Jan. 9, 2010 - The Political Cesspool - James Edwards
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I appreciate Keith Alexander for his service and helping me with that interview.
Joining me now in the co-pilot seat, Mr. Bill Rowland, our good friend and co-host.
And also, it's a great, an esteemed honor to welcome to our program for the first time a man who is an author, a patriot, former World War II veteran, former Jeopardy Grand Champion and father of Academy Award-winning director Mel Gibson.
Hutton Gibson has spent three years in the seminary and dedicated his life to defending the faith of our fathers, something that is near and dear to our hearts as well.
We're going to be talking with Mr. Gibson this evening about the manifestation of politically correct heresy in the church, as well as the secularization of the Christian faith in general.
Hutton Gibson's books include the titles, Is the Pope Catholic and The Enemy is Still Here.
Both of these are available, autographed, and for purchase at huttongibson.com.
Mr. Gibson, thank you for accepting our invitation to appear.
It's certainly an honor.
A pleasure.
Bill Rowland, that being said, I'd like to welcome you also to the program and let's get things kicked off the right way with our very special guest.
Well, James, thank you.
It's good to be back on the show again.
I've missed the audience and I hope that the audience missed me a little and it's really an honor for me to be on the show with Mr. Gibson.
And I tell you, I have a question.
Mr. Gibson, can you hear me?
Yes, I can hear.
Okay, well, sometimes our connections go a little sour, so I never know whether I can be heard on the air or not.
But your book, Is the Pope Catholic, basically addresses current heresies in the Catholic Church and the turn of the Catholic Church after the Second Vatican towards heresy.
Can you explain a little bit to us about the Second Vatican and when the heresies began to creep into the Catholic Church at the very highest level?
Well, I think they must have been creeping in for some time.
We almost had a Masonic Pope in 1903, but the Emperor of Austria stopped it with a veto before the man got enough votes.
There were four countries that had a veto.
Austria, Hungary, well, for the Holy Roman Empire, France, Spain, and Portugal.
Because a Pope who was politically opposed to any one of them could make an awful mess of things in the climate of the day.
But anyway, they broke loose into the Open at the death of Pius XII.
And John XXIII called this council for no reason whatsoever except to destroy the church.
We've got to open the windows, he said, and let in the bats.
Interesting.
Well, now, the Second Vatican was a distinct break from previous Catholic doctrine and tradition.
In what ways was the Second Vatican really a liberalization, and I should say, I guess a humanization of Catholic Church doctrine and Catholic Church practice?
Well, they went to work and re-examined.
They said they were going to re-examine every doctrine of the church with one exception.
And I suppose you can guess that that was papal infallibility because they needed that for a bluff.
And the thing is that John himself was not available, or pardon me, not eligible for the papacy, having been apostasized as a Freemason years earlier.
So his record is such that he promoted Freemasonry everywhere, and he's the first Pope that ever died to the great plaudits of Freemasonry.
We've lost our friend.
That's it.
Well, now, the Second Vatican clearly introduced doctrines which I think most people would recognize, even people who are not Catholic, as being a liberalization of Catholic policy and of Catholic beliefs.
Now, you talk about the infallibility of the Pope.
Didn't actually the Second Vatican distort or the Popes themselves distort the concept of infallibility?
Well, it's been distorted by the people who accept it more than it binds.
The Pope is infallible only in matters of faith and morals.
If he expresses a political opinion, you can relegate it to the usual garbage that comes out of any man, anybody that's in the public eye.
But I think the impression is that the infallibility of the Pope is a personal infallibility, and that's where the Second Vatican or where the doctrine has been corrupted.
Well, that's corrupted there because it is not a personal, it goes with the office as a means of preservation.
When you look at a religion, if it isn't infallible, it can't be true.
And nobody else has ever claimed it but the Catholic religion, and it claims it for its legitimate popes.
Well, then I noticed that one of the things in your writing that you bring up, and I'd like to ask you to sort of elaborate a little bit on this concept.
I think it's familiar to most of us who are conservative in our beliefs and Christians.
