July 30, 2022 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
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It's Saturday evening, July the 30th, and we're back with Brad Griffin again this evening, the editor-in-chief and founder of Occidental Descent.
We had Brad back on June the 25th was his most recent appearance, so not that long ago.
And I'll tell you why we're bringing Brad back in just a second.
But first, let's let him say hello, Brad.
How are you doing tonight?
Doing great, James.
Thanks for having me.
Well, thanks for coming.
Back on that aforementioned program on the 25th of June, I had Lauren Witzke on.
You were on that program too.
You came on right after her.
But we had Lauren on because there was a big rush of news articles that were coming out in mid-June attacking Christian nationalism.
And you know how it works, Brad.
Once one outlet does it, they all speak with the same voice.
So there was a proliferation in mid-June of all of the sudden, really kind of out of nowhere, all of the established press organs.
Yeah, right, that's right.
And it was attacking Christian nationalism.
Now, Lauren is always a lot of fun to have on the radio.
She identifies as a Christian nationalist.
So I thought she'd be a good pick to have on to talk about that.
So we did that.
And then you came on immediately after her as we talked more about the prospects of a national divorce.
It was a really good show.
But since then, this has really gone and accelerated to the next level.
And that was, I think, in large part precipitated by Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, who said this week that the GOP is the party of Christian nationalism.
Now, folks, I had thought about having Lauren back on tonight to talk about it again.
I was thinking maybe Reverend Jim Dolson over in Ulster, who's really good takes on this topic.
But Brad has written so much about it at OD this week.
I think there's at least a half dozen, eight, 10 articles that he's posted at OD about Christian nationalism.
And we're going to give it a deep dive here this hour.
I mean, we're going to look at it from every angle, what the media is saying about it, why they are so upset, why the enemy is so upset, and Brad's going to help us do it.
So, Brad, what does it mean?
I mean, is Christian nationalism ascendant?
You've been writing about it.
You've done the research.
Present your findings.
First of all, it's important to understand that Christian nationalism isn't a new idea.
This is something that's been around for a long time.
It really kind of, I would say, faded as we go through the 60s and 70s.
But in the 40s and 50s, there were prominent people in our circles like Gerald L.K. Smith, a well-known figure, ran against Roosevelt on the America First Party ticket.
And he was the champion of Christian nationalism.
And so this stuff has been out there for a long time.
What Christian nationalism is, is basically the idea that Christians should be ruled by Christians and Christians should control every key node in society, right?
So there's this thing that's been circulating.
It's called the Seven Mountains mandate.
And if I'm not mistaken, I believe this comes out of the Pentecostal world, which I'm not that familiar with.
Evangelicals and Pentecostals have been spreading this idea that Christians need to reconquer what they call the seven mountains.
And these are family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business, and government.
And the idea is that Christians should capture all those institutions and those institutions should be controlled by people who have explicitly Christian values.
And, you know, that's how you win the culture war and preserve a Christian culture and get rid of these degenerate trends.
There's a book out there that's kind of like a manifesto of this movement, I understand.
It's called Invading Babylon.
And it talks about the Seven Mountains mandate.
So all these evangelical churches and Pentecostal churches have been discussing this idea under the radar for years.
And if I'm not mistaken, this all seems like it all exploded in the last few, this has been going on for years, especially since 2012, 2013 or so.
But this really exploded and took root over the last two or three weeks because liberals on Twitter discovered this phenomenon for the first time.
And there was a big study and a book that came out about it talking about what white Christian nationalists believe.
And then that's become to like the liberals are panicking about it.
And that's why it's in the news.
And of course, Marjorie Taylor Greene being, you know, a troll who likes to like, you know, push edgy ideas, identified herself with it.
And it's all blown up from there.
But what it basically is, is the idea, like I said, Christians should rule Christians and Christians should control, you know, these seven nodes of society.
And that's what, you know, determines culture, which is true, in my opinion.
