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Jan. 26, 2026 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Democrats EXPOSED Organizing INSURRECTION Against US, Walz CHEERS IT

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libby emmons
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richie mcginniss
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benny johnson
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kash patel
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kristen welker
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tim pool
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tim walz
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todd blanche
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Expecting Good Master 00:01:50
libby emmons
My signal.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Okay.
Great.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
I think I'm going to skip ahead and I'm going to start with Governor Tim Waltz is damn proud of Minnesota because I can't do the kind of analysis that Tim does on those videos anyway.
He's so good at that.
unidentified
Yeah.
No one's expecting you to.
libby emmons
No.
No, he's good at that.
That's why he's the master.
What?
unidentified
Which one?
Like, we say something that's kind of snarky.
You can look at this one.
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libby emmons
So we all saw what happened this weekend in Minnesota.
There was another shooting on Saturday.
This time, an activist Alex Predi was shot and killed by Border Patrol as he was interfering with law enforcement operations on the arrest of an illegal immigrant.
That illegal immigrant is still at large.
In response to everything that went down this weekend, Governor Tim Waltz said that he was damn proud of Minnesota.
This is not the first time that he's told Minnesotans that he is proud of how they are behaving and how they are reacting to federal law enforcement in their state.
He went out on air and he spoke about it as well.
And he was very insistent that federal law enforcement are not law enforcement.
We're going to play that clip here too.
It's hard to hear the question up front, but Waltz is going to get into it in just a second.
tim walz
Well, I spoke twice this morning, shortly after I received the call of this shooting.
I spoke with the president's chief of staff.
And first request was to get her people out of there, to get these federal agents out of there.
They were going to cause more chaos.
And second call is with no uncertain terms that we will investigate this.
We will not be stonewalled.
What we've already seen, and you saw it this morning, before any investigation is done, you have the most powerful people in the federal government spinning stories and putting up pictures and unrelated people who we don't know anything about and a picture of a firearm to try and spin a narrative.
And I just, I ask Americans, this will end when enough Americans say this will end.
Do I have any confidence Donald Trump will do the right thing?
No, I don't have a lot of confidence Donald Trump will do the right thing.
I do have a lot of confidence that the majority of the American people will do the right thing.
And I think there cannot be very many people across this country looking right now after all the reporting that's been done, after everything that's been said under the pretense that they are here about immigration reform, and quit referring to these people as law enforcement.
They are not law enforcement.
We have law enforcement who do an incredible job.
And to listen to Greg Bavino denigrate the work of our people who are out there cleaning up their mess.
No, I don't have a lot of confidence that he himself will do it.
But here's what I do have confidence in.
There's a whole lot of Republicans for whatever reason cannot find their spine.
But they might find the ability to know that they're not going to win another election as long as they live unless they stand up for what's right and stand up for the rule of law and stand up for human decency.
And that's the moment.
libby emmons
So yeah, you have Tim Waltz.
He's not content anymore with just telling Minnesotans to go out there and protest and get in the way of law enforcement.
Now he wants the entirety of America to do that.
And a man like this is going to go down in history as an instigator, as someone who is intentionally fanning the flames of violence between the federal government and states and citizens.
And it's really pretty terrifying to watch.
Over the weekend, he enlisted the National Guard.
He got them out there.
And what he had them doing was standing outside the Whipple Federal Building.
And he had them distributing coffee and donuts to protesters who have been outside of Whipple.
Another thing that those protesters have been doing is they've been stockpiling ice blocks so that they can whip those blocks of ice at federal agents should they so choose when they're having a protest.
And these are the people that Tim Waltz thinks are the good people.
These are the people that he is proud of.
And it's important to note that he's been saying this stuff for a while, right?
He said this a couple weeks ago, or maybe it was just a week ago.
tim walz
Let me say four critical things to the people of Minnesota.
Four things I want you to hear as you watch the news and look out for your neighbors.
First, Donald Trump wants this chaos.
libby emmons
Tim Waltz.
He wants confusion.
tim walz
And yes, he wants more violence on our family.
libby emmons
Everything he's saying about Trump is what we're doing.
tim walz
We cannot give him what he wants.
We can.
We must protest loudly, urgently, but also peacefully.
libby emmons
He's telling people to go out and protest loudly and peacefully.
And what he means is track ICE agents is get in the way of federal law enforcement.
And he says it outright.
tim walz
Indeed, as hard as we will fight in the courts and at the ballot box, we cannot and will not let violence prevail.
libby emmons
As he lets people, I'm angry.
tim walz
Anger is not a strong enough word, but we must remain peaceful.
Second, you are not powerless.
You are not helpless, and you are certainly not alone.
All across Minnesota, people are learning about opportunities, not just to resist, but to help people who are in danger.
libby emmons
How are they learning about these opportunities, Governor?
That's a really big question, and I think it's one that he should be answering, and it's certainly one that we're going to get into in a minute.
But he has told people outright to go out there to stalk ICE agents, which he does in this clip.
He tells them directly.
tim walz
Thousands upon thousands of our fellow Minnesotans are going to be relying on mutual aid in the days and weeks to come, and they need our support.
Tonight, I want to share another way you can help.
Witness.
Help us establish a record of exactly what's happening in our communities.
You have an absolute right to peacefully film ICE agents as they conduct these activities.
So carry your phone with you at all times.
And if you see these ICE agents in your neighborhood, take out that phone and hit record.
Help us create a database of the atrocities against Minnesotans.
Not just to establish a record for posterity, but to bank evidence for future prosecution.
libby emmons
So he's talking about this.
And this is then, of course, what these agitators, protesters, violent leftists are going out and doing.
But they're doing it in a very organized way, right?
They have these signal chats.
This has been widely reported.
It was reported a few weeks ago by Olivia Rheingold in the Free Press, who said that she was involved in these chats.