But the concept of modernism you describe creeping into Catholic doctrine, particularly through the vehicle of the Second Vatican.
Exactly what do you mean by modernism?
Well, it's the idea that Jesus Christ and his apostles left us a skeleton thing, skeleton, and we built on it, and we continue to build on it as we get more intelligent.
Evolution enters into this, which is garbage.
I don't know any more than my grandfather.
Maybe things like when how to turn on an electric light switch, more machines, more engineering stuff.
But in the line of knowledge, just plain knowledge of whatever there is out there, we haven't progressed.
So the idea of modernism in terms of interpreting that word through Catholic belief, for instance, would be that we're still perfecting the faith in a sense.
Yes, we examine it and we add to it and we interpret it and so and so, and we are getting brighter as we go.
Whereas the fact, the obvious is the opposite is obvious.
The education today is wretched compared with what it was when I was a boy, and it wasn't that good compared with when my grandfather was a boy.
Right, in terms of the actual development of the intellect, as opposed to rote learning or even technical understanding of certain things.
Right.
Well, now the Catholic Church, I'm going to quote one of your quotes from your book, I think from the preface.
Subversions have provided the climate and constructed the seedbed for the luxuriant growth of modernism, which you say is the synthesis of all heresy.
Now, that synthesis being the idea that man perfects the faith instead of the faith perfecting the man, I understand.
What specific points of modernism do you think have had the most destructive effect on the church and the faith?
Well, the idea that they can change these things and that change is improvement.
Whereas when you go to a religion, especially the Catholic religion, you have to say that it came right from the hand of Christ and is perfect.
And that he knew all the days to come, and he didn't make allowances for any changes.
He said when he left, go teach all nations everything that I've taught you.
Mr. Gibson, Bill, we are coming up on our first break of this hour, so we're going to put the brakes on the thing right there, and we are going to continue on with Hutton Gibson, and we encourage everyone to take a look at his website.
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I'm James Edwards, Bill Rowland, co-hosting with me this evening as we continue on with our interview of Hutton Gibson.
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Mr. Gibson and Bill were involved in the previous segment of a discussion of the Catholic faith and some of the Liberal policies that have come to afflict the Catholic Church, and we are going to later bring into play some more contemporary political issues and get Mr. Gibson's thoughts and prescriptions on what exactly our people can do to take back the church and take back all of our institutions, including perhaps even our government.
But, Bill Rowland, until then, back over to you.
Mr. Gibson, I think there's one Pope who particularly embodies all of the modernist visions or all the modernist heresies within the Catholic Church.
And certainly that would be the media superstar, John Paul II.
And clearly, I think we see that any Christian could see that John Paul II engaged in heresies such as paying homage at the wailing wall in Jerusalem and also kissing the Koran.
I mean, what is your you're looking from a devout traditional Catholic position at John Paul II?
What do you say?
He was a complete plant.
He was a Russian agent or a communist agent from the beginning.
He's the only bishop that could get out of Poland without any trouble during the communist control.
And he certainly pushed it.
Was there any connection?
Did he have any connection, Cardinal Wotiwa, to the Masons or any particular groups?
Obviously, he must have been working somewhat with the communists, and as you say, in order to have such free passage between East and West.
Yes, and he insisted at the Vatican II that communism be not discussed because he said he had to deal with them, which is nonsense.
You deal from strength.
Well, I can remember that somehow he managed to pose himself as something of a hero of the solidarity movement and of the subversion or of the overthrow of communism in Poland.
So actually, the opposite was true.
He was actually working with them the whole time.
This is one thing about our last five.
They have several facets to their character and their actions.
And they don't seem to, the left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing, and the feet don't seem to know what either hand is doing.
Hutton, what would be your critique of the current Pope?
Now, he caught some, I guess you would call it politically incorrect flap at the beginning for his involvement in World War II, but apparently he obviously has to be a team player here in order to keep his papacy, is he not?
What's your critique?
And to be employed as a cardinal in the first place.
Exactly.
Exactly.
They all get in there, and the whole bunch at the top are, if they're not outright queer, they're supportive of it.