And it's a huge improvement over, as we'd call it, true conservatism.
I'm going to get to some of the comments, Brad, that you have written.
You had some really good takes, as you always do.
I don't think there's very many shows that go by that we don't reference something that we've read at OD in the previous week.
So it's always great to actually have you on to talk about it with you one-on-one.
But we're going to unpack those.
I think I've got a pretty good layout for this hour, but we're just sort of setting the table right now, and then we're going to start to eat the food.
But as you wrote, Twitter's losing its mind over what Marjorie Taylor Greene said.
The leftist media is losing its mind.
The Republican Party's primary focus this year should be on making the party one of Christian nationalism, Marjorie Taylor Greene said on Saturday.
And again, another quote, we need to be the party of nationalism.
And I'm a Christian, and I say it proudly.
We should be Christian nationalists, he said in an interview.
And she said to the interview, she interviewed with Cat Turd.
You know, so this is, Brad, you know, we're talking about all the different pieces of evidence to shoot.
Right, right.
He's a MAGA influencer.
He's an irritant.
He's a right-of-center guy.
He mostly has really good takes.
And he has a huge social media following.
But this just, again, another little piece of evidence to show that the Republican base and now even certain Republican high-ranking elected officials are really moving in our direction.
So here's Marjorie Taylor Greene with cat turd saying she's a Christian nationalism, which of course the left immediately links to white nationalism.
And of course, since they use the terms interchangeably anyway, white supremacism, Republicans need to prove to the American people that we are Christian nationalists.
So, and of course, as I just said, instantly they started, it was trending on Twitter, Brad, you may have seen a couple of days ago.
She's a Nazi.
She's a Nazi was trending with Marjorie Taylor Greene over the fact that Christo fascism because she says she is a Christian and a nationalist.
They instantly went, instantly took them to Nazi.
We'll pick up there.
We'll pick up there when we come back, but we've got so much more.
There is not going to be a wasted second this hour with Brad Griffin of occidentaldescent.com.
Check it out.
We're talking about the ascendancy of Christian nationalism and why it's got the ADL and everybody else so upset.
Stay tuned.
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Okay, back with Brad Griffin talking about Christian nationalism.
What is it?
What does it mean?
Is it good for our people?
Why is the left so apoplectic over this?
And how did Marjorie Taylor Greene light the fuse with her comments?
Just a few days ago, I was on an interview just earlier, Brad, on another program, and I was talking about the fact that you look at the reasons that the Founding Fathers declared their independence from Great Britain.
Look at the differences that led to the war between the states.
And they very much, in both of those cases, pale in comparison to the issues that divide us now.
I mean, what you've got now is, I think, the eternal souls of our children and of our people on the line.
I mean, you have now, we're not arguing and quibbling over taxation or even other issues that were very real and legitimate.
I mean, certainly the South was justified in seceding for those reasons, but they were still basically one people.
It was still a white nation.
There was still a Christian faith that predominated.
They still had the same holidays for the most part.
Very big differences, but not the kind of differences that we see now, where it is just so fundamentally these people are so fundamentally alien from us, it is almost impossible for us to stay under the same government.
And you're talking now about the difference between eternal salvation and turning your children over to transgenderism and drag queen story hour and things like that.
And so this is, I think, one of the, you know, part of the reason that you see people like Marjorie Taylor Greene speaking out in this way.
She writes, I am being attacked by the godless left because I say I'm a proud Christian nationalist.
This is after everything blew up.
These evil people are even calling me a Nazi because I proudly love my country and my God.
They have shown us exactly who they are.
They hate America.
They hate God.
And they hate us.
And they do, Brad.
And they do hate us and they do want us dead.
And you have to ask, why would we want to stay in a union and in a relationship with people like this?
But I'll tell you one thing about Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Yes, you can be a little kooky on some things, but I'll tell you, she's got bigger balls than most men I know.
And the day men decide that they're no longer going to be afraid of being called racist or Nazi by the people who want them dead, that's going to be the day our house starts getting put back in order.
