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July 2, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Trump ACCUSED Of MASS EXECUTING Illegals By DUMPING Them In The Ocean

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	Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is the story.
	Leftists across social media have been sharing videos to millions of views, arguing that Donald Trump has been sending jets full of illegal immigrants over the ocean and dropping them out of the plane.
	In fact, I've got to think, what, five or six different videos, some of them getting a lot of traction on TikTok, where they're connecting several stories.
	They're falsely conflating a story about ICE not going to South Sudan, leaving individuals in Djibouti.
	They're conflating that with the plane never arriving, as if to insinuate that the plane flew over the Mediterranean, dumped a bunch of shackled bodies in the water, then washed up in Maorca in Spain.
	Majorca?
	Is that how you pronounce it?
	So we've got a couple of stories.
	One, they have been finding bodies shackled washing up on shore.
	But this looks more to be related to the sub-Saharan African human trafficking and human trade system that's been going on in Europe for some time.
	Apparently, the story is that these human smugglers and traffickers didn't want, there was some kind of risk related to the people they were smuggling.
	There was a dispute with them, so they dumped them in the ocean, of which there's been reports that 31 bodies have washed up.
	Hey, it's kind of like all of the things we've been talking about with coyotes and human traffickers is true.
	They kill people and they have nothing but disdain for human life.
	Well, because these leftists, these whackaloons, think Donald Trump is literally Hitler, they're claiming that Alligator Alcatraz is a concentration camp being set up.
	They're showing flight logs of various planes going up the ocean and returning and claiming those are the flights where Donald Trump is literally flying shackled people and dumping them in the ocean.
	Now, the funny thing is, none of it makes sense.
	It's clearly not true, but these videos are getting a lot of traction.
	And now there's posts on Reddit popping up where people are actually begging the leftists to stop spreading this psychotic psycho babble.
	Now, my friends, you may be laughing.
	You may be thinking, these people are insane.
	How could they actually believe this?
	Well, they believe a lot of ridiculous and insane things.
	And the issue I see with this is, you guys remember when a dude showed up to a pizza restaurant and fired a rifle into the ground for which there was no basement because he thought there was?
	There is a real threat on the left that doesn't exist on the right.
	While certainly that guy who went to the pizza place, shot the ground, was out of his mind.
	We do not have the same degree of violence among the conservative base in this country that we see on the left.
	So when the left starts to be told and genuinely starts to believe, and these videos are popping up all over the place, that Donald Trump is mass executing illegal immigrants, they're going to believe it.
	They're going to get violent.
	And you know that when it comes to these Antifa protests, they're going to be standing on the street saying, you do know that Donald Trump has been mass executing.
	And then they're going to pull up some postman.
	Look, there it is.
	It's proof.
	With many of these people being older, more susceptible to believing this stuff, they are genuinely going to think Trump is mass executing illegal immigrants, which they will just call migrants.
	They're going to say he's literally Hitler.
	And in one instance, they're already making memes of Trump supporters being Nazis being put on trial for gloating and advocating for people to be thrown out of planes.
	It's a narrative they want because it riles people up, terrifies them, and it will drive a crazy person crazier.
	But let's jump into this.
	Before we do, let me give a shout out to Steven Crowder and the Mug Club.
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	With that being said, let's get into the news.
	We've got this from, believe it or not, not the bee.
	The newest left-wing conspiracy is that Trump is throwing migrants off planes into the ocean.
	For real.
	I just want to stress this because people bring it up all the time.
	They don't know what the word clickbait means.
	So let me explain it to you.
	I see in the chat as we're starting a live show, someone asks if it's clickbait and someone says yes.
	This is not clickbait.
	Clickbait is when you intentionally omit information from a headline, making it so that someone has to click the link to figure out what you're talking about.
	An example of clickbait would be a headline that says something like, this celebrity just got arrested for drugs.
	You'll never guess who.
	And then you're like, well, who is it?
	And so you click it.
	You were baited into it.
	That's what clickbait is.
	Not really that prominent anymore.
	Then there's rage bait.
	Rage bait is when you intentionally make a headline that will piss someone off.
	So they click it to see more.
	Call it whatever you want.
	But when the story and the posts are literally people saying Trump is mass executing migrants by throwing them out of planes, that's neither click nor rage bait.
	I'm literally telling you a thing that people are claiming.
	That's just it.
	And I suppose the issue is when not the bee is covering the story, reality has become so insane, people assume the headlines must be not correct.
	But every single headline I make, we debate these things.
	We sit here and say like, does that word fit or make sense?
	We actually changed the headline yesterday because it was reported the Trump badminton was mass arresting people over this fraud.
	But upon reading the Reuters source, it says many have been arrested, but 324 were charged.
	So we corrected the headline and changed it to charged instead of arrested.
	And people are like, it's clickbait.
	No, calm down.
	Reality is just breaking down, I guess.
	But here's the post from NotTheB.
	Bluenon is not doing well this week.
	You've got this Rin the Witch.
	I'll play this in a second.
	Trump derangement syndrome level 1000.
	Now he's posting these laughing emojis.
	I don't think it's funny.
	I got to be honest.
	I mean, it is funny.
	Don't get me wrong.
	It's a ridiculous thing to believe.
	But what's disconcerting here is these people are going to go insane.
	They're already going insane.
	They will be violent.
	Listen, we've talked about this with Obrego Garcia.
	The media lies.
	And all of these people believe that Kilmar Obrego Garcia is just some dude from Maryland who got roped up in the deportations.
	And I said it before, and I will say it again.
	Hassan Piker, one of the most prominent live streamers in the country, biggest on the left, genuinely did not know that Obrego Garcia was from El Salvador and thought he was from Maryland to the point when he was criticizing me over it.
	He said, who do you mean he's not from Maryland?
	He's from D.C. Like, what are you trying to say?
	And I'm like, bro, he's from El Salvador.
	But they didn't know this because the media was lying.
	Now, I said this.
	If I really believed that Trump sent an American citizen innocent of any wrongdoing to Seacot, I would be also demanding his return.
	But then you find out he's an alleged human trafficker who was a member of MS-13, adjudicated by two different judges, who was deported to his home country.
	And you're like, well, okay, I guess I don't know.
	What El Salvador does with their people is up to them.
	But we saw the fervent reaction from the left.
	Now what happens when they start putting out these videos claiming that Trump is murdering these people?
	And they believe it.
	Don't take my word for it.
	Let's roll tape.
	No, this is not a drill.
	No, this is not fear-mongering.
	They're shackling people, flying out into open ocean and throwing them out.
	Okay.
	The flight patterns, there's people tracking them on this app.
	The flights going out with the deportees, watching them go out to open ocean and circle back.
	A family in Italy saw five shackled bodies wash up on the shore.
	Yes.
	I got that story.
