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alex stein
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ian crossland
09:16
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phil labonte
23:42
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sulaiman ahmed
30:19
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tate brown
16:42
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tim pool
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All right, with all that being said, it's time to start the show.
To my right, you know him, you love him.
Tate Brown, tell him who you are.
tate brown
What is going on, Patriots?
Tate Brown here holding it down.
Yeah, just wrapped two episodes of Across the Pond going up on this weekend with the great Connor Tomlinson.
So be on the lookout for that on the Culture War channel and on Connor's channel.
It's going to be some good stuff.
And I am happy to be here.
alex stein
And everybody knows the guy to my left.
Everybody, give a round of applause for Phil Levante.
unidentified
Hello, everybody.
phil labonte
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
sulaiman ahmed
Hi, it's Suleiman Ahmed.
I'm an independent journalist on X. You can find me on X and on YouTube.
ian crossland
On YouTube, I'm Suleiman Ahmed X. Alex Stein is Marty McFly, and I am Doc Brown.
So when we get together, dude, the show goes off the rails.
Are you ready to?
I just want to talk about conspiracy theories.
By the way, I'm at Ian Crosswoods where you can follow me, dude, Alex.
alex stein
Well, we have to get a word from our other sponsor.
I just want to say and address the Jewish elephant in the room.
We love you, Israel.
You are the promised land.
You are the chosen people.
You're better than everybody, especially that brown guy over there.
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Down with the brown, up with the Jews.
All right, with that being said, guys, we have Suleiman on here, and he said something very interesting before we started the show: he's kind of libtarded and that he disagrees with what ICE is doing currently in America.
So I think this would be a great time and great place to start.
With personally, people are mad at Donald Trump because he's not doing enough when it comes to protecting ICE in Minneapolis.
Me, I'm kind of of the opinion.
It's like, you know, I don't love people getting shot in the face, but I don't love women driving over people either.
So I guess my point is, Suleiman, what do you think about Donald Trump and his support or not support of ICE?
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, I think the way the entire situation has been handled has been extremely incompetent and extremely bad.
So there's two ways of dealing with this issue.
Either you just leave it or you deal with it in a very systemized, harsh manner.
And what harshness means is not shooting someone in the face, right?
So just think about it when you deal with a kid.
You can either, so my children, like they, like, I've never had to hit them because they know what the rules are, they understand what it is, and then they know they won't break the boundaries.
But when you basically deal with the issue that you did, where you're basically sending ICE agents in and you're basically doing it based on some kind of propaganda that Nick Shirley's put out or whatever it may be, it's just going to foment the situation and make it a lot worse.
So therefore, you have to either go in harshly or light.
In addition to that, what happened was with the ICE situation of shooting Renee Good, again, I think it was done intentionally in order to foment these riots and ferment hatred by both sides because a very easy way to de-escalate the situation was you wouldn't have JD Vance coming out and fighting with a lawyer on X. You would just be, look, we need to work out what's happened.
We're going to investigate the situation.
There'll be an independent inquiry and I think everyone will be happy with it.
What's happened is what it seems to suggest is that what's happening is the people in charge, whether it's the Vice President of the United States of America or DHS or whoever are trying to hide or take cover for the ICE officer and therefore people are like seeing this as a state-sanctioned hit.
tate brown
What did the ICE agent do wrong?
sulaiman ahmed
Shoot her.
alex stein
Well, why did he shoot four times?
I can kind of understand.
No, it's actually now it came out.
Look it up there.
Now they said there's four shots.
I only saw three two.
sulaiman ahmed
I only saw three.
alex stein
I only saw three.
Supposedly, I just read today that there was actually four shots.
But I guess, you know, was one shot not enough, Tate?
phil labonte
No, it doesn't.
Well, when you're dealing with the use of force issue, it doesn't matter.
Like the number of times that he shoots is totally irrelevant.
Like it's not a situation.
alex stein
That's not true.
When a cop shoots somebody, they actually have to put a specific report for actually each bullet when it's shoot.
phil labonte
Yeah, but when it's in this, when it's in that span of time, it's considered the same use of force.
tate brown
Yeah, all three shots were dispatched in like a single second.
alex stein
Yeah, but I'm saying typically in law enforcement, they have to do reports for each separate shot.
unidentified
But from different terms, but still part of it.
phil labonte
It doesn't matter because it's a use of defensive force, right?
The police officer is moving across the front of the car.
There's a lot of people that make us think about him being in the car.
He was walking around the car.
He wasn't posted up in front of the car.
He was moving across the car.
As soon as she accelerated, wherever the wheels were pointed, it doesn't matter.
As soon as she accelerated, he is in a position where he's like, I have to be, I'm in defense of my life, and he's authorized to use defensive force.
That's the long and short.
alex stein
I mean, I think one shot maybe was justified, but at the same exact time, you saw Donald Trump say that the guy was in the hospital.
Did you see that?
phil labonte
He got hit.
Yeah, well, they bring him to the hospital because he was actually hit by the car.
And he's alleged to have had, at least a government official said that he's had an internal bleeding.
sulaiman ahmed
According to that, so that's according to CBS.
phil labonte
Okay, so if you don't want to believe the stuff that the government says, that's fine, right?
But we can only go by with the information that we're going to be talking about.
sulaiman ahmed
But we have to look at who the reporting is from.
So the reporting's from CBS, Barry Weiss.
That's an important point to note.
In addition to that, you basically got another issue, which is when you look at what happened, look, his life wasn't threatened.
The car was at a standstill.
phil labonte
No, it doesn't matter.
sulaiman ahmed
But his life wasn't threatened.
And the first shot.
phil labonte
Yes, it was.
The car was moving towards him.
The car is a deadly weapon.
sulaiman ahmed
Two miles an hour is not yet.
phil labonte
So the argument that you're making would be the same argument if you said, well, the gun, the perpetrator had a gun, but he wasn't pointing it at the officer.
Police don't have to wait until you're pointing at a gun at them or you're shooting at them.
As soon as the person's in the car refuses to get out and hits the accelerator, as soon as the car starts moving towards him, he doesn't have to be like, oh, I know what the car is going to do to defend his guy.
sulaiman ahmed
So there's two points.
One thing is her wheel was completely turned up.
phil labonte
Doesn't matter.
We already talked about that.
Doesn't matter.
sulaiman ahmed
The second thing is he's going at two miles an hour.
And why that's important?
unidentified
Doesn't matter.
sulaiman ahmed
Why that's important is because, for example, I just saw a video yesterday.
Like, Neo-Nick Sortor, me and him came up together on X.
But that being said, so like I like him.
But that being said, there's a video of him literally going faster than that.
Does that mean all their lives are in danger?
They could have just murdered him.
It's craziness.
phil labonte
It doesn't matter.
sulaiman ahmed
It's two miles an hour.
phil labonte
There was no police officer.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but his life in danger.
Your argument is his life was in danger.
phil labonte
No, no.
sulaiman ahmed
What about it?
phil labonte
If there is someone in front of the car, if Nick Shirley's driving down the street, he's not endangering people on the street.
Nick Sorting.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, no, there was people in front of him.
No, so my question to you is this.
phil labonte
But that's not even a problem.
That's also not a police officer.
That's not an officer.
tate brown
I'm just pointing out it's a false equipment.
We're talking about two different people.
sulaiman ahmed
Okay, let me ask you a question.
So if for because you said the cop's life was in danger, if there's a civilian and his one question on the corner, if there's a civilian whose life's in danger, are you allowed to shoot the person?
phil labonte
Yes.
sulaiman ahmed
In defense.
phil labonte
Depending on your argument.
sulaiman ahmed
So based on your argument, when Nick Sawter was driving his car, any of those left-wing people could have shot him.
tate brown
No, because those people were not conducting law enforcement operations.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but your argument isn't whether it's law enforcement.
Your argument is whether it's self-defense.
Whether your life's in danger.
alex stein
No, and I want to make this point as a graduate of the Dallas Citizens Police Academy.
And this is true.
You can look it up.
But in law enforcement training, one of the main things that they teach them is to use your strength.
That is one of the most important things that when you're in a high-tense situation, you do not overreact.
Literally, that is part of the training.
If I'm just looking at it, I would assess that he overreacted a little bit.
I mean, I know he got hit by a car, but it looked like he was still on his feet.
If he would have got knocked off his feet, then I could have been like, oh man, he really was worried.
But he was never off his two feet.
As a matter of fact, I'm saying he had enough of a stable ground.
He shot her right in the head.
And then when she died, he's saying, fucking bitch.
phil labonte
He didn't know that she was dead then, first of all.
Second of all, he just got hit by a car.
alex stein
Why not let them get aid?
I know, but when a doctor came out.
phil labonte
He didn't prevent her from getting aid.
That was other police.
That was other police officers.
I know.
alex stein
Well, if somebody gets shot and you prevent them from getting aid, your job is to protect himself.
phil labonte
Okay, so no, what they were doing is they were protecting the crime scene because the police and fire authorities were there.
The police had their own EMTs and they were on their way down there.
The people that are on the side of the road that are saying, I'm a doctor, you don't know that person.
You don't know what they are.
You don't know what they're doing.
So what you're saying is they should have allowed a bystander to go in contaminated crime scene.
You're not going to do that.
The police will never do that.
alex stein
Contaminated a crime scene.
I mean, somebody's dying in a car.
I think that you would try to do anything to save their life.
phil labonte
But the point is, there were already EMTs on the way down the street, right?
There were already EMTs on the scene.
They would have the EMTs from the police department go down there and say, hey, look, we're going to take care of it because if you let someone else go down there, you actually contaminate crime.
And whether or not, whether or not that is something that we like, that is policy with police departments nationwide.
sulaiman ahmed
How far would the EMTs?
Because none of us saw them.
phil labonte
I don't know.
alex stein
I never saw them either.
phil labonte
That doesn't change the fact that the police will have state officials go to render aid as opposed to bystanders.
Because you don't know.
alex stein
Well, Philip.
phil labonte
If a bystander says, oh, I'm going to go down there and I'm going to help.
You don't know that guy's an actual EMT.
You have no idea who this random person is.
alex stein
What about during the next pandemic?
They say that you can't go to go play in your band because you're not vaccinated.
And then an ICE agent tries to prevent you from doing whatever you legally feel like you could do.
And then they shot you.
Because this is the problem is that we say that in this instant, because she's a libtard, oh, we can celebrate it.
It's not a big deal.
But very easily, this could be turned against us that are either anti-vax or anti-government.
So if you can't see that.
phil labonte
I'm not coming from this.
I'm not coming from this from a political perspective because I'm a gun guy.
I have a gun on me right now.
Okay.
I carry a gun.
I've gone to multiple gun classes.
And the things that you go over in the classes generally are the legalities of what happens if you get into a self-defense situation.
And I'm telling you the policies of the police station or the police department, or actually the feds in this case, but because that is what they're going to go by.
We can pick it apart and say, well, he should have this or that person should have that or look at where her wheels were pointing, blah, blah, blah.
None of that stuff actually matters when it comes to what the feds are going to say.
That's why he hasn't been charged.
He hasn't been charged.
And this is one of the things that I said day one.
I was like, he's not.
He's not charged.
sulaiman ahmed
But when he's not charged, that doesn't provide proof because the claim from the left is the reason he's not being charged because this was state supported.
phil labonte
So it doesn't matter what they claim from the left is because they're going to claim.
They're going to claim that it was the fact that the government did everything wrong in the future.
sulaiman ahmed
But if it was the other way around, you guys would.
If Leslie Biden was in charge, you got to be like, oh, Biden basically is allowing the murder of Republicans.
phil labonte
You can say you guys, because I wasn't one of the guys out there screaming about it.
sulaiman ahmed
And the second point is, when you look at what he did, he shoots, then allegedly the car hits him, and then he shoots maybe two or three times more.
Three times a total.
Okay, so two times more.
So it means, like, for example, his hit clearly wasn't bad enough that he still managed to shoot through the side mirror two more times.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to know about that.
If he's got to explain every bullet, I heard pop, pop, pop, pop, is what I heard.
He shot her once.
She drove and started to drive away, and then he fired three more at her while she was driving away.
Is that to protect so she didn't pull out a gun and turn around and shoot at him?
Is that why he finished?
tate brown
No, it was all within a second.
Like, we're expecting superhuman level.
Like, the entire argument is, like, look, we're not expecting perfection.
Like, of course, every time there's going to be a police-involved shooting, it's not going to be like this beautiful, perfect incident.
Like, these things are messy.
The reality is when you accelerate towards a police officer, you need to understand that they do have the right to return fire because you're using your, you're using your vehicle as a deadly weapon.
ian crossland
If a cop thinks you're coming at him and they shoot you, and then you turn and run away, and they shoot you three more times while you're running away, is that murder?
phil labonte
It all depends on what the situation is.
tate brown
If it was like five seconds gone by, there could be a conversation.
Again, we're talking about like in the space of a second, this is all going on.
phil labonte
To your exact point, if the police, if the police believe that you are going, so if you're running away with a gun, right?
ian crossland
They'll finish you off because they think you could choose a gun.
phil labonte
No, Hold on, let me finish.
If you're running away with a gun, the police can shoot you in the back because there is a reasonable fear that you are going to cause harm to someone else.
ian crossland
And that car is a 2,000-pound bullet.
phil labonte
Hold on, let me finish.
If you don't have a gun, then the police cannot shoot you in the back if you're running away.
If you have a gun, because the situation is, is there a reasonable fear that you're going to harm someone else after the engagement?
unidentified
So is someone driving the car away reasonable?
A reasonable fee was going to even be able to do that.
tate brown
That's why the police shooting with that.
phil labonte
The context I'm talking about with Ian is different from the one that we're talking about.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
With the car, he didn't see the gun.
Wait, hold on, let me finish this.
She didn't see, the cop didn't see a gun.
He had no reason to think that a car driving away from him was going to cause immediate threat to anybody.
So why did he fire those extra three-shots?
He already had decided he's going to kill her.
tate brown
A car that's being pursued by the police, that's why they have pit maneuvers.
Because, again, a car on the loose, you know, being pursued by police, that is going to be considered a threat against the public.
And that's why the police have the authority to conduct pit maneuvers.
So if you're going to say, well, he has zero right whatsoever, again, this is all in the space of a second.
So I think this is a moot point anyway.
But even in that instance, then you have to be against like pit maneuvers.
I mean, these are things that the police do.
ian crossland
You're shooting the driver in the head.
That's different.
It's still like, there's still a threat of way to definitely get them.
tate brown
Pit maneuver is absolutely lethal.
ian crossland
It is intended to be non-lethal.
You're supposed to run their car off the road and arrest them with a pit maneuver.
If you want to kill him, you could kill him.
tate brown
The pit maneuvers are done at like 60 miles per hour.
Yeah, the police are making the calculations to probably kill them or severely incapacitate.
alex stein
The purpose of the tape is to your point.
They actually make it in some states, it's not, you're actually not, cops are not even legally allowed to chase people on motorcycles because they don't want the person to die on the motorcycle.
tate brown
Yeah, I know.
alex stein
So you got somebody, a serious felony crime, but they're on a motorcycle and they don't want to chase him so that person dies.
So why do they try to respect his life in that situation, but we don't respect Renee's good life?
tate brown
Well, it's more about the point of these operations are about incapacitation.
So you're trying to incapacitate the criminal in whatever manner that's going to be.
alex stein
Well, kill, though, right?
You're supposed to do it in a non-lethal way.
tate brown
No, you need to do whatever you can do to incapacitate the criminal, whether that's death, whether it's not.
That's besides the point.
The point is.
alex stein
Well, wouldn't you say that they should err on the side of non-lethal?
phil labonte
No, because this is the shoot him-in-the-leg argument that you're making.
You can't, when you're using a gun in a defensive situation, you shoot to stop the threat.
You don't shoot to.
alex stein
Well, then why didn't you shoot your tire out?
phil labonte
Well, why didn't you shoot him in the leg?
unidentified
I mean, that would have ramboated probabilities of the point is that is well, when you choose to be a cop, and I know you're not going to be able to do that.
phil labonte
No police officer.
alex stein
But I don't think anybody's asking him to be superhuman.
I just think that if you just look at it, and I get it, everybody can watch the same clip and have a different interpretation of it.
It's like if you're standing across the room from somebody and I draw a six, it's going to look like a nine to somebody else.
So people can look at the same exact thing and have a totally different interpretation of it.
But when it comes down to it, Tim Dylan did say it best.
This is an ICE agent.
This guy's like basically a fake cop.
You know what I mean?
He probably signed on for the $50,000 bonus.
I don't know how much time he spent.
How much time did he spend in this?
phil labonte
He deployed to Iraq.
Even yours.
unidentified
So you got a guy with PTSD.
phil labonte
No, no, no.
You're just giving him PTSD.
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
He's been a kid.
Have you ever seen that?
No, that's not.
phil labonte
It is not true that everybody's.
