Aug. 12, 2017 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome, everybody, to tonight's live broadcast of the Political Cesspool Radio Program.
I'm your host, James Edwards.
Saturday, August 12th, 2017.
The Unite the Right rally was supposed to have been held earlier today at Lee Park in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Many of you probably already know what happened.
Jason Kessler, who was our guest two weeks ago, had obtained a permit from the government of Charlottesville to hold a peaceful rally.
Earlier this week, the city, in a very unconstitutional action, revoked that permit.
Last night, a federal judge granted an injunction on behalf of Jason Kessler and the Unite the Right rally.
It was back on.
Once our people arrived at that park today, the police, at the moment the rally was supposed to begin, declared it to be a quote-unquote unlawful assembly, and then chaos ensued.
I'm James Edwards, Keith Alexander, in the studio tonight of Memphis, Tennessee.
We are going to have an incredible show.
Eddie the Bombardier Miller, our co-host, was dispatched to Charlottesville to report as our on-the-scene field correspondent for the political cesspool tonight.
He is there in Charlottesville right now.
We're going to go to Eddie.
And the way this show is going to work, it's all about Unite the Right tonight.
We're going to give you as many different perspectives from people who were there as we can.
After Eddie, we will go to a guest, then back to Eddie, then a guest, back to Eddie, then a guest.
Our first couple of guests this hour, Michael Hill of the League of the South and Evan McLaren, the executive director of the National Policy Institute.
But first to Eddie.
Eddie, you leave the hotel you were at with members of the League of the South to go to Lee Park to participate in this demonstration.
Take it away from that starting point.
What happened thereafter?
Here we go, James.
First of all, I would like to tell the people that our contributors that sent me here, tell them they got their money's worth every penny.
I tell you what, I've been in a lot of battles my day.
I've never seen it any hotter than what today.
I've never seen such valor with our people, especially with our young power, James.
Here's how it went down.
We went with our intel, with our scouts, went out and scouted the place out, trying to make sure it was safe going into the Lee Park.
We parked at the parking garage.
We assembled in a military-like formation.
About 200 of us, conservative, good Christian people, marched out of there finally toward the park, and we hooked up with about equal, we were about a quarter of the people.
I've told we were between 800 and 1,000 people.
James, we had to, here's what went down.
The police were dispatched last night to clear the park.
They were supposed to clear the park this morning at 10 o'clock.
We were supposed to be able to get in the park with no problems.
Well, they did not, James.
What a shocker.
They didn't.
We had to fight our way into the park.
We literally had to fight our way in the park.
Our guys, two guys younger than my grandson, were pepper sprayed, were beaten with sticks, buddied, eyes just all screwed up.
We fought our way in the park.
We were there for an hour.
Once we finally fought our way into the park, I mean, you would not believe how hot it was.
I was nervous as a cat.
But once we fought our way into the park, James, we were barricaded on three sides.
Okay, Barrett, get that people.
Barricaded on three sides, only one way out of the park.
And I'll tell you what it was like in a minute.
Okay, we're there in an hour and a half.
We're taking all kinds of foreign missiles, you know, rock, bottles of water sticks being thrown in at us.
Our people being spit.
I was hit by Seth.
Not just badass about the other guys.
Thank God for sunglasses with pepper spray.
They turned gas loose on us.
They threw feces and urine on us.
And you know what the Glorious Police were doing?
They were sitting there with their fingers up their rear, watching, some of them laughing, you know, and watching us take all kinds of endless abuse.
And then, you know, and then all of a sudden, after about an hour and a half, they say, oh, you have to leave the park.
Your permit's been canceled.
Well, our good, our ex-Marine, our Vietnam Marine vet here, Gene, you know him all too well.
He told one of the cops, well, we'll be glad to leave and go back to the parking garage where we came in.
And they said, get the hell out of here.
You know, we're not going to clear path for you.
You're going to go.
And the way we had to go, we had to go straight forward into the NFI.
I think we were outnumbered four to five to one.
We had to fight our way out of there, James.
