Oct. 20, 2018 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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And here to guide you through the murky waters of the political test pool is your host, James Edwards.
Yesterday, yesterday.
Yesterday.
All right.
Well, you know, we are reflective this time of year.
Next week will mark the 14th anniversary of the founding of this radio program.
And there's a lot of yesterdays in the last 14 years.
And one of the guys that's been there for the majority of them has been Richard Spencer.
We just had a great interview with Paul Nalen.
Now, the hits just keep on coming tonight with Richard Spencer, a man that I have known and been friends with for over a decade at least.
I mean, maybe even longer than that.
He doesn't need an introduction, but we'll give it anyway because we're professionals here.
Richard B. Spencer is president and creative director of the National Policy Institute.
He's also the founder and editor of Radix Journal and alt-right.com and is widely credited for coining the term alt-right.
Richard holds a Bachelor of Arts from the University of Virginia and a Master of Arts from the University of Chicago.
He was a doctoral student at Duke University before becoming a journalist.
And Richard and I are going to have a free willing discussion over the course of the next hour.
I don't know what we're going to be talking about, but we'll find out together over the course of the next 60 minutes.
Richard, how are you?
I'm doing quite well.
How about you, Jay?
I'm doing good.
It's been a couple of months since you've been with us last.
And so I got to do the last time.
Well, I do.
I actually, I looked it up.
Oh, you do.
Okay.
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you when it was.
But first, I've been sitting on this little nugget for months, and there was never really an appropriate time to bring again.
I guess I could have mentioned it at any time.
But since you went to Duke, I have to make mention, did you know that Duke was founded by a Confederate veteran?
I never read anything about that.
I did know that.
I guess I should know that you would know that.
I remember when I was there, there was a lot of pay made over the fact that the Duke Chapel, which is this, I mean, it's kind of funny because it's Presbyterian Gothic, I guess you could say.
It was a southern person LARPing as a medievalist or something.
But it's very interesting.
I think actually Duke himself wanted to give a million dollars to Princeton, and he wanted to rename the university Duke, and they didn't want it.
So he decided to build his own Princeton.
But yeah, I did know that.
But actually, when I was there, they were making a lot of pay over the fact that a black man was actually the architect of the Duke Chapel.
And they showed this portrait of the architect.
And I think I might actually have more African ancestry than this.
There's a lot of that going around lately, apparently.
But he wasn't even the real architect.
I mean, he might have very well made a contribution.
Again, it's just these little things like that.
They're little things.
They're little anecdotes.
They're little lies, little pretty lies, little stories.
But it's obviously all part of the agenda to demoralize us.
Well, George Washington Duke, for anybody that's curious, his name was George Washington Duke.
He was known as Washington Duke.
He was 45 years old when he enlisted in the Confederate Navy.
Now, that's a man.
Wow.
And he fought in the war and he was captured and he was imprisoned by the Union forces.
And after the war was over, he was released and he walked 200 miles back home and I guess started Duke University.
But anyway, it's a pretty fascinating story.
He was actually a slave owner, too, if you can believe it.
He paid $601 for a slave named Caroline.
And I guess $602 was too much, but $600 didn't quite cover it.
But anyway, so that's interesting.
But your last appearance, Richard, was, in fact, the very first show of the year.
So we have.
It's been a great year of broadcasting.
And in some ways, I think it's been our best year of broadcasting.
But your last appearance was Saturday, January 6th.
So what we did that night was we had a collection of personalities on just to give us predictions for the newest current year.
And we had you.
You were the first one.
Then we had Kyle Bristow in order.
Kyle Bristow, Henrik Palmgren, Jared Taylor, Michael Hill, Patrick Casey, Sam Dixon, and David Duke.
That was our extravaganza, the first night of the year.
Needless to say, I don't remember what everybody predicted that particular evening, but I can say with certainty that not all of it has come true.
So how would you assess 2018?
