Aug. 20, 2022 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the night's live broadcast of TPC.
It is Saturday evening, August the 20th.
And I was just talking with our featured guest of the evening about how those first breezes of late summer began to hit this week and what a nice change of season it is starting to become.
Our guest this evening is none other than Dr. Greg Johnson, longtime friend, making his first appearance of the year, but many appearances under his belt going back the now 15 plus years we have known each other.
Dr. Johnson is the editor-in-chief of Countercurrents and so much more, the author of the White Nationalist Manifesto and White Identity Politics.
And we'll be talking with Greg for the next hour.
Greg, welcome back.
It's great to be back.
Thanks for having me on.
Well, we certainly appreciate it.
Always great to have you on.
And I think we're going to be focusing quite a bit this hour on your take on the FBI's raid on Mar-a-Lago and its potential ramifications.
But before we get to that, I also want to talk to you a little bit later this hour before we close about how we can work on building infrastructure and organizations in advance of a potential collapse here of the system and the movement, quote unquote, at large, your takes on where we're going.
But first, I want to ask you about the overall health of whites in America.
Now, you take into account recent trends, recent polls, and even sharpened rhetoric coming from Republican elected officials, the likes of which you would have never heard certainly five years ago, perhaps not even two or three years ago.
Where do you see the trends?
Where do you see the projections right now for our people on this continent?
Well, the demographic trends and the political trends, in terms of the policies that are being enacted, the open borders, the insane basically allowing black people to riot and put their claims and all of these are very alarming, bad trends.
But there is a reaction brewing, and that's the most encouraging thing.
There are a couple of numbers that really crystallized it for me.
One is I was reflecting on secession 14 years ago in our circles in the white nationalist movement, in the white nationalist movement, I was marginal because I wanted to talk about secession.
I wanted to take that idea seriously.
And white nationalists rolled their eyes at me and treated it as just sort of a silly thing that this was never going to happen.
Now there's polling out about normal Republicans on secession.
Not only has it, it has gone from being a marginal position in white nationalism to a mainstream Republican position.
There's a poll from the UVA Center for Politics that says that 52% of Trump voters believe that they would favor seceding from the United States.
There's a U-Govs poll that found that two-thirds of Southern Republicans and half of Southern independents support dissolving the Union.
There's another poll of red state voters that basically has two-thirds of them saying, oh, I'm sorry, one-third saying they'd be better off seceding from the Union.
The Texas Republican Party has endorsed the idea of Texas seceding and becoming its own country.
Excuse me, that's a major change in consciousness from secession being marginal, even in white nationalist circles, to being mainstream in Republican circles.
The other thing is, I remember 10, 12 years ago when Bob Whitaker was putting forth his mantra and his followers were talking about white genocide and polishing up this white genocide meme.
Excuse me, that idea was quite marginal in our circles.
Tim Murdoch, of course, the Avenger, White Rabbit Radio, were putting out the idea of white genocide.
Reynold Camus has coined the term the great replacement for that.
That was even two years ago very marginal, and now 70% of Trump voters basically believe the great replacement is real and has to be stopped.
So those are two measures of just how deeply our ideas have moved from the margins to the mainstream in American politics.
That's very encouraging.
You are firing on all cylinders right out of the gate tonight.
Some of the things you just mentioned, of course, we have talked about before.
You went into even some greater detail with regards to the data behind secession.
And of course, we find all of that very, very, very encouraging.
But I want to ask you this, and this is the question, is why now?
I mean, because here's the thing.
Our ideas are no more right today than they were five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago.
Our ideas have always been right.
But is it just the synthesis of this accelerating erosion of faith in the public institutions that the Republican base has, coupled with the push of transgenderism or the Floyd riots or critical race theory?
I mean, what is it now that seems to have our ideas catching on like wildfire within the normies white population?
That's a good question.
I was laboring away in relative obscurity at countercurrents from 2010 when we started.
And then I noticed starting in 2014 a significant increase in traffic.
And this had everything to do with Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, the rise of Black Lives Matter.
That posed a measurable bump in interest.
People were coming to us looking for alternative views because they saw that something was very, very wrong.
