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Feb. 2, 2026 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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DOJ DROPS New Epstein Files, Viral Post Says EPSTEIN IS ALIVE

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Epstein W's and Poll 00:14:50
tate brown
What is up, Patriots?
I'm back.
I'm back.
I've returned to my saddle, my captain's chair here.
Libby and Lisa did a really good job holding it.
I don't know what you guys thought.
I don't know if you guys, I'm only if you guys caught the show.
I caught the show.
It was really some excellent stuff.
I was on a bit of a pilgrimage, sabbatical, whatever you want to call it.
I was in Britain for the week.
That's all there really is to it.
But we are back, and my goodness, have some stories dropped.
Epstein is back in the news.
These emails are pretty funny.
The emails are pretty funny.
They're pretty funny.
Like, I know this is, you know, we're talking about some of the most sinister crimes probably in the last century for sure.
I mean, it's like absolutely evil, evil stuff, absolutely heinous stuff.
But some of these emails that have dropped, they're kind of funny.
They're kind of funny.
They're kind of fun.
I mean, this guy's a really weird guy.
He's really eccentric guy.
So we're going to get into all of that.
I'm your host, Tate Brown, here, holding it down.
I hope all has been well.
I've missed you guys.
I really have missed you guys.
I'm trying to get warmed up to get back in the show.
Again, I'm not really like a pro at this.
Maybe for some of you guys that aren't watching, I've really only started doing this like in June or May, that sort of thing.
So we're getting going.
We're getting going.
But we got some great stories.
So obviously we have the Epstein stuff.
We're going to break down a lot of the emails, some of the highlights from that.
There's some really good stuff in there.
Sounds really bad to be talking about like an evil pedophile cabal and be like, there's some funny stuff in there.
It's not a great, great sounding look.
You just gotta, you gotta bear with me.
It's pretty.
There's some interesting.
I digress.
We also have the Arch going up in DC.
I don't know if you guys have seen this.
Trump's gonna build a new Arc de Triumph in DC.
It's really gonna be something special.
I'm loving it.
I'm really excited about that.
And finally, we have the Grammys.
I know you guys love the Grammys.
I know you guys were all locked in for it, all tuned in.
Oh, absolutely amazing stuff.
The Grammys has never been more relevant, if you really think about it.
I mean, this is really the top shelf entertainment showcase of the world.
So we're gonna break that down.
We do have the great Libby Emmons joining us at the half hour mark.
You probably saw her on the show here last week hosting, and she will be here.
And we're gonna be breaking down the Epstein stuff, the Grammys, et cetera.
And I also got Producer Surge in the house.
Surge, what is going on?
unidentified
What's up?
serge du preez
How you doing, guys?
tate brown
Do you guys like the new camera setup?
What do you think?
Surge, flashback door quick.
Let's walk you through what they're seeing.
We got both flags going on.
We really wanted to, you know, accentuate what's going on specifically.
serge du preez
It's just enough.
tate brown
Yeah, so it's really getting wacky and wild.
So with that, I'm going to open up with this.
I caught some, uh, I caught some, some intrigue.
There were some people on the, oh, I got to freaking adjust this one.
One second, dude.
Freaking, we'll do it live on my Bill O'Reilly type job.
serge du preez
I forgot about it, too.
It's fine.
tate brown
Frick, dude.
serge du preez
No, it's right.
Just grab this, grab the sides.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tate brown
Ah.
serge du preez
There you go.
tate brown
How's that looking?
Oh, frick.
Side camera.
Bang, look at that.
unidentified
Boom.
serge du preez
Looks pretty good.
tate brown
Looks really good, actually.
We got some interesting stuff going on.
This was from me.
I'm the lead today.
I'm the lead story.
I was at Hadrian's Wall, and I really felt this powerful sort of emotion.
I think it's maybe because I am of Judeo-Christian extraction.
You know, that's really my civilization.
So when I was passing by this wall, Hadrian's wall here, I really felt this strong urge to just pray over it and pray with it even.
We have some people putting some thoughts in here.
The wall is very special to God's chosen people.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I think you could make the argument that the British are actually God's chosen people.
I think there's a good argument for that.
They've really created some fantastic countries, the United States being included.
Yeah, so I just, I had a little prayer on here.
And people are asking if I kissed the wall.
I did.
It was a French-style kiss.
I really had a good time with the wall.
Me and the wall are expecting, actually.
It's really some really great stuff.
So with that, let's get into the first story.
I don't even know how that happened.
I'm going to leave it at this.
This one is really something special.
Jeffrey Epstein sent five nights at Freddy's Porn via 4chan Links email show.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
tate brown
Wow, dude, what is going on?
Things are getting wacky and wild.
This Epstein guy, you know, he's an interesting guy.
I don't know if this has been, I don't know if this thought has been expressed before.
He's an interesting guy, right?
He's a very intriguing character.
There's a lot of this.
I don't even know how we begin to break this down because I think everyone in the audience is probably tired of this story to some degree because they're just repeating the same things at nauseum.
So that's why this email drop was kind of refreshing because most of the actual interesting stuff that people are pontificating on is like unsubstantiated.
Like there's there's not much.
Like Pat Casey really broke this down quite well.
He said, people believe the recent Epstein files drop is a bombshell because they're confusing unfounded allegations and hotline tips for actual evidence.
That's it.
It's like a mass reading comprehension failure.
I truly question how many of these people are sentient.
It's bewildering.
This just refers to the average person.
They're definitely bad faith actors recklessly or knowingly promoting falsicity for engagement to damage Trump, et cetera.
At least the Democrats who know what they're doing aren't sabotaging their own side in the process.
The fact that the average Epstein truther's response to these points to me accusing me of defending Jeffrey Epstein, a man who was justly found guilty for his crimes and is now dead, illustrates the low level of human capital we're dealing with here.
So again, this is a correct take because a lot of people are like coming after, we're coming after Pat and they were like, oh, well, you're defending, you know, a guy that literally ran like a pedophile island, which is not what's happening.
Again, Pat's just saying like we've kind of pushed on this as much as we can with like the actual hard evidence that would be presentable in court where everything else is kind of pontification to a degree.
Also, like for what it's worth, in this files dropped, there's like barely anything about the island, the island in and of itself.
And that's kind of like the big question is like who went to the island?
Who's on the flight logs?
You know, who was there?
Who's President Island?
What was going on at the island?
That's the kind of the crux of the Epstein story is what was going on at that island because we actually kind of know basically what Epstein's dealings were in the United States for the most part.
That's been sort of exposed, et cetera, et cetera.
The island is the question mark.
And if you go through these files, which we have the world's finest autists are on that, are on the case already.
There's not too much in there regarding the actual island itself, which is frustrating.
I mean, look, I've been seeing this Epstein stuff for a very long time.
I'm not new to the game, but there's just not enough there.
And like the, again, the big takeaway here is that people are just going in on Trump.
That's just the most bizarre thing is like Trump is somehow complicit in covering this up.
It's just, again, based off of unsubstantiated leaks and anonymous tips, people are literally citing tips to the FBI as hard evidence.
Like Chuck Johnson has become like a primary source for a lot of these people.
It's absolutely ridiculous going on.
But there's some really bizarre stuff in here.
Like, again, this is from Kotaku.
Jeffrey Epstein sent five nights at Freddy's porn via 4chan Links email show.
serge du preez
Kotaku is crazy, dude.
unidentified
That's wild.
tate brown
You know, Kotaku ended up being sort of the sort of X factor in the journalism world of this story specifically.
You can see here he's sending a link to five minutes of Freddy.
He got banned off of Xbox Live for doing that?
Not for the future.
I think he was just harassing people and chatting to people.
This is what it was.