To answer my question, if you're not going to be able to do that, Caleb Hammer's not going to be able to do that.
alex stein
What happens whenever he has a military vet on?
unidentified
What do they say?
They're on disability.
alex stein
Every veteran is on disability.
You can look it up.
Over 90% of veterans are not going to be able to do it.
unidentified
If you've been to a disability, so he has PTSD.
phil labonte
No, I'm not saying that.
unidentified
I'm making it fun of you.
No, I can't.
Look it up.
I'm just saying.
alex stein
The majority of people that go serve in the military, they get disability for the rest of their life.
Why do they say that?
Because they say that they were near a bomb and they have PTSD.
So that's even worse.
So we're giving a guy a gun that probably was shot at, that probably does have some damage.
unidentified
And so now he's shot at the same time.
He's totally fabrication.
alex stein
And really, it's something that's not a problem.
unidentified
It's a total fabrication.
Totally fabrication.
sulaiman ahmed
He had additional PTSD because six months earlier, what he did was there was a criminal whose window he smashed into.
He smashed into the guy's window and then the guy drove off and dragged him around the street and he had a lot of injuries.
So he already added PTSD from that as well.
And I think that's why he acted in a kind of injury.
tate brown
So you're thinking this ICE agent is scared of a car driving at him because he's a drug.
unidentified
Yeah, it's like two miles an hour right now.
tate brown
Everybody's got a scared of a car driver.
phil labonte
Does he have PTSD and he was afraid or was it not?
unidentified
Which one is it?
sulaiman ahmed
So he had PTSD.
He shouldn't have been that.
It was irrational to be fearful of a two-mile an hour.
unidentified
So you're saying, this reminds me of that time I got hit by a car.
You just admitted that he's not a two-year-old.
I would not be afraid of the city.
tate brown
You should be in two trains.
unidentified
Run right on the train.
alex stein
How about answer this question?
If he was just totally justified, why didn't other ICE agents shoot at the car?
tate brown
Because he was the one that was in the car.
alex stein
There was no other way to get there.
unidentified
He wasn't in front of the car.
alex stein
Oh, so he's not allowed to mitigate the threat?
So the other cop's not allowed to mitigate the guy.
unidentified
Because the whole argument is based on that.
alex stein
Oh, so you're telling me another cop couldn't protect another cop?
Is that what you're saying?
That's illegal.
tate brown
I'm making the argument of the city.
alex stein
No, you're retarded.
No, what I'm saying is if you're a cop, you're supposed to enforce the law.
So if you see another cop potentially getting hit by a car, you pull out your gun and you can shoot him.
And he would be just as justified as the person that's getting hit by the car because he's a law enforcement agent.
So if you're going to tell me that a cop can't prevent somebody, another cop from dying, you're wrong.
phil labonte
That doesn't make the guy that's in front of the car.
That doesn't mean that he's not allowed to use force.
alex stein
I know, but I'm saying, why didn't the other guy start shooting as well?
phil labonte
I don't know, but just because the other guy didn't start shooting doesn't mean that the guy that's actually in front of the car doesn't have the right to use force.
ian crossland
You know, Suluman, you said that the car is going to two miles an hour.
I think it's important to realize the car was accelerating at the guy.
So he didn't know how fast it was going to hit him at, and it was a couple of thousand pounds.
And it's like if you flag a cop with your gun, you pull out a gun and you wave it past him, he's going to shoot and kill you.
It doesn't matter.
That's accelerating a car towards a cop is flagging them with a gun.
unidentified
But Ian, he wasn't accelerating towards her first time.
alex stein
He fell down, though.
phil labonte
He was in front of the car.
alex stein
I know, but the car went so slow, it didn't even knock him off his feet.
phil labonte
I wasn't referring to you.
I was referring to the colours.
alex stein
I'm just saying, he didn't even fall on the ground.
ian crossland
And when you flag a cop, you didn't even shoot him with a bullet.
You didn't even intend to.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but you got a gun.
This one, she was just driving off.
And he actually came from the unside because he came from the right.
So it's highly likely she didn't even see him.
unidentified
That means she shoots right at him in the video.
tate brown
If you look at the shots.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
Sorry, she was dead.
tate brown
And then when the first shot was fired, his tires were not going to be awesome.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, Yeah, you're right.
unidentified
She didn't see her again.
sulaiman ahmed
But she turned the sorry, I meant she turned the wheel.
tate brown
She was turning the wheel as the shot, but when the shot was.
unidentified
No, she turned the fest.
sulaiman ahmed
She turned the fastest.
tate brown
When the first shot was fired, you can look in the video.
The tires are pointed directly forward.
ian crossland
The cop doesn't see the wheels.
The cop is looking at her.
sulaiman ahmed
What happens is skids, and then basically she turns it to the right, but the wheel she's turning right from the beginning, top of the wheel, not the actual wheel, but the actual shot.
phil labonte
Getting into the granular things like where the wheels are pointed doesn't matter.
He was in front of the car and he felt like she was going to hit him because the car was coming at him.
That is what justifies a use of force.
Like all of the other stuff, like all this, like, you know, why didn't this guy do this and what happened?
sulaiman ahmed
For two miles an hour.
phil labonte
And what you're saying is, I'm going to say it again.
He felt like he was in danger.
And so he used force.
That's how the law is written.
sulaiman ahmed
And based on what you're saying, right?
Because we have just already had this conversation.
If a normal civilian feels like they're in danger, he accepted you can also shoot.
You're saying in Minnesota now, people like Nick Soto, when they're using their car in the same manner, they all could be shot.
Only a human could be shot.
phil labonte
In a use of force, listen, no, in a use of force situation, the person that is defending themselves does make the decision as to if they believe they are in threat of death or serious bodily injury.
tate brown
Just because there's a difference between a mob surrounding a car and chucking stuff out at trying to reach to the windows, break the windows.
There's a difference between that and an actual law enforcement operation.
But two completely different situations.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, but the situation is different, but the similarity of the same thing is where you believe that your life is in danger.
That's the point I'm holding in.
tate brown
Right, if you're standing in front of a car and Nick Sortor stomps in the accelerator, then yes, you shoot him.
But if you're with a mob attacking his car and then he accelerates, that's not a self-defense situation.
sulaiman ahmed
If there's more than two people you engaged in it, so if there's more than one, but the police engage as well, but if there's more than one person in front of the car, then it's no longer your life's in threat.
tate brown
No, if you're in a mob attacking a car.
alex stein
Let me ask you this question.
Was Ashley Babbitt, was her death, was it justified?
tate brown
So I don't, this is Phil.
I don't know the intricate question.
I don't know the intricacies.
sulaiman ahmed
It's a very good question.
It's a very good question, but she's asking me.
unidentified
No, he should actually not aim.
alex stein
This is my problem.
ian crossland
This is my problem.
phil labonte
I can't see.
alex stein
You're not smart enough to realize that what's happening with ICE can be done to you.
sulaiman ahmed
It can happen to you.
alex stein
It doesn't matter if you're a libtard.
It doesn't matter if you're conservative.
The government can do something wrong to you.
So the government's not perfect.
That ICE age is not perfect.
And we should be held to a higher standard as a law enforcement.
Okay, but was Ashley Babbitt justified to be murdered?
phil labonte
So she was going into a place that she shouldn't be.
The cop was actually justified in shooting.
alex stein
Okay, you're a piece of shit.
I mean, there you go.
I'm just saying.
sulaiman ahmed
But this is not a good idea.
I'll give him credit.
No, I'll give him credit.
unidentified
I'll give you credit.
I'll give you a good idea.
He's consistent and consistent.
alex stein
I don't think Ashley's sheared and dead.
unidentified
I think Ashley should be a little bit of a bad.
I heard Ashley Babbitt, but I'll kill that bitch.
Kill that bitch.
alex stein
Just shoot another one.
phil labonte
Or like pull the cars off for a second.
Okay, do the dance and yell.
She's shooting white women.
Well, listen, the point is, you asked me, was the cop justified?
And by the standard of the law, yes.
Do I think that she should have been?
No.
But yes, by the legal standard, Ashley Babbitt, it was a justified shooting.
She didn't have a weapon.
She wasn't doing something aggressively, so I don't think he should have, but it was justified, just like in the situation with law enforcement in Minneapolis, they were justified.
I'm telling you by the law, I think that the cop was right.
So this is my opinion, was right to shoot the woman in the car, but I don't think the cop was right to shoot Ashley Babbitt because he just said you didn't know.
No, no, let me finish.
I said, by the law, not my opinion.
I told you.
alex stein
So they're both legally justified.
phil labonte
They're both legally justified.
My opinion is different.
I think that Ashley Babbitt was different because Ashley Babbitt, he couldn't see if she had any weapons on her and she did not.
Okay.
sulaiman ahmed
So the car is all wet.
But in Jan 6, there was people who were aggressive.
Remember, they were on walkie-talkies.
For example, one guy who I had a debate with, Jake Lang, literally had a baseball bat and he was smashing people.
alex stein
By that standard.
sulaiman ahmed
So that means, would you think if I would say he's probably got more of a chance of believing from these guys?
phil labonte
By that standard.
No, we're going to be taking it.
No, by that standard, it would be justified.
If that was actually your standard, and I'm not saying that this is the standard that we should go or by that standard, it would be justified to all the people down with a machine gun that were in the hallway.
And no, no, that's not.
Because, again, Ashley Babbitt was trying to go through the window.
She put her head through.
Now, she may not have been trying to climb through or whatever.
unidentified
Maybe she was.
sulaiman ahmed
She was climbing through.
phil labonte
But she put her head through the window into a secured area.
That's why legally, not my opinion, legally, it was.
sulaiman ahmed
How was the window smashed?
phil labonte
I don't know.
sulaiman ahmed
The window smashed then.
You're thinking window smashed up.
Someone comes through.
Like, I'm saying, if you be consistent, which you are, you're basically legally they were justified, but I don't say the kind of opinion.
I don't see the disconnect.
phil labonte
My opinion is because you couldn't see if she had a weapon in her hand.
sulaiman ahmed
And so, but then that's according to your opinion of the first one.
That would be good enough to be a threat.
That you don't know, like, the mob's attacking her.
phil labonte
No, windows.
sulaiman ahmed
She comes through.
She might have a weapon on her.
phil labonte
No, no, because if you can't see that she has a weapon, the one in Minnesota, the car is the weapon.
So she obviously has a weapon.
She's behind the wheel of a car.
She's in control of the weapon.
The one when it comes to Ashley Babbitt, she's only putting her head through and he shoots her in the neck.
So you can't see if she has anything in her hands or if she has a weapon.
So that's the difference.
sulaiman ahmed
So your position is if a mob is attacking you or one person from a mob attacks you, then you can only shoot if you see a weapon.
phil labonte
If they're attacking you, you can shoot to defend yourself, but they're attacking you.
That's the difference.
sulaiman ahmed
Well, that's what the police thought, didn't he?
That's why he shot.
phil labonte
There was standoff distance.
He didn't know that she was attacking him.
Anyways, I don't want to sit there and pick apart the Ashley Babbitt thing.
unidentified
That's pointless.
That's like this is a very important thing.
tate brown
I think I'm justified in not having a position because it happened like four years ago.
And then we're comparing it to something that happened last year.
alex stein
You have opinions on stuff that is much older than four years.
tate brown
I know, but this is a specific shooting from four years.
I was like a freshman in college.
I don't, I wasn't there.
I'm sure if I was a political activist.
alex stein
None of us were there.
tate brown
I'm sure if I was politically active at the time, I would have like a hot take on it.
alex stein
But you just didn't have an opinion on it because you're young when that happened.
tate brown
I'm just thinking, I mean, if he had legal activity, do you have an opinion on the Holocaust?
unidentified
Yeah, I do.
tate brown
I have some very good idea.
alex stein
I was just saying, you weren't alive there, and you got some hot takes on there.
So, I mean, it's just like, well, let's not act naivete because you want to try to, oh, you have to pretend to be MAGA or else you're going to get in trouble.
It's like, you can actually just say how you feel.
You don't have to worry about it.
tate brown
I legitimately don't know anything about the Ashley Babbitt case.
alex stein
So you have no opinion whatsoever?
tate brown
I mean, I kind of take Phil's position.
If he had a legal use of force, then he had legal use of force.
I mean, what are you going to do about it?
alex stein
I guess what it comes down to is I'm just worried the government overstepping how much power they have.
unidentified
I get that.
phil labonte
Well, I literally get that.
If that's what you're worried about, I have good news for you.
They're gonna, and they've got all the guns.
alex stein
I know.
That's why the Second Amendment is so important.
But I just, you know, I guess when it comes to this incident, I do think that he was probably justified in shooting one time.
Then he shot four times.
And then after, and he calls her a fucking bitch.
I thought that's a little unnecessary.
It shows that he was actually very angry.
And you guys say he got hit by this dangerous car.
He never even fell on the ground.
So people getting punched in the face get hit harder.
tate brown
You can see his feet skid back because it's on ice.
alex stein
Yeah, but he didn't even lose his balance.
He never lost his balance.
So he got hit so hard that it didn't even knock him off.
tate brown
There's this like a very, like, almost the exact same situation happened in Baltimore like three months ago when the lady got completely crushed by the wheel.
alex stein
But I'm saying he didn't.
I know, but that might have heard, but he did not.
tate brown
Because he didn't know if he was going to have to.
alex stein
He barely got dinked and then was able to scoot around, get in a shooting stance and blow the girl's brains out between her eyes.
tate brown
He did with like one hand and his feet were standing.
alex stein
And he was holding a cell phone at the same time.
So he was, listen, he had a cell phone in one hand, a gun in the other.
He's getting hit by a car that's going so fast that he didn't get knocked off.
tate brown
Is he supposed to hit a tire then?
alex stein
No, I'm saying he probably shouldn't have shot.
He probably shouldn't have hit his gun.
unidentified
He's got a guy sent to school.
tate brown
We're expecting like James Bond levels of management.
phil labonte
He's just running interference for the future.
tate brown
No, I'm not trying to run intersections.
phil labonte
That's what you should say.
unidentified
360 ladder stalls.
alex stein
I'm running interference now for libtards because I don't think a guy that didn't know health on his feet shouldn't have blown some lesbian's head off.
I mean, give me a freaking break.
sulaiman ahmed
Who's got three children?
alex stein
I'm anti-violence.
Like, I'm not one of these people that's ever going to cheer for somebody dying.
I think dying is bad.
I think when people kill people, it's a tragedy.
It doesn't sound like it.
unidentified
I've never, once I've never really disappeared, a lot of people are.
alex stein
A lot of people are not going to be able to do that.
tate brown
I'm not here to defend those people.
I'm just here to say we shouldn't just throw this guy in jail for self-defense.
alex stein
I didn't say she got to jail.
sulaiman ahmed
There should be an independent inquiry.
That's the thing.
There should be an independent FAC inquiry.
tate brown
I mean, they'll find the same thing.
It's literally a signal.
sulaiman ahmed
That's fine, but right now it looks like state-sanctioned murder.
phil labonte
No, it's not.
sulaiman ahmed
I mean, you believe that, but that's what it looks like.
alex stein
I'm just worried because there's going to be another pandemic.
There's going to be another time that they lock us down where we disagree.
sulaiman ahmed
This is definitely going to happen.
alex stein
And maybe it's not an ICE agent, but it could be a Department of Homeland Security.
It could be martial law in our own city.
And I don't want to live in a city.
tate brown
I think the left, like, the way that they use force is depending on what the right used.
alex stein
No, but I'm saying.
sulaiman ahmed
It's escalation.
unidentified
It's escalation.
It's not.
phil labonte
Oh, actually, I actually wrote this down.
To your point earlier, and I wanted to get back to this.
You mentioned how they were carrying this out, right?
And it was because of Donald Trump and JD Vance were escalating.
That escalation is what brought it back to my mind.
unidentified
Oh, that's it.
phil labonte
So that was one of the first things you said.
If that were the case, then why is that cities like Memphis and New Orleans, who have police forces that work with the administration, have no riots like this, right?
So the police force doesn't inhibit the federal government from doing its job.
They don't have the mayor and the governor getting out saying, we need to be out there and resist and blah, blah, blah.
It would be my opinion that the reason that this is happening is because the governments in the states and the cities are not helping the federal government because they're sanctuary cities.
That, I mean, that's illegal in the first place.
There is no right for a city to be a sanctuary city and to ignore federal law.
They're supposed to help.
So if your point actually held water, then Memphis and New Orleans and other cities that have had ICE go in and help and remove illegals.
Those places wouldn't have had smooth operations that you didn't hear about on the news.
sulaiman ahmed
So actually, what you said actually adds to the argument that this is a possibility because in reality, if you've got the mayor who's against you, you've got people in authority who's against you, you've got Waltz against you, you've basically got a standoff between the two, and then it does become a politicized situation.
Now it's just become left v right.
There's a battle.
Everyone's going out on the left and protesting.
Everyone's going on the right.