Cam Higbee went in and was able to get into these signal chats and went all through it and was showing everybody who was in there.
There's been some speculation about law enforcement elected representatives who are in these signal chats.
There's been the name Peggy Flanagan has been thrown around, who is lieutenant governor from Minnesota.
That is not verified, but it has certainly been true that she's been accused of being involved in that.
And so I think that these things really need to be investigated.
Of course, at this point, so does Kash Patel.
And he has come out, the FBI has come out and said, and this is just breaking news.
So I don't necessarily have a clip for you.
Maybe Serge can find it.
It was on Benny Johnson this morning.
But Kash Patel came out and said that he was going to be investigating these signal chats in Minnesota to try and understand who's funding these chats, where they're coming from, and how they're organized.
Because what's going on is you have groups of individuals in extremely organized ways directing civilian protesters how to go out there, where ICE agents are going to be and getting in the way of law enforcement.
They're doing that on purpose.
And that's what's interesting about this Alex Pretty situation.
There wasn't specifically a protest happening when he went out to film these ICE agents.
He was with people who knew where the ICE agents, the Border Patrol rather, were going to be conducting an arrest.
They got in the way of the arrest.
Predty was out there directing traffic for some reason, which isn't really a normal thing that you're just sort of randomly doing, you know, as a regular guy out there with your gun directing traffic.
And he was out there doing this as part of one of these groups.
You had one of his neighbors actually said that she had identified him as being part of these signal chats, that she knew that he was there.
And I'll have a link for you for that in a second.
If we can just grab this Kash Patel quickly, do we have it?
I think this must be it.
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
Pardon me.
benny johnson
Exposing was just on right before you and wanted to ask about this.
He says that he has submitted some of the information that was available.
There are top-level leaders inside of the political infrastructure of Minnesota who are on these chats.
And obviously, you can't conspire in order to attack federal agents.
This is something that is at scale.
They have license plate readers.
They're able to identify these agents.
They're able to dox them, find out where they're sleeping at night.
Is any of this legal, Cash?
kash patel
That's exactly what we're investigating.
Look, again, the First Amendment, you want to go peacefully, protest, do it.
You want to bring your firearm under the law.
You're allowed to bring it as long as you don't incite violence and or commit another crime in doing so.
What we're asking people to do, what I'm asking people to do is on the ground in Minnesota is, why would you bring a firearm in a situation that is so volatile right now, where so many arrests have been made, where so many people are coordinating to attack and expose federal law enforcement officers?
That is just not smart.
It is just not going to lead to a good scenario.
And so we need everybody to tamp down, obviously, on that side.
But you're right.
Some of the best reporting has been through you.
And I think Mr. Higby was just on before I was and other individuals.
Just so you guys know, we look at all this stuff.
As soon as Higby put that post out, I opened an investigation on it.
Just like any other case, when we say, hey, quote unquote, there was an attack in downtown Seattle.
Does the public have information?
We, the FBI, are looking to the public for information on these events.
We immediately opened up that investigation because that sort of signal chat being coordinated with individuals, not just locally in Minnesota, but maybe even around the country.
If that leads to a break in the federal statute or a violation of some law, then we are going to arrest people.
You cannot create a scenario that illegally entraps and puts law enforcement in harm's way.
Now, we will balance the first and second amendment.
libby emmons
So that's very different from what we heard Governor Waltz say, right?
We heard Governor Waltz essentially saying that he should be, that people should be out there stalking law enforcement, tracking them down, filming them as they're trying to arrest people.
And people have been going out and getting in the way of ICE agents, Border Patrol agents doing these arrests.
And we have a situation where the state is entirely pitted against the federal government.
Minnesota also is not a state with the highest level of deportations.
That's Texas, New York, Florida, and other places that are not specifically sanctuary states where law enforcement is permitted locally to work with federal enforcement.
And there's a huge thing that's going on with this whole notion of the sanctuary state.
So in a sanctuary state, you have police officers are not permitted when they arrest a criminal illegal immigrant.
They are not permitted to turn that person over to the feds, even if that person has an immigration detainer on them.
That forces immigration officials and immigration enforcers to go out into the community to find the people who they are tasked with arresting and deporting.
As soon as they're out in the community, they are in confrontation with that community.
And that's what's going on here.
And that is obviously what the people who are elected leaders in sanctuary states want to have happen.
And you can tell that that's what they want to have happen because that's what they are making happen.
You also have Abigail Spanberger in Virginia who has said that she wants to implement these kind of policies there so that Virginia can become another Minnesota.
Perhaps that's what she's looking for.
You have Zorhan Mamdani in New York City saying that they are going to use every capability that they have to resist federal law enforcement.
Therefore, thereby making New York City another Minnesota, another sanctuary jurisdiction.
And none of this is really what we should be looking for in the United States.
We should have no situation where local law enforcement is in direct conflict with federal law enforcement.
That's a situation that can only lead to complete ruin for Americans.
And what ends up happening is civilians are stuck in the middle between this, because if they back the feds, they're going to get, you know, prosecuted by the people where they are.
And if they back local law enforcement who are prevented from working with the feds, then they are at risk of getting shot by the feds, which we've now seen happen a couple of times.
There's absolutely no cause for this.
And the rhetoric of these elected officials is what's pushing the country toward this perspective.
You have poll after poll that shows that Americans are ready to have these mass deportations.
The question is, do we have the stomach for it?
It's not always pretty.
And half the media enterprises in this country make it look even worse than it is.
That's tough for sure.
But the Americans support this policy.
The Americans support having sovereignty and closed borders.
And that's what the Trump administration is attempting to deliver.
And they're attempting to deliver it despite the complete overreaction and law-breaking measures that are being enacted by local elected leaders.
So, that's actually really crazy.
And there's another consequence to what Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz has been doing, telling people to track ICE and these ICE databases, right, of license plates.