	Seriously, on everything that you stand for, whether it's bullshit, consumerist propaganda or actual leftist good values Or whatever the fuck it is you believe in.
	Leftist good values.
	Things are getting serious.
	I know I'm a small creator, and the likelihood that I am shadow banned is very small, but I'm telling you, I'm fairly certain I am shadow banned because I talk about this stuff.
	If you look at my like-to-view ratios, they're great.
	I have several viral videos.
	Now she's complaining she can't.
	Why?
	I'm so badly.
	No, my shit's not boring.
	No, I'm not boring.
	No, I'm not funny or not okay to look at or whatever the fucking issue is that would cause me to not be getting the likes and follows and views that I should be getting based off of the ratios of the videos that I do put out.
	I'll keep talking about this stuff.
	I'll keep making video.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah.
	We get the point, lady.
	She's like, why aren't more people watching my videos?
	I'm saying insane things.
	That's the derangement we see with so many of these people.
	But wait, there's more.
	We got this guy.
	I'm not going to play his whole video.
	Gen Explorer.
	Here you go.
	I want to be very clear that I have no reason to directly connect these two stories.
	These are two unrelated stories.
	The reason I'm sharing this, however, is because we are living in a time when we cannot afford to be naive.
	Okay, okay.
	So first, the first story he shows says holiday horror as five bodies with shackled hands and feet wash up on beach at tourist hotspot.
	The other story he shared said, let me get the exact.
	It says, migrants put in shackles for Trump deportation flights.
	We are living in a time when we need to pay attention.
	And changes have been made to our government that would cause it to not be doing its job.
	Firing of inspectors general.
	Purging the highest ranks of our military officers.
	I just want to pause real quick.
	This guy's video, where the obvious insinuation right off the bat is that Trump shackles these migrants and then dead bodies with shackles wash up on shore.
	Totally unrelated on other sides of the planet, mind you.
	This guy's got 206,000 likes, nearly 7,000 comments, 35,000 bookmarks, 65,000 shares.
	I don't know if they have the total view count listed on here, but this is from a few days ago.
	Let's play a little bit more.
	Preventing members of Congress from performing their oversight duties.
	So what you have here is you have one story that migrants in the United States have been routinely shackled at the waist, wrists, ankles, and loaded onto cargo planes.
	Not just cargo planes on cargo planes with the rear rear doors that have been opened at flight.
	A completely separate story.
	Five corpses with their hands and feet bound have been found floating in the sea off the coast of America.
	And since January, 31 bodies have been recovered there.
	Again, no reason to have these two stories directly connected.
	So there's literally no reason for you to make this video, which is obviously insinuating.
	The Trump administration has been shackling migrants and dumping them in the ocean, but wait, we got it all.
	Oh, hey, here we got another video on TikTok.
	An update on the floating bodies that were found over in Spain.
	I know I did another video on some recent ones that were found.
	That video will come back once we win the appeal, which we will.
	We have submitted all the facts on that.
	So I don't want to talk on that because this video needs to be for this.
	We're going to stop ICE.
	This will stop ICE.
	And I'm counting on your districts.
	So prosecutors and federal judges and districts that are opposed to this.
	Okay, blah, blah, blah.
	He says, we found the bodies.
	We got them.
	31 bodies were found.
	And we are going to stop ICE.
	We get the insinuation.
	Here you go.
	Here's another video.
	Let's play a little bit.
	I don't want to waste too much time playing all of these incoherent ramblings.
	But these posts have thousands of retweets, millions of views.
	This is insane.
	And if it's true, then it could change everything.
	I knew there was something about these deportations that just didn't sit right with me.
	And then I found this story about a man in Colorado.
	His name is Alvin.
	And it looks like he's been trying to get this story out for the past two weeks now.
	Long story short, Alvin expresses his worry that his brother that was taken by ICE and in quotations deported is no longer alive because Alvin is friends with people that work for private contractors, okay?
	One of which seems to have a pretty high up rank in the military.
	Alvin stated that his friend claimed that they were being paid to drop off people in the middle of the ocean.
	I say people because they are humans as well, regardless of how you want to feel about them being here illegally in quotations.
	Okay, so somebody in the chat just said, let me grab this one if I can and see if it's going to let me.
	If this is true, Tim from Sleeping Giant, will you be making a public apology?
	My friends, if it turns out that the Trump administration has been engaged in mass executions, not only will I apologize, I will speak out against the administration, call for his impeachment and criminal charges,
	and I assure you, as will literally everybody else in Congress and the Senate, and there's not going to be any reality where a single member of Congress or the Senate defends Donald Trump if it is true that he is rounding people up and dumping them in the ocean in unsanctioned mass extrajudicial executions.
	Let me just make that perfectly clear.
	Anyways, Alvin's trying to get the word out about what types of planes that these military private contractors have been using.
	Well, it turns out that they're primarily cargo planes, the same cargo planes of which many of you might know open up at the back.
	And they don't really have any seats, and the seats of which they do have are extremely comfortable.
	I can tell you from my own personal experiences.
	But see, this is where Alvin's story gets extremely disturbing because he stated that most of the planes that let's just say have been transporting are disappearing off of radar and that his friends stated that that is when they do the inquirations drop.
	He also stated that these specific locations of where these drops are taking place are usual feeding grounds for sharks.
	So just try to imagine that for one second.
	Now, I don't know how much there is to this story.
	Okay, they've just upgraded this to Donald Trump is mass executing illegal immigrants from dropping them out of planes to dropping them out of planes over shark-infested waters.
	This timeline is insane.
	Listen, these people are going to go nuts.
	There's going to be weird violence because they genuinely believe this.
	He seems to obviously be in panic mode, but also on the run.
	And I want to know if somebody can track those specific planes and find out if and when they're there.
	They're all insane.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	We got a lady.
	Research the dirty war Argentina.
	Okay, so some guy on TikTok says research the dirty war Argentina before playing this clip.
	Which, for those that are not familiar, it's when a bunch of government, like a bunch of anti-communist government force in Argentina were killing a bunch of communists.
	But let's play this clip.
	If it's going to play now, the computers are the fritz again.
	I tracked the deportation flights and I called that they were going to be something terrible on a mass scale before it started happening using flight radar back on my first account.
	And now with this, this is setting off every fucking red flag in my body.
	I 1000% think that they are shackling these people and dumping them in the ocean with maritime laws and stuff like that.
	This administration is more than vile enough.
	ICE and all of that does not give a shit about human rights.
	And if you think that you're safe because you look like me, you're wrong.
	They're trying to end birthright citizenship.
	Research the dirty war.
	All right.
	So what I want to show here as I pause this is that you can see on the left, you've got a flight, which it's amazing because these planes, one of the planes they show looks like a small turboprop, and the one on the right looks like it might be a private jet.
