DOJ DROPS New Epstein Files, Viral Post Says EPSTEIN IS ALIVE
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This Epstein guy, you know, he's an interesting guy.
I don't know if this has been, I don't know if this thought has been expressed before.
He's an interesting guy, right?
He's a very intriguing character.
There's a lot of this.
I don't even know how we begin to break this down because I think everyone in the audience is probably tired of this story to some degree because they're just repeating the same things at nauseum.
So that's why this email drop was kind of refreshing because most of the actual interesting stuff that people are pontificating on is like unsubstantiated.
Like there's there's not much.
Like Pat Casey really broke this down quite well.
He said, people believe the recent Epstein files drop is a bombshell because they're confusing unfounded allegations and hotline tips for actual evidence.
That's it.
It's like a mass reading comprehension failure.
I truly question how many of these people are sentient.
It's bewildering.
This just refers to the average person.
They're definitely bad faith actors recklessly or knowingly promoting falsicity for engagement to damage Trump, et cetera.
At least the Democrats who know what they're doing aren't sabotaging their own side in the process.
The fact that the average Epstein truther's response to these points to me accusing me of defending Jeffrey Epstein, a man who was justly found guilty for his crimes and is now dead, illustrates the low level of human capital we're dealing with here.
So again, this is a correct take because a lot of people are like coming after, we're coming after Pat and they were like, oh, well, you're defending, you know, a guy that literally ran like a pedophile island, which is not what's happening.
Again, Pat's just saying like we've kind of pushed on this as much as we can with like the actual hard evidence that would be presentable in court where everything else is kind of pontification to a degree.
Also, like for what it's worth, in this files dropped, there's like barely anything about the island, the island in and of itself.
And that's kind of like the big question is like who went to the island?
Who's on the flight logs?
You know, who was there?
Who's President Island?
What was going on at the island?
That's the kind of the crux of the Epstein story is what was going on at that island because we actually kind of know basically what Epstein's dealings were in the United States for the most part.
That's been sort of exposed, et cetera, et cetera.
The island is the question mark.
And if you go through these files, which we have the world's finest autists are on that, are on the case already.
There's not too much in there regarding the actual island itself, which is frustrating.
I mean, look, I've been seeing this Epstein stuff for a very long time.
I'm not new to the game, but there's just not enough there.
And like the, again, the big takeaway here is that people are just going in on Trump.
That's just the most bizarre thing is like Trump is somehow complicit in covering this up.
It's just, again, based off of unsubstantiated leaks and anonymous tips, people are literally citing tips to the FBI as hard evidence.
Like Chuck Johnson has become like a primary source for a lot of these people.
It's absolutely ridiculous going on.
But there's some really bizarre stuff in here.
Like, again, this is from Kotaku.
Jeffrey Epstein sent five nights at Freddy's porn via 4chan Links email show.
Yeah, like, hey, like, that's separate from the video game world if you're a sex.
I don't know.
I'm not, I don't want to, I'm not going to get on this show and make a bold defense of sex offenders' rights to play Call of Duty or whatever, but that just seems like a little heavy-handed for Microsoft.
So with that, we have some great stories here.
Serge, I think you're kind of the expert on this.
Like, I'm, I'm kind of a, I think the official term is a Zogbot Normitard.
I think that's what I've been sort of referred to as.
But creator and past owner of 4chan, Chris Poole, not our Chris Poole at Temcast.
He's a different Chris Poole known as Moot, was in contact with Epstein, possibly opened the board poll up after meeting with him.
So obviously for the audience, like Poll is the politically incorrect board, which is where a lot of political discussion and like some crazy stuff was going on.
I mean, you can just like, if you just look at this image right here, I can't, I can't pull it up.
There it is.
If you see on the image right there, you see the date, October 23rd, 2011.
If anyone knows Ball, that's during Occupy Wall Street, which is a really important time in history.
And if you think about Occupy Wall Street as kind of being this watershed moment where all the gay race communism kind of happened after that.
