Feb. 17, 2018 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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In this second hour, we're going to welcome Tom Kaczynski.
Tom is the former town manager of Jackman, Maine.
He currently resides in that same town in Western Maine, where he lives with his wife, Dana.
In addition to advocacy, he's become writing a book about his experience as town manager and why he's no longer in that position.
Tom enjoys reading, hiking, and cooking as hobbies.
So I would like to give a warm political cesspool welcome to Tom Kaczynski.
Tom, are you there?
Hello, Tom?
Are you there?
Yes, can you hear me?
Yes, and so can Stephanie.
Excellent.
I was getting worried there for a moment.
I thought maybe I'd accidentally muted my phone.
So you're there.
Yes, can you hear me?
Well, yes, I can read you.
I don't hear, but that's another story.
But can you hear me all right?
I hear you fine.
Thank you.
Okay, the first thing I want to ask you is, am I pronouncing your name correctly?
Tom, are you there?
Yes, you are saying it correctly.
So I am saying Tom correctly.
That's what you're saying.
Yeah.
Okay.
So Tom Kosinski reminds me of when I got married.
My wife is of Polish descent, and her mother sent the guest list to us in the form of an address book.
And where she grew up, everybody was from an Eastern European origin.
And of all the people on her side attending our wedding, I could pronounce one name, and that was Zimmerman.
The rest on her side were just, there were too many continents for me.
Well, you know, when I Tom, apparently you're breaking up.
Stephanie can't hear you, and she can't tell me what you're saying.
Let me see if there's anything I can do to improve the coverage.
Okay.
Apparently, Tom, you are a very bad man.
You did something so bad that the town council, the equivalent of a town council, said that you could no longer be town manager.
So I assume you probably wrote some racist graffiti on the side of a black church.
Is that what you did?
Okay.
Folks, we're having some technical difficulties.
So I'm going to try something else until our producer is able to fix the problem.
I have a Facebook page that I have a great time with, and it's simply called It's Racist.
And it's where I collect stories in which the oddest things are deemed racist.
You know, you find out that racism is everywhere, including places where you think it should not be.
But here's one.
Here's a story having a deal with the Olympics.
And we find out that a coin toss is racist.
Coin tosses are racist.
Well, what is that about?
Well, this week, the story goes, the U.S. Olympic Committee chose two-time world champion and four-time Olympian Aaron Hamlin, a loser.
That's one of those funny little sleds that people ride down on their backs, and it looks exceedingly dangerous, and you couldn't pay me to get on one of those things.
But they selected Aaron Hamlin, a loser, to carry the American flag in the opening ceremonies.
That came after she and decorated speed skater Shawnee Davis tied four to four in a vote among the eight U.S. winter sport federations, and a coin was flipped to decide who would carry the flag.
Davis, the speed skater, thinks the coin flip was racist.
And here's what he said.
I am an American, and when I won the 1,000 meter in 2010, I became the first American to two-pete.
That means he did it again in that event.
Dishonorably tossed a coin, Team USA dishonorably tossed a coin to decide its 2018 flag bearer.
No problem.
I can wait till 2020, 2022.
And then he gives the hashtags Black History Month in Pyong Chang 2018.
Now, what exactly does losing a coin flip have to do with Black History Month?
Nothing.
But the presumption is that somehow Davis was a victim of racial bias, thanks to the use of the ultimate example of randomness, a coin toss.
Ah, folks, I just got word that Tom is back.
So we're going to try this again.
Tom, are you there?
I am.
Can you hear me better this time?
Well, Stephanie certainly can.
So she said you're coming through loud and clear.
So I'm going to start over from where I left off.
Is that all right?
Please do.
And I apologize.
Oh, that's all right.
That's part of the fun of live radio.
You know, you just never know what you're going to get.
If you listen to our the political cesspools anniversary broadcast, you'll find out some strange things that have happened in years past.
But I wouldn't be surprised if a program like yours sometimes gets interesting things to happen to it.
I've seen how that happened.
Indeed.
Now, apparently, Tom, you are a very bad man.
And you did something so bad that the equivalent of the town council where you live that you serve said you could no longer be the town manager.
