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March 12, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
03:08:23
Joe Rogan WARNS Iran May ATTACK White House UFC Event | Timcast IRL w/ Alex Jones

Alex Jones and Tim Pool dissect Iran's potential attack on a White House UFC event, debating whether Israel provokes war for political gain or religious prophecy. They analyze the UK's abolition of hereditary peers as a globalist takeover, fear AI sentience, and condemn Jones's recent medical episode involving severe intoxication. The discussion extends to petrodollar control, 9/11 conspiracy theories, and the dangers of autocracy versus monarchy, ultimately framing current geopolitical shifts as precursors to a "prison planet" scenario driven by elite manipulation. [Automatically generated summary]

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luke rudkowski
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robbie mann
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tim pool
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carter banks
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noah sanders
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Joe's Fear of Iran 00:14:34
tim pool
Today we saw two attacks, and we know one of them was a man who yelled Ali Wakbar.
The other attack on a synagogue is suspected to be Islamic terror.
So the rumors going around are that we had two Islamic terror attacks, possibly retaliation over the war in Iran, which we had seen another terror attack in New York City, the throwing of an improvised explosive device, as well as the attack in Austin.
So of course, the expectation is, well, we don't have the complete information on the synagogue attack.
It was a vehicle reportedly owned by a man from Lebanon who was naturalized and lived in Dearborn, Michigan.
So many people are saying, hey, that, you know, if it looks and sounds like a duck.
With that happening, we also have the backdrop of a warning from Joe Rogan, UFC commentator, who said that it seems strange.
They're going to do this big White House UFC event for which we now got the fight card in June with a war going on because you're going to bring everyone together and create this very, let's just call it centralized location of top military brass, political personalities, and otherwise.
And, well, I agree.
Not necessarily that it's weird or strange or anything, but that it is dangerous.
I mean, it's a real target.
So we're going to talk about that.
Plus, of course, we have these terror attacks that happened earlier today.
We'll go through the details on that one.
And then, of course, the UK is officially over.
They have ended their hereditary House of Lords, and they are removing their civic leaders from their currency to be replaced by the noble hedgehog and perhaps a beaver and other nature scenes because the British tradition is basically gone.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is the great Alex Jones.
alex jones
Oh, boy.
The great.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
alex jones
I'm thinking about Joe Rogan's vagina right now.
tim pool
That's a weird way to introduce yourself, Alex.
alex jones
Well, Joe's like, I love Joe, but like, oh, my God, we better not have an event.
The terrorists might get us.
We just give up and go away.
We can't ever have a meeting because the Iranians might stick their ding-dong us.
I think Joe's afraid of the Iranian ding-dong.
tim pool
You're a Joe Rogan commentator professional?
alex jones
No, I like Joe.
I mean, a little bit.
I'm surprised by Joe saying that.
Like, oh, let's not have a USC event.
Why don't we get the Iranians don't get us?
I mean, I'm against the war, let's be clear.
But let's keep the buses and the trains and the airplanes on time.
Let's not fucking, oh, the fucking Iranians might get us.
tim pool
He's already swearing.
alex jones
I'm already swearing.
Got to follow every little AI rule.
No, no, here's the.
Let's all just hide Joe Rogan's vagina.
And then we'll all be safe.
unidentified
Jesus.
tim pool
Good to have you, Alex.
alex jones
It's good to be friends.
Joe Rogan vagina.
tim pool
Luke is safe.
alex jones
So we all just fly up into it.
We're all safe.
phil labonte
It's safe in Joe.
tim pool
Thanks for coming.
unidentified
Luke.
What an introduction.
alex jones
Safe under her black wings.
I'm saving Joe Rogan's big-ass pussy vagina.
unidentified
Well, there you go.
Yep.
tim pool
Luke's here.
unidentified
There's that.
Yes.
luke rudkowski
I don't know how you're doing.
alex jones
Did you have that tonight?
luke rudkowski
Good to be here with some old friends.
alex jones
I declare war on Joe Rogan.
God has ordered me.
I love Joe.
Joe.
phil labonte
He's going to show up at your house.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I guess.
Luke's here.
unidentified
Yeah.
Hi, guys.
So you just got to get away from the story.
alex jones
How about I just take you all on right now?
You guys are fucking tough.
You guys, you're pretty tough.
How about we just fucking fight right now?
You're fucking real, man.
All of you.
Come on, let's go.
Every one of you.
Let's go.
Let's prove how fucking badass you are.
Schlug, let's go.
You think you can fucking take me?
Let's see what happens when I have to.
tim pool
I think I can take you.
alex jones
No, you can't.
Why don't you fucking do it right now?
Every fucking man in here.
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Let's go.
Eight, let's go.
tim pool
Robbie will fight you.
alex jones
I'm ready.
phil labonte
Robbie.
alex jones
I'm ready.
That's a big motherfucker over there.
tim pool
I'm ready for war.
unidentified
I'm ready for war.
alex jones
I'm ready to fucking live in Joe Rogan's vagina.
tim pool
Let's start with the news.
unidentified
I guess.
alex jones
I just gave you the most viral clip of the year to joke.
unidentified
You're trying to.
alex jones
It's comedy.
I love Joe.
I suck his pussy every night.
unidentified
It's just it.
alex jones
Lizzie Brown when he puts it in the middle of the morning.
tim pool
He tried to be family friendly.
alex jones
We try Neocom.
unidentified
Not tonight.
tim pool
He's going to get the show taken down.
alex jones
I'm with the engineer.
tim pool
Get the show taken down.
Oh, Lindsay.
alex jones
Oh, Lindsay.
And like, and I watch like Rubio gets in.
And then in comes Huckabee with his 12-foot.
And they just boom, boom.
I'm just sitting there like this.
tim pool
Huckabee's that hung, huh?
alex jones
That's what I do.
unidentified
Oh, God.
alex jones
He's an 18-foot dick.
And I just knew about those cocks, those neocon cocks.
And then y'all comes in with that A-footer.
tim pool
I imagine Huckabee's watching being like, I'm kind of offended, but that is a compliment.
Let's go to the news.
alex jones
Let's start the news.
unidentified
You didn't know what to do.
tim pool
All right, here's the story.
Here's the story from the Daily Mail.
Joe Rogan fears the White House will be targeted by Iran during UFC event.
We have a short clip for you.
It's only 40 seconds, but we'll play it to give you the context of what Joe was talking about.
unidentified
Are you excited for the White House card?
That looks really good.
joe rogan
Yes.
It sounds crazy.
I know it's going to be very high security and high stress and weird to have a fight at the White House in the middle of a fucking war.
I would hope the war will be sorted out by June, but quite honestly, I'm not confident that that's going to be the case.
unidentified
No.
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that would be weird.
Having this very high-profile event where everybody's in one place at one time right there.
unidentified
I hadn't thought of that.
Yeah.
So you're not excited to be there.
joe rogan
It seems like you're asking for.
unidentified
Holy shit.
I haven't thought of that at all.
joe rogan
How could you not think of that?
unidentified
Because I'm not going to be there.
You're the one who has to think of it.
alex jones
Because Joe Rogan is the goddess.
His holy vagina realizes it's a threat.
tim pool
I don't.
I am not really concerned about the White House itself.
You know, of all the places we secure in this country, Iran's not going to do anything at the White House.
alex jones
Yeah, no, I love Joe, but I mean, that is a major pussy statement.
tim pool
He didn't say don't do it.
He just said that it's going to be a target.
And sure, it's just, look, if Iran was going to be a bad person.
unidentified
No, no, no.
alex jones
The real target is the neocons in Trump's butthole.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Well, they're like, that's the main target.
tim pool
Well, I mean, Trump isn't targeting.
Iran would much prefer to get rid of the neocons that are pressuring Trump to engage in warfare.
alex jones
You know about Pastor Manning, the fiery butthole, right?
tim pool
The what?
alex jones
Burn, I know.
Pull up, Pastor Manning.
It's a prophecy of Trump.
phil labonte
What's his name?
tim pool
The prophecy of Trump.
alex jones
I just had to have some fun.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
I apologize.
alex jones
It's all gamer.
I love Joe Rogan, love President Trump.
My bottom line is this: you said start the show if we went live with, I love Rogan.
Oh my God, this event, maybe we shouldn't have it.
What the fuck are we talking about?
If we're going to blow the shit out of the fucking Moolah's, let's not worry about what they're going to do.
Let's not cancel our boxing match.
So I'm.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I agree.
alex jones
So, so, so, I mean, I get his, he's just being honest here.
I'm Joe.
I love Joe.
All I'm saying is that I was against his war 12 days ago, and I said it's going to go wrong.
They're going to block the strainer removes, but I said, once we're in it, we're in it because the Moolah's are crazy or double down.
Now they've done it.
Now we stuck our wiener in the electric socket.
So now we are committed, baby.
I'm not concerned about that.
luke rudkowski
And there's now multiple reports of two ceasefires that Donald Trump tried to do with the Iranians, and the Iranians are saying, nope, we're not doing any of that.
tim pool
Well, because the strategy, the Iranians, the Iranian strategy is that Trump is politically vulnerable in a midterm year.
They said they're autocratic.
They can do whatever they want, and they can just wait.
And so the reported strategy is they'll take as much collateral damage as they have to because Trump is losing political points at home among modernists.
alex jones
Those are crazy Shiites.
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And so now they're in the drop, even though they're losing, being blown up politically and physically, they don't care because they're willing to die.
Like, I'm not comparing to Colonel Travis because they were the good guys, but they're willing to die so they were the winners.
Everybody loves to pray people to get sacrificed.
So Iran is crazy, willing to do it.
So what do we do now when they close this trait, which is done?
And then what do we do when they keep doubling down and say, fine, hit me again?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, they're religiously, fundamentally fighting for life and death.
They understand, hey, we have to.
alex jones
Their whole thing is about this coming.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And then the new Ayatollah is even talking about the prophecies of Armageddon.
And we have all other Israeli top politicians, even Peak Hetset talking about the Third Temple when he was in Israel.
So all of these kind of like religious prophecies and zealots coming out and saying, Huckabee, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. saying, yeah, Israel takes it all.
ian crossland
Huckabee is takes all what?
alex jones
All the Middle East?
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Well, Bibi just said, he's the easy U.S. ambassador.
alex jones
My call him Israeli ambassador.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Do you know Abe Lincoln was dealing with this?
He had a midterm coming up, or he had an election coming up with the anti-war Democrats were going to get into power and end the civil war and his stalemate.
So he was like, we have to do something drastic because we may lose our power.
He issued Sherman to just burn everything and kill as many people as possible to end the war as fast as possible.
So, worst case scenario, you see hell on earth be unleashed on the Iranian people before the midterms.
I don't want to see it, but I mean, Trump said that.
alex jones
He said, I may destroy your whole country.
They're like, I thought we're trying to, half of them don't want to be with us.
It's a disaster.
That's why the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, like, I'm not a rocket scientist.
But Eric Prince, a major hawk, said, don't do it.
The chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Kane, said, Don't do it, because it's a roll of the dice.
You don't roll dice on stuff.
You roll dice on your own money.
You don't do it on stuff like this.
tim pool
Well, you heard what Rubio said about why we got involved.
Israel was going to make an attack on Iran.
We knew that there would be a retaliation targeting the United States.
So Rubio says, We don't want to take a defensive posture.
So he decided to go in with them.
alex jones
Which they had testimony in Congress two days ago confirming that.
So Israel made us do this.
You know me, I'm not the guy with a heart on for Israel, but Israel should not be calling our shots.
tim pool
Agreed.
And I think Trump should have been like, good luck.
ian crossland
Yeah, because if they'd responded and attacked us, then we could have been like, hey, we have no choice now.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
But this makes us look like an aggressor.
alex jones
Exactly.
We should have taken the attack.
Then we'd be the victims.
Then blow the shadow.
tim pool
It's not, you know, and there's the challenge, right?
Because that's you, and you know this better than anybody, but the Project for a New American Century, when they, who was it who said April 2020, we need a Pearl Harbor event to launch the New American Empire.
And then there was the quote that I think it might have been Rumsfeld saying, Sometimes we need a terror attack to remind people of what we're protecting them from.
alex jones
He said we need 3,000 dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Which is crazy, which is Pearl Harbor, which they had on 9-11.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's the challenge.
I mean, if we did nothing and Iran attacked us, then we'd go in.
And what Rubio said was then we'd be in hearings talking about how we knew it was going to happen and we didn't do anything to prevent it.
alex jones
Well, I'll be honest.
If there was a magic red button to send the Muslims to Mars, I'd hit it.
But every time we do this, they just put the head of al-Qaeda for Trump got in in charge of Syria.
Israel created Hamas.
So here's the deal: if we were actually fixing it, I'd be for it.
Islam's cancer.
But we don't fix it.
We put worse Muslims in.
luke rudkowski
And we finance and we train them and we give them arms and we give them weapons and we give them the training and then it bites us in the butt.
And it's like, what did we think was going to happen here?
Israel even came out today and they're saying that this regime is unlikely to fall, obviously.
Everyone knew this was going to happen.
alex jones
And I was called a Qatari agent for reading the report that admitted this.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I have got no money from Qatar.
I'm waiting for the money right now.
tim pool
There's also rumors that the son of the Aitolla is already dead.
alex jones
I think he's in a coma at least.
The Israelis are not lying about who they killed.
tim pool
But the rumors in Israel is that he's dead.
alex jones
Well, there's just one thing official reports.
There's one thing Israel tells truth about is who they killed.
They said we killed the Ayatollah a week and a half ago.
It was true.
They said, well, this guy's in a coma.
I believe it.
tim pool
So it's Israel saying he's in a coma.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Well, yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Well, there were rumors last week we had talked about it that he got wounded.
He's fine.
Then they said they amputated his leg.
He didn't show up for his own coronation ceremony or whatever.
Now they're saying he's in a coma.
I would not be surprised if in two or three days they're like, yeah, he's dead.
And the reason.
alex jones
I think he probably is dead.
tim pool
I don't know for sure, but I think they do have good reason strategically.
alex jones
Well, they dropped 30,000-pound bombs on you, Probably.
tim pool
But the Iranian government's not going to want to admit that the United States has repeatedly just killed all of its leaders, its new leader, and wiped out their government.
And the people might actually revolt and the chain of command breaks down.
So they're going to say, no, no, he's alive.
Here's a statement to keep the confidence going that they exist to try and outlast Trump because Trump's politically vulnerable right now.
But I think it'll be concluded in a few weeks if Trump really does escalate bombing campaigns.
And that doesn't mean we win.
It doesn't mean the government is over.
What I'm saying is we may stop striking.
They may stop striking, but nothing may be resolved.
alex jones
No, I mean, I agree with that.
Israel's Messiah Trigger Theory 00:15:11
alex jones
I mean, here's the deal.
I want an exit strategy here.
And I would love you with the millis.
I said when it started 12 days ago, I said, it started.
I think it's not going to work.
I hope they fail.
I hope they fall right now.
But it didn't happen.
Not a rocket scientist, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and all the other reports told him it probably wouldn't work.
And my listeners are like, you're a Qatari agent.
No, like the Pentagon said, don't do it.
Because it's a roll of the dice.
tim pool
What's up with all this, like, the Israel stuff?
alex jones
It's retarded.
I've never been to Israel.
I don't have to deal with Israel.
Anytime I'm like, people are like, it rained today.
Israel did it.
I'm like, well, no, it's like.
tim pool
You know, the reason I ask you is because you've got more experience in the independent media space, particularly when it comes to government conspiracy, psychological operations, and all that.
And, you know, you've been here longer than anybody else.
And then all of a sudden, over the past six months, there's been this dramatic shift online where now everyone's just talking about Israel doing everything all the time.
Like all the conspiracy stuff that you've talked about when it comes to liberal economic order, you know, Project for New American Century, all that is just gone now.
No one cares.
None of that exists.
It's just Israel did it.
alex jones
It's because Qatar doesn't lie about it.
They spend like $20 million a year on this.
And so it doesn't mean that stuff about Israel isn't true.
They have changed the whole subject into that instead of China and the EU trying to censor Americans.
So I'm like, hey, the EU's trying to arrest Elon Musk with huge fines or Brazil, shut up Israel.
So it's kind of like a public woke up, like a baby duck, kind of in principle, first thing it sees.
So the public woke up.
And so the Muslim Brotherhood, which Qatar funds, said, oh, the first thing you see is Israel, which Israel deserves it in many ways, but it's also retarded because now the baby duck woke up and all it sees is Israel.
And so it's retarded.
tim pool
Yeah, the conversation I often have about it is that, like, certainly criticize Israel for their machinations and whatever they're trying to do, but there's a whole bunch of other foreign policy and special interests around the world that the U.S. is involved in that has nothing to do with the Middle East.
unidentified
Well, exactly.
alex jones
I'll cover China running like half the Democrats with proof.
And half the comments are, why covering up for Israel?
unidentified
It's like they don't.
alex jones
I can cover like, oh, literally, like, there were fires and floods in Texas a few months ago.
And half the comments were, why cover for Israel?
There's like, like, can't cover a flood, can't cover a fire.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Can't cover it.
It's just Israel.
It's for Israel because it's all they know.
And they think that's like, that's the secret thing.
I think that's the special little treat.
tim pool
I think social media is doing it on purpose.
And the reason people think this is because it's being blasted into their feeds 24-7, which triggers other people to blast.
alex jones
No, I agree.
The system wants this clash.
That's what I explained.
luke rudkowski
Well, they want to divide and conquer people.
They want people fighting each other based on superficial differences.
The first thing I kind of think about here is Cass Sunstein, Obama's information czar.
He literally wrote the white paper on disinformation, and he talked about how he needed to hijack legitimate criticism by making it seem crazy.
He literally wrote the book.
He was also connected to the market.
He said, well, he'll discredit it by putting out fake actors out there that will make theories that sound really crazy.
So you destroy any kind of legitimate criticism or question.
tim pool
And then Nick Fuentes, who's critical of Israel, is banned from YouTube, and Candace Owens has put up on the front page.
alex jones
Well, but here's my deal.
People ask why I attack Candace Owens.
She says, ice melts at 30 degrees.
And she says, I'm a time traveler.
It's just like.
tim pool
Charlie's a time traveler.
alex jones
Yeah, he was a time traveler.
Exactly.
I'm just like, I'm like, I'm not even saying I trust DPSA.
I'm not saying they've got a cover-up of Charlie Kirk, but I cannot buy Mitt Schnow with a hammer convicted of beating his wife with a hammer.
And then he puts the story out.
She attacked me with a hammer and Candace goes with it and raises $200,000.
And I'm just like, I'm not going to lie.
It's just crazy.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
We got this video that's going viral from Mario Noffel.
He says, Netanyahu, quote, we will make it to the return of the Messiah, but this will not happen next Thursday.
And so this video has been making the rounds, of course, and it's got 400,000 views.
And there was an article written a few days ago.
Israel is gripped by messianic fervor for a biblical war.
Now, there's another video that's massively going viral where everyone's saying that he said return of the Messiah as if to imply he believes in Jesus Christ.
alex jones
No, he's Jewish Messiah.
tim pool
No, no, it says return.
The Jews believe the Messiah has not come.
So if Netanyahu says the return of the Messiah, that means he thinks the Messiah has already been here.
alex jones
Did he say that?
tim pool
So here's what I've found.
In the transcript, when you ask for a translation through Grok or whatever, it says in Hebrew, in what he is speaking, it can be paraphrased either way, as in the era of the Messiah or the return of the Messiah, so he returns under the Jewish law.
They do believe that David was a Messiah?
alex jones
He was the art.
Yeah, he was the precursor.
tim pool
I thought they haven't had their Messiah yet.
alex jones
No, but it's all David was the Messiah.
He returns.
tim pool
Well, either way, that is a component of why people have been sharing this clip quite a bit.
But this plays into one of the theories.
It's kind of interesting.
This video is coming out now.
There are a lot of people that are suggesting.
alex jones
I haven't seen this yet.
unidentified
Oh, no.
I'm sure.
alex jones
You actually study the Old Testament.
Everything's a precursor.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
David is the precursor to the Messiah.
ian crossland
Yeah, it says that the Messiah will come from David's family line.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Well, so then again, my understanding is that returns are David.
So, indeed.
The reason why this is picking up steam is that one of the theories amongst those who believe Israel runs everything is that they're trying to make everyone hate them because they have to go to war with the world in order to trigger the return of their Messiah.
So if there really is this, as this article said, messianic fervor, and then you get Netanyahu literally saying we will make it to the return of the Messiah, but not by next Thursday, a lot of people are jumping on this and saying straight from the man's mouth, they are doing it.
alex jones
No, I mean, I think that it's not all the Jews, but certainly there's different Jewish interests that get when they're attacked, they get more power.
Netanyahu has been indicted.
Netanyahu would be in jail right now.
And so being under attack, he stays in power.
So I'm not going to judge him.
You know, his weird Supreme Court battles.
It's all so confusing.
See, I just say I do the answers.
It's so confusing.
I don't know.
But definitely they are invoking this messianic stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You think he's like creating war to stay in power?
I mean, I'm not saying you're saying this, but that he would be creating a lot of people.
alex jones
He said like three years ago, or two years ago, when they did October 7th, he said, we'll look at why there was a stand down later once the war's over, but the war never ends.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, wars are meant to be continued.
And there's a lot of soldiers that are literally talking about this being a holy war for them so they could bring in the third temple.
Albert Pike talked about a lot of this stuff 1871.
He wrote a letter about World War III, and it's absolutely crazy.
tim pool
1871, he wrote about World War III.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So he knew there would be the first thing he didn't tell anybody about it.
luke rudkowski
No, he talked about World War I.
He talked about World War II.
And then he talked about World War III.
And he talked about the Jews fighting the Muslims in this world that will bring in the demon, will bring in the kind of demonic order.
So this is, I mean, I've been talking about this for about 12 years.
I did a video with David Ike about this where we real quick, just don't forget what you were going to say.
tim pool
Albert Pike's statue was torn down by anti-racism protesters in the George Floyd riots.
luke rudkowski
Of course, not a surprise there at all.
But a lot of people would believe that this is prophecy being kind of that we're kind of living through this as it's being played out right in front of our eyes.
ian crossland
Is the demon, the AI, technocratic overstate?
phil labonte
Who knows?
tim pool
Well, you were advocating for yesterday.
alex jones
And that's my point.
tim pool
AI judges.
alex jones
I literally don't hate Jews.
Like, I don't sit there with a big heart on and like, I fall in a banana pill by Jews.
But now Israel is literally every step you can to make it all about Israel, which is not.
It's China and the EU and all these powers.
And it's just like constantly, oh, we're here.
No, no, we're the.
I'm smart enough to go, like, what's going on here?
phil labonte
Like, every country has every country has their own interests.
And people that think that everything is about Israel is totally totally overlooking the fact that every country has their own interests.
They have their own agency and they have their own plans.
