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Trump Seizes Control of DC Police, Deploys National Guard As Crime Skyrockets

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump has done it.
		In an announcement earlier this morning, Trump has announced he will take control of the DC police and deploy the National Guard, invoking the Home Rule Act.
		This is what is being described as the federalization of DC.
		Now, the important thing to understand is that DC is already the federal government, but they did this law.
		I think it was in the 70s, but they basically said, you live in DC, you're going to have your own government, you're going to vote for a mayor, you're going to, the police will.
		be under civilian control in that context.
		I think this was a mistake.
		The federal jurisdiction of DC was meant to create a space where government workers would be free from state influence.
		Instead, it's turned into a microstate.
		And because of this large population, you now have demands for statehood, which defies the purpose of Washington, DC.
		Trump says over the weekend, the homeless got to go, the criminals can stay because you will stay in jail, but enough is enough.
		Now Democrats have responded to this by saying Trump is lying.
		Crime is at a thirty year low.
		Well, I got news for you.
		We are we live in the DC Metro effectively and the metropolitan area.
		It takes about an hour and a half to drive into DC, depending on which part of DC.
		I guess if you want to cross the river, it might take a little longer, but sure, about an hour and a half away.
		So we're not the closest, but we go to DC frequently and we were there over the past several weekends doing live shows.
		There are homeless tents everywhere, not just near construction sites, not under bridges, no quite literally in the middle of the city, not far from the venue where we were doing our show at DC Comedy Loft shout out.
		It was awesome.
		There are tents just in the middle of the intersect.
		Like there, there are intersectstions that have roundabouts or I don't know, bridges, I guess the one road goes under, one road goes over.
		So it's actually, it's interesting how they do it.
		There's just homeless tents lining the sidewalk in the middle of town.
		Other parts of the city, you see the exact same thing going to a coffee shop, homeless camps everywhere.
		This isn't just happening in DC, it's happening all over the place.
		But Donald Trump says enough.
		It's time to clean this city up.
		And you know what?
		I am here for it.
		So before we get started, my friends, I want to give a shout out to Steven Crowder and the Mug Club.
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	Let's go.
	Live updates.
	Trump to deploy National Guard and Federalized DC Police in crime fighting effort.
	Let me play the clip for you, my friends.
	Let's roll.
donald j trump ▲ ● ▼		And we're here for a very serious purpose, a very serious purpose.
		Something's out of control, but we're going to put it in control very quickly, like we did on the southern border.
		I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam, and squalor, and worse.
		This is Liberation Day in DC, and we're going to take our capital back.
		We're taking it back under the authorities vested in me as the President of the United States.
		I'm officially invoking Section 740 of the District of Columbia Home Rule Act.
		You know what that is?
		And placing the DC Metropolitan Police Department under direct federal control and you'll be meeting the people that will be directly involved with that.
		Very good people, but they're tough and they know what's happening and they've done it before.
		In addition, I'm deploying the National Guard to help re-establish law, order, and public safety in Washington, D.C., and they're going to be allowed to do their job properly.
		And you people are victims of it too.
		You know, you're reporters and I understand A lot of you tend to be on the liberal side, but you don't want to get mugged and raped and shot and killed.
		And you all know people and friends of yours that happened.
		And so you can be anything you want, but you want to have safety in the streets.
		You want to be able to leave your apartment or your house where you live and feel safe and go into a store to buy a newspaper or buy something.
		And you don't have that now.
		The murder rate in Washington today is higher than that of Bogota, Colombia, Mexico City, some of the places that you hear about as being the the worst places on earth much higher this is much higher the number of car thefts has doubled over the past five years and the number of car jackings has more than tripled murders in 2023 reached the highest rate probably ever they say 25 years but
		they don't know what that means because it just goes back 25 years can't be worse Our capital city has been overtaken by violent gangs and bloodthirsty criminals, roving mobs of wild youth, drugged out maniacs and homeless people.
		And we're not going to let it happen anymore.
		We're not going to take it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm here for it.
		I agree with it.
		Like I said, we we go to DC almost, uh, fairly often, a couple times a week probably because we're it's the city, you know what I mean?
		Uh, there's smaller towns in the surrounding area.
		There's, you know, Bethesda, which is basically part of the metro, and there's Frederick.
		We go to the big city, we go to DC.
		That's that's the big metro in our area.
		And yeah, there's crime.
		You can see it.
		What's fascinating is there's a place called National Harbor where they put up this MGM Casino, which is one of the highest grossing, if not the highest grossing casino in the country.
		Let me tell you guys, I know you don't ignore the casino thing thing.
		This is supposed to be a nice area in Maryland just south of DC.
		And every other week, there's a stabbing and a robbery, some kind of theft.
		People are scared to park their cars there, and it's supposed to be a nice area.
		So what the heck is going on?
		I don't see why there's a problem with this.
		Some people are saying police state take it.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you've got homeless camps everywhere.
		The National Guard are going to come out and they're going to make sure that there's no violent crime and rampant crime.
		They're not going to be shaking anybody down.
		The police already exist.
		Just because Trump is in command doesn't mean it's a police state takeover.
		This is literally Trump just saying, we will have command of the police.
		The police already exist.
		He's going to tell them to stop crime.
		Crime is happening.
		I see this as an overall win.
		We'll see how it plays out.
		We'll see what the end result is going to be.
		But I'm hoping that our capital gets cleaned up.
		Now some have made the argument that we should actually cede back the territories taken from Maryland so that DC actually is only a couple blocks.
		I agree with that as well.
		The argument is the federal government should have jurisdiction over the buildings of the federal government and be free from state control.
		The reason DC was created was because at the founding of this nation, they were trying to figure out where to put the capital.
		The concern was any state that the capital would be in would be under undue pressure from that state to give preferential treatment to that state's whims.
		So they said, let's carve off a piece of Maryland and we'll make this special jurisdiction just for the federal government.
		You know what?
		Nobody was supposed to live there.
		It was not supposed to be a place that people lived and operated like a city.
		And now you've got people in DC arguing they should get senators or members of Congress.
		I say no.
		It's a federal jurisdiction that's not supposed to have residents.
		It's supposed to be an isolated district for government operation.
