Jan. 12, 2019 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Well, you know, folks, I heard that song again in a movie last night, and I was thinking, well, since Elvis and the political cesspool are, as we've said before, the two biggest things to ever come out of Memphis.
And not necessarily in that order, I might add.
Okay, in all honesty, he's probably a little bit bigger than we are, but it's a good song.
And don't we all have those suspicious minds tonight in the wake of Donald Trump's presidential address?
We're going to be spending nearly the entire first hour talking about that, breaking it down.
Keith Alexander, and yours truly, James Edwards, offering opinion and commentary on Trump's address to the nation.
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Keith, how are you?
I'm doing great.
Just a couple of things on Elvis and suspicious minds.
All right, very quickly.
We want to get to the important stuff first, so we're going to stay on this song.
Okay, well, that was a number one hit, and I think Elvis went about 10 years between having number ones.
That was by Chips Mohan.
Chips Mollen was a producer, legendary Memphis producer, produced Brocks Todd, produced Neil Diamond and all sorts of other people, B.J. Thomas.
And he basically got Elvis into the studio, drove all the entourage out, and put him into what was then the new wave of modern pop music and basically resuscitated Elvis' career.
So another one of these unsung heroes of the Memphis music scene, Chips Mohan.
All right.
Well, there you have it, folks.
A little behind the scenes history on suspicious minds.
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If you're not familiar with Lacey, we've got a picture of her up there at our Twitter at James Edwards DPC.
But first, Trump's address, Keith.
This was pretty big news.
This was his first.
Can you shut that door, Keith?
I'm getting a little bit of an echo.
We'll do that and see if we can improve the sound here for you.
This was Trump's first address from the Oval Office.
I think Obama had done three in his two terms.
This was Trump's first, comes midway through his first term, and the topic was immigration.
Now, as always, folks, you don't make it 15 years in this business in media and certainly even in this movement now with so many content creators unless you stand out.
And we have always had the ability here at DPC to think for ourselves and form our own opinions.
Even some in our own circles tend to have a herd-like mentality sometime.
And after the president's speech, I watched it in its entirety in real time when he was delivering it.
And I got on Twitter and I was looking at my Twitter feed, and it seemed to be pretty much universally panned by a lot of our friends in the nationalist cause.
But my overall impressions of his talk were generally positive.
As a matter of fact, I actually got on with Richard Spencer.
Richard was doing a hot take YouTube.
He asked me to come on.
I wasn't able to get there at the beginning, but I hopped on about midway through.
And when I hopped on, you know, Richard and I had a disagreement with it.
Richard said basically that it's a speech you would have heard somebody like Romney or Jeb Bush give.
I don't think you would have heard the speech at all had it been Romney or Jeb Bush.
And if they did give a speech on immigration, it would certainly be to dissolve the borders entirely and that anybody that can somehow, some way set their foot on American soil, they're citizens just like the rest of us.
I mean, that would have been their speech.
I mean, I don't know if I'm missing something there, but that's, of course, my opinion.
So overall, I think it was positive.
And I'll tell you why.
A couple of reasons.
Well, first of all, let me tell you this.
Obviously, you have to look at this pragmatically.
If you do the two standards of measurement, obviously Trump's going to fall short.
If you compare Donald Trump's address to the nation to the address that I would have given or the address that Keith Alexander would have given on immigration, obviously it's going to pale in comparison.
If you even give the talk a grade when compared to the rhetoric of candidate Trump, it's going to fall short.
But what I understand is, listen, I don't care how you have to package it.
I don't care.
Obviously, when you're giving a prime time address to the nation from the Oval Office, you're going to be on your best behavior and you're going to have your speech fine-tuned and it's not going to be inflammatory.
It's not going to be full of red meat like we liked from candidate Trump.
But at the end of the day, he still, this is what my takeaway is that were good.
He still, first of all, he gave the speech at all.
I think that was big.
The fact that he did it at all was big.
