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March 27, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Fireball Sightings SURGE Amid Drones INVADING US Military Bases, Rumors It's ALIENS | Timcast IRL

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tim pool
Fireballs in the sky everywhere across the U.S.
We are looking at what one person described as a four and a half deviations above the mean of fireball sightings.
At the same time, there have been reports of drone incursions over air bases, with some reports saying they are military grade.
They are jam-resistant.
Something may be happening or nothing.
Could just be commercial drones, but the reports are that these are not commercial tagged.
So what are they?
Could it be that something else is going on as this war expands?
Honestly, we don't know for sure, but it is a crazy story because, of course, yesterday we talked about these Chinese individuals that were indicted for planting a bomb at Central Command.
We're also learning the U.S. has deployed drone war boats into the Strait of Hormuz, and we've got a crazy video that apparently shows, they claim it shows, anti-regime forces in Iran opening fire on the IRGC.
Is this propaganda?
Is it real?
We don't know for sure.
But we'll talk about that in a bunch of other news.
Indeed, my friends, we have got a lot to break down.
And in less important news, of course, there's a viral video of a young Gen Z influencer.
You'll learn his name later because I hate saying his name.
But he's unloading a handgun into a crocodile, into an alligator in Florida and doing otherwise very illegal things.
And now he's in jail.
It's clavicular, by the way.
I know people are like, who cares?
Well, I think this reflects upon social media psychosis and how the younger generations are so desperate for attention because they don't know what else to do, they resort to doing meth, sterilizing themselves, shooting animals, and otherwise getting arrested.
So we'll talk about all that.
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You know, joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.
We have Seth Keschel.
seth keshel
All right.
Thank you guys for having me on, Tim.
Appreciate the invitation.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
What do you do?
seth keshel
I am sometimes referred to as America's number two election denier.
That's a recent one left for the book that I just had published.
But I've been in the election integrity space now for over five years since the 2020 election was actually still ongoing.
Prior to that, I was an Army military intelligence officer.
I left the service after six years at the rank of captain.
I tend to see the world from a strategic view, so I think it's kind of interesting that we are talking about drones being sighted over U.S. Air Force bases.
I like to apply a strategic view to what's going on in the world.
I have a long-term outlook on things, so I'm a little less susceptible to being downed by black pills online.
tim pool
All right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Of course, tonight, Ian, Phil, and Carter all hanging out.
Ian looking like a crazy person, intentionally.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
As he does.
ian crossland
I'm a psyop.
tim pool
All right, let's jump into this first story.
It's from space.com.
We're not going right into the heavy military stuff because first we've got to address this story that's breaking today.
Fireball sightings are surging across the U.S.
unidentified
Here's what's really going on.
tim pool
These are missiles being launched by China being intercepted, or, as Kellen said, they are probes being deployed by three Atlas from the aliens seeking to come down and monitor us and our military is intercepting them.
Or it could just be that people are paying attention because social media tells them to, and they're actually not seeing anything too crazy.
It's just normal.
But anyway, here's the actual news.
And the reason why I actually think it's important to talk about this is that many people do believe something else is going on.
With reports of the UFO disclosures, with aliens.gov being registered, people are pointing out that we are seeing way more fireballs than normal.
Space.com says it's happening beyond the U.S. van, beyond the U.S.
unidentified
Vancouver saw a fireball on March 3rd.
tim pool
France, Germany reporting sightings March 8th and 11th.
Many fireballs lasted a long time and were seen across wide areas.
They say there's definitely been a clustering of fireball sightings.
Quote, this is the question everybody wants answered.
I think we are looking at slightly elevated meteor activity, though still well within statistical expectations, and increased awareness and reporting, which happens whenever big events occur.
So it sounds like what they're saying is nothing to see here, guys.
It's just someone on social media said it was happening.
Everybody started looking up and seeing it happen.
However, Owen Schroer recently put out a video saying he saw vehicles in the sky over Austin.
One of them fell and burst into flames and the other two immediately dispersed.
People then immediately started to claim, no, no, he was just looking at contrails from planes in the twilight of dusk, which makes no sense because that doesn't describe what he's actually claiming he saw.
With this, many people are questioning whether or not what we're actually looking at is sophisticated drone warfare, which we all know has been escalating over the past several years.
And with reports of these drone incursions at Air Force bases, could the question be, we are intercepting drones.
ian crossland
Or our drones are getting intercepted and they don't want to admit it.
tim pool
Why would our drones be getting intercepted over our airspace?
ian crossland
Maybe there's an attack over our airspace and they don't want to tell people.
tim pool
So you're saying that our drones are flying like U.S. military drones and somehow they're shooting them down?
ian crossland
Like a Chinese drone or Iranian drone is in our airspace, maybe.
tim pool
And it's shooting our drone at the same time, but there's a cloak.
ian crossland
There's combat.
Well, maybe those drones that dispersed that Owen was talking about was like, oh, that was a good point.
Conflict.
carter banks
So it's like a drone.
tim pool
No, no, that's actually interesting.
Phil's laughing.
I'm smiling.
phil labonte
I'm not laughing.
tim pool
He's got this look on his face.
He's like, here goes Ian.
phil labonte
Just smiling.
tim pool
But actually, that's an interesting point.
Owen Schroyer said he saw three vehicles in the sky.
One fell and burst into flames.
The other two dispersed.
Yeah, what if these were drones engaging with each other?
Now, real quick, I just said this earlier.
I mean, it may actually be very, very simple.
Owen Schroyer saw some dude with drones.
And imagine you've got like, you know, a handful of young people flying drones around and then one crashes and the other two just land.
It's not a big deal.
It doesn't mean it's aliens or military or whatever.
ian crossland
Because I think if you go up high enough, you're no longer in U.S. airspace.
Like how high up until it's just space?
tim pool
No, you still are.
ian crossland
You just keep going up, up, up.
I mean, what if you're out of Earth's orbit?
Is it still considered American airspace?
tim pool
Every point at that point is America.
ian crossland
At some point, it's no longer.
Same with the ocean.
You go out far enough, it's no longer American airports.
tim pool
It's like 11 miles.
phil labonte
I think once you go outside of the atmosphere and you're in space, then it becomes, you know, not sovereign territory.
I mean, you might actually have.
seth keshel
So until we get more information, I'm going to sell on the theories.
tim pool
You want to pull them out?
seth keshel
I'm going to sell on some of these theories until we get a little bit more information.
Look, they're trying to say that these are flying at 40,000 miles an hour.
The standard missile is going to fly at about 2,500.
I'm sure a drone, there's no drone on Earth that's going to be able to move at a speed like that.
So we could be looking at a situation where maybe we have more sophisticated ways to detect a cluster of meteors.
Like we actually don't have more earthquakes today than we ever did, but we think we do because now we could detect a 3.7 or a 4.2.
So I'm a little bit bearish to jump right on it.
I like a good conspiracy, but this one seems like until I get more, I'm going to go with meteorologists.
tim pool
So you're saying aliens?
seth keshel
Well, you know, the cultural impact of this, this is going to definitely spawn some conspiracy theories because we have a lot of those that are like there's been a movie and now there's an event.
So there was a Greenland 2.
Greenland came out with Gerard Butler.
So that might be one of those.
But, you know, the cultural impact of aliens, I think, is that Americans need to know the best illegal alien we ever had was E.T., who learned English and then went home.
phil labonte
Superman.
carter banks
He was trying to get home the whole time.
tim pool
Yeah, he didn't want to be here.
carter banks
Nope.
tim pool
No, Superman is an illegal immigrant, but who's going to stop him?
ian crossland
Was he naturalized?
tim pool
Superman?
phil labonte
I think, I don't know for sure if it's Canon, but I assume that they did at some point.
tim pool
They registered him as their kid as if he was a Kent.
He had their name.
So they said, oh, look, we had a big option.
Because back in the day, if you lived on a farm and gave birth on that farm, that's how you did it.
ian crossland
So, Seth, you're saying because it seems to be moving at 40,000 miles an hour, it's very unlikely it's a drone.
seth keshel
Well, there's the official story, which, of course, we've learned that we have to challenge official stories.
This is NASA reporting the speeds of these meteorite clusters at about 40,000 miles an hour.
Most of them aren't landing anywhere.
I think they had one punched through a home in Houston, which was not far based on what I read from where I used to live.
tim pool
There was the one in Ohio that there was a sonic boom.
Everybody heard it.
And people saw a flash in the sky and they're like, what is it?
And then they came out later and said, oh, it was a meteor.
seth keshel
This is the one that was caught on the trail cam, right?
The green one smashing down?
tim pool
No.
I'm thinking of one that was caught on like a dairy farm camera or something or a highway camera.
seth keshel
Yeah, I think we're talking about it.
tim pool
But there's so many of them that are being caught on camera.
ian crossland
I think they do travel in clusters, meteors, you know, one big one.
They break up into WhatsApp.
tim pool
I said they're friends.
ian crossland
Yeah, they love each other just like humans.
unidentified
Community life.
tim pool
They're on an adventure.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
They're learning together.
Magnetic.
So I'm not surprised if we see a lot of them at once.
You know, a lot of over a course of like a couple months or a few weeks, we see a lot and then we don't see any for a long time.
phil labonte
I mean, there are four different, I think there's three or four major times of peaks.
So in August, there's the Presidious Meteor Shower, the Geminus in December, and Quadranes in January.
tim pool
I was talking about this earlier.
The Chicago O'Hare 2006 UFO sighting.
I had just stopped working there two months prior.
It was like August, I think I quit.
I have friends who still work there.
They saw the UFO.
I believe them.
My one friend said that they were on Mannheim Road, which is just to the, I think, the east of O'Hare Airport.
And he was at a red light.
He said, everybody got out of their cars and were just like, not everybody, but a bunch of people got out of their cars and were just staring up at a saucer floating above the airport.
You know the story, right?
unidentified
No.
I don't know.
tim pool
Let me pull this one up.
ian crossland
I've mentioned this in the past.
phil labonte
There was an actual saucer.
There were multiple picture of it.
ian crossland
Spinning aluminum.
tim pool
This is the photo.
So it's 2006.
This is well before anybody had high-end video cameras on their phones.
A pilot apparently looked over the window of the plane and took this photo of this disc.
That plane, is that a United plane?
I can't tell.
I worked at American Eagle, which was right next to the United Terminal, whatever you call it.
ian crossland
American Airline?
tim pool
I worked for American Eagle Airlines.
ian crossland
American Eagle had an airline?
tim pool
American Eagle is American Airlines regional airline.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Not the genes.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Right next to us is United, and there were people in there who were like, we saw this.
And it hovered for minutes.
And a ton of people saw it.
And then it shot straight up and punched a hole in the clouds.
ian crossland
Have you guys heard of the Nazis?
unidentified
They were working on the...
You've heard of the Nazis.
ian crossland
You've heard of them?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
It was a political movement in the 19th they developed this thing called the Bell, and it was like an anti-gravity flying machine.
The bell.
tim pool
That proves it.
ian crossland
A Nazi bell, and then like no data on it.
seth keshel
Try and look up.
ian crossland
Maybe there is, and it's just not mainstream political.
tim pool
Well, they used it to go to the moon.
ian crossland
The bell, what is it?
tim pool
Is it a lightweight?
ian crossland
Because there are ways to catch like the E, what is it called?
The EEM generator, where you can use refraction and to get radiation to create propellant.
And then if you're spinning fast enough, you can reduce vertical thrust to zero so you can kind of balance yourself in mid-air.
I mean, that tech, you know, that technology might be real.
That's why they keep.
seth keshel
Are you sure you're not talking about the man in the high castle?
Was that the man in the high castle kind of had technology like that too, where a fictional scenario where Japan and Nazi Germany won World War II.
It's an interesting series.
It's almost like exactly what you're talking about here.
tim pool
Well, that's based off of the Bell theory.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So there's also theories about Hitler having like occult magic and researchers.
Like he was obsessed with magic and the dark arts.
So he had like a special division.
The funny thing about this is everybody laughs like, ha ha ha, how silly were they so dumb?
The U.S. does exactly the same thing.
The men who stare at goats, Project Stargate or whatever.
I love this story.
The story is that the U.S. created a psyop to scare the Soviets, claiming we had psychic powers.
The Soviets freak out learning this information, believing it's real, that the U.S. is developing psychic powers.
So they create their own psychic unit.
And then another division in the United States hears that the Soviets have a psychic unit, so they create a real one.
ian crossland
And that's how we developed emergent psychic powers.
tim pool
There's that video of that guy, what's his name, Chris Bledsoe, he talked about the other day, where he said, in April of 2026, Israel and Iran will be fire missiles at each other and the orbs will rise up from the ocean.
He claimed that after he got abducted by aliens in 2007, which I know all this sounds nuts, he said that, what was I going to say?
That he went to the Pentagon.
That's right.
And the remote viewers were brought in.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And then he started describing what he was told.
And the remote viewers used their psychic powers to confirm what he was saying.
And I was like, so they were all retarded.
ian crossland
Dude, remote viewing.
tim pool
Imagine this.
Like, real quick.
A guy comes to you and he's like, I was abducted by aliens.
They showed me the secrets of the future.
And you went, okay, Ian, I need you to come here and confirm this with your psychic powers.
And then Ian goes, I think he's telling the truth.
I'm like, wow, that proves it.
That's what the U.S. military did.
ian crossland
That's desperation.
seth keshel
This stuff's going to get more and more crazy as AI advances.
And also, looking at how human warfare has advanced, I'm not sure how many of you guys are familiar with fifth-generation warfare theories.
General Flint Boone Cutler wrote the book, Introduction to 5G Warfare.
And first generation warfare is people slaying each other in fields with iron.
And then you move into the second generation, which is gunpowder, third generation, different ways to maneuver the enemy, planes and tanks, worldwide.
tim pool
Litigations.
seth keshel
And then fourth generation is nuclear.
And now fifth generation is where we are.
Where I can't really see a major U.S.-China conflict militarily.
The winner's going to have to, you're going to have to nuke them, right?
So it's all psychological and it's going to mess with my mind.
tim pool
I disagree, though, because we've talked quite a bit about the generations of warfare.
And fourth generational warfare is so third generation, I believe, is nuclear.
It's where you go to mass destruction.
Fourth generational is insurgent, where you have proxy wars and militia groups, and it's guerrilla where both powers are pretending like they're not at war.
Fifth generation is where they say you're getting into psychological operations, the manipulation of a population.
And the way to describe it is: imagine you could go to Genghis Khan and say, do not trample the fields on horseback with bow and arrow because I can win you the entire landmass of Asia with just a thought, with a pen.
He'd be like, prove it.
If warlords knew by saying words, they would have everyone bow to them, they wouldn't go to war.
That being said, I actually think that there is a step between psychological warfare manipulations, post-nuclear war, and that is genetic warfare.
So the use of biological agents to wipe out populations.
So imagine this.
You go to a warlord and say, okay, three options.
Horseback, bows and arrows.
That was the dominant weapon at the time.
Run through the fields, take everybody out.
You own it, right?
Okay, you could do that.
Or I can write down on all of these pieces of paper, and everyone will bow to you as a god once they see you.
We'll have to distribute the paper.
Could take some time.
Some people will still resist and they'll be fighting.
Or I have in this vial a virus which will kill everyone of a particular persuasion and you don't need to say a single word.
You will walk in as a liberator.
I actually think many of the leaders will be like, release the virus.
So before we get to the point where we try to fight for the mind of an individual, why not just purge anyone who would oppose you?
ian crossland
It's kind of like getting people to fold pre-flop.
I mean, you gotta, you gotta get before you, you know, before you try and manipulate the rest of them to join you, you would unleash the virus.
tim pool
The point is this: whatever.
Psychological warfare is still a battle, a battle for the mind.
And so it's certainly safer and less resource, it's less resource-extensive.