Well, as you can imagine, all hell broke loose.
I mean, it was just total chaos, fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting.
And we broke up.
I got separated from all our guys.
Our guys got separated.
We were scattered all over Charleston.
So I heard a bunch of guys, R.G. Miller, I saw R.G. Miller heading toward McIntyre Park.
I went with him.
We got down to McIntyre Park.
There's probably about 200 people there.
I thought, well, I'd meet up some of our guys.
Maybe, you know, maybe Gene, maybe some other guys down there.
Well, lo and behold, we got there, and we had been given the green light earlier by the city and by the state where we could meet there.
In fact, if you remember, James, we were given the permit to meet there first.
And our guy said, hell no, we're not meeting in McIntyre Park.
We're meeting in Lee Park.
So when we finally got to McIntyre Park today, because we were being hounded like wolves after wilderbeest, I mean, it was just never ended.
And the citizens of the city, half of them are probably against us, at least half of them.
We got to McIntyre Park.
Guess what?
After going about three miles to McIntyre Park or hot sun, then the government said, okay, we're going to get them guys out of McIntyre Park.
If they don't evacuate McIntyre Park, they're going to be arrested.
So then we have to go back down to our Boulevard, try to best can to get back to the parking garage.
Meanwhile, some older people.
Hold on right there, Eddie.
You're breaking up just a little bit, so I'm going to just chime in.
I've been on the phone with Eddie and other people and his detachment all day.
So they arrive at the park, just to reiterate some of the things Eddie said.
They were attacked with bricks, with mace, with pepper spray, with feces, with urine, all sorts of airborne projectiles.
Right out of the playbook of the Civil Rights Movement, by the way.
That's exactly right.
And I know some of the people in and around Eddie took some damage.
There were some fist fights that were breaking out.
And of course, the police did less than nothing to help.
The only time the police moved in was at the exact moment when the rally was scheduled to begin.
That's at the time that they said it was an unlawful assembly.
Never mind the fact that our group had a permit.
Never mind that a federal judge had come down and ruled in favor of Unite the Right.
It was an unlawful assembly.
They herded everybody out.
More violence.
Move them to another location.
As soon as they get to that location, a state of emergency has been declared by this point.
And so the whole thing is just utter chaos.
People are spread to the four winds.
And some speakers are heading out of town.
Some speakers are at one park, some at the other, some going home.
Total madness.
And then, of course, you know, from that point, it escalated even further.
There were even at least one fatality and several more hospitalizations.
All, I believe, 19 injured.
And I would say that the blood is on the hands of the government of the city of Charlottesville, the state police, and the National Guard for not allowing peaceful citizens their right of assembly.
And this is what we've got.
Now, the media, I did a Unite the Right preview show earlier this week with Henrik Palmgren, who'll be on with us later this evening on Red Ice TV.
And I said, I explained exactly how the media would cover it.
And, of course, well, I don't guess it takes an oracle to be able to predict this, but the media has responded in the way that we knew that they would.
Keith, we only have seconds remaining before we get to Dr. Hill.
and we'll go back to Eddie there at his location.
You said that this was exactly, well, we're coming up on the music.
We'll let Keith respond to what the city may have had planned and the actions that they took, why the city, in Keith's estimation, did what they did and the timing of it.
Well, that's all coming up in the next segment when we go to Michael Hill.
Eddie will be with us throughout the night there in his official capacity as a co-host of this radio program.
And with his press credentials in hand, no less, we'll be back.
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Okay, folks, lots of moving parts tonight.
We are shuffling the lineup as we move forward.
A lot of disorganization on the ground in Charlottesville as a result of the actions that the city government, indeed the federal government, I guess you could say, the governor and the local police, et cetera.
The actions they took in Charlottesville have made a real mess of the whole situation.
But to break it down in his unique perspective, we have now Dr. Michael Hill, president of the League of the South, who was, of course, scheduled to be one of the speakers today at the Unite the Right rally.
Michael, take us into your mind, my friend, and tell us your takeaways and observations from what happened just hours ago.