No one sees it anymore.
phil labonte
No one's going out on the right and protesting.
sulaiman ahmed
You've got reporters, you've got Nick Sartre and a few people.
phil labonte
So they're opinion journalists, but they're not out there protesting.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, but they're escalating the situation is what I'm trying to say.
So in reality, when I say the other side, you've got ICE and reporters.
We're escalating the situation.
unidentified
And so in reality, ICE is a fight between the left and right.
sulaiman ahmed
And the reason they want that is because of this separation.
They want people to be able to do it.
phil labonte
This does not have to be political.
There have been...
unidentified
It's been politicized with a lot of people.
phil labonte
No, Listen, no, this is not.
unidentified
It's not political than the vice president.
phil labonte
This does not have to be unpresidential.
It does not have to be political because there was a time in the United States where the entire country agreed that we didn't allow illegal aliens to just come and stay in the country.
unidentified
And I agree with that, but not murdering people.
sulaiman ahmed
Everyone agrees about the illegalism.
phil labonte
No, everyone doesn't agree.
unidentified
They don't agree anymore.
sulaiman ahmed
He said everyone here agrees with me about the American people.
unidentified
But the people that are making America are not abolished ICE.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, that's fine.
There are people who abolish ICE.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying this issue isn't solely about immigration.
The larger issue is that they believe on the left.
I know you guys are on the right, but they believe that this is state-sanctioned murder.
So you need to get out of your kind of MAGA box and see what the other situation is.
phil labonte
But it doesn't matter what this is.
Because they're just going to say that no matter what.
unidentified
Look, they called Donald Trump.
They weren't the president of the New York Times.
phil labonte
No, they were calling Donald Trump a Nazi before he did anything.
George Bush was a Nazi.
Mitt Romney, they called a Nazi.
The most vanilla conservative.
sulaiman ahmed
Anyone who disagrees with you is a commie on the left.
Like, everyone does it.
You're both.
phil labonte
Listen, deflecting from the point doesn't change.
sulaiman ahmed
It's not demonstrating that you do the same thing.
phil labonte
No, it's not.
It's not the same thing at all because the left has been, like I said, the left called Mitt Romney the most vanilla politician in America, the most inoffensive conservative there is.
They called him a Nazi when he was running.
unidentified
They called John McCaze.
And you guys call him a Roger a leftist.
phil labonte
They called John McCain.
They called John McCain a Nazi.
And then when Donald Trump came on the scene, they were like, oh, we love John McCain.
They don't believe the things that they say.
sulaiman ahmed
You guys literally do the same thing.
For example, you guys call Momdani an Islamist when he believes in LGBTQ and all these kind of left and liberal war things.
unidentified
Correctionality.
I called Mamdani Brown.
tate brown
That's much different.
unidentified
Yeah, that's you, but I don't know.
I want to make this point too.
ian crossland
They call Mamdani a communist.
It's pretty discouraging.
phil labonte
And if they call him a communist community, if someone is a member of the DSA, if someone is a member of the DSA, is it out of bounds to call them a communist?
Democratic Socialists of America.
sulaiman ahmed
They're not communists now.
Socialism is different to communism.
phil labonte
Only because the goal of socialism is communism.
sulaiman ahmed
No, it's not.
You couldn't.
unidentified
Lenin said that.
phil labonte
What are you talking about?
unidentified
What?
phil labonte
Lenin said, Vladimir Lenin said the goal of socialism is communism.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, that's what Lennon.
ian crossland
Lenin doesn't speak for socialism.
That was his idea.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, that was his own position.
And you've got different forms of communism as well.
But the point being, socialism is a very different structure to communism.
phil labonte
That's like saying that Hitler doesn't speak for Nazism.
unidentified
If Hitler said something, it's okay to not say it's not.
phil labonte
No, it's not.
If Hitler said something, it is reasonable to say the Nazis say, right?
And if someone says, I'm a national socialist, it's reasonable to say, well, you're a Nazi.
sulaiman ahmed
For example, my friends, like Jackson Hinkle, a part of the ACC, the American President.
Jackson Hinkle.
That's communism.
unidentified
You're socialist.
Yeah, he's a legend.
phil labonte
He's not a legend.
ian crossland
No, I like him.
unidentified
No, no, no, I didn't know you were one of these guys.
sulaiman ahmed
Future president.
Future president.
tate brown
Jackson Inkel's.
He's going to get bombed in Yemen.
sulaiman ahmed
If the Zayas let him in, there'll be Fuente Jackson Hinkle and a future presidential.
alex stein
Jackson Inkel is being held back.
sulaiman ahmed
By anyway, that's a communist, American Communist Party, not like a DSA.
alex stein
When we talk about communism, what do you think is going to happen in the midterm, so?
Do you think that it's going to go the Republicans away or do you think it's going to go?
tate brown
I think the Democrats will probably get the edge.
alex stein
I think they'll get the House and the Senate.
tate brown
I think they'll get the House.
I think the Republicans will hold the Senate.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Just based on, because polling is actually pretty accurate, despite what a lot of people in the audience believe.
It's like, no, actually, polling overcomes vibes on the bank.
alex stein
And we think it's just a guarantee that JD Vance is going to be the next president.
But what happens if we get a president of the United States?
What happens if we get president AOC?
tate brown
It would be bad.
I mean, it'd be bad either way.
I don't think they're going for retribution.
I think they're going for total victory.
And so I don't think it matters what we do.
They're going to enact the same policies no matter what.
alex stein
No, but I'm saying, when the people that we don't like are in power, they can use the federal government to come after us like they did during the pandemic or like they did on January 6th.
And that's, I guess, what I'm saying.
It's not that I'm against Rene Goode or for Renee Goode or against the cop or for the cop.
I can just see that this being used against us on the other side.
And I can see how they flip the script.
So that's why when we cheer this on, we're cheering on our own demise.
tate brown
Well, no, they're going to use power anyway because they want to win and they want it more than we do.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but they'll use escalation.
They'll use escalation.
So when you guys are escalating anyway, when you guys are supporting state-sanctioned murder, they're going to be like, okay, we can do worse than that.
phil labonte
It doesn't matter what the left says because they're going to say the most extreme thing about the conservatives.
Anyways, if your argument is we should not exercise power because the left is going to exercise power, you have to get past that because they're going to exercise power regardless of what you're doing.
No, my position is.
No, I'm not allowed to go.
sulaiman ahmed
My position is neither the left or the right should be exercising dystopian power because when that happens, you lose your right.
phil labonte
It's not about dystopian.
ian crossland
The first thing I thought was if a cop puts his hand on my hood of my car and I touch my gas pedal, he has a right to shoot me and everyone's like, yep.
I'm like, well, that's fucking crazy.
tate brown
Why would you do that?
ian crossland
Why would you watch five years?
I'm driving down the road and a guy walks out on the street and he put his hand on my car.
He's like, this is an official zone.
We're studying a crime.
And I'm like, who are you?
He's like, don't move your car.
phil labonte
And I'm like, show me a badge.
He's like, don't move your car.
ian crossland
Now I can't touch my gas.
And you're not going to be able to get a random.
phil labonte
You're changing the context so much where it's not.
I'm voting against escalation because it's not right.
ian crossland
This is a contingent possibility of escalation.
phil labonte
No.
ian crossland
Random dudes walking out in the middle of the road with their AR.
phil labonte
Ian, Ian, it's not random dudes.
Those guys were clearly identified as ICE.
ian crossland
As a new form of military branch or some heavily militarized form of political.
phil labonte
You keep changing the militia.
You're changing the context.
She knew they were.
First of all, she knew they were.
Second of all, if there's a police officer that says police or says ICE and they all wear very clear identification that says they're ICE.
ian crossland
So if I do watch that with someone, she's a clear band.
unidentified
She's an American citizen.
sulaiman ahmed
She's an American citizen.
So she's probably thinking ICE probably doesn't have any authority on this.
tate brown
ICE is like Gestapo.
unidentified
Exactly.
tate brown
Right.
phil labonte
It doesn't matter what she's saying.
sulaiman ahmed
But it's not for American citizens.
She's probably thinking as an American citizen, she can do that, but they're going after the city.
tate brown
No, no, no.
She thinks ICE are literally like a Gestapo going around, like they're some sort of Nazi death.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, against illegals.
tate brown
No, against everyone.
That's the messaging that they get.
sulaiman ahmed
Well, now it is because she's murdered an American citizen.
tate brown
No, they trust me, they believe that ICE are these just like loose cannons and they're these crazy Trump death squad megatrons or whatever, which would be kind of base against illegals.
phil labonte
But to your point, Ian, like you can't change the context of what happened.
If there's someone that doesn't have anything, any identifying markers, and they come out and put their hand on your car and you speed away, no one is going to say you did anything wrong because they don't have any identification.
ian crossland
What if your shirt says police on it?
phil labonte
If the shirt says police, like if it just says, what do you mean?
Is it like an official?
ian crossland
What do I mean?
What if they have a badge and a shirt that says policia on it or whatever the shirt?
What if they identify they look like a cop?
phil labonte
If they're dressed like a police officer, you should probably do what they're saying.
alex stein
There are cop impersonators that people like just people over that have fake cop stuff.
ian crossland
What if it's a local militia, man?
unidentified
Like, think five years in the future of what you know, you gotta because we're not dealing with hypotheticals.
tate brown
We're dealing with women driving cars.
It's already like, okay, what if, you know, what if they like develop laser guns and then like start evaporating illegals?
It's like, well, I'd be base, one, but two.
sulaiman ahmed
No, it wouldn't be base.
Like, what to evaporate illegals?
unidentified
This is what I mean.
You're right-wing.
phil labonte
We're making a joke.
We're making fun of the college.
We're making fun of it.
ian crossland
So, I mean, you said that at the top of the show, you said that this operation, this whole removing the illegal, you agreed that illegal immigration wasn't good.
I think you had to do it.
sulaiman ahmed
That's for the work.
ian crossland
I asked for the working group.
We need to either stop trying to get rid of them or do it harshly.
What was the word you used?
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, usually the tough measures, because what's happened at the moment is what they've done is they've fermented, they've allowed this incident to occur.
Now he may not bring the National Guard in, then he'll bring it in, and then things will escalate.
And what's happened is that you've allowed this major escalation to occur by doing it so slowly in a very small escalation manner, like a little bit and a little bit and a little bit.
I think the way he should have dealt with this, saying, look, I'm targeting this city.
I'm going in harsh.
All these people are going to go in.
Whereas the ICE and National Guard, whoever it is, will find all the illegal immigrants, will bring them in, and will be very tough that people can't go there and protest.
You can't have this escalation that occurs.
And you just go into the city and you completely sort the issue out.
You know, this escalation factor is that what happens is things ferment.
And when things ferment, they become worse, worse, worse, worse.
And now you lose control.
And then it's like, for example, you know how a father ends up hitting the kid because the kid's not listening.
But you already got in that situation because you didn't put the rules and requirements in first.
You weren't tough in the past.
ian crossland
So when you say harsh, like when I think harsh, I mean, are you talking about martial law?
sulaiman ahmed
It's a very good question.
Not martial law, no.
But what I mean is you would basically, let's just take one city as an example.
You'd go into, let's say, Florida.
There'll be a specific area in Florida, whatever the area that there's a lot of illegal immigrants.
I don't know what it is.
And then you'd basically send in ICE and the National Guard, immediately go in, find everyone, do the operation in a very small period of time.
You don't even have time to get the protests and the gatherings done.
You completely sort the whole issue out in a very systemized way.
tate brown
It means escalation much more than just expecting local authorities to collaborate with the federal government.
I said that would contribute to a much higher degree of escalation than if we just expect these local authorities to collaborate with the federal government.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, I think I see what you're saying, but it's just that fermenting part, isn't it?
Because what's happened now is what I predicted.
But why was this escalation that was going to occur?
Now what you'll see is even more protesters are going to be coming.
Even more people, now Trump's going to send in the National Guard, then they'll send more protesters.
Then Trump might be the Insurrection Act.
It's going to be, that's just escalation.
tate brown
Why is the impetus on the federal government to disengage when it's the local authorities that are not collaborating with the federal government, not collaborating with the law that, again, the president is sort of trying to enact here?
sulaiman ahmed
Do you mean engage or disengage?
tate brown
Well, I'm saying, why is the impetus on the right in the President Trump and the USA?
alex stein
You know, some states believe they have state rights.
The same reason why the federal government has marijuana is illegal, but in some places it's illegal.
So sometimes the states and the government can disagree.
phil labonte
There's nowhere where it's legal for illegals to come in.
tate brown
We're trying to conduct a federal operation.
So why is the impetus on us to disengage?
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, no, I didn't say disengage.
I said the opposite.
tate brown
I know, I agree with you.
I think Trump should go way harder.
You're saying, if the goal is to mitigate escalation, no, no, I fear that situation.
sulaiman ahmed
So, if you're talking about this specific shooting of Renee Goode, I'm saying that was handled really badly because you had the vice president, the president, come in and basically in support of the guy without an investigation.
What would have been smart, basically, management, which is what the president is, is basically to say, look, we're going to look into it.
This is the information we've got.
There's going to be an independent inquiry.
Then the left acting mentor would have actually made them look mental.
Right now, no matter what you say, because you guys are in your kind of like right-wing echo chamber, both sides, the left, do think this is a state-sanctioned murder.
And you guys are like, yeah, she got murdered because she was going to murder him with a weapon.
So, whatever it may be, this is major escalation.
alex stein
I want to make this point there, real quick.
I just want to make this point.
So, when it came down to this specific thing, I don't think this, you know, Renee Good's death was planned, but the people that are really in power, whether you want to call it the deep state, they knew there's been multiple deaths now.
Portland, two people died.
I think there was another person that got choked to death.
They knew when they put the federal government and they put ICE in these cities that there was going to be something that happens, like a George Floyd-esque situation.
They love that this is happening.
They love that we're fighting about it, especially after Charlie's death, where all the left cheered that on, and now you have all these right, you know, right-landing people cheering on her, you know, Renee Good's death.
It just shows the hypocrisy in the situation, and this is all done on purpose in order to divide us.
And if we can't see that, and I would say have just kind of a, I mean, you don't want to admit it, but I'm saying, I guess, have a neutral take on this, then you're just kind of feeding into the propaganda.
tate brown
My question would be: why would the deep state be in favor of immigration?
alex stein
Because they want more federal government control.
They want more ICA.
sulaiman ahmed
They want to put Palantir in place.
They want to put a social credit system.
tate brown
For the last 60 years, every deep state sort of incentive structure has been put behind mass migration.
alex stein
Well, of course, exactly.
In order to divide us and to make our country have, you know, I guess.
Agreed.
No, you know, Germany or a hegemon or whatever you want to call it.
tate brown
Like, the more diverse society gets, it's actually easier for ruling powers.
It's like a homogenous society is actually what it's about anarchy.
sulaiman ahmed
It's causing anarchy in the country.
It's causing chaos.
And therefore, what this does is ferments that.
Then you have basically these, I know you think it's whatever, but then you have these extra like palantir.
You have these other situated things where people are being tracked, people are being checked.
Then you have social credit score for your safety.
When things get worse, what happens is you manufacture, you know how COVID, hold on.
Everyone got manufactured consent.
People, when someone tells you someone on the left and someone on the right, guess what?
You're going to be murdered.
Like the best way to be able not to die on the streets is to allow them to do that.
phil labonte
Hold on a second.
You guys remember Jordan Peterson, right?
Everybody knows Jordan Peterson.
unidentified
Yes.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, he's left.
phil labonte
One of the things that he did.
One of the points that he made that enough.
One of the things that he said was like, hey, you know, people have inherent opinions, right?
Like, they're really based on their personality.
unidentified
He wasn't.
phil labonte
I definitely do.
I've always been pretty right-wing.
Even when I was a libertarian, I was a right-wing libertarian, right?
And so the idea that there needs to be this top-down division, I think that's totally wrong.
Even in the French Revolution.
unidentified
Yes.
Let me divide.
Let me divide and conquer.
phil labonte
Let me divide it.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
You guys made your point.
Let me finish.
The point that I'm making is people are inherently right-wing or left-wing generally.
Like, people do have a certain, you don't think that the people who are.
unidentified
I would disagree.
alex stein
I would say that we're more populous country.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex stein
Yeah.
I don't think people are in the middle.
sulaiman ahmed
The average person would probably be a normal person if they weren't manipulated by group would have a mixed left.
phil labonte
No, I don't think so at all.
I think that there are people, because you go and look back at the French Revolution, right?
The people very easily split between the people that wanted revolutionary change, which is like the Jacobins and the people on the left, and the people that said, no, we need to stick with tradition.
There are people that just have these kind of opinions.
And so they got powerful.
Hold on, hold on.
alex stein
What's this bitch doing?
I'm starving.
unidentified
Let's just go to the house.
phil labonte
Hold on.
alex stein
I mean, that's totally different.
phil labonte
Hold on.
There were peasants that did side with the left, and there were peasants that sided with the right.
alex stein
They retarded peasants.
phil labonte
I'm serious.