So, people go around, they take photographs of license plates and they say, Oh, this person is with ICE.
So, obviously, we have to track them down.
And this is just a civilian thing.
This was Kamal Foster posted this.
was from another person, but check this out.
unidentified
Peace!
I'm showing my face.
I'm not ICE.
libby emmons
Civilians tracking down other civilians, claiming that they're ICE.
unidentified
Yeah, they've been following us for over an hour.
We're not ICE!
libby emmons
We're just letting them know in the ICE vehicle, right?
unidentified
No, right.
Because you need to go.
We're not going to be able to do it.
libby emmons
We're not suddenly a tough guy.
unidentified
We made a mistake.
tim pool
It's your fault.
unidentified
Please go.
Because they've been following us.
libby emmons
There's over an hour people around.
Civilians vs. Civilians 00:14:53
unidentified
What are you doing?
Where do you live?
Where are you from?
libby emmons
Now they're demanding to see their IDs.
unidentified
I guess they're asking.
That guy is.
libby emmons
And they're saying we're popping up in an ICE database.
unidentified
What's the database?
No ice.
Nothing on me.
We're not ice.
I don't know.
No, they've been calling us.
libby emmons
That's why we got out and confronted them.
tim pool
You think that's okay?
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, 100%.
Please please.
tim pool
I'm curious about.
libby emmons
In our neighborhood.
I'm curious, I guess, how you get into an ICE database.
That's not America.
They're blowing their stupid whistles.
unidentified
It's so annoying.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think this is absolutely insane.
And this is exactly what I was saying, right?
You have citizens being pitted against citizens.
On the one hand, you have this orange hat guy and the people demanding identification from the people in the car saying you're ICE, right?
They're basically saying, hey, my governor told me to go track you down and film you where you are.
So that's what we're doing.
And they feel really, really emboldened to do that, to go up to this car, to block it in, to go up to this car and demand to see the IDs of the people driving around.
You're under no obligation, obviously, America, to have to turn over your IDs to random other people who are demanding to see them.
That's crazy.
These are not law enforcement officials, but they are taking that upon themselves because they have been tasked with doing that by the governor of Minnesota, who is completely believing that it's his responsibility to pit citizens against citizens and against federal law enforcement.
So that's absolutely insane.
I don't know what I would do if somebody stopped me in my car like this, cordoned me in, and started demanding to see my identification, and they were not a cop.
You know, I'm not wandering around here carrying a gun.
I'm from the Northeast, you know, like I'm one of these coastal people.
So I don't really carry a gun.
I don't know what to do with it.
But my point is, what do you do?
What do you do in this situation if this is what's going on?
And how long is it before these people are tracking down, you know, just other, just conservatives who are driving around in their car, right?
We've seen them tracking conservative journalists.
We saw them attacking Nick Sortor.
We've seen, you know, people call police on Nick Shirley when he was doing his fraud investigation.
And this is, of course, connected because Jacob Frey, the mayor of Minneapolis, and Tim Waltz, governor, they really want you to forget about this 9 billion plus fraud situation that they've got going in the state where they were stealing money from American taxpayers and giving it to fraudulent social services organizations, some of whom were then shipping money back home or giving kickbacks to parents, for example, who enrolled their kids in fake autism programs.
So they definitely want you to forget about this.
And this is playing well for them, right?
They like to see this kind of chaos.
This is working for them.
It's making them sort of these folk heroes in these states and in the leftist realm of things.
So that's absolutely crazy.
And this is not the only group.
There are far-left groups all over the country that are organizing to create more mayhem and to go against the feds.
They're well-funded.
Hopefully the FBI is going to be able to dig into this, but investigations don't really happen super quickly.
So I have a feeling that we are in for months of this.
And it's telling that we're in for this right now.
And it's freezing outside, right?
We have Minneapolis burning in zero degrees.
What happens when it hits June?
What happens when it's nice outside?
You know, are we going to see BLM times a thousand?
What's going to go on here?
And it's worth mentioning that Alex Predi, who was killed, and I feel horrible for his family and for the people that loved him, I think it's absolutely terrifying that this can happen.
But it happens because people are completely misinformed about what's going on in this country and about what's going on in their state.
And groups like this one that was exposed by Paul Rossi, who you may remember from years ago, publishing an article about being a math teacher in a private school in New York City and essentially being forced out because he wasn't willing to go along with a whole bunch of DEI nonsense.
He uncovered this far-left group pushing a narrative that immigration enforcement is ethnic cleansing.
And one of the things that they said is they said, as a group, Rise and Resist has struggled with terminology, with embracing terminology.
We had to struggle with using the term abolish ICE.
Look where that is now.
We had to struggle with using the term fascism and fascist.
Look where that is now.
We struggled with using the term Gestapo.
Look where that is now.
And we can check this out.
It's actually pretty surprising.
unidentified
As a group, Rise and Resist has struggled with terminology, with embracing terminology.
We had to struggle with using the term abolish ICE.
Look where that is now.
We had to struggle with using the term fascism and fascist.
Look where that is now.
We've struggled with using the term Gestapo.
Look where that is now.
The most mainstream pundits are using these terms.
And now we're going to start, we're going to lead with this is ethnic cleansing.
Call it what it is.
As a group.
libby emmons
So that's the plan.
That's the plan, you guys.
When you start hearing these leftist activists claim that the federal government is engaged in ethnic cleansing, you're going to know exactly where the terminology came from.
Because what we have here is not just a fight in the streets, but we have this narrative war that has been going on for years and has continued to get more and more entrenched.
When was the last time you talked to a friend of yours who's sort of lefty and discovered that they read the post-millennial, right?
Or that they watch Timcast or that they listen to Fox News?
No, they're really enmeshed in the New York Times and the Washington Post, right?
They don't cross the aisle.
They don't cross what has now become not an aisle, but a chasm.