Well, I don't know where to go because we're about to learn a lot more.
I think that the Republicans are going to most likely get thanked in the midterms.
I did predict that.
I predicted that on my podcast.
I actually thought that they were going to lose the Senate.
I think now something different is going to happen.
Much like the Republicans in the presidential election do better with the Electoral College because of its non-democratic nature in many ways.
It gives stronger representation to less populated states.
And the Senate was designed in that same way.
I think there's going to be a kind of decoupling of the House and Senate, which is very rare.
Over the course of the six decades of Democratic dominance in the Senate, the margins were much larger than they are now.
And there were almost never a split Congress.
So I think we're going to see something like that.
I think we very well might see impeachment or at least serious attempts at impeachment.
And I think that that will fail in the Senate because there will not be this large majority to convict him and remove him from office.
And I think there is going to be this is what is going to happen with the Trump agenda.
That window of Republican control with Trump in the White House and the base really excited about things like immigration and the wall and all sorts of things.
That window is closing pretty quickly.
So that is my rational assessment of things.
You and I think we're kind of seeing the end of something.
You and I were texting a couple of hours ago before the show, and you made mention of the fact that you wanted to cover some of these predictions for the midterms.
And of course, it's timely, it's appropriate.
Kevin McDonald was on the show a week or two ago.
Maybe it was last week.
It all blurs.
But he was a little more hopeful.
But you think that the Republicans are going to get waxed?
Do you think it's because the ongoing demographic onslaught has not been curtailed?
Or do you think it's just because it's a trend that the party in power loses power in the midterms?
Yeah, I mean, there are some structural reasons why I think it will happen.
But yes, I mean, obviously, this is we are going to eventually see a demographic turning where it's going to be very difficult for Republicans to maintain this majority.
I mean, since 1994, there's been a little bit of a red period.
I mean, there is a long blue period in Congress where Congress was effectively a one-party body from, you know, the mid-1930s to the 1990s.
It's remarkable.
But there has been a kind of red period.
Hold on right there, Richard.
Sorry, Richard, these commercial breaks are a cruel master, but we got to take a quick time out.
We'll be back with my friend in your TPC returns.
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It's the Halloween season.
I think growing up, Halloween was always my favorite holiday.
Perhaps there was something about Halloween that spoke to my ancestral memory when we came from those windstrip, those windswept islands of Northern Europe and our ancestors celebrated Salen.
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Let me think of some funny response to that.
I was thinking she recalls her years in the TP and so on.
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Oh, there he is.
Okay.
Are you there?
Yeah, here.
Let me get back on.
Sorry, my Bluetooth just went out.
I was talking to the phone.
Yeah, in terms of the midterms, I mean, I think it's worth pointing out that the Republicans are not running on tax cuts.
The Republicans are actually running on white national.
If you listen to what they say and not look at what they do, you know, Lauren, what is her name?
Lauren Ingram.
Laura Ingram on Fox News.
She basically chanted, you will not replace us after, you know, condemning Charlottesville, pretending that she had never heard of me and then condemning me, condemning the Proud Boys, condemning all these people.
She basically, you know, tells her viewers that the Democrats are going to replace them.
This is a woman, a single, you know, unmarried woman who has adopted Guatemalan children, by the way.
Apparently, she is, you know, literally replacing her own.
She must be a Southern Baptist.
I don't know what she is.
I don't imagine she's a high church Protestant of some kind.
But anyway, yeah, they're running on effectively white nationalism.
They're running on this, on implicitly saying we're the white people's party, which is what they've been doing for a long time.
Which is what they are, in fact.
I mean, why be embarrassed of it?
They are in terms of voting, but in terms of what they actually believe and what they're going to do, they're simply not.
And I'm rather, I've seen all this before in my relatively short life, and I'm rather tired of it.
When I see people getting excited about these Republicans, it's going to be different this time.
It's new.
It's fun.
I've just seen this so many times.
