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June 4, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Elon Musk Declares WAR Over Trump's BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, GOP Didnt Even READ IT

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Trump's big, beautiful bill.
		It's likely going to pass.
		Made it through the House.
		It's going through the Senate.
		The opposition in the Senate is minimal, with Rand Paul being the principal actor saying, hey, we don't want to add trillions of dollars to the deficit.
		We've got to cut the budget.
		Donald Trump says this is going to be fantastic.
		We got from the White House 50 reasons why it's great.
		They're saying it's a big, it's a massive reduction.
		It's going to do a lot of things for the Trump agenda.
		Things you want to see happen.
		Trump needs that spending package.
		He needs these funds allocated.
		But Elon Musk's calling it a disgusting abomination, saying that it's bloat, it's anti-doge, it negates the work that they were doing, has a lot more to it than that.
		Marjorie Taylor Greene posted that she didn't realize in the House that this big, beautiful bill includes a provision that restricts the regulation of AI.
		I mean, this bill is reported, I think it's around 1,100 or so pages long.
		Nobody read it.
		They don't know what's in it.
		Now I will say this.
		Mr. Philibonte reliably informs me that there is this provision in the big, beautiful bill that would take suppressors off of the NFA restricted items list.
		And now I'm kind of like just.
		But I want to buy a bunch of suppressors, so we weigh this one.
		So right now this is the big fight, and the question is, who's right?
		Donald Trump and his allies are saying this is going to cut down on costs.
		It is a large reduction.
		While the corporate press and Elon Musk are saying it's adding massive bloat.
		Then you've got questions about what is actually in the bill.
		Here's my favorite part.
		Everybody's talking about how with all this going on, Donald Trump's approval rating is better than Obama and Bush for the same time in their second terms.
		Okay.
		I'll roll with it because it sounds good, but yo, the polls are, what's the right word for it?
		Manic.
		Manic.
		One pollster has Trump up 13, the next has him down 7. In the same time period, a 20-point swing.
		Make it make sense.
		Yeah, I didn't think so.
		So let's get into all this.
		We'll talk about it, my friends.
		Before I do, shout out to Steven Crowder and the Mug Club.
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	Let's jump into that first story from the New York Times.
	Elon Musk calls Trump policy bill a disgusting abomination.
	Now, I'm of two minds on this one.
	I am.
	I hate the omnibus bill.
	I hate the mass spending that they always do.
	I loved when Matt Gaetz said single-item spending bills.
	They found a way to get rid of him from Congress, but shout out to him and his new show.
	And what do we get now?
	Donald Trump gets in.
	And once again, we're looking at omnibus spending.
	One big, beautiful bill, he says, but I'm of two minds on this.
	You know why?
	I am not a revolutionary, my friends.
	I am not.
	I'm a reformer.
	Which means, frequently, we will compromise.
	So what do we have here?
	I don't like how the government mass spends.
	I don't like how they strip our buying power and our savings away through mass spending and deficit spending.
	But I want Trump to win.
	I want Trump to win, and these next few years are extremely important.
	Now, many people may say, but Tim, they always promise to make these cuts, but they never do, and they're going to keep doing it, perhaps.
	However, the attacks on our institutions from the far left and Democrats, the way they defend human traffickers, the way they defend MS-13 gang members, the way they went after Catholics in that new FBI report, you see this one?
	The way they literally called parents terrorists.
	I'm sitting there being like, okay.
	This is the status quo in how they do spending bills.
	It's not even a grand departure from what Trump normally, I'm sorry, from what the government normally does.
	So that's why I kind of roll my eyes.
	I don't like what they're doing, and I oppose a lot of it.
	However, I want Trump to win.
	So it is tough.
	It is tough.
	Democrats are going to try and win back power in 26 in the midterms.
	They will immediately impeach Trump.
	If they win the presidency in 28, they're going to open the border, flood this country with illegal immigrants, shift the 2030 census, and they'll never lose another election.
	So it's hard to say.
	Now, I think this bill is going to pass either way, but let's read the news and break down what we've got going on.
	The New York Times says Elon Musk lashed out on Tuesday against the far-reaching Republican bill intended to enact President Trump's domestic policy agenda, posting on X that it was a disgusting abomination.
	And telling House members who voted for it, you know you did wrong.
	The tech billionaire criticized the bill, one of Mr. Trump's top priorities in a series of about 10 posts in them.
	Musk re-shared commentary from lawmakers like Rand Paul and Mike Lee of Utah, two Republicans who had sided with him in opposing the rising U.S. deficit.
	I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore.
	Musk wrote an X. He called the domestic policy bill massive, outrageous pork-filled, adding that it would massively increase the already gigantic budget deficit and that Congress is making America bankrupt.
	He is correct.
	He did not target any specific members of Congress, but hinted that he might support efforts to unseat those who backed the bill in the 26 midterm elections.
	In November next year, we fire all politicians who betrayed the American people.
	That includes Trump.
	Trump is gung-ho on this bill.
	He's saying, let's roll, baby.
	And my attitude on this is, I think Trump knows full well the bill is bad.
	But he's thinking, there's a handful of things in there I need and want.
