Dec. 17, 2011 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome to the Political Cesspool, known worldwide as the South's foremost populous radio program.
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All right, everybody, and welcome back to the Political Cesspool Radio Program.
I'm your host, James Edwards.
It's Saturday evening, December 17th, and we're here live with you tonight on AM 1380 WLRM Radio in downtown Memphis, Tennessee.
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As so many people do.
I was reading emails from around the world in the first hour, from Sweden and Georgia, these two were, respectively.
We're grateful to have all of our fans.
I want to make one more quick announcement before we bring Keith back on.
Keith was a little late getting into work tonight, so he's staying a little late, at least one more segment.
And we're going to wrap things up with Keith.
I want to remind you that we will have a rebroadcast next week.
The only time we do it during the year is during the Christmas week of Christmas or Christmas Eve in this case happens to fall on Saturday night.
And this year it does.
And so we'll be off, but you can still tune in at the same time and hear a classic rebroadcast of one of your favorite Cesspool episodes.
More about that later.
Before Keith has to leave us again, I want to revisit a very enthralling conversation that we were having.
Debate, I guess you will.
And yes, even those of us here in the Political Cesspool staple of hosts debate one another from time to time.
We don't always agree right down the line.
And of course, I'm voting for Ron Paul for many, many reasons.
And I encourage everyone listening to this broadcast to vote for Ron Paul.
Coming up in just a couple of segments, we're going to handicap Ron Paul's chances from a very astute political grassroots activist.
And I think you're going to be interested to hear what he has to say about how he feels his chances are.
And this guy we're bringing on, let me tell you this, he certainly has a much better track record of predicting winning candidates or predicting the outcome of certain races than, say, Dick Morris does and people of that ilk.
So you're not going to want to miss or discount what this fellow has to say coming up in just a minute.
But Keith and I were talking about Ron Paul in the last segment, pros and cons.
And Keith said basically that the problem with Ron Paul is that if we get Ron Paul in there, he's going to dismantle a lot of these unconstitutional government agencies.
And when he does so, that's going to leave in place the status quo.
And so what Keith was saying is it would be better to get someone in there who's going to use these institutions to turn back the hands of time and get us back to a level playing field before we dismantle them.
And I'll tell you, we had a very interesting debate during the commercial break.
And Sam Bushman, the owner of Liberty News Radio, who is in the studio tonight in Utah broadcasting this thing via satellite tonight.
And he was saying, you know, the problem with Keith's theory is that you get someone in there.
You got to keep in mind that what he is advocating is, in fact, illegal according to the Constitution.
Even if you got someone in there who would use these unconstitutional agencies in our favor, that's still wrong.
Wrong is never right.
Right is never wrong.
And you can't do that or then we would pass over the bridge and go into the dark side.
And listen, it's a very good point that should be answered.
And we're going to let Keith answer it right now.
Okay, James and Sam.
This is what I'm thinking about.
I'm being practical now, not theoretical.
I agree that theoretically it'd be wonderful if we had never embraced the unconstitutional approach that happened in the Civil Rights Movement where the United States federal government injected itself into all sorts of things, which according to the Constitution, it has no business being involved in.
But unfortunately, we're there.
We followed Alice's rabbit down that rabbit hole and we are definitely in never never land.
We're in the Queen of Hearts area, and that's where we are, and that's where we're going to be.
And unfortunately, where we are is a terrible place for the white race in America.
I have just been stunned recently with the extent to which affirmative action thinking has taken over corporate America and the professions in America.
Companies are running articles in our local newspaper bragging about the fact that they have such a successful affirmative action program.
And of course, a corollary to that is that they're freezing out whites, and particularly white males, from any positions of authority and influence in society.
And unfortunately, because of the government coercion that has been brought about by agencies like the EEOC, affirmative action thinking is very fashionable in America today.
And, you know, all of the Fortune 500 companies, they are 100% on board with it.
So is the government.
So are law firms.
So are hospitals.
All of these groups are.
And if we just suddenly wave a magic wand like Ron Paul wants to do, and we do away with all of this coercive federal bureaucracy like the EOC, then the status quo is frozen, and we're basically doomed as a race.
We're going to be following the same path that is being followed in South Africa and in Zimbabwe.
We're going to be dispossessed because that's already well underway at the present time.
And I've always been a great believer in following the methodology of the left because whatever else you can say about it, it has certainly worked.