So I assume that you did something really wrong, like you wrote some racist graffiti on the side of a black church.
Is that what you did?
Oh, what I did was so much worse than that.
I went out and I asserted my right to use my First Amendment rights to just say that, you know, maybe we should go ahead and, you know, question Islam.
I think that's the biggest part of what got me fired.
Oh, so you mean you didn't do something really despicable, like throw bacon into a mosque?
You didn't do that?
No, up here the bacon is too good.
I think I'd rather get hang on for a few minutes.
We have to go to a break.
Can you stick around?
Of course.
Folks, stay with us.
We'll be right back, and we'll pick up where we left off on the political cesspool.
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All right, Lincoln Smith here in for James Edwards, and I'm talking with Tom Kaczynski, former town manager of Jackman, Maine, and he's about to tell us exactly why he is the former town manager of Jackman, Maine and not the current town manager of Jackman, Maine.
I had assumed he had done something really bad, like riding some racist graffiti on the side of a black church, that he threw some bacon into a mosque, and he told me that there are much better uses for bacon than wasting it on Muslims.
I assume he didn't go so far as to drive the Confederate flag emblazoned pickup truck through a Black Lives Matter roadblock while screaming racial slurs.
So, Tom, if you would tell our audience exactly what happened.
Yeah, this was about a month ago now.
And what happened was I was doing my job as town manager.
I was actually having a number of meetings to try to save our local health care center.
And I found out a story had been published about some comments that I had made on social media.
Now, just to give you a little perspective, I'm a pretty active social media user, and I have well over 10,000 posts.
And someone went through all of my posts and went ahead and posted up two things they thought would be considered really difficult.
Number one was I was talking about how Islam has problems being compatible with Western civilization.
And number two is I was associated, excuse me, I was asserting the right of people to associate with whom they want to associate with, something that's guaranteed by our First Amendment under free association.
From this, there were certain characters in the media who decided to paint something that presented me as a terrible racist and believer of some sort of awful things.
And before long, it had snowballed into a frenzy that I think was mostly prompted by my unwillingness to recant the things I had said publicly and which I actually believe.
Now, just to find out what, just do a little cause and effect thing here.
What were your duties and responsibilities as town manager?
Sure.
Up here in Maine, a town manager is sort of like an unelected mayor.
I was essentially the executive authority for my town.
Jackman, Maine has about 900 people in Western Maine.
So it's not somewhere that gets a lot of attention.
Our nearest town is over in Canada, actually.
We're sort of an isolated logging town, but I was responsible for making sure the budgets were set, the plows ran on time, as well as certain policy measures.
And that was a job which I had been doing very well.
In fact, receiving a raise and a commendation from my board not three weeks before these events happened.
So when these comments that you had made came to light, did anybody question as to how you could discharge your duties and responsibilities in getting the snowplows out on time and making sure the budgets were met?
Did anybody question how that might affect your ability to do those things?
In fact, they did not.
One of the first people to talk to me was the town attorney and when I was dismissed the tuesday following this story, the town very explicitly said, I was fired without cause and as part of that there was a settlement between us because I was essentially fired for exercising my constitutional rights and importantly, I was fired for doing so on off-work hours where I had never once been accused,
nor had I ever been uh, prejudicial in conducting my public duties, in servicing all the residents of Jackman as well as any visitors who came to our office.
I believe in being courteous and respectful to all people and that's how I governed myself during my entire tenure.
So no one ever accused you of anything untoward.
You never.
No one ever accused you of making them feel uncomfortable.
No one ever accused you of microaggressions or of passive aggressivity or any of that stuff.
You know you never had any, any tarnish upon your service absolutely not.
What's interesting is honestly, I live in a town where no one would even notice us other than as a blip on the map, except for the fact that some people went out of their way to target me, and this is an interesting part of the story which I think your, your listeners, will enjoy.
I actually found out several weeks after the fact.
It was people from the Southern Poverty LAW Center who were going around searching media accounts everywhere that connected me to people I had just been speaking to and decided to orchestrate this whole takedown.
So you found out that it was the Southern Poverty LAW Center that was just happened upon these couple of comments that you made, uh in a uh a sweep that they had been doing.