Yes, Epstein, he was banned from Xbox Live in 2013 after Microsoft found out he was a registered sex offender.
serge du preez
Wow.
tate brown
Is that enough to get banned from Xbox being a registered sex offender?
serge du preez
I mean, I've heard a lot of stuff on Xbox Live in Modern Warfare 2 chats.
tate brown
Yeah, I don't know.
That seems like, I mean, I'm not trying to defend sex offenders here, but don't they have the right to game a little bit?
serge du preez
They let the steam off somewhere, right?
tate brown
Yeah, like, hey, like, that's separate from the video game world if you're a sex.
I don't know.
I'm not, I don't want to, I'm not going to get on this show and make a bold defense of sex offenders' rights to play Call of Duty or whatever, but that just seems like a little heavy-handed for Microsoft.
So with that, we have some great stories here.
Serge, I think you're kind of the expert on this.
Like, I'm, I'm kind of a, I think the official term is a Zogbot Normitard.
I think that's what I've been sort of referred to as.
But creator and past owner of 4chan, Chris Poole, not our Chris Poole at Temcast.
serge du preez
We love Chris Pool.
tate brown
He's a different Chris Poole known as Moot, was in contact with Epstein, possibly opened the board poll up after meeting with him.
So obviously for the audience, like Poll is the politically incorrect board, which is where a lot of political discussion and like some crazy stuff was going on.
But sir, like, can you break this down?
Because you know a lot more on this 400.
serge du preez
I mean, you can just like, if you just look at this image right here, I can't, I can't pull it up.
There it is.
If you see on the image right there, you see the date, October 23rd, 2011.
If anyone knows Ball, that's during Occupy Wall Street, which is a really important time in history.
And if you think about Occupy Wall Street as kind of being this watershed moment where all the gay race communism kind of happened after that.
And even Tim talks about how he was at Occupy and they started doing like the whole like identify, oh, we're on stolen land.
All that stuff started kind of again, watershed moment at Occupy.
During that time period, apparently, people probably know this.
Chris Poole met Jeffrey Epstein, and then shortly thereafter, Poll was founded and created on 4chan.
And then also another thing that's kind of related to that is people are always talking about how it's a Mossad thing and Poll was started to help Israel's message and whatever like that.
Another crazier thing that goes even deeper than that is actually stuff like Gamergate was really suppressed on Poll.
People on V, which is a different image board, started talking about it much more and people were being suppressed on poll for even bringing up Gamergate.
And then people went informed 8chan, which is a totally different website to that because they want to talk about these things.
Kind of similar to how the Donald became its own Reddit that became its own site.
It happened a lot during that period of time.
But that was, I think that's stuff that even the finest audits on 4chan had no way of predicting this was ever going to be the way that this story would come out, dude.
Let alone about Moot himself.
It's wild.
tate brown
I mean, so the implication here is that presumably if Epstein was sort of in like one thing interesting, let me see if I have it.
I'm going to thumb through here.
Here we go.
This is from Mike Benz.
If you're going to go down, I think if you're going to go down the Epstein rabbit hole, Mike Benz would be the guy to go down it with he is level-headed.
He's not going to just drag you into speculation.
He's using hard stuff.
This was weird.
In 1999, Epstein Freedom of Information Act, the CIA to obtain all CIA records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between himself and the CIA.
So clearly, like Epstein was some correspondence between his law firm and the CIA.
Again, it's not entirely clear what's going on here.
serge du preez
But why would his law firm need to contact the CIA?
unidentified
Right.
serge du preez
You know, there's almost no reason for the EDISP to be, you know, chatting.
tate brown
But because that's kind of been the theory for the longest time regarding Epstein is that potentially he was working in correspondence with a foreign government.
serge du preez
Yeah, a specific foreign government.
tate brown
But yeah, so I mean, we know some weird stuff.
Mike Benz himself, you can see this tweet, he's been making the case that Epstein was CIA adjacent for a long time.
For a very, very long time.
So again, you kind of look at just some of the moves he's making, all the connections that he has.
You see stuff like this where the poll, potentially the creation of Poll was an outcome of a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein.
You start to realize like, okay, there's probably a little more to this story than I think it's even more than foreign espionage.
I think there's potentially a CIA link here.
That's not really a shocker, but some wild tweets in here.
We just got our emails in here.
We got to get to some of these.
I'm using the AF Post.
They did a good job of compiling a lot of these wild emails.
This one is bizarre.
This name was redacted in the email.
I give you permission to kill him.
He's apparently with Olga.
He lied to you and he lied to me.
And then Jeffrey Epstein just says, whoops.
No one will lie to you and get away with it for me.
No one whoops is correct.
Dude, this dude is moving like a super villain.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's so weird.
I was looking down.
tate brown
The way he, like, you'll see here, the way he types is like really funny.
serge du preez
It is funny.
And then you know what's funny about that too?
It's like the way he speaks and stuff like that, I can totally see him being on Modern Warfare 2, just like clowning kids in the post-game lobby.
He has that vibe, whether you like it or not, you know?
tate brown
So you can see here, this is probably the worst thing I would say.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
It's one of the worst things Epstein did.
Microtransactions.
He added here, he was an early supporter of microtransactions and Call of Duty, which if you remember, COD was like the first game that had microtransactions and it spread to the rest of the gaming world.
This is what killed the Call of Duty franchise.
So like, you know, I think for the people out there that are maybe still on the fence about Epstein that are like, okay, I understand the sex trafficking, the like literally the worst crimes possible to man, but you still didn't have enough to hate the guy.
serge du preez
Now you do.
tate brown
Now you do.
serge du preez
This is for me.
tate brown
I think this would push anyone over the edge.
serge du preez
I'm not even a gamer, but I hate the idea of microtransactions.
tate brown
It really is brutal.
Here's a weird one.
Epstein said in his emails that the Hebrew word for Poland, Polania, is translated to here dwells God, and that Poland was meant to be a center of Jewish life.
serge du preez
Okay.
tate brown
So I guess here he is making the claim.
And this is it.
I'm going to, I'm going to, you know what?
This is another, I think this could be an Epstein W. You know, I think we need to start logging these is some Epstein W's.
Like, okay, yes, he was a horrible, compromised, terrible human being.
Literally one of the most evil people probably to ever live.
serge du preez
Created microtransactions.
tate brown
Created microtransactions.
But like a broken clock is right twice a day.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's true.
tate brown
Poland is Jewish.
Not a bad take, honestly.
Not a bad take.
Not a bad take.
I'm just saying.
It's not a bad take.
Very interesting take.
But there's something to this.
I've read that a lot of the Jews made up a large proportion of Poland.
Very honest.
serge du preez
Yeah, I was thinking myself, Netanyahu, who's actually Jewish.
I remember that myself before I even read it on the AF Post thing.
tate brown
Netanyahu is Jewish.
serge du preez
Or not Jewish, pardon me, Polish.
tate brown
Are you sure, Netanyahu?
Do we can't be making claims?
serge du preez
He's descended from Polish people.
tate brown
He can't be making claims like this.
serge du preez
Hey, AF Post made the claim, dude.
I'm just reading what AF Post says on the screen in front of me.
tate brown
So you see here, yeah.
So put Poland.
Just interesting.
serge du preez
Should I put them on the FBI tip line?
tate brown
This is my.
serge du preez
No, that makes it legit.
If I put it on the FBI line and everyone can see it because they're reading this incorrectly, that makes it legit, right?
unidentified
Okay.
serge du preez
Pardon me.
I'm sorry.
I should have done that first.
tate brown
Your Honor, it was on the FBI tip line.
This is my favorite one.
This is the best one.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's good.
tate brown
Nadler really gearing up.
Goy Cattle Controversy 00:16:07
tate brown
Amazing how much he hates DJT.
I'm told that 20 years ago, Donald called him a fat little Jew.
unidentified
That's so funny.
tate brown
Oh, man.
It's so true.
He is.
He is.
I mean, this is why it's good.