All right, I will, James.
First of all, thank you for having me on tonight.
And let me say this, that we were very happy today about the way our people acquitted themselves.
They acquitted themselves like men, Southern Financialist men, and we're very proud of that.
But we also realized that the way this thing was set up, it was almost set up for us to fail.
And that is, it was set up to, I think, for the authorities to be able to shut it down before any speaker reached the microphone.
And that's exactly what happened.
And observing it, you know, head on.
And, you know, I mean, really, really close up.
We were the shock troops.
Everybody else was inside the pen.
We had to fight our way in to even get adjacent to the pen where everybody was, all the alt-right was kept away from Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
We had to fight our way through them to get even to the adjacent to that.
And the way the cops seemed to set it up would result in a riot.
And that's exactly what happened, James.
I mean, Antifi started throwing bottles, and then they started throwing tear gas, and they started throwing pepper spray and balloons and bottles and stuff like that.
And it just deteriorated.
And finally, the cops started.
I mean, somebody issued the order that it was a state emergency and therefore an illegal assembly.
And they told us we had to get the hell out of there.
So we had to fight our way back through Antifa.
We have a number of people injured.
We had a couple of people gone to the hospital.
We got a couple of people walking or probably walking around with concussions.
But I can guarantee you, Antifa got the worst of it.
But the thing is that it was almost set up to fail.
And that's the thing that disturbs me.
I know Keith Alexander, my co-host, Dr. Hill, has some thoughts about that.
And I will just also add, I have been monitoring extensively social media.
I've been in touch with many of the people who are on the ground today.
I am not going to broker tonight in hearsay or hyperbole.
I am only going to go with things that I have confirmed.
What I can confirm is that there were members of the so-called Antifa group there, one with a flamethrower, an aerosol can, and a lighter that he was using to throw fire onto the Unite the Right participants, and another with a bow and arrow.
Photograph of that.
Yes, I believe.
In fact, I believe it was Brad Griffin.
Yeah.
Yeah, we have photographs of those, and they did not do anything about it.
Well, there you have it, folks.
So, Keith, I want to bring Keith on here very quickly, Dr. Hill, and then back to you before we end this segment.
I know we're only keeping everyone a segment tonight.
But Keith wanted to actually double down on what you had said about how this was organized by the local law enforcement and city government to bring in all of our people into basically a kill box, though, where there was one way in, one way out, a lair, and then immediately cancel the rally.
I know the speakers, Richard Spencer and others, were not allowed to ascend to any sort of podium.
They were pushed up by the police against the barricade.
This was planned before the beginning that it would be declared a so-called unlawful assembly before it ever even got started.
That's exactly what happened after our people were cornered.
Keith, very quickly, back to Dr. Hill.
Okay.
We need to help you.
Dr. Hill, Keith Alexander here.
Let me say this.
From my vantage point, I put all of this at the feet of Michael Singer, the Jewish leftist, but I repeat myself, mayor of Charlottesville.
He sympathized with your opponents.
And by the way, all of the major news networks call them counter protesters.
The word antifaw or Black Lives Matter never crosses their lips.
Of course, we're either white nationalists or white supremacists throughout all of this.
Yeah, and they basically brought you into a box canyon and made you march in through fire and march out through fire.
This was the way it was planned by the city government of Charlottesville.
They ought to be held responsible for all the bloodshed, all the damage, all of the uproar and destruction that happened as a result of their intentional mishandling of this.
If this had been a leftist rally, there would have been adequate protection.
They would have kept the two contending sides apart, and none of this would have happened.
Well, and Michael, back to you now, but I'll tell you, I've been in touch with you and Eddie and so many other people on the ground.
Keith was monitoring the establishment press, the control press.
He said he was flipping back throughout the day from CNN, Fox, MSNBC.
He said every bit of the coverage was 100% identical.
Dr. Hill, you've got the last word.
Yeah, this was a setup.
There's no doubt about it to me.
They made us fight our way through and fight our way out and then declared it a riot.
