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Sept. 25, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show
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Anti ICE Shooter Was Kirk Assassin Copycat, FBI Says Attack Was Planned
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What is up, Patriots?
This is Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Pool on this Thursday.
I am taking you into the afternoon of the Rumble morning lineup, or I guess it'd be the daily lineup because it is not the morning anymore.
We have a big, big day of news today.
Huge news.
Obviously, yesterday breaking was the Dallas ICE shooting.
Just the leftist violence does not stop, and you just wake up every morning sort of expecting a new incident.
So there's some updates on the ice shooting.
Obviously, the left is trying to paint this as another MAGA guy.
They're doing the Jimmy Kimmel routine.
Nothing surprising there.
So we're going to have, we have to break that down.
And we also have polling indicating that Americans are giving up on democracy.
Maybe.
I don't know.
It's getting a little wacky and wild out there.
We do have polling that indicates that the overwhelming majority of Americans are very concerned about political violence.
Not really a shocker, but there are people that are still denying that political violence is pretty much only coming from the left.
So we will break that down as well.
And then we also have massive geopolitical news.
NATO is scrambling because in Denmark, they had a drone show over their airport.
The only problem was no one ordered a drone show.
We don't know where these drones came from.
We suspect it may have been Russian.
We also had U.S. fighter jets scrambled in Alaska to intercept Russian jets that were flying overhead.
It's getting really crazy out there, folks.
And it's getting so crazy that I had to tap the Patriot network and I was given a Tatecast Cube.
Shout out to Patriot John from Texas.
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Anyway, I digress.
Let's get into the show.
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We have the first big story from ABC News.
Dallas ICE shooting latest.
Sniper allegedly left behind notes saying he wanted to bring, quote, terror to agents.
The sniper who opened fire on the Dallas ICE field office allegedly left behind a note about looking to stoke fear for ICE agents.
The handwritten note said, hopefully, this will give ICE agents real terror to think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof?
FBI Director Kash Patel said in a statement on Thursday, the note referring to armor-piercing bullets.
Patel said the sniper, identified by sources as 29-year-old Joshua John, allegedly had searches last month on apps that track ICE agents, and he allegedly downloaded a document called the quote Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management, which has a list of DHS facilities.
Now, you know, I know a few Tylenol Americans.
They're really into this kind of this kind of documents.
They love blueprints and these sorts of things.
But, you know, when you're searching this in tandem with some of the statements he's made, and then right here, he's conducted multiple searches of ballistics and the Charlie Kirk shot video.
That is not a document you want to see on someone's computer.
That is very, very alarming stuff.
As I said here, he conducted multiple searches of ballistics in the Charlie Kirk shot video on Tuesday and Wednesday.
Patel said, and additional evidence points to a high degree of pre-attack planning.
Patel added, John allegedly fired indiscriminately at the ICE building on Wednesday, killing one ICE detainee and critically wounding two other detainees, one of whom is a Mexican national.
That was confirmed by the Mexican foreign ministry not too long ago.
John died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, officials said.
So he just like screwed up.
He botched his attack so badly.
He didn't even like hit any of his targets.
He just killed like the people he was supposedly fighting for and then just killed himself.
Like this is a really weird, like just, he just like sucks.
Like at every level, he just, he just sucks.
He's just like a miserable human being.
Total loser.
Good riddance.
The FBI said it appeared the rounds found near the suspect had quote anti-ICE messages.
Patel released an image of recovered bullets, including one engraved with the phrase, quote, anti-ICE.
And DHS released a photo that appears to show a gunshot and an American flag display.
Here was the unspent shell casings with the anti-ICE written on there.
What looks like ballpoint pen.
And this was the photo from the DHS showing the bullet holes, as you can see here, in the American flag display inside the ICE field office in Dallas.
While no officers were injured, DHS said the shooting was a, quote, attack on ICE law enforcement.
JD Vance said during, Vice President JD Vance said during remarks in North Carolina on Wednesday that evidence that hadn't been released showed the shooter was a quote left-wing extremist who was politically motivated to go after people who are enforcing our border.
So like JD Vance said here, politically, he's going after people who are enforcing the border.
So this isn't just an attack on ICE agents.
This is an attack on the sovereignty of the United States.
This is an attack that is downstream from the leftist general hatred of American people.
They hate American people.
They hate that there's people that have been here, that have stake here, that have an attachment to the land, that feel this entitlement to the inheritance of the United States, that feel this overwhelming desire to leave something for their children.
And these people, these left-wing extremists, are just like atomized freaks who are devoid of any meaning, any authenticity whatsoever.
So nothing infuriates them more than patrolling the border because they're saying, okay, well, clearly these other Americans are have, they value their identity and they clearly have fulfillment in their identity and sort of confidence being who they are as they're Americans.
They feel so emboldened by their American heritage that they want to preserve it.
And part of that is enforcing the border.
And that drives a left-wing extremist absolutely crazy.
So that's why you see this attack on ICE agents.
This isn't just an attack on ICE agents.
This isn't just, you know, some beef with a random three-letter agency.
This is an attack on the sovereignty of the United States.
And this is an insult.
This is a direct insult to the American people.
He is saying, no, you should allow your country to be flooded by the entire world.
And I'm going to kill ICE agents if that's what it takes to bring that forth.
Just a despicable person at every level.
I'll keep reading here.
The FBI said the shooting is being investigated as, quote, an attack or an act of targeted violence.
And acting ICE director Todd Lyons said he would put all ICE facilities on a higher alert.
And the shooting comes amid ramped up ICE deportation efforts throughout the country.
And the DHS said that the ICE, oh, I'm not in Senate.
I'm sorry, everyone.
I don't know what it's like, amateur hour.
No, anyway.
Two Texas facilities were targeted this July.
A police officer was shot at an ICE detention facility in Alvarado, and a gunman opened fire at the entrance of the Border Patrol sector, Annex and McAllen.
Officers said that attacks on ICE and law enforcement must end.