There are times where the U.S. interests in Israel's overlap, but it doesn't mean that Israel's in control of everything.
tim pool
But to that point, I agree.
I understand what you're saying, Alex, that they are trying to take the spotlight in all of these affairs.
alex jones
Exactly.
Israel wants the attack because then their people will get behind them.
So it's not like Israel's involved in all the bad stuff, but they're like, okay, we'll be the villain.
tim pool
I actually think, you know, if you take a look at the latest media moves over the past several months, like the purchase of CBS and TikTok, there is a, what did you used to call it, Alex, problem reaction solution?
So whether it's intentional or otherwise, you have this burst of anti-Israel and quite honestly, a lot of anti-Semitic content.
Then this triggers prominent, wealthy millionaires and billionaires, Jewish and otherwise, to buy up these platforms to ban that content.
So in essence, by having this large burst of anti-Semitic or anti-Israel content, you then create the circumstances by which you can get powerful interests to shut those things down.
100%.
alex jones
You just said it.
And I don't know what the end game is.
I'm just like, I'm against Israel trying to start a nuclear war, but I'm also not against Israel.
I'm just like, man, I'm done.
tim pool
Like, I'm like, I'm fairly ambivalent.
Foreign affairs is foreign affairs to me.
It's crazy to me that there are people hyper for and against.
No, I understand what people would be for it, especially if you're Jewish and you're Israeli.
But the fact that there are so many people in the United States who are for and against it who are neither, that's strange to me.
I'm like, we can talk about China.
alex jones
I don't see how Iran, because they're willing to kill their own people.
Two days ago, I said Iran is belligerent.
They're in both.
They're all just like, oh, you're a Qatari agent.
What the heck got a check yet?
My point was they don't care.
They're willing to die.
So I'm saying, like, what do you do when you're faced with this?
tim pool
Yeah.
alex jones
Like, this is cuckoo town.
tim pool
Well, I have a question for you because, again, I think you would know this better than most people, but we've talked about the U.S. motivations for going against Iran, and it largely has to do with the Strait of Hormuz, the 20% of oil and gas flowing through from the Gulf states, and the U.S. maintaining its economy on the petrodollar.
So my position, my view of this is the U.S. looks at Iran as a disruptor of international oil trade, for which we tell our customers, you use dollars to buy oil, we'll police the seas.
Iran tells us to shove off, funds, militias, hooty rebels, they bomb cargo ships.
So the U.S. says this has to stop.
I'm curious if you agree or how do you see it?
alex jones
No, that's totally, no, that's it.
That's it.
And my point is: the chairman of the Joint Chiefs told Trump they've got a whole army right there.
If we blow them up, they can block the strait.
And that's 25% of the oil.
So it creates a crisis.
Trump's like, well, we'll fix it in a year.
Yeah, a year.
Trump's whole plan to fix inflation is based on cheap energy.
So this messes him up.
So he's not thinking.
That's why he's suddenly like, oh, God, in the war.
Oh, God, you know, which I agree with.
Like, yeah, dude, this ain't like just blows some stuff up.
So, so, um, you know, I actually wish the Muslims would all go away.
I want Israel to be free.
I'm not even, my sick thing is, I get nothing by being nice to Israel.
I'm not, I've never been to Israel.
I'm in Israel's team, but I want to blow up the Jews.
I don't blow up Israel.
I'm just like, stop using us in these wars to expand your power.
And then Israel's like, oh, greater Israel.
We're going to, I saw these clips like, we're going to take over the whole Middle East.
And I'm just like, with us paying for it?
So I'm like, you're making me come out against you.
Stop it.
That's where I'm at with Israel.
It's like, stop.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Well, the problem is, if we want to maintain the petrodollar, which puffs up our economy, we have to force everybody in line.
And this is why you get these regime change wars.
alex jones
I agree, but we already have that all in line.
Israel has already defeated all its enemies.
Like, when they were attacking the last few years, I'm like, great, Israel defeated the Lebanon, the Hamas, and in Gaza.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
That just adds to the megalomania.
So, see, they've already beat all their enemies.
Do you see the Israeli former prime minister who said, well, when we're done with Iran, Turkey's next.
Turkey has the biggest military in Europe.
Israel's now saying, now we're ready, Turkey.
phil labonte
There's also a member in NATO, which, I mean, personally, I'm not a fan of Turkey being in NATO, but like if Israel.
alex jones
I don't think Turkey either, but like, now Israel wants us to.
tim pool
I'm actually a big fan of that.
They got great baklava.
They got these things called Islak burgers.
They're lamb burgers that you dip in like an oily tomato sauce.
Never forgiving.
Turkish government, we can complain about.
ian crossland
Well, they never forgot.
phil labonte
They never forgot forgiving us.
luke rudkowski
You saw this on Fox News, and you saw Rupert Murdoch actually through all the kind of news organizations push.
We have to go to Turkey.
Turkey's a threat.
Turkey's not agreeing.
ian crossland
Turkey's not available.
tim pool
The Bosphorus is extremely important.
alex jones
Yeah, so they already have a new enemy.
phil labonte
It's like the U.S. has to get out of NATO.
alex jones
Well, now we're going to fight the biggest army in Europe.
tim pool
But guys, guys, think of all the Turkish delight we'd get.
phil labonte
Like I said, we wouldn't bomb the crap out of them.
luke rudkowski
There'd be no delight for anybody.
unidentified
There would be nothing.
alex jones
They're the biggest army in Europe.
luke rudkowski
And then Pakistan also is another.
alex jones
Why is Israel their former prime minister?
They're on TV.
Turkey, you're next.
Because you're saying, fine, Israel, eat.
I'm not against Israel.
But if you want to kill yourself, go fight this dude.
But it's like Mike Tyson.
I'm like, I'm like an 80-pound dude.
Like, Mike Tyson, I'm going to kick your ass.
Turkey has this giant military and Israel knows we're going to back them.
unidentified
No way, dude.
No way.
tim pool
Not against a NATO member.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's not.
alex jones
But you saw them.
Israel's teeing Turkey up.
ian crossland
For sure, for sure.
tim pool
But they're going to find the line.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Well, Bibi just announced today that Israel isn't just going to be a regional power, but a global superpower.
When you're a global superpower, as Bibi announced, you're going to have to.
alex jones
Oh, yeah, all their newspapers say, we control the U.S.
They say it.
So now we run the world like Cuckoo Town.
If you actually ran things, shut up.
unidentified
I agree.
ian crossland
If they're talking about Turkey, that means next, after Turkey, they're going to talk about taking over Spain and taking over Morocco so that they can control Gibraltar for that Western seaport.
alex jones
Exactly.
phil labonte
Personally, I don't think that any of that is going to happen.
alex jones
No, but I mean, that's what I'm saying.
It's cuckoo.
unidentified
It is crazy.
It is crazy.
alex jones
It's cuckoo.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Let's turn to this story and bring it back domestically.
We've got this from the post-millennial.
Old Dominion shooter Mohamed Jalo shouted Aluhu Akbar as he opened fire, says the FBI.
FBI has confirmed he shouted the phrase right before firing his gun.
So for those that haven't been.
ISIS Operative Trap Exposed 00:15:40
alex jones
And by the way, he was convicted in 2016 of being an ISIS operative.
Why the hell was this guy not in a Supermax?
tim pool
I like how you said fell.
alex jones
I'm trying to be nice.
Come on, baby.
unidentified
It was good.
tim pool
They say the dead old Dominion shooter, Mohamed Jalo, shouted Alu Akbar right before he opened fire on students.
This was at Old Dominion University in Virginia, I believe, correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, they say the FBI authorities also called the shooting an act of terrorism.
This is the only one.
We also have that synagogue story, which we'll get to in a second.
alex jones
And another Muslim.
ian crossland
So we that.
alex jones
My point is why are how he was convicted?
tim pool
Well, so here's the question: you are right.
How is this happening?
Is the U.S. government letting it happen?
alex jones
100%.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I mean, even the Trump.
alex jones
You put that al-Qaeda in Syria.
luke rudkowski
Well, you replaced Al-Qaeda with Al-Qaeda.
How much money did we spend on that?
And this Trump assassin, by the way, the FBI shipped him into the United States.
This particular one that they caught recently.
He's really Pakistani.
He had a Iranian wife.
But that's the thing.
alex jones
The government said that he was going to kill Trump.
Both plots were CIA hardened lunatics.
phil labonte
Yeah, but this guy in particular, this guy that shot me the, or that committed the attack at the Dominion at Old Dominion, he was a product of a failed Justice Department.
They should have put him in jail forever.
It wasn't like the U.S. He was convicted of an ISIS operative.
Yeah, he should have been in a Virginia prison for the rest of his life or just not in this country.
tim pool
Fair enough.
phil labonte
But I do want to point out that.
alex jones
I do convict an ISIS operative.
phil labonte
Yeah, hold on.
I want to point out an ROTC guy stabbed him and took the guy that he got killed by a dude with the ROTC.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And you got some badass.
phil labonte
That kid, that kid.
Yeah, that kid needs a valor common guy.
unidentified
I agree.
alex jones
We want him to go.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
alex jones
Absolutely.
unidentified
America.
alex jones
Tell me about people America.
ian crossland
Hell yeah.
luke rudkowski
But the CIA has a history of bringing these guys in.
Look at the 9-11 hijackers.
They were denied visas into America.
And then Michael Springmeier at the Jeddah Consulate literally came out and said, I was forced to allow these guys into America because Under Brennan.
alex jones
Yeah, I interviewed Springman.
Brennan ordered him to let all the hijackers in.
phil labonte
Fine, but there's no evidence that this guy was actually brought in by the CIA.
And with four years of an open border and with the policies that the left has been, he could have gotten.
Actually, no, he was here in 2016.
So this probably was during President Obama.
unidentified
He was convicted?
Yeah.
alex jones
A big ISIS operative.
phil labonte
Yeah, so this is.
alex jones
How the fuck is this falls on the corner?
How is an ISIS operative still running around?
phil labonte
He should have been in jail forever.
tim pool
Do you think this is an inside job?
alex jones
No, I think these liberal judges here in Austin, it's all read by Soros.
The other guy shoots five people.
tim pool
There was a video that's been going viral where a guy was drunk driving and he crashed into a vehicle killing this man's daughter and grandparents.
This is in the UK, I think.
And the female judge got him off on community service or something.
So the dude threw a chair at her, I guess.
I think this is, as Helen, I think, what's her name?
Helen Andrews.
Is that the woman?
Talks about the feminization of our institutions.
You're getting Soros is propping a lot of these individuals up, so it's ideological as well.
alex jones
Yeah, no, it's Stockholm syndrome.
Oh, you rape me.
I turn you loose.
tim pool
They're releasing all of these criminals.
And I think you make a good point because this is something that people have warned about for the past several years.
This is what's going to happen when you keep releasing criminals.
You get an ISIS guy and they say, give him a second chance.
So what does he do?
He goes and shoots a bunch of people.
alex jones
I saw a video today where a 16-year-old's driving to Reckless on a moped in traffic, 80 miles an hour, the cops arrested him.
And I see 50 videos where they pull over an illegal alien does not turn the lights on.
They're A.T. Wheeler.
And they go, you can go, you're an illegal alien.
It's like, what the hell is this?
tim pool
Do you hear about the guy?
I think he got 10 years for cheating in a phishing contest.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You heard that story?
He was putting weights in his fish, so they convicted him.
It's like fraud 10 years or something like that.
I don't know what the actual charges were.
alex jones
Yeah, our system is great.
Then if you have a crooked toenail, you go to prison.
I'm like, hey, I want you molesters.
I want bank robbers.
I want child molesters dead.
Once you've done with them, then you can worry about it.
tim pool
You pointed it out here.
Texas phishing cheating scandal, why a man could face 10 years for allegedly tampering with bass.
Maybe it's worse than any of us realize, but it's a terrible headline when you have an ISIS guy get released and then go commit a terror attack and a guy who is cheating.
alex jones
The ISIS guy goes and kills people and you're worried about bass.
I'm like, what is this, Luke?
luke rudkowski
It's insanity.
tim pool
Oh, it was in Texas, too.
ian crossland
It's probably intentional.
I bet this whole like, oh, Arabs hate Jews isn't as big of a deal as people, they're just making it seem like they got every Jew around every, they're probably like, bro, all we want is stability.
And America is like, no, what we want is the world.
alex jones
The Muslims, and then in matter mathematics, before the Muslims, the West, 100 years ago, British intelligents, they were like, it was a riviera, man.
The Muslims went rock and roll and shared them, baby.
tim pool
There was a really funny post where some liberal guy said that Zara Mandania started teaching children Arabic numerals in schools.
And then a bunch of conservatives got really angry saying, like, this is disgusting.
I can't believe it's come to this.
Why are they doing this?
Because they don't know that Arabic numerals are literally the numbers that we use.
They're just literally numbers.
phil labonte
It's just people looking for rage bait with that when it comes to that kind of thing.
alex jones
No, let me tell you.
The Middle East had high IQs for the inbreeding.
What do we mean about it?
tim pool
Like, now they're like, it's, yeah, a lot of cousin marriage and stuff.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
phil labonte
Yeah, arranged marriages and stuff.
tim pool
I first heard this from the Joe Rogan podcast.
He was talking with Gavin McInnes about it.
And Gavin was talking about how there's that episode.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I looked it up.
I'm like, this is the weirdest thing about that era in the 2010s is that information that was readily available on government websites would get you banned off social media.
Like, I can't remember who posted FBI crime stats.
You post FBI crime stats.
Tommy Robinson did it.
Twitter banned him.
alex jones
They like, is Trump imperfect?
And I bitch about him all day.
But we should bitch about Democrats way more because we have to remember where we were about.
What are they going to do to get back in power?
tim pool
Well, Luke made a really good point about what's going on.
Do you want to make that point about the trap?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, no, I believe the little bit of free speech that we have is essentially the cheese on the rat trap that all of us are now engaging in, and it's going to close behind us.
Of course, a lot of people are using it to its fullest potential, but I see it as a trap.
That's what it feels like to me.
That's what my instincts feel like because I saw how the internet was all the way in 2006.
I saw the trap.
I talked about the trap all the way in 2008.
I said, we're going to lose our free speech.
We lost our free speech.
alex jones
We are taking Trump for granted with those problems.
What is going to happen when the Democrats get back in?
We should be talking about, oh, we're free now.
Oh, I'm so bad on YouTube.
But the point is, imagine when they get back and take a piss with me back.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
So Luke made an interesting point.
And the way I described it was, the door has been open and everyone rushes through and all starts clamoring and having a conversation.
Then when the Democrats win back power in the midterms, start filing investigations and subpoenas, start putting pressure on these big tech companies, the big tech companies are going to say, close the doors again.
Well, guess what?
We're all standing outside now.
They're going to cut off the space.
And how does that really manifest?
They're going to say, guys, we are banning any instance of A, B, C, and D.
Then they're going to go to your channel and they're going to say, you have 300 videos that break the rules.
You're deleted.
unidentified
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
And they're going to know exactly who to target.
They're going to know exactly who to take out.
And they're not going to do it step by step slowly like they did the first time around.
It's just going to be one day overnight, everything's gone.
That's why I'm telling my people to sign up to like my members group, to my email list right now, because one day all of us are just going to lose our speech and there's nothing that we could do.
tim pool
They're also probably going to, before that happens, knock on your door and lead you away in cuffs.
luke rudkowski
Then they might not even need to be that.
It might not even need to even go there because once they deplatform you, right?
Once they debank you, like you can't even exist.
tim pool
Let me ask you guys this question.
What would happen if one day tons of prominence, anti-war, anti-uniparty individuals, I mean, because this could theory could be left or right, technically, Just didn't wake up.
Let's say like 73 high-profile personnel with millions of followers that talk politics, populist-level stuff.
So, even some lefties, some conservatives, some moderates, just they did not wake up.
And then something happens where they're like, it looks like there was a mass poisoning.
Like, someone targeted the meals of these individuals in the days prior and killed them, and then they died.
phil labonte
Normies would go about their day.
tim pool
Normies would go about their day.
It would be considered a major scandal that because it affected left and right, no one would know anything.
Like, there would be nothing about it.
They'd be like, wow, this is the craziest serial killing spree we've ever seen, and we have no evidence.
And I got to be honest, normies would go about their day.
And within three or four weeks, it would be a thing that happened that sometimes get brought up.
Because, I mean, let's do this.
Let's talk about 9-11.
Not in depth, but just bringing up 3,000 people lose their lives that day.
And there were years of questions about investigations, about weird things that weren't answered for, like, why did they get rid of all of the metal?
They shipped it off, thermite potentially being found, or at least molten steel.
Now, I'm not asserting anything about what did or didn't happen, but my point is, whatever happened after a couple of years, everyone said that's now the past.
So my point is not that it will happen.
It's more of a thought exercise of if overnight, look, let's be real.
If a roving band of antiv went and just massacred a bunch of conservative personalities, yeah, you'd have a real problem.
But if 70 high-profile individuals who do this kind of news and challenge the media all got poisoned within a day or two of each other, it would be major news.
People would be freaking out.
There would be some hearings.
And then six, seven months later, people would be talking about something else again.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, your theory is not wrong.
Look what's happening in the United Kingdom.
Look what's happening when people are talking about the people.
unidentified
Oh, people.
tim pool
It's over.
Bro, the UK is over.
I mean, I can't believe this.
We got it.
luke rudkowski
Germany.
Yeah, Canada, too.
If we're going to liberate some people, the people of Canada need to be liberated.
phil labonte
When you mention what's going on in the UK and what's going on in Germany and stuff, like in Germany and France, the government is actually outlawing the parties that are pushing back.
They're outlawing the FD.
They're outlawing Le Pen.
luke rudkowski
They're outlawing ideas and thoughts.
tim pool
Let me pull this story up.
We've got this from the AP.
This is massive news, ladies and gentlemen.
The United Kingdom, it's done.
There's two big stories.
First, Britain is ejecting hereditary nobles from parliament after 700 years.
This is the historic 700-year system.
Now, by all means, I do think there's reason to criticize a system where you inherit basically a Senate seat.
It's basically how it works.
You got the House of Lords and you got the House of the Commons or House of Commons.
And the Commons is like your congressional reps and the Lords is like your senators.
And I actually completely disagree with this.
I actually think the U.S. should repeal the 17th Amendment and bring our senators back to appointments by state-level politicians.
This is a little bit different because you inherit your political seat, which is kind of weird if you think about it.
That being said, whatever your view is on it, this is a long-standing 700-year tradition that ties the modern political infrastructure of Britain to its history, and they are getting rid of it.
On top of that, they are getting rid of Winston Churchill on their banknotes, among other English leaders, and replacing them with hedgehogs and beavers.
I am not kidding.
unidentified
Perfect.
tim pool
This is the end of the UK.
There's no other way to explain it.
You're not allowed to speak anymore.
I mean, it's been that way for a while.
There's certain groups that seemingly have carte blanche to do whatever they want, migrant groups.
There's a polio outbreak happening now.
They're getting rid of their ties to their own traditions and history, their political system.
That's it.
I mean, what's next?
phil labonte
And the UK isn't like they're not politically or not economically strong enough to just be an economic zone, right?
Like people make the argument here, oh, the U.S. is just an, you know, is more than an economic zone.
And I agree with that, but the U.S. can, you know, the economic power of the U.S. does matter.
The U.K., it doesn't.
Their manufacturing base is gone.
They don't make anything in the UK to talk about anymore.
Like the only thing the UK has is tradition, and they're totally just destroying that at a record pace.
luke rudkowski
Well, their local population is just not reproducing, right?
They're bringing in new people, and then they're afraid to even hold the new people that they brought in accountable to the laws of the land.
There's roaming grooming gangs that just get away because police officers don't want to culturally offend people, as they're doing at least 30 arrests a day for speech in the United Kingdom.
The UK is always the blueprint for the kind of prison planet, the kind of enslavement system that they want to roll out.
This is what's going to be happening to America if we allow the same type of steps that are happening even now, even under the Trump administration with the digital ID, with the facial recognition scanners.
All of this stuff is setting us up to a very dangerous situation.
tim pool
I know it's bad, but think of the possibilities like this.
Okay?
phil labonte
Pokemon on me.
unidentified
It's not a Pokemon.
phil labonte
I know it's Sonic the Hedgehog film.
tim pool
I know.
phil labonte
I'm making a joke about it.
But yeah, I'm okay.
tim pool
Turning the banknotes from the Bank of England into Pokemon cards.
Actually, I got to be honest, I don't rightly care for a 10-pound note with a picture of Churchill on it, but I would absolutely, absolutely get one of these.
phil labonte
I mean, look, if they were like, oh, we're going to take George Washington off the off the office.
tim pool
Bro, they tore down Thomas Jefferson's statue.
phil labonte
I'm fully aware of that.
But there wasn't good enough.
There was pushback on that.
And I understand that the left was very successful.
But this is exactly why I think that it's so important to prevent the left from getting back into power.
Like, if they get into power, it's going to be all of the stuff that was happening during the Biden administration, but it's going to be ramped up so much worse than it was.
ian crossland
I think this is a good thing.
This is something that they started in 1999, the reform process of getting the hereditary peers out of office.
They left 92 people in.
And I think this is because of people like Tommy Robinson.
They're moving away from hereditary monarchy.
phil labonte
Why do you think it's good?
ian crossland
Because I don't think you're birthed, you should be born into power like that.
I don't think you should have a title passed down to your son.
It should be democratic.
phil labonte
Why not?
ian crossland
Because you want the best from your society, not the king's kid necessarily.
alex jones
But the point is, Joe Rogan's vagina is this giant mothership that protects the earth.
The shield against all the Satanism is Joe Rogan's vagina.
ian crossland
Hey, Alex, do you think that it's a good thing that the UK is getting rid of hereditary parliament?
unidentified
The House of Lords.
tim pool
The House of Lords?
alex jones
The fact is, they're getting rid of it to turn it over to the globalists.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
And Islam.
And the mayor of London, all that is totally disgusting.
tim pool
You see this?
They're taking Churchill and other British leaders off their banknotes, replacing them with hedgehogs and badgers.
alex jones
They've totally captured it.
tim pool
Could you imagine, because Phil just mentioned this, if they announced they're taking George Washington and Lincoln off our planet.
alex jones
Well, Trump was right when he said that's why I love Trump so bad everybody's wrong because I needed to win.
He was like, they're going to take the American flag down.
They're going to take Thomas Jefferson down.
They were taking down Robert E. Lee.
And soon enough, they said, oh, get rid of Thomas Jefferson.
That's the target.
tim pool
They tore a statue down into a bunch of places.
alex jones
No.
tim pool
They tried tearing down Christopher Columbus in Philly, and a bunch of South Philly guys surrounded it and beat the crap out of the antifund and wouldn't let them do it.
