Nov. 9, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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I'd like to thank Kenny Gibbon for an interesting hour of conversation, and I trust that you enjoyed it.
My next guest is someone who kind of made a big splash.
I'm the first one who stopped to interview him, and the comments were amazing.
People were saying they'd never heard a white minister talk that way.
I'm just going to introduce him.
His name is Reverend Brett McAtee.
I've known him for years.
He's a good friend, and he's a solid Christian, and he's just a fine individual.
I'm very pleased to know him, and I'd like for you to know him too.
So, Brett, welcome to Political Cesspool.
Thank you, Winston.
How many times have you been on the program now?
I believe this is the third time.
Okay.
Well, as I said, you quickly became a fan favorite, and I hope we continue that tonight.
I'm sure we will.
So, let's just get right back.
I'm glad for your kindness, and I'm glad to have you and James contact me.
It's a privilege, really.
Excellent.
All right, let's just jump right into our topic tonight.
We wanted to talk about the decline and fall of the West.
Western civilization is in a very bad way.
Everywhere we look, we see Western countries being taken over by hordes of people who are not from those countries.
They don't care about the institutions of their host countries.
They don't care about the traditions of their host countries.
All they care about is being what they were in their own, well, I won't use the word that President Trump used, but they're interested in being exactly what they were in their own countries.
And you cannot build a first world civilization on third world population.
So, Reverend Brett, there are several things that we want to talk about that have brought about this decline.
And I'm just going to throw this out there.
The media has fueled the decline.
Education has fueled the decline.
Jurisprudence has fueled the decline.
And most distressingly, the church has fueled the decline.
A man named Chris Hedges said this.
We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health.
Lawyers destroy justice.
Universities destroy knowledge.
Governments destroy freedom.
The press destroys information.
Religion destroys morals.
And our banks destroy the economy.
What do you think?
Yeah, how could I disagree?
That's exactly accurate.
I came across in my reading something that Whitaker Chambers wrote to William F. Buckley in 1961.
And Chambers said, even in 1961, basically said the West is already dead and there's no bringing it back.
Now, whether that's true or not, by God's grace, we hope it's not true.
But even in 1961, somebody as prolific in their writing as Whitaker Chambers saw what was going on.
So yes, the West is in decline.
The question of whether it's reversible is sovereignty, but it's definitely the case that it's a different world than the one that you or I even grew up in.
And the rapid change of our culture in a lot of this decline is just breathtaking.
It's like living in Alice's Wonderland.
If you want to talk about how we've got to this point because of the government, as well as those other institutions you've talked about, there's all kinds of things that might be said on that score.
All right.
Well, what are your thoughts?
How has education contributed to the fall of the West?
Sure.
Well, educationally, of course, the government has seized that.
And with Jimmy Carter, of course, created the Department of Education.
But even before then, the government was controlling what was going on in education.
And one of the ways that we saw that was the consolidation of school districts so that you had the elimination of these smaller schools in favor of larger districts and larger schools.
But if you want to fast forward from that point, educationally, we've been in a bad way since Horace Mann came up with the idea of having mass education.
But in our time, in our lifetimes, at least, of course, there's the whole reality of the Common Core.
This Common Core, which has been constructed from Washington and passed down then to the school district, has the ultimate goal, the instupidification, the dumbing down of our children.
The Common Core is not historically based, completely sociologically based.
And everything about it, the snacks of confusing the child instead of helping the child.
One example of that is the whole program was Goals 2000 and otherwise known as No Child Left Behind.
This again was Washington, D.C. legislating from Washington for all the states.
And what they didn't tell you in the whole program of No Child Gets Left Behind is that no child gets ahead.
So it's that same old idea of socialism.
Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator.
Educationally speaking, all of our children became equally stupid under the No Child Left Behind and the Common Core concept.
Also, what the schools do now from K through 12 and in the university as well, they do what they call a disenchantment of the world.
That is the idea that they strip the student of any kind of the idea of the religious, any kind of the idea of the mysterious, the transcendent.
And instead, what they plug in is the idea of science, so-called, or enlightenment thinking.
And so the student has basically taught there is no transcendent reference point for truth.
Truth is eclipsed.
We're no longer worried about truth.
We're worried about meaning.
And meaning can be personally variable.
And so truth is now out the window along with transcendence, along with religion, along with God.
