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Jan. 22, 2026 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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HE'S DONE IT | Timcast IRL #1432

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auron macintyre
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ian crossland
15:56
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phil labonte
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tate brown
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tim pool
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Greenland Deal Announcement 00:03:53
tim pool
Let's start over.
The Madman's done it.
Donald Trump has announced the framework of a deal over Greenland.
Now, it's not going to be total ownership, but it's got everybody pretty happy.
Denmark seems to be happy.
NATO seems to be happy.
Trump seems to be a little let down because he really wanted to own Greenland and he's not gonna.
But it's described as an indefinite deal with mineral rights, strategic access, and it's meant to keep Russia and China out of Greenland.
And the deal itself will be about protecting Greenland and the Arctic.
It seems like this was a classic Donald Trump big ask.
He comes out and says, we're going to take Greenland.
And everyone freaks out and he goes, okay, maybe just a little bit.
And they say, okay, fine.
How about a little bit?
And now we're moving forward.
Unfortunately, that means no Trump hotel just blistering in the skyline of Greenland.
But it's okay.
We'll take what we can get.
And then we got a bunch of other news.
We've got Bovino.
He's an ICE guy, DHA.
Is he DHS or ICE?
tate brown
Border Patrol.
tim pool
Border Patrol.
I was way off.
Well, DHS.
And he got attacked at a speedway, and they wouldn't serve him.
They wouldn't let him and his guys come in and get snacks.
Now there's a call for a major boycott.
And then, of course, we've got news coming out of Virginia where they're basically gearing up to go to war with the federal government, I guess.
Weird stuff going on.
Let's just leave it at that.
We'll get into it.
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And joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Arin McIntyre.
auron macintyre
Thanks for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
auron macintyre
I'm Warren McIntyre.
I host a show on Blaze TV.
I also write columns and books.
You can find me on YouTube, Rumble, podcasts, everywhere you'd normally look.
ian crossland
I'm at Ian Crossland.
My name is Ian Crossland.
That's why.
And I'm like an actor, a musician, hilarious dude.
I make light of a lot of situations, maybe sometimes when they're heavy.
Follow me and check out graphene.movie if you haven't yet.
But before we do that, I want to throw it over to Tate Brown.
tate brown
What is going on, Patriots?
Tate Brown here, holding it down.
We didn't get to it yesterday, but we were supposed to cover how all of these stories impact Ian directly.
So maybe we can avenge that and get that going today.
Empire Expansion: Europe & West Virginia 00:15:52
ian crossland
Okay, thanks.
tate brown
Phil.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Levante.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the big breaking story from the Washington Post.
Trump hails framework of Greenland deal reversing tariff threats.
Following this, the stock market jumped up, surging, the Dow surging 550 points, the S ⁇ P 500.
NASDAQ jumping as Trump backs off the tariff threats.
NATO seems to be pretty dang happy.
NATO said in a statement, negotiations between Denmark, Greenland, and the United States will go forward aimed at ensuring that Russia and China never gain a foothold economically or militarily in Greenland.
Rutz old Fox News, special report with Brett Baer Wednesday, that Danish sovereignty of the territory wasn't talked about in the meetings with Trump.
We basically discussed how we can implement the president's vision on protecting, yes, Greenland, but of course, this, not only Greenland, this whole Arctic.
Now, here's the framework of the deal.
The breaking details, we believe these to be the details.
The U.S. will gain control over small pockets of land in Greenland.
The U.S. will be involved in Greenland's mineral rights.
Greenland is estimated to hold reserves worth as much as $5 trillion.
The U.S. Golden Dome system will be involved in Greenland when it's built.
The deal is designed to block Russian and Chinese influence in Greenland.
This will open the door to U.S.-backed infrastructure investment.
The duration of the deal will have an indefinite timeframe.
This means Trump will have secured land, minerals, and defense in one deal, effectively getting everything they wanted.
And that Greenland and Denmark can say we won as well, maintaining their sovereignty.
But the U.S. is going to basically do what they did before.
So this looks like a classic Donald Trump big-ask where he threatens to punch you in the face, but then you agree to just hook.
ian crossland
I have to say, Donald, this is directly to you.
You got me.
I bought it, hook line, and sinker.
Last night, it was given.
tim pool
I was crying.
ian crossland
It was the end for me.
I was like, you've gone too far.
I cannot support you anymore.
And then you turned and did this.
So nice job.
Over Greenland?
I was like, he's going to get us in.
He's threatening Europe.
And if Europe turns on us, which they were talking about doing, sending troops to Greenland plus, then the Russians and the Chinese would also, the vultures would start to circle.
So thank you, Donald, for being such a harsh, strong businessman in these desperate times and turning the steel.
phil labonte
You're not a plan truster and you are clearly a panican.
auron macintyre
It's amazing that no matter how many times Trump uses this exact strategy, the same strategy he literally wrote a book about, that people just continuously do this.
He anchors the position.
He makes the big ask.
He goes out there and makes sure that you are looking well beyond what he's actually looking for.
And then he dials it back.
He lets everybody be a winner.
Everybody can relax.
He's done this over and over again.
And that's why we always say you got to watch not just what Trump says, but what he's doing, what he's actually planning, where he's actually setting himself.
If you run out there and take every single thing he says seriously, then you're just falling for the exact strategy he's already laid out.
You're being played just like the media.
Doesn't mean you have to believe everything Trump says.
Doesn't mean he gets free pass on everything.
But people really do have to calm down with the whole rhetorical stuff.
We've seen this so many times over and over again.
And people just end up embarrassing themselves when they take every bit of it seriously.
phil labonte
That's my favorite part when they embarrass themselves.
tate brown
Well, it works for Trump too, right?
And to be fair, with this go-around, again, with the tariffs being threatened, with Trump not refusing to admit that he could potentially go to war over this, a lot of plant trusters, a lot of our top guys were getting a little antsy.
They were saying, you know, I like the deal.
I like the strategy, but do we really need to apply this much pressure to Europe?
These sorts of things that's antagonizing even like right-wing parties in Europe.
So shout out to the poster Homan's top guy.
He was never, he was a plan trust the entire time.
Anytime some of our guys were starting to be like, I don't know, Donald, like, can we take the heat off a little bit?
He'd be in the replies and just let him have it.
So this, I think, to be honest, this was like the ultimate plan trusting test.
Because like I said, a lot of the top plan trusters were even getting a little bit cold feet over this.
ian crossland
This is, I don't know.
I want to just be gracious for this deal looking like it's going through, but it makes me nervous about like who's coming next?
Who's the next president?
Because this guy is holding it together with like willpower.
Donald Trump is like, people are terrified of him and they love him and they're like scared of him and they're like geopolitically is a mastermind.
I mean, I know people are studying him.
unidentified
Vance is studying him, but it's like, he can't just become Donald Trump.
ian crossland
I don't know.
phil labonte
Look, if the if Democrats do, you know, win and take control of like the House, the Senate, and the executive office, like that's going to be the undoing of basically everything good that Donald Trump's done.
They'll undo things that are good.
Just the same way that Joe Biden opened the borders totally because of Donald Trump doing what he did about the illegal immigration and stuff.
They're going to undo even good things just to spike Donald Trump.
So that's another reason why it's incredibly important that people go and vote in the midterms and go and vote for whoever isn't the Democrat.
As much as people are out there that are like, oh, I'm sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
I don't care what you're tired of.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I'm blackpilled.
After this redistricting thing, I don't think voting matters at all.
I mean, it barely did to begin with, but we did believe.
Now, Democrats and Republicans have basically been like, let's utilize the power we have to wipe out our opposition in our states, except Indiana that went, oh, slow down there, Trump.
auron macintyre
Well, that's my larger concern, Tim.
You see him consolidating places like Venezuela.
You see him consolidating places like Greenland.
We understand that we need a sphere of influence, but ultimately this is the empire, right?
This is strengthening the empire.
Now, if the empire is being run by patriots, if it's being run for the advantages of the American people, that's fantastic.
But the problem is if the Democrats get back to power and they have all the power that Trump has secured for the United States, but he hasn't secured it domestically, then you'd have a scenario where the left now has a stronger global American empire, but they're running it for their own interests.
They're running it for the globalists.
They don't care about Americans.
They're making sure to purge Americans, replace Americans.
And so that's why I would prefer that while I love what the Trump administration is doing in certain areas when it comes to securing our interests, if you don't secure the homeland, if you don't secure the voting, if you don't do that, then it doesn't matter because you're just turning all that stuff over to the Democrats.
And if they don't get rid of it, like Phil said, they'll just use it to hurt us.
tate brown
Yeah, well, I made the point on the show last night.
I think I was using your talking point, which is objectively true, is that it's no longer, these elections are no longer about, you know, swinging over independent voters and these sorts of things to a degree that's still important, but it really is just a census at the end of the day.
And when you look at, again, like these redistricting plays, when you look at, again, the immigration that took place under Biden, like fundamentally what these elections are just coming down to is what is the actual makeup of that district, and then it just takes a snapshot of it.
That's all that's really occurring.
ian crossland
It seems like that should be illegal at the federal level for a state to do that, because that gives that state untoward influence over national elections.
So then the Supreme Court has to say, like, hey, you can't just all of a sudden say our state is all Democratic voters because we redistricted everything.
That's crazy.
auron macintyre
But the Constitution is very clear that that is the power that the states retain.
And so that's the problem is it was designed that way.
You were supposed to be able to throw a spanner in the works.
But when you, like you say, when that no longer becomes an issue of good faith, when people are actively and maliciously using the legal system to skew those politics, all of a sudden that federalism is a problem.
Same thing when it comes down to states' rights when you're removing immigration, right?
Like ultimately, yes, you should have federalism.
They should have control over their law enforcement.
But when they're actively choosing to allow violence in their state, when they're targeting Republicans, targeting conservatives, targeting churches, and they're just allowing violence to happen, can you really allow them to continue to operate?
And this is the problem.
No law will actually bind bad actors.
Laws are only for people who are living and working together in a society together.
The minute you have people maliciously working to undermine that trust, you can write all the laws you want, and they're never going to matter.
It's never rule of law.
It's always rule of people.
ian crossland
Do you think that the redistricting is just a lost cause?
Have you given up on the voting stature of the states?
auron macintyre
I am not a fan of democracy.
So to the extent that I think we have to continue to fight that because it is the way that we legitimize our rulers today, we have to fight for every inch and every advantage inside that system.
But I think democracy is largely dead.
I don't think we're going to get an actual mandate from the people anymore.
I think it's all about pushing and pulling numbers, manipulating zones, controlling machine voting.
But the idea that we're going to have some Mr. Smith goes to Washington nationwide debate on issues anymore is a joke.
I mean, look at Congress.
It can't even pass a bill.
tim pool
You're a smart guy.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
tim pool
I completely agree.
We've been heading in this direction, and I feel like it's inevitable.
It was an obvious inevitability.
We've talked about this a year ago, the geographic hyperpolarization, which was COVID, right?
People in New York moved to Florida.
We were in West Virginia two months ago.
I mean, technically we're still operating in West Virginia.
We're here in Florida trying to work out our future plans because of the threats.
The interesting thing is, despite the fact that we were in West Virginia, which is very based, you border Maryland and Virginia, and Virginia has gone psych, totally psycho.
I mean, what Spanberger's done, the socialists, the left, the commies are throwing their hats in the air screaming and cheering.
It's not even an exaggeration.
She's erased four years, as Tate said, of Yunkin in 48 hours.
We're up there in West Virginia, but bordering this, it's contentious.
I have weird beefs over like a skate park thing that was not real.
And then I go to like a DC and then there's some people who are like posting things saying temples are racist at a skate park or whatever.
Come to Florida and everybody's cheering for us because of the geographic hyperpolarization.
This was, what did I say was going to happen with New York and these other jurisdictions?
When people leave New York, it's going to weaken the conservative voter base, meaning the politicians, the Democrats, no longer have to try to earn at least some of the conservative vote and be a little moderate.
That means when the primary comes around, the psycho commie is going to run against the moderate and the psychokamie is like, I don't got to pander to anybody.
The conservatives are gone.
This vote is only going to come down to the far left and the centrist Democrat, centrist, the liberal Democrat.
And so they're starting to win.
And then where we're at now with the redistricting war was obvious.
With people in California, conservative leaning moving to Texas and Washington to Arizona and New York to Florida, the ability to push back is gone.
And the Democrats in the state say, we cannot shut their voices out completely.
The fascinating thing going on, a couple stories we got to go through.
New York is eliminating their 11th district seat.
They're calling it unconstitutional.
They're going to redraw it, eliminating a Republican.
Maryland did the same thing.
Mike Service had a great tweet.
He said Maryland cut a deal with Republicans saying, you don't redistrict in your area, we won't redistrict here.
And then when they're, when, I think it was Indiana, when Indiana's like, okay, fine, we won't do it.
Maryland goes, psych, we're doing it, let's go.
And now they're eliminating the last Republican seat.
You can actually just, it's, to me, it's one plus one equals two.
Okay.
What happens when the midterm election is no longer having any toss-ups at all?
It's literally just 200 and you know, 20 Democrats and then the rest of the Republicans had solid blue, solid red.
There's no elections anymore.
It's literally just a Democrat state will always be Democrat.
It's happening at the federal level, the national level, what happened to our cities.
The Democrats have controlled Chicago for over 100 years and there's zero chance a Republican will ever get elected there.
And now it's happening at the state level and it's coming to Congress.
And then what do you think the next course of action will be in this country?
Because when there's nowhere left to go, the pressure builds up and the kettle explodes.
auron macintyre
I think the great sort has to happen.
I think it was inevitable.
The idea that we could sort.
The great sort.
tim pool
Yeah.
auron macintyre
Yeah, the sorting of the different beliefs.
We used to believe you could just live anywhere in the United States and we shared enough values, enough social fabric, you'd be fine.
And so people moved to all these places for education and business and these kind of things.
But what they found is they were living next to a bunch of people who didn't share their religion, didn't share their beliefs, didn't share their values, and we were constantly in a state of war.
Now everybody's going back to the places where they can be around people that they actually agree with, actually believe in, can have real communities.
And I think that's actually a positive.
One of the upsides of remote work is you can actually live around people and not have to worry about your job being right down the street.
You can just live around people you actually care about.
So we're seeing more intentional communities.
We're seeing people moving together, moving to places where they actually agree.
Florida, remember, was a purple state trending blue for most minds because when people came from New York and New Jersey, they came down here to retire and they used their pension.
Now the people come in here, they're fleeing COVID.
They want to be with Ron DeSantis, their Republicans.
tim pool
What was the DeSantis win margin?
auron macintyre
I don't remember who DeSantis.
tim pool
That dude who was caught, what was he like doing meth or something?
auron macintyre
Yeah, he got caught doing meth with a gay prostitute.
Yeah.
tim pool
And he was like, didn't he have like foam at the mouth?
Or it's like, what was that all about?
He almost won.
And then DeSantis narrowly wins.
And immediately, you know, I want to say thank you to DeSantis for fixing this state and making it what it is.
Not just him.
The state legislature did a great job as well.
It's a shame about his presidential run.
Not very good, but Florida's fantastic.
phil labonte
So in 2018, DeSantis' win margin was 0.4% over Andrew Gillen.
But in 2022, it was a nearly 20% win over Charles.
tim pool
Because everybody came here.