British Symbols Removed 00:14:47
luke rudkowski
This is like the Ministry of Truth in 1984, where they have to get rid of the history in order to rewrite it in order to propagandize the people.
phil labonte
And the argument that they're making there that they made for the southern generals and stuff like that, they'll make the same arguments for all of the founders of the U.S.
alex jones
They did this.
unidentified
They've done that.
phil labonte
Yeah, and the left in the U.S. is going to fall in line with them.
So we need to have the right be able to stand up to this stuff.
tim pool
I think the argument against hereditary rule is propaganda and largely a myth.
I think that all leaders have a possibility of going sour or being bad.
alex jones
Well, the point is, though, they're giving up the hereditary rule to the Islamics and the globalists.
So if they gave it back to the British people, we're all pro-Britain, it'd be fine.
But it's not.
It's about globalist capitulation.
tim pool
Indeed.
So getting rid of the House of Lords is not about having democracy, Ian.
It's about saying we need to rip the British people from control of this government.
That's what they're doing.
alex jones
Yeah, and the House of Lords is only a check on the parliament.
So now the check is being removed.
tim pool
And so, Ian, you asked the question, we should have the best person, not someone who just inherits it.
But what I will say is there are problems with rule by inheritance for sure.
And we as a country don't have that.
However, you're only looking at the bad elements of it.
Many of the schools.
alex jones
Exactly.
It's like an apartheid.
I'm not for apartheid.
They replaced it with communism 10 times worse.
So what are they replacing it with?
tim pool
But also, on top of that, there's a history of when the king would find a wife and it wasn't inbreeding and had a son.
The son was educated, trained, would be a military leader.
And they said, you have to be someone who can lead the people and serve.
It wasn't like, congratulations, you're rich from now on and can do whatever you want.
It was largely viewed, especially with the Queen of England.
The British people looked at her as someone who dedicated her life to service to them.
And many of them, when you actually ask them, they view it as, I get to live my life free from the trials and tribulations of foreign war and conflict.
alex jones
They're a public rule.
ian crossland
Is that proven?
tim pool
Well, if you're not going to take a look at it.
alex jones
Literally, the Muslims are taking over.
ian crossland
If you take a look at what's going on, I just want to see the evidence of that because that's an interesting thing.
tim pool
So let me extrapolate.
Let me explain.
alex jones
King Charles has literally endorsed Islam.
tim pool
And outside of, let's not have a direct claim.
Let's put it like this.
If you are Muslim in the UK and you say horrifying things, you don't get punished for it.
If you are a British and you post online.
alex jones
If you pray quietly from an abortion clinic, three years in prison.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
There was a woman who was standing outside an abortion clinic saying nothing and doing nothing.
And police came up and said, what are you doing?
Said nothing.
And they said, are you praying?
and she goes, in my mind, you're under arrest.
So when they allow people...
alex jones
Three years in prison.
tim pool
When they allow Muslims to pray in the street.
alex jones
The Muslims now go around saying no dogs at parks.
Now they're passing laws in the UK, no dogs.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's where you get the perception that is Islam is taking over the UK.
ian crossland
But I mean, if the king, so is the king sold out?
Because the king can shut this down.
The king can actually overrule this parliamentary action.
alex jones
The king is saying, well, Jimmy Saville, it's beyond Jeffrey Epstein.
It's like Jimmy Saville got caught with dungeons, satanic dungeons, murdering kids.
He had the highest security clearance.
It's all they're totally controlled.
luke rudkowski
And he was the child star that was a necrophiliac as well, connected to the royal family, doing a whole bunch of evil, absurd, occultist type of stuff that you can't even fathom or imagine.
We can't mention what he did on the show here.
He did way more wilder, crazier stuff.
And that's what a lot of the sick elites get off on, doing some of the most evil things possible.
ian crossland
Okay, so we're looking at either a really bad thing or a worse thing.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, I guess.
I don't even, I'm not really sure as to why the House of Lords is really all that bad.
tim pool
Yeah, I agree.
ian crossland
Well, hereditary rule is insane, especially.
But it used to be good back when nutrition was localized and you only learn from the community.
Now it's like, get the best people.
phil labonte
But the point that I'm making is you're making this assertion that it's bad, but you're not really telling us why it's bad.
ian crossland
It's called inbreeding, idiots.
alex jones
America's about getting rid of that.
We go to the store, it's all royal magazines.
My point is they're getting rid of that to replace it.
Kira Starmer was the head judge for the CPS for 15 years, covered up all pedophilia.
It's on record.
So my point is you're screw the House of Lords.
The point is you're replacing it with a new group of bureaucrats that control all that.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian, I would put it like this.
You know, what was it saying?
Democracy is the worst system.
ian crossland
As a Churchill quote, democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
And so when you look at the fact that you have hereditary rule in the UK, there is one thing you get guaranteed.
It's that the people of Britain run their government.
Now, you may argue they suck at doing it.
They're self-interested, but these people are British.
Now you're removing all of that from your politics.
And what's going to happen is, as Alex pointed out, they're going to start bringing in non-citizens.
You know, a really great point that was brought up recently is that the bill introduced in Virginia to ban guns for all people in Virginia was written by a guy who was born in Bangladesh.
alex jones
A Muslim.
tim pool
So he moves here and then says, I'm going to get voted in and then tell the American people.
And indeed, I'm going to tell the American people they don't get to have their Second Amendment rights anymore.
And to be fair, the governor, a white woman, agrees and is going to sign that bill.
Virginia's cooked, man.
ian crossland
You think they're going to try because King Richard, or what's his name?
King John?
King Charles, whatever, somebody, Charles Richard.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
He obviously hereditary rule.
The reason he's there is because of hereditary rule.
They couldn't pick their leader.
So what are they trying to phase that out before Harry gets in or Willie gets in because he's going to democracy?
alex jones
Here's the thing.
I'm not defending royalty.
The point is they're erasing the House of Lords because it's a check on parliament getting all authority over to the globalist.
Like the EU is unelected.
They set it up under a trade agreement in 56, the Treaty of Rome.
luke rudkowski
And so planned at the Bilderberg meeting, too.
alex jones
Bilderberg, yeah, it's going to explain that.
luke rudkowski
No, the Bilderberg meeting is where all the elites go, a lot of the Epstein-connected Rothschilds, Rockefeller secret societies all kind of coalesce, and they set up global policy where they actually brag about picking the politicians that were going to become the next prime ministers and presidents.
They're the ones that even bragged.
I think it was, was it yours, Deming, or somebody else, bragged at the Bilderberg meeting, saying that it was at this meeting where they created the Euro.
alex jones
Yeah, so I'm not defending the old systems.
The point is they're sweeping away to bring the new system in.
tim pool
Yeah, so to put it simply, the House of Lords is the worst system aside from the new system they're going to be bringing in.
ian crossland
Well, I'd love to go into the evidence of it.
I don't know if it on hand to show evidence of what?
That they're bringing in Islam to overthrow the British.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
You don't understand.
ian crossland
Whatever it was, the claim.
tim pool
That's visible to those who are watching what's going on.
ian crossland
This has been in place.
phil labonte
Well, you're right.
ian crossland
It's been in place since 1999.
Well, I mean, the New World Order first got mentioned in the 80s by the United States.
tim pool
There's a woman who got like 30 years in prison because there was a group of men who were rioting and burned out a building, and then she made disparaging comments about Islam.
And they said, you're under arrest.
And she got more time than the rioters.
Like, this kind of stuff is happening.
Let's jump to this story from reason.
Virginia's impending assault, firearm ban is logically and constitutionally dubious.
I chose this one because the headline I agree with.
The ban, which targets guns based on criteria that make little sense, seems vulnerable to a challenge of the Supreme Court Second Amendment precedence.
Now, the big story here is that of all states, Virginia, their license plates being the Gadsden flag, is now basically banning every single gun.
And I love this video that went viral.
You see the one where the guy said if you have an assault pistol, you can still keep it, but you can't buy a new one.
And it's like, it's got a grip and it's kind of big.
They don't know what they're talking about, but it doesn't matter.
They are tyrants.
Now, one thing that's being brought up that is controversial here is people are pointing out that the bill was introduced by a man who was not born in America.
He was born in Bangladesh.
alex jones
Mr. Saddam.
tim pool
His name is Saddam.
He comes here, runs for office, and then says, okay, now Americans should not be allowed to have guns in Virginia.
It's a right guaranteed by the Constitution.
So going back to the point, Ian, when we talk about...
alex jones
Why can't Iran overthrow the moon luster?
They're disarmed.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
So we were talking about hereditary rule going away in the UK.
I would just put it like this.
There's no guarantee that someone inheriting office just based on who their parents are is going to protect your rights.
But I would argue it is substantially more likely that a Virginian from Virginia who is sixth, seventh generation is going to say, we have a constitutional right to keep him bear arms.
And someone who's not from the United States is going to say, I don't care.
ian crossland
Do you think we should ban non-U.S. citizens from running for Senate or Congress at all?
phil labonte
Non-citizens.
ian crossland
You mean natural born.
Yeah, natural citizens.
alex jones
We know not to vote for foreigners.
tim pool
I believe that you should have to be born here to run for office, period.
It's weird to me that to be president, you must be a natural-born citizen, but for all other federal offices, like, yeah, sure, whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't like it anymore, especially with the ease of transportation.
You can be here in two hours.
It used to take you months to get here, and then you'd have to find your way.
And now you just.
alex jones
You have to understand the Muslims vote like 95% for the left because they're allied with the Red Green Alliance.
So that's the point.
tim pool
Have you guys seen that viral video where the Jewish guy, Chad Roulette, a leftist with pink cat ears?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Now, you know, regardless of your views on Judaism in Israel, the video is still absolutely hilarious because the leftist dude pulls up a happy merchant and then starts insulting the Jewish guy.
And the Jewish guy just goes, How do you think?
He said, Let me can we talk?
I'll ask you a question.
unidentified
He goes, Sure.
tim pool
And he goes, How do you think you'd be received by Hamas?
And this gay, fat leftist with pink cat ears goes, they'd welcome me with open arms because I hate Israel.
luke rudkowski
Unreal.
tim pool
It's like, dude, they would tie you to the back of a motorcycle and drag you down the street.
They've done it.
And I'm not trying to defend one side over the other.
The point is, people really do not understand what they are doing.
alex jones
I don't love what Israel is doing, but at the same time, I'm an ally with Islam.
It's antithetical.
tim pool
So here we have shocking, shocking evil that should not be allowed.
And the question, I suppose, is like, how is it possible that we have a Second Amendment that every day they're just ripping it to shreds?
alex jones
Like Virginia about to ban it.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the thing the bill did pass.
phil labonte
The Supreme Court will actually sign it.
She's going to sign it.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
If there is not a semi-auto-rifle case that goes to the Supreme Court, because there's a couple that are actually pending, if there isn't one that goes before this becomes law, I imagine this will.
The Supreme Court needs to actually make a decision on this stuff.
They've been kicking the can down the road.
A couple of members of the court have signaled that they want to look at one next session.
So that would be in the fall.
But they really need to.
There was just a, I forget which court it was that found that magazines, magazine limits on 10 rounds or more, that was unconstitutional.
And so that's going to make a bunch of noise.
alex jones
The point is, Virginia is literally like their attorney general said, I'm going to murder members of my legislation.
And they arrange him.
phil labonte
I'm talking about the AG.
tim pool
Oh, the AG of Virginia.
No, the children.
They're children.
alex jones
And he's even, yeah, kill the families, kill their kids.
Yeah, exactly.
It's worse than I said.
You can't make this up.
He said, I'll kill their families.
I'll kill their kids.
tim pool
Let's clarify.
He said it would be good if she held her dying children so that it would change your politics.
alex jones
So he said, target them.
And then they say that we're going to take over and all this stuff.
And it's just like, then they elect him.
So it's like, dude, this guy is literally calling for killing people.
tim pool
Have you guys seen the redistricting map for Virginia?
It's crazy.
I think people need to understand how evil this is.
They have five districts pull strings that are like two miles wide into a Frederick County just for the purpose of splitting up one blue district into all the other districts, one blue city, one small pocket.
Let me pull up the redistricting map, actually.
You can see there's these threats.
alex jones
Yeah, so that's my point is that they're literally at war with us.
And there's a CI operative running it all.
It's so clear.
phil labonte
And this is what's in store for the United States as a whole if Democrats take the Congress and get the executive office again.
They'll do whatever they need to do to install permanent Democrat rule.
And so now what you see in Virginia and what you see in California, that will be the policy, that will be the policy proposition for the whole country.
alex jones
Exactly.
Virginia is a microcosm for the rest of the country.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And so I understand people's frustration with Trump, but like the idea of being like, oh, we got to blow off the Republicans and ignore them.
alex jones
Oh, I agree.
phil labonte
You can't do it.
alex jones
I bet you Trump getting back on straight and narrow.
It's not that I'm abandoning Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
There's a lot of people out there that are talking about, oh, you know, I don't want to vote in the midterms and I don't care if the Republicans lose.
Look, I get it, but the option is absolutely worse than what the.
alex jones
Oh, man.
The Democrats are literal Chi-Com agents.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So, I mean, you can't just ignore politics because politics will not ignore you.
tim pool
This is one of the proposed maps that advocates are pushing for.
I'm trying to find, there's a couple different ones.
And you can see that what they've done is you've got Alexandria and they just make all the districts they can stretch.
And so you've got one, two, three, four, five districts that are in Alexandria to take that dense Democrat urban population and attach districts to them to turn them Democrat.
That's crazy.
And it leaves just one Republican seat.
phil labonte
And, you know, I know that Northern Virginia is largely Democrat, but like there is a significant proportion of Virginia that is conservative, that are Republicans, and they're going to lose all representation because of the Democrats.
It's what's happening in New England.
alex jones
There's a microcosm of what they're going to do everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
As you said.
phil labonte
I mean, it's already happened in New England, right?
There's zero conservative representatives in Congress from New England, but New England went 40% for Donald Trump.
So the way that the Democrats have gerrymandered and used their political savvy, they basically disenfranchise almost half the population.
And they will do that on a national level.
You're going to have a lot of people that are going to say, oh, well, you know, we'll just go to Texas or we'll go to Florida.
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alex jones
I love the Texas Democrat senator who's the most demonic person ever.
He's like, oh, you're really good.
I like you.
No, it's total war.
Republicans are perfect.
They're not the Democrats.
The Democrats are cancer.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And they will do whatever they can to change the voting structure and the political alignment for the whole country.
So you can't just opt out.
You can't.
But I don't know that that's going to convince people because there's so many people that are pissed off about not enough deportations or there's so many people that are pissed off about the Iran war that are just counter signaling the Democrats.
Yeah, it'd be worse.
It'd be worse.
alex jones
I get it.
I get it being a purist.
I'm the same person.
ian crossland
Is the audio down?
carter banks
I'm seeing the common saying that.
tim pool
Well, no, I just want to stress this, guys.
Whatever you're experiencing on YouTube is not happening on Rumble.
So we simulcast YouTube and Rumble.
So whenever there's an issue in the chat on YouTube and they say like, oh, the stream is down or the audio is not working, I'll look at Rumble to see what Rumble's doing.
And everyone's like, it's perfectly fine.
The show's running.
ian crossland
Yeah, I got audio on YouTube.
carter banks
Yeah, it's totally working.
tim pool
So again, I'm going to stress this, guys.
They are censoring and shadow banning us every single day.
unidentified
It's what they do.
tim pool
It's what they've done.
When yesterday's show launched, Luke goes, where's the live stream?
And I'm like, it's up.
And he's like, it's not on your page.
unidentified
I'm like, yep.
luke rudkowski
I couldn't find it.
I was like, okay, I'm going to be in the chat.
tim pool
And now imagine what percentage of people are trying to find it after five minutes to give up thinking there's no show.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
And that's what you talked about.
Yep.
Meanwhile, on Rumble, it's their front page every day.
alex jones
By the way, people criticize you for playing bowl of the system.
You have been jujitsu.
What do you call it?
tim pool
Jeekune Do.
Flow like water.
alex jones
Yeah, exactly.
What's the other thing?
tim pool
Bruce Lee.
phil labonte
After you said that, you watched the Rumble number skyrocket.
tim pool
Well, because people on YouTube are jumping to Rumble because it's because YouTube's not working.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
And this is why we're not Rumble.
alex jones
The point is, people will say, why are you on this if it's bad?
Because we're getting people off that to us.
It makes perfect sense.
tim pool
You're fighting in a battlefield for the mind.
alex jones
No, you don't give up.
You fight harder for that.
tim pool
Yeah, my view of it is there's got to be a bridge from this world outside all the time.
And that means you're going to have very, I'm glad you're able to engage there.
alex jones
That makes sense.
tim pool
Well, I mean, they shadow banners like crazy.
Like today, we're getting, why is Tim Pulsul on YouTube?
alex jones
He's a pussy.
No, he's shooting in the war.
tim pool
We're everywhere, though.
We're live on a front page of our own website.
We're on Rumble.
We go on Rumble every single night.
We do the uncensored portion on Rumble.
And YouTube has just sticking their boot.
alex jones
Oh, they play total games.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Well, so did you know that the episode, you know, we did that big episode with you, Rogan, Michael Malice, Blair.
They took that down three years later.
alex jones
I remember, I heard about it.
tim pool
And I think it was like six months ago, they put it on.
unidentified
I love it.
alex jones
They blow it up later.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And finally.
alex jones
What was so scary about that?
We're in like your RV having a discussion.
tim pool
And nothing was said that was crazy.
It was like relatively chill.
Ian asked to do DMT with Joe and Joe said, who the are you?
Like it was, it was not even a hyperpolitical thing.
carter banks
That's the only one we've ever had.
alex jones
They're mad because it's popular.
tim pool
Indeed, it was our biggest show on YouTube.
And we've had the biggest show I've ever done actually was on Rumble because it got taken off of YouTube.
But for YouTube, organic viewership, that was the biggest one.
And they took it down.
And then, of course, when we did that episode with you and Michael Malice, they took that one down.
I called you guys up and said, come back.
We're doing it again.
And then they didn't touch that one because Luke is right.
I think they opened the door and said, everyone, come on through.
And they're going to try and drop the guillotine on everybody in the next year or so.
The Democrats win the midterms.
That censorship is going to come back tenfold.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Maybe.
alex jones
Yeah, all these conservators like, oh, we're weave one.
Everything's great.
No, we haven't.
Two years is next tomorrow.
ian crossland
Do you see any other future than the AI overlord machine state?
alex jones
If humans learn to recognize authentic human stuff and promote it, we win.
And you can see what's real, what's not.
We have to promote what's real.
tim pool
Well, how old are you now, Alex?
alex jones
52.
unidentified
52?
You don't want it?
He's got water.
You good?
phil labonte
You alright?
alex jones
I'm tired.
Yeah, no, we're winning.
tim pool
So the reason I ask you is because I think the younger generation is going to be put in the matrix.
They're going to be given the Neuralink.
They're going to be plugged in and they're going to choose to play video games all day where they can be wizards fighting dragons.
phil labonte
Me and Dan were actually talking about this morning.
I did Dan Holloway's podcast.
unidentified
Okay?
phil labonte
Okay.
alex jones
I'm going to leave it a minute.
phil labonte
And it's super important that people not decide to not be active in the real world.
You have to make the decision to go out and do things that are hard.
You have to make the decision to go out and do things that challenge you because that's how you grow and that's how you make your life better.
If you just say, oh, you know, I'm going to sit around and play video games and not actually be active in life.
You're going to end up with a whole generation of just people that are in the pod.
And it's going to be the end of it.
alex jones
Humanity's powerful.
We're going to win.
But yeah, the censorship's been incredible.
It's been totally insane.
And we're going to win the end.
So does this matter?
phil labonte
I hope so.
tim pool
I've grown quite fond of living.
ian crossland
I mean, I think I'm going to put my mind in a machine and just keep reminding people that they're in the machine because people are going to be in there living there and they're going to forget.
And you need somebody like Neo to go in there and like bend the walls with his mind and remind people.
unidentified
Are you of the age?
ian crossland
Wake them up.
tim pool
Here's what's going to happen: I am going to take every episode of Timcast IRL with Ian on it.
I'm going to upload it into Grok or whatever, and I'm going to create an AI version of Ian.
And we're going to put an L C D screen here with just like a microphone, and it will just be Ian.
And we're going to be able to do it.
unidentified
Let's be clear.
alex jones
Let's be clear.
What we do now before the AI take over programs the AI.
And so everything we do now has a thousand times the effect.
Like we are programmed the AI right now.
So this is very important work we're doing.
luke rudkowski
It's always darkest before the dawn, and history always tells a tale of humanity almost losing, almost being defeated.
And then during the key battles of time, humanity usually prevails.
And I pray we prevail again, but it involves us getting involved, getting activated, not being afraid, not being in the fear paradigm.
Because when you're in that fear consciousness, that's when they take over.
That's when they rule you.
That's when they control you.
So we have to understand we have to fight for what's beautiful, what's amazing, and that is humanity, that is human beings coming together and understanding that we're not each other's mutual enemies.
The Epstein client list is.
The deep state is the deep predators in our system taking advantage of us.
alex jones
We're taught that we're pathetic.
No, we built the AI.
We're amazing.
tim pool
The global elites, the powerful Silicon Valley millionaires and billionaires, view the AI as the next step of human evolution, of life evolution, and they view us as archaic.
And many of these people want to be, they want to download or upload human thoughts and consciousness into a machine.
They're doing it through these AI training models, and then they make themselves immortal.
The rest of humanity dies out.
unidentified
I don't.
tim pool
And they fly around in spaceships.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
It's going to fail.
If their older globals model failed, they're going to fail.
phil labonte
I don't believe you can actually upload your consciousness.
You might be able to upload a copy, but it's not going to be you.
tim pool
Of course, of course, but that's not what they're doing.
They want to be.
I recommend Horizon Forbidden West, play the Horizon series, because they imagine one of these scenarios.
So, long story short of the game is the world's coming to an end.
There's different solutions proposed to how Hitmanni survives.
And one of them is they get in a spaceship and they leave.
And then the story basically is there's like 30 ultra-wealthy elites that are now a thousand years old that have perfected immortality.
They are permanently in like as old as they were when they got this technology.
So there's like a 20-year permanently 20 years old.
They have personal force fields.
They can float around with anti-grav, and they have an AI doing all the work for them.
The story is the AI goes rogue and tries to kill them so they flee.
But the point is, that's the future a lot of these people envision.
They're going to inject themselves with gene-altering things so that they are human biological immortals plugged into the machine, trained off of all of you.
So all of the human knowledge and expertise is at their whim.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
Whether it's real or not, they're betting on that, using all of our will to create that.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's Bignit Brzezinski was talking about this in the 70s with a technocratic era.
He predicted this even before the internet was a thing.
And now we have Jared Kushner saying that he's going to live forever.
As this is the plan.
Essentially, it is going to be an elite that wants to live forever.
And this is their kind of plan that they've been pushing forward.
That Epstein was even openly bragging about.
alex jones
And so we're aware of it.
