Nov. 12, 2011 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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Welcome to the Political Cesspool, known worldwide as the South's foremost populous radio program.
And here to guide you through the murky waters of the Political Cesspool is your host, James Edwards.
Well, ladies and gentlemen, we've certainly saved the best for last.
And that's saying a lot this show because it has been a heck of a show, if I do say so myself.
I want to thank my co-host, Keith Alexander, for his incredible contributions during the course of the first two hours tonight.
It's Saturday evening, November 12th.
I'm coming to you live tonight.
James Edwards from AM 1380, WLRM Radio, in downtown Memphis, Tennessee.
We're also going out to the AM FM affiliate stations of the Liberty News Radio Network and different ports of call throughout this great country.
So far tonight, we've really been across the board.
We've talked about Pat Buchanan, Herman Kane, and Davey Crockett.
Only on the Political Cesspool Radio program will those three names ever be mentioned in the same show and the same night.
And now it's only, the plot only thickens now as we welcome back to the program, certainly a fan favorite of yours and of mine, Dr. Kevin McDonald, editor of the Occidental Quarterly, also professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach, and author of several books, including his latest Cultural Insurrections, a man of so many talents.
Kevin McDonald, are you with us?
Yes, it happens.
It's great to be here, Jim.
Well, it's great to have you back, Kevin.
And, you know, of course, I'll let the audience in on, well, it's not a secret, but the fact that you and I broke bread together, I guess you could say, a couple of weeks ago in Nashville.
Kevin and I both addressed a meeting in Nashville two weeks ago.
So it's great to have you rejoin us now over the air, despite the fact that you're coming from a little bit sunnier, a little bit warmer place tonight.
Actually, it's raining and quite cool here tonight.
Well, I stand corrected.
Well, anyway, the fact still remains, though, that Kevin is certainly a hero of our people.
And folks, you can learn more about his work at theocidentalobserver.net, T-O-O, theOccidentalObserver.net.
If you can't spell it, don't worry.
Just go to my blog.
It's one of our daily reads, and you can pick it up there on the menu.
Kevin, a lot to talk to you about tonight.
But first, what stories are you tracking over there at TOO?
Well, we're certainly very interested in the sort of beating of the drums of war by Israel in the Israel lobby.
It's one of our big topics.
And we've also been following the problems that you've had because of your interview with Pat Buchanan or perhaps more, you know, I guess Pat Buchanan has been the brunt of most of the fallout from that.
We're also tracking there's a story on fraud in psychological research.
I'm a psychologist, and it's amazing to what extent there's a psychologist over in Holland who is just making up data.
And then it turns out that actually it's not, you know, he's not the only one.
And it's not common.
Let's take those one by one because that's certainly vast and varied.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg, folks, that you can read about tonight at the Occidental Observer, theOccidentalObserver.net.
That's Kevin McDonald's official website.
And of course, you know, Kevin, we've talked a little bit.
I enjoy it, actually, I must admit.
The negative publicity, it never really gets to me.
Well, it gets to you a little bit, but you learn to enjoy it.
Otherwise, what are you going to do?
You have to laugh to keep from crying, as they say.
Kevin has been such a great supporter of this program.
He often takes some of the blog entries that we post on our own website and syndicates them over at TOO.
And as he mentioned, some of the articles he's posted recently revolve around the media dogpile on Pat Buchanan.
Kevin, I don't want to spend too much time on that because we've talked about it so much over the course of the last three weeks on this show, my co-host and I.
But what's your take on that whole episode, Pat coming on the show and then all the fallout thereafter?
Well, I think the main thing is just how absolutely desperate the mainstream media is to keep those ideas out.
I mean, that is just absolutely horrendous to them.
Anybody who is worried about the decline of America, concerned that racial diversity is not going to produce this wonderful, harmonious future, and certainly Pat Buchanan is like that.
He's been attacked by the ADL for a very long time.
But that's because he has spoken his mind and he has a very, you know, he's very, very insightful perspective on what is happening.
And I think he's becoming more and more explicit about, you know, this is all about the decline of white people and Western culture.
