April 18, 2020 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Ladies and gentlemen, a busy month of broadcasting will only get busier this evening as we skip around from London to Dixie to California with three incredible guests, including the barrister Adrian Davis, who's going to be joining us live from London to discuss the latest goings-on in his nation with regards to their response to the coronavirus and so much more.
Later in the broadcast, our Confederate History Month series will continue with regular guest Mark Webber of the Institute for Historical Review.
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But first, we are very pleased to welcome to the program Adrian Davis, live from London, born in 1962 at Templecombe, Somerset, a largely agricultural county in the west of England, but grew up in the outer suburbs of London.
He was educated at Cambridge, the Sarbonne in Paris, and University College in London.
He is a barrister or a trial lawyer to those of us here on this side of the pond, who has represented, amongst many Normie clients, a clutch of political dissidents.
Adrian Davis has spent the last 40 years trying to teach populists and nationalists in Great Britain to conduct themselves in ways likely to win over rather than propel Normies, and he's still trying, and we're thankful to have him tonight.
Adrian, thanks for staying up so late to be with us.
Oh, well, it's a good opportunity to do it because the whole of life in England has been completely changed for us by lockdown.
So we're going to do it.
Let's do it now.
I had been hoping to speak to James in Tennessee later, a little later in the year next month, but that's not going to happen now, sadly.
You're talking about the Amran conference.
This is Keynes Alexander, by the way.
At the moment, there's a travel ban in force for British nationals entering the United States of America.
So there'll be no traveling across the pond for some time to come, I think.
Well, let's get right down to something that is on both our minds at this time, which is the coronavirus.
In America, basically, conservatives think the thing is a tempest in a teapot, while the left insists that it is deadly serious and that you need to basically bury yourself alive and come out in six months or something.
Well, we say that, Keith, we say that, and that's true in a nutshell.
But as I'm sure Adrian has noticed, even people within our own ranks, friends of ours, are having a big family feud over this.
And you really don't know which side of the fence people are going to land on.
What are they saying about this in London, for example?
That's where you are now, right?
I don't think it's quite so sharply delineated here.
It seems strange to us Europeans to see how many things become party political issues in the United States that don't quite strike us in the same way.
But here, there's a little of that.
I think that most people, I don't think anyone can say that this is a trivial matter.
It's plainly a very serious epidemic, and it is plainly killing thousands of people.
There are questions which you'll know very well, how many of those people had multiple pre-existing comorbid conditions and were certain to die anyway.
The government's own epidemiologist here says two-thirds would have died in very short order anyway.
Well, to put it down in our vernacular here, we have people dying who have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel.
Is that about what's happening in England?
For about two-thirds of the victims, for the remaining one-third, those are people whose deaths have directly been caused by the virus, it would seem.
Adrian, we've been working with one of our...
We have a problem.
Well, we're going to give you plenty of time to talk about it.
We have a ton of questions for you.
You're an interesting man with an interesting career who has a lot of insightful things to say.
And so we have gone to one of our listeners and friends in London, one of your neighbors, in fact, and he has helped prepare for us some questions that will be insightful for you, things that people in London might pick up on, whereas we would have missed it.
But let's have you answer this.
At first, the UK government was following Sweden's lead in avoiding a lockdown in favor of developing herd immunity.
What forces worked on Boris Johnson and caused him to reverse course?
Sheer panic, I think, is the answer.
The government is afraid or was afraid of being accused of essentially taking a cynical view and asking the older generation to take one for the team, so to speak.
And they were further afraid that they might be accused of seeking actually to reduce what we call the dependency ratio, the number of people who depend upon the state for pensions, health provision,
welfare provision generally, as compared to the active working taxpaying population by effectively allowing the disease to take its course at the expense of sick and elderly people who the opposition would say the government regarded as no more than a burden upon the state.
And I think that the Conservative Party is very sensitive to allegations that it thinks more of money than of lives, panicked in the face of that fear.
Adrian, here is another question.
I'm sorry, my friend, another question that we received from the UK.
This is a headline.
You can tell me if this is accurate.
Now, this is about a week old, so it may be stale.
It may be outdated now.
But apparently, there was a massive new coronavirus hospital built in very short order.
And the headline reads, just 19 patients treated over Easter weekend at the 4,000-bed NHS Nightingale Hospital in London.
A few patients were treated at the new overflow facility as intensive care capacity at existing London hospitals never went above 80%.