And of course, we've created monsters by this kind of educational program.
And then the university only stepped on the accelerator to make it even worse.
And that's not even talking about, we haven't even gotten into the idea of what happens when you create a Lord of the Flies atmosphere in the classroom by putting 20, 13, 14, 15 year olds together or however many you want to put together.
So this is a educationally speaking, the decline of the West has certainly been aided and abetted by what we call education.
It shouldn't be called education, but what we call education.
Yeah, It doesn't take a very hard look to see that the state of education in this country is pathetic.
Every week we see new stories of outrages on campuses when the blacks want their own safe spaces so that they can talk about what they want to talk about without fear of offending white sensibilities.
You know, I read stories like that, and I think, you know, they already say some pretty awful things about us.
in public without safe spaces.
I just wonder what they're going to say about us when we can't listen to them.
Well, look, you know, it was in the 1960s when they integrated the universities.
Hold on.
Hold on, Trevor Brett.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Smith, and Mr. James Edwards.
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We're here tonight with Reverend Brett McAtee, Political Secret fan favorite.
And we were talking about the decline of the West.
Reverend Brett, before we go any further, I'd like you to tell people where they can see some more of your thoughts or more of your work.
I believe you have a website called Iron Inc.
Right.
If people want to access more of my writing, they can go to okay, I'm sorry.
If people want to access my writing, they can go to ironinc.org.
And there they can see all kinds of this kind of information and different articles and essays and whatnot.
So that's ironinc.com, right?
Ironinc.org.
O-R-G.
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Got it.
Yep.
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Before I went to the break, we were talking about the university's contribution to the fall of the West.
And I had made the point of blacks wanting safe spaces on campus so they could talk unfettered in a way that they aren't able to do with a talking remote.
And you were starting a point, but you didn't get too far into it.
Can you take that up again?
Yeah, I just said that universities became integrated in the, I think it was the 19, early 1960s.
And now it seems that many of the ethnic communities don't like being with whites.
And I have no problem if they want to start their own universities and their own educational matrix systems.
Of course, you know, with their own funds and money, I think that's perfectly acceptable.
And indeed, maybe it should be saluted as long as that standard is held for other ethnicities, other races as well, so that white people can have their own universities or schools, if that's what they want.
So they want to go to something that's integrated, multicultural, then they can do that too.
But the fact that they want their own spaces, you know, just suggests to me that they want to segregate again, which again, I have no problem with.
Well, it does seem like a lot of non-white groups certainly do want their own spaces.
They want their form of segregation.
It's okay when they propose segregation, but when white people propose segregation, then it becomes very bad.
And a couple times a year, I see stories about how Even high schools are re-segregating, and you see it in the lunchroom.
You know, white kids want to eat with white kids, black kids want to eat with black kids.
Nothing wrong with that.
It keeps the peace.
Segregation works.
It works for everybody.
Right.
And that's not uncommon.
I mean, that's never been uncommon.
That's not something that's new.
It's the same way almost any institution that you want to think of.
It's true, for example, in prisons as well.
That's perhaps not the ideal example, but in prison populations, segregate.
Educational institutions tend to move in that direction.
It may not be universal, but there's still a tendency to that end.
And as someone once said, in a trying to be witty, they say the most segregated hour in America is 11 o'clock on Sundays during church.
And again, there's nothing wrong with that because people like being with people who are like them.
That's not to say that other people are bad who aren't with them.
It's just to say that's a common tendency.
There's nothing evil about it.
And yet, somehow, even that falls in the lap of white people.
It's likely to think we are the ones who want that segregation.
And we do.
I want church segregation, but so do they.
Their hypocrisy is astounding here.
It's okay for them to segregate from us, but for us to segregate from them, they take that as an insult.
And it's not an insult.
It's, as you said, we just want to be around our own kind.
And there is nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, there's certainly a double standard that's going down all over the place.
So, for example, people whine and moan about white privilege when, in point of fact, the case can easily be made that what's going on is black privilege, but nobody talks about that because that would be automatically wicked or evil.
Or take quoting James Cohn or Elijah Muhammad or Louis Farrakhan, some of the things they said about white people and how evil they are.
You know, that's acceptable, but if it comes from the other direction, you know, that's worth the fires of hell.
So there's definitely a double standard, and we live in an age where white people just have to swallow it, it seems anyway.