And even Tim talks about how he was at Occupy and they started doing like the whole like identify, oh, we're on stolen land.
All that stuff started kind of again, watershed moment at Occupy.
During that time period, apparently, people probably know this.
Chris Poole met Jeffrey Epstein, and then shortly thereafter, Poll was founded and created on 4chan.
And then also another thing that's kind of related to that is people are always talking about how it's a Mossad thing and Poll was started to help Israel's message and whatever like that.
Another crazier thing that goes even deeper than that is actually stuff like Gamergate was really suppressed on Poll.
People on V, which is a different image board, started talking about it much more and people were being suppressed on poll for even bringing up Gamergate.
And then people went informed 8chan, which is a totally different website to that because they want to talk about these things.
Kind of similar to how the Donald became its own Reddit that became its own site.
It happened a lot during that period of time.
But that was, I think that's stuff that even the finest audits on 4chan had no way of predicting this was ever going to be the way that this story would come out, dude.
I mean, so the implication here is that presumably if Epstein was sort of in like one thing interesting, let me see if I have it.
I'm going to thumb through here.
Here we go.
This is from Mike Benz.
If you're going to go down, I think if you're going to go down the Epstein rabbit hole, Mike Benz would be the guy to go down it with he is level-headed.
He's not going to just drag you into speculation.
He's using hard stuff.
This was weird.
In 1999, Epstein Freedom of Information Act, the CIA to obtain all CIA records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between himself and the CIA.
So clearly, like Epstein was some correspondence between his law firm and the CIA.
Again, it's not entirely clear what's going on here.
But because that's kind of been the theory for the longest time regarding Epstein is that potentially he was working in correspondence with a foreign government.
He added here, he was an early supporter of microtransactions and Call of Duty, which if you remember, COD was like the first game that had microtransactions and it spread to the rest of the gaming world.
This is what killed the Call of Duty franchise.
So like, you know, I think for the people out there that are maybe still on the fence about Epstein that are like, okay, I understand the sex trafficking, the like literally the worst crimes possible to man, but you still didn't have enough to hate the guy.
Epstein said in his emails that the Hebrew word for Poland, Polania, is translated to here dwells God, and that Poland was meant to be a center of Jewish life.
Everyone, when we got these emails, they were expecting like cold, hard proof that like, you know, all these world leaders were like, like it would show their tickets, like of them flying down to Epstein Island.
And we're getting like him discussing microtransactions.
We're getting him, you know, just spitballing here with, you know, just talking to his friends.
Like, what if we, what if we can, like, get the hoof to be, like, stuck together?
Well, bacon aside, I think this is, this is, we should be taking, we should be drinking this in, this email drop, because this could be one of the last like major email drops.
Because when you think about it, like when I was, when I was reading these emails between Jeffrey just like chopping it up with his friends, just like spitballing ideas, hey, let's do this, let's do that.
I was like, I need to be emailing my friends more.
So I need to be emailing my friends more because it's like, then if you ever committed like a, you know, heinous crime or something, at least you would have like some funny emails in there.
My email is just spam.
It's just like, it's all these, all these accounts that I make, you know, because you'd like, you know, if you want to like, you know, convert a PDF to a Word document, you got to make an account and put in your social security number and like send in a blood sample.
Like that's the way that these websites work now.
So my email now is just completely clogged with PDFs.
Like, because you're just sitting there like pontificating, and these ideas are coming to you.
Just rip an email, like, just need to fire an email off.
I think that's brilliant.
We have another interesting email here from Epstein.
In a 2014 email, Epstein wrote that he has 650 relatives who are Jewish with 10 different spellings of the surname Epstein, and that he has two recessive genes that cause hyper-I'm gonna screwing bumping bellies, I think would be the official anatomical term.
Dude, just an interesting email, interesting email.
I don't have much to expand on that.
Here's another one he wrote.
Um, I'm probably just gonna blur that with my mouse.