And we're not consuming the same information.
It started out culturally when we started to have this massive cultural split where some people were watching some shows on some streaming services and it's gone are the days where we all watch the same thing on Thursday nights.
That is so long gone and it's now become even worse than it was in that sense.
It's not just that you don't watch the same shows as your coworkers.
It's that you don't even understand the same language.
How are we supposed to communicate when we can't even use the same language and know what words mean to the other person, right?
When ethnic cleansing is now the definition for arresting illegal immigrant criminals and child rapists and deporting them, how are you supposed to have a conversation?
And I think that's really, it's really a big problem, you know?
It's, and we saw the signal chat.
I meant to show this to you guys sooner, but maybe you've all seen it.
This chat that Kim Higbee had here infiltrating this signal chat.
And if you take a look at this, which I recommend that you all do, sharing Bloomington Patrols Zone, these are people who are organized.
They have shifts.
They are working together.
They are collaborating on making sure that they all see what's going on.
I mean, look at this.
You know, it's a database.
It's a work in progress.
Ice plate search.
Minnesota ice plates, airtable database, you know, rules for plate checkers, how to submit ice plates.
What if you're driving a rental car and it was used by ICE before?
What are you supposed to do with that?
You know, are they just, are they just, those people are just fodder for your ID check, I suppose?
I think that's really, I think it's really kind of terrifying that this is what's going on.
And it's been going on under the noses of law enforcement, under the noses of all of the normies out there who just think that we're still living in America instead of seeing that this divide has gotten so deep that I wonder that you can even build a bridge across it.
And part of the problem with that is that no one wants to build a bridge across it.
You know, no one wants to see that.
Alex Predi was a member of this signal, this ICE watch signal chat, according to one of his neighbors.
And that Minneapolis local Gene Massey lives down the street and said, let me be clear, we are horrified, we are furious, and we are not going to pretend this is anything but what it is, another senseless act of violence carried out by federal agents in our city.
They're pretty sure that they know what's going on and they're not willing to believe that there could be any other perspective.
We had four years of a massive border infiltration by the Biden administration.
You had people coming in claiming asylum who had no business claiming asylum.
And because Biden wiped out the Wade in Mexico policy on his very first day in office, you have millions of people who are in the country who have no business having an asylum claim who are just here and they're being protected.
And some of them are committing crimes for sure because people commit crimes.
See, that definitely happens.
And no one wants to hear about that, right?
No one wants to hear about how that's what was going on.
And then last night, just a little bit after Governor Waltz said that he was damn proud of Minnesota.
A mob descended on the St. Paul Hotel, the home to suites, where they believed that ICE was staying.
They smashed windows.
They injured at least one agent who was there.
And we can take, you know, we can take a look at this one.
This is from Freedom News TV.
See, there's people outside this hotel storming in.
unidentified
They're breaking windows.
libby emmons
They're banging on stuff.
And there's just one ticker card out there.
There's just one guy.
He's trying to protect everybody in the house.
unidentified
That was a police coming to hell.
And at this point, 20 yards out, you're seeing this federal officer, suspected federal officers, tried to train his loan gun on.
libby emmons
He's got a mobile phone.
Is he supposed to just let them in?
unidentified
It is not live.
It's not live.
It's not live.
It is not a live gun.
serge du preez
It's crazy how they all just hold cell phones and say they're press.
libby emmons
They just, everyone holds cell phones and says they're pressed.
Yeah.
serge du preez
As soon as they were the ones smashing the windows, then you say, oh, no, I was pressed the whole time, guys.
libby emmons
Exactly.
They're smashing windows.
They're bloodying officers.
I think we have a guest coming up, don't we?
unidentified
Yeah, we do.
libby emmons
Yeah, and we can ask him about this.
We can ask him about Todd Blanche, which is the next one.
unidentified
What's up?
You can lead off with this while I get that set up.
libby emmons
Okay, awesome.
We're going to jump in with this.
Todd Blanche, Trump administration attorney, was speaking with Kristen Woker on Meet the Press, and let's check it out.
kristen welker
Is the death of U.S. citizens a price the Trump administration is willing to pay to carry out its immigration policies?
todd blanche
What does that have to do with whether it was a U.S. citizen or not?
Any death is lawful.
unidentified
Two of the deaths.
kristen welker
But two of the people killed were U.S. citizens.
President Trump said his goal was to deport the worst of the worst people.
My question for you is, is this part of the collateral damage something that the administration is willing to accept as a part of its crackdown on people who are here illegally?
todd blanche
It shouldn't be.
It should not be.
And you don't see it anywhere in this country.
I mean, I'm very confused about why the conversation is about what you're talking about instead of focusing on what really matters, which is why in one city, in one place, do we have these problems?
We deport 10 times the number of illegal aliens out of Texas than we do out of Minneapolis.
Why do we hear nothing out of Texas about any of the same problems that we have in Minneapolis?
I'll tell you why.
Because in Texas, we have the cooperation and support of local law enforcement so that we can do these operations safely, keeping U.S. citizens and others protected and safe.
That is not what we have in Minneapolis.
And the fact that it's the administration that's being blamed for the utter failure of leadership in Minneapolis is not right.
It's not appropriate.
kristen welker
Are you saying those officers bear no responsibility?
libby emmons
So let's bring in Richie McGinnis and ask him about it.
Hey, Richie.
How's it going?
unidentified
Can you hear us?
Oh, there he is.
Hi, you can hear us.
There you go.
libby emmons
Hey, Richie.
richie mcginniss
Hey, how are we doing?
libby emmons
How are you doing?
Thanks for joining us today.
richie mcginniss
Enduring the snow in D.C. Right.
libby emmons
So why is it that we're only seeing this in Minneapolis?
Why aren't we seeing this in any of the other locations where we've had mass deportations?
richie mcginniss
Well, obviously Minneapolis has been a hotbed for this kind of stuff since I was there in 2020.