Obviously, here's some quotes.
I like Trump's quote.
He just put it perfect.
This is despicable.
So true.
That is what it is.
He wrote this on Untruth.
I believe it's Untruth Social.
The brave men and women of ICE are just trying to do their jobs and remove the quote worst of the worst criminals out of our country.
But they are facing an unprecedented increase in threats, violence, and attacks by deranged radical leftists.
So true.
Here was Kash Patel's statement.
ABC did a good job summarizing it, but I can just hit it real quick.
He put this out like two hours ago.
They've been working, FBI, et cetera, working to seize devices, exploit data, and process writings obtained on location and in the subject's person residence bedroom.
The FBI is committed to providing timely updates as promised.
And then here was what ABC outlined.
This is from Kash Patel, the FBI director.
The perp downloaded a document titled Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management, containing a list of DHS facilities.
He conducted multiple searches of ballistics and the quote Charlie Kirk shot video between 9:23 and 9.24.
So that would have been Monday and Tuesday.
No, Tuesday and Wednesday.
Between 8:19 and 8.24, he searched apps that tracked the presence of ICE agents.
This has been covered previously.
This is like crazy that they're allowed to do this because you're just marking these people for hits.
I mean, that's exhibit A was yesterday.
One of the handwritten notes recovered read: Hopefully, this will give ICE agents real terror to think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof?
Further accumulated evidence to this point indicates a high degree of pre-attack planning.
The FBI will provide further updates when able.
I mean, on the handwritten note, ICE, ICE agents, I know, I know of a lot of people that have joined ICE.
I personally know too.
And these guys are patriots.
These guys are motivated by etching their names into the history book of the United States.
They're motivated by playing a role, playing a key part of the Reconquista of the United States, right?
That's what they envision themselves.
So they're not really losing sleep over like a libtard on a roof with AP rounds.
For one, the guy didn't even hit any of his targets.
He killed detainees, which is very tragic.
And I mean, obviously, this is very sad.
But he like totally screwed up what he was even trying to do because he's just a loser at every level.
And then, B, these guys, these guys, they know what they've signed up for, you know?
Like, they know it's dangerous.
They're going, and, you know, you've seen the videos of the roundups and these things.
Like, they know what they're signing up for.
So, this idea that you're going to give ICE agents real terror is absolutely absurd.
If anything, ICE agents are the ones imposing real terror on lawbreakers and the worst of the worst, as Trump said.
So, the only people that really have any real terror struck into them are the worst of the worst, as Trump has put it, because the ICE is coming for them.
So, absolute insanity.
Here's what we know on this guy.
I don't want to cover it too much, but I wanted to read this portion where JD Vance, we talked about it earlier.
Vance called John a violent left-wing extremist.
Although authorities have yet to release an official motive, the FBI special agent in charge in Dallas, Joe Rothrock, said the attack was targeted violence.
So, between that and JD Vance, sort of, you know, who would be privy to this sort of information, obviously, he's obviously a left-wing extremist.
You have on the unfired shell casings, anti-ICE.
But you still, you still, and this is thing, like assassinated Charlie Kirk, obviously, the engraved bullets, and then the Luigi Mangione, whatever, he engraved his bullets.
So, this is like the new, I guess you would say, meme, for lack of a better word.
This is the new kind of MO.
This is the new thing for these guys: like putting these, you know, messages on the bullets.
It's very Reddit, it's very cringe.
Um, this was from Pat Casey of this commentary: It blows my mind that anyone could look at a guy indiscriminately shooting up an ICE facility with anti-ICE messages on his ammo and conclude that the shooter was right-wing and pro-ICE.
But then again, these people claim that Tyler Robinson was right-wing despite being in an LGBT relationship and espousing left-wing views to his family.
We are dealing with severely delusional people here.
Not good.
And that is so true.
That is what's going on: these people are in an alternate reality.
And this is a sizable chunk of the country.
I mean, this is, I don't want to put a number on it, but this is a very, very large portion of the country.
And they legitimately think that this is just like MAGA attacking itself over and over again, and that the left are like some angels that have zero propensity to violence.
Absolute madness.
And in the face of all this evidence, they're still just in full-blown denial.
What do you do with these people?
You know, well, we see what happens when we don't crack down.
This was cited in the ABC article.
This was the attack on the ICE facility in Alvarado, which the police said was an ambush-style shooting.
The officer was shot while responding to a vandalism call at an ICE detention center, which authorities say was a ruse to draw out officials.
And then the people on Twitter were saying these women were just at a protest outside the facility and this was all unrelated.
Well, these were the women arraigned in the ambush.
You know, I don't want to be mean.
So I'll just put the photos up and then you decide what you think of these ladies.
Anyway, 16 people have been charged in this case.
This was like a month ago, this attack in Alvarado.
And it didn't really dominate the headlines.
But this kind of stuff's been happening.
This has been happening a lot.
These leftists are genuinely convinced that ICE is some sort of like Gestapo removing, you know, like good fathers and husbands and like, you know, Boy Scouts or whatever.
And it's just obviously not what's happening whatsoever.
DHS, every time they release like a guy's face when they arrest him, they have like a super villain level rap sheet.
It's just insanity.
And every time the left decides to go to bat for a guy, like that was a guy in like New York and he got like drug out of a taxi and they like lost their mind and then it turned out he was like a pedophile.
Like this happens a lot.
This happens a lot.
And every time the left starts like rallying around a guy, they decide, okay, this is the guy that we're going to go to bat for.
DHS just drops some like very basic facts on him.
And yeah, he turns out to be like a supervillain.
Like every single time, it's really remarkable, honestly, that they keep managing to do this.
This was JD Vance doubling down on what he was saying in North Carolina because it's true, is doubling down in a good way.
It's true.
Jon Favreau, you know, really an intellectual Titan, Jon Favreau, saying the VP is not a reliable source of information.
So the second most important person in the country would not be privy to information.
That's law enforcement related.
