July 18, 2020 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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The Political Cesspool, known across the South and worldwide as the South's foremost populist conservative radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, as we continue on with our Midsummer Review Series, actually wrap up the two-part series tonight.
It's great to welcome to the program a guest making his debut.
What we hope will be the first of many appearances is Dr. Ed DeVries.
Dr. DeVries holds a Ph.D. in history and a THD in theology.
He is the author of over 30 print books and dozen more e-books, contributing editor at the Barnes Review, a contributor at the American Free Press and other publications, the editor of the weekly Dixie Heritage newsletter, host of three weekly radio shows, a pastor, traveling speaker, college president, former RNC phone bank manager, and a campaign manager for a few political candidates you may have never heard of.
Now, that's his bio that he sent to me.
A real renaissance, man.
Ed.
It's great to have you.
How are you tonight?
Oh, I'm doing great, James, and it's great to be on the show.
Hello?
Well, it's great to have you.
Yes, great to have you.
And I was going to, when we were talking yesterday, you made mention of something that I think would just be absolutely fascinating, and that was the fact that you've read John Bolton's book and you wanted to apply your reading to kind of break down why Trump perhaps has done what he's done and what nuggets you were able to get from that for the audience.
Take it away, Ed.
Well, I have to say that I'm not necessarily a fan of Ambassador Bolton.
And you know what?
Yeah, yeah.
As I've watched a lot of what's been going on in the Trump administration, I've wondered if some key things were sabotaged by the ambassador in his role as national security advisor.
And some of that was confirmed as I was reading the book.
But the thing that's the greater takeaway for me is that essentially Trump lives in the White House, but he's not yet become the president.
Why, Ed.
Ed, this is Keith.
Let me ask you this.
Why does he continue to appoint people that were never Trumpers?
Is he insane or does he have memory loss?
What's going on?
Well, I am going to guess that he is appointing the people who either, A, he's being told by somebody to appoint, or B, that he thinks that, you know, these are the only people that he can get through the confirmation processes.
Or in some cases, I think at the beginning of his administration, you know, he was thinking more as a businessman, and he was thinking that he would hire people or basically renew the contracts of people who were already in positions of government and, you know, that he would just be able to figure out a way to work with them and to get them to come into his program.
But obviously, that has not proven to be the case.
He underestimated the virulence of his opposition.
Would that be a fair statement?
Very much so.
And now, if you look back in history, Abraham Lincoln surrounded himself, his entire cabinet were people who opposed him.
He stacked his cabinet with his political enemies, but yet he was somehow or another able to bring them into his sphere and into his program.
Donald Trump, on the other hand, might have implemented the same strategy, but he's definitely not received the same result.
Yep, there's a wild card that was involved in Trump's presidency that wasn't in Lincoln's presidency, but we all know what that is.
Well, in any event, Ed, as we're talking to you as part of this Midsummer Review series, what would be your assessment of where America stands right now as we enter into the dark days of summer?
And is there any hope for the second term of Trump if he gets elected?
And can he be elected?
I mean, that's a big question.
Yeah.
Well, if you saw my editorial in the Barnes Review this week, I wrote an article and it was the election is opera, basically.
And if you are judging by the polls, of course, Trump's character in this opera is already dead.
But on the other hand, the opera's not over until the fat lady sings.
The fat lady is not going to sing until November.
And in an election year, a day seemed like months, months seem like years.
So November is an eternity away.
That's for sure.
There's a lot that can happen between now and then.
I will say this.
At some point, Biden's character has to come out from behind his mask and actually sing.
And I'm hoping that when that happens, the American people will see who the true villain in this opera really is.
What do you think the October surprise is going to be in this election?
This whole year's been a surprise, but the riots and the coronavirus, the whole so-called corona mania, Biden not campaigning at all.
You haven't seen him outside of his basement since February, March, Super Tuesday.
He's like the groundhog that comes up, sees his shadow, and pops back down.
We've never had an election like this, that's for sure.
So it's going to be impossible to predict.
