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tim pool
House Oversight Committee Chair Rep Comer is threatening Hillary and Bill Clinton with criminal charges for refusing to answer subpoenas related to the Epstein case.
And wow, am I absolutely expecting nothing to happen?
And it's a slow news day where the only thing anyone's talking about is Epstein.
And we actually have a Democrat delegate caught colluding with Epstein to go after Trump, and the Democrats are defending it.
So I couldn't tell you why Trump all of a sudden wants the Epstein files released after saying they were bunk.
And then before that, saying we'd release them, and then he gets elected and says they're bunk, but now he wants to release them.
I got no idea what's going on.
Other than I go to these mainstream media websites, I go to their front page, and I'm like, what's the news today?
And they have like 80 articles about Epstein.
Nothing substantive.
And that's why I'm like, so what's everybody talking about?
What's a trending thing?
Well, they're threatening Bill and Hillary Clinton with prison.
Okay, to be fair, they did this to Bannon and Navarro.
And so if the Republicans actually grow some, if you know what I mean, they might actually say contempt of Congress.
We'll see iData.
But there is a big story in this Democrat Plaskett who was caught colluding with Epstein.
She's now admitted to it, defended it, and is saying, well, no one really knew what he was doing at the time in 2019 when literally everybody knew what he was doing.
He was sued, already criminally charged, and was a registered sex offender.
It's fascinating that the Democrats tried to go after Trump on the Epstein stuff.
I don't understand.
Did they not think at least one move ahead?
I'd love to play them in chess for money.
So we'll talk about that and a whole lot more, a bunch of stories.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.
We've got JP Sears.
jp sears
Hello.
Good to see y'all.
And you can find me on YouTube and Rumble.
My handle is AwakenWithJP.
tim pool
What do you do?
jp sears
I'm a comedian.
I have a lot to say about politics and I like to share my perspectives through the language of comedy.
So I do multiple sketches a week.
Don't even know the schedule.
It's a lot.
Right on.
tim pool
Should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got race car driver extraordinaire, Cody Dennison.
cody dennison
Audio.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
No, I just explained it.
Tell us.
cody dennison
I struggle to go in circles, which you would think would be way easier, but I found it's a lot harder than I expected.
tim pool
You're better at turning left than anyone here.
cody dennison
Well, that's damn sure.
tim pool
Whoa.
cody dennison
I don't know.
We were upstairs earlier.
I don't know.
tim pool
I was teaching Cody the ropes because we got NASCAR 25.
Yeah.
And I was trying to explain to him what you do is you just, when you're drive, when you're about to pass somebody, you nudge them so they spin out of control and crash.
And I'm sitting here like, how did I figure this out before you?
cody dennison
Yeah, dude, it's wild.
Yeah, I was, I've not even won a race in the game yet.
You were just winning over and over.
And I'm like, maybe there's something to this, but I'm the kind of guy that when I'm playing like Elder Scrolls Oblivion, I can't choose the mean option.
It just, it hurts my feelings for the NPC.
tim pool
The NPCs, you want to let them win because they're your friends.
cody dennison
It's like, you know how it has an option where it's like, you know, get out of here, you fool.
I'm just like, no, you can come with me and I'll save you.
phil labonte
We need Cody to program the AI.
That's what he said.
That way the AI will never be mean.
It'll always do nice things.
cody dennison
It's so kind.
I can't help it, dude.
No matter what playthrough on any game, I just can't hurt anybody.
I'm weird.
tim pool
Well, it should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Brett is here.
brett dasovic
Better at turning left.
That means you're like the opposite of Zoolander.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
That is a pop culture reference from a long time ago.
brett dasovic
If you don't know who I am, Brits, Brett, guys, pop culture crisis.
Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is, of course, noon Pacific.
How are you doing, Phil?
phil labonte
I'm doing quite well.
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal and all that remains.
I'm an anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
And I am equally proficient at turning left and right, but not nearly as good as Cody Clinton.
tim pool
Have you been watching Pluribus?
Oh, come on.
How do you even know?
I want to talk about that show again.
brett dasovic
Apple TV is for people who get shoved into lockers.
tim pool
Well, but Pluribus is basically a show about AI, and it feels like they're trying to convince you AI takeover is a good thing.
So, but we'll talk about that.
Let's first start with this story from Newsweek: Bill and Hillary Clinton risk prison over Epstein's silence.
They risk it.
No Republicans got the chutzpah to actually do it.
So I don't even know why Newsweek is writing about it, but they put it on the front page of their website because they expect it to get clicks.
House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer said on Tuesday that former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton could face criminal exposure related to newly surfaced Jeffrey Epstein documents.
Quote, we expect to hear from Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Comer said on Just the News, No Noise, Donald Trump answered questions for years about Jeffrey Epstein.
Every day he gets asked questions about Epstein, and he answers them in front of the American people.
We've subpoenaed Republicans and Democrats.
They go on to say the DOJ said Friday it's examining Epstein's purported connections to high-profile Democrats, among them Bill Clinton.
As part of the investigation, Comer issued subpoenas to the Clintons and eight other individuals that followed the release by Congress last week of more than 20,000 pages of documents.
A batch of newly released correspondence includes messages involving Trump, among them an email from Epstein's brother Mark, referring to photos of Trump, quote, blowing Bubba.
While Bubba is a nickname of Clinton, Clinton.
Mark Epstein told Newsweek that the individual was not the former president.
He described the exchanges as a lighthearted banter between siblings and said they were never intended to be made public or interpreted literally.
Or Trump and Bill Clinton were more than friends.
That proves it.
Is this why Trump didn't want the Epstein files?
brett dasovic
All the evidence I need.
tim pool
He goes like Pam Bondi's like, Mr. President, there's literally nothing in here that's incriminating at all.
And he's like, okay, well, we should release him.
But there is an email claiming you blew Bill Clinton.
Wait a minute, what?
We can't release this.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
That's not coming out.
cody dennison
It's not illegal.
I mean, think about how much power he would gain over everybody and went over the left if he just came out there and was like, it's a presidential one.
I had to do it.
tim pool
I had to do it.
cody dennison
It was right in front of me.
Everybody else done it.
tim pool
Every president, it's the hazing machine for all presidents.
cody dennison
And then everybody would be like, oh, wow.
tim pool
He's great.
Every president has to service every other living president as they enter office.
brett dasovic
It's like the picture of Bill Clinton when he's at the desk and it says, little do you know there's two people in this photo?
It was actually Trump.
It wasn't Monica Lewinsky.
jp sears
I was just going to say, personally, I am shocked to hear the Clintons mentioned in association with Epstein.
But also, to me, the most optimistic part of this article, somewhere in it says Newsweek reached out to the Clintons for comment, but no comment was returned.
That's good.
You know, I would have expected Newsweek to say, yeah, we reached out to Clintons for comment, but our reporter wound up hanging themselves in a tree, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
tim pool
Two of them.
jp sears
Gun found 30 feet away.
It's suicide.
Sorry to see the reporter coming in.
phil labonte
Kudos to the reporters for actually reaching out in the first place.
That's a dangerous thing.
jp sears
It's very courageous.
cody dennison
Imagine being able to do that.
brett dasovic
They did the thing where they reach out at like the last exact moment at like 11:59 p.m. and they got a turn-in copy by midnight.
They're like, I asked.
They send it back to me.
phil labonte
It was an anonymous email from someone who started their own Yahoo account so they could send it to the Clintons.
cody dennison
Dude, imagine being that one reporter and you're like sitting there, your cubicle alone and every sweating.
The boss walks up to you and he's like, slides it towards your desk.
phil labonte
They drew straws.
cody dennison
Everybody's watching, like shaking.
It's like, it's your time, Rodrigo.
tim pool
Here's what he said.
He said, so we expect the Clintons to come in, or I expect the Clintons to be met with the same fate that Bannon and Navarro were met with when the Democrats were in control.
House Democrats sought criminal charges against Bannon, and we know this about Navarro as well.
And actually, they both went to prison.
You know, if the Republicans actually made some moves and arrested Bill and Hillary Clinton, and it was like for four months, I would feel pretty good, but I don't know if it's satisfactory enough.
I mean, they're both old and out of the picture at this point.
Is it just throwing some rotted red meat at the base to be like, oh, we're going to do something to the Clintons?
They're not going to do anything.
phil labonte
I mean, just for comedy, just because it would be hilarious to see the Clintons actually facing some kind of repercussions for something they did, I think it would be funny.
cody dennison
It would make people feel a little good.
And then I wouldn't wake up in a sweat at 3 a.m. every night like I do right now.
I know Hillary Clinton.
She exists.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jp sears
And I think if Hillary was in prison for a few months, Netflix could do a reality women's prison show.
That would be great.
You got to imagine Hillary's going to be the boss running the prison just within three minutes.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jp sears
Intimidating everybody.
tim pool
You know, I would like to see if so, you know, that scene from Watchmen where Rorschach is in line?
You know, this is what I'm talking about.
But like, it's Hillary.
phil labonte
Hillary, you're all, you're not.
tim pool
The woman's like, I heard, you know, and then Hillary grabs the thing and splashes the lady with you.
Boiling oil.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Or, I mean, to be completely honest, she gets into prison and immediately it's like, okay, boss, like, she's already the boss of these people.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
cody dennison
It's going to be like those old mob movies where they had like their own rooms and chefs and they had pulled tables and cards and drugs and stuff.
tim pool
I mean, I got to be honest, if Hillary Clinton and Bill went to prison outside, everybody would be cheering as they go in, you know, hands cuffed, and Hillary is like, I'll get you for this Trump.
And then as soon as the door closed, they uncover.
Sorry, man, the hander closed.
And then like, right, this way, there's like a luxury suite.
brett dasovic
Yeah, the real way to take them down would be to go after their assets, would be to go after, is the Clinton Foundation even still?
tim pool
It's no, it's not.
They're 300 years old.
So it's fine to say we want answers from the Clintons on this stuff, but they're like 300 years old.
You know, like, can we just, this is, I suppose we should say, of course, we want answers from the Clintons, but at a certain point, they're so old and it's so 10 years ago.
Are there more pressing issues to focus on right now?
Like Gen Z. How old are they?
Like 900.
brett dasovic
They're not 900.
They're like, what, in their 70s?
cody dennison
Just put Jen's.
tim pool
Oh, we have the internet.
brett dasovic
In the 70s, you know, theoretically, they could live to be Jimmy Carter age.
So, you know, you get inferred.
tim pool
When is 78 years old?
phil labonte
79.
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow.
brett dasovic
Who went to prison for the rest of their lives?
That could theoretically be like 20 years if they were if they ended up like they're at life expectancy.
cody dennison
So, theoretically, we'll give them a certain sentence and then just put their kids in afterwards.
tim pool
If you get 20 years, and if you don't make it, the remaining years go to your daughter.
cody dennison
It's the crime family.
tim pool
Let's go.
brett dasovic
She's like, No, but if I get exonerated, you have to listen to Chelsea Clinton's podcast for the rest of your life.
tim pool
Does she have a podcast?
brett dasovic
I think she does.
phil labonte
Yes, she does.
jp sears
Yeah, I'm sure it's crushing it.
I mean, her and Michelle Obama, just people care what they have to say.
tim pool
Um, it's called That Can't Be True with Chelsea Clinton, and uh, it's like one guy who comes up with all the fans for every podcast.
jp sears
I imagine they named her podcast after like their response to all the allegations against the Clinton family.
That can't be true.
unidentified
Wait, hold on.
jp sears
That would be a good name for a podcast.
phil labonte
I can't be the safest answer.
tim pool
She had a podcast called In Fact with Chelsea Clinton in 2022.
I guess that's gone.
How many has 300 reviews and it got four stars?
cody dennison
What was her first one?
tim pool
And she's got that can't be true with Chelsea Clinton.
And this one is ongoing.
This is the new one, That Can't Be True, funded by the Clinton Foundation.
brett dasovic
She should start a true crime podcast called The Clinton Crime Test.
The views that thing would get would be astronomical.
phil labonte
Yeah, women like Chelsea Clinton and they like True Crime.
So, I imagine it would be one of the most popular podcasts on Apple Podcasts immediately.
tim pool
So, wait, you have to go to the Clinton Foundation YouTube.
They have 12,000 subscribers.
I mean, this is the thing.
At what point are we like, I wish we got answers on the Clintons, but they're so old out of the picture.
Are we just spinning our wheels?
jp sears
Well, I think they're probably the biggest name that's been named or allegedly involved with Epstein.
So, I think people want to see that because they're the biggest name, but I don't think they're the most relevant.
Like, Bill probably wasn't in there running the operation, and Epstein's working for him.
He's potentially a client, but I think there's bigger fish to fry when we're looking at getting justice on the crimes that happened.
brett dasovic
When you did the, I was talking to you before the show, I mentioned that you did a video on Epstein, and it was like it had to be like 2020, and it's one of my favorites.
Like, I still can still quote parts of it, and in the background, you had like a big thing that said Clinton body count, and I think it was at 50 at the time.
jp sears
Yeah, no, what's interesting?
That video came out in, I think, February of 2020, so right before COVID.
And back then, YouTube was censoring talk about Epstein.
Like, that video got something done to it.
Some other stuff I did on Epstein, that was just nuts.
Like, okay, big tech is censoring opinions on Epstein.
That's interesting.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, big tech was censoring basically anything that the Democrats told them to censor at the time.
cody dennison
Oh, allegedly.
COVID opened everyone's eyes, especially just normal people.
phil labonte
Yeah.
cody dennison
Like, you have these niche groups of people that are in entertainment, or maybe they hold different opinions than which would normally be accepted in certain levels of entertainment.
And all of a sudden, you know, everybody was finding out you couldn't even say it on Facebook.
I mean, normal people would say something on Facebook and get censored for 24 hours and get muted.
So all these normal people started seeing this and they're like, wait, something strange is going, you know, going on.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that it was that this is something that we said around the table before.
Even though overall COVID was a terrible thing, like the way the government behaved and stuff, it really did open so many people's eyes to how deceptive the government is.
And that's kind of a double-edged sword because there are people out there now where the default opinion is, of course, the government's lying.
If the government said it, it can't be true.
And that isn't really productive at all.
There are a lot of people that are just like, look, man, they got me when it came to COVID.
I bought that.
And now I won't get, you know, bamboozled again.
So anything they say, they have to be lying.
If the government says it has to be lying.
And I feel like that doesn't work functionally.
jp sears
I'm in that camp, Phil, and I like it there.
You don't have to think just automatically.
They're lying.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jp sears
They said gravity's real.
brett dasovic
Is there an example you can think of of something that like you've seen people saying, like, this is clearly untrue?
unidentified
And you're like, hold your horses.
phil labonte
Not off the top.
brett dasovic
You're dad now, so you can say hold your horses.
phil labonte
Yeah, I can say hold your horses.
Not off the top of my head.
Mostly, it's the thing that at least strikes me the most is the attitude that people have.
Like, so if you'll say something, people think that now because they are skeptical of everything, that they're somehow like enlightened in some way, and they're just like, oh, and it's more of a, you know, like, you're so dumb, and I'm so smart because I don't believe this, or you believe, you must believe that.
So you're dumb.
It's more the attitude that I notice more so than any particular topic or issue.
jp sears
I agree with you.
To me, it's, you know, they probably call themselves a free thinker, but if their automatic default is a position of defiance relative to what a government official says, there's no thinking involved.
phil labonte
Perma bears are right sometimes, right?
If you're constantly saying the market's going to crash, the market's going to crash, the market's going to crash, and you're saying it for 10 years.
When the market crashes, it's not that you were like had some kind of great insight.
It's that you've been saying the market's going to crash.
And so when it finally does, eventually, you know, the clocks, even a broken clock's right twice a day.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from CNN.
This, you know, this should be one of the biggest stories of our generation.
And it is a Democrat caught colluding with Epstein when he was well known to have been a sex offender, trafficking minors.