But I would actually argue that if you went to like Putin, for instance, and you're like, do you want to own the world right now, have everything under your sphere of influence?
Okay.
Do you want to fight for 10 years trying to plant these ideas?
He'd be like, well, if I have to, would you rather just shoot everybody?
He'd be like, I don't know if we have the resources for that.
Would you rather unleash a virus that kills anyone who would dare oppose you and leaves only the docile?
That's easier.
A virus that kills your enemy is the least amount of work.
So I actually think, again, the point is, in the generations of warfare, psychological warfare, I think, actually may be behind us or in front of us.
But I think it's much easier just to release a virus targeting a certain genetic subset.
seth keshel
Well, so what's old is new again.
A number of things you just mentioned.
500 years ago, one of the best-selling books of all time by Machiavelli, The Prince, talks exactly about how to deal with what we've really failed in.
What my military career spun out because I no longer believed in counterinsurgency being a successful thing.
But as far as diseases go, interesting book out.
It's been out a long time, Guns, Germs, and Steel by Diamond.
The Europeans that came over to the New World eradicated the native populations because they couldn't deal with the germs.
They couldn't deal with the diseases.
tim pool
But it was an accident.
They didn't come here being like, we will bring our diseases to kill them all.
They came here and like, they're all dying.
And the smallpox thing was intentional, but I mean before that.
seth keshel
Yeah.
tim pool
The other thing, too, that most people don't realize is my understanding is that actually before the Europeans even arrived, there was a pandemic, an epidemic that had hit Native American tribes across the North and Central America already.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So they already had their population reduced well before.
ian crossland
They could have got hit by the black plague and just no written history.
tim pool
Well, the thing is, because the theory between why the Native Americans were less developed and more susceptible to diseases was land mass and a population density.
So in Europe, you have thousands of years of history and all of these people crammed into a tight peninsula where you can't go anywhere.
Some people escape to the other islands, they move about, but eventually you're looking at coast.
You've got only a certain amount of arable land and then someone else says, I want that land and I want fishing for my family, not you.
So they fight.
Fighting results in competition, which results in advancement of technologies, social development.
The Native Americans, they'd be sitting there nomadic, fruits and veggies, whatever they needed, hunting.
Another tribe would come up and they'd be like, oh, don't look at us.
They would just break apart.
They'd leave.
Now, they certainly did have warfare.
They brutalized each other.
Certain tribes would go and steal.
However, if you were one of the more peaceful tribes and you were chilling, smoking a peace pipe, and then a scout came by and he ran up and he was like, hey, look, you know, the Apache are coming.
You just leave.
There's no reason for competition.
So interestingly, this is reflected in evolution across the board.
The funny thing about these theories is that these blank Slater lefties are like, that's not true.
Winter and competition had nothing to do with why people are smarter or stupider.
When in reality, we know for a fact, why are birds not aggressive?
phil labonte
Because they just leave.
tim pool
They can just leave.
Why are badgers aggressive?
phil labonte
Because they can go later.
tim pool
They can go anywhere.
So burrowing animals tend to be more vicious.
And birds, for instance, because they can move in three dimensions, have no reason to be aggressive.
It is more successful to not fight.
For the badger, someone tries to go in that burrow, they have one choice, fight or die.
So for Japan, for instance, why were they so brutal?
They were on a tight island.
So they're just fighting each other until eventually you get one, you know, one regime, I suppose, it takes over.
And then they start looking outward.
This is the militant dominant faction they won, and now they want more.
So they turn to the Koreas or China or otherwise.
And the Native Americans were chilling smoking a peace pipe.
Unless you were Aztec and you were flaying people alive and ripping their hearts out.
ian crossland
For the Comanche, I hear, they were like the manga.
tim pool
Oh, brutal, dude.
unidentified
Brutal.
ian crossland
Horseback.
tim pool
They would dip arrows in dung, like, or their own crap, so that you were dead if you got hit with it.
ian crossland
The Comanche were like useless, you know, before horses arrived.
They were useless.
Like, they were thought of as scum, garbage, mountain dweller, hill dwellers.
tim pool
And the Europeans brought horses.
ian crossland
And then they were like, their Mongol ancestry kicked in and they were like, we're taking it.
tim pool
Dude, I love it.
phil labonte
I love the Comanche's mongola.
ian crossland
That's what people say.
I've heard that.
tim pool
Yeah, the Asians crossed the Bering Strait into North America.
That's where, you know, so there's a shared ancestry there.
And yeah, Europeans brought all the horses and guns.
And then also the Native Americans are like, let's roll, baby.
seth keshel
The fighter flight has been the same even with naval warfare as well.
Prior to the advent of wireless communications, almost all naval battles were fought within a few miles of the shore.
That's the only place ships have run into each other.
But now that you could ping an enemy's location with wireless, then you had open battles in the ocean.
tim pool
Not only that, but for the colonial era with the trade routes, the trade routes were known routes that were mapped typically.
And if you were seeing pirates off in the distance, you could just leave.
seth keshel
Exactly.
tim pool
Now, they'll hunt you down on speedboats.
And then you've like, you see those videos where the gigantic cargo vessel sprays the water off all the edges.
There was that one viral video where the dudes are just unloading on the somalis.
phil labonte
I can't help but feel like the gun is better than the water cannon.
tim pool
They're both for two different things.
seth keshel
So you do that.
tim pool
The water cannon prevents them from boarding.
The guns stop them from shooting at you.
seth keshel
You know how we have those helicopter excursions in Texas where you can go shoot hogs that are running?
unidentified
Yes.
seth keshel
How much do you think these cargo ship companies could make to let somebody fly into Djibouti and shoot at the pirates?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that's a thing.
seth keshel
So when are we going?
tim pool
I think I saw a video about this where they said that they actually allow people to pay to come on the boats with guns to fight pirates.
Not even a joke.
ian crossland
Yeah, I've heard that too.
tim pool
I mean, there are a lot of guys who are going to be like, because it's, here's the thing.
If you've got a trained security force and you're on a highly defensible ship and you actually encounter a smoker of pirates, you're usually not at risk.
Like you are going to wipe them out.
And so it's kind of brutal, but I've heard stories that they're like, I mean, I'm on board and you can pay us and you can do battle.
phil labonte
Generally, when those big ships are actually taken, like it's big news, right?
tim pool
I don't think they get taken.
phil labonte
Yeah, but that's the point.
Like it's very, it's generally safe.
What blows my mind is that they would continue to attack those ships, even though they almost is, obviously the reward has got to be through the roof.
tim pool
I got to be honest, if I wasn't doing this job, I would be applying for a job at Anderil.
phil labonte
Doing Andrew.
tim pool
Making weapons, strapping bombs to drones and blowing things up.
ian crossland
I was talking about joining military intelligence last night.
Because the stuff we talk about, we're at the level where if you're going to go to the next level, I don't want to say it online because I don't want the Chinese spies to hear it.
I'd rather actually ultimately build it.
tim pool
I'm just saying that during Occupy, when I was starting all of this media stuff, I was also, me and my buddies were hacking drones and making them do like surveillance stuff.
We actually had this little ground drone.
It's a remote control little car.
It was a ball with big wheels.
And you could throw it on the ground and roll it.
And it would always land upright.
Had a camera and it you can control with your phone.
So we could hack the feed from it to the internet so that I could drive this little ball past a police line and film what's going on.
And we had that.
We also had these drones.
We actually built a rig where I hooked the drone to my backpack.
I had a computer running in my backpack.
And then I could take the drone off my back just by lifting it up off a hook, putting it down and launching it.
And the video feed went into the computer into a hotspot and broadcast the drone footage to the internet.
So we used to do all kinds of crazy hacks.
So, you know, I'm thinking about what's going on with these ships.
And I'm thinking about how sad it is that the most effective thing is just to shoot the pirate.
And I'm like, there's so many fun weapons you can do that would disrupt piracy in a way they'd never come back for.
ian crossland
Like fly down, strip their pants off, push them down on the ground.
What else were you thinking about doing to the pirates?
tim pool
Like acid burst drones?
ian crossland
Yeah, that'd be cool too.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Flames just set the boat on fire.
tim pool
I don't know that we want to torture the people alive, but the honest thing is like in terms of effectiveness, the most effective thing is just to shoot a bad guy who's trying to kill you.
phil labonte
I mean, I imagine in the future there will be, especially after the Ukraine war, all the things that have been learned, I imagine it does make sense for a ship to have drones with some kind of ordnance on it and fly the dummy ships.
tim pool
Here's something that I think is interesting, Freck, perhaps.
When you have an ant problem, how do you solve the ant problem?
ian crossland
Well, the queen.
tim pool
Sure, if you can find it.
But how do you do that?
ian crossland
Poison it.
tim pool
How do you get to the queen underground?
ian crossland
Trick the ants into taking the poison back to the queen.
tim pool
That is correct.
And you use, what is it, borax?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And then what happens is they carry it on there on their themselves back into the colony where it starts to eat at their exoskeleton that they all start dying of dehydration.
ian crossland
Yeah, it gets into their joints, I believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
There's a, I forget what it is.
There's some kind of sand.
It's very, very fine that gets into the joints in the carapace.
It actually cuts them and basically they dry out.
ian crossland
Is that diatomaceous?
phil labonte
Yes, diatomaceous.
unidentified
Yeah, there you go.
ian crossland
What do they call them?
tim pool
So the idea is, I actually, you know, again, more to the point, going back to like the generations of warfare, it's very rudimentary to be like, we are going to attack this person or group of people.
I think beyond that, biological warfare, like this, sending a person back into their country.
So a lot of people think COVID, for instance, was this because it targeted Asians, the ACE2 receptors in their lungs, which meant Asians were more heavily impacted by the virus.
And there are conspiracy theories that the virus wiped out hundreds of millions of Chinese.
The crematoriums were running.
Like, this is a crazy theory, but seriously, we should, I should pull something up right now so we can talk about it.
But I'll just say this.
We know that during COVID, crematoriums in China were running 24-7 nonstop.
And I did do a video on this a couple months ago.
There is a Chinese influencer who was like, where are all the people?
And he goes to like city center and the marketplaces and he was like, here's a video from 2018 of the market and it's crazy.
And it's like, here's a video now and it's just dead empty.
And he's like, where did the people go?
ian crossland
Do you think as you're talking about like chemical warfare and like bringing the poison back to the queen to destroy the nest, that we can do the same thing with psychological warfare, that you can poison the minds of civilian and then have them bring that idea back?
Because that's kind of what communists administration is doing.
tim pool
You don't need to bring the information back.
You just pay for it to appear on the internet.
ian crossland
Now it's like the internet.
The queen's watching the TV on the internet.
tim pool
There's no queen.
ian crossland
That's also true.
tim pool
See, with ants, there's one making all of the babies.
ian crossland
It's like an oligarchy with the humans.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
You could make the argument that the efforts to take Iran off the map as a global funder of terrorism would be something akin to that, but it's not one-for-one kind of.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from ABC News.
Multiple waves of unauthorized drones recently spotted over strategic U.S. Air Force base.
Now, here's what's interesting.
Adam Cochran says, sophisticated drones attacked the U.S. base where we store the nuclear bombers.
The drones had non-commercial signals, were resistant to jamming, came in waves of 12 to 15, swept over sensitive areas of the base, had long-range control links, were more advanced than anything seen, unlike a seen in Ukraine, beyond Iranian capabilities.
Some people, it was reported apparently there was weapons testing.
It's the second base incursion of a sensitive site in the U.S. in the last two weeks.
Now, actually, I think, let me pull this image up that you have, Seth.
If I can, actually.
It's giving me the business.
unidentified
Where here we go.
The U.S. should be...
You made a map of let me pull this in.
tim pool
The U.S. should be investing heavily in the path of the Chinese weather balloon or whatever it was, spy balloon?
seth keshel
Yeah, this was February of 23.
Everybody was up in arms about the, I think there were multiple spy balloons, but this was the first one that crashed over in the Atlantic Ocean off of South Carolina.
So I wrote a substack piece about this over on CaptainK.us, and this was viewed from more of a geopolitical military intelligence perspective.
I like to zoom out to see the whole picture.
And of course, it was launched in China, made its way up northeast, came across the Bering Strait.
Now, where it starts in our territory goes over two bases in Alaska.
Now, Fort Wainwright happens to be an Army base where there's a striker brigade headquarters.
I actually served in that brigade my last assignment.
Then it goes over Fort Wayne.
tim pool
Real quick, Fort Wainwright, it's in Alaska.
Is it like Anchorage or Fairbanks area?
Fairbanks.
unidentified
It's smashed.
tim pool
Way off.
It was obviously Fairbanks.
What am I even talking about?
seth keshel
Yeah, we had negative 60 sometimes.
unidentified
That's not fun.
seth keshel
Well, once it's below negative 10, it's all about the same.
You don't go outside.
Had a $500 mistake leaving the garage open one day, froze some pipes.
Could have had a worse, jackhammer up everything in the house.
tim pool
Would you like blow a bubble and it would freeze in midair and fall down?
seth keshel
You could throw a boiling water pot out and everything would vaporize before it even hit the ground.
It was cold.
tim pool
Anyway, continue.
seth keshel
So you have Fort Wainwright, which is a striker brigade headquarters.
You have Islison Air Force Base next to it.
But then you have Fort Greeley, the Army's cold weather training center, and it comes down through Canada, passes through Fairchild Air Force Base in Washington.
So Fairchild Air Force Base is an airy feeling hub.
And then it goes through the Rocky Mountain states.
Malmstrom Air Force Base, of course, is a big missile site.
You have Mountain Home, Idaho, which is a 366th fighter wing.
Grand Forks Air Force Base, North Dakota, off to the north.
This is air mobility.
Minot Air Force Base, nukes.
You have Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming, Minuteman 3, ICBM Base, Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota.
So long story short, the spy balloon tracked its way across our key air installations.
tim pool
And Biden let him do it.
seth keshel
Apparently, you know, that's the shock really when we talk about, you know, I don't want to steal your thunder, but the drone story, not able to detect this sort of incursion or deal with it is the big problem here.
tim pool
Unless, again, the conspiracy theory being that these meteors people are seeing are actually just interceptions.
Again, not necessarily missiles.
Like the dark conspiracy is that we're being shot at.
I don't think that's true.
I think they can't hide that.
So people are like, these look like missile interceptions.
Like when you watch Iran and Afghanistan, I'm sorry, Iran and Israel, you'll see these videos of the rocket flying and then it breaks up.
And then people are like, oh, what if these are not meteors?
They could be some kind of interception.
Like when Owen Schroyer said he saw the drone burst into flames and fall, could just be an interception.
What if, as Ian was pointing out, U.S. drones intercepted an unknown drone and took it out of the sky?
That's what Owen Schroyer saw.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they don't want to alert the public.
tim pool
Remember when they're talking about the drones flying all over Jersey?
And people were reporting seeing car-sized drones taking off and flying around?
And they just said, no, everyone's mistaken?
I mean, maybe, but I mean, come on.
ian crossland
Question about this hot air balloon, the spy balloon.
What did it observe through Canada?
Did you get a read on that?
Canadian military?
tim pool
It's a strategic moose reserve.
seth keshel
If we look at it through a perspective of it must be a spy mission for the United States, it would just simply be a transit because you don't want to miss, number one, having it available to go over mostly land would require it coming across the Bering Strait rather than get swept away by ocean winds.
But then going across through Canada through our strategic sites, that balloon was equipped with all sorts of optical capabilities.
It seemed very primitive, but it was actually very sophisticated.
And it's just so happened to cut through our really important missile bases in the middle of the country.
So they're collecting intelligence.
This is the thing about warfare is it's a game of skating where the puck is going to be.
You need to know what your enemy is going to be doing in the future rather than right now.
tim pool
There's a show called Dr. Stone.
Have you ever heard of it?
Dr. Dr. Stone.