I mean, of course, the fact that Trump didn't build the wall and didn't do anything to stop the unmitigated demographic replacement of his supporters is going to hurt him.
And if he loses Florida, it's going to be an early night.
I've said that the whole way.
Well, if you want to talk about the wall, and Bolton talks a lot about the wall in his book, essentially, here's what's happening.
Trump is issuing the orders to build a wall, but nobody will obey them.
Okay, all right.
Now, listen, is that the truth?
I mean, is that the truth?
Is he actually really trying, or was it all just a ruse?
I would believe he's really trying.
And the problem is, is he has an entire administration and an entire military that will not follow him.
Let's see.
Well, go ahead.
Go ahead, and I'll finish my thought in a second.
Go ahead.
I'll give you a this week illustration of this, okay?
And that is that Secretary of Defense Esperman is right now working on a policy that will be instituted throughout the United States military, throughout the Department of Defense, that if they can get it in Essentially, what it will do is it will ban the Confederate battle flag and all things related to the Confederacy from throughout the Department of Defense and all the branches of the military,
but it will not name the flag or the Confederacy or the names of any Confederate leaders by name.
And the reason why is because Trump put out the order this week that the battle flag can be displayed, that the base names are not going to change, direct verbal order from the Commander-in-Chief, but everybody in the General Command.
In other words, every general in the Army, Navy, and Marine Corps has gotten together and said we are not going to obey that verbal order, but they don't want to just directly disobey it because that's a court-martial offense if Trump has the testicular fortitude to court-martial all of them.
So, what they're doing is they're trying to work up some kind of an general order that can accomplish the same thing without specifically stating it in words like Confederacy or Fort Bragg, for example, so that they can basically disobey the Commander-in-Chief, tell him to go, you know, what to himself, but at the same time, quote-unquote, legally not have disobeyed his order.
And that's what's happened with the wall.
That's what's happened with any of a number of things in the last three years.
This is fascinating.
This actually, you just opened up a thread of a conversational thread that I'd like to dig into with you when we return.
James Edwards, Keith Alexander, our guest, Dr. Ed DeVries of the Barnes Review.
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We'll be back with him right after this.
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Well, welcome back, everybody.
Dr. Ed DeVries is the first of two guests that will be appearing tonight.
Dr. Virginia Abernathy will be with us for the final half hour.
And we're just having these informal conversations with esteemed guests talking about where America stands here in the midsummer.
Ed, you were talking about how Trump has not yet assumed the presidency or he's not yet become the president.
I think you're right.
I look at it a little bit differently, though.
I say Trump is only the president.
He found out, if there was any confusion beforehand, he found out that the president does not have a whole lot of power if he is trying to buck against the system.
And, you know, that whole time that he was going to, you were talking about court-martialing these people, the time to play strongman was when he first got elected.
And that's when he should have really just cleaned house with the vengeance.
He didn't do it.
Keith.
Ed, it appears that any random, low-level U.S. district court judge has more governmental governing power than the president.
All they have to do is get Judge Aloha in Hawaii or somebody like that to issue an injunction, and he's stymied for doing something like building the wall.
Is this unprecedented or is this just emblematic of the power that his enemies hold in the federal government?
Well, in the case of Donald Trump, I don't know if it is because in his past as a businessman, he was constantly dealing in the courts, and the courts generally ruled favorable to him as a businessman, and however many lawsuits he had to work his way through to accomplish the things he wanted to accomplish in business.
And so maybe he just has an undue respect for the courts, or maybe he was just blindsided by the fact that it was possible to go to court and not get the outcome that he wanted.
But every president in the past has faced the same situation that Donald Trump has, which is judges that are just reaching way too far.
There's a term for it.
It's called judicial activism.
And every other president before him have told these federal judges to go pound sand.
And Donald Trump just hasn't done that yet.
He's, you know, for example, Abraham Lincoln told the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court that he knew what he was doing was unconstitutional, but, you know, he had an army.
And when the Supreme Court had an army to enforce its rulings, he would consider obeying them.