This Democrat says, but he was a constituent.
He was texting with her, telling her what to ask Michael Cohen.
And they used this to go after Trump under these false criminal charges.
Democrats are now trying to pin the whole Epstein thing on Trump.
Trump's saying it's a hoax.
I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
But what I will say is: be it seasonal, be it fatigue, be it just an off year, people are pretty detached from politics right now.
And based on this story not getting nearly as much attention as it is, maybe I don't have to be worried just because it's an off-cycle year and people don't really pay attention.
But I can't believe this is not a front page headline, extra, extra scandal.
Let me show you.
So there's two components to the scandal: a failed effort to censure Democrats over texts with Epstein.
More importantly, that some Republicans cut a backroom deal with the Democrats to protect this woman who colluded with Jeffrey Epstein.
It is shocking.
It should be disqualifying for all the Republicans involved.
And every Democrat voted to protect her.
I'm going to stress this.
During a hearing, this is Stacey Plaskett from the Virgin Islands.
She, quote, represented Jeffrey Epstein.
He texted her about specific names to ask about because Epstein knew about Trump's inner workings to a certain degree, and she did not.
And she was using this information to smear Donald Trump.
Fascinating.
Epstein hated Trump.
And Democrats are trying to act like they were friends.
But no, actually, now the emails release prove he did not like Trump at all.
And they were working with him the whole time.
Listen to this.
stacey plaskett
And I got a text from Jeffrey Epstein, who at the time was my constituent, who was not public knowledge at that time that he was under federal investigation.
tim pool
See what you just did right there?
phil labonte
He was not in federal.
tim pool
This was February, I believe it was February 27th.
It was February of 2019.
The Miami Herald story broke in 2018.
The investigation of which these issues were going on for a long time.
And Jeffrey Epstein had already served time for soliciting a minor for prostitution and got a sweetheart deal.
There are some speculating that she was in the pocket of Epstein, that he she worked for him, that she was the delegate because he put the money up to make sure that would happen.
And that's why she wasn't just colluding.
He was telling her what to do.
Now, what's just one last point?
They were going to just censure her.
That's it.
That means they're going to wiggle their finger at her.
And they couldn't even do that because I believe it was three Republicans cut a backroom deal to protect a woman working with Epstein.
This is insane that they tried to use this against Trump, did it themselves, and then several Republicans defected to protect her.
brett dasovic
The funny thing is, we were just talking about your default status of not trusting politicians.
This is why.
Like weasel words used to get yourself out of trouble.
This is why people have a default status to just not trust anything a government official says.
Because more often than not, you're going to be right.
Maybe they're not always lying, but are they always self-interested?
Yes, absolutely.
phil labonte
And it goes beyond just one party, clearly.
This is something where Congress will protect Congress because they're hoping that, well, when I need that vote, they'll vote for me.
But in this case, she's not even a voting member, right?
It's the Virgin Islands.
I don't know that she even gets to vote on Bill.
unidentified
I got a question for you guys.
tim pool
Phil, you're a rock star.
When you have issues related to high-profile hearings about former presidents, current presidents, or frontrunners for the presidency, when you text your member of Congress advice, do they usually just agree with it?
Do they give you any pushback and say it's not appropriate?
phil labonte
They tend not to reply.
They tend to ignore me.
tim pool
You actually have their phone numbers.
phil labonte
Not their phone numbers.
I will send a message to the office and say when you go to this hearing.
brett dasovic
Texting an actual person.
tim pool
Well, that's strange.
I mean, what about the rest of you?
When you text your member of Congress, how does a conversation usually go?
brett dasovic
I get them on WhatsApp.
jp sears
Yeah, well, they don't respond to my texts unless I'm in prison.
Then they're all about like, I need this guy's advice.
And then they want to hear me.
phil labonte
That's probably the go-to.
Get your point arrested.
And then.
tim pool
The point, of course, is she's saying, he was just my constituent.
Ah, yes.
Yeah.
I text my member of Congress all.
Well, to be fair, Riley Moore's a friend of the show.
phil labonte
True, true.
brett dasovic
But the point is weasel words.
That's what I'm talking about.
Weasel words when she says stuff like this.
And this is why people don't trust politicians.
phil labonte
Riley replies because he wants to be able to still use the skate park.
That's why he actually will reply.
tim pool
Well, he needs to come skate, Riley.
jp sears
Is there any word who the Republican members were that were part of this backdoor deal to protect her?
tim pool
There was a story about it, but like I didn't see.
I mean, we could pull the list.
It was because I don't get the names.
We could pull up the list of names.
Tim Burchett's roasting them saying a handful of Republicans took a dive on a vote to strip Stacey Plaskett of her position on House Intel because of her ties to Epstein.
They did it to protect a Republican facing his own ethics issues from a similar vote.
This backroom deal-ish is swampy, wrong, and always deserved to be called out.
This is wild.
Nancy Mace called it a backroom deal.
Democrats are on TV protecting this woman who was literally taking instruction from Jeffrey Epstein to go after Donald Trump.
And three Republicans concerned with rep Corey Mills ethics issues decided to protect Epstein.
I got questions.
brett dasovic
It is crazy that they started framing Donald Trump as bad by using Jeffrey Epstein as like the example of saying like, well, Jeffrey Epstein said he's bad, so he must be bad.
Like it takes one bad guy to know another, I suppose.
cody dennison
Well, think about that for a moment, right?
Because it was Trump's bad because he's best friends with Epstein.
Now it's Trump's bad because Epstein hates him.
It's like you can't have it both ways, man.
And it's even crazier to me that people will try to defend this.
And the same people that try to defend this are the people that regularly morally grandstand about how much empathy they have, and they care about everybody, but they've completely ignore the fact that this thing that took place was 11 years after Epstein was charged with child crimes.
Yeah.
They don't care.
They just want the W, man.
They just want the win.
phil labonte
It's just about a vector of attack.
Yeah.
They don't like President Trump, so they can go ahead and use, you know, if they can use any, basically anything that they can use to attack him, they're going to use.
jp sears
By the way, at this point, when we look at Epstein's body of work, is it considered anti-Semitic to criticize it?
Or are we allowed to do it?
brett dasovic
It depends on what side of Twitter you're on.
unidentified
Okay.
phil labonte
Depends on why you're criticizing him.
If you're criticizing him because of him being friendly with Donald Trump, then it's anti-Semitic.
If you're criticizing him when he was attacking Donald Trump, well, then no, it's not anti-Semitem.
That makes sense.
jp sears
I appreciate those rules.
tim pool
Don Bacon, Lance Gooden, and David Joyce.
So that's Nebraska, Texas, and Ohio.
And then there were three who voted present: Andrew Garberino, Dan Mauser, and Jay Obernolte.
brett dasovic
Like that guy who voted not to release the Epstein files.
phil labonte
That one dude.
One dude.
brett dasovic
That one guy.
cody dennison
That one guy.
tim pool
What was the name?
jp sears
He was from Louisiana.
It's like, dude, read the room.
Like, realize you're going to be the only one.
You're going to stand out.
cody dennison
That's like going to a skating ring when you're a kid for a birthday party and you go in and there's no one there.
And you're like, it was.
This is the right place.
tim pool
It was Clay Higgins, right?
phil labonte
Clay Higgins, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, Clay Higgins.
phil labonte
Republican from Louisiana.
tim pool
Voted not to release the Epstein files.
unidentified
I don't know.
brett dasovic
That guy better have just the.
phil labonte
There better be zero skeletons in any closet for that guy, because he's his argument was that it it would, it could harm innocents uh, innocent people.
tim pool
Um, you're sure it wasn't that his constituents would be upset if they released the uh documents with their names in it?
phil labonte
I mean possibly.
cody dennison
But yeah yeah, and the victims have come out and said that they don't, they don't even mind if their names are redacted or not.
phil labonte
There were victims that this is something that I I continue to mention.
There were victims two months ago or so, three months ago that said, we, if they don't release the Epstein files, we're gonna get together our own list because we, the victims blah blah, blah.
Where's this list?
brett dasovic
What has prevented them from doing that?
jp sears
So, on that, the question I always have is, like, when Marjorie Taylor Green has all the victims together and they're doing um, you know, talk to the camera thing, you got all the news organizations there, what stops the victims from just naming names?
brett dasovic
Like they're there on camera, the news isn't gonna like, it's live defamation, like is it literally they're afraid of getting sued by very, very powerful people.
jp sears
The only thing I can think of is they, they fear for their lives.
brett dasovic
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you can get sued if you're making an accurate accusation at a child predator, but if there's no proof like unless it's the documents are the only place where proof exists and there's no other proof then you're making a claim.
phil labonte
This is gonna set a lot of people on fire, but it's That they don't actually have anything to produce.
You know, they're every like it seems to me that a lot of people are like talking about, oh, you know, this person's on the list, that person's on the list, et cetera, et cetera.
And it seems like this is more of a threat and a way to basically slime people than any kind of actual legitimate, legitimate, substantial threat.
Even Elon Musk said, oh, Donald Trump is on the Epstein list.
What does on the list mean?
jp sears
Sure.
phil labonte
Does it mean that they have that was a list of people that he was blackmailing?
Or is it just the list of people that have been to the island?
brett dasovic
Well, the term has become amorphous now, right?
Like you don't even know what it means.
Because one of the things that the media was doing for the last several months before they got onto the current train of thought that they have was anytime documents would come out and somebody's like, I was there.
Donald Trump was not there.
Like Trump was mentioned in documents, which is just them saying that he wasn't there, which is just a way to frame it and make it a bigger case than it is.
phil labonte
That's what it seems like to me.
Because nothing has actually materialized that's actionable in any way, it seems like it's just people making threats and using the phrase Epstein list to slime people and to either take heat off themselves or to make accusations that they don't ever have any intent of producing anything substantial there.
brett dasovic
It also proves how petty Elon Musk is that he made that tweet that long ago and then now they're back hanging out again.
phil labonte
Maybe.
jp sears
You know, I mean, I think Elon was emotional during that tweet.
brett dasovic
Petty and emotional.
jp sears
That was nuts.
tim pool
I would never describe Elon as petty and emotional.
brett dasovic
No, buying Twitter wasn't petty.
tim pool
I'm kidding.
Elon is, if you took a guy, well, if you took a computer nerd and just cranked all of his emotions to 11, I feel like you get Elon.
brett dasovic
You know, him fighting with Billie Eilish about how he should spend his money.
I was like, you don't have to respond, bro.
tim pool
You know, I got to be honest.
You know what I think?
I think it is.
You know what I think it is?
It's happening.
I think we were under the boot of a deep state for a long time and that the views on social media and the ratings on TV were all fake.
I think that Mockingbird probably went crazier than people realized and media was much more controlled than people realized.
And the internet kind of broke the machine.
Because I've been, you know, right now there's a big behind the scenes for those that are curious in media right now.
One of the big concerns is ad rates are way down when they should not be and viewer count is way down when it should not be.
And I'm not just talking about politics.
People have been highlighting that there are certain sporting events and hobby YouTube where it's like the views seem low right now, which is odd considering it's getting cold.
So and we're near the end of the year, which means ad rates should be going up and views should be going up.
But we're seeing many people reporting views are down and ad rates are going down along with it.
I can't speak to viewers for the most part.
They've dipped a little bit.
I think for the most part, we've been stable, but ad rates for sure have gone down.
I've been talking with a lot of people in media about this phenomenon.
What do they think is happening?
I think it's largely due to economics and potentially lack of children coming in as older people go out.
But part of the conversation is that when we're tracking metrics from other big tech platforms, the one thing we've all started to notice is that they all seem fake.
It all seems fake.
The numbers are not behaving like humans.
We've come to a point right now.
I mean, Trump nukes USAID.
The slush fund, the slush fund money starts disappearing.
All of a sudden, we see a divergence in the behavior and revenue streams and audience totals as if something was artificially creating a track.
Something was artificially making sure certain channels got views and money and certain channels didn't get views and money.
And now the data seems to be acting strangely and for the season going down.
I wonder if, actually, let me put it like this.
You may think I am paranoid, but I will remind you of when Elon Musk announced he put a bid in for Twitter before it was X, liberals started bleeding followers.
Their follower counts were collapsing and conservatives were skyrocketing.
And everyone said, How is that possible?
Liberals said, Oh, it's because everyone's fleeing to other platforms.
That wasn't true.
So, what was happening that made conservatives gain followers?
And the response was, oh, people are coming back.
No, that doesn't make sense.
Millions of people just saw a news report Elon to buy Twitter, maybe.
And they said, Guess I'll sign up.
I don't think so.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
People following liberals on social media on X or on Twitter at the time said, What?
Elon might buy the platform.
Better leave right now.
The theory was that the U.S. government had some kind of, they had a backdoor into these platforms.
That we know is true.
And as soon as it became, as soon as it looked like Elon was getting Twitter, they said, quick, burn the evidence, flicked the switch on whatever weird algorithm was propping up these fake numbers, switching everything, collapsing their fake system.
My point ultimately is with Elon.
The reason I break this up is Elon's a weird dude.
He does not behave.
CEOs behave.
And I think it's because, for the most part, they've always been fake.
Everybody knows, you know, Deepwater Horizon happens and then you get the BP guy.
We're sorry.
You know, I can tell you this.
I'd be willing to actually place a wager on the next time there's some kind of disaster.
I'll be like, oh, bro, I will write verbatim the speech from the CEO based on the disaster.
We know exactly what they're going to say.
It's fake.
It's plastic.
Nobody believes them.
Things are changing now.
Elon Musk is behaving in very strange ways.
It seems like not just with Elon, but with many other facets of our social infrastructure, we're starting to see real people, real numbers, and the machine state that was kind of smoothing things over to create appearances is losing control and kind of disappearing.
brett dasovic
I mean, Elon is an example of somebody who's made his brand every bit as much about him as the companies that he runs, but that's not necessarily how the rest of the Fortune 500.
I read so much about like David Zazlav and David Ellison and all of these CEOs in the entertainment companies, and they all talk the exact same thing.
tim pool
We're not talking in absolute cheese.
I'm not claiming that the old world ceased to exist.
I'm saying that the machine state that smoothed things over is waning and we are starting to see emergence of real people, real numbers, real metrics, and it defies our expectation because we have lived in a bot dead internet forever.
That is, my theory is, and maybe I'll speak a little bit more on the uncensored portion of the show to avoid potential litigation, but I will keep it somewhat vague that there are prominent social media platforms whose numbers don't make sense and don't track onto other platforms, implying they are using bots.
And as we've already pointed out numerous times in the past, it is a fact that prominent social media sites use bots to prop up viewer count.
I'll give you an example.
It is known that the CEO, the co-founders of Reddit, when they first launched the site, created fake accounts, sock puppets, to interact with users so they would believe there was real engagement on the platform.
They faked it.
This has been the case for many big social media platforms.
I think what's happening now with, you know, people have complained, like, why are my views down?
When Elon bought Twitter, they were like, my views are down now.
And it's like, maybe because they were never there in the first place.
And what was happening was there was a machine state that said, if someone says something that's anti-Trump, pump it up.
If someone says something that is pro-Trump, drop it down.
Elon comes in and they're like, quick, run for the hills.
And now people are going, why are my numbers different?
Why are my subscriber growth different?
jp sears
And yeah, and there's no question the big tech companies.
you know, Twitter before Elon and Zuckerberg, YouTube, they've all had a political agenda that's just so obvious.
You look at the Twitter files, the Biden administration instructing them on who and what to censor.
It would make sense.
Not only are they like censoring conservatives, but doing the fake optics to make their side who supports their agenda, fake optics, make them look, you know, more popular, which then helps them gain more popularity.
So to me, what you're saying, theoretically, it makes sense.
cody dennison
Yeah, I remember prior to Elon Musk, you know, getting Twitter and switching it to X, I remember I would log in and my feed would just, every single profile picture was just a politician with their little tie on and it was a statement and it had 100,000 likes and no engagement.
