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Oct. 2, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Netflix Shares TANK, Elon Says BOYCOTT After Writer MOCKS Charlie Kirk Assassination
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ian crossland
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jack posobiec
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luke rudkowski
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tim pool
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jason scoop
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tim pool
Netflix shares are tanking.
After Elon Musk called for a boycott of the platform, a writer for a show that was promoting tr uh transgender ideology to children has mocked Charlie Kirk and the assassination.
This has resulted in many people spam blasting Twitter saying cancel your Netflix, showing all the programs that Netflix has that push gender ideology.
And I'm just sitting here being like, Y'all still have Netflix?
I canceled that to the cuties thing.
But uh now apparently they've dropped down a couple percentage points.
It's even made it to CNBC.
We have other news.
It's kind of funny, it's not as serious, but Bad Bunny got uh I guess chosen for the Super Bowl halftime show, and conservatives are questioning this choice because the dude doesn't even sing in English.
Well, he claimed he will not do shows in the USA because he's scared of ice showing up, and now we are learning the Trump admin plans to send ice to the Super Bowl halftime show.
There's speculation that maybe he will cancel and not do it out of this fear, but we'll see.
And then there is some serious news.
France has boarded a Russian vessel believing they were launching drones that was inter that was interfering with flights over Europe.
We don't know necessarily if this is gonna be an escalation, but with the article four with article four of uh NATO being called as often as it has in in recent history or in the past few uh weeks with Russia's movements in Europe and uh violation of airspace.
There's a lot of concern that this could lead to an escalation.
And then uh there's some good news though.
It looks like the Republicans have a shot at taking the governor's race in New Jersey.
So we'll talk about that and so much more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is President Donald Trump.
jason scoop
Well, Tim, it's great to be with you.
I've been a fan for a long time.
I haven't been able to come on because I've been making America and really the world, if you look at it great again, right?
Saving us all from the N-word, right?
Which of course is nuclear.
You know that better than anyone.
But it's great to be with you, right?
tim pool
Who are you really?
jason scoop
Who am I really?
unidentified
Yeah.
jason scoop
Oh, you want me to break character already?
The guy you booked me, so I'm not sure.
Oh, I'm Jason Scoop.
Follow me.
Great to be here.
tim pool
I think everybody gets to see who you are.
You're a Donald Trump impersonator.
jason scoop
That's right.
Comedian, impersonator.
I do all the impressions.
jack posobiec
They may not realize.
We could have fooled them.
Yeah, exactly.
We could have done the whole episode that way.
Cut this out, cut it in post.
tim pool
People are gonna be sending messages.
jason scoop
Did you actually have Trump on Leslie?
Yeah, I do a bunch of impersonations, but Trump has certainly been um the most uh I would say lucrative and uh the one that's really you know put me on the map the most.
unidentified
What's the main tactic you do to get it?
jason scoop
Oh boy, I would just say practice makes perfect.
You know, um the I I do it so much, you know, I'm on cameo, so I'll do yeah, how many ever cameos a day?
And so really I just get better by accident.
tim pool
I think no matter I think you're starting to sound like Trump naturally.
jason scoop
I think so.
tim pool
Because you're getting too into it, and it's like you're forgetting how to be yourself.
jack posobiec
Where are you where are you from in the world?
jason scoop
Um, I grew up in Long Island in Levitown.
jack posobiec
See, there you go.
It's it's always people who are like from the area.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
Yeah, they can do the best.
tim pool
Uh, this is gonna be fun.
I'm as sure.
I'm sure it'll be funny.
But we got uh uh uh Jack's back.
jack posobiec
Jack Sobic, I have not left.
I'm still here.
Uh just again, really appreciate everyone coming in.
Ian didn't even realize you were here, did the show yesterday, but great pleasure.
Great to uh great to have you here, brother.
ian crossland
You too, man.
I've been thinking about you almost every day.
jack posobiec
Thank you, brother.
ian crossland
Literally a lot, man.
I love you, man.
jack posobiec
So I'm appreciating it.
ian crossland
Looking forward to working on here.
And I'm Ian Crossland.
tim pool
And uh Luke, of course, won't leave.
luke rudkowski
Uh we tried to even if I was, I'm not leaving.
Uh, the Russian tanker news is pretty crazy.
The US just announced that they're gonna be providing uh Ukraine intel for long-range missile strikes uh inside of Russia, so that's also happening, which is kind of troubling.
But anyway, Luk Rodowski, YouTube.com forward slash we are changed.
Jason is a great follow.
Oh, so I'm awesome to have all you guys here.
And uh Ian, good to see you too, man.
ian crossland
To Luke.
I love you too, man.
jack posobiec
You're okay.
ian crossland
We just met.
luke rudkowski
You're fine.
ian crossland
Tim, I love you the most.
Just kidding, man.
It's I don't know.
tim pool
You just kidding?
ian crossland
No, it's I love you all.
tim pool
All right, let's get to the story.
We have this from CNBC.
Fast money.
Traders talk Netflix shares dropping after Elon Musk tells people to cancel.
Now, with all due respect, it wasn't Elon who started the charge.
I don't I don't believe.
Many people were calling for the boycott of Netflix because there's a writer on a show, a children's show that's promoting trans ideology to kids, and this writer had disparaged Charlie Kirk.
Let's play this from uh from CNBC.
If we can.
unidentified
Welcome back to Fast Money.
Netflix shares falling over 2% today after Elon Musk urged his followers on X to cancel their subscriptions.
Musk taking issue with the presence of a transgender character on one of the streaming platform shows.
He posted cancel Netflix for the health of your kids this morning.
jack posobiec
Our Steve Kovac has more on all of this drama.
unidentified
Steve.
Oh boy, here we go.
Look at the power of an Elon Musk tweet, Mel, because the targeted rage of that tweet and of his fans and followers, they sent Netflix shares down two percent today after Mess spent part of his day tweeting about that Netflix show called Dead End Paranormal Park, which features a transgender character.
It's an animated show, by the way.
Now I think you guys can see where this is going.
Musk called on his followers to cancel Netflix and said he already did so himself.
He also criticized Netflix's DEI policies and pointed to it as another reason to cancel the service.
tim pool
There's also well I just want to add, uh as you know, Elon Musk tweets this.
I'm like, y'all still had Netflix.
So uh I canceled it a long time ago.
Remember when the cuties things happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I was just like, wow, I this is messed up.
jack posobiec
I've actually never had it.
tim pool
And they they they called the advertisement uh like a mistake.
They were like, oh yeah, it was an error that this bill, like this banner went out.
And then all these liberals were like, cuties was fine.
It was the the the post that went out for it was just a mistake.
Um and everyone was like, bro, the whole movie was children in adult themed content that's that's disgusting and wrong.
It was very strange that you know liberals gargling Tylenol is one thing, but defending Netflix over this content was nuts.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, at minimum, it was predator bait, and it was extremely disturbing.
I'm gonna take a bold move today, and I'm gonna announce that I'm gonna cancel the Netflix account of my friend who I'm stealing.
jack posobiec
Right now, that you are stealing Netflix from them.
unidentified
Sorry, uh you know, well, we we have a couple of quiz.
tim pool
I want to show you guys this one clip from one of their shows to give you an example of what what they're talking about.
This is actually an old clip.
This resulted in another canceling, but this is a children's show.
I believe – I could be wrong about an interracial gay couple who adopted a child, a little boy they want to be trans.
unidentified
*music*
How about you break out those moves for your two biggest fans?
Oh you're not sure what to choose.
Think about all the things you like to do.
Just be here.
Just be me.
Yep.
When you try and decide, think about all the things you like to do.
Just be you.
Just be me.
tim pool
You see, I'm of the mind that we need to tell kids what to do.
And it's a it's a weird reality.
This this, I guess there's another divergence between left and right.
I think you get it, yeah.
Your kid, you should you're hey, you're playing piano.
You're going to piano tutor, and they're gonna teach you how to play piano, and the kids are like, I don't want to play.
You're playing piano.
Like, you need to give your children discipline and make them do things that will be good for them in the future.
What the liberals have prescribed with this these Netflix shows, what Elon Musk is pointing out is they're saying you're a blank slate, figure it out yourself.
ian crossland
I think you need at least parameters because if you took a kid and put them in a uh a muddy pit with a bunch of worms, and you're like, you can do whatever you want.
The kid's gonna start eating worms, and that's gonna be his life because that's all there is available.
jack posobiec
So have we we haven't actually played the show that Elon's talking about, though, right?
tim pool
These are no let me let me search for that one.
jack posobiec
Yeah, because I want to put that one up.
But but no, uh you're both right.
I mean, Tim, you and I were saying earlier on on my show, it's like, well, what if you're you know, what if a kid came up and said, Well, I like to eat pennies, and I I really want to eat pennies, which by the way, kids will absolutely eat just anything that you leave out.
And Play Doh Tim, you're you're you're you're Tim.
By the way, you are getting to that point.
You're not there yet.
tim pool
Oh, no, we're there.
unidentified
Are you there?
jack posobiec
Oh, you're there, you are there.
tim pool
Passive fire that we have has one of those clips, doesn't fall on the ground.
And she flipped it around and started putting the clip in a couple of things.
jack posobiec
Okay, so you yeah, you can see what's coming.
ian crossland
You can learn so much from things by chewing on them.
jack posobiec
Which by the way, so you can tell by the way the age of someone's kids if they have in their house by like so when you have when your kids are little, then like all the stuff goes on the counters, but then eventually as they get bigger, then stuff has to go into the cabinets, and then eventually you just have to stick stuff on your ceiling because you know, and they're teenagers because they can't reach it otherwise.
No, it's it's it's what was the name of that show?
tim pool
Oh, here it is.
Here's a clip.
Here's the clip.
Let's play the clip.
jack posobiec
Dead end.
unidentified
It's not the park.
It's it's me.
I'm trans normal.
Cool knows, and everyone at home knows.
And being here, it's like a whole new place.
I can just be Barney, and I can choose if and when I tell people.
I've never been happier.
And that's saying something when I spent today chased by terrifying zombie mascots.
Bugsley reminded me of how important it is to live your life without apology.
So I think I gotta give Living Here a shot.
Don't you?
You don't need my permission.
I just wouldn't want Courtney as a roommate.
We'll be the master friends.
tim pool
So here's here's this show and the other show.
This one's targeting uh kids seven plus the other show is targeting like four or five-year-olds.
What?
There's another show that's going viral from Netflix about dinosaurs, and there's there's like a teenage lesbian romance in it abruptly and for no reason.
What's creepy about this is that parents think they're turning on that one is associated with an extremely famous franchise.
Was it Jurassic Jurassic Park?
Well, so here's what happens.
Parents go on Netflix and they see a show and it's like for your kids, dinosaurs.
And they go, hey, dinosaurs.
jack posobiec
Jurassic Park.
tim pool
And then basically what you know what they're doing.
This is like a family guy joke where it's literally a family guy joke, where Lois buys our buys some like therapy video for Peter, and she's like, We're gonna teach you how to be a better husband.
Is your wife gone?
Okay, let's do this.
And just pulling your clothes off.
This is what they're doing to kids.
They're saying, let's learn about dinosaurs.
Are your parents gone gone?
Okay, let's show the lesbian sex scene.
And it's like you're the parents leave their kids watching this and not realizing what Netflix is injecting into this.
jason scoop
And watching this made me think back about how susceptible I was as a kid.
I mean, you remember being like five or six, you know what I mean?
