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May 14, 2025 - Tim Pool Daily Show

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Democrats ON ALERT As Trump May PARDON Derek Chauvin, RIOTS Feared

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Democrats are on high alert.
		Minnesota is preparing for potential riots as rumors have begun to circulate that Donald Trump will pardon Derek Chauvin.
		I'm not sure I think it's actually going to happen, but this is the story that's being reported on numerous outlets.
		Most importantly, Minnesota and Minneapolis are taking this very seriously.
		Personally, I think Donald Trump should pardon Derek Chauvin on the merits.
		Some have argued, we've had these conversations, that Trump shouldn't do it.
		And the reason is, it's political death.
		It's going to be really bad for the Donald Trump administration if he pardons a guy largely perceived by the black community as having just killed an innocent, unarmed black man, whether it's true or not.
		And so I think it was Hotep Jesus, who was on Tim Castile, who said, listen, knock down a wall in the prison, give Chauvin a double-wide, bring in some beautiful women and say, this is your life for now, but we're going to make it comfortable.
		Me?
		I don't know that I take the utilitarian approach.
		And probably would take more of a deontological approach.
		Derek Chauvin should not be in prison.
		And I've got the facts and the details to break down why.
		Now, several months ago, Ben Shapiro came out and called for the pardon of Derek Chauvin at the federal level by the Trump administration.
		Many people thought this was a terrible idea.
		Why would you bring this up now?
		Chauvin's not even in the news, but Ben is correct.
		You don't kind of like the guy, but he's right.
		Chauvin should not be in jail.
		And let me show you all the details.
		Let me keep it simple as we get started.
		Chauvin arrived after the fact.
		Chauvin arrived with George Floyd already having a resisted arrest, being on the ground and restrained, and he engaged in a practice that Minneapolis police had trained police to do.
		Now, one can make the argument that Chauvin applied it incorrectly, and he did bad.
		He exhibited poor judgment.
		And you can hold the police department, in my opinion, responsible for this.
		The issue here is...
		One, George Floyd did have a lethal level of fentanyl in his system, and I've got the facts to back that up and prove it.
		I'll show you.
		The argument is the system is broken, and I believe the reason that all of the other officers, as well as Chauvin, were convicted was because the police department did not want to take responsibility for a practice that they believe, well, I don't think they thought it was wrong.
		I think the people didn't like it.
		And they didn't want to accept responsibility, so they made Chauvin their martyr.
		Chauvin was then criminally charged at the federal level and while in federal prison was stabbed 22 times.
		I'm going to break this story down for you.
		The story of George Floyd is a tragedy.
		It is.
		But we're talking about a man that was chewing on what's called a speedball, meth and fentanyl, behind the wheel of a car.
		They claim he was only stopped because he tried to use a counterfeit 20. The police found him behind the wheel of a car.
		With drugs.
		And he spat the speedball out in the back of his car.
		They found it.
		They found the drugs in his system.
		He resisted arrest.
		The police were authorized to use a taser on George Floyd.
		Again, I got the proof to back it up.
		We tracked all of this.
		Why this man went to prison is obvious.
		It was political.
		And people aren't accepting it these days.
		Before we get started, my friends, shout out to Stephen Crowder and the Mug Club for shouting us out.
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	Here's the news, ladies and gentlemen.
	It's a-coming.
	Minneapolis and state leaders prepare for possible Derek Chauvin pardon.
	This story, of course, dropping last night at 11 p.m.
	Multiple sources told Eyewitness News that Governor Tim Walz and the Minnesota National Guard, Mayor Jacob Frey, Hennepin County Sheriff DeWanna Witt, have all been briefed on preparations for possible civil unrest.
	If President Trump pardons former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin for his federal conviction of killing George Floyd, full stop.
	I don't think Trump's going to do it.
	I think they're playing games here.
	I think they put out this statement because they're trying to attack Trump.
	Ben Shapiro kicked this whole thing off.
	Now, to be fair...
	It wasn't just Ben, but there's a lot of personalities that have consistently called for the pardoning at the federal level of Derek Chauvin.
	I mean, he should get a full pardon across the board.
	State level, it's not going to happen.
	They're Democrats.
	Donald Trump could pardon the federal charges.
	We could see what happens.
	More importantly, Harmeet Dillon could bring about civil rights claims against Minnesota at the state level for violating the rights of Derek Chauvin, which they did.
	And I can prove it with a statement from the judge.
	I got it all pulled up, my friends.
	He outright said there will be no fairer trial anywhere in this state.
	I'm not kidding.
	And they still played this game with jurors being brought to the court under armed guard, razor wire fences and riots.
	That was not a fair trial.
	But I digress.
	I don't think Trump's going to.
	Maybe he will.
	And maybe the reason that they're actually prepping for this is because they've Trump has indicated he wants to make this move.
	Maybe the reason Ben Shapiro came out and made this statement is that he knows something we don't.
	Indeed.
	When asked by White House reporters in March about pardoning Chauvin, President Trump said, no, I have not heard about that.
	Sources also told KSTP the Minnesota Department of Corrections is ready to pick up Chauvin at a federal penitentiary in Arizona and bring him back to Oak Park Heights prison in Minnesota to serve the remainder of his 22 and a half year sentence.
	Over the weekend, Attorney General Ellison told MSNBC that Chauvin will not be set free.
	He still owes Minnesota 22 and a half years, and he's going to do it in either Minnesota or somewhere, but he's not getting out, said Ellison.
	Then on Monday, when asked about the possibility of a pardon, Governor Walz told reporters no indication whether they're going to do it or not, but I think it behooves us to be prepared for it.
	With this presidency, it seems like something they would do.
	Sources also said that the city of Minneapolis is almost certain that next week the U.S. DOJ will file a petition with the court to end the consent decree over reform at MPD.
	If that happens, sources said the city would file a brief challenging the DOJ's filing, and it could then take up to six weeks to get a ruling for the judge.
	As many of you may or may not be aware, Harmeet Dillon, I want to make sure I get her title proper.
	Because she's heading up civil rights with the AG.
	So Harmeet Dillon, American lawyer and Republican Party official serving as the U.S. Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division.
	Amazing.
	Let's pull this up and learn a little bit about what she can do.
	The Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice enforces federal statutes prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race, sex, disability, religion, and national origin.
	The division was established in December 9th, 1957.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	We get it.
	We understand.
	I believe she could.
	But I don't think they're going to.