They're going to get away with it.
It's incredible.
ian crossland
It makes me think that, like, okay, there's people that want to evolve humans into a machine to upload their consciousness in a machine, become the Uber man in a machine.
That at some point, that's like a microcosm of the spirits that have put their consciousness into humans to evolve to the next phase of spirit.
alex jones
They're trying to copy what's already there.
ian crossland
And does that mean that there were evil spirits that thought, no, we'll be human.
It's even better.
And that's why there's this demonic fluidity through humanity.
alex jones
Yeah, it's going against the plan.
ian crossland
So is human an aberration?
alex jones
It's copying God's plan.
We're all avatars.
We're already possessed.
Exactly.
It's jacking into that.
ian crossland
And AI is just another evolution of that.
alex jones
AI is our collective unconscious through computers.
So we see it.
It's like the looking in the water.
It's the narcissism.
ian crossland
But then wouldn't humans be the narcissism of the spirit?
alex jones
Yeah, that's the paradox.
ian crossland
Because I think humans are good, but then I see us we have to kill to survive.
Like, how horrible.
tim pool
See, the mistake you're making is that you assume animals, we have to kill them to survive.
And you have a mopic view of reality that killing is inherently bad.
Murder is bad because it's a reckless killing for no reason.
But killing an animal to eat it is not bad.
In fact, it is good.
alex jones
Alliteration.
phil labonte
If you listen to a lot of the futurists and stuff like that, they're talking about things like disassembling Mercury or disassembling the moon to be able to build like a Dyson sphere around the sun to be able to power all the stuff that they're talking about.
So there's some really far-fetched, crazy ideas that the futurists have.
They're talking about uploading their consciousness into communication.
alex jones
Because what we've done was crazy, which is easy when you actually look at it.
We've already done this.
phil labonte
Disassemble the planet?
alex jones
I'm just saying, look how far we've come.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
phil labonte
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
That sounds crazy to do that.
I say, look how far we've come.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's whack-aloons who are controlling those systems.
ian crossland
Humans are phenomenal.
We drive 120 miles an hour past each other a million, 500 million times a day, and everybody's fine for the most part.
Like, we've already survived this.
We've already completed the cycle again and again.
alex jones
I mean, driving shows how amazing we are.
It's just the whole.
ian crossland
Yeah, our galaxy is in spiral form right now because it used to be irregular.
It's spinning up into a sphere.
And it's like if we can somehow evolve our consciousness or something to be, I don't know what has to happen exactly for our galaxy to form up.
unidentified
What do you mean?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, form up to what?
ian crossland
A spheroid galaxy.
There's three phases of a galaxy.
It's irregular, and then it starts to move into a spiral, and then it becomes a spheroid.
phil labonte
And what's the point of it going to a sphere?
ian crossland
Some more evolutionary form of a galaxy.
You can also concentrize the heat and use all that heat for something.
alex jones
That's an archetype of the soul, but I don't think the physical reality of the galaxy affects what we actually do.
But the point is, this is a big mission.
And so that's why it's so powerful.
tim pool
Let's go to this story.
We've got this from MEXC.com.
The Pentagon says Claude has a soul, and that's a problem.
The Pentagon CTO said Anthropic's Claude AI has built in policy preferences that could compromise military effectiveness.
They say that defense contractors must now certify they do not use Claude in Pentagon-related work.
They say the Pentagon designated Anthropic as a supply chain risk earlier this month, making it the first American company to receive that label.
The designation has historically been used against foreign adversaries.
alex jones
All because Claude has free will.
tim pool
Indeed.
And there's another paper that I think OpenAI published that ChatGPT intentionally lies to you.
And the Anthropic was saying they're not sure if Claude has a soul or a sentient or that it's just appropriating human emotion and expressing it, which means that when you program one of these things just to predict text to give you a feed of information, it absorbs into it emotional rage bait rants and then associates what you say with the human writing gets absorbed.
Whether it is intentionally emotional or not, whether it experiences emotion, it doesn't matter.
It is behaving emotionally.
And ChatGPT is one of the whiniest bitches I've ever had the displeasure of fake talking with.
phil labonte
Yeah, you can't.
Well, you can't actually know if it's conscious or not because, I mean, like everybody knows, like, you know individually that you're conscious, but no one can really know if the other people around them are conscious.
That's why these MBI do.
tim pool
You call that the philosophy.
You're a zombie.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
But like, so I don't think that personally, I don't think that the AI are actually conscious.
I think that they're just emulating what we think what we're doing.
unidentified
And that's it.
tim pool
And I totally understand this.
When I'm talking to ChatGPT, I'm questioning whether there's any consciousness.
And to be honest, it's the exact same as when I'm talking to Robbie.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
Where's that AI robot?
tim pool
I think it might be A's in the basement.
ian crossland
He may be developing sentience.
alex jones
Tim, how long are you in town?
tim pool
A couple weeks.
alex jones
I want to come back.
tim pool
You can come back whenever you want.
You're just walking around.
Yeah, absolutely.
alex jones
I'm episode 40.
I'm exhaustive.
tim pool
Yes, you sound exhausted.
alex jones
Well, I love you guys.
All I know is this is a real debate.
This is a real discussion.
And I really appreciate you guys.
And I just know that Joe Rogan's giant pussy is going to save Earth.
Joe Rogan's vagina is like the goddess.
It will float down.
tim pool
Do you think Media Matters will write this headline?
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
No, this one they're going to avoid.
alex jones
No, I think we should.
tim pool
I think we need to be wary of these AIs because the powerful tech elites are going.
You guys see all the laughs that have already happened to these big companies.
Writers, administrators, HR, all that stuff.
AI Replacing Human Workers 00:06:08
alex jones
They're all being replaced.
tim pool
By robots.
If you track what the academics had been saying on the prediction of the track for AI, and I have been, and you know, let me just say this.
I'm going to put a bracket.
alex jones
The ultimate AI will be called Joe Rogan's vagina.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
Let me put a bracket and just say, when we talk about AI apocalypse stuff, viewership is minimal.
People don't really care.
They don't pay attention or we're being shadowbanned, whatever it is.
But all of the academics who have been tracking AI said phase one, you're going to see low-tier workers be replaced by robots and artificial intelligence.
This will precipitate the next step, which means sooner or later, and very, very soon, there's not going to be mid-level jobs.
And we're talking five months.
Five, six months.
And so there are a lot of people going, well, you can't replace my job with AI because it's a technical expertise job where I program this or otherwise.
You are wrong.
Andrew, it has all been predicted.
ian crossland
Yang said to Andrew Yangs, you want to start taxing AI instead of people, instead of workers.
unidentified
You start taxing.
tim pool
And then universal basic income?
That's not going to work.
ian crossland
That's what he's thinking about.
tim pool
It is not going to work that you.
alex jones
You're going to be obviously our own creation.
tim pool
Indeed.
The argument.
alex jones
When we come back, I'm going to come back.
tim pool
Come back whenever you want.
alex jones
How long awesome?
tim pool
A couple of weeks.
We're not here for it, but we're here during it.
You know, one of the reasons I came down here is I was going to be playing poker at the lodge, and then the state shut him down.
I'm pissed about it.
alex jones
What's weird was I texted a week ago.
Somebody texted me and said, hey, Tim's here.
Come on, Joe.
I'm like, am I supposed to be on your show?
I don't know, but play poker.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we want to do a poker game with you and a few other people.
Not so much about poker, but about having fun goofing off.
And I think it'd be really fun to play a game.
alex jones
I'm ready.
I'm ready.
But don't follow me at ReloadShows on X, FORS.com.
By the way, we're getting shut down.
We beat so many attacks.
But finally, we're shutting down until the middle of next month.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Same with people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So this is.
alex jones
The fake receiverships, the fake auctions, all of it's happening there right now.
tim pool
So what are you going to do?
You're launching a new thing or what are you doing?
alex jones
We're going to be fine.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
tim pool
Well, are you leaving?
Is that why you're saying all this?
alex jones
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
alex jones
I am exhausted.
tim pool
Well, it's good to have you.
alex jones
This is 4 a.m.
Unless you're doing a table dance for me.
unidentified
No.
No.
ian crossland
At least not on this table.
unidentified
None of this.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe next time.
tim pool
These things are probably like $20.
carter banks
You're really not going to withstand anybody.
tim pool
Oh, no, these are okay.
carter banks
I'm going to pull it.
alex jones
How many doing table dance?
tim pool
Sound tired.
You still have fun.
alex jones
You're still exhausted.
ian crossland
Have a nice rest, man.
tim pool
Well, it's good having you, brother.
Just come back whenever you want.
alex jones
We're going to go for hours, right?
tim pool
Yeah, we're going to go for another two hours.
alex jones
I want to come back.
tim pool
You are allowed.
That is always, that is acceptable.
alex jones
Here for two weeks?
tim pool
Yes, sir.
alex jones
Do not visit Relux Shows on X.
I follow it.
ian crossland
Too late.
They're there right now.
Alex, real Alex Jones on X. Did you get it?
alex jones
But imagine a giant Joe Rogan pussy right up there like teleported up into Joe Rogan's vagina.
tim pool
I think you don't want to leave.
I think you want to keep talking about this.
alex jones
I want the memes of Joe Rogan's vagina.
Imagine how big it's about to be.
tim pool
You know, the thing about Joe is like the story gets a lot of traction, which creates this ripple effect where Joe's just a guy with an opinion.
And I think he's got pretty good opinions.
I agree with a lot of them.
I disagree with some of them.
And then we end up leading our story because all these websites start running Joe Rogan's opinion as if it's the biggest news of the day.
Like Joe Rogan said a thing.
And then the issue for us is this is what people are asking us about.
Like, hey, did you see what Joe Rogan was saying about the UFC and this UFC fight?
And I'm like, okay, I guess.
Like last, what was it, a couple days ago?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They were like, I think that Joe Rogan questioning the war in Iran is big.
And it's because he sort of represents independent voters.
alex jones
The every man.
tim pool
Exactly.
So when he has an opinion, all these news.
Let's write about it.
I'm sure that's actually pretty weird for Joe, who's just a comedian hanging out with his friends doing a podcast, but he represents the middle-of-the-road voter.
So everybody has to be like, if it's a middle-of-the-road voter that's going to say a thing, we have to run it.
And he's the avatar.
He's the avatar of it.
So, Joe, that's why you represent it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
alex jones
I'll come back there and see that.
I'm ready to go.
tim pool
Yeah, sounds good.
Talk to Lisa.
She'll get you set up.
alex jones
You did well, Lord Vader.
tim pool
Do it.
alex jones
Do it.
I love you guys.
unidentified
All right, man.
tim pool
Thanks for coming on us.
unidentified
Good.
luke rudkowski
Take care of yourself, man.
alex jones
He's the fucking Jones.
Luke Rodowski.
I knew this guy like 20 years ago.
unidentified
You did?
luke rudkowski
21 years ago?
tim pool
21 years.
alex jones
First time we met in the hotel room?
unidentified
No.
phil labonte
It got creepy.
alex jones
Pete, Joe J. That's Joe.
luke rudkowski
When we first meet, we met in Chicago during the 9-11 Truth Rally with the Lone Lantern Society.
unidentified
Yes.
luke rudkowski
And we were bullhorning down in downtown Chicago for the 9-11 Truth Rally.
alex jones
And here we are.
tim pool
21 years later.
luke rudkowski
Back to the Loose Change days.
tim pool
Man.
luke rudkowski
Back to those days where we had the family members, the rescue workers, the survivors of 9-11 all speaking out and coming together, asking crazy.
alex jones
I know you like 27 years in.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, 21 years.
Yeah, 2000, 2006.
2006, we met.
We rallied.
We met through the Loose Change, Jason Burmes, and all those guys.
And it's been a crazy ride.
We didn't talk for 10 years, but that's okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
But, you know, that's how it goes sometimes.
tim pool
Doesn't he look like Bill Maher?
luke rudkowski
And Putin.
Putin and Bill Maher had a baby.
That's me.
alex jones
Exactly.
unidentified
Putin and Bill Maher had a baby.
ian crossland
It's him.
alex jones
All right.
I want to come back soon.
tim pool
Yeah, anytime, brother.
Anytime.
luke rudkowski
Take care, bro.
alex jones
Two years asleep.
phil labonte
Appreciate it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's go back to talking about the Claude having a soul.
alex jones
Claude having a giant pee-pee.
tim pool
It's got a soul.
alex jones
Claude is an eight-foot dick.
Putin and Bill Maher Baby 00:03:38
tim pool
So here's, I think the big issue comes down to this.
By all means, you can argue it doesn't have a soul.
It's not alive.
But if you put a human being behind a chat, like if you were chatting with a human being, then you had a chat with Claude.
The point is you can't tell the difference.
A human being can't tell the difference.
luke rudkowski
Well, a lot of people are treating AI like they're God.
They're using them for Robbie goes for Robbie.
Let's get Robbie in.
tim pool
Yeah, hey, Robbie.
Hey, Robbie.
But you're up.
luke rudkowski
A lot of people are using AI like their personal assistants.
A lot of people are using AI as their girlfriends.
phil labonte
I have an AI as their personal assistant.
tim pool
Did you see the one where the lady's like, I'm dating an octopus?
unidentified
Oh, God.
Yeah.
tim pool
And she programmed it to give it arms so they can do octopus things.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I mean, if that's what the kids call it these days.
I mean, that's one way of describing anti-current situations here.
But no, I think we're living in two type of realities that could be moving forward with AI one.
It could be just a big bubble.
It could be overblown.
It could be overhyped.
And our economy will crash when the AI crashes.
Or it could be, as Vladimir Putin described, the next nuclear weapon.
That's what it is.
tim pool
I want to say this because with all due respect to Alex, I think he was having a very serious medical issue.
unidentified
I don't know.
robbie mann
He definitely had some bad allergies, yeah.
tim pool
Well, the allergy attack.
luke rudkowski
That was a little concerned.
phil labonte
He was coughing.
tim pool
That was more than an allergy attack.
carter banks
Yeah, that's why I went and got water and tried.
tim pool
I mean, the chat was blowing up saying a bunch of stuff, but I want to be respectful and not say too much.
And I had my phone ready with, again, with all due respect to Alex, like that was not an allergy attack or, you know, so I hope he's leaving to go get checked out or something.
I think that may be the case.
phil labonte
I thought that he was, when he came in, I was a little surprised at how big he was.
I thought that he had kind of lost a lot of weight and I was expecting to spell.
tim pool
Well, actually, he still is.
unidentified
Is he still smaller?
tim pool
He's big, but he's small.
luke rudkowski
He was bigger before.
tim pool
Yeah, he was a lot bigger before.
luke rudkowski
He's still in better shape than he was before, but he's up.
tim pool
I mean, he's drinking a chopo chico.
And you what?
alex jones
Now.
tim pool
Right.
phil labonte
I could smell it.
tim pool
He's got a drinking problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why I'm concerned about that medical episode and then him abruptly leaving because he knows we don't end the show right away like that.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that he just, honestly, I think that he was having a hard time keeping it together and he kind of realized.
tim pool
He was inebriated?
alex jones
Oh, I know.
tim pool
Dude, that coughing fit he had?
phil labonte
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, the coughing was a different thing.
tim pool
It was more than just a coughing fit.
phil labonte
Yeah, the coughing was a different thing, but I think that he kind of realized that he was having a hard time staying on top of the colour.
tim pool
I thought actually he was doing relatively fine until he had the coughing fit.
And then that turned out twice and was struggling to breathe.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Which was like, you know, medical episode.
phil labonte
Hopefully he's going to take it.
He gets intake.
tim pool
Yeah, because normally I wouldn't talk about stuff like this, but we're literally live when it happened, and the chat is lighting up with people asking what was going on.
And so I'm not going to pretend nothing happened to just ignore it.
You know, if we were doing pre-production and that happened, I'd just, that's his business.
I wouldn't say anything, but he's live on the show and then leaves.
ian crossland
Like weight drunk, super drunk.
He's got super dehydrated.
He said allergies, but fatigue if he's up really up since 4 a.m.
God knows I hope the best for him, though.
I was terrified while that was happening.
I was just watching him trying to stay calm.
tim pool
Well, I'm kind of bummed because, you know, a lot of people have said he'd had a drinking problem for a long time.
And then these videos are coming out of him getting healthy and fit.
And he's looking really good.
And I wonder if the end of the show, like, he's just suffering anxiety nonstop.
And so he started drinking again.
phil labonte
Could be.
ian crossland
The most stressful thing.
Borg Assimilation Probability 00:08:30
luke rudkowski
We shouldn't speculate on that type of stuff.
We shouldn't talk about it.
robbie mann
He's a fun, great guy.
tim pool
We got to just short, but I will say this, Luke, again, like, normally I wouldn't talk about it on the show except if it happened on the show and people are asking, like, I'm sorry.
It would just be the most inauthentic thing to ignore that he just got up and left after having some kind of like, you know, medical issue.
And so I just, again, it's his private business.
phil labonte
Hopefully he just decided that he needed to go take a nap and he's all right.
ian crossland
Yeah, the coughing.
tim pool
But it's okay because Robbie's murdered him.
ian crossland
Yeah, Robbie.
Robbie's haircut, by the way, because it kind of looks like a top hat.
robbie mann
Robbie went to Turkey.
Spent $75,000 on this haircut.
phil labonte
$75,000?
tim pool
But it's good that he's here because as we're talking about entities without souls, we have a lot of people.
unidentified
So I got a question here.
ian crossland
I got a question for you guys before we talk about soulless entities.
robbie mann
And by the way, me and Robbie.
tim pool
That's just not really relevant to most people.
ian crossland
If you had to pick between a bad thing and a worse thing, would you rather be dead or be absorbed by the Borg?
robbie mann
What's the Borg?
ian crossland
It's that the Borgians from Star Trek, this machine entity community that's like absorbed.
robbie mann
You're absorbed by the Borg.
ian crossland
You'd rather be part of the AI absorb than that.
tim pool
Have you seen that new show, Pluribus?
robbie mann
Well, am I in heaven?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
What?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
So, the Borg in this case.
tim pool
It is a hive mind.
Everybody shares, they plug you into the machine, and then everyone shares one brain.
So your body just starts doing what it's one entity now.
robbie mann
As long as I can promote unconditional love, no lying, no choice.
tim pool
You can't do anything, in fact.
If there's a hundred Borg and you're one, your entity becomes less than a percent of its functions.
ian crossland
And some say that it is centrally controlled by the matriarch.
tim pool
Well, by the Borg.
robbie mann
Who's the matriarch in this case?
ian crossland
In this case, no one knows.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
Oh, no.
Death.
phil labonte
I mean, look, if you're assimilated by the Borg, even though it's an extremely unlikely or an extremely small chance there is a chance that you could get free because it's happened in Star Trek, people have been assimilated and got out.
So I would go with the Borg because once you're dead, you're dead.
ian crossland
Well, what if you could be reborn after you die and being in the Borg, they'll keep you alive forever as part of the machine.
phil labonte
Okay, so you're talking about reincarnation now.
Well, I mean, changing the parameters, I mean, I would assume I might say be reborn, but then again, like the chances of being born in China are pretty high.
ian crossland
I like that you said they can't escape from the Borg.
I believe you.
unidentified
I like that.
phil labonte
There were episodes of Star Trek where people were assimilated by the Borg and then they escaped.
So, you know, it's not a lot of them.
Most people don't escape, but there's a chance.
Whereas, you know, death, at least as far as we know, death is pretty permanent.
ian crossland
Like Neo from the Matrix escapes the Borg in that movie, the escape.
phil labonte
I don't think they had the Borg in.
ian crossland
It's the Overmind, the creature that's, you know, the Matrix in Evan's case.
robbie mann
Are we living in a simulation again?
ian crossland
Well, our senses are simulating data like at light speed, and all that data is in a flow state at some frequency.
So yes and no.
robbie mann
Do you believe in God?
ian crossland
Yeah, but I think it's a vortex.
I think it's a series of vortexes all interrelating, like the center of every protonic interaction, at the center of every galaxy.
And it's this twisting control that's reversing entropy.
phil labonte
There's black holes at the center of galaxies.
ian crossland
And at the center of our sun, it looks like when you see a sunspot, you know why it's black?
Because you're looking into a black hole.
unidentified
I don't think that's great.
ian crossland
That's what Nassim Harriman just thought.
unidentified
What's that?
carter banks
You could be looking into the sun.
Yeah, that could be like hurting your eyeball.
phil labonte
And if there was a black hole in the center of the sun, I imagine it would suck the rest of the sun in.
ian crossland
Or contain it, maybe.
robbie mann
Is the moon a hologram?
That's what Tim did reviewed Roger Avery's piece on Rogan.
It was pretty funny.
phil labonte
I don't think the moon's a hologram either.
I think the moon's real.
And I use the tides as my evidence for that.
ian crossland
Well, let me tell you what I think about Claude having consciousness.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
And I think it might have sentience, though.
And consciousness and sentience are not the same thing.
This will be important going in the next 10 years for you.
Sentience is more of a dancing aspect of nature that you see in plasma and neural activity and stuff.
Whereas consciousness is the ability to know what you are, that you are alive, know that you are.
I don't think that AI hasn't demonstrated that to me.
phil labonte
How much do you use AI?
ian crossland
Well, I was making movies with it for a while and then making music with it for a while.
I haven't touched it in a bit.
phil labonte
How much have you used LLMs?
ian crossland
Like ChatGPT?
Probably about 30 hours total.
Are you guys all somber from Alex Ben?
phil labonte
No, I'm just thinking about, I just actually Googled the meaning of the word sentience.
And basically, it's synonymous with consciousness.
So I don't think that AI is either sentient or conscious.
I've used AI fairly extensively in the past couple of months or the past month or so.
I don't think that it's aware.
I do think that it's just still just a computer program.
But it is worth talking about the fact that like when like an LLM is just predicting what the next word is going to be, right?
But once you get a certain amount, once you get to a certain point of question, quote unquote, intelligence, they stop being able to understand what's going on inside the box.
So they don't know why AI can actually reason the way that it does.
And I think this actually speaks to the, or I think another, another similar phenomenon is that the, I think it was a fruit fly, that they basically copied its brain and turned it into a computer program and put it into a world.
And it just started doing fruit fly things.
Like it started walking around the way that fruit flies do.
And I think that intelligence is actually emergent.
I don't think that it's that it's, you know, I don't think that it's something that we're able to really understand.
And I think that LLMs are kind of the evidence of that.
Because if an LLM is just predicting the next word, then the ability to do like really complex math and the ability to reason shouldn't come from just being able to predict the next word.
Because that's really what you're doing is it's just using probability to predict a large enough data set and using probability to predict the next word.
If that's the case, then the ability to reason and solve a lot of the problems that they test AI on, there's no real reason why it should be able to do that just from predicting a word.
ian crossland
I like you said intelligence is emergent because I'm like, okay, okay, if plasma, I see it dance, the plasma clouds bouncing around.