He repeatedly referred to them as what they are, as illegal aliens.
He doubled down on their criminality.
And I think in doing so, he really boxed himself in in a good way.
He has doubled down on this to the point now that he absolutely has to deliver a victory over Chuck and Nancy.
I think if he had just gone into the recess post-midterm elections before Christmas, he could have said, well, they beat us on this guys, but we're going to get them next time.
The government shutdown is still ongoing.
I think that's unique.
I think that's good.
But he didn't do the whole, we're going to get them next time.
He's digging in.
And, you know, of course, there were some silly aspects to it.
He said, you know, we need to secure the borders because they take jobs away from blacks and Hispanics.
He's not going to dare mention the name of the people who actually vote for him, the white people.
And of course, that speech should have ended with a declaration of emergency, a state of emergency, so he could have tried to fund it from the Pentagon.
But overall, I give it a B. That's what I told Richard, and I still stand by that.
Keith?
Well, he wouldn't have gone this far had it not been for Ann Coulter's article where she basically called him out and said, you know, it's time if you've got a hair on your posterior, it's time to come down and build the wall and stop pussyfooting, which apparently he took to heart.
He's got to do it because I'm focusing on what's happening with the opposition now.
I think it's very, very significant that Rod Rosenstein has announced his departure from the administration.
This is Mr. Untouchable.
Trump can fire the Attorney General of the United States, Jeff Sessions, but he can't fire his underling, Rod Rosenstein, the guy that appointed Bob Mueller and was quoted by the New York Times as saying that he was going to go into Trump's office wearing a wire, trying to get him to say something that would justify impeachment.
So if he's leaving, the rats leave a sinking ship, folks.
All hell is about to break loose against Trump.
Trump realizes it, so he's basically fired the first shot with the government shutdown.
And if you'll notice, the people that are being affected by the government shutdown are not typical Trump supporters.
He really doesn't have much to lose on this.
There are a few people that would be Trump supporters, but the vast majority of the federal employees were Democrats.
We're going to talk about that in the next segment, but just based off the rhetoric of the speech and what you heard, did it tickle your fancy?
Well, I'm like you.
I wish that he could be more candid and forthright, but unfortunately, in this politically correct world that we live in today, you can't.
But I read between the lines, and I think he's going in the right direction.
All right, we're going to take our first break for the night.
When we come back, the rest of the hour, pretty much on this.
Lacey Lynn in the second hour.
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Rich and Janinese Hamlin are going to wrap up part two.
We started it last week, part two of their series, of their trip to South Africa.
We're going to get a female perspective.
Janice will tell us what she thought later.
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Well, I'm multitasking here, folks.
I'm literally composing a tweet as I'm talking, as you can tell.
And that's what I'm talking about.
He can't think and talk.
He can't think one thing and talk another.
Okay, so we're back, and a big show tonight.
We're just getting started.
A lot this first hour on the Trump address.
Lacey Lynn in the second hour.
Then we've got the husband and wife duo, Rich and Janice Hamlin.
Now, you heard from Rich last week for the bulk of the third hour, and I thought that we left a little bit on the table.
And so we're bringing him back along with his wife to get a female's perspective on what it was like to be in South Africa and some of the things that she wanted to talk about that didn't overlap with some of the things we addressed last week.
So it's going to be another fun third hour with the Hamblins, and that's coming up tonight.
So back to the discussion this first hour about Trump's presidential address.
Yeah, I mean, we know what Trump really thinks.
He's called, we can't say it on the air, but we'll just call it scat hole countries.
And what makes these countries so bad?
Obviously, it's the people.
It's not the geography or the topography of these places.
And if those people come here, we become like them.
They do not become like us.
So I think Trump in his heart of heart knows this, Keith.
And this is what we're talking about in the break.
Yeah, it wasn't a red meat campaign rally speech.
It was an Oval Office address.
It takes a different tone, a different demeanor.