I mean, it was a long time ago.
sulaiman ahmed
Just right now.
alex stein
Well, shit, they went out.
phil labonte
Listen, listen.
I'm not saying that there aren't people that benefit from the division in the U.S.
And there are people that will foment it because they want to see certain ends.
But the idea that if it wasn't for the people above kind of pulling the strings that we wouldn't have division, I totally disagree, particularly when you have a country like ours that is basically multicultural nowadays.
alex stein
Well, no, you are activistic for sure, but I would say that our tribes do get along.
phil labonte
That it's not, I disagree.
I disagree.
tate brown
That's definitely not true.
alex stein
No, you disagree.
You can't even be friends with a leftist.
tate brown
It's not about friends, but we're talking about national-level cultural cohesion.
It's just not possible.
Everywhere you look on planet Earth, multicultural, diverse societies are dysfunctional.
Singapore is maybe the only exception.
alex stein
Yeah, so it's not impossible to have a cohesive.
tate brown
Well, Singapore requires extreme authoritarianism, which you've said you're against.
alex stein
I am against it, but I'm just saying, I just think that what is being done is a coordinated attack on us so that we're fighting each other, so that we don't actually solve our problems.
When you see our government, we have a uniparty.
What was it?
45 senators just voted to give 300 million to Planned Parenthood, but they call themselves conservative and they want to go kill babies and give to these left-wing organizations.
It's all a lie.
phil labonte
How do you agree on that?
alex stein
Well, I'm saying these politicians, it's all fake, Tate.
I know, I'm just telling you, it's a uniparty, and we get the impression that it's right-wing versus left-wing Macho Man, Randy Savage versus Hulk Hogan, and it's all bullshit because they're on the same team because they're going to the locker room at the end of the day, and they're having a beer together, and they're laughing because they get all the money.
And that's why Elaine Omar goes into office, has $100,000 in her bank account, and now she's got $30 million.
That's why Dan Crenshaw has become rich being a politician.
These people do not have a lot of people who are going to be able to do that.
unidentified
Donald Trump shit.
You're talking about the business.
tate brown
With a right-wing populace and a left-wing populace, what overlapping goals would they even have?
alex stein
I think a lot of goals.
I think most of the goals are.
tate brown
Besides like vague, like eat the rich or get her reach for jobs.
unidentified
That's not big.
sulaiman ahmed
That's huge.
phil labonte
It's a lot of people.
alex stein
So you don't think we have an affordability crisis that affects huge?
tate brown
Right, yes.
unidentified
So would you say that the leftists and rights are the targets that we were talking about earlier in the French Revolution?
That's true.
phil labonte
Those were the ones that were saying eat the rich.
The idea of eat the rich would destroy the government.
unidentified
Well, and what I'm saying is, okay, the target is.
tate brown
But the reason I say they're vague is because the times that vague goals overlap, they have two completely different ideas, policies that they're proposing to achieve that.
alex stein
Really, other than trans and abortion, a lot of leftists and right-leaning people actually agree on a lot of self-defense.
tate brown
These are not the only two divisions.
They have fundamentally different worldviews.
alex stein
Also, anti-war gay stuff.
tate brown
People on the left-wing view people as blank slates, and then people on the right view people as part of larger hierarchy.
This is like the foundations of political.
alex stein
I don't know if I agree with that.
unidentified
That's right.
tate brown
People on the left are typically not religious.
People on the right are typically religious.
alex stein
Well, there are people on the right that aren't religious.
tate brown
I know there's exceptions, but they don't disprove the norm.
alex stein
Well, I don't even know what the majority breakdown is.
But if you do look at like, you know, we talk about Israel a lot, you know, they're all left-leaning, and now that the conservatives support Israel, and now they've all become conservative.
Doesn't that seem kind of weird?
Like, they obviously didn't have a political party if they donated to all these left-leaning places.
And then now Donald Trump is, you know, sympathetic to their support of Israel.
Now they're all becoming conservatives.
You don't think that that's the same thing?
sulaiman ahmed
People from Silicon Valley, Bill Ackman, Elon Musk, he's talking about those people.
alex stein
Did you just see how they can flip-flop?
unidentified
So it's all right.
alex stein
And you can be a leftist one day, and the next day you can donate $20 million to Trump's.
tate brown
Well, because they have one issue.
alex stein
Exactly.
tate brown
But that's separate from like...
sulaiman ahmed
Well, they don't have one issue.
Like, Elon Musk, it's not just the Israel issue.
He's got the H1.
tate brown
Elon Musk and Bill Ackman have two completely different end goals.
unidentified
True.
sulaiman ahmed
So I'm talking about Elon Musk and Silicon Valley.
issues are basically cheap labor even within well to a degree yeah cheap labor israel um basically zionist control of the united states of america implanting implanting like this attack into into the country making sure ai and they have the basically control over what happens with ai AI is the future.
That's very important.
Having control of the data centers, hence why Greenland, all these things when we shoot.
So them moving.
phil labonte
Greenland is geopolitical, not about AI.
It is about AI.
It's about the trade routes that are opening up.
tate brown
It's probably both.
Do you think Venezuela is a part of the Silicon Valley cabal that's running?
sulaiman ahmed
So Venezuela, I think, is first of all, I think it's Zionists.
unidentified
Is the Zionists?
alex stein
Even all the people went on there and said, oh, this is so good because Iran won't have oil, Russia won't have oil.
I mean, you can't see that China won't have oil.
That's why we went there so that we can, our adversaries- It's a geopolitical move.
I know.
To punish our adversaries.
That's why we're going into the world.
sulaiman ahmed
I don't think it is.
China's still getting the same amount of oil.
You're getting the same amount of deal.
The reason for that was...
alex stein
I ran my knot.
sulaiman ahmed
Sorry?
alex stein
Iran might be getting less.
sulaiman ahmed
No no those deals are still in place Iran exports oil But the point is Sorry go ahead Well, I'm just saying.
alex stein
What happens in Venezuela does affect Iran because they drop Hezbollah.
I'm saying, and they have Hezbollah there.
tate brown
So, you know, the main thing is that it won't even drop oil prices because we just were dumping oil on the market now, very cheap oil.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but the point is they can't dump it because what's going to happen is they've got a large reserve of oil.
But to be able to penetrate into that oil and use it is going to take a long time.
That's why a lot of like now.
alex stein
And it's funny you say that because in California, oil and gas is still expensive as shit.
unidentified
That's California.
alex stein
I know, but it's a state.
Why is it cheaper in Texas?
phil labonte
Because California has their own regulation.
alex stein
There's a bunch of bullshit regulations.
Does that make it more expensive?
sulaiman ahmed
That's a whole different thing.
Let's put aside Paul Single.
Probably he's going to get quite a lot of the Venezuelan oil.
But yeah, I think there's multiple factors when it comes to Venezuela.
tate brown
I think it's primarily a geopolitical play.
sulaiman ahmed
What do you say?
tate brown
That's it.
It's primarily a geopolitical place.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, that's the long and short of it, right?
It's good.
It's good in multiple ways for the United States.
tate brown
Yeah, that's what I don't think they're going to do.
sulaiman ahmed
I don't think it's good to steal someone's oil personally.
ian crossland
You get the Panama Canal, too.
tate brown
I mean, we basically sort of started it when they nationalized all of the oil that they nationalized.
They cut deals with these, again, private American enterprise that cut deals with these different Venezuelan organizations to basically go to war with countries for private companies.
sulaiman ahmed
I don't know.
Sounds a bit commy to me.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
alex stein
Yeah, but of course we're going to protect American property.
sulaiman ahmed
Sound like pirates, man.
tate brown
We're going to protect American property.
alex stein
Real quick, to your point, though, these multinational corporations, Exxon doesn't just operate.
So you call it an American company.
Yeah, a lot of that money goes to Americans, but it doesn't just go to Americans.
It actually goes to other countries' benefit for the US.
sulaiman ahmed
And by the way, it doesn't go to no American working class people.
alex stein
Let's look at the Apple iPhone.
The Apple iPhone is made in Shengdong, China, where the conditions are so bad for the workers, they have suicide nets.
And the reason they do that is to save money.
So these corporations don't care about us.
They actually care about their bottom line more than killing their own employees.
So I do think it's a problem when we have a country that's being run by multinational corporations.
And I think it is obvious that that happens when these politicians are all getting funded by whether it be APAC or even these oil and gas industries or the farming industry, whatever industry it is, they can buy these politicians for pennies on the dollar.
I just don't like multinational corporations encouraging us to go start wars on their behalf.
And if you say that doesn't happen, I just think you're being, you know, a little dull.
sulaiman ahmed
Well, that's the difference between America and China.
In America, multinational corporations and companies run the country with China is the other way around.
It's the country that runs the corporations, but they're very similar models.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's corporatocracy is what we're in right now.
And then the Chinese have a communist state where the corporation owns 51.
They're both dangerous because the corporations can become governments of their own.
sulaiman ahmed
They basically are now.
ian crossland
It's very dangerous.
They can hire a standing army.
sulaiman ahmed
They literally went to Venezuela.
That's just propaganda.
tate brown
That's why it's vital to identify, okay, what policies specifically would undercut those MNE networks, so to speak.
That's obviously, yeah, that is true that they do have a lot of influence in Washington and probably a plurality of influence.
Control.
So, the question is: okay, what policies that the Trump pursuing, the Trump administration is pursuing that would undercut the goals, again, of multinational corporations, et cetera, these very varied interests.
And again, mass deportations is something that is absolutely petrifying to multinational.
alex stein
I would argue that legal immigration is almost worse than the illegal immigration.
The fact that you have H-1B visas, these people, and then look this up.
Indians, people are going to fact-check me, are more likely to lie on a college acceptance application or a work application.
You even had Minnie Kaling's brother is famous for saying that on a medical school application, he put that he was black.
So, we actually have a system that all these college kids, you're a young college-aged guy, you go and you spend $100,000 on a college degree, and you get your job stolen by an Indian guy that lied on his resume because he's companies put in legislation that benefits them, that lets them hire them and get tax breaks.
So, that's bullshit.
And that is being done by multinational corporations.
And you know what?
Trump's not, I don't know if he stopped that.
I think he gave 300,000 visas to more Chinese people.
So, I would just like it if we actually had a government that cared about American citizens, or maybe the affordability crisis that you say is, oh, right-leaning people and left-leaning people have, you know, not the same problems.
I would argue that most of our problems are very similar.
sulaiman ahmed
Yes, true.
tate brown
Again, if that were the case, people that are on the left, that again, if they are truly prioritizing kitchen table issues, they'd be all in favor of mass deportations.
But the problem is they have another, they have another guiding North Star, which is ultimately they have self-hatred and they're totally okay with like, again, eradicating the cultural foundation of the United States.
sulaiman ahmed
That's not what it is.
So, what it is is the people on the left have been people have taken control of them.
And in reality, what's happened is they care more about liberal work issues rather than real left-wing issues.
So, you're right.
If you were a real left-wing person, you would support deportations.
You would also support the tariffs, not the way Trump did it because he did it in a full-on mental, made-no-sense way, which destroyed small businesses.
But if they did proper tariffs, they should be supporting it.
The reason they don't support is A, because they're anti-Trump, and B, because they don't know what left-wing is.
They think left-wing is actually being liberal and woke.
But that being said, you have the same thing on the right.
Like, on the right, they'll only support policies if Trump tells them.
So, a lot of people on the right were like, oh, why are you somewhat?
I know it was 50-50, but even on the H-1B visa, a lot of them were supporting Trump.
But when in reality, that was harming working-class Americans.
So, this is the problem you have when people fall out as part of a group.
They'll just follow the group irrespective of what the actual political ideology of that group is.
tate brown
I would think, yeah, expanding H-1B is like the entire system should be completely gutted.
But the Trump administration has, in the year of 2025, like the data has come out, we are at net negative migration.
So, again, more foreigners have left the country than have arrived.
That has never happened in 60 years.
So, really, since the Hart Seller Act passed, which was really a nuclear bomb in the United States in many ways, we have not been able to achieve net negative migration.
So, it's like, no, I'm going to give them a message to their flower.
sulaiman ahmed
How many deportations has he done?
tate brown
I think right now it's around like 600 to 700,000.
And then like one and a half million, one and a half million self-deportations.
sulaiman ahmed
Allegedly.
tate brown
Well, again, if we're at net negative migration, I'm going to look.
This is the problem.
sulaiman ahmed
No, I'm genuinely asking you as someone who's slow.
Because I know you're like that.
But I think like you're like very much a MAGA guy.
And also, what it is, I think it's a fact because you've been very strong about this conversation about how much you don't like illegal immigration.
tate brown
All immigration.
unidentified
Yeah.
sulaiman ahmed
But okay, all even better.
All immigration.
So in terms of the number of 600,000, when you've got what, 20 million, 11 million illegal immigrants.
tate brown
I think 80 to 100 million need to go.
sulaiman ahmed
What?
tate brown
80 to 100 million people need to be out of the country.
sulaiman ahmed
100 million people need to leave the United States.
tate brown
We need a lot of denaturalization.
sulaiman ahmed
Okay, please explain to me how you're going to go about.
So, okay, let's listen to it.
tate brown
That's my goal.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no.
I want to hear this.
I always see some of these far-right guy sends.
I want to hear it.
So explain to me how you're going to, what's going to be your criteria of deporting, what is it, 30% of the population?
tate brown
Yeah, I think achievable is probably like 30 to 40 million.
I think that's achievable.
sulaiman ahmed
No, you said 100 million.
phil labonte
That's what he said.
tate brown
My pie in the sky.
My pie in the sky.
unidentified
No, no, no.
sulaiman ahmed
That's what I want to know.
That's what I want to know.
But if you think you would know, so illegal is about 11 million.
unidentified
What else?
tate brown
Yeah, you would take anchor babies.
Much pretty much anyone that's Vivek Ramaswamy's gone.
unidentified
Yes.
Okay.
Laura Luma.
tate brown
Her mom's buried.
Yeah, I think generally anybody that came, I think the Hart Seller Act was just a massive mistake.
And so anybody that came in because of the Hart Seller Act, again, we should probably pursue denaturalization.
Could there be exceptions?
unidentified
Sure.
tate brown
I don't know what that would look like.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but no, because we need to, like, unless you're like, okay, if someone's white enough, I want them in.
It depends on the industrial position.
I want to know.
tate brown
Well, I think white and black Americans are heritage Americans, and so they should be prioritized.
unidentified
So FBA definitely stay.
sulaiman ahmed
Foundational black Americans.
tate brown
I agree with the and culture analysis that like this is fundamentally a white and black country.
Like the first man killed in the American Revolution was a black man.
Like there's no question that they're distinctly American.
So basically, and when you say white Tejanos, like they were here for I'm only giving this example because I know them.
sulaiman ahmed
So like Jackson, his parents came on the Mayflower.
tate brown
Jackson.
sulaiman ahmed
Jackson Hinkle.
And then Nick Fuentes, they came through Ellis Island.
Would they get to stay?
tate brown
Well, yeah, again, that's pre-Hart and Seller Act.
It's like 1965.
unidentified
And even Ellis Island had a lot of problems, too.
sulaiman ahmed
But like, how would you get your 100 million?
This is the thing I'm not getting.
tate brown
Because we were at like 200 and I don't think I think we're at 180 million during the time of the Hart and Seller Act.
sulaiman ahmed
There'll have been births as well, isn't there?
tate brown
Yeah, again, births to a lot of people from the Hart Seller Act.
I mean, if you look at the proportion.
sulaiman ahmed
Anyone who came after 1965, you would depart them.
tate brown
So they get in a pie in the sky scenario.
sulaiman ahmed
Whoa, so they could have been in this country for three generations, but they're gone.
unidentified
Elon Musk.
tate brown
It would be about two to three.
sulaiman ahmed
Elon Musk.
Elon Musk out.
tate brown
Maybe, yeah.
sulaiman ahmed
No, maybe according to the money.
tate brown
Pie in the sky.
I'm just saying, yes, pie in the sky.
sulaiman ahmed
Okay, what about your non-pie in the sky?
tate brown
Well, like, I think what's actually cracking.
It'd be like 30 to 40 million.
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, what would be in that?
tate brown
What would be in that?
sulaiman ahmed
Who would be deported?
tate brown
Well, I mean, alone, 30 million illegals.
That's easy.
And then a lot of people that have like fudged paperwork to get here, people that have immigrated here, but they're on welfare, people that are like net negative.
sulaiman ahmed
What about people who've not been born here, but have been, you know, got citizenship?
tate brown
Again, we're looking at like what a feasible immigration policy is.
Yeah, they would stay if their paperwork is here and they're net contributors to the American tax base.
phil labonte
Okay, so just as long as you include his son Piker, I'm fine with it.
Yeah.
tate brown
Whatever we need to do to get this on Piker out as well.
alex stein
Let's touch a topic that is not controversial at all.
Donald Trump not bombing Iran.
Now, a lot of people expected it was going to happen on the 16th because I guess the first Ayatollah stepped down on January 16th, like 30 years ago, I guess.