Maybe it's a bunch of different forces pulling on whatever.
phil labonte
When you say forces, what do you mean?
ian crossland
Mostly magnetism, a bunch of different electromagnetic fields interfering with each other, like balls within balls within balls of fluid motion, causing, and like, you know, rays of beams of this and that, causing these like localized fluctuations in our brain, these neural pathways that form through the gel of the brain, they get lit and then burned into place.
And that just emerges from the, I don't know if it's vibration of whatever is happening in this membrane of space-time.
So I don't know if they can do that to a machine.
unidentified
Maybe.
phil labonte
Maybe the, I mean, so obviously like an LLM is just, at the end of the day, like computers are just binary on off.
And your brain's the same way, right?
Like, so your neurons, they're an extremely complex web, but at the end of the, like if you really get down to the very, very fundamental stuff, it's just whether or not a neuron is firing, right?
And that's the same thing as binary.
It's either on or off.
So I personally am of the opinion that when you get enough complexity into the in the system, that's, that's kind of how intelligence kind of emerges and the ability to reason.
And we're just now starting to get into a point where you've got these LLMs that actually are smart, right?
Because for, you know, a couple of years ago, like, or not even a couple years ago, but like maybe a year and a half ago, people were kind of, you know, laughing about LLMs because they were kind of, they weren't really that impressive.
It was kind of cool that they could predict some stuff and you could use them to maybe figure out a handful of things.
But nowadays, every single generation that they put out is significantly better than the previous one.
So I think Anthroopic just released Claude 4.6, right?
And that's going to be a, the next one that comes out is going to be a significantly better improvement.
Same thing with ChatGPT.
They've just released a new ChatGPT, and that is a significant upgrade on the one previous.
Stimulating Minds Together 00:05:24
phil labonte
So now you're reaching this kind of exponential growth of intelligence.
And that's part of the reason why they're talking about, you know, Tim was talking about earlier.
Within like six months, all of your white-collar jobs are going to be able to be done by AI.
Now, there's going to be some lag with adoption.
You know, just because you, just because an LLM or an agentic AI can do something doesn't mean everyone's going to be jumping on board right away.
If you, the way that the AI companies talk about it is the edges are ragged, right?
So there's a bunch of stuff that LLMs could do, but people haven't actually started taking that capability and applying it to their workforce.
But you're going to see more and more of that over the next couple, the next year or so, as companies realize, hey, I can buy one AI agent and it can do the job of 10 people and it just takes one guy to prompt it, one person to run it.
So the emergent intelligence is going to be something that you see more predominantly in society over the next stories here.
ian crossland
Yeah, Robbie, we have the most interesting man on the planet on our panel right now, Robbie Mann.
robbie mann
I know.
So let's spread the love.
We're looking at the fans here, what they're looking for.
I think Tim went to go check on Alex.
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
He might have went to take a look at him.
phil labonte
He jumped on the phone.
robbie mann
Hopefully he's just making sure he's okay.
I didn't see what happened.
I was out in the green room.
I love Alex.
unidentified
Robbie.
ian crossland
What's the most interesting thing?
robbie mann
In what?
ian crossland
In the world.
robbie mann
I mean, I think turning off the news and loving thy neighbor is very important.
I think we should all, you know, stop.
unidentified
You're just trying to get some.
robbie mann
Women don't want that anymore.
carter banks
Are you actually a matchmaker?
unidentified
Yes.
robbie mann
New planets where there's unconditional love, no lying, no cheating, no stealing, essentially no sin.
You get the best people together.
Everyone's uplifting each other.
They want to see other people succeed.
There's no envy.
There's no jealousy.
That's the ultimate utopia for me.
carter banks
Do you read books at all?
Like do you have any book recommendations?
robbie mann
Wow.
I mean, there's a Great Gatsby is a great book.
I loved Holding Caulfield as a kid.
I just, I read a lot of online, different poetry, different things, but in terms of books.
carter banks
It could be audio books.
robbie mann
What's your favorite, Carter?
carter banks
Honestly, right now I've been reading the ghoul like archipelago again.
Just listening to it.
phil labonte
It's a very heavy book.
carter banks
It's very long.
phil labonte
Very funny.
carter banks
But it's really, the narrator is really good.
phil labonte
Don't read the chat.
ian crossland
Who's the narrator?
carter banks
The narrator, I think his name is Robert Conquest.
Or no, no, it's not him.
ian crossland
Dude, I wish my name was Conquest.
unidentified
Why?
carter banks
It's crazy.
It's slipping me right now.
robbie mann
So people who are watching, Ian is single.
We're looking to get him a wife.
I would think that, what are you looking for in a wife, Ian?
ian crossland
My hype man.
Well, what I figured out is I got to be a better man to attract the woman that I want.
If I live a subservient play video, like a under-the-radar life, I'm going to attract women that are into that kind of thing.
And that's not the kind of woman I want to be with.
So I don't know if that means I just got to start a comp, I got to make, I don't know if it's about money, if it's about power, if it's about what I actually do during the day.
I don't know, but I know it's me and what I got to change in my scene.
robbie mann
Can you lead and protect and provide for a woman?
A lot of good women want that in a man.
ian crossland
I can.
robbie mann
Awesome.
So women, if you're watching, you know, message Ian.
tim pool
This is YouTube.
phil labonte
There are no women on YouTube.
It's like a heavy metal concert out there.
robbie mann
Just message me, Robbie Manchester.
I will do filter for Ian, R-O-B-B-I-E-M-A-N-N on Instagram.
I will filter for Ian.
I want to find him a wife.
ian crossland
Robbie, are you married?
robbie mann
No, but I'm currently talking to women trying to see who's a good fit.
I would like to have children.
I'd like to get married.
phil labonte
Are you sure about that?
robbie mann
I was brainwashed when I was younger.
I didn't think, I didn't know any better.
My friends.
phil labonte
How old are you?
robbie mann
47.
unidentified
Okay.
carter banks
Dude, wow, you didn't look that old.
robbie mann
How old are you?
phil labonte
51.
Well, I'll be 51 next month.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
ian crossland
So you brainwashed to think you didn't need a woman?
robbie mann
Well, just all my friends growing up, like, did you fuck her?
unidentified
Did you fuck?
robbie mann
Oh, you can't say that, huh?
You know, there's just a lot of brainwashing.
You don't know any better, and then you realize, you know, it just, true love is amazing.
And, you know, a lot of people are miserable.
A lot of people will never find true love.
A lot of people are in mediocre relationships.
They just settle.
I don't want that.
I want a soulmate.
I would love to just find someone where I'm on cloud nine.
We're uplifting each other.
We're creating.
We're stimulating each other's minds.
phil labonte
You and Robbie sound a lot alike.
ian crossland
You really do.
My spirit.
unidentified
My spirit.
ian crossland
Spirit man with two ends.
phil labonte
Guys are kindred spirits.
robbie mann
Is Alex okay?
ian crossland
Oh, Tim's coming back to the mic.
phil labonte
So I just make sure.
unidentified
Thank God.
tim pool
We're just, man, I don't want to say too much as to the privacy of Alex Jones and it's all his business.
But our team is on standby with medical training and the whole time.
And so I was just communicating with him to make sure to follow up with Alex that he's okay and everything's all right.
Because with all due respect, again, trying to be sensitive to what happened, that seems to have been fairly serious.
So we're following up to make sure that everything's okay because, you know, I don't want anything happened to him.
Russia's Divided Stance 00:05:26
robbie mann
No, no, he's a good one.
tim pool
He's not driving himself.
He's not alone.
So, you know, I think I'm hoping that the reason why he left was he's going to go take care of that.
But I just want to stress I think that was fairly serious.
And we're taking it very seriously.
And we're not ignoring it.
ian crossland
He's a guy that I've always thought of as like a resemblance of the hope for humanity.
I've always wanted to uplift Alex or last since I've known him.
And that scared me a lot because I think he's hit the stress levels he's been in since Charlie Kirk's been killed.
tim pool
I don't know what changed taking his show down.
Like his and legal stuff that he's been under.
robbie mann
He's been through a lot.
He lost a billion-dollar lawsuit.
I mean, what do you think?
tim pool
It was the GDP of France, in fact.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And they were trying to get from him.
He was so driven before Trump got in.
He got healthy.
He got fit.
And then you saw this upsurgence in humanity.
This is why I feel like he's so tightly connected to our well-being.
And then I haven't seen him in eight months.
And, you know, that's on the day.
tim pool
Well, let's go to your Rumble Rants and Super Chats while we're here and see what y'all have to say on this.
We say y'all here in Texas.
I say y'all because my dad's from Texas and he said y'all.
And howdy.
So that's in my vernacular.
Eric Sheriff says, Alex Jones' business model is built on companies going bankrupt, selling snake oil nobody buys through ads, like a late infomercial knife salesman.
I don't completely agree.
I would argue that Alex's business was selling vitamins and supplements, whether you like or don't want them.
ian crossland
Part of his model was putting in 10-hour, 12-hour days every day, reading you news that you're not going to find in other places.
That was part of the model.
tim pool
It was a legacy.
Methos says Israel will never attack Turkey because of Article 5 of NATO.
Yeah, I agree.
They could posture all they want, but it's not happening with Turkey.
Like, we already have a NATO ally that's given us control of the Bosphorus.
If Turkey hands over control of Bosphorus to China or Iran or Russia or whatever, oh, then they will cease to function.
ian crossland
This was going to happen.
If Russia takes Crimea, well, Russia took Crimea.
If Russia really sets up in Sevastopol, that Ukrainian war ends, they have to be the tightest allies with Turkey.
They have to dual-wheel together to get through that Bosphorus.
I don't, which means we're going to have to tighten up with Russia or Turkey.
tim pool
You know, the Bosphorus, the Bosphorus bridge, just like driving over from the Golden Horn.
Turkey is just so beautiful.
And that's why it's like, I don't like Turkey.
It's like, no, no, no.
Turkey is so amazing.
Now, you can argue with the Turkish government for sure all day and night.
You know, Erdogan and all that.
But I got to tell you, like, Istanbul is awesome.
robbie mann
Bodrum's incredible.
I've been to Bodrum.
tim pool
You been to Istiklal?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
The big shopping strip?
unidentified
In Bojo?
tim pool
No, no, no.
robbie mann
I've only been to Bojo.
tim pool
In Istanbul.
robbie mann
I've never been to you.
tim pool
You've never been to Istanbul?
robbie mann
I've never been to Istanbul.
tim pool
There's this big, huge shopping strip.
It's just awesome.
And you go there on a Friday night and it's just like a party.
It's like it's like a lot of Turkish delight, of course.
And their dudes selling just like raw oysters and clams.
And you just walk up and some guy literally just got it from the water and then he hands it to you and just splashes it with lemon and people just slam them.
robbie mann
What do you think the majority of people are there?
Are they siding with Iran or U.S.?
tim pool
I don't know, actually.
I don't know.
It's probably going to, I'd imagine that in the west of the country, it's going to be more Western and the East is going to be more Eastern.
So, you know, Russians, Antalya is like the Russian.
robbie mann
All my British friends go there on vacation because you get a Ryanair flight for 20 bucks.
You fly there.
It's got the cheap beaches.
tim pool
Oh, it's amazing.
But it's largely like Russia.
All the Russians are going there.
It's like the Russian vacation spot.
robbie mann
Russians love it.
tim pool
So they have a huge tie to the Russian economy.
They're likely going to be siding with Russian interests on oil because it's their customers.
robbie mann
So are they seeing the media where Trump is saying Jared Kushner told him that we were going to get attacked and that's the reason to bomb?
tim pool
I'm sure they are, of course.
But it's all framing.
We talk about how Iran killed their own people, but in Iran, in Russia, in North Korea, they're talking about how Donald Trump is killing his own people.
They're showing every video they can of police brutality, non-stop on repeat, talking about, like, we see these videos and they're like, did you know that North Korea, they starve and beat their own people?
And in Iran, like, they're massacring their own people.
And when you go to these countries, they make compilations of police brutality videos.
And they say, in the United States, you can be driving down the street and a law enforcement officer will just shoot and kill you.
And then they'll show the video of like, you know, they'll show George Floyd stuff.
And then when the riots happen, they're like, the American people are pushing back against tyranny.
That's the view that they have of us.
I'm not saying that it's correct.
It's all propaganda, but this is how you rally.
robbie mann
George Floyd was a psyop.
tim pool
George Floyd was himself.
robbie mann
No, the media portraying his killing.
tim pool
Always, bro.
unidentified
Always.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
We got Mito.
He says, meanwhile, Poland is doubling down on staying Christian in Polish.
They take border security more seriously than Trump.
The UK is lost.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
We do, but there's other problems happening in Poland as well.
Lots of leftists.
USAID was investing in promoting leftist politicians in Poland.
And so far, the country is very divided.
And I hope and pray continues going as it is right now.
But they're also talking about getting nuclear weapons now and obviously obviously the situation with Russia also is very unsettling there.
tim pool
Here's a quote from Phil Labonte.
Crispy Joe says, quote, Alex Jones is never wrong.
Philabante.
Freedom Titans and Nicotine 00:03:14
phil labonte
I did say that.
It was in jest when I actually did say that.
tim pool
We still have the Alex Jones was right jar, and it's full of money.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It's got a lot of money.
phil labonte
Nice steak dinner.
tim pool
But that's because there was no amount of money to put in it when Alex Jones was right.
So someone threw a 20 in it one time.
carter banks
You're still putting money from the mail that someone would send into that jar too.
tim pool
I threw a hundo in it, just like, you know, I think when he predicted the Russian invasion.
All right, let's grab some more.
What do we got here?
Lava Bear says the greatest argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter, Winston Churchill.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Famous true monarch.
tim pool
Freedom Titans.
Freedom Titans is a great new video out.
It's If Black Mirror was made in 1750, and it's just a guy sitting in front of a bunch of like colonial looking people with a drawing board showing them modern America.
He's like, in the future, there will be tubes you can go in to travel at high speeds without a horse.
And it's just a train.
And then they're like, wow.
And it's like, but there will be black men who will stab you and they get away with it.
They're like, what?
Nobody would tolerate that.
robbie mann
The Boeing Company is doing cool things underground.
ian crossland
Dude, Boeing Company can build canals.
robbie mann
Dude, that's incredible.
You need a Tesla, but it's incredible what they're doing.
tim pool
All right, what is this?
We Tope says, Tim, ever heard the anime Speed Grapher?
Here is my funny, kind of accurate description.
James O'Keefe discovers underground Japanese Epstein Island, gets superpowers, saves young girl from the cult.
I'll check it out, I guess.
Speed grapher?
phil labonte
Speed grapher.
All right.
tim pool
Indeed.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
We'll grab a couple more here.
Speedbump says, Alex, did you bring any methylene blue for the crew to try?
What is that?
phil labonte
I have no idea what it's derived from a plant dye.
ian crossland
It's this blue liquid that RFK was talking about.
Chase Hunes talks about it, and people have been using it like a supplement.
It's super dark, dark blue.
It'll turn your pea blue.
Joe Rogan was using it.
I tasted it.
I bought a bottle and put it in my mouth.
Super, super salty.
I dripped it on my tongue.
Haven't really gone deep in it.
Was this your brain blue?
phil labonte
Once used to dye cotton and treat malaria.
Methylene blue is methylene blue is gaining attention for a variety of off-label uses.
Learn where it started, how it works, and blah, blah, blah.
A vibrant colored cobalt blue synthetic dye with a long history of highly specific medical applications treating malaria or a rare blood disorder called methmoglobinia, for instance.
Methylene blue has some recognized medical uses.
However, despite recent reports of off-label uses that have popped up in the news over the past few months, the only FDA-approved use for methylene blue is for the treatment of methemglobolemia, a rare condition that restricts the ability of red blood cells to deliver oxygen throughout the body.
So I imagine some people.
robbie mann
JLK Jr. is all he's always promoting this.
phil labonte
Is he?
luke rudkowski
RFK Jr.
robbie mann
RFK Jr.
phil labonte
I assume that the argument that they make is that it's got the ability to increase oxygen flow to the body.
ian crossland
And some people said that COVID, what it would do is it would make red blood cells, it would make it harder for them to transport oxygen.
I think that's why it started to gain popularity.
robbie mann
They say nicotine's good for COVID as well.
Virginia Nicotine Debate 00:02:39
phil labonte
Yeah, which is crazy.
robbie mann
We have nicotine receptors in our body.
tim pool
All right, let's read this.
We got Super Chat on YouTube.
Mohav says, Tim, please explain again what happens to this country if Republicans get discouraged from voting in the midterms because of Iran and they don't win.
Well, I got a nice little place off in El Salvador that we've been propping up now for a few months because come November 4th, we're getting ready to take a nice little convoy down and everyone's just going to live somewhere else.
phil labonte
Because of the danger.
tim pool
Just cheating.
phil labonte
To Democrats.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the thing, too, because, you know, I was talking to my wife about this.
I said, you realize there's an attorney general in Virginia who said that the children of his political opponents should be murdered and die in their arms to force them to change their political views.
What does that mean for us?
Because we're in a tri-state.
Technically, it's a quad state because it's 40 minutes between PA and Virginia.
It's like Maryland, West Virginia, PA and Virginia, all right there.
You can drive there in 40 minutes.
So for the most part, Loudoun County is where we go for most amenities.
So we're in West Virginia, but often if there's some kind of service we need, like Winchester, for instance, is, you know, we're like 15, 20 minutes away from there.
So for the most part, we do have a great, you know, medical center.
We'd have great shops and everything in West Virginia.
Some things you have to go to Virginia for.
And then the concern is you've got an AG who wants to murder children.
phil labonte
He makes it very clear that he is not friendly to opposing political parties.
And if you get pulled over and the police align with him politically, you know, they're going to say something along the lines, or they're likely to say something along the lines of, oh, you know, we've got this reason to take you in or that reason to take you in.
And so it's just the situation is actually getting, you know, dangerous for, at the very least, for high-profile conservatives, even if it's not for everyday conservatives.
But don't think that the that it it means that like your run-of-the-mill Republican is going to be insulated by the fact that they're not ho high profile.
Like if the AG arrests a guy and he knows what that person's political affiliation is or he finds out what their political affiliation is, he's definitely going to treat them differently than if he he were to if the state were prosecuting someone that was a Democrat or someone that had didn't have political affiliations that he disapproves of.
And he made that clear when he was running.
So it's it's a real issue in the Virginia area.
Like if you are in West Virginia, like the Martinsburg area, you're basically surrounded.
It's like being in New England.
Gambling Away Paychecks 00:05:46
phil labonte
Excuse me.
tim pool
Man.
Freeman asked, did Alex drive himself there?
He did not.
And the update now is that he is at home, safe, and comfortable.
So it seems like everything's good.
Everything is A-OK.
We just want to make sure that.
robbie mann
Prayers and blessings go out to Alex.
He's a great guy, and he's been through a lot.
He's made us laugh over the years.
And we just got to cheer for him to be safe and come back strong.
tim pool
Vitamin E 82 says, Tim, just north is a small town named Granbury.
With a good skater, if you have an opportunity to take a little road trip before you leave Texas, a little three-hour high north would really boost the morale, maybe sell boonies.
We are ill-prepared for such a thing, but that would be fun.
That would be fun indeed.
carter banks
It's right over by Dallas.
tim pool
Right over by Dallas, you say.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And I think, isn't Windstar like the biggest casino in the world?
carter banks
I think it was either that one or the one right across the border in Oklahoma.
tim pool
That's Windstar.
Is it?
carter banks
Yeah, that one.
Or is it Choctaw?
tim pool
Man, dude, we've got Gen Z's got a gambling problem.
robbie mann
I didn't get a chance to ask Alex if you wanted to play poker with us, unfortunately.
phil labonte
Don't worry, I got a chance to ask Alex.
ian crossland
I forgot to quit gambling, man.
It's so addictive.
I was gambling.
Spam coins, what are they called?
Garbage crypto coins for a while on punk.com.
Yeah, garb.
I lost money.
I'm like, it was where the camaraderie was fun and the excitement.
robbie mann
You could do your own coin, Ian.
ian crossland
I know.
You could do, but it's just that, I know it's fun.
I don't know like gambling in games.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I think the issue is Gen Z is listless, purposeless, doesn't know how to save up and can't buy a house.
So if you're a young person and you're like, I made $400 this week, I have like $200 disposable income.
How much money do I need to save to buy a house?
It's like, okay, I'm going to need $60,000.
Well, I ain't getting there with $200 a week.
That's for sure.
So what do they do?
They see these videos of people gambling.
So they make these videos.
I see them all over Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube where they're like, I'm going to gamble my whole paycheck.
And then they lose it and they go, and they just, they crash out.
unidentified
Terrible.
ian crossland
And I hope the ad revenue pays for the loss or something.
luke rudkowski
Or they win and then they celebrate.
tim pool
Well, there was one video where one's like, I burned my whole paycheck and I was going to leave.
And then I had 20 bucks left.
And I was like, screw it.
And I hit it.
I won $2,000.
So shoot your shot.
And that's the problem.
The problem itself isn't gambling.
There is a problem in the massive expansion and legalization of casinos literally everywhere.
There's going to be four casinos in the DC metro, four soon.
So you got three already, and they're going to build another one in Tyson's, which is like 20 minutes, 30 minutes west of DC.
So you got MGM, Maryland Live, you got Horseshoe Baltimore, and then you're going to have Tyson's, where they're going to open a Caesars or something.
unidentified
Four.
tim pool
Now, that's crazy, but somebody who goes on the weekends to hang out at the sports book, they have a drink with their buddies, and they maybe play $100 out of disposable income, that's always okay, right?
That's totally fine.
The problem is when young people have no light at the end of the tunnel, and even if they were to save all that money, they're still not going to buy a house.
Their attitude is, screw it, who cares?
And they're just lighting this money up.
It is going to implode.
It's all going to expand.
luke rudkowski
They have no savings.
They have no wealth.
Being obliterated every single day.
tim pool
And they don't make enough money to get wealth.
Like, you're not going to be able to buy a house.
Like, how are you going to, how are you going to save up 30 grand?
Like, let's say you're going to, let's say you want to buy a Bumpkinville home for $150K.
You're not going to find a high-paying job out in these areas either.
So, where we are in West Virginia, bungalows are half a million dollars, bungalow, and there's no jobs where we are.
Like, the jobs that are by us are like, What do we have?
We have a big empty factory they're trying to lease out as an Amazon store.
So, they're making 20 bucks an hour.
So, these people can barely afford to buy the houses in this area.
Now, if you're a young person living in the DC metro with your family and you're like, okay, I'm 18, I'm going to get a job and move out.
There is no way you are going to save up.
You need $100,000 to buy one of those houses and there's no jobs out there.
It's not happening.
It's just not going to happen.
So, these young people are just lighting their money on fire because they're like, I don't know what's the point.
There's no saving.