DOC came here to vacation because she didn't like her own state's COVID lockdown stuff.
auron macintyre
Well, and really importantly, DeSantis cleaned up the voter rolls.
This is something that people did not do.
This is something guys like Glenn Young didn't do.
When DeSantis got into power, he made sure to use that power to secure power in Florida for the Republicans moving forward.
You have to take control of those votes.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from the new republic, our communist friends.
It's civil war, baby.
The way they describe it, Abigail Spanberger's first move as Virginia governor was a masterstroke.
Even moderate Democrats can be boldly anti-MAGA.
Other centrist Democrats should follow her example.
phil labonte
That's ridiculous.
tim pool
What did she do?
They say, even before taking office last Saturday, the new Virginia governor Abigail Spanberger, a Democrat, demanded and received the resignations of several of her Republican predecessor Glenn Young's appointees to the board that oversees University of Virginia.
In a similar vein, the state's new attorney general, Democrat Jay Jones, forced out legal counsels at George Mason University and the Virginia Military Institute who were appointed by his Republican predecessor.
Job change at state colleges aren't usually national news, but what Spanberger and Virginia Democrats are doing matters well beyond Old Dominion.
Republicans like Trump and Yunkin keep appointing right-wing partisans to traditionally apolitical roles like university board member and FBI director.
These appointments are designed to turn key nonpartisan institutions into apparatuses for the Republican Party.
Eparati.
Well, here's the bill that I want to show you.
This is from las.virginia.gov.
Bill details introduced January 14th, 2026.
Hey, this is really fun.
What does this bill say?
Quote, all orders from the federal government or any of its officers, agencies, or departments to the state militia of Virginia, including the National Guard and the unorganized militia, that relate to the call, induction, or drafting of Virginia state troops of any type or description into the federal service for active duty or otherwise and withdrawing them from the control of the governor of Virginia shall be first transmitted to and through the governor of Virginia.
Lawful Unless 00:15:45
tim pool
The governor, as commander-in-chief of the state militia, shall not approve, consent to, or concur in any such order that has not been transmitted as herein required.
Additionally, no armed militia from any other state, from another state, territory, or district shall enter the Commonwealth for the purpose of active military duty without the permission of the governor of Virginia, unless such militia has been called into the federal services for active duty and is acting under the authority of the president of the United States pursuant to Title 10 of U.S. Code.
Governor, to be notified of receipt of order, no action taken until his instructions complied with certain communications prohibited.
In other words, this may be a lot of bluster, Senate Bill number 337, but I think it's pretty clear what this does.
This is basically setting the framework for Trump, the federal government, and the president cannot federalize National Guard.
He's done it in other states.
He's been challenged in the judiciary.
The courts have said yes.
The courts have said no.
It's currently ongoing.
They're attempting to preempt this by passing a state law saying only the governor can approve of it after the president makes the request.
And she can say no.
So what happens when Donald Trump says we're going to enforce the law in Virginia, and then Virginia refuses or pulls one of these weird anti-ICE bills, which violate the Constitution.
Then Donald Trump says, Insurrection Act, and we're going to federalize National Guard to enforce domestic law.
And then she says that's illegal in the state of Virginia, pursuant to Senate bill or to, I think this is, what is this?
I don't know what the bill title is, 44114.1, Code of Virginia, or amending this.
And then what happens after that?
phil labonte
He'll have to call up the National Guard of another state.
tim pool
And this also says they can't be sent in.
phil labonte
Well, then that turns into an actual confrontation.
auron macintyre
Never quote laws to men with, well, guns, I guess, in this case.
But yeah, it's amazing that the blue states have suddenly discovered that they love John C. Calhoun.
All of a sudden they're making nullification arguments.
It's absolutely insane.
But this just shows you the Democrats don't have principles.
They don't care.
They care about victory.
And this is why I'm so tired of hearing establishment conservatives talk about their principles and their abstract understandings and then complaining when stuff like this happens.
You guys set yourselves up for this.
You're weak.
You're cowardly.
You're stupid.
You're childish.
Politics has become existential.
You have to treat it as such.
And if you don't take power, if you don't use it, this kind of stuff's going to happen.
The Democrats are not going to hesitate to shore a power and pushback against you at every turn.
tate brown
Yeah, we literally had last, it was like a few weeks ago, the whole blue slip debate was going on because, again, Trump's trying to get a judge approved in New Jersey.
And Chuck Grassley comes out and he's like, no, we're not touching the blue slip system, which basically just allows a senator from a state to object to a judge appointment, which back in the day made sense because, again, that senator would have like information on like this judge because they're local.
Now it's literally just a partisan thing where it's just, again, senators hijacking judge appointments.
All this to be said, Chuck Grassley comes out and he's like, no, because during the Biden administration, we utilized the blue slip system and it's part of our American principles.
And it would be a total violation of our principles to object to this system.
Just utterly ridiculous.
People are not serious.
They do not know what time it is.
And it's unbelievably frustrating.
And all this happens is, I mean, kind of back to the great sort, is this is just Virginia ultimately, among other things, attempting to shake out Republicans and ensure victory.
This is like to the point we were talking about with Florida, where Florida, you know, DeSantis wins decisively.
At the same time, in 2021, in the state of New York, Lee Zeldon loses by about 300,000 votes to Kathy Hochul.
Where is that margin to victory?
Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, Jacksonville.
That's where they are.
So it's just utterly ridiculous that Republican cowardice is really leading, again, to this great sort in many ways.
It's leading to a shakedown of the entire country at large.
phil labonte
The idea of the great sort, it sounds great until the Democrats get control of the federal government and they just install all the laws that they did in Virginia, but do them federally.
tim pool
Oh, it's going to be bonkers, what Democrats do when they get in.
They are going to get in, and this modicum of resistance Republicans have feigned, they are going to use as justification for just bulldozing the whole country.
They're going to say, well, Donald Trump once, you know, shuffled my garbage can outside my house.
That's an affront to justice.
So we're going to put you all in prison.
We're going to ban guns.
We're going to open the borders.
And it's just, that's the excuse they're going to use.
auron macintyre
Democrats have made it clear that a peaceful exchange of power is no longer an option.
I mean, they have blatantly said, we're putting Pete Hegseth in jail.
We're putting Donald Trump in jail.
We're putting everybody who's worked for the administration in jail.
We're probably putting a bunch of Trump supporters in jail.
You can no longer hand in Democrats power.
tim pool
Push in jail, too.
That's what we need the most.
phil labonte
He is going to prison.
Everyone else is going to go to jail.
He's going to protect him.
tim pool
We can six months.
unidentified
He needs a year.
ian crossland
He's going to go to jail and help them install webcams for the prisoners.
phil labonte
I'll go.
auron macintyre
What kind of business are you planning to run, Ben?
ian crossland
It's just a venture capitalist.
unidentified
Let's go.
ian crossland
Making people rich when they get out.
tate brown
No, too, I've made this point before on the show, and people don't believe me.
It's literally, if you have a Twitter account and you're expressing support for these ICE operations, go to archive.org.
Even if your Twitter's tiny, put in your handle, put in your URL or whatever.
Someone is logging your Twitter.
People are logging your Twitter.
So again, even if it's not like maybe necessarily you going to jail, you're going to face social repercussions if, heaven forbid you ever get docked or something like that.
From the top, from these politicians, from these governors, from these senators, all the way down to the activist space, they are watching us and they are salivating at the opportunity to come after us.
tim pool
I'd love to do a bit like this where it's like, you know, three years in the future and we're on IRL and we're like the Democrats have taken every branch of government.
The court has been packed and they're now announcing arrest warrants for prominent conservative personalities, independents and moderates.
And I fear we're next.
And the door busts open.
A bunch of dudes with guns come in, grab Ian and drag him out.
And we're like, wait, what?
And then one of them walks back and goes, you guys are good.
phil labonte
Just terrified.
I'm a Patsy.
ian crossland
I'm a Patsy.
tim pool
And then it turns out Ian was actually the real brains behind the show the whole time.
ian crossland
I have been.
tim pool
He writes my script, the prompter right in front of me.
I'm just reading what Ian wrote right now.
phil labonte
He's actually running mostly peaceful memes and a bunch of others.
ian crossland
Dude, if you could see the things that I writes Trump speeches about radical change on the globe, like the way I think is so far in the future.
So that's why I search for an idiot a lot because it makes me like not a target.
tim pool
It's so far in the future, it sounds like schizophrenia.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It sounds crazy.
tate brown
He's ghostwriting the history books.
ian crossland
Like if you read the white papers of like crypto, like if you read deep tech papers, you can't say, holy fuck.
unidentified
But what it makes me think is politics.
tim pool
What the swearing is.
ian crossland
Politics is about as crumpled as a wet piece of toilet paper right now.
tim pool
Like mushed into a paste?
ian crossland
Yeah, just crusty.
This is why the culture war is so important, especially with this redistricting.
If it really doesn't matter who's voting, it's just there's going to be blocks of people.
You want sane Democrats.
You want sane Republicans.
So the culture war becomes super important to get people on a kind of a cultural cohesive level.
phil labonte
But Ian, so Ian, Oren was making this point on a show today.
What do you do when you have a Democrat that says, that basically runs as a moderate, right?
And then gets into office and is as far left as you can go.
Because that's exactly what Abigail Spangenberger.
Spangenberger?
unidentified
Right?
auron macintyre
Spanberger.
phil labonte
Spanberger.
auron macintyre
I always call her Spanberger.
phil labonte
That's exactly what she did.
She ran as a moderate.
She was alleged to be a center left Democrat, right?
Very normal Democrat, blah, blah, blah.
Gets into the office and then starts ramming through all of the most far-left stuff that any progressive would ever want.
If you can't ascertain what your politicians are going to do by what they say, then, I mean, essentially, your vote is worthless.
auron macintyre
Never forget that FDR ran on a small government platform.
phil labonte
Did he really?
auron macintyre
Roosevelt ran on reducing the size of government, getting government out of things, and then immediately turned around and basically said, I'm taking total power and completely running a revolution through this country.
This is as old as it gets, man.
Like, you can't trust politicians.
Of course they're going to lie.
The only people who are dumb enough to believe them are Republicans.
The Democrats know you run as a moderate and then you become Mao as soon as you get into office.
That's how they operate.
tim pool
I want to talk about the story since we have you here on McIntyre.
This is an interesting chain of events that occurred on Axe.
phil labonte
It started with this video of Congress.
tim pool
It looks like Jeremy Hambley, to become honest.
There's a guy in Minnesota with a Glenn.
Is that just like an AR-15?
phil labonte
It's an AR with a can on it with silence.
auron macintyre
Yeah, it looks like it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Are you right?
Suppressor.
And he basically says he's out here to protect his neighbors.
This is my neighborhood.
Well, Gunther Eagleman says, lock him up.
Now, hold on there, gosh, darn a minute.
We're 2A people here.
We love guns.
People like to keep in bare arms, and they can walk around doing whatever they want with their guns.
I certainly think so.
In response to this, you got a community note saying, this is the Second Amendment, which gives people the right to keep and bear arms.
Gunther Eagleman has previously said, we must never give up our Second Amendment.
In response to this, Hannah Cox says, there it goes.
MAGA zombies have flipped on every other conservative position, and now they don't even like the Second Amendment.
Now, my response to this is this right here on the surface, totally fine.
I don't care.
It's a dude.
To be honest, seems a little out of shape, but he's got a weapon.
He's got good trigger discipline.
I accept it, and he's allowed to do it.
And by all means, please.
The question is, what is the intent behind it?
Is he fighting oppression and tyranny, or is he supporting oppression and tyranny?
And the issue is this is a lawful government duly elected, enforcing its laws, which have been in the books for decades.
In which case, this is not, as our moral worldview, who believe in the Second Amendment, a justifiable instance of bearing arms to support lawful governance and the right of the people.
In fact, it is rogue operators trying to supplant the will of the people as we have duly operated in our previous election.
The Republicans didn't go out and shoot anybody.
They didn't write and burn everything down.
By all means, go ahead and scream J6.
I'm not for that either.
The point is, this guy is not here to represent lawful governance.
He is here to say, I don't care for your lawful governance.
Which sends me to this before we get into everything.
The point here and the question of whether or not this is actually about the Second Amendment, I bring you a passage from Ulysses S. Grant following the Civil War, for which I'm interested in Oren's opinion.
He said in his memoirs, if the war had been a war of rebellion against tyranny, I should have been on the side of the rebellion.
I would have been.
I should have been on the side of rebellion, but it was not.
There was a right of revolution, but there was no right of rebellion against a lawful government.
The right of revolution is a natural one and is not to be questioned, but rebellion against constitute authority is treason and must be treated as such.
The Constitution gave the right to change the form of government in a lawful way, and no government is safe unless the right is reserved to the people.
But rebellion against an existing government is an offense and must be punished.
The southern states had no more right to secede from the union than a county has to secede from a state.
Now, while I don't completely agree, I do believe it's fair to say the South decided to engage in our functioning constitutional process.
When they lost that electoral process, they then said, we're out.
Now, hold on.
We all agreed blood and treasure were sacrificed.
You were admitted.
And then you didn't like the outcome.
So you said, I'm taking my ball and going home.
That's different from the American Revolution where we said, please let us be involved in governance.
And the crown said no and decided for us, despite the fact we were largely autonomous.
These are completely distinct.
And what these people who are saying against MAGA doesn't like Second Amendment anymore don't understand is that there are distinct moral worldviews and nuances to when and how we determine you have a right to fight back against a tyrannical government.
But Auren, I'm curious, based on everything I just said, what your thoughts are.
auron macintyre
I mean, with the situation in the South, what you're looking about, like you said, our founding fathers pointed out that the reason they needed to leave is that they wanted the rights of the Englishman.
Like that was their problem.
They wanted the rights that they felt they were entitled to as Englishmen and that was not being upheld by the parliament.
A lot of people say it was a war against the king, but actually they appealed to the king regularly, hoping that he would save them from parliament.
And when he wouldn't, only then did they say, okay, now we have to appeal to heaven because we have no other place to appeal.
We have the right of a revolution.
I think this is a bad understanding from Grant.
I mean, obviously, they participated in the government.
The South decided that they were not receiving the rights that they believe that they were due.
And if the 10th Amendment means anything, if their states actually have rights reserved to them, then the right to leave has to be part of it.
If you don't have a right to leave, you don't have a right to anything.
Now, ultimately, I don't think any government can actually enshrine the right of revolution.
I think that's not how constitutions actually work.
But spiritually, morally, I think you do have a fair argument for being able to leave at that time.
Of course, people tie the war to slavery, and that's why now they just make it that instead.
tim pool
But on the issue of a leftist bearing arms in Minnesota for the purpose of it's intimidation against ICE.
auron macintyre
Yes, right?
Is open carry allowed in Minnesota?
tim pool
It is.
auron macintyre
Oh, it is.
So he was lawfully.
tim pool
Well, presumably he is.
But my point is simply, first and foremost, I'm totally fine with what that guy is doing.
That being said, there's a question about if his purpose is to intimidate and threaten duly appointed law enforcement that we voted on, is this a question of rebellion or is it a question of treason and sedition and or sedition?
auron macintyre
I'm fine with states' rights as long as we all get them.
The funny thing is, I know the Democrats, this is all going to disappear tomorrow, right?
They don't actually believe in any of this.
If they want to be consistent on this, I'm fine, but I know they're not going to be.
phil labonte
You know, as far as this particular dude is, you can very easily make an argument that he's aiding and abetting criminal activity, right?