Well, apparently what happened, from what I understand because they were bragging about what they did was that they had some Antifa allies up here in Maine, including a gentleman who's a furry, if you know what that is, and what they were able to do is they went through.
They took three weeks, went through 10 000 posts of mine because I am an unapologetic right-wing thinker, and they presented and put together an article in the Bangor Daily NEWS, which is a left-leaning tabloid type paper up here designed to basically take me down because they didn't like the idea that anyone who openly expresses any right-wing views be allowed to be in government.
And what i've kind of learned over the course of this is actually there are rather well-funded efforts designed to intimidate and coerce people away from exercising their constitutionally protected free speech by creating these situations where literally people can lose their jobs and livelihood for just uh, talking about things they believe.
That kind of thing has always stuck in my craw because, you know, we on the right are constantly accused of being intolerant and being prejudicial and biased and hateful.
And yet it is always the people on the left who are trying to make or trying to deprive people of their livelihoods.
And I like to point out that during Nazi era Germany, this is exactly the kind of thing that the Nazi Party was doing to Jews.
And they want to compare us to Nazis, whereas it was the Nazis actually in Germany who were passing laws that were depriving Jews, their livelihoods and their professions.
So I have never understood how the accusation of that kind of intolerance has stuck on us when it is the left who is perpetrating that kind of thing.
Well, it's interesting if you look at how left-wing the media is, how they always protect their own, and you'll never see any criticism of anything that they would do.
If you had, for instance, people going around with communist symbols, you'll never hear talk about how Stalin was responsible for killing tens of millions or Mao or any of that.
What they do is they protect their own and they go ahead and target only in one direction against people who lean to the right.
And unfortunately, and I live this firsthand, people aren't prepared to stand up against that.
And even though I was and I was able to go ahead and express openly my views without repentance, when my small town was sacked by hordes of media that basically demanded they submit, my town did what was expected of them.
And unfortunately, I think it sets a very bad lesson when you let people use censorship to win arguments rather than having to fight on the issues.
Because I think the cultural Marxism they support on the left these days isn't something most Americans believe in.
And if we have open debates, every time it happens, they lose.
How would you describe your belief system?
I've called it white nationalism in the past, and I don't know how you react to that term, but describe your beliefs that these people would find offensive.
Oh, but hang on.
We have to do so after the break.
Can you stay with us?
Yes.
All right, folks.
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I'm Winston Smith, filling in for James Edwards, who's out at a daddy-daughter dance with his lovely daughter Isabella.
And I'm talking with Tom Kosynski, former town manager of Jackman Maine, who was fired for the unpardonable sin of actually loving his own race.
Now, Tom, before we went to the break, I'd ask you to describe your racialism, your race realism, your white nationalism.
But before you get into that, I'd like to ask, if there's a crowdfunding account or some way people who are so inclined can support you?
Yes, thank you.
Two good options out there are if you go to freestarter.com.
That's F-E, excuse me, F-R-E-E-S-T-A-R-T-R.com.
You can look me up on there and you'll see I fight for white civil rights on there.
And also, if you use Gab as social media, I recommend it.
It's free speech, what Twitter should be, but isn't.
If you follow me at Tom Kaczynski, T-O-M-K-A-W-C-Z-Y-N-F-K-I, and follow me as a premium subscriber, that helps.
And if you want to do things the old-fashioned way, just send me an email at newalbion.
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And if you have any comments or ideas, I am a very active social media user, and I certainly welcome that.
And I'd like to thank everyone who sent their support as this story broke nationally.
Folks, if you have trouble with the spelling of Tom's last name, you can always go to the politicalsetspool.org and look at the article that we've posted there.
That'll give you the correct spelling.
Not to make fun of the spelling of your name or anything, Tom, but some of us of a more Westerly name bent might have some trouble with that.
It's okay.
I don't take any offense for it.
Very well.
Well, so please continue on explaining your thoughts and the things that people might have found offensive or those who were trying to take you down might have used against you.
Well, one of the things I think they were most mad about is that they made the suggestion that I am a white separatist.
