Oct. 11, 2014 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome back to the second hour of tonight's live broadcast of the Political Cesspool Radio Program.
It is Saturday evening, October the 11th.
Nothing quite goes according to plan when you are live and on the air, as we are this evening.
Richard Spencer, our first hour guest, has spilled over into the second hour, which was originally reserved for Jared Taylor as we continue to march through a chronological path of the NPI conference, the European Congress in Budapest, Hungary.
And we're going to get to Jared in just a moment.
We know that he's on the line with us now.
But first, we want to wrap up with Richard, and we don't want to leave any stone unturned.
We've worked all the way up to his imprisonment in Hungary for three days.
And Richard, right before that last very extended commercial break, I had rather posed to you a question from our mutual friend Alex Kurtig who asked, what kind of questions were you asked during your interrogation and how did they manage to detain you for an entire 72 hours?
Well, to answer the second question first, as I mentioned, I was actually not arrested for some time.
I was not arrested for, gosh, probably around eight hours or so, because this happened after 9 p.m.
And so from about, you know, let's say 10 to 8 and 8 o'clock in the morning or thereabouts, I was effectively captured without being arrested and without being told why I was being captured and held, where I was going.
And so that, you know, effectively the police can just do that.
It's really, they're obviously, you know, using force to do that.
So I think, you know, how could they do that?
It's obvious.
They simply did it.
In terms of interrogation, you know, I was, you know, as I said, I went through sleep deprivation and a lot of bright life of current ventures.
It's probably the best way of describing it.
But they did not actually want to get a lot of information out of me.
They seemed to kind of work me over and then not ask me too many questions.
When I was speaking with the officer who did speak English, they actually were most interested in whether I knew Alexander Dugan.
And my guess is that I think that American racism, so-called, might have caused a controversy amongst the media and maybe even amongst some average Hungarian citizens.
But I think with the ongoing civil war and tragedy in Ukraine, I think the government was actually very interested in the Dugin question.
And so those are some of the few questions that were asked of me.
And I should probably just mention this since I just touched on the topic.
Dugin was actually threatened with arrest by the government.
The government went to their counterparts in Russia and told him that Dugan would be not allowed in the country.
He would be arrested at the airport.
And the same thing was told to Philippe Bardon in France.
So, you know, we have a situation where a government is, you know, capturing and arresting people.
They're threatening foreign scholars with arrest at the airport.
You know, again, this is the hungry of Victor Urban.
It's not the hungry of Bella Kuhn.
If I'd been a dissident at another time, I might have been thrown into the Danube or something like that.
But nevertheless, the intimidation is real.
And I don't think we should ever forget that.
There are people in governments who do not want to allow us to speak.
Well, I mean, certainly that's true.
And obviously, that was in play last weekend.
And we're going to segue very quickly into Jared Taylor, who played a leading role in the salvaging of the NPI's European Congress after your unfortunate arrest and detainment.
And of course, you're mentioning Alexander Dukin here, and it should be mentioned to folks here that he is a political theorist in Russia with ties to the Kremlin, I guess you could say, but by no means a criminal in his own right other than having the audacity to think.
But Richard, were you ever in fear that your arrest or detainment would be indefinite, that you would be there longer than a matter of a couple of days, that you would be mistreated in a way that is perhaps unimaginable?
I did fear that for a little bit, but sometimes I got the sense fairly early on that the police were not interested in that and that the extent of what I would suffer would be a massive inconvenience.
And to be honest, in a way, what I was thinking about was this conference needs to go on.
And I was thinking, we've got to do it now more than ever.
We have to prove that we can do this.
We have all these people here.
We need to meet.
And I had obviously no connection to the outside world.
I was incommunicado.
And when I got back, and I think I first learned about it on Sunday morning, but when I first read email about that the conference had taken place, that Jared and a lot of other people who helped Jared, who I can't mention, that they really just stepped up and they said, you know, one man's down.
That's all right.
We're going to go forward.
It was really inspiring.
I mean, I was moved that I have friends and colleagues out there.
Well, we're going to learn from Jared after this next commercial break exactly what happened.
Perhaps you can learn with us, Richard, what happened.
I'm sure you already know, but what happened in the conference that you couldn't attend because of your arrest.
But you obviously did make it safely back home to the United States, and you were there as we speak right now, and you're on the line with us live from your home.
And we're all thankful for that.
What was it like when you were finally released?
What was the experience there?
Well, it was actually quite funny.