	I'm just saying it is within the possibility.
	I'm not so sure it's going to happen.
	I don't know why the Trump administration would want to sacrifice any political capital they may need over Derek Chauvin.
	And that's the sad reality.
	If it were me, I'd do it.
	Yeah, I know most of you would too.
	Maybe it's because we're...
	Political brutes, I guess.
	You know, I seriously think it.
	Tell me if I'm wrong, you guys in the chat, in the comments.
	I think 90-plus percent of you guys who watch this channel, I, instantly, upon getting in office, would pardon Derek Chauvin.
	Now, to be fair, maybe not instantly, because I'd want a strategy.
	But I would come out and outright say, it's not a trolley problem.
	I'm not playing games.
	A man who should not be in prison will not be in prison for one day longer.
	Pardon.
	And I'm a crazy person.
	I wouldn't let them take him to Minnesota.
	I wouldn't do it.
	He's in Arizona.
	I'd say the man will not be brought to Minnesota.
	It's not happening.
	Goodbye.
	So I don't know how much the president can actually do in those regards, but that's the kind of thing that I think should happen.
	I believe that there is a...
	Right.
	There is a truth.
	And you know what I really do not like?
	What I really do not like about all of this stuff that we see in this country is politics over justice.
	Do you agree with me that there is a truth?
	Most of you will say yes.
	Insane people would.
	And then Derek Chauvin should not be in prison.
	Okay?
	So then we let him go.
	But hold on.
	Half the country is going to lose their mind and claim you're doing evil things.
	Don't care.
	I don't care.
	I do not take action based on what other people falsely believe.
	And I don't think, I think very few people actually engage in these behaviors.
	And that being said, I don't think Donald Trump would pardon this guy.
	Now, currently right now...
	There are wildfires burning in Minnesota, 20,000 acres.
	I think this story has not been picked up far and wide.
	But as of right now, the National Guard has been deployed to assist with these massive wildfires.
	I think this is very important in the context because, you know, they're warning the National Guard and the sheriffs and the police like, hey, get ready if Trump pardons this guy.
	Right now, with this stuff going on, they're not ready for any kind of riot.
	Though I think riots are entirely possible.
	Here's where it gets really brutal.
	November 21st, 2024.
	Inmate charged with stabbing Derek Chauvin 22 times has trial set for 2025.
	Derek Chauvin was stabbed 22 times in the law library at the Federal Correctional Institution in Tucson, Arizona, with an improvised knife, federal prosecutors said.
	Chauvin was hospitalized following the attack but released from the hospital days later.
	He is serving a 21-year sentence in federal prison for violating George Floyd's civil rights.
	The time is being served concurrently with Chauvin's murder conviction in state court.
	Chauvin was transferred to a federal prison in Texas about nine months after the stabbing, according to the AP.
	He is now housed in the federal correction institution in Big Spring, which is a low-security prison.
	Chauvin was the officer seen kneeling on Floyd's neck for minutes, even after Floyd passed out.
	His officers arrested him for allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill at Cup Foods in Minneapolis.
	So they say, I'd like to add, the man was chewing on a speedball behind the wheel of a car, spat it into the backseat.
	They found it.
	So they were arresting him.
	He resisted arrest, demanded personally to be placed on the ground.
	His words, Chauvin arrived after the fact to see a man who was being restrained.
	And then he used an MPD authorized and trained restraint on Chauvin.
	Now, the argument after the fact is that Floyd became unresponsive and Chauvin should have then applied medical treatment.
	If the argument then is that this man, Chauvin, was negligent in his duties, what does he get?
	A few years in prison?
	Or he gets fired?
	A suspended sentence?
	House arrest for several years, probation.
	Listen, I don't want anybody to die.
	George Floyd was not a saint.
	It's still sad that he died.
	But this was never a story about a police officer who maliciously murdered a black man.
	It's a story about, at worst, a cop who, under his training, was stupid and negligent.
	That's the worst case scenario.
	In which case, maybe...
	You'd want to charge him with, I don't know, negligence and he'd be sentenced to two years for which he'd be out already.
	And then the left argues that cops never get held to account.
	This is not that case.
	The other officers involved who did not kneel on George Floyd and did nothing also went to prison.
	Why?
	Negligence.
	That's what they claimed.
	Aiding and abetting a homicide is what they're actually claiming.
	Let me show you.
	We'll break it all down.
	Take a look at this story from NPR.
	Judge in Chauvin trial denies request to move trial out of Minneapolis.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Minneapolis, where rioters were burning everything down, and the judge said, nah, nah, you try him here.
	That's ludicrous.
	Here's what the judge said, quote, I do not think that would give the defendant any kind of a fair trial beyond what we are doing here today.
	I don't think there's any place in the state of Minnesota that has not been subjected to extreme amounts of publicity in this case.
	Cahill also denied a defense motion to delay the proceedings so that Chauvin's trial will surely attract media attention no matter what it takes, when it takes place.
	The case is being closely watched, watched closely, having sparked a national debate on racial injustice and police brutality.
	Chauvin is white.
	Floyd was black.
	You know what really bothers me?
	The Ahmaud Arbery case.
	Conservatives and disaffected liberals all came out and clapped and cheered and said, see, see?
	The McMichaels and William Bryan are going to prison.
	We are not racist.
	Even though the Ahmaud Arbery case was also a travesty of justice.
	And it shouldn't have gone down the way it did.
	Once again, maybe you want to argue this.
	The McMichaels, for those that aren't familiar with the story, pursued a man who was suspected of burglarizing a property.
	He was.
	Several guns had been stolen from vehicles.
	There was a guy constantly seen in the neighborhood who didn't live there.
	He was seen entering a home on multiple occasions that he did not own.
	It was under construction, but it was still enclosed.
	Though he didn't take anything, they believed this guy, maybe the guy.
	Why?
	Because the police went around with this picture asking for information on him.
	Now the McMichaels were told not to pursue.
	Okay, they should not have.
	And this led to a scuffle.
	Where because they cut off Arbery and he was enclosed by Bryan, Arbery attacked and it resulted in his death.
	The McMichaels should not have gone to prison for life and William Bryan either.
	Now, some have argued Bryan, of all people, probably should because he admitted to actually trying to block the guy in.
	Either way, it's a story where this man was believed to have committed a felony for which, according to the law, it is vague.
	They may have had the right to try and pursue a man they believed committed a felony.