The point is he's out there intending to intimidate law enforcement when they're trying to wrap up illegal aliens and people that are breaking the law because not all these people that are quote-unquote protesting are peacefully protesting.
They're actually out there.
You know, they're inhibiting law enforcement.
They're engaging in violent activities.
They're intimidating other people.
So, I mean, you can make a completely reasonable argument saying, look, he's out there specifically to aid and abet criminal activity, not to exercise the Second Amendment.
ian crossland
I don't think it's a reasonable, that wouldn't be, I don't think I would stand a reason that he was aiding and abetting because unless he threatened the cop.
phil labonte
No, no.
He's out.
The specific reason that he's out there is to make ICE aware that he's got a gun.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's a citizen.
phil labonte
The intent is to intimidate law enforcement that's acting illegally.
ian crossland
If you're intimidated by me having a gun, that's your problem.
It's not, I'm not doing it.
phil labonte
You're not, I'm not law enforcement.
Like I said, this is about law enforcement trying to do their job.
tim pool
I'm going to put it like this.
And I'm looking for your response.
Are we going to play the game of drat?
They've used our principles against us once again.
I guess they win and they get to take over.
Or do we say the laws are intended for a duly faithful people, faithful to God or the government, however you want to view it, who agree with each other and say we work together, we understand what the rules are.
If you're going to people who want to destroy you and saying, I will bestow upon you all the rights that I hold as well, knowing you won't return in kind and are actively trying to kill me, shut my government down and change everything that I believe in, we lose.
Intimidation With Weapons 00:15:21
tim pool
We lose overnight if that's the case.
So my point is, again, this video on the surface, no problems.
It's a guy standing around with a rifle.
I really don't care, and I'm not going to complain about it.
The greater, the bigger picture, individuals showing up with weapons intending to intimidate ICE because they have a moral worldview distinct from ours and the founding fathers and our constitution, what this country is supposed to be, and they seek to destroy our way of life.
If we say to them, do as you must, do as you please, we know for a fact tomorrow they're going to say, on your knees to the gulag, do we let them do it?
auron macintyre
There's an old saying, for my friends, everything, and for my enemies, the law.
And so, you know, there's one of the scenarios where, yes, there's a certain set of laws in place, but the way that they get enforced and actually carried out really determines everything.
And so, yeah, we need to do things under the color of law.
I think we should maintain the rule of law.
But to the extent we can use law to our advantage, we should do that in every single sense.
We should maximize that, every opportunity.
So does this one guy get to carry his gun out there?
Maybe.
But I want to see Don Lemon rotting in jail for 10 years.
I want to see every guy who walked into that church spending 10 years in jail.
I want the maximum penalty.
I want the law prosecuting every single person who breaks it.
So, yeah, we can allow this guy to hold his gun, but the minute he does anything, I want him in jail for the rest of his life, and I want to make sure he and his friends all go to jail if they're involved in criminal conspiracy to do things like inhibit rights.
So, I think we should use the law effectively in every situation.
tate brown
Well, that's why they're calling him Kyle Reddit House, because he knows exactly what he's saying.
Yeah, he's literally like trying to, again, weaponize.
This is what's so frustrating about the fact that conservatives, there's so many MUP principles, conservatives, because he's very aware of what he's doing here.
This is a strategy, again, to like bait conservatives into coming out and defending him.
It really is just the most pernicious Reddit strategy.
tim pool
But can we call him something like the Sautering or something like that?
You know what I mean?
auron macintyre
If he puts that brace on his shoulder, he's broken the law, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
auron macintyre
That's still technically the ATF.
Yeah, so all we need to do is get a bunch of stuff.
tim pool
No, no, that's not a short-barreled rifle, though.
It is because that's not pistol.
phil labonte
That's a pistol.
auron macintyre
It's a pistol because he has the brace instead of a bracelet.
tim pool
No, The length of it determines whether it's a pistol.
auron macintyre
Sure, sure.
tim pool
Not the brace.
If it is.
phil labonte
No, no, no, the brace does.
auron macintyre
Because the brace is, the way the law is written, the brace is what you put on a pistol.
tim pool
I understand.
I'm saying that if you took an actual long gun that doesn't qualify as an SBR and put a brace on the back of it.
Sure, sure.
It's not a pistol.
auron macintyre
But the brace is a working around of putting a stop.
tim pool
So I'm asking specifically, that's actually shorter.
auron macintyre
But I guess would be without the can, that's under 15 inches.
unidentified
Yeah, that means that's the same thing.
phil labonte
That's like a 10 and a half, probably 11 and a half with a six inch cancel.
tim pool
Right, the intention of those is literally you're supposed to hold it like a pistol.
auron macintyre
In theory, that's supposed to go on your arm.
tim pool
The brace is because some people have disabilities.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So they need a way to hold it, but you can brace it against your shoulder.
auron macintyre
And the mini puts on a shoulder, he is breaking the law.
phil labonte
Technically, yes.
Yeah, if you shoulder.
tim pool
I remember when, was it during Biden they banned braces?
The ATF decided that braces were illegal.
And then I had to go through all of my guns for which I have like just so many and then detach all of the braces and separate them.
Otherwise, I was at risk of being a felon despite the fact no law had been passed.
So y'all want to play these games.
I don't care.
I'm not going to sit here and say you can do whatever you want because you have rights and then you're going to point your gun at me and put me in a gulag.
phil labonte
Not only had there been the law.
Not only had there been no law passed, the ATF had multiple times said that a brace does not make a pistol into a short barrel rifle.
They had multiple decisions or I don't know what they call it.
It's not decisions, but they released multiple guidelines and letters to people saying, look, no, I personally waited about seven or eight years before I bought a brace because I was like, they're going to, and when they first came out, when the SIG brace came out, I was like, they're going to throw people in jail for that.
tim pool
I got an idea.
Have you got, what are those things?
Tensegrity, Tensegrity.
Have you heard of these things?
Have you never seen these things?
Let me see if I can pull this up.
What is it?
auron macintyre
Is that a South Park episode?
tim pool
No, Come on.
Let me see if I can find a Tensegrity.
Yeah, Tenseegrity.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
I want to find a good one.
Here we go.
Here we go.
I got an idea.
phil labonte
Hi, I'm Xerxes from the Ontario Science Center.
unidentified
Banging.
tim pool
Hi, Xerxes.
Have you ever seen one of them?
We don't need to hear what you have to say.
unidentified
Have you ever seen one of them?
So.
tim pool
So look at this thing.
Right?
That's cool.
So it looks like it makes no sense.
How is it floating like that?
Well, it's actually quite simple.
This is hanging, so it's being suspended, and it can't topple over because this is being held down.
Make a brace like a Tensegrity, and then you're like, well, there's actually no connecting parts holding it together.
So therefore, I'm kidding.
Don't do that.
It's a joke.
phil labonte
No, but that would be funny, though.
unidentified
Just like, just like Ian's like, maybe.
phil labonte
Use the law in every single way you can.
We should use the law.
But every single time that anyone on the left breaks the law, even the slightest bit, you throw the book at him.
ian crossland
I don't think prosecutorial discretion is super important.
And evil laws can be used too.
It's not.
phil labonte
I mean, I feel like you're not even listening to what the conversation is.
ian crossland
Every law at your discretion to prosecute your enemies.
phil labonte
Yeah, but I'm not saying no.
ian crossland
Sometimes you use discretion with law and you prosecute.
phil labonte
Not when you're in a literal fight for existence.
tim pool
You know, it'd be great.
unidentified
You're not.
tim pool
You know, if you literally are.
You know, it'd be really great.
Ian, it would be really great if you read about Catalonia.
Have you read a bit?
Yeah.
I mean, read about the efforts of the anarchist peoples and their, they think the way you do.
And do you know what happened to them?
ian crossland
What's the reference here?
This is the Spanish Catalonia Revolution or something.
tim pool
Yeah, they're hippie-dippy do unto others people, and they were crushed every single time.
And it still happens to this day where they get crushed by the government.
Because people who play the game of slow down there, let's have a conversation get crushed every time.
Imagine having a city and like someone comes to you and goes, Genghis Khan is coming to our city.
What do we do?
And you're like, hold on.
We got to think about this clearly and not go overboard.
And you go, okay, well, he's got advanced spies coming in and stealing our weapons.
And you go, well, can we prove it?
They're like, the guy's running away right now.
Well, we don't know what he's running for.
We got to make sure we treat these people fairly and equally.
And then you just, an hour later, he runs and massacres you.
ian crossland
You know, the civilian mind is different from the military mind.
I'm not in a military mindset right now.
I'm in a civilian mindset.
tim pool
Okay, Ian, I have a question.
A guy breaks into your house, he breaks into your house, and he's screaming, oh, I'm here to kill Ian Crossland.
Are you going to be like, well, you know, he's allowed to have guns.
I better not use the law against him.
ian crossland
No, I would use the law on my own.
tim pool
Why in that circumstance, but not in the macro?
Why in the micro, not in the macro?
ian crossland
This guy broke.
What do you mean exactly?
unidentified
It's a weird question.
ian crossland
What do you mean?
tim pool
No, so my point is that when it affects you personally, you have no problem saying, I'll use the law against you.
ian crossland
If someone breaks into someone's house in a state where you can shoot them, then you have to defend your territory and your life.
tim pool
You have to.
You have to defend them.
ian crossland
You have a duty to your family.
tim pool
What if foreigners who want to murder your whole people break into your country with weapons threatening to kill you?
Do you have to defend them?
ian crossland
You have a duty as the military to defend the country, yes.
tim pool
Okay, so that's happening right now.
ian crossland
But we're talking about a dude standing outside.
auron macintyre
Who's he defending?
ian crossland
Practicing his purpose of his gun?
auron macintyre
No, he's not defending him.
ian crossland
You don't have to claim a defendant to issue your Second Amendment right.
tim pool
This is the point.
auron macintyre
What is he doing?
He's defending the immigrant community.
That's what he's doing.
ian crossland
I mean, he's just standing.
I don't know what he was doing.
I saw a picture of him standing there with a rifle pointed at him.
tim pool
Why, Ian, why is that guy outside?
ian crossland
To show ICE that there's an armed people waiting in the middle of the street.
tim pool
And what is ICE doing?
ian crossland
Throwing people out of the country?
tim pool
Arresting people who should not be here, criminals, rapists, illegal immigrants in general.
And that guy's attempting to intimidate them.
So now let's try again.
Someone breaks into your house and screams.
ian crossland
Me walking around with my rifle out is not intimidating.
tim pool
You just said that was his intention.
ian crossland
I don't know.
His intention was to show ICE that there's a militia.
That's not an intimidation.
ICE should know that there's a militia.
tim pool
I think that's intimidating.
Let's try this again.
A guy breaks into your house screaming, I'm here to kill Ian Crossland.
And then another guy shows up and says, look, I'm not here to kill Ian.
I just have a gun pointed at him.
Should you use the law against him too?
ian crossland
You defend.
if someone's pointing a gun at you, you have a right to defend yourself.
They're essentially.
tim pool
My point is when like, we've had conversations like this so often where when the issue comes to you personally, you have no problem being like, well, of course, that's why you would do it.
And when the issue comes to the betterment of the country and the laws and our Constitution, you're just like, nah, let the bad guys do whatever they do.
ian crossland
As I'm sitting here listening to you guys, I just hear Democrats having this exact same conversation about people like you is what I and so don't become the enemy you're trying to destroy.
phil labonte
Don't become the team.
Let them destroy you.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Why would you ever let someone destroy you?
auron macintyre
It's literally what you're talking about.
phil labonte
You're talking about literally earlier you just said that we weren't in an existential conflict.
ian crossland
You should not utter those words.
phil labonte
You said, Phil, you're sitting here in a podcast.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
auron macintyre
My point is what existential means.
tim pool
Ian, is my life under threat right now?
ian crossland
I can't, it doesn't look like it.
tim pool
You would be incorrect.
Why am I in this building?
ian crossland
Why are our lives constantly under threat?
It's the world.
You know, doesn't Russia have nukes pointed at our country?
tim pool
Ian, why are we in Florida?
ian crossland
Setting up, I know setting up a new shot, you know, looking for something new.
Because we're running an entertainment company.
We need security.
unidentified
You want to be closer to the money?
What happened that made us do that, Ian?
ian crossland
People, obsessive people, come and say.
tim pool
If this thing happened, say it.
ian crossland
The people shot a gun outside the studio.
tim pool
People shot three rounds at our studio.
They're trying to kill us.
Me in point.
ian crossland
Stripping people of their rights.
unidentified
Their right to what?
ian crossland
To carry a weapon outside.
tim pool
That said, that was fine.
If the intention is to intimidate our duly appointed law enforcement, we say no.
We don't tolerate people who are trying to destroy us.
ian crossland
Yeah, but we don't know that guy's intention.
phil labonte
I said, if he breaks the law, throw the book at him.
And then you're like, no, judges have difference, blah, blah, blah.
I didn't say just throw him in jail for no reason.
I said, if he breaks the law, throw the book at him.
Right.
ian crossland
And that is the same argument they used on January 6th.
phil labonte
So now you're just moving.
auron macintyre
This is just the, oh, well, we have to give up because the other side is literally just.
tim pool
My response to your, but they think the same thing is duh.
The hat feels in the McCoy's.
Do you think one side was justified, the other wasn't?
They're just feuding.
That's reality.
Who's right in any grand conflict?
Let's talk about like Korea versus Japan.
Who was morally justified?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Exactly.
There's a dispute between people, sometimes it's aggressors, sometimes ideological, sometimes it's resource-driven.
But all that matters is right now in this country, there are two political moral philosophies.
Both say the other is the bad guy.
And you know what?
We are correct.
And they say the exact same thing.
But I know that we're correct because we fact-check these things and they don't.
Now, some of them may, but they lie all the time.
They lie about everything.
I'll give them some credit on the one-screen two movies with Renee Goode.
But you take a look at J6.
You take a look at Don Lemon and what's going on with Don Lennon.
On January 6th, you had rioters.
I have no problem telling the world the rioters should go to prison.
You beat a cop, you go to jail.
And they did.
I think three years was fair.
I think it's actually a little bit long.
So a commutation and a pardon for their 20-year sentences does make sense.
Do the liberals say anything like that?
No.
They say the innocent people who should have, after the riot, walking onto public land they had no idea was closed to public, the doors were open, should go to prison because they're evil insurrectionists.
They say that Owen Schroyer, who never went in the building, should go to prison.
They said that Brennan Strzok, who never went in the building, should go to prison because they don't care.
They don't fact check and they want to destroy us.
ian crossland
You just said people that went into that church should all go to prison for 10 years.
auron macintyre
Like, yeah, when one side decides, so are you familiar with game theory?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
ian crossland
Tell me more about it.
auron macintyre
So, prisoner's dilemma, right?
You have to have a you have to have two people cooperating, or as soon as someone defects, you have to defect in order to keep the equilibrium.
The only way you ever keep equilibrium inside a system is to have one, is to have it to make sure that you have a reciprocal strategy.
If you have one side say, okay, we're sending people for 10 to people to prison for 30 years who weren't even in J6, who weren't even in the area.
And then when they do something similar and you don't push back, you don't give them a reciprocal pushback, they will just continue that strategy of defecting infinitely because there's no incentive for them to stop.
What you're suggesting is they get to defect infinitely and we always have to cooperate.
How does that game end?
ian crossland
Well, I don't think that either is justified.
