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Oct. 4, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Trump DOJ Announces INTERVENTION In Portland Over Nick Sortor Arrest | Timcast IRL
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All right.
tim pool
The federal government is investigating Portland.
Oh man, this is going to be huge.
The DOJ Civil Rights Division is launching this investigation because Portland police arrested journalist Nick Sorter after he got attacked.
However, when Katie Davis' court was attacked, beaten, and left with a black eye, they did not arrest Antifa.
Now, I can only just say, my friends, I've been warning for some time that the police in Portland are communists.
So this is not surprising, but it's good to see the feds are ramping things up.
We'll be talking about that.
We got a bunch of other news.
Donald Trump's got a major Supreme Court victory, allowing him to remove protected status from a ton of Venezuelan illegal immigrants.
And the Treasury is going to be making a Trump coin with him raising his fist by the American flag.
So that'll be fun.
We'll talk about that and a lot more before we get started.
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Holy crap, I can't miss this one.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Catalina Lauff.
catalina lauf
Hey, guys.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
catalina lauf
I am Catalina Lauff.
I'm running for Congress in Florida's 19th district, encompassing parts of Fort Myers, Cape Coral, Naples, Bonita Springs, Astero.
I'm really happy to be here.
tim pool
All right on.
We got Luke hanging out.
luke rudkowski
Hey guys, Luke Rodowski, youtube.com forward slash We AreChange.
Lots of crazy stuff happening right now.
UAP's just shut down the Munich airport.
tim pool
Wait, what?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, a bunch of crazy stuff happening in Europe with what I believe to be probably interdimensional beings.
Maybe, but we could go over it in the show.
Trump just told Israel to stop bombing Gaza.
So far, they haven't.
So hopefully we'll talk about that and a lot more.
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unidentified
Thank you.
ian crossland
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That's my cue.
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Eat coconut oil, olive oil, and what's the other one?
Avocado oil.
Those are your fruit oils that you want to use.
Happy to be here.
And we also, this maniac to my right, Mr. Tate Brown.
tate brown
What's up, Patriots?
Tate Brown here, pro beef tallow.
I'm all Metallowhead, so happy to be here.
luke rudkowski
A towel head, huh?
A towel, interesting word.
tate brown
So sleight of hand.
tim pool
Anyway, let's talk about the news.
We've got this story from the postmillennial.
DOJ Civil Rights Division investigates Portland police over response to Antifa attack on Katie Davis Court and the arrest of Nick Sorter.
For those that missed this, many of you may be aware that Katie Davis Corder, reporter for the postmillennial, was bashed in the head, giving her a black eye.
Just last night, or early this morning, depending on where you live, Nick Sorter, a conservative journalist, had been attacked by Antifa.
And when he went to the police to report the crime, they arrested him.
I've said it before.
I said it this morning.
I'm going to say it now.
The cops in the Pacific Northwest are communists.
I'm saying that somewhat to be a dick.
They are far leftists.
They are aligned with the left.
They protect Antifa.
Antifa are there under the protection of the police.
That is why when Katie was attacked, they did not arrest them.
That is why when Nick Sorter got attacked, they arrested him.
Now, you can make any argument in the world you want.
Actions speak louder than words.
But the big news is: check this out.
Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, Harmeet Dylan, has launched an investigation into the assault of Katie Davis Court and the arrest of Nick Sorter.
I believe we actually have this tweet from Harmeet Dylan saying, Portland, it's FO time.
Buckle up.
And then we have this letter published by Harmeet Dylan saying, Portland signed, sealed, and delivered.
I'll just read some of this.
It says, Dear Mr. Taylor in Chief, Day, your immediate attention to this matter is required.
We are writing regarding Portland Police Bureau's response to incidents surrounding the ICE facility in Portland and specifically the city of Portland's use of its policing powers in a manner that may be based on viewpoint discrimination.
Specifically, three issues have been brought to our attention.
PPB reportedly arrested individuals who may have been involved in an altercation, choosing to arrest Nick Sorter, but not others.
PPB reportedly failed to identify or arrest individuals who allegedly assaulted Katie Davis Court, even after briefly detaining the individuals.
And the city of Portland reportedly has attempted to use its policing powers through a zoning enforcement action to limit ICE's use of its Portland facility.
She goes on to say, Well, we have not reached any conclusions on these allegations.
We note a consistent theme in these three allegations.
All three would choose one viewpoint over another.
Moreover, the allegations implicate the city's performance under the settlement agreement in the above-referenced case.
They're going to mention, Harmeet Dylan mentions more to address our compliance concerns raised by these allegations.
We request the following by no later than October 10th: the original unredacted BWC recording of the officer, body-worn camera, involved in the arrest of Nick Sorter, the body-worn camera of the incident involving Ms. Davis Court, all unredacted incident reports for Ms. Sorter and Ms. David Court,
all complaints received about the incidents involving Mr. Sorter and Ms. David Court, Ms. Davis Court, or the decision to target the ICE facility for zoning enforcement, all non-attorney client privilege communications regarding their decisions, all non-attorney client privilege communications regarding directions to PPB responding to those protests, and any documents or explanation the city wants to provide to the U.S. in response to the above listed allegations.
Now, it sounds fun, but do y'all think this actually has teeth or it's just talking?
ian crossland
Drew Hernandez pointed out that she misspelled Nick's name.
She spelled it sorter with S-O-R-T-E-R in the first frame for sure.
I didn't read through all of it at the bottom there.
You'll see his name spoiled in E.
I don't know if that makes she has to reissue this.
It's just a.
tim pool
I don't think so.
ian crossland
Yeah, and I don't know that it really matters because she called a harmless error.
Right.
It's obvious that she's talking about Nick and what happened.
The thing is, the police's job is to keep the peace.
So at the microcosm, they're like, well, the reporter is the one that's poking the bear.
So let's calm down.
Let's take the reporter away and everything will be calm.
But you have to zoom out and look at Portland in general.
And that these groups that may be organized and maybe somewhat peaceful in their pretension to destroy, like, might actually be the chaotic thing.
And the reporters that are there might like it's more that Antifa is poking the United States' bear as opposed to the reporter poking Antifa's bear.
And the federal government getting involved, I think, shows that.
We have cameras now.
We have internet.
They can't do this stuff in seclusion anymore and just hide it.
luke rudkowski
I mean, Ian, we're in America.
People have a right to their opinions.
And I don't care if he's poking the bear or not.
I don't care what his opinions are.
He has a right to report from there.
The police officers, if they were doing their job, they should have intervened right away when people were attacking him, not wait after the fact to arrest all the parties.
heard that other people were arrested here as well.
So I don't know if that is true with what Harmit Dylan is saying, but obviously, clearly, we've been talking about this for the last few days.
This has always been going on.
People get attacked.
You defend yourself because I think Nick admitted to trying to swing back as well.
And then you get arrested for disorderly conduct, which is ridiculous.
tim pool
Nick tweeted the night before that if he gets attacked and defends himself, he'll be arrested.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
So he knew they'd target him for self-defense.
See, what people need to understand is that Antifa is a sanctioned division within the government.
And I mean that not in the hard, literal sense, like you're going to go to the government and find documentation of it.
But the police protect Antifa because they were effectively privateers for the city to attack their enemies.
The Portland police work for the liberal government, which does not want ICE operating.
They have a vested interest in protecting criminals.
How do they get rid of ICE?
How do they obstruct ICE?
Well, they can't order police to do it.
So what happens is, through circuitous means, they allow Antifa, protect Antifa, and then say, well, you know, there's nothing we can do about it.
Then when Antifa attacks Nick, they arrest Nick.
luke rudkowski
Why?
tim pool
Because he's interfering with a government operation.
What about Katie Davis Corpor gets attacked?
They don't arrest anybody because those people are allies of the police.
This has been true for probably five years.
We watched this when they did the Chaz Chop.
There was one video where a guy got attacked by Antifa.
He was backing away with his hands up.
Cops pull up behind him, jump out of a vehicle and grab him and arrest him and then apologize to Antifa.
That was in Seattle.
We know this is what's happening.
The feds need to go in.
So I hope this has real teeth.
catalina lauf
I think it does because for so long, we have seen these groups being completely emboldened by being allowed to get away with this stuff.
Everybody turns a blind eye, especially under Democratic administrations.
Finally, now that President Trump is laying down law and order and defending, rightfully so, conservative voices, I really believe this is a, I don't want to say, I do feel that this is actually going to set precedent to future moments of this because it has to stop.
I mean, it's unbelievable the violence that has been being caused against people who are like Nick just trying to spread facts.
Thank God for social media because look at the video.
Had we not had that, had we not even had evidence, none of this would even be talked about.
And thank God for the movement, because think about everybody who came up to his defense that even it even got to the eyes of the AG.
ian crossland
I feel like Antifa needs what I would call a reality check.
And this is actually could be a good thing for the movement of people that are actually anti-fascist.
The United States government is not fascist in the sense of Giovanni Gentile's fascism.
It was like a political, it was like a spiritual religious movement of like, we are all one.
We are all individuals, but we are also all connected.
We are all one.
And the state is the manifestation of that.
And so we are all, the state speaks for us.
The state is the greatest force of all of us.
And it became this religious zeitgeist in Italy that Mussolini then took and he made Gentile his minister.
tim pool
That's your point.
ian crossland
So my point is, if we don't have a country like that, that's not how our country works.
People don't have religious ad direct.
I mean, now you can see people, it might spark up.
People are like, good, govern me harder, daddy.
Give me the feds, give me the feds.
That can be, that can lead to fascism.
But in the meantime, we're more of a corporatocracy.
tim pool
This conversation, and I don't mean this to sound disrespectful, but the things you're saying are 2018.
ian crossland
People, they need to hear it, though.
People that are in Antifa and they think they're actually challenging fascism are in the world.
tim pool
Again, again, that's why I'm saying this conversation is 2018.
These people don't think they're Antifa.
They do not believe they are fighting fascism.
They are either completely devoid of any thought at all, or they are intentionally lying for the purpose of fomenting violence.
ian crossland
Last night you talked about the green shirts, the yellow shirts, and the red shirts in Antifa.
The green shirts truly believe they're fighting fascism and don't know what fascism is.
unidentified
Who's paying for it?
tim pool
But this is the point.
The point is, they don't know what fascism, communism, anti-fascism is.
They don't know what Antifa is.
They've never heard of these things.
And they are just there because someone invited them to come down and they don't know anything.
ian crossland
I'm speaking to those people.
tim pool
This is a very, very important distinction.
And this is 2025.
The conversation has advanced.
There was Joe Rogan mentioned this, and I had this critique throughout the week that he said these people really thought that Charlie was a bad guy and that they were good people.
Joe is incorrect in that assessment.
The reason why the lies about Charlie were able to work on the left is because the left never heard of him before.
So another good example is: I'm walking around the city today, and I get recognized all the time.
And I've got security.
We'll keep it at that.
And in these conversations, one points out, I'd say, oh, you know, people seem to notice that whenever someone comes up to me, they're a fan.
That's right.
Because in the actual political space, the people who are apprised of politics know what they're talking about, see me and say, I know who you are.
You are Timpool.
I'm a fan.
Liberals see me and don't know anything.
So the instances where I encounter someone who doesn't like me are exceedingly rare in public because the average liberal has no idea what is going on in politics.
And you need only look at politics.
You know who's a great follow when he unlocks his account?
It's Jess Margera.
Steve Bennon talks about how you got to watch MSNBC so you know what they're thinking.
And he's right.
I like to follow Jess Margera.
He's Ban Margera's brother, but he locks his account from time to time.
And he makes posts where you're like, okay, I see how they're thinking.
They've not even Google searched this.
The example being the reason for this shutdown.
Very simple.
If you turn on MSNBC, they're going to have Democrats going, we are, like Schumer or some Democrat will go, there is no healthcare benefits for illegal immigrants.
We are not requesting it.
We are not offering it.
There I said it.
Case closed.
And the liberals go, well, there it is.
Why are Republicans lying?
If they actually were telling liberals the truth, they'd say, and the reason is because we deem that anybody who enters the country illegally and then makes an assertion of legal status, we pause and say, this is now legally permitted.
So the Democrats don't actually tell liberals what's going on.
They just lie to them.
That's the important thing.
The people who are out on the ground at ICE don't know what ICE does, don't know what CBP is.
If you went to these people and said, what does ICE stand for?
They'd say, get out of here.
If you said, what does CBP stand for?
If you said, what is USCIS?
They'd go, huh?
That's the point.
They're not fighting fascists.
They are just devoid of thought.
The people who organize these rallies and the liberal high priests who communicate and rally them online know they are lying intentionally.
Like Hassan Piker posing in front of what kind of car did he buy?
He bought like a Maserati or something.
Like, come on, dude.
This guy lives in a mansion.
He's not an anti-capitalist.
He's a grifter.
That's the point.
All these people are lying to us.
catalina lauf
Liberal media.
ian crossland
Yeah, and the liberal media has been lying to us the entire time since 1949.
It's only when Trump came along and he sort of kind of red-pilled people intentionally or not.
And a generation of 15-year-olds is like, this guy's speaking the truth at least.
tim pool
I would argue that many of them are useful idiots to an extent.
There are some revolutionaries.
But when you take a look at the, here's a story for you guys.
We had Naima Trout scheduled, confirmed for the Culture War Live.
When we reach out to people for this debate, hey, we want liberals, we want conservatives.
Liberals always say, here's my fee, because they don't care about a cause making the country better.
Their whole job is, their whole life is, here's how many followers I have.
Here's how much money I am owed for this appearance.
That's why, if you notice, I'll keep some names out of this, but some of these bigger podcasts, which seem to get prominent liberals on their shows, pay them.
And then you'll find that these prominent liberals who are now being paid by these other podcasters change their opinions.
It's pretty obvious.
When we book conservatives, actually, we barely have to try.
They're knocking on the door nonstop.
Everyone knows this.
Bill Maher talked about it.
We booked Naima Trout and she said, I want money.
And we said, we lose money doing these events.
This is really just about having the debate.
We understand, though, it's a live event.
So we can offer you $500 as a fee.
Her team agreed to it and said, okay, we accept.
We'll cover your travel accommodation and give you 500 cash.
Nobody else is getting paid.
They emailed us yesterday saying, we want $5,000.
Can you do that?
And we said, no, we can't.
We lose money doing this.
And you know what?
Part of me says, I get it.
They're claiming, like, she got another offer.
It's going to pay her a lot of money and she has to take it.
Totally fine.
Who am I to tell you not to take that money?
But conservatives do it for the love and for the cause and for the movement, and liberals do it for the money.