Oh, I've always liked Marge.
I think she's, number one, she's a troll, so she likes to, you know, push the edges of the discourse, open up the Overton window.
And she also almost always votes the right way, too.
So that's right.
I mean, I wish we had more people like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Even though, you know, she can be kind of corny at sometimes in a Sarah Palin kind of way.
That's a small, it's a small thing.
Like I said over there, I think I've written this on OD.
I mean, we used to live in a society where, you know, Christians controlled all these institutions, and Christianity was the dominant culture until like about maybe a century, 100, 120 years ago.
And what's really happened over the last century is that Christianity is not the dominant culture in the United States anymore.
The dominant culture, the elites who run this country are overwhelmingly almost 100% secular liberals.
And so like you have millions upon millions and millions and millions of conservative Christians, and these people like are completely shut out of every key institution in society, like the media, entertainment.
People who have these alien values control these institutions and they just poison Christian culture.
Now, the thing that I see, the thing that I'm most excited about is if I had to describe the problem, it's that for ever since World War II, even before that, the right has been defined by right liberalism or conservative liberalism or Reaganism.
And what this ideology basically does is it rationalizes and justifies the loss of all these institutions.
So it's completely okay for Hollywood in the entertainment industry to be controlled by absolute enemies of Christians who use those institutions to poison the culture because that's freedom.
You know, it would be rationalized and explained away and blessed.
And what's happening here as this Seven Mountains mandate theology spreads is it is a rejection of liberalism going on.
People aren't rationalizing their dispossession anymore.
They understand we got to have people like us in control of these key institutions.
Otherwise, we are going to be wiped out and lose our culture.
So that's, you know, it's this turn away from liberalism is critical.
And it's something which people who are by no means Christian nationalists have been calling for for 75 years now.
I mean, people who are not Christian nationalists have been complaining about these people who control the media and the entertainment industry for as long as I've been around.
They mean understand the same problem.
But it's just now that, you know, a lot of evangelical Christians are taking off the Reaganite blinders.
And that's a great thing.
They pushed the envelope too far with trans, I think.
Trans specifically was, you know, a mic drop moment.
Like, this is the bridge too far.
We can't, you know, tolerate this.
Let's go ahead.
No, yeah.
Trans and critical race theory basically were just one on top of the other at a point when everything was a powder keg on the hills of George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, and it just really became combustible.
And of course, we have all of the evidence that all the polls we've been citing for the last year and a half that's proven that the Republican base is already moving naturally in this direction, as we talked about with you the last time we were on, radicalizing at their own speed.
And all of this stuff has just really accelerated it.
Now, there is one thing I want to talk to you about, and you've covered this at OD this week as well.
And that is how our enemies see Christians and white nationalists, for lack of a better term, as one and the same.
Whereas white nationalists sometimes want to split hairs with Christians.
Let's talk about this for just a moment.
So again, Marjorie Taylor Greene says she's a Christian nationalist.
They instantly call her a Nazi because they consider these things to be interrelated.
Now, if you're tuning into the program for the first time, folks, I came up with a handy media to English dictionary years ago that I think you need to apply when you're reading stories like this.
The media doesn't use words the way most people use them.
When you see the word racist, that means a white person.
When you see the word white supremacist, that means a white person who doesn't hate themselves.
Anti-Semite, that just means you're a Gentile.
And a neo-Nazi is a Gentile who publicly disagrees with the Jew.
That's the way these terms are used.
But as you said, Brad, I would say, I'm reading directly your quote now.
All of this talk about white Christian nationalism, a national divorce, and the great replacement, which is, again, another key area for hope, is that 75% of the Trump voting base now believes that there is a great replacement.
And they believe that it's happening.
And of course it is.
And this is all an improvement over what we had during the MAGA years.
So we're moving forward.
Now, with regards to Christian nationalism, though, I am a Christian nationalist.