Earlier, I said that the most distressing thing about the decline of the West is that the modern church has contributed to it.
And that saddens me greatly.
It was the church that made Europe great.
It was churches that made America great.
There were books out about sermons, political sermons, that were preached in the pre-revolutionary war era and even during the colonial era.
So the churches back then were mightily involved in politics.
But now the churches have become, oh, what is the scripture that says, be not conformed into the world?
Right, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
That you may improve that which is acceptable and perfect or mature.
Now we live in a time where the church has successfully has been successfully transformed into darkness.
It transformed minds into darkness and they have fully embraced the world.
Yeah, the church, of course, most of the people that are in pulpits came through the educational system in one degree or another.
And even the seminaries anymore have been compromised by going through the educational system.
And we can't get over the reality that what the educational system has pushed is against this idea that what our fathers believed is evil.
So patriarchy is evil.
Gender roles are evil.
The idea of distinctions, proper distinctions that are once upon a time made.
So, for example, women no longer being ministers or elders.
Those kind of things now are seen as evil in the church.
And the church is just a pale reflection of the broader educational system.
So really is a support network for the modern state.
which wants to get rid of biblical Christianity.
So the only people that the modern church will rail against, and this is even the White Hat denomination, the only people they'll rail against are those who are Christians like their fathers and their grandfathers and their great-grandfathers before them.
They are essentially dishonoring their fathers and mothers.
Yes, yes.
The church is, I know, I never thought about it.
That's the way to put it.
The church has become one walking violation of the Fifth Amendment.
Of course, the attendant promise with that commandment is, you know, honor thy father and thy mother, that thy gaze will be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
We're losing the land that the Lord gave us because we are dishonoring our mothers and fathers.
Yeah, and if you think, you know, the way it's supposed to be, though, is that Christians inherit the earth and we're being disinvested of not only our land, but the whole earth because we're not being obedient and loyal children to biblical Christianity.
Everything is inverted.
Everything's on its head.
It's just sometimes it's breathtaking.
I have to get away in a corner of my hand.
Okay, we got a break.
Yeah.
We'll be right back, folks.
Stay good then.
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I'm Mr. Smith, and I'm talking with Reverend Brett McAtee.
We've been discussing the decline and fall of the West.
We dealt with the role that education, or should we say, core education, has contributed to this fall.
And now we're talking about how the modern church has contributed to the fall of the West.
Reverend Brett, would you continue your thought, please?
Sure.
Teeing this up, though, and when it comes to education, we have to keep in mind that this is not accidental.
This is deliberate.
This is being done to us by those who are planning what's absolutely happening.
Now, in the church, the church, again, is just following in the wake.
As we said, it's basically taking the faith and it's reinterpreting it in a cultural Marxist direction.
So that, as I was saying earlier, the family is no longer seen as the central unit.
It's no longer understood that patriarchy is the absolute good.
For example, there was a book recently written by a young lady who's supposedly conservative, who's going on and saying, well, I'm not interested in gender roles from the 1950s.
I want to know what the Bible says.
Well, never mind that anytime, not only in the 1950s, but 2,000 years prior to that, those gender roles were something that were understood as coming from scripture.
But now all of a sudden, we have to be told by a young lady who is supposedly, again, is conservative, that that's all hogwash.
We need to completely rethink our gender roles.
And all of this is being pumped and primed by, I mean, the church that I'm exposed to is the Reformed Church.
So other churches are doing it as well, I know, but the Reformed Church is right in there playing along with the cultural Marx game plan and advancing the agenda of the Frankfurt School.
It's Lewis.
Yeah, the long march through the institutions has been very effective, and they still got a lot more tricks up their sleeve.
But the church's complicity, the church invisible's complicity in the destruction of our society is something that galls me to no end.
Right.
And you have to understand, again, it's the leaders.
Now, I'm not sure the rank and file listens much to the leaders, but in as much as they do, the leaders are the ones that are taking us in this direction.
But we have to be encouraged as we read our scriptures.
We have to remember Elijah Elijah felt like it was all hopeless.
You know, there's nobody left but me, Elijah said.
And God reminded Elijah, no, I'm not so fast.
There's 7,000, the perfect full number who have not allowed me to beal.
And we're in our isolated pockets around the states.
And even I talked to some people around the globe, even.