And we didn't start it, but we finished it.
We got out.
We got there and we did what we wanted to do, and that is to reach the park and defend the statue.
We didn't get to speak because they declared it by that time an illegal assembly 15 minutes before the speakers were due to speak.
But we got our men in.
We got them all out.
Everybody is accounted for.
We got several injuries, but our men acquitted themselves well.
The Nationalist Front, the hard right, acquitted themselves well.
And I tell you what, it's just a damn shame that the state police and the Charlottesville police set this thing up to be the fiasco that it was because it was a setup from the word go.
Okay, Michael Keith Alexander, I'm a veteran of the old civil rights movement, and it's just alive in that time.
I was alive and saw it.
But let me say this.
Remember back then the protesters were always righteous and holy.
They wore little white shirts with little narrow skinny ties and hornrim glasses.
And the police were the bad guys.
Now they've totally flipped the paradigm and they have made the, you know, they won't even call the left, they won't even identify these people as leftists.
They call them the counter protesters.
And it was Antifa and Black Lives Matter to the hilt out there.
That's what you were contending with, wasn't it?
Oh, yes, that's exactly who it was.
Black Lives Matters in Antifa.
That's who it was.
I mean, no doubt about it.
Well, and then, of course, Black Lives Matter and Antifa Terrorists absolutely are giving carte blanche to burn down cities, and they are held as heroes by the press.
Our people light a few tiki torches and go out and try to have a peaceful rally.
And we're the evil ones that the media comes crashing down on unequivocally.
Yeah, and Michael, let me say this.
Again, they just can't cope with modernity.
That one name that they latched on to was David Duke, and they said the alt-right is just like the Ku Klux Klan.
And then they kept calling you the Ku Klux Klan.
If you can believe this, I mean, these people have no imaginations.
They can't adapt to the times.
They're just replaying the 1960s in their mind.
In fact, this thing reminds me as much of anything as the riots at Ole Miss when James Meredith was enrolled.
All right, Dr. Hill, what's the parting shot?
With only seconds remaining, a parting shot you would like the audience to take away from your appearance tonight.
My parting shot is I'm proud as hell of the way our people acted today.
And if they think that we're going away, they're crazy.
We ain't doing nothing.
Another thought coming.
And we're going to fight for our people.
Well, amen, brother.
We're happy to have you with us.
We're happy to be working with you.
I know that we'll work in cooperation to hold the moral high ground.
And ladies and gentlemen, of course, League of the South, join up and you can be part of Dr. Hill's organization and the fine Christian men who are fighting for our rights and our identity today in Virginia.
Dr. Hill, thanks.
I know it's been a busy day, a hectic day.
So we thank you especially for making time tonight to be with us live and share your thoughts with the audience.
We'll talk to you again soon.
Gentlemen, it's always my pleasure.
Glad to be here.
When we come back, everybody, back to Eddie Miller live from Charlottesville and many more guests to come throughout the night.
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All right, folks, we're going back.
Well, I guess we're staying in Charlottesville.
That's certainly where Michael Hill is and where Eddie is also.
Eddie took the assignment to go to Charlottesville to attend the Unite the Right rally and report to our audience as an official member of our co-hosting staff.
And wow, I think we all got a little more than we bargained for.
We actually thought, I guess, that we'd have the same rights as a domestic terrorist.
I mean, we are a law-abiding citizen.
I'm a Muslim illegal immigrant.
Exactly.
Well, anyway, I want to, again, so much to cover, so much happening.
This is all unfolding in real time.
So this isn't an event that we're covering after the dust has settled.
We're still reacting to this as things still are occurring.
Embers are still glowing in Charlottesville.
Well, that's right.
And then our people are certainly a little scattered as a result of the unconstitutional actions taken by the government in Virginia.
But I want to tell you a few things.
The government in Charlottesville, I don't think.
Well, the governor, the governor.
It's a mayor, not the governor.
Well, the governor also called a state of emergency and so on and so forth.
Well, that was in mid-afternoon or something.