		But it's too big.
		It's too big.
		Now the interesting thing is that Donald Trump has said crime is at a it's high.
		Crime's very high.
		It is.
		Democrats are lying.
		I want to show you the statement Trump made real quick before we get into the response from the liberals because this was from just the other day.
		Trump tells homeless they're being booted from DC immediately as part of his crime crackdown.
		We want our capital back indeed.
		He said, let's pull this one up.
		Here we go.
		Let's see if we can zoom in on this bad boy.
		We're having a news conference tomorrow in the White House.
		I'm going to make our capital safer and more beautiful than it ever was before.
		The homeless have to move out immediately.
		We will give you places to stay but far from the capital.
		The criminals, you don't have to move out.
		We're going to put you in jail where you belong.
		It's all going to happen very fast, just like the border.
		We went from millions pouring in to zero in the last few months.
		This will be easier, be prepared.
		There will be no mister Nice Guy.
		We want our capital back.
		Thank you for your attention to this matter.
		Take a look at these images he's posted.
		This is not even the worst of it.
		I'm actually offended that Trump did not actually show the reality of what was going on on the ground.
		They're showing tents in the grass.
		Okay, that's a problem.
		And what they're not showing you is there are tents on the sidewalk next to businesses and buildings.
		You walk past them.
		It's insane.
		Now we did this show the other day, the Culture War Live, and I said, I don't care what your solution is, be it liberal or conservative, whatever it might be, why isn't the DC government helping or removing these people?
		Pick one.
		Say, get em out, you can't sleep on the streets like this in tents.
		Or say, We're going to find a place for you to live.
		You shouldn't be sleeping on the street in tents.
		They do nothing.
	Well, this is not how our city should be.
	Shanty town tent cities.
	So Trump said it.
	We will give you places to stay just far away, not here.
	I respect it.
	That's a middle-of-road approach.
	Now everyone's favorite failed politician, Hillary Clinton's, chimed in.
	She says, As you listen to an unhinged Trump try to justify deploying the National Guard to DC, here's the reality.
	Violent crime in DC is at a 30-year low.
	Really?
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Looks like Hillary's got your number, Donald Trump.
		You thought you could pull a fast one on us.
		That's right.
		The DOJ on january 3rd under President Joe Biden issued this statement.
		Total violent crime for twenty four in the District of Columbia is down 35 percent from 2023 and it's the lowest it's been in over thirty years according to data collected by the Metro Police Department announced by the US attorney Matthew M. Graves.
		The breakdown of the data is available here.
		In addition to the overall violent crime reduction, homicides are down 32, robberies are down 39, armed car jackings are down 53, assaults with dangerous weapons down 27 compared to 2023.
		For the District reporting, the fewest assaults with dangerous weapons and burglaries over thirty years.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow, Trump is cooked.
		Can you believe that Donald Trump would actually deploy the National Guard and federalize the police when crime is at a thirty oh wait, what's this?
		From NBC Washington, DC police commander suspended accused of changing crime stats?
		Well, hold on, this is from three weeks ago.
		Wait a minute, when did Hillary Clinton tweet this?
		Hillary Clinton tweeted this today at ten thirty AM.
		Retweeting this from january third.
		Violent crime hitting a thirty year low.
		But hold on.
		Didn't couldn't Hillary have known about this story from three weeks ago that a police commander in DC was flubbing the numbers and lowering the crime stats to make it look good?
		Hillary?
		Lying?
		I can't believe it.
		Okay, you get it.
		I'll drop the bit.
		Of course Hillary was lying.
		Of course.
		We witness the crime.
		We see the news reports.
		We can see the tent cities.
		And you're the gall to tell me that it's down?
		You want to know what gets real scary?
		Cell phone phenomena that I've talked about quite a bit.
		Murders dropped dramatically after two thousand eight.
		Indeed, how could that be though?
		What changed?
		Some people said, We're a more evolved people.
		We're not murdering each other anymore.
		No, it's just that after the advent of the ubiquitous cell phone, if you got stabbed, you could call nine hundred eleven.
		That's it.
		In the mid two thousand, as cell phones started to become ubiquitous, murder started to drop.
		People were still attempting the murders.
		People were still committing violent assaults.
		But back in the day, let's say nineteen ninety, if you got stabbed in the middle of the street by some mugger who took your wallet, someone's going to run and find a phone.
		That was it.
		Someone say, stay right here.
		I'll try and find a phone.
		When I was 16, I was standing on the corner of 63rd and narragansett in chicago and i watched an old lady flip on her back and start convulsing and i admit i froze i looked around i didn't know what to do and then after about five seconds i ran into the bank and yelled call 911.
		And it's kind of a wild experience.
		If I had a cell phone, I'd have just flipped it over and dialed 911.
		I looked it over and down nine hundred and eleven myself and say there's a lady having a seizure.
		She's an old lady.
		Hope she was alright.
		People rushed to her aid.
		But back then, all I could do was run into a building and say, get the phone.
		Murder has gone down because now when that happens, you can just call on the phone.
		Understanding that technology has reduced the crime rate as it pertains to murder.
		It's an interesting thought.
		Humans are no less violent.
		We've just eliminated murder by saving more lives.
		It's great, right?
		Considering that, when you see that crime is actually up in DC, it's actually worrying.
		Because the people there are becoming more violent.
		Take a look at the story from NBC Washington.
		A DC police commander is under investigation for allegedly making changes to crime stats in his district.
		The Metropolitan Police Department confirmed Michael Poliam was placed on paid administrative leave in mid May.
		This happened just a week after Poliam filed an equal employment opportunity complaint against an assistant chief in the police union accused the department of deliberately falsifying crime data according to three law enforcement sources familiar with the complaint.
		The union claims police supervisors in the department manipulate crime data to make it appear violent crime has fallen considerably compared to last year.
		Whoa.
		Poliam, the former commander of the third district that patrols Adams and Morgan and Columbia Heights, was placed on leave with pay and told he was under investigation for questionable changes to crime data.
		Five law enforcement sources familiar told News four.
		That came about a week after he filed a complaint against Executive Assistant Chief of Police Andre Wright, according to three law enforcement sources familiar with the complaint.