But there, if you can overlook the silliness about how we need to build a wall to protect the blacks and the Hispanics who are here, okay, discard all of that.
It's still getting us to where we want to go, which is a border security to stop the demographic replacement.
And so, but now, again, it's still all talk until something actually happens.
But I'll tell you this.
Even Brad Griffin, Brad Griffin has been Trump's most consistent and harsh critics.
And he thought that the, he wrote that he thought it was great.
Of course, you know, we still want to see action, and a federal judge could, of course, scuttle the whole thing.
As Elvis said, too much conversation, not enough action.
But we're beginning to see some action now.
And I applaud that.
And he knows in final analysis that the purpose of the border issue and immigration is to adulterate the American population with third worlders who will be natural-born Democrats.
The idea of smaller government just is a non-starter with them.
And as my English relatives say, does the pig make the stye or does the sty make the pig?
It's obvious that the pig makes the sty.
So consequently, you get third world.
Good analogy.
I like that, Keith.
Third worlders coming in to America are going to turn us into a third world nation.
It's unfortunate, but it's true.
And we've got to preserve America as the founding fathers envisioned it would be.
We can't present.
Let's be very, very specific about that.
They intended it to be a country that was governed and populated by their kinsmen, by Europeans.
Which is why they restricted citizenship to free white men, landowners.
We've gotten away from that.
Yeah, Dick, they certainly did see the title.
All that neocon chatter about a proposition nation and whatnot, that was not on the minds of the founding fathers.
If you want to find out what was on the mind of the Founding Fathers, reference Federalist Paper No. 2 by John Jay, the Band of Brothers Federalist paper.
Well, I mean, some of the earliest documents said citizens could only be free white men.
They certainly didn't envision the 1965 Immigration Act.
Right.
Well, see, that was just part of the left-wing transformation.
It came on the heels of the 65 Voting Rights Act and the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
They're all part of the same package.
And we've got to get people to realize that everything the left has done has had the same basic endgame goal, which is the destruction of traditional America.
So we've got to fight every left-wing cause.
You cannot give a pass to the civil rights movement.
You can't give a pass to voting rights and things like this.
You can't give a pass to the drug culture, the cultural revolution, all of these other things that we've had.
You know, the feminism.
Everything works together for the destruction of the traditional order.
And we've got to fight back now.
It's now or never, as Elvis said.
Getting back to Elvis.
Yeah.
Well, okay, here's things I do think, though, Keith, if Trump continues to stay this charted course, things could get very interesting in America very quickly.
And I'm talking about this.
They're going to get that way anyway.
They're going to bring the fight to him.
So he may as well bring the fight to them.
Believe me, the impeachment thing is right around the corner.
Okay, that's one thing.
And good on you for mentioning that.
That's not even what I had in mind.
But as I said before, he cannot cave this time.
He has doubled down, and now I believe he has perched himself upon the hill where he will either die or emerge a victorious legend.
And because of the shutdown, listen, this is NBC News.
There was a lot of articles this week talking about how horrible this government shutdown was.
And they listed the reasons.
And I was like, my God, pour it on us.
Give us more shutdown.
Make it last longer.
This is NBC News, Keith.
Listen to this.
The country would face an economic hellscape, NBC writes, if the government shutdown lasts months longer, as the president suggests it might.
The doomsday scenario is this.
If the worst were to happen, experts say the devastating impact would be widespread.
38 million Americans would lose their food stamps.
6 million would face an uncertain timetable for collecting tax refunds.
Well, I've never gotten a tax refund, so that doesn't affect me.
2 million would be without rental assistance.
So you're talking about the layabouts.
You're talking about the people, you know, yes, I know there are some poor whites on food stamps who deserve it, who have paid in and for whatever reason can't find work.
I mean, not all 38 million are dregs and bums, but for the most part, you're talking about the Democratic base are going to be getting down.
The Democratic base is going to be negatively impacted.
That's what I was saying before.
This is impacting negatively the Democratic base.