Well, there's no doubt that the brunt of the blame should be there on Mike Singer and Wes Bellamy and the Charlottesville city government.
But I don't think Terry McAuliffe was necessarily a partisan on behalf of the good guys in this.
But I want to tell you a few of the things Eddie shared with me.
Eddie said the group that he was with began the day and ended the evening last night in prayer, that before every meal they prayed, and that it was some of the finest men he ever had the pleasure of being with.
Eddie, of course, as you know, is a former veteran of the Vietnam War, did two tours in Vietnam as a combat medic.
And he said that the people there today showed more bravery, or at least as much bravery, as the men he fought with in Vietnam.
Eddie, let me ask you if this is a fair statement.
At the end of the day, what has been proven to, well, actually, go ahead and respond to that, and then I'll get to the next the next point.
Go, Eddie.
I'm going to make your quick.
And I'm going to get out of the way because I want to interview.
I want a couple of the young warriors, the finest you will ever see.
I want to get him here and tell a quick story.
But I'd like to reinforce what Dr. Hill said.
Yes, there was hell breaking out everywhere.
Pepper spray.
Listen, we have a Marine veteran here.
You know Em all too well.
We had the veterans, Army vets from Vietnam, from a desert storm.
And James, they were sprayed with pepper spray like they were roaches, like they were common roaches, man.
They were treated like rats.
And meanwhile, this scum out there, they were treating them wonderful.
We have a young guy here.
I'd like to get him on, if I can.
I want him to tell what happened to him, how he was attacked by the police for doing nothing.
This is a young man.
His name is Mike.
I want him to tell a quick story.
Mike, here's the turnover, son.
Yes, thank you.
I was part of a group of five people who got cut off from the rest of our entourage by the police shield wall.
They kept pushing us forward toward the ANIFA.
I tell them, you know, what are you doing?
There are five of us, and there are at least 200 of them standing over here.
And two of the guys tried to dive down to get past the police, and one of them got rewarded for it with a hit in the back with a baton loud enough that I was able to hear it from six feet away.
And they were both coated in mace.
I got coated in mace.
I turned around.
I had a shield.
I told them to follow me.
We were going to try to force our way through the ANIFA.
And one of the police officers nailed me in the back with his shield, tried to knock me down the steps.
And two of the other guys tumbled right beside me whenever they hit me.
I guess they hit them as well.
They intended us to fall.
And so finally they got up and we made our way around.
We were pressed up against a wall by, I don't know how many of them.
One of the guys took a blow to the head.
He had blood pouring down the side of his face from it.
And we finally made it to the medic line.
And James, once again, the police forced these young men.
I'm looking at one kid here.
He looks like he's about 14 years old, James.
He's two years younger than my grandson, Blake.
You know Blake all too well.
I mean, they're like babies, and they're out there.
The valor, if you can only see the valor.
But James, I tell you what, I have no, there's no limit to my fury that I have for these people from the president all the way down.
There's no limit to the hatred I have.
I hope you people out there will see you have no government left anymore, people.
You have no president.
You have no senators.
You have nothing.
You have no representation whatsoever.
You are the evil.
The people listening to this radio station, you looked at as the evil scum.
All righteousness is looked at as an evil.
Our enemies worship evil.
They have turned themselves over to evil.
And yes, James, one of the high points of the day for me was I was given the honor.
Rich Hamlin asked me, would I pray?
We were out to a very fine restaurant here.
And my God, we've been praying.
And I can tell you flat out, without God Almighty, there'd have been a lot more injuries today than there was.
Now, James, if I have time, I'm going to bring another young man up here today just for a second.
What's your name, son?
Chris, come up here, son.
All right, here.
Tell me your story.
Wrap this up quick and we'll run out of town.
This is Chris.
He looks like he's 16.
I think he's 21, James.
Here, take it away, Chris.
Thank you, Chris.
All right.
I'm Chris Zigo, the Florida League itself.
And, well, when I got there, there were about at least 200 communists in a human wall facing us, and I was in the front lines.