And if white people really become, you know, if it continues to decline into a minority, you are going to lose all the cultural institutions that we've built up.
And I think that he's well aware of that.
And I think he's definitely talking in that direction nowadays.
And again, folks, thanks to Kevin McDonald's efforts, many more people have come to know about these truths because of his website.
And again, we've been talking about this quite extensively, Kevin, as you might imagine on this radio program since we've been in the thick of it all.
But a very prominent website that monitors television programs and television personalities issued a poll.
And this, of course, after this is now three weeks to the day that Buchanan appeared on this show, three weeks of negative publicity, to say the least.
And they issued a poll saying, asking whether or not Pat Buchanan should be allowed to return to MSNBC.
And after three weeks of saturation, negative publicity, 91% of the respondents said, yes, he should.
Does that surprise you?
I'm not surprised.
I think that Pat Buchanan's ideas actually resonate with the vast majority of white Americans.
We are, you know, I think white America is just waiting to hear these things.
And as I say, the big story here is how desperate the mainstream media is to keep those ideas out.
I mean, we've had this absolute blanket on this for the last 50 years or so.
I mean, even before that, it's just an absolute, you know, sort of reign of terror about these ideas.
And of course, one reason for that is these ideas are very powerful.
If white people start thinking, yes, you know, it's okay to have an identity as a white person.
It's okay to think about what interests white people should have as white people.
You know, that's the kind of thing that it just horrifies the people that run the media.
And because as soon as that happens, you're going to have white people saying, well, we have to change our immigration policy.
We have to try to start having the people who have already come here in the last few decades try to think about how we can get them to go back where they came from.
This is just the absolute Armageddon of these are the issues that are just really powerful, and they're starting to bubble to the surface.
And I don't think ultimately they can prevent them from coming to the surface, especially for the internet now and people like yourself with this great radio program.
So I think that times may be changing, and that's what they're terrified about.
Ladies and gentlemen, we spent a considerable amount of time in the last hour talking about some of America's heroes.
We mentioned people like Davey Crockett, among many others.
Certainly, they are our heroes, and they should always be remembered.
But it's not to say that all of our heroes are dead.
That's not the case.
We have, and I don't say this disingenuously, I say this quite matter of factly.
We have an American hero on our radio program right now, Dr. Kevin McDonald, professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach.
He suffered for telling the truth, as many of us have.
He's also the editor of the Occidental Quarterly and the administrator of the Occidental Observer website, theocidentalobserver.net.
We're going to be talking more to Kevin McDonald in the segment to come right after this commercial break.
Stay tuned, everybody.
The Big Mac is with us right after this.
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Ladies and gentlemen, anytime we have Dr. Kevin McDonald on the program, he deserves a full hour, if not more than that.
Unfortunately, we have a log jam tonight.
And so we only have the honor of Kevin McDonald's presence for one more segment.
That would be this segment.
And so I don't want to waste even a second of that.
Kevin, of course, in addition to many other things, is the editor, as I mentioned, of the Occidental Quarterly Magazine.
And you know, Kevin, I have it on good authority that the most recent edition of the Occidental Quarterly was mailed out to all subscribers this week.
That would be the fall 2011 edition.
Kevin, for the benefit of those who already subscribed to the journal and to those who should be subscribing to it, what can be found between the pages this edition?
Yes, so it's a very good issue.
The first article is by Carrie Bolton.
He has a very detailed, scholarly discussion of communism as it evolved in Russia, especially in the Russian Bolshevik Civil War around 1919 and how economists were actually helped by the Western powers, in particular America, and how they just did not really try to turn back the tide of the Bolshevik Revolution.
So which was really a disaster, a historical disaster, I think, for our people.
I also have a very long review of a book by a professor of sociology in Canada.
His name's Duchesne.
His last name is Duchesne.
And he talks about Western culture and why it's unique.
And it's a brilliant book.
I strongly recommend it.
It's quite expensive, actually.
I've also written on Vider about that particular book.
It really defends the West, talks about why our culture is unique and quite different from the other cultures of the world.
And so many other, in the academic world now, there's all these historians and sociologists.
