Nov. 23, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Well, let me ask you this, the $64,000 question, James.
Are you going to put up your Christmas tree before Thanksgiving?
I'll tell you what we've been doing the last few years.
We put it together the minute the last person leaves the house after Thanksgiving dinner.
I mean, it does go up Thanksgiving.
You're just traditionalist to the cold.
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See, that's what we do.
When's yours going up?
About the same time.
It'll go up on Friday.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Well, no matter what, before our next show, Christmas trees will be up at the Edwards and Alexander homes, respectively.
But before we do that, let's welcome to the broadcast this evening a man who we have met, who we know, who we respect, and who, however, is making his debut appearance.
How did that happen?
Even after all these years, David Jones is with us today.
Out of the monkeys, the chairman of the Southern National Congress.
David was raised by a farmer, a family of farmers.
He has pastored churches in both Illinois and Tennessee.
David became politically active as the county chairman for Reagan in 1980 while managing a campaign for a Tennessee state Senate candidate in 1982.
His son tragically passed away, which in part, I guess, led David to become more active in pro-family legislative efforts.
He founded Heritage Covenant Schools in 1986 to provide services to home educators.
Increasingly interested in state sovereignty versus U.S. aggression, he helped in the planning of the Southern National Congress in 2006 and was elected its chairman in 2013.
David, great to talk to you again.
Great to have you on the show for the first time.
I promise you, it won't be the last.
How are you, brother?
I'm doing fine, and I'm happy to be here.
We are happy to have you.
So let's start with the basics, and then we'll work into the more meaty, generalized topics of conversation.
Keith's really chopping at the bit to sink his teeth into some of the topics you have suggested for us.
But first, you are the chairman of the Southern National Congress.
Tell our audience what the Southern National Congress is and when it started.
The Southern National Congress started with the idea of helping the southern states individually to secede from the Union.
We initially started out making some general remonstrances to the general government, but now we are more interested.
You know, we've come to the point of trying to encourage the local legislature, legislators and legislatures to exert their sovereignty over different issues.
And that can be anything from abortion to gun rights to this stupid multicultural, multi-sex.
God only created two sexes, male and female.
He didn't create any of the other 30, 40, whatever they came up with.
And so we've delved into that a little bit and say, look, let's not be so stupid.
So that's what we do.
Well, I mean, now listen, David, I mean, the fact that we have to feel obligated to make mention of the fact on an AM radio broadcast that there are two genders and two sexes.
I mean, that just goes to show where we're at in this day and age in God's country.
And race is a myth, too.
See, all of this, you know, common sense is taking a permanent vacation from the left.
But thankfully, we have organizations like the Southern National Congress who are out there lobbying legislatures, doing the good work.
You just made mention of some of the issues that the Southern National Congress focuses on, but tell us specifically, and in your own words, whom does it represent and who is eligible to participate in the Southern National Congress?
Basically, the 13 states of the old Confederacy.
Now, we're not trying to establish a new old Confederacy, but rather that the states can regain their position of being sovereign states for the communities.
We represent the people.
Doesn't matter what color you are or what your background is, although we will unashamably admit that we philosophically come from a Christian basis.
All right.
Yeah, go ahead.
By all means, go ahead.
Well, so it is, let's say like I live in Tennessee.
I work with Tennessee legislatures and the House of Representatives and Senate in Tennessee.
I don't try to mess with Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia.
I'm a Tennessean.
And I expect that, and so we encourage people, regardless of your state, you do the work there.
You join the Southern National Congress.
We're not going to do the work for you.
Make no mistake.
We will encourage you.
We'll give you ideas.
And once a month, I mean, excuse me, once a year, we meet to discuss the issues that are prevalent at the time and go from there.
We're going to ask this question a couple of times because this is your debut appearance.
We'd love to have you back.
I can tell you that already.
And we have a Confederate History Month series we present every April.
We've been doing that for 15 years.
We're going to integrate you into the regular lineup.
And, of course, we've broken bread together a couple of years ago down here in Memphis.