They do nothing about the terrible things that have been going on among the clergy and the bishops.
See, and I wish we had a Catholic Church or anyone in a position of extreme power as the Pope is to really come down hard on these abominations, homosexuality, abortion, so on and so forth.
It just doesn't seem as though we have a strong Christian voice coming out of the Vatican these days, and this is something that concerns me.
And is the current Pope progressively worse than John Paul II?
Are they getting progressively worse?
Or is he about the same, in your opinion?
What do you see there in terms of the progression of it all?
They're getting worse all the time.
This fellow was one of the Periti at Vatican II, one of the people there to instruct these poor ignorant bishops how they should change the church.
You know, the first thing they did when they got in there, they had this Ashi Lehnart, who was a known Freemason, get up and refuse all the documents.
They wanted to make their own documents up.
They weren't there to look at the other stuff that was there.
And so they chucked out everything, and the only thing left for them that was not part of the, what would you call the agenda, was this thing on the liturgy.
And they simply pushed that through.
See, this fellow has not changed his stripes or his spots or anything.
He's the same heretic that he was then, all the way through.
Well, see, and this is the thing, I had the opportunity to have a very pleasant private phone conversation with you yesterday in preparation of today's interview.
And one of the things I told you was that as a younger man, I had always hoped that if we lost all of the other institutions, that we would still have a stronghold or a last bastion, a fortress with the church.
But it seems as though the church has been infiltrated in the same way that the media has been infiltrated, that the government has been infiltrated, that academia has been infiltrated.
What can we do as Christians and as constitutional conservatives in order to regain our institutions, Mr. Gibson?
Well, we look at what they've done and show that they are in contravention of all our former doctrines.
That synthesis of all heresies, that's not my phrase.
Pius X called modernism that.
And Pius IX had put out a long series of condemned propositions of the modernists.
And so had Leo XIII.
And his was 40 condemned propositions taken from the writings of a gentleman named Rosmini Servate.
And believe it or not, the new church has canonized this man.
With 40 condemned heresies under his belt, this new church comes out and canonizes him.
Well, see, I mean, and that therein lies, you know, a symptom of the problem.
It's, of course, a greater disease than that.
This is just one of the manifestations of it.
But again, I mean, what can we do?
What can people like yourself do?
I mean, obviously, you've written books about it.
You're speaking out of it in interviews.
But what can, I mean, there are a lot of people listening tonight who want to become active.
They want to become part of a solution.
What would you advise them to do in order to do some good in reclaiming our institutions?
What would you say to the listener tonight who wants some marching orders?
Boycott.
Boycott what?
The whole doggone official Catholic Church.
It's all up in the air and it's not going to come down in a normal spot.
You can bet your boots.
So basically, withhold support, financial support or otherwise, from these institutions that have apparently gone to war with itself, or at least with the people who supported the average parishioner who is in support of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church is at war with him and really the faith that he holds.
Right.
It's a completely different group.
And it has all the control.
It will not listen to anybody.
You know, when this stuff started, 100,000 priests quit.
Exactly.
They weren't all chasing women.
They said, this is not what I signed on for.
Goodbye.
Well, you know, so, all right.
Well, we've got to take a break right there.
A lot of questions, and I appreciate your candor thus far.
We're going to regroup here.
We've still got a couple of more segments tonight with Hutton Gibson.
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Bill Rowland, our very special guest, Hutton Gibson.
And we have been talking to Mr. Gibson again about the manifestation of heresy in the Catholic Church, as well as the overall secularization of the Christian faith in general.
And along those lines, I'll turn it back over to my colleague, Bill.
Mr. Gibson, the Apostle St. Paul wrote that we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities.
And this leads me to the question of the Antichrist inside of the Catholic Church.
What is the spirit of Antichrist in the church today, in the Christian faith, and who are the responsible parties?
Who are the Antichrists that we face, even if they be of flesh and blood?
Well, the people who have taken over the church, and it's been taken over like every legitimate government in the world from the top.
It's the same plot.
Why would they vary the method?
And it seems to work.