		News four reached out to Poliam for comment.
		He denied the allegations against him and referred us to the public information officer.
	Union officials said there is a larger trend of manipulating crime states.
	Now I know who did what.
	Who's accusing who of doing what?
	It sounds convoluted.
	A commander, the union, the union's saying the commander, the high ups are manipulating data to make it look like crime has fallen considerably compared to last year, just like that statement.
	Hillary Clinton knows this, that there's an ongoing claim and investigation.
	This is weird, dirty politics.
	Who do you trust?
	Democrats are going to trust, they're going to say when Biden was in, crime was down.
	Trump is lying and claiming crime is up so he can justify federalization.
	I don't believe it.
	I can only tell you the stories, man, the things I've heard about what goes on in DC, with the crime, with the homelessness, Trump does not need an excuse.
	Trump need only look around.
	The Democrats do need an excuse.
	It's not just in DC.
	Take a look at this from the New York Post.
	Starbucks shuts down another San Fran Cafe, closing more than a dozen locations in the city over the past two years.
	Crime is going up everywhere, and they're telling us it's going down.
	I don't believe it.
	I saw this post.
	One of my lib friends posted it.
	They said, Imagine thinking that all the journalists and all the politicians and all the police are lying to you and it's Trump, the bankrupt con man who's telling you the truth.
	And I'm like, I don't need to believe that Donald Trump is telling me the truth on everything.
	I honestly don't care.
	I can see it with my own eyes.
	It is strange to me that we watch Walgreens, Target, Starbucks, shutting down their stores, CVS, and they're saying because of the crime.
	How many videos have you seen of a supermarket where everything's locked behind a wall?
	There was one video that went viral where the aisles in the store were just vinyl.
	It was a vinyl print and the items were printed on a sheet and you'd walk up to it, take a picture of it, go up and ask for the item.
	In Chicago, I think it's Walgreens.
	You walk in the store, there's no products anywhere.
	There's kiosks.
	And you type in the kiosk what you want, an employee after you pay will bring it to you because crime has gotten so incredibly bad.
	But these people believe every lie from every politician.
	It is insane.
	Now it's somewhat unrelated, but I want to give this shout out.
	Harry Anton admits Trump has the best political instincts he's ever seen.
	And this had more to do with the Epstein files and stuff like this, but Trump targets these stories and these issues that regular people deeply care about.
	He knows what he is talking about.
	And now Trump has also announced he wants to end no cash bail across the country.
	He says, We're going to change no cash bail.
	We're going to change the statute and get rid of some of the other things.
	I think they might have a clip here.
	Let's see if they have the clip on the article.
	I disagree with this.
	I think cash bail is unconstitutional.
	And I think Trump is wrong on the issue, but I understand why he's doing it.
	And that's why I pointed out his instincts are on point.
	But the reason why I think he's wrong is that you've got a system in place that was supposed to be a judge would determine whether you were a threat to your community.
	And you'd get a bond hearing, you'd bail hearing.
	The problem with cash bail now is it's impossible to have functional hearings because there's too much going through this.
	The argument that we would defer to punishment is a problem.
	There are many people that will be accused of a crime and innocent of that crime.
	It happens.
	This is why we have a court system.
	They won't be able to go before a judge in a timely manner, so they might be three, four, five days in jail before they can even get a bond hearing.
	Then the judge will say five hundred or five thousand dollars.
	Depending on the state you're in, some do a ten percent requirement where they say five thousand, you only got to pay five hundred.
	Some states have bail bondsmen, but you might be like, I can't afford it out of the money.
	And you're innocent.
	You miss work, your apartment starts falling apart, you can't pay your rent.
	This is bad for our civilization.
	Now, I'm not saying I'm going to go extreme on the issue of never having cash bail.
	I'm saying we need reform in the bond system to make sure we figure this out.
	Hey, if you've been arrested three times, even if you're found not guilty each time, yeah, you're not going to get your bond back.
	You keep getting arrested for some reason.
	But if it's a first offense or something like this, we need to figure this out better.
	I think it's probably better just to say, we'll put you on monitor.
	Like we'll give you an ankle monitor or something.
	And then if you violate it, you go to jail.
	Like you get a freebie or something.
	But the reason why Trump is pushing this is because people are sick of the violent crime.
	I'll tell you though, you don't want to live in a system where the police defer to punishment and the process is the punishment.
	Now we got this funny clip.
	Defiant Ells pulled this from Bill Maher.
	George Will and Zoran Mamdani saying he wants him to win.
	Oh yeah, because then people will really learn their lesson.
	Check this out.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		This must be horrible for a guy like you who you spent your whole life talking about how government tries to do too much, which it does and spends too much.
		And here you have Trump, who is the Republican, who is He's grandising more power than anyone, as we just talked about.
		And on the other side, you have the guy running in New York, Mandami, right?
		Okay, who's like a straight up communist.
		I mean, he is.
		He talks about, you know, the things that communists say.
		I mean, he wants free grocery stores.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't want free grocery stores.
		I'm not trying to defend the guy.
		He wants government run grocery stores at cost.
		I mean, you're still expected to pay for things, but good luck having any kind of market system when everyone's competing with a system that has free money from you under gunpoint.
george will ▲ ● ▼		I want him to win.
bill maher ▲ ● ▼		You want him to win?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
george will ▲ ● ▼		I think every twenty years or so we need a every twenty years or so we need a conspicuous, confined experiment with socialism so we can crack it up again.
		socialist slogan used to be, Workers of the World unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains.
		The new socialist slogan is, Trust us, this time it won't be a mess.
		So when the postwar Labour government in Britain was about to get started, one of their leading lights was a socialist named Minorian Bevan.
		He said, what could go wrong?
		He said, we have a nation bedded on coal surrounded by fish.
		It would take an organizational genius to have a shortage of either.
		In three years, they had a shortage of both.
		That's socialism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So let me tell you, my friends.
		He says he wants Zoran Mamdani to win.
		I know.
		Ignorant as I, naive as I. I said something similar in the past, but I've come around.
		Why?
		Well, not so much on this issue particularly.
		I was saying like, maybe we need socialists actually work, you know, win in New York so that they finally vote against it.