And whenever they think about trying to explain why the West was so successful, it's always because the West just enslaved other peoples or they were just lucky or something like that.
And so he really cuts through all this stuff and really shows that Western culture is unique, that it was a very active, intensely dynamic civilization from the beginning.
It talks about Western individualism.
So it's a really a great article.
And then there's also a very interesting article.
It's part two of a three-part series on anti-Semitism, historical anti-Semitism by Thomas Dalton.
Thomas Dalton has written quite a bit about Jews and Jewish influence and so on.
But this is historical comments by people, people like Martin Luther, Kant, Voltaire, all the great Western philosophers and intellectuals, what they had to say about Jews.
And in general, it has not been flattering.
Really, it's a sort of 2,000, maybe 2,500-year history of strongly critical comments about Jews over historical times.
It's very interesting to see all those put together in one place.
And there's also a very nice article on Ann Rand and libertarianism from the standpoint of white nationalism.
And the general point of that is by Brenton Sanderson.
The general point of that is that libertarianism is pretty much incompatible with white nationalism, that it's so individualistic that we can't have any sort of collective sense that we really have to have.
We have to identify as white people and have a sense of white interest.
And that's really it's very difficult to reconcile that with the extreme individualism that you see with libertarian intellectuals, the vast majority of whom, for example, are in favor of immigration.
They don't see any problem with immigration because they're just going to come to this country and everybody's an individual and it doesn't matter.
Well, as we know, that's not, that's just a complete escape from reality.
Ladies and gentlemen, Kevin McDonald, again, in addition to being, he wears so many hats, professor of psychology at California State University, Long Beach.
Moonlights is editor of the Occidental Quarterly, and that's what we've been talking about, or that's what we've been listening to him talk about the last couple of minutes, that which can be found between the pages of the most recent edition of the Occidental Quarterly.
He's also the editor of the Occidental Observer website, and they are not one and the same thing.
So many things, though, that Kevin McDonald does, though.
Kevin, TOQ, though, the Occidental Quarterly, we've been talking about it.
Undoubtedly, many people listening tonight are already subscribers to the Great Journal.
If they are not subscribers at this point in time, but perhaps after hearing your assessment of the most recent edition they would like to be, how can they subscribe?
Can they do it online?
Yes, certainly.
Actually, two forms of subscription.
One is online, where you simply download the articles.
That's for $30 a year.
And then if you want the print version, it's $60 a year for four issues.
And if you just Google Occidental Quarterly, you'll definitely go right to the website.
I should say also that we're actually trying to get papers on the topic of collapse.
We think that things are coming to a head in the West and in America, that there's so much debt.
There's all this concern about the future and huge amounts of anxiety about immigration and multicultural and all the conflict that that engenders.
And so we're going to have a special issue on collapse, the possibility of collapse, what it would look like, what to do about it, what would happen afterwards and so on.
And especially from the standpoint of white interest and identity.
So that should be a very interesting issue.
And if anybody has a great idea, you should send me an email.
And perhaps you could do a paper on this.
And people who actually write articles are reimbursed $250.
It's not a lot of money, but it is something.
We're trying to make this into something that is something that people can actually look forward to some kind of payment for it.
Well, and folks, if you want more information, in addition to being able to subscribe online to the Occidental Quarterly, the publication of which Kevin McDonald is the editor, Dr. Kevin McDonald, T-O-QONLINE.com, The Occidental Quarterly, T-O-Q, T-O-Q. online.com.
Kevin, we only have two minutes left with you.
I tell you, my friend, it goes by far too quickly anytime you're on the program.
Two minutes left, and we have far too much left to cover to cram it into two minutes.
But you did mention at the beginning of the interview something that you're tracking on the Occidental Observer's website, another URL for you folks, theocidentalobserver.net.
Israel banging the wars for drums, presumably against Iran.
You got a minute and a half, Kevin.
What can you tell me about it?
Well, it's very ominous.
This began with some discussion that got into the media from Israel.
It was actually leaked.
I think they wanted it to get in the media.
And it was immediately picked up by these neocons.
If you tune into virtually any of the big media now, Fox, Fox News Channel, I was listening to National Public Radio.