You have what your parents teach you, but then you go to school, some kid says something, the cool kid, and then you like adopt that ideology because he's the cool or she's the cool kid.
So um, yeah, I mean, I think this is uh this actually has a real life impact on children.
ian crossland
And you're like in your house, so there's that level of comfort where you're just writing all the data.
jack posobiec
100% I want to pull up because I believe there's another piece of this, and I I want to get the actual quotes because the creator of this show, in addition to this, also had been and it I I can see people talking about it.
Was celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk on his Blue Sky account, and saying, you know, I I want to get the actual, I don't know if it can say all of it, but you know, something along the lines of like he was a Nazi and he kind of he did uh that's it, you have it there.
And it's disgusting, and it's sick.
And you and you look at these horrible people, these absolute scum, and the things that they'll say after a man is brutally murdered, and so they'll turn around and they'll say, Oh, we need to be loving.
And you listen to the the words, the phraseology of the character in his show, the trans character.
We have to be loving, we have to be accepting, we have to be caring.
And it's like even what about Charlie Kirk?
He called Charlie Kirk a random Nazi.
tim pool
And and and not just that, but why are they so vile?
jack posobiec
I mean, like, we we understand the So but if you know what I mean, the dichotomy of when you be loving, you need to be accepting, except about those random Nazis like Charlie Kirk.
tim pool
But that's what I'm saying.
jack posobiec
Why would you even care?
tim pool
These people just go online and they just rage.
They're just angry all the time, screaming at the top of their lungs, and it's like, bro, chill, chill.
jack posobiec
And and this guy, by Alex Sense, I mean, he's he's got a show on Netflix, he's obviously quite successful to be able to do that.
You know, he's I mean, it doesn't look like a particularly interesting show.
The writing's pretty awful, the uh animation looked really cheesy.
tim pool
Netflix sucks.
jack posobiec
Like, right, so you but you'd think though, that if he's this full of rage and full of nihilism and full of resentment that, you know, at least by being successful enough to have a show on Netflix, you'd you'd perhaps you know think that the that the world has turned out for you.
No, I I understand what's going on, but I'm saying that a normal person would respond like, wow, I've got a show on Netflix.
That's awesome.
This is so cool.
tim pool
Let's try and sell the show to everyone.
jack posobiec
Let's let's let's talk about yeah, let's let's talk about how great the show is, and I want everyone to watch it.
jason scoop
And he's in the Hollywood bubble where everyone there thinks alike.
jack posobiec
And he knows no one he's not gonna face any repercussions for it.
tim pool
I don't think they think anything.
I think they think I'll just say what everyone else says.
It's very much like putting the the the blank black profile picture up when George Floyd died.
They don't know what's going on, someone just told them to do it so they did, and then you know, and they've got someone in their ear.
Right.
jack posobiec
They've got someone in their ear who's like, oh, this is a good thing.
This is a good move.
unidentified
You should you should do this.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, people need to understand Netflix is far more of a nefarious organization than a lot of people believe.
It was co-founded by the great nephew of Edward Bernays and Zygmunt Freud.
unidentified
Really?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
And it it is the propaganda machine of the establishment.
It uses subliminal messaging in order to propagandize people in such horrible, horrendous ways.
Every time there's a there's a uh bad black guy, they make him a white guy.
Every time there's a white good guy, they make him a black guy.
jack posobiec
Well, every one of Bernays himself is the founder of modern propaganda.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
But but but I'm gonna push back a little bit.
I blame conservatives a lot and hear me out.
We were just talking before the show.
I love playing these songs like uh Chopsui by System of It Down because Serge is literally singing the words of Jesus Christ.
And he's Christian.
Uh yeah.
And then you also have like a stone, which they're uh Armenian.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Uh and I and and my point is there are a lot of songs that conservatives don't realize that in the mainstream were very much pro-Christian, and they they've not they're not familiar with these songs or otherwise.
There was a show on Netflix called The Order, and it was a werewolf vampire show or something.
I haven't seen it in a long time.
They had two seasons, and it was about communist professors being evil villains and we're the bad guys.
luke rudkowski
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, legit.
Watch the show.
And I was shocked.
In season two, there is a communist professor, literally with like a communist book at a communist books on his bookshelf.
And he's I forgot what it was, but he's like, he's the villain who's trying to usurp the power of these like mystical, you know, college students or whatever.
They canceled the show because nobody watched it.
And I thought the show was fun.
I was like, look at this, they finally have a villain who's a Marxist college professor.
The problem is, like with I I I I referenced Captain America, the first Avenger movie all the time.
I'm like, guys, you had a movie that was about a uh a scrawny young man who was so desperate to join the military, he lied seven times to get in, and he fights for America.
jack posobiec
And his name is literally Captain America.
tim pool
Captain America.
I'm like, shouldn't conservatives have been like this is the greatest, and he's a Christian too.
In in the MCU, he literally makes a reference to this.
He says there's only one God, ma'am, in the Avengers movie.
Why weren't conservatives lifting that up?
Instead, I think they took for granted what was, because so much of our culture was just an overtly Christian theme, that when it fell off, they got mad about it, complained about content they didn't like, but never propped at the content they did.
ian crossland
There was like a backlash in the 80s against Christianity because there was this overcompensation from my perspective, being born in 79, where they were like trying to ban Dungeons and Dragons and get the F-word taken out of music.
So people kind of revolted against it.
And I think that was lingering to the point where people were so distanced from it.
But one of the things I love about Catholicism, and I'll I I'm not a Catholic person, but you are practicing Catholic jacket.
I want to ask you more about this, is like they would force people to repeat the seven virtues.
Maybe daily, if not weekly.
And so they're always remembering these seven important ways to be.
And then now that we have a free speech society without compelled speech, we don't force anyone to say anything.
jack posobiec
And well, it was I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily say forced, but you know, it it's it's more along the line.
So this is a big issue between like Protestants and Catholics, where you know, so yo, Catholics famously, of course, we have our rosary, right?
Here it is.
And and they'll say they'll say, Oh, those are vain repetitions.
So a Protestant will say, Well, that's a vain repetition, and you should just pray from the heart, pray directly to Jesus.
And we're we're we're we'll what we would say is, well, wait a minute, you know, these are the words of the Bible, these are words directly from the Bible, and by saying them over and over, these say we believe the prayers are sacred as well, so that when you say them uh in in tune, you're giving that to God.
And so it's it's more like it's but a Protestant would come in and say, Oh, well, that's just a repetition, but it's not vain, and that's that's the key difference.
It's not vain at all.
tim pool
Do you ever we're gonna we're gonna jump to the story from Variety?
Trump's ice agents will be at Super Bowl for Bad Bunnies halftime show.
It's so shameful they picked someone who seems to hate America.
Now, this is why it's funny.
Conservatives got really angry that Bad Bunny was gonna be performing the halftime show.
You know, even speaking English, he's leftist.
He's got videos of him in drag and other things like that.
And he's even stated he won't do U.S. tours because he's he's fearful ice will show up at his events.
So now they've announced they will be at his event.
The question is, is he gonna panic and cancel out of fear that they might actually do something?
jack posobiec
Well, by the way, doesn't I always come to Super Bowls in general?
Because there's always huge issues with like uh uh human trafficking and prostitution and you know, enforcement in general and all of this.
And right, as just you you are gonna need extra law enforcement from and homemade security because Super Bowl is of course a tier one event from a security perspective.
We obviously just held a tier one event here.
That's why I'm kind of it's fresh on my mind, uh, up at Phoenix, which we were told had higher security than the Super Bowl because the president being there and all the Secret Service, even though the president, I know he attended last year at the Super Bowl, so you he may have uh he may attend again.
Uh hopefully when my Eagles are there.
And um the, you know, it's it's it's just very common to see extra agencies augment in cases like this.
I hope they go.
I mean, they should deport him too.
tim pool
Uh they're they're they're definitely gonna be there because it's not hard to be there.
Law enforcement is gonna be there.
They do security for these events, especially the Super Bowl.
I'm I I'm assuming Trump will be there as well.
And I don't know why he wouldn't go.
I mean, well, actually, he was like the first president a long time who went, right?
jack posobiec
The first sitting, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jason scoop
It was a great game.
unidentified
Great game.
jack posobiec
How was it, Mr. President?
Did you like it?
jason scoop
It was fantastic, right?
tim pool
Indeed.
Are you going to deport Bad Bunny, sir?
jason scoop
Well, well, oh, now I'm now going back to myself.
Well, we're looking into him.
We're looking into him very strongly, but I'll be Jason again.
Didn't somebody say he doesn't even uh sing songs in English?
jack posobiec
He does not.
tim pool
Yeah, he doesn't.
Oh, he's Porter Rican.
jason scoop
I'll take the wig off of it.
unidentified
Oh, hey.
jason scoop
Yeah, it's all blonde anyway.
unidentified
So does Bad Bunny guy is he Puerto Rican?
jack posobiec
Yes, he is.
ian crossland
He's okay.
He's a citizen.
jason scoop
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
But so if he's not doing shows in the US, where is he doing shows?
jack posobiec
Latin America mainly.
So his fan base is so the the whole goal here is a marketing strategy.
And so uh Jay-Z controls the Super Bowl selection, halftime, halftime show selection process through his company Rock Nation.
Jay-Z, of course, being best friends with Barack Obama.
We were just talking about Netflix and the propaganda there.
And obviously, Netflix has signed huge deals with the Obama family uh to be producers on all this all this random stuff and predictive programming.
So Jay-Z being good friends with him.
So you just saw Bad Bunny where he was inserted into the Netflix sequel of Happy Gilmore 2.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And suddenly this guy that, you know, the the English speaking art world just is not familiar with suddenly Adam Sandler's caddy.
And the goal is it, and it's meant to be this sort of culture jamming, and it's very corporate and very obvious, where they're saying, Hey, uh white people like Adam Sandler and Hispanics love Bad Bunny.
We're gonna put him together.
And you're no they're doing the exact same thing with the Super Bowl.
unidentified
He was I didn't even know or care or I'm pretty sure he was the caddy, yeah.
tim pool
I didn't recognize I didn't even recognize like I didn't realize he was in that movie.
jack posobiec
I could double check it out.
Because that's how I heard his name before because I remember watching it and looking, I was like, who is this guy?
Like he's this huge role, and I'm like, Bad Bunny, like what is that?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, the guy earned his spot.
I mean, he he he did the humiliation rituals, he dressed up in the dresses, he deserves to be the satanic dresses.
We deserve a demonic Illuminati drag show.
Okay, we need one necessary.
I mean, bring it back, please, for the conspiracy theories.
I'm gonna make so many videos about this.
Please make it as as demonic.
I know and also bring out Baphomet, like child sacrifices.
Let's do it.
tim pool
Since since Trump got back, Luke, you've been starving for content.
jack posobiec
Yes.
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
No, not really.
The Epstein stuff has kept me pretty busy.
jason scoop
So did anyone like that movie?
I thought it was horrible.
Happy Gilmore 2.
jack posobiec
I didn't see that had some good moments.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna crap on it, had some moments, but it was in general pretty bad.
jason scoop
Yeah.
tim pool
I yeah, it was it was not good.
It was it was hey, look at me.
Look at you know, Happy Gilmore.
Remember Happy Gilmore guys?
And they kept doing flashbacks in the movie.
I was just like, okay, we get it.
I've seen it.
ian crossland
Did they just do clips from the first movie?
tim pool
Yeah, they did over and over again.
unidentified
Yeah, that's what it was.
luke rudkowski
I haven't watched it.