But let's go ahead and give that website out, by the way, so people can get more information.
Perhaps even as they're listening, if they're not driving in their car, if they're listening at their computer, they can pull up the website and be browsing around as we continue to conduct this interview in real time.
What's the website that people can go to learn more about the Southern National Congress?
Perhaps join or support it?
Real simple.
The SNC.org.
T-H-E-S-N-C.org.
Now that kind of rolls off the tongue, doesn't it, Keith?
You can remember that.
You can memorize it.
The SNC.org for the Southern National Congress.
So David Jones is the chairman of the SNC, and we're going to be talking to him now that we've given you just a quick primer.
We're going to talk to him about some related issues that I think you'll find of great importance, but we did, of course, want to give you a little bit of a preview as to what the organization is and some of the issues that it focuses on.
We will talk with him much more as this interview continues to develop.
Keith Alexander is going to get with it, and I think you're going to enjoy what you hear.
We'll be back with David Jones of the Southern National Congress right after this.
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Well, if you're wondering what that comment that Keith just gave you was about, we were having a conversation with Sam about the original Confederate States, the original seven, and then the four that joined it, and then the two that we count because Lincoln, may he roast, is, you know, they arrested the government of Missouri, etc.
The greatest parts of any given show we broadcast happen during the commercial break.
You just can't always hear it all.
But anyway, this was prompted by the appearance of David Jones, not of the monkeys, yes, Keith, but of the Southern National Congress.
So we read a bio that David himself provided us at the opening part of this hour when we introduced him.
A mutual friend of ours has also submitted a bio for David in his own words, and we will read that one as well, just to give you twice the familiarity with this debut guest.
David Jones was born and raised on an Illinois farm, but has been active in the cause of Southern independence since the early 90s.
He's been associated with the Southern National Congress since its inception and is now its chairman, as you know.
I don't know if we mentioned or made mention of the fact, perhaps we did, that he is an ordained minister and he married two of our most, well, closest friends, Rich and Janice Hamplin.
He married them.
He heads up a homeschool association.
He is an accomplished ballroom dancer.
He has lobbied the Tennessee state legislature for homeschool issues and other conservative causes until he got disgusted with them at least.
He's given the opening prayer at the U.S. House of Representatives.
He's been involved in his local chamber of commerce.
And I mean, everywhere from the halls of Congress to the local town halls, David Jones is working to enact a positive change.
Now, I've been asked to ask you, David, about how you broke the ice with the locals in your county regarding a locally displayed Confederate flag.
Is there a story behind that?
Well, the little town I live in, when I first moved here, a fellow had a battle flag flying beside the city Christmas tree as you came into town.
And it had been up for a while.
I mean, it was pretty windblown and sun-worn and so on.
So I started asking around who flew that flag.
And different merchants and so on.
No one knew who flew that flag.
And I thought, you know, this town is 1,000 people.
I grew up near a town of 600 people.
Everybody knows everybody's business.
I mean, there's no way that no one knows who's flying that flag.
And so I just persisted.
Of course, I'm a new face in town.
This is a small rural community, and I'm the new face, and they're not too sure about me yet.
Well, finally, I go to the postmistress, and I ask her, I said, who flies that flag down by the city's old Christmas tree?
She says, oh, let's see now.
No, no, they died.
Well, it's the land belong.
Well, no, they moved away.
She's going, she even yells back at, you know, who's helping her in the back and ask it, you know who?
And nobody seemed to know.
And she says, well, why are you asking?
And I said, well, the thing is pretty ragged.
I'd like to, whoever flies it, I'd like to give them a brand new one.
She says, oh, let's joke right across the street.
That's a great thing.
Everybody in town was protecting their own in case I was some vicious liberal.
You know what?
But you know what?
That actually brings us to an important thing to consider, even in this day and age when Chick-fil-A is capitulating.
And I'm sure you've read about it.
And they're tearing down Confederate statues all over the place.
Well, not all over the place.