	I'll take it.
	It's tough.
	I wish it was as easy to be like Elon or like Trump and just say one way or another, this is exactly what must be done.
	Either we trash the bill or we support the bill.
	But I have concerns beyond just this.
	What happens if the Trump administration does not succeed in their priorities?
	If we stand on principle today and say, you know, look, I think Thomas Massey is fantastic.
	Thomas Massey and Rand Paul, my favorites.
	And they obstruct.
	It's what they do.
	And I've often disagreed with them.
	Because I do think, I don't think we have such an easy solution to this issue.
	And I don't think things are always as simple as stand by your principles, stop the increase in the deficit, and we'll be good.
	Okay, maybe, maybe.
	I don't know for sure.
	What I can say is I feel like if Trump doesn't get the agenda items he needs, Democrats will find a way to seize power and undo literally everything.
	So what is that saying?
	Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good or whatever or something like that?
	I'm always mixing up.
	But the general idea is this is bad, but it's status quo.
	But it gives Trump the opportunity he needs to get a lot of stuff done.
	Now, I'm not saying that the end result of this is we should support the bill.
	I want to clarify this.
	A lot of people will say things like, Tim, once again, in the middle on this.
	Well, it's because I don't know what to tell you, and I'm not here to tell you what to believe.
	I'm going to weigh the pros and the cons on this one, and then you're going to have to use your judgment to make that determination.
	Maybe people would prefer if I was just banging my gavel.
	Look, I got a gavel right here, and I was like, Trump can do whatever he wants!
	But I'm like, yo, that AI provision in there that says states can't regulate AI for 10 years?
	Trump is cutting the leash on AI because we're terrified of what China might do, and it can destroy us.
	This is why I don't run for office.
	So, my friends, Elon Musk accuses Trump of driving America into debt slavery as he escalates the war with the president.
	The billionaire tech giant and former first buddy once glued to Trump's side bombastically claimed overnight that Trump is plunging the U.S. into debt slavery in an escalation of his war with the president.
	I don't think they're mad at each other, to be completely honest.
	But I certainly think Elon is upset over this bill.
	They say the one big, beautiful bill act passed the House last month, but is now held up in the Senate, where some Republicans agree with Musk's criticism of the legislation.
	While Musk opened up the pathway for criticism earlier this month, he really began tearing into his former best friend with a series of posts on X Tuesday and Wednesday.
	Besides his billions, Musk is also highly influential because of his notoriety in MAGA world and his control over one of the most popular social media platforms in the U.S. With 220 million followers on X and control of the algorithm, Musk could easily turn the tides against Trump and his agenda with tweaks to what his followers and all X users can see.
	Indeed.
	He called it pork-filled.
	Well, let's take a look at where I think I have the tweet from Elon, but we get it.
	Donald Trump addressing Rand Paul's obstruction.
	He says, Rand votes no on everything, but never has any practical or constructive ideas.
	His ideas are actually crazy losers.
	The people of Kentucky can't stand them.
	This is a big growth bill.
unidentified		Is it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's take a look at the corporate press.
		Not that I trust them.
		NBC News reports GOP bill for Trump's agenda would add $2.4 trillion to the debt over 10 years, Budget Office says.
		The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office also found that the House-passed legislation would increase the number of people without health insurance by 10.9 million by 2034.
		The sweeping Republican bill for President Donald Trump's domestic agenda is projected to add $2.4 trillion over 10 years.
		To be fair, it's $240 billion a year.
		The figure is slightly higher than an earlier version of the bill, which with the CBO projected at $2.3 trillion.
		The Budget Office also estimated the package would increase the number of people without health insurance by $10.9 million by 2034 because of spending cuts to Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act.
		And I'm going to tell you right now why that's not correct.
		Because there's no babies.
		So in nine years, there's going to be substantially less people.
		I'd imagine that number would go down.
		The long-awaited news score factors in a series of last-minute revisions GOP leaders made to placate holdouts before the House passed legislation last month.
		Changes include a higher state and local tax deduction, which is BS, by the way.
		Do you guys know about the SALT stuff?
		Basically, Democrat states have really high taxes.
		And what they're saying is, we want it to be that if you pay state taxes, you get a deduction on your federal taxes so that the tax burden is lower per person.
		That means that blue states, which have really high taxes, are going to basically give their people a tax break, and red states are going to have to foot the bill for the federal taxes.
		So red states are saying, why should we pay more to the federal government than you?
unidentified		It's like, okay, I'm going to say this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'm in favor of it.
		You know why?
		Red states need to just raise their taxes.
		This is what was predicted.
		If this rolls out, red states will just increase their taxes.
		And tell all the people, don't worry about it, though.
		Because of SALT deductions, you don't got to pay those taxes to the Fed and we get to keep it.
		Indeed.
		If that actually happens, I doubt it.
		They say overall CBO and the Joint Committee on Taxation found that over a 10-year period, the legislation would decrease revenues by $3.7 trillion while cutting net spending by $1.3 trillion.
		The legislation is now in the hands of the Senate, where top Republicans want to pass a revised version by July 4th.