In 2015, the migrant crisis led to a measurable and permanent increase in our traffic.
Again, events were driving people to search for alternatives to the mainstream opinion, the mainstream conservative opinions that weren't conserving anything, that couldn't stand up against these obvious problems.
Then, of course, Trump came along in 2015.
That was an enormously encouraging event because he accomplished something right out of the gate.
He accomplished something permanent and important on the day that he announced, which is to put globalization and immigration on the political menu.
The political establishment had a gentleman's agreement.
The Republicans had a gentleman's agreement with the left.
They would never question economic globalization and immigration.
And Trump basically violated that agreement because and he and he hit on something very important because people want to talk about that.
They are tired of immigration, eroding their communities, and they are tired of globalization, both in the forms of offshoring industries and importing cheap labor, destroying middle-class and working-class standards of living.
They wanted to talk about it.
The establishment wouldn't talk about it, and Trump broke the agreement.
He was a traitor to his class, and they never forgave him for that.
And that got all these issues out there again.
And I just don't think they're going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle.
There's so much momentum now behind issues that are dear to the hearts of people like us who believe in white editing politics.
So what's happened is this our ideas have always been right, but circumstances came along to make people respect to them.
Finally.
Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Johnson, our guest, we are coming out of the gates red hot and rolling with Greg, and we're going to take our first break of the night, but he is so right.
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But I think when you meet an idea whose time has come, it's an unstoppable force.
And are we going that way with our issues?
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Ladies and gentlemen, right out of the gates, we are getting into it with Greg Johnson.
Be sure to check out and support his work at counter-currents.com.
And right before the last break, we were talking about the power of an idea with momentum behind it.
And yes, Greg, as we agreed, the idea can be right forever for a lifetime, for generations.
But until time and circumstance rises to meet with that idea, you're not going to have propulsion.
And Donald Trump, I will give him the credit for this.
You know, his administration, the Trump years when he was president were maddening.
He would do things that were so wonderful, and then he would fall short of what we expected from the candidate.
But I think regardless, whether it was intentional or inadvertent, he is responsible for a lot of what's going on, the overreaction to what he was and the threat he posed to the establishment is responsible for where we are now.
And so are we reaching that moment in history and in our time where time and circumstance meets these ideas of ours?
Yeah, I think we are.
I think it was Daniel Patrick Moynihan years ago who described affirmative action as a bad idea whose time has come.
And I think white nationalism is a good idea whose time has finally come.
And people are just receptive to it.
So that's great.
Circumstances have been conspiring to make people receptive to what we're doing.
And we can't take full credit for it, but I'm going to pat myself on the back and you on the back and everybody on the back in this movement who have been pushing these ideas and have stuck with it for decades.
The amount of change that we've seen just in the last two years is astonishing, but that's how change works.
It's exponential.
It starts out very, very slow.
And after a few cycles, if it starts moving, it can suddenly change consciousness overnight.
And we're now seeing the results of that.
Those of us who have stuck with it for decades, many of us, many of your friends of mine have been at this for decades now.
And we're finally seeing in our lifetime, I didn't even think it would be in my lifetime, we're seeing progress that is remarkably fast.
It's surprising to even me.
Yeah, I agree again with you that it is the most exciting couple of years of my life to see what's going on as far as my movement activism, I guess you could say, in this career.
But and this was something that another guest shared with me, and it was a pretty good point.
This was earlier this summer.
I was talking with a guest and we were commenting on the fact that the Florida governor Ron DeSantis had referred to the attack at the parade in Wisconsin last year as an anti-white attack.
Now, that is something, of course, you would have never heard a high-ranking elected official, much less the governor of between Florida and Texas, the two most prominent Republican states in the Union.
And he said, but when you hear people say things like that, what you just said, Greg, pat yourself on the back because you're responsible.
They'll go back to atrophy.
They'll go back to establishment conservatism if it is allowed.
But when you have such a groundswell of radicalization within the Republican base, everybody gets a little bit more out there.
And you're seeing that now with Republicans saying abolish the FBI.
Now, if it ever goes beyond talk to actual substance, that'll be great.
And I believe that it can.
I believe that it will.