And the implicit white racialist rhetoric is not new.
They have been engaging.
As the left correctly points out, the Republicans have been engaging in race baiting for decades.
It's been the carrot, the proverbial carrot ahead of the cart.
There's no doubt about that.
But I will tell you, Trump's biggest folly thus far is not making any movement on the wall.
He could have shut down the government by hook or crook, no matter what it took.
He should have done something to make further movement on the wall.
And all of these Christian pastors who say their biggest issue is pro-life while simultaneously welcoming the world, saying, you know, we're all God's children.
Everybody's welcome and everybody can be an American if they come here and they take some oath.
If you care about the right to life, if you care about any of these issues, your first and foremost priority ought to be securing the border, because let me tell you something, these third world non-whites that are pouring in here, they're not going to vote Republican.
And I can guarantee you that the Democrats are not going to care for your pro-life issues or any other issue that is of importance to the traditional Republican base.
So it all, everything.
We all know, Richard, I mean, this is cliché now, but demographics is destiny.
It all stems from securing the border.
Everything else that the Republican base wants is going to be won or lost on the immigration issue.
And it may have already been lost because we've, you know, he won Michigan by 10,000 votes.
Wisconsin, Florida were equally close.
It may have already tipped over the course of the last two years.
How many people have, and I don't mean to say this to seem morbid, but how many of those voters have literally died?
That's right, because the base, the white base of the Republican Party is an older base.
Sure.
Yeah.
And then how many of them have been literally replaced, like in the sense of died and then replaced with a new immigrant who's come in?
I mean, yeah, I mean, this is whether he can pull that trick again is quite debatable.
I mean, the answer, you know, from a lot of people is, you know, things are going to continue to become more polarized and racialized, and whites are going to continue to vote at higher rates than the Republican Party.
We didn't quite see that.
I mean, the 59, or it's around 58 to 50 to 60 percent of whites who will vote Republican, that hasn't fundamentally changed.
I mean, Donald Trump didn't really win many more whites than Mitt Romney did.
He kind of won different whites in different places, and he had this rather miraculous, you know, victory.
I mean, it was kind of like taking a big swing with the baseball bat with your eyes closed and hitting a homework.
It happens, you know, but this was very difficult.
And as I mentioned before, during the domination of Congress by the Democrats for 60 years, when the Democratic Party was very different, when I guess they were the real racist in a way, but they had very large margins.
They dominated Congress and basically implemented their will.
This period of Republican dominance, this red period beginning in 1994, has been tenuous at best.
It has been, you know, the Congress has been split multiple times.
The Democrats have taken it back.
They had it for the first two years of Brahmas or kind of had it for the first two years of Obama's term.
I mean, it is just, they have not been a dominant party.
And I think what this spells, at least for the foreseeable future, is some kind of stagnation, increased polarization, but we're not going to ultimately win that polarization game.
So I don't know.
I mean, I think there is going to be a breaking point.
I'm talking about this.
I've actually, with a couple of other writers, we've produced a report on the midterms, which will be ready, at the very least, a week before the midterm.
So this is something I'm thinking about and writing about, but it's just a very serious issue.
But there's going to have to be something new.
All of this stuff that has been done in the past, the populism, the, you know, getting whites excited about these kind of cultural issues and Fox news.
Like, this is not new.
They have to actually do something for white people.
They have to actually do something.
And sealing up the border and putting some turrets on it would be a start.
It would be a start, but even that.
And again, the degree to which we would really be able to, you know, sneak into the Republican Party and, you know, take it over and change it, I think is rather dubious.
First off, this has been tried.
I mean, I noticed there was actually another person who was basically connected with that, as an older person, connected with the National Policy Institute, actually before I was around, who was recently, you know, targeted and kicked out of the Florida Republican Party.
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Little Red Riding Hood, i'd like to hold you if I could, but you might think i'm a big bad wolf so I won't.