There are an awful lot of discussions.
And all these discussions have the same talking heads that we saw before that so much wanted the war in Iraq.
Now they are big time hyping the war with Iran.
We have to deal with that.
And they sometimes talk about why this might be an interesting United States.
But the vast majority of these people are Jewish.
They're very concerned about Israel.
Israel is the one that has led the charge on this.
So in America with the Israel lobby, they've already geared up quite a bit, pressuring Congress to try to pass laws, more sanctions against Iran, and trying to prevent any kind of contact between the Obama administration and Iran.
They're really trying to make it so that war is almost the only option.
And so it's very scary.
It's the same thing that happened in 2003, which led to the war in Iraq, which is, in my opinion, just a real disaster.
So many Americans lost their lives there.
And now we're simply going to have to leave and it'll probably collapse after we're gone.
Kevin, we're out of time, but I can't thank you enough for making time for us tonight and making yourself available on the program, folks.
If you want to read more about Kevin McDonald, I encourage you to check out his website, theocidentalobserver.net, theocidentalobserver.net.
Kevin, thanks so much, my friend.
Look forward to having you back on the show sooner rather than later, to be sure.
It's great being here today all the time.
Thank you very much.
Kevin McDonald, everybody, another American hero.
They had Davey Crockett.
We have Kevin McDonald.
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Welcome back, everybody, to the Political Success Pool Radio Program.
What a night.
What a show.
What an hour.
We have really been around the block tonight talking about Pat Buchanan and Herman Kane, Davey Crockett.
Again, the only show in the country this week that you're going to hear those three names put together in the same program.
You just heard from a contemporary American hero, Dr. Kevin McDonald, on with us for the past two segments.
Now I bring to you another one, two in the same hour.
Again, something the likes of which you're not going to have on too many other radio programs.
Richard Spencer, another man who wears many hats, executive editor of alternative right.com is just one of them.
But Richard Spencer, of course, a man who needs no introduction to this radio program because he's such a regular guest.
Richard, how are you tonight?
I'm doing great, James.
How about you?
I couldn't be doing better.
You know, we just had Kevin on.
Now we've got you, and all the friends are here.
And we just need pizza and a couple of beers, and then we'll really be partying.
That's true.
I don't like following intelligent people.
Well, I don't like interviewing intelligent people.
I don't like interviewing intelligent people because it always accentuates my shortcomings.
But I do what I can.
I do what I can.
Richard, you know, there's so much we have to talk about tonight.
But, you know, I don't know for sure if we've had you on the program since just before the epic, and I say that word sincerely, the epic victory that we sustained in Washington, D.C. back in September.
And I don't think you've been on the show since the NPI conference there.
Of course, preceding the National Policy Institute Conference, another organization which Richard heads.
We had the press conference at the National Press Club, myself, you, Jared Taylor.
Richard, we don't have a lot of time, but I certainly want to give you a few minutes to recap that which was won there.
Oh, well, I'm very proud of what happened.
And I think we also just won a victory against some of the leftist thugs that essentially, you know, the great supporters of tolerance and diversity who don't want us to have a right to speak.
And we won a great victory.
And I think it was, I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that we really got a good shot.
You know, we really punched them in the nose.
And I think they're reeling.
You know, last weekend, we actually had the H.L. Mencken Club conference in Baltimore, Maryland.
And that was a great success.
We had more people there than have ever attended the conference before.
It was more intellectual stuff, talking about the conservative canon, stuff, all that kind of stuff.
It was a big success.
And these leftists were making threats, and they failed once again.
And I think this is just a good trend we've got going.
And I see Jared's having a conference in March, and you're on the bill.
I'm very excited about that.
I will certainly be there.
And I think we've, you know, we were kind of knocked up against the ropes a few times, but I really think that that MPI conference just, that was the first step forward to, you know, getting back on our feet and punching them in the nose and proving that we can have a viable movement.
It can't be discounted, and at the same time, it cannot be overhyped.
I don't think.
The success.
And folks, I don't want to flatter Richard here, but I say it all very matter of factly.