It's worked like a charm.
Who could have imagined in 1954 that gay marriage would be a reality in America at any time?
They have, you know, their methods work and we need to adopt their methods.
They wanted to change America.
We need to change America back.
We need to do away with all racial discrimination.
And unfortunately for us, the primary form of racial discrimination that exists today in America is anti-white racial discrimination and in particular, anti-white male racial discrimination.
And basically nothing will be done or can be done to remedy that situation without the use of an agency like the EOC, James.
Very, very interesting conversation indeed.
And we will just have to leave it at that, ladies and gentlemen, and let you make up your mind.
If I had to pick, I would say, you know, just because I'm that type of guy, if there's a question about how much I owe in taxes, or if I'm not sure, I make sure that I overpay, okay?
I consider myself to be like Jesse James if I go five miles over the speed limit.
You know, law and order every time.
just uh there's just something about me even if i could use these organizations in our favor what i want to knowing that it's unconstitutional i would probably side with sam bushman although practically speaking you could do a lot more in a lot less time if we just you know abducted their but to adopt their tactics we would have to adopt their morals or lack thereof and then you And then where does that leave you at the end of the day?
I don't know, but it's something our audience will have to decide.
And Keith, at the same time, very much riot on a lot of this, but it still brings us back to square one, which we got into last hour.
You know, it's all hypothetical because we don't have a candidate that says, listen, I'll use the unconstitutional EOC.
Of course, they wouldn't call it unconstitutional.
He's not saying he's going to use, there is no candidate that's going to use the EOC to do away with racial discrimination against whites.
He doesn't exist.
So we have the status quo, and then we have Ron Paul.
And listen, you know, let's do away with them.
If we can't use them in our favor, even if we wanted to, let's do away with them.
Folks, it's a very heavy debate.
Where do you stand?
Send me an email.
Let me know.
We're going to take a break and shift gears after this.
I hope you enjoyed it.
Woo, this is a fluid hour tonight.
We'll be back.
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No, not really.
Why do you say it like that?
It's just that those movie trailers are so deceptive.
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And I go to the theater.
Well, that's $7.50 I'll never see again.
Disappointed?
I'm disgusted is a better word.
Hey, I did finally find a way to know a movie's content before I go see it.
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Listen, it's not rare that I walk out of the studio a little sweaty.
I mean, you know, it's bright in here.
There's a lot of lights when you got everything turned on here in the studio.
And you do the radio show and you get into it and it's passionate and all that.
But folks, I feel like I've absolutely had a workout and we're only halfway through the program this evening.
I've already peeled off my sweater.
I'm sitting here hot and bothered.
And I tell you, it's not just because it's been so intense tonight, relatively intense.
It's because the show has just been so fluid.
So fluid.
It's, you know, there hasn't been one segment tonight that has gone as we planned it.
You know, typically, again, I say we get together during the week and we plan the show segment by segment, hour by hour, and we typically follow some sort of an agenda.
You know, again, we're always unrehearsed and unscripted and uncensored.
But tonight, not one segment has followed the charted course that we said a few days ago.
Keith comes in late.
He stays late.
And I'm so glad he came in because he really added so much depth to the show tonight, as he always does.
But I tell you, we are flying by the seat of our pants this evening.
I hope it makes for lively radio.
And I hope you're enjoying listening to it as much as I am enjoying bringing it to you tonight.
And hopefully you can kind of get into the spirit of it all and enjoy the fact that it is so frantic here.
That's the way we like it.
Speaking of rescheduling and rearranging the show as it makes its way through its scheduled time slot this evening, twice now since the show began, an hour and a half ago, I have rescheduled a certain guest who I've made mention of a couple of times already.
Originally, he was scheduled to come on at 8 o'clock Central Time.
Then I tried to move him up to 6.30.
Then I moved him to 7.30 and now here he is at about 7.20.
So let's just go ahead and get him on.
I tell you, that's just too much to keep up with.
Let's get him on.
I told you we were going to have just an absolutely outstanding grassroots political activist on the radio program tonight, making his first appearance with us.
It's a guy that I met.
Believe it or not, I've known this guy for a long, long time now.
I met him in the year 2000, the summer of 2000 it was.
We were at the Mid South Fair here in Memphis, and I was working at Pat Buchanan for President Booth.
And this gentleman who joins me on the radio program now was working a booth for the Republican Party of Shelby County here in Tennessee.