Is that true?
So it would seem one of the reasons for that is that people are now afraid to go into hospital for fear that they will contract coronavirus there, which is a very understandable fear.
We have a very similar situation.
I gather exactly the same phenomenon has been reported in New York City, that there have been staggering falls in the number of people, particularly with heart attacks or other coronary conditions, going to accident and emergency departments for treatment because they're afraid that if they go to hospital, they'll become infected.
I have to say that, frankly, given the very high rates of infection from which people suffer in British hospitals, that is a highly understandable fear.
So we now have a new problem.
People with very, very serious illnesses, nothing to do with the coronavirus, heart disease, cancer, and other very serious and potentially fatal illnesses, are afraid to go to hospital.
Others of them have been very self-sacrificing.
The government has told them not to overburden the health service.
Hold on right there.
Adrian, we're coming up on our first break of the evening.
British barrister Adrian Davies, our guest live from London, James Edwards and Keith Alexander, back with him in three minutes.
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Well, folks, it's very much our delight and privilege to be able to present to you this hour live from London, the British barrister Adrian Davis, again educated at Cambridge, the Sorbonne in Paris, University College in London.
He has spent decades working for our causes in the UK and beyond.
I've had the honor of being a friend of Adrian's for a long, long time now, a decade or more.
We've known each other and our orbits cross.
And I'm very excited to have him on tonight.
Adrian, I'd like to do one more segment on the coronavirus.
And then with the time remaining in the hour after that, let's talk a little bit about the article you sent, Life Without the First Amendment, what it's like to be one of us in the UK, and then also just get the pulse on what's going on in London.
But we had these figures sent in to us, and you can perhaps confirm or deny these figures.
The NHS, that's the, I guess, the healthcare system in the UK, or at least in England, kills 40,000 people per year as a result of medical negligence.
So if you look at the numbers, the numbers are pretty much even as of this week in terms of to date from January 1st to as we broadcast live, about as many people have been killed through negligence at British hospitals as they have been due to the coronavirus.
So barely more people are killed by the coronavirus than the hospital itself.
For several years before Corona, the UK has warned that the NHS hospitals were dirty places.
First of all, your thoughts on that.
And secondly, is the National Health Service exaggerating Corona to increase its funding?
There's been some reports that American hospitals may be doing that.
Well, as far as the first is concerned, the British hospitals used well into the 1950s to have very, very high standards.
Everything was spotlessly clean to prevent infection.
But of course, one of the problems about the post-war era when people thought that antibiotics would kill every infection was that those standards slipped as it became less necessary for a period of time to take care.
And then over time, the bacteria evolved resistance to the antibiotics that were being used against them with the terrible consequences that we now have.
That one of the greatest risks you face in going to hospital is being infected with a bacterium that is resistant to the drugs generally used up to now to treat them.
And this is a problem that's been developing slowly over the decades.
It is now better appreciated and efforts have been made to bring standards back up, frankly, to what they used to be.
As for the other question, I don't generally subscribe to conspiracy theories.
I don't think they could be exaggerated because the health service wants more funding.
Quite frankly, the amount of public money spent on it is high, but it's not disproportionately high by international standards.
He does have a particular place in the affections of the British people.
Whether that is deserved or not may be another question.
One government minister years have gone by said that National Health Service or socialized medicine, as you would call it, has replaced religion as the principal object of the British people's devotion.
And that is almost true.
I think it's scarcely an exaggerated statement.
It does occupy a very important place in British life in a way that I don't think is fully understood in other countries.
Part of it, it's only part of a collective folk memory of a time before the 1945 welfare state when the divergence between the treatment available to the rich and the poor was quite pronounced, shall we say.
That's been, again, exaggerated in popular memory, but there are some myths with which you tamper at your peril, and this is one of them.
No wise person would question the status of this particular sacred cow if they want to do anything in British politics.
Adrian, this is Keith Alexander.
You know, my mother was a war bride in World War II.
My father was in Patton's army.
She was from the home counties, Hertfordshire.
And I was just wondering, it seems like that decline in the quality of the hospital care dovetails pretty nicely with the advent of socialized medicine.
And in my English ancestors' families, by the way, they attributed a great falling off in the quality of health care to socialized medicine.
Maybe they were oddballs over there.
What are your thoughts about it?
I don't think that's true.