It is anime magic school bus for boys.
So magic school bus is very female-oriented, in my opinion, right?
Everybody, let's have fun.
We adventure.
Dr. Stone is action combat magic school bus.
So basically, the story is at some point, everyone in the earth has turned to stone for some reason.
3,000 years later, this super genius Japanese kid wakes up, breaks from his prison, has to rebuild society from the ground up.
And one of my favorite parts of the show is they get into a tribal conflict with a group of people that don't want technology back because it destroyed the earth.
And he, of course, is a scientist who wants to reignite the earth.
And so he says, we are going to create the most powerful weapon known to man, which is any guesses?
ian crossland
The pencil.
I'm just kind of kidding.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
The television.
tim pool
Most powerful weapon.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
Communications.
Yeah, it's and I knew I was watching the show, and the moment he says it, I was like, it's going to be radio.
And it was radio.
The ability to communicate on the battlefield can win you a war without a gun.
If you've got a bunch of guys with guns and they're pointed straight ahead thinking you're coming, and then you tell your guys via long distance, hey, they're walking towards you, pincer attack.
And they break apart and go around, you can with rocks.
So the ability to communicate, the ability to transmit information over long distances is more powerful than anything.
That's why even right now in modern warfare, they're saying the fifth generation is information, manipulating the minds of individuals.
The communication is more powerful than the nuclear bomb.
unidentified
You know what these are?
tim pool
The pen is mightier than the sword.
ian crossland
That's why I sand.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
The Iran is shutting down the internet.
The people that are shutting down the internet, I feel like, are fighting a losing battle because it is once the citizens get access to the data, it's like these regimes are done.
phil labonte
I don't know if that's actually.
Well, I mean, I suppose if you're saying that once they actually get access, yeah, but North Korea has a pretty good hold on information that goes in and out.
tim pool
I genuinely believe there is a scenario where the U.S., in an escalating conflict with China, brings an Anthropic and says they're already doing this using AI to target and locate individuals.
They say, let's say China escalates the conflict and we start getting war, which genuinely puts the U.S. at risk of like, hey, man, we're budding on World War III.
Heg Seth then says, why can't we react fast enough?
How are they flanking us in the Pacific theater?
And then someone says they are using advanced AI to predict our movements based on fueling patterns, based on resource distribution.
They know that when we brought in a major shipment of aluminum from Canada that they can see on satellite, the AI is predicting what we're going to build and where we're going to put it.
And so then he says, how do we preempt that?
And they say, well, we are using AI systems all the same, but we're behind.
And then he says, if our AI isn't fast enough, then we lose.
And they say, well, actually, the issue isn't the AI isn't fast enough.
It's that we are monitoring the AI.
We could go faster if we turn over defense to the AI.
Instead of it recommending where we fire, we let it fire of its own accord.
It will be advanced by 15 minutes.
We will absolutely.
And then they say, do it.
And then they turn over weapons control to the AI.
And then we get, I wouldn't call it a Terminator scenario, but we get a very, very terrifying reality where weapons are being fired without human approval, missiles are being launched, and then China reacts and says, what's happened?
And they say, sir, they have just handed over full control of their missile systems and defense systems to their AI to just fire of its own accord.
We will not be able to preempt this with human fail-safes.
And then Xi Jinping says, do the same.
And that's the AI mutually assured destruction where the AIs are just in a battle and we're sitting back and watching it happen.
ian crossland
I think when the computers go quantum and they can exist in the maybe state, that's when if they have control of the weapon systems and they don't have to fire, they can think about it.
That's when we're in big trouble.
tim pool
That's nothing to do with quantum computing.
ian crossland
Well, when you can exist in the one and the zero state at the same time, you can kind of wonder, you can think.
tim pool
That's going to break encryptions because it can flood the password instantly, but it's not going to calculate where to drop a bomb.
phil labonte
Yeah, and if I understand correctly, quantum computing isn't useful for the same kind of computations that regular computers are.
tim pool
Quantum computing is not going to be able to take 300 different factors in war and then make a prediction.
This is actually, we actually covered this like a year ago.
Someone broke down why quantum computing is basically only good for cracking crypto because it won't be able to look at the entire battlefield and then calculate where to fire the missiles.
Only standard Macro level is an ability.
ian crossland
Maybe a quantum computer could use a bunch of classical computers then.
Maybe that's what they'll do.
tim pool
Quantum computing, by allowing, having qubits exist in both the one and the zero, allows you to crack passwords instantly.
So that's useful as a component of military technology, but you'll need standard computing to actually plan for your bombs and stuff.
phil labonte
Yeah, the applications are very different, what they're useful for.
Quantum computing is great for certain applications, and it does things that a regular computer can't, but there are things that regular computer, that regular computers can do that quantum computing just couldn't do.
It's not like a regular computer just like gassed up and super powerful.
unidentified
Yeah, it's not.
tim pool
It's not calculating patterns and predictions.
It's just seeing everything at once.
So it's not going to be able to tell you.
Honestly, it would be like this.
The equivalent would be you've got a psychic who can tell you exactly what's going to happen, and you have a guy who can see everywhere.
And the guy who can see everywhere says, I see a ship going through the ocean.
Where's it going?
I don't know.
I can just see it.
The computer is going to be like, wait, what was that?
You said there's a ship on the ocean.
Okay, let me calculate everything.
If there is a ship and this is the wind, it's going to end up here.
So the quantum is basically just going to be like a spy satellite, essentially.
Being able to crack passwords, see what is actively going on, but not compute probabilities or make predictions.
ian crossland
It's terrifying.
That it could decide anything is terrifying.
seth keshel
Well, so these systems are useful for narrowing down the battlefield, but there are a number of things that no advanced technology can change about warfare.
You still have to feed armies.
You still have to fuel ships and planes and logistics or armies.
tim pool
And they're Optimus robots.
seth keshel
Well, back in my day, which seems like so recently, but it was 13 years ago now, brigade combat teams were able to deploy anywhere in the world within 96 hours.
So the first brigade of the 25th Striker Brigade Combat Team up in Fort Wayne Wright, Alaska, we had the port of Anchorage to our south about six hours and supposedly get everything on a boat and send the troops in within 96 hours.
So people with these systems can figure out where our refuel points are, where the places that ships may be sailing, where planes are going to fly.
Even people with primitive ability to project power, like Taliban, they would look for aircraft flying over the same landmarks.
And that was one of the guidance air crews.
Make sure you vary your flight patterns.
So some of the things about military intelligence stay the same through all the ages.
tim pool
Well, the, you know, as the saying goes, was it wars are fought on the soldier's belly or something like that?
Being able to feed your troops is one of the most important things, often overlooked in fiction and in history.
Like the invasion of the Confederate forces into the North through with the Battle of Gettysburg had a lot to do with a couple things.
One, they wanted to steal food.
That was a big component.
But the war reason was to terrify the North, to make them feel shock.
You came to fight us, we'll come to fight you and make you feel political ramifications.
But a big component of it was we're going to move north and steal all their food because we're hungry.
And that's why like the British would, that's why we have the Third Amendment.
We're going to come and send troops.
They're going to stay in your house.
They're going to take your stuff.
seth keshel
The first day of Gettysburg could have completely changed the war.
Lee had a beat, and if he would have seized the high ground at Little Roundtop on day one, then he would have commanded the battlefield.
It was normally Longstreet that was the defensive general.
And Longstreet wanted the high ground, and Lee was normally the offensive guy.
tim pool
The other big component there was that the, I believe this was the Union began using breech-loading muskets, and the Confederates were still using muzzle loaders.
So the Union, it would take them about 20 seconds to reload, whereas the Confederates take about a minute and a half.
ian crossland
Matt, I could see something like that happening in the modern war.
Something changes where one side can unload offensive ordnance 15 times faster than the other side all of a sudden.
tim pool
The repeater changed everything.
I love repeaters, dude.
They're one of my favorite.
I think like lever action repeaters are my favorite guns.
Like, what would be where you can go, chick, can you spin it around?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You don't actually spin it around.
ian crossland
Would it be like laser?
Probably laser weaponry.
tim pool
Laser is absolutely not.
ian crossland
You don't think laser weaponry is going to be a super fast attack weapon that will be evolved to.
tim pool
I mean, look, 5.56 is going to fly at what, like 3,500 feet per second?
phil labonte
3,000 out of a 20-inch barrel, yeah.
tim pool
So, so here's the issue: the amount of energy required for a laser weapon to be effective is orders of magnitude, like a hundred orders of magnitude greater than the amount of energy.
ian crossland
It does require a lot of cheese, but they would say, like, the Nazis can't attack France, it's impossible.
No one, and then all of a sudden, the Panzer tank, the Tiger tank, the tank that just tore through the mountains in the woods that no one knew existed.
tim pool
Right, right.
So, the Maginot line was quickly circumvented because they didn't know they could do it.
But it really was just a failure of the Magino line.
I mean, had they actually fortified further down, they may have been more effective, but they didn't.
And then the Germans were able to go around it.
And then they were like, ah, we surrender.
Don't take our cheese.
seth keshel
There's definitely weapons.
tim pool
They took their cheese.
ian crossland
Well, weapons.
seth keshel
There's almost definitely technologies being used today in Iran that nobody's ever conceived of.
We haven't been in a conventional battle force on force in a long time.
tim pool
This is what I'm talking about.
That's what I was saying.
If I wasn't doing here, I'd be applying to Anzer.
I'll be like, bro, I will make some messed up things.
Like, have you ever seen the ion guns?
They're toys, basically.
And you can buy them where it's like a spiraling piece of metal.
And pulling the trigger connects a charge and you can point it at like the UFO and it'll make it spin by blasting just like ions or something.
And so they have these toys where it's a vacuum-sealed glass container with there's like little reflective panels on it resting on just like a stick.
And when you point the ion gun to pull the trigger, it starts spinning because you're like hitting it with electromagnetic frequencies or something.
They're like, me and my friends explored all this stuff quite a bit.
We made funny, silly things.
We never had crazy weapons.
Here's a funny story.
I had a really great idea.
It's still a really great idea.
Taser glove.
But hold on.
Let me finish.
I don't want to hurt anybody.
I want to disable somebody.
So when I was a teenager, everybody was selling those ab workout shockers.
You ever see those?
ian crossland
I love them.
tim pool
You put on the belt and it electrocutes your abs into working out.
And they said, now you don't even got to think about it.
You're exercising while you're sitting at work, which is really dumb, but people did anyway.
And so when I was like 22 or 23, I told my friend, let's, so the way it works is I think it's, what is it, like low amperage, high voltage, or something like this?
I forgot the mix.
So it's painless, but it causes a muscle contraction.
And I said, okay, why don't we put that in a glove so that if you grab someone's arm, the same effect will lock their muscles.
They'll feel no pain, but they can't move.
This would allow you in combat to disable somebody without causing extreme pain and they can't fight back.
So we actually started working on prototyping this out.
And this guy that I worked with was like a big action sports guy.
He's like, bro, I'll hit up Insert famous snowboarding equipment company and we'll get gloves to sponsor it.
And then we'll like film it.
And he hit them up and they're like, this is the coolest thing ever.
And then they agreed to send us some free gloves.
And then they did.
And then immediately emailed and said, my boss freaked out and said, What is wrong with you?
We don't make weapons.
Please don't do this.
So the idea was in the thumb and middle finger, you will have electrodes that when you make contact with the skin, it would have a taser-like effect without pain.
So it would just cause muscle contraction.
ian crossland
So it's like rapid, high-voltage, tit, tit, tit, like really, really fast, high-voltage.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It's a constant, it's a constant current.
So the way those belts worked is that it would do current stop, current stop, and it would cause your muscles to lock up.
And people would put them on their faces and go, and they'd put it on their arms and go, and then I was like, why don't we utilize that, right?
seth keshel
Some Magneto and Professor X stuff right there.
tim pool
That's what I'm talking about.
And then I said, bro, it gets better.
Check it out.
You can then have, I was like, we can take a basic taser and we can attach the components of the taser to the back of the glove right here and then have the electric on the finger for a full taser.
And you can stick people.
I was like, or we can do the contraction type.
And then I said, it gets better.
With the full taser, you could actually take a sword and put contacts on the sword.
So when you're holding it, it makes the current run up to the sword.
So you actually can electrocute people with the sword or slash them.
So let's say they try to deflect the sword.
You can touch the sword to them, completing the circuit and tasing them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And everyone thought it was a bad idea.
phil labonte
Zapped and cut it.
ian crossland
You run it up to like an electrified elbow pad that goes to a backpack with the generator on it.
I mean, I think you're this is the lightsaber.
tim pool
The thing is, you have to have contact points and a current.
That means that in order to make a taser effect, like there has to be a circuit.
So it's not just going to be on your elbow and your hand.
They're going to be conflicting circuits.
carter banks
Yeah, I have these Pavlock shot clock bracelets that help me wake up in the morning and they tase me.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
carter banks
It's called the Pavlock.
tim pool
Oh, that was on Shark Tank.
And they laughed at the guy.
It's the dumbest thing ever.
carter banks
Dude, I've been using them for eight years.
It's miserable.
No, it does.
It sucks, but I just, I'm a heavy sleeper.
phil labonte
You have a child.
Why do you need that?
carter banks
Because the child keeps me up so long.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
carter banks
Then I fall into a deep sleep.
tim pool
Just get a sun lamp.
They have sun lamps that the way it works is you set the time you want to wake up and then within 10 minutes, it slowly starts lighting up and then it starts playing sounds.
So you know I can't stand alarms like that stuff.
You're sleeping.
You're in a peaceful dream.
I'm riding on the back of a Pegasus and Ian is behind me and we're giggling and laughing together.
And then all of a sudden, and I'm like, my heart's going crazy.
And I'm like, Ian, and then I'm like, my head hurts.
And I'm like, so I like the very light chill kind of stuff.
unidentified
I like that.
tim pool
Bro, at Charles de Gaulle Airport, they do this.
Have you ever been to Charles de Gaulle Airport in France?
ian crossland
No, I think I have been through.
tim pool
You're in the airport in the United States, and you'll hear a attention, customers.
And you're like, oh, geez.
At Charles de Gaulle, it'll go real slow so that no one's shocked.
And then it's like, it plays this like ambient airy noise, very polite.
And it's like, bonjou.
I don't speak French.
phil labonte
I kind of feel like that would be something that they do in like Japan or something very polite.
tim pool
No way.
Japan?
phil labonte
Yeah, they're polite there.
ian crossland
They bang a gong.
I'm just kidding.
tim pool
That's China prime.
I feel like Germany, they would just scream.
Ah!
unidentified
Achdung!
tim pool
And you're like, exactly.
You're like, okay, I'm sorry.
Let's talk about warm war.
We got this story from the FBI.
I'm sorry, we have this story from the DOJ has confirmed.
The FBI has confirmed.
Kash Patel's email has been hacked by Iran.
And then Daily Mail puts embarrassing private photos and emails linked online.
I'm sorry.
There's literally nothing embarrassing about it.
I mean, it's kind of embarrassing they hacked your email through like a phishing scheme or whatever they did.
But like, here's a shocking photo of Cash smiling with his girlfriend, having fun.
phil labonte
Password, password.
tim pool
Here's, look at these photos.
It's like, here's Cash enjoying a beautiful spring day and having a cigar.
Here's Cash enjoying summer's weather with a vehicle.
I don't understand how any of this is like, haha, we got you.
It's like, oh, okay.
I mean, it is, it does suck that they got your emails and it's like, did you guys know that Cash's favorite food is like, you know, curry or something?
It's like, well, he's Indian, I guess.
I don't know.
I don't actually know that it's true.
I love curry, by the way.
But I'm saying like the most embarrassing thing is going to be that, you know, he orders his steak well done with ketchup, I guess.
There's like nothing in here.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like, oh, hey, we found out he's kind of a normal guy.