Actually, my Wikipedia page, which is just awful, they even wrote Christian nationalist on there.
And that was years and years and years ago.
I have no white guilt.
I don't apologize for the greatness of our forebears.
I'm not ashamed of the conquistadors or the explorers or the settlers or the pioneers or the missionaries who were, by and large, Christians.
We need more men like that.
And I say you don't have to choose between Christianity and nationalism.
Why not have both?
I identify as both.
To me, at least in my experiences in life, there are no inconsistencies.
But yes, if I inquired into the faith as an adult by visiting one of these mainline megachurches, I couldn't but look at the faith and gag.
I get that.
So if you didn't have the opportunity, as I did, to grow up in the 1980s and attend a very small and truly traditional Southern Baptist congregation, I can understand you saying, hey, this is part of the problem.
And it has become part of the problem.
But my experience with the faith was that it was wonderful.
It was beautiful.
I wouldn't be the man I am today or the advocate that I am without that ingredient being baked into my cake.
I understand if you didn't have that, you can despise what you see coming out of the head tables of these denominational leaderships.
But it is an institution like any other.
That's all the church is.
It can be subverted like any other, and it has, but it can also be, Brad, a mighty weapon for us if properly channeled.
People like Father Coughlin, you want to talk about Christian nationalists that were on our side.
There can be men like that.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, absolutely.
I mean, a lot of people, you know, they get hung up on this.
And they, I'm not a Christian and such.
We need to, you know, solely on the basis of race.
And it's like, number one, my response to that is number one, it's like, you know, I mean, you can be white, but people like, you know, have a different take on that.
Some people like, you know, hate being white.
They're ashamed of being white.
They feel guilty about being white.
They think, you know, that's something to punish people over.
I mean, literally, this is what they believe.
They tell us this all the time.
You can go on Twitter and you'll find it every day.
And also, you know, there's just, there's no guidance there to like what kind of values a society is going to have.
Right.
So like you can have someone who's white.
And like I said, just go on Twitter and look at these people.
They're awful.
There has to be something more there.
That's just my take on it.
We're going to continue to plumb the depths of this topic and give you some examples of Christians who you wouldn't want to be associated with and some that actually could lead us to greater heights.
That's coming up next.
Stay tuned.
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Welcome back, everybody, talking about Christian nationalism this hour with Brad Griffin of OccidentalDissent.com.
And Brad, we wrapped up the last segment by talking about Christianity itself as a utility for our people, and that the media certainly equates Christianity with all of the things that they say we are, white supremacists and Nazis, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's getting that in response to her claiming she's a Christian nationalist.
But of course, some people in our ranks blame Christianity for the lot that white people have been subjected to in recent years.
And I'll tell you, listen, I know a lot of cucked out Christians that I'm not.
We can speak from experience.
Yeah, well, sure, sure.
I mean, there are people in the church that I wouldn't want to, as Keith Alexander says, touch with a vaccinated crowbar.
There are a lot of times there are people that don't share my faith that I would gladly be in a foxhole with over some of these people.
But at the same time, there is nothing that gives a man immunity when he walks, when he crosses the threshold of a church house that is going to inoculate him from the poisons from societies that he's carrying in.
So what I'm saying is if you're poisoned, you're going to bring that poison and that ideology into the church, and it's going to infect the church, of course, that it has.
But there's a couple of ways to look at this.
Now, you've written an OD this week that I have heard from various authorities that white Christian nationalism has never been a thing because Christianity is incompatible with nationalism, racism, and white identity.
Now, that's a boilerplate thing that you hear.
Right, right.
But no, this is exactly what you're hearing, though, from people.
And I think it's a direct quote.
I've heard Russell Moore say that exactly.
The church authorities will say Christianity is not at all compatible with racism.
What is that?
I mean, they certainly don't have a problem with black identity or any other identity.
They just don't like white identity.
Then you got the Pope, who's in Canada this week.