That's kind of hard to believe.
This is now the fifth or sixth time he's posted a political take contradicted by facts from his own law agency.
So this obsessive attack on law enforcement, this is what the tweet was that Jon Favreau is responding to.
The obsessive attack on law enforcement, particularly ICE must stop.
I'm praying for everyone hurt in this attack and for their families.
Very nice statement.
And then a community note.
Actually, according to an ICE spokesperson, the three individuals shot were ICE detainees.
No law enforcement were injured in this shooting.
Okay, when someone's indiscriminately shooting at a police station, that's an attack on law enforcement.
I don't know if you're like new around here.
You know how bullets work when you fire them indiscriminately, but they kind of just hit anything in that direction.
So whether it's an officer or a detainee, the shooter didn't really, you know, have a target in mind.
He was just firing into the station.
So this, what kind of institution was this?
This was a law enforcement office.
And then there was an attack on this office that is a law enforcement office.
So that would mean that it's an attack on law enforcement.
You know, I don't know if you're tracking with me, John.
I don't know if you're following kind of what I'm trying to say here.
Obviously, obviously an attack on law enforcement.
He just sucks.
He's a loser.
He can't do anything right.
And he killed detainees, which is very tragic as well.
I mean, these people certainly, I mean, no one deserves to die like that.
That's just remarkably evil to kill anyone.
And then, yeah, the fact that he was killing, he was targeting ICE agents just adds an extra level of evil.
Anyway, I digress.
Here was JD Vance.
The gunman had anti-ICE messaging carved on the bullets he used.
What precisely did I get wrong, Dip?
And then, you know, he threw some French on the end there.
Precisely, like, what, how could you possibly deny?
This is like, this is blue and on.
That's why people call it blue and on because they're like in a total cult where they just keep confirming to each other that, no, this had nothing to do.
This was this was a this was a MAGA guy.
What evidence?
Um, oh, he shot detainees.
That doesn't even make any sense.
Why, why would why would someone on the right shoot detainees?
They, they're being deported.
Like, they're in the process of being deported.
Like, where do these people come from?
Where I think it might be the Tylenol.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what's going on.
But yeah, this is just ridiculous.
And Kash Patel really needs to crack down on this because we're seeing these ICE attacks, the Alvarado one, and then the one in Dallas.
I think these people are a little bolder than you'd think.
It should be easy to, you know, to direct the FBI in that direction.
And really, if any of these people pop up on your radar, give them a knock on the door because this seems to be happening more and more.
And the leftist political violence is really getting to the point where it's like every day now you're kind of waking up and expecting something.
So, look, we need to get on to the next story.
We are going to be joined at the half hour mark by Rudgard Lynch from What a Faltist.
It's be really good.
We're going to kind of talk about the potential civil war, right?
Certainly, we're in a period of civil unrest.
You know, discuss the ramping up of political violence, what the off-ramp is, if there is one, where do young men fall and all this?
Some stark indicators is one, the world is sort of doused and gasoline right now.
This was from CBS News.
This was early this morning.
This was reported: U.S. fighter jets scrambled to intercept Russian warplanes near Alaska.
U.S. fighter jets were scrambled Wednesday to identify and intercept four Russian warplanes flying near Alaska.
The North American Aerospace Defense Command said, NORAD, get out of here, get lost.
Sorry, for listeners, there's a video popping up and it's just so annoying.
NORAD said two Russian TU-95 long-range strategic bombers and two SU-35 fighter jets were flying in the Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone, which is an international airspace that abuts.
I never used that word in my life.
Interesting.
Abuts U.S. and Canadian sovereign airspace.
It's going to be good for Scrabble later.
NORAD responded Wednesday by sending an E-3 early warning and control aircraft along with four F-16s and four KC-135 tanker planes to positively identify and intercept the Russian aircraft in the Alaskan airspace.
NORAD said Russian military activity in the ADIZ is common and not considered a threat, but it was the latest in a series of flights by Russian aircraft seen as many as testing the preparedness of U.S. and allied NATO nations.
They're referencing this.
This happened also this morning.
Denmark considers triggering NATO Article 4 after drones fly over his airport after their airport.
This is what I was talking about earlier.
No one paid for a drone show.
No one's really, no one knows what happened here.
This is getting a little wacky and wild.
Denmark is considering triggering NATO Article 4 after the country was forced to close Auborg airport after drones were spotted for a second time this week.
It's getting crazy.
The Russians, presumably the Russians, right?
Look, we had the attack.
Let's see if they, where do they talk about in this article?
We had the, or sorry, the incident in Poland, right?
Where we had Russian drones over Poland.
So there's clearly, there's clearly a situation going on.
Here we go.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry, I was like, I knew there was commentary on it somewhere.
Russian drones were shot down by Polish and Allied NATO warplanes after crossing into Polish airspace on September 9th.
And then 10 days later, Estonia said several Russian fighter jets entered its airspace.
So Russia's clearly poking and prodding at NATO, trying to see sort of what their capabilities are, where their lines are, these sorts of things.
And in response, we got this article.
This was like an hour ago.
So this is hot off the press.
This is from the Washington Post.
Hexeth orders rare, urgent meetings of hundred urgent meetings of hundreds of generals and admirals.
The Pentagon has summoned military officials from around the world for a gathering in Virginia.
Even top generals and their staffs don't know the reason for the meeting.
I don't know if that, I think that's just kind of what they would tell you.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered hundreds of the U.S.'s military generals and admirals to gather on short notice and without a stated reason at a Marine Corps base in Virginia next week, sowing confusion and alarm after the Trump administration's firing of numerous senior leaders this year.
This highly unusual directive was sent to virtually all the military's top commanders worldwide, according to more than a dozen people familiar with the matter.
The directive was issued earlier this week as a government shutdown looms, and months of Heg Seth's team at the Pentagon announced plans to undertake a sweeping consolidation of top military commands.