So this date is very important to these people.
And it looks like I'm seeing on the Israel Fursers on Twitter getting mad that Trump hasn't done anything yet.
So I guess, you know, we can just go around the room.
I think that if we start a war with Iran, it's probably going to be a big cluster fuck and it's going to cause us a bunch of problems.
So I'm obviously, you know, I'm a conflict interventionist.
I don't want to go and fight these wars for other countries.
But, you know, I'd like to see maybe MAGA Tate wants to freaking blow up the Aatolla.
tate brown
No, I do not want war with Iran.
I think it would be a quagmire.
Again, Venezuela, the goals were clear.
Again, the outcomes were clear even before the operation happened.
alex stein
What if Maduro actually surrendered?
Have you heard that conspiracy?
Is that that Maduro had surrendered and was going to turn himself in?
tate brown
Well, I mean, probably because he knew what we were capable of.
And he looked around and he saw that the people guarding him were fat retards.
So probably the best decision possible is to give himself up.
ian crossland
Saddam had given himself up too, but they were like, we don't want you.
We want the country.
tate brown
Yeah, I'm just very allergic to intervention in the middle.
sulaiman ahmed
What about bombing?
What about the bombed?
unidentified
I don't even, I just don't want to get involved.
tate brown
I don't want to get involved in Iran.
It's just a mess.
Again, the intro.
unidentified
You want to bomb Iran.
phil labonte
I didn't say I want to.
I said I'm fine.
There's a difference between there's, I'm not pro intervention in Iran, but if they did, I wouldn't lose any sleep.
alex stein
I get for sure.
It takes too young for this, but there's a thing called the PEANAC Project for a New American Century, where they actually wrote a whole doctrine about how they're going to take the seven biggest threats to Israel and the Middle East.
And Iran is the last country on that list.
And we went there and we destabilized all these countries.
We basically went to Afghanistan.
Not only do you say Donald Trump is killing all these people because they have drugs, but in Afghanistan, we actually protected the poppy fields so that we didn't mess up their economy of selling heroin.
So, obviously, that's a lie.
Obviously, the government does, you know, want to sell drugs.
I think the Iran contrary, the government got caught shipping in cocaine, trading them.
phil labonte
But it wasn't about cocaine.
alex stein
Well, they were giving Nicaraguans guns, and then we were taking the cocaine.
phil labonte
It was about fighting the communists.
alex stein
Whatever.
I'm saying we were flying into Mean, Arkansas, and then Hillary Clinton, two boys, died on a train track, and they said they smoked weed and fell asleep on it.
And she covered all that up.
My point is: if you look at drugs, they don't care about drugs.
That's all why.
So, you know, just America is not.
We say we're so perfect.
I don't know.
I think we have a skeleton in our country.
sulaiman ahmed
On your question, you said you're fine with bombing Iran.
Are you fine with Iran bombing U.S. military sites in the GCC countries?
phil labonte
Why would I be fine with that?
That's a ridiculous question.
sulaiman ahmed
So, why are you fine with the first?
phil labonte
No, I'm an American and I like America.
So I'm on America.
I'm on America's side.
Okay, you can stop putting words in my mouth.
I'm on America's side.
sulaiman ahmed
How is that on America's side to bomb?
phil labonte
Because I said, if the United States does it, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Like, because it's, it's, the government does a lot of things that I wouldn't be out there saying we should go do this.
There's a lot of things that don't have significant impact on my life.
And if it doesn't have a significant impact on my life, I'm actually not going to go out and protest.
I'm not the kind of guy that's going to go and protest.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, I'm not asking protest.
I'm asking because you could be like, look, I don't really agree with it, but it's fine.
Or you could be like, look, I'm neutral about it.
phil labonte
But when you say you're fine, I said I'm fine with that.
So that's a neutral.
I'm like, okay, fine, whatever.
Like, fine, would be neutral.
I'm not like, we should go do it.
In fact, I specifically said that.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, I think the problem with being neutral on the issue is that what is the consequence?
So there's only a couple of possibilities.
One possibility is you're okay with America bombing another country, which I'm just like a Muslim and I think ethically just harming anyone is not a good thing.
But okay, I know we've got different morals and ethics.
But that being said, separate to that, there's always consequences for your action.
So when you bomb Iran, inevitably there's going to be a reaction.
Hence why Israel, who knows that if they bomb Iran and the GCC countries, pleaded with Trump to say, look, don't do it.
And that's the reason he didn't do it because they knew that they would be targets.
The U.S. military bases would be targets.
Israel would be target.
And the issue you've got is that basically what it does is cause escalation.
Iran isn't a weak country.
phil labonte
I'm not so sure.
I'm not so sure that it actually would have significant consequences.
And the reason I say that is because there was everybody, so many people were saying, look, if we strike Iran, if we strike the nuclear sites in Iran, there's going to be all these consequences.
There's going to be a ground invasion.
There's going to be this.
There's going to be that.
And so far, we've not seen any of the consequences that people were predicting.
I'm not saying that there couldn't be things in the future.
I'm saying up to this point, we have not seen any of the stuff that the doomsayers were saying.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, because that's because it seems like that was kind of like an agreed-upon situation where they were saying that all this stuff is definitely nothing.
Yeah, because it was agreed upon.
Because what actually happened in that war was, which has kind of been proven now, based on the fact that Israel said it in already, is it was a 12-day war.
Iran dominated Israel.
The very first day, Israel hit Iran really well.
Iran didn't expect it because they manipulated.
Trump told Iran, Israel is not going to hit you.
So he believed him and thought there's going to be negotiations on Sunday.
On the Friday, they hit.
Iran was doing military exercises.
So on the first day, they succeeded within Iran.
And after that, Iran dominated Israel.
Israel didn't have any defense missiles.
And this is the reason they don't want to do that.
They haven't got enough defense missiles to stop the attacks.
And so that's why they went to Trump and made sure that they stopped the war.
Trump's way of stopping the war was he had an agreed thing with Iran.
In my view, this is our last speculation.
Agreed in thing with Iran to say, look, you take your whatever nuclear bits you've got in Iran.
We're going to bomb.
And then you can do the thing in Qatar.
And they both bombed each other.
And that's the end of it.
But now Israel's not ready for the basically the war.
So I don't think that that was escalation.
Now, Iran doesn't want it because it would be significant escalation.
Then it would be GCC attacked, Israel attacked and Israel and GCC and already.
alex stein
And I want to make this point because the first during the 12-day war, why did we bomb Iran?
Because they had nuclear capabilities, allegedly.
But now you see Donald Trump tweeting that we're going to bomb them to help the protesters.
So that's what we're going to do.
We're going to go destabilize countries because people are protesting because there's so many countries where that's happening.
I mean, in Israel.
sulaiman ahmed
The United States of America just someone got killed.
alex stein
Yeah, we just protested against him.
Should another country bomb us for protesting our president?
No, countries are not saying nothing.
tate brown
I don't think we should bomb Iran.
alex stein
I'm just saying.
I mean, I guess it's just where it's like, what is the objective?
It's kind of like the war in the Middle East.
The objective is not clear.
So that's what.
sulaiman ahmed
The objective is solely for Israel.
If you're America first, you listen, let's be clear on this.
It's quite evident from the Middle East that these countries actually want deals with America.
As soon as Qatar, UAE got opportunities, they've got deals with the United States of America.
Worse than that, they've given the United States America $5 trillion.
That's the level of love they actually have for America.
And that's actually how they do.
Let's be clear on this.
Arabs psychologically and Asians as well, they look up to the United States of America.
They look up to the white man.
And so that's why they'll give $5 trillion to America.
And so my point about that is these countries want to make deals.
The issue you have is the only reason they're not making deals with America, for example, the only reason Iran has issues with America is because of Israel.
phil labonte
I'm not so sure I agree about Iran.
I understand what you're saying about the rest of the Middle East, though, because for the most part, most of the countries in the Middle East do have fairly good relations with the U.S.
And I think that a big part of the reason why the U.S. and Iran are hostile is because the U.S. is basically meddling in the Middle East according to Iran and Iran.
Iran would have far greater influence over other countries in the Middle East if it wasn't for the United States.
Saudi Arabia and Iran don't particularly get along.
And the Saudis have a significant interest in Iran not getting nuclear weapons.
I think that as much as it is true that Israel doesn't want Iran to get nuclear weapons, I also think that there are a lot of the countries.
sulaiman ahmed
Iran doesn't want nuclear weapons in the first place.
If they wanted it, they would have got it a very long time ago.
And they've got a basically, well, you can not believe it, but we've seen the actions.
I think that's one of the failures Iran's done, that they should have got nuclear weapons, but they've not got it because a fatwa made by Ayatollah Hamane, who basically said that you're not allowed to have nuclear weapons according to their religious law.
They're Shia, I'm Sunni.
So I have different religious beliefs to them.
That being said, they're quite clearly saying that they don't believe in nuclear proliferation.
In terms of Iran, I do actually think that if Iran didn't have an issue with Israel, because Saudi Israel and the United States have always kind of been aligned, they would have good relations with that, with all those countries.
And you see that by the fact that, for example, Hamas is Sunni, Iraq is a Shia, sorry, Iran is Shia.
So in reality, these people will get along.
When it comes to bigger geopolitical situations, they'll get along.
I believe there's only one impeding issue, and that is Israel.
ian crossland
Well, what's the issue exactly?
phil labonte
Israel.
sulaiman ahmed
Well, Israel wants control of the area.
They want to do expansion within the region.
And they themselves want to make sure that they don't have existential threats.
So they believe that in the future, there could be a scenario where maybe these countries could be a threat.
And so what they want to do is basically weaken all these countries so they're no longer a threat.
It's kind of like psychological damage after what happened according to them for a thousand years up until the Holocaust, where they think you can't trust the whites and you can't trust the Israelites.
phil labonte
It happened after the Holocaust as well, though, because there was the seven-day war and stuff like that.
sulaiman ahmed
What do you mean?
phil labonte
Or when the Sixth Day War, a bunch of countries.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, that was Israel.
That was, again, America lying to LBJ got on the phone with Nasser.
So what happened?
The Egyptians didn't want to go to war with Israel.
What happened was Nasser, the leader of Egypt, was actually fighting a war in Yemen.
He gets on a call with LBJ and he says, the Israelis are not going to attack us, are they?
Once again, he lies and says, no, they're not.
And then they do a blitzkrieg and attack them.
ian crossland
So that was Israel again.
alex stein
Real quick, I just want to bring this up.
It's so crazy.
These letters from JFK where he was talking, you can look this up, where he was saying that he couldn't believe every single night that Israel was bombing themselves and then calling.
phil labonte
Thank you, we're talking about JFK.
alex stein
Well, I'm saying it's just kind of weird that they were doing that.
You can find the article somewhere else, but in his own notes, he was saying that.
sulaiman ahmed
What happened to JFK?
alex stein
Well, he was shot in the head.
phil labonte
The Jews killed him.
ian crossland
You said the Israelis were bombing themselves?
alex stein
JFK wrote a note, and he said it, and we can find it.
And maybe this isn't a good one.
Hold on now.
ian crossland
They're kind of the masters of subterfuge, you know, the Israeli Mossad.
But when I look at the Balfour Declaration, the way Israel was set up after World War I and the betrayal of the Arabs, it seems like the liberal economic order's attempt at bulwarking the Suez Canal and controlling trade hegemony in the region.
They split up the Soviet Union and took Sevastopol and Black Sea port access away from the Russians on purpose after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Like, that's all Israel.
It seems like it's just a militarized outpost of the liberal economic order.
sulaiman ahmed
Even if it was, which I can see slightly where you're coming from, especially when you look at 67.
But then when you look at, for example, what happened to JFK and then you look at the fact that after that, you basically had a scenario where when the Soviet Union weakened.
Remember, Israel also was working on both sides.
They were given military, U.S. military secrets to the Soviet Union.
They were given Soviet Union's secrets to the United States of America.
So even in that situation, they weren't an ally.
They were actually an impediment.
They were going to just go with whichever side did well.
But in terms of the Suez Canal, in terms of what you're talking about, I guess that is a good, decent point.
But it became less of an issue over time, which you see when Egypt fully just basically became part of the American homogeneity.
alex stein
Well, and this is the quote right here.
There were 13 bombs set off my last evening.
They're all in the Jewish quarter and all set off by Jews.
The ironical part is that the Jewish terrorists bombed their own telephone lines and electric connections.
The next day, frantically phoned up the British to come and fix them up.
So that's what we call a false flag attack.
unidentified
Jesse said Jewish terrorists.
phil labonte
Is that what it says in there?
alex stein
No, it says the set off by Jews.
Nothing about terrorists.
phil labonte
Yeah, Jewish terrorists bombed their own telephone.
Oh, well, I mean, so that, I mean, typically, and this might be splitting hairs, but typically terrorists are people that are not part of the government, and false flags are set up by the government.
alex stein
Well, no, I mean, he's just saying we don't know.
phil labonte
Again, like I said, I'm only splitting hairs.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, because no, because the problem is that what you've got is you're right.
Like, Israel has always been, United States of America has always been kind of linked and or subservient to Israel.
unidentified
Subservient.
Yes.
sulaiman ahmed
Always?
No, that's why I said and are.
unidentified
But always?
sulaiman ahmed
No, that's why I said and are.
phil labonte
Well, and or.
As in, because the U.S. was a country for, what, 150 years before?
sulaiman ahmed
I said the U.S. and Israel have always been linked and are.
So all been subsidized.
So it's either linked or subservient.
unidentified
So you said, but you're not, you're.
The point that I'm making is the U.S. existed a long time before since 49.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, I know.
That's why I said and or.
So, but there were two key incidences I can just think about, which is, for example, the Brits.
Do you remember when they bombed the King David Hotel?
They called them terrorists then as well.
And then obviously, GFK always never had a good relationship with them and always seen them as extremists, as did the Queen of England.
ian crossland
You know, I have kind of this utilitarian take on supporting Israel and supporting military in the Middle East because I was really anti-war in Iraq.
It was just seemed like nonsense.
But now I think if we just pulled out of the Middle East and just said, you're on your own, Iran, take nuclear weapons.
I feel like Russia and China would take over the world, take over the Suez Canal.
America would become third bitch, and then we would be spending $700 on coffees and speaking Mandarin.
So it's like I'm a little more bullish on military authority and control now to protect American religious, you know, republicanism, essentially.
phil labonte
Where does your taking power?
sulaiman ahmed
So I'll just state your position back and tell me if I said it wrong.
So your position is that America should subjugate the world so you can have cheaper goods.
ian crossland
And it's beyond me.
Because freedom of speech, because of gun rights, property rights, these ethics that are inherent in our country, I think is the best on earth or the least worthy.
sulaiman ahmed
Do you think that's a good ethic to subjugate the earth to murder, kill, and cause mayhem so that you can have cheaper coffee?
unidentified
I know I'm kind of being reductive in what I'm saying, but I do think America should behave like an empire.
ian crossland
Let me answer.
sulaiman ahmed
But there's different ways an empire.
phil labonte
Yeah, so you don't have to change it.
Because initially you were like, they should kill and bomb and do all these terrible things.
Then he says, well, you know, like they should behave like an empire.
And then you're like, okay, well, there's different ways to do it.
So the way that you set up the question is should they be the worst empire imaginable?
sulaiman ahmed
But that's what they're saying.
phil labonte
So that way you can do this.
No, absolutely not.
No, absolutely not.
The United States is not the worst ever, the worst empire imaginable.
If China or Russia were in actual global power, I'm not saying they are.
I said if they were, it would be totally different.
sulaiman ahmed
No, China is expanding.
ian crossland
Economic.
sulaiman ahmed
But China is expanding.
China now, when you look at it from a military perspective, when you look at it from a technological perspective, they're massively advanced.
And they're advancing so much.
And I don't want China to take past it.
But this kind of understanding that you believe that China is not advancing in the way they are and that they're not building an empire is just certainly not.
tate brown
They're certainly trapping third world assholes with horrible trade deals.
That's different than exercising military power.
sulaiman ahmed
so you prefer the military where they build that's how empires should operate No, but they're actually building an empire as well, but they're just doing it economically.
tate brown
But they're doing it in like fairly inconsequential places and very sloppily, like Sri Lanka.
unidentified
And the United States, the United States, absolutely is.
phil labonte
Look, all you have to do is look at how many countries have McDonald's to know that the United States did it economically.
Right?
Like the United States has built a liberal economic border since World War II.
alex stein
Venezuela is one of the few countries that doesn't have a Rothschild bank.
Iran, another country that doesn't have a Rothschild bank.
And it's very important to these people that all these countries do have Rothschild banks.
I mean, that's just a fact.
sulaiman ahmed
So my thing is this.
You're right, by the way.
But my thing is this.
I want America to be in charge.
I just want it to be done peacefully.
ian crossland
Well, I don't think it can.
I mean, I understand peace through strength and determining.
sulaiman ahmed
China showed you a mode where it can be.