		It is unclear what changes they will make or how those revisions would affect the deficit.
		The score contradicts claims by the White House and GOP leaders that the bill won't worse than the national debt.
		Okay, now they're talking about Elon Musk and all that, but I got this post here from the White House.
		50 wins in the one big beautiful bill.
		Listen, I don't like omnibuses.
		They slide garbage in there, okay?
		They put in weird stuff and were like, why are they getting funding for that?
		Why can't we ever get something that we want?
		Because they cut deals in Congress and they say, we need the bill passed.
		And they go, if you do, then I want funding for my district.
		Spending goes up.
		That being said, I think it would be important to take a look at what's in it that we may actually like.
		Let's take a look.
		So here are 50 reasons why Trump's one big, beautiful bill is the best chance in a generation to pass critical reforms.
		One, it delivers the largest tax cut in American history.
		This means an extra $5,000 in American pockets with a double digit percent decrease to the Oh, yeah?
		But your spending power will decrease rapidly, so that's kind of a moot point.
		However, tax cuts, tax cut.
		You'll see it more in the immediate, but with government overspending, deficit spending, this means the buying power is being extracted from your savings.
		You don't want to live in a world where you can't save.
		I suppose the answer is people will just buy Bitcoin with their paychecks right away to escape the ever-inflationary U.S. dollar.
		But if that's the case, the U.S. dollar is going to hyperinflate faster than you all realize.
		But let's read more.
		Two.
		It makes the Trump tax cuts permanent, preventing the largest tax increase ever.
		If the bill doesn't pass, Americans will see the largest tax increase in history.
		I don't like that.
		It's a double-edged sword.
		The tax increase is to pay off the deficit spending they were doing last time.
		So now they're going to take more money from us to cover the money that they were spending on things we never wanted them to spend in the first place.
		That's the problem with deficit spending.
		Debt slavery.
		It raises Americans' take-home pay by as much as $13,300 and wages by as much as $11,600.
		These are good things, sure.
		It reverses the spending curse plaguing D.C. The bill delivers the largest deficit reduction in 30 years with $1.6 trillion in mandatory savings, the largest single reduction in mandatory spending in our country's history.
		The counterpoint to that is that it increases spending by something like $3 trillion or more.
		It delivers.
		No tax on tips and no tax on overtime.
		This makes good on two of President Trump's cornerstone campaign promises and will benefit hardworking Americans where they need it most to their paychecks.
		Now I will say this.
		Despite the fact that this is going to be deficit spending and it's going to decrease buying power, the benefit of more immediate cash in your pocket is more economic activity, which Could lead to inflation, but more economic activity means more work, more opportunity, more wealth generation.
		And the idea for a lot of these bills and these plans is we may deficit spend, but if we increase economic activity, we're going to generate more taxes through that economic activity.
		So maybe, maybe.
		No tax on tips, no tax on overtime is fantastic.
		What I will say is we need a law that says No taxes on salaried work past 40 hours.
		This is the challenge with salaries.
		If you're a salaried position, you're expected to work as many hours as you need to for that position.
		These are jobs that don't necessarily require hours of labor.
		So that means I get to work 100 hours a week or something like this, and I got to pay taxes on all of it.
		You know what I'm going to do?
		I'm going to pay myself an hourly wage.
		Tim Pool is going to get...
		Can I do that?
	Can I just, as the CEO of the company, take an hourly wage?
	We'll convert my wage to hourly and then bracket it for 40 hours a week and then no taxes on overtime.
	No, seriously, why not?
	Some people have pointed out that rumble rants and super chats might actually be considered tips.
	I actually think they are.
	When I was doing...
	And I would say, donate if you like the work that I do.
	My accountant actually said a good majority of the money received in that capacity is a gratuity.
	You have to pay tax on it, but it's taxed differently.
	The thing is, when you do a live stream like this, and then you guys rumble rant or super chat or whatever it is you're doing, I'm not giving you anything in exchange for that money.
	You're just posting the money.
	So it's considered a gratuity for work already being delivered, as opposed to standard transactions which require what's called consideration.
	That is, if I say, I will give you this gavel for, I don't know, your Gatorade.
	There is a value exchange in that, and you've got to pay tax on it.
	However, I said, you can just have it.
	That's free.
	That's a gratuity.
	No tax on tips, baby.
	So we're going to exempt all of our super chats and rumble rants, and then I'm going to pay myself an hourly wage so only the morning show counts, and then the rest is overtime.
	I don't know if you're allowed to do that, but anyway.
	They say it provides historic tax cuts for seniors.
	It finishes the border wall.
	I love it.
	It boosts Border Patrol and ICE agents on the front lines with the largest border security investment in history.
	That's good news.
	It increases the child tax credit to $2,500 per family.
	I dig that as a new father.
	It protects Medicaid and Americans who truly need it.
	It eliminates waste, fraud, and abuse by ending benefits for at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants who are gaming the system.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot.
		I'm going to go quick.
		All right.
		It says it implements popular work requirements for able-bodied Americans receiving taxpayer-funded benefits.
		I'm for it.
		It eliminates hundreds of billions of dollars in green news scam tax credits.
		reverses electrical vehicle mandates.