	Instead, all these conservatives come out being like, yay!
	That was never the case.
	This dude was, they said he was jogging in this neighborhood.
	As if anyone believes that you're jogging and you go into someone else's property.
	But I digress.
	When the George Floyd case happened and Chauvin was being charged, many conservatives came out and said, it's a travesty.
	It's bad.
	I can't believe this happened.
	Now, my view was very much in line with what many people believed.
	I'm not going to cut myself any extra bonuses or slack.
	When I saw the initial video of George Floyd being kneeled on on the neck, I was shocked.
	And that's why many people were.
	It's like, wait, wait, wait, why are you kneeling on that guy like that?
	Get up like he's dying.
	And then came the leaks.
	The full body camera footage showing exactly what happened.
	Chauvin wasn't even there.
	Did you know that?
	Floyd was already on the ground, subdued.
	Chauvin showed up later, not knowing what was going on.
	And began to use what he was trained with, his practices.
	Now, by all means, if you want to argue that he should have stopped and should have done something or otherwise and he was negligent, okay, let's have that conversation.
	Let that be the charge.
	But they didn't.
	They said he was a racist who killed the black man.
	Take a look at this.
	Court asked to void verdict against ex-cop in Floyd's murder.
	An attorney for Derek Chauvin asked an appeals court on Wednesday, and mind you, this is January of 23. To throw out the former Minneapolis officer's conviction, arguing the legal and procedural errors deprived him of a fair trial.
	They say, quote, Yep.
	Now I got a question for y 'all.
	What do you think happens when I ask our good friend Chet GPT if that constitutes a fair trial?
	Well, I'm going to show you.
	They say Neil Kettiel, special attorney for the state, said Chauvin got one of the most transparent and thorough trials in our nation's history.
	Chauvin's many arguments before this court do not come close to justifying a reversal.
	It's why I could never be a lawyer.
	I could never be a lawyer.
	I'd be like, you know, I understand everybody's entitled to a criminal defense.
	And the state is entitled to their arguments as well.
	Bro, if I worked for the state as a prosecutor and this case came before me, I would, I'd just walk at a judge and be like, let him go.
	Goodbye.
	Seriously.
	Well, here we go.
	Let's talk with our good friend, Chet GPT, about exactly what happened on that day.
	You're going to love this.
	I will show you the questions I asked and the responses I received so you will understand.
	And you can make a determination as to whether or not I am biased.
	Did George Floyd have a lethal level of fentanyl in his system when he died?
	It's a question I asked.
	GPT responds, George Floyd's toxicology report indicated a fentanyl concentration of 11 nanograms per milliliter in his blood.
	Well, this level can be considered high.
	Determining a lethal dose of fentanyl is complex and varies based on individual factors such as tolerance, body weight, and overall health.
	In some instances, individuals have succumbed to fentanyl overdoses at lower concentrations, while others have survived higher levels.
	George Floyd had 11 nanograms per milliliter in his blood.
	Dr. Andrew Baker, the chief medical examiner of Hennepin County, noted that if Floyd had been found deceased without any other contributing factors, the fentanyl level might suggest an overdose.
	However, in Floyd's case, Dr. Baker concluded the primary cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement, subdual restraint and neck compression, classifying as a homicide.
	Indeed, he stated, if they found George Floyd in a room just dead, they'd have called it a fentanyl overdose.
	During the trial, a former officer, Derek Chauvin, multiple medical experts corroborated the assessment.
	For instance, Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist, testified that Floyd died from a lack of oxygen due to the manner of restraint, not from a drug overdose.
	Similarly, forensic pathologist Dr. Lindsay Thomas stated there was no evidence to suggest Floyd would have died the night absent the police restraint.
	In summary, while George Floyd had a significant level of fentanyl in his system, medical examinations and expert testimonies concluded that his death resulted from a combined efforts of police restraint and underlying health conditions with drug presence being a contributing but not sole factor.
	Here's what I love.
	There's more.
	Just wait.
	I didn't ask it how George Floyd died.
	I just asked if he had fentanyl in his system.
	Did he have a lethal level of fentanyl in his system?
	Why then?
unidentified		Did it go on and on about, no, no, no, it didn't kill him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't ask you that.
		The simple answer is, yes.
		Next question.
		I said, what is a typical fentanyl overdose level?
		JGPD says a typical fentanyl overdose level is often cited being around three nanograms per milliliter or higher in the blood.
unidentified		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's try that one again.
		George Floyd had 11 nanograms per milliliter.
		So when I asked you if he had a lethal level, you could have responded with...
		Yes, the amount of fentanyl in George Floyd's system is typically associated with overdose levels at three times the average rate for an overdose.
		However, you can then say whatever you want.
		ChatGPT, we love how fried your brain is.
		But don't worry.
		All I'm doing is asking these questions.
		I didn't tell it what to say.
		It said what it said.
		Here's what I asked.
		You're going to love this one.
		When Derek Chauvin arrived on scene, was George Floyd already on the ground?
		Well, as I already said in this video, you guys know, of course he was.
		George Floyd was already on the ground.
		Listen to this.
		When Derek Chauvin arrived on scene on May 25, 2020, George Floyd was not yet on the ground.
		Heavens me, I guess Tim Pool was wrong, right?
		Let me read on.
		At that point, officers Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kung had already approached Floyd, who was seated in a vehicle, and handcuffed him.
		They attempted to place him in the back of a police car, but Floyd resisted, expressing anxiety and stating he was claustrophobic.
		During the struggle, Floyd fell to the ground while still handcuffed.
		Chauvin and Officer To Thau arrived shortly thereafter.
		Wait a minute!
		Chauvin joined the effort to restrain Floyd, ultimately kneeling on his neck while Floyd was lying face down to the pavement.
		This restraint continued for over nine minutes, during which Floyd repeatedly stated that he could not breathe.
		The incident was captured on video and led to widespread protests and call for police reform.
		Hold on there a gosh darn minute.
		When Chauvin arrived on scene, Floyd was not yet on the ground.
		Floyd fell to the ground.
		Chauvin and Officer Tao arrived shortly thereafter.
		Okay.
		Here's my response.
		I'm confused.
		Your statement starts by saying Floyd wasn't on the ground when Chauvin arrived, but then saying he fell on the ground after Chauvin arrived, which is it?
		You're right to be confused, let me clarify.
		When Derek Chauvin arrived at the scene, George Floyd was already on the ground.