So in terms of these people on the ground that are being antagonized by people, I said that figuratively, who are being riled up by the likes of Hassan or the Krasensteins.
The only reason Hassan is saying the things that he says is so that he gets more clicks and makes more money.
And it's evidenced in the fact that he has no consistent logic behind what he says.
These people on the ground are attacking Nick Sorter, not because he's Nick Sorter.
They don't know who Nick Sorter is.
They wouldn't know if he was a fascist or anything.
All they know is they were told, bad guy, hit bad guy.
There's nothing you can say to them.
I asked you this yesterday, Ian, I'll ask you again.
If you were standing on the gallows with one of these guys standing behind you, could you say anything that would change their mind about them about to hang you?
ian crossland
Technically, yes, but good luck.
tim pool
Literally not.
ian crossland
Say in the heat of the moment.
tim pool
Yeah, winning the lottery.
We get it.
But the point is nothing you say would make them change their mind because they don't even know who you are.
ian crossland
It's literally nothing.
It's not literally nothing.
luke rudkowski
Well, a lot of them are mentally ill, not just totally ignorant.
I mean, we know this from personal experiences when me and Tim were out in Germany during the biggest anti-fun meeting ever in history recorded.
And they took a picture of us standing next to you.
tim pool
We were all walking in different, it was like you, me, and Max, I think his name was.
luke rudkowski
Yes, Max and Marcus.
tim pool
And then Lauren Southern was in the background walking a different direction.
And that was enough to where they said, anyone in this photograph must be beaten.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
Whether you were with Lauren or not.
And so they ended up beating, like, I want to make sure this is very, very clear for everybody.
Sorry for interrupting you, Luke, but Marcus and Lauren Southern don't know each other.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
And they attacked Marcus and tried stealing his camera because he was seen in the foreground of a photo.
He was walking forward by himself.
She was in the background walking the other direction.
So they attacked him.
ian crossland
You know what's going on?
luke rudkowski
And Marcus was an international journalist.
So was Max.
Max was working for the German mainstream media, and they still decided to single them out, beat the crap out of them.
Max had to have knee surgery afterwards because they kept stomping him.
Luckily, I was able to get away with a few lumps, but still, it wasn't a pleasant scenario where they were literally following us throughout the entire city and then following us home as well.
tim pool
Let me tell you how creepy these people are.
Okay.
So when Lauren Southern was getting threatened and we were like, maybe we should leave, I said, I'm going to go, I'm done here.
Like, I don't want to stick around.
It's getting dicey.
I'll go back with Lauren, make sure she makes it back to the apartment, to the airport.
luke rudkowski
She's being hard-headed.
She was like, I'm not going to leave her.
I'm going to keep reporting.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Like, what are you doing?
You insane woman.
tim pool
And I was like, I'm leaving.
You can come.
Let's go.
When we were leaving, people were tweeting our location as we walked through various neighborhoods.
So we're in a side street in Hamburg, Germany, not anywhere near any businesses or anything.
And we see two people ride past on bikes, the only people we saw.
And they look at us and turn their head like this at us as they go by.
And I'm like, that was weird.
Next thing we know, following the hashtag on Twitter, citing Lauren Southern seeing at this intersection, I went, holy crap, let's go.
So we went to a restaurant and we were like, let's just wait out inside.
They were regular people walking on the street, seeing us and then tweeting it.
That's how psychotic these Stepford wife cultists are in Germany.
luke rudkowski
They shut down the train systems by blocking all the railroads.
Then they were shutting down the airport.
Then they were literally marching around just burning cars and stores as they pleased.
As police officers literally were just like, yeah, we're not going to do anything here.
That's the type of scenario that we were in as we were literally waiting inside of our Airbnb trying to figure out if they figured out our location or not because help wasn't coming.
You know, the release wasn't going to help you.
ian crossland
The reason I would only make an appeal to people, the green shirts, the people that don't know on a show like this is because there's something different about when you're in the wisdom of a crowd.
When you're in a crowd, I would never make an appeal to a crowd.
It's useless.
They have mob mentality, but individuals that catch a clip on the news might hear something and be like, I'm not going to the next rally.
Sorry if the screen's green, not sorry.
catalina lauf
I'll just ask you.
ian crossland
Scoot on in, T-Bone.
catalina lauf
To your point, though, about liberals, especially Antifa types, being motivated by cash.
How many of those people do you think are paid activists?
Because I do feel that so much of this, are there real, is this actually not, it's not organic as the left tries to paint it out to you?
Well, they're actually getting paid.
tim pool
Define organic.
I mean, are people stupid, stupid people could be hired to do a lot of jobs.
And so.
catalina lauf
And who's paying them?
tim pool
Simple answer, George Soros.
catalina lauf
Yeah, let's get down to the bottom of the money.
tim pool
They're investigating.
So the way it works is the, was it the Open Society Foundation?
Yeah.
They make contributions to a bunch of NGOs.
That's it.
What those NGOs do is it's different.
So what ends up happening is when you want to simplify it for a conservative and you say, George Soros is providing a lot of the funding, not all of it, but a piece of it to various NGOs, which finds its way into the hands of these protesters.
The left then says, because this doesn't actually help inform the average person, because then what you end up hearing is like on the ground during Occupy, people going, I wish I was getting a Soros check.
unidentified
Tool.
tim pool
Because, you know, Hannity and Fox News are saying Soros was paying these protesters.
What actually happens is during Occupy Wall Street, there was a guy, a facilitator.
We call these, we were talking about this yesterday, the yellow.
There's green, yellow, and red.
Yellow organize their could be targeted if people find out who they are.
Red engage in violence.
And the green are the doofs they trick into coming by claiming that Radiohead is going to play at Zuccotti Park.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They literally did this.
They said Radiohead was doing a free show.
It was Radiohead, right, Luke?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Radiohead was doing a free show at Occupy Wall Street.
2,000 people showed up.
And then the yellow, they said, Mike, check.
Everyone knows, Mike, check.
Before Radiohead, we're going to teach you guys about Occupy.
And then use it as an opportunity to indoctrinate.
Once they were done, they said, unfortunately, Radiohead's not coming.
Tricked everybody to get there.
So what happened?
So these people, they're paid to be there.
How?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No one says to them, go down and organize Occupy.
What happens is they work for a nonprofit that receives funding from a variety of sources.
Some of it probably USAID.
Like USAID will give money to various NGOs and foundations will give money to them.
They could be environmental nonprofits.
The boss, the director of that office, will say to the guy, you know what, man, why don't you take the day off?
You wanted to go hang out at Occupy Wall Street, right?
They sure could use an organizer.
Take the day off on me.
They go down there and they're supposed to be working a salaried position for the nonprofit.
They're still getting paid, but now they're organizing these protests, creating flyers and getting people to show up.
And it's not really, but money is fungible.
So when they say, take the day off, so long as you're organizing Occupy Wall Street, I'm okay with that.
They're getting paid to be there.
Regular people, people on the right, can't quit their jobs and go do this stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
That's why I see guys like Tim and Luke.
I mean, you've been dealing with these freaks for, I mean, well over a decade now.
And I see this.
And then you compare that and contrast that with sort of the commentary class on the right over the last 10 to 15 years.
And they're just convinced they can principle their way out of this just by principles.
And YouTube specifically, I mean, have been sounding the alarm on political violence now for a really long time.
Saying, nope, it's here.
It's real.
tim pool
Who has?
unidentified
YouTube?
tate brown
No, you guys.
tim pool
Oh, you guys.
I was like, YouTube.
tate brown
So it's like you guys have been sounding alarm like this is prevalent on the left.
And yeah.
tim pool
You know what really bothers me is that no matter how many times I've said over the past few years, like, okay, to be fair, obviously the people who watch this show agree with me to a great deal.
Not on everything, but I kept pointing out back 2018, these cops are communists.
The chief of police is appointed by a Democrat.
The Democrats don't like you.
And so we've learned this hard lesson when proud boys were sentenced to prison for four years after Antifa attacked them.
And this is not the first time we have seen the police target the innocent and let the criminals go.
It happens on a daily basis.
I keep hearing from conservatives, even recently, saying it's not the cops' fault, Tim.
It's the DAs who let them go.
Maybe now, those naysayers watching Nick Sorter get arrested after they attacked him and Katie Davis Court got attacked and they would not arrest Antifa.
Maybe now you're like, oh, Tim was right the whole time.
Communists can get hired as cops all the same.
The Soviet Union had police, okay?
All of the communist countries, China has police, and they are commies.
catalina lauf
To your point, what's sad about all this political violence is that this was laid out as early as the 70s.
And it's crazy that it has taken our side so long to recognize what they're capable of.
The stuff has been laid out in Sololinsky's books.
They've been laid out in The Weather Underground, if you knew who those guys were.
And this stuff is just recycled, except now on a mass scale, I think.
And it's just like those, those, that was, we've known about this.
And why has it gotten this bad?
And whose fault is it that it has been emboldened?
And I think it's because the culture has changed significantly.
tim pool
Well, I can give you a reason.
Let's jump to this story from the hill.
Kavanaugh's attempted assassin sentenced to eight years in prison.
That's it.
He attempted to assassinate not just a sitting Supreme Court justice, but his family was threatened as well.
Eight years.
I mean, that's pretty wild.
So the message being sent with the assassination of Luigi Mangayan, I'm sorry, the assassination allegedly by Luigi Mangion of Brian Thompson, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and the attempted attempt on Kavanaugh's life is that you're going to get a slap on the wrist.
You are going to be venerated and praised.
So just a moment ago, you were mentioning the culture that brought us to this point.
You've got a variety of factors at play.
One, these liberal judges live in a liberal world and they want people on the right assassinated.
Come on, I'm not playing stupid games anymore.
When they say to this guy, you're free to go, okay, it's not literally eight years in prison, but for attempting to kill a sitting Supreme Court justice, that's insane.
There are people who are in prison longer than that for marijuana, just having pot.
luke rudkowski
And with good behavior, it might be just four years.
unidentified
Indeed.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So this judge, Deborah Brodman, she's actually a Biden appointee.
unidentified
Indeed, she's a good idea.
luke rudkowski
And she stated how she considered the fact that the suspect now identifies as a woman as a reason to lower the sentence.
There we go.
And he might even be in a woman's prison, which would be absolutely people need to understand what time it is.
tim pool
We have two distinct identities in the United States.
The Democrats occupy the multicultural democracy, and everyone else occupies the constitutional republic.
Even default libs are constitutional republic people, just don't know it.
So they end up marching in lockstep with these weird cult.
unidentified
Sometimes.
ian crossland
A lot of them don't, though.
tim pool
Well, as of recently, there has been a sharp bifurcation with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Many entrenched themselves, solidifying their position in the cult, and many others broke away.
And I predicted this.
I could be wrong because there's data to this, but basically what I'm seeing is what I expected to happen.
That is, many default libs were shocked by the killing and are scared by it.
And so there have been prominent individuals who have been speaking out in support of Turning Point and for Charlie, despite being what you'd consider default libs.
They don't pay attention to politics.
So I'm talking about celebrities, athletes, and otherwise.
However, a decent amount of these people have gone hard at celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
So my view is, and my prediction for the next year is another, I think there's going to be a terror attack or a major assassination within the next year.
And the reason is exactly this.
The right coalition has just expanded by double digits because of the assassination of Charlie Kirk scaring people.
But default libs, many of them, entrenched themselves in the left cult.
So I'd look at it like maybe 50% are leaning right with a decent boost.
And now you've got 30, some odd percent in the left camp boosting their numbers from what was actually like 10% a decade ago to like 20 in the past several years.
These people have basically entrenched themselves in the woke ideology cult, whatever you want to call it.
That means they are going to believe there's fascists taking over.
They are going to believe, like Gavin Newsom said, there will not be an election in 2028.
And they are not going to accept Republicans winning.
With the killing of Charlie Kirk pushing a little bit of support towards the right, because it certainly didn't go the other way, the Republicans probably have an edge to win in many new locations, potentially in New Jersey.
Maybe not.
I'd estimate there's a strong probability that they actually survive the midterms, which would be shocking because usually it goes the other way.
If the Democrats are looking like they are going to lose in just shy of a year's time, I believe that the entrenched, large size of this cult is going to get extremely violent.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm concerned about false flags, like a foreign operative making it look like they're part of this liberal cult, whatever, and doing another assassination attempt.
tim pool
Because it'll break the country.
luke rudkowski
Right.
I mean, if you look at the first civil war in America, there was other countries that were involved in it.
If there's going to be another civil war, you could bet your bottom dollar, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea.
Sorry, when?
You know, when the inevitable happens, I think we're in a non-kinetic type of war, and we see that when people doubled down after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Today, I made a video and I said it was a non-kinetic?
Yeah, yeah, non-kinetic.
I would argue that it wasn't just the assassination of Charlie, but the response to it that really kind of woke people up to just how close we are to Bedlam and utter chaos in our society.
And I think it really kind of ripped off the face and the mask of the establishment.
And now people are finally seeing it to be as horrendous as it is.
So this is a make or break moment for America that is going to be a key deciding factor to see where we're going from here.
But all signs point to more trouble.
tim pool
I don't see a path away from this because the way I look at it, there are a lot of people that watch this show and watch my morning show, and I'm not right about everything.
I'm wrong about a lot.
But the predictions that I have made have been, let's just say it vaguely correct, right?
So the example that I often give is in September of 2020, I said if Trump loses in November, his supporters are going to storm the White House.
They are going to bust it down.
They are not going to accept this.
I was told that I was crazy, paranoid, et cetera.
November came and went.
Nothing happened.
And liberals made videos saying Tim Poole is crazy.
He's a conspiracy theorist.
Then January 6th happened.
These same liberals made videos saying Tim Poole had foreknowledge of January 6th.
They couldn't accept that, no, I just saw the temperature and saw what was going to happen.
catalina lauf
I wonder if the FBI did.
ian crossland
I wonder if the FBI watched your video and they're like, all right, let's use this projection to do it.
tim pool
I don't know.
The point is this.
catalina lauf
That's sick what happens.
tim pool
There is a river all around us.
We are not the biggest show in the world, nor do we reach the most people.
And while many people watch the show for a long time and have probably been saying, I think Tim is actually right about the path that we're on.
Convincing you guys doesn't change the direction of the river.
So right now, where we're at is we are cognizant of what is happening.
We have been cognizant of it for seven years, and there's little we can do to stop it.
And the point is this.
Dana White gave an interview where he said, I don't like cancel culture.
People shouldn't lose their jobs for what they're saying about Charlie Kirk.
That is the perfect example of why nothing will stop this.
