July 24, 2021 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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You're listening to the Liberty News Radio Network, and this is the political cesspool.
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, this is going to be the surprise and variety hour of tonight's program, ladies and gentlemen, the third and final hour of this broadcast of September.
We're out there.
It just seems like we are.
July the 24th.
Sam Bushman is with us live tonight from South Dakota.
So from South Carolina to South Dakota to Russia.
You never know where we're going to be on any given night.
But Sam Bushman is live from South Dakota tonight, and we're going to tell you in the very next segment why he's there, where he's at, and what he's doing.
But first, I want to cover with Sam Bushman, of course, our dear friend and the owner of the Liberty News Radio Network, host of his own broadcast, six days a week, libertyroundtable.com.
I'm going to ask him a couple of things.
I had the honor of making my once-a-month, third Wednesday of every month appearance with Sam Bushman just a couple of days ago.
And we were talking about COVID.
And Sam, since then, it seems as though there's been a rash of Republicans that have begun to jump on the vaccination bandwagon, including the lady who looks like she's the mascot for Grandma's Cookies down at Grandma's Chocolate Chip Cookies down in Alabama.
K-Ivey in Alabama, but also Ron DeSantis, who's been so strong on it.
And Sean Hannity and others, they're all pushing.
Now, we were talking about on your program on Wednesday.
Hey, listen, if the name of the game is My Body, My Choice, if I'm a woman and I have the choice to murder my baby as he or she grows in my womb, if that's a medical choice, shouldn't we have the choice of saying whether or not we want to take an experimental vaccine for which you have a lot of questions, but no recourse?
If something should go wrong, shouldn't we, if we can murder our babies, don't we have the choice whether or not to take the jab?
But now, increasingly, even so-called conservatives are saying, no, you better take it and you better take it now.
These Republicans in public office who we elected to be absolutely arrested and tossed in the clink for using their oaths of office improperly.
They've sworn an oath to protect us, defend us.
They've lied, and now they're perpetrating crimes against us.
It needs to stop, and it needs to stop now.
They just don't represent us, Sam.
This is Keith.
That's a key to it.
The Democrats that are elected represent their constituents.
The Republicans would do anything other than represent us.
Well, I was asking Keith before the show.
I said, why are they now all of the sudden K-Ive in Alabama where only 30% are vaccinated?
I said, it's a pretty easy thing to understand, by the way.
If the media tells you to do something, you know that it's going to be harmful for you.
You've instinctively known this, and so you're instinctively going to oppose anything the media is speaking in a single voice and saying you must do.
If the media wanted independent thinkers in Alabama to get the jab, they should say, listen, folks, whatever you do, don't go and get that vaccine.
That would make people who can actually think for themselves, unlike liberals, more inclined to get the vaccine.
But in any event, I was asking Keith, I said, why now all of a sudden are KIV and Ron DeSantis and Sean Hannity and all of these others saying, go get the vaccine now.
You're wrong if you don't.
He said, well, that's not the question, Dave.
The question is, how did they hold out as long as they did?
Because they always end up on the wrong side of things.
This time, they held out.
I'll tell you how, and I'll tell you why.
Here's how, in my view, and here's why.
This has been planned from the inception.
The Coco virus was a big scandal in the first place.
It's a lie.
It's a scam.
They had vaccinations planned all along.
These are not vaccinations.
These are experimental.
These are not vaccinations.
They are gene therapies.
They are not safe and effective.
They have not been approved by any government agency except for under emergency shenanigan principles or guidelines.
And the bottom line is, I simply believe that they played good cop, bad cop, and they've done this all along.
They've held out to make you think they weren't for it.
And they've now used this dishonest idea about the Delta variant as a catalyst to say, well, by golly, we held off, but we have no choice.
But the Delta variant might spread more than the rest, but it's less harmful than even the original strains.
And none of them are justifiable, and they know it.
But if they hurry and if they push, then before we find out the negative side effects, the damage will have been done.