Richard Spencer, you're going to be hearing a lot about Richard Spencer over the next few decades.
What Sam, and I actually said this to Richard in Washington, what Sam Dixon and Jared Taylor have been to the movement, he and I might be in the future.
But Richard Spencer, especially his vision and his leadership there in Washington with the National Policy Institute's conference there, and of course the press conference at the National Press Club, no less that preceded it, was a tremendous victory for freedom of speech for all of us who share these views, views that certainly are very traditional and should be and will once again be mainstream one day.
We've talked about the success of the NPI conference and the National Press Club press conference over the course of the last couple of months, but never with the organizer himself on the air.
And so I wanted to open up the show tonight and give Richard his due credit for shepherding that into such a profound success.
And Richard, again, my hat's off to you.
Oh, well, thank you, James.
And, you know, I certainly take that compliment to heart that of what people like Jared and Sam have done in the past, we can carry on that tradition.
And I would say that we are set for interesting times.
You know, there's that old Chinese curse slash blessing, which is may you live in interesting times.
I don't know if you're supposed to say that to your enemies or your friends, but maybe both.
But we really are set for that.
And I think that's where you and I and things like MPI and others, you know, Ambrand and so on and so forth are very important because I think we really are at a major paradigm shift.
And those kind of things are thrown out a lot.
But this one's real.
And I think the fact that what you've recognized, what I myself recognize, is that we can talk about things like e-Verify program or would Herman Keynes support animal feeder or so on and so forth.
You can talk that stuff round and round again.
And some of those things like e-Verify are good in themselves, but they melt away in the sun of the reality of the fact that the majority of babies born in this country are non-white.
And demography is destiny.
And our destiny is looking pretty catastrophic.
And you can see this with someone like Pat Buchanan.
He's been a brave figure.
He's a fear.
And he is looking toward the kind of end of something.
It's the America that he loves, the America, the establishment of which, which he served in.
He was working for Nixon and Reagan, a couple of those people.
And they can kind of see that end.
And I think the challenge for, well, for young people in particular, but it's really a challenge for everyone.
And that is how do we move forward?
What are we going to move towards?
Because I think this old paradigm of the America that people have been used to, that they love in many ways, that is going away.
And that's a reality we've got to face.
And it's a great challenge for us to form that way forward.
Sam Dixon talked about the ethno-state, a new kind of republic.
That is a revolutionary idea, both politically revolutionary.
It's also revolutionary in the sense of a dangerous thought.
And that is really our challenge to think these kinds of thoughts and to discuss these kinds of ideas in the coming decades, because that's what needs to be happened.
We cannot waste any more time yammering about this GOP candidate did that or she did this or he was sleeping with that woman or whatever.
We've got to get at the big stuff or we will lose this and our people and our civilization will perish.
So I don't know if that oration I just put forward is entirely depressing or rousing.
Maybe it's a little bit of both.
Well, it makes sense to me.
And that's why I think you've really coined a term that I think many more of us should adopt, the alternative right.
Certainly, if you look to the conservative establishment today in Washington, you see no hope, no leadership whatsoever, the neocons.
And so we need a new vision.
We need a fresh idea.
And I think that many of us are providing that.
And I know, Richard, that that's something that you wanted to talk about tonight, and that is the death of conservatism.
And I think you've already touched on it, but I'd like for you to elaborate.
We only have about a minute left in this segment, but I'll let you get started, and then we'll carry on with the final segment after the commercial break.
Well, if I only have that amount of time, I'll be quite brief.
And that is that I think there are a lot of people who got involved with conservative causes and they had very good intentions.
But what those conservatives have achieved have essentially been warmongering the growth of government, the dispossession of white people, and the continued employment for Republican politicians.
We need to do better than that.
And we can do better than that.
And Richard, along with other people, luminaries such as Kevin McDonald, and many of the people, quite frankly, that you see featured on this radio program week in and week out are providing the leadership.
There is not a vacuum there, folks.
It doesn't need to be filled.
It's already being filled.
We just need people to come and rally behind the contemporary heroes that we have in modern-day America.
And again, to harken back to something that we were talking about in the first and second hours of tonight's program, we have many heroes throughout our antiquity.