And Tim Wallace isn't exactly helping the issue.
This is the same playbook that we saw in 2020 where Democrat governors, Democrat mayors, they use this as an opportunity to put their finger in the eye of Donald Trump and it gets them onto the national stage.
And it has a lot more to do with them than it does the actual citizens of the city, many of whom I'm sure are not very happy with all of the unrest that's taking place right now.
libby emmons
Yeah, so you said that you were out there in the BLM days of 2020.
Alex Pretty was out there in BLM 2020 as well, it was reported.
And he recently decided to go out again and start protesting after Renee Good was killed.
What do you think is the difference now between what we saw in 2020 and right now, 2026?
Evolution Of Protests Tactics 00:08:35
libby emmons
And what can we attribute to what appears to be a pretty big escalation?
richie mcginniss
Well, number one, I think the tactics have improved.
I saw rapid improvement of tactics when we were in Portland, for example.
libby emmons
You mean leftist tactics?
richie mcginniss
Yes, the tactics against DHS officers, now in this case against ICE officers, they develop very quickly.
And they have Cam Higby just released these leaked messages from a private chat.
And what you see there is an evolution of tactics.
So in Portland, what I saw was guys say, oh, well, if we want to throw the tear gas back at the police, let's go get heat-treated gloves.
Let's get lacrosse sticks.
Let's put street cones on top of the tear gas and pour water on them to diffuse them.
And even all the way up to ratcheting up to Molotov cocktails.
And so we're seeing something very similar right now in Minneapolis where they're seeing the videos hit the internet of attempts to impede the ICE arrests that are taking place.
And when they see that, they see what goes wrong.
They see what goes right.
They evolve.
And going out armed, you've seen more and more people coming out armed.
And I saw that to a certain degree in 2020.
But having taken a concealed carry course, the first thing that you're told is avoid confrontations with law enforcement.
And with great power comes great responsibility.
So while he, it appears based on the videos, he didn't actually draw his weapon and that it was taken out of his waistband.
That the fact that he entered into a confrontation, the fact that he volunteered himself into that confrontation, that's something that's not a very good idea when you're armed.
It's quite the contrary.
When you're armed and you have a confrontation with law enforcement, or if they attempt to clear you from the street or you get pulled over, you have to be very careful about how you approach that situation.
Obviously, he wasn't very careful.
libby emmons
What do you attribute to the escalation of tactics?
Has there been training in the background?
What has been going on with all of that?
And how is that organized?
How are these trainings organized?
I know that I'm still on some email lists from some leftist organizations and they'll say, Libby, join us tonight for this seminar on how to do training and how to confront law enforcement and all of these kinds of things.
Is it just virtual or is there more to it?
richie mcginniss
Well, there's in-person stuff in front of the Portland courthouse in 2020.
They would have obviously conversations that I infiltrated on different private chat messages, encrypted chat messages, but also in person where they're actually showing people how to build makeshift Molotov cocktails and showing people how to go tear down the fence.
So one thing that I saw in Portland was this fence that surrounded the federal courthouse.
They were constantly trying to breach that fence so that they could light fires on the interior of the plaza and attempt to gain access into the building.
They like, initially, you know, they just push up against the fence.
Then they brought out ropes.
They were actually using the ropes, able to take it down.
They brought out metal saws.
I mean, and then obviously the leaf blowers was another thing.
The leafblowers were so successful that DHS officers actually brought out their own leaf blowers.
And that's why, in my book, Riot Diet, that chapter about Portland is called the Battle of the Leafblowers.
And so, the absurdity of it seems it's absurd.
Like, if somebody observed that in 2018, they'd say, What the heck?
There's no way that you'll have leafblowers on both sides of a riot like that.
But that's what we're witnessing: not a slow, but a pretty rapid escalation.
And because of the way that the internet works now, everybody's able to see the video in real time.
And what we're seeing now with Renee Goode and in this latest case with Predi is that people see the video.
And if you're on one side of the political spectrum, you view one thing, and it's the exact same video, exact same angles, and people have completely opposite interpretations of what took place.
And that's what's really concerning: we now live in two realities.
And so, because of the way that the internet hyper-polarizes our constituents and the citizens of the United States, you know, if you take the most extreme approach, it's like you can say in one breath, okay, yeah, you should not, he should not have volunteered himself into that confrontation.
You can say in the other, things happen very, very quickly.
And it does appear based on the video that he that the firearm was removed prior to the shooting.
What people don't know when they're sitting behind their keyboards is how quickly this happened.
So, like, when I witnessed the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting in Kenosha, Wisconsin, everybody on the left was saying that, oh, Kyle Rittenhouse, he shot Joseph Rosenbaum in the back.
What they didn't say is that Joseph Rosenbaum chased him down, screamed F you, and lunged for his weapon.
And the fact that when he lunged for the weapon, Rittenhouse dodged, and after he dodged, he fired.
And one of the shots, the killing shot, went into his back and down through his lungs and shattered his pelvis.
And that happened in a matter of three shots in 0.7 seconds.
And it happened.
So, what the prosecution was trying to say in that trial was that he shot him in the back as if, you know, the guy turned his back and he shot.
And not that he lunged and dodged and one, two, three.
It's actually four shots, one, two, three, four as he was going down to the ground.
So he went from lunging for the gun to just grabbing onto air when Rittenhouse dodged around.
So what people don't realize when they're sitting at home, you know, spewing vitriol from their keyboards is that this stuff happens like that.
And it's incredibly hard for people on the scene.
You saw that there were whistles, there was, and it sounds like there was a discharge of a shot before the shots went off.
And it's really, really difficult.
It's easy to do a play-by-play and slow-mo after the fact and say they should have done this, they should have done that.