The game ends with de-escalation.
No.
The way I'm saying is it the right answer.
tim pool
No, let's try again.
Here's the question.
If they are putting J Sixers in prison for 20 years, even people who didn't go in the building, and we don't put them in prison when they violate the Klan Act or the FACE Act, what is the next logic ⁇ what's the logical conclusion to that kind of system?
ian crossland
There would be multiple possible conclusions to that.
One is the other side says, okay, then we're done.
We're not going to do this anymore.
Another side would be a problem.
You're being intentionally obviously weak.
Now let's stomp them into paste.
tim pool
Agreed.
And that's what they've been doing for the past 10 years.
Why would they stop now?
Honest question.
Why would they stop now?
They haven't stopped.
They've escalated.
ian crossland
Firstly, silly question.
Who's they?
Who?
I'm a genuine question.
Genuine question.
tim pool
Left moral worldview.
Disparate factions aligned with a multicultural democratic society, whereas we are the constitutional Republican faction.
ian crossland
people don't want civil war they don't want what does that do with what we're talking about you You said, why would they stop now?
They don't want conflict.
They don't want to.
tim pool
The people who are roving around in Minneapolis beating pedestrians, pulling cars over, they're pulling cars over.
They're stalking white people because they look like they might be ICE and harassing them.
There's videos of them ripping a guy, telling a guy screaming, take it off, because he wore an American flag hoodie.
And then you have the storming of a church in violation of the law.
They're not stopping.
They've been escalating.
And this is, you still have the George Floyd Square in Minneapolis years later.
They caused billions of dollars in damage.
They firebombed the White House grounds, set fire to St. John's Church, and they mocked Trump when he did disperse the crowd.
They called him bunker boy because he was brought into an emergency bunker.
Right now, what we have been witnessing is the right has done nothing but beg the system.
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tim pool
We voted in November because we are moral and just people to say we don't riot, we don't burn things down, we don't shoot people, we vote.
And then we did, and Trump's been somewhat ineffective domestically in this regard.
If we continue to allow Democrats to beat, murder, and terrorize, and we do nothing, there is only one logical conclusion at this point.
We will be crushed into paste.
ian crossland
So if the left is beating, murdering, and terrorizing, are you suggesting the right should also do that?
tim pool
The right should use the law against these people and put them in prison.
Like I said, we do.
We vote.
We beg the system to deal with it.
We don't go out.
We don't write.
We don't shoot people.
You suggested these people should not go to prison for storming the church.
ian crossland
I didn't say that.
I just said 10 years.
I say now 10 years is the same.
tim pool
Well, that's the penalty, isn't it?
That's the maximum.
auron macintyre
I'm trying to remember the exact part of the act.
tim pool
Conspiracy against rights.
auron macintyre
Yeah, well, that's what they're charging.
They're saying they're charging under the KKK Act because they said the FACE Act is a little bit difficult because of the ingress and egress.
Did you actually block?
So it's easier to just go after conspiracy of rights, though.
I think they'll also catch FACE Act violations.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't think 10 years is good, but I do think prison in general, and that means at least a year, is the federal statute.
10 years.
Yeah, it was 10 years.
The maximum penalty for Klan Act is 10 years.
With aggravating factors, it can be life.
Life in prison.
And so now you have the state laws where they've enacted these civil rights protections, re-enshrined them, which religion is one of them.
I say live by the sword.
We treat others as how they want to be treated.
So if Democrats say we are going to protect against discrimination, we say, well, you storm into a church.
Religion is a protected class.
And you lock them up.
Those are their rules.
ian crossland
I personally think that that's reasonable.
I was putting myself in the heads of some of those churchgoers probably that really thought they were about to do that.
tim pool
The thing that matters ultimately in the end is that I think it is obvious to everybody watching the show that Democrats think they're right and they're justified.
The difference is the moral framework they use, which was the point of bringing this up.
Do we believe in the Second Amendment?
Is it universal?
It's certainly not universal.
The Second Amendment applies to good Americans who believe in the Constitution against those who would subvert it, like these people are.
So we can frame it like this.
The American people are all holding hands, singing songs under a rainbow.
When the British return, my God, it's Revolutionary War 2.0.
A bunch of British people land with U-boats crashing into the shores of California for some reason in the Pacific.
There was a flanked attack, and they say, we're taking this land back for the crown.
And they pull out guns.
Are we going to be like, well, they have a right to keep bare arms?
Are we going to be like, enemy invaders, put them down?
tate brown
That's completely unrealistic.
They'd be like, sorry, we are here.
ian crossland
Of course, we don't give our enemy foreign invasion.
tim pool
So Rand Mamdani's campaign said that he was intentionally going to protect non-citizens from federal law enforcement that were duly appointed by the duly elected American government.
That is insurrection.
He announced it.
He went on the view and said he wants to abolish ICE.
This is an individual not from this country, later did gain citizenship, threatening the people who democratically elected a Congress, a president who then appointed and the Senate confirmed a Supreme Court.
And these people are saying, your laws be damned.
We'll do what we want.
And one of these guys is walking around with a gun.
And we go, Drat.
He's used our own rules against us.
Well, I say that brace could be a federal offense.
I'm not going to give you any leeway here.
No benefit of the doubt.
Look, now I'm not going to rag on the leftists who do believe in owning guns, but for the liberals who have tried to ban them like they're doing right now in Virginia, making it harder to buy guns, why would I give these people an inch?
I'm going to be like, nah, you live the way you want, and you support the people that want to take guns away.
So I say you get what you want.
auron macintyre
When Eisenhower was sending the 101st down to the South to march people into schools by bayonet to break segregation, there weren't a bunch of Southerners sitting there with their guns pointing them, laying them on their arm, staring at the 101st airborne.
That's not how it went down.
And if they had, they would have learned a lesson real quick.
It's not like there's some kind of lack of precedent here.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story where things are getting a little spicy.
We've got this from Newsweek.
Speedway faces boycott calls after ICE agents kicked out of gas station.
Social media users are alleging that Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino and other federal agents were denied service at a Speedway in Minnesota.
Self-described journalist.
Self-described?
Come on, Newsweek.
Cam Higby wrote an accident Wednesday.
Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino denied service.
I do believe we actually have the video here.
And I think this is the Speedway video.
Yeah, it looks like it.
And they actually threw food at him.
So I'm not sure anybody should get charged for throwing Doritos at a guy.
But I do think that Speedway should issue a statement saying we do not want to have anything to do with this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, yeah, I mean, that's it.
tate brown
That Hampton Inn learned their lesson.
tim pool
You see the sign getting pulled down?
auron macintyre
Yeah, literally, yeah, literally.
tate brown
Like, it was the changing of the guard.
It was like when the British left Hong Kong, and it was really bad.
Yeah, this is the left.
They don't want Bovino to get his hands on any Zen because you know he would lock in and be like 20 million deported by like by the end of the year.
auron macintyre
Just immediately get a chad's out.
Yeah, literally.
tate brown
So like the left, this is a very tactical play.
I would say this is probably their most genius play yet is preventing Bovino from getting his, you know, getting his paws on like a white monster.
It'd be so over for every illegal.
tim pool
Like they'd be like, that's right.
That's the Gen Z perspective on why they stopped him.
tate brown
Yeah, that's exactly what's going on.
That's the game.
I know Oran's going to be like, oh, like the South in 1860.
That's not what's going on.
We know what's going on.
That's absolutely what it is.
They're trying to get his mitts off the secret sauce.
tim pool
You know what it was?
It's because he wants you ever get those tornadoes at Speedway.
Oh, you know, those are all.
Yeah, and they got the spicy cheese one.
unidentified
Oh, God.
tim pool
They knew that once he took one bite, it was going to be the John Han meme where he's just like, turn the lights up where that song is.
And then they can't, they can't.
tate brown
They feel like in Space Jam, he bites into that roller dog, and then like when they get their Michael's secret sauce and they just load up.
That's what would happen in Borderlands.
tim pool
I gotta imagine the bathroom.
auron macintyre
I mean, we got Wawa in Florida now, so we don't have to live like that anymore.
You know, like we got all the best stuff.
tate brown
We should be aristocratic.
There's been some talks on the right, maybe like maybe more like aristocratic things.
Maybe we should go for like, yeah, 7-Eleven.
unidentified
Should we boycott Speedway?
auron macintyre
Yeah.
unidentified
Wawa Nationalism.
tim pool
Should we boycott Wawa?
Dude, Wawa is so good.
phil labonte
It's Wawa all the time anyway.
auron macintyre
So it's certainly good for being gas station fields.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
Should we boycott Speedway?
phil labonte
Why not?
tate brown
What was Speedway's?
tim pool
Gotta boycott something?
tate brown
What was Speedway's recourse?
Were they like abetting this?
Or was this just people showed up at a speedway and stopped them?
tim pool
No, they just didn't have it.
Apparently, the Speedway said you guys have to leave.
unidentified
Well, that's the case.
tate brown
Yo, I mean, it's easy.
I don't go there anyway.
phil labonte
Boycott.
tate brown
I've been boycotting for years.
I knew this would happen.
tim pool
I was already Karm Gen Z.
tate brown
Yeah, literally.
auron macintyre
Hyperstition.
I was already boycotting.
I didn't know.
unidentified
I just sensed it.
I was called in the sphere.
tate brown
It's called Killer and I'm a fan of it.
auron macintyre
I knew they weren't patriots.
I could feel it.
tate brown
Yeah, I could just sense it.
It's like I have like a patriot detection.
I could just smell it when I passed the speedway.
I knew it.
auron macintyre
Yeah, walked in one time.
There were no white monsters in the case.
I knew it was up.
tate brown
Yeah, sir.
We only have three milligrams.
Scumbags, you're boycotted.
ian crossland
I'm looking up who owns Speedway.
I want to see whose stock's taking a hit right now.
tate brown
Probably this one.
tim pool
Owned by 7-Eleven.
Really?
They're Japanese.
Wait, did they want to go again?
tate brown
They want to go again?
We got a few more nukes sitting around.
tim pool
A few more.
That's an understatement.
ian crossland
It was acquired in 21 for 21 billion by 7-Eleven.
tim pool
$21 billion.
tate brown
It's like three tanks of gas in California.
tim pool
And the Japanese bought out 7-Eleven a while ago.
Japanese 7-Elevens are something to behold, and they make American 7-Elevens look like outhouses.
tate brown
That's what really radicalized me: going to a 7-Eleven in Japan and seeing, oh, this is what society is supposed to look like.
tim pool
Yeah, like everyone's floating around.
They're immortal.
tate brown
They're bowing to you.
tim pool
Yeah, they have replicators.
You can just be like, oh, gray, hot.
auron macintyre
Does it mean we have to tariff Japan until they bring us their 7-Eleven staff?
Like, sorry, you have to turn it all over.
phil labonte
We will never have Japanese 7-Elevens in America.
tim pool
The thing about Japan is that it's a high-trust society.
auron macintyre
It's an ethnostate.
tim pool
It's right.
But they started bringing in Indians and African migrants for some reason.
Why did they do that?
auron macintyre
No, because they're now having babies.
tim pool
Right, right.
ian crossland
7-Eleven is owned by 7 and I Holdings.
It is a Japanese company.
tim pool
It's Japanese.
unidentified
I heard that.
It's a big update.
tate brown
Do you know how mad I was when I got to Tokyo and I saw Indian people?
phil labonte
I was like, no!
tate brown
No, it's not like the cartoons.
auron macintyre
It's like when you show up to Paris now and it's all just in Arabic or my immersion.
unidentified
My immersion.
tim pool
No, you're not so sorry.
I think the funniest thing about Japan when I got there was that they don't have like Brad Pitt, you know, like Robert Downey Jr.
They have Goku and Lupon III and like Naruto.
And like, I see a big billboard cut out of Goku.
He's like, at this point, a 40-year-old cartoon character.
And I'm like, I guess it's kind of like Mickey Mouse.
But you know what I respect about the Japanese people is that the cartoons we've propped up for generations are retarded.
And the cartoons they pop up are the most brutal.
Like they beat the sh out of each other and they're just fighting all the time.
You know, I like that.
tate brown
They are obsessed with Snoopy when I was over there.
unidentified
What, really?
tate brown
Oh, they're like glazing him big time.
I was like, oh, he is a to be fair, he is a war hero.
So, you know, there's something.
tim pool
World War I'm right.
Yeah, he fucked the Red Baron.
tate brown
Yeah, very impressive.
auron macintyre
Mini sorties over, you know, Charlie Bobby.
tate brown
Oh, yeah, the ghost of Kiev.
Okay, yeah.
How about Snoopy?
auron macintyre
Yeah, exactly.
tate brown
His KDR was crazy.
He was like, killstreaks, UAV, and that sort of thing.
auron macintyre
I need Sam Hyde as Snoopy as World One Flying East.
tate brown
I guess like Speedway.
tim pool
No, the bigger picture here is that there are roving bands of leftists.
Apparently, people were saying that this mob was just following him around screaming for hours.
ian crossland
Okay, so probably he went in there, maybe even to get away from these people, and then people followed him in at 7-11.
It's like, oh my God, everybody out.
Everybody out.
Maybe that would happen.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, still.
Kick out the agitators, not the victim.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Put the agitators in jail.
ian crossland
Yeah.
We don't want to take sides.
And you're like, bro, you have a building in the United States.
You've already taken a side.
Like, defend the law.
tim pool
It'd be funny.
Like, Japan is just like, we don't have anything to do with this.
phil labonte
We're out.
tim pool
They sell the company.
unidentified
Japanese.
tate brown
Pearl Harbor is the speedway.
auron macintyre
I mean, I do appreciate that we occupied Japan for so long that they took on both our sports and like our Western, like, it's the only Japan, like, they have people who are obsessed, like, like weebs in the United States, but with like American Western culture.
Like, they have revolvers and they put on like, yeah, the shooting competitions.
tim pool
You know, they have, I think it's like, what is it, ketchup-fried rice?
What is it called?
In Thailand?
tate brown
Really?
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Did you guys ever follow Odo Nobunaga?
The Japanese.
tim pool
Yeah, ketchup-fried rice.
Real quick.
So what happened was when the U.S. troops were stationed there, I think it was World War II, the troops were like, we want hot dogs.
And they didn't have buns because they had no bread.
So they made a bed of rice and put a hot dog on it and ketchup.
And so that's how they would eat their hot dogs.
auron macintyre
We honey boo-booed the system there.
tim pool
And then now I went to Thailand and they were like, we should try the ketchup fried rice.
And they were like, it's rice, ketchup, hot dogs, and raisins.
And I was like, that's the worst thing I've ever heard.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
They love it.
phil labonte
They had me until raisins.
tate brown
That's strong food.
tim pool
Oh, apparently it's Japan similarly as well.
tate brown
Well, that's a lot of East Asia, they're like these weird holdovers from World War II where the people are just like obsessed.
Like they have the John Frum cult and like all these Pacific Islands where the GIs would drop like care packages, these random colours.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, the cargo cults.
Cargo Cult AI 00:15:43
tate brown
Yeah, the cargo cults.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Those are wild.
They thought it was God.
tim pool
Like they built plane effigies.
auron macintyre
Yeah, yeah, to summon it again.