I think it was a consequence of the belief that anti-bacterial drugs would kill every infection.
The way things were in the past was based on the knowledge that if infection developed, it would progress, often leading to the death of the patient.
So the standards that had to be maintained in hospitals in the interwar years, but there weren't such effective drugs, were extraordinarily high because the consequences of infection were so terrible.
And as the consequences became apparently easily treated, or infection became apparently easily treated and was for some decades, standards slipped.
You stop taking precautions against something which ceases to be such a serious evil.
So I think that's coincidental.
It would have happened as a result of short-term improvements in the effectiveness of drugs anyway.
Well, Adrian, let me ask you this.
We're going.
How is the English public reacting to coronavirus?
Is it the stiff upper lip of the World War II generation, or is there hysteria afoot?
Or is it somewhere in between?
Tell us what it's like.
Well, it's a very strange reaction.
I think at the moment, the populace has been panicked into believing that without the measures being taken at present, the disease will just carve a sway through the people.
Originally, the government's chief epidemiologist said that 500,000 would die without social distancing.
Then it became 250,000.
Now it's been revised down somewhat.
Originally, as I said, the figures being put forward were very, very alarming.
People are plainly concerned.
This is something very, very deep and primal in human nature.
It's not particularly British or French or German or American or whatever.
It exists in us as a species.
I think it's hardwired into us.
We fear an invisible organism that can destroy our lives in the short periods of time.
An example from history I give people is the Peloponnesian War.
during which a terrible plague broke out in Athens as it was besieged by the Spartan army.
It then sped to the besiegers.
And the Spartans, who feared death in battle not at all and were anxious only to show their courage and their loyalty to the state, lost that iron discipline in the face of the plague as it began to ravage their own ranks.
They were willing to face swords and spears and arrows and whatever.
But when the pathogen began killing them so that a healthy man within a few hours would die, they lost their discipline.
It's just very, very frightening to us as a species, and it always will be in thousands of years' time.
There will no doubt be new diseases we can't contemplate at the moment, new mutations that will terrify people in the same way that the coronavirus has terrified this generation.
Adrian, in America, everything's about race, ultimately.
And now it turns out that the coronavirus is more deadly to blacks than to whites.
Is there any of that going on?
Is there any discussion or public parlay about that in England?
That's the magic gun.
Hold on right there, Adrian.
We'll let you ponder that as we come back.
We've got another break.
I do want to transition in the next segment, a little bit away from coronavirus, to other pressing affairs of state in London and in the UK, which, of course, our guest this hour, Adrian Davis, would be particularly suited to answer.
We'll return with him right after this.
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Oh, it's a treat to have a guy like Adrian Davis on because especially these guests that come on from international ports of call.
We just wrapped up our march around the world tour.
Well, we should have.
He's staying up past midnight, and as long as he's willing to do that, we could go three hours tonight.
Alas, it's Confederate History Month.
We've got some great guests coming up in the second and third hour when our focus shifts to that.
But no, Adrian, we would love to have you back on to continue this conversation.
I want to quickly wrap up the talk on coronavirus and then move over to some other issues that you're dealing with and that our kinsmen are dealing with in London and UK in general.
But Keith was asking about the racial disparity.
A lot of articles saying this is affecting blacks more.
Of course, it's our fault for that in some shape or racist.
Or perhaps the lack of hygiene.
Are you getting any of that over there?
Well, this story has really hit the news here big over the past 24 hours.
It's quite apparent that this disease is a very non-politically correct disease.
It discriminates in just every way you can imagine.
It kills twice as many men as women.
It's profoundly ageist, ripping through the over 80s in particular and the over 70s in general.
It now turns out it's not only age and sexist, it's also racist.
It's disproportionately high numbers of deaths amongst black and South Asian people.
Whether that is a result of a genetic, greater genetic susceptibility or it is a result or it is a result of other factors that are, for example, very high rates of diabetes amongst those populations caused by, frankly, unhealthy diet or high incidences of smoking, which are very, very much,
very much more popular vice amongst South Asian men than amongst white British these days compared to 30 years ago, all the result of overcrowding in housing because those populations are concentrated in urban areas, whereas the white British population is relatively more dispersed.
I don't know, and it's become the subject of a great deal of suddenly very urgent inquiry.
I had joked.
Well, not necessarily joking.
Clearly a striking development.