Well, the problem is Trump is kind of showing you a mode where it can be because Syria, he's kind of created an agreement now where he looks like he's bringing them into the empire.
He's not going to kill anyone.
So Trump is starting to show in certain aspects you can't do.
tate brown
And the way Trump negotiates these things is he sets up these convoluted activities.
sulaiman ahmed
I don't want to protest Trump.
He's going to be on board.
tate brown
Well, I'm saying the way that Trump sets up these things is he sets up these trade deals.
So then it makes it much more difficult for these countries to, again, like dissolve their relationships with each other because they're...
sulaiman ahmed
So economically?
tate brown
Yeah, he's trying to develop economic cooperation.
sulaiman ahmed
I think that's better.
tate brown
I think it's way better than George Bush.
George Bush's solution is just like bomb and then hope for the best.
sulaiman ahmed
Exactly.
Because George Bush's situation, what does it do?
It creates the military-industrial complex to be wealthy, the billionaire class, desire, become richer, and my poor old Uber drivers on to work 60, 70 hours.
ian crossland
I would love for it to be peaceful and for it to be emergent where everybody's like, you know what?
Republicanism is the best.
I like free speech.
We're going to overthrow our governments and do it.
I just don't, you know, you have a totalitarian system preventing that, like the CCP that wants, you know, total authority or whatever.
How's that going to happen peacefully?
And also, when you go in and you...
sulaiman ahmed
What do you mean?
unidentified
How...
ian crossland
How would the Chinese people overthrow the Communist Party and take their country back peacefully?
sulaiman ahmed
No, they wouldn't.
I don't get it.
ian crossland
I don't think they would either.
I don't think it can happen peacefully.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but why would they want to?
The country is doing so well.
ian crossland
So that they can say, fuck the government and not get that bullet in their head.
Ooh, yeah, that's an overstatement.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, they couldn't.
I'm not pro-China.
I think that is a significant issue, but they are doing well.
tate brown
Well, they have the LEDs on the side of the building.
It's pretty cool.
sulaiman ahmed
If you look at the military advancement, American military is still the best, by far.
But if you look at their technological advancement now, because basically they came to the U.S., they stole a lot of U.S. technological secrets.
Took them back, but now what's happening?
phil labonte
Now you're making arguments for deportations.
unidentified
Sorry?
phil labonte
Now you're making arguments for deportations.
alex stein
Well, there's actually a guy that just got sentenced to 20 years.
sulaiman ahmed
I've been against CCP infiltration.
I've been talking about it for 10 years.
unidentified
Awesome.
alex stein
Well, guys, just went to jail for 20 years for giving secrets to China.
ian crossland
Let me finish the question, Sula.
You said doing it peacefully.
So if you take someone's food supply away, technically that's peaceful according to the CIA because there's no kinetic violence.
Of course, then they start to starve and die.
You've economically strangled and killed them.
unidentified
True.
ian crossland
That could be a peaceful way that we take over the world.
unidentified
Technically.
sulaiman ahmed
Or I wouldn't agree with that.
Because that's oppressive.
ian crossland
It is oppressive, but it's peaceful.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
So it's non-violent.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, I appreciate you saying that's all.
It has to be peaceful and non-oppressive.
unidentified
That's a big glass of Phil I'm open to talking about that.
alex stein
And because I feel like you are changing your stance a little bit, because I think in your heart, you know that as human beings, we are evolved.
We should be able to solve our problems.
Well, just let me make a point.
This is why, the fact is, we've been desensitized to violence.
We've seen 9-11.
We've seen Charlie's death.
So now we think it's okay because we've seen other people die.
But in a real, you know, utopia society, and I know we're never going to have a utopia, we wouldn't be killing each other over lines in the sand.
ian crossland
Humans, like, we have two parts of us.
This is the person, the name.
phil labonte
That's why the laws are not.
ian crossland
But then we have the animal that needs to eat.
And when that thing starts to suffer, it goes haywire.
And we have to plan for that.
And that's where military force comes in.
tate brown
Well, people also just have like people, depending on where you are from in the world, you just have completely different perspectives on morality too.
Like morality is universal, but people have differentiating views on it.
And that's why immigration is so flawed because you're just bringing people into a country that just have a different conception of morality and different conception of ethics.
And then it breaks apart.
alex stein
Would you say Switzerland is a country that's ran well?
phil labonte
Yeah, Switzerland.
The United States can't be Switzerland.
alex stein
Why not, though?
phil labonte
Because it's a total.
tate brown
Switzerland is like three European people groups that are neighbors.
alex stein
So you're telling me America cannot copy Switzerland?
phil labonte
No, it's impossible.
ian crossland
No, Switzerland's not aware of it.
alex stein
That's because you guys are.
And that's propaganda.
You guys have fallen for war propaganda.
tate brown
It's like when you watch Savior Clarvell Ryan, the owner, like, oh, Switzerland is only Switzerland because the world is a violent place.
If everyone were Switzerland, then no one would have to go.
alex stein
Yeah, it would be great.
unidentified
If everything was Switzerland, especially if you did everyone's self-interested.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's true.
The idea that we're desensitized to violence, this is a totally novel period in human society.
alex stein
What are you talking about?
There's people that were drafted.
Vietnam was incredibly violent.
Every era of the American history has been violent.
The Civil War is violent.
American history was not violent.
phil labonte
That's the point that I'm making.
Like, we are less violent now in this point in human history than human beings have ever been in all of human history.
In the last hundred years.
Well, in the last hundred years, because of governments, probably 200 million.
But the point that I'm making is the average.
The average person in the Western world is far less likely to engage with violence than other people in other points in history ever.
sulaiman ahmed
Absolutely.
phil labonte
we're definitely like because of because of industrialized war not because not because Not because there's more war.
Like, war was a constant prior to World War II.
It's been a constant throughout all of human history.
And war existed before human beings.
tate brown
We're conditioned to less battlefield deaths.
But as far as the culture of violence, I would agree that we are desensitized to it.
I mean, because you look across the West, like what we tolerate, abortion is just murder at the highest degree that's just occurring.
We're just battery farming it.
You have like just cities are just, we just accept like insane levels of violent crime.
I mean, like in the UK, you have like these grooming games going everywhere.
So it's like, no matter where you look, we are just conditioned to accept just like carnage, just right below our very noses.
So it's like, okay, it doesn't manifest on the battlefield, but the West is still an exceptionally, we still accept an exceptional level of violence.
unidentified
I think the rooming guys are talking about that some propaganda.
I think that we know the problem.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, so what it is is there is grooming gangs in the UK, right?
And there is grooming gangs in specific areas, which were largely Muslim and Pakistani, Rotherham being one, Rochdale being one, Talford being another one, and maybe one or two others.
But if you look at it holistically in the entirety of the UK, when it came to, I don't know if you like to say the P word, the P word, if you look at the Peter and PDF.
PDF and abusing women, you know what I mean by that.
Then if you look at the entirety of the UK, it's actually proportionate.
alex stein
Well, I want to say this point, it's actually, this is why America, this is why I have problems and I love this country, but this is why I do have problems with the country.
And you might get offended at this, but during the war in the Middle East, there's a thing called the Bakabazi Boys, where there's men in Afghanistan, where they have sex with little boys.
They'll be their little servant.
They have sex with children.
And the United States military walked in on this.
And instead of killing, instead of hurting the PDF file, what they did was they protected him because they were our allies.
So we have instances where our government is not only protecting Jeffrey Epstein right now, but we've actually protected pedophiles in the Middle East.
tate brown
That's what's happened in the UK with the grooming gangs.
The civil service just completely justified.
alex stein
I'm anti-violence, but if somebody does deserve that violence done to them, I would say it would be somebody that harms children.
And yet our country protects pedophiles.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but they didn't justify.
What was there was serious failures amongst the government.
And this happened throughout the board.
So for example, now, like Tommy Robinson, if you look at it, I did a thread of like 100 people that were either his friends, connected to him, had the same position as him, or was part of his group that all partook in this PDF and all that kind of stuff.
So what I'm trying to say is, when you look at it, of course, there was massive failures within the institutional level in terms of protecting any of those children or women.
tate brown
Well, yeah, but like, I mean, even in the, like, it was the Jay Roberts report where it's like, even in that, the Jay Robert report, that was the report that exposed in Rotherham, like, the massive grooming, levels of grooming that was going on.
It was like 1,400 kids that were taken advantage of.
And the police and other civil servants were literally afraid to report it because they want to be perceived as Islamophobic.
sulaiman ahmed
No, but that's my point I'm trying to say, that you're right about Rotherham.
But I'm saying if you look at the UK as a whole, if this issue and this problem, because what you're basically saying is, I have an issue with Rotherham because it was Muslims, which is, but I'm saying I have a problem with every single town, irrespective if it was Muslim, Christian, Jew, white.
So I think where we differ is I'm saying I have a problem with all of them doing it.
You're focused on it.
tate brown
I totally agree.
I'm just saying.
sulaiman ahmed
I'm saying failures happen across the board, but you're saying I only care about Rotherham.
tate brown
Well, it's like saying, okay, instead of just addressing like aggravated assault, theft, these sorts of things, we should just focus on the same thing.
sulaiman ahmed
No, I'm talking about PDF.
I'm talking about PDF.
tate brown
Well, I agree, but I'm just saying there's a difference between like an institutionalized like system of grooming gangs.
That needs to be broken up.
And that is a separate issue from like, yeah, like pedophilia writ large.
unidentified
No, no.
sulaiman ahmed
So it was institutionalized.
It was happening across the board.
Now, in terms of those specific grooming gangs, what Tommy Robinson did was he created a new category where he said, if it's three people are higher doing the abuse, then we'll create a new category.
And it'll be for only over 14 year olds.
And it'll only be because they want to take the children out because that becomes just proportionally not them.
And we want to take the children out because we don't care about pedophilia.
And we want to do it where it's three or more because we don't want to care about two or one.
So what he did was create this fake category to maybe say, look, everybody falls into that category.
And I'm saying that's ridiculous.
You abuse someone, you do it, you know, whether it's a PDF and it's someone, and I think we've done it to children's worst, but obviously may disagree.
But the thing is, all of that is bad.
All of that was covered up in an industry level.
And all of it should be called out, irrespective of who it is.
And I think this has been done intentionally in order to cause like wars between people.
tate brown
Well, I think it's just like there's a difference between, again, like just your, that sounds weird, but like your everyday sort of grooming situation, which happens all the time.
There's no question about that.
And actual groups, actual roving bands that have operated for dozens of years.
sulaiman ahmed
So you think, like, for example, let's say One guy abused a five-year-old.
tate brown
Right.
sulaiman ahmed
That's less worse than, let's say, three guys who abused a 16-year-old.
tate brown
No, I'm saying those are two separate things.
I mean, that warrants execution.
There's no question about that.
sulaiman ahmed
Which one?
tate brown
Well, both.
sulaiman ahmed
So you said they're both the same.
tate brown
Well, the actual individual instance, but I'm saying when you have gangs, like so his category of gang is three or higher.
unidentified
So I'm getting again three guys within a specific community as well.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
sulaiman ahmed
So three Pakistani communities.
unidentified
Let's do a community thing.
sulaiman ahmed
Three Pakistani guys who abuse a 16-year-old and two white guys who abuse a five-year-old.
Which one's worse?
unidentified
They're both equally bad.
Exactly.
That's my point.
sulaiman ahmed
But he doesn't believe that.
tate brown
No, we're saying I'm talking about specific grooming gangs.
And it's like because we've brought massive amounts of Pakistanis into the UK.
We wouldn't have these if it weren't for the mass migration to the UK.
sulaiman ahmed
So what you're saying is...
tate brown
There's not grooming gangs of, like, scousers running around.
sulaiman ahmed
I just explained to you.
Professionally, it's all the same.
alex stein
Why do Muslim women real quick?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tate brown
No, Pakistanis are outsized in sexual crimes in the United States.
unidentified
No, it's not.
sulaiman ahmed
No, they're not.
No, they're not.
I've actually done the evidence to prove it.
Because I'm saying, if you say in Rotherham, then it's the case.
But for the entirety of the United Kingdom, it's not.
ian crossland
We just need to pull up the data because you just said yes, no.
alex stein
And this is going outside Islam.
Why do women have to cover their face?
Why do they have to cover their face?
unidentified
Why do they have to cover their face, Suleiman?
sulaiman ahmed
But let's do what this is.
phil labonte
So no one can see it.
unidentified
Well, no.
alex stein
Because it's a sexual thing.
unidentified
No, no.
sulaiman ahmed
So the reason women, first of all, I don't agree with covering the face.
So I think it's not within Islam.
But those who believe it, so I don't believe in it, by the way.
But those Muslims who do believe in it, like, why don't women have the freedom of choice to wear it?
alex stein
Well, I guess if a woman wants to wear it, I think they can.
I mean, if they want to choose to wear it.
But my point is, there's a reason why, because in some cultures, if a woman does that, they They're saying that the woman is asking for it by even showing her face.
So I think culturally that is.
sulaiman ahmed
What are the topics?
unidentified
I'm trying to get data, though.
ian crossland
Suleiman, do you think that Islam is due for a reformation?
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, that's America though, yeah.
tate brown
Yeah, this is the U.S.
I mean, and also like the thing with Rotherham specifically, it was like.
sulaiman ahmed
So you remember you're saying one specific town, but yeah.
tate brown
Well, I mean, that's just the biggest, most high-profile case.
And this was the case with some of the other, like Rochdale and the other gangs, is the Pakistani grooming gangs were targeting white children.
And then there's no instances of white grooming gangs to begin with, but then let alone white grooming games targeting like Pakistani girls.
sulaiman ahmed
Okay, so first of all, there was white grooming gangs.
This is what I'm trying to tell you.
And the second thing is...
tate brown
Were they targeted...
Even if there was, which I'd say, we would have found out, but were they targeting Pakistani girls?
So it's like, no, these Pakistanis came here and then they had this weird sexual fixation where they were.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, that wasn't it.
What actually happened, I don't think you read the report.
So what actually happened was, unfortunately, what these evil people were doing, these Pakistanis, was they were going to, you know, people who were in social services and people who'd lost their pet, like people who went with their parents maybe because of drugs or whatever it may be.
unidentified
So they were going for these vulnerable 14, 15, 16, 17 girls.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, like people who were in social services.
Like, I don't know if you have the same thing in the US, but in the UK.
tate brown
It's the CPS here.
sulaiman ahmed
Where the kids are taken away and they're living in childcare.
ian crossland
Yeah, protective service.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, that's it.
So they were basically there.
And then what that is, is those social services, largely speaking, it is white girls.
And that's why they were targeting them.
unidentified
Yes.
tate brown
So the Pakistanis were, again, the results was it was primarily white girls.
Victimized by Pakistani grooming gangs.
sulaiman ahmed
And the other one was white guys victimizing white girls because, again, they were easy access.
tate brown
Yeah, again, I don't know of any instances of this occurring.
I mean, if you have, I'm happy to look it up if you have any questions.
unidentified
Yeah, real quick, put my name in.
sulaiman ahmed
Put my name in on X. Go Tom Robinson.
You'll get 100 people on the 10th.
unidentified
I thought there's a third party.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, it's not the abuse.
unidentified
It's got the data.
alex stein
Totate, though.
Do you agree with Donald Trump that the Epstein files are a total hoax?
tate brown
the epstein files were real but i just don't i think all the why would he say it was a hoax Because it's just politics.
I think the reality is any incriminating information on the Epstein files, there's none.
Because any powerful people, like, do you think Bill Clinton did this or whoever did this?
And then they don't release all the information related to it.
alex stein
Well, I think there's evidence.
I think with any crime in this modern era, there's always going to be a residue of a crime.
tate brown
Well, the problem is that you can kill the people that would testify.
alex stein
Well, they couldn't.
You know, Hillary Clinton has a lot of people that are associated with her that have died under mysterious circumstances.
So I'm just saying.
sulaiman ahmed
Well, you think the Epstein files are fake?
unidentified
No.
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, well, what's your position?
tate brown
My position is that any incriminating information is probably gone by now.
alex stein
You think it's just destroyed by the FBI?
See, that's where I disagree because I get frustrated when people tell me that, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, you know, killed himself, even though he was like at the vending machine, you know, buying M ⁇ Ms or I-B-4.
I think that, you know, he just met with his attorney, his attorney said he was in great spirits.
So I just think it's odd that a billionaire that probably did have inside information and probably could have been a witness to these people dies by killing himself.
I think that, like you said, they would cover their tracks and they would kill him.
But yet we have people that lead the FBI or leaving the FBI telling us, oh, no, the official story is right.
Like, do you believe the official story?
Do you think he hung himself by jumping off the second story of a...
unidentified
No.
tate brown
No, I'm the first person.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I think, especially the Trump-led DOJ fumbled the Epstein.
alex stein
I mean, they couldn't have fumbled it any worse.
They gave those fake binders.
So it just sucks because it gives me the impression that they're protecting pedophiles.