I mean, you mentioned the Texas thing.
I mean, that's profound, the Texas thing, the Texas Republican Party in secession.
We talk about that.
That's just one example.
Yeah, I think it's remarkable.
It's a very exciting time to be alive.
When I started Countercurrents in 2010, I sort of felt like I was one of those scribes, one of those monks in the Middle Ages that was trying to create a record of things in the hope that hundreds and hundreds of years later, somebody might come along and appreciate it.
And honestly, I did not think that the current system would last past 2025.
I read Patrick Buchanan's book, Suicide of a Superpower, and the subtitle is Will America Survive Till 2025 or something like that.
And I thought there's something really valid about that number.
It struck me that given the incredibly negative trends which have only accelerated, the current system can't survive forever.
You can't have an unsustainable system go on forever.
But what I didn't expect, I thought that things would get worse and worse and worse, but what I didn't expect, what surprised me, and what makes me very encouraged, is people are catching on.
People are understanding what's at stake and they're becoming bolder and more willing to talk about it.
At this point, if the government shut down countercurrents and shut down the political festival and AMRAN and all these truth-telling sites and outlets today, if they shut us down today, it wouldn't stop it because the ideas are out there and they're viral and the genie is out of the bottle.
It is, and you've got poll after poll.
I hate to sound so repetitious.
I say I hate to sound repetitious every time I repeat myself, which is almost on a weekly occurrence now when we continue to cite these polls.
I mean, a poll that came out right after the Biden inauguration, I think two months after Biden was inaugurated, it asked the Republican base how important, or excuse me, whether or not their race and identity, whether or not their race or ethnicity was important to their identity.
And 64% said yes.
And I think an even smaller majority said it was very important.
So this is a race consciousness that is growing within the Republican base.
And if you get a guy out there who can give all of these people safe cover, I'm telling you, that's the kerosene to the spark that could really change things.
If you get people with power, because every revolution, as we know, is top-down.
Trump wouldn't have been Trump without the 60, 70 million people who voted for him, of course.
But you're still going to need, those people still are going to need a leader.
So what happens?
Do we need a Franco?
Do we need somebody that's going to come in and lead?
And at that point, is that the only missing ingredient that we lack right now?
Or do we still need a little more, another few years of marination and cultivation?
Well, I don't know.
You can't predict these things.
All my predictions were far, far too conservative.
And this is why I'm being so taken by surprise.
There is a significant number of people who are willing to countenance some sort of shift towards a more authoritarian style of government.
Why?
Well, because the current system is not capable of doing what's necessary to preserve the nation and the common good, preserve its people.
And when that happens, people are willing to say, well, we need somebody to knock heads together.
And there is a tendency already in American democracy where people realize that.
One of the best examples of this was when in the aftermath of the Cold War, this is back in the 90s, there was so much gridlock in Congress about shutting down military bases, which were really not necessary.
Because, of course, every congressional district had its base and it was money going in there.
And so the incentives in place in the Congress just made it impossible for our elected officials to do the right thing.
And so what did they do?
They simply gave the power to a blue ribbon commission.
And in effect, they took it out of the power of elected officials because the elected officials, given the incentive structure, couldn't do the right thing.
It was a gesture in the direction of dictatorship.
They said, okay, we're going to appoint a panel and they will dictate and it's out of our hands because we simply can't be held accountable for this by the voters.
The voters won't let us do the right thing.
So they said.
I think that's a tendency that's only accelerated.
And yeah, people are willing to countenance a stronger leadership model to accomplish the necessary change.
And then the question is, well, who's it going to be?
I don't think it's going to be Trump.
I think that as fond as many people are of him, he was a very, very weak president.
One of the weakest presidents, certainly, that I ever remember.
He was weaker in some ways than Jimmy Carter.
Jimmy Carter, whose State of the Union address was described as more mush from the wimp.
So I don't know if Trump is the guy who could actually do it, but I think there are people with greater political experience and willingness to use state power for the common good, like Ron DeSantis in the wings.
So we don't know who it'll be.
It might be somebody whose name isn't known to us yet, but I think the Republic will be saved.
I think people will definitely try it, and they're willing to think outside the lines increasingly.