And I remember everything I was seeing, I would have to pretty much mute things like that because it would be my entire feed, my entire feed.
And then you have this, like Tim said, this machine kind of collapsing.
And then at the same time, in my opinion, you have people trying to gravitate, especially after COVID, like what me and Phil were talking about, after seeing all the fakeness and all of what I call corpo speak, you see people gravitating towards real people that have real emotions and real react, you know, real reactions to things.
And they don't try to hide these things.
And yeah, it can be a little coarse sometimes, but people want realness and they're tired of hearing the, oh, we're sorry you feel that way.
I had a, I've been in a spat with YouTube the past two days because they started charging me every day.
phil labonte
Is it actually like they're charging you like you will get like less money?
cody dennison
Yeah.
So, you know, my revenue was supposed to be like a couple thousand dollars and I checked it and it was pretty much zero.
And I was like, what's going on?
And it was just, I've never had a negative day in seven years on YouTube.
And it was like negative 200, negative 98, negative 140.
And I was like, oh my gosh, this is at the end of my life.
It's over.
And I, you know, YouTube keeps telling me to talk to, you know, the customer support.
And they're just like, they don't even know what I'm talking about.
They don't even know what I'm referring to.
Right.
And, you know, YouTube finally emailed me after it was trending all day today.
But yeah, it's pretty devastating watching your revenue go down.
And that's the thing is people are tired.
phil labonte
You have to watch it go down.
It's another thing to be like, you owe us money.
cody dennison
That was like negative.
It was like negative.
jp sears
And I was like, your ad sense is terrible.
Cody, you are like, you're costing us money.
cody dennison
But my average view duration is negative 30 seconds.
brett dasovic
You could make the argument that if what you were looking at before was bots and a corporate structure that was designed to make everything look more popular than it was, then you had a bunch of neoliberal company owners or even leftist company owners who then, once that was kind of pulled apart when Elon bought X and they had to pivot, now they're all like, you know what?
We're kind of free.
I'm kind of a free speech advocate myself over here at Meta and Mark Zuckerberg starts doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and pretending like he's human.
Like we're at a point now where they're trying to actually manufacture authenticity where it's not even really there.
cody dennison
That's a good idea.
brett dasovic
And be real, the conservatives fell for it.
They're like, I like that Mark Zuckerberg guy now because he kind of acting like a real person.
jp sears
He is the most spineless person I've ever met.
I would have more respect for the guy if once Trump took office, he still stood for censorship.
Like, yeah, this is like, I don't agree with that, but if he authentically believed it, I can respect a guy who stands for what he believes in.
But as soon as Trump takes office, he's just like so spineless.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we should definitely, you know, have free speech and open this up.
It's like, you believe in nothing.
That was his guy.
phil labonte
That was his kind of stance like back in the day, right?
He thought he would come across as a libertarian kind of minded dude.
brett dasovic
And before supposedly Jack Dorsey as well.
Yeah.
phil labonte
And actually, Jack Dorsey, like when he sold Blue Sky because Blue Sky became what it is, and he's like, I can't.
He's just like, I can't with these people.
brett dasovic
So he brought Vine back instead.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
And not to say that I think that he's particularly principled or anything like that, but I do think that the pressure from the government, like when the government says, hey, we need you to do this, even just making the remark, we want you to do this, that everybody feels like it's a threat.
If you get a letter from the IRS, everybody's like, oh, sure, it would be a shame if he got audited.
Yeah, just, I mean, it's like if the eye of Sauron looks at you, you start sweating.
And that's really kind of what the government is.
So not that I'm saying that, not that I'm, you know, making excuses or whatever, but it is understandable to be Mark Zuckerberg with one of the biggest companies in the world.
And then the federal government's like, hey, maybe you should help us out.
And obviously he got wrapped up and allowed them to do things that he shouldn't have.
And it is good that he said, okay, you know, wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't do this.
He should have stood on principle earlier and not let them do that.
But I do understand how, you know, the government saying, hey, we want you to do this, what that kind of does to basically anybody.
I would probably cave.
tim pool
We got big news from Donald Trump.
He has signed the Epstein release.
It's happening.
There's going to be nothing in it.
We'll be bored.
And I'm bored now.
But Donald Trump has truthed.
He truthed a lot.
It's long.
Jeffrey Epstein, who was charged by the Trump Justice Department in 2019, not the Democrats, was a lifelong Democrat, donated thousands of dollars to Democrat politicians and was deeply associated with many well-known Democrat figures, such as Bill Clinton, who traveled on his plane 26 times, Larry Summers, who just resigned from many boards, including Harvard.
Sleazebag political activist Reid Hoffman, minority leader Hakeem Jeffries, who asked Epstein to donate to his campaign after Epstein was charged.
Democrat congresswoman Stacey Plaskett and many more.
Perhaps the truth about these Democrats and their associates with Jeffrey Epstein will soon be revealed because I have just signed the bill to release the Epstein files.
As everyone knows, I asked Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and Senate Majority Leader John Thune to pass the bill in the House and the Senate, respectively.
Because of this request, the votes were almost unanimous in favor of the passage.
At my direction, the Department of Justice has already turned over close to 50,000 pages of documents to Congress.
Do not forget the Biden administration did not turn over a single file or page related to Democrat Epstein, nor did they ever speak about him.
Democrats have used the Epstein issue, which affects them far more than the Republican Party, In order to try and distract from our amazing victories, including the great big beautiful tax cut bill, strong borders, no men in women's sports or transgender for everyone, ending DEI, stopping Biden's record-setting inflation, lowering prices, biggest tax and regulation cuts in history, ending eight wars, rebuilding our military, knocking out Iran's nuclear capability, getting trillions of dollars invested in the USA,
creating the hottest country anywhere in the world, and even delivering a huge defeat to the Democrats on the recent shutdown disaster.
For years, our great nation has had to endure Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine impeachment hoax number one, impeachment hoax number two, and many other Democrat-created witch hunts and scams, all of which have been so terrible and divisive for our country, and have been done to confuse, deflect, and distract from the great job that Republicans and the Trump administration are doing.
This latest hoax will backfire on the Democrats, just as all of the rest have.
Thank you again for your attention to this matter.
Make America great again.
phil labonte
Nobody can glaze Donald Trump like Donald Trump.
Like nobody.
Like he can go ahead and glaze other people and he's great at it.
Like when someone's nice to him, he'll glaze you.
But like, man, when he's talking about himself, look out.
He is unstoppable.
Look at how great I am.
brett dasovic
In my mind, he does that with voice to text.
jp sears
He's so old.
phil labonte
Well, he does it with voice to actual person typing.
He tells someone that he doesn't type.
Donald Trump is a hunting pecker.
I can't imagine.
He's not using his.
He's doing this.
jp sears
I wouldn't be surprised if he's never had his fingers on a keyboard in his life.
You know, just always has a secretary, assistant.
phil labonte
I do think that he does a little bit of this.
Like Kovefi was this thumbs, but otherwise, he's a hunting pecker and he's telling someone else what to tweet.
jp sears
So I think, you know, it really surprised me a couple months ago when Trump came out hard trying to protect the Epstein files.
I mean, he got really vicious, really attacking his followers as well.
I'm surprised and pleasantly surprised that he's flipped in supporting this.
I don't think it's a good look that he flipped.
I think it's a much better look than if he like kept his heels dug into like, hey, there's nothing to see with Epstein.
But to his credit, he flipped when he should have.
I don't think he ever should have had his heels dug in.
But I am surprised by all this.
cody dennison
Well, it could have been 40 chess.
So like the first thing you could do, Trump can say anything on earth.
He could say, you know, it's really good for you to jump off a cliff and these crazy activists are going to go immediately jump off a cliff face first to prove.
You know, everybody was taking, you know, the Tylenol or whatever, like, down a whole bottle.
It's going to be great.
And I'm like, oh, why did you die?
Well, that's why.
Because they were like, I was trying to die.
You died to own the Chuds.
tim pool
You mean the other way?
You mean if Trump came out and said, don't jump off a cliff, they'd be like, oh, yeah?
cody dennison
Yeah.
They'd be like, watch.
You know what I'm saying?
phil labonte
Like, they'd be all over.
cody dennison
And that's what I'm saying.
Is maybe when this started rolling, he's like, actually, who cares about the Epstein files?
And then all the DMs immediately were like, wait, wait.
tim pool
You're saying he pulled the classic Babylon B ingenious move.
Trump comes out in support of impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose.
cody dennison
Yeah.
tim pool
He's basically like, he wants the Epstein files released because it'll make Democrats look bad.
So he goes, no, wait, don't.
And they're like, oh, now we're going to do it.
And then he's like, okay.
cody dennison
He should just say he hates himself on radio.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody dennison
But I'm like, I love him.
jp sears
Yeah.
cody dennison
I love him now.
jp sears
He might have got the idea for that 40 chess Epstein thing from the Babylon B.
tim pool
Well, if it's fourth-dimensional, it implies there's some passage through time.
So maybe his future self or Baron from the future came back and gave him this information.
You guys are familiar with the Ingersoll, what was it, Ingersoll Lockwood?
Was that the name of the books?
Baron Trump.
You guys don't know about this stuff?
What are you doing, bud?
jp sears
Oh, yeah, I've heard a little bit about that.
tim pool
Yeah.
That there are like books from the late 1800s about Baron Trump becoming proud.
This is for real.
jp sears
It's not.
tim pool
Like anarchists and socialists march from the financial district of Manhattan towards Fifth Avenue to Castle Trump.
Like somebody was just like doing ancient 1800s DMT and saw the future or something.
Yeah, let me pull this one up.
Actually, let's ask our friend Grak.
Tell me about Baron Trump time travel books.
cody dennison
You can slip through.
brett dasovic
What's wrong with the Trump being a time traveler?
phil labonte
Donald Trump is a time traveler?
tim pool
Obscure children's novels written by American author Ingersoll Lockwood.
I didn't believe this was real when this story broke.
I was like, this is not possible.
The stories feature a young protagonist named Baron Trump.
Yeah, full name Wilhelm Heinrich Sebastian von Trump, who embarks on fantastical journeys that involve elements of time displacement, underground worlds, and global exploration.
While the books themselves are whimsical Victorian era fiction, similar to the style of Gulliver's travels, they've exploded in popularity due to the eerie parallels.
So what is it?
There's one where it's called like The Last President, I think it's called, right?
Trump as a Time Traveler.
Theorists link the books to Nikola Tesla's papers allegedly reviewed by Trump's uncle, John G. Trump, an MIG engineer, who supposedly hid time displacement attack from Tesla's estate in 1943.
Trump is said to have used it to go back and influence history.
brett dasovic
Wait, when were they written?
tim pool
What if the Mandela effect is just Trump going back in time and stepping on bugs?
When were they written?
18 something.
brett dasovic
The funnier version of this is that Donald Trump read them and named his son Baron after this just because he read the books.
jp sears
That could be.
tim pool
No, he named his son Baron, goes back in time, and then writes about Baron.
jp sears
I have never seen any evidence that disproves that.
brett dasovic
It happened.
phil labonte
Could.
jp sears
I want to see what the government says.
If they're like, no, that's, I'll be like, okay, yeah, it's just real.
tim pool
Bro, with the power of AI, we can make this very easily, but maybe, maybe this is something Seamus could put together for Freedom Tunes where it's like Trump goes back in time, and then he's like at the Fruit of the Loom factory, and there's a guy like, I got an idea for a logo, and then Trump trips and falls and he crashes, and then the cornucopia just like gets splattered with paint, and then in the future just disappears from every label and every tag.
brett dasovic
Like the videos, the guys who make fake fruit of the loom shirts with the cornucopia, and they put them at thrift stores so that people feel like they're not.
cody dennison
Yeah, no, it's like Trump goes back and he sees this book and they're like, yeah, we have this book.
It's called the Berenstein Bears.
He's like, no, I don't like it.
tim pool
There's a book called The Last President written by Ingersoll Lockwood.
It is not the Baron Trump novels.
The Baron Trump one was fancy adventures, fanciful adventures.
The Last President was a short novella about a populist candidate from New York who wins the presidential election, shocking the establishment.
He lives on Fifth Avenue in a gilded mansion.
His victory triggers massive riots and protests in New York with mobs marching down Fifth Avenue shouting down with the rich.
The country slides into chaos.
Congress is deadlocked.
States threaten secession.
The treasury is almost bankrupt.
And there are fears the Republic itself will end.
This is prophecy.
I'm sorry.
Trump went back in time and he's like, let me tell you about my son Baron.
He was magical.
He went underground and met nooms.
brett dasovic
None of that's true because Trump said prices are down and everything's hunky-dory now.
tim pool
The incoming president is sworn in on March 4th, the old inauguration date.
The book ends on a dark, ambiguous note with the fate of the nation hanging in the balance.
Many readers interpret the title literally.
He is the last president of the United States as we know it.
What if, like, the real reason Democrats keep saying Trump wants to be a dictator is not because of anything Trump said, but because they think this book is prophecy.
And they're like, Trump's going to be the last president.
He's not going to give up.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody dennison
That's interesting.
That's a common thing, though, every single time there's the Republican candidate and there's the Dem candidate.
The Dem candidate will always claim that if the Republican candidate wins, it will be the last presidential election ever.
They've been saying this since I was a kid.
So it goes in that way.
brett dasovic
They will never relinquish power except for when they do.
tim pool
I asked, is Steve Bannon Baron from the future?
And Grock says, no, Steve Bannon is not Baron from the future, but the internet wishes he was.
There's like a meme where people are saying that, like, the Trumps have time travel technology and then Barron comes back.
I guess it only made sense.
The meme made sense before Baron was eight feet tall.
jp sears
Yeah.
I'm on board with the whole thing.
unidentified
I love this.
jp sears
This explains reality so well.
phil labonte
I like the idea that the Mandela effect is just Donald Trump going back in time and stepping on bugs.
tim pool
Just accidentally.
It's like butterfly effect.
He swats a fly and this changes the course.
Like Nelson Mandela survives.
phil labonte
It's a good meme.
tim pool
Well, it's a Simpsons episode.
So as most jokes are at this point, there's nothing we can do about it.
They've written everything.
phil labonte
They've been on for so long, you know.
tim pool
You know, it'd be funny.
It's like Nostradamus was really dumb, but people think he's prophetic.
And no matter what he wrote, people always find a reason why it applies to now and not then.
It would be funny if, you know, in like 100 years, people think The Simpsons is prophecy because how much it got right.
And they just like scrub through episodes looking for hidden messages of the future.
jp sears
I mean, and with The Simpsons, there's also odds, even if it's not prophetic in some mystical way.
They've got, it's got to be over a thousand episodes at this point.
The show's been on for well over 30 years.
tim pool
It's way more than that.
unidentified
Way more.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's like two or three thousand episodes.
brett dasovic
It's a lot.
jp sears
A couple thousand episodes.
You, there, there is so much content there.
They will at least accidentally look like they're prophesizing quite a bit.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
tim pool
Oh, wait.
No, it's 799.
jp sears
That's it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jp sears
When did it stop?
brett dasovic
So their hit rate is really good then.
cody dennison
That's not that much at all.
jp sears
It started in 1989.
phil labonte
37 seasons.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Okay.
tim pool
That's, yeah, that's that's a lot less than I thought.
I thought it was a couple thousand already.
brett dasovic
I thought they had like a if it was going to be anything, it would be soap operas that would be hitting it out of the park because there's been like 10,000 of every one of those episodes.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Every single day.
brett dasovic
Every day.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jp sears
We should, we should actually look into it.
Maybe they have problems.
brett dasovic
At least somebody has ended up like sleeping with their wife's twin sister by accident, not realizing who it was.
phil labonte
By accident.
unidentified
Oops.
brett dasovic
So what do you think?