That's a good copy of Jerry Nyler, who's 5'3 ⁇ , fat and Jewish.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tate brown
He called him a fat little Jew.
I mean, that's just, that's what, that's just, that just shows you Trump has like the best instincts in the game because like, yeah.
serge du preez
And he was talking to Steve Bennon.
tate brown
He was talking to Steve Bennon.
serge du preez
In 2011, that's crazy, dude.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tate brown
Also, like, that's another thing that was uncovered with this entire files drop is like Bannon and then Epstein are pretty close.
serge du preez
Yeah, man, eight.
tate brown
You know, I'm not going to watch the two-hour video live on stream, but there was like a two-hour interview between Bannon and Epstein that dropped.
serge du preez
I wanted to watch that.
tate brown
A little weird.
A little weird.
You know, I like Steve Bannon.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
I don't know.
Epstein, he's a funny guy, apparently.
So maybe he just thought he was a funny guy.
This is like one of Epstein's funniest emails here.
Look at the way he types.
unidentified
It's weird.
tate brown
You can tell he's typing on an iPad.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tate brown
Boomer iPad.
serge du preez
Caps lock is off.
Finger pointing or caps lock is off.
tate brown
Autocorrect is off, and he's just letting it fly.
serge du preez
Non-Cloven.
tate brown
He's talking about designing a pig with non-loven hooves in order to make kosher hoofs.
serge du preez
It's supposed to be cloven.
Like, that's the whole hoof thing.
tate brown
He misspelled Cloven there.
In a 2015 email, Jeffrey Epstein mentions bioengineering pigs with non-cloven hoofs.
Kosher bacon.
serge du preez
So it's like the craziest thing ever, dude.
tate brown
Everyone, when we got these emails, they were expecting like cold, hard proof that like, you know, all these world leaders were like, like it would show their tickets, like of them flying down to Epstein Island.
And we're getting like him discussing microtransactions.
We're getting him, you know, just spitballing here with, you know, just talking to his friends.
Like, what if we, what if we can, like, get the hoof to be, like, stuck together?
serge du preez
That's crazy.
tate brown
So then we can eat bacon as Jews.
serge du preez
It like reminds me of like the Podesta emails when those all dropped with like Hillary's emails.
There were a lot of them were just like random, weird stuff.
Like, what the hell?
And then, and inside that, you'd find like one sentence that was really creepy and weird.
But this is just like the guy is just unhinged.
Like, just, why would you want to make kosher bacon, bro?
tate brown
Like, I think this is, this is why we should, I think.
serge du preez
Bacon's that good.
tate brown
Well, bacon aside, I think this is, this is, we should be taking, we should be drinking this in, this email drop, because this could be one of the last like major email drops.
Because when you think about it, like when I was, when I was reading these emails between Jeffrey just like chopping it up with his friends, just like spitballing ideas, hey, let's do this, let's do that.
I was like, I need to be emailing my friends more.
serge du preez
Emailing?
tate brown
Yeah, I need to be emailing my friends more.
Because it's like, think about it.
Look at that.
That camera's frozen.
serge du preez
Oh, it is.
tate brown
That camera's frozen.
serge du preez
Fix all your library.
tate brown
Well, look at that.
Let's go.
Yeah.
So I need to be emailing my friends more because it's like, then if you ever committed like a, you know, heinous crime or something, at least you would have like some funny emails in there.
My email is just spam.
It's just like, it's all these, all these accounts that I make, you know, because you'd like, you know, if you want to like, you know, convert a PDF to a Word document, you got to make an account and put in your social security number and like send in a blood sample.
Like that's the way that these websites work now.
So my email now is just completely clogged with PDFs.
With like nonsense.
Epstein's in his case was clogged with PDFs.
serge du preez
A lot of the PDF files.
tate brown
A lot of PDF files and Epstein's emails.
But like the whole takeaway, you know what I mean?
Like we should be emailing more.
Like if instead of group chats, because this is, this is like great.
We're watching greatness here.
Not necessarily with Epstein, but as far as email drops.
serge du preez
Careful.
tate brown
Right.
Okay.
Disavow that.
With Epstein's emails and the Podesti emails, there's a lot of emails.
That's exciting stuff.
I send like one email a week, maybe.
serge du preez
Maybe.
tate brown
Maybe one of them.
serge du preez
I didn't send one last week.
tate brown
Yeah, maybe one a month.
I didn't even know.
I barely send emails anymore.
Like I should be chopping it up with the squad.
serge du preez
Like over email.
tate brown
Yeah, I should be doing like chains, you know, like CCing people.
Just CC like one of like the like lesser squad members.
So he feels involved, but he's like not on like the tagline.
We should be doing that.
We should have signatures.
serge du preez
What about boomer chain emails?
We just started Zoomer chain emails.
We just started a whole thing, you know?
tate brown
Yeah, so like, I don't know, maybe we should be doing that because this is kind of convicting to me.
Uh, that, like, yeah, I need to be emailing the squad.
serge du preez
Dude, maybe Kosher Bacon would have happened if we've been emailing the squad.
Yeah, that might have happened.
tate brown
Like, because you're just sitting there like pontificating, and these ideas are coming to you.
Just rip an email, like, just need to fire an email off.
I think that's brilliant.
We have another interesting email here from Epstein.
In a 2014 email, Epstein wrote that he has 650 relatives who are Jewish with 10 different spellings of the surname Epstein, and that he has two recessive genes that cause hyper-I'm gonna screwing bumping bellies, I think would be the official anatomical term.
Dude, just an interesting email, interesting email.
I don't have much to expand on that.
Here's another one he wrote.
Um, I'm probably just gonna blur that with my mouse.
Um, Jeffrey Epstein suggested that black people be banned to solve gun crime, citing a town hall article.
serge du preez
That's crazy.
tate brown
So, here I was thinking Epstein was just like a boomer, like Lib variety.
He's kind of like a just a like a 4channer in a lot of ways.
serge du preez
Like, I mean, he did call Moot like a super cool hacker, and he called him a great hacker.
So, I don't know how 4chan he really is.
He just kind of heard about 4chan.
Yeah, he's LARPing everyone.
tate brown
It's kind of hard to place like someone like this, you know, a Jewish financier, but he's also like interested in a lot of these things.
So, obviously, like, you know, a lot of people are excited by this and they're saying, you know, this is interesting.
This is an interesting, profound take.
I don't think this is a practical political move, but it's interesting that Epstein was like tossing around these ideas because, like I said, I thought he was just like a boomer lib this whole time.
Um, this is probably the best takeaway I think from the whole Epstein thing is that he's normalized the word goyam because I've been sure.
I mean, me and Serge call each other goys like in our daily lives.
serge du preez
That's my goy.
tate brown
It's funny, it's a funny thing to say, but it's been unclear to me if we're like allowed to say that on the air yet.
serge du preez
It's out of word, man.
tate brown
Like, if people understood it, it's not so much like I'm afraid to say it because I'll say a lot of different things, but I just don't know if like people would understand it.
We're reclaiming it, but we're like the Epstein thing is mainstreamed go in.
Like, we can say go ahead now.
I actually had this fear that goy cattle people were going to overuse it and it was just going to replace the word normie because goy cattle means something specific.
But this is interesting.
Um, he was emailing David Stern, the commissioner of the NBA, and David Stern referred to NBA fans as Goyam.
serge du preez
It's crazy, dude.
So crazy.
tate brown
And this guy here, Shar Zada, I don't know very much about him, but he has some funny tweets here and there.
serge du preez
He does.
Yeah, I've seen this guy.
tate brown
He's absolutely correct, sports boss for the Goyam.
It's Bread and Circuses.
Regardless, I'm just glad that we can say Goyam now and everyone kind of understands.
serge du preez
Refer to the Goyam.
tate brown
Refer to the Goyam.
So on that note, on the note of Goy, Yum.