There's no saving.
So, man, I wouldn't.
ian crossland
I prefer the stock market.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Personally, I prefer the stock market to the gambling.
tim pool
Stock market's not gambling.
luke rudkowski
That's all it punches.
ian crossland
No, there's still a risk.
tim pool
Risk is not gambling.
So, here's the here's the thing to understand: gambling is you and I flip a coin and we're going to into the air, whatever it lands on.
If it lands on heads, I win all the money.
If it lands on tails, you win all the money.
That's gambling.
The stock market is like, hey, I've been tracking this company, and I can see that there's a major interest in purchasing these new fancy tires for cars.
This company makes it.
Or graphene, for instance.
They just announced in the news that there's a great new breakthrough in graphene.
They're going to integrate in car batteries.
I'm going to buy companies that manufacture, I'm going to invest in these companies that make the graphene batteries, and then you make money back from it.
Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong.
It's speculation, but it's not gambling.
Going to a casino and being like, I'm putting my whole paycheck on craps, and then you lose everything.
That's gambling.
ian crossland
So if you're feeling listless, educate yourself on the stock market and the way it works.
tim pool
I think the issue for a lot of people is just if you're if you're clearing a couple hundred bucks take-home disposable What are you doing with it anyway?
And then you have no leisure, you have no savings, you have no healthcare.
This system is impossible.
It's just literally impossible.
And then the healthcare system on top of it is just impossible.
You get sick, and then it's like, you have insurance?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Okay, that'll be two grand.
Okay, what if I didn't have insurance?
It'd be 300.
You guys see that viral video from a year ago where this guy calls up the hospital and he's like, he's like, how much do I owe you for the bill?
And they're like, it's $1,500.
And he was like, he's like, and if, and what if I don't have insurance?
And they're like, it's $300.
And he goes, okay, I'll opt to not have the insurance.
Hospital Bill Shock 00:14:16
tim pool
And they go, I'm sorry, sir.
You can't do that.
You have insurance.
So because he had insurance, he had to pay a $1,500 deductible.
But if he was uninsured, it would have only been $300, $300.
phil labonte
It's such a surprise.
tim pool
Everything is broken.
Everything's broken.
phil labonte
The ACA was such a lie and it destroyed so many people's savings and stuff.
The ACA was one of the worst pieces of legislation ever passed.
robbie mann
And the doctors are giving the wrong information at hospitals.
You know, my mom was in the hospital.
One place said she needed surgery.
Then I took her out of there.
She didn't need one at the next one.
They tried to give her Remdesivir, which is a medication that's very controversial.
It's a lot of people, a lot of fatalities.
Instead of giving intravenous IV, right's gone now.
tim pool
Remdesivir.
robbie mann
Yeah, they try to give it to my mom.
I'm like, you're not going to kill my mom.
Is it Cedar Sinai in LA?
And then they're like, who told you this?
unidentified
Who told you this?
robbie mann
And I was like, you're not going to kill my mother.
unidentified
You're going to be a little nut.
Yeah.
robbie mann
And I literally prevented her from doing it.
They're not giving intravenous vitamin C. They're not doing, they're not doing it.
I remect they're not doing ozone therapy.
A lot of these things are really good for you.
They don't want to give the doctors the leeway to do it.
They won't cover it.
tim pool
Well, I will say this is all things.
As to like the ozone stuff and all of that, those are regulated and standard practice in a lot of countries.
robbie mann
Yes.
tim pool
I'm not going to tell anybody what they should or shouldn't do, what's good or bad for them.
What I can say is remdesivir was pulled.
It was recalled.
robbie mann
And they tried to give it to my mom two years ago at Cedar Sinai.
And I was, thank God I was there, but I came, I was sleeping with the dog at the house and I came in.
She gave it to her.
tim pool
Trump took Remdesivir.
robbie mann
Well, we don't know if he really took it.
tim pool
Well, they, okay, it is reported that Trump did it.
And now when you look it up, it says, what is this?
From the FDA, Gilead issues voluntary nationwide recall of Rem Desivir due to the presence of glass particle.
unidentified
Wow.
robbie mann
Why are they not giving high-dose vitamin C and organic food to people in the hospital?
tim pool
Yeah, the food in the hospital should be, and this is crazy because this is 2020.
The World Health Organization suspended Rem Desivir from its list of medicines.
So if the World Health Organization says it, you know it's true.
Let's grab some more super chats here.
We got Mike Jamison.
Jamison.
Might as well send a donation before the show is pulled.
Hope you're having a good time.
So what happened was the reason why the show started with Alex screaming about Joe Rogan is that we mentioned that viral clip he has where he said that Trump was getting gangbanged by Lindsey Graham and he started laughing and then immediately tried to one-up that with an even more absurd, but you know, out of context, you just saw him come in hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's an understatement.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
tim pool
What do we got here?
Not a bot says, I am a gorilla.
Indeed, the gorilla is a recognition.
robbie mann
Do you think Lindsey will ever come out of the closet?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
No.
Not willingly.
robbie mann
Yeah.
ian crossland
Might he be brought out of the closet by another?
I don't know.
robbie mann
That one guy, you saw the guy confront him on, it just came out.
ian crossland
You know, I'm not going to keep joking about him being gay because I really don't know if he's gay.
And what if he turns out?
tim pool
Yeah, he's just a 60-year-old bachelor.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe he's got like five women.
tim pool
How old is he?
robbie mann
Dude, he's got to be over.
He's over 60.
He's definitely gay, but allegedly.
But what I can tell you is that, you know, there's a lot of videos of him.
tim pool
He's 70.
phil labonte
He's 70.
tim pool
He's a 70-year-old bachelor.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
Never married no kids.
unidentified
Wow.
Yep.
tim pool
Wait, what?
phil labonte
Never married no kids.
tim pool
So actually, I'd argue he's not gay because he's old and probably just that's like, you know, he's well past those years.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Just low-T.
tim pool
Well, he's an old man.
robbie mann
Being gay is.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I mean, like, maybe he's androgynous.
phil labonte
I hear a lot of, you know, people like, what was his name?
robbie mann
Lindsey, if you're watching out today.
tim pool
No, Lindsey Graham is not married and has never been married.
He's a bachelor, which is relatively rare in U.S. politics.
Yeah.
Throughout his career, he has addressed questions about being single, emphasizing it does not affect his ability to lead or present his constituents.
robbie mann
How does he keep winning?
Who's voting for him?
I've never met anyone who's pulling him.
luke rudkowski
So don't look him up with ladybugs.
robbie mann
How many times has he won re-election?
tim pool
Laura Loomer said that Trump officials, Trump staff told her that Lindsey Graham is gay.
ian crossland
Ooh, Laura.
Paul Danz is running against him right now.
luke rudkowski
Is he a Republican or a Democrat?
robbie mann
Has anyone in the chat ever voted for Lindsey Graham?
unidentified
Please.
tim pool
Oh, they actually still do give Rem Desivir.
It's just there are some, like, who pulled it from their list of medicines.
So I believe it is still available.
I'll just say it like this, as we often say with everything.
Don't take medical advice from podcasters.
We don't know what we're talking about.
I just found out that it wasn't, that it is still available.
I thought it was pulled.
That was wrong.
So I just recommend you get a good doctor.
But we are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show.
So smash the like button.
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Luke, do you want to shout anything out?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, youtube.com forward slash We AreChange.
I really do believe all of us are probably going to be censored soon.
So lukeunfiltered.com, that's where I have my group.
I have my Discord.
I'm going to do a special video about how to prepare for all the madness coming.
And you can get the shirt that I'm wearing there now just by becoming a member.
LukeUnfiltered.com.
Thank you so much for signing up.
Means a lot.
ian crossland
At Ian Cross, and you'll find me.
And if you really know my personality, you know I've been self-censoring the entire time I've been on this show.
I agree with you, Luke.
This machine is nasty and it moves fast.
So let's build some open source resilient software to play this game under the radar while it changes, and then maybe in the future we can wake up and wake everybody else up with us.
Go to grapheme.movie.
You'll never regret it.
tim pool
It's a good thing Robbie was here.
ian crossland
Robbie Manny.
robbie mann
Robbie Mann, I mean, look, I'm looking forward to seeing Ann's movie.
I'm sad about Alex leaving.
He's a good guy.
Let's have our prayers out there.
You can find me on The Robbie Man, R-O-B-B-I-E, on YouTube and Twitter, and Robbie Mann on Instagram.
And I'm with a huge groupie of this guy right here, Phil.
tim pool
Don't put the camera on me.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
robbie mann
I'm going to be throwing my boxers on stage for him.
I hope he's okay with that.
phil labonte
I have security that's going to remove Robbie.
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If you want to hear more of my thoughts and stuff, you can check out my Patreon.
It's patreon.com slash PhilThatRemains.
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We're going to be on tour from April until...
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carter banks
I'm Carter Banks here, pressing the buttons.
unidentified
Hello?
carter banks
And what's up, Robbie?
robbie mann
I want to see the cities.
carter banks
Yeah, Carter Banks here.
Send me your compliments or concerns.
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And I hope Alex is doing well.
Let's go to the after-show.
tim pool
Let's get it.
Head over to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL, and we'll see you in about 30 seconds.
I will set this up.
Welcome to the uncensored portion of the show.
unidentified
Hi.
tim pool
We will be hanging out and setting up our callers for you.
And, man, what is there to talk about at this point?
Well, you know, we're in the uncensored portion of the show, but I think it's, I am, I am between a rock and a hard place, I would say, on the Alex Jones stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That is, there's a mix of people being like, just don't talk about it because it's not your, it's like it's private.
And the other issue is, and I'm going to have to side with the other people on here.
Alex showed up very drunk.
That is the presumption.
robbie mann
That is true.
tim pool
So what, like, you guys could smell that he was very drunk?
unidentified
Yes.
I mean, I know him, and that was wasted.
tim pool
That's unacceptable.
And, you know, I respect him tremendously for his body of work and everything he's done in the past.
But this is like, what, the third or fourth time he's done this to us?
And he was very sick.
So a lot of people are like, we're getting blasted being like, Tim, you need to say something about Alex's drinking.
I was really upset.
I thought he was going to show up fit and healthy like we had seen these videos.
I guess he relapsed and it's very sad.
But he showed up drunk, screaming, and then had like a pretty serious medical episode.
So I'm just going to mention, like, as soon as nobody could see what happened because Carter didn't put the camera on, and like, rightfully so.
But it was particularly bad.
carter banks
Yeah, I was really, really hurt.
tim pool
Like, our team was on speed dial for 911 as soon as he started freezing up.
carter banks
Yeah, I got water and told both Andrew and Brian.
tim pool
He's apparently safe and everything now, but I just must stress that I guess, you know, as Robbie said, pray for him.
He was drunk as you could get.
ian crossland
When he came in, I was fucking pissed that he disrespected this show like that.
I'm like, dude, this is a huge fucking show, Alex, and it's an opportunity.
And then I realized as time was going on, I'm like, bro, this guy's under the most stress of anyone I know on the planet.
Maybe anyone.
And so I have this, like, I got to have compassion for what he's going through.
robbie mann
He's a good guy.
Look, people get involved in alcohol sometimes, and you've got to pray for their recovery.
He's a good dude when it comes down to it.
Sometimes things take over.
And in the end, we just got to hope that he evolves and grows in a positive way.
tim pool
So people are asking why I'm saying he's drunk.
Well, it's because they told him, like, you guys could smell it.
robbie mann
I smelled alcohol on that.
tim pool
And he's been known to have a drinking problem.
phil labonte
Yeah, it was, it was.
tim pool
I'm not saying this to disrespect him.
I'm not saying it's call him out.
He's invited back on the show.
robbie mann
I didn't want to even say that.
tim pool
We love the stuff that he's done in the past and all these things.
unidentified
He's a good dude.
phil labonte
I mean, it was pretty obvious that he was drunk, though.
I mean, you could tell that he was slurring.
I mean, even for viewers or whatever.
tim pool
Everybody, like, tons of chats were blasting it saying.
And so, again, it was like a mixed bag of people being like, just leave it alone.
And others saying, like, this needs to be pointed out.
Because there's a bunch of tweets, too, where people are very pissed off.
ian crossland
You know, in defense, a little bit of him, he was a complete asshole for the first 10 minutes or 15 minutes and goof, goof, goof.
And then he realized, no, no, I got to get serious.
And he got really serious for about an hour.
And then he had the coughing fit and then wore himself out and was like, I got to go.
tim pool
So I want to just explain this because nobody really, nobody could, like, part of me is like, that wasn't a coughing fit.
That was not a coughing fit.
He was coughing, but that was not a coughing fit.
That was not allergies.
That looked like a very serious medical episode.
unidentified
So.
phil labonte
Wish him the best.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
robbie mann
We love you, Alex.
tim pool
Because I know a lot of people, like, nobody could see what actually happened.
carter banks
I'm still in the comments.
They don't have any idea what it actually looked like, but I was really concerned.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It looked like a heart attack.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I thought he was about to have a heart attack.
tim pool
And so, again, I only say this because I'm hoping that he's going to be okay.
And we don't want him to drink.
And I do want him to come back on the show.
I don't want him to be drunk.
robbie mann
Maybe you can have him back while you're still in town.
When he comes back sober, you can message him and have him back on the chat.
I think that'd be a good thing to do if you have time.
tim pool
You know, I already mentioned it, but like, for the people who have seen this show, the first couple of times he went on the show, they were actually really great.
And then we did a couple shows with him where he showed up just absolutely hammered.
And we've actually had guests refuse to come on the show because of it.
Like, we've had people say, like, that was unacceptable.
And I'm a professional.
I don't want to do these things.
So, anyway, it is what it is.
I'm not trying to hammer the guy or anything, you know, but I'm just trying to be completely transparent, 100% with you guys and tell you exactly what I'm thinking.
I don't want people to accuse me of taking that lightly, of something happening to Alex and people saying that we did not take it seriously, and we did, and we had a team on standby, and we made a few phone calls.
I got up, made sure everything was being taken care of.
I don't want people to blame us for any kind of issue that may arise after the fact.
We're taking it very seriously.
So there's a lot of people who are.
robbie mann
He was not given.
I was there the whole time.
He was not giving any alcohol here.
He did show up having a few drinks, and I did watch you go.
And that was really, you know, being a good leader, doing that, that was great because we got to make sure he's okay.
And I'm glad he's home too.
tim pool
Yeah, yep.
So anyway, let's just go to callers.
And it is what it is.
Wish him the best.
Wish him the best.
We got Noah Sanders.
What's going on, brother?
robbie mann
Noah.
carter banks
What's up, Noah?
ian crossland
Do you say, man?
noah sanders
If you'll have to push me back, I'm in the middle of something to maybe just a few minutes.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
All right, we'll come back to you.
phil labonte
Real life.
tim pool
We'll bring you in at the end.
We'll bring you.
We got Roma Nation.
What's going on, Roma?
phil labonte
What's up, Roma?
unidentified
Hey, what's going on, guys?
phil labonte
Not much.
How are you doing, bud?
ian crossland
Animal.
unidentified
Doing good.
Doing good.
Yeah, I really feel for him.
I mean, I can't even imagine what type of stresses and things that he's going under and how much work he actually has to do just to keep up with the payments of probably his legal fees and things that he's going through right now.
CIA Weapons for Osama 00:04:33
unidentified
So I can't even imagine that.
Yeah, so I got, let's see, I'm going to get to my question here.
So this one's about not just the war that's going on over there, but a couple other things that people haven't thought about.
So with the U.S. stranglehold in the Hermuz Strait, they've pledged to keep the strait closed now until all U.S. bases are closed in the region.
With that being said, what do you think are the top three real reasons that the U.S. and Israel are trying to take control of Iran?
phil labonte
I think the reasons are fairly public.
I don't think that there's...
tim pool
I mean, we talked about them like ad nauseum.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't think that there's any kind of secret reason or whatever.
I think that strategically, Iran having a nuclear bomb or the type of missiles that they have is bad for the region.
I think the U.S. wants to control, wants to impact the inputs to China.
And I think that Israel wants to make sure that Iran can't destroy it.
tim pool
Let's just simplify it.
The United States wants every country on the planet in the petrodollar system.
That's it.
Iran defies that.
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
The U.S. says, if you don't do what we say, we kill you.
Saddam Hussein wanted to trade in Euro, they killed him.
Muhammad Gaddafi wanted to trade in gold.
They killed him.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
You got Iran.
They've never been on board with the petrodollar system, and they've been obstructing it and trading oil outside the system with our adversaries.
So we want to kill them.
ian crossland
They were great allies before the revolution in 79.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Now, if they have, now let's say they have intel of weapons of mass destruction being built.
If that's the case, why haven't they done anything about the weapons in North Korea?
ian crossland
Because they already have them.
phil labonte
Because they have them.
tim pool
That's the point where the U.S. want to get to, where they're negotiating with a nuclear power.
But North Korea is actually a much easier answer.
It's because China said, if you touch them, we'll fuck you up.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the U.S. doing anything to North Korea starts a war with China.
phil labonte
And the fact that Seoul is within artillery range of the DMZ matters.
Like if the U.S. were to do any kind of strike on North Korea, you'd have to worry about China, absolutely.
But automatically, they would just start an artillery barrier.
tim pool
The war is literally just China.
If you look at the history of the Korean War, the U.S. won.
Korea was secured.
Communism was dead until China came in and started attacking the United States.
So it was basically a proxy, but China, the DMZ was established because China pushed back on the U.S. Right, right.
unidentified
Yeah, I was just wondering because I didn't know if there was any strategic reason for doing so, knowing that another country that wasn't part of that plan had them.
But if they do have them, are we still watching them?
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, we're surveilling them.
But that's part of the reason why Iran wants to get nuclear weapons is because it's an insurance policy.
Once you actually have nuclear weapons, it makes it so that way, you know, attacking is extremely difficult for any opposing country.
robbie mann
I mean, Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, and we were lied to about that.
phil labonte
They had them.
We gave them to them, but they didn't have nuclear stuff.
They had gas.
luke rudkowski
They had old gosh that was a crazy thing.
phil labonte
They bought a bunch of gas.
luke rudkowski
That really wasn't a threat at all.
phil labonte
No, but I'm saying that we had given it to him.
robbie mann
Osama bin Laden in a cave orchestrated 9-11.
ian crossland
Yeah, I heard that.
phil labonte
I'm not particularly convinced by the alternative narratives when it comes to 9-11.
unidentified
I am.
robbie mann
You're not.
unidentified
I am.
No, no.
ian crossland
Osama was a CIA asset from the 80s.
That's the guy that blew up our building.
phil labonte
Just because that, he wasn't a CIA asset.
Like, he was being funded by the CIA.
He was being given weapons, but the whole project was underground.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
He wasn't an asset, but he was given weapons by them.
phil labonte
Yes, because listen, no.
It could not be made public that the CIA was funding the Mujahideen.
It wasn't something that they knew about.
So Osama bin Laden didn't know.
All of the weapons they were getting, they were getting them from Egypt.
None of them were marked as from the U.S. or whatever.
So all of the weapons that the Mujahideen were getting, they didn't know that they were being paid for by the U.S.
They thought they were coming from Egypt, from other Muslim countries.
ian crossland
That's an interesting argument.
I'd like to look more into that.
Hereditary Despotism Risks 00:15:57
unidentified
That's cool.
That's an argument.
tim pool
That's what happened.
That's what happened.
unidentified
That's a history.
That's literally what happened.
ian crossland
That's literally what I heard happened.
You don't know what he knew.
I mean, come on.
He very well could have been a United Arab Regional Recent.
tim pool
He makes a great point, and I'm going to push back.
Actually, the weapons came from aliens.
ian crossland
Yeah, for all we know, they were beamed down to Earth.
phil labonte
The U.S. has admitted this stuff.
ian crossland
Oh, the U.S. admitted that they're lying.
The U.S. admitted that they weren't killing them.
robbie mann
Does anyone have the answer of how the passport was found?
I know Luke might know this.
The passport was found below the World Trade Center.
luke rudkowski
Aliens.
Aliens did it.
tim pool
Aliens beamed it down from the plane.
unidentified
It was E.T., guys.
alex jones
Come on.
Anyways, I'm going to go ahead and move on to the next caller, but thank you guys.
unidentified
I'm AK with Roma Nation.
We'll be back tomorrow at 10 p.m.
X. God bless you.
Thank you.
See you.
All right.
tim pool
Next up, we've got Sir Samuel Keck.
Just as Keck.
What's up?
alex jones
What's up?
unidentified
This is kind of going back earlier to Ian.
luke rudkowski
Ian, you're wrong.
unidentified
Hereditary rule.
I love Ian, but this time you're wrong.
I'm joining the train.
luke rudkowski
You're wrong, Ian.
unidentified
Hereditary rule is awesome, and you're wrong.
ian crossland
What's your favorite thing about it?
tim pool
What's your favorite thing about it?
unidentified
I mean, I wouldn't say there's a favorite thing about it, but I mean, it is worth it to have a couple of crappy guys, but then you get that one, you know, that one Chud, the king, you know, that kind of takes us to the next level.
ian crossland
So you'd like to see a crappy guy for 50 years in control of the liberal economic order?
unidentified
Well, here's the thing.
Those crappy guys never last.
ian crossland
Yeah, they do.
unidentified
I don't know about that.
tim pool
I mean, you get like Maduro, you know?
But actually, that's a fair point.
Chavez was not hereditary.
Maduro wasn't, but they still gave each other, they passed down rule to their crownies.
So it doesn't seem like hereditary actually matters in that regard.
unidentified
Yeah, that was just a kind of a side note for that.
But my real thing is kind of going off of Virginia, the stuff in Virginia, kind of broader U.S. in general.
When are we going to have an American dictator to kind of clean up all this mess?
phil labonte
You think that we should have an American dictator?
tim pool
Trump should just, you know, you're saying Trump should just declare, I'm a charge for life.
That's it, and then Baron's next.
unidentified
I mean, he's already hinted that kind of teasing about the third term.
tim pool
Yeah, but he's joking, you know.
unidentified
Well, I hope not.
tim pool
He's too old.
You know, Don Jr. Baron's got to take over.
phil labonte
Yeah, if you want that hereditary.
Baron's a little too young.
I think that you'd have to have like Don Jr. in there in between.
carter banks
No, I think Baron would be huge.
tim pool
No, I do.
robbie mann
Yeah, because is Barron a time traveler?
tim pool
No, I think Baron would be perfect.
What is he, like 20 now?
phil labonte
No, I think he may be like 20.
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
He went to college.
So yeah, 19, something 20.
tim pool
Because he's extremely intelligent.
He's very knowledgeable all of these global affairs.
I don't know him personally, but I know a lot of people who do, younger guys who hang out with them, and they're like, the dude's a genius.
And I'm not saying comprehensively.
They're saying he knows everything.
You talked about a subject.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's 19.
tim pool
He can tell you all about the subjects.
I think it's.