Now, maybe I'm wrong because I'm only, like, I say I'm vaguely correct.
Obviously, nobody stormed the White House in November, but you get how I was kind of close to it.
Dana White gave us a great example of prominent, moderate individuals who support Trump do not understand what they are supporting.
When Dana White says we should allow people to celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk, he's saying, I'm not really involved in politics.
I'm for free speech.
A society where its most prominent business magnates and personalities defend the right to celebrate assassinations is a society headed down the path of Rwanda, which is exactly what happened when people would go on the radio and on the TV and say, other tribe, I think it was the Tootsies, right?
The other tribe are a bunch of demonic evil, and they got to be purged and killed and mocking them and laughing.
And then finally, one day, people woke up and said, okay, we're doing it, and started massacring the other tribe.
We have opened the door to civil war because we celebrated, I don't say we, but this country defended the right of people to go on social media and go on TV and defend the assassination of Brian Thompson.
Less than a year later, Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and the left is still celebrating it, sending the message that if you're a liberal and you try to kill somebody, worst case scenario, you'll get a slap on the wrist, eight years maybe if you're caught.
If you are and you go to jail, they will make sainthood candles for you.
They will celebrate you and praise you.
We recently saw a comedy show at a university where in their thank you at the portion at the end, it said Charlie Kirk's killer.
So when Dana White says this must be allowed, cancel culture is bad, he has said green light for 50 million people in this country to create an economy based on murdering your political opponents.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, it's like you want to irrigate a canal.
He's like, just open the damn floodgates.
We need the water in the canal.
Like, bro, there's a way to irrigate the canal.
Obviously, we need free speech, but you also have to be just about how you allow society to warp people's minds.
Like, but here's the thing about prediction.
And I think a lot about, are we predicting the future or are we creating the future?
Like, if I go on TV and say, there's going to be a party on Friday at that place, and there are all these people here, and they're like, oh, and then they all show up.
I just manifested a party.
I didn't even.
So if you say there's going to be a civil war, people are like, oh, oh.
And then they all show up.
tim pool
Except for the fact that the entire time, people have been largely laughing and saying it's never going to happen.
ian crossland
I just, there is a nuance between telling people, get ready and be prepared and be there.
It's sort of, so there's like a fine line.
You know, you don't want to be fake.
You don't want to say everything's going to be.
tim pool
The people who are watching the show are not going out in the streets with guns and assassinating people.
ian crossland
But other people that might be afraid of you, you know, people that hear you and they're like, really?
He thinks, okay, I'm ready.
catalina lauf
I will say from the political side of things that, yes, it does, in a way, it does embolden people when they get a slap on the wrist.
At the same time, though, I do believe that it wakes up a lot of people who have been silent.
There is a sleeping giant in this country.
We saw it in this last election, I believe, that people finally got involved.
And as a candidate and things like that, we get sometimes it's like you want people to be able to get involved into the process because so many people are not.
But now, because of everything that's been going on, all the hate that's happening, reasonably minded people on both sides of the aisle look at this.
I think there are a lot of reasonable Democrats that look at the assassination on Charlie Kirk and horrific things that happened to conservatives.
I think I want to believe, and I truly believe, and the data does show that people are waking up and there is still this sense of Americanism that, whoa, whoa, this is not who we are as Americans.
We are not the people of Rwanda.
This is, we have values and virtue in this country.
And I do believe that we are seeing the change because so many people are getting involved in the political process.
You know, I just maybe anecdotally, but I get messages all the time that are like, hey, look, I'm sick of sitting on the sidelines.
I want to help out.
I want to get involved.
I want to run for office.
I'm not afraid to speak out anymore.
And so I think for every time that we are, we're living through these really rough times.
We do all have a choice, though, of what our country, what do we want the country to look like?
This is still our country at the end of the day.
And there is still a lot of Americanism there that I think is the guiding light to the future.
luke rudkowski
Do you think there's an off-ramp?
And what's the off-ramp to the kind of collision course that we are in now?
catalina lauf
I think I'm more, maybe I'm an idealist.
I'm a little bit more optimistic.
I do, look, our country has gone through so many more hard times.
You look at the Civil War.
You look at World War II.
Like, we, yes, we have lived in our own gilded age in a sense.
We're now seeing chaos and all that.
However, our country has survived tremendous trials.
And how we survived them were moments like this where we all did come together and we did revive of what it meant, the revival of what it meant to be an American.
And I do believe, I still believe that everybody, even on our worst day, we are still the greatest country in the world and we will turn this around.
But it takes everybody to get involved.
It takes people to stop sipping on their Starbucks lattes and just pretending like everything's fine.
You have to get involved.
And I always say this, it will become personal to everybody.
If it hasn't become personal to you yet, it will become personal.
Whether that is the transgender movement or whether it's illegal immigration, all these policy issues that this enemy within has created in our country, one day it will get personal to people.
And when it gets personal to enough people, are enough people going to stand up and say, this is not what we're going to do anymore.
luke rudkowski
So no, we're screwed.
tate brown
Well, yeah, because it's like, I do agree.
We've been through some tough times as a country, but I think the problem was in the 60s and 70s, like you mentioned, with Weather Underground and this sort of leftist paramilitaries that we saw.
So we never actually sufficiently beat them.
I mean, you saw like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dorn like advising like, you know, modern liberals and these sorts of things, the Obamas.
And so it's like, I agree, but it's part of the problem we're dealing with now is that we never actually sort of successfully put these people away when we had the chance, you know, 50 years ago.
And now we're having to deal with it again.
And now, I mean, like, to Tim's point, we're going into a midterms that look like it's going to be favorable for the Republicans.
They're losing access to a lot of funding.
So they're back into a corner.
So it's not even a prediction.
It's just math.
tim pool
Prediction markets still favor Democrats.
tate brown
Sure.
tim pool
But we'll see involved.
tate brown
Fable as far as holding on to some degree.
So they feel demoralized.
They feel back into a corner.
tim pool
The prediction market says Democrats are going to take the majority of the House.
But that happens every time.
catalina lauf
The only way that happens, though, we have such a slim majority.
And this is why everybody who's listening has to get involved because we have such a slim majority.
If the Democrats do win, we will not be able to pass anything from the Trump agenda, which has been remarkably better than obviously the Biden administration.
But the reason for that is because normally in these off-cycle years, Republicans, the people who we rely on, sometimes unfortunately don't come out.
And so it costs a ton of money to get people to get out and vote because sometimes we become complacent.
I don't think that that's going to be the case this now, especially after everything that's been going on.
There has been, this was a mandate that happened with the reelection of President Trump.
So much bad happened prior to that that I think people now understood the cost and the consequences of not waking up.
And so I think that we are going to take the House back, but it takes, again, the silent majority to get up, to knock doors, to volunteer, to contribute.
Everybody has a skill set or everybody has a role in this movement to make sure that we do win the house.
Keep the house.
ian crossland
Is that where you're running?
Like what got you running right now in Florida?
tim pool
Yes, I am.
ian crossland
What happened?
How'd you get started?
catalina lauf
So I have obviously been in politics for quite some time now.
And my original inspiration, I always say, was AOC because I look at somebody like that and I looked at how there weren't enough people on the Republican side speaking out against women like her and these young women who were completely manipulating so many minds, especially of the younger generation.
And I'm like, why don't we have a counter voice to a lot of these people?
And so I was honored to be able to get a lot of support in my candidacy.
And now that we're running in Florida, people are really fed up.
They want people who actually care about them.
And we have, even on both sides of the aisle, we've had people in Congress who are not working for the people.
You know, you see it, unfortunately, sometimes on the Republican side.
And it's time that we bring back servant leadership.
It's time we bring back a representative democracy, which is what we were founded upon.
Your congressperson is supposed to care about you.
They are supposed to be a lion for your values and a voice in Washington for you.
And so for so long, people have been fed up about that.
ian crossland
I feel like Thomas Massey is doing that, but it's like when you have 700,000 people that you have to represent, can that even function?
Like, I represent me.
I can't really represent Tate because he's too awesome.
And I don't know what he's thinking at night.
You know, I can't get into your brains, people.
I don't want to.
We shouldn't be brain tapping each other.
luke rudkowski
So where do you stand on the Thomas Massey issue?
Are you with Massey or are you against Massey?
catalina lauf
You know, ultimately, it's up for his constituency to decide.
That's not for, you know, I do agree with some of what in the past, especially, but I'm a little bit more pragmatic when it comes to everything that's going on from a political perspective.
You know, there are a lot of quote-unquote hills to die on in politics.
And sometimes it's better that we do remain united as a party in a lot of ways, because when you break out into these factions, which is what Republicans sometimes do because we're just more individualist thinking, you know, the left always stays together.
They mass organize.
They're unified all the time.
I'm not saying that we should, you know, be like them.
However, I am saying that we have to be, we need to be a party that is on the same page.
If we are not, if we are divided as a party, then that allows the subversion of the Democrats to be able to, A, infiltrate our party, but also to then be the stronger, to then rebuild and be strong.
And then they do what they do.
And so I think ultimately it's up to his constituency to decide on how they feel.
And that's how ultimately it should play out.
ian crossland
I feel like with the Epstein style, he's going hard on release the Epstein files that he thinks this is what my people want.
I don't care about the Republican Party.
I don't care about the federal government.
I'm representing 700,000 people.
They want the files.
So I'm going to vote to do it.
And it's like, it does kind of break away from the party in some ways because a lot of people are like, hey, I think we're using this data as blackmail against the deep state right now.
Don't unleash.
That's what Alex Jones said last night.
Let's not unleash it because we're using it.
But like he's adhering to this people.
And the people aren't all on the same page.
People in Kentucky are different than people in Florida and Colorado or wherever you're coming from.
Anyway, I guess to tap it off, I get concerned about people marching in lockstep, but I understand your point that if you don't, someone else might.
catalina lauf
Yeah, look, at the end of the day, you have to always be, as a representative, you have to do what you're there because of the people.
You don't send somebody to Washington because, oh, well, this is the way I feel about something, which is unfortunately, we have too many narcissistic politicians that go to Washington.
They not only not vote for what their constituency wants, they also are sitting there insider trading, doing whatever they want.
They never get, you know, they're never held accountable because they always get re-elected.
Whatever that might be, at the end of the day, you should do what matters for your district.
Right now, the economy is huge.
Thank God we have President Trump turning things around from an economic perspective.
The border crisis was, I mean, everything that was happening in our country was destroying it.
And Biden did destroy our country in such a short amount of time.
We're now trying to reverse that in the Trump administration.
And so ultimately, to your point, we have to be in lockstep from the president.
I think he is the commander in chief.
He was historically re-elected.
We need to be delivering on his agenda, which is what the people historically, from a mandate perspective, voted for.
luke rudkowski
So if Massey's order comes down to release the Epstein list, where do you vote on that?
catalina lauf
I would, first of all, I would appreciate that what someone like Massey should do and what I think what most representatives should do, why don't you take a poll of what matters in your district?
Why don't you take a poll for what your constituency wants?
unidentified
And so ultimately on the petition.
tim pool
It's kind of hard to organize a scientific poll that will reach enough people in time when these things get introduced.
Like we know that Massey has been working on it for a while, so it does make sense to be like, oh, I'm going to set up a poll on my district.
But sometimes you might get something that could move through in like a week.
Some big political thing happens, and they say we're going to draft a bill on this, get it introduced by next week.
It should be done.
You're not going to be able to organize any meaningful poll.
And any poll that you organize would easily be exploited by people who want to trick you into voting the wrong way.
catalina lauf
Well, and most policies, though, let's not forget, are not clean bills.
I mean, half of this stuff, you have stacks of paper, to your point, you have to read over, you know, 10 hours, but it's not really straightforward.
tim pool
Have you read through Massey's Massey?
catalina lauf
I haven't actually.
tim pool
Massey and Rokana, I think.
catalina lauf
No, I haven't.
tim pool
I think it's pretty good.
The initial bill that was put forward by Rokana, I heavily criticized because it would require the release of all the evidence, which includes videos of children.
And so I said, this is a trap.
Democrats put forward something they know Republicans can't vote on.
Roe Conna then, I interviewed him and he said, okay, you're right about that.
That was not my intention.
I appreciate you bringing that up.
I appreciate that you brought it up.
We're going to change it.
So he and Massey got together and they drafted a very, very simple, I think it's like two pages, very clean.
Release what of the Epstein's information that you can without exposing any ongoing investigations, evidence, you know, that would depict children and women being trafficked.
So I think his bill actually looks pretty good.
Trump has not given us a real reason as to why he does not want it released.
So were I to be in Congress, I would vote for it to be released.
unidentified
What about you?
luke rudkowski
Yes or no?
catalina lauf
I'd like to look at the bill.
unidentified
I'm not going to comment on anything until I've seen the actual bill because if you have an option to release the Epstein list, but Trump tells you no, what do you do?
catalina lauf
I'm not going to, I mean, I haven't seen this bill.
So I don't know.
tim pool
Just in general, like, would you release the Epstein files in a way that made sense to you, even if Trump didn't want you to?
catalina lauf
I think it matters of what your people want.
You're not sitting there.
I think sometimes there's so much sensationalism that happens in politics.
And ultimately, like, why don't we, if the constituency wants something to be passed when it comes to economics, the border, things that the kitchen table issues, why are we focused?
Why don't we focus on that instead of, at the end of the day, trying to be sensationalists?
And I'm not saying that this particular situation is sensationalist.
However, from overwhelming conversations on the ground, I will tell you the majority of people are focusing on how they can feed their families, why they can't afford homes, what's going on in our district when it comes to hurricanes.
Those are things that really matter to the constituency and set up some of these people that look at Twitter and things like that.
And I'm not saying, I'm not minimizing it.
luke rudkowski
I'm just saying.
But you have to vote when you're in constitution.
catalina lauf
Of course I do.
tim pool
Of course I do.
Present.
Or you don't show up, right?
But the issue is that Trump has handled this so miserably that it's actually inflamed the issue.
There was, and Dan Bongino and Cash and Pam have handled this miserably.
And I consider them, Cash and Dan, to be, well, Cash is a friend.
Dan, I know a little bit.
He's a good dude.
I respect them.
They're friends of the show.
They've handled this so poorly, they have made it an issue.
And I wonder why that is.
And then Donald Trump says it's a hoax.
I don't know why that is.
And now I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm not playing any games.
This is weird.
Dan Bongino could have come out and said one very simple thing that would have made this, put the story to rest like that.
If he looked into the camera and he said, guys, we're working on this Epstein investigation.
You can trust me on this one.
It may take some time, but we're going to get to the bottom of this one.