So basically, what does Trump have to fear?
These people were not going to vote for him or support him under any circumstances.
So this is probably the least painful thing he could do to his base to get some action from the other side.
And believe me, they are, you know, they're squealing.
You know, if you, you know, if you're not catching flak, you're not over the target.
He's obviously over the target this time because he is catching the flak.
Well, listen to this.
So again, they said this is the immediate in the worst impacts of the financial shutdown that they can come up with.
38 million people lose their food stamps.
6 million don't get their rent paid for free.
Or rather, 2 million don't get their rent paid.
800,000 federal employees aren't getting paid.
I swear to God, Keith, they illustrated this by having an IRS agent come on talking about how they were going to get paid.
I mean, so you're talking about the dregs.
Our enemies are the people.
And it is said the federal court system is going to slow to a crawl.
Well, by God, we need to stop it entirely because when's the last time a good ruling came out of a federal court that benefited us?
Well, they're few and far between, that's for sure.
But this is basically you're starving the beast, the beast that is destroying traditional America.
And I say, right on, folks.
That's exactly what we need to do.
We need more cowbell on this one.
Well, I mean, like I said, I mean, there are some whites that are on some of these, that are getting some of these subsidies, and I do feel for them.
But, you know, as I said before, what it's going to take for our people to wake up is a little more suffering and a little more discomfort.
If you take away those comforts and the security, white men need to realize the true nature of the way things are going, and they need to get up and they need to get involved.
Fewer government employees is a good thing in my education.
Well, this is the focal point of the presidency.
It has all come into sharp focus right now.
And I mean, this is it.
And he has the chance to become a legend here.
He's got to start swinging back because, believe me, all hell is about to break loose on his front.
So he needs to rather.
See, the problem with traditional conservatism is that they're always in a defensive posture.
They're never recapturing lost ground.
If he has this work out well for him, then he will be emboldened to take more offensive actions against liberalism.
And I say, go for it.
I don't know why he didn't declare the state of emergency in that address.
I mean, it seemed as though if you were going to warrant the address, it needed to include the state of emergency, contain that at the end.
But for whatever reason, he didn't.
But it's still overall, I think, served him well.
We'll be back.
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Before we continue our discussion on Trump's presidential address, its ramifications, I'm going to quickly go to a note that we received in the mail this week from a listener in California.
As I often joke about correspondence from California, we always like to get letters from our international listeners.
Behind enemy lines.
Greetings, James.
A much deserved contribution enclosed.
A little story.
Back when I was in high school, growing up in the suburbs of Los Angeles, believe it or not, it was run by a mayor who was a white conservative Democrat.
During that time, I sent a small contribution to someone running for the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
That person later went on to become rich, famous, and politically powerful.
So if you and Keith are ever having a bad day, if you might be feeling tired or a little bit down and you need an ego boost, a quick pick-me-up.
Just remind yourselves that you are following in the proud footsteps of Diane Feinstein.
Again, thank you for your heroic work saving and renewing our people.
That comes from Tom in California.
So thank you, Tom.
We do appreciate it.
One thing you got to remember when we're talking about Trump is that ultimately, our race, our cause, where we need to go, what we need to be is bigger than Trump or any American president.
Now, we will gladly take any assistance that Trump can offer us.
But ultimately, we are the ones that are going to have to chart our path forward.
And that's something that we need to remember.
That's why I can look at Trump relatively dispassionately, never get too high or too low about what he's doing.
I never get too up or too down.
I'll praise him when he deserves praise, and I'll criticize him when he deserves criticism.
But ultimately, we are beyond Trump.
I mean, we are so much bigger than Trump in terms of our people.
And so Trump will be there for two more years or six more years.
One way or another, we are going to have to be responsible for what happens.
But that doesn't mean that we won't, again, gladly accept what Trump can offer.
Now, Keith, we were talking in the break about why he didn't declare a state of emergency, and you had some, it's a pretty interesting take on it.