This is by design, gentlemen.
All right, let's push pause on that conversation right there because we have so much to cover.
You're at an event.
You're out of town.
You're in South Dakota.
So much to cover in very little time.
Let me ask you this very quickly.
This was something that came up earlier this week as well.
Of course, as you know, ladies and gentlemen, in addition to his hand as talk radio host extraordinaire and a talk radio network owner, Sam has is a leading figure in the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, the CSPOA.
And I saw an article earlier this week in the USA Today, and it's Florida subsidiary, the Florida Today, owned by USA Today.
And the headline reads, Constitutional sheriffs say they're patriots.
Others see something more menacing.
Researchers see the rise of constitutional sheriffs as a threat to democracy.
And then it went on and talked, obviously, about CSPOA and sheriffs who belong to the CSPOA.
A threat to democracy, Sam, a lawman who would adhere to the Constitution as opposed to something more nefarious.
How wrong did this article get it?
And what would you, as a member of this organization and as a leader of this organization, say in response?
Let's first call a spade a spade, James.
Number one, we are a threat to democracy.
We don't have a democracy in America.
We never have had a democracy in America.
The founding fathers warned against a democracy in America.
And when asked what kind of government we have, they said a constitutional republic if you can keep it.
Democracies, ladies and gentlemen, go demon crazy, and they evolve into anarchy and eventually evolve into tyranny.
So yes, any good, honest constitutionalist is an absolute threat to democracy.
That's the only part of the article they got correct.
Well, it's ominous that the person they have featured in a little video underneath this is none other than Christopher Wright, Trump's ill-begotten appointee to head of the FBI.
Well, that's the same thing.
He's apparently on the other side against the Constitutional Sheriffs.
The article is a complete sham.
It's completely dishonest.
We're considering suing them over this article.
None of it is correct.
They claim that the sheriffs, who are constitutional, think they're above the law.
That is false.
We merely believe that there are checks and balances in America, vertical and horizontal.
And Richard Mack's Supreme Court case, Prince Mac versus U.S. or Bill Clinton.
In that case, Anthony and Scalia wrote very clearly that there are dual sovereigns between the general government and the states and that the general government had no authority whatsoever to demand or order any state or local official to do anything.
And so based on that reality check that Anthony Scalia wrote so eloquently about, We know that they're lying.
The truth is, this article was timed to be released right before we had five sheriffs take the stage yesterday and tell the tale, which we'll tell in a second.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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Sam Bushman.
Sam Dixon was last week's show.
Sam Bushman is in South Dakota.
We're going to tell you where he's at and why next.
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Anybody ever had less money this year than you had last?
Anybody better have a 1% pay cut?
You deal with it.
That's what government needs, a 1% pay cut.
If you take a 1% pay cut across the board, you have more than enough money to actually pay for the disaster relief.
But nobody's going to do that because they're fiscally irresponsible.
Who are they?
Republicans.
Who are they?
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Who are they?
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The day of reckoning may well be the collapse of the stock market.
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And now back to tonight's show.
So Sam Bushman has taken time out of his busy schedule tonight.
He is in South Dakota at an event we're just about to tell you about.
But before we do, I want to recap what we talked with Sam about in the last segment.
Of course, COVID, this new push by even so-called conservative governors to now everybody, the unvaccinated are the ones bringing us down.
Well, that wasn't their stance up until about last week, and then they all began to start singing from the same sheet of music, very interestingly so.
And also, this USA Today article about constitutional sheriffs calling them a menace, calling them a threat to democracy.
And it all happened just hours in advance of this particular event where Sam and some of these aforementioned constitutional sheriffs, namely Richard Mack, are participating at and are appearing at rather and participating in.
So Sam, without further ado, where are you?
What is the event?
How big is it?
What are we missing?
Who's there?
Oh, man.
I'm at an event called Freedom Fest.
It is in Rapid City, South Dakota, right outside Mount Rushmore.