I was taken to the airport.
And I should back up a little bit before that.
As I mentioned, I did not have my passport, and all of my stuff was actually in a hotel.
And a friend of mine, who I hadn't been able to contact, learned of everything, and he actually brought my passport and my computer to the hotel.
And when that happened, I was also immensely grateful for his willingness to do that.
So anyway, I had my passport.
I was still wearing the same things that I wore on Friday.
While I was in prison, I was wearing some of their really tasteful and fashionable garments that they provide for you.
No doubt.
But yeah.
But anyway, so I was wearing, it was on, I guess it was Monday morning, and I was basically taken by immigration authorities and the police to the airplane.
And so we were walking around the airport with this tail.
They were surrounding a kind of overdressed young man who was actually talking with the immigration authorities.
You know, a lot of you do find people in the bureaucracies who actually do sympathize with you, and they understand what is being done to you, and they understand that it's out of their hands.
And I think they understand that what they're doing is wrong.
So I actually did, you know, visit with some bureaucrats who completely sympathize with my case.
And I know that we heard, excuse me, Richard, but police officers as well, even during the night of your arrest, sympathized with those who were being oppressed, those amongst our company.
But long story short, Richard did make it back home safely.
We're going to transition to Jared Taylor after this break and pick up there.
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Ladies and gentlemen, you'll have to excuse me.
I'm actually in the process of texting Richard Spencer as I come back onto the air live this evening, thanking him for his contributions to tonight's broadcast.
We shared with Richard a chronological trek from the original idea of the National Policy Institute's European Congress all the way through the trials and tribulations of said conference and Richard's arrest.
Now, we will continue with perhaps a perspective that even Richard himself was not able to experience, and that is from the perspective of our good friend Jared Taylor, the editor of American Renaissance magazine.
Jared, thanks so much for making yourself available to our audience this evening.
It's always a pleasure, James.
I'm glad to be on your program.
Tonight, more than ever, tonight, perhaps more important than ever, because with what had befallen Richard and the role you played in the salvaging of the European Congress, this is a story that we're very interested in.
As I shared with Richard, we spent two hours last week on the live broadcast of the Political Cess Pool speaking with Paul Fromm and Sam Dixon, respectively, about their thoughts and takes on the conference.
But you were a man who stepped into a leadership role.
Originally, you had been scheduled to be one of the premier speakers of the conference.
Little did you know that by the time you landed in Budapest that you would be its de facto organizer.
That's correct.
I showed up in Budapest four days early, looking forward to a leisurely period of tourism.
I didn't get that opportunity.
Before I had even gotten on the plane, I realized that there was a certain amount of government disapproval of the conference.
But as it happened, the very day I got on the plane, in the airport, somebody sent me a message saying that the government had decided to forbid the conference.
Well, I figured I'd get on the airplane anyway, and we'd do our best to pull off a conference.
But for some days before that, we realized that there was tremendous pressure on the conference.
The government had said that they disapproved of it.
Now, I knew that there were people on the ground in Budapest, and I assumed that they were busily looking for an alternative, an alternate venue, if the place they'd contracted with had canceled.
When I got to Budapest, to my absolute astonishment, I discovered that nobody had done a thing, that the place had, in fact, canceled.
But the people who were involved, presumably, in Budapest, had not lifted a finger to find a new place.
They just all headed for the high grass.
I suppose there was a certain amount of Plausibility in that insofar as they were subject to Hungarian law in a way that I, of course, as an American, am not.
So instead of doing tourism, it was my job to find an alternate alternate venue.
And this, in a country where I don't speak the language.
Well, the conference was big news by then, the fact that it had been banned.
And so I decided that rather than get on the phone and talk to venues in English, trying to drum up a last-minute meeting for 70 or 80 people, I would wait one day for a fellow that I knew who was coming in also early who could speak Hungarian.
He's an Hungarian-American.
And so I had him make the calls.
So we phoned up a bunch of places, and then we found one that sounded good and went out to take a look at it and signed it up.
So that was done.
And then Richard showed up the next day.
So I was very pleased.
I thought that my job was done.
We had a venue.
He was there.
He could take over.
Well, lo and behold, the second night he's there, he gets arrested.
Well, we then were really in a we had a problem on our hands because we had to decide what we were going to do.
And there was some consideration of just completely pulling the plug, telling everybody, well, look, it's over, the conference has been decapitated.
But we had the venue.
And so I thought, well, okay, there are a couple of possibilities.