It was on Netflix.
I didn't steal my friends' account.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Here's this is a big question, though.
I mean, we've seen with with Netflix with Disney and Jimmy Kimmel with Bad Bunny.
Look, we've got uh tremendous victories in the culture war.
But they're still holding on.
Woke is is still has its presence in these industries.
What do we have to do to route wokeness and get it to finally back off?
ian crossland
Make sure that we don't become a communist technocracy because if we if our government falls into comedy question, yes, I understand.
Otherwise, it's just gonna happen.
We're just gonna resist.
The question is how do we like do it?
Just be yourself, keep doing this, just be you.
jack posobiec
Tim's already it's very clear to me what must be done here is that Turning Point USA needs to host a counter-programmed halftime show starring the only sincere band that has kept going with a fully Christian theme, as you say.
Celine Dion from day one, no, American band, American.
Get that Canadian nonsense out of here, Luke.
I'm talking about Creed.
I'm talking about Scotstapp.
I'm talking about taking this entire country higher to a place with golden streets.
tim pool
Where blind men see.
jack posobiec
You guys talk about that men see.
I think on your show today on Charlie's show, when you guys were so Tim, in all seriousness, that clip has gone mega viral.
tim pool
Did you tweet it?
jack posobiec
I did tweet it.
Uh Andrew tweeted it out as the like official spokesman of Turning Point.
And now the media, there has been a frenzy of media requests as well as like Sponsors and donors and all sorts of people and other artists, uh, Christian artists.
tim pool
1.6 million.
jack posobiec
Yeah, 1.6 million views.
Um, and no, I had no authorization whatsoever to start talking about.
tim pool
It's gotta happen, man.
jack posobiec
That is, and now it's like do you do this for concept?
tim pool
Do you do it at the same time as the official halftime show?
unidentified
Yes.
jack posobiec
Same time as the official show.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So like we could watch football and then change the channel, watch Creed.
jack posobiec
Well, we do like a live stream or like maybe do a partnership with like one of the channels that um I'm talking, man.
I am not saying that there have been conversations about uh this earlier today in this building, but uh, you know, it's it seems to have taken on a life of its own.
tim pool
I wouldn't I wouldn't pay money to see that.
ian crossland
Dude, the last two years we came to turning point for Amfest, I've wanted to play that stage.
It's it's destined for music.
jack posobiec
There's integration.
tim pool
And that's that's all that anybody wanted is to see Ian open for.
ian crossland
We got songs that we like are partially rehearsed.
But it's harder.
Some of that, like the audience is hungry for that energy.
It and it deserves it.
You know, politics is a little dry sometimes.
tim pool
So it's good to get Ian means to play with the case.
jack posobiec
No, but you know, but you know why do you know why Creed is the only band from that era that that has like resurged the way that they have and is and it's because of sincerity because we've moved past postmodernism.
So postmodern music was all this like it was like super ironic and just like very biting and very sarcastic.
But I believe we've actually moved past postmodernism into meta modernism.
tim pool
I think Jack's friends with Scott Stabb.
jack posobiec
And and so, no, no, I've never spoken with him.
ian crossland
How do you define metamodernism?
jack posobiec
So metamodernism is so mod modernity was this sort of like I'm genuine, like like Captain America, like I love America, I love my country, blah, blah, blah.
But then postmodernism comes in and was like, well, did you know about 1619?
What about slavery?
What about this?
What about that?
And then, and then metamodernism comes in and is like, you know what?
I love my country, and I don't care what you say about that stuff.
So it's like it's like you're combining the sincerity with the irony, and sometimes you're even being ironically sincere.
And you see this a lot with like JD Vance memes or like even like the modern crop of Trump memes, where it's like, is this an anti-meme or a or a pro meme?
It's a pro meme.
But aren't you kind of laughing?
Yes.
tim pool
Sombrero.
jack posobiec
Yeah, this with so we made a meme of like JD Vance and a Cerbrero and a mustache today.
You're like, are you mocking him?
No, we love it.
ian crossland
Gavin McGee or Gavin Newsom was getting him elected.
jack posobiec
But do you get what I'm saying?
It's meta modernism.
ian crossland
Well, so what's happening is you got you got modernism, then meta then uh postmodernism is like the good guy's actually the bad guy.
And then post and then meta modernism is like, and I don't care.
jack posobiec
Exactly.
ian crossland
He's still the good guy.
unidentified
Yes.
jack posobiec
So you you you incorporate the irony into the genuine love for the thing you have.
And so the core of this, the key of this, and this is what what Gen Z has been searching for, and this is why Gen Z, um, I don't think I say they're like embracing creed, but like one thing in general I see with a lot of Gen Z left and right, is they want sincerity.
Yeah, they want actual genuine sincerity.
And it's like even if you don't agree with Scott Sapp, if you're not Christian, you know that guy is sincere.
What that guy 100% believes what he says.
tim pool
With with AI video getting crazier and crazier every single day, the new Sora 2 stuff that's coming out is nuts.
These there are a lot of young people growing up online where everyone's faking everything all the time.
unidentified
Yep.
jack posobiec
Right, and they just want something real.
So this is why, like, unfortunately, uh, this is and I I've talked about this before, but unfortunately, so like in on the right, that's why you're seeing this huge revival.
You're seeing this huge turn towards even like traditional orthodox versions of Christianity.
So, you know, if I'm going Catholic, I want Latin mass, I want the full thing, extraordinary form, um, Christianity, we're gonna orthodox, you know.
If if I'm going evangelical, I want like the most Bible-based church pastor that I can find.
And unfortunately, on the left, that pushes you towards violence and the most extreme types of violence.
unidentified
Yep.
jack posobiec
Oh, this is why you would then so what's the most extreme type of violence?
Is it marching around and holding placards like millennials would?
No, because that's like made for TV, so the technology is different now.
So they like they don't want to do that.
Smashing up a Starbucks, who cares?
That's just a Starbucks.
Unfortunately, this these types of pressures and this type of uh social tendency and social condition will lead you towards murder and assassination.
ian crossland
Is that because meta modernism can go too far?
Like because like the punisher, he is kind of a villain, but or or like Dr. Doom's actually a lovable villain, but like isn't it just yeah?
It's important to know, like they were still villainous.
jack posobiec
Well, no, no, it's it's not anti-hero is a different thing.
Anti-hero is a different thing.
It's like it's like you'd like Superman, but then okay, but Superman also destroys the city, right?
That's the postmodernist take on Superman, he destroys the city.
And it's like when this one comes in, like, I love Superman.
ian crossland
There's got to be a a thread between the villain, the good guy's actually the bad guy, and then the next step of I don't care, I'm still gonna be him.
Because if he's actually the bad guy, you don't want to like really become the bad guy, even if he's like a good guy, bad guy.
jack posobiec
No, you don't, but it's it's also it's it's it's seeing postmodernism face on and saying it's worth it.
ian crossland
And the people that are in the postmodernist brainwash don't realize that he was never actually a postmodernism is so that midwits can be convinced to do evil.
jack posobiec
Yes.
That's that's so like pretty much it.
And and I hate I hate having you know written about this and and talked about this, and now you know it's like now I find myself in this situation where like I'm I'm like living part of it in a sense, like what happened to Charlie, because you you talk about online culture,
you talk about all of these extreme internet-based identities and things, and that's and when you look at I mean this guy was you know, this kid was on the roof, was into like furry porn and was just like LARPing and uh just just super extreme behavior, but in the opposite direction.
tim pool
We do have good news.
I want to jump to this story from the AP.
Democrats wary support may be sliding among typically loyal voters in New Jersey's governor's race.
This is big.
It appears that Republicans are becoming competitive in New Jersey.
Now check this out.
We have this from Call Shi, and it does look like bad news at first.
Call Shea tweets out breaking there's a 72% chance Democrats sweep and win all four key elections in November.
The first thing I'll say, shout out to Call Shi for sponsoring this segment.
But beyond that, the New York mayor election will of course a Democrat's gonna win that.
I mean, it may be a good thing.
jack posobiec
Maybe the question is which Democrat.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Now, where it gets interesting is Virginia governor, 94% chance, we get it.
Virginia House of Delegates, we get it.
New Jersey governor winner.
When they posted this was 78%.
Check this out.
We pull it up right now, and it's now oh, it went back.
Wait, wait, it went back to 78?
Okay, it popped back up.
Briefly dipped down.
But the trend line is what we're looking at.
Republicans are actually making gains in the prediction market.
And there's there's actually a big push now.
I think uh Scott Pressler was talking about this.
Going to New Jersey and making a big push because it's actually possible the Republican can win the governor race.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so and if you pull up, I don't know if Kalski has a way to incorporate the most recent polls.
Um, that's you know, Call She, if you're listening, that would be a great, a great data set for you.
But there have been uh I believe three polls in a row now, separately taken of New Jersey that have the Republican um Jack Chiatarelli in with with either tied or within the margin of error in New Jersey, which is typically considered a solid blue state.
But I was doing a little digging on this, and you know, I'm from the Philadelphia area, so I'm generally familiar with New Jersey, and I remember when Chris Christie won in 2009 as a Republican.
That in the 2024 electoral race, New Jersey swung red and swung red in almost every single county of the state.
So the movement is there, the candidates are there.
Her candidacy is awful.
She's the Kamala Harris of New Jersey.
tim pool
You see that you said that that stock video?
jack posobiec
The stock Charlie, we gotta find play that video for the city.
tim pool
Yeah, let's let me pull that one up.
jack posobiec
And I'll just add that that so if you if you look at the actual mechanics of this race and the conditions on the ground, red jersey is possible.
Red jersey is absolutely possible, and then you combine that with just this outpouring that's happened in the wake of Charlie's murder.
I don't know.
tim pool
Let's let's play this possible.
This is this is a Democrat.
unidentified
So when Newsmax claims that you made $7 million from stock trade, what are they talking about?
News Max is first of all a very questionable organization that is.
I'm not sure what they're talking about now.
Well, did you make seven million in stock trades at all?
I I haven't I I don't believe I did, but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to again, what kind of came from so when Newsmax claimed that you made it, you know.
tim pool
Listen, there's two things like that.
jason scoop
This is this is someone's lying, they don't answer the question.
tim pool
But but but also listen, let's set politics aside.
If you're not capable of handling the heat, get out of the kitchen.
ian crossland
Yeah, at least first thing is like, I don't know.
I don't gotta look.
If she really didn't know, I should just said that right off the bat.
unidentified
She knows she's well.
jack posobiec
This has been this is all over the media.
This is this is like when you're going, okay.
So as a guy who used to work on campaigns, right?
You know, you know what your candidate is gonna be asked before you go up on a show, especially like the Breakfast Club, especially a show like that.
So you would prep them if you have a good team.
Like this just shows how really bad of a candidate she is, that your team would be sitting around and saying, okay, we know this is out there, we know this is in the media, uh, we know Charlemagne's probably gonna bring this up, and here's what we're gonna say.
tim pool
It's an Aleppo moment.
jack posobiec
Yeah, no, it's Aleppo, yeah.
tim pool
Listen, what is Aleppo?
Whether you're guilty or innocent, you need to be able to respond, and you know they're gonna ask.
jack posobiec
No, no, no, it's it's worse than an Aleppo.
It's worse than Aleppo because it's it's it no, because this is a personal thing.
This is a personal issue that she was involved in.