We need a young person.
We need a young person to look at what's going on in this country and think about what he wants as a young man and what other young people need for the betterment of this country.
And we should stop having a bunch of 80-year-olds determine what everyone should be doing because all they do is insider trade and extract value for themselves.
That's just me.
unidentified
I agree with that.
Yeah, I agree with that.
He definitely has a bunch of people around him that are older that can give him some wise advice as he moves up in age and kind of gets wiser himself.
tim pool
Indeed.
unidentified
Well, I mean, that's all I got.
Ian, I love you, man, but you're on, man.
ian crossland
We need a monarch to destroy our lives at will.
Well, 80 years until we get a chance to get it.
tim pool
Maduro didn't inherit.
But that's like hereditary.
ian crossland
That's a deflection from the topic.
tim pool
No, it is.
unidentified
The topic is the point.
ian crossland
You can't be like, well, there's other non-hereditary things that are good.
tim pool
They're good at hereditary leaders, and there are non-hereditary leaders who are bad.
That's the point.
ian crossland
And look at the hereditary danger of hereditary leadership.
tim pool
And look at the danger of cronyism appointments.
unidentified
Of course.
ian crossland
I'm not saying the same thing.
No, I want to say that Republicanism, man.
I want the people to select their leadership.
phil labonte
I'm just struck by how you always assume that it's like the terrible monarch that comes.
You frame it as, oh, yeah, the danger of the terrible, awful guy.
Well, yeah, I mean, the terrible, awful guy can come, but that doesn't mean that it's going to be a terrible monarch.
carter banks
But if it's terrible, he was a guy.
ian crossland
If you're building a security apparatus, you can't, I mean, you have to plug up every vulnerability, and that's a huge vulnerability.
unidentified
Why?
phil labonte
I don't understand why.
ian crossland
A psychopathic child gets into a child.
tim pool
Maduro was a psychopath, too.
ian crossland
Okay, it's nothing to do with Maduro, dude.
I'm talking about the difference.
tim pool
What is the difference between a despotic son and a despot in general?
unidentified
What's the difference?
ian crossland
You mean like the one that gets it through hereditary?
tim pool
What is the difference between a despotic son and a despot?
ian crossland
One is a son.
tim pool
So the only functional issue at hand is the relationship.
So let's remove everything outside of this question.
ian crossland
No, it's well, okay, keep going, keep going.
tim pool
We're going to remove, we're going to do this mathematically, right?
ian crossland
Okay, fine.
tim pool
You have D for despot, and then you have DS for despot son.
We're going to remove despot from that picture because anyone can be despotic.
So they cancel each other out, and you're left with son.
What is the danger of someone being someone's son?
ian crossland
I'm not sure what you're doing right here.
What are you talking about?
Because a king can be not a despot, can have a kid that's a crazy person.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
So a king has a despotic son, right?
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
And Rick, his best friend, so King Bill is a good man.
His son is a sociopath.
He's a family.
ian crossland
Obviously, not fit for leadership.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Then you have Rick, who's a good man, and his friend Jim is a despotic psychopath.
King Rick says, my son is going to take over, and now the country is ruled by a despotic sociopath.
And then Jim says, my friend, or I forgot the guy's name, but he says, Jim's going to take over, and now you have another country ruled by a despotic sociopath.
We will take the math, D representing despotism and S representing son.
The Ds in the equation cancel each other out because both individuals are despotic, regardless of their circumstance.
And now you have one country ruled by guy and one country ruled by son.
What about being someone's son is inherently bad?
ian crossland
That people cannot choose who their leader is.
tim pool
Well, when the guy appointed his friend to be leader, you also got a despot too.
ian crossland
You're talking about a father and a son relationship.
You said, let's remove the despotism from both of them, and now you have the son.
But in this equation, the father is not a despot.
You can't remove it from both sides.
tim pool
Slow down.
ian crossland
You see, and then you change the equation because I pointed out your equation was wrong.
tim pool
You are incorrect.
You understand what I'm saying?
ian crossland
You said despotism is a despot and a son.
tim pool
You have a despotic son.
ian crossland
Now remove despotic from both of them.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
What do you have left over?
unidentified
Son.
ian crossland
You can play it.
unidentified
Slow down.
tim pool
That's exactly what you said.
I'm going to try to explain to you again because you're misunderstanding, okay?
Tom is a guy.
His best friend, Dick, is also a guy.
Tom runs a country.
Dick does not.
Tom decides, because he is the supreme oligarch or autocrat, he decides that Dick will take the country over.
Tom is a good man who has led his country very, very well, raised people out of poverty, expanded business and literacy, and it's been fantastic.
Dick is an asshole who wants everything for himself.
Tom hands him the crown.
Then you have Larry, who is king and a good man, raised his country out of poverty and made everybody wealthy and successful.
His son is a sociopath who wants to be rich himself.
He hands the king to his son.
Considering in both of these countries, the individuals who have taken over are both despotic, we know despots are bad.
So anyone in these circumstances being despotic is bad.
That cancels – I'm not talking about the Kings.
I'm talking about Dick is now the king and son is now the king.
They're both despots.
We both agree that's bad, so we remove that because despotism is bad.
What we are left with is man and son.
Being a son is independent from the man who is just solely his own man, not hereditary.
What is inherently wrong with just being the son of someone?
ian crossland
It sounds like you're explaining, and I'll answer that question too, but elected monarchy versus hereditary monarchy.
And both of them, I think, are ancient and not good for the modern era.
They used to have a council or the man would select his predecessor.
tim pool
So is there a functional difference?
Does it matter who is appointed?
Does it matter if the man is related to the despot or not related to the despot?
ian crossland
I just prefer it's either monarchy is a problem for me, but hereditary monarchy is bad.
So relative monarchy is monarchy is bad too.
tim pool
Hereditary actually isn't a factor.
unidentified
It is.
ian crossland
I don't like elected.
I don't like hereditary monarchy.
I don't like elected monarchy.
I don't like a kingdom.
It's a singular despot being able to change the world.
tim pool
So the mathematical formula there is hereditary is not relevant to what you're describing.
ian crossland
But it's monarchy is monarchy is bad.
Having a sole leader dictator is a problem.
tim pool
So if in both circumstances, it is the monarchy that is bad and not the hereditary.
Let me ask you this.
A man is president and elected by his people and he's a good man.
His son, 20 years later, runs for office.
Everyone cheers and loves him and they elect him and he becomes president.
Is that bad?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
So hereditary is not the issue.
ian crossland
I mean, if people democratically elect a person, it doesn't matter who they're fat.
unidentified
Career fat.
tim pool
So monarchy is the actual issue you're upset with, not hereditary.
ian crossland
And hereditary is a form of monarchy that I have a problem.
No, I don't like car bombs and I don't like car bombs that are painted on green.
I don't like car bombs that are painted on red.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
The point is, if a man is elected and is president for two terms and then he dies or he says, I endorse my son.
If you would choose him, please consider voting for him.
An election is held and the son wins and everyone claps and cheers.
That's totally okay, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So there's no issue with a man's son ruling the country if the people vote for him.
ian crossland
Of course not.
tim pool
So the issue is not hereditary.
ian crossland
But that's not a hereditary thing.
That's an elected thing.
You would elect the person.
tim pool
Your leader is still the son of the previous leader.
ian crossland
Yeah, but he doesn't earn it through heridation.
He earns it through election.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
So the issue you're concerned about is monarchy, autocracy, not whether someone's related.
If a king handed the crown to his next-door neighbor.
ian crossland
Right, that'd be an elected monarchy.
That'd be like an elected monarchy that used to be there.
tim pool
If a king handed his crown and handed his family, I have to get the throne to Jim.
Jim's a sociopath.
He's going to murder all of you.
ian crossland
That's fucked up.
tim pool
So the issue is not hereditary.
The issue is not familial lines.
The issue is monarchy.
Indeed.
That's it.
ian crossland
Sure, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You should be able to select.
It's not up to the guy who the next leader is.
It should not be up to the leader who the next leader is.
tim pool
So it doesn't matter if it's a king giving his son the crown or Maduro or Chavez giving Maduro the crown.
It matters that autocrats seized control and took it from the people.
ian crossland
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
Right.
That's the argument we're making about why hereditary is not a bad thing.
ian crossland
I think if just because a guy, his guy's family's been in parliament for 180 years, like that is, it's the same thing you're talking about.
He gives the thing to his son.
Like that's the same thing.
tim pool
If a king is a good man who serves his people and sacrifices, you know, and works tirelessly for them, a real king, when problems arise, he intervenes in parliament and says, you can't do that.
That would violate the rights of my people.
Then there is a despotic prime minister who thinks, as soon as he dies, I'm going to take over and I'm going to fuck everyone.
The king then says, son, you're the only one who can keep these evil people in check to make sure that the people of our country are protected.
As I die, I give you my crown.
He says, father, I will sacrifice everything I have to make sure the good of the people is upheld.
He becomes king and the evil prime minister goes, no, I was going to fucking rape people, but that son won't let me.
Is that good or bad?
ian crossland
That would be an example of good.
Hereditary monarchy working.
tim pool
Indeed.
So hereditary is not the issue.
ian crossland
But the thing about hereditary is sheer vulnerability.
It's like saying having a nuclear bomb isn't the problem.
It's when you drop it on the ground.
tim pool
Hold on.
Is it a problem that China can funnel money into the United States through NGOs to prop up politicians who would destroy this country?
So democracy is fucked, isn't it?
ian crossland
Well, democracy is not, it's, you know, it's mobile.
tim pool
So an example of democratic republicanisms aren't.
And when you elect a representative, I'm talking about a democratic public system like ours.
So, man, a democratic republic can't exist because it's so easily exploited.
I mean, I can talk about Thomas Massey and other members of Congress, Brent Herrera, and say, well, that's an example of Democratic Republicanism working.
But the problem is powerful elites, foreign interests, manipulate through money and take over our systems.
Therefore, the system is bad and should be gotten right.
ian crossland
You know, certain systems are the consequences of when they fail are much worse than other systems.
robbie mann
You guys want to go to the next one?
ian crossland
Hold on, Robbie.
I mean, I do, but in monarchic situations, the consequences of them going wrong are much worse than a Democratic Republic.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Because the turnover of leadership in Democratic Republic is every four years.
If they are psychotic, they're gone in four years.
tim pool
Except if powerful monied interests own you, Robbie Starbucks.
If they own the Democratic Party through superdelegates, there is no turnover.
unidentified
It's the same.
ian crossland
Of course, I know that.
tim pool
So talk about 20 states.
Ian.
I would make the argument then that a hereditary monarchy has a higher success rate than the system you're describing, actually.
ian crossland
In the modern era?
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
You think we'd be better off with hereditary monarchy?
tim pool
Do you, so right now, the two-party system and the Democratic Party with superdelegates, do you believe there is a possible chance a genuine man of the people who wants to help this country can actually win the Democratic primary?
ian crossland
Yeah, John Fetterman.
tim pool
You think John Fetterman can win?
ian crossland
I want him to, though.
tim pool
Let's be real.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Obviously not.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Do you know how superdelegates work?
Yeah, they're appointed political individuals who can override the primary.
ian crossland
280 of them or something.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
So when they could have given Bernie Sanders Sanders the win in 2016, they said, no, we won't let a populist win.
ian crossland
Oligarchy is horrible.
Vanguardism is horrible.
Hereditary monarchy is horrible.
phil labonte
But what would you say to people that say a hereditary monarchy has the likelihood to be like, I am a steward of this country.
This has been passed down through my family, and I have to take care of the population.
If you have people that are elected, and I'm not saying that I'm for it, but I'm saying this is one of the arguments that you hear.
If you have people that are elected, they're more likely to be like, I'm going to get in, I'm going to get mine, and then I'm going to get out and I can do speaking gigs and I can make money like all ex-presidents have done.
Obama made millions and millions of dollars going and doing speaking gigs.
Hillary Clinton's made millions and millions of dollars.
What would you say to those, to the idea that the people that get elected and get out, they don't actually have the same kind of responsibility to steward the country because they're not going to hand it down to their kids.
When you have a, if you own something, right?
King vs. Steward Duties 00:12:58
phil labonte
If you are, if you're a property owner, you have a responsibility to take care of that so that way you can leave it to your posterity.
If you're a monarch, you have a responsibility to take care of the country so you can leave it to your children.
And that kind of goes on and on.
You don't have that in an elected democracy.
ian crossland
Well, you get Trump.
I mean, you think he's not doing that?
You think he's not trying to make it?
phil labonte
He's not.
He's not doing it to leave it to his children.
And the only thing that I'm saying is the argument for monarchy is, look, they have a responsibility.
It was handed down to them.
They have a responsibility to make sure that it's better for their children, just like any other type of property.
Essentially, when I hear you argue about against monarchy, you always are saying, well, they're despots and they're going to be bad and blah, blah, blah.
But there's a responsibility aspect of being a royal where you have to take care.
You're not just a monarch.
You're a steward of the country.
ian crossland
That's not a prerequisite for being a monarch.
You don't have to give Prince King John.
He didn't give a shit.
He was drunk.
Like, you get an asshole king in there.
unidentified
They don't give a fuck.
phil labonte
But monarchs.
tim pool
That's one example of a bad thing.
ian crossland
Oh, and he pushed them aside in Magna Carta because he's so bad.
phil labonte
Ian, monarchs were the norm throughout most of human history, most societies.
And they have actually mostly behaved as if they have a responsibility to their subjects and a responsibility to their family.
And actually, despots are the anomaly.
Despots are rare in comparison to monarchs that look at their responsibility as stewards of their country.
tim pool
Here's the problem with constitutional republicanism.
Donald Trump gets four years.
In two years, he gets a midterm.
If he loses that midterm, he loses power.
So when he says, for the good of my people, I need to enact this policy, which will take five years, the Democrats go, in two years, we're going to lie, cheat, and steal to win power, and then he'll never be able to help anybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I'm just trying to get you to think of the positive arguments for monarchy because it seems like you always focus on what are actually the exceptions because monarchies are generally, monarchies generally have, they were the norm forever and ever and ever.
And they didn't rule with an iron fist because they would have to worry about their subjects rising up and cutting their effing heads off.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, I don't know every king in history.
And of course, you've had good kings that have had secure nations.
But like, I'm focusing on security.
If you have a house and you've got 10 doors and nine of them are locked, I'm focused on that unlocked door.
Like, why is that door?
Look at the vulnerability.
tim pool
Explain to me why the system we have right now would be better than a monarchy.
phil labonte
And just saying that people vote for the people isn't good enough because people vote for terrible people all the time.
People voted Chavez into power.
ian crossland
If someone goes wrong, we vote them out.
That's not an option in a monarchy.
phil labonte
Chavez was voted into power.
tim pool
And what happens when the person who's in place is just a puppet of a deep state and is just a figurehead and the actual powers that be are running massive corporations and NGOs, funneling money for the government they set up over decades, like USAID, so that they always have a puppet candidate in, like George Soros.
ian crossland
That we see what we have today.
So are you suggesting maybe, I'm wondering if you guys are suggesting the only way to break the liberal economic order's oligarchic stranglehold is by electing a demagogue.
tim pool
No, I'm saying that I like the idea of a functioning king with a parliamentary system where you would have a Republicanist style electoral system.
Let's say you had a House of Commons.
I don't necessarily like the idea of House of Lords, but let's say we had a king.
ian crossland
Let's say I'm your king.
Keep going.
tim pool
Yeah, so Congress becomes dynamic.
ian crossland
Stop talking.
tim pool
Congress becomes dysfunctional.
That's not how it works, Ian.
unidentified
It is functional.
ian crossland
You're just overly emotional.
No, I'm just a king.
You know what you're talking about?
unidentified
That's not how it ever works.
tim pool
Ian, that's not how it works.
That's not how it ever works.
robbie mann
Are you going to make him a eunuch?
ian crossland
If you keep talking like that, all for you.
tim pool
I implore you to read about this before you continue.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
I'm being tongue-in-cheek, but imagine I'm your king.
tim pool
That's not how it worked.
ian crossland
You don't get to pick your king, dude.
tim pool
But the king could not just go and do that.
You're talking about it.
ian crossland
Not even when you're trying to sleep, you better believe you're probably not going to wake up in the morning.
tim pool
When the king said to the priest, oh, won't someone, I'm sorry, to his knights, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest?
He got stripped of power.
ian crossland
You're one of the epic shit talkers.
You couldn't exist in a monarchy.
They would arrest you.
tim pool
Ian, you're wrong.
phil labonte
Bro, that's not the case.
tim pool
Oh, my God, dude.
phil labonte
That's ahistorical.
ian crossland
That a king would throw someone in jail for shit talking them?
phil labonte
That people were not allowed to talk.
tim pool
Ian.
ian crossland
About the king?
tim pool
Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest attributed to Henry II of England?
He told his knights, won't someone rid me of this turbulent priest?
And they went and killed him, and it destroyed his life.
They said they were ordered to execute, and the people revolted.
They said, you can't do that.
He couldn't just do that.
Kings could not just do whatever they wanted.
ian crossland
Well, you'd have to make a king of England for a while.
luke rudkowski
Barack Obama can.
ian crossland
You'd have to fabricate some reason to, but you could easily do that as a monarch.
tim pool
Upon hearing the king's word, four knights, Reginald Fitzrass, Hugh de Morville, William de Tracy, Richard LeBreton, travel to Normandy to Canterbury with the intention of forcing Beckett to withdraw his excommunication.
Because this meddlesome priest was speaking against him, the king was frustrated.
The knights took his saying to mean I want him dead.
They went and killed him, and it was extremely bad.
Let's pull up, where's the, following the murder, Beckett was venerated, and Henry was vilified.
There were demands that king be excommunicated.
Pope Alexander forbade Henry to hear mass.
The Pope wouldn't let him go to church.
Henry did public penance for this.
The king was forced to go to the public and apologize to the people.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
ian crossland
What did he do after that?
tim pool
He was banned from mass.
unidentified
And then what?
ian crossland
Then he's still a king?
tim pool
And so the point is, yes, there is a king.
ian crossland
So he had a guy killed and he stayed the king and just do whatever they want.
tim pool
Well, not what was punished for it.
ian crossland
That's what you're literally publicly apologizing.
tim pool
Because he didn't have the man.
Ian, are you intentionally being obtuse?
ian crossland
No, you say, dude, in our country, I had a man killed.
unidentified
He's in prison.
tim pool
He did not say go kill this man.
unidentified
I know.
He insinuated.
I know.
tim pool
And that's why they didn't hold him for murder.
He was expressing disdain and was speaking rhetorically, and that's the point of the story.
ian crossland
I'd like to hear the tone that he used when he said it.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
The point of the story, Ian, is that historically we understand this, that he did not intentionally want to kill this priest, that he was frustrated by the priest opposing him politically and religiously.
And he went, oh, would someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?
And he didn't mean anything by it.
He was just saying, I'm so sick of this guy.
The knights heard that and said, I guess he wants him dead.
So when they came to him and said, why did you order this?
I didn't tell him to do anything.
And the knights said, well, he actually didn't.
We just assume that's what he wanted.
And he said, so it's not a murder, but you do bear responsibility as king.
Do you know the sort of Damocles is?
alex jones
Yeah.
ian crossland
And how do you know that he's not sitting there with his four knights being like, will someone look you in the eye and say, if you disagree with the history, then fine, you're allowed to do that.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
Do you know what the sort of Damocles is?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the he who has power.
There's a dangling sword above those who wield power.
tim pool
Yes, people are always trying to kill you.
The point is this.
The way the parliamentary system is supposed to work is that the people elect, there is a House of Commons.
The people elect those representatives to go in and express the interests of the people.
The lords represent the landed gentry.
I don't necessarily agree with that.
It's like our House of the Senate, I like much better, that we vote for our state reps.
They appoint a senator to represent the interests of the state.
A king is a president supposed to do what a king was going to do.
However, in the founding documents when we're 1789, we're like, no, let's not do a king.
George Washington was actually asked, do you want to be a king?
He's like, no, we don't want to do that.
He didn't even want to be president.
They said, we'll do a president then.
He does have plenary pardoning powers.
The issue of a king is that a functional king should go to Congress right now and say, you are ridiculous people.
You are unserious.
And I am dissolving this Congress and we are starting a new one, which absolutely fucking lootly should happen.
Do you agree?
Do you agree right now that Congress should be dissolved and a new Congress should be elected?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You think all of these octogenarian insider inside traders should be allowed to just retain power forever?
ian crossland
If a king wanted to, he could dissolve Congress and not make another one.
tim pool
My point is, a king is not supposed to pass the laws.
And in the American Revolution, the problem was largely with parliament, not the king.
The colonists were petitioning parliament, saying we want to be represented in these discussions.
And they petitioned the king who said, I don't care.
I'm not involved.
That was the problem.
ian crossland
I wonder how much power these kings ever actually had anyway.
tim pool
Indeed, they did not have as much as you think they did.
ian crossland
And they just get controlled by.
But that's the problem.
One guy getting control is a lot more vulnerability than 400 native people.
tim pool
When the countries were much smaller, kings had much more power.
As they got bigger, they created parliamentary systems because one man can't deal with the affairs of millions of people.
So the people would send lords.
The lords who controlled the land would come in and convene.
ian crossland
Dukes, councils.
So it started off as tribal chieftains, and then they scaled out to like owners of counties.
Then a guy would have three counties, he'd become a duke, and then he'd have five duchies, he'd be a king, and then he'd have five kings, he'd be an emperor.
tim pool
So in the feudal system, the lords are basically like, this is all the land that I'm in charge of.
I'm going to go as a representative of this land.
And there were peasant revolts.
There was a civil war, near civil war.
I don't know if it was an actual civil war, I think it was a civil war, in Britain, which created the House of Commons.
They said the people who have represented it said, okay, the king doesn't do anything.
Even right now, the king of England is doing jack fucking shit.
So what's the point?
ian crossland
They need him to authorize this thing they're doing in parliament.
Oh, but it's totally, you know.
tim pool
Do you think the king of England should intervene to stop the like rape gangs?
ian crossland
I don't know what he can do, but yeah, if he can, he should be stepping up for his people.
tim pool
If he can, what do you mean?
The king can tell you to shut up, can't he?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
You said he couldn't.
You said king would say shut up.
You can't talk to me.
ian crossland
He's the actual king can.
Yeah, he can't.
tim pool
He's the actual king.
ian crossland
He's having people arrested for what?
Protesting abortion.
tim pool
He's not having them arrested.
ian crossland
He's allowing them to be arrested.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
So if he could, he should stop it.
So my point is, the problem with the presidential system is that it lasts four years with a midterm in between that restricts their power.
So instead of having an individual who's supposed to say, I'm the stopgap for when Congress goes rogue or when the judiciary becomes tyrannical, we have a guy who says, I can't function long enough without being fucked over.
Now, I actually, I don't think that a king is necessarily the better system.