The thing is, this is sort of a sight of what's to come.
I think especially if AI does autonomate, and they call it the apocalypse, the APO, meaning the removal of the calypse, which is the veil, removing the veil where it just correct.
tim pool
It means like revelation.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a Greek term.
And just like everyone's email, I think will be public at some point.
All of your technology will go public.
tim pool
Post-Soviet's what happened.
ian crossland
Post-Soviet.
tim pool
After the fall of the Soviet Union, all of that information that was stolen started to leak out.
ian crossland
And it leveled the playing field.
People just told me that.
tim pool
Everybody just shut up.
ian crossland
Except for the oligarchs that probably didn't get their shit leaked.
tim pool
So apparently after the fall of the Soviet Union, people were basically like looking at each other and being like, I know what that guy's into, but he knows what I'm into.
So I'm going to say nothing.
seth keshel
Ultimately, the capacity for information gathering has surpassed the human brain's ability to comprehend it.
People are so zoned out with the daily news cycle.
And I don't mean to bring up a memory we all wish we could forget, but it's six months later and nobody really even talks about Charlie Kirk being shot anymore.
Well, that was one of the most important things.
tim pool
I completely disagree with that.
ian crossland
You might be right out there, but this week.
tim pool
I mean, just today or just yesterday, Michael Rappaport tweeted out, has Candace come any closer to solving Charlie's murder yet?
Because it's the only thing that woman talks about.
And I got to be honest, the only thing that is guaranteed to get views on YouTube right now is talking about how Erica Kirk was involved in Charlie's murder.
seth keshel
Well, you're right.
The fallout remains.
I'm talking about the actual event itself.
It's in the distant memory even six months later.
So this kind of stuff right here, nobody will talk about this on Monday.
No, they're definitely saying, hey, look at us, look at our capabilities here.
tim pool
People don't remember, in fact, when Ian was arrested and jailed for mercilessly beating that child.
And it's just that too.
It's not even the news anymore.
seth keshel
People are over all the scandal and all the stuff.
So even if there was anything bad in there, Trump took a lot of the personal stuff out of politics where he took so many arrows over.
He did this, he said that, he knew this person, where now it doesn't really land.
They're trying the same thing with Ken Paxton in Texas and people are already saying about him.
tim pool
They're saying stuff about Ken Paxton.
seth keshel
Well, he's going through a divorce.
And, you know, there's a lot of conjecture.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
I just totally forgot about that.
seth keshel
So he's one of the 50% of Americans who are going through or are divorced, right?
So congratulations.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I don't know what to believe.
A lot of it's fake.
So that's why my mind glazes over.
tim pool
Who initiated the divorce?
It was his wife, right?
seth keshel
She did.
ian crossland
You work too much.
tim pool
Death before dishonor.
ian crossland
I don't even want to get a moment.
tim pool
Divorce is unacceptable.
ian crossland
It makes no sense to me, divorce.
But neither does marriage.
tim pool
I think we should get rid of no-fault divorce.
And courts should require counseling before divorce is allowed.
And only and only divorce should only be allowed if I'm not even a big fan of infidelity as a cause for divorce.
I think there should be a penalty on the other individual.
But I would say that abuse should be like, I mean, the only reason to warrant a divorce.
ian crossland
It was hard to prove.
That's part of the argument is like a woman would be like, he's abusing me.
A guy's like, no, I'm not.
tim pool
Lots of things are hard to prove.
So what?
Lots of things are hard to prove.
ian crossland
Then the guy would just keep beating the hell out of his wife.
tim pool
And then eventually they're going to be like, okay, here she is blighted up and beaten again.
The cops would eventually come in.
Look, if a woman shows up and she's totally fine with no harm to her and she's like, I was abused, they'll be like, I mean, you can't accuse a guy of a crime without proof.
It doesn't matter if it's abuse or otherwise.
ian crossland
We can record stuff now and then you can fake recordings too.
tim pool
Agreed.
The issue for me is when it comes to the Me Too stuff, it's always like, this should be the one area of law where I don't need proof.
It's like, what?
Shut up.
No, you need proof.
You can't accuse someone of crime without evidence.
I mean, like, well, actually, no, you can.
You can get sued for defamation, I guess.
But if you want to prove it and have penalties under law, like you need evidence of a crime.
So divorce.
No.
ian crossland
I mean, is that, do you guys want to talk about it?
I have mixed feelings.
tim pool
We already are.
Don't you think people should be allowed to get divorced?
ian crossland
No, no, I like no-fault divorce.
I think people should be able to walk away from a marriage at the top of a hat.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Because I don't owe you anything.
tim pool
I don't know that when you enter a deal.
phil labonte
I literally made a contract.
Have I made an agreement?
ian crossland
Maybe I owe her.
I'd sign a prenup.
I don't know anything that anymore.
tim pool
The contract, as stated, is till death do us part.
And you don't get to break that contract.
ian crossland
I'll take that out of the contract.
tim pool
Then don't get married.
See, this is the problem.
ian crossland
I'll get married.
tim pool
Marriage is turned to money.
ian crossland
You're not a business, dude.
tim pool
Marriage is turned into money.
ian crossland
Marriage is like a functional business contract.
tim pool
No, no, no.
You're talking about dating.
ian crossland
If you want to date someone, all your money and not having to pay taxes on it.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
That's what you can do with your wife.
tim pool
No, you can't spend it.
ian crossland
You can put it all in your joint bank account and she can spend it.
tim pool
If you think that's wrong, that's not true.
If you think the only married issue is married and high net worth, and what I'm telling you is that is wrong.
ian crossland
So you say if you put money in your joint bank account, she can't spend it without paying taxes on it.
tim pool
Yes.
Ian, I can't give my mom money.
ian crossland
Your wife, what?
tim pool
I understand what you're saying.
I am making a point about misconceptions on how this stuff works.
ian crossland
So, wait, if you put $100,000 in a joint bank account with your wife, you're saying if she spends that money, she has to pay taxes on that?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
How much?
tim pool
Depending on her income, it's income.
phil labonte
You pay taxes on it before it gets put into the.
tim pool
I cannot create a joint account for anyone, be it my wife, brother, mom, child.
If I claim as I'm a dependent, I can.
The way taxes work, my wife has to choose whether or not her income and my income is the same thing or not.
If it's the same thing, it's all taxed no matter what.
If it's not, it's income.
She has to pay taxes on it when I give it to her.
ian crossland
Yeah, I know.
I'm talking about money you've already paid taxes on that you put in your joint bank account together that you guys own together.
That's your money.
tim pool
Ian, she will have to pay taxes on it.
Okay, if I get paid from my job, okay, and then I put that money in an account and she uses it, that's income after the fact.
If I pay taxes on my money and exchange it with literally anyone else who is not a dependent, they have to pay taxes on it, married or otherwise.
So you can choose to file jointly or you could file separately.
Separately means her money is her money, my money is my money.
And if I give her money, she has to report it as income.
ian crossland
And if you file jointly?
tim pool
Jointly, then all the money she gets pays at the same tax rate as myself is one lump of money.
That means if you are ultra-wealthy and you're, this is what people think.
This is how it works.
Imagine a guy's a billionaire and he says, I am going to marry this woman and she can spend my money as she sees fit, but she ain't going to pay taxes on it because it's not income.
That's just not correct.
That's just not how it works.
She can join in with you and all the money is taxed, the highest tax bracket, or she can say, my money is my money, taxed at the lower bracket.
And then I give her money and it's taxed income.
You don't like the craziest thing to me is that people think, I guess it's just a lack of experience or understanding.
People, you can't give family members money.
It's taxed.
The gift limit from the IRS applies to all people, regardless of their family.
The only exception is dependents.
You can give dependents money.
So went over this the first thing I did when I made money.
I said, I'd like to buy my mom a house.
And my accountant says, you cannot do that.
And I said, what?
Why not?
And he goes, it will be income.
She must pay taxes on that house.
And I said, so what does that result in?
And he was like, okay, well, a $300,000 house, for example, you buy that, you gift it to your mom.
That's $300,000 in income.
She will owe, you know, 23% or whatever.
So she's going to owe $60,000 to the IRS.
And if she doesn't pay it, they'll seize the house.
And I'm like, what?
So what do I do?
You can't do anything.
Congratulations.
Like, this is how tax law works.
ian crossland
I just want to clarify this joint filing jointly.
So, if you make a million dollars, pay taxes on it, you walk away with what, $500,000, you put it in your joint bank account.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Your wife, then, if she spends that money, she has to pay taxes again on it.
tim pool
Correct.
ian crossland
And what is that?
tim pool
Another, another whatever her income is and whatever she bracket she's taxed at, she'd have paid taxes on it.
ian crossland
Income, but she says she doesn't work.
tim pool
Yes, income is income regardless of whether you have a job or not.
ian crossland
You've already paid taxes on your income that you have in the joint bank account.
You're saying now you can spend it and not pay taxes on it.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
If she does, correct?
She has to pay taxes on it.
What if she uses your joint bank account card?
tim pool
That's that's she has to pay tax on the income.
ian crossland
So if you're the one handing the card over, there's no tax.
But if she's the one handing the card over, that payment gets taxed.
What are you if she buys a hat on Amazon?
She has to pay income tax on that?
tim pool
Yes, you are correct.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
So what?
Do people just use your card for everything?
tim pool
No, that would be lying to the IRS.
ian crossland
But what do people do?
Why would they pay double tax?
unidentified
What the?
ian crossland
I'm sorry.
tim pool
Ian's becoming an anarchist.
ian crossland
Either I'm misunderstanding it or that's very strange data.
tim pool
Anytime money is transferred to another person, that person must pay taxes on it, right?
Income does not mean job.
It does not mean W-2.
Income comes from many different sources.
It can be W-2G, your favorite.
That's gambling earnings.
You play a game of poker, you win a hand.
That's W-2G.
It's taxed at 23%.
I think it's 23% capped, meaning even if you're a billionaire, it's still 23%.
Whereas, actually, no, no, no, I think it might be general income these days, meaning it'll be taxed at 37.5 or whatever.
So again, I have a joint bank account and my wife is choosing to file solely and separately.
ian crossland
No, no, no, jointly.
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
No, You misunderstand.
Oh, you're saying if we file taxes jointly, that's one person.
And that means, so let me explain.
If I am married and we both say we are filing as a married couple, if my wife goes and takes a job for $100,000 a year, she will pay $37.5, the highest tax bracket.
Understand?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Because our income is one income.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Now she might say, that sucks.
Normally, I'd only pay 23% if we filed separately.
You can do that too.
Then she works a job at $100,000 a year, files separately.
Her income for the year is only $100,000 and she pays 23%.
I then can't give her money.
I can buy things for myself and my dependents.
She can benefit from them.
But if she takes money from my account to spend, she has income.
That's just it.
That's just how it works.
ian crossland
I'm not talking about filing separately.
I never mentioned filing separately ever in this comment.
tim pool
You did.
ian crossland
I talked about filing jointly.
unidentified
You did.
tim pool
You said you can get married to someone and transfer your wealth, so you're going to have to pay taxes on it.
It has no such thing.
ian crossland
If you marry someone and you file jointly, why would you ever let your wife go to the store and buy hamburgers if she has to pay income tax on that?
Whereas if you go to the store, you don't have to pay income taxes.
tim pool
That's why people don't file separately.
ian crossland
No, if you're jointly filing, you just told me that if you file jointly understanding, you just the first thing I said was joint filing makes your income one.
It's crazy.
Did he tell me that if you file jointly and the woman spends the money, she has to pay double income tax on it?
tim pool
You've misheard me.
That's not what I said.
seth keshel
This is why I hire out my taxes.
tim pool
I mean, you might.
ian crossland
Is it crazy?
Did I hear what I said?
I have explicitly said it's recorded, so I'm going to rewatch it.
tim pool
I'm also a little bit confused because, like, so you said a joint bank account filing separately.
ian crossland
No, I never filing separately.
When a married couple files jointly and they have a joint bank account, you only have to pay income tax on that when the man brings the money in.
And then you can spend, both of you can spend it on whatever you want.
That's my understanding.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Okay, then why would you say that?
No, she has to pay taxes on it.
tim pool
Because you made the claim that you can get married and your wife.
ian crossland
You're not even.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I did not make, I did not claim that you can use marriage as a business transaction to avoid paying taxes.
ian crossland
It is a bit the marriage license is a form of a business contract.
That's what I said.
tim pool
But it is a contract.
I don't call it a business contract.
ian crossland
I mean, you can share money and work on things together without having to.
tim pool
Again, this is the point.
When you marry someone, you can file jointly, which means your spouse has to pay taxes at the same rate as you because her income and your income is the exact same.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
So you're not avoiding taxes.
You're not.
ian crossland
Yeah, but she doesn't have to work.
tim pool
But that's just you choosing to give someone money.
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Right.
But you can't give other people that same amount of money without having to pay gift taxes and things like that.
unidentified
And?
ian crossland
But your wife you're going to have to do.
You pay your unlimited amounts of money to essentially.
tim pool
If you're filing jointly as one person, it's indeed.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
That's I don't understand what your point is.
ian crossland
My point is that that's why I consider it a business contract because it's like having a part in business.
tim pool
Again, to go back to the beginning, this is the problem with modern society is that marriage is dating now.
ian crossland
I mean, marriage is a business license, dude.
tim pool
The purpose of marriage is a death contract.
That's why people should not be allowed to break it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe that was the original.
Yeah, that was, of course, the original purpose of it was.
You own that woman, basically.
It was.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
She had to change her name.
phil labonte
Women responsible.
She didn't have rights.
Remember, women couldn't have credit cards until the 70s.
They couldn't order rights.
tim pool
I strongly object to your framing, Phil.
She didn't have rights.
Of course, women had rights.
phil labonte
Please enlighten me into your thoughts.
tim pool
What rights did women not have?
phil labonte
Prior to, there was a point in time where women were considered, the way that Ian's saying, they were considered property because they were not responsible for their own behavior.
They couldn't own property.
They couldn't have bank accounts and stuff like that.
So the reason that women were considered property.
tim pool
Have a right to a bank account?
phil labonte
Women couldn't have credit cards and stuff like that until they couldn't vote either.
tim pool
Yeah, but the reason women couldn't have the reason women couldn't have credit cards was not because it was like, oh, women are second class.
It was because they didn't work.
They didn't have credit.
It wasn't like these women shouldn't be allowed to buy things.
phil labonte
I do think that you couldn't have a credit card in your name as a woman.
tim pool
Because we went over this already a long time ago.
It had to do with property ownership and credit lines as opposed to you're a woman.
And so some women did have credit cards, but companies chose not to issue them because you were considered less likely to have income.
phil labonte
My broader point is women and men that got married, the man was responsible for the woman, right?
So that was one of the things that the suffragettes that, you know, one of the arguments against women's suffrage.
Women that did not want the right to vote said, well, then we're going to have all the responsibilities that men have.
Right now, we don't have the same responsibilities that men have.
If we get the right to vote, they're going to eventually have, et cetera, et cetera.
And even to things that we talk about here, Tim talks about, you know, women should be up for the draft because they have full enfranchisement.
The reason that women were considered second class or didn't have quote unquote rights is because they didn't have the corresponding responsibilities.
tim pool
Long story short, if you publicly state till death do us part, that's it.
No divorce ever.
phil labonte
I mean, I think there should be extenuating circumstances.
Like if you've got a violent husband or something like that, fine, but otherwise.
tim pool
And you can prove it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And otherwise adjudicated.
phil labonte
Yeah, like you make a commitment, you make a promise.
The whole point of it is I'm committing my life to you.
We're in this through thick and thin.
The idea that, well, I just don't feel like it, that's not good enough.
tim pool
Yeah, life, I think society would be so much better if people were forced to adhere to their word.
Meaning like if you made a vow, that vow is law.