It has been a huge uh issue, and uh call a celeb on the left, by the way, from AOC talking about the personal stock trading of congressional insiders.
tim pool
I I want to test Jason's metal, okay.
I would like for you to impersonate Donald Trump being asked about Aleppo, but the the context is you don't know what Aleppo is.
How would Trump answer it?
jason scoop
Well, look, when you when you look at Aleppo, and a lot of people are talking about Aleppo, a lot of very smart people with big beautiful brains, very respectable people, right?
And uh I can tell you that I've looked into Aleppo, and uh it's it's it's a very interesting thing.
Okay.
There you go.
tim pool
But but Mr. Ms. Mr. President, the question is what would you do?
jason scoop
Excuse me.
You're being rude.
You're being very rude.
Nasty guy, nasty guy.
jack posobiec
And uh say something bean easy.
tim pool
And then what he would do is he'd say, we gotta talk about jobs.
We need you know what?
jason scoop
Aleppo, forget Aleppo.
What about the Laboo Boos?
Have you heard about these dogs?
Have you heard about these dolls?
A lot more interesting than Aleppo.
Aleppo's a little boring if you want to know the truth.
But uh yeah, you pivot that's you gotta pivot.
jack posobiec
But Mr. President, there's so many people dying in Aleppo.
jason scoop
Yeah, look.
Look, Jack, Jack, this is a nasty world.
unidentified
People are dying all over the place if you want to know the truth.
tim pool
The the the brilliance of Trump.
He knows how to handle the media.
If he's ever asked about something he doesn't know, he'll pivot to something he does.
And that was really great.
He said, You're being a nasty guy.
Yeah, he'd say that.
Well, just completely change like when um and you'll go, why won't you talk about immigration?
This is what Americans want to talk about, not Aleppo.
jason scoop
Or at one of the debates like 10 years ago, the guy was like, uh, it was sort of a gotcha question.
And he goes, Well, somebody came on my show and said this, and he goes, Well, first off, nobody watches your show.
And then everybody laughed at the joke and totally forgot about the gotcha question.
jack posobiec
When my my uh Scott Adams gave this analysis of his uh famous Rosie O'Donnell answer, which I think really something that you know, just everybody remembers.
You know, he gets this question you've called women fat pigs, and you've called women this, and he goes, uh well, you know, the line.
jason scoop
Only Rosie O'Donnell.
jack posobiec
And then the crowd goes nuts because think of it.
Before she finishes the question, she he has he has assessed where she's going with this.
He's he and he's signaled out not just on a target that everyone's gonna think is funny, but all and think of this.
He was supposed he's well, who is he trying to do at the time?
Burnish his credentials among a Republican primary audience because people were saying, Oh, is he a Clinton plant?
He's not really a conservative, what's this?
So he picked a target that he knew would ingratiate himself with his audience that they would love.
And I mean, it he did all of that in a fraction of a second.
tim pool
What you need for this uh Mickey Sherrill thing is to play up these kinds of elitist gaffes.
jack posobiec
She sounds terrible, by the way.
Where's the charisma?
tim pool
She so there's the two issues here is is she another crony just using DC to make herself rich?
And she really looks guilty when asked this because she didn't even have an excuse prepared.
So again, guilty on the stock thing, incapable of handling harsh political circumstances.
jason scoop
And her body language is terrible.
jack posobiec
The body language is awful.
tim pool
Um, well, newsmax is um uh question.
jack posobiec
And and by the way, I don't know if they asked her as well.
So the other big uh she has another big scandal as well, and this is the Navy cheating scandal.
So in 1994 uh at the Navy Academy, there was this huge uh scandal of of cheating, particularly on this one engineering uh course, which which is known as no, I was uh I'm a former Navy officer, but I wasn't academy.
Um, but this just it's so big that everybody knows about it.
It's like every time you take a course in the Navy, like we don't need another uh 94, it's like that and tail hook are the two things.
And um she and her husband were all were both involved in this thing, and they weren't able to prove like that she directly cheated, so they couldn't get her out, but they didn't let her walk at graduation.
tim pool
Because she was involved, I I forgot what it was, so I I probably I'm getting this wrong, but it was something about she would not provide like she knew who did.
jack posobiec
Well, see, here's the thing though, is sh her records are sealed and she won't release them.
So I think that's a talking point that she's like, oh well, I just wouldn't let them, you know, it just wouldn't dime out my my buddies, and it's like, okay, well then release the records, Mickey.
Just release the records.
If there's if there's nothing to worry about, release the records.
tim pool
There's there's one simple phenomenon that we can point to that just breaks down Democrats and Republicans.
Bill Maher said he could not book prominent Democrats on his own show, and he votes and supports votes for these people and supports them.
But conservatives want to come on even though they disagree.
When we try booking liberals, do you know what the first response we usually get is?
jack posobiec
What?
tim pool
How much?
jack posobiec
Seriously?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
And it's either they'll ignore us or they'll say, My fee is X. Do you know what conservatives say when we reach out to them?
Doesn't matter.
They reach out to us.
They won't stop knocking on our door.
They say, We want to come and we want to share these ideas.
Because the right is saying we want to debate this and make the country better.
jack posobiec
Sometimes we'll even host you in our buildings.
tim pool
I know.
They're like, Tim, come to Arizona.
I'm like, it's really hard.
No, we'll we'll figure it out for you.
We'll get you here.
And then Democrats are like, it's gonna cost you this much.
I'll only do it for this amount of time.
And that I really think it's the nail on the head with the hammer with why people like this are running for office.
It's a means to get rich and put a name in the history books.
Whereas the Republicans are like, I want to help my community.
ian crossland
I'm not super classist, I'm not a Marxist, but there's something about this elitist class of people that are mooching off the monetary supply by printing fiat and then it's sucked in the system.
jack posobiec
The Democratic Party.
If you're a parasitic elitist, right, then that's not being, you know, it's not communist to call that out and say you are not producing anything for like I don't want to overthrow it.
ian crossland
That's what Marx would have done.
jack posobiec
If you actually have elite Elon Musk, he has elite talent.
Like everyone, like by every definition of the word, he is an elite, right?
But he's not like this.
jason scoop
Also, Marr gave uh Obama a million dollars.
Obama never invited him to the White House.
jack posobiec
Amazing.
jason scoop
Trump.
Wow, he bashed Trump for years.
Trump said, Come on over, let's talk.
jack posobiec
That's right.
They had dinner.
ian crossland
There's this idea that may like like money is what's gonna win you the game, the the election, the everything.
jack posobiec
Because that's what it's all about for them.
ian crossland
And that's what they have access to.
And in the the the Republican Party, it's about charisma and about like intelligence.
Like you have to actually do something valuable to get or at least get people's attention.
jack posobiec
Joe Biden once mentioned that when he first be, you know, was installed as president in in I guess 2021, then he was doing this tour of the residence.
He mentioned something in this one interview that has always struck me because and stayed with me because he said, Oh, this is the first time I've seen the residents.
I was like, wait a minute.
W weren't you the vice president for eight years?
So for all of those eight years, Barack Obama never once invited him to like the private areas of the White House where the where the family lives for like a cup of coffee or share a dinner or something.
That's how bad it was inside the White House for those years.
So remember the the publicly it was the bromance, and they're like jogging together with their little friendship bracelets.
It was all fake.
ian crossland
Dude, do you know that Obama quote never underestimate Joe's ability to F shit up?
jack posobiec
Whatever, no, it's actually 100% true.
100% true.
unidentified
No, bedroom.
jason scoop
Come on, man.
He's like peeing on the bushes.
unidentified
How did that guy?
ian crossland
This is a whole other thing.
How did Biden even get selected?
tim pool
I mean the autopen.
How did the auto pen get selected?
No, the autopen got selected.
Yeah, because anyone can press go.
ian crossland
So the go button.
jack posobiec
Because they wanted someone they could control.
ian crossland
That was it.
jack posobiec
They wanted someone they could control.
tim pool
Well, Joe always wanted to be president, and they were like, you'll get your chance.
ian crossland
So Obama was a little too unknown.
They didn't know if they could quite control Obama, so they plugged Joe in to make sure they could control it.
jack posobiec
I really I mean, for a lot of reasons, I think 2020 was a fluke.
I don't think they ever actually expected Joe to be president.
I don't think that was ever part of the plan.
I think that I don't know about that.
I I I think it became the plan.
tim pool
Universal mail.
Yeah, okay.
jack posobiec
You know what I'm saying?
I'm saying like in 2019.
ian crossland
Right, right.
jack posobiec
Nobody, you know, prior to Booty Judge would stand out.
The COVID thing prior to the that operation getting launched that you know everybody thought that like okay, because Trump was it if you go back to 2019, Trump was a shoe-in for re-election.
He was extremely popular.
The economy is going really well.
And no real big like Gavin Newsom didn't try to challenge him.
By the way, unseating a sitting president is almost impossible in American politics.
And uh Trump not only unseated, by the way, when he came back, he not only unseated a sitting president, but he also defeated the vice president too.
So you he won twice in the same year, which no one has ever done before.
And and remember it was Barack Obama who pulled the plug on Joe Biden uh after the debate, saying, you know, call went around and called the donors and said, Joe, you then.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the post-millennial.
FBI drops ADL partnership in split from Colly's playbook.
That era is finished.
This FBI formally rejects Comey's policies and any paid partnership with the ADL.
Okay, first and foremost, Cash didn't know about this until Twitter put I okay.
I don't know that for sure.
But people started tweeting hey, look at this old tweet where the FBI has a partnership with the ADL.
All of a sudden Cash is like, no way, shut it down.
I don't think Cash actually knew they were doing this.
jack posobiec
This this all started with Periabasi.
Uh got shout out to Periabasi on Twitter, uh the great Pericles of Chicago, where he pulled up the fact that turning point USA, even in the wake of the insane political murder of Charlie Kirk, was still listed by the ADL as an extremist hate group.
tim pool
Yep.
jack posobiec
And then it's crazy.
tim pool
Did you know that almost every single number was was considered racist?
I am not exaggerating.
jack posobiec
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
It was a meaning more.
jack posobiec
In the old glossary, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you'd go to the ADL glossary and you type in one, it'd be like the number one is a racist.
jack posobiec
The number one is racist conversations.
luke rudkowski
The okay, we do the okay side.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
But but I I understand that they try to put shoehorn in weird symbols, but literally saying the numbers one through ninety are racist, you're just like wasn't 311 like oh yeah.
jack posobiec
Like 311 was a thing.
That was that always made me laugh because it's like his fist on the table.
Yeah, you're like, like, so I like 311.
Whoa.
tim pool
And uh You're like, I just I just like listening to this music, man.
Why are you yelling?
jack posobiec
And so that that started, but Perry Abbassi, what he did looking that up, just started this ball rolling uh because he's just posting, right?
Literally just posting, and then Elon hits it, and then it starts getting bigger, and then the ADL has to take down their glossary, which happened.
We we broke the news yesterday here on the show.
And and then today, boom, Cassio's wait, there's a partnership with those numbskulls.
tim pool
No, ADL was training FB agents.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but they also have a partnership with YouTube and PayPal.
PayPal was deciding that's way more going to be debanked and and who was going to have an account based on what the ADL was telling them to do, as they were literally just celebrating uh the deplatforming of Alex Jones.
So this is a a censorship type of organization that has bullied organizations and institutions and has clearly violated the first amendment.