		And then I kind of realized they did it in Chicago and it failed.
		Oh, they did it in Portland?
		They did it in Seattle?
		Come on, it's not just those cities either.
		Socialists have been winning in many liberal jurisdictions in Minneapolis, and what you end up with is an epidemic of socialism.
		He says every twenty or so years they should win so we can crack it up again.
		Zoman Mandani is going to win, but nobody learned their lesson and nobody cracked it up.
		Despite the fact that Brandon Johnson in Chicago's approval rating is around like, what is it between like, depending on the poll, could be high tens, no joke, to maybe thirty percent.
		The city is run like crap.
		Everyone's unhappy.
		Everyone blames the mayor.
		That's what you get.
		Did anybody learn their lesson?
		Did New York learn their lesson?
		Nope.
		Did the media learn their lesson?
		Nope.
		So who's going to crack it up again?
		What is Trump going to come and federalize the socialist cities?
		Maybe.
		You know, they need it.
		I mean, San Francisco, like I already pointed out, shut down a dozen Starbucks because crime is rampant and people are disgusting.
		Unfortunately now, the reality is this Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians, post liberals, whatever, need to start recognizing winning matters.
		And to sit back and say, I'm going to let the bad guys win because then people are going to realize why they're bad.
		There was an argument made by, I mean, who was it?
		Was it Rumsfeld?
		I can't remember.
		Project for a new American century.
		You guys remember this one?
		PNAC, they called it, put out a report.
		I think it was in two thousand.
		It might have been early two thousand one.
		arguing that Americans needed a new Pearl Harbor type event to rally the country together.
		I think that it wasn't Rumsfeld who wrote that, but I think it was Rumsfeld who said this.
		I could be wrong.
		I can't remember who was who said this that every so often was it McCain?
		Every so often he argued we needed this was a speech he gave terror attacks so the American people could truly understand what they were being protected from.
unidentified		And that's insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a point to be made there.
		Good times make weak men.
		You know, the argument is that feminism there's a man who built a fence around his home to protect his wife and children from wolves.
		One day the wolf whispers to the woman, your man is oppressing you and keeping you trapped in this cage.
		So she tears the fences down and the wolf eats her.
		That's the parable or whatever.
		It's a modern one.
		The argument is that she doesn't know the threats she faces anymore because she's been coddled and protected for so long, she no longer knows of the threat that exists beyond the fences.
		And that's what people are arguing now about socialism and what's happening to these cities, but my friends, we can already see it in all of these cities.
		The Wolves are eating us alive and no one is doing anything to stop it.
		Say Trump.
		So the question then is, what do we do?
		Trump is taking command of DC where his authority lies.
		He can.
		But what about these other cities?
		That we don't know.
		I'm going to wrap it up there, my friends.
		We're going to be joined by, I think we've got Josh Hammer joining us.
		Let me make sure we've got everyone set.
		Okay, looks like we are good to go.
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		editor at large for Newsweek and the Article 3 project.
		So we're going to talk to him not just about what's going on with the crime in DC, but also Oberge fell and the overturning of gay marriage that is coming.
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		For everybody else, we'll kick it off with this story.
		leading the narrative on this this argument that Trump is deploying or I should say this leading the story let's start again a DC police commander has been suspended and accused of changing crime stats.
		The union says leadership in DC are flubbing the numbers to make it look like crime is going down.
		Despite the fact we experience this crime search all across the country in these major cities, they're all claiming crime is going down.
		Donald Trump has federalized DC, or I should say the police, and deployed the National Guard.
		On top of this, as an aside, we'll be getting into the Obergefell issue.
		But the question is, why are we getting these reports that crime is down when it feels like crime is up?
		I'll be joined by Josh Hammer of Newsweek and the Article III Project.
		Let's bring him in and discuss all of this.
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josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Hey, I got you, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, how's it going?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Going great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
		I'm going, it's going pretty well over here.
		We've got big news today, a couple huge stories.
		The first that I want to really get into is Trump's announcement that he's sending in the National Guard.
		He's going to take federal control of the police.
		We've got this crazy story that a DC police commander was flubbing the numbers to make it look like crime was going down.
		First, I'll just, you know, your thoughts and opinions.
		Is this the right move?
		Other than that, what's what's going on in DC?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so look, a lot to unpack here.
		I happen to think that this is a brilliant move.
		I am a I am a big, huge opponent, frankly, of this move.
		I I I lived in DC myself for a few years like many in, you know, in in our circles have and the crime is out of control.
		I mean, DC is really one of the only major cities in America.
		I mean, I'll put you this way.
		I mean, is there any reason why just a few blocks from the White House there should be shots fired in broad daylight?
		I mean, these are kind of things that happen there in the nation's capital.
		I mean, when President Trump says that our beautiful capital with the Lincoln Memorial, the Washington Monument, I mean, this should be a place for tourists not only to flock from around the world, which they already do, but where they feel safe on a day-to-day basis.
		So it's good stuff on the policy.
		It's also a brilliant opportunity, I think, for the Trump administration and for the political right more generally to disprove all sorts of fallacies that have emerged from the past 20 to 30 years from the left when it comes to criminal justice policing.
		The left has been going on and on ever since the Rudy Giuliani era in New York City, Rudy Giuliani broken windows policing largely continued to an extent, at least by Mayor Bloomberg.
		Ever since then.
		Certainly when I was in law school from 2013, 2016, starting around then and really escalating during the Obama years, the left has just done a total 180 against police, against criminal justice.
		They say that less police means more safety.
		This is just an amazing opportunity, I think, for just a real live experiment, a real-time experiment.
		Let's actually make sure that the feds are going to sick the DC police in these areas where they are typically reluctant and hesitant to patrol there.
		And it's a great opportunity for the right, I think, to prove two to three decades worth of left-wing fallacies and erroneous logic when it comes to proactive policing.
		The politics, I think, are also a total no brainer.
		It's not just sound policy.
		The politics are also great there.
		Crime is across the board, one of the issues where a plurality of Americans cite as one of the most salient issues facing the Republic.
		It was one of the major issues in the 2024 election, frankly, along with immigration, the economy, inflation.