	And they go out over the ocean and loop back.
	You literally, and this is Costa Rica, by the way.
	They have found random flights in random places and are now trying to insinuate this is proof.
	Okay, well, there's more, of course.
	We've got this one.
	Let me see if I can zoom out a little, make it easier to see.
	Ice plane leaves for Sudan.
	Sudan says ice plane never arrives.
	Ice plane arrives back empty.
	Shackled bodies wash up on the beach of Majorca downstream of a U.S. regime airbase.
	Oh, man.
	What a time to be alive.
	Here's the image.
	Spanish and American Air Force base, there's Majorca.
	Here's Sudan.
	Mind you, not South Sudan, because they don't really know the difference.
	These people are nuts.
	And the insinuation is they flew over Libya and Algeria into the Mediterranean, dumped the bodies just outside of Spain where they washed up on Majorca.
	This is where we're currently at in this country, my friends.
	Man, and there's more.
	Here's a meme post.
	It's got 528,000 views, 6.3,000 retweets.
	Remember that plane of people that I sent to South Sudan against court orders, only for South Sudan to report those people never arrived?
	Well, what they're doing here, my friends, is they're falsely conflating several stories they've twisted and broken and are absolutely wrong about.
	So we have this from ABC 7.
	Judge says U.S. government didn't follow court order on deportations after a South Sudan flight.
	The White House violated a court order on deportations to third countries with a flight linked to the Caddock African nation of South Sudan.
	A federal judge said Wednesday, hours of the Trump administration said it expelled eight immigrants convicted of violent crimes, but refused to reveal where they would end up.
	The judge's statement was a notably strong rebuke to the government's deportation efforts.
	In the emergency hearing, he called to address the reports that immigrants had been sent to South Sudan.
	The department's actions in this case have unquestionably been in violation of the country's court order, blah, blah, blah.
	The government calls the deported people true national security threats.
	Hold on, hold on.
	What's going on?
	So Trump actually did get a plane and deport people to South Sudan.
	But that meme said, South Sudan said they never arrived.
	Oh my God.
	If Trump flew the plane in May in violation of a court order and then South Sudan said the plane never arrived, oh my, then the only answer is they threw them out of the plane, right?
	Or they're just lying.
	Here's from Truth Out, a left-wing publication.
	It says, ICE strands migrants in Djibouti after failing to send them to South Sudan.
	Oh, so what happened?
	Trump transported people to Djibouti for holding, which we know and we covered on TimCast IRL last week, or I think even earlier, I think it was last week, the South Sudan story, Trump won in the courts.
	And then they didn't fly them from Djibouti to South Sudan because of the court order.
	It went to court, this is back in May, and the Supreme Court ruled that they can deport to third-party countries, opening the door for the stranded migrants in Djibouti to be sent to South Sudan.
	I don't know exactly why those people are in Djibouti or why they're going to South Sudan.
	And certainly if your argument was we shouldn't be sending to South Sudan, I'd say let's have the argument and figure out what's going on.
	But the argument they're making is they're taking these two stories that are that, listen, technically, what they said was technically the truth, right?
	Trump violated a court order flying migrants South Sudan, and then South Sudan said the plane never arrived.
	Conveniently, they're leaving out the middle, which is the plane arrived in Djibouti, the migrants were put into holding, and then because of the court order, they stayed there until recently, and they were then flown to South Sudan.
	Or perhaps they have not yet been flown to South Sudan.
	We have this from Reddit, from the R slash ICE Raids.
	There's an anti-ICE Reddit forum.
	And it says, deemed fake video dropping immigrants into the Indian Ocean three days ago.
	There is no reason to believe anything here is real.
	Do not spread false info.
	I just saw a video of someone talking about what the title says.
	Mods deemed it fake.
	Do not believe anything on the video until proven.
	I have no evidence, but I got curious.
	I am not going to link it.
	It's just a guy talking.
	I want to see what planes came and gone from Alligator Alcatraz.
	Here's the only plane to leave the airport.
	It's a two-engine, 11-seat aircraft.
	As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason to believe the aircraft has anything to do with Alligator Alcatraz.
	It was the only plane, so I just looked at it.
	I have no information.
	Maybe someone else can look into it.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	So let me break this down for you, my friends.
	They are taking images and flight logs from random planes, like one in Costa Rica, and then claiming that is the flight.
	Only problem is that plane flew over the Pacific, not the Atlantic.
	And the argument they're making is that the bodies in the Atlantic are washing up in Spain.
	They're not.
	Bodies did wash up in Spain.
	We do have that story from LBC.
	Spanish police reveal they may never identify five shackled bodies washed up on the beach as four arrests are made.
	The story is, this month, five corpses with their hands and feet shackled were found floating in the sea, sparking a police investigation.
	They are pursuing murder as a line of inquiry and believe the bodies belong to migrants who were killed after an altercation with their handlers.
	Four boat skippers linked to people smuggling rings have since been arrested.
	All four individuals appeared in a Spanish court and have been remanded in custody with the exception of a minor.
	The minor's case is currently being handled by the prosecutor's office, four minors, according to Majorca Daily Bulletin.
	However, the Civil Guard's investigation is proving near impossible due to the abuse suffered by the migrants traveling the dangerous route from Algeria to Spain by boat.
	Their lack of documentation is also impeding identification.
	The president of the, how do you put it, Bellearics, Marga Prohens, said the government is very concerned and shocked by the discovery of bodies.
	This is the cruelest aspect of something we have been denouncing for some time.
	The images in the news chill us all.
	Mafias take advantage of these humanitarian dramas, Ms. Prohen said.
	I remember several years ago, Lauren Southern was calling out the Mediterranean human trafficking rings.
	These people are being killed.
	I, as well as many others, have warned that people smugglers routinely rape and murder the people that are paying for this.
	Now that there is more evidence that it's happening, people are being prosecuted and we're already arrested for this.
	The left can't help but blame Trump and falsely claim with no real evidence that he's taking illegal immigrants and dumping their bodies in the ocean.
	Now I want to stress this, okay?
	The important thing people need to understand when they're like, what is this all about?
	This guy right here, 200,000 likes.
	I can only imagine this video has millions of views where he says, we can't be naive.
	But we cannot be so naive as to think that things don't happen.
	I very much would like to know how it is that people are ending up floating up on beaches in the Mediterranean shackled.
	This article here suggests that there are believed to be migrants who are attempting to travel the dangerous route from Algeria to Spain by boat.
	What migrants travel in shackles?
	That's something I very much do not understand.
	What do you mean that they're believed to be migrants who are attempting to travel the dangerous route from Algeria to Spain by boat?
	So let me just add that because this man doesn't know anything about what he's talking about or how coyotes and human smugglers operate, he's like, why would they be shackled?