But in the meantime, he was going to continue doing what he was doing.
I mean, even a little bit of a money.
Andrew Jackson did the same thing.
Andrew Jackson.
He said, Mr. Marshall has made his decision on the Indian Removal Act.
Now let him enforce it.
Why doesn't Trump, who comes across like the strongman of all strongman presidents, have the intestinal fortitude to do that?
Well, I've been asking the same question for three years.
Nearly four.
Yeah.
But that's basically the problem is that for whatever reason, and maybe he is trying to do something about it, but again, he is surrounded by subordinates, be it all of the secretaries on his cabinet, be it the leaders in the Republican Party, you name it, you know, be it the generals and his military, that he gives them orders and they just flatly refuse to obey them.
Well, he needs Pat Buchanan rather than Jared Kushner in there as his primary advisor because Buchanan has served under Nixon, Ford, and Reagan, and I think he knows what could be done.
Yeah, I don't think you have to have Congress approve of chief of staff, but the also, of course, with regards to cleaning house, court-martialing these rogue insubordinates and all of that, that should have been done.
He should have completely, we talked about this even before he was elected, should have completely routed out the White House press corps and brought in people like us, people like you, people like Sam Bushman.
Those should be the ones who are going to be able to do it.
And one other thing he should have done is gotten his buddies together, bought one of these news networks and had a Trump news network because his viewpoint isn't expressed by any of the alphabet suitors.
Fox News is going more leftist now.
Not that they were ever on our side.
I mean, they were always horrible on race and those realities, but they've gotten worse.
The entire Republican apparatus is against him now.
So again, Ed, it's an eternity to November, but sure enough, it's only three months away.
So what are we likely to see?
It's hard to predict, but I'd like to ask.
I'll say you don't want my opinion.
The truth is, is that we're not going to have an election in November.
We are going to have a mail on the internet thing.
We're going to have some kind of an organized fraud.
It's not going to be an election.
That's what we talked about, the October surprise.
I had heard that they were going to have a shutdown in October so that because of COVID and people that are used to going to the polls to vote will find that they can't do it.
But Brother Love will be able to send in all of his ballots for his church, right?
That's right.
You know, that's an interesting prediction, Ed.
It hadn't really been talked about too much.
I mean, there has been some murmurings, of course, about the whole mail-in thing.
I mean, man, think about the fraud.
Well, we have it here in Memphis.
They say, if you don't believe in life after death, come to Memphis on Election Day.
Well, it just turned out, too.
I mean, not that Trump Supreme Court has been particularly lion-hearted, but Bader Ginsburg just announced that she has cancer again.
So that very likely within the next four years, you're going to be replacing that seat.
But then again, again, Ed, you had a situation with Jeff Sessions, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions.
He would have been a perfect fit to go in there and kind of help Trump implement the plan.
And then Trump gets Tommy Tuberville, supports him, lets him get that Senate seat.
And this guy is just another Chamber of Commerce Republican.
There you go.
So for as much as Trump says that I like, he doesn't, I mean, he could have certainly endorsed this.
Like Elvis' song, Too Much Conversation, Not Enough Action.
But you talked about his Twitter, Ed, about how he has to use the Twitter to sort of put pressure on his own administration to do what he wants him to do.
How do you reason that?
Well, that's exactly right because he's issuing orders.
He's picking up the phone.
He's telling people what he wants and so forth.
And they're simply refusing to do it.
So once he puts it out in the Twitter sphere, and then, of course, you know, CNN and whoever decides to react to it and talk about how horrible and how evil it is.
But it kind of puts the people on the spot to have to do what it is that he wants done.
So if he says something like, you know, Attorney General is going to do such and such and such, such and such, now the Attorney General has to do that or he has to openly, you know, disobey the president.
And of course, the Attorney General doesn't want to be put in that position.
So now he very reluctantly does whatever he is supposed to be doing, or at least he does just enough of it to make it look like he's doing it.
And, you know, he's still probably leaving 90% of it undone.