You know, that's something that we've always said, Bill, and I'll turn it back over to you.
It seems as though Christians, Gentiles, members of the West, European Americans, paleoconservatives, we seem to be defeated at every turn, at least over the last century, to be sure.
And one thing that we have said is that we must begin studying and mimicking the tactics of the left, of the people who have been successful in taking over our institutions and taking over the church.
They have been incredibly successful and victorious, and we would do well to learn from them and begin implementing pages from their playbook.
But Bill, I digress.
Back to you.
In any event, there must be a spirit in the church that is a negative spirit, a dark spirit.
And what do you think is in the soul of these priests, these cardinals, these antichrists?
What is it that is in their soul that has turned them so far away from Christ and so deeply into the heresies and the apostasies which they practice?
Well, they were bent that way, and they are organized.
You know, if the communists take over a labor union, they're there.
They do all the work.
Everybody listens to them because they're there.
They're doing everything.
And eventually people seem to think, well, they are competent.
Let's let them run.
But see, we have never figured on anything like that.
We never figured on, though it's in the New Testament that there will be an apostasy.
It says before the end, which of course isn't necessary because it can't happen after the end.
And it's pretty well described in St. Paul's second epistle to the Thessalonians, chapter 2.
And his remedy is hold fast to the traditions, traditions, which you have learned from us.
And I appreciate that sentimentality, and certainly that's something that we try to practice in our lives as best as we can.
But let me ask you this, Mr. Gibson, one of your books, which, again, ladies and gentlemen, is available for purchase, autographed, The Enemy is Still Here.
Who is precisely the enemy?
I mean, if we're going to go and confront these people intellectually, with our ideas, who is the enemy?
Is it an abstract force or is it a specific group of people that we can readily identify?
It's the whole government of the church in Rome.
You might find an occasional Catholic somewhere outside of Rome, but they're in complete control in Rome.
And they are spreading their heresies and they are canonizing their devotees by the thousands and without proper confirmation or anything of the sort.
They start with the bit in their teeth and they think this is wonderful.
We have freedom.
Our freedom is theirs to obey, obey the proper authority, God.
And if we don't, there is an awful penalty attached to it.
These people don't seem to worry about the penalty.
They may have kidded themselves into thinking there is no hereafter.
Let me ask you a question.
I don't want to sound too conspiratorial or give the impression that I'm trying to be sensationalist here.
But there was talk, for instance, that John Paul I was murdered by this group of heretics and apostates.
What are your feelings on John Paul I and his death?
Well, he wasn't so great either.
He had gone heretical.
But, see, they had a bank which Pius X started up in Venice, and the Vatican Bank sank it.
It was the equivalent of a credit union.
And nobody in Venice was in the pocket of the bankers.
They would support each other, and this thing ran very well.
And Marcinkus, I believe, the Archbishop, when they call the gorilla, the guy from Chicago, or Cicero, rather, which, of course, is across the street from Chicago in Al Capone territory.
And they called him the gorilla because he was a large fellow.
And he was engaged in the Vatican Bank, and he sank the discredit union in Venice.
And down came the Cardinal from Venice, and they had blood in his eye to get rid of the people who get rid of his bank.
And coincidentally, they were doing a lot of other things, too.
And I'm sure they got rid of him.
In fact, his body was discovered, what, around 7 a.m. and the undertakers have been waiting in the street for the call since 5 a.m.
Things like that, which showed up in David Yallop's book, which I think targets it pretty well.
It was a financial deal with him more than a doctrinal thing.
Oh, he was just part of the same corrupt system and just became a victim of it, I guess, sort of like a Mafia Don who is taught in the conspiracies of other mafia dons, in a sense.
Right.
Well, now, when we talk about enemies of the church, obviously we have to come to some conclusions about those who are not of the Christian faith at all and those who hold the Christian faith in utter contempt.
Notably, of course, we know that the Muslims enslaved Christians for years and have suppressed Christians.
And of course, there is a very great hostility against Christianity among particularly secular Jews.
I mean, do you see these threats coming at us from outside the faith as dangerous as what's going on inside the faith?