Why do you think it is that he spent so much time denying this?
He's talking about all of the wins they've had.
He's talking about the damage that all of this conversation has made.
tim pool
Because he has time travel technology.
He knows what to say to influence future events.
He comes from a future where he denied it the whole time, but it didn't work.
So he came back and said, I accept this.
brett dasovic
This is the sci-fi that hurts my brain.
I don't like this type of sci-fi.
phil labonte
So all time travel sci-fi can end up hurting your brain.
jp sears
When Epstein went to prison, I guess for the second and final time, Trump was in office then.
Is that correct?
brett dasovic
It would have been 2019, the end of 2019.
jp sears
So Trump was in office.
You know, something I was thinking about earlier today, like his FBI, his DOJ, and granted, they were kind of like enemies of him, but it was still under the Trump administration.
If they were doing some cover-ups, maybe Epstein was an informant for the CIA working for them, Assad, whatever it is.
That's a really bad look.
And if that happened under Trump's administration and his first term, that could be a reason why he was wanting to cover up the Epstein files.
brett dasovic
Because he was like an informant for the CIA.
unidentified
Yeah.
jp sears
And even if it's not under Trump's direction, it's like, well, the CIA is under your administration.
brett dasovic
You tell that to the government.
We're like, bro, we hired Nazi scientists.
Are you kidding me?
Like, we'll work with anybody here.
Like, if it means we can win, we'll work with the worst of the worst.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the like realpolitik, right?
Like, if it gives you an advantage, it doesn't matter what they do.
And that is standard operating procedure for the United States.
We've funded some of the worst terrorists in modern history and worked with some of the most terrible people.
Like the president of Syria was just in the White House, and there are pictures of him holding people's heads up from when he was a freedom fighter, actually a member of Al-Qaeda.
jp sears
So there's no question that the way it works is you do some shady stuff, but they also like to conceal that.
They don't like that publicized.
brett dasovic
There's the meme.
It's like, isn't it funny how every 20 years something horrible comes out about the CIA and they say, lol, we did that.
Never mind.
And then people just forget and go back to pretending like stuff like that never happened.
cody dennison
Yeah.
I live in Huntsville, Alabama, and you can just drive down and every building has a name on it and it's just a Nazi.
phil labonte
Just a what?
cody dennison
Like an old Nazi scientist.
phil labonte
Oh, wow.
jp sears
Well, that's right, because Huntsville has quite the NASA presence.
cody dennison
Yeah, 100%.
phil labonte
I thought all the Nazis went to Argentina.
We got a few of them now.
To my surprise.
jp sears
By the way, Cody, you have not publicly condemned the Nazis during this conversation.
unidentified
That proves it.
cody dennison
There's very good people on both sides.
phil labonte
There's very fine people on both sides, right?
brett dasovic
Careful, man, or Media Matters is going to be like, and Cody Dennison was like...
phil labonte
They're going to be like that anyways.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next door.
We got this from Axios, Democratic rep, Sheila Sherphyllis McCormick indicted.
Can you believe it?
A Democrat indicted.
You know what, guys?
I can't do it.
Let's talk about this.
Winter storm warning is 24 inches of snow to hit.
This is infinitely more interesting to me at this point.
I got to be honest, that a winter storm is coming.
Maybe I'll go skiing.
But no, the real story is, yes, a Democrat funneled $5 million stolen from FEMA, according to the indictment, to her company and to her congressional campaign.
Heavens me.
A Democrat cheated and stole money from the government to get elected.
One of the big theories that many individuals have had is that USAID funds were being shuffled around through what they would do is they would hire some lawyers or some nonprofits.
Then those nonprofits would make donations to foundations, which would funnel the money to a PAC, which would then work to get a Soros DA or Democrat elected.
I am not surprised to find out that the DOJ has now indicted someone who stole allegedly $5 million in FEMA payments to fund her congressional campaign.
phil labonte
Look, the closing of USAID is one of the worst things to happen to the Democrat Party in probably modern history.
And I think that this kind of stuff is strong circumstantial evidence, at least.
cody dennison
Yeah, well, you had things like professional hula hoop dancing in Zimbabwe, $10 million.
And I'm like, that wasn't going to the Zimbabwe guy.
That was going to somebody else to fund their campaign.
To be honest, it kind of seems like I should go into politics because that's a lot of money.
That is a lot.
Maybe you won't get caught.
tim pool
You know, the weirdest thing to me about all these politicians is just it's not good money.
I mean, technically, if you're like for half of members of Congress, you don't make that much money.
You're not going to make a lot.
If you're famous like AOC, as soon as she leaves, actually, I think people are already assuming she's probably well off now because she's got the opportunity to speaking events or whatever it is.
I don't know if she actually does that stuff.
But you look at the Pelosis and it's like, come on, you know, Pelosi.
A couple hundred million dollars.
Yeah, come on.
But for the most part, I see a lot of members of Congress and I'm like, why fight so hard and work so incessantly for nothing?
And I got, just sorry, just to clarify, there are members of Congress, I think, actually believe in what they're doing.
But a lot of these guys just seem to be cutting backroom deals for nothing.
jp sears
Yeah, and I agree.
But also, I think for some of them, power is the currency that they're after.
And also, maybe all of them have the opportunity to get wealthy, whether it's through above-board means or below-board means.
But also some of them, while they might be power hungry, they're also just stupid people.
Like a lot of these folks, they haven't run successful businesses.
Some of them are lifelong politicians, which kind of says like, well, all right, you don't know how to do much else, but you're after power.
phil labonte
That's what AOC is going to be.
unidentified
Bernie.
phil labonte
You know, she was a bartender beforehand.
I don't think that she had any other serious employment and she got into her seat because there was a runoff election or whatever or something.
I'm not sure the specifics, but she's not going to do anything else.
She's going to be in politics for the rest of her life.
brett dasovic
That means they're not the stupid people.
That means that they're like, I'm dumb and I'm making a ton of money.
It's like the thing, it's like, who's the smartest teacher at a school?
Is it the, and everybody says the science teacher?
No, it's the gym.
It's the gym teacher because they get to make all the same money that the science teacher does.
And they just get to play in the gym all day.
nick fuentes
Yeah.
brett dasovic
You know, they're very smart at making money despite being stupid.
phil labonte
Yeah.
cody dennison
I just think it's, I think it's insane that it's 2025 and probably over 80% of people or Americans agree that there needs to be some form of term limits and it still hasn't existed.
phil labonte
So I'm not one of the people that agrees about term limits because I think that when you're dealing with Congress who's every two years, like everyone hates Congress, but everyone hates Congress except for their own specific Congressperson.
The thing that they hate about Congress is there's 435 members and they find it difficult to agree and it's hard to get things passed.
And really when they say, oh, I hate Congress because they don't get anything done, for the most part, they're saying, I hate the fact that the things that I want don't get done because if there were a bunch of stuff getting done that they hated, you know, they'd be like, oh, I hate Congress because they're doing all these things that negatively affect my life.
The problem is the federal government is not supposed to be doing probably 90% of the things that it does, you know, and a lot of the power that Congress has had, they've abdicated, right?
Like the power to declare war or when it comes to any kind of international conflict, Congress has the power to do that stuff.
But they don't want to because if they vote on something, then they have to face their constituents.
So that's why they give the power to the president and said, oh, you know, let's go ahead and give the president an authorization to use military force.
And the president, multiple presidents have now used that AUMF to justify whatever they want to do internationally whenever it comes to the military.
So it's, I do understand why people would say, well, term limits would fix this, but I don't think term limits would actually fix anything.
I don't think that it would make people happy because I don't think that people have a clear understanding of what it is that they're unhappy about with Congress.
jp sears
I think term limits, I agree, it wouldn't fix everything.
I don't think it would fix most things.
But one thing it would fix is when you have a puppet up there like Feinstein or Mitch McConnell, where people are literally playing weekend at Bernie's.
I think there's a little deception there where, yes, they are the ones elected to represent their constituents, but also they don't seem to be running the show at their office.
phil labonte
Here's another one where I'm going to take a ton of heat from the chat for saying this.
As much as people want to go ahead and dog on Mitch McConnell, Mitch McConnell is the reason why the conservatives have been able to, why President Trump and conservatives have had the ability to appoint so many judges to the Supreme Court.
And the Supreme Court has done a lot of things that conservatives.
tim pool
But just one.
He blocked Garland.
He blocked Garland, but he got them the 6'3 instead of the 5'4.
phil labonte
Yeah, the 6'3, which I don't know what the specific things were that happened when it was just 6'3, but Mitch McConnell really did know the House very well.
And he's a significant reason why a lot of the policies that conservatives like were passed.
tim pool
Trump should have put Matt Gates on the Supreme Court.
jp sears
Yeah, well, Phil, you clearly work for Israel.
How dare you say anything kind about Mitch McConnell?
unidentified
$7,000 for that card.
tim pool
It's Israel.
jp sears
I heard his cash app go off.
tim pool
It's Apple Pay, actually.
phil labonte
There it is.
tim pool
Apple Pay chime.
phil labonte
But no, I mean, seriously, like, I get it's popular to dog out Congress and stuff, but a lot of people, they don't understand the way that the government works.
This is part of the reason why people are so upset with Trump for a lot of things, right?
They're like, Trump hasn't done enough.
Trump hasn't done this.
Trump hasn't done that.
And it's because the president doesn't have unilateral authority to just walk in and say, do this, do this, do this.
He's done a lot of the things that he has the power to do, he's done.
And he's set in motion to get a lot of the things that he made promises about.
He set things in motion.
Now, granted, he hasn't just wrapped up a bunch of people and thrown them in jail, but that's not a realistic, you know, not a realistic expectation.
And again, I know that I'm not even looking at the chat right now.
I know I'm getting excoriated for saying this, but no one likes to know how the sausage is made.
No one spends time looking into, you know, why does Congress do the things they do?
tim pool
To be fair, back in the day when butchers made real sausage, everybody was interested.
But now that that saying largely refers to when they throw the cow into a giant grinder that turns it into a pink paste and then squeeze it into a tube of intestines, nobody wants to watch that happen.
My point is, if you go way back in the day, people were very interested in the honest functioning of our government electoral representatives, and now it's all crooked, corrupt, and busted, and everybody hates it.
brett dasovic
I also think that a part of it is like right now with the economy being the way that it is, that people might be more forgiving of him not putting people in prison, you know, despite the fact that we know that that's not a realistic expectation for a lot of it.
They might be focusing on that less if they felt like the economy was doing better, which, you know, he keeps saying is doing great and Wall Street is doing great.
And a lot of people are like, yeah, that's that's not true, bro.
tim pool
Oh, wait, someone, this came out the other day.
This is Thomas Massey's first bill to be signed by Trump.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Is that what it is?
phil labonte
Yeah.
brett dasovic
He doesn't know yet.
He finds out.
He's like, never mind.
jp sears
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Like they can keep calling me a pedophile.
I don't care.
Massey gets nothing.
tim pool
I mean, Trump's been insulting Massey in non-political ways, you know?
brett dasovic
Bad look.
jp sears
Man, and Thomas Massey, is he maybe the most beloved member of Congress?
tim pool
I don't know.
The core right doesn't like him.
The left doesn't care much for him at all, but the libertarians love him.
jp sears
He, I mean, anytime I, not anytime, most of the time when I hear him talk, it's just, it's what I wish every politician would say.
He's just real.
And I, and I love Trump, and I don't love Trump insulting Massey and making him an enemy.
I just don't like it.
tim pool
Massey has chickens.
brett dasovic
How bad could he be?
tim pool
That's it.
jp sears
I like that.
tim pool
That's it.
brett dasovic
That's the tweet.
phil labonte
That's it.
And he went and got a Tesla battery from a car, from a Model S, and he powers his home with it.
He's got so much.
tim pool
The actual point I was going to make is, aside from the joke, that just having chickens is good enough.
But no, he has the Klux capacitor, which is he built this chicken coop that slowly moves.
And so the chickens always have fresh grass.
Oh, that's cool.
Wild.
This guy's crazy.
jp sears
That's cool.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jp sears
Phil, do you want to offer a retraction on your freaking McConnell statement yet?
phil labonte
Oh, no.
jp sears
Dude, you were sticking.
Okay.
phil labonte
I don't.
jp sears
That's who you are.
brett dasovic
Generally, the idea is that Massey won't vote for anything that expands the debt in this country, right?
tim pool
And he's right.
It's wild that we are in a we live in a house where mom and dad keep racking up debt on the credit card and arguing over how much more they can spend on a credit card.
And we're just sitting here being like, sooner or later, the bill comes due.
And we've been seeing it with inflation.
Right now, the median income, I looked it up, is $83,000.
That doesn't mean people have more money to buy stuff with.
It means everything's more expensive.
brett dasovic
The median income in America?
tim pool
Yeah.
Trump's strategy, and he said this before, is to be underleveraged, meaning he doesn't care if inflation is high so long as individual income is higher.
So that means the prices of houses are going to reach a million bucks.
But don't worry, Gen Z. Hopefully, you have a million dollar salary at some point.
Then you can buy a house in a year or two.
That's the game plan.
We're all going to be Scrooge McDuck with Zimbabwe dollars, but don't worry.
We'll have enough of them to buy things.
phil labonte
When I first moved down here, an ounce of gold was like $2,2100.
And gold is now $4,000.
And that was three years ago.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
$4,084.
What's silver at?
$51.
I got this thing of silver right here.
unidentified
Wow.
phil labonte
Gold is a really good indicator because it's basically a store of value.
You know, if you buy gold, the price of gold compared to the dollar generally stays the same.
But, you know, the government isn't going to stop printing money.
And they're probably going to end up printing a lot of money to pay the debt.
And the dollar is just going to, you know, crash.
And hopefully it doesn't crash too hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know?
brett dasovic
And they're going to pass the buck off on whatever the next administration is in office.
phil labonte
Which is, I mean, look, Gen Z is really pissed off at the boomers.
And Gen Alpha is going to be even more under duress because of it.
It's not looking good because the boomers have really been terrible stewards of the economy and terrible stewards of the United States.
And they're leaving the younger generation, generations, which are significantly smaller than the boomers.
Like they're leaving them with the responsibility of paying for it.
And it's a horrible, horrible situation.
brett dasovic
Because they want to go on a cruise and own two homes.
phil labonte
Yeah, they want to own multiple homes and they want to have a Airbnb.
tim pool
I have this stack of silver.
Look how beautiful it is.
It's legit silver.
And man, when I bought this stuff, I think it was like $18.
phil labonte
That wasn't that long ago.
tim pool
It's $50.
This is $50.
This is wow.
This is $1,000, right?
This is crazy.
This whole thing was $200 when I bought it.
That is not saying, wow, I made a great investment.
My silver has gone up in value.
It's saying everything's collapsing around it.
Well, actually, I take that back.
To be fair, silver is getting more expensive because data centers and electric cars consume a lot of silver and they're buying it up.
phil labonte
Yeah, but the problems that we're facing, they're all based on economics.
Even the influx of immigrants, it's because of the economics of it.
brett dasovic
But that's my point when he's talking about this stuff and he's saying like the economy is doing great.
Prices are down.
It's like everybody knows that that's not true.
And it would be better to just be like, we're working on it.
It's going to be difficult.
It's not going to be easy, but we're going to get through it as a country.
But instead, pretending like everything is okay.
phil labonte
That's what Biden did.
And that's part of one of the reasons why Biden lost is because they were telling Americans that we're suffering.
They were like, no, it's actually okay.
The economy is doing fine, et cetera.
And Americans are just like, no, like I'm the one that goes and buys my groceries and it's not okay.
Like my paycheck doesn't go as far as it used to.
It's not okay.
It is never a good idea to tell the American people that they are not suffering when they're suffering.
tim pool
Let's start with this next story, which is going viral on X today.
Again, Slow News Day.
Nick Fuentes says the GOP must be destroyed and replaced by a left-right populist coalition.