He wrote on his own Twitter or whoever runs the Pope's Twitter wrote, I have come to your native land.
He's talking about indigenous Indians, Canadian Indians, I guess.
I have come to your native lands to tell you in person of my sorrow, to implore God's forgiveness, healing, and reconciliation, to express my closeness and pray with you and for you.
Well, yeah, if I didn't know anything better about Christianity and I saw the Pope saying that, I wouldn't want to have any part of it.
We're not going to apologize for our forebears who were predominantly Christian.
But on the other hand, you've got Christians like Andrew Torba of Gab, who just this week wrote, We are no longer going to be bullied into submission and silence by 2% of the population.
I can't imagine who he's talking about with that 2%.
We will glorify our king.
We will speak freely.
We will talk about whatever we want.
We will criticize anyone we want.
Deal with it or leave.
Sincerely, the no longer silent supermajority, Andrew Torba of Gab, who identifies as a Christian nationalist and who is advising the GOP nominee for governor, by the way, in Pennsylvania, says that biblical Christian men are going to take dominion over every aspect of society for your own good.
Look at the fruits of what happens when we allow Jews, non-believers, and atheists to run our country.
Now, I ask you, non-believing white, would you rather be living under the dominion of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Andrew Torba and Micah Perutka and people like this or the current system?
I don't think there's much of a choice there, Brad.
That's a great, and this is one reason why I like Christian nationalism.
Now, I haven't checked, but I'm sure you can check after the broadcast.
Has Russell Moore condemned Christian nationalism yet?
Because I'm pretty sure.
Surely, surely.
I'm pretty sure he's on the other side of the issue.
Now, the Pope, I'm sure the Pope will also condemn Christian nationalism.
And also, I mean, I did a special item on my blog, and I pointed out how the, I mean, I'm a, you know, I identify with the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, but Elka had the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America come out and condemned Christian nationalism.
Of course, you know, I posted that next to women pastors and like a Lutheran pastor in Chicago dressed as a drag queen in front of his conversation.
Now, that is completely Christian, but Christian nationalism is too far.
I mean, it just is laughable, right?
I mean, it's a great test.
Because, I mean, all the wrong, all the right people are going to condemn Christian nationalism.
I mean, it really helps, you know, identify this people who are subverting Christianity in the name of liberalism, in my view.
Well, you've got so many.
You've got so many weak and impotent and ineffective Christians.
I mean, if they are even truly Christians, like Russell Moore, like so many, like the heads of any denomination.
I mean, we could sit here and list them.
It'd be quicker to list the leaders of churches that aren't this way than the ones that are.
And so I get that.
You don't want to have any part of that.
And of course, this is the thing.
I mean, when you have the church package the saving grace of Christ with this suicide cult of immigration and weak leadership, it's going to alienate men who are the natural leaders of families from the faith.
So I get all of that.
But here again, you have Andrew Torba, who identifies as a Christian nationalist, saying the things that he says.
And I'll tell you, if you get white men to uncuck themselves, like we see from Torba, like we see that we're seeing increasingly with different leaders and different people with major followings, you know, all of this can end very quickly.
I really do believe, Brad, that it is a very tenuous hold that the system has over our people right now.
do believe that it can fall apart and crumble within our lifetime.
We were talking about this the last time you were on.
Over the course of this next decade, by the end of the 2020s, I mean, you look at the change that has happened just over the course of the last couple of years, it is exciting to imagine where we could be by the end of this decade, the way things are accelerating.
I don't even think we have the capacity to imagine it.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, my view is that we're living in a degenerate period of history and that this is a phase and there's been all kinds of degenerate periods in history and phases before.
And, you know, there's always usually eventually a reaction against that.
And culture like changes again and it ebbs and flows like this.
And I think some people like, you know, will get so pessimistic, so blackpilled on where we are now that they can't, they imagine that things have always been this way or always will get worse.
Yeah, that's right.
And then we just know that history doesn't run that way, that there's nothing about it that runs in a straight line and things will ebb and flow.