It has an attendance of about 3,000 people.
It has been going on all day, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
It ends tonight.
There have been hundreds of speakers, dozens of breakout sessions, and we have had the most incredible time of our lives.
Sheriff Richard Mack spoke for an hour, breaking down his Supreme Court case win over Bill Clinton at the Supreme Court.
Richard Mack explained that he was the only person to beat Bill Clinton to live to tell about it.
He broke the greatest 10th Amendment decision the United States has ever known in that case.
It's the greatest 10th Amendment decision ever rendered in American history.
We talked about that in detail with the good sheriff Richard Mack.
And after that event, it was an hour-long presentation to a packed room.
After that event, we had five sheriffs.
One of them is named Brad Rogers, who was the moderator.
And he's not a sheriff now.
He's a former sheriff.
He served two terms, but there's term limits in his county.
So he was not able to run for the third time.
So he groomed and prepared a second constitutional sheriff who won and filled his place.
He then ran for county commission.
So he's a former two-time sheriff and a current county commissioner.
He was the moderator of the group.
He had four sitting current sheriffs on the panel, two from Texas, one from Washington State, and one from Michigan.
Their names are Darleaf, Bob Songer, Sheriff Randy Hargrove, and Sheriff Scott Williams.
And these five sheriffs literally broke down how they will not tolerate any federal government abuses in their county, period.
On the public stage, recorded for the world to see, they threatened to arrest public officials that do not obey the law.
They will not stand for masks in their counties.
They will not stand for shutting down businesses in their counties.
They will not stand for forced vaccinations.
And if the bureaucrats from any level of government come in their county without proper due process documentation signed by a judge, they will be arrested.
They will be dealt with criminally.
These sheriffs are serious, and they're not playing any more games.
These are just five of the sheriffs of the many that are Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association members.
They boldly made their declarations, and they cited examples of when they've ran the government officials out of their county.
So Brad Rogers tells of a Amish farmer who was being harassed by the FDA over milk.
He was selling raw milk.
What a crime.
Well, anyway, the feds said we're going to go ahead and take your farm and cause you all these problems.
So the Amish farmer went to Sheriff Brad Rogers.
Brad Rogers said, not on my watch.
And he wrote a letter to the FDA and said, you're not doing this.
You're not welcome in my county.
They wrote back and said, we're going to arrest you, Sheriff.
And he said, come on and try.
Long story short, the farmer got a letter dismissing his case completely.
And this has been over 10 years since, and the feds have never been back.
Sheriff Mack won at the Supreme Court.
Brad Rogers beat him in his county.
And now Sheriff Darleaf, Sheriff Bob Songers, and others are literally standing up saying, we will not abide by the Coco lie.
We will not steal people's rights.
We will defend the Constitution.
The DAs are mad at them.
Their county commissioners are mad at them.
And the sheriffs say, I don't care.
This is getting serious.
They are serious.
And it's now gone public.
And this takeout piece in Florida, USA, or whatever it is, USA Today, Florida, Florida Today, I guess it's called, they timed that article on purpose just as we got on stage.
Did you know that?
No, I didn't.
But what about the uncanny timing of that?
What would you say about that?
I would say that they're spying on our emails.
They're spying on what we're working on, knowing where we're going to be, when we're going to be there.
And I say they timed the article perfectly.
Well, you actually had the chance to cover it with Sheriff Mack in almost real time.
I mean, literally the same morning it was published by the USA Today, yes, sir.
Well, I wasn't going to mention that, but it just so happened, dude, to come across my desk.
But in any event, you had the opportunity to have the Sheriff Mac himself, who was such a featured focal point in that particular piece, respond.
And I thought it was a very good idea.
I literally had to.
We were writing booths at this event.
I literally had to get somebody to fill in at Sheriff Mac's booth to get him over there on the radio to make it a real-time coverage.
And I listened to it as it was furling out.