We'll pick that back up with the Grammys.
I think.
I think that's where we'll really break down how the Goy are going a little bit crazy.
serge du preez
The Goy, the Goyammies, huh?
tate brown
The Goyam are a little out of a little overplaying their hand.
This is a really important story here that we should get to.
You know what?
Let's talk about the arch.
I'll brush to the archer quick.
The Washington Post.
So Trump's building this super sick arch in DC.
It's going to be so dope.
It's going to look in Arlington, right?
It's going to be so sick.
It's DC on property, but it's on the other river, yeah.
But DC will own it.
unidentified
Okay.
tate brown
He wants to build a 250-foot-tall arch for America's 250th anniversary.
And these like whiny babies at the Washington Post are saying it's going to be too big.
It's spooking experts who say it's just too big.
Who are these?
What are they experts on?
Things being big?
Are they experts on size?
That doesn't make any sense.
What do you mean they're an expert?
It's the gayest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
What do you mean?
This looks awesome.
serge du preez
It looks so sick.
tate brown
And the way they have the silhouette looks like the eye of Sauron.
serge du preez
Yeah, we haven't even built a new memorial in so long.
tate brown
Yeah, when's the last time we got a cool memorial?
They're building like a freaking, what's the one with MLK's arms?
It looks like he's holding a penis.
You know what I'm talking about?
serge du preez
Oh, yeah, that one.
tate brown
Like, that's what we're building now.
So it's like, thank goodness we're building something cool.
In the article, they even confessed, like, yeah, this guy's look how sick that's gonna be.
That's not blocking anything.
Oh, it's gonna block the view from here, the military women's memorial.
I mean, maybe of the Lincoln.
Yeah, they can look through the arch.
It's an arch.
You can see through it.
If it's tall enough, then you can see if the arch is smaller, you can't see through it.
Dude, yeah, that's got to be big.
That's how you don't block the view.
serge du preez
Yeah, they're making a longer path for that mile.
You know, like you're like where you walk from like the what do they call it, the mall.
Oh, sure.
They're just extending a wall.
Look at how long that is now.
You can go.
Now you can actually go to the to like the uh Arlington Cemetery and make an excuse that I walk the entire thing.
tate brown
I feel like I'm going crazy here because it's like, like, if the problem is it's blocking the view of the Lincoln Memorial, I get that.
I totally get that.
These experts are saying it's too big.
Then make it bigger so the hole is bigger.
So you can actually see the memorial.
serge du preez
It should be bigger.
It should be massive, dude.
tate brown
It should be massive.
So in India today, they picked this up.
They said Trump eyes India Gate style arch.
serge du preez
Okay.
Well, I thought it was Roman.
I thought it was Roman.
tate brown
What is with all these people weighing in?
These experts saying it's too big.
India, India Gate-style.
What?
serge du preez
Yeah, dude.
They had some pretty bass posts last week.
tate brown
Yeah, I just had to throw that in there because it's like, what do you mean, India Gate style?
Out of all the arches that come to mind.
serge du preez
I think it's Rome.
I'm thinking about Greece.
I don't think India Gate style arch.
tate brown
What about the Ark the Triumph?
What about the Washington Arc in DC?
serge du preez
India Gate.
I wonder who built that New Delhi's India Gate.
I wonder who would have put that together.
I wonder who would have been the guy who had the idea for the Indian arch.
tate brown
Yeah, every time you see something cool in India, the British built it.
serge du preez
Yeah, I can always think about who would have done that.
tate brown
Also, India Gate just sounds like a future scandal involving event.
Vivek Ramaswamy.
serge du preez
Something of scammer scandal.
tate brown
It crashes out again, and they just call it India Gate.
Like, that's kind of what I'm thinking.
India Gate.
No, apparently, it's an arch.
serge du preez
I didn't even know about it.
I didn't even know.
I had no idea.
tate brown
These goy, man.
serge du preez
These freaking goy.
tate brown
So let's speak of goil.
Let's get into this real quick.
Speaking of goy cattle, take a look at this.
Billie Eilish weighing in on ice.
billie eilish
No one is illegal on stolen land.
unidentified
We'll give it back to the Indians.
We'll give it back to the Americans.
serge du preez
They don't want to be illegal in their way too.
tate brown
What are you wearing?
serge du preez
That's cultural appropriation.
tate brown
It looks like a pigeon splattered into her.
billie eilish
Excuse me, yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now.
And I just feel really hopeful in this room.
And I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting.
And our voices really do matter, and the people matter.
tate brown
No, they don't.
They don't.
No one cares.
unidentified
Sorry.
tate brown
She says, FI.
No one, no one can.
Your voices don't matter.
Your protests aren't really doing anything because Trump's in charge.
It's like, okay.
serge du preez
You guys could be folks from Minneapolis, but there are so many people being deported in so many other states that it doesn't, it's like a drop in the bucket in reality.
It's still happening.
No matter what you're doing.
tate brown
Yeah, no one is illegal on stolen land.
serge du preez
Yeah, so give it back to the Native Americans then.
unidentified
Yeah, literally.
serge du preez
Give it back to them.
Give back the original landscape.
Ridiculous.
tate brown
Terrible idea.
Stolen land.
What about the Confederates?
You know, no one ever talks about that.
You know, when you do these land acknowledgements, no one's ever like, hey, by the way, we're in Florida right now.
Maybe I should open the show up with the land acknowledgement.
We are.
I want to open up the Timcast news live with Rumble by acknowledging we are on stolen Confederate land.
Like, really?
Is that where we are?
Is that where we are?
Seriously?
Like, as a country, are we doing, you know?
serge du preez
I hate that I can't really say any sense.
Like, yeah, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
So pretty much.
tate brown
We have some more bad bunny here.
He just says ice is out.
serge du preez
Do you say in English?
tate brown
He talks like a new man.
unidentified
Get ready.
bad bunny
I'm going to say ice out.
tate brown
That and that accent, that's who needs to go.
serge du preez
Yeah, right.
tate brown
I need to say Puerto Rican, dude.
Come on.
Ice out.
That's number one to go.
That accent right there.
That's like what we're trying to get rid of.
That's what we're trying to get out of the country.
bad bunny
We aren't humans and we are Americans.
We're not aliens.
We aren't humans.
tate brown
I guess you are aliens.
Well, maybe you're in Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico, by the way, is American on a technicality.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
So he's really pushing it.
We're all Americans.
unidentified
All right.
tate brown
You're like America with an asterisk, okay?
Because, like, literally with a budgetary line, we could get rid of Puerto Rico if we really wanted to.
Like, if we're crunching numbers, we're like, we could just cut him loose anytime we want.
serge du preez
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to push back.
He might not be a savage.
He might not be an animal.
He might not be an alien, but I guess he's technically American.
So exactly.
We're not talking about you, dude.
tate brown
Yeah.
serge du preez
We're not talking about you.
You're not the problem.
You're not the people we're trying to get out of the country.
tate brown
Right.
You know, I think it would be nice if we could figure out how to deport Bad Bunny because he's supposed to do the Super Bowl.
serge du preez
Yeah, he is.
tate brown
And the Super Bowl is going to suck if it's him doing the halftime show.
Like, it should be.
Trump is in office.
It should be Creed.
It should be Nickelback.
It should be like a proper American band.
unidentified
I agree.
serge du preez
I agree.
tate brown
None of this, like, gay.
Like, that's what the freaking halftime show.
serge du preez
Dude, at this point, I'd settle for Sinatra or Drop Pick Murphy's, even.
You know what I mean?
tate brown
I would settle for AI Sinatra.
serge du preez
Yeah, AI Sinatra.
tate brown
AI Frank Sinatra over freaking over the Bad Bunny show.
Yeah, if you need to put it up, you just do it for like an hour, and you're going to sit there and you're going to look over at your older family members, and they're going to think you like this.