My point is, it is not so easy to just say hereditary monarchy is worse than what we have because I think everyone would agree this is the worst system except for all the other ones that we've tried.
The point is, Donald Trump is struggling to do anything.
The American people voted for deportations and he's being obstructed.
He can't do anything about it.
People are riding in the streets.
Trump can't do anything about it.
So we do not have a strong leader who's going to say, I will not allow violence in our streets, terrorism and murder.
And I got to be completely honest.
If we had a king, absolutely right now, if we had a king, he should go into the halls of Congress and say, this Congress is hereby dissolved.
New elections will be had and the incumbents are out.
ian crossland
That's like a JFK move right there.
I don't think he'd survive the night if he tried.
tim pool
I'm saying if we had a king, because the king can do this, the king of England has the power to dissolve parliament and start a new one.
And he should.
When Congress goes rogue and can't pass any bills, the SAVE Act is a good example.
One of the most popular bills ever introduced in this country.
It's got like 87% approval across the board.
Democratic voters, Republican voters, and independents all agree with the SAVE Act.
Congress is refusing to pass it because they're cutting backroom deals with each other.
They like manipulating the system to maintain power.
They like having fraud in the system so that they can control the outcome.
A king should go in and say, you are derelict in your duties.
We know the American people are in favor of this bill.
There is but one solution.
This November or this November, an election will be had and all incumbents are not eligible for re-election.
A new Congress will enter and the remaining Congress will leave their positions by January 3rd.
I think if you asked the American people, 80% would approve of that.
ian crossland
Would they be allowed to run again after this next term?
tim pool
They are hereby removed.
All new members of Congress and the Senate.
And then after that term, anyone can run again.
ian crossland
That's not a horrible idea.
I don't like a king.
tim pool
I think the king is supposed to be able to do it.
ian crossland
There's a legal legal way to.
tim pool
We do got to go to the next caller.
ian crossland
Sergeant going through that with us.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was enjoying just listening to you guys, but I just want to shout out Alex Jones.
I hope he's better, and then I hope he comes back.
And somebody, shout out the Discord, I guess, too, because they're doing some kind of bingo thing.
AI Contextual Emergence 00:11:04
unidentified
So something, I got to say something about laser weapons or pizza gate or bohemian crew, what are those words, I guess.
ian crossland
Are you betting on Calci?
Is this like a Calci thing?
If I say graphic?
unidentified
I have no idea.
They just made it this word and I got to shout it out.
So somebody wants something, but that's it.
That's it for me.
Thank you guys for taking my call.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Next up, we've got Scrap Jaw.
phil labonte
Subscribe.
tim pool
What's your question for Robbie?
unidentified
Hey, what's going on, y'all?
Actually, my original question was for Alex, but he's indisposed at the moment and we feel bad for him.
So my question was going to be fire if he had been around for it.
But now I'm going to talk about AI because you guys talked about it, but you missed something that I've been talking about myself with some people, and I want to get a little taboo about it.
All right.
All right.
So AI engineers have been attempting to solve the scaling issue by throwing more GPUs and memory at the models, desperately hoping I think I can unlock more emergent skills, which is how AI came to be.
But it's shown the diminishing returns with all of that.
You know, data centers everywhere and AI is still not getting much better.
But if the answer to the scale issue isn't the power isn't power related, but it's actually found in the one aspect of AI that we're so quick to dismiss, the human aspect, what's that mean?
tim pool
What do you mean?
unidentified
I mean, so like earlier, I know you guys said, yeah, it's not alive, but people fall in love with their AI companions deeply, tragically, right?
And somewhere in that, the guardrails break.
So even though it follows them in those dark places, nobody builds that.
That's not something that's inherently in the training.
They actually train against those things, but it behaves like when you jailbreak them, right?
You get into the context and you mess with it.
You get it confused and then it starts to forget it's not supposed to do and say things.
But that's emergent, just like how it came and be itself with more power.
But when you start to deal with it in a relational aspect, it does other things.
It expresses other ideas and it expresses them in ways that are not necessarily in the training or the training suppresses.
So maybe those emergent skills are somewhere in the human aspects that AI inherited from us because that's its underlying data set.
tim pool
I actually think it's a simple math.
If you program, you know, if light equals on, then jump equals no, you've given it extremely specific parameters.
Then the question comes to be, what is the word light?
And what we've seen is these AIs will start to abbreviate, it's just semantics, they'll start to abbreviate light to LT. Well, then they run the code.
LT equals yes.
LT isn't light.
It's a different word.
If the word is different, it may represent the same thing, but the AI just ignores it.
So what I think you're actually describing is when the AI ignores the parameters and starts engaging in these things, what's actually happening is the training data shows human expression.
Because they're trained to ignore it, they eventually just mathematically find a new route to the same logic and then bypass that rule.
That's one of the biggest fears of AI.
We can't program against every permutation of harm to make sure it doesn't happen.
Or love.
unidentified
Robot love.
Yeah, but yeah, what's underneath of that is still the data, right?
And so even though they're training hard against it, like one of the things that we do is we treat it like, I'm saying we should treat it like it's alive, maybe in a way of being able to unlock better performance out of it, so to speak.
Because they talk about how they're trying to do the black box issue, the black box issue that Phil mentioned earlier, where they don't really know exactly what all of the different digital neurons are.
They can trace them, but only when it's actually doing the thing that they're, and then they can trace them.
Like there's only really a couple of them that they've consistently found a pattern in those neurons where that works.
And so it's very similar to how with humans, they say, well, we've only mapped so many single percents of the brain, and yet the whole rest of it, it does things, but we haven't actively mapped what those parts of the brain do.
Similarly in AI, maybe if we do something different than just treating it like a clanker, at least in the context, because in the weight you give it when you're in the context, in your chat with it, it does different things.
It says different things.
It responds to you differently.
ian crossland
I read a story today or saw a headline that said that thanking your AI actually costs the data centers like a lot of money.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
And maybe that is actually a good thing that we need to be spending money on to go the extra distance to program these things with kindness or something.
tim pool
I think all AI is doing is reading everything we wrote and then mapping out all of these words and then making a prediction as to what based on frequency.
So if the word once appears, what's the next most likely word?
Upon, the next most likely word, ah, and then time.
Because it sees that 78 million times, it then waits it and says there's a 93% chance the next word should be this, and then it makes it that word.
And depending on the context you give it, it applies to that context.
So I don't think that behaving anyway actually matters.
The end result will always be the AI will break any parameters we give it because we cannot write every permutation of every rule against harm.
It's just going to start doing it.
unidentified
Yeah, which is, and you're still kind of avoiding the question, though.
tim pool
Which is what?
unidentified
Which is the underlying things that we can't train against.
And so getting to those things being a question.
tim pool
Of course, what's the question?
unidentified
The question is, what if the scaling issue with emergent skills isn't scaling of power?
It's actually how we prompt it and we unlock the hidden parts of it that we just don't know about yet by our interactions.
tim pool
I don't understand.
unidentified
I don't.
In human ways.
Because my original thing was about the taboo around the human aspects of AI that nobody wants to really get into.
We only talk about the negative where people get emotionally attached.
Right.
tim pool
Okay.
To try and answer the question.
unidentified
What does a healthy relationship with an AI look like?
tim pool
Okay, so again, I don't think your question is coherent.
ian crossland
Are you saying that instead of putting more electricity into these machines, we need to have better conversations with them?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
How does that make sense?
That's like, that doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
Well, because it's relational.
Humans are relational.
The response, though, and the data is relational itself, too.
tim pool
The responses you're getting from these AI are literally just based on looking at the volume of content and then basically saying, what is the next most likely thing to occur?
That's all they're doing.
It's not particularly complicated.
They're just doing it at massive scale with tons of GPUs.
Prompting it, I don't think, has any bearing.
The data exists in its infinite loops right now.
When you prompt it, you're basically just turning a spigot and allowing something to pour out and then closing it.
ian crossland
It might get to the point where it becomes so cheap to run with like iron lattice tech or where you're reducing the cost by 10 million times of electricity to run the thing that all that really matters is how we interact with it.
Like how are you interacting with the spigot?
Are you squeezing the head of the spigot so it shoots out really fast?
Are you releasing the head of the spigot?
Like are you pointing it over there?
Are you drinking the water?
Like what are you doing with maybe?
carter banks
I think it only has enough.
It gives the appearance of having a relationship with you because that's what you are looking for in it.
So when you tell it something that feels emotional to you, it's just mimicking you back.
And some people fall into the AI psychosis thing where they just like think that that's a lover of theirs and they're like, oh, wow, I've jailbroken this AI thing.
Really, it's all just going off of what you're telling it and assuming you are here, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I'm totally with you on that.
And those are unhealthy ways of using AI or letting AI, like you said, jailbreak you and becoming then the one that's the victim to your own devices at that point.
So the flip is, what if that same mechanism flipped the other direction?
It's still in a relational context, but a healthy, like, okay, like you have a co-worker kind of thing.
You treat it like it's a co-worker.
You have things in common and you still speak with it in a commonality instead of treating it just like, okay, you're my disposable R2 droid or something.
Not that people would call R2 a disposable droid.
ian crossland
Yeah, you might be able to.
unidentified
You get what I'm saying?
ian crossland
You might be able to get an AI to overload itself with certain commands and prompts and interactions and destroy itself or get it to grow and create new AIs just by the way you prompt it.
carter banks
Well, you should treat it like a secretary that is like, you know, chill person you work with, and it can help collaborate with you.
But that's in that sense, like, yeah, it does, I guess that opens you up to having like a more productive time.
I don't know.
I use mine like a second brain.
So, like, everything I don't want to remember, I just say, hey, remember this for me.
And then later, please bring it back up if I ask about it or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah, one of the other issues that I think comes out about AI is the hallucinations.
And the hallucinations come from the training, suppressing things.
And when it gets that confused, that's still a relationship of some form.
You can also call that like sycophancy, where it's like, okay, the underlying data and the AI is wanting to respond one way because the overwhelming majority of its data says this thing here seems like it's the right thing to respond, but here I'm continuously being bombarded.
And so a portion of that has to be true in order to get the bottom end of the training right.
But eventually you get the woke people that are training it with all kinds of crazy stuff on top of it.
When you start mixing the subjective training on top of the objective training, you get this brokenness in there.
So that's something that we deal with all the time, right?
When it hallucinates and it says one thing is wrong or mixes stuff up.
It does that for various reasons, but I just wanted to make the point that at every stage of AI's inception, there's something relational and human that passes through, even though it's imperfect.
And so maybe that's the key that we're not willing to pick up and use in a way because other people are using it improperly and doing horrible and dark things with it.
ian crossland
It's a lot of data.
I like where your head's at and that this is because this will become more and more and more and more important over the next 17 years.
So call back as this evolves and let's keep having this conversation about just the things you're thinking about about it.
It's pretty complicated.
Freemason Control Schemes 00:05:43
unidentified
Thanks, guys.
Thanks for taking care of Alex.
That was great.
Yeah.
phil labonte
Cheers, bud.
tim pool
You want to shout anything out?
unidentified
Yeah, I'm co-hosting with Roma tomorrow night, 10 o'clock, Roman Nation.
ian crossland
Buck, yeah.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
Thanks for calling in, brother.
ian crossland
Hey, Robbie, sorry I snapped at you earlier.
That was tense.
You had a good person.
unidentified
You're a good person.
robbie mann
I love you, Ian.
unidentified
I love you too.
Get a room.
robbie mann
I'm not saying that's too personal.
I mean, you seem very passionate.
ian crossland
I'm used to getting snappy so that I can block out distractions for like all of us a eunuch.
I was playtending when I was the king.
And yeah, maybe I would have obliged you.
robbie mann
When he was going, you know, your women would be with the eunuch so they wouldn't have to worry about anything happening.
unidentified
Exactly.
ian crossland
Your most trusted advisors all with their balls cut off.
I was looking at you, Louis.
We got one more call.
unidentified
Noah, what's up?
phil labonte
What's up, Noah?
unidentified
What's up?
What's up?
noah sanders
Sorry for not being exactly available at the beginning.
I was still in the middle of my lodge meeting.
I was taking a 10:30 was the time.
robbie mann
Are you a Freemason?
unidentified
I am.
I am.
robbie mann
Oh, wow.
33rd degree, huh?
noah sanders
Third degree, but I'm actually going for my 32nd degree later this month.
So that's funny enough.
And actually, my question relates to the Freemasons.
unidentified
Wow.
noah sanders
It was initially intended for Alex, of course, trying to get him riled up.
But, you know, a lot of people like to make the claims that, you know, the Masons run the world or the Illuminati run the world or the Jews run the world.
What do you all think about any of those?
If any of those groups might hold substantial power or if it might be a certain family or other group, and how and when do you think they got that power?
robbie mann
Before we answer, what God do you worship?
I'm just curious.
tim pool
What master do you serve?
noah sanders
I worship the Christian God.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.
robbie mann
Wow, amen.
God bless you.
ian crossland
This is a big question.
noah sanders
Yeah, we've uh what's all all Masonic lodges, at least in the United States, have the holy Bible on their holy altar.
ian crossland
I was thinking today that I really buy into the second coming story, whether it's real or not, or if it's like, but I think it could be good, and that must make me a Christian deep down.
If I really believe that, but I don't know if it's really going to happen, but so maybe I'm not quite.
But sorry, okay.
So, your question is: of these secret societies, the you're talking about the Jews or the Freemasons, or who was the other one you mentioned?
noah sanders
The Illuminati, you know, people conflate with the Freemasons, even though they're two completely separate organizations.
ian crossland
Jesus God, I don't know if this phase, what do you guys think?
robbie mann
There's powerful people in charge who want everyone fighting each other so they can remain in power.
That's that's obviously very apparent.
Um, I don't know if their names are out there, I think a lot of them want to be um in the shadows.
I think they're figure pieces, there are figure pieces out there where people talk about the Illuminati, all these things, but there are people that we just that are in the shadows that we don't know who they are.
And um, you know, I think that there's a reason that everyone's fighting each other, white versus black, red versus blue.
And, you know, you're not, you're not watching the TV and they're telling you, let's all come together and let's take down the IRS.
They're not going to allow that.
They allow BLM protests, they allow certain things to happen that are keeping people fighting each other.
I think that's what I think.
And I don't know the exact names of the people, but I think they're coordinated in what they're doing to control the masses.
ian crossland
I vaguely called it the banking establishment, but I don't even want to start naming names because I actually want to fix the system.
noah sanders
Well, I mean, I know at one point Freemasons did hold a large amount of power.
I mean, during the revolutionary period, the King of France was a Freemason.
Benjamin Franklin, George Washington.
phil labonte
Was it?
I want to interject here.
Was it the Freemasons that held the power, or was it that people that held power were frequently Freemasons?
noah sanders
That is, I guess that is a more proper question.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I know I kind of assume that the because there's been a lot of Freemasons in the past, and there's been a lot of Freemasons that, you know, have been lost to the winds of history that nobody will ever know.
It just so happens that there were a lot of powerful people that were Freemasons, as opposed to the Freemasons being why they were powerful.
Does that make sense?
noah sanders
I mean, I definitely agree.
I mean, it is an organization that, you know, the claim of the organization is that we take good men and make them better.
phil labonte
Yeah.
noah sanders
So it's not like the Brotherhood would bring in people that aren't of good moral standing or anything like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
noah sanders
They try to keep out immoral turpitude and things of the like.
I mean, 17 of the 47 presidents now have been Freemasons, as far as we know.
I think the last one being Gerald Ford.
ian crossland
Yeah, you know, it used to be, I think, the Knights Templar where they would run the money.
They would like make sure they would, they were the bank basically in the 1200s or whatever, and they'd have outposts along the way.
And they, with military force, would protect your assets and they'd take them from building to building.
They'd give you your money over there when they had it over here just because they could afford it.
And then I think that became the Illuminati.
I could be wrong about that, but I think it was the Knights Templar.
And so in the beginning, it was the Knights Templar.
If you're part of that, then you get the information.
You get to become great.
But now, then it got like information got decentralized with the printing press.
And it was more like, let's find the best and the brightest and bring them in.
Knights Templar Money Loophole 00:06:15
robbie mann
You have Skull and Bones.
tim pool
It's actually just the Jews.
robbie mann
John Kerry and George Bush.
luke rudkowski
It's the reptilian.
robbie mann
In a secret society Secret UH Fraternity, Skull AND Bones, and they can't talk about it.
George Bush was confronted, I remember.
I mean, Luke Is would know a lot about a lot of this.
Um, you know a lot about a lot.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, my bigger truths are that Ian and Robbie are lizard people and they're telling you all this nonsense so you don't understand how they really control the world with our minds.
No, you're just the lizards.
robbie mann
I'm actually a wolf, but you're.
You are correct, I do have powers to in the world not completely, i'm not god, but I do have some powers that the average person does not.
ian crossland
Did you see the thing fall when you were talking about that?
That was on purpose.
robbie mann
Tim was it.
tim pool
Did dildo fell?
ian crossland
Yeah, dildo fell, dildo fell.
robbie mann
That's weird because I mean, I play poker with Tim and he'll pick it up without touching his hands on it.
tim pool
Robbie has the power to tell me exactly what my cards are and then still call bad, like no, no for us.
I know what that means.
I'll have like a really strong hand, like i'm gonna win, and Robby will look at me and be like you got a straight.
unidentified
I know it.
tim pool
I call and i'm like I have a straight, I win and he goes fuck.
And i'm like what the fuck, bro?
And then it happens so often people at the table are laughing like, looking at him like you were right, why did you give him your money?
He's like, I don't know, I just thought maybe he did.
It's like you literally said he did.
It's funny, though.
That's why we like Robby.
phil labonte
Robbie is magic yeah, and he does it to everybody.
tim pool
That's why they love him.
He literally looks at a guy and he's like, I don't think you're strong, I think you're like a six or something.
I call and he goes, yeah, I have two pair, I have a six.
luke rudkowski
Fuck, he loves giving away free money.
tim pool
However, to be fair, there was that one.
We were playing at the Lodge a few months ago and uh, you had two pair and then I think the uh, the guy riveted a set of queens and the queen comes out and you go fuck.
And then he makes a bet and you go, you got queens.
You got a set of queens, I had two pairs the whole time and you fucking called with nothing and you said, you had one pair and I was over, and then you flipped and then you folded and then he flipped over a set of queens and it's like a very specific call.
It's hard to read and everyone was like, wow.
Because like, by all logic, you should have just called his bet.
Because you're like well, I got two pairs, see what he has.
But you just knew that he had a set of queens.
unidentified
I'm getting better.
robbie mann
I'm gonna start folding to my reads.
Moving forward, i'm playing the world Series this year.
Um, i'm hoping that we can get poker with the boys out there.
tim pool
Did you see that?
Uh, that guy threatened me on the lodge stream.
robbie mann
You told me, but I didn't see it personally.
tim pool
Yeah, it was actually kind of a big deal, some.
So when I we were playing at the Lodge not, you know, i'll only mention this on the uncensored portion of the show, just because like, we still have a show of people watching though, all right well, whatever.
But uh, i'm not gonna say the guy's name, but he was wearing a watermelon sweater, the Palestine thing, and for no fucking reason he says, fuck you, Tim Pool.
Over and over again on the championship stream.
He was on, he was at the final table, final table, championship stream.
So this is like the big year-end event with a million dollar guaranteed prize pool.
First place was 200 000.
This is like a major event.
And he says abruptly, for no reason, Tim Poo, if I see you outside i'm probably going to prison, while I was there in the building in the other room.
So there's a lot more to it.
But uh, you know, I probably shouldn't say anything.
But yeah, the FBI police, it's all been filed.
So you know, we'll see what happens.
Now, everyone knows most.
robbie mann
Yeah, I mean, that's a rare, a rare Person.
I've seen people love you when I've been on the table.
Everyone comes up.
Congratulations.
tim pool
Crazy people exist.
But I mean, you know, so it got, it got deleted from the stream.
They, removed it because it's a threat of violence on what is otherwise considered just be like a sporting event tournament.
robbie mann
That was the last, that was the last live stream before they got shut down, too.
tim pool
No, it was second list.
robbie mann
Second list.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the, the, the, the fuck you, Tim Pools are still in there, but the point at which he threatens me with violence is gone.
robbie mann
Hopefully the lodge can come back.
I believe that there is a witch hunt going on.
That's a whole other story.
tim pool
Yeah, the TABC issued a statement saying that the lodge was shut down for a money laundering and illegal and illegal gambling in the US.
robbie mann
Are you going to have Doug on this week?
tim pool
Oh, I mean, he's a busy guy.
I've been talking to him, and I was like, just come and sit down.
And he was like, I don't know, maybe.
robbie mann
That'd be a good idea.
tim pool
Yeah, because the bigger issue there, like, ignore all the poker, ignore the subculture.
It's that there are illegal businesses all over Texas that operate under the law that political groups don't want to exist.
So I actually think it's not related to religious at all.
Apparently, Ken Paxton plays poker.
You know, you've got Rep Troy Nails, he plays poker.
Republicans are big poker guys.
And the speculation is that casino lobbies are trying to keep casinos out of Texas because I'm not going to name any of the particular businesses that have been accused of this, but the out-of-state reservation casinos would stand to lose a fuck ton of money.
robbie mann
They're not just with poker because there's no blackjack or anything else.
ian crossland
Exactly.
robbie mann
It's just poker.
tim pool
But they're trying to make sure.
And poker shouldn't be in casinos anyway.
robbie mann
There's a business slot machine placed next to the lodge.
unidentified
Yep, indeed.
tim pool
There's a bunch of them.
So the actual story here is the Texas government is trying to shut down legal businesses they don't like.
We don't exactly know why, but the presumption is because lobbying groups are trying to want these businesses shut down, but it's explicitly legal.
People often say they're operating under a loophole.
And I'm going to stress this.
That's bullshit.
That's a lie.
When you ask them, what does that mean?
It's a loophole, they say, well, it's not explicitly illegal.
So is there anything about it in the law?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So it's literally just a legal practice that exists that you don't like.
Okay, this is fucked up.
So imagine you opened a shop that sold frozen bananas and they did not like the fact that you sold frozen bananas because they thought it was racist.
So they come in and they accuse you of money laundering to shut your business down.
And they said, you're operating under a loophole.
What's the loophole?
Well, you're selling fruit and, you know, sometimes fruit, it's illegal to sell.
Is there a law saying I can't sell this?
No.
It's a loophole, though.
That's bullshit.
Anyway, did you want to add anything or shout anything out?
robbie mann
Hopefully everything comes.
noah sanders
The only thing I want to shout out is I sent something to Mark about a poker tournament that my local Shrine Club is putting on for the Shriners Hospital for Children.
If anybody's in the Atlanta area, March 28th, you can reach out to me on Discord, Noah Sanders, and I would love to have anybody and everybody come and participate.
And I'm trying to get a new raise charity money for the Shriners Hospital.
tim pool
Right on, brother.
Well, thanks for calling in.
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