		Everyone cares about crime.
		Suburban moms there, we talk about them as a key swing demographic.
		Everyone cares about crime there.
		And just putting on my legal cap for a second, Tim, this is also directly in line with the constitutional vision.
		DC didn't really get any kind of meaningful home rule until a 1973 law passed by Congress called the DC Home Rule Act, which really for the first time created the modern DC Mayor's Office, this council.
		To this day, it's kind of a mixed bag actually.
		Congress actually selects the municipal judges there in Washington, DC, but moves towards greater federalization of DC is actually directly in line with the federal vision.
		The left has long pushed for DC statehood and for DC voting in Washington and so forth there.
		That's certainly not what the founders thought there.
		So from both a legal perspective, a political perspective, and above all just a quality of life public policy perspective.
		I think it's a win, win, win across the board, frankly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you live there now by chance or I don't know if I live in Florida right now.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're in West Virginia, of course, but people, a lot of people don't know this.
		The Eastern Panhandle, we're like an hour and a half from DC.
		So all of our big city, like the shows we do, anytime we do an event, we're going to be in the DC Metro or in DC itself.
		It's insane.
		It is not an understatement.
		It's crazy to me to hear Democrats claiming crime is going down when literally everybody witnesses it.
		I was just in DC the past three weekends we were doing live shows and having about a conversation between two government, one guy who was a government contractor and one woman who actually worked for the DOD.
		And guess what?
		The first thing the guy, well, the first thing they ask is like, oh, so you're from around here, right?
		Okay.
		First question after that is, do you feel safe?
		And I started laughing because everyone knows what's true.
		There are shots fired near the White House, not to mention the riding and the chaos.
		But this, this story about this commander flabbing the numbers is crazy.
		So I'm curious your thoughts on this.
		It always turns out that there's some I hate to do it, but Democrats involved in some kind of surreptitious or nefarious political play where they're manipulating the numbers, lying about the narrative and trying to trick people.
		So the questions I have on this is, do you believe like, so there are allegations right now, but the police union has said that the higher ups are flubbing these numbers.
		Do you believe the numbers are being flubbed?
		And if they are, why are they actually doing it?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		So look, look, I haven't done a personal deep dive.
		I have no personal sources within the D.C. police there that would give me kind of credence one way or the other.
		But what I can say is that it strikes me as an as entirely plausible.
		And what I can also say, Tim, is that I have heard anecdotally.
		I haven't spoken with this person, but through through secondhand, I know of a source in Mayor Bowser's office and Mayor Muriel Bowser, you know, not exactly a right winger to put a mildly there.
		But apparently even she has at times expressed more of an openness to try to ramp up police enforcement.
		They're trying to crack down and carjackings.
		And what I've heard is that she gets pulled.
		pushback from from a lot of black leaders you know basically the Al Sharpton types there you know the folks who are trying to for XYZ reasons trying to protect gangsters and carjackers and gangbangers there.
		And your mileage may vary as to why you think they would want to do such a thing there, but there are some political, self-serving, cynical interests there when it comes to trying to kind of, you know, get your turf and secure your political territory there.
		DC is a very corrupt city historically there.
		I mean, there's very little about that there.
		I mean, it kind of shares a lot of resemblance with Chicago and New Orleans in certain respects there.
		So I would not be the least bit surprised if there was outright flooding on the numbers there.
		But a lot of this, I mean, let's just kind of zoom out a little bit and contextualize within this kind of post-2020, post-George Floyd, Black Lives Matter, cultural milieu that we're currently living in.
		These days, Tim, if you just recite basic statistics, if you say that black people in America, I'm totally making up numbers, by the way, but if you say that they're responsible for 50% of homicides or whatever the actual number may be there, you are immediately called a racist for simply citing statistics there.
		So I have no doubt about it.
		that in a city like Washington, D.C., which is a very, very black city, that it's going to be very powerful, you know, you know, black politicians who are going to try to do things like this, you know, along the lines what you're suggesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a, that's a good point.
		I actually like, I'll pull that.
		I want to get the raw number on that.
		Over the past decade, what we saw was there were several people who posted FBI crime stats and were banned on Twitter or Facebook or YouTube because it was racist to do so.
		When you see that happen in the private sector with these pressures, what do you think the higher up of the police department are going to be doing as well?
		They don't they don't want to be the one who comes out and issues a statement saying, oh, here by the way, here's the racial breakdown of crime in my city.
		They're going to get called racist.
		The BLM is going to riot.
		They're going to say the police are lying and they're going to say it's all race based.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy, right?
		I mean, it really says a lot about where we're at as a society where it's like literally just saying statistics, you know, it somehow gives you a presumption that you're coming from from a racially nefarious perspective there it's it's it's it's absolutely nuts there and and no one wants to say it because of the fear of being called racist i mean this is one of the great fears in in american society over the past really four to five decades and i guess i guess since the 1960s right i mean ever since the civil rights era americans have just been utterly petrified at being called racist but
		when that takes the form of being afraid to to actually name statistics of actually saying you know what no actually a city like washington dc that has a larger minority population we actually really do need proactive policing there you know going back, NYPD police in there to actually say, you know what?
		No, we actually need more NYPD squad patrol cars in certain areas in the Bronx and Queens and whatnot there that have a demographic makeup that is disproportionately prone to crime.
		We have to have these conversations.
		I mean, what is the point of even having a police in the first place there if you're not willing to have these conversations?
		Now, again, what I've heard kind of second hand is that Mayor Bowser in DC, who again is a is a lefty, but even she, I think, is getting sufficient pushback on the crime stuff that she's expressed a willingness there and she herself has gotten pushback from various other folks.
		So it's just a total mess there.
		And again, I think Don Trump's doing the doing totally frankly the right thing.
		Their policy, politically and legally, it's a no-brainer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I actually just pulled the data and anyone who gets offended can blame it on ChatGPT because maybe it's wrong.
		But it says that white people commit around 60% of violent crime as per the FBI and black people about 38%, Asians about 1-2, American Indians about 1-2, and native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander is between 0 and 1.
		The argument, of course, that people make is that 38% of crime coming from a smaller portion of the population around 13% is disproportionate.