There should be federal charges by the federal government against the ADL.
jason scoop
Now, if Cash is the head of the FBI and he just found out about this, how much how much is going on behind his back?
unidentified
You know, on a regular basis, deep statey type stuff that uh that the head 98% more, probably I would I would imagine like that they'd probably keep the FBI head on a leash.
ian crossland
I mean, J. Edgar Hoover was like the guy that had compromised on everybody, and this current administration does not seem to be interested in gaining compramat on people, or if they do, they don't want to talk about it.
jason scoop
We need another J. Edgar Hoover.
ian crossland
That's that was like the Epstein thing.
They were like hoovering people with uh Gilane Maxwell was playing Hoover for her daddy.
tim pool
I'm getting real close to just uh re-uploading our episode with uh Joe Rogan and Alex Jones because they claimed that oh yeah, we're gonna review these they're paying Trump 25 million YouTube, and they're claiming that they're gonna uncensor all these things.
And three years after we did the episode with Rogan, Luke, Alex Jones, Blair White, Drew Hernandez, Ian, I mean it was a it was a massive show.
They took it down, citing some nebulous medical misinformation.
It's still down today, even though they've already announced they'd be reversing this, and I've appealed it over and over and over again.
I'm getting real close to being like, I'm just gonna re-play the whole thing.
Just re-block it straight up.
There you go.
luke rudkowski
Is it on Rumble or it was our biggest show?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Uh actually it was the time now.
The episode we did with Darren Beattie is the biggest show we've ever done.
I don't know why, Darren.
I don't I don't know why, but we did a show with him, it has like 10 or 11 million views.
ian crossland
He's got that Midas touch.
tim pool
he does.
Well, you know what I think it was is it was something contextual at the time that we were talking about that was big, and he shared it with his network, and then it ended up taking off on Rumble.
ian crossland
What's the history of the ADL?
Like who funds it, who started it, and why?
Do you think it's no?
luke rudkowski
That's anti-Semitic.
ian crossland
Is it off the top of your head?
Was it an anti-banking Israeli uh company?
tim pool
Or was it well I don't know I don't know I don't know about that?
ian crossland
Is it like secret?
jack posobiec
So it was it was it was American, it was it was it was started in in the South uh over a a disputed case uh involving an individual named Leo Frank, um who you know they claim was lynched for uh anti-Semitic purposes.
luke rudkowski
Um but he was accused of hurting a 13-year-old child.
jack posobiec
Yes, that's right.
Yeah.
And um the ADL was sort of born in in a very similar vein to the SPLC um based in the South at that time.
Um it was ADL was earlier, and as a way for uh purportedly for uh Jews and Jewish groups to be able to defend themselves both legally and in the public sphere.
unidentified
Yeah, he was convicted by a jury of Leo Frank.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he was convicted by a jury of forcing himself and and taking the life of a 13-year-old girl.
Oh my yeah, yikes Leo Leo Frank.
tim pool
It's called the anti-defamation league, but it's funny because liberals like to put anti in front of the things they do.
So when they're like, I'm anti-racist, let's segregate races.
You're like, what?
Like, I'm anti-fascist, let's brutally beat people who disagree with us.
And then the ADL is like, we're anti-defamation.
Let's smear and defame tons of people.
ian crossland
I'm just thinking about that anti-communist.
Where is he right now?
Are you not a communist?
tim pool
I mean, by this logic, he's basically saying he's a communist now.
ian crossland
I hope you're not.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the funny thing.
It's like, let's call ourselves anti whatever it is we do, and then people will be like, We're anti-fascist.
jack posobiec
It's just anti-defamation.
ian crossland
It's like a lazy sledgehammer, man.
It does nothing.
jason scoop
Now, is it like a like an Al Sharpton type of operation where it's like, we'll go after Pepsi and call Pepsi racist unless you donate, you know, 500K Pepsi.
jack posobiec
It very much became that.
Yes.
tim pool
Pepsi is very racist unless they give turning point one million dollars.
luke rudkowski
And we are changed uh five thousand dollars.
jack posobiec
So I'm trying to I was trying to pull up my old tweets about this, but the the ADL at one point, and this this is recently that this came up within the last couple of years, they had a a definition of racism that was ripped straight from uh critical race theory where they were basically saying that that race the definition you looked up the definition of racism on the ADL's website, it said a system of privileges that benefit white people.
tim pool
Well, I think so.
jack posobiec
Basically, you only white people could be racist.
tim pool
There was some controversy because it they they had some definition of racism that was woke that also insulted Jews in some way or something.
jack posobiec
And I think Yeah, that's I'm trying to pull up because I remember that too.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Where people are like, hey, doesn't this apply to Israel and Jews?
jack posobiec
And they defended it real quick.
And then they had to do an interim definition of racism, which I just thought was so funny.
It's an interim.
It's like you guys are supposed to be the experts on this.
You're training the FBI.
You're working with local law enforcement.
You've been working with homeland security.
So what what they need to do is all of these groups, the ADL, the SPLC, uh, whatever, you know, little acronym organization they come up with, they need to be shunned, they need to be ostracized, they need to be kicked out of society.
Uh, it is groups like this that turned that again, put turning point USA on their hate maps, put them on the list.
This led to the smearing, censorship, canceling, ostracision, uh, and by the way, do they try to use state power to take down this organization?
The FBI placed this under or under uh investigation last year.
We're still getting the receipts on that.
And then ultimately, what and then ultimately when all of that failed, somebody took a shot at Charlie Kirk and killed him.
And it all has to go.
It all has to go away.
We have to stop this, we have to stop it now.
tim pool
I think it's gonna get worse.
I I'm I'm I'm kind of at my wits and I'm trying to be everyone's being very diplomatic.
They are trying not to shock or offend.
And I'm kind of like, let's let's let's uh remove that veil.
I I think it's fine to be professional and not antagonistic, but I'm done being overly diplomatic to protect the feelings of other people.
I think it's important that we just say what we think about what people are doing.
That being said, there are a lot of people that I think are ignoring the scope of this problem.
There are a lot of prominent individuals that you know uh to get specific, Dana White, we talked about this this morning where he said.
jack posobiec
I I went actually when you got off the show, I kind of went off my last segment.
tim pool
Right.
I don't I don't want to.
jack posobiec
I don't want to get into it, but it's like people seem to wake up.
People seem to wait, and Joe Rogan saying he was he was shocked, you know, and it it's guys, it's very urgent.
It's urgent.
Luke points up to urgent situations.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, well, he during the the moment that it happened, he was interviewing Charlie Sheen.
And during that moment, he even said himself, like people are probably gonna celebrate this.
tim pool
So he's what what is the now saying I I'm shocked that this is this is happening.
jack posobiec
And he was bigger than he thought, I guess.
I don't know.
tim pool
You know, I I will cut him some slack in that I I think it's fair.
I said I was surprised to see people I knew for decades.
I'm not surprised by nurses and teachers doing these things because they've been, these teachers have been giving kids smut and defending it.
Like the weird books I can't even say on this show because try to be family friendly.
That's how disgusting it is.
jack posobiec
Well, the celebration are and teachers' colleges are particularly Marxist.
All colleges at this point are Marxist, unless one except for the ones that are explicitly anti-Marxist.
Um but the teachers' colleges are explicitly Marxist.
They are basically like Marxist madrasas uh and and they're they're creating these domestic terrorist uh instructors and then sending them out into the world.
tim pool
We we talked a little bit about this on Charlie's show earlier.
I think it's gonna get worse because uh uh throwing it out to uh uh credit to Will Chamberlain, this point is very important.
I told him I won't call for these people to be fired, but I won't defend them.
And he said, You're you're you're nicer than me, I think they should be fired.
A society that tolerates the veneration of assassination is a society that has opened the door to civil war.
These people should not be welcome in polite society.
I'm paraphrasing for the most part, but I said, you know what?
You're right.
If we continue to allow people on social media and in the workplace or wherever they are to celebrate assassinations, justify the assassinations, we are going to get more.
And I will stress this as much as we have condemned it, when and I and I don't again, I'm not saying this to be disrespectful to Dana White.
I'm saying I'm not gonna be super diplomatic.
Okay, I'm gonna call I'm gonna call it like it is and say, Dana, you need to pay attention to what's going on.
These people have celebrated Luigi Manjaone, and then Charlie Kirk is killed less than a year later.
I don't want any more people to die.
And it's particularly terrifying when it's when it comes to when it comes home.
And that's why when I see Dana White say, look, people shouldn't lose their jobs.
Okay, when these people start celebrating assassins, and then they start calling you out because you have defended Trump and helped Trump win, what are we gonna say?
I don't want that to happen to Dana White.
I love USC.
I think he's i he's uh he's a business masterman.
I love the work that he's done.
I'm a huge fan.
We should say to anybody who wants to go online and celebrate murders, political murders for political ends, you're gone.
Because we are not gonna create a path towards monetization, followers, you will not be venerated, you'll be excised.
jack posobiec
That's fine.
tim pool
Polite political.
jack posobiec
So, Tim, you know, after you think we we talked about this last night, and as soon as I got back to my hotel, I if we finish up the show, and I get a I get a call that said, So over on the post-millennial side, we had Katie Davis court was out in the field in Portland, and they say, Hey, Katie just got assaulted.
tim pool
Yep.
jack posobiec
And it's and at first it's okay, how is she?
Is she all right?
Are we in comms with her?
And uh this Antifa uh female had basically taken a flagpole and swung it like a baseball bat and cracked her and almost almost literally almost blew her eye out.
And uh thank God, you know, it it she's gonna get medical and and checked out.
I haven't seen the actual reports, but it seems like she just got a black eye.
A couple inches to the left, a couple inches north, could have been a lot worse.
And then she was calling and posting videos saying the local police here in Portland won't even arrest her.
I chased her down the street.
I have all of this on film.
They say it's too dangerous for us to go into this Antifa safe house that she located.
So now then I'm calling up like members of DHS that I know, uh some of the higher ups there, members of the administration sending these are saying, guys, we gotta do something.
So we're using geolocation.
Okay, she's you know, she posted this on this corner, so she's in this vicinity.
If it's been this many minutes, she's gone this far.
And fortunately, we were able to locate her, she kept working, she kept going.
Tim, there's been uh complete silence.
You talked about a lot of people talked about it, but almost complete silence from conservative media, uh, complete silence from mainstream media, no journalist associations have reached out, nothing.
tim pool
I I think we need federal law enforcement to stop playing games.
Yes.
And and I mean political games.
Why is it we the line has been crossed with these terror attacks on ICE facilities?
The first one, they had Antifa people outside throwing fireworks.
When ICE walked outside to say, okay, they're throwing fireworks, someone in the woods unloaded with a rifle.
It was a diversion tactic.
It was a plan.
And then we get three terror attacks.
You are allowed to peaceably assemble in this country.
We respect that.
That means you can stand outside, hold up your signs, scream all you want, but you can't throw stuff.
You can't blow stuff up.
You can't physically attack ICE officers or smash windows and attack vehicles.
I'm even willing to accept nonviolent civil disobedience, meaning if they sit down and link arms in front of the chain link fence, then they'll come up, they'll get arrested for a disorderly or something, slap on the wrist, all of that's acceptable.
But why are we allowing them to physically attack people and police and the feds are still holding back?
Now, with all due respect, I understand they've stepped things up quite a bit.
But I'm just saying the moment you get obstruction, you say, you are all going to be arrested.
We are not going to create a circumstance where terrorists can continue these attacks.
The line has been crossed.
I'm not going to play these games where it's like, well, we know there are terror attacks that have happened, but our concern is that no, no, no, no.
