it is a Fourth Circuit precedent.
And Keith, as you know, we have to deal with precedents.
So we do have that problem with respect to Warren.
Well, the left doesn't have to deal with precedence.
It's like the Brown versus Board of Education decision.
You know, basically it was a denial of due process because due process says that you'll decide it according to similar cases in the past, starry decisis or statutory construction or legislative history.
They tossed all of that out of the window in the Brown versus Board of Education decision and based it upon some crackpot sociological paper produced by a black sociologist on regarding doll studies.
And see, nobody called him out about that.
It's amazing to me.
Yeah, it really is consistent with the idea that we're entitled to have courts confront our arguments and do it openly and publicly.
And do it according to established principles of deciding appellate cases.
Yeah.
So anyway, that's Jason's decision was decided a while ago, but Warren's wasn't.
So Warren has gone up to the Fourth Circuit.
He was also lost at the trial court, but he's now engaged me and my co-counsel to go up to the Fourth Circuit.
We just filed a brief two weeks ago.
And here's somewhat of an advantage that Warren has.
I mean, his case incorporated the Hefey report.
And I think you guys are familiar with the Heathy report.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And that should have been the determining factor for any decision.
That was the Bible on what happened in Charlottesville, the Heefey report.
But because it didn't meet with the system's narrative, they totally disregarded their own arbiter's opinion on the matter.
Yeah, the city of Charlottesville apparently engaged Heathy to make that report.
That was actually the damnedest thing I think I may have ever seen in my life.
Next to your case.
Well, I don't know about that.
But anyway, continued Glenn.
No, it's true.
I actually commend Mr. Heefe.
I mean, I have some quibbles about some things, but I think he was really trying to get to the truth.
An exhaustive, I mean, it's 220 pages long, and I think I don't know how many footnotes and evidence there was on 300, 400 emails.
I heard that there are thousands of emails that didn't even make it into the Heefe report.
But when you read the Hefey report with care, and I know you guys know this already, but it's hard to support the conclusion that the trial court did that it was kind of mutual combat, and it's not the city's obligation to step into mutual combat.
They have the right to just shut down the demonstration.
When you look at the fact that apparently there was a demonstration before by the, I think by the Klan, and the city did the right thing, it separated the people, and there was no violence.
And when you look at some of the emails, like the chief of police saying, well, let them fight, and then we'll just call, you know, we'll call it.
And we'll apply differential justice depending on which side we want.
What kind of police force allows wanton violence in their presence while they sit back and watch?
I mean, Glenn, that I don't.
It was a violation of their oath to protect and defend.
Even these beat officers, I know they were just following orders, as they always like to say, quote unquote, just following orders.
That was something.
Well, many of them didn't want to do that, as you know, James.
I mean, many of them did.
A lot of them said, I don't think it's appropriate to just sit and watch these files.
And there was one, I don't remember what his name was.
He disobeyed instructions and went over there and broke up a fight and chased off the antiphon.
And they backed off, which shows you that if it's the city has done its job, and it's definitely a good idea.
That wouldn't have happened, but it wouldn't have benefited the system for them to have done their job.
We'll be right back.
One more segment with Glenn Allen.
What an hour.
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Ladies and gentlemen, as you know, and as I like to tell you, believe me, I'm proud of it.
I am, I'll admit it.
19 years on the radio.
19 years and absorbing the slings and arrows of the outrageous left.
Well, we got another one coming.
It's going to be the 80th time the SPLC has attacked me.
We found out on Wednesday.
Yep, it's coming next week, Glenn.
You'll be sure to see it.
Don't miss it, ladies and gentlemen.
We don't want you to miss it.
They've written 79 articles attacking me in the last 19 years.
The 80th is going to come next week.
They sent an email in last Wednesday asking for a comment.
And in any event, so that's coming.
But believe me, after 79, I know how it's going to go.
James Edwards.
What are they attacking before this time, James?
Well, they don't like the fact that the owner of the radio network worked with another organization.
They're trying to triangulate the fact that I interview guests.
They must be evil because they support James and broadcast him.
I mean, it's a six degrees of separation.
You know how it is.
Anyway, it's a whole sorted affair.
But they've already written one article about it back in February.
And another organization.
And all it ever does is basically increase our listenership.
I mean, you know, look, anybody that's funded to the tunes of hundreds of millions can still do you some damage.
And I'm not saying that I, you know, want them to do it, but I mean, it is what it is after all these years.
You know what they've said now?
They say that basically, because of the extreme positions of the left, now calling a person a racist or an anti-Semite increases their status with probably 50% of the base.
Well, this was the Homeland Institute Greg Johnson poll.