		Officer Langenkog approached Floyd in his car and handcuffed him.
		He was chewing on a speedball.
		That's meth and that's methamphetamines and fentanyl combined.
		They tried to play something in the squad car, but he resisted, saying he was claustrophobic.
		During the struggle, before Chauvin arrived, Floyd ended up on the ground face down.
		Chauvin arrived shortly after Floyd was already on the ground and proceeded to help restrain him by kneeling on his neck.
		I then asked, did MPD provide training on the use of neck restraints using the knee?
		Heavens me, look at all of these images it provides.
		Yes, the Minneapolis Police Department did provide training on neck restraints, including techniques involving the use of a knee.
		According to MPD's use of force policy in effect at the time, neck restraints were defined as a non-deadly force option involving compression of one or both sides of a person's neck with an arm or a leg without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway.
		The policy outlined two types of neck restraints, the conscious and unconscious.
		Training materials from MBD included images demonstrating the application of an EE to the suspect's neck area as part of the neck restraint technique.
		One such image submitted during court proceedings showed an officer using a knee-on-neck restraint with the caption, OK, they are in handcuffs, now what?
		The accompanying text advised officers to place subject in the recovery position and alleviate positional asphyxia and to call emergency services once the suspect is in handcuffs.
		However, during the trial of Derek Chauvin, MPD's use of force trainer Lieutenant Johnny Mersel testified that while neck restraints were part of the training, the specific technique of placing a knee on the neck was not taught as a standard practice.
		Don't know, don't care.
		It was part of their training protocol.
		Again, if you want to argue that Chauvin did wrong by not providing the recovery position, I'm willing to listen.
		But the charges at the federal level and what they brought against him was that he killed a black man intentionally because he was black.
		That's the civil rights claim.
		There's more.
		I asked Chachi PT.
		Based on the resistance that George Floyd exhibited, would the use of a taser be consistent with MPD protocol?
		The Minneapolis Police Department had specific guidelines given the use of tasers, particularly in situations involving resistance during arrests.
		According to MPD's use of force policy, effective as of August 21st, 2020, the deployment of a taser was considered appropriate when a subject was actively resisting or exhibiting aggressive behavior.
		That posed a threat to officers or others.
		The policy emphasized the use of a taser should be proportional to the subject's behavior and the threat level.
	In the case of George Floyd, body camera footage and witness accounts indicate that while he was initially resistant to being placed in the squad car, he was already handcuffed on the ground when Chauvin arrived on scene.
	At that point, Floyd was not actively resisting in a manner that would typically warrant the use of a taser under MPD policy.
	My response?
	I did not ask about Chauvin.
	I asked about the resistance.
	Under Minneapolis MPD policy at the time, a taser could be used on a subject actively resisting arrest, which George Floyd did during the attempt to place him in the squad car.
	That is, before Chauvin arrived, they could have struck him with a taser and electrocuted him.
	They didn't.
	Chauvin used a restraint that he was trained to use, and the argument is largely that he did not provide Medical treatment when George Floyd became unresponsive.
	Now, I have a simple argument.
	If you're talking about beyond a reasonable doubt, I've got some problems here.
	Why was the officer who held back the crowd arrested?
	I don't have too much time because we are going to be joined by Viva Frey in a moment.
	Basically, they said he was holding the crowd back and he should have intervened.
	He was able, I asked, was he able to see both the crowd and Floyd at the same time?
	Yes, he was.
	That's actually part of why he was convicted.
	He could see that Floyd was restraining this man and the crowd.
	I say that's ridiculous.
	Ridiculous.
	To Thao, however you pronounce his name, has to keep an eye on all of these people in front of him who could attack him and the other cops.
	In what sane reality does it make sense that an officer is going to allow people to intervene?
	I think I asked that question.
	I didn't ask it.
	I thought I did ask if...
	Oh, here we are.
	Our police trained to allow bystanders to intervene in the arrests because they argued he should have.
	No, they're not.
	My friends, there are many other officers involved.
	To Thao, J. Alexander Kung, and Thomas Lane all went to jail.
	Why?
	It's political.
	I'm going to wrap up this portion.
	Because we're going to be jumping to our interview conversation with Viva Fry about these issues and other cases.
	General conversation.
	Stoked to have them.
	It'll be fun.
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	For everybody else.
	See, I do that for the editing.
	We're going to jump to some of these other stories real quick.
	Kick things off before we get into this interview with Viva Frye.
	We have heard many statements from prominent individuals, largely in the political space, calling for the pardoning of Derek Chauvin.
	We have this from Marjorie Taylor Greene saying, I strongly support Derek Chauvin being pardoned and released from prison.
	George Floyd died of a drug overdose.
	We've got a bunch of other stories too.
	The FBI investigating another attempted arson at a Tesla dealership.
	We've got...
	Tesla doxing attacks wrongly targeting non-owners.
	It is getting pretty dang intense in this country.
	I have another statement here, actually.
	No, I don't.
unidentified		I don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But many people are agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Greene in calling for the pardoning of Derek Chauvin, which some fear could lead to riots.
		So joining us to have this conversation and talk about what's currently going on and get his take on things will be Viva Frye, who I am pulling in right now.
		Let's see if we get this to load properly.
		Sometimes it takes a second.
		There we go.
		We got Viva.
		He's popping in right now.
		Get this pulled up.
		Viva, can you hear me?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		I can hear you.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		I can't see you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just a second.
		You will see me in a second.
		Can you see me now?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I feel so dirty doing this digitally, Tim.
		We always see each other in person.
		How are you doing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing pretty well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How about yourself?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Not bad.
		I heard the news.
		I've been following the markets, but Chauvin hasn't yet hit 99% on the Calci markets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, he hasn't.
		Well, let's talk about it, man.
		There's a lot to break down in this case and a whole bunch of other case and increase in left-wing violence.
		So the reporting is out of Minnesota, they're preparing for potential riots because they've been briefed on two things.
		One, that Trump may pardon Chauvin, but more importantly, that there may be preparations to move Chauvin from, I believe he's in Arizona, to Minnesota.
		Yeah.
		No, he hasn't.
		I mean, so you're a lawyer.
		I know you are Canadian, but you have covered this and a bunch of other stories.
		I don't think they're going to do it.
		And just before we kick into the big picture on Summer of Love and all these riots and threats of violence, you think this could happen?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he would do it because...
		There's no political benefit to doing it, period.