I could just send email messages to people who I knew were absolutely solid, and I knew they would not divulge the location.
But I looked through the list of people who were there, and that was only about two dozen folks.
So I could say, okay, we're meeting at spot X, and we would have dinner with two dozen people we already knew.
That would have been a real failure.
And so I risked, I thought, really complete catastrophe by sending an email notice out to everybody who had registered and telling them about a redirection point.
You know how redirection points work?
The idea on that is that instead of telling people the exact locale, you tell them, okay, we're going to meet at spot X.
Then we all walk together to the actual venue.
That way, if there's a spy in the group, then he doesn't have an opportunity to tip the police off ahead of time.
And the police would have had to come only after we were all already there.
Now, what I was saying.
Let me pause you right there, Jared, if I can.
How utterly ridiculous that this be a course of action that was needed to be taken.
That I've used this term so many times over the course of the last two weeks, but that scholars and academics gathering together in peaceful assembly to exchange ideas be forced to undergo actions that drug dealers would have to take, for instance.
I know.
I mean, that is an absolute abomination.
Yes, yes.
It's an outrage.
But we had to at least let people know what we were doing 24 hours before they had to do something.
And so rather than tell them go to restaurant X, which I had signed up, I told them go to spot Y, and then we were all to walk from there.
Now, how the question arises, how did the police know where Spencer was on the evening they arrested him?
Perhaps he went into that.
But as you probably know, he had sent out an email message to people saying, well, I expect to be in thus and such a place Friday night.
Let's come and have a drink.
Well, my assumption is that somebody on that list tipped off the police.
That's the only way they would have known where he was.
Now, it was the very same list that I was informing as to where the redirection point was.
So I assumed that there was an excellent chance somebody would tell the police about the redirection point.
So the way we did it was I sent email messages to the two dozen people that we knew were rock solid, and they went directly to the restaurant.
Then I told everybody else, go to the redirection point.
And then I also sent a very trusted, capable guy whose name I don't wish to mention over the air.
I sent him to the redirection point to make to size up the situation.
Obviously, if there were 40 police at the redirection point, then he was to head for the high grass himself or just come straight to the restaurant.
And the rest of them, we just have to fend, they just have to fend for themselves.
Well, he sized up the situation.
There were no obvious police at the redirection point.
And I had told him, if there are no police, bring everybody in.
Now, if there's a spy and he finds out where the place is and calls up the police, well, then the police will have the embarrassment of breaking up dinner for 75 middle-aged men and looking like fools while at least 20 of the people in the audience film their brutal, heavy-handed tactics on their cell phones.
And you have to laugh because it is so utterly absurd.
The situation with which you were faced is so absurd.
It defies logic.
It's almost a comedy if it had not been with people that we know and love.
That's right.
And with that, there's our hold it right there, my friend.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but we are coming up on a commercial break.
We're going to pick it up right there as we continue to follow everything in a chronological order tonight.
Nothing bigger in our world, in our orbit, than the MPI's European Congress.
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We're spending two hours again tonight talking about it.
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We're so fortunate tonight, ladies and gentlemen, to have with us as our live guests this evening Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute, who is with us for the first hour and change of tonight's live broadcast.
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Jared took a leading role in the conference after its lead organizers, Richard Spencer and Bill Regnery of the Regnery Publishing House, were arrested and expelled from Hungary.
And so, Jared, as we continue to march a chronological path this evening, you were getting us to the point where, as if you were common criminals, you know, you are nothing more, nothing less than mild-mannered, law-abiding scholars and academics seeking to peaceably assemble to exchange ideas in a very healthy and normal fashion.
But you had to create a redirection point from which people would go to the final location of the conference, which had come under international condemnation and certainly condemnation from the very highest reaches of the Hungarian government, its prime minister.
So that's where we are as the story continues.
Jared, take it from there.
Well, to recapitulate the risks we were running, in order to tell all the registrants that we were continuing and to tell them where to go, I had to send messages, email messages, to the people that Richard Spencer had sent messages to the Friday when he was arrested.
So I thought that there was a very, very good chance that there would be a spy in that list.
There was a very good chance that either the police would be at the redirection point and arrest everybody who showed up or chase them all away, or that a mole would follow the guide to the actual venue and once there, then call the police who would break things up.
So I packed a toothbrush and a change of clothes because I thought there was a very, very good chance that I was going to be arrested.
I was in fact breaking Hungarian law by being in the country.