And they made this suggestion based upon comments I made that people would want to choose to be around whomever they wanted.
Now, I didn't put a racial context into it, but I was asked many times about it.
And during the questions which I was asked, I asserted that I am pro-white.
Now, I am someone who lives in a town that's 98% white, in a state that's 95% white, and I take my responsibilities as a public servant seriously.
So of course I would be pro-white and look out for the interests of white people and believe as a white person that we should be proud of our heritage, proud of our ethnicity, proud of our identity, and that none of these in and of themselves constitute any form of hatred.
I think that it's important for people to realize that only when we begin standing up for ourselves as people with the same rights to join whatever groups or identities or labels we want, will we recognize the legal equality which has been drifting away from us because of the fact that we can't compete for the same scholarships.
We don't get the same federal benefits and a host of other things where it has become acceptable, sadly, especially up here in the Northeast, to kick people for being white, saying they have white privilege and we are some sort of other, where we are people who have a great proud legacy and heritage.
And if we stand up for ourselves, I believe we also have a great future.
Oh, I couldn't agree with you more.
You mentioned the notions of white privilege and I've talked about microaggressions this evening.
These things are despicable because really they're nothing more than coping mechanisms that racists of color use to deal with their acute feelings of inferiority when they are confronted or in the presence of people who are better than them.
If a lot of racists of color simply cannot stand to be around white people because we are a reminder that they themselves are failures.
And by that, I want to illuminate on that.
For example, in colleges, the STEM, the so-called STEM programs, science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, These are pretty much the realm of white students, whereas non-white students tend to flock towards studies programs.
They go towards black studies programs, black lesbian study programs, whiteness studies.
Anyhow, they gravitate towards these useless study programs that will not get them any sort of employment whatsoever.
And they see the white students getting job offers and they themselves are not getting the job offers.
So they have to come up with these notions of white privilege when the fact is they just chose the wrong gall dern program to get educated in.
Well, I think that's the heart of the problem that there is a politics of resentment and a culture of resentment that's fostered that I think the left pushes very heavily in this country to keep minorities from achievement.
I mean, it's much easier to offer people free stuff or special privilege and then say someone else is to blame for their lot in life.
I mean, and if you do things like that, like with affirmative action, where people who probably wouldn't qualify for college, you know, under the same sort of thinking are given special privilege because they are a minority.
To me, that's the essence of racism.
And I think that it's entirely inappropriate.
I think it's something we should stand up against.
And I think people increasingly are standing up for that because they realize that you can never give enough resources to the people who demand you apologize for your existence to ever make them happy.
Oh, I couldn't agree with you more on that.
We could surrender all of our possessions, all of our money.
We could abandon our homes and give it to these races of color, and it still would not be enough for them.
And in fact, within a year's time, they would take everything that we had given them and it would be gone.
You know, if you look at it, I think the perfect example of that in some ways, and I know some people are aware of it, is what happened in South Africa, where supposedly there was an incredibly despicable regime there where, you know, the people who were the minority there who happened to be white, who built up that country and who managed it for a very long time were pushed out of power.
And now you hear about people getting killed in the streets there who are white for the crime of being white, excuse me, for being white.
And when you look at the social justice agenda of race redistributionism, I think it's something we need to be very mindful of.
Now, up where I live up here in New England, it's a funny thing because we are an incredibly white part of the country.
But probably because of that, you actually see people lean left and signal for certain ideas because they haven't had the experience day to day of living with diversity in the sense that someone who's been in a more diverse environment would.
I grew up in Arizona, somewhere where there were whole neighborhoods you didn't go in if you didn't speak Spanish or look a certain way.
So I've seen what happens when you have different populations and cultures overlap.
And one of the reasons I live in Maine is because it's a place where these problems don't exist the same way.
I mean, I literally don't have to lock my door because in a lot of ways it's like an older Americana.
But that sort of way of being actually blinds a lot of good intentioned people here to not be able to understand why someone like me takes the position that you just can't import people from a different culture, bring them into your towns and expect everything to work well.
There are big costs to be had, and especially today where we don't have a culture into which people assimilate, but we have cultures which overlap each other and don't particularly agree or like one another.