Again, polling is showing this is an increasing trend, especially on voters on the right.
And the divide has become so pronounced, there will be no reconciliation.
So however, this goes from here, it won't go back to we're all Americans.
There are at least two nations operating under one geographical space right now here in the United States.
And the red and the blue, if you want to just pare it down to that level, are not going to go back.
They don't want to be together.
They're not going to be there.
Yeah, I agree.
I don't know if it's going to be, you know, I don't think it's going to be secession like in the Civil War or splitting Czechoslovakia up or anything like that.
I think it's going to be more like the Spanish Civil War, which is a very messy situation where people are warning against their own neighbors.
You know what?
I read that very recently, an article that touched on that.
We'll pick up there with Dr. Greg Johnson right after these words.
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Back we are once again with Greg Johnson, and we're talking about how things are going for our people.
And we're going to put a little emphasis on the FBI raid, as we promised you we would here in this segment while going back to what Greg last said before the previous break on how if it does fall apart, this war won't be one like the war between the states.
This will be a war that could possibly and listen, by the way, we're not advocating for that.
As a father, I certainly don't want that for my children.
I do want a better life for my children.
I want them to live in a society and under a system of government that doesn't teach them to hate themselves and isn't anti-white.
But we have to be practical.
We have to look at this from every angle.
And if it does fall apart, it could be something that is fought neighbor to neighbor and street to street and community to community.
It'd be very different, as Greg mentioned, as the Spanish Civil War was.
But you mentioned a couple of things, Greg.
Trump betraying his class and how he was never forgiven.
I look back on all of the things that happened to Trump after he announced his candidacy.
And of course, after he won the election against Hillary Clinton, you had the Russia Gate.
He was impeached two or three times, January 6th, and now this FBI raid.
And I don't think this FBI raid, there's going to be much more to that than there was to any of the other stuff.
It's just an obstacle.
It's just another thing.
But is the enemy, you know, the enemy can make mistakes.
The enemy is not infallible.
Are they, again, overreaching?
As they always do in the end, it is their nature.
You mentioned Buchanan a moment ago.
He wrote in his most recent column about this.
We are a country whose people have a diminishing confidence in almost all of its institutions, from big business to the churches, universities, and media.
Public approval of Biden's performance is at the lowest level ever recorded for a president at this point in his first term.
Trust in the media is gone.
Trust in elections is gone.
So, Greg, the question to you is, how is all of this a good thing for us?
Well, it's a good thing because as their power declines, our ability to change things rises.
They're keeping us down, and they're keeping the country on a terrible path that can only lead to destruction.
And the weaker they become, the stronger we are, and the more chance we have to deal with things.
I think the Mar-a-Lago raid was a terrible idea.
Okay, what's the best case scenario for these people?
The best case scenario is they find some way of turning Donald Trump into a martyr and preventing him from running for president again.
Okay, well, what will that do?
Well, that will make many, many more people, including independent voters, disaffected with the establishment, feel like it's repressive, it's dishonest, etc.
So it's just going to cause even further erosion in public trust in the establishment.
And it would also, frankly, take out a very popular candidate who is not a particularly effective opponent.
This is the thing.
Trump was a paper tiger for the most part.
Now we're talking.
But these people don't see it that way.
Part of this at the root, a lot of this at the root, is simply Hillary Clinton gaslighting everybody around her and the Democratic Party, which seems to be just a Clinton-controlled mafia to an astonishing extent, into thinking that Donald Trump is the devil himself because he beat Hillary Clinton.
Well, Donald Trump actually was a very ineffective president.
If Trump is taken out of the running, that opens the door for people who are far more articulate, like Tucker Carlson, and far more effective as politicians like Ron DeSantis.
People who could actually be far more effective in carrying forward nationalist and populist policies and actually making them stick.
So this is the best case scenario for these people.
They take Trump out, but that just means that they're going to face more formidable foes and a public that trusts them less and is more willing to award power to somebody like DeSantis or Carlson or whatever.
It's an extremely stupid move on their part, and they've done this.
To hear you say all of this makes me excited even as I hold this microphone in hand.
Because I agree with that.