But at least Trump got a little bit of movement or a little bit of action putting the tweet out there.
Sorry about that, Ed.
Yeah, Ed, we're coming up.
Yeah, Keith was saying he's giving it lip service.
That's for sure.
We have a couple of minutes left this segment.
But I want to be sure to get your contact information because, like I said, you're a guy that's doing a lot of work for a lot of different, on a lot of different fronts.
And these short little 30-minute mini interviews, we'd love to have you back for a more extended conversation.
And again, I hope this is the first of many appearances that you make on this program.
But where's the place people can go and read more about you, learn more about you, etc.?
They can go to www.dixieheritage.net.
That's DixieHeritage, one word, DixieHeritage.net.
And when they go to that website, they can sign up for my free weekly email newsletter, the Dixie Heritage Letter.
They'll get that free of charge.
And then I'll also send them a free copy of my book, The Truth About the Confederate Battle Flag.
Ooh, that's fantastic.
So give us that website one more time.
www.dixieheritage.net.
Dixieheritage.net.
Keith, I know what website I'm about to go to during the commercial break.
Well, you know, in regard to the Mississippi state flag, I saw something you'd be interested in.
It had judged opposed the Confederate battle flag, the rebel flag, and then the Republican battle flag, which was the white flag of surrender.
They exist to conserve the victories of the left, that's for sure.
Ed, seconds remaining.
Final word to you, my friend.
Well, you know, the Bible says that blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.
And then he said, if my people.
So, you know, the hope for America isn't in the Republican Party or the Democrat Party or the media.
You know, Christian people have to be a voice and they have to speak up and they have to be a light and they have to bring the truth and power.
And if we'll do that and stop living in fear, maybe just make God to spend the revival of our land.
There's the hope for America.
Amen.
Amen, Pastor.
Great way to end this segment.
Thanks.
We'll be back with Dr. Virginia Abernathy.
Thank you, Ed.
You're welcome.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, the last of five rounding out our five-person panel for our Midsummer Review Series is Dr. Virginia Abernathy.
She, of course, is Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, the author of Population Politics and The Vanishing American Dream.
She, among other books, she publishes in both scholarly journals and popular media and was formerly the editor-in-chief of Population and Environment.
She holds a PhD from Harvard University, an MBA from Vanderbilt University, and a BA from Wellesley's College returns this hour to round out our panel.
I'll always feel smarter just being in conversation with Virginia Abernathy.
She rubs off on me, but she's a dear friend and a dear lady.
Virginia, how are you tonight?
Well, I'm fine.
Instead of smarter, you're probably going to feel more confused after talking to me because I'm very confused about what's going on in this country.
Are you there?
Yes, yes, yes, I am here.
And we were talking about that just a moment ago, actually, before we brought you on the air.
We were talking about this Midsummer Review Series and just this informal conversation between friends about where we all think we stand right now and what may be coming over the next few months and going into the coming year.
But yeah, so I said it's okay to be confused because there's been some things that's happened this year that even we couldn't imagine in our worst nightmare.
It's definitely not.
Well, a lot of us think that some of the mess, the greater part of the mess, has to be solved within the black community by the blacks themselves.
But half of those people you hear from are still talking about a grievance they have against every white person in the country.
And very few are talking like this founder of the Woodson Institute, a Mr. Woodson, who points out that blacks were really coming along fairly well until all the welfare legislation of 1965 undermined the black family.
And underlined the black family by putting the government in place of the father of the family.
who had been the breadwinner.
So I think he's got a good analysis there because I am quite convinced that a lot of this violence cannot be solved until this issue of black grievances, which are against all whites and for no reason, because none of us in any way participated in their main problem, which is, of course, slavery, which everybody agrees should never have happened, but it did happen.
And everybody around the world was involved, practically.
And so it's no surprise the United States was too.
Well, you know, Virginia, this is Keith.
I think there's an analogy to be drawn between the people that want third world immigration in America today and the people that brought slaves to America.