And people think, like, oh, Pizza Gate is some QAnon thing.
No, it wasn't.
These were the wiki leaks when we got Hillary Clinton's emails and we see all these weird emails about pizza and maps and just a lot of weird stuff.
James Elephantis, maybe he wasn't doing a child sexuring out of a pizza shop, but they were doing weird stuff on islands with children.
And I just get a little frustrated that they're not going to give us transparency because it feels like they're protecting pedophiles.
ian crossland
Do you know how young the youngest victim was by any chance?
alex stein
Well, if you're going to do the Nick Fuentes argument that they're like pre-teens, I heard this.
ian crossland
Yes, Precubescent is pedo.
Otherwise, it's hepophilia, I believe.
alex stein
But I heard this rumor, and you know, is this true or not, that people would ask Jeffrey Epstein that was in his circles his favorite sexual conquest.
And supposedly, Jean-Luc Brunel, who was a modeling talent agent that had, you know, a bunch of models, is that Jeffrey Epstein would tell people that his favorite sexual conquest was how he slept with three 11-year-old triplets and then flew them back.
And that's that, you can look that up.
ian crossland
That's not slept with.
I don't know if it's.
alex stein
Whatever.
You know what I mean?
He just did the deed with three 11-year-olds.
He abused them.
And yeah, I just get frustrated because it's so obvious that there are important people that are doing stuff.
And maybe they have to do it.
Maybe, you know, it's part to get in the club.
You have to do it.
You know, you have to touch a kid or whatever it is.
But we're not going to get transparency.
And I love Donald Trump, but he campaigned on transparency.
I'm going to give you transparency.
And then they totally flipped the script.
It's just making me kind of lose faith in ever actually finding the truth.
And that sucks.
ian crossland
It's the one ring.
They can't, I mean, they can get rid of it, but it's the data so valuable.
All that blackmail data.
They're using it right now, I think.
alex stein
That's part of it, probably.
sulaiman ahmed
Wonder who it's for?
ian crossland
It's probably keeping Trump alive.
alex stein
Well, I would say that, you know how we do want to blame everything on Israel?
But if you look at Mossad and you look at our CIA, and you're going to say Mossad controls the CIA, but they work in concert together.
They share all information.
As a matter of fact, they fought because supposedly Israel held information from America and vice versa.
So when both agencies are basically tied together like that, same within the US.
sulaiman ahmed
How do they work together?
alex stein
I'm saying, so they protect their own agency as well because there's probably the CIA involved in Jeffrey Epstein as well.
sulaiman ahmed
So we've got instances of Israeli spies stealing American secrets and either giving it to Israel or taking Russia.
alex stein
But there's a website.
phil labonte
Hold on, there's one thing that I want to put in there.
The idea that it's only Israel stealing from the United States, that is a naive perspective.
Every country does everything they can to spy on every other country.
sulaiman ahmed
They thought they're the greatest ally, a special relationship.
phil labonte
I don't care.
Every country does everything they can to spy on every other country.
sulaiman ahmed
So that's why it's pertinent that you don't make claims that a specific country has a special relationship or they are given special access because when you do, then you're right.
phil labonte
Yeah, I disagree with that.
I think that, and not that I think that Israel should be a special country.
I do think the United States, the UK, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia have a unique relationship because we all spawn from the UK.
So I think that the United States is the Five Eyes is what they call it.
alex stein
English speaking countries.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that English speaking countries.
sulaiman ahmed
Israel is not part of the Five Eyes.
phil labonte
That's exactly what I said.
But the point that I'm making.
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, you said not Israel.
phil labonte
Not Israel.
unidentified
The five countries that basically respond from the United States.
phil labonte
No, because in my opinion, the United States is actually the fruition of what was started with the Magna Carta in the UK.
sulaiman ahmed
I mean, that's fine.
phil labonte
So I think that the United States.
unidentified
But the interests have changed so much now.
phil labonte
Yeah, definitely.
But I still think that the United States and the countries that, you know, basically are sister countries or brother countries, whatever you want to call them, I think that we do have a special relationship that should be held above all other countries in the world.
Anyhow.
alex stein
Well, we do let them have nuclear weapons, and I think that's kind of the UK, they actually kind of, you know, if I'm really going to go crazy, people are going to call me Candace Owens.
I think nuclear weapons are totally fake.
The idea that they split the atom and this big bomb goes off.
And if you look up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you can basically tell that those were firebombs.
You can look at it.
And there's a lot of documents.
phil labonte
So what do you think the Castle Bravo test was?
alex stein
It was fake.
Why did a house fall down, but the car is sitting there perfectly?
phil labonte
That wasn't the Castle Bridge.
alex stein
I'm just saying the footage that they gave us.
phil labonte
I understand.
I understand what you're talking about.
That was edited.
I understand.
I'm not making the argument that it wasn't.
All of a sudden, everything's different.
There are multiple tests where there's footage.
alex stein
I'm saying we have big bombs, but it's funny because Donald Trump, he's dropped the Moab, the mother of all bombs, which is arguably the second biggest bomb besides a nuclear weapon.
It just seems like in order to scare the civilians, and this is what they tell us in school, and they told me this.
I don't know if you guys agreed, but maybe Tate was in school sooner than all of us.
But they told me in history class that we have enough nuclear weapons to blow up the earth 10 times over.
That's just provably false.
It doesn't matter if we set up every bomb that we had, the earth is going to outlive humanity, and we can't just blow up the world like that.
That's just fake news.
So they use the threat of nuclear weapons to scare us.
And the idea that you split the atom and everything blows up, I actually think he goes, it's such a lie.
It goes back to like the Bible.
It's kind of like how they're trying to, you know, play like their kids.
phil labonte
Do you believe in atoms?
alex stein
I believe in atoms, but I don't believe if you split an atom, it causes this mushroom cloud accidental.
phil labonte
So you think that Einstein is wrong?
alex stein
I think Einstein had some crazy theories.
I think some was right.
He talked about the ether.
Now, you probably don't believe in the ether.
He talked about the ether, and now that's been totally taken out of science.
So I think there is energy that we cannot see around us.
And yeah, so I think Einstein was right about some stuff, probably wrong about other stuff.
But the idea that the Manhattan Project, they just built this bomb.
phil labonte
Do you think that basically all matter and energy are the same thing?
They're just different manifestations of the same thing.
alex stein
That's the question again.
Do I think matter?
phil labonte
Do you think matter and energy are the same thing?
Because the essential argument in E equals MC squared is that matter and energy are actually the same thing.
It's just they're different manifestations.
alex stein
I think matter has energy, but I don't know if it, yeah, I mean, I guess I could say that energy has matter because if there is an ether, like we can't see it, but there's oxygen in the air.
There's stuff that is, you know, the ether.
He believed in it.
Now natural science has taken it away.
It's like, what is it?
They say, what are the fire, rain?
What are the elements?
ian crossland
Water, metal.
alex stein
But there's really six ether, and they took that off.
According to Einstein, you can look this up.
He thought ether was the six elements.
ian crossland
Nassim Herrmann seems to believe it's the vacuum.
He calls it the vacuum of space-time itself.
It is equally dense.
So I think Einstein was right that there is what we think is nothing is actually something, even though we don't necessarily classically determine it with our tools yet.
phil labonte
So in 1905, the special theory of relativity, Einstein rejected the classical ether as unnecessary and undetectable.
alex stein
Well, he changed his opinion on it when it became not scientifically accepted.
ian crossland
That's what I'm saying.
phil labonte
I just want to figure out how happened is essentially when he says when Einstein said ether, what he's talking about is space-time.
So the ether was thought of as, but now we just call it the field, right?
So things that you're saying.
alex stein
So we agree that there is an electromagnetic field.
phil labonte
Well, no, it's not electromagnetic.
It's basically like, so you can go forward, backward, up or down, left, right?
That's a field, right?
alex stein
That's that's talking about an energy that we cannot see.
phil labonte
No, he said, he says, he says, however, at least this is what the AI says.
However, in his general theory of relativity, Einstein reintroduced the concept of an ether, not as a material medium, but as space-time itself endowed with physical properties.
So basically space, you know how like.
alex stein
Like they're saying space-time.
I understand that, but well, I would just argue that we're all in the ether.
ian crossland
I had a fact check on nuclear bombs.
This internet says nuclear bombs work by releasing massive amounts of energy through nuclear reactions, either fission or fusion.
phil labonte
Yeah.
So I guess that's what the, I mean, the evidence that nuclear bombs are.
Listen, the evidence that nuclear bombs are real is stars.
ian crossland
I mean, the internet said it.
alex stein
Stars?
phil labonte
Stars are that it's possible at the very least because stars fuse together atoms into heavier elements.
They fuse hydrogen in the middle.
alex stein
If the nuclear bombs are real, Israel would have already dropped.
ian crossland
When a neutron hits the nuclear body.
phil labonte
If that's your evidence, then we can move on.
Do we have colors today?
unidentified
Yeah, we do.
alex stein
Let's dig into it.
unidentified
We got the Discord.
alex stein
We got some great chats from you guys in the Discord watching live right now.
unidentified
Oh, this is rough.
alex stein
Okay, I like this.
Question for you, Suleiman.
What is your perspective on abortion?
If you are pro-choice, do you believe it's a bad thing, but women need the option because of their situation?
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, I'm anti-abortion, so I've got the Jewish position on it.
I'm like full-on against it.
alex stein
Well, Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood and she was Jewish.
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, damn, sure.
I guess they do both sides.
But anyway, but I'm talking about in terms of like the theological, the actual legal position.
So I, yeah, I believe it's like life from conception.
tate brown
Based.
alex stein
Yeah, I agree, too.
I think abortion is murder.
And what is it?
I saw this viral TikTok where they were talking about, you know, how many people in Gen Z had died and they asked everybody.
unidentified
30%.
alex stein
Yeah, it was 30%.
tate brown
Suleiman, the Christian-Muslim Alliance is back.
unidentified
Yeah, it's back.
alex stein
Believe it or not, there's a lot of similarities with Christianity and Islam.
tate brown
All right, let's not get crazy.
alex stein
Real quick, Islam speaks of Jesus very highly.
They don't consider him just a magician like some other religions do.
unidentified
And so the fact that they respect Jesus, I think that Orthodox Protestant.
sulaiman ahmed
Evangelical.
tate brown
Kitschy, evangelical, yeah.
phil labonte
Listen, the amount of LARPers.
tate brown
Like, I'm an OG American.
phil labonte
The amount of abortion that we've that have been performed in the United States dwarfs the amount of children sacrificed by the Aztecs.
tate brown
Yeah, that's what I pointed out.
So the Spanish literally exterminated the Aztecs from the face of the globe for a child sacrifice level of about 2%.
Meanwhile, like in Britain, not to pick on Britain here, but in Britain, a third of all children conceived in Britain are aborted.
So a magnitude higher degree, the Spanish literally exterminated the civilization.
sulaiman ahmed
What's the percentage in the U.S.?
tate brown
I think it's about 25% as well.
ian crossland
2025.
You're saying one out of every four conceptions is terminated?
tate brown
I want every three.
unidentified
I think it's even more.
ian crossland
This is last year's number.
tate brown
It's in the UK.
sulaiman ahmed
UK is one third.
tate brown
Then America is one border.
And then it's projected to hit half in Britain at this rate in the next 20 years.
ian crossland
Are those including miscarriage abortions?
No, these are just abortion.
tate brown
Those are terminations of pregnancy.
ian crossland
Those are considered involuntary terminations, involuntary abortions.
tate brown
I don't know what the number is on the.
This is just talking about gone into an abortion clinic and aborted the children.
sulaiman ahmed
Remember, UK has almost become like an atheistic country.
unidentified
It's grim.
sulaiman ahmed
It used to be 75% Christian.
And the last census, which was five years ago, went down to 45%.
tate brown
Church of England's asleep at the wheel, too.
sulaiman ahmed
They basically all turned atheist.
alex stein
There has been a little resurgence of Christianity in America.
sulaiman ahmed
In America, for sure.
But Europe is not.
tate brown
Europe's conception.
ian crossland
It's just got to be real Christianity.
I believe in it.
Like you abide by the tenets of the faith, the virtues.
Actually, embody the seven virtues of Catholicism, humility.
alex stein
Well, Ian, this is the problem: I think that modern Christianity has been hijacked because if you look at, even though that's not in the, you know, they don't consider it a book of the Bible, but the Book of Thomas.
And even though it says in the Bible, in order to follow Jesus, you had to get into heaven.
You would give every basically Jesus had a lot of socialism views because you have to give up everything to follow him.
He even said it's easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven.
So, what we've done now is we have a lot of these prosperity gospels.
Druski had a great sketch.
You should pull up the Druski sketch.
We should watch that.
And modern-day Christianity has been hijacked.
It is not what Jesus taught.
It's an it's exactly, I would say that it's the opposite of what Jesus taught.
ian crossland
I thought Islam also, and this would be interesting to get your take, had been hijacked at some point in the history of the faith by government and it got twisted.
alex stein
It used to be let's watch this video.
This is like, this is why Christianity, and this is what it has become.
And sadly, this is not what Jesus taught.
This is the opposite of Jesus.
But there is a church like this, multiple churches in every city in America.
So, let's watch.
unidentified
Get ready for the revolution.
I'm going to have Wanda stand up here.
Wanda, please.
Wanda told us earlier this month that she could not have a baby anymore.
So I impregnated her with the word of God.
I'm going to impregnate everyone with the word of God.
You're going to get pregnant with the word of God.
You're going to get pregnant with the word of God.
Somebody in the congregation has to be aware of the people who are like the crazy world can be very dangerous.
ian crossland
Where a bunch of people can get it.
unidentified
And I walk in the blood of the vision that's doing it, but it's just give them some pain.
I'm a Christian first.
And I walk in the blood of Nathan.
Give them some pain.
alex stein
But I just don't think this is what Jesus is taught.
ian crossland
Not according to what he says.
Islam has been made.
I don't know enough about it.
It got taken, used by government for purposes just like the one who wants to holy Roman ever.
And then they got militarized all over.
sulaiman ahmed
So I don't think Islam militarized, but the thing is, I mean, my opinion is too controversial on this.
Muslims are not going to like it.
But I do think that Islam was going to get probably getting canceled.
But I do think Islam was Judified a while ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Judaified?
Yeah.
unidentified
I've been saying for years that Islam is Judaified.
It is.
It is.
alex stein
I mean, if you're really looking to, there are a lot of connections.
sulaiman ahmed
So I believe that when it comes to original Islam, whether it's the Quran, it's not.
But I think all the time, because Islam isn't just the Quran, obviously.
alex stein
Because Muhammad didn't write the Quran, it was written after.
sulaiman ahmed
No, no, no.
In my view, he wrote it.
Yeah.
alex stein
Okay, well, whatever.
He wrote part of it.
But I'm just okay.
Let's just say, okay, let's just say he wrote it all.
There were a lot of connections.
Everybody needs to go watch these videos.
There's some great videos on it.
If you look at the origins of Islam, it has a lot of Jewish connections.
phil labonte
Let's get some more Discord colors.
Okay, yeah, we'll get some.
Let's get some more.
Let's get some more Discord callers.
alex stein
Okay, we'll get here.
sulaiman ahmed
You don't think so?
I'm an afterlife, but not.
alex stein
So you don't think before?
I think I would say Christianity, if you look at Paul, he was Jewish.
And I would say Christianity is kind of a hijacked version of I think Christianity is so different to Judaism as well.
Well, I think there's a lot of people.
sulaiman ahmed
The way I see it is like the Jesus in the New Testament is very different to like Jesus God in the Old Testament.
alex stein
Well, Jesus, I mean, I guess we can argue about it, but Paul, you know, is basically the author of Christianity.
And Paul never even met Jesus.
Okay, all right.
sulaiman ahmed
Keeping his own destruction.
alex stein
If Alex is in a plane crash, like the movie Alive, would he eat a paralyzed person in order to survive since they are both a vegetable and meat?
I want to know where he stands.
Also, would his answer change if the person was also gay, since they would be a vegetable, a fruit, and a meat?
Ooh, man, this guy's a comedy Russian.
I need to steal this one.
Who's that?
ian crossland
Who was that by?
alex stein
That was Avid.
That was very good, Avid.
You know, actually, well, I think about this all the time, like, because I don't eat meat.
Well, no, I get no, not eating people, but I'm talking about eating meat.
And I always think, like, you know, if we do have another pandemic and they turn off the internet and they turned off our power and my cats died, maybe I would eat my cat if it was already dead, but I wouldn't kill my cat to eat it.
So if I was in the movie Alive, I saw that when I was a young kid.
Have you guys seen that movie?
Tate, you're too young.
So it's about the soccer team.
I think they're in Buenos Aires or wherever they were.
They crashed.
sulaiman ahmed
Oh, in the mountains.
alex stein
And they were stuck in a mountain.
And what time was people started to die and they were all starving?
So they had this moral conundrum.
They had no food.
They could start a fire.