And I got to know him then.
That was 11 and a half years ago.
And since that time, we have worked together on different campaigns on the local level.
And he rejoins me tonight because he's still very much active, fresh back from a trip to New Hampshire.
He's working for Ron Paul and working on behalf of Ron Paul.
He just got back from New Hampshire, and we were sharing a conversation on the phone a couple of days ago.
And I said, listen, you know, this would make for great radio.
We're going to be covering Ron Paul tonight anyway.
Why don't you call in tonight and handicap his chances and why he very well may shock a lot of people when these primaries and caucuses begin to unfold just two weeks from now.
Bill Patterson is my guest.
You're going to enjoy listening to what he has to say.
Bill, welcome to the show.
Thanks for being so flexible tonight.
Well, thank you for having me on your show.
I am flattered.
Well, the pleasure's all mine, my friend, and it's great to have you on.
After all these years, we've known each other and worked together.
I don't know why it's taking me this long to get you on the show, but you come on tonight just in time to, I hope, buoy the spirits of the listening audience.
And I haven't polled the audience, but I think I can speak for them when I say that the majority, just judging by some of the comments that I received via email, from letters, comments on the articles at our website, I think most of the audience, most of them at least, are certainly planning to vote for Ron Paul.
Hopefully, the ones that aren't, we can change their minds.
And for those who are, we hope to buoy their spirits here heading into this crucial primary season.
Now, Bill, you called me a couple of days ago.
We were talking about Ron Paul.
You've been traveling the country working for Ron Paul, again, just back from New Hampshire.
We were talking about a recent poll, and I actually have this poll.
I actually had posted this poll to the website just a couple of days earlier in the week before you called me.
Will Ron Paul win Iowa?
A new poll out of Iowa suggests that it's very much a possibility.
The poll suggests that Ron Paul is in second place by a wide margin over Mitt Romney.
Ron Paul, one percentage point, they say, behind Newt Gingrich at this point as we sit tonight in Iowa.
You think that the news is even much better than that?
Bill, break it down why you believe that.
Well, first of all, you know, I am a political scientist and I have studied these issues.
And let's get something straight, James.
This is not a primary.
This is a caucus.
It is the Iowa caucus.
A caucus is much different from a primary.
I was going to ask you to break that down.
For the people who don't remember or perhaps never understood, the people who live outside of Iowa, it is different than when you go and vote in many of these other states.
Tell them why, Bill.
Well, the reason is in a primary, you simply drive up to the church or wherever they're having their primary.
You walk in, you punch the button, and you walk out.
In a caucus, it's like a convention.
You walk in and you spend two and a half hours arguing with people.
And you're arguing with your neighbors.
And it's a very heated contest.
And you have to make a true commitment to participate in a caucus.
Now, in the previous AIM straw poll, which is the thermometer for the Iowa caucus, Ron Paul came in second.
He lost by 152 votes out of something like 20,000 votes to Michelle Bachmann.
Who, as we know at the time, spent an insane amount of money to win that straw poll.
And since then, she hasn't really been even a blip on the radar.
So she's faded back.
Ron Paul even then had strong support in Iowa.
And now it seems as though those numbers would be holding.
And, you know, that's...
Ron Paul's numbers are always holding.
When he gets support, he keeps support.
He is not the flavor of the month.
As he said, he is the flavor of the decade.
Well, he is.
And again, as you mentioned, his supporters, as we all know, are much more rabid than that of the flavor of the week, be it Herman Kane, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, whomever.
And as they go into these Iowa caucuses, and Bill, we only have a minute left.
I want to wrap up here on Iowa before we move on to take a look at the distant forecast in the primary season.
You're saying that it is a caucus.
And the difference is that when you go in there to caucus, you argue about who you're going to support before people finally make up their minds.
It's very different than a closed ballot primary.
And they go in there and they caucus.
We know that Ron Paul has a very loyal, very sincere base of support that isn't going to be wavered by arguments.
So they're going to go in there.
And if he's polling at 21% right now, you figure that that 21% is going to be much more solid than the percentages for the other candidates.
So when they get in there, and some major pundits are beginning to call Iowa early for Ron Paul.
They say he is the one to beat in Iowa at this point, two weeks from the caucus.
Are you saying right now that you firmly believe as a political scientist, and let me tell you folks, he's not just saying that.
He's forgotten more about politics Bill Patterson has than most of us will ever know when it comes to running races.