	Because they didn't pay, they refused to pay, or maybe the traffickers were trying to rape and abuse some women.
	Maybe these guys were probably just men.
	Maybe they were getting shaken down.
	One of the stories we hear quite a bit is that the people who are being trafficked will have like a small cheap cell phone.
	Maybe the guy says, get rid of the phone.
	They fought.
	Maybe the guy insulted the guy's appearance.
	These are not good people.
	And the end result may have just been that they got shackled.
	So this is one story.
	This is another.
	The other part of not being naive that I want to pay attention to, so you have to ask yourself, and I know there are a bunch of people out there who are ready to jump in and say, oh, no, it's more efficient to transport people by cargo planes.
	No, it's not.
	No, it's more economical and more efficient to use passenger planes for people, for passengers.
	You can get more people on the planes.
	They are more cost-effective.
	Cargo planes are not cost-effective.
	So forget about that argument.
	So then why do you do it?
	Well, maybe they're doing it to create fear, to create a sense of terror.
	All right.
	Another concern is maybe they're doing it to condition.
	Both to condition people who get loaded onto planes to think this is normal.
	This is just how we do it.
	Don't worry about this.
	And to condition those of us who are watching.
	Well, what I can say is there is certainly no shortage of insane people, nor is there a shortage of annoying flies that won't leave me alone.
	But my friends, we're going to wrap up this portion of the show.
	Certainly it's not true, and I've made my case, but people are crazy.
	So my concern is things may escalate.
	We're going to be joined in the interview portion of the show by poker professional Doug Pohl to talk about the Big Beautiful Bill provision on gambling.
	My view is that this is a poison pill intentionally put in place to force the House to stop Trump's agenda.
	And we're going to be joined by a poker pro who's going to talk about why it's detrimental to the industry, to the gaming industry, daily fantasy sports, Vegas itself.
	And that'll be at 4 p.m. at rumble.com slash Tim Poole or youtube.com slash TimCast.
	So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
	Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all then.
	For everybody else, let's just jump into the story.
	We've got this from Newsweek.
	Hopefully everything's...
	Let me see...
	Our HDMI output has been on the Fritz, which is causing the resolution to flicker.
	We got to get it replaced.
	So things may be out of whack.
	But that being said, from Newsweek, Trump's big, beautiful bill could kill professional gambling.
	This is an incorrect headline.
	It could actually end gambling as we know it.
	Now, many conservatives are cheering for it.
	Okay, by all means, I don't care.
	You're allowed to have that opinion.
	I think gambling is largely bad as well.
	I got no problem with people having booze.
	I have a problem with alcoholism and addiction, and I appreciate treatments for this.
	I've got no problem with gambling.
	I have a problem with gambling addiction and people whose lives get destroyed by it.
	Within reason, these things can be fine and okay, but they do get abused.
	And so when you see the mass expansion of casinos, you have to wonder what's happening to our society.
	So, naturally, if there are regulations or restrictions, I'm not going to cry about it.
	But I'll tell you what I really think with this.
	I think that this provision was put into the bill to sabotage it because they can't afford to have even one GOP member of Congress break.
	And now they have to.
	What this bill will do, as I've been talking about it yesterday and this morning, and again, we're going to be joined by Doug Polk, who's going to break down for us how this will affect the poker pro industry and what it means for professional gaming.
	This means that even if you are a casual player, it's not about professional gambling, a casual player, let's say you go to Vegas just for a weekend and you want to see Katy Perry.
	Well, you can't.
	She got fired.
	But let's say you want to see Penn and Teller.
	And while you're there at the old Rio, you say, I'll play some blackjack for a little bit with my friends.
	It's a little bit of gaming.
	You're not addicted to gambling.
	You're just having fun with your friends and it's fun to see what the cards come up.
	And so you set a budget for yourself for your holiday weekend.
	It's two weeks out of the year.
	You say, I'm going to bet 500 bucks.
	I'm going to play 500 bucks.
	It's all I'm going to do.
	You know, I'm here to have a good time.
	You get free drinks while you do it.
	Hey.
	What people don't understand is what this bill does, it says you can't, you can only write off 90% of your losses, no matter who you are, pro or otherwise.
	If you play $500 and you're winning half the time and losing half the time, you might actually just end up leaving even, maybe a little bit down.
	However, if you bet $500 one time and you win, your winnings are $500.
	If you then bet $500 again and lose, your losses are $500, of which you could only write off $450.
	Meaning the government considers you to have made $50.
	That's what this bill will do.
	It makes literally no sense.
	And I'm going to say it again.
	I believe it was intentionally put in the bill because they want it to fail.
	They put something in that conservatives are going to cheer for, which will cause one Republican to bail.
	So instead of just sitting here rambling on it for 800 time, what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull in poker professional Doug Polk, who's going to talk about how this will affect his industry.
	I want to ask him about the size of the industry, where we're at with things like the World Series of Poker, which I'm a big poker player and poker fan as well.
	But this is a big issue, which could sabotage the entirety of Trump's agenda.
	Hearing what Doug has to say will be particularly interesting.
	So we've got Doug Polk here.
	Now, Doug, can you hear me?
	Yeah, I can hear you, Tim.
	How's it going, man?
	Hey, man.
	Welcome.
	Welcome.
	Thanks for joining me.
	So for those that are not familiar, do you want to just briefly introduce yourself?
	Yeah, my name is Doug Polk.
	I've been a professional poker player for, man, I don't even know 10, 15 years.
	I have a poker YouTube channel called Doug Polk Poker, where I do everything poker.
	I represent a poker room online.
	I have my own poker room in Texas.
	Actually, we have two locations.
	So I'm basically everything poker, Tim.
	Right on.
	So Trump's big beautiful bill, one of the most important pieces of legislation, if not the most, for Trump's agenda.
	When the Senate debated over the weekend, they put in this, and I've been investigating this.
	So we'll get into that a little bit, a provision that says that you can only write off 90% of gambling losses.
	Now, you are the poker guy.
	You're one of the big poker guys.
	You're one of the biggest influencers in the space.
	So what I want to say first to most people, as I already stressed before we started, again, I think this is a poison pill meant to sabotage Trump's agenda because this is a nuclear bomb on Las Vegas, Atlantic City, any casino in the country, the entirety of the poker industry, fantasy sports.
	But let's start from the beginning and you, as a poker professional, explain to me what this bill would do to your businesses, your clubs, your industry.
	Sure.
	So taking a step back here and just looking at specifically this carve out, right?
	Because there's a lot of stuff in this bill, all kinds of different things going on.
	I'm trying not to take a political stance, any of that, just as it pertains to gambling specifically.
	The way that it's written appears to me not written in the best terminology.
	So a little bit tough to decipher, but basically it seems like you can only write off up to 90% of your losses.
	And I can give you a couple of like really basic examples here.