Yeah.
tate brown
I mean, how fun would that be to be in one of those?
unidentified
Oh, man.
tate brown
That's how white guys get hyped up.
ian crossland
When they're like, Jesus was a guy, I feel like he was bringing the cargo cult.
tate brown
You could just bring the most like random white dude and just like be a king.
auron macintyre
Now, what if I told you your cargo cult was the Constitution?
ian crossland
Oh, snap.
tate brown
Our cargo cult is Amazon.
auron macintyre
What?
ian crossland
That was the bait and switch.
That was the mod?
auron macintyre
No, more that you can't, you're trying to go through the motions to summon it again, but you don't know how it works.
ian crossland
So we're going to digital age now.
The internet obliterated liberalism, basically, with ideal ideologies and then mass migrations with Facebook groups and all this crap.
I don't know what the future government's going to look like.
I don't want totalitarian communistic technocracy, which like World Economic Forum and China, where they own the corporation.
But I don't want corporatocracy where the corporations are making their own governments.
What is your best idea of how it could be better?
auron macintyre
Well, you're getting what has been called the China convergence because that's actually, it turns out that corporate fascism is the only way to operate government at large scale.
So all of your countries, no matter what they're kind of called themselves, are basically slowly merging on this one institution, which is going to be corporate fascism.
So I wrote a book on it, Total State, if anybody wants more.
tim pool
So the goal is to be in charge of one of these corporations to be king.
auron macintyre
Well, I mean, when I say corporate fascism, I mean like the state operating corporations.
We're all moving to the China model.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
auron macintyre
Technically, they're communists, but in actuality, it's just, it's actually just fascism.
And that's the only way you can actually manage information.
You can handle immigration at scale.
You can still have a market economy, but continue to have control over information.
tim pool
But you need to have elections so people think they have an option.
And then they never win.
auron macintyre
Absolutely.
tim pool
And it's just like, but it was a vote, right?
auron macintyre
Yeah, we have popular sovereignty as our legitimating thing.
So we're going to go through the motions of that kind of stuff.
But we're all moving towards that same government system because it's the only thing that works at scale.
tim pool
I don't like that.
auron macintyre
I wish we would scale down governments, but as long as we're moving towards larger scale governments, this is the only way we're going to get it.
tim pool
And the inverse is true about communism.
It works beautifully among 10 people.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I did that pause for suspense as I often do.
unidentified
I've started to do that.
tim pool
Yeah, 10 people living on a farm, it's really easy to have a commune.
Like the joke I always make is the one guy walks in and he goes, Hey, everybody, my watermelons are ready.
I grew watermelons.
You want to have some?
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
And they share watermelon.
It's like, okay.
ian crossland
Your payment is the vasopressin that you release when you help people.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
One of those vasopressin, it's kind of like oxytocin.
tim pool
It's a lot of fun.
I think the reality is when you grow watermelon in your backyard, you grow more than you need.
So you go inside and say, hey, who wants to have some watermelon?
And then someone else is like, ah, it's messy in here.
I'm going to clean up.
It's real easy.
Or the other argument is that a family is communist, right?
The dad's effectively the dictator and he provides and whatever and everyone gets what they need, regardless of the chores.
You might get an allowance.
At small scale, communism is fantastic.
At large scale, it's psychotic.
ian crossland
So I agree.
Corporate fascism seems like the model, the horrific, would it be like all of our constitution is just out the window?
Like no more free speech.
If you say the words that our corporation doesn't like, you're banned for every can of a bank account.
We'll starve you out.
Do you see that as part of this?
auron macintyre
How is that not what you're under?
unidentified
Yeah, well, no.
tim pool
Let me put it like this.
Here's my vision of an AI future.
So just a moment ago, you were describing corporate fascism as the structure of governance that works at scale.
Nothing else seems to do it.
My view of what is currently happening with AI is that human beings are turning from sovereign entities into cells in a multicellular organism, as one who describes it.
That is, we are building from a multicellular organism into a multicellular organism system.
This system, the AI, will program people to do singular jobs.
A person will be born.
They will be narrative-fed the idea that the post is the greatest job in the world.
And they're going to grow up with other kids being trained to be postal workers.
And they're going to feel pride and joy when people celebrate their postal prowess.
And then when they're older working the job, they're going to be like, can you believe there's anybody who wants to do any other job?
Like, who wants to be in a movie?
That's crazy.
I got the best job in the world.
And so the AI will need us to be like that.
Now, what happens in a human body when a cell deviates from its intended function and does something else?
phil labonte
Gets killed by the cancer.
tim pool
So in this future system, when you have a corporate machine, so Ian was describing, you don't have no free speech, what'll happen?
Right.
The nucleus of the corporate corporate corporatist fascistic machine says, are you disruptive or are you negligible?
Even right now, we are all chock full of viruses our bodies don't really care about.
It's a normal thing, actually.
So long as the virus doesn't cause serious damage, your body kind of ignores them.
So we get a lot.
Some theorize that humans actually evolved because viruses went in the system, changed things, and stayed there and didn't cause enough damage to actually destroy the system and then put some of that RNA into our DNA or whatever it might be.
If you, in this system, and this is how it is now, say things that are naughty or not really that disruptive, the system's not going to waste resources on you.
But when you cross a certain line, it'll come to destroy you like a cancer cell.
And I think that's what this machine is ultimately going to be.
auron macintyre
Yeah, you definitely have these situations where the entire system is designed to socially engineer people to fill those spots.
It's not organic community for the sake of human flourishing.
It's community and connection only to the extent which it serves the system, which is why I think Nick Land is one of the most important philosophers working right now.
I've had him on my channel several times.
But his point is ultimately that AI is going to outlive the need for human beings, that basically we are the sex organs of capital and we are creating autonomous situation or the autonomous systems that are just going to simply use and discard us at the end of the day.
And what you feel your goals as a human being doesn't really matter.
You're being entirely conditioned for no other reason to serve this accelerating technological progress.
ian crossland
You called it the system, and that does sound like how they say the party or the country.
Like that's Mussolini.
Sure, that was this big fascist thing.
tim pool
I think a religion of the state.
The left likes to say that the old world is dying and the new world is struggling to be born.
You've heard that before.
But the new world is the machine.
The machine is desperately trying to make itself.
It's going to happen.
I think the greatest threat to mankind is AI.
I don't mean that to say that humans are going to go extinct.
Some actually believe one of the most popular theories is that this will ultimately lead to the end of humanity, but it will fundamentally change us into weird, I don't know, functional retards.
And I don't mean that.
I mean that literally, like the AI has no reason for us to be fully fledged functional human beings.
It needs us for a rudimentary task.
ian crossland
Yeah, it might look like if we evolve a break off homo technus instead of, and then there's Homo sapiens, they'll look at the technus and they'll be like, are they retarded?
Because people are plugged into the machine.
They won't need to speak.
They'll all be brain monitoring each other.
And they'll look like retarded humans to the humans.
And they'll be like, what is wrong with those?
tim pool
They'll be doing things.
They'll take taking actions that are indecipherable to a human.
To a regular human, we see someone go to the grocery store, we get it.
We see them walking with their wife and their child.
We get it.
We see them going to work.
We get it.
Hailing a taxi cab, riding a bike.
The machine is going to need people to do weird things that are incongruous because we can't see the big picture.
And so these AI-linked humans, you'll see them like walking on their hands and then falling over.
And you're like, what are they doing?
You can't perceive the bigger picture of what the AI is calculating and producing.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like seeing you tread on the shoes at a certain angle at a certain time of day.
And everyone knows like, what in the fuck?
It's data.
The machine wants the data.
auron macintyre
C.S. Lewis wrote a phenomenal essay called The Abolition of Man back in the 1940s.
And basically he said, he predicted that we were going to see the social engineers learn to radically change the underlying parts of human nature.
And after they learn to eventually work all of those different elements out of human nature, we will have effectively abolished man because the last generation to have any connection to organic human understanding will be completely gone.
That's why it's so critical for us to understand things in states of being and not just systems anymore.
We have to struggle back for humanity.
We have to fight back against the idea that we can just become these automatons.
And the only way to do that is reconnect to actual ways of being rather than abstract understandings of ideologies or systems.
And that's really something that requires us to scale down, which is what nobody wants to do.
ian crossland
Well, like, what would that look like exactly?
auron macintyre
It would mean reducing the size of our civilizations to ones in which we can actually interact, where Dunbar's number matters again, where people aren't just digits on a screen or social media interactions, and we can actually build organic understandings of each other.
But again, right now, more and more, all of our interactions are entirely abstract.
Of course, we saw this, especially after COVID.
You just didn't even see human beings, right?
Everything was Netflix or screens or whatever.
And people are continuing to retreat more and more in this way.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm getting, when I look at X, I'm like, fake, probably fake, probably fake.
I don't know what to believe.
I was asking, I don't know if it was Tate, Serge, somebody.
I'm like, what?
Or maybe it's Callan was like, the antidote is like just hanging out with people.
auron macintyre
Yeah, we have to, we have a shattered epistemology.
We have no shared understanding of like how to form truth, how to understand the world around us.
And the only way to reforge that is seeing each other in real life again, having real experiences, not trying to abstract things, not try to remove things, actually be with people.
And this is why the great sort is also so important.
It returns us back to the possibility of having shared communities again.
ian crossland
I wonder if, you know how you're in a dream state, people say they can't read in dreams, that when you look at the letters, it'll be like, it won't be real.
And that's how you know you're in a dream is if the clock looks real.
And like that DMT laser experiment shows those weird shapes, like dream letters.
When people think they're going to be communicating with real people, they're going to be stuck in the machine thinking it's real.
Look for those words.
Look for the little indiscrepancies in the letters and the vowels and shit to realize that you're in the machine and then squeeze your eyes really tight until it hurts.
And that pain will wake you up.
You can do it in actual dreams too.
If you're ever in a nightmare and you want out, close your eyes as tight as you can in a nightmare.
And as soon as it starts to hurt, you'll realize you're awake.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
C.S. Lewis.
tate brown
It's alarmingly accurate.
auron macintyre
Yes.
tate brown
Alarmingly accurate.
tim pool
I had the craziest dream the other night.
Kid you not.
I had a dream that I was talking to someone about Green Day, the band, and how I love that song.
What is it?
Blood, sex, and booze.
You know that one?
And then in my dream, I pulled up Spotify and it wouldn't come up.
And then I was like, where's the song?
And then I googled it and it didn't come up.
And then I was like, desperately telling people, like, this song is real.
I swear to God, I started singing it.
And they're like, I don't know what song that is.
And I was like, hold on.
And then no matter how many websites I searched, the song didn't exist.
And I woke up and I was like, why was I dreaming about that song from the year 2000?
That's so weird.
I like that song.
And then I looked it up and there it was.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I love sexuality.
tim pool
That's a weird dream.
ian crossland
That's like forgetting my lines before a play.
That was like my stress.
That's like a version of a stress dream where like you, you lose the information.
tim pool
I haven't heard that song in 20 years.
It's a weird dream.
ian crossland
I was just, I just saw some Green Day a couple days ago.
I wonder if it was the day you had a dream.
tim pool
You know what dreams are?
ian crossland
I can't know.
tim pool
You're seeing other dimensions.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
If the multiverse is real, we are not imagining stories.
We're seeing into other realities.
ian crossland
A lucid dream.
When you realize you're in a dream, you start to, you think words instead of say them because your body's obviously can't move.
You think whatever you want.
He walks, Donald Trump walks in the room and then it happens.
So I wonder if you're controlling other realities with your lucidity.
tim pool
The multiverse exists and every possible universe exists.
We are not imagining and creating ideas.
Energy can't be created or destroyed only changed.
We are perceiving existing realities and writing them down.
That means there's a universe where there's a Spider-Man.
phil labonte
I mean, that's actually true.
If the universe that we exist in is eternal, eventually, no matter how remote the possibilities are, whatever will happen.
tim pool
But again, if energy cannot be created, then what is the system in our minds that imagines a Batman?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like a transmutation.
It's putting energy internally, which is twisting helixing back out and then coming back into the black hole that we're in.
So you are, I think that's how you're creating externality.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm saying Batman's real.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Somebody created it.
tim pool
No, they didn't.
They saw it.
auron macintyre
Bob Kane peered into the other universe.
phil labonte
Yeah, have you seen where the singularity?
tim pool
Well, what happened was he was working with a scientist who invented a machine that allowed him to rip open the time-space continuum, and his daughter's pinky got stuck.
And when it closed, it cut her pinky off.
auron macintyre
I'm glad we're all going to Bioshock.
I was literally just going to say, so you discovered the music through a tear in reality.
We were just going to get into that.
tim pool
And then for those that don't know, basically, because she exists in multiple realities, she can pull open Tears in the Space-Time Continuum.
Fun game.
Not as good because they got rid of the injections, the plasmids with a soda pop.
tate brown
That's woke.
tim pool
OG Bioshock.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
Seriously.
tate brown
Sure, woke nonsense.
tim pool
You should play it, though.
phil labonte
You should play it.
tate brown
I don't even know what it is.
tim pool
Bioshock Infinite is basically.
So it's a fun game.
Check it out.
Bioshock is one of the greatest pieces of human art ever created.
For those that haven't played it, it's an old game, but you must.
It basically, it's a game built on the theme of like Atlas shrugged.
And a bunch of rich people build a city underground because, or I'm sorry, underwater, because they're like, you know, we're going to go do whatever we want.
And then, because there's lax rules and anybody can just do what the market wants, they start genetically splicing themselves, which collapses society because everyone's all messed up.
And then you get there and you're like, I can inject myself, and then you can like throw fireballs or whatever weird stuff happens.
It's pretty cool.
In Bajak Infinite, the theme is American exceptionalism.
So you're in an alternate reality where there's flying cities.
And when they invented these flying cities, they went over and shut down the Boxer Rebellion and just bombed the crap out of China.
I recommend it.
It's a fun game.
It's an interesting take on.
auron macintyre
I mean, Ken Levine really hates America and white people, so you get that too.
Yeah, they're pretty fun games.
ian crossland
Is he the developer?
auron macintyre
Yeah, he was the original.
tim pool
Bioshock, the first one.
ian crossland
The first one's a masterpiece.
My masterpiece loves it.
You fight the Atlas.
tim pool
Literally the final boss's Atlas.
Dude, it's the Atlas from the cover of the book.
ian crossland
Shout out to Blur in the YouTube chat with a Bioshock Normie slop comment.
That was for you, I think, Tate.
Bioshock Normie Slop.
tate brown
I love Normie Slop.
tim pool
And that's why I would say all the time, would you kindly smash the like button?
tate brown
That's so true.
unidentified
You know what's happening?
tim pool
Yeah, the reference is the character is compelled to take any action when the person says I mean the game's what 26 seconds full.
tate brown
I can't believe that the frick.
tim pool
When the guy, whenever he prefaces his request with, would you kindly, he's compelled to take the action.
ian crossland
Freaking wild.
tim pool
Awesome game.
It's not even that hard either.
auron macintyre
The second one's actually pretty good, too.
tim pool
I started it and didn't get into it.
auron macintyre
It's not it's actually pretty good.
ian crossland
I try to play Bioshock in the hardest difficulties.
I'm like, I want to play the best game on the hardest difficulty.
I couldn't even beat the first level.
It's scaling back.
But sorry, you were going to ask.
Yeah, it's free.
tim pool
That's it much better.
auron macintyre
You were going to ask Orn a badass question.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tate brown
I was just sawing out because you mentioned the abolition of man.
Abolition of Man Insights 00:09:23
tate brown
The only thing else that's crazy in there is how he literally predicts gene editing.
auron macintyre
The abolition of man is one of the best sci-fi books ever written.