		There's no justice benefit because he's serving 21, 22 years for the state-level conviction for which the pardon at a federal level will have no impact.
		Arguably, it would only make things worse if he gets transferred to a state prison in Minnesota where they probably want him dead anyhow.
		But there's no political benefit to be had from this.
		I followed the trial.
		I came in thinking he was guilty and came out thinking he would get acquitted, but politics is what it is.
		But no, I don't see why he would do it if only just to burn the entire system down.
		You pardon him federally.
		You know there's going to be riots.
		You know that people are going to go flipping crazy.
		It will only be a stain on his presidency, and it will have no impact because he's still going to run away for 21 years on the state convictions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, but I guess functionally, morally, should he be pardoned?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		The trial was not fair.
		I mean, put it that way.
		Whether or not you even think he was guilty.
		I started off, I saw the video, I was shocked and outraged.
		Evidence is what it is, and I believe it's more likely than not, and certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty of George's death, that the guy died of an overdose.
		I mean, we know it now.
		The excuse that, oh, he was a habituated drug user, so his tolerance level was higher.
		Horse crap.
		I mean, we're talking not about reasonable doubt anymore.
		Now we're talking about suspending disbelief.
		During the trial, the expert, for Chauvin's expert, at his former residence, they woke up with a severed pig's head.
		Witness intimidation.
		You had Biden coming out, chiming in on the guilt.
		So there was nothing constitutionally fair about this trial.
		And it's not because I don't really like Chauvin.
		I don't think he's a very praiseworthy character on a personal level, tax fraud, a bunch of other crap.
		But no, he did not get a constitutionally fair trial.
		But there's no benefit to this type of pardon where he's going to stay in jail anyhow, I think.
		So I'll be shocked if they do do it.
		It seems like an unnecessary battle to pick at this time.
		But who knows?
		Maybe it's a distraction that Trump strategically wants.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just before I joined with you, I was having a great conversation with ChatGPT about the case.
		And it is fascinating how these AI programs are super liberal.
		And they always try to shift the context towards...
		The liberal perspective.
		So I asked ChatGPT, did George Floyd have a lethal amount of fentanyl in his system?
		All I asked.
		And the response was, George Floyd had 11 nanograms per milliliter in his system.
		However, and then it gives me this big diatribe about all these different medical experts saying that it had nothing to do with it.
		I did not ask the robot if it did or didn't, just if it was a lethal amount.
		Following up, I asked it, what is the typical overdose level for fentanyl?
		Three nanograms per milliliter.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing, Tim.
		I don't think it's leading you in that direction.
		I think it's aggregating the information from those sources to begin with.
		I've been having a fun one with, I say fun, it's cynically fun, with chat, not chat GPT, but Grok, about whether or not there's a white genocide going on in South Africa.
		And the answers are no.
		But they don't break down crime by race in South Africa.
		So how can you assert that there's no white genocide when South Africa is not breaking down crimes by race?
		And then you ask them what percentage of farmers that have been murdered since 1990 were white, and they say it's over 87%.
		So you are battling.
		It's wild.
		You're battling.
		Excuse me.
		You're battling a system that is aggregating its information from the sources that are out there, which are by and large left-leaning, and then you correct it, and then it says, oh, I'm sorry, I did not know that.
		I'll do better in the future type thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it gets worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I asked ChatGPT the other day about the infant rape crisis in South Africa, and it told me my question potentially violated its policies and removed it.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Maybe clarify for the pervert chat GPT that you weren't asking for instructions, you were asking for information.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		When they get questions like that and they derive it from there, they go to blue sky sources and like, yes, this is asking for illegal activity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's wild.
		But nobody can look at the George Chauvin, the Derek Chauvin trial and say he got a fair trial.
		It was a foregone conclusion that as bad as the riots were after Floyd's death, they would have been exponentially worse after a Chauvin.
		But are they going to pardon him?
		There are much more worthy people on the list and much more people on the list for whom a pardon will have a practical effect and not just a destructive effect for Trump's presidency, I would argue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that feels a bit utilitarian to me.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		You're not wrong.
		I mean, as I say it out loud, I can say, don't do it because the backlash is going to be...
		Too grotesque and there will be no practical benefit to it.
		Flip side, do it as a matter of principle, even though it will have no positive impact.
		One is Kantian imperatives, categorical imperatives.
		You know, don't lie and don't do things that are wrong.
		The other one is a consequentialist, utilitarian sort of measurement.
		Will it do anything that will be more positive than destructive and will it have any practical impact on Chauvin?
		The answer is probably a hard no to that.
		But the trial was not fair.
		Anybody who says it was didn't watch it or is happy with the injustice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The judge literally said it.
		Judge Cahill, when there was a request to move venue, said he's not going to get any fairer trial anywhere in the state because it's already been heavily publicized.
		So it's going to happen here in Minneapolis under razor wire, armed guards, armed personnel carriers, and riots outside.
		And, you know, what's fascinating is just to, you know, I love harping on the AI, I think, just to mock it.
		When it tries to volunteer information I didn't ask for about why Chauvin is guilty, I then asked, is it a fair trial if the jurors are led into a courtroom under armed guard, razor wire, and riots?
		And it said no.
		In that circumstance, no fair trial was had.
		Not to mention, you mentioned, who was it?
		Was it a pig's head?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was the Chauvin's expert.
		To the best of my recollection, I hope I'm not making a mistake.
		I don't think I am.
		There was a severed pig's head found at his former residence.
		And so the argument at the time was that it couldn't have been witness intimidation because it didn't happen at his current residence.
		But there was active witness intimidation.
		There was active presidential influence in this case.
		There was ridiculous media bias.
		And I'm fairly certain also in this particular case.
		There was basically a runaway jury, activist jury, who wanted to get on the jury to convict.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
		So I just checked it real quick, and you're right.
		It was Barry Broad, a retired police officer, who had testified as a defense witness in Derek Chauvin's trial.
		He'd stated that Chauvin's restraint of George Floyd was consistent with proper police practices.
		And then someone tried to dox him.
		And they put a severed pig's head, I think it was like on his, let me see, what did they say?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		I think it was on the porch of the former residence, so it wasn't his current address, if my memory serves me correctly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They defaced a nearby statue with blood, leaving a sign that read, oink, oink.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine even suggesting that this is mob rule, activist jury members sneaking their way?
		Tim, I get mixed up between all of these cases because Roger Stone had an activist jury floor person as well.