And in fact, that's not the exception.
That's the rule.
And we should have always known that it would swing back.
The pendulum would inevitably swing back at some point.
But I think, you know, you look back, Brad, to you and I are the same age.
We're both family men.
We've both been in this cause our entire adult lives.
And, you know, when I went back, you go back to the founding of this program in the mid-2000s and even as recently as the early 2010s, of course, we wanted to stoke the embers and continue to instill our listeners and the people who tune into this program or read your blog with any hope and knowledge that we could impart.
But everything has changed now in so much as now you can actually see the potential for a resolution, whereas then we were just doing our duty.
Now you can actually see the potential for great change.
Not just in our lifetimes, but before we get old.
I mean, things just seem to be getting more and more radicalized.
And I mean, like, this idea especially is that, I mean, this idea is absolutely revolutionary in potential because this is a mass Christian base.
We're saying we're being ruled by people who don't share our values.
And this is like rationalizing, overthrowing those people.
So like, this is puts, you know, things on a collision course.
Instead of rationalizing the leadership we have today in the name of liberalism, it's just saying you'll have to be outright overthrown.
And one of the reasons, one of the reasons Christian nationalism is all in the news is because there's all these studies out that has linked people who believe who have this, who come out of these evangelical churches and who believe this stuff to 16, the capital riot that they're obsessed with.
And they're saying, well, 1.6 was a Christian nationalist rebellion, which in some sense it was.
I mean, that just goes to show you how volatile the situation is.
Where this could go.
Yes.
And you had written, too, something that I thought was quite profound.
You have written that all of this stuff and you had written last week that so many of the issues that are out there are a package deal.
If you are pro-abortion, you're most likely pro-trans and pro-immigration and pro-all of these other things.
And if you are against these things, you are more likely to be at least naturally aligned with us, even on the core issues of race and identity.
And you wrote that the rise of Christian nationalism will put white Christians on a collision course with the people pulling the strings right now.
And How do you think that ends?
Do you think our people will have what it takes to take this and to take the arrows and the spears that'll come from people at the ADL for them standing up and speaking out?
Do you think we have what it takes?
I think our people are getting more encouraged and emboldened.
I don't know if they're uncomfortable enough yet to do what needs to be done.
I guess we'll find out.
But that collision course analogy was really striking to me.
We'll talk a little bit more about Brad with that in an hour that's going by far too quickly.
One more segment with Brad Griffin next.
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Our conversation with Brad Griffin about Christian nationalism, which was set off by Marjorie Taylor Greene and her comments this week and the left's reaction to it continues.
One more segment here, and I'm going to just read Brad just a trio of comments from various establishment news outlets, and then we'll get your take.
This is what they're saying about it, though.
In a healthy multiracial democracy, Gab CEO Andrew Torba would be politically radioactive.
And we read his comments in the previous segment.
But in the United States in 2022, he is a paid campaign consultant for the Republican nominee for governor of Pennsylvania.
Again, Brad, showing you how far things have changed just since the Trump era.
Another comment here from establishment media: the rise of, and here they again use it, white Christian nationalism.
They don't differentiate between whites and Christians and nationalists.
Our people do sometimes.
They don't.
That's why we all need to close ranks together.
The rise of white Christian nationalism is terrifying for us in a lot of ways.
At this weekend's Trump rally, the crowd cheered, turning their religious beliefs into law to ban abortion.
Yet Democrats refuse to call this what it is, Christian nationalism.
Democracy and Christian nationalism cannot, in all caps, cannot coexist.
Well, that's fine with me because I don't want to live in a democracy.
Rachel Maddow, and then I'll turn it back to Brad.
Rachel Maddow writes: Given the history of Christian nationalism in the United States, you'd think Republicans would be reluctant to be associated with it.
But that's not the case for Trump Republicans, particularly the Republican nominee for governor of Pennsylvania, Doug Mastriano.