My take is that if he had done that, then he would have moved his chess piece prematurely.
some no-name federal district judge from Hawaii or California would issue an injunction and he'd be back on his heels playing defense again.
Instead, by keeping the pressure on, keeping the faucet turned off money-wise for the Democratic base, he is exuding power to people and he needs to do that.
On the other hand, I'm hopeful that we're seeing a sea change in Trump.
He's got to get these swamp creatures, these Acela Carters and left coast people out of his administration, pump them out, replace them with red state flyover American, flyover country Americans.
If the worst thing that could happen is that you get some active agents of evildoing, the swamp creatures out, and put a do-nothing person in.
Nothing is better than what we're getting right now.
On the other hand, some people are going to rise to the occasion and be able to really advance the ball for our agenda, the agenda for our people, the agenda for conservatives.
And I think that he's finally beginning to understand that, you know, there's nothing he can do to curry favor from his enemies.
His enemies are staunch.
They're adamant.
They're coming after him.
They won't be satisfied until he's buried.
And he needs to realize that, and he needs to come out swinging.
He needs to start listening to Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter and stop listening to Jared and Ibanka.
It's interesting you mentioned Pat Buchanan.
Pat Buchanan's latest column is literally titled, Trump Must Declare an Emergency.
So you are at odds with our good friend Pat on this one.
Pat writes, though, in the long run, history will validate Donald Trump's stand on a border wall to defend the sovereignty and security of the United States.
Why?
Because mass migration from the global south, not climate change, is the real existential crisis of the West.
The American people know this, and even the elites sense it.
Pat continues.
Think not?
Check out the leading liberal newspapers this week.
And Pat goes on to write that overwhelmingly all of the articles are about the border and border security.
Trump's battle with Nancy Pelosi and Schmuck Schumer.
Consider, Pat continues, in 1992, this writer's presidential campaign had to fight to even have the word structures on the border included in the GOP platform call.
Now, the whole Western world is worried about its borders as issues of immigration and identity convulse almost every country.
Looking ahead, does anyone think Pelosi's position that a wall is immoral will not be regarded as absurd?
America's southern border is eventually going to be militarized.
This is Pat Buchanan talking and talking quite positively, predicting a positive future, that America's border will be militarized and defended, or the United States, as we know it, will cease to exist, and Americans will not go gently into that good night.
Pat is echoing what I have said on this show for many years, and that is that I just think we are going to turn this around.
I've always been a happy warrior and an optimist, and I think it's going to go our way in the end.
Well, think of it this way, though, in regard to what I said.
The more pressure you can inflict, the more pain you can inflict on our enemies, the more likely you are to get them to cave.
I would love to see Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer being besieged by squadrons of federal workers saying, just let him build the damn wall.
You know, let's just get the dumb thing done and get our money flowing back here because I'm hungry.
I've got to do this.
That type of discomfiture for the Democratic leadership is going to pay some dividends, I think.
Well, I tell you what, whoever loses this is going to go back with their tail tucked between their legs to their base.
It is going to be a pretty resounding defeat for whoever cries uncle first on this one.
And you're saying he doesn't want to declare the state of emergency and run the risk of a judge overturning it, which certainly happened.
Pat's saying he needs to go ahead and do it.
But Pat ends this column quite powerfully.
This is what Pat Buchanan says.
Trump should declare a national emergency, shift funds out of the Pentagon, build his wall, open the government and charge the Democrats with finding excuses not to secure the border because they have a demographic and ideological interest in changing the face of the nation.
This is what Pat talks about race again, as he has done on this show with me.
For the larger share of the U.S. population that requires welfare, the greater the need for more social workers, the more voters there will be to further the growth of the liberal welfare state.
The more multiracial, multi-ethnic, multicultural, multilingual America becomes, the less it looks like the America of our fathers, the more dependably democratic it will become.
The Democratic Party is hostile to white men.
This is Pat Buchanan writing this week.