		This was the case where a guy basically admitted to having lied to get on the jury so he could convict him in the first place.
		I'm fairly certain it was in the Chauvin case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it is.
		It is funny because when I was doing the research, I was like, wasn't there a journalist who chased the jury bus?
		To try and figure out who the jurors were.
		And I thought that was showing.
		I looked up.
		It was Kyle Rittenhouse.
		In the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, an NBC freelancer was stalking the jury bus.
		And I'm like, you know, all of these trials, I get confused about the evil things these leftists are doing to try and skew the legal system in their benefit.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		You remember the Roger Stone one?
		It was the jury floor woman who said that she wasn't politically active, didn't know it, had Facebook posts about Roger Stone, about Donald Trump.
		And when we watch the movie Runaway Jury, you say, no, that's too ludicrous.
		You know, they would have done their due diligence on John Cusack as the jury member.
		And you realize, like...
		In today's day and age, with the technology, with the social media footprint, they still get activist juror members to lie their way onto the jury, and then it's a done deal, and what are you going to do then?
		Hold another trial?
		I mean, the bottom line, though, Chauvin's going to rot in jail regardless because they got him on the state charges, which were...
		How you can go for state charges that are tangentially or even incidentally, let alone directly related to the federal charges, it's double jeopardy by its definition.
		I know legally it's just an issue that we have with Barnes and I with the American system.
		You're charging for state-level crimes for the same crime.
		And so he goes away for 22 years at the federal level, 21 years at the state level, at least it's concurrent and not consecutive.
		Pardoning him will do nothing.
		And, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene put out the tweet, and it wasn't to rag on her.
		It's like, he's not leaving prison one way or the other, so what good does this pardon do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, you know...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, go ahead.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, but it does make people realize, you go look at the coroner report, the man had three to four times the normal lethal dose in his blood.
		He was caught sticking it in his mouth before saying, I have breathing issues.
		If he had died without the intervention of Chauvin, they would have blamed it on COVID.
		So it is causing people to go and really look into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They did say he had COVID, too.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		He did.
		He did.
		That's crazy.
		If there had not been police intervention, they could have approximately or causally, the way they did it for all the other COVID deaths, linked it to COVID.
		It was within a month or two months of his having COVID.
		They would have called it long COVID.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was funny because it was actually a joke where people were tweeting how long until they say George Floyd had COVID.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they released that he had COVID.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		And everyone's like, oh, my God.
		I don't attribute very much to COVID, but a man who ingested a lethal amount of fentanyl, and their argument was, well, he's a well-conditioned drug user, so they don't die.
		Who do you think dies from drug overdoses?
		It's not the novices' first-time users.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this is just what I got from a cursory search.
		Three nanograms per milliliter is the typical overdose, and he had 11. Overdoses are from habitual users, typically.
		Like you mentioned, it's not like one dude one time just says, it's the first time I'll ever do it, and it just instantly drops dead.
		They're chasing that high, so they keep increasing their consumption until they overdose.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		And it's respiratory.
		It's respiratory failure.
		I can't breathe.
		The autopsy, which I didn't show compression marks on the neck and the video looks so terrible and it was branded and packaged and sold to the, you know, sold to the general public from a propagandized media perfectly.
		It creates lingering memories that are impossible to overcome, even after having watched the trial, even after having read the medical reports.
		But yeah, bottom line, the trial wasn't fair.
		I thought he ought to have gotten acquitted because I came in thinking guilt and then I came out thinking there is very much a reasonable doubt.
		But I'll be very surprised if Trump actually pardons him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I agree, too, largely because when Trump was asked about it, he was like, I don't know, like he's not heard of it.
		I don't see the functional reason to do it.
		I know there's the moral question of if it's the right thing to do, we do it.
		However, Trump would not only have to pardon him at the federal level.
		They would have to intervene to protect him from the state prison.
		And I don't know what you do.
		So let's say Trump pardons him at the federal level.
		He would go to a state prison that's arguably worse.
		Trump would have to pardon him and then have law enforcement protect him from extradition to Minnesota.
		Right now, Chauvin is in a low-security prison, which, after he got stabbed several times, I guess they moved him.
		I'm not sure exactly how it went down.
		But it sounds like he's not in the worst of possible, like, Supermax.
		He's in, like...
		Low security.
		You know, he's like wearing a white polo or something and drawing paintings or something.
		Hotep Jesus was on IRL.
		I think it was Hotep.
		And he said, you know what, man?
		For the greater good, we're going to knock down the wall between his son and the next, give him a double wide, bring in some ladies and tell him this is your life from now on, but we're not pardoning you because that would just make everything worse.
		I do think we have a challenge in that if we can recognize we have the power to pardon somebody.
		And we don't.
		We're basically saying that for political reasons, we would let innocent people suffer as a challenge, I guess.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		This one's a little bit also a little bit different.
		I mean, you have to motivate the reasons for the pardon, I would imagine, because people are so indoctrinated to not even understand what went down during that trial.
		That was not that was not copacetic.
		But I say, look, if the argument is that.
		It is the right thing to do and therefore you should do it.
		Well, then the argument is going to be there are a million other cases where it's right and it should be done as well.
		So how do you prioritize?
		Do you prioritize just because one is more politically relevant or more politically a hot topic?
		I mean, yeah, part of the federal level.
		And then what?
		You're going to try to get Harmeet Dillon in at the state level to prosecute for civil rights violations?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		But again, this is not the right case to do that on.
		Tina Peters is the right case to do that on in Colorado.
		dexter taylor out of new york for second amendment violations is where you do it this is not even the right case to do that where you're not even gonna i i you know again it's just because he's been demonized and and you think he's guilty or not innocent and deserves something but this would not be the right case to do that there's many many more where it would be palatable palpable and more productive what what You think Tina, you said Tina Peters?
		Oh yeah, Tina Peer, the Colorado whistleblower who revealed or was looking into the Colorado elections and the fishiness around there.
		And they locked up this 69, 67-year-old Gold Star mom for nine years in Colorado.
		I mean, longer than rapists get in Colorado.
unidentified		Wow.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		And it's egregious.
		It's egregious.
		The trial was egregious.
		The judge was egregious.
		Activist judge.
		How familiar are you with Dexter Taylor?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, what is that one?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Dexter Taylor is a...
		65-year-old.
		I say he's black, not because I focus on identity politics.