		Now, some people want to that is the data., okay?
		I'm not saying that people are good, bad or otherwise based on their race, not saying that at all.
		But if you even brought these issues up, you were getting banned.
		So again, DC police, Chicago police, all of these Democrat-run cities are trying to claim that crime isn't as bad as it is.
		Hillary Clinton even tweeted this out, crime's at a 30-year low in DC, Trump's unhinged and lying.
		And then Trump says the opposite, but now we've got the story of, you know, the police union saying they're actually flubbing the numbers.
		I think it makes sense.
		If you're in this politically appointed position, you know that if you're going to go to the mayor and say we're getting disproportionate crime from the black community.
		She's going to get pushback from the people you mentioned, like Sharp did and his other BLM activists.
		So she's going to say, give me better numbers.
		It's all political.
		So the one thing is really obvious.
		I mean, Trump sending in law enforcement and taking command of law enforcement, I think is a good idea, but do you have any concerns?
		I remember when they erected those fences around the Capitol building and it was considered dystopian because it's supposed to be public.
		There are some that are expressing concerns that yes, there may be violent crime, but Trump sending in the National Guard, federal law enforcement taking over the police is pushing us towards a police state.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		I I personally do not share those concerns.
		I'm sure that some more libertarian minded folks have some legitimate concerns on those grounds there.
		I am more of a law and order kind of guy, Tim.
		I mean, that's just kind of been my MO really, ever since I first started in law school when I was clerking for a federal judge on the Fifth Circuit.
		I mean, I I'm a law and order guy.
		From my vantage point, if you don't actually have public safety, if you don't have people who actually feel safe walking the sidewalks, I mean, what is the point of having these beautiful memorials?
		What is the point of having the Smithsonian, the Washington Monuments, if you're going to be scared to actually go there with your family, with your young children in the first place there?
		Again, this is the nation's capital.
		I mean, I remember the first time I went to Washington as a kid.
		I grew up in the New York area originally there and I was so excited.
		I had read all about this in elementary school and middle school and just to go there and see the sights, you know, I was eyes wide open there.
		I was just so, so happy to see it there.
		And the notion now that I'm a new father, we had our first child last December, the notion that I could one day take our daughter to see all this there after I do my best as a father to try and instill in her a love for America and civics and government.
		The notion that I would be scared or reluctant to do so because God forbid there could be a gangbanger, a carjacker, shots fired on a random street there.
		I mean, that's utterly terrifying.
		So to me, you kind of, you know, there's a, there's somewhat of an inversion here of the order of operations that we have to have law and order first in order to appreciate these monuments in the first place there.
		And I think that what Donald Trump is saying probably correctly is that we don't currently have that there.
		Let's establish that.
		And that's kind of bringing everyone to enjoy all that Washington, DC has to offer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, we, I, the crazy thing is I do a lot of events in DC because we live here.
		And the first thing we're doing when we're doing logistics is who's what, how much security do I have to bring with me?
		That when, when I, where I live in West Virginia, I don't have to worry about it.
		Crime is below average here.
		Everybody's strapped.
		And I go about my business immediately, immediately it's like, okay, we're going to have two guards waiting for you when you arrive, when you get out of your car, they'll be there.
		And it's, it's crazy to think that's how we live and it shouldn't be that way.
		But I do want to jump to the next subject on, uh, for the big news of the day and that is the challenge to Obergefell, which I don't know if you saw, but Kim Davis, she's the clerk, I believe, from Kentucky, who was actually jailed for refusing to issue gay marriage licenses after the, the ruling on Obergefell.
		Now, I'll give you my thoughts right away.
		Uh, so Kim Davis, through her lawyer, she's filed a writ of cert to the Supreme Court.
		There's a possibility of a ruling, uh, next year in 2026 that could turn gay marriage.
		At the time the ruling was five to four, upholding this argument under the 14th Amendment that states must recognize gay marriage licenses.
		I think based on the current makeup of the Supreme Court, there is no way that they will uphold Obergefell.
		I believe one year's time it will be overturned, but I'm curious what you think.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Well, Tim, you know, look, cards on the table.
		So I was in law school when Obergefell came down.
		I am a long time opponent of same-sex marriage as a matter of public policy.
		I think that is the incorrect definition of marriage and as far as a legal constitutional matter is concerned as well.
		I genuinely think that Anthony Kenney's majority opinion, Obergefell, is probably the single most ludicrous majority opinion in my entire lifetime.
		That thing is not law.
		It is middle school poetry at best.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can you say anything specifically?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		So, I mean, he writes his opinion.
		It's 20 to 25 pages, maybe 30 most give or take there.
		He doesn't actually even make a straightforward legal argument.
		He makes a vague reference to equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
		He makes a vague reference to the due process clause.
		And then he basically says that if you kind of do a little of this, a little of that there, you know, kind of, you know, it makes sense.
		that marriage has evolved in the understanding of human beings such that this thing is no longer constitutional there.
		But that's that's just not really how constitutional, how constitutional law works.
		I mean, when the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868, I mean, obviously, same-sex marriage wasn't even a figment of anyone's imagination, but actually, you know, private homosexual acts themselves, sodomy, was prescribed virtually everywhere.
		So, you know, the notion that they could have possibly envisioned this, I think is totally preposterous.
		So, you know, so for all those reasons, I would love nothing more than to agree with you that this case actually will be overturned.
		Having said that, I don't think it's going to happen.
		In fact, I don't think it's going to get anywhere close to happening, actually.
		To be honest, to be honest with you.
		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they said something about Roe v Wade though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that that was that was stronger in my opinion.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing.
		So there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a lot to unpack here.
		So you need four votes, four of the nine, in order to, in order to grant a writ of certivary and actually hear a case straight on there.
		So if I'm literally just looking at the justices and trying to count votes, I think you can easily count to four justices who agree as a first principles matter that Obergefell is wrong.
		But most of the justices have a somewhat convoluted process for what they call star decisis, which is how much to rely on legal precedent and when to consider trying to overturn a precedent that even they might concede is flawed.
		It's really only Clarence Thomas to an extent, Neil Gorsuch, but Neil Gorsuch, let's recall, had that Bostok case in 2020, which is a transgender case.