Please, just be patient.
Story gone.
Instead, they come out and they're like, there's nothing here.
It never happened.
Donald Trump comes out.
It's a hoax.
And now we're all going, does he want this to be the biggest trending story in the world?
Because this don't make sense.
luke rudkowski
No blackmail.
He totally took his own life.
Nothing to see here.
Don't talk about it.
You're a weakling if you do, which is just absolutely absurd.
tim pool
I'm like, anybody who sat down for 10 seconds of marketing 101 would have been like, here's what you do.
Say, if you want to make this the biggest trending story, say this.
And then they went, you got it.
Went on on TV and said everything they said.
luke rudkowski
I think there's a lot of internal pressure from the intel agencies telling them you're not going to talk about this.
And that's it.
And I think that really shows us the true structure of power in Washington, D.C., because it also highlights how it's not just Trump who's in charge here.
Someone clearly elsewhere is.
Trump previously helped out the victims.
tim pool
I disagree.
There's been some actual reporting behind the scenes that the issue is, and I think this makes the most sense because this is what I was arguing beforehand.
It's not so much that he's using this against the deep state or whatever.
That's wishful thing and mega side.
luke rudkowski
But even if he is, that's evil.
tim pool
But it's not what he's doing.
What it is, is that, as we already saw with the news saying that Elon Musk was named in it, it's bad for the stock of these companies to even have your name in any way in it, even if it passively mentions your name.
There are people who associate with Epstein but didn't go to the island who are going to be named in these documents as having traveled with Epstein or partied with him.
And Trump, my understanding is the reporting was Trump said it's going to hurt a lot of people.
A lot of people are going to get hurt who didn't do anything wrong.
And that's why he doesn't want to put it out.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but we have discernment as American citizens.
And if you're associated and if you actually did horrible things, you should be held accountable, especially when you do them to children.
And this precedent of saying, yeah, you could hurt children, but if you're powerful enough, we'll let you get away with this.
tim pool
That's not what we said.
The reporting behind the scenes is that there are people like Elon Musk, who was reportedly named in the Epstein files.
luke rudkowski
Why?
tim pool
Because at some point he crossed path at a party with Epstein.
The argument is the files are going to come out.
It's not going to expose who you want it to, but it's going to have names in it of people who have worked in some way with Epstein or financed him.
Unbeknownst to them, he was doing these things.
That's the argument.
luke rudkowski
Well, I think it's null and void because the documents have already been released that Elon's in there, Peter Thiel's in there.
But there's also, as Elon said specifically, major left-wing backers.
We're talking about Bill Gates.
We're talking about Bill Clinton being on the plane that children are being hurt in the back, which Bongino was talking about years ago.
tim pool
Why I'm in favor, and I would agree with Massey and say we should vote to release these things.
And I put the responsibility on Trump and his team for failing this miserably.
catalina lauf
Do you think that was right, though, from the media perspective to include Elon in that particular article that they did, where he specifically fought back and said, this is ridiculous.
They tried to paint him as the villain of this story when that wasn't the reality.
luke rudkowski
So I talked about this latest release, and it was heavily biased against Republicans.
And I said, this is why Trump needs to release it because the Democrats picked out Steve Bannon.
They picked out Peter Thiel.
They picked out Elon Musk.
Those people should have some answers.
But there's other people that were also involved here that are major Democratic donors, major big players.
And for some reason, we're protecting Bill Clinton, who, according now to two sources, knew children were being hurt and was there and was an accomplice to the crime.
Why protect Bill Clinton?
tim pool
It's completely obvious.
The Epstein files are going to implicate people that are important to Donald Trump for whatever reason.
He doesn't care if they did good, bad, or otherwise.
The right wants to win a war against the Democrats.
Trump doesn't want to allow them in any way to gain power.
And I got to be honest, I'm terrified of them gaining power.
I'm in favor of releasing these documents.
But again, Trump is saying nothing to see here because he wants power and doesn't want Democrats to get him to do it.
luke rudkowski
But he's losing so much political capital and power by doing so.
unidentified
Yes, he is.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
He is.
tim pool
No one else cares.
luke rudkowski
This will affect midterms, in my opinion.
unidentified
It will.
tim pool
I doubt it.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of people that are libertarians that never voted in this last election.
They only voted for him that were in the middle because he came out and his staff came out and said, we're going to release everything.
tate brown
Barely anyone's talked about Epstein's.
catalina lauf
This is crazy.
Yeah, because you guys are, you're completely, you're completely discounting the fact that the average American person, again, we have huge crises that were happening that were now being solved by this administration.
When you have a family that couldn't afford groceries, you have seniors on fixed income, you have families whose children have been killed by illegal immigrants.
There are things that are not affected.
luke rudkowski
There's children being hurt and abused in the thousands.
tim pool
And the person does not live in this world.
But it's not a problem.
luke rudkowski
So you're saying someone has a hard time with Bill Sow, so thousands of children have been able to do it.
catalina lauf
That's not what I'm saying.
There's so much story.
tim pool
Kathy with a Kathy Newman, so you're saying argument?
No.
I'm saying we should have these documents released.
Trump has botched this miserably.
However, the obvious reason why Trump is withholding them is because he wants to maximize political power by any means to go up against the deep state.
luke rudkowski
I disagree with that.
I think that's an assertion.
I think that's very favorable.
tim pool
I disagree with what I'm saying.
luke rudkowski
I think that's very favorable thinking.
I think that's giving him the benefit of the doubt.
That's giving him favorable thinking.
unidentified
He could change.
He could change the political landscape of this president.
luke rudkowski
Yes, because the Pedoes haven't been held accountable.
Because there's Pedos who hurt children who are still out there.
tim pool
Why does that benefit Trump?
luke rudkowski
That the Pedoes are still out there.
tim pool
I have no fucking clue.
Because he gets stuff from them.
Because they give him money.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I'm not sure if he's not.
tim pool
Because he uses that.
Because he wants to defeat the deep state and doesn't care what evil things he does to get it.
luke rudkowski
Well, now you're making an argument that it's okay that children were hurt here for a while.
tim pool
You're making an argument that it's okay.
luke rudkowski
What are you talking about?
I'm just released.
tim pool
I'm saying the obvious motivation that Trump has as administration is he doesn't want these people to get back in power.
He doesn't want to go to prison.
He doesn't want his friends and lawyers to go to prison.
And he doesn't care how he wins.
When you are talking about war, they say all is fair and love and war.
And so there's a simple motivation.
Trump says there's a lot of powerful people in there who are going to get hurt by this.
And what does that mean?
It means he's probably getting something from them in some capacity, donations, resources, or otherwise, and he wants to use that.
And whatever that means.
Or at bare minimum, he fears that if it's released, it'll cause damage to someone like Bill Gates, who may actually do something that benefits him.
ian crossland
I wonder if when he went to Ghelane in prison and he was like, okay, first she came out and said Trump never did anything on Torr, and then they moved her to minimum security.
I wonder if she gave him the other part of the puzzle so now he has all the info for the blackmail.
luke rudkowski
Favorable treatment for Ghillen Maxwell also is a very bad look here, okay?
Editing the footage, also a very bad look here.
Lying to the American people, treating us like we're stupid is a very bad look here.
If that's the actual case here, they should just say it.
It's like, listen, this country's running on blackmail.
This is what's happening here.
And they used it against us, so we're going to use it.
tim pool
Let me ask you that.
luke rudkowski
So that's what should have been said here.
tim pool
Do you believe that there is a current political war between the left and the right?
Of course.
luke rudkowski
And an intel agency war as well that also has them involved.
What do you think will happen if they're not going to be able to do that thrive off of blackmail?
What's going to happen?
tim pool
What do you think will happen if Democrats win back power?
luke rudkowski
They're going to do what they always did.
what um they're going to they're not going to win the presidency No, no, no.
tim pool
I'm saying that.
catalina lauf
Why wasn't it released?
tim pool
Let me ask the question.
What happens when they win Congress, when they win the House, the Senate, and the presidency?
luke rudkowski
What will they do?
Probably I was going to make an argument about Ukraine, but Trump's already kind of being egregious about Ukraine.
tim pool
They're true.
luke rudkowski
So what are they going to do?
Try to implement socialism.
tim pool
They're going to open the border to 20 to 40 million more illegal immigrants.
They're going to finalize the criminal charges against Trump, which are still pending, arrest him and put him in prison.
They're going to go after his lawyers.
They're going to arrest Bannon.
They are going to go after everyone like they did the J Sixers.
They have shown us that they are capable, willing, and they will do it.
This is not a defense of Trump's handling of the Epstein files because my position is Massey and Rocana are correct in doing this.
I also, however, recognize the underlying motivation that Trump has in almost everything he does is to make sure that he defeats the Democrats and they never regain power.
Hence, mass deportations and instructing his DOJ to go after these ballot harvesting schemes and mail-in ballots.
If we defeat them there, they will not regain power in this current form.
Democrats may win in the future if their party changes and they actually start getting rid of the lawfare.
But I believe, based on what we've already seen, like the arrest of Steve Bannon, like the arrest of Trump's lawyers in multiple states, the false criminal charges, the false rape civil case, the false fraud case in New York, the raid on his home, the 20-year sentences for Proud Boys who weren't even in D.C. at the time.
If Democrats win again, they will do everything to destroy you and me and everyone else.
So that being said, Trump has mishandled this.
And by his mishandling and Dan and Cash and Pam, there is no other position but, sorry, guys, Rokana, Massey, roll.
ian crossland
Well, I just passed it.
This position of you have to blackmail, so let's use it.
I mean, I understand that position.
tim pool
That's not necessarily what he's doing.
I think a lot of people make that argument, and it's entirely possible.
I'm giving a much more simple argument in that collateral damage will hit powerful business magnates that provide resources to Republicans in some way.
luke rudkowski
If you deserve to fail because of your associations to predators and your association to hurting children and going to islands where children were hurt, you deserve to fail.
tim pool
I don't think that's what I'm saying.
luke rudkowski
And I think those institutions need to fail.
Those institutions need to be held accountable.
And guess what?
The economy is going to be.
The economy is already a Ponzi.
tim pool
I don't care about the economy.
Let me ask you this.
Do you think any top-level Democrats were involved in child trafficking?
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
tim pool
Do you think they will increase that when they win again?
luke rudkowski
What do you mean, increase?
tim pool
Do you think they will bring back Epstein Island once they're back in power?
luke rudkowski
There's probably already a second one already.
tim pool
And who do you think is running it?
luke rudkowski
The CIA.
tim pool
Do you think when these people have the law behind them again, it will get worse?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Welcome to war.
There is no easy answer.
luke rudkowski
Of course.
tim pool
We know that if they get power, it's going to go 100 fold because we know that they were trafficking kids at the border and Trump put a stop to this.
It is not easy.
catalina lauf
Yeah, Luke, why aren't you more passionate about the thousands of little kids that get sex trafficked and labor trafficked on the southern border?
Complete silence about everything that happened in the invasion.
luke rudkowski
There was no complete silence.
I was actually talking about that.
catalina lauf
Okay, but then how come, well, why isn't the focus also on the horrific things that happen?
unidentified
And this, I will say, that doesn't excuse thousands of children being put on islands and hurt here.
luke rudkowski
That doesn't excuse that, right?
catalina lauf
But it is very sensational.
tim pool
That's a trolley problem question for you.
You have a government that is not currently trafficking children.
They have evidence that some people did.
And it's hypothetical.
I'm not saying it's literally what's happening.
If the evidence is released, that political party loses power to sex traffickers.
Those sex traffickers will get into office and then traffic children.
Is that preferable for you?
luke rudkowski
I don't think that's going to happen.
I don't think that's a problem.
tim pool
That's the question, Luke.
It's called a conditional hypothetical.
Can you answer it?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, if you give me that hypothetical score, I guess, but I don't think it's probable at all.
I don't think that's a realistic question.
I think exposing the predators in our society who are still out there walking in the streets hurting more children now as we speak because they have the means and the ways and the money and the influence to do so.
And we excuse that as a country, is something that, of course, we voted against this last election.
We were promised justice.
We were promised that we were going to actually hold these powerful people accountable who pull the strings in Washington, D.C., that they were finally going to have a reckoning because we're going to stop them from being lawless, right?
We were going to say we're going to be a country of law and order, right?
tim pool
So you're taking the deontological position.
It doesn't matter if a million people die based on your actions, if your actions save one person.
That's the deontological approach.
luke rudkowski
You're playing all this hypothetical.
No, it's called scenarios.
You're saying if we release the Epstein list, Democrats are going to win.
tim pool
I'm saying that.
What would your position be?
luke rudkowski
What was the hypothetical again?
tim pool
This is a classic trolley problem.
Right now, the reporting that we have is that Trump doesn't want to damage his resources behind the scene by exposing them in the Epstein files.
We don't know that that's the case.
So once again, I am in favor of Thomas Massey and Rocano's resolution to release it because Trump and his team have mishandled this.
And I'm not saying it is definitive that this keeps Trump in office.
I am bringing up the point that you have an absolutist approach where you're saying it doesn't matter what happens, do it anyway.
luke rudkowski
Yes, because of how egregious all the crimes are.
tim pool
If you pull the trolley lever, you will kill a million people.
And if you leave it where it is, you kill one.
luke rudkowski
Yes, but that's not related to reasoning.
You're saying pull the lever.
I'm saying pull the lever where we actually have a government that represents us.
And is it run on blackmail, which we deserve?
Let's have a government.
tim pool
I actually think right now, for the most part, we don't.
I think the Trump administration winning has routed the deep state in numerous ways.
And it's exemplified every day in the action, especially with Comey being indicted and the pardons of Jay Sixers.
And don't forget, every day, Cash and Dan are locking up predators, and it's one of their biggest focus.
It's a big focus of theirs that the Democrats didn't have.
luke rudkowski
One of the reasons why a lot of people have these Charlie conspiracy theories is because the FBI has lost all trust and legitimacy.
And they're saying the FBI lied to us about Epstein.
They're probably lying to us about Charlie right now.
tim pool
Agreed.
luke rudkowski
So they're spreading the theory.
tim pool
We all agree now that they've mishandled the Epstein.
catalina lauf
All of this, though, we have to also remember that that sentiment from the American people didn't start in the last four years or whatever.
Like, this has been a long time.
Look at JFK.
I mean, this, and that's fine to ask questions.
I don't, you know, I don't want to live in this world where you can't ask questions and you can't be passionate about what you believe and all this stuff.
But at the same time, so that sentiment didn't happen, you know, over the last just because of this FBI and this administration.
This stuff has been going on, if not worse.