And again, this article had only been published, according to Google, moments before, literally just minutes before you were reading it for the first time as you were on the air.
And Mac was responding to your recitations.
And that was just an incredible thing.
But also, I just want to say, Keith wants to chime in, and we want to give him the time.
But this was an event so big that even, for better or for worse, I mean, there's good and there's bad about any Republican politician, but Christy Noam was there.
I mean, the governor of South Dakota was there and spoke at this event.
So this isn't just the usual suspects.
Christy Noam was there.
Former Congressman Bob Barr was there.
In fact, I was sitting on stage with Bob Barr minutes ago.
Bob Barr was the weakest group in our panel.
Yeah, Bob Barr was supposed to be, you know, the strong people.
Yeah, right.
Well, let me ask you this, Sam.
The whole constitutional sheriff movement is based on the premise that sheriffs are the chief executive officer of every county, regardless of whether you have a county like Shelby County, Tennessee, where they purport to have a county mayor or someone like this.
Is any of the four sheriffs that you're talking about, are they getting any type of pushback from some nominal county executive that's saying that they're overstepping their bounds?
Are any lawsuits pending like that?
Seconds remaining final word to you.
One of them said we should arrest the sheriff.
And so they tried to get the city police chief to arrest the sheriff.
And the city police chief said, are you off your rocker?
He'll arrest me if we're not careful.
Well, and this is the thing that the CSPOA is all about.
Lawmen taking their oath of office seriously.
I mean, is that such a bad thing?
I mean, apparently so, because I read this.
Hold on.
This must be so scary.
If you're a criminal and you intend to break the law, then it's a bad thing.
Yes, sir.
There you go, Sam.
There you go.
There you go.
For law-abiding, tax-paying, God-fearing all-American citizens like us, it's a good thing for the establishment elite, for the sociopaths, for the criminally corrupt.
Might not be such a good thing, and that's what they fear.
Am I wrong, Sam?
Seconds remaining before you go back into the night in South Dakota.
I think that's absolutely spot-on, and that's where the showdown begins.
We're not looking for a fight.
We're looking to uphold the law.
But if they want to bring it, let's do it county by county.
Americans will back their sheriffs.
I spoke.
I was on breakout panels.
So were the sheriffs.
So was Richard Mack.
It's been an incredible time in South Dakota, baby.
Sorry, we missed it.
Glad you got to go to Route Musmo.
Routman.
Mudmore.
Hey, Sam's been a man about 10.
Sam is the man.
I'm not a man.
Sam, thank you.
Thanks for coming on tonight, Sam.
Thanks for spending a little bit.
Listen, it's Saturday night in South Dakota.
It's Saturday night at this event.
Sam gave us a couple of segments.
We're so thankful.
Talk to you when you get back home next week, my friends.
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54-year-old Estelle Hediah remains the lone unaccounted victim from the tragedy that happened one month ago Saturday.
Her brother Ike says the waiting game is a little tough.
This is long.
It's been a month now.
And that's a little too much for my parents a month, you know.
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If she told me it was going to be two weeks, I would have totally crazy.
While the wait can be agonizing, Ike tells CBS Foreign News in Miami he takes comfort knowing his sister is in heaven.
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What were you doing in October of 1962?
I was in the fourth grade trying to learn my multiplication tables.
Or fifth grade.
Probably listening to that song, which was undoubtedly the best of the Neil Sadaka canon.
Yeah, Neil Sadaka had a real run there from the late 50s through the early 60s.
And did as he said, as he said, and this is appropriate as we begin to ingratiate our next guest, our last of the evening, he said, the Beatles, not good.
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The Beatles knocked out more than Neil Sadaka.
But they didn't knock out the four seasons, did they?
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Well, with that being said, I mean, I guess we should say no more.
I mean, certainly with that introduction, we must be beginning to welcome Courtney from Alabama, who is back with us this evening.
We like to feature Courtney about once a quarter on average.
I mean, she is the mascot after all.