But in the actual situation, in a riot where people are screaming, it's incredibly difficult.
And not to mention the adrenaline.
It's not, there's no decision making.
It's pure circuitry, it's pure training, and it's pure instinct.
And it's really easy for people to use their frontal cortexes to assess these situations after the fact.
But when you're on the scene and even you introduce tear gas and pepper spray into it, and that impedes your senses even further.
So, yeah, I'm mostly disappointed with the way that we continue to just approach these situations in the same way.
And the way that Tim Walz has approached this is using it as a political opportunity for him to take his soapbox and put his thumb in the eye of Donald Trump.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And I think actually this whole shooting on Saturday, I think it was actually within the space of one second.
I think it was something like that.
So it was an extremely quick period of time when all of this happened.
And I'm glad you brought up the narrative, right?
The fight that we're having over narrative, because that is such a huge deal.
One thing that I was thinking about was how I think it was like a week ago, we had the storming of the church in St. Paul, and we also had the arrest of a Hmong man who was escorted out, and then it turned out that he was the wrong guy.
He wasn't the guy they were looking for.
And if you looked at NPR and the New York Times, you pretty much only saw this guy being escorted out of his home, right?
That's it.
That was like their whole thing that happened this weekend.
And if you looked on X, you heard all about this storming of the church situation where Don Lemon was with them and questioning and all of this.
And that was like the most crazy pageant with these terrified children and Nikki Minaj was against it and everything.
But we don't even hear the same stories and they're not even framed in the same way.
You also have the situation where leftist media is very obsessed with the story of the five-year-old boy who was left behind when his father was approached by immigration authorities and he ditched his kid and then he was arrested.
The child was left alone in the truck or in the car, whatever it was.
And then when authorities went and knocked on the door to ask the mother to take the child, she would not open the door.
And the husband was screaming from the driveway, like, don't open the door.
And so now the child and the husband are in, I think, Dilley Immigration Detention Center in Texas because this mother would not open the door.
She wouldn't engage at all to get her son back.
So they're very obsessed with that.
And they're going on with these, you know, conditions at immigration detention facilities and all this talk about family separation, which, of course, if you look back at it, is really from the Flores settlement decision.
And you could go back, I mean, in history to the 90s about all of this.
Outlets' Trust Crisis 00:14:05
libby emmons
But is there any way to bridge this narrative situation where you see a video, you see a news story, and immediately based on your political perspective, people choose upsides as to what they think the story is.
Are we way past bridging that?
Or is there a way forward with unity?
Or are we on the verge of like, seriously, are we in a civil war scenario?
richie mcginniss
Well, I'm not going to say we're not in a civil war scenario.
I don't want to like.
libby emmons
But we're not in a civil war.
richie mcginniss
We're not in a civil war scenario.
I think the positive thing that I've seen coming out of this shooting, and which really started long before 2020, people are trusting the big institutional news brands less and less based upon, you know, COVID and the way that that was treated by institutional media.
The Kyle Rittenhouse shooting is a great example where he was labeled by Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and then their media allies as a white supremacist, which obviously wasn't true.
People now trust people, and authenticity is a new currency in the discourse.
And so when you have individuals who think independently, and that's valued in our discourse, then what I've seen come out of this shooting is a lot of people saying, hey, you know, is this a good shoot?
Like, should we be proud and celebrating this?
Not necessarily, but things happen quickly.
And so that nuanced take that came out of the shooting, I think, is rising to the surface more so than it did in 2020.
And I think that's a positive development that will continue to strengthen because now that people are following, I think, you know, Tucker Carlson would be another good example of this where he doesn't just follow the party line.
You can like or hate what he has to say.
But the fact of the matter is, is when Tucker is on camera, the reason why he still has so much power in our conversations and on the internet is because even after he was fired from the big institutional media company, Fox News, he maintained his independence.
He maintained his authenticity.
He strengthened his authenticity when he went onto the internet.
And that's why no matter how much conservatives and people on the left try to attack him, he still is an important figure in our conversations.
And he's certainly not following the party line.
Obviously, Tim is not that way as well.
Tim, he has things, he criticizes the right.
He criticizes the left.
And as do you, Libby, I'll give you some credit.
And so I think as we move forward, it behooves people to start following individuals that they trust personally rather than saying, oh, well, the New York Times or the Washington Post said it, so it has to be true.
libby emmons
What is the future of these media outlets that are so skewed?
In our past, certainly, one of the big uses of the large media organizations was that they had resources.
They could go out there and report on things that not everybody could.
And now you see that they're not even there.
We didn't see the New York Times at the Home Two Suites in St. Paul last night.
We didn't see the New York Times out where Alex Predi was, you know, confronting law enforcement or with Renee Good.
We barely see the New York Times at any of these things except afterwards with their analysis.
What is the role for these big outlets?
And do we still need institutional outlets?
Or are we going to do it?
Is it just all?
Yeah.
richie mcginniss
Well, by the way, they also weren't out in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
The New York Times reporter went home that day because they're afraid for their safety, which turned out actually not to be the worst decision in the world.
But the fact of the matter is, is we have these cell phones now, and we can record broadcast quality footage with a cell phone.
And you don't need a $50,000 camera in order to live stream to the public.
And so I'll give credit to BG on the scene, Jorge Ventura, who have been out there the last couple of days, and they're live streaming.
And people, my friend actually, he texted me, hey, like, you know, I'm watching this ICE stuff on Fox.
And I'm like, dude, don't tune into Fox.
BG's got a live stream right now.
Tune into that because he's going to be, they're going to be on the periphery with their big cameras, which draw a lot of attention.
And people, you know, they can't get into the thick of it.
And people with their cell phones are able to fly under the radar and able to become a fly on the wall where people can tune in and see what's really going on, not just a guy on the outside saying, well, it's very much a party-like atmosphere.
Back to you in the studio, Jim.