That is exactly my take on it.
And I think we mentioned this briefly, or at least in passing, on last week's program.
But it seems as though these people are so enveloped in their coastal bubble and that they do things to impress one another to such an extent that, or perhaps they're just motivated by an animus of hatred against the Trump voters and the working and middle white classes of America.
Whatever it is, I think it's a gross miscalculation.
Why, when you are in control of every lever of institutional power, when everything is going your way, why?
Why?
Listen, I'm not trying to correct them.
I want them to continue to make these mistakes, but I'm trying to look at it from their point of view and how this could be something that will benefit them.
And I just don't see it, Greg.
I don't see it either.
And then the question becomes, well, what motivates them to do this?
In the end, it's just their nature.
They can't help themselves.
There's such thing as toxic people.
There are toxic people who make everyone around themselves miserable, who have self-defeating behavior patterns.
And the Democratic Party and the left is just human toxicity very large.
And it's going to have the same consequences as it does in personal relationships, only on a much bigger scale, with much greater suffering.
And in the end, you can ask people, why did you destroy your marriage?
Why did you destroy your family?
Why did you ruin your life?
And we know that people do this all the time.
In the end, it's just who they are.
They can't help themselves, I think.
You wish they could change, but all politics is identity politics.
And the people who run our society today have toxic personalities, toxic ideologies.
They are motivated, I think, to a great extent just by hatreds, hatreds of people like you and me.
And it can only lead to disaster.
And ultimately, it's in their nature.
They can't help themselves.
And so they're going to keep making these mistakes until their power is spent, until their credibility is shot, until people stop returning their phone calls and stop voting for them.
And then we can have a change.
And that day is coming quicker than I thought it would.
And yeah, the Mar-a-Lago raid is a terrible miscalculation.
Best case scenario, they take Trump out, which would actually make the right stronger.
Worst case scenario for them is that, you know, this is just a big nothing, and Trump survives and runs for office.
And he, again, he's got the mantle of martyrdom, and he's really, really angry.
Heads and then tails and loses.
I love those odds.
Yes, and my philosophy throughout my career, which has been entirely, my entire adult life has been spent doing this, has been to do your duty, to do your duty and to serve your audience and your people in whatever way that they can draw inspiration or hope or encouragement or information or whatever.
You do your duty and then you do that throughout life and then you're gone.
But I had always hoped that within my lifetime, we might see some sort of a change.
And I thought that, well, maybe it could happen.
But now I think, Greg, there is a direct line connecting us from here to there that could play itself out within this decade.
I don't think that that's too, it might not happen, but I think that there's a realistic shot at it the way things are going right now.
And, you know, you look at history.
Obviously, civilizations rise and fall.
There is nothing special or magical about the American experiment.
It's been a pretty good run on this continent for the last 300, 400 years, I guess.
But there's nothing that says that the American form of government, the American system as we see it today, is going to exist in perpetuity until the end of time.
And in fact, obviously, trends are suggesting that that is going to change, perhaps sooner, as you said, than we realize.
And when it does change, it could look totally different.
Or do you think that it could look the same, but just with our people in control?
That's totally hypothetical and there's no way to know, but I'd like to ask you that question.
Well, ultimately, okay, that's a great question.
We talk about what a white-centered society would look like.
Well, we have plenty of examples of that.
We don't have to go back too far in American history before we find Supreme Court justices and U.S. presidents and people like that saying things that would get them canceled today.
It's things like that you and I say all the time.
So it's appealing to think that we can return to something like the United States was in the past, where we have pretty much the same form of government, pretty much the same culture and society.
We've just sort of purged ourselves of evil influences.
We've woken up after a long nightmare, basically, and returned to being who we were.
I think that's perfectly conceivable.
But, you know, it could be very different.
We just don't know.
All right, we're going to take a break right there.
We've got one more segment with Greg Johnson, and we're going to ask him what we should be doing in our collective to better prepare ourselves and our ideas for whatever may come.
That's what we'll do next.
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So, Greg, you have been around for a long time in this movement, this collective, whatever you want to call it.
The people that we regularly feature on this show, you are familiar with all of them and work in cooperation with many of them.