Anyway, let's not get into the tall grass.
There's truth to that.
I mean, you know, a lot of it has come back.
I mean, we've weathered it for so long.
And on the other hand, if they call you woke, that hurts you with that.
With the Republican base.
That's right.
But anyway, we digress.
But nevertheless, 80th time, they're going to call me racist, white nationalist, anti-Semite.
It's coming next week, so just stay tuned.
I want to give the plug.
I don't like to normally plug hate sites, but we want you to read it.
SPLcenter.org slash blog, I think is it.
I should know it after all these years.
But anyway, Glenn, I'm sure you know it too.
And we've been talking about it.
I mean, this is a group that's done a lot of damage to a lot of good people.
But, you know, again, we see their comeuppance, I think, happening now.
I mean, the way the SPLC is perceived now compared to what it was 20 years ago or even 10 years ago, it's really a night and day thing.
You got half the, you know, nearly half the state AGs condemning them as an utterly unreliable swarth.
They've surely, you know, they always like to say, you know, you're six degrees separated from, you know, whoever we don't like at the time.
Muslim is setting on their authority.
Well, they certainly have links and ties to domestic terrorism.
I certainly don't.
And you certainly don't, Glenn.
And our organizations have never been denounced by half the state AGs.
And we certainly don't have employees or staff attorneys that have been arrested and charged with domestic terrorism.
But nevertheless, nevertheless.
Nevertheless.
But let's get back.
Glenn, I say this.
19 years, when I say an hour has gone by too fast, we don't have enough time for a guest.
That's a good hour of radio.
And I can say that about both you and Lauren tonight.
I want to ask you about something that you posted to your website in September.
And we're going to get, actually, excuse me, this is September.
It was a few months ago.
We're going to post it to our website on September the 26th.
We're going to cross-post it.
But very quickly, back to Warren Baylock's case versus Terry McCalloff et al.
Terry McCollough being the former governor of Virginia.
Yeah.
Well, to be candid with you, there are difficulties in going after McCalloff because of state sovereignty.
But in our brief, we try to overcome them.
But those difficulties are not so great as to the city of Charlottesville or its police chief.
But we were talking about the Heafey report.
But anyway, our brief heavily relies on that.
And we make the point that it's not a plausible conclusion.
The truck said basically a pox on both your houses.
You know, you're all out there fighting each other.
And how can you blame the police for just trying to break it up?
They have no obligation to choose one side over the other.
But they do.
That is so inconsistent with something called the Heckler's Veto Doctrine.
And I'm sure Keith's familiar with it.
Amen.
I think it was 100.
It was completely wrong for the judge to say that a city authority does not have an obligation to protect someone who gets a permit to have a demonstration.
They do have that.
They do have an affirmative obligation to do that.
And they should have done it in Charlottesville.
And that's kind of the basis of the legal basis of our lawsuit on behalf of one.
So we've done our best.
We've dissected the Heafey report and we've taken them to task for ignoring the Heckler's Veto Doctor.
We'll see if we can get oral argument and maybe get this a good result.
Well, I mean, Glenn, I got to ask the question because it's a question that I'm sure our audience is asking.
I mean, they've seen what happened to you.
They know what happened to me in my libel case, even though, I mean, the entirety of the law and of all precedent, it was just a slam dunk, can't lose case.
And we managed to lose it because, again, what comes down, what happens now in the court of law is what side you're on.
But you also have to realize we've got different people populating the judiciary.
That's it.
This is the Keith.
That's an important point.
That's actually what I was about to foreshadow.
And what I'm getting to is people would say, well, it's just a lost cause, then you can't win.
You can win in some jurisdictions.
Is Trump going to win in Fulton County, Georgia, or in this in Washington, D.C.?
There's not a chance.
But is there a chance?
And Peter Bribler brought this up.
Jared Taylor won in Tennessee with regards to continuing to be able to having his American conferences at Montgomery Bell State Park.
The way I put it is this way.
It used to be that being a judge was the way you capped off a career as a successful litigator.
Today, it's a job for a recent law graduate that can't find a job.
All right, but nevertheless.
But Glenn, I mean, you know, obviously understanding and knowing from your own personal experiences, and plus that which we've all seen with other dissidents, that it's a tall order in certain jurisdictions.
Why found the Free Expression Foundation?
Why go to court for these cases that are going to be unfavorable in certain jurisdictions?
But perhaps not all.
Perhaps not all, or maybe you'll get a dissent or something.
I mean, it's a long haul.
You've got to persevere.
Apropos of that, I mean.
You've got to be prepared to take it all the way to the top, is what I told James.
That's lady.