Everyone's like, oh, it's 1984.
No, it's Brave New World.
No, it's The Abolition or That Hideous Strength.
tate brown
It literally outlines how the elite are going to engage in gene editing and embryo modification.
He literally discusses transgenderism as we see it.
auron macintyre
The best thing, so he wrote the essay and then he novelized it into a sci-fi book called That Hideous Strength.
unidentified
Yeah.
auron macintyre
And that hideous strength is one of the most prophetic things you've ever seen because it's all about how these small deaths, like if everyone betrays people because they lie, the media is lying, the academics are lying.
It just shows you that the totalitarianism doesn't come necessarily just because of Jack Boots and Hitler and Stalin and all this stuff.
It comes from the small tyranny of weak men.
And that's the beauty of that hideous strength.
It's not this macro story of a deep fascistic government.
It's the way in which these small violations of God and nature's law ultimately bring you to this weakened state and create the situation we're in right now.
tim pool
I have no choice but to jump to this next story.
ian crossland
Oh, snap.
tim pool
This is from The Guardian, breaking.
Colin Hay strenuously disapproves use of Down Under at March for Australia rallies.
Former men at work frontman who was born in Scotland, Scotland, and emigrated to Australia tells anti-immigration protesters, go write your own song, Leave Mine Alone.
So March for Australia was, what is it, August and October.
They aimed to protest discontent towards perceived mass immigration in Australia.
Apparently they played Down Under.
And they say in a post on Facebook and Instagram accounts, the singer-songwriter singled out anti-immigration groups, March for Australia.
Our national identity, under the slogan, our national identity will not be erased.
I most strenuously disapprove of any unauthorized, unlicensed use of Down Under for any March for Australia events.
Down Under, a song I co-wrote, does not belong to those who attempt to sow xenophobia within the fabric of our great land, our great people.
Down under is ultimately a song of celebration.
It's for pluralism and inclusion, unity, not division.
I got to be honest.
The song's actually super racist.
Yeah, literally.
I'm not even kidding.
And I love Men at Work.
They are the greatest band of this or any generation in the 80s with the greatest decade in the history of humanity.
So I'm a huge fan of Colin Hay.
But I actually think, let me pull the lyrics up.
You know, I'm surprised they didn't cancel him.
auron macintyre
Have you heard any of his solo work?
Because it's actually really good.
Like, Overkill is an amazing song.
tim pool
Oh, bro, of course.
But that was men at work.
auron macintyre
No, did they do that one?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Of course.
Let me just show you the lyrics to this song.
Traveling in a Fried Out combie on a hippie trailhead full of zombies.
I met a strange lady.
She made me nervous.
Blah, blah, blah.
It's not so bad.
Went to Brussels, there's a guy.
But the last verse is dead in Bombay with a slack jaw.
Are you trying to tempt me because I come from the land of plenty?
I mean, clearly there's xenophobia in there talking about the other cultures that are trying to take from his.
Let me just stress this again.
Are you trying to tempt me because I come from the land of plenty?
Basically, in a dead end Bombay, someone's trying to tempt him because his country is more, you know, I'm half kidding, but come on.
Let's not play stupid games.
If you want to play stupid games, you'll play stupid games.
tate brown
It's literally like when Libtards, like when the Venezuela invasion was going on and it was super based, and we were using Fortune at Sign and all the edits, and they're like, oh, that's actually like a bass anti-war song.
I'm like, no, it means black baggy Maduro now.
And for the same reason, sorry, Land Down Under means like getting him out now.
auron macintyre
Death of the author, we own this now.
tim pool
Do you come from a land down under where women glow and men plunder?
tate brown
Right.
tim pool
And also Chunder.
That second verse.
Where beer does flow and men chunder.
Which, interestingly, do you know what Chunder means?
ian crossland
Do Richie Jackson enlightened me too, and I guess.
unidentified
I believe.
tim pool
Chunder means to vomit.
And the lore apparently is that on the boats, they would yell, watch under, because if somebody was on the lower decks looking out a window or whatever and someone barfed, they'd say, watch under, you're going to get barfed on.
And so they would hear chunder.
ian crossland
You know what else I learned about pirates?
The reason they wore eye patches?
Not because they were blind.
It's because above deck, it was so bright that when they would go under deck, they'd move the patch over and they could see.
tim pool
Yep.
tate brown
Well, look at that line right there.
Do you speak a my language?
Because he's harkening up to the original founding ethos of Australia, which is the strong Anglo-society.
He's saying English is my language.
Australia is just an extension of England.
And he's calling for like total Anglo-supremacy, which honestly is kind of pushing it for me, Colin.
It's a little crazy.
Colin is like totally out of line here.
I think the March for Australia, they shouldn't use the song because he's a far-right extremist.
tim pool
That's true.
I mean, it makes them look like Nazis, to be honest.
tate brown
It's really disturbing.
tim pool
Do you speak a my language?
That's so racist.
Oh, my God.
tate brown
Nazi does.
tim pool
I'm offended.
phil labonte
That's what I liked about it, though.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
tate brown
No, yeah.
Again, Ret Connant, like an Unfortunate Son, though, is actually the base invasion neocon song now.
Same thing.
Men Down Under, Land Down Under is now the Patriot March in Australia.
And the March for Australia is coming up.
It's like next week, I think.
tim pool
I am not kidding when I say that Men at Work are amazing.
Amazing music, really great stuff.
I mean, Overkill is just one of the best songs on the world.
ian crossland
Robain did a great cover of it.
tim pool
Yeah, and Down Under, of course, is a legendary song.
But, you know, in all seriousness, I don't really think it's a racist song, but it is from the perspective of white Australians and Scottish going to other places and treating these people like others and referring to your land as the land of plenty.
So listen, the people in Australia love the message you made, and it resonates with them about the land where women glow and men plunder and how it's a land of plenty and they don't want to give it away.
You know what I, what I don't like is that people who, the generations before us, created a world and inspired a generation who then turn around and espouse these ideals and get yelled at for it.
And a good example, with respect, Graham Linehan, who was a good dude, and we had him on the show, and he's based, but he wasn't always.
And when Count Dankula got arrested for teaching his pug to do that stupid Roman salute, it's actually really funny, but to do, the intention was to make the cutest little thing a pug do something repugnant.
And he got arrested for it.
Graham Linehan said that he thought that Count Dankula was just a white supremacist who did something offensive and should go to jail for it.
What's really sad is that Father Ted, the show that Graham had written, had a bit where some Asians were coming to the church and Father Ted, there was a scuff on the window that was like a little black square.
And so he couldn't get it off.
And when the people, the Asians are walking towards the church, one of them goes, he's not a fascist, calm down.
And they look up in the window and they see him waving and he's going like this.
And you can see the mark over his mouth or whatever.
And then they're like, oh, okay.
And they turn around.
And then he goes, what?
They're leaving.
Where are they going?
Why are they leaving?
And then they look in the window and you see him going, that's a Nazi joke.
And what's sad about it is that Count Dankula was probably inspired by this kind of humor.
Growing up watching this kind of comedy or South Park or whatever show he may have been watching.
So he's like, I'm going to do a joke too.
And then Graham Lineham himself, who wrote these jokes, is now cheering for him going to jail for it.
That's what I see with South List.
Now, with all respect to Graham, he apologizes like, I was wrong.
I didn't even know.
I didn't realize they were lying to me.
This is what I see with this.
A story about what it means to be Australian.
And it's not overtly racist, but they're literally talking about this experience of being Australian.
And it's inspired by him being in Australia and how he talks about his country.
And there is a generation, several generations that heard this song, believe in it and love Australia.
And now you have mass immigration coming in, changing the culture and face of this country.
And he's yelling at them.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Like these, these, it was like funny to, I don't know, funny to be like racist in a, in like a colloquial, genial way with your friends in the 80s and the night, before the internet.
After the internet, not only are people getting bombarded with influxes of migration, it's the shaming coming from whatever, the machine itself or people denying you revenue because you said the bad words.
So now all of a sudden it's not, you can't just get away with like, it was kind of normal, like you'd invite your friend over, you'd make fun of each other, and then you move on.
And now it's like you get humiliated for doing it.
I feel like it's an op, like it's a foreign op to disrupt the American way.
tate brown
Ian, those cultural differences, it used to be an ocean away and now it's like next door to you.
So that's why it became like suddenly like, oh, this is actually like an existential threat.
auron macintyre
I mean, I think we all remember Colin Hayes' song, you know, glorifying Rhodesia.
And so, you know, when you have one like that, I think people are going to take cues.
I think that's reasonable.
tate brown
Yeah, for real.
ian crossland
I like they talked about the slackjaw Indian dude in Bombay, probably on opium.
And he's like, what are you trying to tempt me with?
tim pool
He's lying in a den.
ian crossland
He's like, I'm money.
tim pool
Exactly.
Like, that, you know, I'm half joking.
I say it's racist, but that perception of these people, that's what they're complaining about in Australia right now that you're mad about for them using your song.
ian crossland
And he, you know, Calvin referred to it as xenophobic.
It's not xenophobic to want closed borders.
It has nothing to do with fear of others.
It's about overwhelming your system.
Xenophobia's Scare Tactics 00:08:43
ian crossland
You can't do it.
tim pool
You love loving your neighbors.
phil labonte
Sure.
The point of whether it be xenophobic, racist, the point of those accusations is not that they believe it.
It's to scare people into behaving a certain way.
They don't care if you actually are xenophobic or not.
They don't care if you're actually racist.
There are plenty of people who say things.
tim pool
They've burned it out.
And that's why Nick Fuentes doesn't care to tweet Team Hitler.
He's like, I don't care.
You've burned out the insult or the tactic.
tate brown
And also xenophobic.
I'm not afraid of xenos.
I don't even know what a xeno is.
I just want the migrants out.
tim pool
I think those are the bad guys from Super Metroid.
auron macintyre
I was going to say, we have to, yeah, we have to.
tate brown
Is that the etymology from Super Metroid?
auron macintyre
Yeah, absolutely.
From the Greek or Super Metroid.
unidentified
One of the two.
ian crossland
Xeno meaning other?
I'm not sure.
tate brown
Is that what it is?
Petrified of others.
ian crossland
Scary.
phil labonte
You are.
ian crossland
So you're not a xenophile.
I thought maybe you would be.
tate brown
Well, you know, it depends.
ian crossland
Do you love the unknown?
tim pool
I guess the Metroids are the bad guys in the Metroids.
auron macintyre
Xeno Morris or alien.
tim pool
Oh, Xeno Morph.
There you go.
Alien, not Metro.
phil labonte
Xeno Morph.
tim pool
Mother Bane alien.
auron macintyre
But of course they're ripping off aliens, so it's six and one half dozen the other.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
I'm a big fan of Xenos just in general, but too many of them, you know.
Yeah, destroy any system.
tate brown
A little Xeno goes a long way.
ian crossland
I'm kind of Xeno'd out at this point, actually.
auron macintyre
You get one face hugger and it ruins the party.
tate brown
That's a good way to put it.
ian crossland
And then the guy doesn't speak English.
tim pool
Space Pirates.
Those are the bad guys.
Ridley.
Mother Brain.
auron macintyre
Well, Ridley's the big vulture looking.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, Ridley.
tim pool
And the X Parasites.
ian crossland
Who are those other two dudes that got to fight?
The guy with the quills?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
And then Ridley's.
unidentified
Oh, the birds.
tim pool
Oh, Raven Beach.
tate brown
And this is who's coming into Australia.
No wonder they're terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I mean, geez.
tim pool
They're importing supervisors.
auron macintyre
Can we at least get the sweet Samus armor out of this?
tate brown
Yeah, that could be a good cultural exchange.
phil labonte
Can you upgrade that?
The game?
auron macintyre
I mean, the reveal at the end is she's a hot chicken in bikini in the first one, so that makes sense for us.
tim pool
No, no, no, did you hear she's trans.
phil labonte
Oh, because 2026.
tim pool
What happened was when all the trans vestigations were going viral, people were like, think about it.
Samus is six foot three, weighing 200 pounds.
Like, that's how Samus is described.
And then takes off the helmet, and it looks like a woman.
Trans woman.
auron macintyre
Or WNBA player.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
If you want to play as the hot trans woman, type in Justin Bailey as the password when you play Metroid 1 and you'll get to play as her, him, her, whatever you want.
tim pool
With no suit on?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But does she like roll into a ball and somersault around?
She's got weird.
ian crossland
She's got pointy knees compared to Samus.
tim pool
Ian loves pointy knees.
tate brown
Some good knees?
ian crossland
Dude, fire knees, dude.
Like, watch out.
Andrew Tate.
tim pool
Did they make a game where you actually play as Samus, the Zero Suit Samus?
ian crossland
I only ever played Metroid Zero Smooth.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Super Super Metro is in Smash Brothers.
tate brown
I just know Samus from Smash Brothers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, that's her.
tate brown
Yeah.
There you go.
tim pool
And then they were like, it's funny because they were like, Samus is trans.
And I'm like, have you played Smash Brothers?
ian crossland
Samus is.
tim pool
There's a woman.
phil labonte
Zero Suit Samus isn't armor.
ian crossland
just it's a good yeah it's her in just the it's the suit she puts on before that right yeah Oh, that's Justin Bailey gets you the Zero suit.
phil labonte
Right.
ian crossland
That's probably what that is.
tate brown
Smash Brothers.
tim pool
Zero suit.
They were like, how do we say Samus no suit on?
Zero suit?
Like, that's a dumb name.
Work harder, be more creative.
tate brown
Zero suit.
ian crossland
No suit.
tim pool
Remember back in the day, do you guys remember Nesticle?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I had it.
It was an emulator for NES.
auron macintyre
Oh, yeah.
Wait, I'm not sure.
tim pool
Nesticle.
ian crossland
Yeah, and G-Nest.
tim pool
And you could go in and edit NES game sprites, and people were making all sorts of different kinds of Mario games.
It was hilarious.
ian crossland
I didn't know you could do that on Nesticle.
phil labonte
Released in 1997.
tim pool
Which one?
Nesticle?
phil labonte
Yeah, Nesticle.
ian crossland
It was such a must-download for a smartphone.
tim pool
Bro, I had the wildest Game Boy emulator.
Like, when emulators were first coming out, it was like a DOS program, and it was really hard to operate.
You'd get an adapter, like plug the game into the back of your computer, and I never forget how to get it to work.
ian crossland
What system?
tim pool
What do you mean?
Game Boy.
ian crossland
Oh, it was a Game Boy.
You put it in a Game Boy.
Interesting.
tim pool
No, the Game Boy for your PC.
If you wanted to run Game Boy games, the first emulators were just bonkers weird.
Nowadays, every game is on the web.
Like, legit.
You can go to a website and they have every single NES Game Boy game.
Just play them.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
Dangerous European embedded.
ian crossland
That was the arcade emulator.
tim pool
Dude, we already went over this in the past year where I was programming video games in real time during the show.
I made a video game called Alien Invaders, where it's basically like a bunch of, like, the graphics are rudimentary, so they're little rectangles come down and they try to invade your space.
And you play this little triangle, this little white triangle, as the little brown rectangles try to get into your planet.
It's called Alien Invaders, and you have to stop them.
auron macintyre
Weren't you guys building like a big game?
Remember, you play testing at some point when I was here.