So I think as, you know, it has taken longer than I thought it would.
Like, just like I thought that institutional media would have a come to Jesus moment when they realized that, you know, Donald Trump won in 2016 because the people were fed up and he ran as a change candidate.
But so it has taken a lot longer.
I mean, here we are in 2026 and that still hasn't happened.
But the fact of the matter is, the more that this happens, the more that these politically charged situations take place and people realize that they're getting the truth from individuals who are willing to speak from their own perspective, having been on the ground, that's what people are tuning into now.
And after Kenosha, you know, I had to threaten to sue CNN just to get onto their airwaves because I went onto Tucker's show the night after the shooting and they said, McGinnis supported the conservative claim that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense.
And I said, I didn't support any conservative claim.
I stated objective observations of what I saw on the night of the shooting and directly of what Kyle Rittenhouse told me when I interviewed him 13 minutes before the shooting.
And so I had to fight to get onto their airwaves.
But I think people are just like tuning out from cable news in general.
The numbers show that.
And people are tuning into, you know, internet outlets like Timcast.
And that's where they're getting their news.
So it's not going to happen overnight.
But I do think that we're trending in the positive direction as far as that goes.
The one thing that does worry me is the way in which these algorithms still prioritize not the most voracious information, but the information that causes people to have the most retweets and have the most likes.
And that's one thing where I wish that the algorithms promoted people like BG on the scene or Jorge who have a more nuanced approach than they do right now.
So that's one thing I hope to see more of in the future.
libby emmons
Do you think we're going to miss the big media outlets when they're gone?
richie mcginniss
No.
libby emmons
I worry about that because I think about that in terms of the state of America, right?
We think about it, it's not just our media institutions, but it's our big institutions across the board.
It's our storied universities and our museums, our not-for-profits, our social services organizations, all of these things that continue to crumble one by one.
The UN is on the ropes to a certain extent.
A lot of the social services groups, the big NGOs are on the ropes.
They all got a talking to last week in Davos from Trump and from Lutnick, which was a fascinating thing, the Howard Luttnick thing.
His speech about, you know, why is Europe going net zero when you don't even make a battery?
Like, what's the matter with you?
You know, why are you deciding by fiat to be subservient to China?
I thought that was a fascinating question.
But when we look at this and we look at the America that we have built over the past 250 years, we have built it brick by brick.
Our ancestors, everyone who's been here, you know, has built it.
We've built up Harvard and the New York Times and the Federal Reserve and all of our electoral systems.
And now as we watch them really just crumble and it's taking a long time for them to crumble, right?
Why is the New York Times not crumbling?
Because it is big.
It has been built strong.
It's been built with rocks, you know?
So our civilization has been built up so big that it takes a longer time for something like that to crumble, right?
I mean, it's not the, if you look at the three little pigs, you know, we're in the brick house over here.
You know, like that's what's going on.
So it takes a long time.
What happens when everything that we've built so strong is revealed as the hoax that it has turned into?
I don't think it always was, but is revealed to be so biased and so, you know, essentially prejudice against truth that they crumble and we haven't built anything to replace it.
It takes a long time to build and it's easy to tear down.
So then what are we going to be left with?
And when you have Tim Waltz saying that he hopes that America, Americans do the right thing the way he believes Minnesotans are doing the right thing, what do we have on our hands here?
richie mcginniss
Well, I think the only answer is that we have to build new things.
And that's obviously you work with Tim Cast.
He built that through blood, sweat, and tears.
I started my own publishing company because when I pitched this book about all the BLM protests and riots and then all the way leading up to January 6th, I was told by every publisher that you need to pick a side if you want to sell books.
And even publishers on the right, conservative publishers told me in 2022 that Trump wasn't going to make it through the primary and that this whole thing was old news.
So I said, all right, well, I got the guy who wrote Jarhat as my editor.
I don't really need anything else.
So I started my own publishing company, Pigeon Press.
What's that?
libby emmons
Tony?
richie mcginniss
Tony Swofford.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Oh, tell Tony I said what's up.
Tony, we used to, whatever.
We used to have a great time at these lake house parties.
richie mcginniss
Oh, he knows how to drink.
I can't keep up with Tony when it comes to the idea.
libby emmons
Tony's a great guy.
Literally tell him I said what's up.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, and he's a great writer.
And that's what he's doing.
And that's what the right needs, especially right now, is that, you know, the left has long dominated our culture because they were the best at being creative.
And so, you know, I wouldn't identify myself as explicitly, you know, conservative or I would consider myself a classical liberal, but that puts me more on the right than it does on the left these days when you look at where the left is in 2026.
But the fact of the matter is, you need to still make good stuff.
So if you look at like what the Daily Wire is doing, in my opinion, they're doing it wrong because they're doing it from a totally stilted, kind of stuffy perspective.
And they're not realizing that you still need to go to, if you put a product in front of somebody that's not good, then they're not going to watch it.
So just go out and make good stuff, I think, and build something new.
libby emmons
What would you say to kids who want to build new stuff and make something new, right?
I mean, we have, we have, they don't even get to have snow days in New York City anymore.
Like, they can't even make a snowman, you know, like they're everything that they're being taught is online.
And this is something as a mom that I look at and I'm like, why do we have an extra laptop in the house?
What is going on?
Why do we need this?
What are kids supposed to do?
How are they supposed to feel inspired when they're being so stunted?
And they're being fed this stuff.
If you look at schools, they get this thing CNN 10 every morning.
It's like a 10-minute breakdown from CNN of the most important news.
And they barely cover anything.
You know, my son will come home and tell me what they said.
And I'll be like, that's not important.
That's stupid.
That's wrong.
That's the opposite of what happened.
So, yeah.