In a statement Thursday, Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell affirmed that Hegseth, quote, will be addressing his senior military leaders early next week, but he offered no additional details.
Parnell, a senior advisor to the Defense Secretary, voiced no concerns about the Washington Post reporting on the meeting scheduled for Tuesday and Quantico.
So clearly the Pentagon is thinking something, and presumably it is related to these incidents, right?
You had the Poland situation where there was drones shot down.
You had warplanes over Estonia.
You had now the planes getting or the U.S. equipment and whatnot being buzzed in international waters near Alaska by Russian jets and then us intercepting them, you know, asking them, what are you doing?
And then you had Denmark now with a drone situation overhead the airport.
So clearly the Pentagon wants to have an emergency meeting, Among Us style, boom, emergency meeting.
Let's figure out what is going on.
Yeah, we don't have too much information out of what, you know, what this meeting, you know, what's going on.
But obviously, this is causing people are on edge, obviously, within the United States, certainly, because of the climate, the political climate, obviously, very violent.
People are worried, man.
Like World War III, it's the back of everyone's head.
It's been in the back of everyone's head for a while now.
But you're seeing situations like this, and you're seeing situations with Russia, you know, testing NATO, seeing, you know, what's really, what's really going on here, like what I would take when a lot of other people's takes would be is that the reason Trump is really ramping up rhetoric in regards to Ukraine and the reason Russia is now ramping up sort of their military maneuvers is because there is negotiations ahead.
And both parties, when it comes to the negotiating table, exercising max pressure on the other party, they want to be able to come with the most amount of chips possible.
They want to come negotiate from a position of strength.
That's the optimistic view.
And I do think that's realistic.
I do think that's likely.
And that's what I'm hopeful for as well.
Is that this is both parties knowing that negotiations are looming.
A close to the Russian-Ukraine war could be looming, and that they're simply ramping up pressure on the other to, again, be able to negotiate from a position of strength.
You don't want to be negotiating from the back foot.
That was Biden's strategy.
We saw how that went in Afghanistan.
So it's definitely Trump's playbook.
Certainly falls within Putin's as well.
I would lean in that direction, that that's what's going on here.
But again, this could be, I mean, this could be, I mean, this meeting, if it is urgent and it's rare, there's a chance that we could be getting blindsided.
So, yeah, who knows what's going on?
It's getting crazy.
Interesting.
I got an interesting alert from one of our producers.
I'm going to wait until that's 100% confirmed because that would change everything.
We're going to wait.
We're going to wait.
I don't want to bring it up just in case it is fake news.
Here's one more story before we get to Rudyard.
Interview Rudyard.
What a faultist.
He's going to have some thoughts on this.
Majority of Americans believe democracy isn't working.
This is from Quinnipiak.
They released this poll.
53.
This is from Media.
Quinnipiak via Mediaite found that 53% of citizens believe American democracy is not working right now, compared to 41% of Americans who believe the system is going fine.
Those on the left, unsurprisingly, were much more likely to say that the figurative house is burning down, with 74% of polled Democrats saying the system of democracy in the United States is not working.
Only 22% of Republicans said it's not working.
74% of GOP voters said there's no problem at all, which, you know, obvious.
That's how politics works.
Still, 53% of citizens believe American democracy is not working right now.
It's not good.
You don't want half the country not believing in the system that, you know, lets the country operate.
That's not a good thing.
But here's a few more stats from Quinn Ipiak.
This is the poll they're sighting.
I think Media just packaged it a little better.
It's a little easier to read.
79% of American voters believe the U.S. is in a state of political crisis.
That's very strong language, political crisis.
79% of Americans.
So 8 out of 10.
71% of Americans believe political violence is a, quote, very serious problem, up from 54% who felt that way in June.
Should be 100%.
I don't know who the 30% of Americans are that are like, oh, no, I don't really see the issue.
I don't think there's anything going on.
Maybe they just missed the news.
I don't know.
That could be the situation.
Or they're just dumb people.
That's also quite likely.
Actually, that's probably what's going on.
53% of voters said they are pessimistic about free speech in the United States.
Yeah, welcome to our world where we're all getting, we were getting banned from everything for years.
I mean, Gavin McGinnis got banned like last week.
He'd been banned since 2018.
So yeah, free speech has been under attack from all angles.
I'd be curious to see which voters, which what their affiliation was.
Anyway, this is just very, very ominous sign for the United States.
We're already in this very tense political situation.
Leftists are just like mowing us down left and right.
The right is saying, let's crack down to stop this from happening.
Obviously, you're going to step on some toes.
Obviously, they're going to get a bit mean to make this stop.
You're going to have to treat these people, these far-left extremists.
You're going to have to treat them like al-Qaeda.
Unfortunately, that's just what you got to do because these people are just not willing to negotiate.
These people are not willing to be reasonable.
They're not willing to be bargained with.
They just want to kill.
So it's just insanity.
It's total insanity.
And that's why we're bringing Rudyard in to explain all this.
So it's going to be good.
With that, I'm going to go to the full screen here.
With that, that's going to close the first half hour of our live show.
Thank you for watching.
We have an interview coming up with Rudyard Lynch.
That'll be on the Culture War channel at 4 p.m.
And we'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
Thank you very much for watching.
You like that?
You like that, guys?
You like that rumblers?
You like the little behind the scenes there?
That was smooth, huh?
That was pretty, you know, we're getting there.
Anyway, with that, let's get to the interview portion of the live show.
This is from Not the Bee, which at this point is like one of the more reputable outlets.
These journals are getting a little out of control.
Leftist gun group uses note written on bullets that killed Charlie Kirk to recruit students at Georgetown University.
You guys probably saw this hey fascist catch at Georgetown at a university.
Which people are the evil fashion?
Yeah, very salient question.
It was the John Brown Gun Club at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. is advertising for new members by using one of the phrases written on Charlie Kirk's assassins bulletcasing and proclaiming that they celebrate the death of Nazis.
These are profoundly, profoundly evil people.