That's what always happens when they play modern music at the halftime show.
Your older family members look over at you like, this is what you're into.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tate brown
This is so cool.
You know, Kendrick Lamar's not that bad.
He's kind of cool.
He's kind of down with it.
serge du preez
What's that?
The alcohol pool guy?
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
tate brown
So these freaking goy, man.
serge du preez
These freaking goy.
tate brown
So sick of the goy cattle.
Speaking of goy number one, goiam number one.
Stephen Miller, if you can hear me, Stephen Miller, please, please.
He got uh, he got um bailed out right away.
Uh, so he just showed up to the grand preparing for another raid.
What's he gonna do?
Protest, protest the freaking.
Is that why he's theirs?
These people, these people operate with like impunity.
They like legitimately think they run everything.
They legitimately think they're still in power.
Like, this is why it's so important for the Trump administration to like break these people.
serge du preez
Yeah, I agree.
tate brown
So we're gonna grab Libby in a second.
serge du preez
This is together.
tate brown
This is exhibit A for why they call us Goy Cattle.
What are we doing?
So Philip Glass, you know, whatever his politics are.
Philip Glass is a good, you know, good artist.
Says he's withdrawing from the Kennedy Center.
He's just pissed about like this, that, and the other.
serge du preez
Okay, bye.
See ya, dude.
tate brown
Good replacement with Jellyroll.
serge du preez
I wish I wanted that so bad.
tate brown
This is why they call us Goyam, dude.
serge du preez
Jellyroll.
That would be so funny.
tate brown
I think Kennedy suspected for like opera.
serge du preez
That'd be so good.
tate brown
Oh, my gosh.
serge du preez
Hey, dude, it's not over to the fact I sing.
tate brown
Like, you know, I'm all for like delegitimizing the regime and all, but like, like, what are we doing?
Oh, my gosh.
So, um, this is just why they call us.
This is why they call us Goyam.
You know, yeah.
This is why this is why they call us Goy Cattle.
Because, I mean, this is like, this is it.
This really epitomizes, this really epitomizes why we can't win.
So, with that, I think we should go.
serge du preez
I think we should grab Libby.
tate brown
Yeah, go ahead and grab Libby.
So, I got this abolition.
Oh, let's play the ad before I play.
I got an ice whistle from Kevin Pesobic.
Play an ad.
We'll be back with the ad break.
unidentified
Thank you.
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unidentified
All right.
tate brown
Well, we are back.
We are back and we're keeping this show moving along.
And we are joined by the great Libby Emmons.
Libby, how are you doing today?
unidentified
I'm good.
libby emmons
How are you, Tate?
Glad to be here.
tate brown
I'm doing all right.
I wanted to bring you on because there's two stories in particular.
First of all, thank you so much for hosting last week while I was out.
You cracked it.
unidentified
It was awesome.
libby emmons
What a fun job you have.
unidentified
It's great.
tate brown
It's a good time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
So I was watching.
I was across the pond, but I was tuning in.
You did a great job.
So I'm very thankful.
With that, I had to bring you on.
Libby Emmons On Bieber & Songwriters 00:11:14
tate brown
We had two big stories.
Obviously, the Epstein files drop.
It's kind of interesting to gauge what's specifically going on here because, again, there's 3 million files were coming through here.
And it's difficult to gauge how much of this is new revelation or kind of just compounding what we already know.
But we also have the Grammys.
It's kind of two different things.
But I wanted to sort of somehow bring you on top of that.
libby emmons
They're almost kind of the same thing.
tate brown
And in both situations, they both epitomize disdain for Middle America in many ways.
So I guess we should lead first.
Let's lead with the Grammys.
That's the last thing I was talking about.
Billie Eilish going on stage, F-Ice, no one's legal and stolen land.
They're just like rehashing literally 2016 talking points.
It's just so bizarre.
I'm having so much trouble gauging why these people can't really advance their talking points, can't advance their rhetoric, yet we still have trouble completely putting them away.
That's what's so frustrating about seeing that specifically.
But what were your thoughts on the Grammys, some of the things that jumped out to you?
Obviously, Don Lemon was in attendance.
Just a really cringe night overall, I would say.
libby emmons
Yeah, I would say it was really cringy.
There were several cringe moments.
One of them was, of course, Billie Eilish, which you mentioned.
Now, this is not her first rodeo out there parroting leftist talking points.
In 2020, she came out on May 30th, just a few days after George Floyd was killed and spoke about that at length, declaring that white people have privilege and should all shut up about all lives matter.
She listed a few very stupid talking points at the time about privilege and how white people get more opportunities than minorities, which, of course, the Supreme Court went in and was like, really?
Because not getting into Harvard, that's not one of the privileges that white people have or other Ivy League schools.
So that was pretty interesting.
I took a little dive.
She came out in favor of queer by saying she was queer.
That was a thing.
She's very into the whole climate thing.
And of course, she is pro-Palestinian causes.
That's a big issue for her as well.
So Billie Eilish likes to go out there and say whatever she has been told to say by the leftist, overarching, you know, ACLU kind of thing that's out there.
And that's what she does.
She says whatever she's told to say.
You even had the people out there with the anti-ice pins, like Justin Bieber and his wife and a bunch of other ones.
Those pins are not organic, everybody.
Those were handed out by the ACLU.
They were given to the celebrities to wear.
That was pretty cringy.
Bad Bunny was out there with his whole anti-ice, and so were a bunch of the others.
tate brown
It's disappointing seeing that from Bieber because I've maintained for years that Bieber is kind of like, kind of like the avatar for like swagged out white boys, you know, I would say.
Like he's kind of like kind of got that white boy swag.
Disappointing to see him just turn into a boomer libtard.
You know, I really had high hopes for him.
But, you know, as he's getting older, you know, maybe he's got to play the, play the, play the role.
libby emmons
But yeah, I've always been sort of rooting for the Bieber as well.
unidentified
Right.
serge du preez
And he's my favorite Canadian.
Yeah, he's one of my favorite Canadians by far.
tate brown
And gosling.
libby emmons
His performance was not bad.
I don't know if you stuck around for the performances or just tuned in for the cringy speeches, but he had a pretty decent performance.
He was dressed weird.
I think he looked like he was just wearing boxer shorts, which was kind of strange.
But he was silver once, you know, silver ones.
But he was, he essentially like sang to his wife about how much he loved her.
And, you know, I'm cool with that.
tate brown
We do love, we do love a wife guy.
I've also been an avid defender of wife guys for the record.
So I love to see that.
There's so much.
The Bad Bunny thing's hilarious.
He's going to do his Super Bowl this year, which is just insane.
Clearly, he hates the fact the thing that strings all these people together is they hate the existence of borders with the United States.
They believe that the United States is sort of this just global shopping mall that, you know, they want to hold.
libby emmons
They hate America.
Yeah, these are America-hating fools out there.
And they get paraded around by Hollywood and given a bunch of money and given their mansions so that they can say that America is on stolen land.
I don't see them giving them giving their mansions back.
You know, I mean, I looked up Billie Eilish's, whatever her mansion is on, stolen land.
It's the Chamash or something like that.
Bad Bunny, right?
Puerto Rico.
Like, whose land was that, Bad Bunny?
It certainly wasn't the Spaniards who gave you your language.
It didn't belong to them.
unidentified
Literally, yeah.
libby emmons
So that, yeah, and they're just, they're just a couple of them.
I did like the Queen Latifah dochi moment.
I thought that was cute.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah, because that's, that's kind of, I think the litmus test, because, you know, everyone's like, oh, woke is dead.
I think it's a bit premature because I'm like, until you start seeing these major, I guess what I'm trying to get at is with the Grammys, that still indicates that the incentive structures in, you know, sort of these elite circles is still definitely bending towards leftist activism.
Definitely.
And I'm not saying I expect these people to all get up and like, you know, rah-rah, root for the flag, MAGA.