They had specifically said all scheduled speakers would be denied access to the country, and if found within the territory of Hungary, they would be deported.
So I thought there was a first-rate chance that what had happened to Richard Spencer on Friday evening was going to happen to me Saturday evening.
But that was a risk that I was prepared to run in order to do whatever it took to try to pull off a conference.
Well, as it turned out, there were no police at the redirection point, and although I was nervous for the first 20 minutes or so, expecting the police to show up at any point, they never did.
So we had a very successful truncated conference, only two speakers.
But you can imagine the kind of spirit and the camaraderie we all had of actually having met and pulled that off.
Now, I will give you a theory as to why there were no police at the redirection point and why nobody got bothered or harassed or arrested after we arrived at the restaurant.
And my theory is this.
I don't know how Richard Spencer described the behavior of the police when they came to the bar to arrest him.
But I've heard from a number of people that when they walked in, they looked around with surprise on their faces, acting as if they'd come to the wrong place.
And the speculation is that they were expecting people with swastikas tattooed into their foreheads, armed with chains and billy clubs and knuckle dusters.
And here they found perfectly ordinary, well-dressed, well-behaved people.
They were surprised.
So my guess, my guess is that the police, in fact, did know where we were.
They did know where we were meeting.
They knew all about the redirection point.
But I think some cooler head in the Interior Ministry had decided, okay, we have made our point.
We have arrested the two ringleaders.
Go ahead and let these guys have their dinner.
We will just look like fools if we go even further on this.
That's my suspicion.
I don't think we fooled the police.
I think they finally realized they were making fools of themselves, and that's why we got away with it.
But I will probably never know the answer to that question, but that's my suspicion.
Well, it's a very good hypothesis, Jared.
In fact, Paul Fromm last week, as he was on the line with us live from Budapest, it was 2 or 3 in the morning a.m. his time when he joined us.
But he was breaking down this from his eyewitness perspective.
Obviously, back then, we didn't have the full details as we do now.
We knew that Richard had been taken away.
We didn't know his whereabouts or how he was being treated.
Obviously, all that has been resolved.
But Paul Fromm hypothesized that he figured as much as you have that the police expected to walk in on the caricature.
You know, certainly the caricature in the establishment media is that anyone, any European or European American who doesn't hate himself, must therefore be a jack-booted thug.
You know, must be the Nazi that we've all seen portrayed on television so many times before.
But obviously that is not the case, and we dispel that myth each and every night here on this program, and as you do in your work, and as so many other thoughtful, well-reasoned people do.
But the atmosphere of the conference, let's get to that.
After it was being held, and I know that you and former Croatian diplomat Tomislav Sunic, who has been a guest on our program, who I've spent a great deal of time with over the years.
Tom Sunich, you were the two speakers who were allowed to, I guess, break through the iron curtain, if you will.
What was the atmosphere?
Once the gathering had occurred, once the redirection point had played itself out, and once everyone was in the meeting space, what was the atmosphere?
Was it an atmosphere filled with fierce defiance and encouragement, or was it one filled with attention and apprehension?
No, it was one of great joy and camaraderie and a feeling of victory that we pulled this off.
It was, as you can imagine, after all that we had gone through, having at least a chance to meet, get to know each other, listen to a few speakers.
Yes, we felt as though we'd really pulled this out of the bank.
It was really, really a great feeling, and it's too bad that Richard wasn't there to enjoy it.
Now, I think some people doubtless felt a little bit short-changed because they were expecting a conference of about a dozen speakers, and there were only two left to do the speaking.
Now, I must salute Tom Sunik for being there, because in some respects, he had the most to lose of all the speakers for coming in.
If he had been arrested, it's very, very awkward to have been arrested in a neighboring country, and he would have lost travel opportunity to the Schengen countries.
I suppose Richard explained that.
He's banned for three years for traveling in most of Western Europe.
No, actually.
Yes, go ahead.
No, I should.
I should say, Jared, actually, that was one of the few things we didn't get a chance to speak with Richard about.
He is banned.
And I'm glad you brought that up.
There was so much to cover tonight.
But Richard Spencer and Bill Regnery banned three years, basically, for all intents and purposes, from Europe.
I mean, you're talking about these countries that are a part of this pact, but that is basically all of Europe except for Great Britain and Ireland, if I'm not mistaken.
So basically, all of Europe they are banned from for three years.
If this has happened to Tom Sunich, who lives in Europe, this would have posed a great hardship.