And then, in addition to that, Brad, you've got Michael Perutka, who is now the Republican nominee for Attorney General in Maryland.
You had Lauren Witzke, who we talked about earlier, who was the Republican nominee for senator in Delaware.
By the way, I really love when non-Christians, and really not just non-Christians, they're anti-Christians, like Rachel Maddow and Jonathan Greenblatt.
I love when they give advice on what Christianity is or isn't and what it should or shouldn't be.
Of course, they want it to remain impotent and serve their interests and not be something that would oppose their schemes.
But it looks like we may be trending away from that.
And you wrote, Brad, that you think MAGA should be encouraged to evolve into this.
It ought to dump the drag queens and the rest of the baggage, like Jared Kushner.
Absolutely.
And it's something that you could vote for, you write.
I could vote for this.
Right, right, right.
Oh, I was responding to the Rachel Maddissegment.
When they decry Christian nationalism, and this isn't normal, what they mean, what is normal to them is ruled by people like them who are either Jewish or an atheist or an extreme progressive or an extreme liberal.
I mean, the way things are supposed to be in their mind is, you know, they control all the institutions in society and they tell everyone below them what to do and then they accept that, right?
So like it's it's it's it's authoritarianism when the Supreme Court returns the issue of abortion to the states where people in states like Alabama, Tennessee can vote on it.
It's not authoritarianism when they when they impose their worldview, which is so obviously correct and right, like on all these states and you know, strike down their laws and take away self-government.
That's not authoritarianism.
The funny thing is, the funny thing is about these people is that they absolutely are dominionists, right?
There can be no deviation from their worldview, not only in this country, but they're fighting a war in Ukraine over the stuff that they believe in.
They think that it's worth fighting a war with Russia over Don Boss because their dominion extends even as far as even as far as there.
Now, an important key thing that the libs are right about, and which people on our side are hopelessly unable to grasp, is that for millions of Normis, especially evangelical Protestant Normies, the term, when they think of the term Christian, and they use the term Christian, they're thinking people like us, right?
People like in my church, my community, right?
And so when the left and the elites attack Christian, they sense that not just as a religious attack, but as a racial attack too.
That's one of the interesting findings of the study is how, you know, unlike in movement circles or far-right circles, for millions and millions and millions of Americans, the term white and Christian are so linked as to be synonymous because people see themselves as white and Christian.
It's the same identity.
Well, I've actually got your direct.
If you allow, Brad, I've got your direct paragraph here on that, and you posted some data.
Folks, you just got to go to occidentaldescent.com and read through all this.
But this is the data you write on white Christian nationalism.
The most interesting finding, this is just reiterating the point you just made, is that white and Christian are such interchangeable terms to such a large swath of the white population that attacks on Christians are conflated with attacks on whites and vice versa.
In my experience, this is lost on people in the white nationalist movement, at least some of them.
Many of these people don't associate white and Christians, but millions of normies do.
Christian is a cut word for white to these people.
Attacking Christianity is perceived as an attack on their community.
Exactly.
I mean, you go to the church.
I mean, like, churches are some of the most.
I mean, what's the saying that, you know, church is the most segregated, it's the most segregated day of the week, Sunday, when people go to church.
And like, I mean, the black church, you know, it's black, and the white church is overwhelmingly white.
I know there's a lot of evangelicals that tried to try to change that, but without much success.
So when people think of the word, I mean, Christian, they're thinking like people like us, people like us in church, the white people, right?
And so that's the thing I think that some people who detract, who, and listen, there's a lot of problems with the churches.
I'll be the first to admit that.
They have been a problem, at least the leadership.
But there is a big difference between the leadership of these denominations and people that you will, the people that you will find on the pew of any small congregation, particularly in the rural South.
These people are fundamentally with us.
They just need a little help.
Yeah, I mean, and that's one of the things that's been rolling evangelical Protestants for years is that, you know, you have this hostile leadership at the Southern Baptist Convention who were at odds with so much of their own base over Trump.