The left crossed the line three times with these terror attacks on ice, let alone the other attacks we've seen and the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Circumstance and context matters.
When someone comes out and says, But you can't have a protest disrupted by No, no, no, no.
You can when we have been dealing with where we have 30 to 40 terror attacks this year already.
And I mean literal, overt, shootings, firebombs uh, some of them murders.
We say extenuating circumstances have been created by the left.
We don't want to live this way, but there's a reason why we're deploying ICE, CBP, and National Guard.
If you come out to an ICE facility and you are causing these problems, you will be arrested.
jack posobiec
I I would even go a step further.
I would say you you take a look at these networks.
They have a safe house in Portland.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
There's an address.
And by the way, to you know, to the people who say, oh, they don't exist.
Well, they they have an address.
You know, they're not even a group.
They've merched.
jason scoop
Didn't Trump just sign an executive order about uh labeling them a terrorist group?
tim pool
Indeed, and he then followed up a few days later, instructing all branches of of government under the executive to go after their funding sources and their organization structure, which they have.
There are leaders.
There's a hierarchy, and I point out even lobsters have hierarchy.
The the the ADL ran cover for them saying there are leaderless, decentralized network.
That is not correct.
It's fair to say that there are organized factions.
They fly the same flag and they coordinate with each other, but that does not mean leaderless.
That's a lie to defend them.
ian crossland
It seems like the president just one day going, and they're a terrorist organization.
Now everyone go get them.
That's a little uh hit the brakes, boy.
tim pool
Okay, you know, let me ask you some questions.
But I'm glad you asked this because it is a is it is a challenge of our morals and our views that the people need to hear.
Was Abraham Lincoln wrong to suspend habeas corpus?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
He was also at war because he was at war with another country.
tim pool
And what do you mean he was at war?
ian crossland
The South broke into a second country and they were fighting a conventional war he had to break off the water.
tim pool
Who started that war?
ian crossland
The people that broke up.
Well, it depends on who you ask.
They think that Abraham Lincoln started it, they call it the war of northern aggression.
tim pool
Who invaded whom?
ian crossland
The North invaded the South.
I mean, it just depends on how you look at it, but yeah.
tim pool
And in indeed, so the point I'm bringing up is there's arguments over who started the war because the South engaged Fort Sumter, even though it was a federal, it was a union base.
So there's a there's a debate over there.
There's a question of moral clarity in that slavery was wrong.
So we're we're happy they got defeated and slavery was ended.
But Abraham Lincoln, at the start of the war, he has uh, or actually, I should I should to be fair, I'm not gonna say at the start of the war, but was it wrong of him to arrest one third of the Maryland legislature?
jack posobiec
Including the governor, I believe.
ian crossland
This is uh after the Philadelphia riots.
Is this why he suspended the habeas?
tim pool
I don't know if there was a Philadelphia riot.
ian crossland
There was a riot real close to the Capitol.
He's like, we need to lock down the area around the Capitol, is what happened.
tim pool
The point I'm bringing up is you you say something very simple, and this is the point I'm making about extenuating circumstances.
The president pointed to a group that said they're terrorists go get him.
We can't have that.
No, no, no, that's not what happened.
We are dealing with a decade of precedent where Andy Noah was nearly murdered in the street, his ears had blood pouring from them.
Aaron Danielson was shot and killed by a guy with a BLM tattoo on his neck, two bullets in the chest.
Charlie Kirk was just killed by a guy, uh allegedly the I should say the assassin, the alleged assassin, espoused ideology in line with these liberal groups.
When this is the circumstance within our culture, this is when we say, okay, are we in Lincoln territory?
Now, I'm not saying that Trump should suspend habeas corpus.
I'm saying Trump pointing to Antifa with organized factions, merch leaders engaging in terror, safe houses, a legal apparatus, and three terror attacks on ice facilities, and we're still holding back.
I don't think it is fair to say Trump going, hey, as a terrorist organization, get him is a character is a correct characterization of what we've witnessed.
Because again, I'll stress.
It's more like for 10 years the far left has brutally battered people in the streets, shut down conservative events, killed people, firebombed vehicles, gotten away with it, and only after 10 years, Trump said, I think they're terrorists.
I I don't think Trump is going hard enough.
jack posobiec
The the the um Bella Chow.
So of course, one of the bullets that was used on Charlie said Bella Chow.
One of the other ones said, Hey, fascist catch.
Bella Chow, even in addition to being a popular song in his own right, is also the sort of de facto national international anthem of Antifa.
tim pool
And and let's add that there have been flyers popping up at various universities that said that say, hey, fascist catch, and they are recruiting people to kill conservatives.
It is not an exaggeration.
I'm not gonna play these stupid semantic games that liberals play, well, they're not really doing no, no, no.
They they bullets that they they were they were covered after Charlie was murdered.
One of them said, hey, fascist catch.
So what and and they use flyers saying join our gun club.
What they are saying is, do you agree with the message sent when they murdered this man in cold blood?
ian crossland
My question is is it the organization that's called Antifa, or is it dudes in black blocks like what's the real terrorist?
jack posobiec
I would actually I so the way that I've kind of broken this down is I've said that Antifa itself is an ideology in the way that you would say radical Islam is an ideology.
But within that ideology, there are many groups, some of which call themselves like Rose City Antifa.
Some of them call that use like the John Brown gun club.
tim pool
I gotta push back a little bit.
ISIS and Antifa are the same thing.
Like obviously ICIS is substantially more dangerous, more violent.
But within extremist Islam, you have ISIS.
Within extremist leftism, you have Antifa.
So people fly the flag of Antifa, they organize around its banner.
It means something to them.
There are organizing principles and there are leaders, much like ISIS.
jack posobiec
100%.
tim pool
It's not just an ideology.
jack posobiec
I'm not saying it's just.
I'm I'm like, if you really want to have the discussion, you know, you could say Antifa is like the umbrella term, and there are also multiple organizations, anti-racist action, the torch network, Roe City Antifa, et cetera, et cetera.
tim pool
But there are there are principal leaders that control all of it.
And and and this is the lieutenant.
jack posobiec
Okay, so I I don't like dig into this, but if if if you want to ask, like, okay, there's a bunch where you can talk about.
But at the end of the day, it's very simple to say Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization.
They are a network, they are they do have centralization, they do and by the way, the money is how you can find them.
The money is how you can track this.
When those people know when the National Lawyers Guild, the NLG, goes out and say, Oh, well, uh, we know there's going to be Antifa action, so we're gonna be there.
How do you know to be there?
Who told you to be there?
tim pool
You know, you know who's really great on this one?
Uh we we're we're booking him to come on Nate Friedman.
So guys follow him on social media on Instagram, Nate Friedman underscore.
He's been he's been exposing the paid protesters, and this just scratches the surface.
I've mentioned this time and time again.
When uh and Luke, you know this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When we were on the ground covering these protests, and Luke and I, as journalists and uh, you know, people who we would travel the world, we go to various countries, we'd be in Germany, we'd be in France, we'd be in Singapore.
They were somehow in Turkey, they're somehow the same protesters we saw in New York were in Germany, in Turkey.
We called them the tourists because we're like, it's very strange that this guy who reported to be some local New York guy to protest, is here on the ground in Turkey at the exact same time.
Who's paying for this?
How are they involved in these protests?
And I've seen some of these people in France at direct action meetings, organizing, helping people craft shields by sawing uh garbage bins in half, watching them spray paint the Antifa shield, and they were protesting outside the best deal.
And I'm like, that's pretty crazy that that guy was in Turkey and New York and LA, and now he's in France.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, they're far more organized than a lot of people understand them to be organized.
And then there's you know bigger kind of figureheads like George Soros that of course pour in a lot of the money, and that money just accidentally goes to a lot of these left-wing type of organizations that uh have all this chaos in our society.
how uh coincidental.
ian crossland
What really concerns me hearing about Katie getting attacked is think I you I was actually thinking about Andy No, who was also attacked, and that like Nick Shirley.
I yeah, he's showing me a picture of Katie right now.
luke rudkowski
I mean I would I was attacked.
ian crossland
So what's happening is it you have to do that.
People start treating this like we legitimate not a I'm not saying attack.
luke rudkowski
You've been attacked too.
jack posobiec
I'm not saying all of here have been attacked.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, literally.
ian crossland
It's not a cut because I haven't dangled my junk into the combat zone on purpose to get some camera footage, but that's the big part of what's the problem.
Go under if you're gonna do it, go undercover.
Otherwise, you're wearing a hunk of meat in a lions to Nick Shirley.
I love you.
Take care of yourself, man.
You Carlin Borosenko went undercover.
Do stuff like that.
Like if you if you want to expose this thing, don't pariah, please.
jack posobiec
Ian, here's and and I agree with you to an extent.
Um, because you're right.
Like I don't I don't want something bad to happen to Nick.
I don't want something bad to happen to Katie.
Uh Andy saw what happened to Charlie.
And at the same time, we shouldn't have to be in a situation where citizen journalists are going out doing their jobs and unable to do so, or independent journalists going out and unable to do their jobs because the streets have been taken over by left-wing extreme violent forces.
Yeah by at left look at the video of Nick Shirley from that we played the other night where he's running around and the guys in his face, and it's okay, they're painting a laser on him with this with this green dot.
All right, fine.
But guess what?
He could have, he could have had a weapon.
He could have killed Nick.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jack posobiec
He could have killed him.
And now, by the way, the Porton Portland police last night said, Oh, well, we can't do anything about this because it's too dangerous.
Now they've posted a picture of the girl who assaulted Katie, and they're saying, we'd like help from the public to identify this person to arrest them.
The public was being assaulted by this person, and you stood there and did nothing while the victim was begging for you to arrest her assaulter.
And then she comes on my show with a giant black eye earlier today, and I'm sitting there, and and and we got to worry about, you know, these these men, and I'm sorry, it is the men, you know, who should know better, who should be taking this more urgently, that are talking about it, oh, well, it's a both sides thing.
We shouldn't have canceled culture.
Guys, shut up, right?
We need to step up and get control of this before more people get hurt and die.
tim pool
Well, this is here here's the problem I see, and this is why I was making reference to not to single out Dana White, but he did get this interview.
There are many people in this space.
They are the Trump supporting moderates, I suppose, that are saying we don't want to do that.
We don't want to be like that.
You've got these um you've got certain certain individuals like uh I think Seth Dylan was on this uh uh this this this bent where he was like we don't engage in cancel culture and all that.
And this attitude of we should not have a a line will be our downfall.
The left has been unrelenting in their censorship and their abuse of power.
Let me let me let me add this.
I just bumped into a CBP agent earlier today, and he showed us photos, and I told him you should probably go public with this, and he was concerned about getting in trouble.
I said, I don't know that the Trump administration is gonna be mad at you if you expose what's going on.
The pictures that I saw, I wish I could get for you.
Maybe we'll we'll we'll we'll press a little bit further, and maybe maybe we can work with him on this one.
Or work with the department with DHS to make sure that these can be done in a proper manner.
Photos of storerooms full of resources for illegal immigrants.
There's uh some of the stories that I was told as hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent on their health care.
As soon as they walk in, they're like, I'm sick, I need health care, and then we pay for it.
We for too long have we have the left has run roughshod.
Liberals have just done whatever they've wanted.
They opened the border and let in 10 to 20 million people while we foot the bill for all of those costs.
We elected Donald Trump and said we are concerned about immigration.