They were thinking about their own short-term profit motive, and they had no conception or no concern whatsoever about the cost that they were thrusting upon society generally and on future generations.
You're absolutely right.
All they have wanted then and now with more immigration or with slavery back yonder was cheap labor.
And cheap labor is not the American way.
Work hard, get paid for what your work is worth.
And you can't keep on bringing in more and more labor because that undermines the jobs of people of Americans of all colors, all races, who are here right now.
They need the job to see salaries increase and wages increase.
And that is what we should be fostering right now.
We have to stop mass immigration because that is today's equivalent to slavery.
Well, apparently we don't learn from history, so we're doomed to repeat it.
It's going to be bad, yes.
Oh, me.
But we are, you're right.
There's an unprecedented level of anti-white animus in the public discourse now.
And that is no longer not tolerated.
You know, it used to be that white people thought that they were being very righteous and holy when they were colorblind.
But now colorblindness doesn't cut it either.
That's what white privilege is about and whatnot.
It's pure critical theory.
They are going to criticize and criticize, and we have no power or control on the media to really give our point of view.
I forget who it was that said that if something can't go on forever, it won't.
And I don't see.
But our problem is we don't know which way it will go.
Badly.
Badly, badly.
And I think it's a very deliberate effort that started in the 1920s with the very earliest seeds of the cultural revolution cancel culture today is cultural Marxism with a slightly new name.
And the idea is to undermine the family, undermine other institutions that are important to the country, including religion.
undermine the schools, which they have certainly done from kindergarten all through university.
So you hesitate to send your child to a university because what are they going to believe when they come out?
It's really, really difficult for parents to decide what to say for what to advise their children.
Well, I've distilled it down to this, Virginia.
Liberalism is the modern face of evil and every aspect of it.
There is nothing that gets a pass.
The civil rights movement, feminism, the sexual revolution, the drug culture, the no-fault divorce initiative, everything that the left has promoted over the past century has been poisonous and corrosive and destructive of our society, in my opinion.
Perhaps not when it began, but certainly you're right when each of those things is carried too far.
And they've all been carried much too far.
And go on.
I was just going to say, it's interesting to hear what you said, your assessment of the modern day university, being an academic and being such a tenured professor with such an elite education, talking about Harvard and Wellesley and Vanderbilt.
I mean, so I'm sure that that was a conclusion that you came to, obviously, from the position of honesty, but I'm sure it also pains you to have to admit that.
It doesn't pain me a bit.
It means I can't.
You go, girl.
It means I don't have to send any of those people any money, doesn't it?
With a clear conscience.
Well, you know, at the same, and I'm all for trades, and I'm all for, you know, in fact, my dream for my daughter would be that she marries and has a family and, of course, avoids that altogether.
But it's a shame that for people who do go in to get an education, that they can't go in and just get an education.
They have to get all the poison and then, as you said, come out believing God knows what that will be harmful to them and their descendants for generations.
I think what Vanderbilt is doing is really going to be suicidal because back when I was coming up, my sister went to Vanderbilt, graduated magna cum laude.
It was a place where the southern gentry sent their sons and daughters to get an education, like James Eastland's son, Wood Eastland, Woods Eastland, who was the Bachelor of Ugliness in 67.
Now it seems like they have a different profile, potential student they want, and that would be a person from the Northeast that missed out on grabbing the brass ring to get into an Ivy League school.
So they come to Vanderbilt instead, and they've got a chip on their shoulder about it.
Am I wrong with my assessment?
What do you think, Virginia?
Oh, I don't know much about the undergraduate, but definitely we have not been led well with the chancellor who's now gone, Zeppos or whatever his name was.
We have a new chancellor, and I do hope that he is going to be a vast improvement over what we had before.
He comes down, I think, from the University of Chicago, the new man.
And we don't know where it will go in the future.
But what began as well-intentioned, let's say, let us say it began at a divinity school uh, has just gone way out of hand until a fine woman like Carol Swain you know she ran for mayor oh yeah, black woman who ran for mayor at Nasheville some years ago um, she just couldn't uh, stomach Vanderbilt because of its um uh, overly liberal,
Marxist opinion.