You've seen a lot of individuals come and go, a lot of fads come and go.
But the way things are developing, I think we can agree that somehow, some way, this is all going to fall apart.
This is no longer what it was 20 years ago.
You mentioned this a moment ago when a few people at small gatherings would fantasize about secession.
I think that there is a clear path now towards the dissolution of the United States as we know it.
And by the way, we ought not hasten it.
It's going to happen with or without what we might do as individuals.
And what I mean by that is, what I mean by that is not working towards a better tomorrow.
What I mean by that is don't do anything foolhardy if you're listening.
Don't be violent.
Don't go out there and do something that they can use.
But we do need to prepare, okay?
So we do need to have organizations and institutions and think tanks and media ready to fill the vacuum.
So that's the question we ask Craig Johnson.
What can our collective be doing right now to solidify our standing for that day to come?
Well, I wrote an article years ago called First Do No Harm.
Because in politics, we have this idea that you've got to do something.
There's a problem.
You've got to do something.
Our politicians have to do something.
You're an activist.
You have to do something.
Whereas in medicine, the first principle is do no harm.
First, do no harm.
And I think we should follow that medical maxim, first to do no harm.
Yes, the initial desire is to do something, but there are many things that you can do that are not actually helpful.
And you've got to be careful.
You've got to be able to discriminate between things that are helpful and things that are not.
And if you're about to do something that'll do harm, don't do it.
Just don't do something that's harmful.
Do something that's sensible.
Well, what are some of the things that we can do that are sensible?
Well, at this point, there are many, many things.
First of all, I do think that many people for decades have made mistakes thinking that the collapse is near.
And they have not taken care of their own lives.
They've not built their careers.
They've not started families.
They've not pursued educations.
They've been just convinced that it's all going to end.
One thing I've learned over the years, and this is something that everyone knows about, say, investing, you never call the top of the market.
You never call the bottom of the market.
We just don't know these things.
And yeah, I think things are getting very, very exciting now, but you can't just put your life on hold in expectation of the end because it might not happen.
And in the meantime, you've got to be living your life.
You've got to be taking care of your personal affairs, making steps forward, being the best version of yourself you can be, etc.
Don't just become a political junkie and waste away waiting for the end to happen.
Keep your life on course because when things do change, we want everybody to be strong and at their best, to have great careers and great families and great networks of friends.
And these social networks especially are going to be extremely important.
So just keep building your life.
Keep going along with that.
Keep your eye on politics.
And some of us, though, some of us are in a position where we can actually throw in in politics.
And it's a canard, as some people like to say, a canard that a white nationalist couldn't get elected dog catcher in America.
I don't know if there are jurisdictions where dog catcher is in elective office, but I would like somebody out there who's listening to us to prove that canard wrong and aim higher too.
Those of us who are in a position in our lives where we have standing in our communities and respect from other people and social networks and maybe some money, we should be thinking about getting involved in politics.
I was looking at the program for the upcoming American Renaissance Conference.
And on the program is Steve King, a former U.S. representative.
And on the program is Laura Loomer, who's a future U.S. representative, if not two years from now, four years from now, because she's got stick-to-itiveness and she's going to get into office someday.
That's really encouraging.
Former and future elected officials in the House of Representatives are openly consorting with white nationalists under Jared's big tent at Amran in November.
That's extraordinary.
So there's a kind of a sea change going on here.
Our ideas are going into the mainstream and the mainstream is making steps towards us.
I think that that's going to lead to a very, very fertile meeting in the near future.
Again, as the existing system's power declines and our power as a movement rises, there's going to come a point where those two, those rising and declining lines cross, right?
Where our power is going to suddenly exceed theirs.
And then suddenly change will happen very, very rapidly.
So if you're in a position to start making political moves in your community, whether you want to be an open white nationalist or just sort of an uppity white person, as I like to say, a white person who's not going to be pushed around anymore, a white person who's going to stand up against critical race theory and immigration, that's a huge number of people.
That's tens of millions of white Americans are now in that category, the Trump voters.
If you can do that, I think now is a good time to do that.
Now is a good time to build experience.
And if at first you don't succeed, learn and come back at it.