Well, they have their people inside doing their work.
A good many of these people in Rome are Freemasons, which is grounds for ejection, excommunication.
You join the Freemasons, you're out of the church.
And so, therefore, John XXIII was not eligible to be a Pope.
He was a Freemason.
And Paul VI, you could say the same.
Well, in talking about the Freemasons, who is at the core of the Freemason leadership who basically are giving the marching orders here?
Well, that's one of those things.
You don't find out who they are.
It's pretty hard to pin them down.
Well, one thing that you said, Mr. Gibson, that I agree wholeheartedly with is that these people, these antichrists, people who hate Christianity, have their agents within the church, which I think goes back to something that we were talking about earlier, at least that I was referencing earlier.
Do you think that there's a correlation there in part of a greater plan?
Do you think that the same people who are actively engaged in the attempted destruction of the church and the faith, do you think these are the same people who are actively infiltrating our government in academia, Hollywood, etc.?
Yes.
One word answer, yes, and so do I.
Well, that being said, we've got time for one more segment with Hutton Gibson.
We're about to come up on another commercial break.
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Welcome back to the show, the final segment of tonight's second hour.
We still have an hour to go this evening, although this will be our last segment with Hutton Gibson, and we are very, again, pleased and honored to have him with us tonight.
Mr. Gibson, as I said in the previous segment, or excuse me, in the first hour of tonight's show, those who best understand the strength of a tide in a nation are those with the courage to swim against it.
And I applaud you and salute you for all that you've done with your life, speaking out on controversial matters and telling the truth in love.
I can only hope that I will live a life as accomplished as yours has been.
And I certainly appreciate the viewpoints that you've shared with us thus far on the church.
These are viewpoints that I certainly agree with to a large degree.
And hopefully our audience is being educated as much as they are being entertained.
But now I'd like to shift gears for what little bit of time we have remaining and talk a little bit about contemporary politics.
You've certainly injected yourself into that as well.
And Bill knows a little bit more about that.
Yeah, yes, Mr. Gibson.
I noticed, you know, for instance, on your website that you were very favorable towards Ron Paul in the last election.
And what do you see in terms of American politics?
Where is our hope?
And give us your ideas on Ron Paul and his movement, which has actually grown into the Tea Party movement and it seems to have awakened people to a lot of dangers in this country.
And people are actually beginning to take action.
Well, somebody has to say something once in a while.
Ron Paul, what's your opinion on him?
Obviously, you favored him in the last election or had some nice things to say about him.
What about Ron Paul in particular impressed you?
Well, nobody else was there that was worth a vote.
That's for sure.
Well, he certainly did, I think, bring a new force to politics in terms of his ability to get up and tell the truth and address the real problems in this country as opposed to the staged problems that we face and the staged solutions.
But in terms of the direction of the country, most people believe now, I think, that things are going to get worse before they get better.
What do you see happening in the country over the next four years under the Obama administration?
Are we going to be gradually or even suddenly thrust into a more totalitarian system?
And what are the danger signs?
Well, our industry is disappearing.
And it takes a while to get rid of it all, but I think they're capable of doing it.
They certainly do not have any of the country's welfare at heart, or any part of the country.
They're out to destroy it, the same as the people in Rome are out to destroy the church.
And there, again, I think is the correlation.
And it seems as though you always have a common denominator in these matters, if it's anti-Western, if it's anti-Christian.
And again, Mr. Gibson, you know, we understand that our people have a power.
We have the ability to boycott and withhold our support of certain institutions and certain policies that we don't like.
But what more than that do you think the people listening to this radio program tonight could do to engage themselves in some sort of a solution?
I mean, what would you have people do?
Well, or is there anything they can do?
I mean, that really is the million-dollar question.
Certainly, if I knew an answer, I would – It gets less and less they can do all the time.
But one thing they better not do is give up their guns.
There you go.
That right there is a great word of advice coming directly from Hutton Gibson.
And certainly this is a program that ardently defends the Second Amendment.
But anything else?
Or is that really the best thing that people could do right now?