If you know anything about the John Brown Gun Club, they are this like, yeah, basically a leftist paramilitary.
And they need to be cracked down on with the full force of the American government.
But we're going to get Rudyard in.
We're going to get him to talk about this.
And it's going to be a beautiful, beautiful thing.
Let's see if he's in here.
Hey, Rudyard, can you hear me?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
I can hear you.
Can you hear me?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
I think we're in business.
Well, I imagine everyone knows you that's watching.
You're obviously a friend of the show.
But maybe for a few people that don't, could you give a quick introduction, who you are and what you do?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Hi, everybody.
It's a real pleasure to be here.
And thanks for having me.
And I'm Rudyard Lynch.
I run the YouTube channel What If Alt Test, which looks at the patterns in history to try to predict the future.
I'm well known for my bet when I came on earlier here that America's on the verge of a new civil war.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, well, it's a good bet looking at the direction we're heading in right now.
I was leading into this interview with an article.
It wasn't really an article.
It was a tweet from Colvet, Andrew Colvette.
I don't know if you saw it at Georgetown University.
There was a flyer that said, hey, fascist catch.
And it was an advertising, an advertisement for the John Brown Gun Club at Georgetown University.
So you're seeing like open pamphleting on universities for recruitment for these leftist paramilitaries because that's really what the John Brown Gun Club is.
How do you even begin to tamp down on that?
What does that say about the national environment that they're able to just put these posters up on universities and supposedly Catholic University, Georgetown University?
I mean, what's your take on all this?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
This has been a longstanding thing we've seen gradually grow on the left, where it was really bad last spring, especially with people attacking Teslas and threats on Elon Musk.
And that was my big tipping point when I saw that, because a lot of that leftist terrorism was very directly pushed on places like Reddit or left-wing blogs where the left is fairly overt about this stuff.
And they've been so for at least a year, where last winter, there was a social media trend of young women saying they're going to wear cute little winter boots to cause terrorism.
You need to buy your cute winter boots so that you can go out in the winter to cause terrorism.
So this has been a long-standing leftist issue and it's just gotten worse and it'll continue to get worse until you put another variable to like stop this trajectory.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Well, I mean, yeah, because we saw in the 70s or 60s and 70s where you had, you know, Weather Underground, you had like the Black Liberation Front, whatever.
You had a few of these leftist organizations and they kind of operated with impunity to a large degree because a lot of those people are still out and about today and they're walking free.
So the precedent thus far for leftist violence has actually been you can kind of get away with it.
Maybe you spent a few years in jail, but there hasn't been a serious push from the government against it.
And if anything, the intelligence agencies and the, you know, the IC in general has been oriented towards right-wingers for the longest time.
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Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
So now Trump is reorienting back to the left as he should.
It's a bit slow.
I mean, how if we can't reorient this quickly, I mean, where are they going to stop?
Like, it just seems like you're waking up every day now and there's another example of leftist violence.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
One of the core issues I've seen in like the last year is the boomer cons have not woken up to how dangerous the left is.
And most of the conservative facilities of power are still controlled by boomer cons, although Trump has shoved in a lot of millennials and Gen X's and some Gen Z.
And waking up the boomer con of leftist terrorism seems very difficult.
And one of the points James Burnham made in the 60s, which I thought was brilliant, he wrote a book that was prophetic called The Suicide of the West in 1961.
And at the time, liberals believed in stuff like free speech or tolerance and all of these more freedom-oriented things.
And it's interesting to read that as a Gen Z because in the 21st century, that's just all gone.
But the point the author makes is that every time the liberals or like the normie left wingers make a gain, they've enabled it for Marxism because they're totally incapable of pushing back against Marxism.
They just go to the right.
So everything the right loses will ultimately end up in the Marxist camp because the normie liberals are not organized or tough enough to really push back against the Marxists.
So we've seen this creeping takeover of all of the West by Marxists due to this mechanism.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that's that makes total sense.
I mean, because that's what you're seeing, where you're seeing these otherwise normie liberal pundits and politicians when they have to come out and condemn the Charlie Kirk assassination.
To whatever the level of sincerity is, is not what I'm really discussing.
I'm discussing the fact that every single time they will say political violence is wrong.
This is sad that he died.
And then they put a bunch of qualifiers onto it.
But they're saying, but whatever his politics were, politics aside, like they're still cracking the door to the fact that, like, no, your politics can actually get you hurt and that's the way it should be.
And that just shows that they're incapable of regulating everyone to the left of them.
Where on the right, I mean, for better or for worse, it's actually quite easy for the normie, the like sort of center right to regulate and sort of finger wag at the right.
They do it quite frequently, although it's, you know, they're less so able to impose their will as the Republican Party shifts more to Trump Trumpism.
But still, the left, the normie liberals, like you're saying, they're just incapable of wrangling and the Marxists.
They're terrified of them.
And you're seeing this in their condemnations.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
They have the left has a staggering absence of leadership.
And when you see stuff like this, where just the mob psychology takes over, and whenever that happens, you get the worst possible outcome because mobs are several million years less event, less less advanced than individuals evolutionarily.
And one of the benefits the right has over the left is that we can develop leaders a lot more easily.
Where Trump isn't the easiest example, but people are generally respective of Vance.
And Kirk had a tremendous amount of respect when he was still alive.
God bless.
But with the right's ability to have leadership, it means we can control our own sort of mob psychology so we don't end up with the worst possible outcomes.
It happens on the right.
It doesn't happen.
It happens like 5x as much on the left.
And because the left can't have leadership, because they're so envious and so sort of crabs in the bucket, they just devolve into the worst aspects of mob think.
Because you can't think of a single person who rose to real leadership on the left, where the reason they're putting up Biden, who was born during World War II when the British Empire was the biggest nation on earth, is because they cannot generate leadership younger than him.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, that makes total sense.
I mean, I think also it's just because right-wing philosophy is just kind of naturally hierarchical.