So contract law, obviously, then we dispute, no, I didn't agree to that.
And then it's adjudicated.
Can you prove that this is, you know, who was right is who is wrong?
And that means sometimes bad people will figure ways to weasel out of their bond and their word.
But marriage is pretty simple.
You sign that marriage license and you say that till death do us part.
It's like, well, okay.
And that's it.
And the exception, of course, is a criminal action.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Criminal activity.
phil labonte
Infidelity, violence.
tim pool
I don't agree with infidelity either.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
No, I think there should be penalties for infidelity.
Certain penalties.
We have to navigate how that is, but someone who is engaged in infidelity.
I suppose, you know, maybe we put it like the aggrieved partner has the right to dissolve the marriage if they so choose.
carter banks
That's what I was thinking.
tim pool
And the individual, the perpetrator, the guilty, is no longer allowed to ever enter into a marriage contract.
phil labonte
Yeah, if you can't be trusted, you can't be trusted.
ian crossland
That's too much government for me.
That's too much oversight.
unidentified
I kind of want to just.
tim pool
What do you mean it's optional?
You got to get married.
phil labonte
I used to believe that I used to believe in too much government for government should be out of everything.
But I have so little faith in people nowadays.
I really think that people need guide rails on life.
seth keshel
Government has only recently been involved in marriage.
unidentified
Yeah.
seth keshel
It wasn't a government thing when it first started.
phil labonte
I know that perspective is fairly unpopular, but like people, people need some kind of guide rails.
And with religion not giving them the guide rails that they used to have, I think that there still needs to be something that keeps people kind of on the straight and narrow.
At the very least, incentivizes them to keep on the straight and narrow, even if it isn't, you know, you're going to get thrown in jail for it.
tim pool
Let's go nuts.
We got this story from TMZ.
Look, smacksing clavicular shoots up dead Gator.
Oh, boy.
So at first, I was saying, like, I think maybe it's fake, but you can clearly see when they're pulling the trigger, these are live rounds.
They also, I don't know if they have the video here.
I think we have it pulled up.
phil labonte
You zoom into that.
tim pool
No, no, that's black.
phil labonte
Eyes are closed when that gun's going off.
tim pool
Oh, that's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's like, ah.
tim pool
What do we got here?
Let's play this.
So this is a crime.
Even if the Gator is dead, this is illegal.
They also, so they unload.
phil labonte
He's keeping his eyes closed, too.
tim pool
Wow.
carter banks
That's terrible.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well, you know what?
You might have one eye closed because you might be doing the whole.
carter banks
Oh, you're not supposed to do that.
tim pool
So you're not.
phil labonte
That's wrong.
tim pool
Here's the thing.
Was it dead first?
How could they?
I don't know if it was always dead.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that Gator's dead Gator just floating along a river.
No, usually alive.
tim pool
They are usually alive.
ian crossland
And he was like, and the guy's like, yeah, that Gator is dead?
Like, because he shot it once and killed it.
tim pool
Here's the other thing.
There's video of him.
They're in the Everglades and they're shooting into open fields.
He's got a rifle.
That's illegal.
It's also psychotic, shooting with no backstop.
They don't know what they're shooting at.
Someone says on camera, there's maybe people down there.
They could be lying for attention.
Doesn't matter because the Everglades have people and animals and shooting randomly with no backstop, criminal.
They also open fire on a drone, which appears to be theirs.
Also super illegal.
Bro, this dude committed like seven felonies on stream.
It's wild.
I'm sorry, Gen Z is losing their minds.
This dude is getting attention because this is what gets attention.
Obviously, we're giving it attention.
He was arrested for assault.
He's being investigated for shooting the dead gator, stressing shooting a dead gator is still illegal.
And people are going to be like, well, that's dumb, the gators.
That doesn't matter.
Because the issue is the reason why they have wildlife protections is to balance the ecosystem.
The reason why this is bad is that normally animals would come and eat the gator carcass.
Now it's full of lead, which is going to result in other animals dying.
You cannot do this stuff.
It's illegal.
Firing up into the air anywhere is insane.
And shooting at any drone, whether you own it or not, is illegal.
It's an FAA violation and a felony.
You cannot shoot drones, even if you own it.
carter banks
You can't miss, you're still firing up into the air.
tim pool
So one of the reasons why you can't do it.
And I think this dude should be in prison for a long time.
He's a meth addict, self-described meth addict who sterilized himself, has hopped up on a whole bunch of goofballs and now is on camera shooting illegally into these animals.
Doesn't matter.
Now, maybe they faked the whole thing and it's a fake gator.
They put it there and propped up.
I really doubt it because most people don't know and they probably assume it's not illegal to shoot a carcass.
They're in the Everglades.
You can't do this even on private property.
And the response from people are like, they're in the middle of nowhere.
unidentified
Who cares?
tim pool
Like, let them do it.
Bro, I'm not playing these games, dude.
This is going to get guns banned, right?
This is the kind of stuff where Democrats will come out and see and say, this is a legal gun owner and they're not killing people, but this is the kind of reckless, psychotic behavior.
Who is it?
Who is Chuck?
Was driving down the street?
Remember the bullet hit his car?
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah, Charlie.
tim pool
Someone was shooting and he was driving and a bullet hit his car.
And that's the kind of stuff that gets guns banned.
seth keshel
Yeah, I think that we need to look at the generations.
I was 23 when I got my first smartphone.
So I at least got to grow up through high school and most of college without one.
So there was a period of time when the internet came out where we had some connectivity to each other, but not completely always connected, where everybody was recording something all the time.
So this generation clearly is needing constant stimulation, constant stuff to look at and click.
And they can't repeat the same stuff.
So it's going to get more and more extreme.
And if somebody ever comes by me and my wife and sprays us with a super soaker like we saw yesterday, they better be able to run.
There was a big video yesterday where somebody was going down the street spraying everybody with a super soaker.
unidentified
You're dead.
tim pool
If I'm walking with my wife and child and you pull up anything and point it at me, everything's good on our end, YouTube.
And I want to be very careful here.
I am talking about in defense of my baby daughter.
I am not going to wait to figure out if you're playing a prank or not or intending to spray me with acid.
And I want to stress this.
I want to stress this.
I'm going to be very, very careful.
I know it's a very, maybe, maybe we'll bleep that.
Callan.
carter banks
I'll write the time down.
tim pool
It's good.
ian crossland
He's let.
tim pool
I know pre-recording is great.
I want to stress this.
I will defend myself with whatever force available to me, available, which is available to me if you aim anything at my wife and child.
I am not going to be like, well, now hold on.
My one-year-old baby daughter, maybe it's just water.
Hell no.
We get threats of acid attacks.
We see acid attacks.
I ain't sticking around and waiting to figure out what you're trying to do.
There's a video of a black dude walking up to a guy's car with a canister of gas, but it's water.
And he starts splashing on the vehicle and the guy draws his gun.
And then the guy's like, no, no, it's water.
unidentified
Stop.
That's up.
tim pool
And he goes, you almost died, you dumb mother effer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Not playing around.
You come up to my car with a canister of gasoline and start splashing it.
I'm not waiting for you to light it up.
It's not happening.
phil labonte
I'll be calling the insurance company to fix the glass before.
seth keshel
Mike Tyson is one of the smartest people to ever exist in the modern age.
He said that thanks to the internet, that nobody's really afraid of getting hit in the face anymore.
tim pool
And then once people do stuff like that, they don't realize that there's real people with what's really crazy about these videos is how many times they're flagging each other, basically.
Like, I'm surprised these retards didn't die.
Like, dude's waving his gun around like a moron.
They have no discipline.
Clearly, they're shooting into open fields.
I'm like, yeah, that's how someone gets shot in the face.
phil labonte
I mean, it's unlikely that that would happen because they're in the Everglades, but to your point earlier, like.
tim pool
No, These undisciplined guys waving guns around?
carter banks
Yeah, The penalties are the same.
If they hit somebody, that's on them.
phil labonte
Yeah.
seth keshel
That's probably a national park, which makes me wonder how they got the clearance to even shoot that because I went on a tour there.
It's just parked.
tim pool
They don't have any.
phil labonte
Yeah, you can carry guns.
tim pool
We're under investigation right now.
phil labonte
But the idea that you can just go ahead and start shooting an animal because, you know.
carter banks
They likely won't be allowed to own guns in the future after the jail.
phil labonte
He admits to using meth.
He shouldn't have a gun in the first place.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Oh, he's oh, that's a good point.
He's in deep trouble now.
unidentified
Yeah.
carter banks
Like, he was already in trouble.
phil labonte
He's admitted to using meth.
tim pool
They're going to add this too and be like, if this goes to trial, they're going to be like, do you use meth?
He's going to be like, no.
And they're going to be like, you say you did.
He's going to either have to admit everything's fake.
I think it's all fake.
Like, he claims he wakes up in the morning and hits himself in the face with a hammer.
It's just fake stuff.
carter banks
I kind of believe it, though.
tim pool
It's possible, but I would say this.
Either way, it shows a serious problem for Gen Z.
unidentified
You're not going to make enough money at your job to buy a house.
tim pool
So Gen Z has stopped saving.
In order to get fame and attention, you have to be retarded.
So clavicle is like, or clavicular or whatever.
ian crossland
Brandon Peters is indeed.
tim pool
He's like, he says he does meth.
ian crossland
I'm sorry, Brayden.
tim pool
He sterilized himself.
That's the kind of thing he thinks he needs to do to get attention, and that's what's working.
ian crossland
Do you sterilize himself?
tim pool
Yeah, because he takes testosterone, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's sterile.
He's sterile.
ian crossland
Literally?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
He said out loud, I'm sterile.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
And his ball's shrunk.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
He named himself after the clavicle.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Which is that bone?
tim pool
The funny thing is, here's why I think it's fake.
I'm going to tell you why I think it's fake because the dude might be like.
Let me do this.
Clavic.
ian crossland
Let's call him Brayden.
Come humiliate.
tim pool
Well, everybody knows what his name is.
I'm going to tell you why I think it's fake.
Let me find the mugshot of him.
This is why I think he's not really doing any of these things.
His chin is off-center.
His lips are imbalanced.
He's got one nostril bigger than the other.
His eyes, he's got offset eyes.
Like, I don't think this guy actually looks maximum.
carter banks
Did you see what he looked like originally, though?
Before he claims to have been a majority of a previous, like when he was 16 or something like that.
phil labonte
Yeah, the looks max.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't believe that.
carter banks
Well, it could be lies, but what is it?
tim pool
I'm pulling it up.
carter banks
Supposedly that's him in the beginning before he maxed.
tim pool
I don't think that's true.
I don't think he's done like airbrushing, maybe, but, and you can exercise, but I don't think he's done the more extreme things that he's claimed to do.
Like his ears are uneven, his eyes are off.
Like, I don't believe this guy is actually working really, really hard in terms of the extreme things like hitting himself with a hammer and getting surgeries.
I think he's probably just generally working out, maybe taking testosterone, but that seems weird for a 19.
How is he 19?
Oh, you don't need to take testosterone.
carter banks
He was taking it since before.
I think it like ruined his puberty even.
This is what I heard.
I don't know if that's true or not.
ian crossland
This is like the male version of the Jazz Jennings or plastic surgery.
It's not quite trans, but it's sort of the body maxing thing is kind of trans.
seth keshel
We've created a pretty unhealthy society for young folks that feel like they need to keep up with everyone else's social media.
A lot of those kids that are in their early teens think that the long and short of what their life is is to become an influencer.
unidentified
Yeah.
seth keshel
And it results.
But they have to outdo one another constantly and get more and more crazy with the kind of content they make.
And that, of course, makes it dangerous for everybody else.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I love, well, part of me, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, he's 19.
ian crossland
Like, I don't know what it is, vengeance.
I like seeing the prankster get fucked up.
Like, I like seeing the prankster going too far and then the guy reacting normal and fucking the guy up.
And the guy's like, I'm so sorry.
I'm so sorry.
And you're like, yeah, I know.
And you're going to be more sorry.
I love that.
I feel like they deserve it and it satisfies me.
But it's like, I don't want to go down that hellhole too much, but I do love watching bullies get the shit kicked out of them, man.
tim pool
Oh, is this?
He was arrested for running someone over?
Is that what it was?
carter banks
Yeah, that's what I heard.
phil labonte
When I first heard his name, it was because of him being arrested for it.
tim pool
So is this, this is it?
ian crossland
Maybe.
unidentified
Oh, my God!
You probably just ran him over.
Oops.
What the?
tim pool
Is this it?
carter banks
I don't know how he's doing it.
tim pool
You can't see anything.
Like, I think.
I mean, he got arrested, but I wonder how much of this is fake.
You know what I mean?
Like, because in the videos, you never actually see them doing anything.
Like, that Gator.
I got to be honest, guys, in the social media age, you buy a dummy dead gator, you pull up, you throw it in the water, you shoot into it.
You're on a private piece of land that's swampy that looks like the Everglades.
And then you say you did it.
Everyone says, that's illegal.
You're going to go to jail.
We make segments about it.
And then you're like, it was a stunt.
It was a stunt done on a controlled set with a prop.
And then with this, you don't actually see anything.
carter banks
Yeah, I could all just.
tim pool
Look, watch.
Here's a guy jumping on his car.
You don't see anything.
Now they're saying he was arrested.
I bet he wasn't even.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't arrested.
It's just influencers going, man, he got arrested.
carter banks
Jail records.
ian crossland
Drum up some attention, man.
Get your name out there, Clavicular Brayden.
Sorry, dude.
I don't hate you.
I just, it's sad to see a guy in his mid-20s overdose on drugs, get super famous and burn out and die.
He's like early 20s.
He's fame as a drug, dude.
And you're a better human than what you look like.
tim pool
He appeared to run over someone who was jumping on his truck, claiming self-defense.
It's unclear whether it was a staged stunt.
I think it's all fake, right?
Like, I don't think the dude actually bone smashes, does meth.
These are all shock claims.
19-year-olds don't need to take testosterone.
His testosterone is probably already like 800, you know, or something that he does, right?
phil labonte
Like, I've seen video of him actually doing it.
He's not, like, hitting himself hard.
It's very much just tapping on it.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can do that with your own hands, too.
tim pool
I know, that's what I'm saying.
I don't think it's real.
ian crossland
It'll grow in the direction you push.
tim pool
It'll damage the skin.
And then he would have welts and damaged skin in his face.
ian crossland
I would like pull my jaw open, like pull it.
tim pool
No, it's not a thing either.
ian crossland
It moves.
Over time, it's like doing clay.
Bone is kind of like clay.
carter banks
My friend's dad said instead of braces, he just pushed on one of his teeth every day for like two years and it fixed it.
ian crossland
What will happen is you push it and then it starts growing in that direction until it gets pushed in a new direction and then it starts growing in that direction.
From my experience, is what it seems like.
tim pool
It's also how you get ingrown toenails.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
People will cut their nails too short.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it'll start growing down and then it'll get, and then it's on that direction.
ian crossland
I figured that out in my 20s.
That's a good thing for people to learn.
Like, don't cut your nails too short and you will not get ingrown.
tim pool
Yep.
Because then it can't.
I think social media is largely fake, but the point is whether or not this guy's real or it's all just one big reality TV show, which is, I think it's probably reality TV.
I don't think I had arrested.
I think the shooting that they were doing is probably all staged and fake and they're lying.
Like there might have been controlled backstop you can't see off camera because they want to make shock content.
I do think it's possible there are a bunch of retards went around shooting guns.
That happens too.
phil labonte
Going with retards.
tim pool
It's really easy to fake all this stuff.
I mean, most of the internet is fake.
You've got reaction videos.
People are reacting to AI videos they make.
They'll go on to Garak.
They'll make an AI video and then they'll react to it and go, whoa, and they'll get a million views.
And you'll get paid.