You think Ron Paul wins Iowa, Bill?
My dear friend, I would make a bet with you except that you are a young man and you have a beautiful wife and a young child.
And I would not want to take away all your money.
Well, hey, you're supposing that I would bet against Ron Paul.
I think you're saying that Ron Paul is a shoe-in.
I would bet for Ron Paul.
I would bet my life savings.
Bill, hang on right there.
Hey, it doesn't get any more serious than that.
We've got to take a break, folks.
We're going to continue right after this.
Stay tuned.
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All right, everybody, continuing on now with a political animal.
Very much an expert of local and national races.
He's worked on both of them and calls them fairly accurately.
I hope that this won't be the exception.
Bill Patterson talking about his predictions for Ron Paul as we enter the primary season.
Bill, you said just before the last commercial break that you would bet your life savings that Ron Paul wins Iowa.
Now, before we get back to that statement, I want to read very quickly part of an article that was reprinted at the Huffington Post this week.
It talks about Ron Paul.
It says that Ron Paul is the candidate who has consistently gotten 10 times the amount of support of the various candidates who get excluded from the debates without getting much more in the way of press coverage.
He consistently outperforms John Huntsman and Rick Santorum.
Now has Bachman and Perry envying his position.
And yet, even as he's peaked, the disrespect continues.
At a recent Iowa debate, Ron Paul received only about 11 minutes of time to answer eight questions.
This, despite the fact that he was entering the night at second place in the polls.
It actually took Diane Sawyer the same amount of time to pose the questions to Ron Paul that he was allowed to answer these questions.
But Matt Dowd is one of an increasing number of political pundits who made a bold prediction on ABC's This Week some weeks ago that Ron Paul would be the only man left standing after the Iowa caucuses.
So, Bill, long story short, it's not just you that's making these predictions.
Matt Dowd is one.
There have been many others that I've seen.
You say Ron Paul is going to win Iowa.
Let's move on from there because I only have about eight minutes left with you before we got to get to the next guest.
If Ron Paul does win Iowa, and you believe that he will because, number one, he is in a statistical dead heat with Newt Gingrich and seven percentage points ahead of Mitt Romney, who was in third in Iowa, according to the most recent poll out of that state.
You're saying that despite the fact that it's 22 and 21% respectively for Gingrich and Paul, his supporters are the most rabid.
And when you get them in there at a caucus, there's little room for hanky-panky, and they're not going to be swayed.
It's much more likely that they will be able to sway others.
The third bot concern is this.
Organization.
It is not numbers.
It is organization.
I don't, if you and I were running against each other in a race in a primary and you had 80%, you could easily defeat me.
But if you and I were running in a caucus and I had 20% organized and your people just sat around in their underwear and drank beer and watched I Love Lucy returns, guess who would win?
A very good point, and that's exactly what matters in Iowa.
That is exactly what matters because Ron Paul supporters whittlestorm the gates of hell for Ron Paul.
And, Bill, the organization that you speak of so enthusiastically is much more solidified than it was even in 2008 when Ron Paul made a great effort then.
So let's say he wins Iowa.
Then you go to New Hampshire, which has had, at least at some point in its history, a reputation for selecting Maverick candidates.
Let's not forget that Pat Buchanan won New Hampshire in 1996.
If he can win.
Let's not forget that Barry Goldwater won New Hampshire in 1964.
Let's not forget that John McGovern won New Hampshire in 1972.
They are the candidate maker and breakers.
Well, and that's very much, there's a lot of truth to that.
And I'm saying, with New Hampshire's reputation, if Ron Paul wins the Iowa caucuses, which we believe that is almost likely, now let's understand the fact also that people back a winner.
That's human nature, unfortunately.
People back the guy that's winning and the guy that's got the momentum behind them.
If Ron Paul can be that guy coming out of Iowa, he goes into a Maverick state like New Hampshire.
How do you think that plays out?
Let me tell you this.
And this is a scenario.
This is an analogy that I like to tell.
Ron Paul is an airplane.
All the other candidates are like rockets.
A rocket shoots into the sky.
And then what does it do?
It falls down.
Yep.
An airplane steadily takes off and it flies.
That's what Ron Paul's campaign has been doing in every state of the Union.
Not just New Hampshire, which I spent all of my savings account in.
And I took a group of young men up there.