Mostly, what that actually brings, this is the point.
One of our listeners in Arkansas, are the chickens homosexual?
Are there homosexual chickens?
Well, we talked about that mostly in the first hour, David.
But anyway, no, but there is still to this day, even in the day and age when Chick-fil-A rolls over to the demands of leftists and anti-Christians and anti-whites or whatever, there is still a huge difference.
As we said here this evening in late November 2019 in rural and urban communities.
And you can go to Corinth, Mississippi.
You can go to Pontotock, Mississippi.
You can go to your little town, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Digson, Tennessee.
You can go to these places, and those Confederate monuments and those flags are not going anywhere.
Am I right?
Pretty much.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, those smaller towns, even around the metropolitan areas, like, well, in Williamson County, Franklin, which is, you know, right now.
Suburban Nashville.
Yeah, it's suburban Nashville.
They now have, they could not legally take the Confederate monument out of the square like they wanted to.
So a group of well-meaning, and I use that in very large quotes, individuals decided that everything needed to be reinterpreted for a black perspective, excuse me, African-American.
For an anti-Confederate.
Yeah, well, and what's interesting is there's not enough anti-Confederate sentiment or history in Franklin for them to talk about it.
So what they did is they, I think, six or seven displays, maybe about two by three, that they have situated around the town square, near the monument, so that they can explain how bad the Confederacy and slavery was and so on.
Interestingly, I think only two of them have anything to do with Franklin.
The rest of them, a couple weeks ago, I went over and I just took the time to go read them.
It was a little bit out of my way, but I said, I just need to know this.
And only two of them had anything to do with any history of Franklin or Williamson County.
It was all this gobbledygook from Yankees unreported.
They're on the faculty at Vanderbilt.
Yeah, it just irritated fire out of me.
I wanted to, you know, think, surely I got some battery acid somewhere that I could just pour on these things.
I was so upset.
Even the one thing that was referencing Franklin, it got its information wrong.
So it's, Yeah, it's happening.
It's encroaching on rural areas.
That is just unfortunate.
Well, let's talk about some more of the generalized topics of conversation.
So you and I were messaging back and forth last night, and let's move now that we've become a little better acquainted to topics such as tyranny, respect for law.
Is reform at the federal level possible, secession, states as individual sovereignties.
I want you and Keith to really just have a good jam session on this.
We only have a couple of a few seconds remaining before we go to the next break, but for the remainder of the hour, and we'll, at the very end of the hour, of course, revisit the contact information for the Southern National Congress and ask the big question, why support it and is the ultimate goal secession?
We will ask that of its chairman David Jones before the end of the hour.
But first, let's depart and talk about some of these topics, David, that you submitted to me last night.
Where should we begin?
Well, first of all, respect for law.
What is law?
And here's my definition.
It is enacted morality.
And it presupposes a moral system, which in turn presupposes a religion as its foundation.
You cannot have law without a religion.
Hold on right there.
I want you to restate that when we come back.
And we're going to be talking about that and much more with David Jones, the chairman of the Southern National Congress, the SNC.org.
As we sit in the studio right now, what website are we at, Keith?
SNC.
That's it.
We're looking at it right here, the SNC.org.
David Jones is chairman.
He's with us tonight on TPC, and we'll be right back with you for the remainder of the hour.
Stay tuned.
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But first, David Jones of the Southern National Congress is anchoring tonight's program, and he's doing a great job of that.
The SNC.org.
So I want to explore some of these topics with you, David and Keith, of course, as well.
And then we're going to get to the ultimate question, why support the SNC and is the ultimate goal secession.
But first, you were talking about respect for law.
We're going to talk about that.
Is there any reform possible at the federal level?
Do we live under a tyrannical totalitarian form of existence here?
Is it a soft totalitarianism with regard to political correctness?
Let's explore all of these things, but continue on with your comments on the respect for law and then the segue from there into anywhere else you'd like to go.
Well, William Blackstone, the famous jurist, once said, no enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.
Not Allah.
God.