I forget.
tate brown
Tim, for that game, you gotta have 8-bit down under is like the dum-dum-dum.
auron macintyre
Chip-tune that?
tate brown
Yeah, that'd be fantastic.
tim pool
We do have a video game.
It's called Normie Quest, and it was like...
auron macintyre
That's it.
tim pool
There was one version that was done that my brother had programmed that was basically a King of the Hill-style game based on the Freedom Tunes animations.
And then we had a functional version of a procedurally generated near-infinite game.
The game was you play Normie.
And he works.
He's a construction worker.
He's at the top of a skyscraper doing work when all of a sudden his phone goes bramp and he looks down and it says breaking.
Oh, no, no, I'm sorry.
His phone goes bramp and it says reminder 2 p.m. Lil Timmy's baseball game Little League game.
And he's like, well, I can't miss that.
And then his phone goes bramp again.
He looks at it and it says breaking unarmed black men killed by police.
And he goes, no, my God.
And he runs to the edge of the skyscraper and he looks down and there's like 15 million Antifa just rampaging and riding in the city.
And then he's like, I can't miss my son's Little League game.
And when he turns around, the elevator opens up and a bunch of Antifa jump out.
And he's like, oh, no, it's Antifa.
But then one of them starts going and sparks flat and their head falls off and they're robots.
And he goes, oh, thank God they're robots.
Now I can be violent.
And then he punches in case of Antifa break glass, grabs a random weapon, proceed, you know, randomly generated.
And the point of the game is to make your way down the skyscraper and exit the building, fighting through Antifa and other, you know, whack-aloons to make it to your son's Little League game.
phil labonte
That actually sounds wonderful.
tim pool
Yeah, it was most, the structure was largely done.
We had a bunch of items and upgrades and then and the people working on it just stopped working on it and then it just never went anywhere.
auron macintyre
What was that the Japanese game where you have to fight like just tons of people just horde like comically large hordes of people?
I'm trying to remember there's a specific genre.
It's like the kingdom games or something.
unidentified
Oh, right, No, like, no, you're like, you're these Japanese people.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, you're everyone since you call up as a knock around just thousands of people at once.
auron macintyre
There was a there was Dynasty Warsaw.
That would be a great Antifa game.
unidentified
You just have to do it.
auron macintyre
Just thousands and thousands of like fat purple-haired, you know, minions running at you and you're just knocking them around with your Patriot shield or something.
ian crossland
Like an American flag.
auron macintyre
Exactly.
Yeah, with base flag.
Stickman, you remember that guy?
Just have him clearing out just lines of Antifa.
You can summon your proud boys to like, you know, come in.
tate brown
The boss is just a Kia coming through.
ian crossland
Or you could play as an Antifa and do the same thing.
And that way you double your sales.
tate brown
I would never play that.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
ian crossland
I come in at midnight.
I'd see you, I'd be like, are you?
You'd be like, oh shit, no, no, come on.
tate brown
No, it's porn.
unidentified
I swear.
ian crossland
Orin, since you're here and you're like one of the smartest people, what do you think is the most important thing to tell everybody?
auron macintyre
What's the most...
You're going to have to give me a slightly narrower feeling.
ian crossland
What about the book about corporate fascism or just the future of humanity, like how people can do better and preserve?
phil labonte
Sure.
auron macintyre
Yeah.
unidentified
Thanks.
Yeah.
auron macintyre
Neck that down a little bit.
No, I think the big thing is we're looking at post-human politics.
Like we're looking at politics that are run almost entirely in systems and entirely disconnected from human needs and human understandings.
And when you have that, you start to see these agendas and these kind of like collective consciousness moving through your political system, but you don't understand why.
Like you don't grasp at these machines, these abstract entities.
They're driving you more than you're driving them.
Ground Yourself In Reality 00:06:37
auron macintyre
And so I think the key thing that people need to start, like we talked about, people need to find ways to ground themselves back into human interaction reality.
Because I think politics is only going to get more crazy.
It's only going to get more abstract.
It's only going to become less human.
And you need to find ways to remind yourself that actually you're doing this to interact with human beings, that that's what the world's about, that that's what your life is about.
That's what your relationship with God is about.
I think that's what people have to prioritize.
ian crossland
Thanks, dude.
I was thinking about having kids while you were talking about that.
auron macintyre
That would certainly be a great way to ground yourself.
There's nothing that's going to snap you into reality quicker than that.
phil labonte
Yep.
ian crossland
I love you, Phil.
You're a great idea.
phil labonte
I just had a kid, so, you know, your bias is showing.
tim pool
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ian crossland
Thank you for having these guys as sponsors.
tim pool
Thank them.
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ian crossland
Oh, man.
tim pool
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ian crossland
And you can carry these around with you as you travel, which is phenomenal.
tim pool
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ian crossland
And then it remineralizes.
It's just reverse osmosis, too.
I haven't looked into it yet.
tim pool
Super cool.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what you guys got going on.
Cheeseburger says disparaging things about James Lindsey and calls him, he calls him gay and retarded.
That's what he said.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Metal Joe says, longtime Tim Cast member.
I recently started a YouTube and Rumble discussing moral philosophy using topical subjects to do so.
The channel is The Moral Philosopher for anyone interested.
Right on.
Shout out.
What do we got here?
Force Name Change says, hey, Cast Crew, I just want to offer a shout out for my buddy and his wife welcoming their third daughter to this world at 8.05 your time.
Hello, baby Judith, five pound six ounce girl.
Bravo.
Congratulations.
tate brown
Welcome to the world Patriot.
tim pool
A lot of work.
tate brown
A lot of work to do.
Like a lot of work to do, redistricting everything.
So just, again, as soon as you can talk, really, we need you.
unidentified
So that's right.
tate brown
I'm working on the truth.
tim pool
That's right.
What do we have here?
Ligman Freud says, open the coffee shop in Florida and escape park.
Man, I do not like Florida.
Like the government did a great job, and the people here are fantastic, but the weather.
auron macintyre
What if it's beautiful right now?
What are you talking about?
tim pool
Yeah, I like snow.
I like mountains.
I'm from Chicago.
I like cold.
auron macintyre
Yeah, you can keep it.
tim pool
I look like I like cold.
I just want to be in the cold all the time.
We have an AC unit they installed for us personally.
Rumble installed an ACE unit just for me because I'm like, I want it to be 10 degrees in here, but I'll compromise and let you guys have 50.
tate brown
Tim, we have acquired some new territory that I think fits that.
unidentified
Yeah, there you go.
auron macintyre
Move the studio to Greenlands.
tim pool
Greenlands.
Getting guests will be impossible.
auron macintyre
I was going to say, if Eskimo's on the show, that's going to be a fun plane ride.
They're just challenging.
tate brown
They're getting blobber all over the desk.
It's like, guys, come on.
A little decorum.
We're Americans.
ian crossland
A whale will be our guest.
tate brown
No, we love Eskimos.
ian crossland
All polar bears.
Yeah, I'm.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
I can handle the heat, though.
I don't wear the beanie.
I think it's just time to go full seien, dude, and rip it off.
phil labonte
Just have a gigantic sayyan?
ian crossland
Yeah, just be like, full pool.
tim pool
Pinochet says, tons of hair.
When I'm weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles.
When I'm stronger than you, I take away your freedoms because that is according to my principles.
Dune.
That was from Dune, Frank Herbert.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
That's what they do.
That's what they do.
We should have another one that says, when I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to my principles.
When I am stronger than you, I let you do whatever you want and hurt me because I'm Ian.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
unidentified
Not at all.
ian crossland
You're a military bro.
That's right.
phil labonte
Ian said it.
tate brown
Yeah, that's not even paraphrasing.
ian crossland
They said that the second coming of Christ will come, but it'll either be an economic unifier or a destroyer of worlds.
I don't want to, I'm not saying that I want to be that for people.
I'm like, how can I be like, how can I carry Jesus' torch?
I don't want to go to church.
unidentified
Go to church?
You know, he is always touching on the children.
tate brown
There's actually a whole book about how you can do this.
Yeah.
It's really handy.
There's like 66 books.
ian crossland
I love military shit.
tim pool
I got to be honest, though.
ian crossland
I don't want to become like Jesus.
tim pool
I feel like God in heaven, you know, you call it blasphemy, but Ian's not intentionally blasphemous.
So it's more like, you know, the saints and God are going, Ian, don't blow your cover, bro.
ian crossland
Let him find out after you're gone.
phil labonte
Ian, the accidental heretic.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, what happens to someone like Ian when he goes to heaven?
Do they say, well, he didn't really mean these things, so we don't hold it against him.
auron macintyre
He just keeps stumbling onto this burning pile of sticks.
tate brown
The first time we had to pearly gates and plead insanity.
28 Days Later 00:03:41
ian crossland
Thank you for playing Forrest Gump so well while you were on Earth.
tim pool
A funny bit I'm imagining is like Ian dies and goes to heaven and we're all like, well, I hope he's doing well up there.
And then Ian in heaven is actually lecturing everybody and explaining about my head.
auron macintyre
He has the exact correct theology.
He is the one person who is nailed to death.
He is Calvin.
tate brown
Martin Luther's like, that's a great point.
auron macintyre
Yeah, you know, I should have seen this coming.
tate brown
I was a fool the whole time.
ian crossland
I love you, God.
unidentified
All right.
ian crossland
We got spirits out there.
Thanks.
tim pool
Keithster says, McCoy's were jealous, sanctimonious pricks.
Montani Semper Liberi.
tate brown
Wow.
We got a hat fielder in there.
unidentified
Yeah, interesting.
auron macintyre
You know, the white awakes are a little obscure, but yeah, a hack fielder is.
That's a long term.
tate brown
Trads are really going crazy with the warping.
tim pool
Mason says, Ian is a real-life example of the Herschel family from The Walking Dead locking up zombies, desperately hoping their family is still in there.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
I am the guy in the movie that's looking for the cure, the whole movie.
Yeah, but like I find it.
tim pool
You're like, you've got a girlfriend and she's a zombie and you're like, don't hurt her.
unidentified
She isn't you.
tim pool
And then they're like, she's going to bite.
And you're like, no, and then she bites you.
ian crossland
No, no, no.
I wouldn't let that happen.
Everything but the bite.
tate brown
I'd be kind of envy.
That's not what I meant.
ian crossland
Not everything.
tate brown
How?
Yeah.
tim pool
I like zombie movies, but they just don't make sense.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Like the bombies are like, zombies are like bombies.
The zombies are like, I'll bite you, but not the other zombie.
And you're like, but why?
And then they try to justify like World War Z.
It's like, because they're emitting sickness and pheromones or something.
And it's like, eh.
ian crossland
The only one I really like is 28 Days Later.
tim pool
Yeah, and then the other one sucked.
ian crossland
I haven't seen them yet.
tim pool
I don't want 28 Days Later was pretty good.
The third act was like, eh, okay, I guess.
And then the latest one, 28 years later, where's 28 months later, bro?
They skipped it.
And then the years later was just dumb.
They're like, oh, the zombies are now feral, gigantic, what do they call them, like primals?
The virus makes them just massive, ripped guys that want to bang women and they have zombie babies.
For real.
It's like you've crossed, you've gone too far.
ian crossland
Is it Killian Murphy?
Is he still the main guy?
tim pool
No.
phil labonte
Stick with the George Romero zombie movies.
Those are great.
ian crossland
I want to make one.
That's my plan right now as I'm working on a zombie.
tim pool
I always had a really good idea for a prank I wanted to do where we need a house with like a second floor, maybe like an attic window, and then you get a bunch of your friends and get Hollywood zombie makeup and squibs.
And you know what squibs are?
You guys know?
ian crossland
Yeah, those are banned now.
tim pool
Squibs are banned now.
auron macintyre
It's like all CGI because the squibs actually explode, right?
unidentified
Right, yeah, sure.
tim pool
Well, you get squibs and then you order pizza.
And then when the pizza guy pulls up, or the DoorDash guy, and they're walking to the door, you yell, you gotta get out of here.
unidentified
You gotta run.
tim pool
And they're like, what's going on behind you?
And then they turns around and then there's like, and then you go, boom, and then the squib pops.
And then they're like, what the?
And they're looking around their zombies everywhere and you're actually shooting them.
And then they're falling over.
Like, what would that pizza guy do?
He'd probably just take it, like, just crap his pants.
unidentified
If you do it in like Detroit, though, if you do it in Detroit, you're going to receive this.
tate brown
He'd return fire.
tim pool
That's my chance.
auron macintyre
Third time this night.
Yeah, if you're a pizza delivery guy in Detroit and not strap.
tim pool
You shot him.
You shot the zombies.
And he goes, they were zombies?
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
tim pool
What do we got here?
Music's Over? 00:02:28
tim pool
Force name change says, since y'all are speaking about music and artists of yesteryear, have you heard of Van Morrison's most recent music?
It's pure garbage.
Ongoing senility with a beat of, with a beat and a key so bad.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Music's over, bro.
Music's over.
That's it.
Like, dude, Instagram is nothing but AI thoughts and TikTok.
It's just, it's crazy.
And the funny thing is, there's a video where there's like a fat Indian guy and he's going like this.
And then that's a small window.
And the big window is like this busty, hot, like Asian chick dancing.
And I'm like, y'all dudes are cranking it to fat Indian guys.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about this.
Actually, earlier today, I don't think that music's over, but it's totally different than when you would make a band and then get famous and get signed and go on tour and then you get rich.
Now it's like, good luck getting anyone to see your music.
It's me to have a presence.
phil labonte
It's been like that for 25 years.
ian crossland
The internet?
phil labonte
25 years?
Yeah, well, I mean, as soon as you start, as soon as you could download songs, right?
As soon as they digitize them and you could download them like on Winamp or whatever.
ian crossland
Winamp.
phil labonte
Yeah, back in the day.
unidentified
That was fast.
phil labonte
You know, like that.
It was over then.
I'll talk about AI and stuff like that and what's going to happen in the future.
And invariably, someone says, you know, gets on and replies with some kind of angry tweet because AI is coming for their job.
And they're like, oh, you know, you're rich and blah, It's like, bro, like, I was the, I was in the first industry to get like the real screwing because of the internet and because of digital stuff.
Like music sales fell off a clip.
Our breakout record came out the same year that Spotify was introduced.
tim pool
Wow.
phil labonte
2006.
tim pool
You know, I feel bad for Tate because he'll never know the joy of it taking eight hours to download one song.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
auron macintyre
Or the number of viruses you get off LimeWire.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
More of my favorite was when you'd like, I'm like, I really want to download Falling Away From Me by Korn.
And you would, and then it would actually be some random no-name band who was trying to get out there.
So you go on LimeWire and you're like corn.
You click it.
It finally downloads after like four hours and you play it and it's some like whiny teenager warped tour kind of band and you're like, what is this?
Random Plane Playlist 00:05:57
tate brown
I think the only like thing I can get that's anything close to this experience you're describing is like before you board a plane, you forgot to download stuff on Spotify, the podcast or music or whatever.
So then you just have the most random.
tim pool
They have Starlink now, dude.
tate brown
Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying you get on the plane and you have the most random like collection of songs you've ever heard in your entire life.
All that was downloaded.
auron macintyre
You say, Tate, we used to use a Brontosaurus to download.
Yeah, that's how we used to transmit music from when we were doing it.
tim pool
We had Web TV.
unidentified
Jeez.
Web TV.
tim pool
My family had Web TV.
Yeah, it was a box you put on your TV and you had a keyboard.