But a big heart, I have better to love you with little Red Riding Hood.
Even bad wolves can be good.
Try to keep satisfied, just to walk close by your side.
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I do like that song and I I think the wolf got a bad rap.
I can relate to the wolf.
What the wolf do?
He met with Little Red Riding Hood and he took her home and he ate her.
We need more men like that.
That's the kind of man I can relate to, a man who takes what he wants and a man who fights for what he believes in.
And I think Richard, that the biggest problem we've got and I hear all of the people complaining, quite rightly, it's not uh unsubstantiated, but quite rightly, at these other groups that that are out to get us.
But what are they doing?
They are standing, they're doing what's best by them.
I think that the blame for where we are now it can be placed solely at the feet of white men.
You see, white men now.
They won't approach a girl, they won't fight for anything, they just roll over and get Plowed.
The problem, the beginning and the end is with white men.
And for all of these people, you know, you've got these white men complaining about feminism.
Feminism hasn't been good for men, but it hasn't been good for women either.
I always reference the Yaqui quote: feminism robbed women of their natural dignity, the dignity of their sex, and turned them into inferior men.
That's true.
But the solution is a strong man.
We need more strong men.
And we'll get back into the midterms, but would you agree with that, Richard, that the problem has been go?
Well, I would agree with it on two levels.
One of them is quite immediate, and then the other is much more historical.
I have to be honest.
And I'm talking more about the alt-right here.
I might not be talking about your radio audience, which is probably a little bit different.
There's a lot of crossover.
I think there's a problem with weak men in our movement, to be honest.
And I mean it very seriously.
I'm just looking at them.
A lot of younger people who are smallish, short, they are into video games and basically living a kind of simulated reality online.
I think a lot of their incels, I mean, they're involuntary celibate.
They can't get girls because they're not manly enough and tough enough.
Because at the end of the day, despite all this feminism and me too, I hate to break the news to you guys, but any woman will melt when she meets an alpha.
That is 100% correct.
That is indisputable.
Yes.
Even the women who think that they're feminists, by the way.
Oh, yeah, they especially though.
But they're not going to melt for an incel nerd, I guess.
But it's like we can't really build a movement going forward on the basis of nerds.
And I do think that that was a fundamental flaw in our movement, the incels.
And they are genuinely misogynist.
I mean, I would say that they genuinely hate women.
They cannot get women.
They don't understand women.
They've never been in a romantic relationship.
They've never been in even a relationship of like, I'm going to, I've seen this girl at a bar and I'm going to go approach her.
Or I saw this girl at church and I'm going to go say hi.
You have to have a different technique at church and at a bar, of course.
But you know, not necessarily.
They've never done this.
They've, you know, there's the chase.
And that's what it's, you know, some people forget this as well.
That's what it's really all about.
It is obviously about, you know, the sex or certainly ultimately achieving reproduction.
It's the most natural thing in the world.
But that's the thing.
That idea of like, I'm going to convince you.
I'm going to make you want me.
I'm going to win.
I love the chase.
I love the women.
I love women.
I'm married now, obviously.
I have had good fortunes with women.
I remember in the eighth grade, the eighth grade dance didn't go so well for me.
But I learned that night to not ask permission.
And so it's been good for me going forward ever since eighth grade.
It's been a fantastic experience.
But this is the thing.
It's people that complain about women.
You just don't know.
If you can't take a woman, if you can't defend yourself, if you can't go out and wage battle, this is our people.
Our people are conquerors.
Our people are destroyers.
Our people are the folks who wanted to sail beyond the horizon and scale the highest peak.
And we've lost so much of that.
So I blame, forget other racial groups, forget women.
Blame for where we are right now as a race is at the feet of white men.
And we're the only people who matter in world history.
I mean, I said this.
It was one of my more outlandish statements.
And I've said some things that are pretty outlandish.
But I mean, we are the embodiment of world history itself.
We matter.