That's really.
But like, you would expect them to really tone it down in moments like that if the incentive structures were truly kind of correcting again.
So that sort of stuff, like, okay, it's funny to laugh.
It's sort of funny to be like cringe, that sort of thing.
But that really does indicate that there's still quite a bit of work to do on the cultural front, Which is it's interesting because I think people on the right are aware of that.
We just don't really know how to penetrate that properly because it feels like when we do make right-wing art, it's just really on the nose.
It just doesn't really land.
It doesn't really connect.
Some of the best examples of great right-wing art weren't explicitly right-wing at all.
They were implicit.
I mean, C.S. Lewis Tolkien, like you go, you go work your way down the list.
There's some fantastic, fantastic works out there.
libby emmons
Yeah, because art has to be true, right?
I mean, explicitly making right-wing art is as propagandist as anything else.
And propaganda isn't art.
It's propaganda.
And so what you have to do, if you want to be an, if you're an artist and you feel compelled to create things, if you're moved by the spirit, as the Quakers would say, to actually create things and communicate with an audience, you need to do that in an honest, a way as possible.
And so that's what really rings untrue to a lot of this Grammy talk and a lot of these sort of more political songs is it doesn't seem true.
So, and also what is conservatism?
You know, conservatism is a celebration of wife guys, for example.
Conservatism is a celebration of family and the joys that you can find with family.
It's a celebration of the culture that we have.
It's a way to say, listen, you know, our nation is actually pretty great.
These freedoms are really good.
Let's not throw them all away so quickly.
Let's not burn everything down without having any idea of how to build things.
If you look at, for example, just to continue my metaphor, if you look at classical beautiful architecture, we don't know how to build that now, right?
We can't, we don't know how to build it.
We don't know how to build it because we've given way to lots of other things.
We use contemporary materials.
We can still build beautiful things, but, you know, we definitely don't know how to do the old things.
We don't, who can do Renaissance art anymore?
We had Chappelle Rowan out there, even fashion.
Chappelle Rowan out there last night was wearing a gown on the red carpet that was clipped to her nipple piercings.
It was, it stopped here at the nipples, you know, fully breast visible and everything.
And I didn't think that was very artistic at all.
It's sort of propagandist toward complete degradation, which is a shame.
But yeah, if you're an artist and you want to make art, don't worry about your political leanings.
Just make stuff that's true and real and beautiful, you know?
tate brown
It's just blackbilling because it's like you see so many people out there that are making art that reflects a lot of those traits.
But because everything in our culture has become so, for lack of a better word, like sloppified, I mean, you go, like your architecture point is excellent because you go anywhere.
Tucker Carlson made this point a few years ago where he's like, go to the DMV.
It's a, you know, sheetrock, synthetic drop ceiling, laminate, laminate tile, these sorts of things.
Nothing in there is like an element that you would find in the real world.
Nothing in there is a natural thing that as a human being, you could identify and say, I know exactly how that was procured.
It's all very synthetic, very removed, very foreign feeling.
And that's the case with pretty much every building that you're going to interact with on a daily basis in the United States.
That really kind of breaks you down as a human being at a very subconscious level.
And that's the same thing with the music, where it's like the music doesn't even necessarily need to mean anything because it's just going to play over the speakers and it's going to be like, the way it's designed is for it to be catchy enough where it just kind of clicks for people.
So it's like, that's the frustrating.
I don't even know if you can reorient the incentive structure to more, so these musicians make like normal statements because it's all slop on kind of on purpose at this point.
libby emmons
They don't make anything intentional.
There are some people that make things that are intentionally beautiful and you like to think that maybe those pieces stand out.
You know, that would be great if those pieces stand out.
Carol King gave the, she did the little announcement about for singer-songwriter award.
She said, you know, all these singer-songwriters know how it feels to really create something beautiful and want to communicate with their audience.
And then she listed off who the songwriters were.
And like two of them were actual singer-songwriters.
And the rest were basically singing songs that were like, Look at my butt.
And look at me, you know, like stuff like that.
And you're like, what even is what is this?
These are not singer-songwriters.
These are manufactured pop tunes that everyone's going to forget five minutes.
I can't even think of what they were.
None of them were even sticky enough to stay in my head, except for the one that won, which is that messy song, which will get stuck in my head forever, you know.
And isn't that, it's not that bad.
But yeah, I think that it's, I think there is a problem with the incentive structure.
And I would love to see more.
I always say this.
I've been saying this since I was a kid.
I would love to see more young people making art.
And I said that when I was 19, and I'm saying it now.
I just want more artists making more stuff and bucking these systems, putting it out on their own, you know, which, of course, is how a lot of this stuff got out there.
Bad Bunny wouldn't exist if it wasn't for, you know, streaming services and things like that.
He wouldn't have been able to get past the whole radio play thing.
And I'm not a fan.
I'm not a fan of his at all.
I think it's, I don't even speak Spanish.
And like, I just, I don't like reggaeton.
Sorry.
I think it's yucky sounding.
It all sounds the same.
tate brown
Yeah.
It's literally the same song over and over again.
unidentified
It's horrible.
tate brown
I don't know how people do it.
But a whole society loves it, I guess, I suppose.
He's doing a Super Bowl.
He's doing something.
libby emmons
Not really this society.
You know, they're forcing it down our throats.
tate brown
Literally.
libby emmons
And I think that's, I think that's a shame.
I think we could think of other people we'd rather see play the Super Bowl.
Bieber, for example.
I would be like, yeah, okay, sure.
Okay, Bieber.
tate brown
Bieber would be like sick.
I would be a front row going crazy.
serge du preez
I would go to that.
tate brown
You can kind of tell where the incentive structure is because of Barack Obama at the end of the year.
He always puts out his list of like his favorite songs of the year or whatever.
First of all, you know, he's not listening to any of those songs.
serge du preez
No way.
tate brown
I don't know.
He probably listens to like weird ambient, you know, music of like screams or something.
If I had to guess, right?
libby emmons
Like Diamanta Galas and Mask or something like that.
Afford Luxury? 00:02:46
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Like he's just listening to the sound of like a Rube Goldberg machine in operation.
I think that would be his, you know, Spotify.
But he puts on, and it's all generic top 40 slop and then like random Spanish songs that he puts in there.
And I'm like, dude, we all know this isn't real, but that just, that's like him signaling to America.
He's like, I want you to produce slop because slop breaks down the human spirit.
And what does a defeated, broken human being that has no sense of the divine do?
They become a leftist.
So it's like, it's like the ultimate way to produce leftists is to continue to demoralize and continue to push that rift in between them and God.
And the music you take in is a great way because when you listen to music, people don't realize.
This is why I encourage people not to listen to music that's like really draining.
That's soul-crushing because that builds up and it's like a well.
What goes in the well comes up in the bucket.
serge du preez
So I agree.
libby emmons
I think about that.
Like I was at church yesterday and I go to this church that is full.
I couldn't find parking and it's very icy out here, but I couldn't find parking at all.
Everything was packed.
The building is gorgeous.
You walk in and you're like, wow, this is a beautiful church.
And then the choir kicks in with some Latin church music.
Absolutely the best church music is the old Latin stuff.
And you do feel your spirit lifted.
You feel that you feel like I am part of something glorious in this mankind.
I am part of something that can create beautiful things and that can lift spirits.
And going to those banks, like you mentioned, or the Panera Bread or these mid-level restaurants where the decor is just, it's the matification of the human spirit.
And it's so, it's, it's draining and sad to be there.
And even when you, you know, you say this, but like even when you look at what passes as luxury, if you're paying, you know, 280, 300 for a hotel room, you walk in and it's just as crappy as if you paid 80 bucks for whatever hotel airport you stay at.
It's like luxury isn't even luxury anymore.