Um, Jeffrey Epstein suggested that black people be banned to solve gun crime, citing a town hall article.
It's kind of hard to place like someone like this, you know, a Jewish financier, but he's also like interested in a lot of these things.
So, obviously, like, you know, a lot of people are excited by this and they're saying, you know, this is interesting.
This is an interesting, profound take.
I don't think this is a practical political move, but it's interesting that Epstein was like tossing around these ideas because, like I said, I thought he was just like a boomer lib this whole time.
Um, this is probably the best takeaway I think from the whole Epstein thing is that he's normalized the word goyam because I've been sure.
I mean, me and Serge call each other goys like in our daily lives.
Like, if people understood it, it's not so much like I'm afraid to say it because I'll say a lot of different things, but I just don't know if like people would understand it.
We're reclaiming it, but we're like the Epstein thing is mainstreamed go in.
Like, we can say go ahead now.
I actually had this fear that goy cattle people were going to overuse it and it was just going to replace the word normie because goy cattle means something specific.
But this is interesting.
Um, he was emailing David Stern, the commissioner of the NBA, and David Stern referred to NBA fans as Goyam.
You guys could be folks from Minneapolis, but there are so many people being deported in so many other states that it doesn't, it's like a drop in the bucket in reality.
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That's what always happens when they play modern music at the halftime show.
Your older family members look over at you like, this is what you're into.
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And in both situations, they both epitomize disdain for Middle America in many ways.
So I guess we should lead first.
Let's lead with the Grammys.
That's the last thing I was talking about.
Billie Eilish going on stage, F-Ice, no one's legal and stolen land.
They're just like rehashing literally 2016 talking points.
It's just so bizarre.
I'm having so much trouble gauging why these people can't really advance their talking points, can't advance their rhetoric, yet we still have trouble completely putting them away.
That's what's so frustrating about seeing that specifically.
But what were your thoughts on the Grammys, some of the things that jumped out to you?
One of them was, of course, Billie Eilish, which you mentioned.
Now, this is not her first rodeo out there parroting leftist talking points.
In 2020, she came out on May 30th, just a few days after George Floyd was killed and spoke about that at length, declaring that white people have privilege and should all shut up about all lives matter.
She listed a few very stupid talking points at the time about privilege and how white people get more opportunities than minorities, which, of course, the Supreme Court went in and was like, really?
Because not getting into Harvard, that's not one of the privileges that white people have or other Ivy League schools.
So that was pretty interesting.
I took a little dive.
She came out in favor of queer by saying she was queer.
That was a thing.
She's very into the whole climate thing.
And of course, she is pro-Palestinian causes.
That's a big issue for her as well.
So Billie Eilish likes to go out there and say whatever she has been told to say by the leftist, overarching, you know, ACLU kind of thing that's out there.
And that's what she does.
She says whatever she's told to say.
You even had the people out there with the anti-ice pins, like Justin Bieber and his wife and a bunch of other ones.
Those pins are not organic, everybody.
Those were handed out by the ACLU.
They were given to the celebrities to wear.
That was pretty cringy.
Bad Bunny was out there with his whole anti-ice, and so were a bunch of the others.
It's disappointing seeing that from Bieber because I've maintained for years that Bieber is kind of like, kind of like the avatar for like swagged out white boys, you know, I would say.
Like he's kind of like kind of got that white boy swag.
Disappointing to see him just turn into a boomer libtard.
You know, I really had high hopes for him.
But, you know, as he's getting older, you know, maybe he's got to play the, play the, play the role.
Yeah, because that's, that's kind of, I think the litmus test, because, you know, everyone's like, oh, woke is dead.
I think it's a bit premature because I'm like, until you start seeing these major, I guess what I'm trying to get at is with the Grammys, that still indicates that the incentive structures in, you know, sort of these elite circles is still definitely bending towards leftist activism.
Definitely.
And I'm not saying I expect these people to all get up and like, you know, rah-rah, root for the flag, MAGA.
That's really.