And if we want to think about the Jewish question, I mean, the Jews aren't a race in the way that we are.
They're a kind of head without a body.
They're a cognitive, moralizing, intellectual people that operate on the basis of text and morality and theory and so on.
We are a full race in the sense that we can do that too.
We can do that better than they can.
I mean, our myths are better than Jewish myths.
Our philosophy makes their philosophy seem like autistic screeching.
Needless to say, our art is of a higher order.
I mean, that's, I hate to even make the comparison because it's so cruel.
But it's, you know, they exist in that race.
But in some ways, these two people, like no one else matters.
Like, even the Chinese could not have really done anything in world history.
They could have remained totally primitive and world history would still be the same.
I mean, world history is the white race.
That's right.
And so only we matter.
So this is this kind of like psychological hurdle we have to get over.
Everyone talks about demographics.
I almost wanted to jump in and say, oh, demographics are destiny.
Oh, really?
Were my ancestors who ruled over a billion people in Asia, were they affected by demographic questions?
They're like, good Lord, we won't be able to get Republicans elected next year.
I guess you could say cucks.
Cucks are ruled by demographics.
We rule other people.
That is who we are.
And if you cannot accept that in your heart, then you should not be taking part in this movement.
Now, that doesn't mean that, you know, I get that there's a little bit of a LARPiness to what I'm saying.
Oh, you know, we want to all put on Viking helmets and, you know, start blasting riot of the Valkyries.
And, you know, I agree.
There's some LARPiness in what I'm saying.
But we're not just going to go out there and start conquering, hitting people over the head.
But this is who we are.
We're going to have to conquer things in our daily lives.
And we have to have that spirit that's going to be transformed and you could say sublimated into other ways, into writing, into politics, into art, and so on.
But that is who we are at the most level.
Let me ask you this before we run into the next break because it's coming quickly and we only have one more segment with you.
I tell you, with both of y'all tonight, it's going by way, way, way too fast.
Can whites refine, can we find again that dominant spirit?
I know that our pathological altruism has been manipulated and now it's so many white men are so weak.
Can we refine that spirit that our ancestors had?
We needed a new elite to set the tone.
I mean, you know, we, yes, I mean, and I think we're going to have to, but there just has to be a totally new way of thinking, a new elite that is going to set this tone.
And we cannot do it with this old elite.
And we, and I, and I mean this very seriously.
I mean, this sounds like kind of apocalyptic, and I guess it is.
We're not going to do it by just propping up the current system.
I mean, a lot of people are like, oh, gosh, if we don't vote Republican in 2018, it's all over.
Maybe it should be over.
Because the current system is leading towards our civilizational decline and ultimate extinction.
We have to be thinking about something else.
And this whole Trump thing and we're excited about these Republicans.
This is a lot of fun, but we have really seen the end of it.
And we need to be moving forward in a direction that's going to work in the next hundred years and not the next two weeks.
And that doesn't mean we shouldn't think about politics or analyze it or so on.
I mean, I think that's good.
We need to understand things, but we fundamentally need to start creating organizations that can actually lead.
And I do think that will ultimately be a political party.
Well, you're one of those guys, Richard, and we have you for one more segment.
We'll get to it right after this.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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Back with Richard Spencer.
Let me tell you how long I've known Richard.
Richard, you may remember this.
I don't remember when we first met, but I do remember seeing you in Nashville many, many years ago, maybe 2009.
Maybe 2008.
You had a buzz cut.
You had just spoken at Vanderbilt and you had a buzz cut.
Do you remember the buzz cut days?
I remember the buzz cut days.
The hair has gone through many variations.
That's the thing about men.
Men, unlike the other 57 genders, we get better looking with age.
That is true.
I think I'm in my plane right now.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm 40 years old, and I look back at my earlier self, and I was like, who's that kind of, yeah, he didn't look as mature.
He's a little pudgy.
Yeah.
We get more handsome.