You said, and I'm quoting from an article here, you say, quote, you are pro-white without being anti-any other groups in terms of their racial identity, unquote.
Now, that's something that I understand perfectly, and most white people understand it.
Most normal thinking white people understand that.
However, non-whites, when a white person says that they are pro-white, that they love their race, that they advocate for their race, they automatically equate that with hatred of non-whites.
I don't see how that leap happens.
And when we come back from our break, I'd expect you to comment on that.
Is that all right?
Looking forward to it.
All right, folks, stay with us for the next segment of the Political Cesspool Radio Program with Winston Smith and Tom Kaczynski.
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Welcome back to the next broadcast of the Political Cesspool.
I'm Winston Smith, filling in for James Edwards, and I'm talking with Tom Kaczynski about his life there in small town western Maine, where you would think the Southern Poverty Law Center wouldn't give a rodent's backside about it, but apparently they have some nefarious associates up there who have some rather odd proclivities who are helping them out.
Doesn't surprise me that they have allies with odd proclivities.
That's, if you want to, if you read Morris Nees' divorce papers, it doesn't surprise me at all.
Anyhow, let's get back to our discussion with Tom Kaczynski.
I'd ask him before the break to explain why it is that stating that you are pro-white automatically equals you hate others.
It's something that most white nationalists and most white race realists and most racialists understand.
You don't have to hate others in order to love your own.
Am I right, Tom?
I think it's absolutely true.
And even if you look at what the left promotes, they are happy to have pride in any other identity.
You know, if it's black, Latino, Native American.
And so if you're going to say those groups can have pride in who they are, it would seem logical that whites would feel the same way and that that would be something they would support.
The reason that they don't, I personally believe, is because the only thing that holds together these groups on the left at this point is resentment against whites for their success and, you know, as being the majority.
Because take a look at a leftist coalition, for instance, where you have feminists and Muslims working together.
If the Muslims were to ever get their way, they would send the women back to the kitchen, but back to the Stone Age.
And, you know, but nonetheless, they have what they call intersectional activism that's really rooted in just one thing, white hatred.
And when you look at what the left has pushed in this country over the last 40, 50 years, what you see is that they've worked to try to displace us, replace us, and remove our access to equal consideration in terms of access to money, government services, and even to the more basic ability to talk about our problems as our problems.
And I think it's because they're scared to death that if we got together and talked and used our reason as a group, which we are very good at doing, we would begin calling these people out on what they do, kick them far away from power, and their sort of radical agenda of taking control of everything would not be able to fly.
But unfortunately, they prey upon certain people and their own paranoia to go ahead and oppose what has been the tradition and success of our great nation.
I've long said that in this struggle in which we find ourselves, that if it were just a matter of logic and reason and facts, the battle would have been over a long time ago because logic, reason, and facts are on our side.
And you've talked about many of those facts and a lot of that logic already.
But again, I say it's just a matter of having solid facts, being able to synthesize solutions and being able to talk logically about what we face.
Well, we would have won this a long, long time ago.
There probably wouldn't even be a political festival radio program.
Well, that would be unfortunate.
I think you guys do good work.
But what I would say is that I think what's been lacking is courage and passion.
People like me who speak out pay a very high price.
And people who go ahead and speak against the agenda are ostracized.
They're ostracized by an academia which doesn't allow these ideas to get out there, a media which presents only one side of the story, and an attack machine that's incredibly effective at destroying people's livelihood.
You know, when they came and they put these stories out about me and my town, what they also did that you didn't hear about in any media story is there was a brigade of people who were going around writing bad reviews about every restaurant in town, every hotel, and they literally caused people to not use their reason and logic, but instead to panic in fear.
And these are the weapons they use and they use them incredibly well.
Fear, intimidation, and coercion.
And what we need to do, in my opinion, is more of us just need to stand up and say, we're not going to take this.
We are the majority and we have rights.
And as we do this and we speak up for our civil rights as such, I think that's the piece that has been missing.
But I think also our own kindly nature in many ways has been turned against us.
And I guess it's worth going into just for a second why I got into identity politics because I didn't grow up in it.