Like, I actually, I trust these guys, I trust these guys.
Like, I trust my president.
I trust this FBI and doing what they need to be doing.
luke rudkowski
Do you think they told you the truth about the Epstein list?
catalina lauf
I think that we tell you the truth?
It's not as simple.
But you're talking about legislation.
You're talking about.
luke rudkowski
No, I'm asking you a question.
catalina lauf
When Trump says it's a Democratic coach, there's so much more to the entire story that we here at this table, we are not privy to.
tim pool
It's not a Democrat hoax.
He doesn't not handle this.
tate brown
Yeah, and I think like Trump is also just, he gets really frustrated with people that aren't trusting the plan.
I know it sounds like a little cliche, but it's true.
And to be fair, to Trump's point, is after the Epstein thing was completely botched, which I mean, I'm a Trump guy.
I'm fully willing to admit, it was not handled very well.
Polling didn't really budge.
Like, the vast majority of Americans are not online.
They're watching Fox News.
If you watch Fox News, that's why Bondi and Trump are so confused over why there's a segment of the right.
luke rudkowski
But the middle of America that doesn't, that isn't political sees this.
unidentified
And I think if they did, you would see it in the polling.
tim pool
You live in anarcho-libertarian Bitcoin world.
We've gone over the polling on the show like 700 times.
luke rudkowski
I live in Miami.
That's where I live.
Okay, Coin World.
And I see a portion of the voter base that decided to vote for the first time.
And that base, and a lot of Americans, even Americans that aren't politically inclined, have been talking about this.
And this is an issue.
And this is an issue that's very important for a lot of people.
tim pool
But it's not important enough for any major pollster to actually consider in a campaign.
luke rudkowski
Who's doing all the pollsters?
People who have still landlined and are picking up the phone.
tim pool
You are completely wrong about this.
I'm talking about his team.
I'm talking about his consultants, people like Charlie Kirk, what he was doing.
And I'm talking about people like Alex Brusowitz.
luke rudkowski
Charlie Kirk behind the scenes was saying release the Epstein list.
tim pool
And I agree with that.
My point is, this is not a principal issue for Americans.
And the polling shows that they mostly don't know what it is.
luke rudkowski
Why was Charlie Kirk then behind the scenes trying to work with Donald Trump to release the list, right?
He saw this as an important issue because the young people did believe that this is a very important thing.
tim pool
This is an exaggeration, Luke.
catalina lauf
I think when it comes to Congress and things like that, I think your constituents, their will should matter with something like this.
So I don't know about the influencer world and all this stuff.
If people are working behind the scenes, I think ultimately, when it comes to like legislation and things like that, again, if it's something that your people are asking about and all that, that, then, okay.
And then you have conversations, but you don't just sit there and look at what Twitter is saying.
And there's a lot of BS out there.
And I'm not saying that this situation is entirely BS, but there's a lot out there that a lot of it is driven by sensationalism.
And by the way, the Democrats love this.
They love when this happens.
luke rudkowski
We got to jump to the next step.
Just really quick, release their list or not.
catalina lauf
Yes, I'm not going to.
You're trying.
unidentified
I'm not going to get a call to that.
catalina lauf
I'm not going to fall for that.
This is stupid, like trying to gotcha question.
I'm not going to.
It's just.
ian crossland
I've come to think like I trust cash to lie about the right things.
And sometimes you use evil to create order.
And that's how the world has always been.
And sometimes you just do it.
tim pool
I mean, if, you know, I think the only answer you could actually have is, I'm not sure.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Because not giving an answer, people are going to accuse you of running, you know, sniffing Trump's ass or whatever.
But if the honest answer is, honestly, I'm going to take a look at the money.
catalina lauf
I would want to see what the people, my constituency, would want.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If I got to move, we're going to jump to the next story instead of arguing all day.
Oh, we sit there from theblaze.com.
China behind massive nationwide Sim Farm, Sim Farm Network that directly threatens American critical infrastructure.
And lo, they were attacking me personally.
luke rudkowski
You're in the story.
tim pool
China launched an international attack on critical American infrastructure and personalities, which included me.
This is pretty crazy.
This is wild.
So the discovery of Sim Farms that threatens cellular networks in New York City is only the tip of the massive nationwide network run by Chinese communist government that poses an immediate threat to critical infrastructure and has led to terrorist attacks, including hoax SWAT raids at the homes of national leaders.
Blaze News has learned.
So DHS located this.
Look at this.
There's tons of them.
Check this out.
They say this is absolutely an act of war, according to a top intelligence official speaking with Blaze News, a direct threat to our nation and needs to be shut down today like ASAP.
Only five of them have been taken down so far.
Let me just read let me find where in the article.
luke rudkowski
So this was the fake cell towers that were used to do the SWATs.
Is that correct?
tim pool
This is what they're reporting.
And let me jump to the portion.
It says, recently, these sim farms are believed to be responsible for dozens of hoax SWAT raids, including a senior U.S. Secret Service official, FBI Director Cash Patel, members of Congress, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, and media influencers such as Tim Poole and Steve Bannon.
Well then, what do I get?
Do I win a prize?
Is the federal government going to give me a cookie?
ian crossland
You are the tip of the spear.
Congratulations.
luke rudkowski
You get a Chinese fortune cookie.
tim pool
Welcome to the future.
Yeah, I have to wonder, too, with a lot of the threats that we get.
Because as I mentioned, recently I've been in direct contact with the FBI, like actual over the threats we've been receiving because they've ramped up substantially.
And one question has always been: are these actually foreign state actors?
And my argument in response to this story is two things.
Yes, I believe them when they say China is behind this.
However, we also have evidence that not all of the SWATs were from the same source.
And we do have evidence, and we've submitted this to the FBI in the previous administration, that it likely came from a leftist.
And I have evidence that I can't speak publicly about.
It would compromise any investigation.
But we have evidence.
Additionally, when we get these death threats, and then you go online and see the people saying them in videos, we know it's Americans doing it.
So I do believe that there are foreign actors that are trying to fan the flames by sending us death threats and launching these hoax SWAT raids.
We also know for a fact some of it is coming from leftists.
luke rudkowski
How do we know that it's China?
I know we're getting some of the reporting here, but I haven't seen any kind of.
tim pool
Because they have a source at DHS, numerous, that have confirmed to them, and that's what they're reporting is based on.
So if you trust the Blaze, then you can believe it.
And if you don't, then you don't believe it.
unidentified
If you trust DHS, I trust DHS.
ian crossland
China's a good boogie, man.
But I'm not saying that it wasn't China.
tim pool
It's crazy to say, but there are people in this administration that I have known for years, and I don't think they're lying to me.
ian crossland
You know, it is the kind of thing where if an actual American did a SWAT and then, you know, Chinese are watching this right now.
They're tapped to show.
They love it.
Probably a bunch of them love it.
What's up, guys?
I'll be in China soon.
That's my plan.
That they're like, ooh, let's copycat.
Let's make Tim or whoever think that.
luke rudkowski
They're going to harvest Ian's organs.
We're never going to see him again.
ian crossland
I'm going to meditate in the mountains, baby.
We're going to make videos about it.
Beautiful western mountains of the ancient Shu Empire.
I'm there with you.
It's easy to copycat.
So you get one crime in America and then foreign actors are like, let's replicate that and make them think that it's coming from within, psych them out, you know, get them to turn on each other.
catalina lauf
100%.
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's so important that we hold it together.
I think because of this and things like this, it's so important that we as Americans keep cohesion.
catalina lauf
The more that we are divided, whether it's politics, culture, whatever it is, you're allowing an open door for the enemy within and without to completely take their chance.
And that's been, that's historically been the cycle.
And that's why it's so important that to your point, we do remain united and we do uncover these things when they happen.
But it's important that we don't show that we're, you know, everything that's going on, the weakness, you know, sometimes is caused by, again, the media, unfortunate circumstances, like horrific circumstances that are done by horrific people.
But at the end of the day, what we can control is to remain united as much as possible.
tate brown
Yeah, well, I think people, like Americans are, Americans with the right are really burnt out with foreign entanglements.
They hear the GOP, they're, you know, these swamp creatures like banging on and on about the CCP.
So they kind of roll their eyes and say, okay, this is a boogeyman.
But like legitimately is.
I mean, this story is a good example of like, no, they actually are our leading global adversary.
Yes, they are trying to undermine our country.
Yes, they are threatened by the Trump administration's efficiency and their ability to sort of show strength globally.
So it's like, yeah, I understand.
I see a lot of people typically, they kind of just roll their eyes at the CCP dooming or they kind of hand wave it away.
But they are legitimately, and they're, I mean, this story proves they're, they're, they have a lot of, they're making a lot of plays in the United States.
ian crossland
Well, it technically doesn't prove it.
It is evidence because the claims themselves aren't proved.
tate brown
You know, but you know, if this, if this reporting is true, it just adds to the list of ways the CCP is actively meddling in the United States.
luke rudkowski
Well, the story that I'm reading is talking about how they were bot farmers, how they could have capabilities to send out 30 million texts per minute under the type of equipment that they had.
They had more than 100,000 SIM cards that were also seized.
And I think there's a lot more to this.
And automatically, I would love to see some evidence highlighting how China was involved here because I think there's a possibility for a false flag potential too, especially with how just angry the intelligence agencies have been within the last few years, especially under the Biden administration, against independent media, against content creators.
And they have acted against them like we saw with what happened at Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, and James O'Keefe.
So I wouldn't be surprised if the swatting actually came from inside the house and that China's just being blamed right now for it, personally.
ian crossland
You said how many texts per minute?
600 million texts per minute?
luke rudkowski
30 million.
ian crossland
30 million texts per minute.
This is industrialized psychological warfare.
We've come to that age now with first computation, electrical computation, now artificial intelligence.
Like the machine gun was industrialized warfare.
You churn men into the grinder.
That started in the early 90s.
Now we're seeing this rapid psychological manipulation that's inconceivable.
30 million texts per minute.
What human can keep up with that?
How do you even know what's real and what's not?
And that's the point.
That's the point of it a lot of times.
tate brown
Yeah, it's definitely not past the CCP to be bot farming.
I mean, there was, I think it was during, during, it was like right before, right during COVID, when Twitter removed like tens of thousands of profiles that were just spamming like pro-CCP stuff all the time.
And it's like, I mean, yeah, you saw it, you saw a lot of it during COVID, was a lot of, I guess, disinformation, which is a bit cringe, but I guess all this to say, it's really not past the CCP to be bot farming.
And I think in this article, it said that this specific battery farming has been going on since like 04.
ian crossland
I think every government should be bot farming.
I mean, it's a psychological war.
You have to have some control over the media narrative as a nation.
I hope we all, I hope the America's got a great one, too.
And like you saw, Israel now wants to buy TikTok.
I'm not sure if that purchase went through.
It comes from China.
America's like, stomp it down and then Israel's going to buy it.
luke rudkowski
What's that Israel?
It's Larry Ellison.
ian crossland
Okay, head of Oracle, second richest man in the United States, worth $450 billion, roughly.
I know he's in the pocket, not in the pocket, but he's tight with Trump, Larry Ellison.
Is he tight with the Israelis?
Why did Israel?
Okay, so he is tight with Israel.
I mean, the Israeli-American psych connection is very tight.
And you saw that with Ghylaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, allegedly or provably working with Mossad.
Like, no one's thinking we're not super tight with Israeli intelligence.
It's the five eyes.
I don't know how involved Israel is with the five eyes, but so I don't know why I brought it up.
That's more of a problem.
catalina lauf
Can we talk about how the CCP was using Venezuelan passports to illegally enter our country?
And why wasn't like, can that be more investigated?
Can we find out what type of bad actors were coming into our country because of a border invasion?
I mean, there's so much stuff here that happened under the Biden administration, complete subversion, all these little nuances.
I hope every single thing is investigated.
Yes, that's very sophisticated.
What's happening here and to Tim and these influencers and members and things like that is very sophisticated.
But what also was going on and what is already in our country?
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, it's just nice that Trump doesn't even need a bot farm.
He just has like a bunch of sensitive young patriots just posting nonstop.
I mean, look at DHS, like that guy.
He's not even getting paid right now.
The government's shutting down.
He's just letting it fly.
It's like, we don't even need the bot farm.
We just got how long.
tim pool
How sad is it that Netanyahu needs $7,000 to do that?
tate brown
Real.
tim pool
Donald Trump can be like, post for me.
And everyone's like, yeah.
And then Netanyahu's like, we'll give you $7,000.
unidentified
Perfect.
I want you to call it a lot of people.
luke rudkowski
Which is wild.
tate brown
I want you to call Gavin Newsome gay.
Everyone posted right now.
tim pool
They'll do it.
And be like, let's post a sombrero meme and everyone just goes sombrero nuts.
luke rudkowski
It's crazy how many people are for hire in this industry.
I think there should be a label.
There should be something on Twitter that says, hey, I've taken money to shield for this country.
And why haven't those rules been followed with this particular case here?
I don't understand.
People like to talk about Qatari money, but Israeli money is there too, clearly.
So it needs to be exposed so we could actually get to the bottom of who's financing and trying to, of course.
What did the Democrats say the Russians were doing when Trump was running for the presidency for the first time?
What were they doing?
tim pool
Well, that Trump worked for Russia.
luke rudkowski
You don't know, but they said Russia was meddling in our political system.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
catalina lauf
Really, it was Obama.
ian crossland
You mentioned Venezuela, Caroline, earlier.
Did you guys see that the Trump administration just blew up the fourth Venezuelan boat, allegedly?
They called them terrorists.
They were alleged terrorists to my knowledge, but they just hit it.
No congressional.
tim pool
What do you need Congress for?
ian crossland
Maybe to declare war on somebody?
tim pool
Maybe to do war on who?
It's in international open waters.
ian crossland
I mean, what do you think?
luke rudkowski
We haven't done that in a while.
ian crossland
They're trying to bomb a foreign country.
tim pool
What country did they bomb?
ian crossland
Well, they bomb a Venezuelan piece of technology right off the coast of Venezuela.
That's what they told us.
tim pool
So for all you know, it could have been Chinese.
ian crossland
For all I know, it didn't even happen.
tim pool
Exactly.
If your argument is allegedly it was Venezuela, then my argument to you is, okay, so it was moon men made of cheese.
ian crossland
Right.
And how would that be any better?
tim pool
Well, just hit that cheese.
luke rudkowski
Ian, just say it was a boat coming from Venezuela off the coast of Venezuela.
tim pool
And maybe the moonmen are trying to steal our cheese to rebuild the moon and make it bigger, and we don't want that.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
If you knew their intention, but they said they're cartailing drugs in, and they definitely have hostility towards the Venezuelan government.