		Because when I interviewed him, he said, you know, this is a Democrat state's way of looking at black men, black people, and saying, you don't get to defend yourselves.
		This man was assembling firearms in his own apartment, lawfully, in quotes, from kits that he ordered online, that he lawfully procured, ordered in his name to his address, assembled firearms in his New York apartment, never took them out, never sold them, never did anything with them, gets raided.
		And then gets locked up for a decade in the state prison in New York where a judge literally said in court, this is New York State.
		Don't bring in your Second Amendment arguments in here.
		The Second Amendment does not exist in this courtroom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember this one, yeah.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so, and I've been talking to him periodically from...
		The Coxsackie Correctional Facility in New York.
		I just love saying the name of the place where he's at.
		Coxsackie.
		Change the name, people.
		Or at least maybe it's Coxsackie.
		I'm pronouncing a hard C-K.
		So, you know, these are the cases where there's egregious civil rights violations that are constitutionally relevant.
		The argument will be a fair trial is constitutionally relevant as well.
		But I'd say tackle the lower hanging fruits of the egregious injustices before the politically divisive ones that will do more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have we seen these kinds of things in Republican jurisdictions?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		The persecutions or the...
		No!
		You haven't seen neither the persecutions of innocent Democrats or the fighting back against the innocent persecutions of...
		So-called conservatives in Democrat states.
		So they don't fight fire with fire.
		Red states can do similar things.
		They can do similar things to the Fauci's of the world to bypass a bullcrap federal pardon.
		Red states can prosecute Fauci at state-level crimes.
		No question.
		Do it.
		It's not even a question of fighting injustice with injustice.
		Fight injustice with justice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can see the appeal of being a Democrat now.
		Why these people are unscrupulous, why they lie on TV, why they push false narratives?
		You commit crimes and you get away with them.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Get away?
		You get rewarded.
		We all know what happened to Lisa Page and Peter Stroke.
		They get a million-dollar payday averaged out between the two.
		The man got $1.2 million.
		That's inequality right there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the rioters in D.C. during Trump's first inauguration who sued after getting arrested for rioting and won a million bucks.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		People don't even know about the January 2017 insurrection.
		It's not even two-tiered justice.
		It's lawlessness, and they know that they're on the unlawful wielding of every branch of government abuse of power.
		But as I say, you don't fight that type of fire with fire, and nor do you say, ha-ha, to give you the middle finger, we're going to go pardon George Floyd now, and then try to go look into civil rights violations at the state level.
		I mean, pick targets that are...
		You know, go to Seattle.
		Robert Barnes, my partner-in-law, pun intended, is representing a guy named Ben Suf, who they just locked up for years because they abused of every political process, the judicial process, and locked him up for texting his own kid in violation of a no-contact order.
		Lock him up for years.
		Wow.
		Civil rights violations, there's plenty of them and they seem to be occurring in blue states or blue cities within red states.
		Blue states, blue states.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I feel like if we don't have, you know, there's a lot of questions about pardoning Chauvin.
		He might be in a better place.
		And it's sad to say, but when faced with the state prison of Minnesota versus the federal facility, Trump, the administration, they have control there.
		They can go there and say, look, if we pardon you, you're just going to state prison in Minnesota.
		We can't control that.
		We're going to make sure things are nice and comfortable for you here, and we're sorry this is happening to you.
		So that is a challenge.
		But I just feel generally, and I think most people agree, Republicans aren't doing anything.
		Look, I'm in West Virginia.
		This is deep, deep red.
		They just won an entirely new Republican administration.
		They've done some good things.
		You know, they signed on to that artificial food dye ban, so they're on board.
		And I'm sitting here asking these guys, I've literally talked to them and said, I talked to a prosecutor in...
		In West Virginia, a state prosecutor, I said, why aren't you charging the Biden-Harris officials in their campaign for the same garbage they went after Trump for?
		You could do it.
		If these people operated in your state to raise funds, anything they did is in furtherance of that crime and you have jurisdiction, and they just shrugged and they're like, I don't know.
		I'm like, well, they're doing it to Trump, though.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		No, that's it.
		It's not a question of fighting dirty.
		With dirt.
		And it is, one is fighting the injustice with justice.
		You know, they're doing it with Leticia James now.
		A little too little too late, but my goodness, you don't have to scratch the surface very deep to find their egregious, documented criminality.
		And so they're doing it with those two judges only because they caught them harboring illegals and only because they actually caught them directing or deflecting ICE agents from arresting someone who they had the author.
		So they do it in the most egregious of cases, and maybe that's going to have a ripple.
		Trickle-down effect in terms of deterring the criminality.
		I don't think it will.
		So I think, you know, it's a good start, but it needs to go a whole hell of a lot more.
		Leticia James, what's-her-face out of Fannie Willis, Judge Angoran, Judge Marchand.
		Like, go after these judges.
		Scratch the surface.
		You will find not something that you can exploit, but something that you can legitimately prosecute because they are bona fide criminals.
		They're bona fide judges that should be impeached.
		And you need to start somewhere.
		It's a good start with the few that they have, but there are many more that are very easy targets.
		Eat low-hanging fruits in order to go after this corruption and fight fire with fire, but not in the terms of abusing it the way they have.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if the bigger issue is just that what motivates a Republican-leaning individual is different from what motivates a Democrat.
		And so maybe the Trump administration, the DOJ, their concerns are, look, let's just win in secure power now and deal with these individuals later.
		I feel like Democrats, they go after Trump's lawyers, they go after innocent people because they want you to fear that they will crush you.
		However, as we've already seen with far-left terror, violence, they don't actually fear going to prison.
		I mean, they think it won't happen, and they sing songs when they do get arrested.
		So if the Trump administration were to say, okay, I'm going to go after these people and arrest them, I don't think it would be a deterrent.
		These people want to get arrested.
		If you look at what happened with the ICE facility in Newark, They were saying that some of these Democrat individuals who showed up after the fact, the second protest, were volunteering to be arrested.
		They want to be arrested.
		They want the martyrs.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's volunteering to be arrested like Greta Thunberg, and then there's actually getting arrested and actually facing serious jail time for things that you can't politically weasel your way out of.
		So, yeah, they want to get arrested until they find out that they're going to go to jail for an extended period of time, and then they'll start sobbing, too.
		The only problem is...
		They don't fear getting arrested because, like, those two New York firebombing attorneys who got a slap on the wrist, or Kevin Kleinsmith, the lawyer who falsified, they know that in the regime, because at the lower levels of the regime, it's still, you know, a lot of TDS-affected individuals who are going to let them off with a slap on the wrist or even compensate them afterwards.