And then, like you pointed out, left-wing is just crabs in a pot.
It's just equality for equality's sake.
It makes it impossible for like a strong leader to get up there and really rally the troops.
Something that has been concerning to see with these shooters is how like atomized and how like how they're basically just freaks.
And you're seeing with a lot of these social trends among Zoomers, it's almost like American society is just like a repository for these types of figures.
It's like it regularly produces these types of people.
And then it really just comes down to a matter of like when, how, or why do they snap?
That's really what it feels like.
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Yeah.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Part of the reason America has school shooters, and this is a multifaceted thing.
I'm not going to say this is the only reason is the ancestors of the school shooters were like the greatest conquerors in history.
So you're taking the most successful conquerors in history, shoving them into a highly stable, highly bureaucratized, feminized society overnight.
And you have this sort of like shadow that's building up under America where we are an utterly insane people.
I mean, if you talk to enough foreigners, you'll come to realize Americans are kind of nuts in a very positive way.
And so we have this built-up tension that we don't really know how to release.
And I definitely agree with you.
It's before I came on this show, I was thinking to myself, what does the recent Charlie Kirk and assassinations tell me I didn't know before?
And it speaks to a certain trend where I predicted America would have a civil war like five years ago.
I thought it would be like a normal historic civil war, like the Spanish, where you have the Marxists fighting the conservatives.
But there's just the extra layer of madness here.
And that's just an unquantifiable thing where people have just gone utterly crazy.
And the line is still right and left, but there's also the sanity-insanity line.
And sadly, there's more insane than sane.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, you just get this general feeling.
And it wasn't like this growing up.
I don't know if you felt this way, but you get this general, and we're both young.
I mean, like I'm 24, but you get this general feeling of instability when you walk around, especially in cities, but even like a Walmart in a rural area, you get this feeling of like instability and you get this feeling off of people of like kind of desperation and like in a way that they've given up.
And that wasn't always that way.
And that's just so un-American because Americans, fundamentally, I love this description of Americans as they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires, where now it's like a country of just people that really feel like we're swirling the drain.
And that's when people snap.
It's a really horrifying thing.
So I totally agree with your dichotomy.
It's like, okay, it's still right and left in the classical sense.
But yeah, you have the, you have the extra axis now of insane versus not insane.
And it really makes it tough to sort of project what a civil strife could really look like.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
It's, I mean, a lot of you might have seen my mouse utopia video.
I don't want to get into that now, but that's my best theory.
I've also developed an idea called the psychological black death.
And that was talking two years ago that we're going to start experiencing mental health pandemics in the same way centuries ago plagues would kill off people.
But it's going to, it's going to get very strange.
American politics might start looking like a sort of drug-induced fever dream.
And the thing we have to keep in mind is that we know what truth and good is because the ancients had it for thousands of years.
And so we can choose to develop our society to ignore the insanity and sort of build a front against it rather than having it tear us apart.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
I mean, that's the tough thing is it's you have an entire, okay, so like I was, I was reading this, this new poll from Quinnipiak before you came on where it was a majority of Americans now have given up on democracy.
They don't believe in democracy.
Granted, a lot of these people identified as people on the left, so they're just going to be upset about Trump being in office.
But those numbers probably would have been swapped during the Biden years.
Like it would have been the same close to a majority.
It would have just been people on the right that were, you know, upset.
But then you had 75% of Americans saying they were very concerned about political violence.
So it's like we're getting to this point where even Americans broadly kind of understand that this situation, we can't go on like this.
But it really just comes down to who, which people are insane enough to snap.
Because I just don't see the right going kinetic anytime soon.
I don't think there's an appetite for it.
I don't think that the right has a large enough cohort of people that would be capable of sort of snapping in these ways.
But I don't know.
Maybe like Phil Labonte's on our night show, our Timcast IRL, he has this great point he makes is that the left views violence as a dial and that the right views violence as a switch that you just flip.
So, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, it's tough to project going forward, but if the leftists keep committing attacks at this rate, do you think there is a point where the right just goes kinetic and puts this back in a box?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
So I got this wrong before, and so I'm going to hold my L.
And upon holding my L, it's, I got this wrong before.
The thing that shocked me was how long this took, where I don't fault myself for thinking it would happen in the last year.
I frankly think it's strange things have lasted this long.
And that could be for a variety of factors between aging or, I don't know, people being able to eat today, which they wouldn't in the previous years of history when things are bad.
But it does feel like things have been extended longer than they should have, where, again, you're right, it's circling the drain.
And the question is, when is that going to happen and by what manner?
And the current global order is like a Jenga tower.
And with each, for those that don't know, Jenga is a game.
You put up these wooden blocks and then you take one block out until the tower falls down.
And the amount of turns till the tower falls down is how you play Jenga and you count.
And so with each Jenga that gets pulled out in the global system, the equation itself changes.
So if China invades Taiwan, that's going to ripple across the entire world.
If France's government collapses, it's going to ripple across the entire world.
And over the next two years, we're probably going to see at least like three or four Jengas get pulled out.
And with each of them, the global order is going to change.
And that changes everyone's baseline assumptions.
Does that make sense?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, totally.
I mean, one thing that's kind of interested me is the X factor.
I mean, this could be an American-centric take, but the X-Factor really does seem to be Trump because you look at countries like South Africa, countries like Brazil, countries that are built on like a Western, you know, liberal democracy, at least something reminiscent of that, although there's obviously a lot of external factors in these countries.
But you see how, by every account, they should have collapsed by now.
And they still haven't.
They still kind of run on fumes.
The government still is able to use power in some ways, even if it's not super strong.
And it makes you wonder like with the current structure, with the current deployment of the global order, how do you even get these countries to collapse?
It doesn't seem to be possible.
And then that's why I say Trump's the only X factor because he seems to be the only person that is able to single-handedly impose his will on the world order as far as the actual way that these societies are structured and shake them up.