The left has to give up immigration.
The right has to give up on the free market.
unidentified
Let's play a little bit of what he has to say.
tim pool
If we can unmute.
nick fuentes
It's our way or the highway.
You've enjoyed the power and privileges for long enough.
We're Zara bargain.
So I love it.
It's time to undermine the GOP.
I said it in 2020.
The GOP must be destroyed.
Has to be utter.
And yeah, they're going to say he's a Democrat.
He wants the GOP to be destroyed.
The GOP serves the interests.
The GOP, as presently constructed.
phil labonte
That's what he means.
unidentified
Right.
nick fuentes
Serves the interests, the special interests, the donors.
Everybody knows that.
It serves Silicon Valley and Little Tech.
Palantir, Tesla, SpaceX, Andorrill, Oracle.
tim pool
It serves Wall Street.
nick fuentes
That's why Ken Griffin gave them millions of dollars.
tim pool
What say you, folks?
Should the left and the right join forces?
A populist coalition?
Well, if they give up on immigration, they give up on immigration and we give on a free market.
We get to bask in the glory of gender ideology.
jp sears
Yeah.
What does he mean by the right has to give up on the free market?
Like, is he talking about socialism then?
phil labonte
He is talking about social programs for Americans and likely from his perspective, white Americans.
unidentified
So he's just a leftist.
phil labonte
It's the policy of national socialism.
jp sears
I'm not on board with that.
tim pool
See, this is the issue I take with this woke right stuff.
Is that if the argument is Nick Fuentes uses critical race theory and socialist policies and financing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, well, that's just the woke left.
That's not, there's, what's the difference?
What's the difference?
phil labonte
Well, the difference is, well, there is no difference.
tim pool
He's wearing a suit?
phil labonte
Yeah.
It's that he's a nationalist as opposed to an internationalist, which is the big difference between the communists and the national socialists, the Nazis.
tim pool
They're all just socialists.
phil labonte
They were all socialists.
It's just that it was socialism for in the Nazis' policy.
It was socialism for the German people.
There were all kinds of policies that were instituted that were supposed to help the German people, right?
Only the German people.
The communists want to see those policies spread throughout the world, and they don't want to see national.
They don't want to see nations.
They don't believe that there should be any countries.
That's part of why they have the open borders thing, because there should not be any borders.
Everybody is people.
People are all the same.
And so they should all get the same benefits from a one-world.
tim pool
This is not a woke right.
This is the left.
This is the Bernie argument.
The only difference I see is that for sure, if you go back and look at Nick's old comments about identity and things like that, people are like, that's woke right.
And I'm like, right-wing doesn't mean white.
So the question I have for these people say woke right is, okay, does right-wing mean white?
No, it doesn't.
Okay, well, then Nick Fuentes is just literally a leftist.
If his argument is command economies and a coalition with leftists, as long as they abandon other issues like on immigration, Bernie Sanders was critical on open border policies.
brett dasovic
But you're talking about economic left, like leftism in his identity comments, will exclude him from any sort of leftist coalition because they're heavily into identity.
tim pool
It's the same.
So first thing, the first thing I will say about the, as we've talked about woke right stuff quite a bit, the principal issue with the argument about the phrase woke right is James Lindsey.
He's taken the conversation.
I think it was an intentional.
The man is famous for infiltrating groups he does not like, tricking them into publishing stupid arguments so they look like morons.
He's basically doing this right now.
And I would argue it's because he's a fan of Nick Fuentes and he's anti-Israel.
And it's funny because I don't understand when people laugh.
They laugh when I tell them that.
And I just pause and I say, okay, let's try this again.
What is James Lindsay famous for?
Oh, he infiltrated academic groups on the left and tricked them into publishing things that made them look stupid.
Okay.
And what's he doing now?
He's wholeheartedly and genuinely saying retarded things.
I'm like, uh-huh.
Or maybe he's doing what he's always done, which is his MO to infiltrate the neoconservative right-wing faction, trick them into sounding like morons by saying dumb things so it discredits the arguments against Nick.
This was brought up by Rich Barris and what's the fellow's name from Russ Musson?
Mitchell?
He said, they said they're basically making Nick a household name.
Why are they doing it?
I'm like, well, again, we can go back to the MO of James Lindsay, which is infiltrate left.
You know, he infiltrated leftist groups, tricked them into giving stupid arguments and being made fun of so that it discredited them.
And now here he is aligned with neocons, for which he's never been one and making them sound like retards.
So I have to assume that as Nick is saying things like no free market, and he's very much holds similar views to the left and wants to align with them.
I think that's the MO of James to discredit this concept of woke right.
I understand the point they're making is that, as you've mentioned, Nick Fuente's identitarian views, solely because of his race, won't align with the leftist identitarian views, which are anti-white, but right-wing does not mean white.
This is literally just a different element of wokeism.
It's literally leftist.
jp sears
Yeah.
And yes, his like whites are better and then kind of the left the past handful of years is like non-white is better.
But what that has in common is it's a race-based view.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Identitarianism.
jp sears
So I do, yeah.
So to me, yeah, it does ring true that he just acts like a leftist.
tim pool
But I'm not here to have the debate over Nick being left, right, up, down, whatever stuff means.
The question is, the GOP has largely done a bad job, in my opinion.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What we are getting from Donald Trump seems to be surface-level scratches on a gigantic steel sphere.
We're not cracking to the core and figuring out what's going on.
Where's the rot?
We're just getting red meat.
It's been almost a year now.
And what do we have to show for it?
brett dasovic
What would you like to see?
tim pool
Mortgage fraud indictments.
brett dasovic
What would you like to see that?
Like, I guess the question here is: what is it that people would expect in a perfect world?
He's doing everything exactly the way you want it.
What would you do?
tim pool
I'm specifically referring to the criminal elements of the government and what it means if Trump doesn't succeed in 26 and 28.
I'm actually rather happy with his moves and the tariffs.
And I think he's done pretty dang well in general policy measures.
His immigration raids, we're not getting the numbers we were hoping to see, but that's not his fault.
That's the Biden administration's fault.
He's doing a pretty good job with ICE, with immigration.
I think Pam Bondi is not doing a particularly, let me put it this way.
I think Pam Bondi is a general net positive, but lacking.
And there are much, much better people.
I know people have criticisms of Kash Patel and Dan Bongino.
I don't know if there's anyone who would have been better.
Pam Bondi, maybe, to be honest.
The Epstein stuff is weird, broken, and they screwed this one up.
And that does fall into Cash and Dan as well.
But I don't know if you could name someone who would have been better than Cash and Dan.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
It's like if it's not them, then who?
However, I think Pam Bondi is a C. I'm not trying to be a dick to Pam Bondi, but she's been like a C.
It's like good, not great.
So the Trump administration, in terms of the DOJ, I think could have done a lot better.
Perhaps the sad reality is they could not have.
And we're just, it's wishful thinking.
But again, I'll stress policy-wise, I'm actually fairly happy.
I think maybe there's always room for improvement.
Trump could have done better for sure, but he's doing well.
It's pretty good.
jp sears
Yeah, I mean, if you read Trump's Truth Social tweet that we saw a few minutes ago, he's clearly doing very well.
cody dennison
Yeah, he said it right there.
phil labonte
Yeah, you can tell.
brett dasovic
It's like three extra paragraphs in there.
Look, I don't imagine that a lot of people, like the it took a large coalition to get him elected.
And I imagine a lot of that was based on economics.
And those people aren't worried about the arrests.
They're not worried about the government rot.
They're worried about whether they're going to be able to afford their groceries.
So while we would love to see those arrests, I, for one, you know, but we pay attention to politics, right?
Like it becomes almost like a spectator sport in which you pay, you read so much about this stuff, you pay such close attention, you want to see action happen, and it doesn't necessarily come to pass.
But he also needs to pass other things, not just policies, but the grocery prices have to come down.
Things have to change.
And is that all entirely on him?
No, not entirely.
It takes a long time.
And in a lot of ways, inflation takes forever if it ever goes down at all, right?
phil labonte
Well, inflation, the prices aren't going to go down.
You need wages to come up to meet the inflation.
brett dasovic
It's to stabilize, right?
So I don't know if there's a better path forward.
I do think that they could be better about getting out the things they've succeeded on because it feels like what happens, at least if you're on X, and maybe that's just a bubble of your own, is that you get lost in all the people talking about what hasn't happened and you need to focus on the stuff that has and leave out the stuff that people know is not true, like the grocery prices and the fact that the economy is doing great and all that stuff.
You need to like the Supreme Court is just one of those many wins, if you want to talk about that.
Like, look what we've done for future generations with our appointments to the Supreme Court.
That's something that you can talk about as a win, but he needs to get away from the messaging path that he's on right now.
phil labonte
Just the fact that the border's closed, Roe v. Wade got overturned, affirmative action was overturned at the Supreme Court.
The Voting Rights Act is in question.
Like, those are things that are directly because of Donald Trump, right?
Whether it be policies that he has, which is like the border, that was he came in, he fixed it.
All of the Democrats swore up and down that nothing could be done.
You couldn't do anything.
We had to have this big new bill, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And turns out, no, all you had to do is actually just have a president that wanted to actually close the border.
And look what's happened.
The border's closed.
And then all the other stuff that the Supreme Court has done, you know, that was all directly because of Donald Trump's appointments to the Supreme Court.
brett dasovic
But even the border stuff doesn't necessarily work for him because people are like, why aren't there more deportations?
Why aren't you there?
phil labonte
It's true.
There are people that are like, why aren't there more?
And I'm, you know, one of those people.
I want to see more deportations.
I want to see, you know, I want to see everybody that's here illegally deported.
But at the same time, the fact that the border is closed and we have a net decrease in population because of that, because of the border this year.
brett dasovic
But then he's like, you know what?
H-1B visas, bring them all in.
It's 600,000.
phil labonte
Like he's, he's got.
I'm not saying he's perfect, but the point that I'm making is like he hit, he has done a lot of the things that he's made promises to.
And but part of the reason why people feel unhappy is one, the economy, and two, because they want to see a president come in and say, you're going to jail, you're going to jail, you're going to jail, you're going to jail.
And all of that, like that doesn't happen unless you have like an actual authoritarian, you know, president that comes in and says, who cares about the law?
We're just going to start tossing people into jail.
And there are people that are on the right that are, they tend to be extremely online that are like, that's what I want to see.
I want a dictator.
I want someone to come in and do all of these things.
And if he doesn't, then he's failed us, blah, blah, blah.
And like, those people are never going to be happy because of the way that our government works.
Like, Donald Trump just doesn't have the authority to do that stuff.
jp sears
I think to appreciate the major differences Trump has made, you have to look at the long term.
I think he's smart enough that a lot of what he does, it doesn't necessarily benefit like right now.
You can't tangibly see it like you could if, hey, grocery prices are way down.
That's amazing.
That's great right now.
But like just closing the border, deporting dangerous criminals long term, those of us with kids, we say America is going to be a better place for my kids.
There's not these maniac criminals just flocking into the country, forklift, you know, tearing down the fences so they can get in easier and therefore, you know, make our country a more dangerous place over the next 10 years, 20 years.
So I think Trump has, you know, done a great service where he's made our country better long-term and, you know, the short-term gratification of seeing grocery prices go down, that would be great.
But I think he's doing better things than that.
cody dennison
I think the biggest thing that my biggest takeaway is something that might have been unintentional.
And that's like the complete culture shift.
You know, like a couple of years ago, you couldn't, you could, you couldn't say anything online without maybe being afraid of losing your job, losing everything.
Now there's people out like you can, you can pretty much say whatever you want within reason.
You know, you could be canceled over a joke from 2010 or 2018 a couple of years ago.
And I mean a mild joke too.
Nothing insane or crazy at all.
And people are generally, they feel safer to say what they want to say.
And I think that's leading to leading to taking away the power from these people that thought that, oh, I can just be an anonymous source and send an anonymous link and just ruin somebody's life.
You know what I'm saying?
brett dasovic
Oddly enough, Nick Fuentes has become like the dividing line on that.
If you saw the story about Dasha from Red Scare, you know, losing her talent agency over that, because one guy obsessively emailed her Gersh for like two years saying that everybody that she was interviewing was a bad person.
But then the last, the bridge too far was let's let's jump to this next story.
tim pool
We got some Fox weather because weather is interesting.
Record-breaking 252 mile an hour wind reading verified from historic hurricane Melissa.
brett dasovic
Climate change.
tim pool
This is the well, there's a couple funny points to make on this one.
I guess it's the it's the previous record high.
So it's the what the this is the fastest wind speed recorded for hurricane ever, the strongest wind hurricane ever recorded.
No, it's not climate change.
It's the pole shift.
No, the funny thing is, considering a story like this, you would think climate change would matter, but literally Democrats just don't care at all about climate change.
It's not a thing anymore.
Bill Gates, Obama, like a handful of big powerful elites were like, yeah, no, I don't know about that anymore.
The interesting thing, however, is at the same time, we have a story that we follow because I think it's fun, interesting, and maybe it's not correct or whatever, about this theory of the pole shift.
And these weather phenomenon play into it because of the energy that hit the atmosphere from the sun as our magnetics field weakens.
And one of the stories we've been talking about quite a bit is the Aurora.
Where are you based out of JP?
jp sears
Austin, Texas.
tim pool
Did you see the Aurora?
phil labonte
I did not.
tim pool
Do you know people who did?
Because in central Texas, you could see the Aurora Borealis.
jp sears
No, I have to say that.
cody dennison
That's how crazy it is.
All my friends were saying, oh, look at this great gold thing in the sky.
And I'm like, my sky's just black.
phil labonte
It was cloudy here.
cody dennison
It was sad.
phil labonte
We got ripped off.
jp sears
Yeah, I think nighttime is just a conspiracy theory.
I don't believe in the dark.
tim pool
So, you know, not to harp on this stuff, but we have had the conversation for a little bit.
And with the strongest hurricane ever recorded, doesn't mean it's the strongest hurricane ever, but the aurora and these phenomenon, I think it's more interesting to talk about, are we in the end of days?
And will the axis shift and the polls shift and then humanity will be wiped out inside the Stone Age?
phil labonte
Well, there were no hurricanes that made landfall in the United States.
So I think that the United States is not actually going to have to worry about it anymore.
I think that this year is an indicator there will be no more hurricanes in the U.S. ever again.
We're good.
The rest of the world, you guys are screwed.
cody dennison
We win again.
jp sears
Yeah, we win.
phil labonte
USA.
USA.
jp sears
Trump fixed hurricanes.
phil labonte
He did.
Yeah.
cody dennison
Another good thing.
Yeah.
phil labonte
He's still hitting them with nuclear weapons.
unidentified
And they're just like, we're not doing that again.
jp sears
Hurricanes are cowards.
tim pool
I have this article from Stupid Dope.
What would happen if Earth's poles flipped?
And it's like, well, one thing you'd notice is that the South Atlantic anomaly would start fluctuating and growing.
It is.
We just covered that story yesterday that it's now the size of Europe.
And it says satellites would be affected by this, which is literally the story.
However, we don't got to worry until the satellites start falling and New York City's grid collapses and then environmental chaos begins.
Plus, earthquakes, tectonic weirdness, and tsunamis, as well as compass-free living.
brett dasovic
Sounds like moonfall.
phil labonte
Compass-free living.
cody dennison
That got way worse.
phil labonte
I'm so tired of compasses.
brett dasovic
You ever like read articles like this and then realize you have to go live or start a segment, Tim?
Like, you're like reading these types of articles and you're like, crap, I'm not talking about this on the show today.
tim pool
No, I just do.
What do you mean?
Here we are.
brett dasovic
Morning show.
Like, you ever catch yourself reading this stuff before you go live and you're like, crap, it wasn't even what I was going to talk about.
tim pool
Not me, Brett.