	So let's just say you gamble over the course of the year, you win $1 million, you lose $1 million.
	In any other industry, you break even, right?
	You're out zero.
	You made nothing.
	You owe on nothing.
	Nothing really happened, right?
	You netted out.
	But what this new provision says is that you actually owe on 10% of the winnings because you can only write off 90% of the losses.
	So basically, you are now taxing either losing gamblers, you're taxing winning gamblers extra on top.
	It's basically just, you know, yeah, we'll take a little piece of that.
	Why?
	Oh, just because it's thrown into this bill at the last second.
	We're just going to go ahead and do it.
	So the impact this has on gambling is tremendous.
	It most impacts people in two specific scenarios.
	Let's take a look first at like if you're a recreational gambler, maybe you like to play slot machines, you like to go to black jack, play blackjack, you go to Vegas every now and then.
	Well, maybe over the course of the year, you know, you lose $20,000, $30,000 gambling, $10,000, $5,000.
	It doesn't really matter.
	And then you have that big score.
	You hit the jackpot for $20K, whatever it might be.
	Well, if you now go to your taxes and you want to deduct all of those losses beforehand, now you actually can't deduct all those and you're now paying taxes on money you lost, which is fundamentally wrong.
	Additionally, and this is probably more impactful for people kind of in my sector, if you are a professional gambler, well, now it is imperative that your edge is gigantic.
	And just to break that down a little bit, there are many gambling industries where people just have a fraction of a fraction of an edge.
	I think of the movie 21, right, where the MIT blackjack team had to count the card to get a small edge.
	Those guys, they had like one, two, three percent edges at most where they're betting these huge dollar amounts.
	You now need to break this 10% barrier to even be able to gamble profitably.
	So what that means is for people that are smaller edge professional gamblers, which let's face it, that's most professional gamblers today.
	You can no longer profitably be taking these bets because you can't clear that 10% barrier.
	So it impacts recreational gamblers.
	It impacts professional gamblers.
	I would imagine, Tim, that there are tens of thousands of professional gamblers in this country that their jobs will be eliminated immediately if this bill goes into effect.
	Thousands of Texans in my state, tens of thousands of people outside of the state.
	And personally, like, I don't think this is even an issue that either side, the left or the right, is kind of passionate about.
	It just feels like this got thrown in there.
	You're alluding to maybe a poison pill.
	I don't know.
	But there's no mistake here.
	If this passes, its impact on gambling will be tremendous.
	The mayor of Las Vegas came out with a press conference this morning saying the bill was bad because it's going to strip medical care and stuff like that.
	And I got to be honest, I just laughed because we talked about it last night on Timcast IRL.
	And I said, there's no way Las Vegas will let this bill pass.
	And sure enough, first thing in the morning, the mayor of Vegas comes out saying, oh, this bill is really bad.
	We can't have it.
	You've got a gaming caucus.
	All the Democrats, of course, are going to vote no because they oppose Trump's agenda.
	And the Republicans, you'd expect largely to vote yes.
	I had people tell me any Republican who votes no will never get reelected because Donald Trump is going to primary them and go up against them.
	However, I'd also argue that in Louisiana, in New Jersey, in Vegas, any Republican member of Congress who votes for this bill is also not going to get reelected.
	There's one rep out of Nevada whose largest contributor is the gaming industry.
	So here's one thing that I want to clarify, and you can help me out with this.
	When we say things like, you wager a million dollars in one, you lose a million dollars in a year gambling and you make a million dollars, most people don't understand how those numbers play out.
	They assume this means that a millionaire walks into a casino and says, I'm going to bet a million dollars just dumping money from his bank account.
	And then he gets lucky and wins it all back.
	But that's not actually how it works.
	So when you as like a poker pro are tracking your winnings and losings, like what is what is an average amount of total money wagered for a poker pro, say, like at the highest level?
	Would it be like a million dollars?
	What would the number be?
	So that's a really great point you bring up.
	I'd like to kind of maybe to dissect that a little bit.
	For a high-stakes player, there are tournaments that are $1 million.
	So a very high-stakes player might be spending $5, $10, $15, $20 million a year just in buy-ins to play all of the highest stakes tournaments in the world.
	But just to hone in on what you're saying, because it's a great point, I should have addressed it before.
	Let's just say that you only like to gamble for a few hundred dollars at a time, right?
	You go down to your local casino, you play in a tournament every day.
	Well, you know, maybe that buy-in is $200 and maybe you play it 100 times.
	That's $20,000 in losses that you have.
	And then you deduct all of your cashes against that.
	Maybe one day you had a big win for $8,000.
	Maybe most of the time you lose.
	But the point is, it's that same money as long as it's taken over time.
	It's like the net result of all of the wins and losses.
	It's gross wins, gross losses, because you're supposed to be, there's two ways to do your taxes.
	I'm not a tax attorney, clearly.
	But just generally, as I understand it, there are two ways to do your taxes.
	You can either take the standard deduction or you can itemize.
	And when you have a big gambling win, typically you itemize because you can get the maximum deduction back against your gambling win.
	That makes sense.
	We're going to pay the least tax you possibly can within the confines of the law.
	But this now penalizes that massively for someone who is in that scenario we mentioned earlier where you're just playing your small stakes gambling game every day.
	And then finally you have that one big day.
	Well, now Uncle Sam's coming knocking for 10%, even though you've lost money.
	I really feel like it's wrong.
	So I think the big impact, fantasy sports are going to get hit massively by this, which is massively, I think they were expecting in 2025 fantasy sports to double the amount of, I don't want to say revenue generated, but the market share, the amount of money that passes through is expected to hit something like $25 billion.
	Tons of guys love, they bet small amounts.
	They have a fantasy team.
	They play daily.
	What ends up happening is, you know, I try explaining this to people that I might say something like, oh, I've gambled $10,000 last year.
	And they're like, geez, are you nuts?
	You wasted $10,000.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	I went to the casino.
	I put $100 on a slot machine and pressed the button for a $5 bet and I won $20.
	I then pressed it again and I lost $5.
	Every time you bet $5 on a slot machine, your losses go up.
	So I learned this from Vegas.
	Was it Vegas Matt?
	Is that the guy on YouTube?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The slot machine guy.
	Yeah, I know you're talking about.
	I love watching it.
	Okay.
	But he said in one video, he goes, I'm going to wager $100,000.
	And I'm thinking, whoa, he's going to put $100,000 in the machine, and then he's going to bet $100,000.
	It's not what he did.
	He put like $10,000 in the machine, and then he made bets, winning and losing back and forth, like 50-50 until a total amount wagered was $100,000.
	And then he walked away slightly up, like very little.
	So there could be, for poker pros or for anybody, I think this ends gambling in its entirety.
	Let's take an extreme example of that, right?