Yes, yes.
It would have been a terrible thing for him.
But, no, he came, and I think, as I say, he had the most to lose under those circumstances.
But so he spoke, and I spoke, and as you can imagine, everyone was delighted to be there and delighted to hear us.
Now, there's something else that I would like to describe, and that is, on Sunday, people had signed up.
This is the day after the conference day meeting on Saturday.
People had signed up for walking tours in Budapest.
Now, we had no information as to how to meet or where to meet for these walking tours.
So all of Sunday's activities basically had evaporated.
Richard, who knew all about that, was in jail and incommunicado.
So one fellow, an enterprising young American, stepped forward and said, well, okay, what we should all do is meet at a particular place in Budapest, and we can sort of organize our own walking tours.
And so Late that night, I sent out an email message making that very point.
And also, we agreed to meet at a particular bar after about 7 p.m.
So, the conference continued in that respect in an informal way.
About 40 or 50 people met at a place called Heroes Square.
I don't think he chose that location by pure accident.
Very appropriately.
Very appropriately named.
Heroes Square.
Okay, well, let's pause with Heroes Square and we'll get back with that.
And then I want to focus on Jared's speech as well in the last remaining segment we have this evening.
Stay tuned, everybody.
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Folks, when we get into the third hour, in just a few minutes from now, we're going to transition into a lot of other stories that we've been tracking this week.
But we've spent the first two hours of tonight's broadcast, as we did the first two hours of last week's broadcast, dedicated to the NPI's European Congress, and not one minute has been wasted.
We are all the way up to the point in tonight's story at which Jared Taylor tells us about the meeting at Heroes Square.
And as Jared was mentioning before the last commercial break there in Budapest, Jared, rather Richard Spencer had planned a walking tour of Budapest for the conferees of the European Congress at Heroes Square the day after the Congress was to conclude.
Obviously, it didn't go quite according to plan.
Jared's going to fill us in on the rest.
Yes, there were a number of tours that had been planned with actual guides who could tell us all about it.
But because Richard was in jail, nobody knew where to meet or what to do about that.
So this guy volunteered to just have everybody gather at a particular place, which we all did.
And we went off on various walking tours of our own.
And also, we all met at a bar afterwards, beginning at about 7 p.m.
And I don't know how long the younger fellows stayed up, but when I left at about 11 o'clock, the fellowship was still going strong.
So instead of just sitting in our hotel rooms or touring on our own on Sunday after the conference, we continued the kind of camaraderie and fellowship that, as you know, is such an important part of meetings of this kind.
And I wish I had thought of proposing that, but I hadn't thought about that.
And it was this young American who put this all together.
And once I made the proposal, everybody was glad to do that, in effect, to continue the conference the next day.
So that was a real highlight, and I'm delighted to have been able to at least send the email to the people to make the announcement on that.
Well, as you mentioned, Jared, the fellowship and the encouragement that can be drawn from being in the company of like-minded individuals is something that not only could not be discounted, but is absolutely the highlight of any of these events.
You know, certainly the speakers are a draw, and all of the other assorted activities are something that you want to come and be part of.
But I mean, we've been through enough of these together to know what it's all about.
And I guess I've lost count of the number of times that you and I have shared each other's company.
But I remember one most specifically since the NPI is the focal point of our discussion tonight.
And that was, I think I mentioned it at the beginning of the first hour, the NPI's conference in Washington a few years ago during which me and you and Richard had shared the podium at the National Press Club.
I remember sharing a very spirited conversation with you later that evening at the Henley Park Hotel there in Washington, D.C.
And it's just, I mean, that is really the star draw of any of these gatherings is to be able to meet and greet and share ideas.
And So that still occurred in Hungary despite the best efforts of the international media and the Hungarian government.
Yes, that's exactly right.
And so all of us involved in salvaging the conference in that respect were absolutely delighted with the result.
So in a way, it was really the best possible result.
We had all of this worldwide attention thanks to the fact of the cancellation and the arrest and all that.
And at the same time, we did have an abbreviated conference, but we had what is really, as you say, the best part of it all.
At the American Renaissance conferences, as I like to tell the people, we do our best to get an absolutely first-rate lineup of speakers.
But what really makes a conference a conference is the fact that we can all get together.
That's the main thing.
And so really, the speakers are kind of a pretext.
Well, I'd like to think that if you're in the lineup or if I'm in the lineup, it's more than just a pretext, but it is just an occasion for people to get together and have a great time and to be among folks who see the world with open eyes rather than squinting and one-eyed the way the rest of the country is.