I mean, how do you build?
richie mcginniss
The most important thing.
libby emmons
Because you have this like optimistic perspective.
richie mcginniss
Yeah.
libby emmons
So I'm trying to lean on it.
unidentified
I love it.
richie mcginniss
Well, I think the most important thing, like when I was writing my book, I wasn't asking myself, what do people want to hear?
I had to take what I filmed, what I actually saw, what I actually heard, what I actually had on video, and try to relay that to people.
Because once I printed the book, I knew that it was going to be out there.
And that's my calling card for until I'm dead.
And so if I don't stick to what I think to be true, if I don't stick to the values that I hold dear, then I'm going to have to live with that for the rest of my life.
So I did have to kind of detach myself from the narratives that were spinning up in 2024.
I hit the publish button on election day.
I knew it was going to happen.
But the most important thing is like unplug from the audience capture.
A lot of people are just out there saying what it is they think their audience wants to hear because they want more likes and more retweets.
And the fact of the matter is, is things are changing very rapidly.
And what you think to be a conservative today or a Republican today or a Democrat today, that's shifting rapidly.
And so rather than saying, okay, what does the red or blue want to hear?
Just say, what's important to me and what's my mission here?
And unplug from the algorithm and just go make good stuff.
libby emmons
Yeah, I love that.
I think that's so important.
That's kind of, that's how it was when we were kids.
It was like, you know, my friend got a camera and she wanted to take photos.
So we all went out into the park and took photos, you know.
You had kids who wanted to write plays.
So we all put them on.
You know, we just all, you just all did the thing.
I think that's really important because media, news media is not the only avenue in which to make a difference.
And in fact, it's probably not the most lasting avenue.
It's probably not even the most important.
You know, the things that really touch our souls and touch our hearts are so much bigger in the broad scheme of things.
And those are the things that are truly lasting.
You know, the books that we read, the stories that we share, because we're not really anything other than the stories that we share.
richie mcginniss
And that's what Swafford told me.
And that's why I decided to start my own publishing company because they were all telling me you can't combine memoir with chronicle, like what happened and then who you are.
And Swofford was telling me the opposite.
He was like, we want more personal stuff.
The reader wants to know who the narrator is before they're willing to trust you along on this ride.
And so I want more personal stuff.
I want more memoir.
And I was like, I'm going to listen to the guy who wrote the best war book of the last 30 years instead of these guys who are executives at these massive publishing companies.
So yeah, pigeon press.
It's not a penguin, which is a flightless bird.
It's not a peacock like an NBC, which is also a cocky flightless bird.
Why We Want More Personal Stuff 00:02:41
richie mcginniss
It's just take the message, attach it to the leg of the pigeon, send it straight to the people.
libby emmons
Yeah, and the pigeons are everywhere.
They are.
richie mcginniss
They're not real.
We're not sure if they're real yet.
We're not sure if they're government drones.
libby emmons
Well, you can't go to a city without seeing them anywhere.
And even when they have those little hurt feet, they just keep walking across the bus.
richie mcginniss
That's us with our cell phones.
We have eyes everywhere and just rely on the pigeons to tell you what's going on rather than the big corporate media institutions.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
Well, I hope that goes awesome.
Thank you.
richie mcginniss
Yeah, if you guys out there, if you guys out there, you have any nonfiction stories, we do Pulp Nonfiction, pigeonpress.com.
libby emmons
Okay, great.
Well, thank you so much.
You want to shout anything else out besides Pigeon Press?
richie mcginniss
No, Richie McGinnis.
at Richie McGinnis on all social media platforms.
libby emmons
Okay, great.
Thank you so much, Richie.
I really appreciate your taking the time today.
richie mcginniss
Thanks, Libby.
Appreciate it.
libby emmons
Serge, I think we had a really important announcement.
unidentified
Yes, we did.
That's true.
Let me pull that up here for you.
That came in when you were just starting the show, I believe.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think this is awesome.
So this is a follower who, a viewer who wrote in to say.
Yeah, howdy, everyone.
Keeping with tradition.
I'm in the delivery room with my wife right now waiting to deliver our second daughter.
Please join me in something, prayer, joyousness, champagne, toast, any of the above.
Congratulations to Edgar Allan Popo out there.
I'm so excited for you.
And I'm so excited that you're having, where are you going with that, Serge?
It's everywhere.
Oh, I'm so excited that you're having a second daughter.
That is really exciting.
And I'm so excited for all of you out there who are starting families in what is a difficult time for our country and what's a difficult time to be an American, right?
Because we have this amazing country.
When I was a kid growing up, we had this idea that America was the greatest country on earth, that we had the best system of government, or rather, the idea was you had the worst system of government except for all the rest.
So really, it was the best.
And I hope that our young people growing up today can get some of that idea.
I will tell you that it's been my pleasure to host for Tate Brown today.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm with the Postmillennialandhumanevents.com.
And you can check out everything that we're doing on those platforms.
Big Announcement Coming Soon! 00:01:09
libby emmons
I'm going to be on Timcast IRL tonight.
I'm stoked for that.
It's been a minute.
So I'm really excited to come on and talk to everybody and hear what everybody else has to think about this insane situation that we're in.
Another ridiculous weekend in Minneapolis.
Why Minneapolis is the only city in the country where we're seeing this kind of complete mayhem, this kind of fecklessness from our elected leaders, although it certainly looks like other leaders that we have are interested in joining Waltz and being complete fools as to how they run their cities.
And I'm also going to be having a big announcement coming soon.
So that's exciting.
And I'm hoping to announce that later on Timcast.
So you should really, what?
The pre-announcement to the announcement.
This is the pre-I'm going to make a number of little teaser announcements because, you know, that's what you do, I guess, when you're me.
So I just want to thank you guys all for tuning in.
And I'll see you tonight.
We're going to read before we darken training.
unidentified
What's that?
We're going to read before we darken training.
libby emmons
And we're going to raid Devori Darkens, according to Serge, who knows everything.
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