We're an isolated pocket and we think there's nobody else, but we need to understand that even if there was nobody else, that's not true.
But even if there wasn't, God remains sovereign.
Everything that's doing is to the end of bringing Reformation renewal, even though it's almost impossible for us.
What the Reformed churches are doing, and I attend the Reformed church as well, but what the Reformed churches are doing is ghastly.
This past year, I think it was, the Presbyterian Church in America had their, what was their big gay acceptance conference they had?
Yeah, that was their General Assembly.
Yeah, chat named Greg Johnson, who said, who insists that he's, I don't know what word he would use.
Would he use the word queer?
Would he use the word homosexual?
I don't know what word we would use, but he'd say that he's definitely that way, but he's celibate.
And so he's celibate, but he's still queer, according to him.
And he wants, basically, he wants the denomination to accept that.
So instead of saying, you know, this got some real problems, they put a study committee together.
And already based on the study committee, you can probably guess what the study committee is going to come back and say.
And then on top of that, they had all kinds of a petition.
They had a petition signed by all kinds of ruling elders, teaching elders against a statement that was that was brought to the floor that was contrary to what the celibate queer wanted.
And all these people signed this document against the person who brought the overture because supposedly used harsh language.
And it didn't.
I mean, people have to go back and look at the overture.
But this guy, I don't remember the pastor's name, but he was as mild mannered as possible.
But there were legions of people that signed this document wanting him to be censured because of the rough language that he used in talking about this situation.
And so we're the ones that are being again being put on the defensive when we should really be the ones that are on the offensive.
Actually, it's gotten to the point now where throughout the Reformed denominations, there's going to be people asking hard questions about staying in Reformed denominations.
That's how bad it's gotten.
I can't remember who it was who said this, but the quote, I remember, said something like this.
The modern world demands that we approve what it should not even dare ask us to tolerate.
And we're getting that from the pulpits and from the general assemblies and from the church invisible leadership.
They're demanding that Christians approve of things that they should not even dare ask us to tolerate.
Yeah, what's the chap?
The guy's last name is Moore with the Southern Baptist Convention.
There's so many Moores out there, I get them mixed up.
Russell Moore.
He wrote recently a column for the New York Times titled What the Church Can Lose Learn, What the Church Can Learn from Sesame Street.
I mean, even the title of the article should make you realize that somebody's jumped the shark here.
And yet it was this, again, this whole thing about multiculturalism and diversity is our strength and blah, blah, blah.
Again, right out of the playbook of the Frankfurt School.
It could have been written by Theodore Adorno.
It could have been written by Matt Corkheimer.
It could have been written by any number of the church.
And here it is from one of the leadership of the church.
Okay, let's move on to another aspect of what is contributing to the decline and the ruin of Western civilization.
The media.
This is a big one.
And this is the one that galls more people than the church's involvement.
And the whole time I'm here, I'm going to quote Robert Heinlein, the great author.
Here's what he wrote.
There seems to have been an actual decline in the national decade.
The United States has become a place where entertainers and professional athletes were mistaken for people of importance.
They were idolized and treated as leaders.
Their opinions were sought on everything, and they took themselves just as seriously.
After all, if an athlete is paid a million or more dollars a year, he knows he's important.
So his opinions of foreign affairs and domestic policies must be important too, even though he proves himself to be ignorant and sub-literate every time he opens his mouth.
Now, the media is responsible for building up these people into intellectual powerhouses and paragons of virtue.
Even LeBron James has jumped into politics and geopolitics.
And his claim to fame is he throws an air-inflated bladder through a hoop.
You can teach a SEAL at the zoo to do that.
Right.
You know, I see this guy interviewed, and I think who cares?
But again, somebody must care else they wouldn't interview.
And we have to realize that, first of all, the media has an agenda.
Even Edith Effren, as far back as 1968 in her book, The News Twisters, demonstrated that the media comes to all of its issues with a complete and set bias.
And she chronicled that, numbered that.
But it's even become even more so since she wrote that book in 1968.
I have another book called Truth is the First Casualty of War.
And we have to realize that we're in a war right now.
And the media is not on the side of biblical Christianity.
And it will twist everything that comes down the pike.
I mean, for goodness sake, ABC just recently put a photo of a gun rally and gunfiring on a gun range and said that that was what was going on in Syria.