But like, you would expect them to really tone it down in moments like that if the incentive structures were truly kind of correcting again.
So that sort of stuff, like, okay, it's funny to laugh.
It's sort of funny to be like cringe, that sort of thing.
But that really does indicate that there's still quite a bit of work to do on the cultural front, Which is it's interesting because I think people on the right are aware of that.
We just don't really know how to penetrate that properly because it feels like when we do make right-wing art, it's just really on the nose.
It just doesn't really land.
It doesn't really connect.
Some of the best examples of great right-wing art weren't explicitly right-wing at all.
They were implicit.
I mean, C.S. Lewis Tolkien, like you go, you go work your way down the list.
There's some fantastic, fantastic works out there.
I mean, explicitly making right-wing art is as propagandist as anything else.
And propaganda isn't art.
It's propaganda.
And so what you have to do, if you want to be an, if you're an artist and you feel compelled to create things, if you're moved by the spirit, as the Quakers would say, to actually create things and communicate with an audience, you need to do that in an honest, a way as possible.
And so that's what really rings untrue to a lot of this Grammy talk and a lot of these sort of more political songs is it doesn't seem true.
So, and also what is conservatism?
You know, conservatism is a celebration of wife guys, for example.
Conservatism is a celebration of family and the joys that you can find with family.
It's a celebration of the culture that we have.
It's a way to say, listen, you know, our nation is actually pretty great.
These freedoms are really good.
Let's not throw them all away so quickly.
Let's not burn everything down without having any idea of how to build things.
If you look at, for example, just to continue my metaphor, if you look at classical beautiful architecture, we don't know how to build that now, right?
We can't, we don't know how to build it.
We don't know how to build it because we've given way to lots of other things.
We use contemporary materials.
We can still build beautiful things, but, you know, we definitely don't know how to do the old things.
We don't, who can do Renaissance art anymore?
We had Chappelle Rowan out there, even fashion.
Chappelle Rowan out there last night was wearing a gown on the red carpet that was clipped to her nipple piercings.
It was, it stopped here at the nipples, you know, fully breast visible and everything.
And I didn't think that was very artistic at all.
It's sort of propagandist toward complete degradation, which is a shame.
But yeah, if you're an artist and you want to make art, don't worry about your political leanings.
Just make stuff that's true and real and beautiful, you know?
It's just blackbilling because it's like you see so many people out there that are making art that reflects a lot of those traits.
But because everything in our culture has become so, for lack of a better word, like sloppified, I mean, you go, like your architecture point is excellent because you go anywhere.
Tucker Carlson made this point a few years ago where he's like, go to the DMV.
It's a, you know, sheetrock, synthetic drop ceiling, laminate, laminate tile, these sorts of things.
Nothing in there is like an element that you would find in the real world.
Nothing in there is a natural thing that as a human being, you could identify and say, I know exactly how that was procured.
It's all very synthetic, very removed, very foreign feeling.
And that's the case with pretty much every building that you're going to interact with on a daily basis in the United States.
That really kind of breaks you down as a human being at a very subconscious level.
And that's the same thing with the music, where it's like the music doesn't even necessarily need to mean anything because it's just going to play over the speakers and it's going to be like, the way it's designed is for it to be catchy enough where it just kind of clicks for people.
So it's like, that's the frustrating.
I don't even know if you can reorient the incentive structure to more, so these musicians make like normal statements because it's all slop on kind of on purpose at this point.
There are some people that make things that are intentionally beautiful and you like to think that maybe those pieces stand out.
You know, that would be great if those pieces stand out.
Carol King gave the, she did the little announcement about for singer-songwriter award.
She said, you know, all these singer-songwriters know how it feels to really create something beautiful and want to communicate with their audience.
And then she listed off who the songwriters were.
And like two of them were actual singer-songwriters.
And the rest were basically singing songs that were like, Look at my butt.
And look at me, you know, like stuff like that.
And you're like, what even is what is this?
These are not singer-songwriters.