So I don't see why anybody would have to do what he's doing literally.
The vehicular assault, you never actually see anything happen.
And in fact, the guy rolls off the side.
It looks like he didn't even get hit.
It did not look like assault at all.
It looks fake.
phil labonte
He got run over.
tim pool
Well, he rolls off the top of the truck.
I don't think so.
I think I would lean more towards he's a character.
He was propped up.
It's reality TV content.
It's just meant to be shocking internet content.
ian crossland
He does seem high.
I will say that.
I've seen some of his videos, and he looks like I looked in my mid-20s, high as hell.
Like maybe it was weed.
unidentified
It's probably.
tim pool
Maybe acting.
ian crossland
Maybe, but he's so high.
He seems very like high.
Maybe, but he's really, really vapid.
Like that, that whole like.
tim pool
Look, the point is this.
Gen Z is seeing this, being told it's real, and they're being told this is how you get famous.
So the unfortunate end result is a lot of young people, Gen Alpha, are going to be like, I want to be famous like him too.
And they will start doing these things and running out, running people over and stuff.
ian crossland
That's why I like seeing these bullies get their comeuppance.
Yes, that's a good way to put it.
Why I like seeing these like these publicity stunt mongrels getting like slapped back down to reality.
I do like that because I don't, I think it's an emergent and phenomenon that people will start replicating if we don't stop it.
Like, I don't want people running up to someone in a shopping mall with a fake gun and being like, oh, get on the ground.
And then it's a prank, dude.
tim pool
Bro, look at the mall not too far from here that we sometimes go to where the, was it DoorDash driver?
Remember the story?
ian crossland
Yeah, he shot the guy.
tim pool
He shot the guy in the chest.
ian crossland
It was a pick.
tim pool
Because the guy kept shoving something in his face and he backs off and he pulls his gun and shoots him like, I don't know what's going on.
And then they criminally charged the guy who's defending himself.
unidentified
Insane.
ian crossland
Self-defense.
tim pool
That's Virginia.
ian crossland
My opinion.
tim pool
I think he got the shooter was acquitted, though.
phil labonte
Yeah, maybe he maybe back then, but nowadays he would not be.
tim pool
I don't know.
They're both white.
phil labonte
With the existing agents.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
Yeah.
tim pool
If the YouTuber was black, maybe.
Yeah, for real.
If the YouTuber is white and the guy shooting was black, no charges.
If the YouTuber is black and the shooter is white, he's getting locked up for 20 years.
If they're both white, I think people just say, like, I don't care.
ian crossland
You think having clavicular on the show would be a good idea?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Nick Fuentes does it pretty well.
tim pool
But like Nick Fuentes has ideas about things, whether he's right or wrong.
Clavicular is just a functional retard.
ian crossland
Just bring him on to be like, hey, change your life, please.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
5 million people watching.
phil labonte
What are we not intervention?
ian crossland
Yeah, basically.
Yeah.
I mean, hey, you want to be a social media?
tim pool
We can bring him on to the culture jam.
ian crossland
Fix this guy.
phil labonte
I don't think that we should be bringing people on to try and have an intervention in this.
ian crossland
That's what I want to do in 2026.
phil labonte
Considering this is how he makes money, right?
Like this ridiculousness is what he actually does.
Like the ridiculousness is how he has a fan base.
We're not going to be like, hey, dude, you should stop doing this.
He'd be like, yeah, I'm not going to make the money that I make.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ian crossland
F you will stop, but do it better.
Do it.
seth keshel
Help people.
So people do this on Twitter or X all the time.
It's not as extreme as this, but the X economy is similar.
40% higher engagement for negative and black pilling posts.
And that's why if you want to get into the political side of things, why people are so negative.
There's a lot of things to analyze that go for the long run, good, bad, and everything in between.
But a lot of people figure out how to monetize and make it hum.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, the monetization on X is there are good things and bad things about it.
Because you do see people trying to make more nuanced posts with intelligent takes.
But, you know, there's still the situation where it's like you get some kind of slot picture or whatever, and you make a dumb comment and it goes viral for some reason.
Or you just say something that's controversial and people are just like, oh, some of the biggest posts that I've ever put, it ends up like breaking kind of out of my bubble and it goes into spaces with people that strongly disagree with me.
And then the replies are just a never-ending stream of criticism and telling me how stupid I am.
But it's like, I mean, you made me a boatload of money this week, you know?
So that happens regularly, too.
seth keshel
Well, that's why people screenshot folks when they want to rip on them so they don't get any benefit from the share.
But it's, I think that people that put content out there, if X is making revenue on it, then that makes sense to me.
You know, I've had friends that played Major League Baseball and you talk about some of these players' salaries.
Well, if they're contributing to the team's bottom line, then of course that's your share of this.
But I think that people game the system.
People are quick to, they don't want to do their own research.
I say it all the time.
We have more access to information than anybody, any people that have ever lived before, but less discernment than any group of people that ever lived before.
All this stuff is out there to research and analyze.
phil labonte
Yep.
seth keshel
Even electoral forecasting, which I do.
How are the midterms going to go?
Well, I've got 92 years of history that could tell you how they're probably going to go.
tim pool
Democrats.
seth keshel
Democrats in the House, Republicans in the Senate, narrow majorities.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then Democrats are going to use the subpoena power to the most extreme degree imaginable, and Republicans are going to go, whoa.
phil labonte
Unfortunately.
tim pool
Yep.
Whoa.
phil labonte
I mean, the Democrats are going to take the House.
Do you think that they're actually going to start just doing all kinds of impeachments and stuff?
Do you think that that's on the table?
seth keshel
Honestly, I think what's going to happen.
So the fight isn't over.
You know, I think if you're a Republican or a Trump supporter, of course, you want to do everything possible to keep a Republican majority, but the damage is already done because people disengage during primaries, which is the time to get rid of these useless incumbents.
So really, the best you're going to get is really the same we have now.
But I think in the long run, that Democrats taking the House will arguably be a better blessing for the American right than the Republicans holding it because you're going to have Trump's economy will probably turn at some point.
It takes a long time to turn an aircraft carrier around.
The Dems are going to abuse the power.
And just like in 23, when Trump had done two years of being blamed for J6 and elections, it's going to unify the right.
People's short memory spans are going to come into play here.
And all of a sudden, if Trump's economy turns, then you're going to have in 2028, everybody's going to be running Republican again.
tim pool
This happened in 22 with DeSantis.
He starts rising up, and then you get the DeSantis faction and the Trump faction fighting.
And then once we get closer to 24, everyone started uniting again.
So here we are.
Everyone's like, oh, MAGA's, the coalition is fractured and things like that.
Like right now, after the Democrats went in the House and they start just beating the crap out of people, then you're going to get the right rallying against a shared enemy.
seth keshel
It's a no-doubter to me.
I'm not worried about the midterms.
People need to start getting involved in the process and putting forward regular people that can raise funds and run for office.
Until then, we're going to have people like Jon Thune punch out like we did here on Easter break.
tim pool
But it's always going to be.
I don't think we ever change this, to be completely honest.
Let me clarify.
I don't think in the short term we change this.
In the long term, maybe things will change.
But if you're once you get to that level of power, the amount of work you have to do to maintain that power, you're not going to swing one way or the other.
You're going to just float.
You don't want to be rallying anybody.
You'll draw attention to yourself.
Marco Rubio is doing real well in the polls by kind of just being quiet.
He's doing his job.
He's not fighting anybody.
He's not posting insane things like F the Democrats or whatever.
And it's doing well for him.
I mean, I like it, to be honest.
seth keshel
Yeah, I think that the 2028 nomination contest is going to be interesting.
I would think that JD Vance would probably have the inside edge based on being the VP right now.
For there to be a market for anybody else, I think you'd have to have a real collapse of the administration for the next few years.
And I don't think too many people want that to happen.
tim pool
Yeah, right now the prediction markets have it almost tied Rubio and Vance.
I mean, Vance is at 37, Rubio's at 26.
My bet's on Rubio.
Tucker Carlson.
phil labonte
There's talk.
There's talk.
tim pool
My bet would be on Rubio, actually.
I'm not telling anybody to make any bets.
unidentified
Just don't.
seth keshel
Well, the best bet out there is Susan Collins at 27% to win the U.S. Senate in Maine.
She is going to win.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't imagine that.
seth keshel
She ran 40 points to the right of Obama in 08 in Maine.
phil labonte
Yeah, and Graham Plattner is terrible.
Platinum is the guy she's going against, right?
The guy with the Nazi catchers.
seth keshel
I don't think that's decided yet.
Janet Mills, the governor, is also running.
So I have a feeling.
tim pool
So this is the nominee.
Do they have the actual Maine race?
Let me just type in Maine.
phil labonte
Yeah, I'm not sure.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
So it's not that they have the Democrats winning Maine at 71.7%.
Is that what you were referring to?
unidentified
Yes.
seth keshel
And Sarah Gideon was the Democrat challenger to Collins in 2020, winning every single poll, literally.
And Collins won by nine points.
unidentified
Wow.
seth keshel
So it's simple.
Maine's second district up in the north is very trumpy.
And Susan Collins wins that and does better with the Bostonite voters down in the south.
And there's your interesting.
I think that demographic voter likes to sound like, hey, we vote for both parties up here and we're fair.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
Let's talk about Black Snape.
We got this from Outkick.
J.K.K. Rowling reacts to HBO's Harry Potter race swapping controversy.
Incorrect.
She did not.
She reacted to the trailer.
And in response to it, someone said, the trailer for the new Harry Potter looks bloody Marvels.
Can't wait.
Neither can the rest of the world.
It's just it's going to be incredible.
I'm happy with it.
She did not directly address Black Snape, but I love, love, love, love that they're doing this because it changes Harry Potter fundamentally in so many ways.
So Hermione Granger is going to be mixed race, giving Mudblood a new meaning.
And Snape being black changes everything.
There's this funny quote from the book where Harry Potter's mom is like, you know, what is it about Snape that, you know, you won't leave him alone?
And James Potter says it's nothing about him other than he exists.
And so everybody's like, oh man, if they follow the book to the T, it's going to be about Harry Potter's white supremacist dad picking on the black kid and his mom, who, despite knowing the black hit her whole life, refused to date him.
Before it was just like childhood friends and she chose the jock instead of the nerd.
Now it's a race thing.
And then the other thing that's funny is in the first book, they constantly accuse Snape of trying to steal the Philosopher's Stone, Sorcerer's Stone, depending on your region.
And it's going to be really funny when like the kids are like, Professor Tumbledore, it's the black guy who's trying to steal everything.
And he's going to be like, no, no, that's racist.
Don't say that.
phil labonte
It's going to be an absolute mess.
tim pool
I don't mind race swapping in some circumstances.
Like some people have said Adrias Elba should not be James Bond because James Bond's white.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Adrios Elba can absolutely be James Bond.
I have no, he'd be fantastic.
I don't care about his politics or whatever, but he is built.
He could be a James Bond character.
I have no problem with that.
I also respect people saying, we want a traditional Englishman to play James Bond, to which I say, fair point.
So I'm like, I think if you're talking about a British spy, Adrias Elba's fine, but I do get why you'd rather have an Englishman who is traditionally Englishman a white guy.
But I'm not going to get all that bent out of shape.
Now, Anne Boleyn, when they made Anne Boleyn black, I'm like, come on, guys.
phil labonte
Nobody had a problem with Nick Fury when Sam Jackson was Nick Fury.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
And they actually swapped Fury in the comics so they could get Sam Jackson to play him.
Nick Fury was originally a white guy with like a buzz cut or a flat top or whatever.
And then they actually planned this.
They're like, hey, in the future, we want Sam Jackson to be Nick Fury.
So let's make Nick Fury in the comic black.
But Sam Jackson's awesome.
He's a great Nick Fury.
unidentified
He was great.
tim pool
And that's a made-up character.
I will say this.
Make new characters.
You don't need to race swap characters.
Like they were like, let's have Iron Man be a black girl.
Okay, so they made Iron Heart Ray Williams.
And it's like, at least it's kind of a new character.
You know what I mean?
Like they didn't make Tony Stark one day wake up as a black girl.
Miles Morales is a parallel Spider-Man, but they actually did the parallel Spider-Man stories.
So I don't really care.
I like the Miles Morales character.
It's fine.
But taking Snape, who's supposed to be like a hook-nosed, pale, gangly 30-year-old and being like, let's make him a black guy.
ian crossland
He's like an underground guy that showers every two weeks.
He doesn't get any sunlight.
tim pool
I also love how he desperately wants to be the defense against the dark arts teacher.
It's just like, there's so much buried racism they're adding to the story by making this character black.
ian crossland
In general question, is this a remake?
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, technically, yes.
ian crossland
Okay, are they going to remake all books?
tim pool
I don't know if it's fair to call it a remake because it's a book and they did an adaptation and they're doing another adaptation.
So the original movies deviated a bit and left a lot out.
The idea is with this new HBO series, they can keep a lot that was left out in the books in the actual story now.
I'm going to be honest with you, I am not going to watch it.
And I am, this is.
I read the first book when I was a little kid.
I think I was like fourth grade.
Read the second book right when it came out.
I was eagerly awaiting each book, excited as a child.
I remember when they announced like the final book will be coming out.
I remember when there was that controversy where someone standing in line at a bookstore screamed, Snape kills Dumbledore.
And everyone started screaming.
The video went viral.
And could you?
Bro, reading the half-blood prints at the end, and everybody was speculating, like, why did Snape do it?
And there were theories.
It was so much fun.
And then the last book came out.
When the movies came out, a lot of people don't understand that flight was actually a really big deal for Death Eaters.
And at the end, where he's like, let's do it together.
And they jump out.
It's all for the movie.
And it omitted so much.
Like Ovada Cadavra, for instance, in the books, when they hit you with it, you just, your life is gone and you collapse.
In the movies, they get blasted back 20 feet.
In the movies, Harry casts Expelliarmus, which always just makes your wand fly to your hand, but Draco goes flying back 20 feet and crashes on the ground, right?
All of that stuff.
Let's see if they can stick to the actual books.
That being said, I can tell you all about Harry Potter because I grew up with it and I will not watch this.
ian crossland
I read those books over 9-11.
They got me through.
I used to work 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. at Ground Zero and I would read Harry Potter all night.
The great story.
Almost everything about that story is great.
I only read like six books of the seven, except for that stupid game Quidditch that they play.
tim pool
Which made no sense.
ian crossland
It's the best game ever.
And then one guy catches a ball and the entire game ends and everyone goes home.
tim pool
Incorrect.
You clearly have not read the books.
ian crossland
If someone catches the golden snitch, the game ends and that team wins.
tim pool
No, incorrect.
carter banks
Look at 200 points.
tim pool
I believe it, correct me if I'm wrong.
It might be in book four, in which they explicitly have a Quidditch match.
It might be five, where they say, we are currently down by 167, like 170 points.
If you catch the snitch now, we lose.
ian crossland
Oh, you'll get 150 points or something.
tim pool
And then the game is over.
And if you are down, you lose.
So this meant that the rival team scored 17 goals.
The difference was so great that at that point, they could not catch the snitch until they at least caught up a couple goals, which actually that makes it a fine game, meaning typically catching the snitch will win you the game if you can do it quickly.
But if you're down way too much, now you can't end the game intentionally.
So it actually is an interesting strategy then where it's like, if you are losing by 15 goals, you have to make up goals before you can try and catch the snitch.
ian crossland
Without being hyper offensive towards women, like that's a sport that was created by a girl.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
What do you mean?
I mean, the stupidest.
ian crossland
It's a stupid sport where you catch one ball and you get 150 and the game ends.
tim pool
Oh, what do you mean?
ian crossland
It's like a nonsense game.