And the problem we have and why I say that reform is impossible for the Republic or the dead Republic at the federal level is that the great majority of bureaucrats and legislators in Washington, D.C. do not believe that the Bible is the basis for law.
And that's why you get all these stupid motions and pronouncements about whether it's regarding sex or whether boys can shower in the same room with girls.
It's just if you don't have a basis for your law, you don't have a law.
And that's what right now the Muslims are attempting to do.
They're trying to erase any American respect for biblical law.
David, this is Keith Alexander.
I think what you just said points to the basic problem with current immigration.
Back in the past, to be an immigrant, to be accepted as a candidate for citizenship in the United States, you had to more or less pledge your intention, and it had to be a sincere intention, to assimilate into the larger culture of the United States, which was indubitably a Christian culture.
There's no question about it, that the founders were almost invariably Christians, and even the ones that were not strong Christians had a great respect for Christian culture.
Now, you have people that are coming to America not to assimilate, but to recreate their own cultures under more prosperous circumstances.
And that is going to turn us into a tower of Babel.
Absolutely.
You know, we used to, there used to be this idea of subsidiarity.
You're familiar with that, are you not?
Yeah.
Okay, that the government that is closest to the people should have the most power.
Of course, we've seen that, the problems with subsidiarity in a place like Memphis, where now that it is a majority black city, they can take down Confederate statues because that's what the majority would be in favor of.
How are we going to, one of your topics, one of the things that you are big about apparently at the Southern National Congress is opposition to tyranny.
What about that tyranny of the majority in a place like Memphis that wants to take down Confederate statues and other cultural icons?
Well, if you start out with re-educating the populace to say that our common government is a democracy rather than a republic, that's where you're lost right then and there.
Because democracy is the rule of the mob.
There is nothing good about a democracy.
Well, how would a Republican, a government, a representative Republican government should be protecting those monuments, but they haven't.
Now, what should they do?
And how, if things were working optimally, would those monuments be protected?
Well, first of all, the people who tore them down would be jailed.
I don't care if it's a city.
Amen.
Amen.
And whoever made the order for them to be torn down or removed, they also would be jailed.
And they would have to go to face a court or face a fine for having done what they did because they have destroyed public property.
And public, I don't mean owned by the government.
I mean owned by the people.
And more than that, David, this is contrary to a Tennessee law passed by the Tennessee legislature specifically to protect those monuments In Memphis is just outrageous with how many of the different officials and private individuals have just snubbed their nose at law.
They don't care.
And there, again, that's why respect for law is important in a republic.
Well, we've got a republic, we've got a banana republic.
This is third world law of the jungle type governance that we have down here in Memphis.
And it's not just, I mean, it's funny.
You have to keep from crying.
I mean, I do too, but it's not just Memphis.
It's any major city where you have an abundance of our greatest strength.
Well, as we say on this show all the time, you can't have a first world community with a third world population.
And I think what's happened in Memphis in regard to the Confederate statues should be exhibit A to support that argument.
But we've created that.
And that's the government educational system has created a whole population of people who don't know.
I mean, are ignorant.
Of course, you know, I work with students who study at home.
And I've had people, I've had young people come out of the public high schools who were ignorant.
Some not having been taught a thing that they didn't learn themselves.
I had one young man that had been in high school for four years in presumably the best educational system in the state.
And nearly the end of four years, he had three credits.
And this was not a dumb kid.
I mean, he was sharp.
But they had switched him back and forth and robbed him of his education.
And he came to me just nearly crying because he was stuck in a shop class for six hours a day.
And he knew ahead of time he was not going to get a diploma.
It was ridiculous.
That's what I mean.
Now, you know, the truth is overwhelming almost.
If you know the truth, it will not set you free, but will imprison you and will be used as an excuse to deny you full access to what our society has to offer in the way of advancement.
Yeah, and the problem is that this type of miseducation or horrible education continues to advance because every politician runs on the idea of let's raise taxes to help the children, to make better school systems.
And so we pour more money into a state school system.