I don't know if you have any strong opinions on this.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
The current order is going to collapse.
I stand by that.
It's just there's the only thing holding it together is entropy.
If you look at the forces on each side of it, there's 10 forces for disintegration.
And the thing that's holding the system together is a sort of bluff or a sort of myth.
But then once that bluff gets called somewhere in the world, it's going to grow everywhere else.
And that's a question of how and when.
And I don't know.
Keep in mind that as a historian, 10 years is short.
So if this happens five years after I predicted, I'll still feel sort of vindicated in the long term because you can look at a trend like this and know what's going to happen, but the timing is really difficult.
And what's often the case I find, and this is more of just like sort of a life lesson thing, is that a process will take forever to happen.
You'll wonder if it's still going to happen.
And then the second you question it, it happens, where it's the whole thing of it's darkest before the dawn, or like the British airstrike on Germany was the worst.
Sorry, the German airstrike on Britain was the worst right when the British were losing hope.
So it could be a situation like that, or it could be something else I don't know about.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I mean, it was weird in the US because like you were saying, I mean, I have been sort of, I'd sort of felt like, okay, the left was demoralized well into the Trump administration.
And yeah, you kind of almost dismiss them.
It did feel like we were really winning.
And then the Charlie Kirk shooting happens and it's a huge gut punch.
And then the bluff is called.
The bluff, which was civil discourse, was called because you saw the other side's reaction to the shooting.
No one could give a full-thirded condemnation.
And then you had a large chunk of the left just openly celebrating the attack.
And it felt like that was something that was kind of integral to the United States.
It's kind of integral to a republic is people participating in the culture of free speech and like civil discourse and these sorts of things.
And that was shattered overnight.
And a lot of these, you know, normies, boomers that you're referring to, I think even a lot of them saw that and went, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Wait, they're not just wanting to sit down and debate.
Like they're actually, they actually feel that way.
Okay.
That's kind of a wake-up call.
I mean, I don't know if you got a sense of that.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, the left, I have a principle called Lynch's Law that no matter how mentally unwell you imagine the left to be, they're worse.
The more you study into their psychology, the more you see of their behavior, you will consistently realize their mental health is worse than you thought.
And so I knew that going in.
And the scary thing is that, I mean, the left operates within sort of like a degree of plausible deniability at all times.
But Hassan and Destiny were not fully dismissive of the death of Charlie Kirk, which should have been the easiest thing ever.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
It's a layoff.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
And that's just deeply concerning because they're two of the biggest leftist accounts.
And it speaks to something I think a lot of normies liked the left because the left came across as peaceful and nice and trying to fix things in the safest way.
And then you see what's underneath that and it's utter bloodlust.
Way worse.
The left is easily more bloodthirsty than even the most right-wing factions of the left.
Or you'd have to pick the most far right to meet even something significantly more mainstream on the left.
And that's a huge collapse of illusions because on top of it, the left runs all the institutions, or the vast majority of them.
And so it makes your average normie realize, wait, maybe an insane death cult is in charge of society.
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tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's, that's the terminology I've been using is death cult because that just, it's, it seems so cliche, right?
It's like, okay, yeah, people have been saying that for years.
But it really, it's, there's not really a much better way to describe what's going on besides, yeah, this kind of underlying bloodlust that comes to the surface more often than not these days.
Um, because like you look across the West, you look at like the UK, it's kind of obvious what the flashpoint's going to be.
There's going to be immigration because that seems to be what really animates things.
And, you know, it's having a tremendous impact on the country.
But the United States, there's like a variety of places this could really pop off.
I mean, immigration is one.
That's kind of what buoyed Trump in 2016.
But there's a lot of different points in the American sort of political sphere that could really set things off.
And yeah, I mean, when it comes to the leftist bloodlust, I mean, you look at the only way to really get on top of this because you're not going to debate your way out of this is you're going to have to use the full force of the federal government and crack down on these people.
And then from there, who knows where it could go?
I mean, I personally think that you have to act as soon as possible to get a lit on this.
But I don't know.
It seems like no matter what, they accuse the Trump administration of being this like fascist authoritarian government.
And so, of course, they're going to react as if they're fighting a fascist authoritarian government because that's what they genuinely believe.
They genuinely believe these things.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
It's pretty horrifying that the left stream mainstream, the left stream, the mainstream leftist media.
No, I like the left stream better.
The left stream media, they've been calling Trump a Nazi for years and that he's going to take over authoritarian, totalitarian power and all those things.
And their messaging since the 2010s has been punch a Nazi, violence against Nazis is acceptable.
So you can see the trajectory that's going on there.
And it doesn't end well.
And they've thrown away all of their moderate sane people who would tell them no.
The issues with the no kings protest and the National Guard being sent in to deal with that, that felt like it was sort of the most plausible start to a war.
And we've consistently seen things where Trump recently said he wants to put National Guards in every major city.
And when I see that, I just think that's a tinderbox because it radically increases the space of friction.
What I mean by that is that if there's American troops in these major leftist cities and they're wandering around for the leftist elite, that's a very obvious affront on their sense of the world because these tend to be people who only think about their personal lives and then they extrapolate their theories into politics.
So if you have National Guard in major cities, that radically increases the space of friction because you'll have these soldiers who may or may not be loyal to the left constantly interfacing with these radical leftists in a bunch of places at once.
And that's just kindling.
It's just a lot of sort of matches being dropped in a very dry forest.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, we discussed it.
We touched on it earlier.
Obviously, the attacks, these attacks are being carried out by young men, and we're seeing an increase in atomization of young men.
You've covered this at length with your work.
What factor are young men going to play as the civil strife increases?
How do you keep these guys from snapping?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, it's also funny.
I didn't realize there were this many aggressive young men on the left.
Because that's been the consistent, aggressive young white men on the left.
Because that's been a consistent theme.
I think the current one got into it through weird forms of trans porn.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Which is, that's a meme.
That's a meme.