And unfortunately, most people are not financially well-abled enough to do that.
That's right.
I will say also that I am involved in another lawsuit out in the state of Washington against an Antifa guy, and he infiltrated the Patriot Front organization using a false identity.
And then he violated their instructions by sending out confidential information to his buddies on the outside and docks dozens of Patriot Front guys, many of whom lost their job.
But that's a blatant violation of something called the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and also Washington state law.
So that's an example, I hope, James, of being in the right jurisdiction with the right law.
I hope that we are successful there.
But to your point, I mean, we have to be very careful.
We have limited resources to do our fights.
I wouldn't love to be when you're small, you need to choose your fights and get small victories, at least initially.
And that's kind of what we're in right now.
See, I was a lawyer back, and I've been a lawyer for over 45 years.
And when I first started practicing law, we didn't have these problems.
But now you have them in spades, basically.
For example, you hear about these runaway juries and personal injury cases.
They're always majority, minority venues where that's a problem.
Well, but the thing is, though, I mean, Glenn, you're right.
You got to pick and choose your battles.
But the fact of the matter is, we have to battle on any front that we can get a venue.
I mean, and so that's why I absolutely support even having my own misgivings with the judicial system.
It is not a universal thing.
You can win in certain jurisdictions.
They're not bringing the Trump case in rural majority-white southern districts.
They're bringing in the case in the jurisdiction.
Look at the difference between Shelbyville demonstration in Charlottesville.
See, the difference of night and day.
Well, that's right.
So, in any event, freexpressionfoundation.org, Glenn Allen needs your help, ladies and gentlemen.
And he is fighting on behalf of people like Warren Baylog, and he is fighting in courts.
And these are very important battles.
And even though, again, I can tell you, I could say, I could be so jaded as to say nobody has a chance in the courts because of what happened to me.
But I don't believe that.
I do believe that.
Well, what it is, really, James, is this.
You can't have a protest, a peaceful protest at a place like Charlottesville, which is basically a little ivy-covered North Korea.
You've got to have it in a place where it's going to be.
A car in the Mississippi.
Yeah, I got you.
I understand.
Or Shelbyville, Tennessee.
FreeExpressionFoundation.org.
Glenn, one last thing.
And this actually made some national news a few weeks ago.
Litigation commenced against radical anti-Fedoxer.
This is a headline on your website, freexpressionfoundation.org.
Litigation commenced against a radical anti-fedoxer.
We got two minutes remaining.
It's all yours.
Well, yeah, that's what I mentioned.
We're taking the offensive against this guy and his buddies.
And we're going to, I think we have a pretty strong case.
And we haven't been able to serve him yet.
I guess I shouldn't talk.
Maybe he's lying low out there.
I don't know.
But at least the table has turned.
I mean, he has to worry about litigation as opposed to our guys getting sued by the likes of Roberta Kaplan and others and science fester.
Since I just have a minute left, I would like to say about my Free Expression Foundation that I think we're moving in the right direction.
Maybe not as fast as one wish, but I do think we are.
We're accumulating a network of attorneys who could act as local counsel and help us and some financial wherewithal.
But I think above all, we're becoming an incubator for young attorneys.
And I've been contacted, and I wish I had the resources to hire them, but there are young attorneys out there that are idealistic and want to fight.
And FDF is shaping up as a good place for them to learn their skills and, you know, and become a force for the good in the future.
So I appreciate any kind of support that can be sent our way.
Well, you definitely deserve support because you're doing the type of work that the legal profession professes to be doing and wants to do.
And we are in trying times right now.
We are definitely in a different world from James gave me a little hat last week and said, I wish I could.
That was our friend Jeff, I believe, in Salt Lake City who sent those hats in.
Yeah, he said, I wish I could return to the America I was born into.
Yeah, and we want to thank Jeff for that.
We want to thank Jeff for that, who sent those hats.
And I've been meaning to send you a thank you card.
But Glenn Allen, the freexpressionfoundation.org, listen, folks, as you know, we're smack dab in the middle of TPC's most crucial third quarter fundraising drive, but it didn't stop me from taking advantage of the opportunity to have Glenn on tonight.
We want you to support his work as well.
In fact, if you've got to choose between one or the other, FreeExpressionFoundation.org, folks.
There are good people toiling in the vineyards like Glenn Allen.
Absolutely.
And we need him, and we want to be here.
We're all in this together.
That's the point.
We're all in this together.
Glenn, thank you for another fantastic hour of radio.
Thank you for your work, for your sacrifice.
FreeExpressionFoundation.org.
We continue to fight wherever we can on their radio airwaves, the court of public opinion, and in the court of law.