Legislators, the majority, the majority of legislators in Tennessee are either teachers or married to a teacher.
The Tennessee Education Association has more clout in the Tennessee legislature than anybody.
And the left's control of our educational system is a perfect example of modern-day tyranny.
That the truth is not going to get an audience there.
The TEA's job is to lobby the legislature to get more money given to the teachers who then pay the TEA to lobby for more money to pay the teachers.
And to be a teacher in good standing with the TEA, you've got to acquiesce in teaching them misinformation about history.
Well, Keith, give us very quickly.
We were talking with David Jones of the Southern National Congress, the SNC.org, about tyranny.
What is the difference between a tyranny as most people believe it and understand it to be versus the tyranny, the soft tyranny that we live under today?
Well, we're going to, that's our teaser right there.
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The press has created a rigged system.
They even want to try and rig the election.
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What is it about having an interesting guest and provocative conversation that makes an hour just roll by?
I'll never know, but this one is certainly doing that.
And we're with David Jones, the chairman of the Southern National Congress, the SNC.org.
Keith, very, very, very quickly, because I don't want to take time away from our guests, but we're talking about tyranny.
Most people think about tyranny being this autocratic regime that cracks down on dissidents.
How does this soft totalitarianism, which is hardening every day here in the United States, differ and in many ways overlap with the tyranny as you would know it to be?
Well, there are two variant forms of Marxism, applied Marxism.
One is communism, the other is cultural Marxism.
Communism has a hard tyranny where if you vary from the party line, you're liable to get a knock on your door at midnight and be dragged off to the basement of the Lubianka and having a bullet put in the base of your brain.
Now, the left has found out that that doesn't work so well because that engenders or causes people to go to great lengths and violence to throw it off.
They found that the soft tyranny of cultural Marxism, being politically incorrect and possibly losing your job or losing your career or losing your sinecure.
James's pastor, for example, was excommunicated from the Baptist church because he wouldn't excommunicate James from his church.
This type of thing seems to work a lot better with people.
People, Keith, Keith, if I may, that was last year.
We're beyond that now.
Now the Southern Baptists are saying that we have to, in order to be a good Christian, you have to address transgendered people by their preferred pronouns.
So, you know, the end is not in sight for this cultural transformation that we have.
We have a cultural revolution that is rivaling Chairman Mao's back in the 70s.
But this is what has happened.
And that seems to be a very effective strategy, Mr. Jones, Reverend Jones.
If you're not violent, but you deny the benefits of society, basically, if you are like us, you've got to be an entrepreneur.
You're not going to have a future with a big organization or enterprise, be it a church or be it Westinghouse or General Florida or Chick-fil-A or whatever, if you hold heretical views.
Exactly.
I have, there was a treatise written in 16, or no, actually, earlier than that, in the early 1600s, by a pen name, and it was sent to the King of France.
It is called, it was written, of course, in Latin, Vendike Contra Tyrannis.
And it's a defense of liberty against tyrants.
It was translated into English in 1689, so you can imagine it's horrible to try and read the thing.
But I took quite a few years out of my life to simplify it, abridge it, footnote it, and everything.
So now I have it available in a simplified form that someone can read.
And in that, one of the things the author does is compare a tyrant to a just king or a just ruler.
And just, okay, one thing, his attitude towards wisdom and honesty.
He hates the tyrant, hates and suspects discreet and wise men, and fears no opposition more than virtue as being conscious of his own vicious courses.
He esteems his own security to consist in a general corruption of all people, introduces multiplicity of taverns, gaming houses, masks, stage plays, brothel houses, and all other licentious superfluities that might effeminate and bastardize noble spirits.
The Kardashians king.
You could look at the leadership in Washington and primarily on the Democratic side of the aisle, but also Republicans are following this course as well.
But it says a just king seeks out from all places honest and able men and encourages them by pensions and honors.
Now, that's just one of the areas that this man went into.
And when I first translated this, it was during George Bush's, the senior, his term of office, and he went down the line almost every one of the things about a tyrant he was.