I was actually with Courtney.
Well, when was it?
It had to be in June.
You were blowing through Mobile.
Yeah, we were everywhere.
We were everywhere on that trip, and she took us everywhere.
I mean, we were half the places we went with Courtney.
My wife and my kids and I and she and her kids and her husband was there as well.
And it was a great couple of days, that's for sure, down in Alabama where she is now.
Courtney, how are you?
I'm great.
How are you doing?
Well, never better.
Never better.
It's been a great night tonight, as it always is on TPC.
Mark Weber, Sam Bushman, good content.
Gene Andrews, I mean, who could forget Gene in the first hour?
We're talking about the reinterment of General Forrest and Mark Weber.
Well, we just mentioned that, but it's been a busy night, and we wrap it all up tonight with Courtney.
Now, people may be wondering, where's Jack?
I mean, this is Jack's time.
Well, Jack is still recovering from South Carolina.
You heard Jack on the show a couple of weeks ago.
It was a busy night.
It was a hard night.
That's for sure.
It was a hard day.
It was hot.
It is really hot in the South right now.
Well, Jack will be back with us next week, but we wanted to make room for Courtney, who we've bounced a couple of times.
I mean, it's been like a pinball thing.
It's been a busy summer.
But anyway, she's back with us tonight.
Jack will be back maintaining his regular closing segments next week.
But, Courtney, you got a topic for us.
You've been working on it for a while.
We turn the floor over to you, my friend.
Yeah.
Thanks again for having me on.
Well, you know, I guess a couple things have happened since I've last been on, including you all coming to visit, which was wonderful.
You know, the other, you know, we also had the, and I'm just going to get to this real quickly and be done with it, but we had the sentence thing of Chauvin, the Chauvin trial, and then, of course, the 4th of July.
And I'm kind of interconnecting those two because there was a time when, you know, I used to always just go into the 4th of July, like even up until recently.
And when I would, you know, of course, you know, this was just up until a couple years ago.
I would still enjoy it, but I would always think of, you know, our PR ancestors when I would celebrate the fourth.
I would think of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the pioneers, you know, stuff like that to be proud of.
But then, you know, this fourth, it's like I'm thinking of all these people getting wrongly imprisoned and then stolen elections.
And so I just saw it as an excuse for fireworks, as James usually says.
I just didn't even get patriotic at all.
And just a real quick word about the sentence thing of Chauvin.
You know, I was real happy to see his mother get up and stand up for him.
That was what she should have done.
That's what a true mother, you know, any mother would be doing that.
I mean, in this day and age, of course, it's hard, see, with all the threats of BLM.
And so I'm sure it was much harder than it seemed, even though it's what she should do.
I'm sure it was pretty hard for her to do.
So I applaud her for getting up and standing up for her son, you know, when hardly anybody else is showing their face on TV to do it.
And I thought that was the right thing to do.
I was very touched by that.
Anyways, all that aside, back to our topic.
I'm just very fascinated with this topic of the reverse great migration going on, where, you know, there's a, you know, the great migration with all the blacks moving up to the northern cities.
And now it seems like they're all coming back down south.
And, you know, I have my own thoughts on that.
I know a lot of people might think it's a bad thing because it might mess up the southern states politically and make them bluer.
I find the phenomenon interesting for a couple reasons.
And looking at the bigger picture, when I was last on for Confederate History Month, Janice came on the week after me and she brought up some good points when she was talking about Gone with the Wind and the good relationship that the masters had with their servants.
And, you know, I think it's telling with the reverse migration that, you know, they're coming back down.
A lot of them say, you know, they call the South home and they're returning back down here.
They feel like this is more their home.
And I think that's kind of telling in a lot of ways.
You know, the South, you know, we always hear about how racist the South is.
But my take on that is We had a cordial relationship when they were down here, but we kept them at arm's length.
Like, it doesn't mean we didn't want them marrying our kids or going to school with us, but we were polite to them in the store.