And when I took this group of young Tennesseans up to New Hampshire, let me tell you what I found.
I found young men from Connecticut.
I found a young lady from Texas.
I found folks from every state of the Union going up to New Hampshire to help Ron Paul and to help promote the Constitution of the United States.
It's not just Iowa.
And you mentioned that in New Hampshire, they love their freedoms.
And It makes for a great recipe for success that you have a guy like Ron Paul competing in there so relatively quickly.
But I'll tell you this, Bill, talking about the nationwide support that he has, I'm not just seeing these things and my mind isn't processing the others because I am supporting Ron Paul.
I will tell you that just driving around Memphis, I see Ron Paul bumperstickers on a daily basis.
More Ron Paul bumper.
You know, I can't even remember seeing a single bumper sticker for any of the other candidates combined here in Memphis, and I see Ron Paul stuff every day here in Memphis.
So let's say he goes into the freedom-loving state of New Hampshire, hot off a win in the Iowa caucuses, and he's able to do very well there.
Then you go down to South Carolina.
Obviously, another state.
South Carolina, sir, is the most free state, is the most states-rights state in the Union.
Dating back to 1861.
Dating back to 1861.
So you know that you've got that rich tradition in South Carolina, which would make favorable conditions for Paul.
Let's say he does well there.
Then you go to Nevada.
This is the way the primary season is.
Then you go to Florida.
Florida, I know nothing about.
So Florida may be a mixed bag.
Florida may be a mixed bag.
But let's just say in 1972, Florida went 41% for George Wallace.
Now, the demographics have changed dramatically since then, but I expect still a very fair showing for Paul in Florida, and then I expect him to win in Nevada, for which he came in second four years ago.
Second four years ago in Nevada.
You know, Nevada is a very libertarian state, as you can see on the phone.
I mean, they have legalized prostitution, for God's sake.
But not that we agree with that, but I'm just saying, as far as liberty goes, they think everything should be liberty.
They're libertarian.
And I don't know if that's the best example we could have brought to the table, but nevertheless, conditions are favorable for Paul in Nevada.
Now, we're not going to get off of our rockers and say Super Tuesday.
No, first comes Louisiana.
And Louisiana, they have a saying in Louisiana: you can be evil, you can be righteous, but you can't be boring.
Is Ron Paul boring?
I mean, for the love of God, they gave 40% to David Duke in the gubernatorial election.
Isn't it fortuitous that you get all of these interesting states in the early part of the primaries?
Now, again, I know we only have a minute left, Bill, and I wish we could keep you longer.
It goes by far too quickly.
We're going to have to have you on again before the primaries, and we can do that maybe on New Year's Eve.
But listen, you got these states.
Now, we're not going to be overzealous and say Paul is going to win in a landslide in every primary that he competes in.
But you look at Iowa, we do think he's going to win Iowa.
He's going to win.
Okay.
Then you go to New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, Florida, Louisiana.
All of these states have at least histories that would suggest that Paul is going to have a fighting shot there, if not to win, to place very strongly and to remain in this race.
You got Super Tuesday that contains his home state of Texas, Rand Paul State of Kentucky.
Let me ask you this.
We got 30 seconds.
He's going to carry Texas and Kentucky and probably Tennessee and several more.
If he does, he's going to be the nominee.
Now, that's that.
Well, let me ask.
What about vote fraud?
What about, I don't really subscribe to a lot of conspiracy theories.
I know some people do.
They're not for me.
If he did start doing a little bit too good, could we expect anything along those lines?
Oh, of course.
Of course, the most famous analysis of vote fraud was then, well, was Goldwater against Taft.
Bill, we're out of time.
I mean, can they get him with vote fraud even if the people are with him?
Or is that something we should worry about?
Don't go away.
You can't disqualify.
And at that point, we would have to go to a third party.
We got to take a break.
We're actually going to be talking about third parties next, as a matter of fact.
But listen, Bill, I'm going to have you on for part two in a couple of weeks.
Stay tuned, my brother.
God bless you.
Thanks for coming on tonight.
Great, great radio.
We'll be back, everybody.
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Told you a few minutes ago I had sweat beads accumulating on my brow.
Now it's just dripping.
Actually, Bill Patterson, after that guest.
Oh, what a firecracker.
And how right he was or how right I hope he will be as we go into the primary season.
He was handicapping Ron Paul's chances in some of the early contests.