People like Davey Crockett, who we've profiled tonight.
There are modern-day heroes as well.
And you can find them featured on this radio program every Saturday night.
We've had a couple of them on this hour, one of which will continue to be our guest here following this commercial break.
Folks, only one more segment tonight in another episode of the Political Cesspool going by far too quickly.
James Edwards and Richard Spencer are our guests right after this.
Stay tuned.
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Welcome back to the show, everybody.
Final segment of tonight's live broadcast of the Political Assess Pole Radio Program.
I'm your host, James Edwards.
Richard Spencer is a lot like Kevin McDonald.
When you read their bio, it would take you 15 minutes.
I mean, I'm only the host of the Political Assess Pool.
They are so many things.
I mean, Richard Spencer, former editor of Takis Magazine, worked for the American Conservative, now with obviously his own web zine, AlternativeRight.com.
He's also with the National Policy Institute, the H.L. Minchin Club.
Richard, my goodness, how do you do it all?
Well, I sometimes wonder myself.
I try to surround myself with more people.
That's what I've always said.
And I've done that with the kind of people we brought to the conference, MPI conference, people like Alex Kurdig and others.
So that's how I get by.
Well, it certainly doesn't hurt to surround yourself with talent, as they say.
Anyway, Richard, talking about, and I know we only have about 10 minutes left in the program tonight, talking about the death of conservatism, I want to allow you to continue along the thread that we started a few minutes ago.
Well, sure.
You know, one thing that I've always found interesting about the conservative movement, and this is essentially the intellectual wing of the movement that people are usually referring to when they say something like, I'm a conservative.
And this is something that's probably most prominent, the most prominent member is William F. Buckley.
I mean, it certainly now includes neocons and others.
It's kind of the ideas backing up Fox News, so on and so forth.
They have this idea that there was no conservatism in the United States before William F. Buckley came along.
And that idea is really just fundamentally wrong.
There were a whole many different varieties of the right in the United States.
Most of them were far more interesting than what has become dominant over the past half century.
And I'll just name a few just to maybe inspire some of your readers to go out and read about them.
But there were people like Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard in the 1920s and 30s who were from the WASP New England elite.
They were public intellectuals.
They were widely read, selling hundreds of thousands of copies.
And they would have no problem whatsoever with the ideas expressed in the political fest pool.
Indeed, they might criticize you for being too weak on a few issues.
You know, that's what I've always said, not to interject, Richard, but if I was born in 1950 or if I was hosting a show in the 1950s that was very similar in nature to this, I would be considered probably a moderate, if that.
Yes.
Absolutely.
And there are also some people, you know, there's another version of the right that was prominent in that same time that included people like H.L. Mincken and Albert J. Knockwell, libertarians, kind of had aristocratic views of the world.
Again, people who are just a lot more interesting and a lot more varied than contemporary conservatives.
And when you really look at it, I'm struck by this fact that, and I please, well, maybe I can be criticized for sounding a little conspiratorial or something here, but I think this is very important.
I've always been struck by the fact that we find out later on that the Central Intelligence Agency was very interested in sponsoring what was called the anti-communist left.
And this actually included people like Irving Kristol and Norman Potterus and magazines like Encounter.
And it was essentially former Trotskyists who did not like Stalin and were kind of Cold War liberals, as it were.
And these are actually the people who became neoconservatives, and they eventually kind of entered the conservative movement and voted for Reagan and so forth.
The CIA was funding them.
The CIA was helping to publish their magazines.
It was supporting them.
It was promoting them.
You know, there's a lot of evidence to suggest that they were also promoting people like Buckley.
And he was obviously involved with the organization itself.
And I don't want to push this too far.
I'm not one of these people who thinks that sinister organizations control the world or anything.
I'm just simply not.
But I think it is interesting that you have these two groups, the neocons, conservatives.
Both of them, at the end of the day, in terms of the conservatives, have utterly failed at their mission in terms of limiting government, making history stop or whatever they wanted to do that.
They have certainly been totally impotent in resisting the dispossession of the white Americans.