You know, we were polite to them when they were doing things for us in our homes.
And we had things under control, and that's the main point.
You know, we had things under control.
We were doing, and, and I don't see how, you know, going up to these northern cities and their experiences up there, I don't see how their experiences up there have been any better.
It seems like it's been far worse, actually.
And I don't want anybody to misunderstand what I'm saying.
I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying we shouldn't recognize the issues with them.
I'm not saying I, you know, want a bunch of them around me.
I'm not saying I want my daughter marrying one.
But what I'm saying is, you know, we had things under control.
We had a relationship with them that works down here where we were kind to them when we would see them.
We were kind of them when they were working in our homes.
But then after that, we went to church separately.
We went our separate ways, you know, to school, you know, and when our kids got married, of course.
In fact, one of my great-grandmothers had a servant in her home.
And I remember as a child, me and my cousins going to meet her for the first time.
Our parents took us to meet her.
Our parents and grandparents took us to meet her.
And, you know, she was just this really old black lady and she loved on us like, you know, like we were her own.
And again, I don't want people to misunderstand what I'm saying.
I'm just saying it was, there was a cordial relationship there.
And we had things under control down here more than we're given credit for.
And there's a.
Yeah.
Excuse me, Courtney.
This is Keith.
Let me just say this.
I've always maintained that, that basically, you know, I have very cordial relations with black people.
I have relations with Southern, you know, interpersonal relations with Southern blacks almost every day of my life.
We in the South, blacks in the South and whites in the South, always were able to get along well until some third-party provocateur showed up, like the abolitionist Yankees of the first Reconstruction, the Jewish freedom rider types of the second Reconstruction or the so-called civil rights movement.
Basically, if they, we are like Greta Garbo.
We just want to be left alone.
And I think black people maybe in some way are instinctively realizing that it's a lot better their relationship with southern whites than it is with northern whites.
Exactly.
In fact, you know, and this is another interesting little tidbit.
When James and his family were down here, we actually pulled up to an old-timey gas station to get gas.
And inside it was this old black southern gentleman.
He had a Bible out on the counter, just as nice as he could be.
I remember this.
I remember this exchange quite vividly.
Yeah.
And, you know, why should we not be kind to somebody like that when we're passing them on the street?
You know, these old, there's old, older black men who open doors for me and I say thank you.
It doesn't mean I'm going to go on a date with them.
You know, it just means we're cordial to each other, you know?
I want to go back to this actual moment in time.
So this was a thing, and you felt like you were in another time because this was a gas station, probably the only gas station left in America, Alabama or otherwise, where you pull down the lever yourself and you pump together and you go in to pay.
Couldn't even take a credit card.
And I went in with two, as Courtney mentioned, an elderly black gentleman reading the Bible.
I said, guys, you read any good Bible stories today?
He said, it's always a good Bible story in here.
And we just cut the fat for a couple of minutes, you know, maybe.
It was just a great exchange.
And that was the thing, Keith.
And I've said this before and I've caught flat for this, but race relations were better in the antebellum period than they were now.
And in any person who doesn't believe it, is telling themselves a lie.
One more segment with Courtney.
Come on.
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Smoking, if you think you're old enough to start, you're smart enough to stop.
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You say yes, I say yes, I say no.
She's too young, young, young Hello.
I don't know why you say goodbye.
I say hello.
I don't know why you say goodbye.
I say hello.
Hello, hello.
I don't know why you say goodbye.
Keith, when are you going to wear one of these outfits?
You know, this is the detriment of being radio, not television.
You can't see what we're seeing here in the studio.
What are they wearing right there?
Pink and baby blue satin uniforms of some type.
And George George has a three-coat cornered hat on with a plume in it.
I tell you what.
They basically wanted to see how weird they could get before the public would reject them.
And apparently, the answer was pretty darn weird.
Well, that was the thing about the Beatles.
I love that song.
Hello, Goodbye.