Because the smaller the share of the U.S. population the white men become, the sooner the Democrats inherit the national estate.
All it gets down to race.
The only way to greater quote-unquote diversity, and he put the word diversity in quotations in his article, is to increase the number of women, African Americans, Asians, and Hispanics, and thereby reduce the number of white men.
Well, here's what's going to happen.
He's got to, if he does declare a state of emergency, he's got to be ready, willing, and able to take the next step, which is the Andrew Jackson step.
When Judge Aloha, or whoever it is over in Hawaii or in, you know, or some, you know, some ding-dong in California issues an injunction, he needs to shoot back at him.
He said, well, Judge Aloha has made his order.
Now let him enforce it.
Well, I think that's what the state of Tennessee is doing, Damon.
According to Jared last week on the show.
So, yes, that can still be done.
But you know what, Keith?
I think things are turning.
I think we're seeing things turn.
Now, when it was turning in the 50s and 60s, I mean, obviously you had a backlash and a righteous backlash from the good guys, our guys, the white Southerners.
And I think, again, when you look back on how radically America was changed in the 50s and 60s, you have to remark at how peaceful it was relatively done.
I mean, the surprise.
We're peaceful people and we respect authority.
Our enemies don't.
And believe me, they're going to squeal like a stuck pig when they start to feel discomfiture.
Well, that's what I'm talking about.
I mean, everybody can point to the Birmingham church bombings in a couple of outlier type of scenarios.
But overall, it was a remarkably peaceful transition when you're talking about such a radical change in short order.
But now we're seeing it change again, and I think it is beginning to change again.
And Pat used the word convulsions, and these nations are beginning to convulse.
But I don't know how peaceful the left will give it up once the pendulum starts to swing back our way.
And I believe that, again, Pat wrote in 1992, they wouldn't even put in the GOP platform that we need structures to secure the border.
Now the debate is whether or not we're going to get an ironclad wall, an impenetrable wall.
So that's progress.
Well, like I said, WWJD, what would the Jews do?
Build up a wall just like they have between on the West Bank to protect the Israelis.
And if that happens, if we get that, we're going to be safe and secure.
Trump does need to mention Israel more and praise the Jews more on their border security.
But we know that as Joe Biden found out, you can even be anti-Semitic when you're praising the Jews if you're shining a light on the things.
They do not like to be mentioned.
They want to be the invisible men and women of the American world.
You know, Biden talked about how great it was that the Jews ran Hollywood.
That was a no-no.
Yeah, hell came down on him for that.
But yes, I mean, but Trump was right.
And he did mention it to Schumer and Pelosi, Nancy, and Chuck recently that, hey, you know, they were saying how silly it is to have a wall and how stupid and counterproductive.
He said, hey, Israel has a wall.
And that's shut him up real quick.
You're right.
Yeah, the silence was deafening after that.
All right.
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Well, folks, like everyone else, we will wait and see what Trump does.
What else can we do?
And we will continue to break it down for you with our unique flare and panache here on TPC and break it down with you in a way that certainly nobody else in the establishment press, the mainstream press here on AM Radio would do.
But there is one thing I want to get into now, a bit of a transition before we get to our guests this evening.
I want to thank our friend Buddy in Arkansas for reminding me of an anniversary.
It is a grim anniversary, but it is one that should be remembered, lest we forget that January the 6th, just a few days ago, marked the 12th anniversary of the brutal black-on-white hate crime, double rape and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom in Knoxville, Tennessee.
And what has happened to those perpetrators, by the way?
Well, they're in jail still.
It was five blacks that killed these two young college sweethearts, and they killed them in the most, you couldn't even imagine this, this sort of a death, but they bound, gagged, and blindfolded the young man and repeatedly sodomized him, making his girlfriend watch.
After several hours, they shot his head, dragged him to nearby railroad tracks, and shot him twice more.
They then poured gasoline on his body, set him on fire, and returned to the house.