These are manufactured pop tunes that everyone's going to forget five minutes.
I can't even think of what they were.
None of them were even sticky enough to stay in my head, except for the one that won, which is that messy song, which will get stuck in my head forever, you know.
And isn't that, it's not that bad.
But yeah, I think that it's, I think there is a problem with the incentive structure.
And I would love to see more.
I always say this.
I've been saying this since I was a kid.
I would love to see more young people making art.
And I said that when I was 19, and I'm saying it now.
I just want more artists making more stuff and bucking these systems, putting it out on their own, you know, which, of course, is how a lot of this stuff got out there.
Bad Bunny wouldn't exist if it wasn't for, you know, streaming services and things like that.
He wouldn't have been able to get past the whole radio play thing.
Like I was at church yesterday and I go to this church that is full.
I couldn't find parking and it's very icy out here, but I couldn't find parking at all.
Everything was packed.
The building is gorgeous.
You walk in and you're like, wow, this is a beautiful church.
And then the choir kicks in with some Latin church music.
Absolutely the best church music is the old Latin stuff.
And you do feel your spirit lifted.
You feel that you feel like I am part of something glorious in this mankind.
I am part of something that can create beautiful things and that can lift spirits.
And going to those banks, like you mentioned, or the Panera Bread or these mid-level restaurants where the decor is just, it's the matification of the human spirit.
And it's so, it's, it's draining and sad to be there.
And even when you, you know, you say this, but like even when you look at what passes as luxury, if you're paying, you know, 280, 300 for a hotel room, you walk in and it's just as crappy as if you paid 80 bucks for whatever hotel airport you stay at.
It's like luxury isn't even luxury anymore.
And what I find frustrating about that as someone who doesn't, who can't particularly afford luxury at all times, I occasionally will splurge.
You know, I like the nice things.
But you want, you can't even, even the rich people can't afford the thing that you imagine wealth can give you.
There's some, there's some very beautiful banks in Brooklyn, but most of the time, like you said, you walk into the bank and it's like everything is just sort of squashing you down and telling you that you are trash and that you live in trash and that your country is trash and that your money is garbage and everything is bad.
And I'm with you on just being sick of that.
I want to be surrounded by beautiful things.
And it doesn't take cash to create beautiful things.
It just takes an interest and a rising spirit to create those things.
I mean, because what we've lost ultimately is there's nothing that's ornate anymore.
So nothing has any like sophistication or intricacy to it.
Like a lamppost.
You go to like an old part of your city, no matter where you are in the United States, the lampposts are going to be intricate.
There's going to be detail thought put into it because again, that's the people pulling their money together as a society or as a community, pulling their money together and then spending it on public projects.
That reflects how the community feels about themselves.
And that reflects how the government that's in charge thinks about the community.
And this is one of the few things, I'm generally an optimistic person, but I just keep seeing things go the wrong way, even with our side, even that Trump's in charge.
I very rarely counter signal the Trump administration, but the Kennedy Center fiasco is just not like, it's not making me optimistic about the future of us sort of developing a counter elite.
Yeah, because the leftist elite, which, you know, let's not kid ourselves, organizes and operates every conceivable function of institutional power in our country from museums to academic institutions to artistic, you know, artistic venues to Hollywood to anything in entertainment, all of it, anything in entertainment, arts or letters is controlled by the left.
And it does, there does need to be a counter elite culture type of thing going on.
But the fact of the matter is, no matter how much of that were to be created, it would never actually break through to those other areas because it would not be permitted to break through.
It's always going to be perceived as the outsider artist or, you know, the streaming artist or whatever it is.
It's not going to be considered part of that thing.
It's always going to be considered like jelly roll at the Grammys was like, you don't want to listen to me.
I'm just some redneck whatever.
And that's how the elites will always view all the rest of us, no matter how many degrees we have from their fancy institutions or anything like that.
That's just, that's just how that's going to go down.
but the creation of a countercultural culture is gonna be much harder now that they're closing the Kennedy Center for two years, which, you know, for these renovations.