So the first thing they did was begin to throw bottles of urine at us.
And also these, I don't know what these were.
These are balloons full of pepper spray and had urine in them and all kinds of concoctions of deadly things and just probably even diseases.
And one of them hit me in the face in my helmet and the flag.
My flag got soaked in it.
And I had to use my flag toll to keep the enemy away.
It was kind of like a steer per se, only wasn't really doing anything.
We finally made it through, and the enemy was continuously harassing us.
They were encircling us and basically raising all hell, as Dr. Hill said.
And we were just trying to peaceably assemble, as we came to do, when the police declared our assembly unlawful.
And right there, and then I was infuriated.
I was really, really, you know, surprised by this.
Although, honestly, now that I look back on it, I do believe that as, you know, what's your name, sir?
The Bombardier.
You know, as Bobby said, we're just, we no longer have a government that represents us.
Our voice is no longer being heard, and these people won't allow us to express our opinions anymore.
And the way I see it, we're going to have to eventually come together and secede from the unions because the union no longer represents us.
It's no longer for us.
And today it proved that.
Today it proved that we are no longer in.
It hasn't been since 1861, young man.
Yeah, and Chris, I want to thank you for coming on.
I want to thank the other fellow that Eddie put on just a moment ago.
Powerful testimony.
Then I want to say something out there to all of you idiots.
All of the idiots out there, Eddie, that said that the blacks had it so bad in the civil rights movement.
I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to hear it.
They had the government on their side.
They had the government on their side.
They had the entire media on their side.
I'll tell you who we have on our side.
Nobody but each other.
You can't depend on the Constitution.
You can't depend on the Constitution.
You can't depend on the president.
You can't depend on the police to us in God.
We have each other and the Lord.
That's it.
Eddie?
Get this.
After we were driven out of the park, the people who had the permit, guess what?
One of our people came back, Simon, you know Simon all too well.
He came back 13 minutes after we were driven out of the park.
Guess where the NFI there?
They were still there in the park and still in the area.
They were around like having a holiday.
Yeah, yeah, the police weren't arresting the people that were guilty of the violence.
They arrested the people who had the permit and were there to peacefully assemble.
I want to give Keith the last word this second.
He hadn't had a chance this second to chime in.
James, this kid here, I wish you could see if you'd cry your eyes up.
They look like they're 16 years old, man.
Anyway, I'm getting them up.
I appreciate you putting them on.
That was very powerful.
Two unexpected guests tonight to give a first-hand account.
And Keith, to you, and then we'll go back to Eddie at the top of the next hour.
Eddie, it's like the Battle of Newmarket where Breckinridge, who had run for president against Lincoln, came in fourth, commanded a group of Virginia Military Institute cadets aged about 14 and 15 and defeated the Yankees at the Battle of Newmarket in 1864 in the Shenandoah Valley.
This seems to be a replay of that.
But let me tell you, the bad guys, it wasn't saying the Bible, woe to him who calls good, evil, and evil good.
The news media has you guys as the evildoers.
You're seeing now exactly what I've told you about the civil rights movement.
The news media controls the perceptions.
And the news media, there is no difference between Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN and ABC, NBC, CBS.
They all are lined up.
It's like they all got the same memo and talking points at the beginning of the day about this thing.
We know what happened.
We know that you heard it in there.
There was a court order, apparently, or some type of order saying not to be in Lee Park.
Well, you were telling us that all the anti-power in Lee Park, they should have been arrested because they're in violation of the law.
But of course, we know that the local government was in the pocket of the leftists.
And thank goodness for stout-hearted men like you and your friends.
Well, we're going to get back to you at the top of the second hour, Eddie.
Set tight.
Next segment, last segment of the first hour, we're going to Evan McLaren, the executive director of the National Policy Institute, Richard Spencer's top lieutenant there at NPI.
He's going to be speaking for Richard tonight.
And we've got a lot to talk to Evan about.
So stay tuned, Evan McLaren, up next as our coverage of United Right continues on the political cesspool.