Of course, you say that to a Republican gathering, you go, oh, no, no, no, no, not Father Bush.
And yes, sorry.
When you hit the nail on the head, you drive it straight, as we say here in the South.
Yeah, I mean, it was, and so it's a ridiculous situation we face when those who we suppose will follow law, and yet they themselves have no respect for the law.
I mean, when George Bush Sr. wanted to go into invade Iraq, he was cautioned by some of his advisors that the Constitution didn't allow him to do that.
And he says that damned piece of paper, he says, let's get rid of it.
But I thought Ollie said, yeah, you left that one word before the damn in reference to our master.
Right.
Well, look, we live in a corrupt society now with corrupt leaders, with tyrants.
What can we do?
This secession is the only course, or what is the course?
That's the question.
All right, David, I'll actually just echo Keith's question because we're running out of time.
We could have and should have had you for two hours tonight, but we'll have you back in short order if you'll do us the honor.
But the question is, we live under the soft totalitarianism.
It's becoming harder every day.
Respect for law, forget about it.
We live in a criminally corrupt under a criminally corruption which is in direct controversy, refutation of natural law.
No morality.
No morality.
Post-Christian.
Is reform at the ballot box possible?
And if not, what about secession?
We understand that at one point in this nation's founding, states were considered to be individual sovereignties.
Is reform possible under the current system?
And if not, how about secession?
On a federal basis, no.
It is not possible because we are too distant from the people who are doing all the damage.
The bureaucracy is horrendous.
You mentioned earlier that I opened a session of Congress in prayer.
Well, I had images from my childhood of standing there before this multitude of men and women and leading them in prayer.
You want to know how many people are in the Congress, in the room, when it's open, when it's open in prayer.
You want to have any idea how many of the 35 people are?
I'd love for you to take us behind the scenes on this.
I bet you felt like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
I mean, what was it like as a Christian?
12 people.
12 people out of 435.
Wow.
That's interesting.
Wow.
We could have done an hour on that, on that experience.
Oh, and I was told not to mention the name Jesus in prayer.
Oh, I bet.
I did, but, you know, so be it.
Well, good on you.
Fantastic.
How do we get right with God then as a nation when you have a government that refuses to allow you to use the name of Jesus in a prayer?
Well, they don't even show up, but the ones who do, the ones who mistakenly got there early, they don't want to hear it.
And David, we've got two minutes remaining.
The SNC.org, folks.
We'll have David back for a follow-up very soon, but the last word is yours.
Secession is the only way because as Keith mentioned earlier, the most powerful government needs to be the one that's closest to the people.
That means the city government, the county government, and the state government.
And the state is divorced from any federal situation where they must abide by someone else's ruling that is so far away from them that they don't even know what the local situation is.
You need to have local people making local decisions for the benefit of the local people.
That's it.
It's got to be that way.
And anything else is going to end up in a complete totalitarian system.
I didn't mean to laugh at what you were saying, David, but I just received a message from one of our local listeners here in Memphis, Dave for president.
So, well, you got one vote from one of our listeners in Collierville, Tennessee tonight.
I'll be glad to be president of the Republic of Tennessee.
There you go.
And is that the ultimate goal?
I mean, is that what you would say would be what the Southern National Congress is, in fact, pushing for?
I mean, let's not mince words.
Would that be what the SNC's vision is?
I mean, take Tennessee has about the same GDP as Switzerland.
It's divided into, Switzerland's divided into, I think, 30-something cantons or provinces.
Tennessee could very easily have a federal government of just its portions, Middle, East, and West Tennessee, city-states as far as Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga.
You could have a Congress of Tennessee and do very well with it.
Man, you're getting me excited.
I'll tell you what.
Let's dream about it on that.
Yeah, let's work on that.
David Jones of the Southern National Congress, the SNC.org.
David, let's have you back very soon.
Thanks for coming on and have a happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all as well.
We'll be right back with the third and final hour, folks.