And, you know, Russell Moore, he was, you know, he actually got ousted.
He left and condemned everybody he used to be associated with.
And David French is the most well-known facetist in America.
The sort of elite evangelical who's more committed to liberalism than Christianity.
And who's able to rationalize pretty much anything because classical, his real true religion is classical liberalism.
I mean, that's what it is.
Whereas a lot of these other people, they're increasingly able to say, you know, we can see where classical liberalism has taken us.
It's empowered all these elites who, you know, hate us and want to actually want to groom our children into homosexuals and transsexuals, and this can't continue.
So we're going to jettison that ideology.
You know, Brad, it's absolutely a great thing.
And it's great to be getting assists from some of the people we've mentioned.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, obviously, Lauren Boebert, another one.
I'll borrow a phrase from Paul Kersey, who was on the show back in April, I believe.
We were then talking about Elon Musk, and he said, he's not our guy, but he's not our guy.
And I think that could apply to a lot of people, like Lauren Boebert.
She might not be our girl, but she's not our girl.
She writes, the church is supposed to direct the government, not the opposite way.
The church is supposed to influence government.
The Bible says that the government rests on God's shoulders.
Now, just that statement alone is going to cause her a lot of problems with the people we've been talking about who conflate one with the other.
And I think eventually they're going to see, hey, we're all in this together.
I think the Republican base has already seen that.
And I think that the church leadership has largely failed to bring its membership.
For instance, the Southern Baptist Convention, for all of its talk, and they opposed Trump mercilessly in the 2016 primaries, and what, it was like 80%, 90% voted for Trump.
So people do understand that they don't have to follow the leader here in the so-called leader in this situation.
You write, you salute the Christian nationalists, Brad.
This is a quote from OD.
Support their movement to retake their movement, our movement to retake the Seven Mountains.
We need Christians, for example, in charge of the Federal Reserve and the banks.
We need Christians to regulate Wall Street, promote what Father Coughlin called social justice.
We need Christian standards and entertainment and so forth.
This is far better than the ideology of conservative liberalism you were just talking about.
I mean, that's, I mean, think about it.
If Christians were in charge of the Federal Reserve and Wall Street, that's like going after their lifeblood, right?
That's an ex, I mean, for our enemies, that's like going after institutions like that and saying that, you know, we need to have strong people with Christian values in charge of the Federal Reserve.
And the banks and Wall Street, that's, you know, that's existential for them.
Well, you know, this is it.
This is it.
And I think this is how we end this conversation, or at least end it for now, is that, again, another quote you wrote, Christian nationalists want Christians to be in charge of the institutions.
And again, let's not quibble over, well, we'd rather have white nationalists in charge and not Christian nationalists.
They don't differentiate, and there's a lot of overlap, let me tell you.
If you didn't go to a good church or you haven't been in church or you looked at what's coming out of the mainline churches and you walked away, I get it.
But proposing to go after the lifeblood, you write, Brad, of these people in finance, media, entertainment, and government to replace them is nothing short of revolutionary.
And that, again, you said that's going to put Christians on a collision course with the people who are in power now.
And how does that play out?
I mean, we've already seen the ADL was out talking about it yesterday.
And the more they hear from this guy, the more people aren't inclined to listen to him and the 2% who control these institutions anymore.
So it's just something I want to egg on and encourage.
I don't see the downside to it.
I mean, what's going to happen is that the leader of the ADL is just going to have to live under Andrew Torbus' dominion.
I could live with that.
I tell you, if they get uncucked and if they get on board and if they can be channeled, there's a lot more Christians.
There's a lot more people in this country who think like us than who think like them.
That's just a fact, at least in our country.
If you take the Acela Corridor and the Left Coast out, you did some charts on that recently, Brad.
This is still our country.
We'll see where it goes and how quickly we can get there.
But things are changing.
And, Brad, thank you for documenting it as well as you do at OxfordDescent.com.