And what I find frustrating about that as someone who doesn't, who can't particularly afford luxury at all times, I occasionally will splurge.
You know, I like the nice things.
But you want, you can't even, even the rich people can't afford the thing that you imagine wealth can give you.
tate brown
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know, you can't even afford that.
There's some, there's some very beautiful banks in Brooklyn, but most of the time, like you said, you walk into the bank and it's like everything is just sort of squashing you down and telling you that you are trash and that you live in trash and that your country is trash and that your money is garbage and everything is bad.
And I'm with you on just being sick of that.
I want to be surrounded by beautiful things.
And it doesn't take cash to create beautiful things.
It just takes an interest and a rising spirit to create those things.
Counter Elite Culture 00:11:46
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I mean, because what we've lost ultimately is there's nothing that's ornate anymore.
So nothing has any like sophistication or intricacy to it.
Like a lamppost.
You go to like an old part of your city, no matter where you are in the United States, the lampposts are going to be intricate.
There's going to be detail thought put into it because again, that's the people pulling their money together as a society or as a community, pulling their money together and then spending it on public projects.
That reflects how the community feels about themselves.
And that reflects how the government that's in charge thinks about the community.
And so when they put that's a super good point.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tate brown
So it's like all it really is is just a mirror back of like how you view yourself.
Nowadays a lamppost, they've not only are the lampposts terrible.
Now it's just a big metal pole with a light on it.
They've even taken away the fluorescent light.
Now it's LED, which I think Raw Agnationalist can talk about how the LEDs are just like breaking psychologically.
It's like a little bit worse, man.
So it's just like everything is designed to just break you.
libby emmons
Even my grandma, my grandma knew that about the incandescent bulbs.
She was like, I'm not switching.
I'm hoarding all these incandescent bulbs.
And when she passed, I inherited like dozens of incandescent bulbs.
And I was as grateful for that as I was for her dining room set, which I also inherited.
tate brown
And it's just like, yeah.
So it's just, it's demoralizing.
And this is one of the few things, I'm generally an optimistic person, but I just keep seeing things go the wrong way, even with our side, even that Trump's in charge.
I very rarely counter signal the Trump administration, but the Kennedy Center fiasco is just not like, it's not making me optimistic about the future of us sort of developing a counter elite.
Cause that's kind of the whole secret sauce here.
libby emmons
That's what needs to be happening.
Yeah, because the leftist elite, which, you know, let's not kid ourselves, organizes and operates every conceivable function of institutional power in our country from museums to academic institutions to artistic, you know, artistic venues to Hollywood to anything in entertainment, all of it, anything in entertainment, arts or letters is controlled by the left.
And it does, there does need to be a counter elite culture type of thing going on.
But the fact of the matter is, no matter how much of that were to be created, it would never actually break through to those other areas because it would not be permitted to break through.
It's always going to be perceived as the outsider artist or, you know, the streaming artist or whatever it is.
It's not going to be considered part of that thing.
It's always going to be considered like jelly roll at the Grammys was like, you don't want to listen to me.
I'm just some redneck whatever.
And that's how the elites will always view all the rest of us, no matter how many degrees we have from their fancy institutions or anything like that.
That's just, that's just how that's going to go down.
but the creation of a countercultural culture is gonna be much harder now that they're closing the Kennedy Center for two years, which, you know, for these renovations.
What the Kennedy Center should be doing, what Rick Rinnell and the rest of them should be doing is reaching out to young theater artists all across the country, right?
Who are not part of everything, because there's a ton of artists out there and they should be saying, what do you have?
Do you have a band?
Do you have a play?
Do you have something that you'd like to show?
Are you making a symphony?
What are you doing?
Let's get it up here on the stages.
Let's reach out and get these things up on the stages.
They should be doing awards, right?
Because how do artists make their money?
Grants, right?
So the Kennedy Center should be taking some cash and putting out some grants.
Hey, young artists, we would like a play about, you know, one of the American founders.
I would like a play.
You know, not Hamilton, but the other ones.
Give me Franklin, give me Adams.
Well, we had 1776, but give me Jefferson, give me Madison, give me some of these guys.
Hell, give me Lafayette, you know, like let's get a musical together or a straight play.
Or I want half a dozen 10-minute plays for a night of 10-minute plays that are all about the, you know, the women of the revolution.
Who are these women?
You have a bunch of them.
They're great.
You know, let's see that.
Or let's see a musical about freed slaves making good in the North.
That could be cool too.
You know, instead of just always saying that everybody's oppressed, let's see what people can do when they're, you know, let's see some stuff.
It doesn't always just have to be such a big downer.
And they could put money out if you put out, you know, if you said $10,000 for one of these plays, I guarantee you, you would get hundreds of submissions and at least 15 of them would be really good and you'd want to produce them.
And I think that that's what the Kennedy Center should be doing, opening up because they're going to renovate.
They're going to turn it into something, you know, amazing acoustics and perfect sight lines and great dressing rooms.
And then as soon as the left gets back in power, which they're just biding their time, woke isn't dead.
It's just, you know, hibernating for a little or out in Minneapolis freezing.
So as soon as they get back in power, they're going to have these pristine, beautiful studios, rehearsal halls at the Kennedy Center, and then they're going to turn it back into whatever nonsense they want.
And if you look, Philip Glass recently pulled a symphony from the Kennedy Center that had been inspired by Lincoln.
And he was like, I can't do this at the Kennedy Center because of the leadership.
It's not just that they don't like the leadership.
They don't think the audiences deserve to see their art.
And that's a thing that's really infuriating, right?
They were making fun of Nikki Minaj last night.
They don't think audiences should see her stuff.
They don't think that they should have to, you know, play for people who don't like them.
John Legwazamo was out there.
Don't even follow me if you're like in favor of immigration law.
These people are insane.
And that's what they think of you.
That's what Philip Glass thinks of his audience.
He thinks his audience, if the audience voted for Trump, he doesn't think that they deserve to see his symphony.
And you know what?
I don't want to see it, right?
I like symphonies.
I don't want to see that one.
I'm glad you pulled it.
But what really pisses me off, like you were saying, two years, you're going to close the venue that you could have to like create amazing work?
That's so stupid.
That is so, like, I saw that this morning and I was like, you, you fools.
You goddamn fools.
Are you like, how could you be stupider than to take the Premier Center?
Now you slap the name Trump on it and you're closing it?
tate brown
Yeah.
libby emmons
Like get some artists out.
Give Nicki Minaj a musical.
Do the Jason Aldean musical.
Like who wouldn't, I would go see a Nicki Minaj musical.
That would be great.
Like the story of Nicki Minaj, like from Queens up to amazing.
Like, come on.
Why is there no imagination?
tate brown
Yeah.
I mean, it's this frustrating thing because everyone in MAGA will go on and on about like, we need to develop a counter elite.
We need to bring back high culture.
Because again, if you have this intellectual class in the United States, sorry to everyone in the audience, but there's always going to be an elite.
There's always going to be an intellectual class that's just how societies work.
You need to give them something that lets them buy into, again, a conservative framework, a right-wing framework, a right-wing way of thinking.
And if there's nothing there for them, if you're going to starve them intellectually, then they're going to look elsewhere.
Maybe it isn't becoming a leftist.
libby emmons
Nikki Minaj musical would be.
It wouldn't just be her pop songs and like her, like, you know, coming up and singing and all that stuff.
You're going to have killer gospel numbers.
tate brown
Yeah.
libby emmons
You know, you're going to have awesome stuff in Nikki Minaj musical.
And then you're going to have like a scene with Trump.
You're going to have like all this stuff.
It would be so good.
And the fact that they're not doing it and instead they're like, no, let's just make it amazing so that when the leftists take charge, they can fill it up with all their stupid woke bullshit again.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
That's a, I mean, that's a great point that you're literally just improving it for them, presuming we lose.