		It ends Biden's worn American energy, It streamlines onerous permitting processes so that American can get building again.
		It refills the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
		It repeals and rescinds every green corporate welfare subsidy, stops illegal immigrants from getting tax credits, and remittances sent to foreign countries.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It supports small business, increasing the Section 199A deduction of 23 percent, incentivizes Made in America, creates new Trump saving accounts for newborns, expands access to child care for hardworking American families.
		It supports building new factories to grow domestic business operations.
		It helps American farmers, producers, and ranchers compete and sell products in foreign markets.
		The bill makes sure American farmers aren't crowded out by foreign imports in liquid fuel production markets.
		It holds woke, elitist universities accountable by increasing the endowment tax.
		I like that one.
		Protects hardworking taxpayers by canceling Biden's illegal and unfair student loan bailouts.
		I like that one, too.
		Ends taxpayer-funded sex changes.
		What?
		It's a once-in-a-generation chance to revolutionize our nation's defense capabilities and protect the homeland against new threats by funding President Trump's Golden Dome.
		It enhances the capacity of America's naval fleet, providing billions of dollars to the Navy.
		Modernizes air traffic control.
		We need that one.
		Strengthens SNAP benefits.
		Okay, I guess.
		I don't know.
		Implements critical program integrity and cost containment provisions.
		to Medicaid to strengthen it for future generations.
		Yeah, we need reforms there.
		Safeguard Second Amendment rights by removing tax and registration requirements for firearm silencers and eliminating silencers from the National Firearms Act.
		Pass the bill.
		I'm kidding, by the way, but yo.
		Guys, do you have any idea the amount of suppressors I am going to buy when Trump signs this?
		I'm going to walk in to my local gun store.
		I'm going to look around and say, I'll take it.
		And they're going to go, which one?
		I'm going to go, all of it.
		All of the suppressors.
		Yo, that is the thing I am most excited for.
		I know, I know.
		People are mad about deficit spending, but I want silencers.
		Suppressors, I mean.
		Suppressors.
		What did they say?
		They said silencers.
		Oh, that's wrong.
		Eliminating silencers, that's so awesome.
		I'm just, I'm so excited about that.
		Anyway.
		It provides critical disaster recovery funding to farmers, producers, and ranchers.
		I like that too, but I want a suppressor.
		It provides funding to rebuild America's military.
		You know, I don't really care all that much about spending a lot on the military.
		I want veterans to get paid well.
		I want veterans to get paid.
		I want disabled veterans to get benefits.
		I want wives and husbands and families that lose their parents and caretakers to conflict and crisis to receive these benefits, servicemen and women.
		And with Donald Trump opposing largely these foreign interventions, I have no problem with that spending.
		However, I do have concerns about what happens when Trump leaves if we set this massive budget and then a Democrat gets in and gets a hold of it.
		Therein lies the conundrum.
		It expands health-saving accounts to give Americans greater choice and flexibility.
		It gives $10,000 bonuses annually over the next four years to Border Patrol and ICE agents on the front lines.
		I'm definitely for that.
		It incentivizes scholarships that empower American families.
		It repeals Democrats' insane attack on the gig economy.
		Thank God!
		Man, reforms and streamlines the federal student loan program to drive down costs.
		Let's do it.
		Strengthens accountability for students and taxpayers on federal student loans.
		Implements critical reforms to Pell Grants.
		Increases timber sales on federal lands for it.
		It authorizes the sale of expanded spectrum megahertz to strengthen rural broadband.
		Let's go.
	It creates permanent fees that illegal immigrants must pay for their application.
	Let's go.
	Protecting family farmers, ending abusive financing practices in Medicaid, reigns in the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and rolls back harmful Biden air regulations that increase cost administrative burdens with limited flexibility for states.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's so simple to just come out and say, it overspends, it's bad.
		I look at it and I'm like, oh, they're overspending?
		What else is new?
		The question is, what do we do?
		Everybody's addicted to this because nobody wants to ever back off.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean...
		I don't care if Democrats take over in four years and reimplement everything Trump cuts.
		Just don't pass the bill.
		That's tough, isn't it?
		That's why I don't have good answers for you.
		I just want Trump to win this one.
		And I'm hoping that if the Trump administration secures the next four, five, six years, then with solidified control of a system and a unified vision for this nation, we can cut the bloat in the areas we need to have them cut.
		The challenge right now is we are still in the midst of a major culture war, where if by 2030 Republicans don't have control, and they may not, Democrats are going to screw with the census, and then we're just locked in forever.
		The world is not so easy to navigate.
		This is why you don't see me running for office.
		If I was going to, you know...
		They should be telling you, this may be bad, but we're doing it for these reasons.
		That's why we have to do it.
		And then you may just realize that we're all addicted to a system where eventually it's going to implode.
		And then what?
		I don't know, man.
		We keep spending like this.
		We can only maintain it by holding up the petrodollar, which means some kind of global policing, which is why Trump wants the Suez Canal.
		He wants the Panama Canal.
		He wants the Northwest Passage.
		Trump wants to be able to police the trade routes of the world's seas and oceans.