It's just ridiculous what the media will do in order to establish positions.
So when we come to the media, we have to understand before we even pick up anything and read it, we have to understand who it's coming from.
We have to understand their worldview.
We have to understand their presuppositions, their dispositions.
And we can already probably write the article for them before they do if we know who they are and where they're coming from.
The idea that there's no bias in media, that there's such a thing as objective reporting, should be laughed at whenever it's mentioned.
So we shouldn't even look at the major media outlets, CBS, NBC, ABC, the news networks, New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Wall Street Journal.
We shouldn't even pay attention.
We should ignore them, except to find out what the enemy's thinking.
Then we have to realize the media is on a break.
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Welcome back to tonight's broadcast of the Political Suffice Goal Radio Program.
I'm Winston Smith sitting in for James Edwards, who's taking a break, a well-deserved break.
And James, enjoy your evening, enjoy your week.
Everybody's looking forward to you getting back next week.
I'm talking with Reverend Brett McAhee.
We're going over some of the causes of the decline and fall of the West.
We've covered education, we've covered the media.
Now, we've covered education and we've covered the church.
Now we're talking about the media.
Reverend Brett, this is the last segment.
So finish your point about the media.
And I want to ask you the final question.
Sure.
I guess my last point in the media from what I've already said is that we have to realize that there are six companies who own 90% of the information you're getting.
And these six companies are basically holding hands.
They create a kind of consensus or the parameters that they tell you that you're allowed to think within.
So you have GE, the News Corp, Disney, Viacom, Time Warners, CBS.
They own 90% of the information you're getting.
So you have to make a determined effort to read outside of those sources.
Go to places like ironinc.org, go to tribaltheocrat.com.
There are many sources out there that will give you views that are not part of the creative consensus that what we have in the meeting right now.
And if you're going to be informed, you have to find a way to read outside the consensus that's being created by all this consolidation.
So that list of outlets, I would also recommend Western Voices World News.
It's one of my favorites.
Again, that's Western Voices World News.
Yeah, another one is the Epic Times.
I find pretty good.
Theepictimes.com.
Yeah, I see their paper all over Washington, D.C.
It's a good read.
Yeah, at least it gives you a different angle.
That's true.
Now, we spent a lot of time tonight dooming and glooming.
Let's try to put a little cheer into this.
What can be done?
How can you know there's going to be a foremost from government?
It's not going to come from education institutions.
It's not going to come from the churches.
It's going to have to come from ordinary people.
Right.
What can be done is that, first of all, we need to make ourselves as much as we possibly can aware kind of things that we've talked about tonight.
We don't doom and gloom in order just to get our jollies off of it.
We do and gloom in order for people to see that there has to be someplace else that they can go in order to get away from this information.
And we've given some of those other outlets.
Another thing that we need to do is we need to keep our children.
If we keep losing our children, and the whole idea of covenant theology and the reformed understanding is that the faith is passed on to generations.
Children, whether we send them to government schools, whether we give them over to the media, whether we send them to church news group, however it's happening, we're losing our children.
So if we want to turn all this around, we've got to keep our children.
Another thing we've got to do is we've got to pull out of these churches that we described.
If you're attending a church that is giving you this kind of bills that we talked about tonight, you need to leave, even if it means that you worship out of your home in a small house church setting.
You know, the only thing that the church understands is the sound of the clicking of the pocketbook and not getting any more money.
And so in order to turn this around, we've got to, you know, our church has to start supporting the government.
In other words, quit voting for tax increases on your local bond issues.
Do anything you can to starve any government, local, state, or federal, of funds.
They have all the funds that they need, and the more funds you give them, the more they're going to continue to be the problem.
Turning things around means finding loyalty within as many like-minded groups as we possibly can and encouraging one another with scripture.
Another thing that we could do is start understanding how biblical Christianity is something that's not just this thing about getting your soul saved, but is this idea of as being applicable to all of life so that as a minister, I can talk about these different things that we talked about tonight tonight because biblical Christianity applies or has something to say to each of these areas.
And then, lastly, I would think that something that we desperately need to do to turn this around is that we need to return to God's word, to the law, to know what's right or wrong.
To answer the question, how shall we then live?
We have to look to God's word, and not only the moral law, but how that moral law is explicated in the civil law, what's called the case law.