And indeed, they probably kind of took part in it themselves.
So you have these two organizations, two Cold War movements, two movements that were in some way supported by the establishment.
And they end up as kind of sick jokes of themselves where you either have someone like George Bush supporting these wars or you have the Tea Party ending up supporting Herman King, something like this.
And I just, this black former Federal Reserve board member, I mean, it's really something that's really disturbing.
And I think we need to recognize that, A, those movements, they failed to achieve any kind of goal like limited government or freedom or restoring the Constitution.
Indeed, all of those things that I mentioned, they lost on all of those issues.
And I just simply think it's time that we, you know, whatever you want to think about Buckley, whatever you want to think about those, that we really cut our losses and kind of liberate ourselves from that crowd.
We know where that stuff leads.
It leads to defeat.
It leads to leftward drift.
It leads to just, you know, insane warmongering in the Middle East.
And we really need to get about the work of creating a new kind of traditionalist movement, one in which we're in control, one where we talk about our goals really explicitly, and also one that just has new ends in mind.
And I think this is where I would bring back what I mentioned before in terms of the necessity of an ethnic state.
You know, if we're going to survive, that is a necessity, and we need to start talking about that.
We can achieve that tomorrow morning.
But before any kind of political revolution can occur, one has to occur in our mind.
And we've got to get about the work, that intellectual work, tomorrow.
So anyway, that's, oh, go ahead, Chip.
No, no, no.
Please finish your thought, Richard.
Okay.
So that's basically, that's basically my sense of the death of conservatism.
I think someone like even Pat Buchanan in his recent book, he is seeing this.
He is seeing the end of something, the end of a certain American way of life and a certain establishment.
And I think he's right.
But there's nothing in that book about what happens next.
There's a kind of prediction of doom and slow decay, but there isn't a vision.
It's a kind of, it ends and it's over.
And there's not a second act or a new dawn or something like that.
And I think that's really our job is to face up to the fact that conservatism has, as it has been defined by Buckland Sloan and so forth, has been a terrible failure.
And that also the chickens are really coming home to root in terms of the reigning ideology, this regime of multiculturalism, diversity, egalitarianism, etc.
And that it is our job to think of a way out and a way forward.
And that's ultimately the challenge of groups like MPI and the political festival and yourself shake.
Ladies and gentlemen, be part of the solution.
And Richard talked about the intellectual awakening that needs to precede any sort of tangible action that could possibly take place.
Become part of it by making one of your daily reads, alternativeright.com.
I'm actually on the website right now here at the radio station.
Some great stuff there.
And I've said this to you, Richard, and I mean it when I say it to the audience.
Truly one of the best websites on the internet.
Aesthetically speaking, as far as content goes, certainly check it out.
Alternativeright.com.
Some great articles on there this evening.
The Game of the Century.
Paul Kersey writes about the big LSU-Alabama matchup that we all know took place in college football last week.
Anatomy of a Postmodern Farce by Andy Nowicki, another Political Cesspool guest, talking about Herman Kane and sexual harassment, which we have been talking about tonight also earlier in the program.
And Richard Spencer oversees it all as editor there at alternativewrite.com, in addition to, as we mentioned just a moment ago, so many other things that he does.
Richard, I can't believe that the time has already come and gone.
We're at the end of the program now, but I want to thank you for taking a few minutes out of your schedule tonight to make time for our audience.
And we look forward to the next time already.
Oh, thank you for having me on, James.
I'd love to come back.
Well, we will have you back soon, I'm sure.
And thanks again, Richard.
And, you know, I guess I'll see you in March, if not before, at the American Renaissance Conference.
Absolutely.
All right, everybody.
Richard Spencer, check him out on alternativeright.com.
Support his work.
Certainly one of the leaders of our movement.
And that is, to say the least, Richard Spencer, alternativewright.com.
We're out of time for the program tonight.
What a show it has been.
Quite possibly my favorite show of the year.
I'm James Edwards on behalf of Keith Alexander, my entire staff and crew here in Memphis, Tennessee, and our network out in Utah.
God bless you, everybody.
Live life the way we do without retreat, surrender, or apology.