		He wants to control the global reserve currency and make America great again.
		So let me know what you guys think.
		I wish it were simple, but it ain't.
		And we're going to be joined by a good fellow, George Fishman, from the Center for Immigration Studies to talk about currently what's going on.
		I got a lot of questions about immigration, where we're currently at, what they know, and what we're seeing.
		So that interview will be in just a few minutes.
		For those that are watching this pre-recorded, it'll be up at 4 p.m.
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		Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all in the next portion of this show.
		We have this story from NBC News.
		Immigration arrests in courthouses have become the new deportation tool stripping migrants of a legal process.
		It's a lie, by the way, that's not stripping them in the legal process.
		What's happening is illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be here are going to these courts to try and get legitimate stay in this country.
		And when they are invariably denied because they're here illegally, they walk out of the courtroom and they get arrested immediately.
		Now NBC News says they're losing a legal process, but they broke the law and they're here illegally.
		And they still get their process, which is crazy.
		Check this out.
		They say after Julio David Perez Rodriguez attended an immigration hearing last week in pursuit of a refugee status in the U.S., the Cuban National was stopped by an undercover agent at the elevator, handcuffed and taken into custody.
		If you have done nothing illegal, why do you have me handcuffed?
		We're coming to this country to seek freedom.
		What is happening with this country, he said.
		You came here illegally, sought refugee status, was denied, and now you're being removed.
		They say he's one of dozens of immigrants caught in similar drag nets drawn in cities around the country since last week as the reality of President Donald Trump's mass deportation operation penetrates further into American families' consciousness.
		Now, I do have a question.
		What do you think, my friends, of Donald Trump's activities?
		We have this for President Trump's job approval, and I'm going to show you.
		It's really good.
		It's a great job approval rating.
		In fact, Trump is doing better, I think we have this right here, than Bush and Obama.
		Indeed he is.
		The only problem, take a look at this 20-point swing.
		Over a similar time period, Yahoo News has a minus 13, Erasmussen has him up 7. Trafalgar has him up 8. Over the exact same time period, Morning Consult has him down 5. Nobody knows.
		None of it makes sense.
		What I can say is right now.
		With everything Trump is doing, with the big, beautiful bill and all these plans, if the Republicans do not enact mass deportations of illegal immigrants, Democrats will mess with the census in 2030, and this will result in a major shift that grants them extra votes in the Electoral College, and they will never lose.
		Trump's got to get this job done right now so that the interests of the American people are what is being voted on.
		Because let me just express, let me say this before we jump to the interview.
		It is not about how many votes.
		It's about how many electoral votes.
		And some estimates say that California has upwards of 10 extra congressional electoral votes, sorry, and congressional seats because of their illegal immigrants.
	So we're going to be joined by George Fishman of the Center for Immigration Studies.
	And there's a lot to break down on this one.
	So let me pull him in right now and see if we can get this one working.
	Let's see.
	I think we're getting it going.
	It's giving me the business.
	Don't worry.
	We got it.
	There we go.
	Just a second.
	George, can you hear me?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Hi, hello.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear me?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		I can.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Welcome to the show.
		Thanks for joining me.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Thanks so much for having me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So would you like to just briefly introduce yourself for those who are not familiar with your work?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, I've been doing immigration since 1995.
		I worked as the Chief Counsel for the Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee's Immigration Subcommittee from 1998 to 2018.
		Then I worked at the Department of Homeland Security in the first Trump administration as a Deputy General Counsel at DHS.
		Now I'm at the Center for Immigration Studies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've got a bunch of big stories.
		We've got the Trump administration saying they want to ramp up mass deportations.
		One of the big stories we're seeing, of course, is the deportation of this man, his entire family, after he committed a terror attack in Boulder, Colorado.
		And Tom Homan saying that we're going to be dealing with 10 years of national security threats because of the Biden administration's open border policy.
		I'm curious if you have any information that can expand on that.
		Do you agree with what Tom Homan was saying?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		I don't have any particular non-public information, but I certainly agree with Mr. Homan.
		Large numbers of individuals from countries, state sponsors of terrorism, countries of concern, came in under the Biden administration.
		Certainly many even from Afghanistan during the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.
		And despite...
		So yeah, it's going to be a concern for a long time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you, just kind of as an aside, did you see that viral video where law enforcement officers approach a man in a car?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's an Afghan national who came to this country during that botched withdrawal, and then he shoots these cops?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		No, when did that happen?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think this was like a week or two ago.
		This viral video comes out.
		And I don't know the exact date of the shooting, but they pull this guy over.
		He's agitated and angry, and he has a gun.
		And he says he's from Afghanistan, and he hates this country, and he didn't want to be here, and he had to because of the botched withdrawal.
		And then there's like three cops, and he unloads on them.
		I think one of the cops may have got shot in the arm, but I feel like things like that is exactly what Tom Homan's talking about.
		So I'm curious.
		I know that, you know, we've talked about my opinion on these various reasons why they opened up the border and allowed, what, 10 plus million people to come in over four years.