		There's so he's a little wobbly on these issues.
		So it's really only Clarence Thomas who takes a truly, truly, truly principled stance on stereoticisis, where he basically says, if it's wrong, it's wrong period, full stop, end of story.
		And sure enough, in Thomas's concurrence in the Dobbs case, which overturned Rover as his wave, he actually did call for the overturning of Obergefell.
		But he's the only justice on record who has actually directly done that.
		So I think probably at most of them, if I'm just being honest here, you probably have two of the nine justi judges at most, Thomas and Sam Alito, who are the two most conservative, who I think would agree to hear this in the first place.
		I think Neil Gorsuch would probably just prefer to duck this issue.
		Look, Amy Coney Barrett, I have no doubt that she thinks that Obergefell was wrongly decided, but I don't think she wants to get anywhere near this whatsoever.
		John Roberts, who actually, you know, Roberts was the main dissenter in Obergefell, the chief justice, very powerful dissent actually.
		Really, really, really strong stuff from the chief justice a decade ago in Obergefell.
		The thing about Roberts.
		He takes a very, very rigid view of starry decisis there.
		He basically says, if it was decided recently there, I don't want to touch it again.
		That's kind of his MO.
		So I'm just not seeing the votes, to be honest with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're saying they'll deny cert.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It won't even go to the Supreme Court.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		That is my guess.
		Now, if they grant cert, I think it would be limited to a very narrow First Amendment religious freedom question for Kim Davis as to whether she has some sort of dispensation or opt-out.
		I don't think they're going to actually touch the 14th Amendment ruling whatsoever there.
		But if I'm being very honest with you, my somewhat pessimistic guess is they probably don't grant cert in any capacity.
		capacity but if they do i think it would be very limited to the kim davis dispensation question i i again i hope i'm wr really kind of all in on this issue.
		I genuinely disagree with same-sex marriage both as a policy and a constitutional matter.
		So I would love nothing more than to be wrong.
		I just don't see it happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to be a bit more optimistic, but I defer to you.
		I mean, you know more than I do on the patterns and the law and all these things.
		I'm hoping.
		I know I'm probably wrong to even hope because I think the Supreme Court as it's made up right now time and time again has shown us there are only two justices of real courage and reason and that's Alito and Thomas and the rest of them., you know, I think if it, if, if it, I feel like if it comes to the arguments on Obergefell, it wins.
		If they're actually going to go through the idea of marriage licenses, same-sex marriage, how the law should operate, I don't see how this stands.
		I feel like six to three makes the most sense.
		Maybe Amy Coney Barrett, she's squishy and scared inside a liberal sometimes, but it really does feel like on the logic of the law.
		You know, my view largely is this.
		Liberals like to claim whenever you bring up the Supreme Court shouldn't be doing these universal changes to culture and law.
		Like Obergefeld, they say, what about the Civil Rights Act?
		What about when they desegregate and did all these things?
		There was a law.
		Congress passes a law and the Supreme Court can then weigh its constitutionality.
		In this regard, there was no law passed.
		Most states today still have bans on same-sex marriage, but only due to that precedent are allowing it to occur.
		So I, you know, I hear this and you're making me a little pessimistic.
		I am worried because maybe they just dodge the issue like cowards.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		So look, I think you're right that if a question were presented to the justices and they basically.
		said, you know, ignore the fact that this case was decided 10 years ago ignore what lawyers call reliance interests ignore all that just actually rule on the literal 14th amendment question I think you're totally right.
		I think that there are six votes then to just put in a simple statement, Obergefell was wrongly decided as a matter of law.
		I have no doubt about that.
		My point is only that that's just not necessarily, unfortunately in my view, that's not necessarily how these decisions are made.
		Yeah, a lot of the justices, you know, Amy Coney Barrett's a very good example.
		So Barrett clerked for Justice Scalia.
		She's very much a Scalia acolyte.
		Scalia in his in his in his jurisprudence had this well established multipart bouncing test for star decisis, basically.
		when you go in there and when you overturn a flawed precedent and a lot of these lawyers who put a very you know a firm emphasis on precedent and start is is put a high reliance on reliance interest, which basically means if there are people in the here and now that are relying on this ruling there, we're going to be very reluctant to overturn it.
		And I think the number of people here who have same-sex marriage licenses in America in the year 2025, I don't know the exact number, but I think it's maybe like around a million, two million, something like that there.
		I mean, that is a non-negligible reliance interest.
		Now, in my view of start is is, that doesn't matter because if it's mat a matter, if it's wrong as a matter of law, it's wrong to overturn it, period, full stuff, end of story.
		To me, that's the only principled approach to take, frankly.
		But even for a lot of these right-of-center justices, that's just not necessarily the approach they take.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's a problem though in this country that the legislative branch is supposed to be handling these issues.
		And it's come down to a win the presidency and take the Supreme Court and build the structure you want.
		That seems to be what's happening.
		It's funny.
		The Supreme Court overturning Roe v.
		Wade was sound and principled, albeit some may disagree on certain issues.
		Fine.
		The issue with Obergefell is the Democrats and the Liberals in this country could not get the legal power to create same-sex marriage as an institution.
		So they utilized brute force.
		If we do not have a Supreme Court body or a political apparatus on the right that is willing to say you can't do that and they will allow the use of brute force politics, we lose.
		And this country is, I mean, I'll put it this way.
		Many people describe it as Republicans don't fight back.
		Republicans don't use power.
		Conservatives don't use power.
		If every time the left, liberals and democrats use brute force, Republicans just say, well, it's wrong, so we won't.
		The left will win in the end.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		You're speaking my language.
		I've been preaching this for, you know, for 10, 15 years now.
		I mean, I mean, how many times have we seen Republicans, Conservatives fight with one hand tied behind their back?
		I mean, maybe even two hands tied behind their back.
		I mean, this happens time and time and time again.
		One of my pet projects for the past 10, 15 years has been trying to overturn this when it comes specifically to the realm of courts and jurisprudence.
		I have my whole own theory actually on constitutional interpretation.
		I call it common good originalism trying to kind of give a little more heft to conservative judges to feel a little more emboldened to rule in line with principles of natural law and biblical truth and things like that there.