Listen, we're not going to have to wait.
too long to figure out what kind of a prognosticator our resident political scientist is.
We're going to see how right or wrong he's going to become when the people go to caucus in Iowa and then head to New Hampshire and South Carolina just days after that.
He did say something which provided me with a great segue as we head into this segment, and that is, if Ron Paul doesn't work out, it's time to start thinking third party.
Of course, I've always been a third party man.
In fact, Ron Paul is literally the, the only Republican candidate I have ever supported.
And that being said, of course, I belong to a third party, the American Third Position.
And joining me now, if that wasn't just a perfect introduction, Bill Johnson, the chairman of the American Third Position.
Of course, we run ads for A3P all the time.
You just heard one, as a matter of fact.
And it's great to have Bill back on the show for a kind of year-in-review look at what A3P has been able to do and where we plan to go in the year to come.
Bill, welcome back to the show.
Oh, thank you very much.
Hey, thanks, Bill, for being so flexible again tonight.
As I've been saying throughout the program, it's been just very fluid tonight.
I know we're a little late getting you on, and we're going to have to cram two segments into one here before we go into the next hour.
But I want to take full advantage of every second.
First, Bill, before we start talking about the party, where do you stand as an individual with regards to Ron Paul?
I mean, certainly, even though we would be members of A3P, I think you would encourage people to go out and vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries.
Am I right or wrong?
Well, I was with Ron Paul yesterday, actually.
You can't beat that.
He taped a show with Jay Leno, so all of us got out together, and we got tickets, and we sat there and watched him, and we greeted him as he left the studios.
I've been a strong supporter of Ron Paul for many years.
We've had fundraisers at his house, and coincidentally, he is the only mainstream Republican that I've ever supported.
And I think I can say the same thing, certainly.
And I guess I just did.
Well, I tell you what, this show is packed full of surprises.
So you were at the Leno taping last night.
Not even I.
I didn't even know that.
I knew you were going to be a guest tonight.
Yeah.
And it was quite exciting.
The campaign said, we've got tickets for you.
So I came out there.
We couldn't find the tickets.
Couldn't find the person where the tickets were.
So all the Ron Paul people were just so supportive.
So I said, hey, anybody have an extra ticket?
And a beautiful red-haired 19-year-old girl said, hey, I got an extra ticket.
I'll let you.
And so I got a seat right next to her.
We watched it, and it was just really enjoyable.
You know, we got Christmas Eve next week.
We're not going to be on the show.
We're going to be playing a tape.
I'm going to replay this one.
I think this show has just been way too much fun.
Okay, so I know I actually asked you that because I knew you had worked intimately with Ron Paul in the past.
I didn't know you were at the taping last night, but I know that you have worked with him before.
You've been with him before.
So even though we're members of a third party, we certainly support his efforts as a presidential candidate under the GOP banner.
Now, let's just say, and I hope this isn't the case, Ron Paul fails.
Even Bill Patterson, who was our previous guest, Bill Johnson, said at that point, as a lifelong Republican, he's going to start looking to third parties.
And thankfully, we've been working on a third party to house just such disenchanted and disenfranchised Americans.
Let's talk about the A3P.
You've been on many times to promote the party in the past.
It's been a while.
New Year is going to be upon us in two weeks.
Let's talk about the strides that A3P made this year.
What can you tell us?
Okay, well, first of all, we had a board meeting today, and we decided upon our presidential candidates, our ticket.
We've been working on it for a month or so, and it just was confirmed today.
We voted as a board, and we nominated, and he accepted it.
Our ticket for this upcoming presidential election is our presidential candidate is Merlin Miller, and his vice presidential candidate is Virginia Abernathy.
And Virginia, as you know, has been a member of our board for a while.
And Merlin Miller is a graduate of West Point.
And after he left the military, he's became a well-known filmmaker.
And he's got his own following.
And he's been traveling around the country on his own.
And now he's going to be traveling around running for president for the American Third Position.
And so I'm very excited about that.
As a member of the board, I knew that this was a decision that was forthcoming.
It was officially made today.
And of course, both of these people that Bill Johnson, chairman of American Third Position, just mentioned, have been guests on this radio program.
If you don't know them, folks, you need to learn about them.
Merlin Miller, as Bill said, a West Point graduate.
He's a film director, has worked with some big stars in Hollywood.
He has three children that are also either West Point graduates or West Point cadets.