		But in your research, is there is there a stated reason that they did this or do you think there's a hidden agenda as to why they open up the borders the way they did?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the not so hidden agenda from the Biden administration is they truly believe that anyone in the world who wanted to come to the United States had the right to come to the United States and to not let them in was ridiculous.
		To not let them in was inequitable.
		Things like that nature.
		So, yeah, so they used every method possible to bring in as many people as possible, just irregardless of the laws that Congress has passed, that presidents have signed.
		I went back for a few months about a year ago to assist the...
		This was one of the reasons he was impeached by the House of Representatives for abusing the law in order to allow mass numbers of people into the country who were inadmissible under the laws that Congress passed, that presidents have enacted into law.
		You know, these were his so-called Biden, so-called lawful pathways.
		In my mind, Biden's not-so-lawful pathway is to just get around the laws of this country to bring in as many people as possible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, a lot of people say 20 million is the number of illegal immigrants in the country.
		I think Tom Homan said something like 10 and a half million people came in over the past four years and now— But you've been doing this for a long time, so I'm curious, does it seem worse now than it was in the past?
		Yeah, go ahead.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly during the Biden administration, it's never been as bad as in the Biden administration.
		And hopefully, President Trump and his administration can make substantial progress in undoing the damage from the Biden administration.
		When I was at DHS in President Trump's first term, when daily apprehensions at the border hit 2,000 a day, that was, you know, it was an emergency.
		It was all hands on deck and emergency.
		And fortunately, the Trump administration then came up with mechanisms such as remain in Mexico, and this was all before COVID, to staunch the flow of people coming in from Mexico.
		But under the Biden administration, it was past 10,000 a day.
		It was unprecedented apprehensions on the border.
		It really was something never witnessed before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So your organization, what is your official stance?
		I suppose you could say you personally or your organization's stance on immigration.
		Is it safe, legal, controlled migration?
		Is it limited moratorium?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the Center for Immigration Studies view is we need – But yes, to decrease legal levels of immigration, to allow for assimilation, to protect American workers, to cut off the flow of illegal immigration.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, there's obviously a lot of views that can be encompassed within those goals, but those are the essential goals.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is the damage and the risk to this country by mass, unfettered illegal immigration?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, first, of course, is the damage to the rule of law, the loss of American sovereignty.
		It's, you know, many, many persons in very blue states and very liberal cities personally witnessed what happens when this mass, uncontrolled immigration.
		When all these aliens were allowed in or were even flown in by the Biden administration, flopped to cities like Chicago, New York, and what that did to the quality of life in these cities was dramatic.
		There's a representative, a Democratic representative from Arizona.
		Who basically said after the election, we Democrats lost the 2024 election because of two things, inflation and immigration.
		And it was the far left, he said it was the far left immigration policies of the Biden administration that defeated the Democrats in the 2024 election.
		So just ordinary people in liberal cities, in blue states, witnessing what happens to their quality of life.
		When there's mass uncontrolled immigration to their kids at school, to, you know, everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What are like, we've talked about them quite a bit, but I'm wondering if you have any specific examples of, it is easy to point out a lot of these stories where one viral video, for instance, there was an older black man went to his community center and it was cots and like makeshift sleeping quarters for illegal immigrants.
		Those kind of things are obvious.
		Are there any other examples you've witnessed where people in blue areas were experiencing the negative repercussions of mass illegal immigration?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		You pointed out exactly what I was thinking of.
		Those sort of things I've read in the newspapers, videos I've seen, town halls in cities around the country in which American minorities, blacks, Hispanics, You know, just ordinary people were fed up, were frustrated.
		That's exactly the sort of thing you were talking about.
		There was the massive budget deficits, the billions of dollars spent on, you know, housing and feeding and all this massive number of, you know, of aliens.
		it was the crime.
		Certainly cities...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Taking apartments over.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		You know, essentially, none of it had to happen.
		It happened because of the policies of the Biden administration.
		And, you know, it was, you know, as the House pointed out when it impeached Biden's DHS secretary, Mayorkas.
		It was bad enough that they came in with these crazy ideas.
		You know, Biden was going to be the anti-Trump on immigration, do the exact opposite of everything Trump did.
		Okay, they came in like that.
		Even worse was the fact that once the effects of that became apparent, the effects on America, on Americans, they didn't change course.
		It's one thing if they came in with crazy ideas, realized the effects, negative effects they were having on the country and said, whoa, we got to change things.
		This isn't working out like we...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do think, though, a couple of things.
		First, I think Democrats are trying to cheat the election, and it's not the way that most people think.
		They claim that illegal immigrants are voting to the millions.
		I know Trump made some claims like this, but I don't think that's it.
		I think what we've seen, I think it was even your organization had pointed this out.
		States like California get extra congressional seats by allowing illegal immigrants to be counted, to stay, be protected, and they count them in the census.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		Some states lose representatives.
		Some states gain representatives.
		On population changes driven by illegal immigration.
		That's exactly right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, though.
		I was talking with Moms for Liberty the other day.
		She was mentioning this gender ideology stuff in schools, and I asked, where is it all coming from?
		She points out that the UN, the World Health Organization, are sending these people out to espouse this ideology.