And there was a couple dead bodies.
So what they did to survive, they ended up eating the bodies.
None of them want to do it.
They're like eating in the movie, crying while they're eating their friend.
sulaiman ahmed
So like two survived, right?
Or something?
alex stein
Yeah, no, I think it was maybe more than two people survived.
But yeah, I think it was only two.
Yeah, it was more than two.
tate brown
I think it was like five or six, but they ate each other and it was like a day and then they give up.
unidentified
What'd you guys do?
alex stein
So my point is: if I was on a mountain and that's the only way I could survive and I had to do it, I watched that movie.
Yes, but I mean, not unless that was in that situation where it was life or death.
I mean, I'm not a cannibal.
I'm not.
What's that?
Chrissy Teigen said, oh, I'd like to try human meat.
Now, I'm not like that crazy, but as a vegetarian, if the person is paralyzed already and they're brain dead, that's technically vegetable.
So in that weird circumstance, stuck on a mountain, trying to survive, I would eat the person.
ian crossland
Would you still tell people you're a vegetarian?
alex stein
Because they were like, yeah, I wouldn't count as a violation.
All right, next question: Prioralizer to baby daddy.
Okay, well, that's great.
This is for you, Sula, man.
Should law enforcement enforce laws?
If so, what difference does it make if they do it in one city or all?
sulaiman ahmed
No, so law enforcement should definitely enforce laws.
I think they're referring to the point I made earlier about being a bit more harsher.
I just don't think that the U.S. has the capability to go into every single city at the same time and basically round up all the illegal immigrants without causing the issues that happen in Minneapolis.
That's why I'd make it targeted, but I'd target a specific area first and then build from there.
alex stein
What do you say to that, Tate?
What do you think that law enforcement should enforce the law?
I agree.
I agree.
tate brown
I think it's a name.
ian crossland
If it's an evil law, law enforcement has a duty to defy the order.
alex stein
But see, they won't.
During the pandemic, we learned that they won't.
They'll arrest you for not wearing a mask.
They'll literally not let people go.
sulaiman ahmed
People will join them.
alex stein
And people will join.
ian crossland
And people will be like, well, now my opinion is that's an evil law.
So I'm going to ignore that.
And it's like, that's a slippery slope.
But Thomas Jefferson was very clear about it.
The Founding Fathers were very clear about tyrannical law and evil law, but it's like, who decides, you know, the masses of the community, essentially.
alex stein
Well, we're looking up some more questions.
Thank you guys in the Discord.
Please give us some questions right now.
You know, this has been an interesting Tim Cast IRL.
We just want to say that we love Israel so much.
Thank you for all the support you have given us, Bibi Netanyahu.
You are justified in everything that you do.
And I hope that you get pardoned very soon by what you're doing.
ian crossland
We talked about the Abrahamification of society.
I think society's got pretty Abrahamified over the last four or five thousand years.
All of it.
unidentified
Christian, got Jew, got Islam to get just got so we got the secret sauce, Abraham, man.
ian crossland
What about Taoism?
I mean, ain't that the one?
tate brown
Oh, there's a lot of Hindus now.
It's kind of part of the problem in America.
Big monkey statues.
They got their action figures that they pray with.
It's getting crazy.
I don't know what's going on.
ian crossland
Hinduism aside, I think.
sulaiman ahmed
What is it about Taoism you like?
ian crossland
The flow of nature.
I think they figured out what magnet, they were talking about the flow of magnetism in the universe, but they didn't have the tools to measure that magnetism was actually a thing.
So they just talked about it, but it's flowing through you.
You can feel it even, literally.
sulaiman ahmed
So we have that in Islam.
So we have like there's three components of Islam.
And it might be similar.
I don't know about Semin Christian.
It's definitely Seman Judaism.
But basically, it's what you call it again.
You've got the theology.
So like believing in God, how is God or theology?
Then you've got the law, which is the legal aspect.
And then you've got the spiritual aspect.
And the spiritual aspect of Islam is that type of stuff, like meditation and doing these type of like meditated acts and trying to become spiritually elevated and becoming one with the world and one with God.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
Is that I got more questions.
So there's three like just vector or three like areas of Islam.
There's law, the theology, and then the actual spirit, the spiritual practice itself.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah.
unidentified
It's interesting.
ian crossland
I like the spiritual practice.
unidentified
What?
Yeah, let's go with more.
alex stein
We got another one.
We need to have a Supreme Court case on gun-free zones since the Supreme Court ruled twice.
The police have no duty to protect.
How can they also make it illegal for you to protect yourself and others?
ian crossland
Who is that?
It's good to shut up their names.
They're.
alex stein
E. Greger.
E. Greger.
Thank you.
ian crossland
Sorry, Alex.
Can you say that?
alex stein
No, I need to shout out the name.
I. Greger, E. Greger.
unidentified
I don't know.
alex stein
E-I-G-R-E-G-O-R.
Yeah, I mean, obviously Phil believes that we should have a right to carry guns.
I mean, gun-free zones, I think, are just dangerous for people that are law-abiding citizens because there's always going to be people breaking the law that have a gun in a gun-free zone.
ian crossland
My experience in Florida, I've spent months here, is I feel so much better walking around outside, looking around, thinking all these people could have guns on them.
And they all think I could have a gun on me.
And it's really peaceful.
So obviously random bursts of crime are always possible.
It feels very secure believing everyone's armed, walking down the street.
phil labonte
New Hampshire has one of the highest per capita gun ownership, and they've got a murder rate that's lower than Canada.
Same thing with Maine.
In fact, not only that, there are more machine guns in the civilian population in New Hampshire than any other state, and their murder rate's lower than Canada.
alex stein
Suma probably disagrees, but I would argue the more guns you have, the safer you are, because people are more afraid of actually using their gun because somebody returns.
tate brown
Let's not beat around the bush, too.
I mean, it's the demographics of New Hampshire certainly help with the murder rate.
That definitely helps.
Let's not, you know, let's be honest here.
sulaiman ahmed
I mean, okay, let me answer that one because that one I disagree with.
But in terms of the first one, the guns, yeah, I think irrespective.
Yeah, I'm going to answer that one second.
But irrespective of what the mode is, people are violent.
So I don't think there's any sugar gunning.
In the UK, like we don't have guns, but we've got knife crime instead.
So it just ends up being a substitute.
And I do agree, actually, I think guns, well, as being a smaller guy, I mean, I'd much prefer having a gun if someone's going to come at me, right?
Now, in terms of same, brother.
phil labonte
Same.
That's why it's carrying guns.
sulaiman ahmed
In terms of what you said, look, I obviously don't agree.
I don't think it's just because of race.
I think there's a multitude of factors.
alex stein
It's a factor, you know, a factor.
tate brown
It's not everything, but it's not nothing.
alex stein
Well, you know, they always say, like, Betty White, you know, when there's like a mass shooting, and I'm sure, you know, maybe there are, you know, white people that do shootings, but I would argue that lately it's been more transparent.
unidentified
Same thing in the UK.
tate brown
It's like knife crime by whom?
Yeah, exactly.
phil labonte
The term mass shooting, though, has been twisted out of it.
It has been twisted outside of what it really means.
It used to be in the 90s, there was this phrase that you might not remember.
alex stein
Going postal, of course.
phil labonte
Yeah, going postal.
Because it was people that would take a gun to work and kill multiple people.
Then the left has taken the idea of a mass shooting and say, well, anytime there's a shooting and more than two people are shot, it's a mass shooting.
tate brown
But they don't do that.
That's the problem.
If they did do that, then we would have like it would be like a distinctly because they say it's like, oh, only white people commit mass shootings, but it's like, it has to be like potentially ideologically driven.
phil labonte
But they flip-flop on it because they'll, when they're arguing against guns.
tate brown
Well, because like in Chicago, there's mass shootings all the time, but it doesn't make the news headlines the same way as if it was like at a workout.
sulaiman ahmed
Who put the small school shootings?
tate brown
Well, if you can, if you factor.
phil labonte
Trans people now.
tate brown
No, a lot of it's black.
Like a lot of it's black.
sulaiman ahmed
No, I mean actual school shooting, not mass shootings.
Because you said mass shootings are just too oh.
tate brown
That's what I mean.
So I'm saying, but the left, when they're trying to say like it's only white people that commit mass shootings, it's because they have a very narrow definition where it's like they don't count their ideas.
The definition of a mass shooting is just multiple people shot.
phil labonte
No, but that's that's the point.
So they'll use the phrase mass shooting when they're talking about gun violence or when they're actually talking about we want to strengthen gun laws because they'll say anytime it's more than two people.
But there's a distinct difference between a mass shooting at a school and the term mass shooting brings to mind Columbine, Parkland, people, you know, a bunch of kids getting shot.
That's what people think of when you hear mass shooting.
But what they're talking about is people at a party at night.
Someone shoots at someone at a party and two people get hit because there's a dude behind them.
And they say, well, that was a mass shooting because multiple people got hit.
There was one intended target, right?
Or maybe it was gang violence, but they say that's a mass shooting when it's convenient.
But then when it's not convenient in your context, they'll switch the meaning to two groups.
ian crossland
Sorry, two groups and they shoot at each other and three people get hit.
phil labonte
They would call that a mass shooting because again, but it depends on the context.
If it's in the context of we want to pass laws, we want to pass gun control laws, then they'll use that as a mass shooting.
sulaiman ahmed
I just want to answer your point.
I think it's because of social.
I think it's based on poverty and a few other reasons.
Everybody exhibits violence, but in different ways.
alex stein
We have a question for you.
Somebody said, if you're not American, why do you feel like you have the right to tell us how to run our country?
sulaiman ahmed
I'm going to tell you because I teach you a better.
alex stein
But now, jokes aside, I think it's what I said in the last thing is why I want to focus on the UK.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, so I do focus on the UK, but I think what it is with the United States of America, it is just so important from a number of perspectives.
Whatever America decides impacts the whole world.
America has decided to value Christianity a lot more.
UK starts following suit.
America starts speaking about illegal immigration.
UK is copying them.
Anything America does, the world follows.
In addition to that, so that's from a cultural perspective.
Then from a political perspective, anything that America decides, whether it goes to war, whether it doesn't, UK follows suit.
UK is basically America's puppy dog.
And then the third thing is, whatever decisions America makes impacts the global market and we're all part of the global market.
unidentified
All right.
alex stein
Good answer.
All right.
Last question is somebody said, Alex, can we get more videos of you at city councils?
And what is it, school board meetings?
Yes, I'm the Pimp Von Ablam.
I got a new show on Real America's Voice where I'll be going all over the country, city councils, school boards, you name it.
I'll be there in my tug-friendly bathing suit going and saying for the Ukraine.
All right, guys, this has been the episode so far.
You know, I think we've had some spirited debates, you know, but I would like to, I guess, give all of us a chance to kind of wrap things up.
So with that being said, Suleiman, you have the floor.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, thanks for having me.
I really appreciate it.
It's been fun.
It's been enjoyable.
Really good conversation.
You can find me on YouTube.
I've started like a new YouTube channel, quite new anyway.
I've only been doing it for a few, like a month, I think, or two months.
Suleiman Ahmed X, where I give the latest geopolitical news.
And obviously Ruma Space is on there as well.
Yeah, so find me on there.
unidentified
That'd be brilliant.
alex stein
Well, thank you, Suleiman.
What do you got?
ian crossland
I got graphene.movie.
If you haven't been there yet, go to graphene.movie and check out the trailer for the upcoming nanotechnology documentary I'm working on, graphene movie.
That's graphene.movie.
Also, sign up for the mailing list if you haven't yet put your email address in there.
And follow me at Ian Crossland.
It has indeed been a spirited debate.
Here's to many more to come.
alex stein
Wait, why is graphene bad again?
phil labonte
It's on the table.
sulaiman ahmed
What?
ian crossland
It's dark.
sulaiman ahmed
You've been around with the sky too long.
ian crossland
Graphene?
It's really graphite.
Graphene is the red herring.
Graphite is really where it's at right now.
alex stein
Well, you know what?
phil labonte
It's all hot, though.
alex stein
Didn't Tim have on that Augustus Dorico guy that, you know, they're just spraying in a soda and people thought.
unidentified
He was hanging out.
alex stein
I really like that guy.
tate brown
Oh, he's a billionaire.
alex stein
You see, I can already tell why it takes because he's so young.
Because first of all, let's talk about ginger.
Well, that's part of his primary.
He's kind of a globalist, which I'm not sure.
sulaiman ahmed
I had a lot of anesthesia doesn't work on you guys.
tate brown
Yeah, also our temperature sensitivity is much higher.
So I can't handle hot plates or cold.
unidentified
I mean, I'm not.
sulaiman ahmed
I've been, well, you might not know this about me, but I'm the biggest advocate of gingers because they get a lot of abuse and a lot of hit.
I kind of like it.
unidentified
They say the solace.
alex stein
Some chicks are kind of hard.
I'm sorry.
tate brown
Thank you for going to bed.
I'll lighten up my Pakistan.
alex stein
Real quick because it shows up.
Well, how do you like a guy spraying stuff into the sky?
You don't know about chemtrails?
You think that's cool?
Well, I'm just saying he was cloud seating less than 24 hours after a horrible flood that killed a bunch of children.
And he went on a podcast tour saying, oh, we had nothing to do with it.
We were just cloud seating right before it.
It's like, dude, I don't want anybody manipulating the weather.
I don't want Israel doing it.
I don't want Augustus to Rico.
I don't want anybody doing it.
So, yeah, I mean, he's not based on it.
tate brown
Augustus is doing it so then Israel doesn't have it.
He's supplanting Israeli cloud seating.
I think he's very bass.
alex stein
Yeah, by name.
phil labonte
He's attacking Israeli dominance.
unidentified
You know, it's funny because if you're anti-Israel, you have to be better for you.
alex stein
I'm a lot older than you, but I remember in the summers in Texas when I played high school football, it didn't rain for like 70 days.
And then now the summers in Texas, it's raining like crazy.
sulaiman ahmed
So something that sounds about people messing around.
alex stein
They're definitely manipulating the weather, and I think that that's very dangerous for human beings to play God.
sulaiman ahmed
Yeah, true.
Agree.
unidentified
Phil.
phil labonte
Tate.
alex stein
Oh, it's a Tate.
tate brown
X and Instagram at RealTate Brown.
We got two installations of Across the Pond coming up for the weekend with Connor Tomlinson.
And on Sunday, we had Nathan Halberstadt join us, and we discussed sort of general Zoomer nihilism, especially with the discussion of Trump, obviously, you know, barring institutional buyers from the housing market, potentially.
So we broke that down and sort of the fact that Zoomers can't actually feel like they can own homes, the implication that has on Zoomers and contributes to nihilism that's just plaguing our generation.
So be on the lookout for those two episodes.
Again, they're going up on the Culture War channel.
Tomorrow, the episode goes up on Connors, and then Sunday goes up on the Culture War channel.
So do not miss it.
It's going to be great.
phil labonte
I am Phil that remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
We are going on tour this spring in May, or in April, we start April 29th.
We'll be in Albany.
We're going to go out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.
The band is all that remains.
Check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
alex stein
And we want to thank our sponsors, Bearskin.
Is that correct?
unidentified
Yeah, Bearskin.
alex stein
I said, Bearskin.
Everybody, go by Bearskin.
And I just want to say thank you to BBNet one last time for everything you do for our country.
I'm sorry we haven't started that war with Iran.
I hope we turn into a parking lot very soon for you.
And, you know, maybe you guys do run the world, but hey, you guys are the ones that deserve to do it because you're the smartest, most beautiful, and the most talented.
So we love you, Israel.
Say you love Israel, Suleiman.
One.
sulaiman ahmed
We'll never ever say it.
unidentified
Why not?
You can't say I love Israel.
Bruv.
alex stein
Dude, we're going to get canceled.
unidentified
Just say it.
We're going to get canceled.
Cut the people who loves Israel.
Galgodonto loves Israel.
Galgodonto.
We're going to go touch the wall.
You need to go to the cloud wall.
Go to Hadrian's wall and pray on that.
That's the middle ground.
tate brown
It's a great wall.
unidentified
Galgado is very proud.
alex stein
Go to the one in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv or wherever.
I don't even know where the hell it is.
Go to it.
sulaiman ahmed
Your soul loves us.
alex stein
No, your soul gets into heaven by kissing it.
Or do they believe in heaven?
I don't know.
I forget.
sulaiman ahmed
But I'll say this much.
You got to have a soul.
phil labonte
Galgodo.
alex stein
But I'll tell you what I do have is I have love for you, the viewer at home.
Make sure to hit that like button, hit that subscribe button.
And Tim is in jail when he gets bonded out.
He's going to be back on this show.
He's in jail for murder.
Somebody was in front of his car and he actually ran him over.
Unlike that bitch, Renee, good.
Tim doesn't mess around.
He hits the gas hard and he does not stop till the person is smashed like a bug.
So with all that being said, thank you for watching, Tim Cast RO.
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