	So typically speaking, the way we log results is by session or by tournament, which is typically the way logs work.
	But let's just go to the most extreme, just to kind of highlight your point.
	Let's just say that we want to look at poker by hand.
	Okay, so I've played about like 7 million hands in my career.
	I've looked at what the results look like when you look at all the wins, all the losses, and you just make two columns.
	You know, I've won like, I could make a headline, like I've won like $800 million in poker.
	I've just also lost like $785 million in poker, right?
	So if we looked at it like that, like I've done really well.
	But if we look at it letter of the law here and we went by hand, like, oh, I guess I owe money on, you know, $80 million I didn't make.
	And then all of a sudden I'm paying like 32 million out of pocket, you're toast, right?
	So if you start to go really extreme on this and you take it and you fine-tune comb, fine-tooth, whatever the saying is on that, go through it, you can find a way to get dramatically high tax numbers really quickly.
	And frankly, this is what I think is the most silly about this is, look, I know what's going on here with this bill.
	Like there's a lot of stuff going on on both sides, but they're trying to find ways to make money that isn't in a way that impacts people where they don't feel it.
	And it's like, oh, gamblers, we'll just take a little bit of the gambler money.
	But it's short-sighted and it doesn't work the way that they think because you know what?
	Like the people, when people make money, they're smart.
	And it's kind of like when you see richer people in countries that aggressively tax them or states that aggressively tax them.
	They move to where they don't get aggressively taxed at some point.
	When you try and add this 10% tax onto gambling, there are now people who cannot gamble.
	There are people that will not gamble.
	There are people that will, instead of paying taxes, they're going to go Into black markets, trying to avoid having to pay those taxes.
	They're going to go offshore.
	They're going to go into different games.
	They might quit entirely.
	In my opinion, you might see that we end up losing more than this 10% back anyway, just because of the reduction in gambling.
	And to the point you made at the start of this conversation, is this a poison pill to try and get gaming involved to kill this bill?
	I don't know.
	But yeah, like if I'm, if I'm in Vegas, you think I want to see this pass, if I'm like at any level of government, if I'm in any of the casinos, if I'm DraftKings, if I'm FanDuel, if I'm, you name it, I'm MGM, I'm saying, like, any of these entities, they're not going to want to see this pass because it's going to hurt their bottom line.
	And look, I hope you're right.
	I hope maybe that's what this is, but you certainly feel the heat when it's your industry on the line.
	Yeah, you know, like it's certainly not my industry.
	And I will also add there is a strong presence of conservatives that want gambling regulated or banned outright in general.
	I think there's a big distinction between social poker and casino gambling.
	Obviously, with cash games, you know, you sit down at a table, maybe you have $200 to $400, whatever.
	You know, some places might have higher buy-ins.
	Yeah, you're putting money on the line, but it's all lumped together, and there's no clear line of when it becomes gambling and when it doesn't.
	Obviously, we know gambling when you see it.
	If you go say, I think the Bears are going to win this game, I'm going to put $100 on it, you're gambling.
	But if you're sitting in a social poker game like Texas Hold'em and you don't actually make any bets and that you get your cards first, you look at your cards, you fold, you've wagered no money, and you play the hand.
	So there's a big difference between that.
	And this is going to destroy what is a sport with tournaments.
	Here's what I think on the poison pill thing.
	It is a bad thing.
	I think the bill's not going to pass because of it.
	I think it was put in intentionally because people wouldn't understand it.
	Members of the Senate are going to look at it and say, well, who cares about gambling losses?
	What does that even mean?
	And it's a small paragraph, but it's a poison pill because it's $170 billion a year industry.
	And there's no way Nevada is going to say we will lose our tourism industry and allow this to happen.
	But let me bring this to regular people.
	Because like I said, I know there's a lot of conservatives that are like, fine, banned gambling.
	For one, it's massively popular.
	I'm not a big fan of how expansive gambling has gotten with all the casinos everywhere.
	But what this bill would do is effectively ban all gambling with the only argument being you should lie in your taxes, of which legally no one in law, no one in the Senate is going to argue people should do.
	But this means that if you go to a Vegas vacation, you're like, hey, at the end of the year, I got two weeks vacation saved up.
	Vegas has skiing an hour out.
	They legit, they have a mountain.
	You can go skiing.
	And you can also go watch a big show.
	Maybe you want to see Penn and Teller.
	And you're like, I'm going to set aside 500 bucks on my vacation budget for some blackjack and some craps just to have fun with the family.
	I'm not a big gambler.
	But if that $500, let's say you're playing craps and you win one, lose one, win one, lose one.
	After a weekend of playing, that $500 becomes 5,000 in losses, 500 in winnings, and you now owe the government on $500 in income you never made.
	Yeah, you would owe the 10% of that, right?
	So it's absolutely going to blow some people out of the water.
	I think for the small-time gamblers, it won't be too, too impactful unless you have a big score, unless you hit a big jackpot, unless you win a big tournament, then all of a sudden, you know, the government's going to come knocking looking for their 10% on something that you didn't even win money in, which I think is like the real issue.
	There was in the past four years, in the previous administration, they hired 87,000 IRS agents, and they also announced that they were going to be tracking any transaction over $600.
	Now, the big argument was the IRS agents are going to help them track down the billionaires.
	But this is why I see this as a poison pill.
	I don't see how Vegas or Atlantic City or anybody, like, because Maryland's got a big casino industry now, lets this bill pass.
	And if the argument is you might only pay a few hundred dollars, well, then you've got the issue of maybe right now this administration is not going to hunt you down over your gamblings, your winnings.
	But I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future, maybe in a couple of years, this is how the government does it, after your taxes are filed, you get a bill in the mail saying the casino did track your winnings and losses.
	Somehow they knew who you are, whatever.
	And then the IRS agents come and they say, hey, look, we noticed your PayPal account, your bank account had this money come in from a deposit.
	How do you explain that?
	And then you're going to get a bill for a couple hundred dollars at the end of the year.
	So I guess I'm curious, though, in Texas, you guys have a big, like there's a big industry of poker clubs.
	Are there a lot of players that are trying to make a living or are just recreational playing every single day?
	Obviously, there are this how you stay in the industry, right?
	Yeah.
	So poker has really exploded in Texas over the course of the last 10 years or so.
	We've seen the rise of a very different model.
	It's people pay a membership fee, seat rental fees.
	You're not allowed to rake legally in the state of Texas.
	And so we've seen these rims pop up in all of the major states where poker is being played by more and more and more players.
	And I think that's also one of the reasons why when I see this bill, I realize how many people this will impact.
	And, you know, you talked about it a little bit earlier with people that may now try and avoid paying their taxes.
	Like, let's just say, let's just, let's give it an impossible scenario, right?
	Let's just say you're someone making $60,000 a year as a poker professional.