		And not that I'm asking you about specifically that thing, that stuff, but it is curious that—
		I'm curious if you've seen anything that correlates this, or I guess I suppose I can ask, why does it appear to be happening all over the West, from Europe to the U.S.?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't know if it was necessarily the UN, but certainly the UN has been funding the path of illegal immigrants to the United States, giving them out cards with money in them to let them come across through Mexico and have money as they come through Mexico and traverse to the US border.
		So our tax dollars have gone to the UN to fund giving money to illegal aliens to ease their journey.
		To the United States.
		So that has definitely happened.
		But it's just the elite view.
		There's no, at least in the United States, there's no issue where there's a bigger divergence between elite opinion and the opinion of average Americans regarding immigration.
		Just dramatic differences.
		And one thing I noted, and I wrote about this, for about 20 to 30 years, Democrat voters were trending dramatically towards open borders, lack of concern about illegal immigration from the 90s to up until the Biden administration.
		And suddenly that turned around.
		Polling results indicate that just regular Democrat voters
		I remember in 1996 when I was just starting out on immigration in the U.S. Congress, a majority of House Democrats voted For the 1996 immigration enforcement legislation, dramatic immigration enforcement legislation, ultimately signed by President Clinton, supported at least during one vote by a majority of House Democrats.
		Then we get to 2005, the next big immigration enforcement bill that hit the House floor.
		It was down to 19% of Democrats.
		Wow.
		We get to 2018.
		The next big bill, the first bill was Lamar Smith's.
		Second bill was James Sensenbrenner's.
		Third bill in 2018, Bob Goodlatte.
		Zero House Democrats voted for it.
		Zero.
		So that just shows the shift that occurred because, you know, the extinction of the blue dog Democrats, the shift that occurred over decades.
		And it started turning around when people, you know, saw in their communities what was happening during the Biden administration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's almost like an accelerationism of sorts that the average Democrat voter didn't see it and didn't care and just said, sure, it's a good thing until it was in their school, in their community.
		I remember, I think it was the Democrat primaries for the 2020 cycle.
		All of the Democrats on stage were asked, would you decriminalize?
		Yeah, a lot of people woke up to what that really meant.
		And I think a lot of that had to do with, say, Texas Governor Greg Abbott sending busloads of people to other states.
		We recently were talking about even Jon Stewart said it was a brilliant move.
		Make them reap what they have sown.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		It was a brilliant move by the governor, but it wasn't just him.
		It was also Biden's DHS sending people to these cities.
		It wasn't just Abbott.
		It was sort of like a combined effort by Biden's DHS and Governor Abbott.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what people don't realize is how dangerously close we were.
		To losing the will of the American people?
		Because you take a look at the election, we've got Democrats that lose by a few percentage points nationally.
		And although Trump did, he won all the swing states for obvious reasons.
		But it is really close with one political party in favor of, at least at the political level, open borders and non-citizens even voting in elections in places like New York and San Francisco, other jurisdictions.
		There's a video right now from a reporter, Nick Shirley, where the FBI was conducting a raid reportedly on human traffickers and progressive protesters try to shut it down.
		They come out and protest this.
		When I see leftist, liberal, Democrat personalities advocating for the right of non-citizens to vote, and voting to a great degree for politicians who support this, If that trend continued for even a few more years, then the will of the American citizen would be gone.
		Because you're not going to be able to compete with an ever-increasing open border, a country that allows non-citizens to vote and then also allows non-citizens to come into the tune of millions every year.
		So with that being said, I think we did narrowly avoid that with Trump coming in.
		Now here's the obvious question.
		I think I know what your answer is going to be.
		How would you rate the Trump administration's efforts now with the Biden?
		You know, he's gone.
		How's Trump doing?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		In terms of immigration, obviously, at the border, a remarkable shutdown of the border.
		You know, for years, the Biden administration was saying these are forces beyond our control.
		This was global warming.
		This was, you know, this was collapse in other countries.
		Whether or not there was global warming, human-caused global warming, whether or not there was a lot of violent crime in other countries, it's been that way for a long time, and that didn't stop things from changing the second that President Trump came into office.
		It's going to be a lot more difficult to deal with the population.
		Illegal aliens who are already in the country than it is keeping aliens out who are not here yet.
		I say that for a few reasons, and it's one of the reasons I have advocated that President Trump should seriously consider invoking the Insurrection Act to allow the U.S. military to take direct law enforcement roles in deportation efforts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		That can do it.
		ICE has about 6,000 officers nationwide.
		You know, that clearly they're doing all they can with the resources they have.
		But still, 6,000 officers dealing with all these sanctuary cities and states.
		I would certainly think the direct assistance of the military and its efforts would be beneficial.
		But, you know, in terms of removing...
		3.6 million case backlog.
		3.6 million cases.
		Years and years and decades to get through all those cases.
		Most of these aliens, especially those who Biden just released, we don't know where they are in the country.
		There are over a million aliens.
		Who already have final orders of removal.
		There's no more process that you have to go through.
		They have final orders of removal.
		We don't know where they are.
		So it's tracking those people down.
		The highest number of aliens who got removal orders and were removed from the interior of the U.S. in a year.