Because I do think that people who have wisdom and stick-to-itiveness are going to carry the day.
We have to work very hard at this, obviously.
But as the times get more and more receptive, it's going to get easier and easier to break through.
Greg, what you're talking about is so practical, but it's so on point as well.
You have to assess what your opportunities are in your own individual life.
If you have the opportunity to run for office, then do that.
And by the way, a loss isn't always a loss.
Had I not run and lost for a seat in the Tennessee state legislature in 2002, there would have never been this radio program, which I've been doing now for the last 18 years.
And that is not, I mean, that is not an abstract thing.
One directly led into the other.
Yeah.
And so you never know if you look for open doors where the next one will lead you.
But perhaps running for office, not everybody can start a radio program.
Not everybody can do what Greg is doing.
Everybody can support the people that are out there doing good work in different ways.
But you know best what's going on in your life and in your community and how you can play a role.
Maybe it's getting on a school board.
I don't know.
I mean, just do an inventory, do a self-assessment.
But I was talking with a university professor who's a friend of mine and he's a professor at a major university and he was at my home.
And of course, he's still undercover.
But it does just go to show that there are a lot of people out there in positions of authority that do think like us, but the time hasn't come yet.
And I was talking to him about this, Greg, the very thing we're talking about now.
And he was talking about how everybody wants to storm the ramparts.
And he said something that was very, very meaningful to me.
And he said, you can't fight that way right now.
Right now, you can't go and join an army.
You can't go and storm the keep.
Completely unadvisable.
But there are things you can do.
Everybody can do something.
So take a look and see how you can play a role in something better for our people.
And remember, you're not an individual.
You're part of a collective.
That's the way we have to see it.
But you mentioned Steve King, and Jared was on the program most recently, two or three weeks ago.
And I, you know, of course, tend to agree with most every guest I have on this program because this is a propaganda organ.
We're not a non-biased source.
So I have people on who have the ability to further the message.
But what everything you have said tonight has just really, really pumped me up.
But I was talking to Jared about that lineup, Bloomer and King specifically.
And of course, he has a sitting member of the Estonian parliament, Ruben Caleb, that's going to be back.
And there are a lot of people in Europe that are doing good work, Philip DeWinner, who's, I guess, on this program.
And Europe's a little bit different than America.
But with regards to their parliamentary systems, but Steve King, you know, we always liked Steve King.
He said a lot of good things.
And I remember talking to Steve King at the Republican National Convention when we were up there.
But Steve King went from censuring himself at one point, voting to censure himself from committee appointments, to now saying a white man can't get a fair trial in D.C. and Merrick Garland is a Jew.
So everybody, it seems, Greg, wherever they were five years ago, they are progressing.
If they started at ground zero, they're progressing.
If they were where Steve King was five years ago, he's progressing.
Everybody's moving forward.
That's real progress.
Yeah, that's absolutely true.
I've always stressed that everybody who's interested in our ideas needs to do whatever they can.
And I don't know their mind.
I don't know their situation.
I can't judge them.
Everybody needs to determine his own level of commitment and involvement and explicitness.
And I'm going to respect that decision no matter what it is.
But I'm also going to constantly nag to expand your comfort zone so you're willing to do more.
And I think that if we respect people where they are, but constantly, gently encourage them to try more, to do more, then that's the ticket.
We don't want to push people away by demanding that they do things that are simply not possible at the current time in their lives.
We have to let them evolve and grow and be comfortable because if they're not comfortable with it, well, they're not going to be very effective.
But I'm seeing so many people's comfort zones expanding.
Their willingness to speak out expand.
Their willingness to act expand.
And this is very, very good.
So I'm, yeah, again, I find people like Steve King very, very encouraging.
Greg Johnson, you have hit a grand slam tonight.
I think this has certainly been one of the best interviews of the year and one of the most meaningful and impactful.
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That's countercurrents with a hyphen.
If you don't put the hyphen in, you end up in a Marxist website from India.
So you've got to get them on counter-currents.com.
And that's my main platform.
Everything else that I do is linked to that.
I'm on Telegram.
I'm on Gab.
And I would very much like to have some new readers and listeners.
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