Well, I fake excitement for it.
carter banks
It does place a lot of responsibility on the snitch catcher.
phil labonte
They are on flying brooms.
ian crossland
I know, but like, get rid of the snitch and the game would have been awesome.
tim pool
I actually, I have no problem with that as a game.
ian crossland
I shouldn't say that about the woman that wrote that game because she's a great writer.
I really like her a lot.
tim pool
I think the bigger problem is that the whole series is loaded with plot holes and things that make no sense.
And then what happens is throughout the book series, it's kind of fine until you get into the Fantastic Beasts where all of a sudden it's like anyone can apparate.
And it's like, okay, then what's the point of the flu network?
Some people can't.
Some people are, she's a, what is it, a maledictus.
She turns into a snake.
Some people can be transfigured into animals, or they can choose to, and it's really hard to.
And it's like, huh?
Like when Mad Eye turns Draco into a ferret or whatever, it's like, we don't use transfigurations as punishment.
But it's like others have to train to be able to do it, but someone could just do it to you.
Whatever, man.
Like, it's fun.
I love the story, but there's so much that's wrong with it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Anyway, what do we have?
I think I've got some.
Nope, that's Clifficular.
Where is the where are the tweets on this one?
Someone said, just realized that when Neville faces the Boggart, it's going to look like his biggest fear is a black guy hiding in a closet.
phil labonte
This is just, I mean, it's, it's, it's just so ripe for all kinds of racial jokes and stuff.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You know, it's just going to make people are pointing out that the little boy who plays Harry, this one looks like an old lesbian woman.
And I'm like, I'm not going to make fun of a little kid for, you know, whatever.
Although he is toothy, which is interesting.
So males typically you can't see their teeth, their upper teeth.
Did you guys know this?
phil labonte
Oh, I can't see mine at all.
tim pool
Yeah, when a man talks or smiles, you usually don't see their upper teeth for the most part.
But women, you see a lot of it.
And actually, some women are called gummy because their lips are thin and when they smile, you can see actually the top layer of gums.
So for this little boy to be as highly toothy as he is, many people are saying it's very effeminate.
That's why it looks like a woman.
But, you know, it's a little kid.
I'm not here to make fun of little kids or anything like that.
ian crossland
I thought this was an AI and they got like a little girl that they were going to make a trans boy to be Harry Potter and they got a black snape.
unidentified
Look at this.
ian crossland
I thought it was AI parody.
And now it's crazy.
tim pool
And Snape has like dreadlocks because they're like, he has to have long hair somehow.
How is he going to be Snape?
Is he going to talk like this?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
Talk like this.
seth keshel
She's going to have to do what everybody else does when you have something like this and figure out how to suspend reality.
That's how you people enjoyed pro wrestling all those years.
tim pool
I mean, I have no problem.
It's a story about wizards.
You know what I mean?
The issue is that there's a lot that is fine if it's being done to the gangly white guy.
And there's a lot that's very when it's being done to the young black guy.
You know, like they're adding a component of racism.
The lens for which this will be viewed is going to be very, very different to a child.
seth keshel
Do you think people are still as up in arms about this sort of thing as they were 10 years ago?
tim pool
Like race swapping?
seth keshel
Or just in general?
It seems like back on the Generation Z folks, it seems like they're a little more edgy with the types of jokes and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, bro, the race jokes that are flying out about this are nuts.
Dude, the memes are going crazy.
They are going to roast this guy based on race.
Like, Gen Z is just done playing games.
ian crossland
In the theater, you know, I did 20 years in the theater.
It was normal to race swap or gender swap.
Didn't matter.
You know, we were all having fun.
You could play a black woman or a white guy.
It didn't matter what the character, who was who.
But on TV, it's a lot different.
I think cinema and film, they require a level of realism generally.
phil labonte
The context matters, right?
Prior to all the woke stuff happening, people didn't really notice, like, particularly in theater where it was a fairly selective group of people that were going to see plays and stuff like that.
Whereas nowadays, with the, or at least not maybe not now, but you know, from say 2013 to 2023, like the culture in the U.S. was doing so much to try and try and like trying to shape the opinions of people so that people started to notice and push back.
tim pool
I got to say one last thing before we go to our Discord chat questions.
Have you guys seen the lawsuit against the comedian for saying the Lion King song?
I just saw the Viva Fry thing up there on the screen.
You guys hear this?
So his comedian, he's from Africa, I believe.
And he's doing this podcast where he says, they're talking about Lion King.
And he's like, you know that song?
unidentified
I was like, I've seen that.
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, you know what they're saying?
And they're like, what's he saying?
He's saying, he goes, the song says, look, it's a lion.
Oh my God.
And they're like, that's not what he's saying.
He's like, that's what it means.
He is correct.
He's being sued because the composer says it doesn't convey the actual regal meaning behind it.
And what he said was defamatory.
And now he's losing, like, he risks losing royalties and he's been damaged.
It's like a $27 million lawsuit.
So I said, okay, I'm going to look it up.
And guess what the lyrics mean?
Look, there's a lion.
Oh, my God.
The issue is the word lion also represents royal, like strength and royalty.
So it can be translated as look a great leader, oh my God.
Or at the same time, look a lion.
Oh, my God.
And that's literally what it's.
And, and then it goes, look, there's a lion.
Oh, my God.
Yes, that's a lion.
ian crossland
I mean, that guy, whoever, that guy who did the joke was joking.
He wasn't defaming.
tim pool
No, he's telling the truth.
That's actually a direct translation of what it means.
And everybody, and everybody hears this like Zulu cry and this powerful song, and it feels majestic.
And it's just literally going, look, a lion.
Oh, my God.
And I looked it up and it translates to something to that effect.
carter banks
I never knew it meant anything.
I thought they were just chanting.
tim pool
Gets called another language, Carter.
ian crossland
Remember the song?
tim pool
How do we pull up the chat here?
ian crossland
Do you guys see a song from Civ 4?
You go to African songs.
tim pool
Show chit.
ian crossland
Oh, it is so good.
unidentified
All right.
ian crossland
That song from Civ 4.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
It's like the song that loads when you play the game.
tim pool
We're going to grab comments and chats.
I don't know if you guys have been asking questions or not, but I'm just going to read what you guys are saying.
So we've got this one from Premark Tech.
He says, Tim, you can absolutely shoot firearms in the air by land mass.
It is more legal to shoot into the air than not.
Proof, duck and squirrel hunting.
You're using game load.
You're not shooting 556 at birds.
phil labonte
Or nine millimeter.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That being said, what goes up must come down, and some bullets have terminal velocity high enough to injure or kill.
It is your responsibility to be safe and accountable for every shot you fire.
Indeed.
Android Woz has a question.
Given the Chinese bombing attempt on CENTCOM, do you think China directed the attack rather than solo actors?
If so, was it because they feared the U.S. solidifying global hegemony through our recent actions, or was it perhaps just an opportunistic shot while we're busy?
I mean, we did talk about it the other day.
I honestly don't know.
ian crossland
I think it was opportunistic.
I don't think the CCP.
Because if they just some people, some crazy.
tim pool
I know, but what was the opportunity?
ian crossland
Hurt the enemy, hurt them, you know, get them to go, get them where they hurt.
unidentified
But I don't know what they're like, but again, like...
I have a feeling if the CCP instructed that, that would be the beginning of their downfall.
They don't want to start a war with the world.
ian crossland
Because that is, if they attack the United States, that does trigger Article 5 of them.
phil labonte
They do those kind of things all the time.
They've introduced blights into the United States to destroy crops.
They've done all kinds of stuff that can't be directly tied to them or wouldn't be considered a direct attack.
But they do this kind of stuff frequently.
ian crossland
I should clarify, I don't think there will be any direct connection found.
Maybe there was, but I don't think they're going to have any kind of paper trail or discretion.
phil labonte
Guided or any of that.
tim pool
But there's no benefit from some random Chinese national planning a bomb.
There's a benefit for the Chinese government.
ian crossland
What's that?
unidentified
There's a benefit to Chinese government.
Well, there's not really a benefit to any of these idiots doing street crime, except they just think that they're...
Rebus is terror.
tim pool
This was an attempted bombing of a military base of CENTCOM, which greatly benefits China as a government.
So why would the loan riders do it?
Ideological, I guess, or the case.
phil labonte
That's the point.
The point of it is just to sow chaos in the United States.
It's not like they're strategically saying, hey, this is going to take out the base.
They want to sow chaos because what they want is the American people to be fighting with each other about what to do.
ian crossland
There was an American in China that set off a bomb near one of their buildings and then fled to the U.S., that would have been an international incident.
So I just don't think that the Chinese would do it.
That's why, because I can't imagine our government doing it that overtly.
seth keshel
Yeah, I think I agree with you on that.
I don't think there's any risk of trying to kick something off on a bigger scale like that.
So, but China's definitely going to be feeling the heat with Venezuelan-Iran operations.
tim pool
Hell Billy says, Phil, do a desk pop.
phil labonte
No, where I you shoot your gun at your desk.
tim pool
Yeah, what was that from?
Was that like Reno 911 or something?
phil labonte
The wrong guys, the wrong guys, right, right, right, right.
tim pool
A desk pop.
phil labonte
No, I'm not doing a desk pop.
tim pool
Don't be a secret service agent shot himself, I guess.
unidentified
Was it me?
ian crossland
Melanias?
tim pool
No, Joe Biden.
phil labonte
Negligent discharge.
tim pool
All right.
Hades says, two questions.
Perhaps we can address SB 1071 in West Virginia and how the president of your Senate killed it.
What are you doing to advance it, like getting it added to HB 4185?
Canada just made quoting the Bible hate speech.
What's the best way to resist that insane law?
SB 1071, of course, was it the machine gun one?
Let me look that one up.
phil labonte
Probably, I think.
tim pool
It's the bill to amend the code, adding designated blah, blah, blah.
I don't know enough about why they blocked it.
I think we were talking about it when they were introducing it, though, but I don't know.
I have to follow up on it.
Sorry.
No good answer.
ian crossland
Humans are cool, man.
We built law.
tim pool
How do you get around the Bible as hate speech in Canada?
phil labonte
I have no idea.
Canadians don't have free speech, so I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, I got it.
Figured it out.
Read the Bible in Arabic.
So you're actually preaching the gospel of Christ, but in Arabic.
And then if they challenge you, be like, whoa, don't you know which one I'm preaching?
And then they're like, uh-oh.
What if it's Islam?
Can't arrest them for it.
But it was Christianity the whole time.
phil labonte
Protected speech when it's.
tim pool
I mean, remember when people would draw the arch of the fish with their feet?
Because if you were a Christian, they'd kill you.
ian crossland
Is it Abraham the real one?
Like the real prophet?
tim pool
He's an OG.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What does that mean?
The real prophet?
ian crossland
Jesus, Muhammad.
Let's just go back to Abraham.
Let's all get down with Abraham.
tim pool
That's the Jews.
ian crossland
Yeah, but they're all in the mosaic.
tim pool
And then Jesus is the Messiah who came to fulfill the promise and saved a fallen world and all that stuff.
ian crossland
I don't want to lift up Abraham for a little while.
tim pool
Christians like him too.
But then Jesus came and he's the Messiah.
unidentified
I don't believe that.
phil labonte
I'm going to lift up this guy.
tim pool
The Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet who will come back and expose all the Christians as false worshipers.
ian crossland
I'm surprised Abraham doesn't get it more because Judah came along and must have been really badass, actually.
Judah, Jacob's son.
They named the tribe after him.
tim pool
I think it's funny how people are referring to these two factions of Charlie Kirk supporters as the Sunni Kirks or the Shia Kirk supporters.
Because I made this joke where I said, I'm launching a new debate show, but instead of debating, it's just me and another person pulling up texts Charlie Kirk sent us to justify our positions.
And then, you know, Pesobic was like, SUNY Kirk versus Shia Kirk, which is like basically it.
But that's all everyone's doing.
Like all of these personnel are like, you know, Charlie Kirk said to me this thing that proves my point.
And then someone else goes, well, Charlie Kirk said to me this thing that proves my point.
There are people posting clips of Charlie Kirk after the 12-day war saying, I stand with Trump on this war.
And then there are other people pulling up clips from before the war saying no war with Iran.
And I'm like, what are we doing?
phil labonte
You can have the opinion before the war started.
You can easily say, I think it's a bad idea to start a war with Iran.
And then when the war starts, say, well, this is the reality we're living in.
So I hope that the results of the war are the best for the United States.
That's totally consistent.
seth keshel
Well, 100%.
A lot of people are getting ahead of, I'm not saying that just like you, you know, I think that there's good reasons before it all kicked off.
When people are really doomcasting about what's going on in Iran right now, then they're looking at remembering Afghanistan and Iraq, where the 4th Infantry Divisions camped out in hardstand buildings for a nine or 12-month deployment cycle, even went up to 15 months at some time.
And you had contractors there making three times what the green suiters are making.
People are looking back at that.
And really, to run everything back to what we talked about earlier, all throughout history, counterinsurgencies have been massive failures, unless they're on islands and you can use the Navy to cut off the flow of personnel and arms, divide the population, and destroy the enemy.
So Iran is different than Iraq.
It's number one, it's four times the geographic size of Iraq.
Population is about double.
And you have massive terrain advantages for any force that is trying to defend.
I think the only hope for bringing things to a legitimate regime change would be for the local nations or for the locals to be able to displace that government because we're not going to be able to do it.
And I don't even think President Trump would do that.
I do think we have special operators in the country for sure.
I do think they'll take Carg Island, but I don't see a massive conventional operation on this.
tim pool
There's just too many people.
ian crossland
Do you think the Israelis will instigate anything?
seth keshel
They won't put anybody on the ground.
ian crossland
Because I'm thinking yesterday we were talking about NATO has like a defensive pact.
And then I was like, but it's not a military alliance.
And I was like, oh, we're in a military alliance with Israel.
If one of us attacks, the other one automatically is attacked.
tim pool
We are also in a military alliance with NATO.
ian crossland
No, not an attack.
It's a defensive pact.
It's different than a military alliance.
Play Civ.
I mean, I'm just calling it from Civ.
A defensive pact only triggers if one of them is attacked.
unidentified
You're not going to be able to do it.
phil labonte
And only for a video game.
ian crossland
Military alliances trigger when one of them goes to war aggressively.
tim pool
And we fund their militaries.
ian crossland
I'm not denying that.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Israel and the U.S. de facto have a military alliance.
tim pool
Our military alliance with European nations is that we are funding their militaries.
We have expectations on their return via GDP if they have to pay back.
ian crossland
I mean, if there's that, it's in writing.
tim pool
So, like in Libya, for instance, we used France to go in and bomb the crap out of these people.
That is our military alliance with the European nations.
We obviously are allied with European nations for war.
seth keshel
Well, Europe suddenly cares now because the Iranians can hit Diego Garcia.
tim pool
Oh, right.
phil labonte
Which means they can hit Europe.
unidentified
Oops.
tim pool
Let's grab this question.
We've got, who do we have here?
We've got Taylor Lorenz's, what does that say?
I can't read it.
It's all weird.
Atrazine Maxer?
Saying, I'm referring to your Trump one segment today as someone who fell into a bit of a lack of enthusiasm.
I'm all gas, no breaks on Trump's stand-up versus BRICS.
Do you think if Trump wins here that he can fulfill the question in the remaining two years, or will a pro-NWO Dem just reverse it all in 2028?
I think if Trump succeeds, the tide will have shifted so dramatically that nothing's going to stop it.
That's why this is Trump's gambit.
The move on Iran, if he wins here, he wins the board.
Not that everything's over, but it puts him to a point where there is just not enough resource on the other side to push him back down.
It's all downhill from there, all easy.
phil labonte
And also that if he does produce the, if he wins, the results for the American population are going to be very noticeable, right?
If say this war ends, say, just for a day, say, it's in July, right?
And then you're out of Iran.
You don't have a lingering large force.