I love that song.
That was one of their late, great hits.
But I liked them more when they were pop, which was Paul's way.
Well, you know what John Lennon said one time?
He said, well, I could put my grocery list to music and I'd sell a million copies.
Well, they were right about that.
Well, they started giving away.
They had so many hits that were giving them away like Bad to Me to Billy J. Kramer in the Dakotas.
That was just like a throwaway.
And then let's not forget Peter and Gordon.
Oh, yeah, they got some too.
I mean, they spread their large S all over the British invasion by then.
But in any event, well, that was one of their later, greater hits.
I do like that song.
But when they were purely pop in the early 60s, well, this is a conversation that Courtney and I revisit for so often over the years.
Courtney and I feel are on the same side on this.
I basically like the early Beatles.
How about you, Courtney?
I agree.
I mean, and like James just said, they had some good stuff later on.
But, you know, I'm not really into those crazy outfits either.
I'm into the more conservative early 60s look like for all fans back then.
I just loved that.
Oh, man, the male bands back then when they would wear those suits.
They just look so good.
It's just so different from nowadays.
What's that?
Yeah.
Keith, then, in June, just before my 41st birthday, when we were on Courtney's patio, she in a very impromptu way had this battle of the bands.
You know, this wasn't anything that we had talked about doing, but she did it herself.
And she would play a Beatles hit and a four seasons hit, and she did it two or three times.
And then she says she ran out of four seasons songs, which obviously she can't run out of those.
Let me tell you that.
I'm thinking about, but we'll accept Brad.
You know, I lived to an extent.
I lived when the Beatles broke.
I was in the seventh grade, and I remember all the boys being totally upset about the way their girlfriends were reacting to the Beatles.
But I can tell you this.
They were considered gender benders back then by having long hair.
It wasn't.
Look, I'm not.
No, no, no, no.
But it tells you what it used to be.
I'm looking at the Please Please Me album, and Courtney and I talked about this.
Courtney, we will get back to important things in a moment, but I'm looking at the Please Please Me album.
That's not long hair.
I mean, that's not long hair.
Well, that was long for back then.
How long?
Remember that?
Like that, and they'd shake their hair.
Remember that?
Now, this is a hit that you don't really get a lot of play, and then we'll send it back to Courtney.
But I love this song.
That is not long hair by any standard.
But hang on one second.
Measure these few words till we're together.
Keep all my love forever.
Es, I love you.
You, you, you.
All right, Courtney, we're going to go back to important topics, but favorite Beatles song.
You can only pick one.
Go.
Oh, no.
That's too hard.
You can't do that.
I got one.
I want to hold your hand.
That's my favorite one.
I like.
You can ask me four seasons.
Four seasons all day long.
Dawn go away.
Not my favorite four seasons song, but my favorite song, period.
1964.
And it was held off the number one for the number one on Billboard by not one, not two, but three Beatles songs.
Otherwise, it would have been a number one Dawn go away.
You got to say something, though, Courtney, and then we got to get back.
Well, we don't necessarily have to get back to important topics, but we could.
But you got to pick a song.
I would go with, I think the middle 60s was my favorite time for them as far as their songs go.
I would have to say, Hide Your Love Away.
It was a song that John sings, and it sounds like a ballad.
I think that's a beautiful song.
It's less well known.
I played it for James and Danny when they were sitting by our pool.
But if anybody in the audience gets, you know, kind of rolls their eyes every time, you know, every time the topic of Courtney the Beatles comes up, like, why does she like them?
Blame my father because he played them all the time.
But anyways, another interesting phenomenon about the reverse migration is, you know, I guess I like to look at the big picture.
I mean, I guess it could be bad for politics because, you know, it can mess up the red states in the South politically.
You know, a lot of people talk about that.
But, you know, I look at other, I look at it in other ways.
You know, first of all, I just don't, you know, what has come about with, you know, this massive, you know, third world immigration, you know, to our countries and everything, like in the Western world.