I had made the observation that, you know, so many of the headlines that we were so accustomed to prior to the coronavirus world, the coronavirus era, is that you're not seeing these headlines about racism and white supremacy and all of these things that they like to call common sense, but they have found a way now to infuse it back into the news, which is, of course, dominated by this.
Well, of course, they would.
I keep trying to get off of this, but very quick answer to this, Adrian, and then I want to go to the Life Without the First Amendment that you observed.
But on his radio program this week, Nigel Farage announced that 15,000 people on a single day just this week landed in UK airports, many of them from corona hotspots and all without medical checks on arrival.
And that was simultaneously, simultaneously as that happened.
The UK government announced that it was going to extend the lockout, the lockdown rather, for another three weeks.
How does that add up?
Well, it's shocking and is being questioned by more and more people, even in the mainstream media.
It is truly extraordinary that planes can fly into London from Tehran and you just walk off with no medical checks, no quarantine, and while everyone else is locked down, you just get the train into central London.
That train is a very well-sealed, what we call underground, you call subway train where everybody else can breathe in all your germs.
It is a truly appalling state of affairs and in my view amounts to a gross failure by the government to perform its duty to keep the people safe.
One more question, and what a great answer.
I mean, it's a common sense answer, but you articulated that quite well.
You are a barrister.
Keith is, I guess, your American equivalent, an attorney here in the United States.
A question for both of you.
So both take your time answering this and tell me if this flies.
And if it does, what does this mean going forward with regard to the legality or some of the legal repercussions that we may find in the courts?
I saw that many people who boarded cruise ships either right before or right after this became known, the potential to catch and contract this virus became known.
They're suing the cruise lines.
Okay, that's one thing.
But I'm now reading articles where people are threatening and probably very well will follow through on the threat to sue the state of Florida if they reopen the beaches and then they end up getting sick.
Can you sue a state for opening businesses and then contracting this virus?
Let's focus on that.
Keith, you and then Adrian.
Well, in America, basically, you can sue the Pope for bastardy if you can get service of process, as we say over here.
And I'm sure that those types of lawsuits will be tried and somebody will find some left-wing judge up in Massachusetts or California that will give it credence.
But, you know, back in the old days when I was in law school, you had force majeure and act of God exceptions, you know, to liability and things like that.
And there has been a deviation from that.
But I do think that probably the crowded conditions on some of those carnival cruises and things like that.
Well, that may be a poor example.
I think that the issue of suing the state of Florida, for instance, would be a little more egregious.
Adrian, do you think that's something that's going to happen over there where Brits are going to be suing the state for contracting this if they don't believe the state handled this outbreak the way they thought they should?
In principle, it is considerably more difficult to sue emanations of the state here than it is in the U.S.
And for my part, I don't think that's very likely.
We're not so litigious, and litigation against the state is hedged about with all kinds of difficulties here that it doesn't seem to be in the U.S.
Okay, well, that answers my question.
But let me just say this.
We have become more and more litigious as we've become more and more diverse in America.
And that's one of the great one of the negatives of diversity is that people don't have the same type of standards, which used to be presumed and commonplace.
For example, we talk about runaway juries in America.
Well, what they don't tell you is that locales that have runaway juries almost always have majority, minority populations.
Trial by jury is an Anglo-Saxon development, and it works a lot better when the people on the jury are Anglo-Saxons.
Adrian, I guess everybody has a prediction.
Everybody has.
Yeah, please.
Go ahead.
Yes.
Go ahead.
I was just going to say that the system in England is very different because very, very few civil actions are tried with a jury.
Almost all civil claims are tried by a judge alone and have been for some time.
Well, let me ask you this.
Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has a coronavirus specialist.
Churches, concerts, conferences, businesses, you name it, if you can gather there, shut down for 18 months, basically a continuation of where we are now for a year and a half.
How long do you think you can realistically extend something like this and not have just a catastrophic global depression?
Not very much longer.
That, again, that particular penny has dropped here.
In fact, one of the things which is causing the government some concern is the discovery of how ready a large part of the population is to accept not working because at the moment the state's guaranteed such a large part of their wage packet that it makes not working a very, very acceptable activity indeed.
If the government guarantees 80% of your pay and your employer will usually pay you the remaining 20%, the situation is that you've been sent home on full pay.
Well, as the saying goes, what's not to like?
Yeah, good work if you can get it, right, Keith?
I'll take that.