What the Kennedy Center should be doing, what Rick Rinnell and the rest of them should be doing is reaching out to young theater artists all across the country, right?
Who are not part of everything, because there's a ton of artists out there and they should be saying, what do you have?
Do you have a band?
Do you have a play?
Do you have something that you'd like to show?
Are you making a symphony?
What are you doing?
Let's get it up here on the stages.
Let's reach out and get these things up on the stages.
They should be doing awards, right?
Because how do artists make their money?
Grants, right?
So the Kennedy Center should be taking some cash and putting out some grants.
Hey, young artists, we would like a play about, you know, one of the American founders.
I would like a play.
You know, not Hamilton, but the other ones.
Give me Franklin, give me Adams.
Well, we had 1776, but give me Jefferson, give me Madison, give me some of these guys.
Hell, give me Lafayette, you know, like let's get a musical together or a straight play.
Or I want half a dozen 10-minute plays for a night of 10-minute plays that are all about the, you know, the women of the revolution.
Who are these women?
You have a bunch of them.
They're great.
You know, let's see that.
Or let's see a musical about freed slaves making good in the North.
That could be cool too.
You know, instead of just always saying that everybody's oppressed, let's see what people can do when they're, you know, let's see some stuff.
It doesn't always just have to be such a big downer.
And they could put money out if you put out, you know, if you said $10,000 for one of these plays, I guarantee you, you would get hundreds of submissions and at least 15 of them would be really good and you'd want to produce them.
And I think that that's what the Kennedy Center should be doing, opening up because they're going to renovate.
They're going to turn it into something, you know, amazing acoustics and perfect sight lines and great dressing rooms.
And then as soon as the left gets back in power, which they're just biding their time, woke isn't dead.
It's just, you know, hibernating for a little or out in Minneapolis freezing.
So as soon as they get back in power, they're going to have these pristine, beautiful studios, rehearsal halls at the Kennedy Center, and then they're going to turn it back into whatever nonsense they want.
And if you look, Philip Glass recently pulled a symphony from the Kennedy Center that had been inspired by Lincoln.
And he was like, I can't do this at the Kennedy Center because of the leadership.
It's not just that they don't like the leadership.
They don't think the audiences deserve to see their art.
And that's a thing that's really infuriating, right?
They were making fun of Nikki Minaj last night.
They don't think audiences should see her stuff.
They don't think that they should have to, you know, play for people who don't like them.
John Legwazamo was out there.
Don't even follow me if you're like in favor of immigration law.
These people are insane.
And that's what they think of you.
That's what Philip Glass thinks of his audience.
He thinks his audience, if the audience voted for Trump, he doesn't think that they deserve to see his symphony.
And you know what?
I don't want to see it, right?
I like symphonies.
I don't want to see that one.
I'm glad you pulled it.
But what really pisses me off, like you were saying, two years, you're going to close the venue that you could have to like create amazing work?
That's so stupid.
That is so, like, I saw that this morning and I was like, you, you fools.
You goddamn fools.
Are you like, how could you be stupider than to take the Premier Center?
Now you slap the name Trump on it and you're closing it?
You know, you're going to have awesome stuff in Nikki Minaj musical.
And then you're going to have like a scene with Trump.
You're going to have like all this stuff.
It would be so good.
And the fact that they're not doing it and instead they're like, no, let's just make it amazing so that when the leftists take charge, they can fill it up with all their stupid woke bullshit again.
That's a, I mean, that's a great point that you're literally just improving it for them, presuming we lose.
And it's just, yeah, it's, cause like with the jelly roll thing, it's, it's one of those things where I'm like, we need to be developing a high culture.
Again, you can't be done from the government, but there's people out there.
I see them all the time.
There's people out there doing great work.
They just need to, again, the incentive structure needs to be pointed in a way where they can succeed.
But it's like, if we want to retake colleges, it's not going to be with Jelly Roll.