You know, like, you know, it's like you're taking people from places like India and Africa.
And, you know, they go to they go to these northern cities, you know, whether it's London or a Canadian city or New York City or, you know, it's like these places where they just don't belong.
It's like, why are they there?
And it just really bothers me.
And a lot of these northern cities, like in Canada and the northern United States and, you know, places in cities in Western Europe, it's like they're getting so diverse.
It's so disgusting.
It's like, so it's like an it's like an eyesore in a way.
It's just disgusting to me.
And so, you know, so out of place.
And my point is that, you know, instead of them being scattered all over like that, i'd rather um, you know we're talking only about the United States.
You know like, I was talking to somebody once and I told them about the reverse migration going on and and they said oh, you know, I think the south needs to be saved.
I'd rather they stay up in Chicago or New York and, you know, save the south.
And i'm like, and I don't really agree with that because um, you know, the south has the right climate for them.
That's why, you know, that's why they were brought to the south in the first place.
And my point there is that they already have such a large presence in the south that, you know, since most of them are already down here, at this point at least, with the reverse migration going on, you know, if we were to ever separate the country, were to ever break apart along racial lines, it would make more sense for them to, you know more, most of them to move back down here, where they already have a presence and people like us, you know, to go to these, these beautiful states out west,
like you know Montana, Idaho.
You know, I love being a Southerner, but i'm not so attached that.
You know, when it comes to that point in time, when we have to break away, that you know I wouldn't consider doing it uh, my husband and I Courtney no no no no, you're on to something here.
Keith and I were talking about this earlier tonight, I think maybe even in advance of the show, because I knew what you wanted to talk about.
So here's the thing.
I mean.
Obviously, being a southerner means something to us, but we were northern Europeans long before we were southerners and for much longer than we've been southerners.
So that climate, particularly that climate, relates to us.
And yes, ship me to Iceland if you must.
I would love to be in a land where it's perpetually 20 degrees and and uh, an eternal winter.
But as Keith, as you mentioned it earlier tonight, whites in that, in those particular locales, aren't based, they don't get it, and and so if you go to those locations and those climates, people who have never lived in a multicultural reality uh, you're going to be uh, amongst a sea of foreigners in a very different manner of speaking.
Keith well, I was born in Minnesota.
My father told me that the county you're a southerner.
Well, my father went up there for a job.
But you were a Southerner before then and came from a southern family, and he told me that the time when I was born there, he said in the Meeker county Minnesota, where I was born, in the 1950 census there was one, not two, but one black person in the entire county.
That didn't stop every native Minnesotan from being an inherent, instinctive expert on race relations who used to scold him about how whites in the south treated blacks, and he would just roll his eyes and say that, you know, this is like people that live in the desert presuming to tell somebody that lives in the jungle about jungle survival techniques.
These people have no idea, first of all, how cordial our relations are with black people in the south, and they would have continued to have been cordial.
But for a word, a phrase that was used back in the civil rights movement, that the left and the national news media just used to mockingly say all the time, as if uh, saying it meant that you were a cretin or some type or a moron.
That phrase was outside agitators.
We had outside agitators that caused all the problems.
Well, that's Courtney's question, I think, in sharing the story that she and I shared as we walked into this gas station in rural Alabama.
Do we have more in common with honest black southerners than we do these woke white northerners?
It's a tough question.
I mean, the climate thing, I mean, it could be a cold climate.
How big Annifra is in both Minnesota and Oregon.
It can be a cold climate over.
Well, anyway, well, to be continued is all I can say.
Courtney, listen, we always look forward to your participation on this program for so many years.
You've been with us and hopefully for so many years to come.
But that's all the time we have for tonight for Sam Bushman and Mark Weber, Keith Alexander.
Courtney from Alabama, I'm James Edwards.
We'll be back next week.
What next week brings, only God knows, but we'll be here to share it with you, ladies and gentlemen.