But it's one of those things where every other group in America organizes as a group for their interests.
You know, you have the Black Congressional Caucus, you have Latino caucuses, you have all these groups who work as groups.
And white people are told we can only talk about ideas.
And while I think everyone should talk about ideas, I think it's also fair to say we have distinctive issues.
And that if every other group is going to talk about their issues, ours deserve the same equal regard.
I remember William Rasbury of the, he was a columnist for the Washington Post.
He really wrote this.
He said, it is always illegitimate for white men to organize as such.
And every time I think about that, I thought, well, there's the hypocrisy of the discussion of race in America in a nutshell.
We are not allowed to organize as such.
And the underlying assumption is that white people are either unqualified or for some reason do not have permission to discuss race.
Whenever a racist of color uses the phrase, we need to have a discussion about race, a conversation about race, they don't want to include us.
And I've always found that to be rather infuriating.
And it's getting to the point where we have to force ourselves into the conversation precisely for the reason you stated.
And that's, you know, we have rights.
We are the majority.
And if every other group gets to discuss their concerns, then we get to discuss ours also.
Well, I think that's absolutely right.
And to build upon the column you were talking about, if you read what academics say about white, they don't just say we're inappropriate.
They say we are evil.
They say we cannot help but destroy things.
And we are presented as the boogeyman in their philosophies against which everyone else is organized.
And the thing about it is, if you think about what that actually means, it means as they gain more power and more control, they're not going to treat us as equal partners in things.
They're going to treat us as people to be removed, eradicated, and they're going to continue to take from us and attack us and our people and our future.
And it doesn't make me happy to say this.
I would have been fine with the bargain of a meritocracy where we all were working toward a similar goal, whatever our difference is.
But, you know, people my age, and I'm 37 years old, sometimes like to remember and say, oh, things were better in the 80s and 90s where everyone really seemed to be equal and race wasn't an issue.
But what I've come to realize over time is that was the point that two ships were passing in the night.
And you go back to LBJ and you go back to the 60s and minorities were weaponized in America by the left, by those institutions, including the Democratic Party, but not limited to that, to go ahead and work against the majority because they hate America.
At the end of the day, America was a country that was founded by a bunch of white men who had a big idea and who built the greatest country history has ever seen.
They hate that.
They hate how it was originated.
They hate America.
And, you know, one thing I've seen is they hate our history.
I was a history major.
And even though I'm up here in Yankee, New England, I respect the South.
I respect the stars and bars.
But when they start erasing that flag, Old Glory is the next one to follow because they believe everything we did was evil, where the truth is we are the only civilization in history that has been so kind to outsiders that we actually bring them into our homes and bring them in as citizens.
You know, if you look at the countries of Africa or anywhere else in the world, if you had a large minority population of some other group, they end up getting killed.
And I think that that really gets lost because we're decent, that we overlook that the people, and I don't mean your average everyday person who's just a voter, but the academics and ideologues who are on the far left, this is their endgame.
And if we do not organize to protect us, no one will come to save us.
Tom, we got just a couple of minutes left in this segment.
How has the community treated you since all this took place?
Well, it's kind of funny.
For the first couple days, it was difficult and people didn't know what to do.
And then the storm blew over and I was out of office.
And I tell you, even though I'm not in a political position anymore, people still wave to me.
People still They'll say hi.
And I think, to be honest with you, a lot of people here in Maine didn't understand what this was all about.
But as they've had time to think about it, they don't feel good that someone got railroaded.
And a lot of people were quiet because they didn't want to get in the line of fire.
But this is my home.
I'm here arguing for it.
I'm fighting for it.
And my own group, which I run, New Albion, which just promotes Western culture and the people, traditional people who live here in New England, has grown exponentially.
We now have over 100 members, families throughout our part of the country, who just want to go ahead and look out for one another and recognize that we need to be working together as effectively as the other side does if we're going to go ahead and make sure people can't be intimidated and threatened like I was.
Oh, I was going to ask another question, but I'm afraid that's the end of our segment.
Tom, thank you very much for joining us.
We wish you all the best and please keep in touch.
I hope we can have you on again soon.
So God bless you, man.
God bless and thank you.
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