Over the next few days, they tortured the young woman, Channon, binding her, beating her repeatedly, and raping her repeatedly in every imaginable way.
Her genital injuries were so severe that medical examiners believe she was penetrated with an object, perhaps a chair leg.
They forced her to drink household cleaning products, apparently trying to destroy DNA evidence.
After days of torture, they covered her head with a trash bag and stuffed her still alive into a garbage can where she slowly died of suffocation while the perpetrators were having breakfast just a few feet from her.
So this event, now known as the Knoxville Horror, was initially blacked out by the media.
But I had the opportunity to appear on CNN and debate a member, a spokesman from the NAACP about this particular crime.
And we'll revisit that now.
And joining me now to talk about this, the Reverend Ezra Mays, president of the Knoxville chapter of the NAACP.
Thanks for being with us tonight.
Also, James Edwards, who hosts the conservative radio talk show, The Political Cesspool, and thanks to you as well for being with us.
How's it going, Karen?
Thank you for having me.
But James, James, I just want to ask you about the Knox County District Attorney General's office, the special counsel saying there's nothing whatsoever that indicates any hate crime.
He also goes on to say there are things that really coincidentally prove just the opposite.
So why has this case become a rallying cry among the white supremacists, fringe groups, and even conservative columnists online?
Well, I can't necessarily speak for people that I don't have any association with, but I'll tell you this.
I believe that probably the government officials in Knoxville are concerned with being labeled white supremacists for taking a conservative point of view on this issue.
They probably don't want to defy the false gods of political correctness.
What you have here, Karen, is a horribly wicked crime in which two young college students were carjacked, held captive, and raped before being murdered.
Now, if that isn't a hate crime, then I don't know.
I don't know what is.
If found guilty, these perpetrators should face Swift justice and the firing squad would be too lenient for them.
But I'll promise you this.
Had the roles been reversed and had the victims been black and the murderers white, this would have been the biggest news story in America on every nightly newscast back in February when this originally occurred.
Reverend Mays, do you agree with that that if this had been reversed racially, we would have heard much more about it?
I beg to differ.
I believe that had it been reversed racially, you would not have heard anything about it.
I believe that this has received some national attention.
And I do not believe that it was a race crime.
I believe that it was a crime that was committed.
I am not one to judge.
I cannot say guilty or not guilty.
I do say that we do feel for the families of those who have lost loved ones, and you cannot be human and not feel sympathetic for those who have lost loved ones.
I do not agree with the crime, nor do I believe that it was a hate crime.
Karen, I believe there's not a doubt in anyone's mind in America that if the races in this instance had been reversed, that the NAACP would have been howling that this would have been classified as a hate crime.
The NAACP never believes that brutal acts of violence committed by blacks against whites is motivated by racial hatred.
And certainly, you know, the NAACP couldn't provide America tonight with an equivalent random act of violence committed by blacks against other blacks that can compare to this massacre.
All right, well, listen, Reverend Mays, you were at this rally in Knoxville over the weekend.
Apparently, some whites were holding up signs saying things like diversity equals death.
Aryan groups online have been calling it a rally against genocide.
Were you surprised to see, and there are some of the pictures, just how much vitriol there was when it comes to this story?
I'm sorry, repeat that question, please.
Were you surprised to see, if you look at the rally, you were there, you see the anger, I mean, the palpable anger and tension there.
Were you surprised to see this?
I was not surprised to see the anger and tension.
I was surprised to see the Knoxie group come to town and to protest.
But I was not surprised to see the anger and the tension.
I was very angry about the crime that had taken place.
I was not angry because it was a racial crime.
Nevertheless, I was angry because two young people had been murdered, and that should make anyone angry.
So I was not surprised by the anger.
I was surprised by the racial splurs that took place during the protest.
Everybody in the city clearly states it was not a racial crime.
It is people outside of Cincinnati who are trying to make this a racial crime.