And I do not mean to speak lightly of a tragedy, but the ridiculous and the reality are merging together because our lives are the internet.
So as the internet becomes more ridiculous, reality gets more ridiculous.
But it's weird to see these young men fighting for the left because I don't know young white men.
I don't know what incentive you'd have to do that.
But I mean, if the left is already cultivating mental illness as a coalition strategy, I guess that's a good one in the current society.
Or it's a profitable one.
And so for young men, if there's going to be a war or civil strife, that would sort of radically increase their social value because both the right and the left would have to pander to young men to give them an incentive to fight.
And that might create weird social effects because you've moved from an ecosystem where the society gives young men no status to one where both sides have to pander to young men.
And I can't see if there's a civil war that there wouldn't be some variety of draft, either by the right or the left.
I think you could draft Americans to fight each other, but not other countries at this point.
The problem then becomes elites are drafting armies of young men who don't even like them.
Where I think if you got an army of 20-something year-old young white men to fight for the left, their ideological version of leftism would hate the mainstream NBC CNN leftists.
And so this creates a different disjoint.
And there's also the potential for, I mean, if the men don't get paid, if there's some break, like breakdowns in authority of like Chinese bandit warlords.
And it's just lots of, man, the story's getting so strange.
I don't know what else to say.
We're just here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
Well, like you're seeing this dichotomy with young white guys.
It's like you have two paths.
Either you look at like the photos from the Charlie Kirk Memorial, and it was like a bunch of white guys like had their lives together by all accounts.
Like they're, you know, they look, they look normal, right?
They're like wearing normal clothes, probably have fairly functional social lives.
And then you juxtapose that with the left, where it's like, the only time a young white man is celebrated on the left is if he's martyred himself in some way.
Like you see with the Aaron Bush now, remember that guy that lit himself on fire for Palestine?
I can't believe I remembered his name.
He was venerated, and then these shooters to a degree are venerated.
And it's like, that's the only time you ever actually see them celebrating a young white guy is if he kills himself for the movement.
And that's a really, really bad thing.
That's like a death cult territory, as we were hitting on earlier.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
The way I can, so there's two ways the left holds on to young white men.
One of which, and for the DNC, people have spent $20 million for a research project.
You can just listen to this.
So first thing is through mental illness.
And the thing with Tyler Robinson is that Salt Lake City is a mostly conservative place, but there are elements of Salt Lake City that are as progressive as Seattle or Portland.
They're just utterly insane.
And so he was part of that subculture, or at least adjacent to it.
And then on top of it, so mental illness is the first way.
And the left predates on mental illness.
They find you for one of your, they'll pick one of your mental health vulnerability points and then sucker you in to greater degrees of paranoia.
And then the second one is through people who I call ethnically leftist, where in the Middle East, you'll have, if you're born in Egypt, you're going to be Sunni.
If you're born in Persia, you're going to be Shia.
And then if you're born in Boston, even if you're dispositionally conservative, if you have more masculine character traits, you're like more responsible, you can still be a leftist because if you're born into Boston, it's just you will never hear a conservative argument.
And so these are the two demographics of young white men I think the left can hold on to.
And on top of the people who are ethnically leftist, what happens if you work at like a major hospital in Washington, D.C. and all of your co-workers are left-wing?
It's just a lot easier to be left-wing where we've hit a threshold where the right and left are different societies and different civilizations that work under their own rules.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Absolutely.
Yeah.
It's very petrifying.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
I have one.
I'm not going to put you on the spot and make you give a prediction, but maybe a projection through the next six months of what to look out for.
I think that gives a lot of breathing room of just what should we be looking out for?
What would be some bad indicators or what would be some good indicators?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
So let me make up something good.
It's so there's the thing is there's several variables that should happen at some point.
And I don't know when they should.
China's angling after Taiwan.
There's the American politics, I think there's a natural flashpoint over immigration.
I've said several different things.
That's my current bet for most thing most likely to cause a civil conflict.
Another issue I have looking at is I don't know how the average American is going to keep paying their bills because the economy just keeps getting worse.
And there has to be a threshold where cost of living goes up.
People can't get jobs where you just hit a tipping point.
And I don't know what's going to happen when there's so many variables like aging or the economy or, I don't know, like the recession that just keep going on longer than his system can sort of hold out, if that makes sense.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, totally.
Dude, yeah, this is going to be a wild, just through the end of the year, this is going to be a wild, wild time.
Yeah, there's a.
I don't know what off-ramps are left, but let's take one, ASAP.
Where can people find you if they want more?
They're going to want more, but where?
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
You're very kind.
Go to What If Alt Hist on YouTube or my second channel, History102.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Good stuff.
Well, thank you, Rudyard, so much, dude.
Take care.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
It's a pleasure.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Until next time.
rudyard lynch ▲ ● ▼
Bye.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼
Bye.
All right.
That was Rudyard Lynch from What A Faultist.
Legend, dude.
I mean, like, I think every Zoomer, any Zoomer that's like politically adjacent has seen his work at some point.
He's just, yeah, he's a Titan for Zoomers.
That was great.
Terrifying.
He didn't tamper any fears, really.
He just explained why those fears are valid.
And it's true.
We have to confront this.
I mean, we have to acknowledge the reality that there's a sizable chunk of the country that wants to kill white Christian conservatives purely for being white Christian conservatives.
There's nothing more to it.
And that is an absolutely horroring reality.
And the Trump administration, that's the off-ramp is them cracking down.
We discussed this at length on Timcast IRL.
Just hit fill up if you want him to explain it to you.
He's really good at that sort of stuff.
So with that, I want to thank you guys for watching.
I want to thank you guys.
It's been two weeks with the, obviously, with the tragedy with Charlie Kirk.
We needed to change up the week schedule.
But yeah, typically I will be taking over for Thursdays for the morning show.
So you guys are stuck with me on Thursdays if you want your Timcast news.
But it is what it is.
I appreciate you guys watching if you're still around.
We'll be back tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.
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