It is amazing.
We do.
We do.
It's like Richard Gere, you know.
But anyway, we have too much.
We're too familiar.
We have too much fun.
Hang on.
I'm getting off my mic.
I know I'm trying to troubleshoot here.
Anyway, but we're talking about weak men, strong men.
I think the old saying goes something like this.
Strong men create good times.
Good times create weak men.
And we're in the weak men phase of that transition right now.
Let's talk about this, though.
What's to come?
So we've talked about demographics.
We've talked about securing the border.
Anything that is of any importance to so-called conservatives, whatever you want to call them, Republican voters, it begins and ends at the border.
And so we have this other caravan.
Pat Buchanan recently wrote about it.
This caravan's coming.
They're going to be knocking at the door here in the next couple of days.
We'll see what happens.
Who do you think will be president in 2020, Richard?
It's a really good question.
And the thing is, as lame as Trump has been, and he's been fascinating culturally speaking.
He's been fascinating as a meme and, you know, making the left go nuts or whatever.
In terms of actual impact, he has been rather lame.
I would give him a C or a C minus even.
But, you know, he's obviously a phenomenon.
But the thing is that the Democrats, their candidates are so just wrong that I find it difficult to see one that I think can just really definitively whip them.
They're going to have to find someone.
I mean, right now, as you know, there's this Tillery talk, and that just seems insane.
I don't know.
I mean, Corey Booker, I mean, Elizabeth Warren seems to have, you know, shot herself with her own bow and arrow, I guess.
I mean, you know, it's just the bow and arrow.
Well, it's that was so stupid.
She should have just let it die, but she made it a lot worse by releasing her DNA results, which shows that she has effectively no Native American ancestry.
So, I think that was, I mean, I don't want to dilate on that and make too much of it, but it was just so dumb that I don't, and I don't know how she's going to appeal.
She seems to, she and Hillary supposedly hate each other, but she's going to seem a lot like Hillary.
There are some leftists, just because I'm a very spare person, there's some leftists whom I actually respect.
Tulsi Gadlert, we might really disagree with her on, say, immigration issues or maybe some social issues.
But whenever she tweets about foreign policy and even other things, I really do, at the very least, admire her honesty.
You know, Bernie Sanders, he's kind of like the left-wing Ron Paul.
He's this, you know, crotchety, kind of strange guy.
He does actually seem genuine, I have to say.
I don't know.
I think he is a very popular politician.
I think he could actually do something.
So I don't know.
I mean, those are people that I kind of have a hard time hating.
I think the beta award seems to be this kind of cipher.
I don't know if there's really much of anything going on there.
He's just, he's kind of like a white Obama type character who's very anodyne.
But I don't know if anyone can, I mean, I could imagine Trump winning.
Well, I think Trump would wax the floor with any of these people on a level playing field, any of the early candidates for the 2020 Democratic nomination.
However, again, he won so many of these swing states by such a scant margin.
I think the scales could have been effectively tipped over the course of the last two years as he hasn't done anything to really curtail immigration.
In fact, as you mentioned recently on Twitter, he's deported less people than Obama.
Now, but there's this, and that is, I do believe, Richard, that most white people agree with us, at least fundamentally, even if they wouldn't say it.
In their heart of hearts, they agree with us.
It's like Joe Sobron said when it comes to mating in their migratory habits, liberals are indistinguishable from members of the Ku Klux Klan.
Famous quote.
I think most white people agree with us.
However, it has been tough to get an alt-right candidate elected.
Now, we just had Paul Nalen on during the first hour, even going back to the 90s, the early 90s with David Duke.
I was having dinner with David a couple of months ago, and he told me things even I didn't know before with regards to the dirty tricks played during his campaigns for governor and senator, respectively.
Of course, we knew that the media was going to be against him.
And of course, the media is infinitely worse now in the current year than it was in the early 90s.
But he said that there were all of these factory workers, these blue-collar workers who wanted to vote for him.