And then the U.S. starts to see real benefits from the oil that is being purchased from the U.S.
unidentified
You see real economic benefit.
phil labonte
The American people are going to be like, okay, this has actually been good for us.
Obviously, there are a ton of ways that it can go wrong.
And I'm not saying that it's definitely going to go right.
But this, in conjunction with what this will do to our position or for our position regarding China, is a big deal.
And it'll pay dividends for the American people in the long term.
And if the American people see that, then they're going to be like, okay, well, this is actually a good move.
It's positioned us better.
You know, we're not as concerned with an imminent dollar crash because we've propped up the petrodollar and stuff.
So it could result in, and again, I'm not saying it will.
I'm saying that it could result in very, very positive things for the American people.
tim pool
What we need to do, obviously, is to build a flying city that can carry all of our armaments and troops that goes over any of our enemies and destroys them to prevent any opportunity.
ian crossland
We'll do a domestic one.
It'll be Amazon drone delivery blimp first, and then we'll weaponize it up a ship up there.
tim pool
If anybody knows what reference I'm making, you win the prize.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
There's only one, there's only one consistent video game reference I make on this show all the time.
phil labonte
Oh, you're talking about video game?
I was thinking of the big carriers that are in Marvel.
tim pool
I'll give you a hint.
Would you kindly?
phil labonte
Oh, Bioshock.
ian crossland
I didn't get to that.
tim pool
Which that's only a half answer.
phil labonte
Bioshock's only Bioshock 1.
tim pool
Incorrect.
phil labonte
It was two?
tim pool
Incorrect.
phil labonte
Really?
How many Bioshocks were there?
tim pool
There are many.
unidentified
Five?
tim pool
Bioshock Infinite, where a city is America builds a flying city which goes over China and puts down the box of rebellion.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Guys, learn your video game lore.
unidentified
Come on.
ian crossland
I am so down to Bioshock.
tim pool
One was so good.
unidentified
Awesome.
tim pool
So, but Infinite's okay.
Like, it's fine.
Booker catch.
But Bioshock 1, just epic.
ian crossland
It needs to be so powerful.
The flying city is like shooting a mountain with a rocket.
Like, it just has that little impact on the flying city.
Otherwise, it's coming down.
tim pool
I think Bioshock 1 should be mandatory high school curriculum.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, it's pro-capitalism.
ian crossland
Maybe the Foo Fighters, too.
tim pool
Well, actually, I think it's kind of anti-capitalism.
phil labonte
The whole point was that they were doing what the Atlas Shrugged thing.
They were like the people were leaving.
tim pool
The story of Bioshock is that wealthy people built a city underwater to escape repressive government and taxes, and then started.
Capitalism was so rampant that genetic engineering became commonplace, which resulted in people going psychotic as they became splicers.
Without regulations or checks, the genetic engineering made everyone go insane and civilization collapses.
And you go there and everything's falling apart.
It was very anti-capitalism.
phil labonte
All right, fair enough.
tim pool
It's just still a great story and it's fun.
And I recommend it.
And also, when you like, you don't have to kill all the little girls and like drain the, what you call it from them.
It's been so long since I played it.
phil labonte
I don't know about a robot.
ian crossland
I don't know what the essence is called.
tim pool
Adam or something.
phil labonte
I think it might be Eve.
tim pool
Is that what is Eve?
phil labonte
Maybe it was.
I don't remember.
ian crossland
I've only played it for like 10 minutes.
tim pool
Oh, blasphemy, dude.
ian crossland
Max difficulty.
tim pool
Bro, I played the game like four times.
And I would like run circles around Atlas.
The final boss is literally Atlas.
It's hilarious.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
So good.
And you get the what's it called?
It's been so long since I played it into your arm and then fired.
phil labonte
You drain Adam from the little sister.
tim pool
Adam, that's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You send Adam away.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then it makes you stronger, but only a little bit.
You know, you get like a bad ending for killing them all.
And plasmids.
That's what it was.
And then in Infinite, they're like, no, no, no, we don't want to do injections into the arm anymore.
So we're going to make it a soda pop.
And you get a bottle and crack it and drink it.
And I was like, boring.
unidentified
Yay.
ian crossland
You think a flying mothership makes a lot of sense for the modern warfare?
tim pool
The helicarrier from Avengers.
phil labonte
That's what I thought you were talking about.
tim pool
You launch three of them and then you shoot everybody who deviates via algorithm.
That was Winter Soldier.
All right, let's read this question for the panel.
Ian: if no fault marriage is a good thing, then what is the point of marriage?
No-fault marriage has destroyed society, created single-parent households that ultimately contribute to the downfall of Western society.
Brett and I have only been married almost seven months, but I could honestly say I am a better person because of it.
And he would say the same from Olivia.
ian crossland
The point of marriage, like no-fault divorce marriage, is that while you're married, you can still do all the married things.
Like share money, primarily share money.
phil labonte
I'm not sure why no-fault divorce has anything to do with that.
ian crossland
Well, whether or not.
tim pool
Why don't you just start an LLC to hold your revenue and get to do some different things?
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
You could just start an LLC, do the same thing.
phil labonte
Hey, there's no.
ian crossland
I don't know if it's the same.
I'd have to look at the contracts and see the difference.
tim pool
The LLC holds the revenue, and both individuals are allowed to spend money as to the benefit of the LLC.
phil labonte
There's breaking more trust.
ian crossland
For the record, I don't like no-fault divorce.
phil labonte
Tiger was gotten to another car crash.
tim pool
It's about time.
I've been waiting.
phil labonte
Rollover car crash in Jupiter, Florida.
ian crossland
I don't like no-fault divorce, but even some of the most conservative people I've talked to about it are like, you have to let women escape abusive relationships because they couldn't be available.
phil labonte
That's not what we said.
tim pool
That's not no fault divorce.
Ian, that's not no fault divorce.
ian crossland
Part of the value of no-fault divorce is that you can leave.
tim pool
Incorrect.
Marriage was always allowed to be dissolved pre-no-fault divorce if there was abuse.
ian crossland
If you could prove it.
tim pool
And still today you have to prove it.
ian crossland
Did you hear what I said, though?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Back in the day, women couldn't prove it.
tim pool
You still have to prove it today, Ian.
ian crossland
You can just divorce today.
tim pool
Yes, but you can't get access to anything you own unless you can prove it.
You need to prove fault if you want to take resources.
ian crossland
Okay, but I'm not talking about taking resources.
tim pool
Then why get married if you don't want the resources?
That was your point.
ian crossland
To be with someone you love.
tim pool
You could just do that.
ian crossland
But I'm talking about people leaving a violent relationship that they can't prove is violent.
tim pool
Then you don't get resources.
So what was the point?
Your point was getting married allows you to share money.
ian crossland
And you do while you're married.
And then the guy starts beating you, you leave.
tim pool
And if you can't prove it, maybe you don't get the money.
unidentified
Maybe not.
ian crossland
Well, you get your life.
tim pool
So you could always, what are you talking about?
You could always do that.
ian crossland
If you're stuck in a marriage with an abusive husband.
tim pool
No, you could still leave, even if you're married.
ian crossland
If you can't prove it.
tim pool
Bro, no one is obligating a married couple to live in the same house.
You could leave.
ian crossland
I'm saying if there was a, you have to prove fault, but you.
tim pool
You still do.
ian crossland
You're saying in no-fault divorce, you still have to prove fault.
tim pool
To get the money that you want.
ian crossland
Getting the money.
I'm talking about ending the relationship.
tim pool
The question I have is: what was the point of getting married?
ian crossland
To split resources.
tim pool
And you can't split those resources unless you can prove abuse.
ian crossland
You can't split those resources if you're getting the shit kicked out of you either.
tim pool
If you can't prove a crime, you're always required to prove a crime for standing.
ian crossland
I'm not talking about charging the guy with a crime.
I'm talking about ending a marriage.
tim pool
I'm talking about getting rights to what is yours.
So your argument.
ian crossland
That's what I'm talking about.
unidentified
Your argument is...
It's better off that women leave destitute if they can't prove it.
tim pool
And I'm like, then nothing has changed.
ian crossland
It's better for a woman to escape with her life than to get stuck in a violent abusive relationship.
Okay, Ian that kills her.
tim pool
I got to pause you.
ian crossland
In my opinion.
tim pool
Before no-fault divorce, women could still leave and go somewhere else to avoid being beaten.
ian crossland
But they had to prove it.
tim pool
No, they didn't.
ian crossland
And how did they leave?
tim pool
They got on their feet and walked.
ian crossland
Then they're like breaking the law.
unidentified
No, I can't.
tim pool
No, they're not.
ian crossland
Bring them home.
tim pool
No, they can't.
That didn't exist.
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
A woman, you're saying a man's wife could just dispute illegally.
tim pool
Yes, she could.
With no issue was she couldn't get access to resources unless she could prove it, which is the same today.
The issue with no-fault divorce is that marriages have become dating.
ian crossland
I don't think she could even file for divorce before unless she had proof for a reason.
tim pool
You would go to court and you would say, here's why I want to do this.
And this is still true today to a certain extent, but you don't need fault.
You can say irreconcilable differences.
So what they added is irreconcilable differences.
And with that, you can get married.
And then a year later, the woman can be like, now I get half your stuff.
unidentified
I know.
ian crossland
It's awful.
tim pool
Indeed.
ian crossland
Even a prenup's not set in stone.
tim pool
Exactly.
So no-fault divorce is a huge problem for a variety of reasons.
ian crossland
I know.
That's what my argument was.
And usually is.
But the people that are like, yo, they're women were getting like, you got to understand what women were going through before.
tim pool
But again, this is feminist propaganda.
BS is not true.
ian crossland
It's women that work with abuse.
tim pool
You always need to prove fault today, yesterday, or otherwise.
And they claim women were being beaten.
It's like if a woman was being beaten, she'd go to the police and that would dissolve the marriage.
The issue of no-fault divorce is that women can leave if they're not being beaten.
That's the argument.
So if your argument is women in abusive relationships should be allowed to leave, agreed.
How about then we create a circumstance by which it's easier to prove so women have an easier time to end marriages with fault.
And instead of creating a blanket, you can dissolve your marriage and take the guy's stuff, we say no to that.
Right.
ian crossland
Make it easier to prove fault.
That'd be interesting.
I mean, we do have cell phone cameras.
Like if your guy is psychologically abusing.
tim pool
So then we don't need no-fault divorce anymore because we have cell phone cameras.
We have forensic studies.
You can go and get a medical exam and prove it.
ian crossland
Well, there's also psychological abuse.
Yeah, but if you can record it and prove it in a court.
tim pool
What is psychological abuse?
ian crossland
Like, I mean, I think that's kind of self-evident.
tim pool
No, no, no, but what, like, explain.
ian crossland
Make her cry every night, make her think she's less than human, make her feel like you're illegal to do the reason of all the problems in your life.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Is it illegal?
ian crossland
No, it's abusive, though.
tim pool
Okay, once again, like.
ian crossland
It's illegal, and it should be grounds for terminating a completely disagree.
Psychological abuse?
tim pool
That's it.
ian crossland
I think if you're with a psychopath that's psychologically abusive, you shouldn't be able to divorce.
tim pool
Well, I guess there's a gradient there because, again, I asked you to define it and you said insulting you.
And I said no to that.
ian crossland
I didn't say insulting you.
tim pool
Like constantly telling you you're not worth it.
Yeah, it's like insulting you.
ian crossland
Yeah, making you feel less than human.
tim pool
Well, how you feel is not anyone else's fault, but your own.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Except when the fist hits, like, oh, yeah, it's a fist?
tim pool
Now we're talking physical abuse.
ian crossland
Everything you're feeling is because of you.
I do agree with that at one level.
But if someone's standing five feet away from you screaming at you, you might just something and say that's not psychological abuse.
tim pool
That's assault.
ian crossland
Or if they're leaving you notes or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, just throw them away.
ian crossland
Just ignore your husband.
Come on, Tim.
Come on, bro.
unidentified
No.
No.
ian crossland
We're arguing exactly, man.
tim pool
We're arguing that if you enter into a death contract, you can't break it without cause.
And someone being mean is not cause.
Screaming in someone's face is actually assault and potentially battery.
Now you're talking about physical abuse.
ian crossland
But if someone let go of the screaming aspect of it, just no.
Yeah, well, saying something horrible things to someone over and over and over again.
tim pool
That's not grounds.
Too bad.
ian crossland
That would be horrible.
tim pool
That's too bad.
You do not get to take.
ian crossland
No one's going to follow you to that psycho future, dude.
tim pool
You do not get to take someone's money, half their income, because they're mean.
Sorry.
ian crossland
I'm open to fixing that part of the no-fault.
That's the worst part of no-fault divorce.
A guy can get married a week later, she can leave with half of his judge wouldn't allow it usually.
Okay, then whatever.
tim pool
So, but like six months to a year, sometimes, yeah.
ian crossland
It's nuts.
tim pool
And so that's why they have annulments which void the marriage, citing it as just not real.
So the issue is someone says, he was mean to me.
I should get his stuff and we should get a divorce.
Like, no.
Sorry.
I think the issue is these problems arise because of no-fault divorce.
It used to be very serious.
If you're getting married, you better damn well mean it.
And then they said, no, no, no, don't worry.
If you get married, you can leave.
Now, marriage is dating.
Anyway, my friends, we are about over time.
This was a lot of fun.
It's been great having you, man.
Appreciate it.
seth keshel
I definitely appreciated sitting here with you guys and being able to talk about everything that's going on in the world today.
tim pool
I appreciate the constant debates Ian.
Always have a good time.
ian crossland
You too, man.
tim pool
Everybody's afterwards like, man, Tim and Ian don't like, we get along so well.
We're having fun.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like you more after we do that.
It hurts sometimes, but like, so does working out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, the point of it is to have a thought-provoking and entertaining conversation.
So, my friend, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you've met in your life.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Good sir, would you like to shut anything out before we go?
seth keshel
Yeah, well, look, everybody, you have a role to play in shaping the conversations in the world we live in.
I've been fighting the fight for election integrity.
Obviously, it's an important thing for me to stay involved as well.
So thank you for having me on.
You can follow me at captaink.us or check out my new book, The American War on Election Corruption.
So thank you very much.
tim pool
What do you get people who like the, I like what you do with the election there?
seth keshel
Well, it's a number one bestseller in three Amazon categories, and we call that the F curve.
The miraculous changing of the guard on November 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 of 2020.
ian crossland
That was a good day.
Hey, I'm at Ian Crossland.
Follow me at Ian Crossland on the internet, and I don't have anything to jam out right now except go to graphene.movie and sign up for the on the waiting list to get the movie, to get access to the movie when it goes live.
This is a documentary I made down at Rice University, Carter Banks.
carter banks
Dude, I can't wait to see it when it comes out.
I'm Carter Banks.
You can follow me at Carter Banks Everywhere and our label at Trash House Records on YouTube.
Thank you for coming out, man.
It's been a pleasure talking to you.
Phil.
phil labonte
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You can check out a new piece that I wrote on my Patreon.
It's about Spruce Pine, the little town where all of the silicone that goes into all of the chips that we use every day, the crucibles, all that stuff is made.
It's basically the only place in the world that has quartz this pure.
You can check it out at Phil It Remains on Patreon.
The band is All That Remains.
We're going on tour this spring with Dead Eyes and Born of Osiris.
We start April 29th in Albany.
You can get tickets at allthatremainsonline.com.
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Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
All right, everybody, thanks for hanging out.
It's been a great week.
We're back, of course, next week.
And we're working on a lot of interesting things.
We're actually working on setting up digital guests because there are a lot of higher profile people like the West Coast, for instance, that don't like traveling.
So we've got a bunch of stuff in the works, and it's all possible thanks to you.
So join our Discord community at TimCast.com.
Don't miss it.
Thanks for hanging out.
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