We have to understand how it is that we can take those principles and apply them to our 2019 type of setting.
And we need to do this in such a way that we don't isolate ourselves completely, but yet we don't integrate so much that we lose our identity as who we are.
Easier said than done.
Okay, I would love to comment on all that, but as you were talking, I got a message from Stephanie, the transcriptionist.
He said she couldn't keep up with you.
So you get rather involved in your thoughts, don't you?
I'm sorry, you broke up a bit.
While you were talking, I got a message from Stephanie, the nice lady who transcribes what people are saying so I can read it.
Oh, and she said she couldn't keep up with you.
You get very good.
Yeah, that's a problem I have.
I can talk.
It's not a problem here.
We adapt.
So I'm going to say some things, and I don't know if you've covered them in your talk there, but I think one of the most important things that we can do, the most important difference we can make, is to get on our knees and pray.
Ask God to help us.
Ask God to forgive us.
Ask God to give us godly leaders.
We don't pray enough.
I think it was Matthew Henry.
Yeah, it was Matthew Henry in his book of prayer, book on prayer.
He just asked a very simple question.
Are we not Christians?
Are we not Christians?
And this was in his book on prayer.
So his point was that if you're a Christian, you pray.
And somebody else once said that a prayerless life is a Christless life.
So I think a return to vigorous, regular prayer would do a lot for us.
It would certainly change our hearts and minds.
And that's what we need.
We need changed hearts and minds among those who call themselves by the name of God.
We need Christians to have changed hearts and minds.
And the scripture says, if my people but humble themselves and get on their knees, humble themselves and pray, you know, he'll bless us.
So I think prayer is a big key to reversing the decline.
Right.
Prayer communicates the idea that we don't believe that we're on our own.
You know, and if we are Christian people, then we should be bringing these things before the Lord in prayer, and not only in our private prayer, but also in our corporate prayer as we gather together as God's people on the Lord's Day each week.
That should be part of the pastoral long prayer, these kind of issues that we've been talking about.
You know, we're typically, we're literally shut up to God.
There's no place else but to turn to him.
And so prayer has got to be part of that equation.
And then lifting up from prayer and going out and seeking to stand.
And after we've done all that we can do to stand, stand.
So, yeah, we have to say we're a remnant and that we're going to be opposed, but that's okay.
I would like to recommend that people read Matthew Henry's book on prayer.
It's, you know, if you've ever read Matthew Henry's commentary on the Bible, you know what his language is like.
But this is actually a much easier read, and you should read it.
Yeah, actually, my wife and I have worked through that together in the past.
Yeah, work.
That's the key when you're reading that kind of language.
And my degree is in English, so I enjoy that kind of language, but sometimes it is a bit challenging.
I remember Spurgeon had said that a woman had asked him how long he prays every day.
And he said, oh, I never prayed more than five minutes.
And the woman was shocked.
And he got the effect he wanted.
And then he said, but I never go five minutes without praying.
Right.
Prayer is not only that which we do in our prayer closets.
It's what we do as we're out and we're in the public.
For example, when I come up to difficult situations, when I'm having a counseling session or I'm conversing with somebody, I'll almost always pray for wisdom at that point because, you know, left to myself, I don't know how to address a lot of things that come across my path.
And so I, you know, while in the midst of the conversation, I'm praying in between my ears, asking for wisdom and help.
So prayer is today can be done 24-7.
And it probably should be.
I remember reading of a Christian who was involved in a debate, you know, on a stage with podiums and everything.
And people noticed that he was writing furiously and he was writing a lot.
And when the debate was over, some people went up to see what he had been writing, and it was the same thing over and over again.
More light, Lord.
That's a good thing to pray.
And face it, none of us have the capacity within ourselves to deal with these issues.
They're beyond us.
And so we have to repair in our prayer closets to ask God for wisdom on these things and also to know how to lean into life and also prayer for opportunities to leverage the crown rights of Jesus Christ.
I think it was Spurgeon who said something like, the best seminary is not a building, but a closet.
Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
We're coming to the end of it, but coming to the end of this program.
Reverend Brett, thanks very much for coming on.
It's always a pleasure.
I hope we have you on many more times, and I hope I'm involved in.
Yeah, thank you very much, and Godspeed.
Good heavens, thanks for going ahead.
Stephanie, thank you very much.
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