But their foreman, their people came to them and said, if Duke wins, we're shipping the factory to Mexico where we're going to close down.
And you have this economic terrorism where the Chamber of Commerce and business interests will move out of the district or the state or the area where one of our candidates could perhaps do well.
And this was something that I think affected Duke, who ran quite competitively for those races.
So what do you think about explicitly pro-white candidates?
Now, we've got Faith Goldie up in Toronto, which is become a complete joke.
I actually talked about her the last night.
She is, you know, it's one thing to be pragmatic and not, you know, be like Richard Spencer or David Duke up there, but it's another thing to go and claim that you want a one-state solution in Israel and do advertisements that have interracial relationships.
I mean, she just went in this direction.
That's just appalling.
But I would say this.
Yeah, David Duke, you know, again, many people now, you know, in our movement, such as it is, will bash him or say, oh, you know, bad optics or whatever.
David Duke got further than anyone else in terms of electoral politics.
Hundreds of thousands of votes, 40%.
I mean, that's not insubstantial.
He almost became, he almost became governor.
He was elected to the state house and so on.
Now, you know, and I don't think we need to, I don't want to say we want to rerun a David Duke campaign.
I think that would be wrong.
But the fact is there has to be something new.
And I hinted at this earlier.
At the end of the day, the Republicans will race bait.
They will pretend, they will use our issues, just kind of twist them and kind of, you know, take away the powerful stuff, but leave the fluff.
They'll use a version of our issues to win.
As I was saying, the Republicans are running as white nationalists, you know, in their rhetoric and even some of their slogans.
But they don't act that way.
And there's no way to discipline them.
When they get in office, they can do anything.
They can denounce us.
They can go this way or that.
There has to be some kind of disciplinary apparatus.
And, you know, and you could say the same thing about now, like, oh, let's go into the GOP.
Well, they have a disciplinary apparatus.
They are going to, you know, target these people and get rid of them.
We need the disciplinarians.
And so I think ultimately we need a party structure.
There has to be a real party.
And everyone hates third parties.
And everyone thinks that this is unpractical or something like that.
I think it is practical because it is the only real way forward.
If we just continue to allow race-baiting Republicans to lead us, we are just simply going to lose.
There has to be some way of disciplining a politician and having a coherent message like these political parties.
And the Republican Party, let's not give it too much credit.
It is a, well, you know, I've heard someone estimate that it's $100 million a year industry conservatism.
You add it all up, think tanks and publications and staffers and et cetera.
And I think that's no doubt true.
But that can go away.
I mean, if the Republican Party can't win in Texas and it can't win in Florida and these Michigan type places are just razor-sent, well, it quickly becomes a non-viable industry.
Oh, yeah.
Listen, you give a couple of more years of the demographic onslaught of non-white third worlders who are going to vote 90% Democrat.
Florida and Texas are gone.
And when they're gone, the GOP is gone.
So for no other reason, even if they didn't care anything about their children, if they didn't care anything about their racial heritage, if they just wanted to maintain their seats and their pensions and all of these things that come with being an elected official, they would secure the border.
Richard, we only have seconds remaining.
And at this hour, as every interview with you, goes by far too quickly.
Give us all the contact information.
Where do people need to go to reboot, Richard?
You know, I have just been taking a break.
I have been rebooting.
So watch out for this.
Check me out on Twitter.
That's usually where I am.
But one thing I have been working on is, it's Richard B. Spencer and Twitter.
I have been working on is this.
It's a very long essay on the midterms that I've been co-writing with some other people.
So that will be coming out at nationalpolicy.institute.
So you can check that out.
All right, we will, Richard.
And at Richard B. Spencer on Twitter, he's still there.
80,000 followers, even though some months shadow banned, still holding strong.
Richard, thank you, brother.
We appreciate you.
We love you.
Talk to you again soon, and we'll see what happens in November.