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Richard, of course, in light of the circumstances that unfolded, is busy preparing for a press conference with Jason Kessler that'll be held live this evening.
We'll be starting any minute if it's not underway already.
We have, though, Evan McLaren, Richard's top lieutenant at the National Policy Institute.
Evan is the newly minted executive director of NPI.
Evan, lots to go over with you.
Thanks for calling in, my friend.
Let's see first.
Well, it's always my pleasure and always good to talk to you.
What is, I guess, your and or NPI's official reaction to the situation with the permit, the federal injunction, and the declaration of unlawful assembly today, the actions, in other words, taken by local law enforcement and government.
Well, I think we all agree that the actions taken by local law enforcement and the government were, in effect, fake law.
It struck us as unlawful.
We had a permit.
We had the permit vindicated in federal court.
And observing the activities that unfolded today, it seemed quite obvious that the plan by law enforcement from the beginning was not to permit us to speak, instead to simply corral us into a small area of the park to which we had the entire park permitted to us, but they only put us in a small area.
They didn't effectively protect us from protesters at the beginning and instead waited to deploy riot police against us and not the protesters.
And when they did so, they pushed us out into the front.
So they had no intent from the beginning of honoring the court decision.
Well, Evan, let me ask you about that.
How could they?
I guess lawfully they can't, but do you have any idea as to what the reasoning would be for their declaration of unlawful assembly in light of the fact that not only did Jason Kessler in the United the Right have a permit, that permit was upheld and enforced just last night by a federal judge?
So how did the unlawful assembly order come down?
I can only speculate.
And at this point, we're still gathering details.
I'm not even sure exactly from where that order arose, whether it came from the governor or whether it came from a court somewhere.
Well, Evan, this is Keith Alexander.
I think that there's probably a contempt of court charge here against the mayor and against the police chief for disobeying the order of a federal judge.
Or perhaps rather there should be.
I guess, again, we don't know, and we will get that information again.
We're not going on the air a week after the fact or going on the air just a couple of hours after the fact.
So everything is still unfolding.
Evan, can you speak to us about the treatment that Richard Spencer experienced?
I think many of us probably saw his live video stream in which he very bravely stood his ground and said he would not resist the police, but that he was not going to move.
He was not ultimately arrested, but it looked as though he may have been roughed up a little bit.
Is that accurate?
Yeah, I think that is accurate.
I was with him.
I was arrested early on.
The decision, Richard took the lead, but the decision was a group one to simply stay.
We were not going to leave.
We had the right to be there.
So the riot line formed, the riot police, and some of us were pushed out.
That was what happened to Richard.
I was knocked down and arrested right away.
And that turned out to be the safer course for me because Richard and the others were pushed out into the crowd.
They had to flee through Antifa and had things thrown at them, were attacked.
So it was a very dangerous situation.
I mean, the police did much less than fail to do their jobs.
They did the opposite of their job.
And they put us in danger.
And to the question that you asked earlier, I mean, I asked you if this is what can happen, then really what is the state of the First Amendment?
What is the state of the Constitution in this country?
It's very much in question right now.
It exists only for the protection of leftist thought.
That's what it's given.
I will tell you that today will be a day in which we'll live in infamy.
Well, we'll live in infamy for sure, but there is a fork in the road, and the decision that will be made upon which path to embark will have ramifications that will go far into the future.
And it did look as though police were actively kicking our participants, not having kicked you and Richard.
What do you anticipate?
Again, I know that there hasn't been enough time for everyone to collect their thoughts and come together and put forth a definite plan of action.
But what do you anticipate the response from the alt-right at large will be to this?
Certainly it won't be to go back into the far reaches of the internet.
But could you speculate as to what that may be, Evan?
No, I don't think there's any putting the toothpaste back in the tube.
We showed our faces last night.
The people who turned out last night, they were not just willing to put their faces out there and put their reputations on the line.
That's exactly what they wanted to do.
They wanted to send a signal that they stood up at the critical moment for our people.
And that's not going away.