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It's marvelous in some respects, but it will bankrupt the state over a period of time and not a very long period.
Well, of course, I keep saying that sort of yeah, that sort of theory that we need to lock everything down for 18 months is just sheer insanity.
The economy would collapse long before then.
It would wipe out the private sector for sure.
Yes, well, it would wipe out everything.
There'd be no tax base left.
Well, I keep saying we're going to get off of this, but it's such a fascinating conversation, especially when we're looking at it from the lens of a citizen of the United Kingdom.
And of course, here as Americans, not to say that everything hasn't been bad so far.
You've got these globalist corporations that are losing billions.
The borders are closed.
Everyone's a homeschooling family now.
You've taken away the bread and the circuses of sports and vapid consumerism, which, of course, people have built their whole identities around.
That's something that has come of this that we don't want to end.
Alas, though.
Yeah, what do they say?
It's an ill wind indeed that done blows somebody some good.
Well, there's been some good in it, but we can't keep on going like this for the reasons Adrian just mentioned.
Not very much longer.
That's a great answer to how much longer we could go with everything being shut down, literally, almost everything.
Okay, we are going to focus, though, when we come back, I promise, on other issues in London, activism without a First Amendment, and what the future looks for for our kinsmen in the UK.
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Folks, don't forget to coming up.
We're going to shift gears as our Confederate History Month series continues.
We run it every April on TPC now for 16 years.
And we're going to introduce a guest making their debut appearance on the program in Dissident Mama.
How did Rebecca become a go-from being a socialist, atheist, mainstream media reporter to a domesticated Southern bell and someone who reveres the Southern way of life?
Well, we'll find out in the next hour.
And then a program mainstay, Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review, he'll be back to talk about Southern history and an excellent article he wrote about the character of some of our Southern heroes.
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But first, let's wrap it up with Adrian Davis, the British barrister.
Adrian, thanks again for staying up past midnight to join us live.
I would love to do this again at our earliest opportunity and your earliest opportunity.
But let's talk about that article you sent me or sent some of me along with some of our other colleagues earlier this week.
Life Without the First Amendment.
What is it like in London?
The answer is that Americans should really treasure the First Amendment because it prevents you or protects you from the worst forms of oppression that are visited upon European peoples by their rulers.
We are far from being the worst state in Europe in this respect.
But undoubtedly, the particular story I sent you about police in Sheffield arresting members of a group of which I have to say I had never heard until I saw that article on the BBC website for putting out leaflets pointing out that we're all in lockdown but the borders are open.
It is shocking.
Now those arrests are totally illegal and I've got little doubt that in the end there will be no charges against the victims of those arrests.
I hope they lawyer up and sue South Yorkshire police for very large amounts of money.
The police richly deserves to be sued for that.
Tell me about how pernicious is the hate speech law in England?
Is it as bad as the one in Canada?
Is it mild in comparison?
And you also said that there are other places in Europe that have even more draconian hate speech laws.
Name them.
Let us know who they are.
Well, most European countries have pretty draconian so-called hate speech laws.
In England, the law is applied quite, I think, capriciously.
In a sense, that's the nature of the law.
You are as free as a particular jury thinks that you are on a particular day if you're charged with one of these offenses and it actually goes to trial.
The reality is that usually the only people who get charged are those who have indulged in such extreme and inflammatory rhetoric that arguably they would have done better to curb their own utterances.
Frankly, it doesn't do you any good to express yourself in the language that some people have used in the past.
The really pernicious effect of the law is not the small number of prosecutions.
They're actually very few.
It is the general climate of fear that it has induced in which people believe that any expression of opposition, for example, to mass immigration into a country is a criminal offense, which is complete nonsense.
It's nothing of the kind.
You can say that you think that mass immigration has been a complete catastrophe for the country, that it should never have been permitted and the politicians who allowed it were all criminals and enemies of the people.
And you can say that as freely in England as you can in the United States.
What you can't do is indulge in tirades of racial etithets against minorities.
No sensible person would do that anyway.
But for my part, I don't like a law that criminalizes people for perhaps unwise utterances.
But what I really hate about this law is the climate of fear that it has created, where, as I say, people, because they know nothing about the law, because they are afraid of the state and its authority, they are afraid of the way in which that might be exercised against them, believe that things which are actually perfectly lawful might get them arrested and charged with criminal offences.