Please, Trump, we want to do this legally and lawfully, which I still believe is the appropriate way to do it.
Yet still, even after Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered, there are people who are like, now now slow down there, guys.
We need to take this one easy.
And I'm like, bro, there were four terror attacks in four weeks.
I think right now we should be talking about how seriously we need to take this and stop sitting here saying, nah, nah, everything's fine.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about brutality in general, how the United States really hasn't seen it.
We saw in in May 7th, what is it, May 4th, 1970, the National Guard killed four college students.
I think about China, Tianman Square.
jack posobiec
Who were attacking them?
ian crossland
Yeah, they were throwing rocks.
The kids were throwing rocks at the at the National Guard and they opened fire and four guys.
Okay, so they were really attacking them.
jack posobiec
Yes.
ian crossland
So in China, Tian Min Square in 1992, I think it was brutal crackdown.
You don't see street violence in China anymore.
June 489.
So what level of brutality are you guys willing to witness?
tim pool
Um, Ian, I'm gonna ask you this again because you're you're uh I think it's a good point you're making in that people need to hear this from in our moral worldview.
Charlie Kirk was murdered in cold blood in front of his family.
jack posobiec
And it was I mean, the video was, but his family is not present.
tim pool
His family was not there.
jack posobiec
They were not present.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jack posobiec
I I was on I I was uh I know that that's kind of been out there, but they're not conflicting reports also.
They were not present.
Let's just Erica um came.
I think what happened was that because you know it Phoenix and Salt Lake City are are fairly close in proximity flight time.
So Erica got to Salt Lake City very quickly, and I think a lot of people kind of conflated that, but she had actually not been attending an event and and the kids in general don't worry about it.
tim pool
Then let me then let me walk that back as it is uh unnecessary to the greater point.
When Ian, you ask, what brutality are we willing to witness?
And I'm I'm I'm like uh none, but the left has not stopped in a decade.
So if your attitude is they've killed, they'll kill again, but we don't want brutality, so we're gonna sit back and take it, you are wrong.
ian crossland
No, I want to know how much brutality you're willing to sit by and watch happen because there's some coming.
luke rudkowski
And Jack made this point.
And I think Jack made a very good point by saying a lot of the times police officers are complicit in many of these instances for allowing it to happen, but not allowing you to defend yourself.
And there are a number of documented cases that I went through personally where people attack me, people steal my stuff, people you know sought me, and um and the police officers are like, good luck, kid.
Uh, but but you know, or a right winger does something automatically they're they're all on top of them.
So at least allow people one to defend themselves.
Uh two, and if you're gonna enforce the laws, enforce them uh actually equally, uh, which I think is important.
Uh Jason, you were talking about you know stuff that happened to you.
I don't know if you want to share or open up about what happened to you.
I mean, you're a comedian.
unidentified
You make literally exactly what you just said.
jason scoop
Um I I was at a uh anti-Trump protest, and I come in doing my thing.
I have a little bullhorn.
I hired a guy to play Elon.
This is right after the um the um chainsaw thing.
jack posobiec
But you think they would like that at an anti.
luke rudkowski
It would be funny.
jason scoop
Yeah, exactly.
But well, well, it it's it's either or because some people think I'm making fun of them.
Yeah, but um so but they viciously they just saw somebody dressed as Trump, and they all literally ran after me, and the cops were there, and then we got kicked out.
I mean, my microphone I uh got thrown off, you know, yeah, I had to replace it.
Um but yeah, no, I was hit, I was all sorts of stuff.
It was all so fast, but it's I got it all on camera too.
jack posobiec
You okay?
jason scoop
But um, yeah, but that was fine.
unidentified
Okay.
jason scoop
But um, but then we got escorted out, and um zero repercussions for those who attacked.
jack posobiec
Jamie Raskin.
tim pool
Let me let me let me pull up this video.
Sorry, because this is in line with what we're talking about.
Luke just sent me this.
This is a video from Cam Higby.
A leftist decided to physically attack me at Union Station tonight.
I deployed Mason's self-defense.
It's an important video.
I want I want to here's a life.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Oh, hey, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
Back fuck up.
tim pool
So this is Cam Higby.
He's been going to uh universities, he's been uh offering up debates, sitting down in chairs, and this is what they they they try to do.
It's antagonistic, low grade attacks.
Well, he's defending himself.
jack posobiec
Is she like on her knees right there?
unidentified
I'm trying to pushing into him and trying to grab his hat or the microphone.
tim pool
Okay, and then he deploys mace.
I don't want to see any of this happen.
I I I don't.
Horrible.
But but the problem is if you if you watch every time someone like Andy No or Nick Shirley or or you know, literally anybody goes on the ground, they play this game where they know that they're they're doing enough to disrupt to lightly damage, but it's hard to get police to do anything about it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he might get in trouble now.
He he if if the district attorney sees this claim, and they're finance by George Soros.
They're like, oh no, he used Mace.
Why did he use Mace?
And there's a big chance, and it has happened in places like New York City where people defend themselves, you go to jail, which is insane.
jack posobiec
So uh I was just gonna say, uh uh Jamie Raskin um ordered a hit on me at Union Station um a couple of weeks ago.
And I so I'm I'm I'm going to this pro life gala and I get off the train at union station and actually my wife uh had been there to pick me up and I happen to see that Jamie Raskin is there with like a bunch of union workers and this is when they were doing the anti-doge stuff.
And it's oh wow, Jamie Raskin, and he's got it's got a bullhorn.
So I I walk over and you know it's Jamie Raskin.
So it's I start, you know, filming and he's going and surrounded by all these union workers, and and Jamie Raskin is is is going and he's he's doing his thing.
And he's and then he starts saying, and you know something?
The people are with us.
The American people are with us, they support us, they support what we're doing.
And I and I just sit there and I'm like, well, Jamie, if the American people support you, why'd they vote for Donald Trump?
You know, if they support you so much.
And he's like, What?
unidentified
What?
jack posobiec
And then he just like gestures at me.
The entire crowd of union workers comes in and just starts beating me.
Um they they grab my my bag, which right here, but which had my tablet in it, they attack my phone, they do all of this.
I've got all this on video.
unidentified
Whoa.
jack posobiec
They they push me, they're shoving me a the six years from Sunday, and I go over now, they get across, Capitol Police start screaming at me.
Capitol Police start saying, Why did you why did you start a fight over there?
And they said that and then the union guys went over to Capitol Police and said, Hey, can you arrest that guy?
He's threatening the congressman.
luke rudkowski
Wow.
jack posobiec
And I said, I have the entire thing on video.
I'm more than happy to show this to you.
I never made a single threat.
I never made a threatening gesture.
And then the Capitol Police Officer told me that, oh, well, I can see you moving towards him.
And I said, I'm moving towards him because the crowd is shoving me towards him after they after he pointed at me to be assaulted.
Uh I made a report about this.
Capitol Police hasn't done has never done anything.
Not a s and I pointed out exactly who it was.
They just let them all walk away.
tim pool
I just, you know, look, I I can I can respect and appreciate a lot of the moves that that the executive branch is making.
But that's actually legislative.
As as an aside too, I'm wondering, like with this Alex Jones thing, like why isn't there any kind of intervention at the federal level over what a clear a clear violation of his rights?
I guess it's me with the company.
Yeah, like come on.
I mean, it's it's it's a bit egregious and insane over defamation to completely destroy a company 10 years later.
Not gonna defend what he said, but it's it's it's ridiculous that the lengths they went to destroy InfoWars.
And I'm saying, okay, look, isn't is is perhaps like a Harmete Dillon angle on civil rights being violated here or something with the courts in the in the state that they could stop this?
ian crossland
We should pull up the story if we haven't yet.
unidentified
I don't think we pulled it up on the show yet, but uh that Alex Jones is shutting down.
ian crossland
Yeah, he just mentioned that the court f said today they're they're taking him down.
jack posobiec
Yeah, what's the I haven't seen the latest?
tim pool
To be fair, that the challenge on this one is, and with all just right to Alex is we've heard this quite a bit.
ian crossland
At least three times, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so we we've heard quite a bit.
The judges ordered the shutdown and we've covered it, and then there's a stay of some sort.
So we have another one of these stories where he's saying Federal Judge Greenlights the shutdown, something may intervene, but isn't there something to be done now with winning the election where we have the DOJ, the civil rights division, that we can start countering these things?
Yes, I I do get that there's finite bandwidth, but we need now more than ever to see like Jack, why why did they let those guys attack you?
I mean, we know what these people are doing.
jack posobiec
Right.
And someone who's got to split this is and I I posted the video, and and again, you know, Capitol Police never even reached out to me afterwards.
Um I did have some some good communication with the speaker's office um afterwards where where I discussed it and they they looked into it, but couldn't even get a city.
tim pool
They couldn't even get rid of Paul Illyhan Omar off of her her committee.
jack posobiec
It feels like I've been reading about the like the fascists of the 1920s, people don't get what time we're in.
ian crossland
And the craziness of mobs, like an um how a mob can just do some horrible thing to another human and then it's over.
And then like what then there's the mob standing around and did the mob disperses, and like just don't be that guy that in r enraged the mob.
tim pool
I want you to imagine that you're standing on the gallows in front of a sea of 1,000 liberals, and the executioner is walking up to the noose and they say, Plead your case to the people.
Do you believe that there is anything you could say in any infinite amount of time that would make them say this man should be allowed to live and be free to go?
jason scoop
Nope.
ian crossland
Technically, but I doubt I'd come up with it.
tim pool
That's actually a decent answer.
I mean, in in in the grand scheme of the universe, you could probably figure out something, but in all reality, it's 99.99%.
They don't know, they don't care.
They're gonna scream burn the witch.
They're gonna scream boo the throwing.
Don't be the rich, the witch, don't be the rich.
How do you did not know or care, they said off with their heads.
ian crossland
And and I sense bloodthirst in these mobs sometimes.
Um I don't know.
When you tell me that you were yelling, well, you didn't yell when you yell at Raskin with a big crowd, or do you regret would you do it again?
jack posobiec
Of course they do it again.
In a heartbeat.
ian crossland
Why?
jack posobiec
Why?
Because this is the United States of America, and I'm allowed to have freedom of speech, and that this guy's gonna be some leader who, by the way, threw Steve Bannon in jail, through uh Jamie or through Jamie Raskin through Peter Navarro in jail over a complete lie over January 6th, and I can't even go up and confront him in in public without having a union mob of his thugs attack me, then you know what?
Then I am gonna do that, and we're gonna continue to do that because if we cower, then they win.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Well, you don't have to be cowardly and technical.
And Turning Point USA, by the way, is gonna continue doing events.
And yes, to your point, we are gonna continue being tactical.
And and look, sometimes it takes those tactics to be able to force a conversation.
And look, I I did not expect a sitting member of Congress to do that, but that is how blatantly untouchable these people feel they are.
And you know what?
We're letting them.
We're the ones letting them be untouchable.
tim pool
It's like that video with Cam where these these liberals assault people and get away with it all the time.
With that this only stops when police start just arresting them.
When feds go start arresting them.
So long as these cities keep saying liberals are allowed to do it, there's only there's only you know you know what I heard, Jack.
I heard that there's a lot of people from Washington moving to Arizona.
jack posobiec
I mean, there's a lot, the left coast coming in.
tim pool
Yeah, why are they leaving?
Could it be that Portland is a is a war zone?
The businesses are shut down.
unidentified
Well, or was it you said Washington.
tim pool
Oh, right, right.