	This 10% thing will put you in the red.
	So now rather than making money, you're going to lose money every year.
	What do you do?
	You say, oh, find a new job.
	Oh, quit your career.
	Well, okay, it's easy to say as someone talking to someone else, but as that person who might have a family, might have children, now they have to decide between like following this law or losing their career because someone in DC just tacked this onto a bill with no discussion, with no thought, with no conversation, with no debate.
	You know, the impact this will have on people like, and certainly I live in Austin and Austin that I know in Houston and Dallas and San Jose and all these major Texas cities will be giant, but it's also going to apply to all these places across the entire country.
	And I want to say this just on kind of the conservative aspect of poker, because it is tricky the way that this works.
	In my experience here, we've tried to pass laws in Texas to kind of clarify some things as it pertains to gambling.
	And generally speaking, conservatives have been kind of split with us on whether they support us or not.
	It sort of boils down to like which camp you're kind of in.
	They're sort of the more pro-business wing of the Republican Party, which is like maybe something I would more lean towards myself.
	And then you have more of like the conservative Christian values side.
	The way I kind of see it is like the less government, maybe this is very text-to-be, I don't know, but the less government we have getting involved in people's lives and telling them what they can and can't do, you know, in terms of their taxes, in terms of their businesses, in terms of like their personal lives, in terms of anything that's not impacting the other people around them.
	I feel like we should have less government, not more.
	And when I see, you know, a 900-page bill, Tim, where, you know, this is going, our industry is getting attacked this hard, it makes you wonder how many other industries might just have something thrown in there that might have something that's that's significant impacting them.
	This is what's crazy is my team, well connected with the Hill.
	Several people have, well, we have one individual particularly who worked there for over a decade.
	Shout out to Lisa.
	And we've been asking around and looking, trying to figure out how this got added at the last minute in the 11th hour.
	We can't figure it out, which apparently I'm being told is kind of odd.
	Who was the senator that put this, it's just two small paragraphs, but it is a nuclear bomb in the gaming industry.
	And again, I want to stress, you know, I had the other night, we had a conservative on Amber Duke, and she laughed and she's like, good, gambling is bad.
	And it's okay, fine, fine.
	Like to the conservatives that don't like gambling, by all means, you're allowed not to criticize it all day, every day.
	But we need to ask ourselves, how did something so nuclear get added to a bill that's putting it at risk of passing in the first place?
	Because you know what I find interesting is you were mentioning you don't want to get political.
	So here we are.
	I'm sitting down.
	I'm a news guy and politics guy talking with a poker pro, a poker pro being concerned over a spending bill, which let me just be honest, ask you, when was the last time you decided to do a big public discussion on a spending bill?
	Is it?
	Oh, I mean, I mean, never.
	Never.
	Tim, I got dragged in.
	It's like, I just woke up one day and it's like, your industry is under attack right now on a bill that's going to get voted on maybe tomorrow.
	You know, you just get, you get thrown into it.
	I mean, you were the first person I reached out to.
	I'm like, okay, who do I know that actually has a voice kind of in this space?
	And obviously, like, I appreciate you giving me the chance to speak and talking about this because it's so important.
	But when you get dragged in, you have no choice.
	And you know what reminds me a little bit?
	It reminds me a little bit about 15 years ago, people might not realize this, but online poker was banned overnight, where basically all of a sudden, one day, people could no longer play online poker.
	The federal government seized all of the sites and then poker went overseas.
	And it's not been until very recently with sites like Club WPT Gold that people can come back and play in America.
	But what happened was because of the UIGEA and basically enforcing through the WIRE Act, as I understand it, they seized all of the money of these online poker players.
	And just overnight, people's jobs became illegal.
	I remember having to leave my home, move away from my house in Las Vegas, Nevada, to Canada to be able to play online and continue to work.
	And you know what the most messed up thing is?
	I had to just then pay my taxes back because America is the only country where even if you live overseas, you have to send your – It's ridiculous.
	It's ridiculous.
	This is why I think it's a poison pill, that it was added.
	We don't know who added it.
	Nobody wants to take credit for it.
	I think you were right.
	They're trying to figure out ways to offset the tax deductions and make it look like the deficit's going to be smaller and the debt spending is going to be going to be smaller.
	And I think they did it in a way that most people wouldn't understand, but now Newsweek's written about it.
	NBC's written about it.
	It's popping up.
	And so Thomas Massey's a no on the bill.
	Chip Roy, my understanding, is also a no on the bill.
	And he's your rep.
	My rep.
	But it's not because of the gambling.
	I don't think anybody even knows about it.
	I also think it's probably, there's probably other things in the bill that we haven't noticed that are as bad.
	But I can't imagine a Republican rep in any of these big gaming states deciding to vote yes on this, especially, as I mentioned with the mayor.
	So ultimately, it's when you get Doug Polk doing an interview with Tim Poole on a political issue, I think for conservatives who don't like gambling, just the main takeaway from it is they put this in here to trigger a $170 billion industry into a panic against the bill to stop it.
	And with a single day, I don't know how you get a debate to pull that provision out considering it's already passed the Senate.
	It seems like the only possible outcome is that the bill will fail and Trump's agenda will be stopped.
	That's crazy.
	And if you figured that out, that is, I got to give a tip of my hat to you, man, because that's some 4D chess, absolutely.
	And it does make sense because if you think about the urgency now from my industry to step in here, from all these big players, like I'm not a big casino guy, like I'm a small-time cardroom owner here in Texas.
	I do my own stuff.
	I play online, all these kinds of things.
	But you have to imagine the amount of money at play here, the amount of money at stake, the impact of this decision is so tremendous that, I mean, I hope it kills the bill selfishly for my industry because of how brutal it is for me.
	Not because of any of the other stuff.
	I've honestly not been following that closely.
	I follow state level politics more than national, but certainly you rile people enough up that have enough power and enough say.
	And Lord knows the lobbying in DC from gaming institutions.
	There's no reason for this in the bill.
	It literally makes no sense.
	There's been no debate on this.
	There's been no public debate on it.
	There's been no cultural issue at play.
	There's been no large gaming, anti-gaming lobby.
	This came literally out of nowhere.
	And it is a tax increase disguised as some kind of policy position as opposed to a literal tax increase.
	And it does so in a way that is a nuclear bomb on one of the biggest industries we have in the country that's been expanding rapidly.
	The only outcome could be to cause an uproar that nukes it.
	My mind is blown on this.
	Just to stress one more time.
	If this, there were a few provisions in the bill, like the Short Act and the Hearing Protection Act.
	This would have made it much easier to attain a suppressor for your gun and a short-barreled rifle, which are restricted under something called the National Firearms Act.
	There are lobbies that have been fighting really hard for this.
	The NRA, the NG, what is it, the National Gun Owners of America.