Well, it's one of those things.
In Russia, they proceeded, you know, they turn around at 2 in the morning and they didn't have any alarm system where people would gather and support the people that were being raided.
If they could bring up something of that sort, a regular alarm system, where when one bunch is besieged by some government agency which doesn't belong, and federal agencies in particular, don't belong in the states.
That's right.
Absolutely right.
Mr. Gibson, that's one thing I wanted to ask you about.
I noticed on your website that you had mentioned at a We the People conference in 2004 that secession is the best option for stopping government excess and stopping government tyranny.
Your ideas on secession real quick before we go.
Well, secession is see, there were certain powers delegated to the federal government by the states.
And the federal government has gone ahead and seized a lot of them.
One of the delegated things was the coinage and distribution of money.
And it's a delegated power.
And the federal government had no right whatsoever to hand it over to a private bank like the Federal Reserve.
You are absolutely right.
I tell you what, if you're willing at some point in the future, I know we purposefully wanted to focus on a vastly important topic, that being the church tonight.
I would love to talk to you more about contemporary politics because you're certainly speaking our language.
And it's so refreshing to hear a man of your stature speaking on things that seem to just fly over the head of the average citizen and the average voter.
I mean, they have no understanding about the Federal Reserve and the great usurpation of power that the government has has taken, the obliteration of the Constitution that they are engaged in.
I mean, this is just well, you want to focus on what's wrong with America.
I mean, we we could keep you on for a couple of weeks and never scratch the surface on that, I guess.
Yeah, well, there are a lot of people that are up on that.
So I try to stick to the religion thing because I don't think there's too many of them in my field that will agree with me.
They're all trying to work out some deal with the so-called Pope.
And he can't be a Pope because he's not a bishop.
And he's not a bishop because they changed the sacrament of holy orders about 1968.
And he was made a bishop in the 70s when it was too late.
He has a man-made sacrament to put him in.
Now, the sacraments, according to the church's definition, were instituted by Jesus Christ to give grace.
And no man can create something to give you grace.
He doesn't have it.
He's had no control of it.
And these are just truly basic, you know, almost basic fundamental doctrines of our faith.
And unfortunately, these are things that are too easily forgotten now.
And certainly, when it comes to Catholicism in general, you are an authority on the matter.
I appreciate your traditional standing on these issues and coming back full circle and insummation.
I mean, obviously, you were brought on this program tonight to talk more about that.
Your books, two of your books, which are available.
Now, there are some free downloads, I understand, of some of your other works available at huttongibson.com.
But if people are interested in learning more about a topic that, as you mentioned yesterday in our private talk, I mean, it's just a huge topic.
I mean, we barely scratched the surface tonight.
But if they do want to learn more, you have two books for sale, which are autographed.
Is the Pope Catholic is the first title, the second being The Enemy is Still Here.
Mr. Gibson, a final word from you to the audience tonight about why it is important that they learn more from your website and from your books.
Well, they're not going to hear it anywhere else.
Even people that were raised Catholic, supposedly, from the late 50s on were not properly instructed.
And they don't pass it on because what they have is not worth passing on.
You've got to go back and look at the original.
That's what I stick to.
I have never invented anything.
The original that's handed down from Jesus Christ was good enough for you.
It should be good enough.
In the 19th centuries, it was good.
Now, suddenly, we're brighter than our ancestors, and we can tell what's good for us.
Well, I certainly don't believe that.
It's great to know that you don't believe that either.
Ladies and gentlemen, check him out at huttongibson.com.
Mr. Gibson, again, extreme honor to interview you tonight.
And Godspeed to you as you continue your work.
Thank you very much.
Hutton Gibson, everyone.
Great honor.
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Still another hour forthcoming tonight in the political cesspool.
You just heard from Hutton Gibson, father of Academy Award-winning director and actor Mel Gibson.
That was his dad.
And we're going to talk more about it.
We're going to break it all down.
What a show we've had thus far.
The third hour still coming.
Stay tuned.
Hour of tonight's installment of the political cesspool coming your way right after these messages.