I'm sorry, we're out of time, but I wish I could let you have another word at it, James, but we are out of time.
Thanks so much for both of you for your points of view, Reverend Ezra Mays as well as James Edwards.
All right.
Well, again, I want to thank Buddy in Arkansas for reminding me of this because if we don't remember, if we don't remember something like this, nobody will, not in the media.
And it's important, and of course, I certainly remember that night.
That was back in 2007.
Going on CNN and facing off with yet another one of these ubiquitous reverends of the NAACP.
But your response to, well, Keith, your commentary on the whole situation and your response to that particular exchange.
Well, look, if this had just been another crime, you wouldn't have had repeated rapes.
You wouldn't have had stabbings.
You wouldn't have had the use of furniture to rape the woman with.
You wouldn't have had her drinking cleaning fluids and stuff like this.
If that doesn't connote hatred, what does?
I mean, it certainly wasn't your run-of-the-mill robbery murder.
Right, that's it.
Yeah, this was not a stray bullet that killed these people.
This was purposeful torture over periods of time, over a long period of time, which indicates depravity on the part of the criminals.
And that's a depravity that is 99 times out of 100 driven by hatred.
So if that's not a hate crime, that just shows you that hate crimes are exactly what conservatives, true conservatives, said they were when they passed the hate crime law.
It is to be used exclusively for black victims against white perpetrators.
And if they can't find enough white perpetrators, they will invent them, as they did in Charlottesville, James Field and whatnot.
What they do in hate crime litigation is it allows the prosecutor to mention things that would otherwise be prohibited.
They would be handled by a motion in limity and excluded from the presentation of the prosecution, such as a person's political affiliations, their race, and things like this.
That's why the left did this.
It is a way to try to punish people who have heterodox ideas, people that are not following the politically correct narrative.
And because of that, this is why the left is like the devil.
They never sleep and they're never discouraged.
The Federal Hate Crimes Law Act was brought before Congress 43 times and defeated 43 times.
But then, lo and behold, they got it passed on the 44th try.
Can you imagine any group of Washington conservatives or so-called conservatives having that type of staying power and going after their goal like that?
The left, but we've got to match the left not only in terms of money and in terms of activity, but in terms of zeal.
They're the ones that got this passed.
And now you see what happens.
Something like that atrocity, the Knoxville horror, gets swept under the rug.
And meanwhile, James Alton Fields, who was scared to death running for his life, becomes the great exemplar or avatar of being a hate criminal.
See, this is absurdity.
And it's time that America woke up, smelled the coffee, realized that all of these left-wing projects that are supposed to be pro-black, pro-feminist, pro-homosexual, they're all the same thing, anti-white.
Quick question, Keith.
It's a rhetorical question.
Five white men, hypothetically, and again, when it comes to interracial rape, well, the numbers of black on white rape are through the roof, but the other one is so statistically small it doesn't even register.
Yeah, white on black rapes are less than 10, which means that less than 10 won't register on the U.S. Justice Department's statistically zero.
On the other hand, it's like $100 a month.
Otherwise, black on white.
So and because of that, I say hypothetically.
Hypothetically, five white men do the exact thing that the black gang did to Channon and Christopher.
Five white men do that to two black-college sweethearts.
You think it'd be the hate crime?
Oh, man.
I tell you what, it would be an excuse to tear down every Confederate statue in the world, every statue of every white person in America.
It would be, you know, they would be feeding a howling mob, and they would be trying to whip them up.
See, this is what happens.
The left and the people running the left, Jewish power and influence, use blacks and other people as foot soldiers.
As I've said many times before, in all of these left-wing movements, the foot soldiers might be black, brown, yellow, feminists, homosexuals, but the generals are all Jewish.
All right.
Keith, thank you for your service tonight.
Once again, in the trenches with yours truly, Keith Alexander.
We'll back with a second hour.
Lacey Lynn, our guest, then the Hamblins, Rich and Janice in the third hour from South Africa.