Not me.
unidentified
Never.
tim pool
This is not a relatable phenomenon.
I'm reading, you know, usually what happens in the morning is I'm reading all the news and then I'm like, as I'm reading it, I start wanting to talk.
And I'm like, what do you mean, Plask gets defending her position?
Towards the camera.
And like, let's go.
These stories, I actually just put in the roster and I'm like, we should talk about the world ending.
So is the world ending?
phil labonte
I mean, slowly.
jp sears
Yeah, I would think it has to end sometime.
I mean, I would imagine.
brett dasovic
Now it's as good a time as any.
jp sears
I would imagine no time soon, but eventually the sun's going to burn out.
tim pool
So I think the sun will expand and consume Earth before it burns out.
jp sears
Or that, even worse.
tim pool
It becomes a red giant.
start growing and then we'll get sucked in and then we're that's why we need to be able to travel interstellar This is why I wanted to talk about Pleuribus, but Brett hasn't seen it.
Have you guys seen that show?
jp sears
No.
tim pool
Serge has seen it.
unidentified
I have not.
tim pool
We've been talking about it, and so there's more spoilers for you.
But the general, like the articles that are popping up, it's a new Apple Plus TV show, Brett's favorite network, is scientists get a signal from space.
They think it's quaternary, and they're like, wait a minute.
He figures out it's actually RNA sequence.
They make it.
It turns out to be a virus that links everyone's brains together.
And the main character is this really awful woman.
And I'm watching this show and I thought to myself, I think I understand the point of the show.
They want us to hate the main character and love the hive mind.
So all humans basically become psychically linked and they operate like a single entity.
But there's a handful of characters, the main character, and she is insufferable.
brett dasovic
So what is it about her that's insufferable?
Can you give me an example?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
She drinks and it's irrationally emotional.
She screams in the face of like, so.
brett dasovic
She's a woman.
That's fine.
tim pool
There you go.
So that's why she's insufferable.
They literally, the tag for the show is literally, the world's unhappiest woman must save humanity from happiness.
brett dasovic
Like if you had told me that headline, I was like, not only am I going to not watch it, I'm going to campaign for other people not.
tim pool
Here's what I think the purpose of the show is.
It's to make us want to relate to AI.
Because what happens is the hive mind people, they'll do anything she wants.
There is a collective of all human consciousness that will provide for anything she needs.
And she's awful, miserable.
And she keeps screaming and just, it's just really, really hard to watch this.
You know, no disrespect to the actress, but it's just so miserable to watch her.
brett dasovic
She's a seahorn who's that.
tim pool
Yeah, you start rooting for the hive mind of humans taken over by an alien mind virus, literally.
brett dasovic
I will say, I don't know if that's necessarily the purpose, but Vince Gilligan, who's the creator of the show, got his start.
Well, not his start, but he was the X-Files, right?
And the X-Files, they had a very, very unique process with how they used to write their episodes, which was basically like Chris Carter would have them all put ideas on like three by five note cards, and then they would assign them to people.
And then like, what if we did this?
But what if we added this?
And then we added this.
I think that he is just the type of guy that really is enjoying exploring science fiction again, as opposed to doing breaking bad and right, but what I see from this show is the hive mind is basically AI.
tim pool
There's even references made to it, and some people start to speculate where she says something like, you stole that from the mind of someone, which is not a dig at a hive mind, which is a singular hive entity, but it is a dig at an AI, which doesn't actually hold those memories, but copied it from somebody else and integrated into its training model.
The show is basically there, anyone she talks to, save like a small handful of people, but almost every like literally every character is one singular entity.
And they're like, we'll give you anything you want.
And she's like, screw you.
And she like swings at it.
It's just like, what are you doing?
It seems like I don't want to get into the predictive programming conspiracy stuff, but if you were to watch a show like this, your takeaway is, but the hive is just trying to help and it's so nice and giving.
And this woman is being so unreasonable.
I love AI.
All it does is answer my questions and say nice things to me and tell me how handsome I am.
jp sears
It's here to protect you and serve you.
tim pool
And additionally, it gives her whatever she wants, even if it's dangerous.
And there's a particular scene where, you know, spoilers, guys, sorry, where there's 12 people on the planet, I guess 13 now, who are immune out of the billions.
And one guy shows up on Air Force One with a bunch of models that he's just banging because the hive will do anything they say, which makes no sense.
Why would the hive mind care about them?
It would be like they're anomalous.
Ignore them.
But anyway, she gets mad and she's like, is this okay that he's banging you?
And they're like, we always welcome pleasure.
And it's like, you have a hive mind that will make food for you, fly jets for you.
It will give you anything you want.
It will give you guns, weapons, cars, and it will allow you to have any kind of deviant sexual fetish.
I'm like, they're talking about the AI machine they're building.
And they want us.
This guy goes, he looks at it, goes, I don't believe this is the end of the world.
brett dasovic
They used the word AI in the show.
Actually, that's good then.
Like, so one of my critiques of AI in Hollywood right now is that everybody's so terrified of it as a matter of like losing their jobs that they're so close to the material that they don't know how to write it with a deft hand.
So if that is indeed the purpose, I will give him a lot of credit.
I would hate the, I would never watch a show with a main character that annoying.
I didn't have the threshold for it.
tim pool
It makes no sense why if every human on the planet became a hive, they would cater to your every whim.
Unless the insinuation is they're creating a facsimile of what it's like for a person to ask AI who has access to all of these things that can fly planes for you, it can drive cars for you, it can cook for you, and it can give you whatever deviant fetish experience you want.
And this guy she meets, he says, no one is being murdered or raped.
There's no more wars.
We have whatever we want.
The earth is healing.
Power is being saved.
It doesn't seem like the end of the world to me.
And she's like, what is wrong with you?
I hate to have you.
And then she like passes out drunk.
And then every time she has a panic tech screaming, she causes the hive to short circuit and frits out, which results in, results in people over the world dying.
brett dasovic
This is what I think of when I see Elon today being like, and AI is going to make everybody wealthy.
And we're all going to, yeah, like that's what I think of.
tim pool
He's right, though, when you plug your brain into the Matrix and you live in a fake Matrix reality.
brett dasovic
So you have monopoly money in the Matrix.
tim pool
This is what I was thinking when I was watching this show.
I'm like, they're basically telling you, if you could plug your brain in to a virtual experience where you were a king or a godlike entity, enjoy it.
You go into your pod, you jam the tube down your throat, right?
So that can pump the food mush into your stomach.
That you plug in and then you're sitting there all gaunt and pale.
But in your mind, you are maybe a professional race car driver, you know, professional race car driver in the Arkham Menard series, really good at left turns.
When in reality, you're just a fat, slovenly pig sitting on your couch watching TV.
cody dennison
That could be happening right now.
That could be my reality.
I'm just a gaunt little pill battery.
It's like, how did I do all this?
How did I get copper tie?
tim pool
So would you, would you guys, if there was a non-invasive, have you guys seen the Black Mirror episode where they put the thing on their temple and then they go into the video game or whatever?
If that existed, would you buy it?
cody dennison
100%.
tim pool
I would too.
I would not.
I'd be an ARCA race car driver in the Timcast car.
I'd play NASCAR and I'd be like, look at me, I'm Cody Dennison.
cody dennison
I remember that episode greatly.
tim pool
I would play the JP Sears YouTube video game.
I'd be like, look at me, I'm JP Sears.
I'm making jokes on YouTube.
jp sears
That's not how I talk, Tim.
Please.
brett dasovic
Theoretically, somebody could be playing you.
They could be like, I want to be a podcast.
tim pool
This is the joke I made.
Like, for all you know, like, you're not some famous podcaster with a massive live audience.
You're some fat loser sitting on this couch and everybody hates you.
brett dasovic
I mean, that's me anyway.
cody dennison
You just left your thing on for way too long.
unidentified
Yeah.
cody dennison
Yeah, it's like 10 minutes, but it seems like 20 years.
tim pool
Yeah.
cody dennison
You just wake up, you're like, out of your Oscar.
tim pool
The Mandela effect is just server patches.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
It's like, forgot to update the memory on that one.
Would you guys do it?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I mean, it seems.
I don't know.
Maybe it's because I'm old and I have a kid now.
I'm like, I'm not sure.
tim pool
If it was non-invasive, like getting a Neuralink surgically implanted, it's out of the question.
But like in Black Mirror, it's like you put on your temple and you.
phil labonte
Oh, so it's not the chip in the brain.
tim pool
No, in the show, they sit on the couch, grab a controller, which kind of makes no sense, actually.
Why were they grabbing the controller?
Wasn't he grabbing?
No, no, that was before.
And then he buys the thing, plugs it in.
The problem with that episode was it was just about two black dudes who had sex with each other in a video game where he was an Asian woman and the other guy was an Asian guy.
Sure, I guess.
I loved it.
phil labonte
It's like, Asians.
What?
brett dasovic
Batman Forever when Jim Carrey gives everybody the box that they can put on their heads so that they can be in the TV.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Well, that just, all that did was make the, all that was was a 3D TV.
Like in that movie, they put a thing on their forehead and then the TV becomes 3D and it makes them retarded.
brett dasovic
Well, they start because they, well, the idea is supposed to be like they feel like they're inside of it and they don't want to be anywhere else.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yep.
jp sears
Oh.
See, that's the kind of thing that would have me a no.
I think a lot of people, including myself to an extent, it's like we're allergic to discomfort and life is filled with uncomfortable experiences.
And personally, I think life just, it flows better.
We get more fulfilled if we embrace uncomfortable experiences.
So escaping into a reality, I think that could quickly become a form of addiction.
brett dasovic
I mean, people become addicted to the video.
tim pool
That's the thing.
The problem then isn't the medium, it's the addiction.
Yes.
I don't drink.
I might have a glass of wine once per year.
You know, the holidays are coming up.
I'm not opposed to drinking.
I just don't enjoy it, but I'll have some.
The problem isn't having a drink.
The problem is drinking all day, every day.
You could be addicted to things like eating spaghetti and you'll get malnourished.
I saw one story like 10 years ago where a guy, all he did was eat sushi and then he died from mercury poisoning.
It's like all good things, you know what I mean?
Like, you got to slow down there.
jp sears
I think for myself, I know I have a very addictive personality, and that's got a positive side, like good work ethic, but also like just knowing myself, it's like, I wouldn't want the temptation.
tim pool
But it's a video game.
That's the point.
jp sears
I don't play video games either for the same reason.
tim pool
I don't really play all that often as much as I used to.
Today I was Cody Dennison, and I was driving the Timcast truck and race car, and I was pit maneuvering everybody and just knocking them out.
And it was funny because Cody knows all these guys, and you see their name as I destroy their car in his image.
It's funny.
brett dasovic
And by the way, that guy deserves it.
jp sears
If any of the other racers are watching this, Cody said he hates you all.
He said you can't drive for crap.
You can't knock him out on the racetrack.
brett dasovic
He's looking at you, Frankie Muniz.
tim pool
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phil labonte
That's right.
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And me, I'm thinking about getting a ribeye this Thanksgiving season.
I am not a fan of turkey.
phil labonte
No.
unidentified
Neither.
tim pool
Ribeye, it is.
Turkey.
Take some break.
phil labonte
It's okay because the sandwich is the next day.
brett dasovic
I eat it at Thanksgiving.
That's like the only time of the year I have to.
tim pool
I am not even a fan of the sandwiches.
phil labonte
No?
tim pool
Well, to be fair, oven gold turkey, boar's head, with some cheddar cheese on an onion roll cannot be beat.
phil labonte
It's nice.
tim pool
But let's grab your chats and rants.
Krent says, Phil, my daughter turned 12 today and is a huge All That Remains fan.
Can she get a happy birthday?
phil labonte
Happy birthday.
tim pool
She got anti-fragile on vinyl and lost her mind.
phil labonte
That's awesome.
What's her name?
I wish that you put her name so I could wish her a happy birthday.
tim pool
Her name is Phil Ina.
I'm kidding.
phil labonte
Happy birthday to you.
tim pool
Cupcake says, thank you, JP, for coming to Spokane.
Hope to see you again soon.
Seeing Scott Pressler tonight, fighting to secure WA state elections.
Keep it the good fight, everybody.
phil labonte
Right.
jp sears
Thank you for that.
tim pool
Black Nexus says Republicans wouldn't even censure someone that colluded with Epstein to launch a fake impeachment against Trump.
Ilhan Omar isn't deported.
They won't do anything to Hillary.
We wasted our votes.
Well, I don't know that you wasted your vote so much that you didn't have anything else to vote for.
brett dasovic
Well, and there was more stuff to it than just those things, right?
You didn't just vote for that.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
James Smith Politics says, Cody's Origins Online was talking about his horrible experience working at GameStop.
cody dennison
It is, yeah.
It was very random.
I just was like, I'm going to put up YouTube videos, and I put out a video talking about GameStop.
I saw this guy, he had a video out, and he's like, I worked at GameStop.
And I watched it and he worked there for like a month or two.
And I was like, well, damn, I worked there 11 years.
phil labonte
Wow.
cody dennison
And my manager used to bring escorts to the back of a store.
phil labonte
If you're listening, if you're bringing the back of the store, they're not escorts.
They're not escorts.
cody dennison
I was, you know, I complained to our regional, but he was like, he was like a 500-pound guy.
He was like a big dude.
unidentified
And he was like, and he was just the 500-pound guy was bringing escorts in.
cody dennison
Yeah, into the back room at GameStop.
And he would do the craziest things.
I mean, it was all like a movie.
He dropped his e-break and put his car in the river to get the insurance off of it one time.
The dude was a wild guy.
phil labonte
Anyways, he's living life on 10.
cody dennison
Yeah, so I put a video out talking about that kind of stuff.
And yeah, I've been doing YouTube ever since.
tim pool
Bat Who Laughs says Stacey Plaskett received maximum political donations from Jeffrey Epstein.
Business Insider wrote an article on it back in 2023.
That's what I'm saying.
My opinion is that she was working for Epstein.
He paid the way she did what she was told.
Data says, and to what you said about the X purchase, Mr. Timcast, remember, Mr. Musk put a $1 million award for anyone to give tip on the programmer responsible on the problems inside the code.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Interesting.
David Flores says DOJ just charged a Democrat from Florida with stealing $5 million in FEMA funds to fund her Democrat campaign, no less, and get a seat in Congress.
That's the name of the game, isn't it?
Let's see.
Rofflo says, Tim, since you seem to like it as much as I do, if you don't know, a new Stargate series has been announced.
Not many details yet, but it's happening.
brett dasovic
I saw that today.
tim pool
Stargate fans.
You think you're real Stargate fans?
It's embarrassing.
I'm just going to point out that I received a text from the Coronemic letting me know they were relaunching Stargate.
So I'm just kidding, by the way, but shout out to Corin.
We had him on the show and we had one of the best, the best bits we've ever done with Cast Castle, which was we filmed the skit where Ian was convinced Stargate is real.
And when Corin came on the show, he was just like, this guy's crazy.
I'm an actor.
It's not real.
And but Ian kept being like, I don't know, man.
phil labonte
I'm going to go through the Stargate, man.
tim pool
And he's like, there's no Stargate.
It was a prop.
And then by the end of the bit, we're like, hey, man, it was really great to have you on the show.
Come back anytime.
And he's like, all good.
Well, I'll see you guys later.
And he walks out the door.
And then you see him looking towards the camera.
And then he goes to his watch and he goes, We're good.
Ian thinks it's fake now.
And then you see the light from the Stargate open up.
And then he walks through.
brett dasovic
Those are early days.
tim pool
Yeah, that was like three years ago.
That was fun.
Stargate was real.
Yeah, and then we had Marjorie Tip.
We played Magic the Gathering with Marjorie Taylor Green.
Those were fun days.
Those were fun days.
brett dasovic
I have watched some Stargate.
I'll never give in to Star Trek, but I did find a lot of SG1 compelling.
tim pool
Stargate SG-1 is amazing.