And it's just, yeah, it's, cause like with the jelly roll thing, it's, it's one of those things where I'm like, we need to be developing a high culture.
Again, you can't be done from the government, but there's people out there.
I see them all the time.
There's people out there doing great work.
They just need to, again, the incentive structure needs to be pointed in a way where they can succeed.
Cause right now, just do a Mammoth show.
libby emmons
Mammoth's conservative.
David Mammet's conservative and he's like arguably top five best playwrights ever produced in this country ever.
tate brown
Yeah, it's just like come up check and give us something.
libby emmons
They just did Glenn Gary.
They did a revival of Glenn Garry on Broadway.
I went to see it last summer with my son.
Great show.
That's not the, he's done so many shows.
Get him to write a premiere.
He's writing at the free press and stuff.
Like just do a do a mammoth premiere.
Could you imagine?
Hey, we're MAGA and we have a David Mammet premiere.
And if you want to see it, you have to come out to the Kennedy Center because we're selling out every night.
Like come on.
tate brown
Yeah.
libby emmons
That would be so good.
Think of that season.
You have Nicki Minaj, you get a Mammoth premiere.
You do like some up and coming stuff with the awards we were talking about.
There is so much you could do if you could just like get someone in there to plan a season.
You know, I offer myself.
I would be happy to plan a season for the Kennedy Center.
It would, it would kill.
It would kill.
We would sell out.
It would be amazing.
Rick Grinnell, Usha Vance, if you're listening.
Seriously.
tate brown
Seriously.
libby emmons
Tap some talent on the MAGA right because we are out here.
tate brown
They're there.
And it's like, yeah, it's like, love Jelly Roll.
Funny guy.
I'm very happy he said what he said last night.
Fantastic.
But it's like, if we want to retake colleges, it's not going to be with Jelly Roll.
You got to give people like a little something because Jelly Roll, it's like country rap.
I mean, again, I like country.
I like rap, but I don't know if this is really what we're trying to get at if we're trying to capture the institutions back at the highest level, like the Kennedy Center, these sorts of things.
This isn't to downplay.
Like, I'm not dunking on, you know, like the middle class or anything because that's like, that's where I come from.
Again, I love that kind of stuff.
But it's like, to a certain degree, you're trying to develop the future intellectual class in the United States.
You got to give them something.
They're not going to be listening to country.
I'm sorry.
It's just, it is what it is.
libby emmons
And the academia and the entire academic institutions have undermined our leadership class to the point where they hate themselves.
tate brown
Yeah.
libby emmons
Right.
I mean, you have like the wealthy, the children of the wealthy in this country who typically are the leaders.
You know, they go to Yale and wherever else, Harvard, I don't even know.
Black, white, whatever you've got.
This is, this is who we have.
These are these are the children of leadership, the ones who go to high school and imagine that they're going to be president and senators and run things and captains of industry and all the rest of it.
They hate America.
They hate themselves.
They've spent their entire high school years taking a step back because of their white privilege and conceding to everybody else.
Why are they doing that?
Like, why are we undermining everything?
And then we're elevating people who are ridiculous and don't love the country, like Ilhan Omar, you know, who's just out there being like, yeah, basically America sucks and Somalia is better than everything.
But for some reason, I'm not going to go live there.
unidentified
I don't know.
libby emmons
That's why it's all the money I just made in Congress.
tate brown
And that's why it wouldn't even be that hard for the right to like elevate some good stuff because it's a wide open lane.
I mean, the Grammys last night was terrible.
unidentified
Slop.
tate brown
And I, you know, I made the point earlier that like it's a little difficult to break through because everything is sloppified.
But as we're seeing, people are searching for truth.
People are searching for meaning.
People are searching for fulfillment.
That's why you're seeing Zoomers.
I think it's a bit overstated that it's like a mass conversion back to Christianity, but you are seeing a reversion of previous trends in which, you know, every generation, the younger you got, would be less religious.
Well, Gen Z is bucking that trend, which indicates that like at a certain point, you push people.
They eventually figure out that they're a human being.
They figure out when they look in the mirror, the eyes are looking back at them and it's theirs and they're going to like look for stuff that nourishes the soul.
People Searching for Truth 00:02:43
tate brown
We could be positioning ourselves excellently right now.
And we are in power.
We're in charge of, you know, the money.
We're in charge of the stage.
Who gets the stage?
These sorts of things.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
And being inspired by Christian stories certainly has amazing historical and artistic precedent.
The entire Renaissance art movement inspired by Christian stories.
There was some Greek and stuff in there, whatever, a little Persephone here and there, a little Diana.
And that stuff's great too.
But the Christian art really elevates the human spirit.
I had the opportunity to travel to Rome earlier this year and I got to see the Pietà, which was the second time I'd been to Rome, second time I'd seen the Pieta.
Second time I randomly just, you know, burst into tears, like uncontrollable, looking at the absolute majesty and glory of this sculpture of Mary holding her dead son, right?
I mean, it's stunning.
It's a stunning sculpture and it's a stunning story.
And it's a place where we can find real beauty.
We can find so much elegance and glory in those stories, in the Mary story, right?
I mean, how many times do we have to see Hollywood putting out another movie where they just graft a woman onto a male hero's journey?
Why are we doing that when the female hero's journey is so breathtakingly stunning?
You know, Mary goes out there.
She raises this son.
She loves him.
She watches him.
He's precocious.
He's getting into it with the rabbis at the temple.
You know, he goes missing there when they're there for, you know, whatever, Passover and stuff.
And then she watches, she's proud of him.
She's watching her son grow.
She sacrifices of herself, right?
To raise this son, only to then watch him sacrifice himself for the betterment of the world.
I mean, that is the most beautiful heroine's journey that exists in this world.
And it's dumbed down and it's said that it's meaningless because women have to be more like men and whatever else.
I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like men.
You know, I want to be like Mary, except for the part watching your son die, which God forbid, you know, I never want that.
But you look at these stories and you look at what the New Testament and the Old Testament have to tell us about what life is.
It's not just that they tell us about how things were.
They tell us real true things about relationships and about our relationship to God and nature and to each other and society.
And we can't just let that go.
So I think one thing about, you know, perhaps Gen Z not abandoning God in droves that the previous generations did, it elevates your spirit.
It says, hey, here are some expectations.
Strive for Greatness 00:01:47
libby emmons
Here are some things to strive for.
Are you ever going to be perfect?
No, but you are going to be able to fail better, you know, to quote Samuel Beckett there.
You're going to be able to do better.
And also, you're going to do better if you know not only what's expected of you by greatness, but what you can expect of yourself.
You know, set standards for yourself that are greater than you think you can achieve and then go get them.
And if you look at some of the people on the conservative right who do that and who set high standards for themselves, you know, they're awesome.
They do a great job.
They go out there and they work hard.
And I love to see that.
tate brown
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think the right has a monopoly on greatness stories because that's where the exceptional people are, the people that are really trying to push the envelope of what humans are possible.
Like Trump himself.
Trump really is the epitome of like big, bold, et cetera.
So, Libby, thank you so much for hopping on.
Where can people find you?
I'm sure they know where.
libby emmons
You can find me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
And I would love it if you check out my new podcast, The Pod Millennial.
You can go to thepodmillennial.com for all the links that you need.
We drop a new episode tomorrow, and it's with the wonderful and amazing, great Jack Pisovic.
tate brown
I love it.
That's so awesome.
I can't wait to tune in.
I'm so excited.
Well, Libby, thank you so much.
We'll catch you next time.
libby emmons
Thanks so much.
tate brown
Thank you.
All right.
Well, that was a great Libby Emmons.
Obviously, she did a fantastic job holding down the show last week.
And I was very thankful for her for jumping in on that.
With that, I got my The End of the Show whistle.
It's no longer the Abolish Eyes Show, it's the end of the show whistle.
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unidentified
I don't know.
tate brown
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