You got to give people like a little something because Jelly Roll, it's like country rap.
I mean, again, I like country.
I like rap, but I don't know if this is really what we're trying to get at if we're trying to capture the institutions back at the highest level, like the Kennedy Center, these sorts of things.
This isn't to downplay.
Like, I'm not dunking on, you know, like the middle class or anything because that's like, that's where I come from.
Again, I love that kind of stuff.
But it's like, to a certain degree, you're trying to develop the future intellectual class in the United States.
I mean, you have like the wealthy, the children of the wealthy in this country who typically are the leaders.
You know, they go to Yale and wherever else, Harvard, I don't even know.
Black, white, whatever you've got.
This is, this is who we have.
These are these are the children of leadership, the ones who go to high school and imagine that they're going to be president and senators and run things and captains of industry and all the rest of it.
They hate America.
They hate themselves.
They've spent their entire high school years taking a step back because of their white privilege and conceding to everybody else.
Why are they doing that?
Like, why are we undermining everything?
And then we're elevating people who are ridiculous and don't love the country, like Ilhan Omar, you know, who's just out there being like, yeah, basically America sucks and Somalia is better than everything.
But for some reason, I'm not going to go live there.
And I, you know, I made the point earlier that like it's a little difficult to break through because everything is sloppified.
But as we're seeing, people are searching for truth.
People are searching for meaning.
People are searching for fulfillment.
That's why you're seeing Zoomers.
I think it's a bit overstated that it's like a mass conversion back to Christianity, but you are seeing a reversion of previous trends in which, you know, every generation, the younger you got, would be less religious.
Well, Gen Z is bucking that trend, which indicates that like at a certain point, you push people.
They eventually figure out that they're a human being.
They figure out when they look in the mirror, the eyes are looking back at them and it's theirs and they're going to like look for stuff that nourishes the soul.
And being inspired by Christian stories certainly has amazing historical and artistic precedent.
The entire Renaissance art movement inspired by Christian stories.
There was some Greek and stuff in there, whatever, a little Persephone here and there, a little Diana.
And that stuff's great too.
But the Christian art really elevates the human spirit.
I had the opportunity to travel to Rome earlier this year and I got to see the Pietà, which was the second time I'd been to Rome, second time I'd seen the Pieta.
Second time I randomly just, you know, burst into tears, like uncontrollable, looking at the absolute majesty and glory of this sculpture of Mary holding her dead son, right?
I mean, it's stunning.
It's a stunning sculpture and it's a stunning story.
And it's a place where we can find real beauty.
We can find so much elegance and glory in those stories, in the Mary story, right?
I mean, how many times do we have to see Hollywood putting out another movie where they just graft a woman onto a male hero's journey?
Why are we doing that when the female hero's journey is so breathtakingly stunning?
You know, Mary goes out there.
She raises this son.
She loves him.
She watches him.
He's precocious.
He's getting into it with the rabbis at the temple.
You know, he goes missing there when they're there for, you know, whatever, Passover and stuff.
And then she watches, she's proud of him.
She's watching her son grow.
She sacrifices of herself, right?
To raise this son, only to then watch him sacrifice himself for the betterment of the world.
I mean, that is the most beautiful heroine's journey that exists in this world.
And it's dumbed down and it's said that it's meaningless because women have to be more like men and whatever else.
I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like men.
You know, I want to be like Mary, except for the part watching your son die, which God forbid, you know, I never want that.
But you look at these stories and you look at what the New Testament and the Old Testament have to tell us about what life is.
It's not just that they tell us about how things were.
They tell us real true things about relationships and about our relationship to God and nature and to each other and society.
And we can't just let that go.
So I think one thing about, you know, perhaps Gen Z not abandoning God in droves that the previous generations did, it elevates your spirit.
I think the right has a monopoly on greatness stories because that's where the exceptional people are, the people that are really trying to push the envelope of what humans are possible.
Like Trump himself.
Trump really is the epitome of like big, bold, et cetera.