Somebody said we're going to invade Venezuela.
tim pool
Like, here's an honest question.
You know, When we got leaked information that they were killing civilians in a foreign country that we never declared war on and invaded anyway, that was terrifying.
But there's legitimate purpose of military use, which is not nation building in Afghanistan.
So when Trump says we're going to secure our border, oh, look, narco-terrorists are driving in.
Here's the video of it.
I go, well, I don't necessarily just trust you, but there is a world of difference between collateral murder when the U.S. killed a Reuters journalist overseas and then tried covering it up and Trump being like, I'm going to show you what we're doing in international waters because these guys are drug runners.
The question then becomes, okay, all right, I would like to see evidence of this beyond just the video.
I'd like to see documentation, whatever proof they can afford.
But I'm actually willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.
It's very different.
The question I would have, the first question I ask is, what are these boats doing otherwise?
Is it a group of fishermen enjoying a nice speedboat to the Caribbean and Trump just blew them up?
I really doubt it.
ian crossland
Why didn't they watch the boat come to the shore, watch it land, and then get the guys after they deborted?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, detain them, then blow them up.
ian crossland
Right?
unidentified
Oh my God.
catalina lauf
Did you guys see the video recently where actually there were a lot of people, law enforcement, that one of the boats is firing back at them?
So we don't know what happened in the US.
tim pool
Didn't you see the Discord messages between the boats where he was talking about how he loved the other boat drivers?
ian crossland
They loved each other.
tim pool
They loved each other and that the other boat pilot was not actually, in fact, trafficking drugs.
tate brown
Yeah, these guys sound freaky.
Blow them out of the water.
Get them out of here.
tim pool
And one of them was a furry.
ian crossland
But honestly, I would love to have seen them let them land and then take them and take the cargo and show people instead of just blowing up all the evidence.
luke rudkowski
Like make an example out of them.
Like these are the drugs coming in here.
I mean, the war on drugs is a farce anyway.
It's all just the cover for the kind of oil-rich nation that Venezuela is, a failed communistic state.
But there's a reason Trump declared Maduro a drug trafficker and then recently declared war on drug traffickers and how Venezuela is becoming very closely aligned with Russia, China, and Iran.
And now we're flying military jets and fighter pilots and naval assets.
tim pool
I mean, discussion of drone bombing Venezuela.
luke rudkowski
Not only that, there's required declaration of war.
There's practices of land invasion happening right now in Puerto Rico of American military service members.
So I do believe we are headed towards the kind of whether kinetic or non-kinetic type of war between the United States and Venezuela.
tim pool
It ain't just the United States of Venezuela, though.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
It's going to be World War III.
luke rudkowski
It's BRICS and it's all the other nations involved that indeed.
Yeah, for me, what I'm seeing is it's going to be Iran next, Venezuela, and then essentially Russia.
What about Iran first?
ian crossland
Why?
What are they going to do in Iran, do you think?
luke rudkowski
They're going to do regime change, and they're going to probably start bombing sometime soon.
American refueling aircraft is already being sent.
Gaza is being wrapped up as soon as Gaza wraps up.
There's conflicting information right now about Trump pushing the Israelis towards a peace deal.
The Israelis kind of pushing back right now.
But I think the vice president and the president just retweeted Hamas, which is very interesting.
And Trump ordered BB to stop bombing Gaza.
So far, the reports are coming in that BB has not listened to him.
Just like during the time when BB was bombing Iran, Trump told him to stop.
He didn't.
He sent more bombs.
Again, kind of humiliating, attacking Donald Trump once again on the international world state.
catalina lauf
Okay, but hold on.
Trump retweeted the statement of where they agreed to his show of strength of what he proposed.
So how is that?
What is the fine line to you then of sharing a fact to sensationalizing it?
And then I also want to say.
luke rudkowski
No, no, no.
I'm sharing a fact.
It happened.
I'm not placing judgment on it.
I'm just telling people, hey, it happened.
catalina lauf
All this conversation about Iran and the doomsday that we're going to war and all that stuff.
What is then your spectrum of going to war and then showing strength in an administration?
Do you want us to be like Biden that just sat there and everybody just was completely not afraid of that?
luke rudkowski
He gave the CIA carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to do in Ukraine, and he did a lot of kind of aggressive military actions as well.
catalina lauf
So, I'm not affected by any means.
So, what is your spectrum of we're going to go to war to, okay, let's actually show people that we're not meant to be effed around with.
And so, what is your spectrum?
luke rudkowski
So, why should we go to war?
Why should we go to war to show strength?
catalina lauf
I'm asking, I don't get it.
I'm asking what your spectrum of a decision by the commander-in-chief, what is what to you, what level to you is complete war or doing what it takes to make sure that our adversaries know not to mess with the United States?
luke rudkowski
That's a very kind of fine line, and I could answer that in many different ways.
But obviously, you could use the carrot and the stick.
I think we've been using a lot of stick.
I think we need to use carrots.
I think we need to promote diplomacy.
And I think a lot of the problems could be solved through just economic free trade capitalism and deals that could be made right now that could promote more prosperity rather than this kind of war footing that we're on that I think is incorrect.
catalina lauf
Nobody wants war.
Okay.
However, do we think in the history of history that like we are just going to get away with this stuff through like peace and love?
luke rudkowski
I'm not saying that.
I just said the stick and the carrot, and I said it should be a two-pronged approach where we're strong, but at the same time, war should be a last resort.
Diplomacy should always be used.
Trump, this time around, has been bombing a lot of countries.
He bombed Yemen, he bombed Iran.
Did you support the bombing?
But I want to ask you a question: Did you support the bombing of Iran?
catalina lauf
I supported President Trump's decision.
And guess what?
Everybody was wrong that all the doomsday people said it was going to lead to war.
We're in World War III.
It's like we didn't even give the administration a chance to do.
They have more intelligence.
They have more intelligence than any of us again at this time.
It's disingenuous when somebody trusts, I trust the president of the United States and making decisions, especially when it comes to foreign policy and what he needs to do to get things done.
Why is all of a sudden it has to be sensationalized that we're going to World War III?
It's like, why?
Why even?
luke rudkowski
I never even said that.
catalina lauf
Yes, you did.
unidentified
You said literally maybe we're going to war with Venezuela.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there probably will be a conflict with Venezuela, probably, with the way that things are shaping up.
I mean, you don't bring in the military.
You don't prep for the invasion.
You don't send in the military if that's not an option.
Obviously, all those options are on the table.
Obviously, we hope and pray Donald Trump makes the decision that's going to bring peace, not war.
catalina lauf
You're also assuming that these people, that's that people, that terrorists in particular, are going to come to the negotiating table when it comes to economic sanctions and things like that.
Sometimes they don't.
luke rudkowski
So your solution is to just bomb them.
No, bomb everyone and start wars.
What is your solution?
tim pool
I think given intelligent agents that target genetics, specifically in that region, Luke, gene-specific bioweapons.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That sounds great.
Or, you know, nuclear wars.
But what are you calling for exactly?
Like, what's your position to you?
What's your position exactly?
Because I'm saying we need more diplomacy.
Are you saying we need more war?
catalina lauf
You're saying, okay, but you're saying that a situation where we show strength automatically leads to war.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
No, I'm not saying that.
You just said that.
luke rudkowski
I'm saying we have been.
catalina lauf
You just said, so if I say that I agreed with the commander-in-chief's decision, that ultimately.
luke rudkowski
I think you're going to say that regardless, no matter what the issue is, because you're running as a politician.
catalina lauf
I'm running as a servant to my district that overwhelmingly supported President Trump and supports his decision as commander-in-chief.
If we have intelligence that a foreign adversary is directly impacting the United States and Americans and our interests, why shouldn't the commander-in-chief then make us an example a logical decision to then do what he has to do?
Because which is what happened in Iran.
And that did not lead to World War III, by the way, which everybody then screamed at that choice.
tim pool
You just got to care for that.
luke rudkowski
But it made an impact and it made a difference.
tim pool
Just to be pedantic, some argued that it would ignite World War III at the moment.
The actions Trump took with Iran could still be a contributing factor to the escalation of tensions between BRICS and NATO.
luke rudkowski
It's not an end of the conflict.
Iran.
tim pool
Iran literally goes to China after we dropped bunker busters on Iran that were designed 20 years ago specifically for bunker bustering Iran, and that would not inflame tensions.
Of course it will inflame tensions.
luke rudkowski
It inflamed tensions and it stopped the negotiations happening in Russia right now.
The deals that were supposed to be made.
Putin was watching the negotiations and said, do not bomb Iran.
He saw the bad faith actors in those negotiations and it affected the negotiations with Ukraine.
So you can't say it had no effect.
Everything's fine when we're still very close towards another war with Iran.
China is now becoming closely aligned with Iran and now Venezuela.
And we are becoming and going on this kind of trajectory that we should be using diplomacy that would be elected.
tim pool
It's much, much more than that.
BRICS already exists.
luke rudkowski
Of course.
tim pool
We don't even have a conversation about China and Iran becoming close.
They're close.
luke rudkowski
But also they're coming even closer and becoming more on a war footing.
And now more war equipment is being shared.
And now we're being brought closer to this type of bigger conflict, which I think we should be doing everything to avoid.
catalina lauf
Do you think in any case showing a show of strength is necessary?
Any show of strength.
luke rudkowski
Because negotiating in bad faith.
I don't think they're going to be flexing of the world.
Obviously.
catalina lauf
taking out Soleimani for example do you believe that there is do you believe what I I asked you a bunch of questions and you still never answered them.
luke rudkowski
I answered a lot of your questions.
catalina lauf
No, you haven't.
You didn't answer that.
luke rudkowski
So you supported the bombing of Iran and you thought that brings peace.
Yes?
catalina lauf
I said I support the peace.
luke rudkowski
And we're in peace right now.
Are we in peace right now?
catalina lauf
I support President Trump's decision.
luke rudkowski
I don't know about that.
tim pool
We are not currently at war with Iran.
It was a 12-day war.
The United States crushed them and then they said, okay, we're done.
luke rudkowski
Okay, so what's the solution?
What are you trying to get at?
The solution of what?
The questions that she did.
tate brown
We bomb a country in between, just as a consolation.
I think that'd be fine.
luke rudkowski
We need to sacrifice some children at the altar of the military-industrial complex.
And then as soon as we sacrifice Tmolik and the demons out there, then it's fine.
Just a little bit.
Just a little bit of intervention.
Just a bunch of international people.
catalina lauf
You're being dramatic, completely manipulating what I said.
I said, I'm not support peace through strength.
And I don't believe that all these decisions from the commander-in-chief, given the intelligence that he receives, that is, again, above all of our pay grades here, ultimately, he makes a decision that doesn't lead to war, that doesn't fuel the military-industrial complex.
Believe me, I'm the wife of a veteran who served in the global war on terror.
I'm completely against the military-industrial complex.
However, I'm not against peace through strength, which is a cornerstone of American foreign policy.
luke rudkowski
Peace is done through diplomacy.
Peace is done through negotiation.
Can you stop interrupting me?
I let you finish and I listen to you.
Can you please let me finish, right?
If you look at all the peace that we have ever had, it is because people came to the negotiation table and made a deal.
Wrong and wrong because they won wars, right?
ian crossland
They call gunboats.
tim pool
They vaporize to Roshima and Nagasaki, and they dropped through their knees.
luke rudkowski
Not always.
But a lot of the times, a lot of wars were prevented because of negotiations.
tim pool
Since the end of World War War II, the peace came about from our rich gunboats and policy wars.
catalina lauf
So, if you believe in negotiation, then why are you upset that President Trump reinstated that you said you're making that up out of your own head?
luke rudkowski
I never said it.
I was upset that he did.
I said that he just did.
tim pool
I think Luke hates America.
I think Luke just hates America.
ian crossland
Luke, you got to flex a little more, baby.
No, see, gunboat diplomacy was this decision late 1800s, sometime where they're like, we're going to roll up our ships on the coast to park them right in front of the city and be like, now you're going to do some diplomacy with us.
luke rudkowski
There's a reason why so many people voted for Donald Trump when he, even when he was talking to you directly, Tim, he was like, Yeah, why are we involved in Yemen?
Why are we doing this?
We should be taking care of our own problems at home.
So, if you're arguing, yes, we have to be the world police, yes, we have to bomb countries for peace, that is a ridiculous, idiotic notion that doesn't make any sense, doesn't add up when we have clear priorities here at home that need to be prioritized because guess what?
tim pool
Israel and drug cartel members in the private sector.
luke rudkowski
Abdullah with flip-flops in Iran is not my enemy.
catalina lauf
Okay, but you're clearly putting you're putting words in my mouth that I'm for being like, we need to use your strength, we need to do this.
luke rudkowski
So, how is that going to spend all this on?
We're spending records, we are in debt up to our ears because of the military-industrial complex.
How much money are we just wasting away, throwing away?
Deutsche and Elon Musk could have never gone to the Pentagon and audited them.
Why?
Why can't we have an audit from all the contracts, from all the nonsense, from all the malfeasance, from all of these people robbing us blind?
catalina lauf
The military, can I make one point?
tim pool
Someone has to sacrifice children at the altar of Molly.
catalina lauf
Oh my gosh.
Can I make one point here?
The military.
ian crossland
That's exactly what's happening here.
catalina lauf
The military.
The military-industrial complex has started literally started in 1913.
luke rudkowski
And they're robbing us blind.
catalina lauf
Okay, but you're sitting here trying to blame this administration for decades of poor diplomacy.
luke rudkowski
All I'm saying is, keep your campaign promise and let's take care of our problems at home.
We have clear issues.
catalina lauf
He is taking care of the promises.
luke rudkowski
Okay, but let's hyper-focus on that and not send a quarter of our Thad missile defense systems over to Israel right now.
We don't need to be doing this.
We don't need to be spending billions of dollars.
tim pool
Hold on, right?
You know, maybe we do.
ian crossland
You certainly need a broad focus as the commander.
tim pool
You can't get $7,000 now.
catalina lauf
But this is the first time.
tim pool
No, no, what I'm going to do is I'm going to leverage.
I'm going to go to Qatar and be like, hey, man, Israel, give me seven for pro-Israel.
What are you going to give me for SA?
luke rudkowski
Eight and a half, eight and a half, Qatar.
Come on, let's see what you got in here.
Donald Trump galvanized so many people by saying George W. Bush knew about 9-11.
He galvanized so many people when he said we should have never went into Iraq.