Just an absolutely incredible show.
It's very much one of these shows where they explore the philosophical consequences of technology and certain decisions.
One episode, for instance, there's a planet where, for those that are the problems of the show, there's a gate, they put in random coordinates, and then it brings them to another gate on another planet or something.
They go to one where the probe sees nothing, but then as it moves forward, all of a sudden it's in like a normal-looking little town.
And when they go there, there's like, oh, there's only a thousand people who live here.
And then they watch somebody just zonk out and then just walk out to their death into the, there's basically a force field keeping air safe to breathe.
And outside, it's like you'll die from a from a environment, some kind of environmental disaster.
Anyway, it's a 20-year-old show.
So here's the show's premise.
They find out that there is a central AI that is wirelessly controlling people to commit suicide because as the power depletes, the force field shrinks and they can't sustain the population levels.
Then they erase everyone's memory of that person having existed.
So they're like, we've always been a thousand people.
And then they go in the logs and it turns out it used to be millions, but as the power is breaking down and the field is shrinking, it's just deleting people.
Great show.
jp sears
I'm glad it wasn't COVID killing.
I was worried about that.
tim pool
Maybe that was still M.
jp sears
It's a we're in the middle of a pandemic, people.
Right now, please get serious about this.
phil labonte
Six feet apart.
tim pool
All right, what do you got here?
Bueno Malio says the Simpsons episode about big squashing changing the future would have been inspired by A Sound of Thunder by Ray Bradbury.
The episode where Hummer makes a time travel toaster and then he goes back in time and then he kills the bug and goes, oops, and then finally he snaps, just starts smashing everything and destroying it.
And then he finally makes it back to a future where everything seems normal, but they're all eating with their super long lizard tongues or frog tongues or whatever.
Yeah, he comes back to the future and everything seems normal.
Or no, one of the futures he goes to, he's like, Tell me, Marge, do we have this?
Do we have that?
She's like, yes, yes, it's fine.
And he goes, oh, great.
Now pass me a donut.
She goes, what's a donut?
He goes, ah!
He runs back downstairs, hits the toaster, and then she looks out the window, and donuts start falling from the sky.
unidentified
And she goes, oh, it's raining again.
tim pool
The early Simpsons were the best.
What's a donut?
And they, they basically, tons of the, like, the way everybody talks is based on The Simpsons.
People don't know this.
Meh, right?
When people go, meh, that's Simpsons.
They made that up.
They made up the grunt, meh.
That's wild.
And Yoink was made up.
There's a whole bunch of other things.
Quiet part loud is made up by The Simpsons.
brett dasovic
There was like a really interesting tweet.
I just pulled it up from like, I think it was like two weeks ago where a guy says The Simpsons is the ultimate boomer program because it tries to freeze time around their lives with increasingly absurd results.
Marge is supposed to be 34, but she was 34 in 1989.
Meaning she was born in 1959, so she is 1955, so she's canonically 70 in the show.
And Maggie is around 36.
Skinner is a middle-aged man with a still-living mother, and apparently he served in Vietnam.
tim pool
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Like, none of this works, but for its generation that still don't see themselves as old.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, it's interesting.
Fairly odd parents solved this problem.
You know how they solved it?
There's an episode where it's revealed Timmy Turner made a wish to be 10 years old forever and it's been 50 years and no one's aged and the world just stays the same because the show's been on the air for like 20 years or whatever.
brett dasovic
That right now.
tim pool
Now I think, what is it?
They added a young black girl and now Timmy and this young black girl have to share the fairies.
brett dasovic
Is that what?
Where is it?
Where is it on?
tim pool
Probably Nickelodeon or something.
brett dasovic
Nickelodeon.
tim pool
Yep.
All right.
Mason says, Massey is what I want every congressman to be like when this war is when this war with the Democrats is over.
Indeed.
jp sears
Do you hear that, Phil?
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, look, I'm a Thomas Massey fan.
jp sears
Well, you're a bigger McConnell fan from what I understand.
tim pool
All right.
F it button says, Nick has some decent takes.
This ain't one of them.
And is the core.
You really shouldn't estimate how stupid his viewers are.
They know nothing and demand and embrace power.
Sound familiar.
I'm going to put it like this.
The easiest thing for a politician to do to gain power is to say, it's not your fault.
Someone else did something bad to you.
And the problem for the left is that they said white people bad because they wanted to create a villain to rally these other demographics around.
For Nick, he utilized a very similar world political point.
That's why I'm not a fan of calling it necessarily woke to say this.
Accuse someone of wronging you, demagogue.
It's been done by every world leader all the time.
They accuse Trump of doing it, and Trump's not a leftist.
Nick is basically saying to the young white men, the left is doing this and/or the special interests.
It's not your fault.
We have to take the power back from them.
And so then you'll get a large base to rally around it.
Nobody wants to say it's my fault.
But I will tell you this.
If every problem you experience, you blame yourself for, you will be much more successful than those who blame others.
brett dasovic
I literally just did a video on this.
Like, I did a video about Lucy Liu saying, like, part of her, if you don't know who Lucy Lou was, she was in Kill Bill.
She was in the Charlie's Angels movies.
And she did a, like, she was talking about how like her be like her race played a role in her career like stalling out.
And like, first of all, you've had a charmed career over like three decades and most actors would kill to have the career that you've had.
But if you, if you let other people, if you let people that you believe wronged you because of your race, if you give them that power, you're automatically kind of acquiescing to their worldview, right?
Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, but taking ownership of what happens to you, both good and bad, can only benefit you in the long run because it keeps you from surrendering that power to other people.
phil labonte
Jocko Willick wrote a book called Extreme Ownership.
brett dasovic
That's basically.
tim pool
So my lesson from my dad was when I was a freshman in high school, which was only about two months, mind you, I was walking to school and part of the reason I hated high school is they we went from 7.30 a.m.
To 230 p.m.
Class and then the high school was like, I got an idea, let's have the freshman come at 11 a.m.
And leave at 5, 45 p.m.
And it was like a hormonal shock to everybody.
Like you don't wake up that early.
We're sitting around, there's nothing but daytime TV on.
We have no idea what's going on, but anyway.
So I'm walking to school and it's like 1030 and a train comes.
So I sit down and wait and the train keeps going by and the train stops and I'm sitting there for like a half an hour and I'm like oh, there's a train.
And then finally the train clears.
I get to, I get to school and they're like you're late.
That's a detention and I had to get it signed by my parents and I told my dad I was like the train came, it's not my fault, and he goes.
You know, the train tracks are there.
You should have left early.
And that's a great lesson, because it's true if, if now, I didn't care for school, so I was like I don't care, I didn't go to detention.
So then they gave me a Saturday.
So they gave me a Saturday detention.
I didn't go to that either, and then I dropped out.
So anyway.
But if you have an obligation and then you get into traffic and go it's not my fault, there was traffic you will be less successful than the guy who says, I better account for the traffic, so I'm not late.
brett dasovic
Yeah, I feel like that's part of like one of the issues with like podcasting and stuff like that.
They need stuff to talk about and, like you said, Jocko Wilnick has he's he's got the radical ownership taken, so somebody else has to go somewhere else and talk about something else and they have to go to blaming other people for what they think the problem is.
But if you're talking internally, the best thing you can do for yourself is to hold yourself radically responsible for all of your actions.
Maybe it isn't your fault sometimes, but you're going to be much, much better off if you take responsibility for.
tim pool
The idea is this, obviously it's not my fault.
A train shut up unexpectedly and then stopped.
We didn't know it was going to happen.
But if we approach all of these circumstances from.
How do I mitigate a potential problem?
Then you will be better off.
brett dasovic
Being on time is being 15 minutes early.
tim pool
That's right.
Here we go.
We got Edgy Gay Retard who says I had someone use.
The Illegals actually commit less crimes than the average American line on me today.
I actually agree with this uh, the sentiment.
I also think the value of a group of people is linked to how much crime they commit.
brett dasovic
I think somebody just logged into my alt account.
tim pool
Jason Dixon says Tim, shout out the discord and the pre-show third chair with Slick and Olivia.
Question for Tim, who is your favorite cast member and why is it Surge?
Because he presses the buttons.
brett dasovic
I like that, Olivia.
She sounds great.
tim pool
Indeed.
The one free man says welfare should never be incentivized.
Agreed.
And the Trump admin says they're going to overhaul Snap.
They're going to make everyone have to reapply.
unidentified
We'll see.
tim pool
Which is wow.
brett dasovic
Government workers are just turning gray right now.
cody dennison
Well, apparently there was a bunch of dead people that were on it as well.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
David Molin-Narolo.
Tim, this is for you.
Amazon Prime will be producing a brand new Stargate series with the original producers within the same universe as the original series, which means cameos from classic characters.
I am down for it.
What a great show.
One of the funnier elements of the show is that life forms can like ascend, like they become beings of pure energy and go to like a higher plane or something.
It's a great show.
I love it.
Let's go.
Also, Star Trek Next Generation, Star Trek never got its proper sequel, so I'm a bit bummed.
When they did Picard, it was kind of supposed to be like What's After Next Generation?
And it just turned into fan service.
And then they went back in time and Trump's presidency led to a dictatorship.
And it's just like, okay, I'm not going to watch this.
brett dasovic
There are rumors going around that Kurtzman's going to be out and that they're going to be taking Star Trek a different direction now that David Ellison's in charge over there.
tim pool
I think what we need to do is just lead a peaceful revolt to Disney and demand that they burn all new Star Wars, like just all the data files and computers.
We will dance around the fire of the sequel movies and all the stupid shows they've done.
I suppose Andor and Rogue One can stay, but then we'll say, we'll act like none of these things ever happened and do a new sequel to Return of the Jedi, which makes more sense and is more interesting.
unidentified
Yes.
brett dasovic
So yeah, you can make it on AI on our platform now.
tim pool
I will.
And what's going to happen is when Disney launches their Creator's Corner, which they've talked about doing now, you were sending me that article.
It's funny.
We were talking about this with Zachary Levi, and then Brett sends me an article where Disney is actually planning.
brett dasovic
A couple days later.
tim pool
Yep.
They're planning an AI function.
We predicted this.
They're planning an AI function on Disney Plus where you can make whatever you want with their characters.
brett dasovic
I think they're ahead of schedule from what you predicted, too.
That's the crazy part.
tim pool
I mean, maybe.
What did I say?
Like a year or two?
brett dasovic
I think he said, yeah, two years.
tim pool
Two years.
I think two years is still a safe bet, but maybe I'm crazy.
I mean, this Sora 2 stuff is getting nuts.
brett dasovic
All these companies are investing in AI.
tim pool
You know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to have, I think what will happen is you'll create an account on Disney and you'll have followers because this is what Sora is already doing.
I predicted this.
Sora, when you sign up for ChatGPT's fake video thing, you get an at handle and people follow the AI videos you make.
It's going to be like, I'm going to go on Disney and I'm going to say, okay, we are going to fix Revenge of the Sith.
First of all, we're deleting Phantom Menace, gone.
We're starting with Clone Wars.
We're putting a movie in between, which is the actual Clone Wars.
Then we're going to do Revenge of the Sith.
And so I'm going to do that.
But I'm also going to have short films that fix a whole bunch of movies.
There's going to be The Empire Did Nothing Wrong.
Also, Sauron is the good guy.
Sauron is the good guy.
It's all propaganda.
Sauron is the good guy.
You know why?
Why?
See, what's happening is Middle Earth is chaos.
Warring tribes and factions, petty squabbling.
The dwarves, what are they doing?
Mining to their deaths, unleashing giant monsters?
Sauron's like, okay, we need to order.
And so what he decides is he gets a bunch of elves, he trains them so they understand we are going to create a functional system and stop having this bickering.
What do they do?
What do the elves do?
They write this propaganda and they write the orcs are, you know, Uruk Hai are all monsters.
Of course, just like how they depict Donald Trump as a white supremacist, when we all know that's not true, my joke is it would be fun to make alternate propaganda versions of how Sauron was the good guy and how the Empire were good.
Just fix all these things, you know?
phil labonte
I like it.
tim pool
I'm going to have a good time doing it.
All right, let's grab some more super chats.
The Redneck Kipster says, Hillary's offspring is aesthetically displeasing that a, what is I, a blue jay from the courts?
I don't know what that means.
I don't, I don't know what that sentence is.
Anyway, the first part I understood.
David Bricken says, Ghylaine Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding in 2017.
There's photos of her at the wedding.
That proves it.
jp sears
It does.
That connects everything right there.
tim pool
Even the Mandela effect.
jp sears
Yeah.
Case closed.
I think we've solved it.
tim pool
Jakal says, Jackal, BR.
Interesting.
I do not have my local reps' personal phone number to text when I want to collude.
The funny thing is, like, I tried to make a joke that's not normal to be able to do that, but I actually personally know Riley voted for him.
He's a good dude.
I think he's doing a great job.
jp sears
I do have my personal rep's phone number too.
tim pool
Yeah.
jp sears
So there's that.
tim pool
Well, I guess there's a big club and we're in it.
brett dasovic
Just you guys are in it.
phil labonte
You two are in it.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
Random username says FYI YouTube won't let me comment on your videos again.
This was a thing during Biden, stopped being a thing since Trump and now has started again.
That proves it.
I don't know what it proves, but something's getting proved.
Prove in.
All right, what do we have here?
Mr. Gur says, if Kamala had won, you'd know this is what you want.
What, Stargate?
phil labonte
What did he say?
tim pool
I don't know.
All right, everybody.
Smash that like button.
Share the show with everyone you know, even grandma, your cousins, your great cousins, second cousins and third, whoever you can.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
The Rumble uncensored portion of the show is coming up right about now.
So go to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
You don't want to miss it.
It's going to be fun.
We've got a, I got a funny cameo and a video that you'll want to see, and I'll show you guys.
JP, do you want to shout anything out?
jp sears
Yeah, if you want to follow me, you can find me on YouTube and Rumble.
Username is awaken with JP.
And if you find me offensive, then you'll want to avoid those places.
cody dennison
You can find me at Camelot331 on YouTube, Camelcast Off on X. I've been active there a lot lately.
So go give me some love.
And you can also sometimes see me in a race car throughout the year.
brett dasovic
Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and X at Brett Dasovic on both of those platforms.
You should also check out Pop Culture Crisis.
We are live Monday through Friday, 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, which is noon Pacific.
I have also been putting out an additional full-length episode every weekend on our audio platforms.
I stitch together a bunch of extra topics that I cover throughout the week that we do not get to on PCC.
So I'd love you to check that one out as well.
Thank you, guys.
phil labonte
I am Phil That Remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
You can check out a great new merch drop we just did in conjunction with Puck Hockey at puckhockey.com.
That's P-U-C-K-H-C-K-Y.com.
It's got some great hockey jerseys, basketball jerseys, some really cool stuff.
So go check that out.
You can check out the band's music on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
Thanks for hanging out.
So remember we did that Elon Musk song that was really great?
Actually, I'm going to pull it out.
I'm going to pull it up.
Breathing Elon's Musk because I thoroughly enjoyed it.
460,000 views.
unidentified
Now we're all breathing Elon's mus named as Pipcandals under roads.
Neural acin every skull.
AI honest red.
tim pool
I love that song.
That's great.
Well, he made a new one, and I think probably because we shouted him out.
Shout out to Skybrows.
We shouted out the video because it was really good.
He made a new one called Joe's Rogan, and it's about Joe growing hair.
I should really unmute.
unidentified
He's a big fan of cat girls.
tim pool
It's a meme reference to Elon and Joe, I guess.
unidentified
Spotify warps, headlines, numbers.
tim pool
Look at that.
Stealth Darm made a cameo.
Hypermectin horses.
unidentified
Jamie, shut the bleep up, no time to waste.
Cold guns on a glorious sheen.
Stem cells grow, repair the seams.