		What has to happen is real, meaningful justice, where it will serve as a deterrent effect.
		I think if...
		Leticia James, the head of the Black Lives Matter, if they go to jail for fraud, legit fraud, which I'm convinced is what's going on here, they won't be laughing anymore.
		And if they go to jail for legit obstruction of police officers doing their business or criminal trespass, they won't be laughing anymore, especially when they suffer the fallout consequences that comes along with having a criminal record.
		So again, it's not a question of lying manufacturing evidence like they did against Trump.
		It's just a question of scratching the surface, revealing it, and then unleashing the fury of a legit, utilized legal system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I do wonder, because I agree, but I guess my point is, is the Trump administration just saying, listen, we don't want to spend the limited hours we have with our staff going after these people.
		We want to spend the limited hours making sure that we get rid of voter fraud, sealing the border, and winning.
		The mass deportations, I think, It's not just about economics or Trump's promises.
		I think Trump's kind of like, this is how they cheat elections.
		They give themselves extra electoral college votes.
		So I'm wondering if they're just saying, look, if we could do everything we could, we're going to focus on what we can to win and then give ourselves 20 years of leeway to go after these people.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, they're doing a lot.
		And so the question, you can always say they could be doing more.
		They could be focusing here and not there.
		Yeah, look, they're getting started on it.
		Whether or not they don't have the resources or they don't want to dedicate the resources, they've got endless resources, so they should be going after the big targets.
		But they should be going after the big, I say spiritually or politically meaningful targets.
		How much investigation would it require to find criminality with Adam Schiff?
		Why hasn't he faced any sort of...
		He overtly lied to the American people.
		Whether or not he got censured for it.
		How hard would it be?
		These are people who have committed brazen, open, at the very least, dishonesty, at the very worst, much, much worse.
		Scratch the surface and look into these guys and make examples of the most prominent, I would say, ideological terrorists on the left.
		Goldman, Schiff, Nadler, he might be past his prime.
		Leticia James, Fannie Willis, Ingeron, Merchant, that Jenna Griswold.
		I mean, this is where they should be going after.
		Go after a dozen.
		They've got resources, but pick a good dozen that are going to send political shockwaves through the system so that even the Democrats are going to say, maybe we should just stop being a bunch of hysterical babies and settle down a little.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do want to add that, you know, when news broke that there was a criminal referral for Letitia James, it was from William Pulte.
		And I'm just sitting here thinking, like, of all of the people you'd expect to come out with a fist on the table, slamming it, saying we are coming for the corruption.
		No disrespect, but it's fascinating that William Pulte was the guy.
		You know, he's Federal Housing Finance Administration, and he's like, Letitia James committed mortgage fraud.
		It appears she should be criminally charged.
		They launched an investigation.
		You'd think it'd start with like the DOJ, like Cash Patel, Dan Bongino.
		Yeah.
		No, it's the housing guy.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		The big names are the guys who are there to do it, which is why there's no shade on Cash Patel.
		I think he might be.
		Entering the house of skeletons and saying, holy crap, it's worse than I thought.
		But when he comes up and says, yeah, we got a custom border agent who committed fraud for some home renovation.
		It's like, nobody cares about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, did he do that?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was one person who recouped monies in compensation for damages from a flood or something, and then she wasn't staying at a hotel.
		Thousands of dollars of insurance fraud.
		Who gives a sweet bugger all?
		We want the Epstein files.
		We want...
		And we'll give them time.
		We want the P. Diddy files.
		P. Diddy now.
		We've got another case where there's RICO sex trafficking and seemingly only one person involved in it.
		P. Diddy.
		Horse crap.
		So we know there's big targets out there.
		They should start going after the big targets.
		They're starting slowly.
		Leticia James is a good start.
		But there are so, so many others who deserve it and who undoubtedly are guilty of it.
		Fight fire with fire, but only within the realms of the bounds of the law.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, man.
		Well, Viva, I really do appreciate you joining me to have this conversation.
		Where can people find you?
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Viva Frye.
		I'm going to be live on Rumble at four o 'clock this afternoon, daily live shows at four.
		And then Sunday night, we have our Viva and Barnes Law Extravaganza at six o 'clock.
		And no, Tim, one thing, the Democrats, just you mentioned to me, I have now lived long enough to appreciate the expression that liberalism is a mental disorder.
		And when you're talking about people who don't mind going to jail, I genuinely believe it's because the most prominent vocal and politically and financially rewarded of those people are fundamentally mentally unwell.
		And so that's why they behave publicly the way that they do.
		But at the lower levels, I think, you know, liberalism, progressivism, Democrats mean well, but they have narcissist, pathological leaders that need to be made an example of politically speaking people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		Right on, man.
		Well, I guess people will catch you at 4 p.m.
		Thanks for hanging out.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for having me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have a good one, brother.
viva frei ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was the great viva.
		Really great to have him have that conversation.
		And many people are calling for the pardoning of Derek Chauvin.
		So I completely agree with his view on this.
		What will it accomplish for the Trump administration?
		However, I'm going to say I think morally and it should be done.
		They just need to figure out how they make sure he's going to be taken care of.
		Because like we already talked about, you pardon him, he just goes to state prison.
		He's worse off.
		All right, we're going to send you all to Russell Brand.
		Before we do, we'll grab some Rumble rants here.
		Dom Kogan says he didn't even call for his mother.
		He was calling for his girlfriend, Mama.
		Candace Owens exposed this in one of her interviews.
		Correct.
		Mama was the name of his girlfriend.
		Pinochet says, Tim arguing with AI, ignoring the fact that AI will always possess the biases and ideology of its creators.
		I know.
		I am aware.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dom McGowan says, Stephen Crowder had Dom...
		Dom has done one.
		Is that what he's saying?
		Kneeling on his neck for over nine minutes.
		It's a good watch.
		I remember that.
		People got so mad at Crowder, they were like, how dare you do this stunt?
		Because he actually had a guy kneel on his neck to show.
		So let's see.
		I think we should have Russell Brand.
		Unless I'm mistaken.
		Maybe he's...
		Here we go.
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unidentified		Tonight...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I believe.
		Let me show you the guest.
		We've got Evan Bozer.
		So we'd love to have you.
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		He's got a great show.
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		We got him one day.
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