He galvanized so many people when he said, Yeah, we just went in there to take the oil.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
He did that dance on SNL where he's, you know, how is anything that he's doing?
luke rudkowski
No more children to Molik, right?
And I was like, yeah, I said that forgot what we wanted.
tim pool
Maybe some.
catalina lauf
Luke, we know you have Trump derangements.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
Let's go.
tim pool
I got you.
That president argument one.
luke rudkowski
And you can't have an argument.
You can't have a clear answer.
unidentified
No, no, no.
No, you know why?
luke rudkowski
Like, come on, that is such a cop-out.
catalina lauf
You know why I can't have a clear argument?
luke rudkowski
Do you support Trump when he was campaigning, or do you support Trump now?
unidentified
Do you?
luke rudkowski
Which Trump do you support?
You waiver and win like a little bit of a moment.
catalina lauf
I have supported him since 2015.
unidentified
Okay, of course.
catalina lauf
No, but let me tell.
Yes, I have supported President Trump since 2015.
But I will tell you, people like you make it hard because you want to have a substantive conversation, but yet you sit there and say, you're completely twisting my words.
You're saying I'm the world's pool.
I want to say that.
luke rudkowski
I don't want to sacrifice children to Malik.
I get it.
unidentified
It's fine.
And I literally told him that.
luke rudkowski
Billy and Bobby, give them to the Epstein criminals and predators out there.
unidentified
It's fine.
tim pool
Just let each other find.
I got to be honest.
I think Katana is going to get a massive amount of donations after she claimed you had Trump derangement syndrome because the chat's blowing up.
unidentified
CatalinaForCongress.com.
catalina lauf
Luke has Trump derangement syndrome.
unidentified
Can we make a yard?
catalina lauf
No, it's going to be a t-shirt.
Crop top, actually.
ian crossland
I definitely want to let you point that out.
When Trump was running in those early days and saying, we never should have been there, he was ignorant to a lot of geopolitical strategy of taking the Suez Canal, holding it, using Israeli nuclear force, you know, eradicating radical Islam and whatever that means, whether or not you agree with that.
But when you get into office, now you're like, oh, I have to decide who lives and who dies.
We need money.
catalina lauf
I truly believe he has avoided war.
And I truly believe, again, as a wife of a veteran of global war on terror, it's hard to see an entire generation that was completely a misled.
A lot of these guys look back and they say, all for what?
It's devastating the impact of what that war did on an entire generation of men.
They should have been a bit of a drug.
tim pool
You would have been everybody worked up, but it would have been a good idea.
catalina lauf
No, no, no.
unidentified
I actually would have.
catalina lauf
No, I would have told you.
luke rudkowski
That's Saddam Hussein guy has connections to the 9-11.
unidentified
I'm going to stop you because I'm completely aggressive.
catalina lauf
And it's rude that Luke completely.
unidentified
One last segment.
catalina lauf
I'm going to say that.
tim pool
Changing the subject.
We're going to rag on some liberals.
We're going to grab one last segment before the weekend.
We got to do it because this one is, how do I say this?
I am emotionally triggered and personally offended and biased.
I got this tweet.
I tweeted this.
90% of liberals we try to book demand money.
0% of conservatives ask for money.
In fact, conservatives sometimes drive themselves even though we cover travel and accommodation.
Liberals are grifters.
They don't care about ideas.
They care about money and they will say anything for money.
And I believe it.
So we have an update for you guys for the Culture War Live event, which is coming up in a couple of weeks.
We had booked Naima Trout, who is notable because she debated Charlie Kirk on Jubilee.
She had agreed to come on the show in exchange for $500.
This is the Culture War Live ticketed stage event.
We have never offered money for Timcast IRL.
We have been offered money.
We have turned it down every time.
We do not offer money to appear on any of the shows that I do.
Naima was invited to come on the debate show about dating, and she said, how much?
So apparently she had negotiated, her team had negotiated with Alex, not someone from our team.
And she was offered $500.
And we never pay.
The events lose money.
We do this because we're trying to, it's for the cause, for an impact.
They came back to me, to our team, yesterday saying she had received an offer for $5,000 and would be backing out of the event unless we could match or offer more, to which we responded, no, we can't do that.
Now, I'll grant some respect.
If I was asked to go to an event and I said, sure, I'll do it, whatever.
And then like a week later, someone said, Tim, we're going to pay you to do another event.
I'd hit him up, like, guys, look, I got to take the money.
Sorry, like it's a paid gig versus, so I'm not completely bent about that.
But it is a reality that conservatives never ask for money.
I think to be fair, 0%, it might be 0.01% because we may have had one personality who's not a conservative, but is a prominent, is like a celebrity who kind of agrees with Trump.
So anyway, here's what ends up happening.
I tweet this.
It's got 4,000 retweets, 811,000 views because it's true even Bill Maher said the same thing.
And everyone's favorite, Olivia Juliana, she is a liberal personality, tweeted, 10,000 likes, and I'll post screenshots of Tim's team offering me money to collab with him.
I love the word collab.
Because that literally never happened.
Collab, but I guess semantics.
People who are invited to come on the Culture War debate show, which I will also add, I wouldn't be there, as we already announced, I wouldn't be for security reasons, and we don't know yet if I will be there.
She said, 10,000 likes and I'll post screenshots of Tim's team offering me money.
And this just so beautifully exemplifies the point.
She wouldn't just do it.
She wouldn't just say, oh, yeah, look, Tim offered me money.
No, she says, you give me clicks and help me build up my personality and my career and my job.
And maybe I'll consider being honest, of which she wasn't because Lisa, who does our booking, Patriot, posted the screenshots on X showing everything.
And never was she offered money.
Hi, Olivia.
Tim Poole is a new show, The Culture War War 2, guests with opposing views.
Hi, Olivia.
The Temple is hosting an event, July 26th, in Washington, D.C.
No offer of money.
She said, Hi, I have a prior familial obligations and will be unable to attend.
Thank you for the invitation.
Then an email: We would like to invite you to the Culture War, the Comedy Loft.
No offer of money.
And excuse me, the other half of the email, here's the date.
Here's who's going to be there.
Kat Tim, Kyler Turner, Myron Gaines will be there.
And then she even went further to include a text message with another staffer who said, We never offered her any money.
So maybe she's just a lunatic who is, I don't know, talking to some random cactus and thinking it was me offering money.
I don't know, but we never did.
These people lie.
It's what they do.
I am genuinely convinced that about 90% of liberals are literally just saying whatever they have to say to make money.
People like Jimmy Kimmel are no exception.
Sam Cedar, well, to be fair, Sam did the show for free.
So I'll give him some respect.
Hassan Grifter, Krasnstein's, they never asked for money.
They came on the show, respect, despite not respect in other areas.
catalina lauf
Speaking of liberals making money, Luke, how much are you getting paid to be here?
luke rudkowski
Zero, actually.
I'm volunteering my time.
catalina lauf
Wow.
You have your thesis is wrong here.
tim pool
Well, Luke looks like an anarchist.
catalina lauf
No, he's not.
tim pool
He's not a liberal.
He's definitely not a liberal.
catalina lauf
He's giving me liberal advice.
tate brown
He's a panic.
tim pool
Well, I mean, there's other people who don't like Trip.
unidentified
Panicking.
luke rudkowski
Get him out of here.
tim pool
Say, donate to me.
Luke's a panican.
And then watch this.
catalina lauf
Someone's donate to him.
WWW.catalino for Congressman.
luke rudkowski
I'm emotional today.
But I don't know.
tim pool
No, looks at the panic.
luke rudkowski
I believe in freedom and personal responsibility.
unidentified
Something that politicians usually don't know.
catalina lauf
What?
luke rudkowski
Something that politicians usually don't know much about.
catalina lauf
What do we not know?
luke rudkowski
Freedom and personal responsibility.
ian crossland
Have you guys ever fallen into that place where you just decide, I'm going to start lying now, and then you kind of just justify it for yourself and you become that person?
tim pool
No, you'd be a liberal if that was the case because there's easy money.
ian crossland
Yeah, I've waved through that state of mind, and that's what's happening to these people.
tim pool
Luke, come on.
How much money do you think we could make if we go all in on Israel, bro?
Stop ragging on Israel.
luke rudkowski
Then I got to stop talking about the Epstein list, too.
tim pool
Five, look, what if you did 10 tweets per day?
You know what I mean?
$70,000.
Nah, they don't got a budget for that, but they might be, you know, seven grand per day, bro.
Come on.
luke rudkowski
I mean, that's a lot of money.
When the IRS took everything from me last year, I would have thought about it, but probably would have said no.
ian crossland
It's possible that this girl was wrong.
tim pool
Don Lemon asked for $50,000.
luke rudkowski
Wow.
catalina lauf
Dude, I mean, I find that actually really insulting.
Who does he think he is?
I think it's actually, you know, no matter how much someone likes to argue here, I'm really grateful that you have people on and people like myself.
You know, we're really honored to be able to have a platform and for you to invite us on and to have these dialogues and this conversation because we're reaching an audience that, you know, we might not normally.
And so thank you.
And I'm really insulted that people ask you for money to be on here.
tim pool
There are some prominent podcasts that pay people to come on the show.
And we don't do that.
We won't give people money to come on Tim Cast IRA.
We've talked about it.
Like if there's a celebrity who's not a political figure and we want them to comment on something, but we're like, that's what culture war is for.
Because if they're not a news, if not a person who's in politics and news and doesn't know what's going on, we get specialists sometimes on the show who will be like, you know, we had like white coat waist project.
And they're not news guys.
They're specialists.
So they don't have a lot to say on like politics of Yemen.
You know what I mean?
So we try to reserve that stuff for culture war.
The only culture war events we've actually offered money for is literally this one time for Naima.
Because it is a stage event, we've talked about it.
And I said, well, it's not the same thing as asking someone to come and sit down and have a conversation.
We're asking them to be in public with an audience, selling tickets.
So I think it's fair that the people who do request some kind of compensation, we would offer something.
But Cat Timf didn't ask for money.
Myron didn't ask for money.
Michael Mouse didn't ask for money.
Literally no one's asked for money.
In fact, even Alex Stein.
Alex did it for free, right?
Even Alex co-hosted for free.
We lost money doing those events.
I think we lost a little bit.
Like we made back a good amount and we do it for the love.
luke rudkowski
I'm here.
I flew myself out here.
I'm here for free.
Unlike what Ken Elena believes.
But I think it's important to have these discussions.
And I'm here because I love these discussions.
And I think it's important to discuss.
I think it's important to ask questions.
tim pool
I think that's true for all of us.
luke rudkowski
I think it's important to ask questions.
tim pool
This is true for all of us.
And this is the point I'm making with this tweet.
When you look at, you know, David Pachman, oh, his opinion's for sale.
Like Hassan Piker, his opinion's for sale.
Hassan Piker is simultaneously pro and anti-military industrial complexes, but it just makes no sense.
He's like, we should be cutting off Israel because the military industrial complex in the Middle East, but we should be giving it to Ukraine.
luke rudkowski
And I'm like, no, it's like, what the hell?
catalina lauf
Well, but then that's not principled.
That's just grifter.
tim pool
I'll give Sam Cedar credit in that he came on for free.
But Sam Cedar is a different kind of grifter.
He makes videos about me like non-stop.
And this is really funny.
I'm looking straight into the camera at you, Sam.
When I was sick for August, I was mercilessly sick.
He didn't make one video about me because I didn't make any videos.
His viewership dropped.
What did it drop by?
Like 20%.
And his subscriber growth dropped by like 70%.
When the man can't talk about me, he loses views.
I'm so sorry about that.
I know your kids need to eat.
Different kind of grifter.
But the rest of these liberals are literally like, I've got so many followers I can make money now.
ian crossland
You know, shout out to Stephen Bonnell, who, whether you like Destiny or not, he would pay for his own travel all the time.
And he's been doing that for years and years.
tim pool
Yeah, but that guy's trying to get killed.
unidentified
Like Stephen's not a good situation to bring him up.
ian crossland
Hey, at least you can't.
tim pool
No, no, no.
ian crossland
I can point out in this one instance, he does pay for himself and never asks for money.
tim pool
Listen, Ian.
ian crossland
I don't like judging people.
tim pool
I think one of the biggest critiques people have of you is that you seem to be willfully obtuse.
Of course.
ian crossland
That's my position on the show at the moment.
Okay.
tim pool
Destiny has celebrated death, called for killing of conservatives, said conservatives should fear death.
ian crossland
And Hitler loved drugs.
tim pool
And then goes out in public for a public tour right after Charlie is killed.
ian crossland
All that stuff I condemn.
A lot of that, what you're just saying.
tim pool
My point is, you don't go on your show, mock people, and praise, mock people whose friend just was murdered, praise the assassinations after you suffered criminal charges, I think.
I don't know the full details, where your kid is going online and insulting you and your wife left you.
And then you say, hey, guys, I'm going to go stand in public.
Here's where I'll be standing.
It's like, we get it, dude.
We get it.
You're trying to get someone to hurt you.
Please, no one hurt this man.
Okay, he's in need of a 5150.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
He's not doing too late.
ian crossland
I reached out to him a couple years ago.
luke rudkowski
I'm going to pray for him doing better.
catalina lauf
Let me ask you this, though, when it comes to the financial incentive.
When you come on here, especially as a candidate, this is just from my perspective, right?
Or anybody, you're subjecting yourself to a, if somebody disagrees with you, horrible, you know, comments.
I don't even want to see the comment section here.
You're subjecting yourself to vulnerability in terms of anybody can take a clip or misconstrue what you're trying to say, manipulate what you're trying to say when that's not actually what you're trying to say.
There's a huge liability in doing that, yet people still come on here to have these discussions because that's worth the ultimate backlash.
Do you think in their mind they think that it's only worth to come on?
It's not right.
But when there's a financial incentive because you're putting yourself in that.
tim pool
I guarantee you, there is a number I can give most liberals where they will change their opinions in two seconds.
Conservatives, absolutely not.
catalina lauf
They can just be bought.
tim pool
And I say this of 90% of conservatives because I think it's absolute.
So the way I put it is 90% of liberals are grifters.
90% of conservatives are honest to their mission.
That means you can find some conservatives.
But I guarantee you, if I went to anybody in the turning point building and said, I would give you $100,000 right now cash, here you go.
Suitcase, all you need to do is I'm going to film a video of you renouncing Christ.
They would say, never.
Never.
But I know that I can go to liberals.
A good majority may, to be fair, some of them may weigh $100,000 against their multi-million dollar enterprise and say no.
But the average one-of-the-mill liberal who's like wanting to come on the show, I bet if I said, give you $100,000 to be conservative, they'd go.
Okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, because you've got like two years of money for a guy making 50K and he's like, all I got to say is some lie, and then I can spend the next couple of years making up for it.
catalina lauf
Because they don't actually believe in what they say.
There's no principle in there, what they believe.
ian crossland
That's how I felt at Hollywood, working in the entertainment industry.
The whole industry is built around that.
Say, sell this product.
Say it's good for you, even though you know it's not.
tim pool
We're going to grab some super chats because we went long because that's what we do sometimes.
And it's Friday, and we're having fun and we're screaming at each other.
But let's grab some of your super chats and let's see what we've got.
catalina lauf
I'm about to ask for a text.
unidentified
Ambriel Brown says we can't release.
tim pool
I'm reading super chats now.
Ambriel Brown says we can't.
catalina lauf
Sorry, go ahead.
ian crossland
This is my favorite part of the show, by the way.
tim pool
Considering people spent a lot of money, I will throw you guys off the show if you keep doing that.
Ambriel Brown says we can't release the files.
The world would go to chaos.
People will die.
Vigilante is on the rise.
Forget civil war.
This is life for life and war beyond us.
Yes, I want to know who's on the list, but the justice isn't ours.
True justice will come.
luke rudkowski
When?
ian crossland
How?
luke rudkowski
Solid.
I disagree with that notion.
Justice could come now.
We don't have to wait for it and have some underwater 4D chess backgamming explanation.
We could get real answers.
We should.
We deserve it.
ian crossland
My jury's out with me, man.
I think about lately how you create order by using evil once in a while and then you repent along the way.
And this power of blackmail, this level of power that you could exert over big money.
And you know, big money is the problem, the Swiss banks, bank for international subtleties.
I mean, if you've got dirt on those guys and you can somehow circumvent the World Economic Forum's attempt at turning this into a corporatocracy, you know, basically every super chat is anti-Luke.
luke rudkowski
Read them.
I'm okay with that.
They're just criticism that I like.
tim pool
Here's why Luke is wrong.
Luke is wrong.
luke rudkowski
I love constructive criticism and I love to have these debates.
So let's see.
tim pool
Not a bad says Luke would burn down the country to get the Epstein list.
Fallen Angel says, Luke, justice takes time for it to work so it won't crumble under examination, especially with the corrupt judges in the court system.
That's actually true, too.
It's the judges that are blocking.
They're judges blocking the release of these files.
luke rudkowski
They have the files.
They could release them.
They don't need a judge's approval for them.
tim pool
A judge blocked the release of the files.
luke rudkowski
The court files, but not the FBI files, not the financial transcripts, not the records, not the victims, not the flight logs.
tim pool
Daniel Cole says Luke's view, respectfully, is naively myopic.
He clearly cannot see the bigger issue for the Epstein trees.
Dem tyranny is 1,000-foot oak.
luke rudkowski
I don't think we're going to get dem tyranny by releasing the Epstein list.
tim pool
What if they can use it?
Felipe Brevard says Luke only thinks about his business model.
He needs material to feed his audience.
He doesn't have anything to lose.
We parents do grow up.
luke rudkowski
What are you going to lose by releasing the Epstein?
tim pool
What if it's the ability to- They're saying if Democrats win, their kids' future is at risk.
luke rudkowski
I'll say that's correlated.
ian crossland
If they could use the FC files to repeal the Federal Reserve Act, great.
Would you be cool with them using it as blackmail to get those people to repeal that act?
luke rudkowski
No, I think Epstein takes priority.
tim pool
Oscar Oliu says, I haven't super chat in a while, but please tell Luke, normal people don't give an ish about rich people doing gross-ish.
We are worried about bills and dying from crime.
luke rudkowski
Douglas have an America-first policy where a lot of the predators out there are hurting our children.
Like, I think it's a fair argument to make.
ian crossland
Luke's just like, S-L-V-R-B-A.
tim pool
I can't remember the whole thing.
Says, people only care about uncovering Epstein docs so they can see elites who have or may done some pedo stuff.
Only a small percent actually care to get justice for the minors who were involved.
catalina lauf
Look at what happened with Diddy today.
ian crossland
What happened?
tim pool
What were you at 15 months or something?
catalina lauf
Four years.
ian crossland
Was that good or enough or not enough?
catalina lauf
I don't think it was enough for what he was doing.
luke rudkowski
It was a cover-up operation for other Democrats who were involved.
They hit it.
tim pool
Neglectful Sausage says, what about ism repeal the 19th?
ian crossland
No, that means done.
luke rudkowski
How do you respond to that, Ketalina?
catalina lauf
Women belong in the kitchen and in Congress, okay?
tim pool
What do you think about Ana Paulina Luna's bill to allow mothers to work remote, vote remote from Congress if they have babies?
catalina lauf
Ana's a great friend of mine.
You know, that's an interesting one.
And I'll tell you why.
You know, the argument to that was against it, rather, was, well, we women, you know, women have to work and things like that.
Well, she, like, for as a mother, she had to literally go to D.C. every week when she had a newborn.
What if you have a child has an issue with you're going to lose a lion like Ana over something.
tim pool
Indeed.
Okay.
If you want to open the door to Congress remote voting under the Civil Rights Act, then the Democrats are going to say, then you have to allow everyone to vote remote no matter what.
And then Congress disappears.
catalina lauf
There should be a balance.
And there was a balance in that particular provision.
She had a limited time.
tim pool
Imagine any other job.
You know what I mean?
Like as a firefighter and it's like a woman and she's like, I'm going to have a baby.
Now you got to pay me.
I'm not going to come to work.
I'm going to work firefight remote.
It's like, look, you have a job, you're expected to be there.
Don't bring your kid to work.
That's like the crazy thing.
The other Democrat lady was like, look at my son.
He has to be here in Congress with me.
No, he doesn't get a baby sick.
catalina lauf
Okay, well, that was different.
That was also, I think it was also.
tim pool
That's the same argument.
catalina lauf
But I think it was also heavily sensationalized on Twitter, too.
Like, I think it's an important thing.
That was something that she cared about.
And, you know, I think it was overly sensationalized on Twitter.
tim pool
Like, if you want to have a baby, quit.
Men don't breastfeed.
Like, this is, you know, the problem I have with it is largely, it's this gender neutral garbage where it's like, I just had a kid.
I know, I am going, I am learning.
And there are many, many more of many more kids than I did and know a lot more than I do.
But oh, wow, do babies need moms?
And I changed my opinion on surrogacy, which was rather fence-sittery.
And now I'm absolutely opposed to it.
And because newborn babies need mothers.
Babies, formula is fake.
Formula is a lie.
Formula is a trick.
Babies are surviving, but they are not thriving.
So this idea that we're going to be like, nah, women can be in Congress and have babies at the same time.
I'm like, I'm not doing this.
Women can be in Congress all they want.
But if you have a baby, it doesn't matter what job you have.
You go take care of your baby.
catalina lauf
But what if you can do both?
tim pool
No, you can't.
catalina lauf
Yeah.
Look at look at Caroline Levitt.
She's a complete powerhouse.
tim pool
Does she bring her baby to the stand for press secretaries?
catalina lauf
She started working three years ago.
tim pool
She's holding her baby at the press section.
catalina lauf
Well, that's different.
That Democratic representative did that, but she's not doing that.
However, she is a mom.
tim pool
She has an SA work remote.
catalina lauf
She had a baby.
tim pool
And did she go home and say, I'm going to Zoom call the press?
catalina lauf
She worked like three days after.
tim pool
So we got no issue.
catalina lauf
Yeah, but it's more, it's the voting process.
It's more nuanced.
tim pool
Anna Paulina Luna said, I should be able to work from home because I had a baby.
catalina lauf
No, she didn't.
I mean, that is ridiculous.
tim pool
That was the bill.
Are you joking?
luke rudkowski
What was the bill then?
tim pool
First of all, most of the bill.
What was the bill?
catalina lauf
I was over a provision.
It said, allow it over a certain amount.
It was like 10 weeks or something.
tim pool
To work remote.
catalina lauf
It said, given the option.
tim pool
To vote remote in Congress.
catalina lauf
Yeah.
tim pool
Which means from home with your baby.
catalina lauf
That doesn't necessarily mean that.
tim pool
Oh, it means from the cafe with her baby?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, it doesn't.
Any idea dare say I should get a special class provision to vote remotely is so shockingly offensive to me.
I called on her to resign.
And I like her.
I think she's a great member of Congress, one of the best.
But if you're going to stand up there and be like, I should get to work remote, the tidal wave of corruption that opens for her personal issue is so shockingly offensive to me.
My response is: how dare you go into Congress and say, I had a baby, so I'm going to vote on bills remotely when we already have a problem of Congress not showing up and spending most of their time fundraising instead of doing their jobs.
That's why Congress approval writing is like 13%.
catalina lauf
It's more offensive to me to lose a lion like Ana over something that she felt so passionate about.
Out of all the members of Congress, she's one of the few people who actually sit there and fight for the American people every single day on a national platform.
She defends the president.
She does her job more than, you know, more than 90% of the representatives right now.
No, I don't want some loser from a member of Congress that does absolutely nothing, sits there lining their pocketbooks, doing whatever they want, and being silent on the issues that matter.
tim pool
Be in Congress and get a baby.
catalina lauf
She's a powerhouse.
And I'm sure she does.
tim pool
And that was a particular issue.
So she was trying to get voting in Congress.
catalina lauf
That was a particular issue that she was passionate about.
tim pool
And she was wrong.
catalina lauf
And it's shockingly offensive that she would dare to say, okay, well, I think it's shockingly offensive that we would completely disregard somebody like her over everything that she wants to do.
tim pool
What does that mean to disregard her?
What does that mean?
catalina lauf
You said you called on her to resign.
tim pool
If she wants, if she cannot work because she has a baby, then she should resign.
catalina lauf
That was over a certain amount of weeks here.
luke rudkowski
I don't disagree.
You would vote against it.
Can we read more super chats against me?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm just saying.
ian crossland
I want to talk about voting on home.
tim pool
The position is: I struggle to do this job because I have a baby, so I should be able to work from home.
Quit your job.
All right.
It's just, Luke, it's just literally everybody.
luke rudkowski
That's fine.
I love it.
ian crossland
Or just don't show up for 10 weeks.
tim pool
This one says Luke is gay.
ian crossland
Read that one again.
tim pool
I'm kidding.
It doesn't say that.
What does this one say?
Jake says, Luke needs to remember his shirt says America runs on blackmail.
unidentified
Yes.
luke rudkowski
It does.
The best political shirts.com.
ian crossland
But isn't that evil?
Aren't you using evil to sell t-shirts?
luke rudkowski
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
You're saying something you don't believe in.
luke rudkowski
What kind of Ianism did you just pull off?
ian crossland
You're saying something you don't believe in.
luke rudkowski
That's another one, Ian.
I'm sorry.
ian crossland
Or that you don't want.
You're like using enough of the negativity to sell t-shirts.
luke rudkowski
Face reality, please.
ian crossland
I just did, and you're looking at me.
tim pool
Katoff says, Luke is ignorant.
Peace comes from the barrel.
ian crossland
That's Chairman Mao.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the communists that killed tens of millions of people.
ian crossland
But do you believe that peace is derived through strength and that means weapons of the day?
luke rudkowski
I think there's a two-pronged approach here.
Like I said before, the answer is more nuanced, carrot, stick.
And it's that simple.
ian crossland
I think peace.
luke rudkowski
We need more diplomacy.
We need more characters.
ian crossland
Peace is derived through force, but it's sustained through diplomacy.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We're getting close to that time.
So smash the like button.
Share the show with everyone you know.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
We're going to have segments up throughout the weekend.
And all next week, it is going to be a special treat for all of you.
And I'm saying that because what I'm actually telling you is I'm not going to be there.
We have a series of guest hosts.
It's going to be a whole lot of fun.
I'll give you a hint.
Without saying too much, I'll just shout out Matt Gates.
It's going to be awesome.
I'm going to be doing a bunch of promo stuff, which I neglect all the time by traveling.
And so I'll be doing that.
Follow me on X and Instagram, all that good stuff.
Catalina, do you want to shout anything out?
catalina lauf
Follow me at Catalina Lauf on all platforms.
Catalina for Congress, if you want a fighter in office, and we're going to be making shirts now that St. Luke has Trump derangement syndrome.
They will be available on our presentation.
They'll be available on our website soon.
Which is CatalinaForCongress.com.
luke rudkowski
I have another great slogan, bomb bomb, bomb Iran.
I think that's a good one, too.
catalina lauf
We're also going to do Women Belong in the Kitchen and in Congress because I believe that we can do both.
We can make sandwiches and pass legislation.
luke rudkowski
This was fun.
Thank you so much for engaging in this debate and this conversation.
Most of my best friends I argue with like this, so I appreciate the very lively conversation.
It was really fun.
If you guys want to have the conversation with me, you can on youtube.com forward slash we are change.
I always have a very fun time debating, conversing with people.
So I'm all open to changing my mind.
If you want to support me, you can get the shirt on thebestpolitical shirts.com.
And I have a great supplement store, we arechange.shop.
This is going to be it for me for TimCast IRL for now.
And I look forward to hopefully.
tim pool
Yeah, we're banning him because he has Trump derangement syndrome.
tate brown
No pannikins at the table.
ian crossland
You're pissing me off.
You're constant warm on.
tim pool
I'm sick of this.
ian crossland
I'm not going to take it.
tate brown
I'm sick of the graphene crap.
unidentified
Enough.
ian crossland
It's not going to get over it.
So enough of you.
tim pool
Big deal.
ian crossland
Just kidding, by the way.
tim pool
I love this guy.
ian crossland
But we're brewing some beef at the moment, and it's going to be tasty.
tate brown
We'll handle this out in the parking lot.
ian crossland
Follow us both.
I'm Ian Crossland, Real Tape Brown on Twitter.
But what do you got to say, Brother?
tate brown
Keep fighting, never surrender.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I'll see you guys next already, okay?
I see the chemistry of YouTube.
tim pool
Where are they following you?
unidentified
Ian Crossland and Eddie Crossland is on everywhere and at RealTape Brown everywhere.
All right.
tim pool
It's time to get out of here, guys.
Thank you so much for hanging out.
This has been an awesome week.
Shout out to the Turning Point team for hosting us and the guys, Andrew Colvett, Jack Pesobic, and the Charlie Kirk Show.
It means the world to me that you had us out here.
You supported us to come and collaborate with you in this way.
See, I said collaborate.
So I really do appreciate it.
Next week's going to be a blast with a bunch of guest hosts.
It's going to get wild.
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