Well, and I want to ask you about that, Jared, because, you know, talking about the speakers, and I want to talk to you, we're running out of time, as it always seems we do here on commercial radio, but I want to ask you before the hour closes, and it's very important, your thoughts on the future prospects of racially aware European Americans to be able to speak and think and assemble both here in America and abroad.
But speaking of the speakers, which is the draw, I guess, to these conferences, even if we all know we're gathering or coming together for the fellowship, you gave, though, what I saw, and it's been posted all over the place, but I saw it at Kevin McDonald's website, a very emotional speech, one that I guess tugged on the heartstrings.
What was it like to be a part of a gathering that had been under so much duress and to be able to address that gathering?
Because I saw the emotion in your voice.
I saw the trembling in your voice.
And it was something that certainly stirred my inner soul.
What was it like to have been there and to address that crowd?
I have this terrible weakness.
When I start talking about our people and what's at stake, I really have to struggle to control my emotions.
But I concluded this talk by saying that the crisis is not so clear and the lines are not so firmly drawn, but that for our generation, what is happening now is thermopyla.
It's poitier.
It's the siege of Vienna.
It's the Battle of Blood River.
We are fighting for our lives.
And to be able to convey that message to a band of brothers from all around the white world was really a very moving experience for me.
And it was a very well-received message, I must say.
The title of my talk was Towards a World Brotherhood of Europeans.
And my point of departure, of course, was that, okay, I'm an American.
I'm about as American as it's possible to be.
The first Taylor showed up in 1635.
So we've been here a long time.
But we are Europeans.
Everything about us is European.
And you can be from New Zealand.
You can be from South Africa.
We are all brothers.
And so I really got emotional in my appeal to this band of brothers we have, really from all around the world, whose destiny is all bound up together.
Well, it was stirring for me to have watched it over the internet.
To have been there, I'm sure, would have been much more poignant.
But let me ask you this, Jared.
And I appreciate you sharing with us your feelings on that question.
We've both been part of canceled conferences here in the United States.
Obviously, in Europe, in those countries, they don't have the same types of laws that we do here.
But what do you feel as though is the prospect for our people?
And that would be racially aware whites, being able to speak, think, and assemble freely in America and abroad going forward.
Will it get worse before it gets better?
Should we all steal ourselves here as Americans to suffer the fate of Richard Spencer?
Or in terms of Europe, you know, perhaps, I don't know, an Ernst Zundel, for instance.
Is that what we need to expect before it gets better?
I don't think so, really.
We may have our ups and we may have our downs, but I think that the Hungarian government is eventually going to have seemed to have acted very foolishly.
They got a real black eye in this thing.
They thought that we were going to be a bunch of violent, crazy people, and it turned out that we are not at all anything like that.
Also, what encourages me is the number of young fellows that I meet from all around our European brethren who understand, who are completely sane, who know more, who know more at age 25 than I did when I was 45.
I think there is just an extraordinary growth in consciousness.
And these people, they are smart, they are dedicated, and no matter what the governments do, they will find a way to meet.
They will find a way to get their ideas across.
I see nothing but progress ahead.
Well, I certainly hope to share in that progress with you.
And certainly, if it weren't for those torchkeepers who are keeping the embers burning here in America and abroad, in our motherlands, the countries across Europe, from Scandinavia down to Italy, the length and width of that mother continent.
If it weren't for those few who are doing the good work, we would be much further down the road of destruction than we are now.
And certainly the days are bleak.
I mean, there's things that we can certainly be very depressed about, but there are also things from which we can draw much encouragement and inspiration.
And I appreciate you, my friend, for playing a role in that encouragement and inspiration, along with Richard Spencer, our guest for the first hour.
It was, I think, certainly a victory for our people and for the basic freedoms that we wish everyone to be able to share in, that you persevered.
And I only wish I could have been there to play a role in that success.
But I'm glad that we're able to talk about it tonight.
Yes, so am I.
And thanks, as always, for having me on your program.
And thanks to you personally, James, for all the good work that you do, all the great work that you do.
Well, Jared, coming from you, that is high compliment and praise indeed.
And I take that to heart and I'll treasure it.
And I'll look forward already to our next meeting, whether it be on the radio airwaves or in person.
I'm sure both are likely to occur soon.
And it'll be my pleasure.
Thank you, Jared Taylor.
My pleasure indeed.
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