So as far as particulars, we're still working that out and discussing that.
But in general, the path is very clear and it's forward.
And this is, you know, we are the tip of the spear of the crisis, moving into the crisis that our entire people are going to experience.
It won't escape anyone.
And we are realistic about that.
We can only go forward.
And I think that you could see a definite crackdown on our organizations and on our leaders as a result, not just of this, but this will be used as a catalyst, perhaps, to take us, advance us from mere hate groups to what they will inaccurately call perhaps even domestic terrorist groups.
Because, of course, you've seen the media.
Evan, the media is, of course, blaming those who came on our side to peacefully assemble for the entirety of the violence.
And the people who are actually, of course, perpetrating the violence are, as Keith mentioned, being held as counter-demonstrators and nothing more or less.
Your reaction to the media's treatment of this, as predictable as that probably was, and your reaction to the president's response.
Well, the president's response was disappointing.
I think he is attempting to placate people who will never be placated.
So it is a mistake that he is making under pressure.
All he can do at this point is alienate us.
And whether or not the balance of the Republican Party wishes to admit it, we were a vital part, a vital and energetic part of his success.
I haven't been watching Fox News or media on TV.
I'm told that Fox is finding it hard to say unkind things about Antifa.
Imagine that.
But we all knew.
Evan, this is Keith Alexander.
I was monitoring all of the network news.
And basically, Antifa and Black Lives Matter has not escaped the lips of any commentator I've heard yet with MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS.
In fact, this is the exact mirror opposite of the template that they used in the civil rights movement.
Back then, the demonstrators were the pure and holy ones and the police were the villains.
Now it's been totally switched around and the counter-demonstrators are just basically this anonymous group of people.
They're not being identified as the primary antagonists and provocateurs of all the violence that occurred.
Yes, I mean, I think that we always knew that this honeymoon would come to an end sooner or later.
We had a nice ride with maybe the mainstream elements of, say, the conservative movement.
But in reality, that was great from the beginning.
We all knew it.
And, you know, now the question now, the question for the near term is whether we got enough of the handwriting on the wall, whether we made enough of an impression on the national consciousness of our people for enough people to say no,
even though the trust in the mainstream media has dipped so low that I think we will bring a lot of people with us through these difficulties.
I think certainly, even though the event didn't go off as it had been planned, to say the least, I still think it was vitally important that our people show up today.
That today, whatever happened today is still going to be a net gain in the long run, and we will just have to adapt and be nimble and play this accordingly and respond to the situation.
But the fact that we were there, I don't regret it.
I'm sure no one regrets that having happened.
Evan, we're about to run out of time.
What does the rest of the night look like for you?
And what does next week look like for you and the other principals there at the National Policy Institute?
Well, I just started at the National Policy Institute, and it's been an eventful beginning to a job at least.
Tonight, we'll be talking over what happened today, and we'll be forming a response to go forward.
Ideally, the next week is going to be a little bit boring for me.
My role at MPI is to take care of a lot of the business details that perhaps are less fascinating to someone with a visionary mind and kind of an essential spirit.
And that's good.
That means that our movement is growing and professionalizing.
Professionalizing.
Yep.
Well, let me say this, Evan.
Based on Berkeley and Charlottesville, one thing should be obvious to our opponents, and that's that Antifa and Black Lives Matter can handle you guys.
They're going to have to bring in heavier artillery than that if they want to shut down your protests because those groups just can't be, you know, it's like putting a weltweight into the ring with a heavyweight.
Evan, last question.
Will Richard be giving a press conference tonight?
Is that accurate or is that going to be postponed?
I, you know, I'm here at ground zero, as it were, with Richard and actually learned about the press conference from Twitter.
So I won't, I'm not saying that it's not occurring tonight, but we are about to go and hash out those details and decide what we're doing going forward.
We want to get this message.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Last word.
Go.
Well, we want to get this message right.
As far as last words, listen, we are all focused on the challenges of the last 12 or so hours.
But honestly, what I take from this weekend is the inspiration of seeing all of our people out formed.