Merlin Miller will be heading the third-party ticket for American third position.
Virginia Abernathy, professor emeritus of anthropology at the very prestigious Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, the Ivy League of the South.
It's a good ticket.
It's a strong ticket if we aren't successful in getting Ron Paul the nomination.
And certainly, I think that despite Bill Patterson's enthusiasm, it's not a done deal by any stretch of the imagination.
This will be the ticket that I vote for, certainly.
It goes without saying.
And that's just one of the many exciting things that A3P has been working on over the course of the last several months.
What else can you tell us, Bill?
Well, we had a presidential candidate run for a special election, not a presidential, a gubernatorial candidate run for a special election in West Virginia.
And we got on the ballot there as the American third position.
And we pushed real hard, and he got our message out, and it's an upheld battle to make the message.
And he came in last among all of the candidates, but he came in first in promoting principles that needed to be promoted.
So that was really exciting.
We have someone running for local office in Mesa, Arizona.
We don't, you know, we encourage all of our members to actually get out there and run.
We had someone who was running for Congress in Montana, but he's just kind of changed his mind now.
So we're still, you know, we're still mounting people, and it's a start, but we're going places.
Well, no, and I think that's an understatement.
I mean, if you go and look at the website, and Bill, plug that website very quickly.
The website is the American Third Position.
We just changed the web address, so it might be American3P.me.
But if you just Google American Third Position, it'll come up.
And I encourage you to do so, ladies and gentlemen, because very polished, great platform, and the A3P certainly takes serious its charge.
And the sole charge of a political party, it's not a PAC.
It's not a political action committee.
A party is charged with the duty to run and elect candidates on local levels and certainly to compete on the presidential level, which A3P will be doing with its newly christened ticket, Merlin Miller and Virginia Abernathy.
It takes a lot of staying power.
You know, I can just relate this very quick story.
You know, this radio show has now been on the air for it's going into its eighth year now.
And for the first three years, it was very, very rocky.
And by no means do we have a substantial war chest.
But I know, you know, from having to pay out of pocket to keep the show on the air for the first three years, it was very touch and go.
And you have to stick around for a while.
You have to have that staying power.
You got to stand the test of time before you begin to catch on.
And in today's political climate, you know, certainly that would be true for a third party.
But out of all of them that are out there, I know it's a skeptical climate for third parties, but I'm a third-party guy.
And the A3P deserves, at the very least, a very long, hard, and sober look.
And I encourage you to do that.
What they've been able to do, what we've been able to do over the course of just a couple of years since our inception, has been very substantial.
But as Robert Frost once said, we have miles to go and promises to keep before we sleep.
And that will be done here with your support, ladies and gentlemen.
It's got a great board of directors.
Probably not because I'm on there, but there are some very talented people in leadership positions at A3P.
And I just can't say enough good about the organization.
Again, I encourage you to check out the A3P American Third Position on the internet.
Bill, we've got about a minute left.
I want to allow you to wrap it up in any way you'd see fit.
Okay, see, James, we're working with all sorts of candidates that think like we do.
I mean, we're working with Virgil Good, who's going to be the constitutional law presidential candidate.
But the point is that we are providing a bridge between mainstream America and the more extreme versions.
We are explicitly pro-white, but that's not our only position.
We take reasoned stances on all of the positions, and not only is our board of directors first rate, our membership is growing and it's being drawn from people from all across the board in America.
And I'm really encouraged by the growth that we have seen.
Well, and I think if the folks take the time to give A3P a look, they will be impressed as well.
As I continue to be impressed as I watch the organization develop, and of course, A3P, we work very closely with them here on the Political Assessment Radio Program.
Not only am I a member, the organization certainly runs ads on this network, which helps make this show possible.
So it's not only a symbiotic relationship, it's a relationship among friends, and we're all working together for the greater good.
And we are diversifying with radio shows, political parties, other organizations and individuals out there making a difference, perhaps all pulling together.
The sum of all of our parts will manifest itself and we'll be able to do great things on behalf of our shared cause.
Bill Johnson, the chairman of the American Third Position, thanks for being on the show tonight.
I look forward to having you back again very soon, my friend.
Thank you.
Goodbye.
Bill Johnson, check him out on the web at American Third Position.
Got to take a break.
I have got to catch my breath.
Get a drink of water.
Eddie the Bombadir Miller is going to be in with me when we return for the third and final hour of tonight's broadcast.