		So I've really kind of thought this through and done the best that I can in my own capacity there.
		But unfortunately, you know, institutional realities kind of kind of just they kind of just are what they are, unfortunately, there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, I'll finish your thought.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to interrupt you.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		No, all I was going to say was the crazy thing is, and you're totally right on this, because they did do it with Dobbs.
		They did do it in overturning Roe versus Wade 49 years after Roe versus Wade there.
		And, you know, going back to Roe versus Wade, you even had a lot of very famously pro-abortion people, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, actually, back when she was an ACLU lawyer, she famously said that Roe versus Wade went too far.
		They didn't allow the democratic process to play out.
		You know, when Obergefell was decided in 2015, it was around 35 states that had some sort of ban on same-sex marriage in their state.
		So very similar.
		It's very similar to Roe versus Wade.
		The court dramatically oversteps there.
		It's a very similar type thing.
unidentified		But, you know, the whole LGBT cause has just achieved such, such cultural relevance and salience in modern American society and modern American culture there that I think a lot of people have been kind of cowed into obedience and submission they're just so afraid to challenge it from either a policy or a legal perspective maybe i mean one point i've been making quite a bit south park comes back with a bang mocking donald trump and liberals came after me because i was upset with
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		how they mocked Trump.
		Now, were they, what, was I upset that Trump was insulted?
		No, the issue is they didn't make fun of Trump right.
		They should have went harder on him over Epstein.
		They could have challenged the issue of tariffs.
		What did they do?
		They said he was gay.
		They said Donald Trump is a homosexual.
		That's why you should laugh at him.
		And I said, well, you know, okay, I guess.
		Well, you know, okay, I guess if the left is now cheering on South Park, I'm going to refrain from saying the word just for the purpose of, you know, reach, I guess, but the slur for homosexuals was used in that show several times as they mocked Trump for being a homosexual and liberals cheered for it.
		So my attitude was if the play that the Democrat and liberal side is making now.
		Because I'm not saying Matt and Trade did this with South Park, but it's that, haha, Trump's gay, make fun of him for it.
		That is one of the biggest cultural victories the right has gotten in decades.
		If now.
		Now South Park is telling liberals to say slurs for gay people and that being gay is funny and to be made fun of.
		Culturally, we may be shifting on this one.
		And because the left in the liberal media apparatus has only existed to say whatever the right does is wrong, make fun of it.
		It created the perfect opportunity now when Matt and Trey come out and call Trump gay.
		The left cheers it on.
		Okay.
		Well, now the culture has shifted.
		Young kids are going to start dropping F-bombs again.
		And I mean the slur for gay people.
		And when Obergefeld does get overturned, it's going to be like, what did you expect?
		Liberals gave abandoned this because, so I actually to to what you were saying, I think you were you were right over the past ten years, the Pride stuff.
		I think it's rapidly collapsing rapidly.
		Bud Light Effect man, Bud Light and Target took such a beating over this.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we may see a big shift.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		No, and there's some polls that strongly support what you're saying actually.
		So I saw some polls, either Gallup or Pew or some major pollster that showed the Republican Republican support for same-sex marriage was 55 percent in 2021 around the time that Biden started in the year 2025 is now down to 41 percent.
		So it's gone down quite a bit.
		You know, if you look at Gen Z church attendance, one of the most church attending religious generations over the past hundred years of American history.
		So there definitely are some serious signs here.
		And look, I think that Obergefell could be decided at some point.
		I'm just looking at the current six right of Sarah Justices.
		I see Sam Alito who has tremendous courage, tremendous conviction.
		I see Clarence Thomas who has tremendous courage, tremendous conviction.
		I see John Roberts who actually nailed this issue properly in 2015, but takes such a rigid view of startup ISIS that I see pretty much no chance.
		And then I see Gorsuch, Baron and Kavanaugh, who my best guest would be they'd rather just not touch this thing with a 20 foot pole.
		So that's kind of just how I see the breakd breakdown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need people who aren't cowards.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why, you know, my argument is I I know that Thomas and Alito probably need to retire very soon because we want to make sure that the replacements are going to be of the same caliber.
		I would say let's just Christians ignore this one time when we start cloning people, but we'll clone Clarence Thomas eight or nine times.
		He can stand on the bench with his eight clones or just have nine fresh clones take over the whole thing.
		He's the best.
		I think he's been absolutely fantastic, but we have no time.
		So Josh, where can people find you?
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I appreciate Tim.
		So I'm on X, Josh underscore hammer, Instagram's Josh be hammer, my show, the Josh Hammer show.
		And then my book that came out in March is called Israel and Civilization, the Fate of the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, man.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		We'll see you next time.
josh hammer ▲ ● ▼		See you next time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That, of course, is Josh Hammer of the Article 3 Project and editor at large for Newsweek.
		Oh, man, he's bumming me out.
		He's bumming me out.
		I'm so excited that, okay, listen, I'm a liberal guy.
		And you know, the one thing I want to add before we, we're going to send you on your way to hang out with Russell.
		I, I don't know.
		I don't, I don't care that much on, on, for gay.
		I don't care for or against gay marriage, right?
		It's like if you're gay and you want to get gay married and have or civil union or whatever.
		Okay, fine, whatever.
		It's whatever you do in your home.
		Don't bring it in the schools.
		The argument the left made was, oh, but what if someone's gay married?
		They need to explain it to their students.
		No, you don't.
		You say, that's a private personal thing.
		It's not in the schools.
		Don't do it.
		But my issue with this is they passed law without the legislative branch.
		It is a violation of the democratic order they claim exists in this country and they purport to want.
		When you say, instead of passing laws and winning votes, we will mandate, I say that is authoritarianism.
		It is evil and must be reversed.
		I wish we had a strong SCOTUS that would do it.
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		I believe we've got Russell Brand getting ready to go live.
		He's not.
		Hey, who do we have coming up?
		Let me see who we got in the old roster here.
		If they don't send me who's live, I don't know who we're supposed to do this raid for.
		I guess nobody.
		Is anybody there?
		What about V?
		I guess nobody.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who's live.
		All right, smash the like button.
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