		I'm not talking about at the border.
		In the interior of the U.S., the highest number ever in a year was actually under the deporter-in-chief, Barack Obama, 2000, it was 2008 or 2009, 238,000.
unidentified		Wow.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		The highest ever.
		So, you know, I think equally or if not more important than official removals are going to be efforts to persuade aliens.
		To leave the country voluntarily.
		You know, the Trump administration is offering $1,000 to leave.
		I think it has been and needs to further ramp up worksite enforcement because it's always been agreed the number one magnet to the United States for illegal immigrants is jobs.
		If those jobs can be cut off, and there are various ways to do that.
		I proposed some recently, but that would...
		In terms of removing cartel members, the president promised to use the Alien Enemies Act.
		Back in 2023, I believe I was the first person to suggest a pathway that would actually be able to use the Alien Enemies Act to remove cartel members.
		And, you know, not that necessarily anyone reads my stuff.
		I know my wife doesn't, but that was sort of the theory that the president was using, that, you know, this Venezuelan gang is under the control, is associated with part of the Venezuelan government.
		So it's actually, it's crimes in the U.S. are an act of a foreign government.
		They were predatory incursion, and therefore, the Alien Enemies Act can be legitimately invoked.
		I think we need to, in my own personal opinion, get past these due process issues, adhere to court orders, get the Supreme Court to bless the use of the Alien Enemies Act in this way, and then it will be an extremely powerful tool, because when the president can use the Alien Enemies Act to remove aliens, You get around this 3.6 million case backlog.
		It's a way to get around that gigantic roadblock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I want to clarify, too, with the Insurrection Act, the president has the right to invoke this if laws are not being enforced.
		And so it's not just that the president says, I have the military and we're going to do whatever we want.
		He makes a declaration.
		He declares an insurrection, outlining specifically.
		And here's the example.
		California, a sanctuary state, they call it, where they're not deporting known criminal aliens.
		Trump has the authority under the Insurrection Act to say, you have stopped enforcing the law, so we can now summon the National Guard.
		He can take control of the California National Guard.
		I was going to say Canada accidentally.
		The California National Guard.
		And then order them to begin the standard law enforcement process.
		Everything being discussed, the liberal elements of media are going to claim it's fascistic, but it's all codified U.S. law.
		Britain created past to be used for these purposes.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		You are exactly right.
		In my opinion, you are exactly right.
		The Insurrection Act has gotten a lot of bad press.
		But let me tell you some of the examples of when it's been used in the past.
		It was used by President Ulysses S. Grant.
		To fight the Ku Klux Klan in the South after World War II.
		It was used by President Grover Alexander to protect Chinese immigrant minors against rioters in Washington state, you know, a hundred whatever years ago.
		It was used by President Dwight Eisenhower, Lyndon Johnson, John F. Kennedy to protect people during the civil rights movement.
		So it's been used.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		After the Civil War, you mean, right?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		All these times, and I think this is another very legitimate purpose.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we need to stop being so scared of the opinions of news publications and people who are actively destroying this country.
		They want you to feel shame for utilizing law enforcement and the law as it was prescribed and used before because they want illegal immigrants to flood this country.
		And anything Trump does, they're going to claim is fascistic or evil.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I agree.
		Was it fascistic and evil when Ulysses S. Grant used it, when Lyndon Johnson used it, when John F. Kennedy used it?
		Let's treat everyone with the same standard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, I do appreciate you joining me to talk about all of this stuff, especially considering how big the issue of immigration has gotten.
		Where can people hear more or find more about the work you guys are doing?
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
		If they'd like to, they can go to the website of the Center for Immigration Studies.
		They can take a look at the publications, I and the other.
		People at CIS have written, and podcasts, and all sorts of things like that.
		And I really appreciate you giving me the chance to be on with you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much.
		Well, I do appreciate it.
		Thanks for coming on.
		We look forward to seeing more from you guys, and we'll see you next time.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		Thanks so much.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have a good one.
george fishman ▲ ● ▼		You too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That was Center for Immigration Studies.
		Really amazing stuff.
		They put on a lot of great information.
		Obviously, they work in D.C. And it is, I think, the most important takeaway from this before we send you all off to our friend The Quartering.
		Final thoughts on this is we need to stop being so worried about the opinions of the New York Times.
		People on the right, conservatives, whatever you want to call them.
		The use of these laws that exist and have existed for hundreds of years, like the Alien Enemies Act, they're trying to make that a negative, saying it's an old law from the 1700s.
		Uh-huh, yeah, and?
		So it's been around forever?
		That's a good thing.
		That means we're not talking about Trump.
		And as cronies passing laws to be fascists, we're talking about Trump saying, hey, this law is already on the books.
		This is a normal function of our government to deal with criminals, criminal aliens and invasive incursions.
		And so we should.
		And then they argue it's fascistic.
		Get out of here.
		None of that.
		We have a right to enforce our immigration laws.
		And Trump and the Republicans, the right, disfected liberals, whoever it may be, should feel no shame in saying the Insurrection Act exists specifically when you are not enforcing laws.
		And so it's time for these deportations.
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