I think the issue that finally drove her away uh, she was the faculty advisor for the Christian students club at Vanderbilt and some people who uh, were not Christian they might even define themselves as Anti-Christian wanted to become members.
And the club said, well, why should we admit people with those views as members?
And Carol stood up for the refusal to have these members.
Big fight, big fight.
Well, she was fantastic, as you mentioned, Carol Swain, the black lady, but unfortunately they always wind up on the losing side of these culture wars.
Well, she had some.
I had interacted with her, I know you did Virginia, Jared Taylor.
I mean, she really reached out and tried to have a dialogue, and that's, of course, a dying brief too, especially at universities.
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All right, another show nearly in the books, but it's always a great finish to a program and Virginia Abernathy can take us to the wall.
And Virginia, this is an impossible question, but it has been one I think we've been asking each of the panelists in this little mini-series we're doing.
You look into your oracle.
What do you see happening here in the United States between now and Election Day?
Our last guest says there's not even going to be an election.
It's just all going to be mail-in, and it's just going to be a complete catastrophe.
Voter fraud at unprecedented levels.
Hard to really pick who wins because this election itself is so unprecedented, but I would like your opinion.
If mail-in ballots are allowed in the swing states, I think that Trump will lose because it's quite a lot of evidence that mail-in ballots are subject to fraud.
So I think that they can steal the election if they're mail-in ballots in swing states.
If the election is free and honest, I am an optimist and I think Trump will win.
I don't think that people who support Trump feel free to say so in most contexts.
You don't dare wear a MAGA hat in general unless you're prepared to have a fight with people who pile on.
And my husband has a t-shirt which said Deplorable Lives Matter.
And he loves his t-shirt, Deplorable Lives Matter.
But there are places he can wear it and most places he can't.
Our last guest, Virginia, this is Keith.
Our last guest said that he thought there would be an October surprise where they used COVID to shut down the polls on Election Day.
And therefore, if you hadn't sent in a mail-in ballot, you're screwed.
Well, I don't think that would, that's not my major fear.
No, I just think it will be hard fought on whether the election is stolen or not.
If it's a fair and honest election, I think that the public understands that we can either have an orderly society or a chaotic one, and that the Democrats have been captured by the Marxist strain of the Democrat Party, and it can only go downhill if they should win.
I think that in the pre-election, Trump wins.
Virginia, of course, your signature issue, I guess, what you're known for in political circles, is immigration, population, environment balance, things of that nature.
So, again, as it applies to the election, I hate to sound like a broken record on this, but because I've said it many, many times and trying to handicap who may or may not win, it's a different country in many ways than what it was in 2016, and not the least of which of those reasons is the fact that you have still had four more years of unmitigated illegal immigration and population replacement and demographic change.
And again, with Trump having won Florida by such a narrow margin in 2016 and with the midterm Republican slate in the midterm winning it by an even narrower margin than in 2016, if he loses Florida, which you very well may because of that, that's the ballgame, is it not?
I don't keep close enough count to know that that would be the ballgame.
You're probably right.
We have to be sure we distinguish between citizens who are entitled to vote, immigrants who are not citizens and not entitled to vote, but they're legally here, and then the illegal aliens, of which there are probably at least 30 million.
Nobody has a clear count, and probably it will be very difficult to get a clear count.
Let me ask you this.
Are not voting qualifications a local matter, at least a state matter, rather than we don't have in federal elections a different set of qualifications for who can vote and who can't than in local elections.
So for example, if California wants to let everybody with a pulse walk up and vote, they can do it.
Is that wrong?
Am I mistaken?
Up to a point.
But they don't have the power to say that non-citizens can vote in federal elections.
They can let non-citizens vote in local elections, but they don't have the right to say they can vote in federal elections.
Now, the thing that other states like New Hampshire used to do are worse, which is that you could vote on you could register to vote and vote on the same day.