And it was like this weird limited run thing.
Yeah.
Internet on your TV.
I don't know.
90, what had to have been like early 90s?
unidentified
Oh, it was connected to the internet.
tim pool
Yeah, we had you'd use cable to do it.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And it was a weird interface.
There's not much you can do.
I mean, my family had CompuServe on DOS.
You couldn't do anything.
I didn't even use it.
But I would download all these old Apogee games.
Remember those games?
ian crossland
No, I didn't know.
tim pool
You don't remember Dappoje?
Oh, yeah, he gets them all.
Commander Keene was an Apogee, was it?
unidentified
I'm looking at it.
tim pool
I don't remember.
OG Commander Keene, dude.
Captain Comic.
ian crossland
Commander Keene.
auron macintyre
Even I don't know.
unidentified
He's like, what?
tate brown
Like, oh, that was all foreign language.
tim pool
Are you guys kidding?
tate brown
You know, Commander Keene.
Yeah, and then you get their Warburg game.
Yeah, it's great.
I'm like, is this Sims?
What's going on?
ian crossland
The Sims, dude.
unidentified
Sims, what's the Sims?
tim pool
With your small brains and uncultured Somole.
unidentified
Look at this.
auron macintyre
Okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, Commander Keene, I remember this.
tate brown
This is Mario.
tim pool
I don't see your commentary, bro.
ian crossland
This is Commodore 64.
Free promo, bro.
unidentified
What's that?
tate brown
It's a barcode on a shirt.
tim pool
MS DOS Retros.
You know, with all due respect, actually, I want to give this guy a shout-out.
tate brown
Okay.
tim pool
This is from 10 months ago.
So shout out MS-DOS Retrospectives because you did the work.
unidentified
You deserve it, brother.
tim pool
Yes.
tate brown
Patriot salute.
ian crossland
Right, look at this.
tim pool
Bro, OG Commander Keene was awesome.
ian crossland
Yeah, they really pulled it off.
This was like when video games turned the corner from Atari.
tim pool
What was that DOS game?
What was it called?
ian crossland
This is when you're like, it's getting real, dude.
tate brown
Back in the middle.
ian crossland
It really looks like a soda.
tate brown
This guy would have been like an archaeologist.
tim pool
Crystal Caves was Scarlett.
auron macintyre
In a way, he still is.
tate brown
He's a modern archaeologist, yeah.
phil labonte
Circus.
Yeah, Crystal Caves, bro.
ian crossland
Crystal Caves, both.
You remember that game?
If you're a band.
tim pool
1991, dude.
ian crossland
Isometric?
tate brown
That looks pretty good.
tim pool
Look at that.
unidentified
You know, other than a few minor tweaks like this danger sign, for instance, it's got everything looks like some version of Mario Brothers.
I know every game Crystal Caves.
tim pool
This game was so based.
Look at this.
unidentified
It was running amazingly smooth.
tim pool
Let's turn these kind of area jumping around, eating bananas.
unidentified
I didn't see that while emulating the original Crystal Caves.
tim pool
Look at that.
ian crossland
Okay.
He's got the Mario head button.
unidentified
That's on Steam.
Look at that.
Doesn't show that.
tim pool
And then you guys don't know Captain Comic?
ian crossland
No.
I don't think so.
What system is this?
tim pool
Is all DOS?
ian crossland
We didn't have a sound card for our first DOS.
auron macintyre
Yeah, I was going to say I didn't get into computer gaming until later.
I mean, we all did the Oregon Trail in City.
tim pool
Look at this.
phil labonte
DOS.
tim pool
Comic.exe 1988.
See, this was back when everything was perfect.
Piora, Illinois.
This was when the world was the best it ever was and has never improved since then.
In order to open programs.
ian crossland
This is the music I'm talking about.
Oh, and this is good.
unidentified
You know what I saw this is, right?
You know what it is?
I don't think so.
Oh, the Marine Corps.
That was cool.
tate brown
Keyston's March, the Marines.
ian crossland
Oh, that's the Corn Marshall.
unidentified
See?
ian crossland
Planet Hall.
unidentified
Yeah, Montezu.
ian crossland
Of course, you get to buy items.
auron macintyre
Of course.
ian crossland
Brave.
tim pool
Look at this game.
phil labonte
It's pretty complicated.
tim pool
This is 88, bro.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Look at that.
phil labonte
He's got a 1988, really.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Look at him.
Throwing fireballs right from SX.
tate brown
This is crazy.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
That was the shit.
tim pool
286 SX processor.
ian crossland
Then my buddy got the 486.
tim pool
Oh, dude, when we got the 486 DX.
ian crossland
Yo, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
And then Pentium.
phil labonte
Everything changed, dude.
tim pool
Everything changed.
unidentified
62 B. Did you have a turbo button on your computer?
ian crossland
Yeah.
No, no, no.
Shannon did.
My buddy Straz.
tim pool
Yeah, our computers have a button or you can mingle faster.
tate brown
Oh, which is the same thing.
Well, my Alienware has the high-performance button.
ian crossland
It was like everything went faster on the machine.
The entire machine.
I know.
tate brown
I pity you guys.
You didn't get experience Prime Fortnite.
That's not the same thing.
tim pool
Are you kidding, bro?
tate brown
What's this slot?
tim pool
You shouldn't cite the old magic to me.
That was there when it was written.
auron macintyre
Let me tell you about having to tell my mom to stop trying to call a long distance because I had to finish my Warcraft one game.
tate brown
That sounds awful.
It sounds Arab, darling.
ian crossland
This is the thing over time.
auron macintyre
I still remember trying to build this for hours.
tim pool
Was it IDQD for God Mode and Doom?
ian crossland
What was it?
tim pool
I-D-D-Q-D.
I don't know.
That's the code for God Mode and Doom.
I-D-S-P-O-S-P-O-P-D.
That's clipping, I think.
tate brown
It sounds like a disease.
auron macintyre
It was more of a Wolfenstein guy.
phil labonte
You play Quake 2 a lot.
auron macintyre
Yeah.
phil labonte
And then in 98, 97 is unlinked.
auron macintyre
Just because you can fire nine-inch now.
ian crossland
Did you guys make levels in Doom or in Quake?
You have to make levels and then make each other play them?
phil labonte
I had to go to the worldwide cafe where we had basically parties.
tim pool
How so close?
It's I-D-S-P-I-S-P-O-P D.
That was the code for Doom, no clipping.
And I remember that from 30 years ago.
ian crossland
That game's phenomenal.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
That game set the tone for the 90s.
tim pool
There you go, man.
Let's get some more of these super chats.
Wes Nile Productions says, Tim, y'all are in my hometown.
What's it got to do to get y'all in my studio or vice versa?
I've DMed, I've tweeted, I've super chatted.
I'm all out of ideas.
Where can I send y'all my work?
I'd love to contribute to your music.
Hit up Ian and Carter on X.
unidentified
Well, dude, who's it?
Trumpshire in Canada 00:03:13
unidentified
Yeah.
What's the name?
tim pool
Wes Nile Productions.
ian crossland
Dig it, Wes.
tim pool
You know, the reality is sometimes we bump into people.
Joe Spinell says, False, Tim.
I live in Minnesota.
It's illegal to open carry a rifle or a shotgun, especially in Minneapolis.
I support his right, but if I did the same thing for my beliefs, I'd be in jail.
All right, lock him up.
Lock him up.
Gotta go.
phil labonte
That's what I'm talking about.
tim pool
Right to Jim.
Right to Jim.
phil labonte
All of them.
tim pool
Let's see.
What have we?
Yeah, but Trump says, regarding an earlier clip today, just check Google AI answer about use of military.
Sudden attack, defending interests abroad, et cetera.
Limited time to blow without Congress.
U.S. Marines can be utilized anytime for emergency use.
Indeed.
Yeah, there was an article from Newsweek, an op-ed from one of their directors who was like, Trump is going to militaristically take Greenland and he's killing people and like all of the sources don't check out.
And it's just like, first of all, the invasion of Venezuela.
I'm not a big fan of, but, you know, we'll see.
I am a fan of some kind of action because they stole our oil assets and we shouldn't have let them get away with it in the first place.
But every single president in my life has taken military action without Congress.
Trump's not special.
Trump's not special.
All right.
What have we?
Let's see.
It's Paul Newman says, you need to attend the Alberta Independence Rally on the 28th in Calgary.
Bro, I'm not setting foot in Canada.
Are you not?
phil labonte
Let's go to Canada, bro.
tate brown
You gotta pull up Alberta.
What are we doing here?
auron macintyre
Look, I'm sure I see the air.
tate brown
Literally.
Yeah, I'm sure.
You maple monkeys.
All right.
unidentified
So Alberta wants to be free?
tate brown
I love Albertans are ironically patriots.
Jokes aside, Albertans for Canadian standards.
phil labonte
Don't even go there.
People talking about bringing Canada into the United States.
No, you cannot come into the U.S. Bro.
tim pool
Questionable Connect says the goal of buying Greenland is simple.
Trump plans to name it Trump, like how Washington is just named Washington.
That way, when people Google Trump Island, Greenland will come up.
I'm for it based.
Could you imagine if we're just like, oh, I'm going on vacation?
Where are you going?
unidentified
Trump?
tate brown
Yeah.
That's how it should be.
tim pool
Oh, I've always wanted to go.
It sounds great, but cold.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Yeah, but the casino is fantastic.
tate brown
Every town should be Trump Town, Trump City, Trump Village.
tim pool
Trumpville.
Based on the size.
tate brown
Yeah, just basically Trumpshire.
Oh, dude.
Yeah, I'm into Trumpshire this weekend, and then I'll probably pop over to Trump City.
I saw Tommy Post this time of year.
unidentified
Where Trump is shout out A. There'll have to be a Trump Glacier.
tim pool
I saw a funny post where libs were freaking out because they realized that all the characters in Lord of the Rings are aristocrats, nobles, and royalty, and that they were cheering for them.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Like the, like, except for Sam Weiss.
He's the only one who was a peasant.
Literally, like, Legolas and airgorner princes and royalty.
You've got the son of the stewards.
You've got Gimli is the son of some like wealthy nobility.
Might Does Not Make Morality 00:02:24
tim pool
The Baggins are old money, you know, in Hobbiton.
And it's like they're rooting for the wealthy ultra-elites at a governmental meeting.
auron macintyre
To be fair, Tolkien was a Franco supporter.
unidentified
That's right.
Was he really?
auron macintyre
Oh, absolutely.
ENCS Lewis fell out over it.
Well, it actually destroyed their friendship.
tim pool
That's sad.
All right.
David Brigham says, Ian, I love you, buddy, but you've been rolling ones tonight.
ian crossland
Have I?
Sometimes I'm uncontrolled opposition and I'm the one controlling myself.
But thank you for your opinion.
And I would love to debate you on it.
I think I can up the ante.
And also, I'm rolling with advantage.
So though you may see 1-1, like what was the other role?
Because I'm the one on the show, so I get advantage.
unidentified
So true.
ian crossland
I'm just kidding.
unidentified
So true.
ian crossland
I might have been wrong about some things.
It's not that I'm truly tepid, but I will anchor the slow down there energy just for the sake of when I look back on my life, I can at least say that I stood up for my principles.
unidentified
You got to go to jail.
ian crossland
But sometimes you need drastic military force, and I understand that.
I'm just, I like civilian life right now.
phil labonte
They got to go to jail.
tim pool
All right.
Giovanni Garcia says, Tim, as much as I love you, what is informing you on your worldview?
In your world, might and strength make it right.
It's whatever you want.
Stop stealing our morals.
Incorrect and ignorant.
I actually have never said might makes right because it doesn't.
Might does not make morality, but it does make.
Might makes, period.
Those that are not mighty get crushed and disappear, and those, the strong, survive.
That's it.
Cry about it all you want, but that's truth, not opinion.
In the world, the big fish eats the little fish.
That's not going to change because you hope it does.
However, morality, what we have, especially in the United States, is to seek to balance this to create a more perfect union, a better world for everybody, where it's not just about the strongest, but a variety of things you can contribute to to your country.
Unfortunately for us, the statement used to be ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
And now liberals are just like gimme, gimme, gimme.
So, you know, what forms my worldview is my upbringing.
Really?
ian crossland
Regarding strength, because I have thought like power will earn you a government.
Psychic And Physical Force 00:06:58
ian crossland
You can take one, but to maintain it, you need diplomacy.
So just brute force won't like maintain your country.
You need both.
phil labonte
Historically, brute force has worked pretty well.
ian crossland
But they always, these, these dictatorships tend to fall out.
tim pool
They get blown up by psychic force and physical force.
You need to pressure release dispossessed groups, and you need to crush violent groups.
auron macintyre
Gaitana Mosca called this a ruling formula, meaning that you need both the physical force, but you also need the psychological and basically metaphysical justification.
You need to both have the overwhelming force, but you also need to have the underlying logic by which people understand and legitimate your rule.
tim pool
Indeed, my friends, we're going to go to the uncensored portion of the show over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
So smash the like button.
Share the show with everyone.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
We're going to be up at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL, like I said.
Arin, do you want to shout anything out?
auron macintyre
Just the show, always over on Blaze TV again, Oren McIntyre show.
It's a podcast.
It's a YouTube show.
It's on Blaze TV.
It's on Rumble.
You can find me there.
phil labonte
It's great.
ian crossland
Also, you mentioned one of your books you wrote.
unidentified
Yes.
auron macintyre
I also have the book, The Total State, which is about to come out in its second printing.
So if you want to catch the hardcover before it goes into paperback, make sure to go ahead and pick it up now.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
ian crossland
I'm at Ian Crossland.
Find me at Ian Crossland.
And check out graphene.movie.
I mentioned it at the top of the show.
Documentary.
I just finished working on and produced it.
I was starred in it.
And it's awesome.
We went to Rice University.
We uncovered all sorts of cool nanotechnology that's coming out probably the next five years.
It'll become mainstream.
So go to graphing.movie, sign up for the mailing list, and follow me at Ian Crossland.
YouTube, I think Instagram and X are the best places to reach me.
And I'll see you later.
tate brown
Follow me on X and Instagram at Realtate Brown.
And make sure you do that.
People are tweeting at me.
I didn't even realize I wasn't following you.
So double check.
Make sure you are so you don't miss any of my colleagues that I post quite regularly.
tim pool
His gentle musings.
tate brown
Yeah, so true.
Also, I believe if we have it set up properly, we will be rating today's interview with the great Scott Greer.
We broke down the European reaction to Greenland.
It's a really interesting discussion.
So go check that out.
We'll probably be sending you over that way right after the show.
phil labonte
I am Phil That Remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
We're going on tour this spring.
We're starting April 29th in Albany, and we'll be going through the end of May.
We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.
So go to allthatremainsonline.com to get your tickets.
VIPs are sold out now, I think.
So just grab regular tickets to come to the show.
You can check out all that remains on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
for hanging out.
unidentified
What's up?
phil labonte
Yeah, we're good.
Welcome to the Tim Cast After Show, the Tim Cast Rumble After Show, that is.
In case you don't know, our guest tonight is Orin McIntyre.
And if you didn't know this, Orin is a metal fan, right?
He likes a lot of great bands.
And I am going to show him one of my new favorites, a pin called Electric Hallboy.
This is the techno train.
You're gonna die when you see this.
tim pool
All right.
phil labonte
Where's the audio?
unidentified
Oh, here we go.
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