In America at this time, Adrian, we have after this episode in Sheffield, where exactly that has happened, and people have been arrested for what seem to me to be completely untenable reasons, it will simply spread that fear.
Well, I don't want to mislead you about America, Adrian.
The left is definitely chafing under the strictures of the First Amendment.
They definitely want to punish dissident viewpoints here, but so far they haven't been able to do it.
But we do have hate crime laws now.
And of course, that shows you the way that the left works.
It went before Congress 43 times, was voted down 43 times, but on the 44th try, they got it through.
And they never give up and they're never discouraged.
They're like the devil in the Bible.
And we're afraid that there is going to be some type of hate speech law in America.
And if it does, it will really be a transformation.
We'll be out of business.
You can visit us on the Gulag.
Well, Adrian, quickly respond to that.
I got one last question I'd like to ask you.
And hopefully we can end this hour on a more hopeful and upbeat note.
But a final thought on the conversation between you and Keith.
Just far away.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
Oh, my apologies.
Adrian, let me just quickly transition then and ask this as we are beginning to get short on time.
I liked the old saying, the sun never set on the British Empire, or the sun never sets on the British Empire.
I believe it was the time when that was still an occurrence.
Now, of course, our cousins in the UK don't necessarily control the streets of their own capital city.
As we all know, the current mayor of London is a Pakistani Muslim.
His conservative opponent in the next election will be a black man.
Will London ever have a British mayor again?
Or at least an ethnic Britain.
Yeah, thank you, Keith.
Well, that's a very interesting question.
The demographics of London have changed greatly.
But also, increasingly, I think social attitudes have changed.
And the reason for that is a phenomenon with which you're very familiar in big American cities, the so-called white flight phenomenon.
People who don't like the changes that have happened in British society simply move out.
They moved out of London, they moved out of Birmingham and other big cities, but those two in particular to more ethnically homogeneous areas outside them.
So you tend to get a a self-selecting sample remain in the cities.
Those with views which are considerably more liberal than the majority of the population and those from ethnic minority backgrounds.
We had a guest on recently.
I'm sorry, Adrian, go by all means finish.
It's not true of the whole of London.
Outer suburbs are very different from the inner suburbs, but they are simply 30 years behind the demographic changes that have already taken place in the inner suburbs.
And London as a whole is changing.
It is unrecognizable.
If you look at street scenes in London taken 50 years ago, never mind, 70 years ago, the city is unrecognizable.
It's been completely transformed with no democratic mandate.
But because the process has been slow and gradual over a very long period of time, it has been accepted.
Whereas a sudden change of this kind would then have brought about an extreme reaction, say the least.
Well, let me ask you this in closing.
And hopefully.
Hopefully, to end on a more positive note, because we certainly know the way things are going demographically speaking and how that pertends to voting our way out of this, which that time may have passed.
And if that time has passed, which I believe it has, that doesn't mean that it's the end of our people.
We don't have to know when, and we don't have to know what the catalyst will be.
But I am hopeful that our people will turn this around.
Are you hopeful that something will happen in the future that will allow us to reclaim our nations and to reclaim our destiny?
Or is the clock set?
Has the sun set on our civilization?
Oh, I think that the problem which exists is largely a problem in the attitudes of our own people.
There are no insuperable problems in Europe today.
We live in countries that have experienced high levels of immigration for many decades, but the problems that this is causing could be reversed quite easily if the political will were there to do it.
The real problem that we have is that in England in particular, I think politics being focused on very different proxy issues.
The whole obsession with British membership of the European Union, which acted as a gigantic proxy issue or diversion from the real issues facing us, is now thankfully largely off the agenda.
But the real problem is about persuading our own people to vote in their own interests.
That so far is something that in England in particular, or the United Kingdom in general, we have not been very successful at cracking.
The signs in continental European countries are much more encouraging.
Adrian, is it correct that basically 80%, excuse me, is it still true that about 80% of the population of the British Isles are what we would call ethnic Britons, or is it a larger percentage?
A little more than that.
A little more than that.
Well, you're in a lot better shape than we are then.
We're 60 here.
Well, and falling.
Adrian, we could have gone hours.
I want to thank you again.
The music's playing at the end of this hour.
I would love to have you back very soon.
It's always fascinating for us as extracts, I guess.
If you go back to the world, members of the English field.
That's right.
To have somebody on from the UK who can give us fantastic content from that perspective.