And that meant that an awful lot of people from Massachusetts were voting in their hometowns of Massachusetts, running into New Hampshire and registering without a valid local address, of course, and voting.
I think that they have corrected that, but I am not absolutely certain that they've corrected that.
But you can see how many options there are for states to change the rules on the margin and get around the basic federal idea that you have to be a citizen to vote in a federal election.
Let me ask you this.
Again, this is part of what we're doing here in this little two-week thing.
Asking our guests to bring the news to us.
So you're very well plugged in and you see things and you notice things.
What is an issue out there that people should be thinking about right now?
And what's perhaps a news story or two that have really just piqued your interest that you'd like to share with the audience?
Well, I think that the big issue for most people and that they'll vote on is jobs and how if they feel that they've got a decent economic future.
And that is the problem that brings us to the virus, the COVID-19, which I call the Wuhan flu, because it came from Wuhan.
You can just abbreviate that into Wu flu.
So the Wu flu.
I like it.
which is keeping people from work in so many states and so many occupations, is having this huge economic effect.
And that economic effect could be a very major factor in the election.
So we've got to get this economy back running.
I don't think that the risk of death is anything like what it used to be, effective treatments.
Wall Street Journal even said that that hydroxychloroquine was beneficial in hospital settings.
My own physician gives it, has given it to quite a few patients with good results.
And I don't think that the risk of this woo flu is anything like what some people would scare us into believing.
I'm definitely in the age group that is at risk, and I hope I don't catch it, but I don't think I'd die from it if I did.
And we've got to get people back to work and children back into the schools.
I think that all of these questions point back to jobs.
Even whether the children are in school points back to jobs, because when they're not in school, some parent has to stay home to take care of them.
And it's just essential to get the children back in the schools.
Whatever.
Preferably, yeah, private schools if possible, that's for sure.
Keith, final reaction to Dr. Abernathy's thoughts, and we'll wrap things up.
Well, I agree with what she's just said, but unfortunately, other people's perceptions are the ultimate reality.
And if they think this is the bubonic plague and act as if it's a bubonic plague, it may as well be the bubonic plague and everything except the death.
That's a good way to, yeah, that's a fantastic way to put it.
Yeah, right.
I mean, the people aren't dying like that, but the same actions are being taken.
So Virginia, with just about a minute remaining, the final word, and the whole program is yours.
Well, perceptions are more important than reality.
A lot of people don't want to hear the truth.
Some can't see the truth.
And we've just got to keep on trying with education to make people understand that this country with its Bill of Rights is the most important thing we have and we've got to support it.
Well, I think it hangs by a tenuous thread right now, and November will tell the tale.
It will.
Well, if we all go to jail next year for telling the truth, I hope I'm cellmates with you.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, we'll let you do the same cell block.
Is that going to be a co-ed jail?
Of course it is.
We'll let you in.
Okay, okay.
Just put me with my friends, please.
See you there.
A politically correct jail.
Oh, yeah, exactly.
See you there.
Thanks for calling.
Dr. Abernathy, thank you so much.
It's always great.
You've been one of our most recurring guests for many, many, many years.
That's because you're a favorite.
Well, that's absolutely right.
She's absolutely one of our favorites.
And we look forward to the next time already.
All right.
Thank you so much.
Talk to you soon, and good luck.
Thank you.
Dr. Virginia Abernathy, for Keith Alexander, I'm James Edwards.
Good show tonight.
And wow, I still got seconds remaining.
So say something smart, Keith, until the music starts playing.
Went too fast.
Well, I think what it is showing is that, you know, you can try to hedge it, but basically, everything that has been destructive to America over the past 100 years has come from the left, not from the right.
So I'm suspicious of anything from the left, and my suspicions have not been unfounded, at least during the experience of my almost 70 years on this.
There's the music.
Well, Virginia was talking about something we spent a lot of time in the last hour discussing: critical theory, cultural Marxism, applied Marxism.
Very interesting that she brought that up tonight as well.