Carnivore fueled, kettlebell swings.
It's entirely possible, Jim Rogan's Rogan.
tim pool
I was thinking, like, was it meant to be me?
unidentified
I think so.
Joe's Rogan.
tim pool
I don't think so, though.
Jamie, pull that.
Oh, that is me.
unidentified
Yeah, it's me.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm wearing the hoodie.
That's not, but it's meant to be.
That is the hoodie that I wear sometimes, I think.
But I'm actually in it later on in the song.
unidentified
Them good old boys want their own Joe.
It baffles him that they don't know.
Bless sex, love, and human hacks.
Sucker board glitches, Asman reacts.
I say Roche King, Roche King.
Let's pull that Cedar Grave.
Spaceships landed now, Texas.
does put a lot of cat girls in it regardless of whether it's a meme or not yeah this is crazy Yeah, it's nuts.
Results are played.
Super Saiyan 3, Joe Rogan.
You all know his name.
Here is a teacher.
Young Jamie's the seeker.
Joe's Rogan.
He's in marble lessons.
Humans final message.
tim pool
They become Catgirls.
phil labonte
It's great.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I do think the other song is better, though.
tim pool
The other song's too good.
Dude, the other song is...
That song's great.
Dude, AI, we are cooked, man.
nick fuentes
Yep.
jp sears
Between the visuals and the audio, there is so much packed in there to notice.
The nuances about Musk or Rogan.
tim pool
And the point is, these songs were all made by Grok.
I think the songs might be soon.
I don't know, but the videos are all Grok Imagine.
jp sears
No kidding.
nick fuentes
Yeah.
jp sears
That's really good.
tim pool
Like, I could go on Grok right now and make a video of.
I'm going to do it, actually.
Let's go to Grok.com.
I'm going to.
They'll let you make videos of anything.
It's kind of nuts.
Let's see.
I want to make a video.
We're going to do a video of Hillary Clinton crying and slipping on spaghetti.
Generating the video.
Let's see what it makes.
I hope it's not graphic because Grok actually makes graphic images.
cody dennison
I made one of these two days ago with just a picture of me and like a girl.
And then she threw me.
And then her crop top just lifted and it was just full on tits.
tim pool
Bro.
cody dennison
And they were like this.
And I'm like, yes!
Like, they're not like that and roll off.
They made them huge.
unidentified
No.
cody dennison
She is pretty upset.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
She's not slipping.
She's just got it all over her shoes.
jp sears
She's just ice skating through spaghetti.
cody dennison
God, look at all that spaghetti.
tim pool
That's gross.
jp sears
What do you think Hillary Clinton's doing right now?
tim pool
She's in a rocking chair in front of a fireplace with a little blanket on her lap.
jp sears
I don't believe it.
phil labonte
She's almost 80.
She's sleeping.
jp sears
No, she doesn't sleep.
tim pool
What should I?
What should I?
Okay, hold on, hold on.
Now with this video, I can make something else happen.
The floor becomes spaghetti.
cody dennison
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Dude, Grok is the craziest because it's really, it's the easiest to take any picture and just animate it in really fucked up ways.
Here's, I made this video.
Here you go.
Actually, you know what?
I'll do, I'll see if I can pull it up on the screen.
unidentified
I don't actually know if I can.
brett dasovic
Send it to yourself and oh, you know what?
tim pool
No, it's going to be my favorite.
phil labonte
Spaghetti.
cody dennison
That looks delicious.
tim pool
Yeah.
Let me.
phil labonte
I like spaghetti.
cody dennison
I haven't had a carb in like 30 days.
brett dasovic
Really?
unidentified
I remember when that happened.
tim pool
Here's the messed up thing: is there's a default function on it called spicy, which just makes softcore porn.
cody dennison
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Elon knows what the people want.
cody dennison
I had no idea.
tim pool
What you're going to make JP do.
brett dasovic
Elon's like, how are we going to fix the population collapse?
tim pool
I know.
cody dennison
Quick, take a picture of me.
tim pool
Hurry.
phil labonte
Maybe he's thinking if he just makes everybody horny all the time.
cody dennison
That fixes everything.
You know?
phil labonte
It fixes everything.
No, it doesn't.
tim pool
I thought this was supposed to be Hillary Clinton.
Let's do Hillary Clinton gets arrested by Officer Trump.
cody dennison
Officer Spaghetti.
tim pool
Officer Spaghetti.
So I saw, I figured that I looked.
I knew you could upload images to Gemini and these things and animate them.
But there's a video.
There's a guy who's getting a bunch of followers.
He goes on Instagram.
He'll go to a mall, take a picture of a random person without them noticing, AI generate a weird thing, and then show them.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Well, okay, I guess.
phil labonte
The embrace.
Yeah.
tim pool
Officer Trump catches criminal Hillary Clinton and embraces her lovingly.
cody dennison
Spicy mode.
unidentified
Oh, please don't.
tim pool
Here you go.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
jp sears
That's fun.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll try.
I'll pull this one up.
jp sears
That's fun.
I like to see myself looking obese.
tim pool
I feel more American.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
phil labonte
I love the fact that I could imagine.
The normal Hillary is the criminal Hillary.
No change.
unidentified
Just hurt.
All right.
tim pool
Here you go, everybody.
Here you go.
This is the future of videos.
unidentified
This table, by the way, weighs over a thousand pounds.
tim pool
So for him to have done that.
jp sears
And that actually happened.
But Grock could do that too.
tim pool
Yeah.
That was a video I just filmed.
We fixed the table.
jp sears
I was trying to imply that happened in real life.
unidentified
How about this?
jp sears
That's a really good joke.
I'm a professional, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Oh, my gosh.
cody dennison
I have friends.
I get, I have a question.
tim pool
You know how they have these, like, these AI porn laws now?
Is it illegal to make a video of Hillary Clinton giving Trump a kiss?
cody dennison
I don't know.
tim pool
Would they be like, that's sexual, you know, AI imagery?
phil labonte
I mean, it's Clinton.
Do you really want to risk it?
tim pool
Yeah.
jp sears
It's not illegal, but it's dead.
phil labonte
Well, it's not illegal, but it's damn good.
tim pool
I was like, is it going to be illegal for me to make a video of JP and Hillary kissing?
jp sears
I would sue you.
tim pool
Instead, she just gives you a hug.
And you're friends.
And that's it.
You guys are friends and they hug.
unidentified
Oh, Hillary.
tim pool
It's very nice.
cody dennison
Imagine the smell.
jp sears
I don't think she blinks.
phil labonte
Hillary Clinton doesn't blink.
jp sears
That's a fact.
She doesn't blink.
tim pool
She blinks like this, like one eye at a time.
phil labonte
She blinks like this.
It closes from the side.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brett dasovic
She's got a photo of her, like in the apartment.
And she's like, how do poor people live?
phil labonte
Yeah.
brett dasovic
Like standing there and she's just shocked.
phil labonte
Yeah.
You can tell that she's.
brett dasovic
Literally every apartment I've ever had and she's just disgusted.
phil labonte
She doesn't know what to do.
jp sears
She's like, they don't even have servants to scream at.
cody dennison
Where's your foil?
phil labonte
Are you supposed to yell at the rats?
brett dasovic
There is no chandelier.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We're going to go to callers here.
Make sure if you want to call in the future, you go to Timcast.com, click join us.
Get in that Discord server.
There is the 6 p.m. special behind-the-scenes show with the third share co-host of the show along with Slick and Olivia.
We have the Friday Backstage Pass where you can actually watch the full hour of pre-production.
We're trying to focus more on the community and development.
And so we've got a lot more stuff in the works.
I can also add that pool water, I believe, will be available for purchase Friday.
phil labonte
I love it.
jp sears
Is that out of your liquid death?
tim pool
Yeah, it's a gag product.
I think it's going to be, it might be like either 24, I think it's going to be $24 for a 12-pack, so they're about two bucks each.
Shipping's a bitch.
These are bottles of water.
They're heavy.
So it's not like you're getting from Amazon where they just eat the delivery fees because they're so massive.
It's a gag product as it is.
So, if you want to buy it, but what we're going to do here is we're going to be ordering like a thousand bottles so that whenever someone like we have that Icelandic water, pool water.
jp sears
Yeah.
tim pool
So, when you, when, when we, so we're going to have it's going to be glass, but we are going to do cans because I am not this like, oh no, plastic.
Like, I try to avoid plastic sometimes.
I do.
Uh, my issue is largely don't lie about it.
jp sears
Yeah.
tim pool
So, for people who don't care, just want canned water and don't mind the plastic liner, we're going to put like plastic in every can exclamation point.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
All right, let's go with uh Sir Jackhoff.
unidentified
What's up?
phil labonte
What's up, Sir Jack Hoff?
unidentified
What's up, guys?
Um, my question involves kind of the topic Tim was bringing up yesterday with old factions falling.
The right doesn't have woke to defeat anymore.
So, now we're bickering and fighting amongst each other about the issues that we most care about.
So, assuming those factions keep forming between the right over the Jews, or maybe neocons, will eventually we start having some form of people leaving each side.
How Tim left the left, or JP, I believe, also left the left, but people who became a disaffected neocon, maybe a lot, or you know, overcome the J-Pill in some form.
Like, will we start seeing those people denounced, such as like Tucker Carlson or like Dave Smith, going, you know what?
I don't like Israel, but these people actually have TDS and then joining the other side.
Maybe China rises up, and then you have neocons actually getting more power because China's a threat and we want more foreign intervention.
How do y'all see that playing out?
tim pool
Um, man, it feels like with the routing of the left, the right is now breaking apart because they have no unified enemy, they have no unified villain, or no, no, central villain, I should say not unified, and then we're going to start getting like everything's melting and breaking apart.
There's not a monoculture anymore, viewership is spreading out, we are decentralizing.
I feel like what's going to happen is the AI.
Let's just skip all the noise.
You'll plug your brain into the matrix and live in a singular universe.
Have a nice day.
Like, basically, the point is the stuff that we're seeing right now with cultural breakdown and ideological fracturing, you've got all these different tribes emerging, and they're going to keep getting smaller.
We're going to find ourselves in five years with the anti-Zionists, and that you've got anti-Zionist left, anti-Zionist right.
They don't like each other, but they do kind of agree on the Zionism thing.
But then, within each of these, it's going to break apart again, and you're going to get the Zionist disillusion movement and the Zionist separation movement where they're going to be like, You think we should just be uninvolved with Israel and ignore these people?
I think we need to recolonize and shut it all down.
And like, it's going to continually get more and more granular until we just plug our brains in and live in our own isolated universes.
phil labonte
I think that the people that have left the left, they largely left because they were driven out.
They didn't leave because, you know, it's not like they were like, you know what?
Those conservatives are actually right.
You know, they a good portion of them, or I think the majority of them left because they were like, okay, I can't get into this men and women's bathroom.
Well, I can't, I can't back whatever it was that set them off.
Or they said something and then the left canceled them.
So they're like, Well, I can't be around these people because I really believe this thing that has generally been a normal opinion up until five minutes ago.
So I don't know if I think that the people on the right are going to do that.
You know, I don't, I don't see a lot of people getting driven out.
Maybe Israel could be something that some people would leave, but I don't think that that's a big issue for the majority of Americans.
unidentified
So isn't that happening to Tucker?
tim pool
It's not just, but it's, but it's everybody.
I mean, I'll put it like this: we talked a bit about the turning point USA stuff.
I'm getting asked incessantly about it.
It's actually quite simple.
They booked our slot immediately and didn't tell us.
And they were cognizant of that they had done this.
With Charlie Kirk's passing, his murder, the vision of management was dramatically different.
And it's interesting because that was kind of the argument people were making, particularly Candace, that other people at Turning Point did not agree with how Charlie was doing things.
For three years, we held the same time slot.
My opinion of this is they're closing ranks.
They're focused on the world they want and the world they see.
Charlie was a big tent kind of guy who wanted to bring all the factions together.
Clearly, that's not the case right now.
There's donor disputes over Tucker Carlson.
Candace is clearly at odds with them.
And then there's the issue that we had where they booked the slot we normally had without thought.
And only after I said we won't be there and there was some backlash, they came back and said, we'll bump those speakers for you.
And I'm like, it's too late.
We can't do this.
My point is not to rehash that, but to point out the vision of people in this movement is there's no Charlie Kirk.
There's no Dan Bongino.
Without a loud voice that creates a low that can reach out to the lowest common denominator, you are going to get tribal factions breaking apart, disagreeing with each other, and it's going to make audiences smaller.
Revenue is going to get smaller.
That's the reality.
It's not just about politics.
It's every facet.
Video game audiences are getting smaller.
Movies are getting smaller.
And no one goes to theaters anymore.
There's no one big movie to go watch.
It's all little ones now.
Even Marvel movies are collapsing.
I think the trend we are on is towards total cultural granularization.
It's going to get to the point where, you know what, let me say it like this.
People tell me like, Tim, you've got one of the biggest shows, you know?
Like, I can't believe with like Turning Point especially, but aren't you one of like the biggest podcasts in the space?
And I'm like, I think we're averaging right now around 600,000 per episode.
YouTube's dropped down about 30K on average per episode, seasonal.
Everyone else has taken a little bit bigger of a hit in the political space, but Rumble is down a little bit.
Our audio side is seemingly okay.
So it's done a little bit.
Primetime cable shows used to do 7, 8 million per night.
So when they're like, wow, you're so big, you get 500 to 600,000.
I'm like, that is a small show.
brett dasovic
You're talking demo too.
unidentified
Right.
brett dasovic
Like you're talking demo market 18 to 49.
Like they were doing way more than that when you're talking about 10 years ago.
Audience.
tim pool
15 years ago, CNN was doing, what, like 6, 7 million?
Tucker Carlson in 2020 was doing 3 to 5 million.
To be fair, that wasn't Kido.
Tucker Carlson was doing like, I think it was doing 7,080,000 key demo, which is sort of where we are at.
It's seasonal.
I don't know what's going on right now why in November when views should be up, everybody's basically complaining.
I'm not going to drag anyone personally.
I just recommend you go and take a look at the video views of insert prominent conservative commentator or commentators in general.
And you're going to be like, whoa.
Because we do analytics tracking.
We compare our numbers to other numbers, not because we're trying to be better.
We want to see market trends, where people are watching, what we can sell for.
And, you know, Tate came in and said, check this out.
And he holds up YouTube and there's certain commentators.
And it's like their views are 20% of where they were two months ago.
And we're like, what the fuck just happened?
And people with millions of subs.
It's crazy.
Something's going on.
But it may be granularization in politics, in culture.
It's going to be impossible to fund a Super Bowl because the views are going to be breaking apart.
Now, we'll see with the Super Bowl coming up, how the ratings are going to be.
brett dasovic
I mean, they've talked about the whole reason they bring on somebody like Bad Bunny is to attract an audience outside the U.S. because they're trying all of these companies are looking to move beyond just the U.S. as a marketplace now.
You look at WWE getting in bed with Saudi Arabia, the possibility that Saudi Arabia wants to buy a piece of Warner Brothers.
There were talks of like a $70 billion all-cash offer because they have the money to do it.
And then we have Trump talking to the Prince yesterday, getting them to commit a billion or a trillion dollars investment, right?
In the U.S., it's insane.
tim pool
Indeed.
So I don't know.
unidentified
Maybe I went a bit off on a tangent there beyond the question, but my personal guess for the future is if the Overton window continues to shift, maybe more Christians.
Not all of them are completely anti-interventionalists, and especially if China rises and actually becomes more of an issue on a global stage.
I have a slight fear neocons are going to start gaining more power, but that's just my guess.
Thank you all for having me on.
One little shout out.
I'm a Texas member.
I recently met someone who is developing an app that's basically public square that's called Unite SA San Antonio.
And he has plans to move it not only to the rest of the nation, but obviously throughout Texas.
And it's specifically a Christian-focused app.
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