	And so this was culturally popping up in the news.
	But overnight, out of nowhere, with no conversation whatsoever, they put in one of the weirdest provisions imaginable that could only disrupt Trump's agenda.
	And then you just said it, Doug, you said you hope the bill fails for that reason because it's an attack on your industry.
	I think that was the play.
	So let me just ask you one more question so people can understand the scale of this.
	Do you know how many players so far are expected to be at the World Series of poker starting today?
	Well, the timing is crazy, right?
	Because right now we have the flagship event of poker.
	It's the World Series of Poker main event.
	It's the biggest poker tournament we get every year.
	It's $10,000 to buy in.
	Last year had 10,000 people playing in it.
	So this is a giant, giant, giant, giant tournament.
	I don't think it will impact this year because the people going to play don't know if it's going to go through or not yet, right?
	So I think where we will really see this rear its ugly head will be next year at the start where people already know and the series hasn't begun yet.
	But yeah, like this is the biggest event of poker.
	Maybe it could impact the final day or two.
	I'm not sure.
	But yeah, it's going to be tremendous for tournament poker.
	But so specifically, though, though, I think like two years ago, there was something like close to 11,000 players who each spent 10 grand to enter the main event.
	I was one of them.
	Indeed.
	I don't actually know the number.
	Do you know how many people go to Vegas?
	I think it was just over 10,000.
	I think it was just over 10,000.
	In total, like how many people come to Vegas for the World Series?
	I would guess conservatively about 100,000 people, maybe more, 125, come to Vegas over the course of the summer to play.
	So here's what I think.
	I think they were trying to find a way to kill Trump's bill.
	It passed only because of a tiebreaker vote from the vice president.
	And they did it when one of the biggest gaming events and times of the year is taking place with the World Series of Poker, specifically with a single paragraph that would kill pro-poker, aside from all the gaming industry and fantasy sports.
	You've got 100,000 or so people that have traveled to Vegas for this big event where on the side of, I think it's the horseshoe, right?
	They have the big WSOP logo and it's a permanent fixture.
	Sounds to me like it was a strategy.
	Like they said, how can we cause the biggest problem imaginable for this bill?
	They put in this one paragraph that gets largely overlooked.
	People don't understand.
	Meanwhile, there's 100,000 players that have just flown to Vegas who are all now hearing about this, who are not political, who I imagine are going to be talking in all of the press around the game, which has millions or tens of millions of viewers, and they're going to say, kill Trump's bill.
	That does make some sense to me.
	And I will say, it's worth noting as well, because I've seen this take, which I think is wrong.
	People are saying that this is Trump.
	Trump hates poker.
	We have no clue who this was.
	It could have been someone from Trump's team disseminating it down.
	It could have been someone from – We don't know who added it.
	We don't know why it got added.
	We don't know any of those things.
	All we know is it did get added and it got passed in this giant bill.
	And so that's the political side gamesmanship that I'm totally unfamiliar with.
	I just know how bad this impact will be.
	And yeah, maybe this is.
	Maybe during one of the biggest gambling event of the year, maybe this will help get the word out to.
	I don't know, man.
	Outside my skis now.
	I don't know what to say.
	That's a crazy idea.
	Well, I'll just final thought on this.
	All the poker players want to see Trump's bill dead.
	Many of them are blaming Trump for it.
	And if Trump celebrates this victory, I think what will end up happening is in the midterm elections in contested districts, there are going to be attack ads against Republicans where they say so-and-so Republican voted against fantasy sports.
	So-and-so voted to tax your, you know, your sports gambling, your daily fantasy stuff, because regular middle-of-the-road guys, they're playing their fantasy sports on FanDuel or DraftKings or whatever it is they're doing.
	And they're going to wonder why it is now it's become an impossible thing to do.
	But Doug, I do appreciate you joining and talking about this.
	Where can people find you?
	Oh, yeah, you can find me online, Doug Polk Poker on YouTube.
	Do a lot of poker stuff, especially right now, Royal Trees of Poker going on.
	You know, Lodge Card Club out in Austin or San Antonio, if you're ever in the Texas area.
	And then online at Club WPT Golds, where I play online using code Doug.
	So appreciate it, Tim.
	Right on, man.
	Thanks for joining me.
	We'll see you next time.
	See you.
	The famous Doug Polk.
	He's got a big channel.
	He's appeared.
	He's one of the biggest pros in the world.
	I think he's most famous for online stuff.
	But I'm going to say it again because I know, guys, I'm well aware of all the comments saying banned gambling.
	I don't care.
	I think that's how they're tricking you.
	But I could be wrong.
	Maybe I'm getting all worked up for no reason and every single Republican is going to fall in line except for Chip Roy and Massey.
	And this thing passes with the slimmest 218 to, you know, they have to get 218 to pass it, even though there's three vacancies for the Democrat side.
	It really feels to me, like, I got to say, I'm bummed to see Doug Polk say, I hope the bill fails because of how important the bill is for Trump's agenda, particularly around immigration.
	But I get it.
	I get it.
	Man, I'm a big fan of the World Series of poker.
	I'm a big poker player myself.
	I'm a big fan.
	I do think there's a component of chance in gambling, obviously.
	I think the argument is fine to have.
	I'm not a big fan of degenerate over gambling and addiction or alcohol or drugs or any of that stuff.
	But we're talking about 100,000 people who are flying to Vegas right now for the biggest gambling, gaming event, whatever you're going to call it, the tournament, the World Series of poker, where people dream of entering, where the everyman has a chance, if they save up that one time, to maybe be the dude who wins the main event.
	Because it's like a 16-day-long, grueling fiasco to try and win this thing.
	It's a marathon where you're playing for like 16 hours a day.
	It is a brutal feat of math calculations and outwitting your opponents, and people love it.
	By all means, say you hate gambling, say you want gambling bad, but understand this is maybe I'm thinking too conspiratorially, but when I'm asking my team, like who was the senator who put this in the bill?
	And the answer is, we don't know, and the staffers don't know either.
	Someone put in it at some point, someone thought this up.
	And then you get, you know, Doug Polk, he gets hundreds of thousands of views on his videos saying, and he's not a political guy.
	He's like, I don't know about politics, man.
	I hope the bill fails.
	And I'm like, oh, that's a bummer.
	Because he even mentioned he's like a pro-business right-leaning guy, but he's not a political guy.
	Anything that pulls in normies to get them to blame Trump and sabotage his agenda, to me, sounds like a poison pill.
	But I'm going to wrap it up there, my friends.
	I'm going to, we're going to gear it up to send this raid over to Russell Brand.
	I believe Russell Brand is geared up to go live.
	I always usually just pop over to Rumble and grab that URL for you guys.
	Yes, Russell Brand is currently live.
	Let's get that raid going.
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