Well, I just mean Pacific Northwest.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
From the left coast.
And so you've got Seattle is a disaster.
Portland is a disaster.
So people are fleeing.
The end result of this obvious.
The politically appointed police and politicians that uh get elected in these places are not going to change the way they handle things.
More and more regular people will flee the anarcho-tyranny, and you will get g geographic bifurcation.
What does that result in?
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, it depends.
You know, you you you've got I I get what you're going for, but it results in you also results in massive schisms in the United States, particularly uh on flash button issues, one of which would be because it's because of the Dobbs decision is now a states' rights issue is abortion.
So, you know, you're gonna get a situation where certain states are going to have wildly different laws from other states, but you're also gonna but here's the key difference you're gonna have a group of people who says those states aren't allowed to have those laws.
tim pool
Let's let's let's let's do some math real quick, some political math.
Uh California has banned federal agents from any any law enforcement from wearing masks, which is targeting ice.
The uh DHS has instructed their agents to continue wearing their masks.
jack posobiec
Yeah, they have no ability to instruct.
tim pool
Will Gavin Newsom enforce his own laws?
jack posobiec
So have his police go up against or like state troopers, I suppose.
tim pool
State troopers, are they going to enforce the mask law against federal federal law?
He's not gonna do it.
jack posobiec
No, I don't think he's gonna do it.
I think that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
What if he does?
jack posobiec
What if he did, then yes, you would you would absolutely get into a standoff of state and federal authority where you could have a clash.
tim pool
So we so the question right now is hypothetically.
jack posobiec
I don't think it would, but hypothetically.
tim pool
The question is will Gavin Newsom seek to enforce this law?
Because, and everyone wants to say no.
Um, I'm fine with the assumption that it won't, but I'm also concerned about normalcy bias and optimism bias.
Gavin Newsom wants to win the presidency, has already stated he's he fears there won't be an election, and he's gonna do what the people in California tell him to do, and they are going to say ICE is kidnapping people.
They are blackbagging my neighbors, Newsom do something, and he's gonna be like, this is my path to victory.
That's why they have the law in the first place.
I believe there's actually a decent probability he does try to enforce this.
Now the real risk is I think the likely path of enforcement, if he does, this takes effect January 1st, 26th, is through I I believe they say that the it's a pat it's a civil fine.
It's a misdemeanor that results in a civil penalty for these law enforcement officers.
These ICE officers live in California and they work for the federalized facilities in that state.
I think the state's gonna go after their homes, their resources, their assets, and they're going to put the pressure on the ICE agents of if you obey Trump, we will take your life from you, we'll put your family at risk financially and through resource.
It's not going to be so obvious and easy as they're gonna try and have you arrested, which creates bad optics.
It's literally gonna be a sheriff's of the guy's house and says, Look, we've got uh an order for um, you know, uh, we're taking your house, you owe the state thirty, you know, thirty seven thousand dollars that you haven't paid, so we're seizing your assets.
It's not going to be an overtly political issue.
It's gonna be the story of a guy who owes money to the state for some reason.
This is the the conflict that results in federal agents saying we can't we can't do this job anymore.
There there is going to be a muddy conflict between the state and the federal government.
We've already seen one of the more terrifying things of Gavin Newsom asserting authority or the National Guard, Trump asserting his authority, it going to the courts, it's bouncing back and forth.
Now Oregon is doing the same thing, suing the federal government over whether or not Trump has the actual authority to command the National Guard.
What happens when the constituents of California or Oregon demand of their governors stop listening to Trump what he's doing is illegal.
They've already asserted it's illegal, they believe it's illegal.
They're going to say Trump packed the courts.
You know what?
Let's let's let's go uh to why I think the Jedi are the bad guys.
And I'm I mean somewhat jokingly.
But the line in Revenge of the Sith, when may when when uh Anakin says we can't kill the Emperor, which put him on trial, and he says, he controls the courts, he controls us, and he must be stopped now.
That line of thinking, these people think that they are the fictional heroes who are saying Trump controls the courts, he controls the Supreme Court.
He's it it's it's corrupt and illegal what they're doing.
They must be stopped.
jack posobiec
I I I I the only I just want to preface my response to this by saying the prequels are not canon.
Uh there are three Star Wars movies and there's a whole bunch of fan fiction.
So beyond that, uh, except for the EU, which is canon.
Um shout out to all my base star was EU enjoyers.
Um, but that's exactly right.
So what you're saying is is and and bec and but take it back a second, because Tim, you and I were talking earlier.
Why do they have this fervor?
It's theological.
It is a sort of anti religion, if you will, where they have the theological fervor that they believe conservatives typically do not.
A conservatives will a conservative will say, I don't want to be too conservative.
Leftists never say that.
Leftists will say, guys, whoa, let's we don't want to go too far here, getting too many people fired, we're canceling too many celebrities.
They never say that.
They never say that at all.
They only get stopped by the ballot box or by market share or something like that.
They never ever stop because they have the courage of their conviction.
They actually do, by the way.
And that's something that a lot of conservatives lack.
And you know why, and Charlie Kerr will tell you why.
Because he did a video before he died where he said the reason that so many Republicans and conservatives are terrified of going on offense is because they see what happens because of people like Jamie Raskin, and they see what happens to a Steve Bannon or a Jack Pasobic who gets this you know union thug after him in the same spot where Cam Higby's at right now,
or a Peter Navarro gets sent to jail, or Donald Trump getting almost shot at, or now, and you could you could even add a piece in, you know, where and I'm I'm not gonna edit Charlie's video, but I was like, wow, you could even at edit that video and have someone say you know, just maybe like a scrolling text, right?
And have it say, you know, three weeks after this video was taken, Charlie Kirk was shot dead on campus.
ian crossland
I I think you are right about people, there's a chilling effect about the individuals standing up to power and getting arrested or their lawyers getting arrested.
And so and people are like a lot of people are very happy that the government seems to be doing it in the harshest way possible, as fast as possible, because they feel powerless.
They feel like if they did try it, they would just get arrested, or in four years they'd get arrested.
Um and I don't I hope I I don't know that relying on the government to solve the problem is the answer.
jack posobiec
Well, Ian here's the thing, right?
You just mentioned Mussolini.
So when the government doesn't step up and protect your people, when the government collapses, when the government shows itself to be ineffective, people start seeking other means.
ian crossland
With Mussolini, they they basically Italy destroyed itself in World War One.
They they killed all their men trying to take the Asanzo River to the to the east.
So they were a wrecked monarchy and they they the fascists marched on the Capitol, they took like 500,000 men and the government.
jack posobiec
And that's what I mean.
That that monarchy, right?
That monarchy was a government was seen as a government in collapse, and it was seen as an illegitimate government.
ian crossland
And the government didn't want to any bloodshed.
They were like, just let him have the country.
The king was like just to have him advocate if you don't give them the country.
jack posobiec
That when people don't get relief from the violence from government not failing to do its job, then they will start seeking other means.
tim pool
In indeed, the question is confidence.
Why, why is someone willing to accept a dollar bill for a good or service is because there's confidence that they will be able to exchange that later for something they needed.
I see a dollar and I say, I want that.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
I can go buy a candy bar with it.
Luke says, okay, well, I want you to, you know, clean the floors.
And I say, Oh, great, I'll get a dollar for this.
Same thing is true for government.
Government only exists through confidence.
And it's the fear of the monopoly on violence that largely keeps people in line.
It wasn't always that way.
It wasn't supposed to be that way.
But a point that I've made over the past several years is the the the thought experiments is to Imagine you're at home, Jack, and you hear your doorbell ring.
Maybe you got a ring doorbell, whatever.
And you walk up and you look outside, and there's a clown, a literal clown in a full clown outfit.
jack posobiec
And you go, uh I didn't order the clown today, he was supposed to come tomorrow.
tim pool
You go, can I help you?
And he goes, Clown police, open up, I have a warrant.
And you go, huh?
I'm not opening my door for you.
I have a warrant.
And he holds it up.
Then three clowns come up behind them with vests on, and they're like, open your door, clown police.
What would you be like, what is going on?
Clowns are not coming in my house.
The reason I say something so ridiculous is that when we get to the point where a police officer of any of law enforcement of any faction is not recognized by the individual in their home, they will behave as though a clown shut up on their doorstep, and their warrant is as meaningful as a clown warrant.
That's what happens when there's no confidence in government.
Meaning, if a clown shows up, I have no confidence they can enforce anything, nor do they have any authority.
I have no fear of any retribution or reprisal if I defend myself from clowns trying to break into my house.
But if a cop says he's got a warrant, he's coming in your house, you know that all you can do is comply.
ian crossland
So we had like the the the force is the government, and then we just have different people in charge.
So when Biden was in charge, they arrested all those people for Jan six.
It felt like people were getting the raw end of the deal, that they weren't being protected for these four years.
Before that, it never really happened.
And after that, it well, I mean, whatever you want to think about today, different people tell you different things, but that lack of confidence only seemed to have built over that four-year period.
So I don't think it's so lost that it's been like 20 years of hopelessness that the government's thinking.
jack posobiec
I think there's a chance right now, and that chance really cannot be squandered because if they don't get it right, they will and and so you know, you mentioned talking about clown police.
Um, you know, and and and Luke, you know this as well, you know, having grown up in eastern Europe, Tanya, my wife growing up in the collapse of the Soviet Union, and would tell you that, you know, it we and we've talked about it.
There's a whole TV show about it that just came out, and we were we were talking, and it's like the police so what ends up happening is that you get gangs and gangs and criminals really rise up, and some gangs might control a whole city, but other gangs, it's typically like a street or a neighborhood or a couple of streets or something, and they're always beefing, and then the police just become they're sort of like another gang.
And so there's so much violence and so many reprisals and no authority to stop any of it, that if you don't join the gang, I mean, you're your fair game, basically.
And so everyone is forced into these situations because your entire government, your entire society is collapsing all around you.
ian crossland
This is why I ask what what level of brutality you're willing to allow to create order.
I mean, and there's gonna be some evil done to create some order because our country's been floundering in the state of chaos.
It can't happen.
If China has a more ordered country than we do, then it's gonna show the world that they have a better system than we do, and we're all going communist if that happens.
tim pool
Defined better.
ian crossland
Less violence on the street, a more ordered system.
jack posobiec
That's it.
ian crossland
At what cost, of course?
At what cost?
But if you look on the street, people aren't screen we don't see Antifa riding on the streets of China right now.
tim pool
And always has been.
jack posobiec
Yeah, because the Antifa took over China.
tim pool
As I stated earlier, if everybody in this country had the same moral worldview as Charlie Kirk, you'd need no police, not a single law enforcement officer.
ian crossland
That is true, obviously, but it's impossible to be an impossibility to have that kind of uniformity.
tim pool
Except in the early days of this country, we didn't have police forces.
ian crossland
Just militias.
tim pool
Well, it was just the local guys, and the militia was just the local guys who had weapons.
And the police department, I think police uh came into be in the in the 18th century, they started to emerge.
ian crossland
And now we've got internet videos.
So when there's a riot in Portland, the the federal government knows within three minutes and they can get federal troops there within two an hour.
But 10, 30 years ago, they wouldn't even hear about the riot until the next day or so.
tim pool
Today is the – Requiring written laws is a horrible sign for your civilization.
The fact that we have to write down what people should not do – like you ever see a sign and you're like, that sign is there because someone did it.
Imagine there's a sign on the wall here that said don't take a dump on the floor.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I got a couple of those in the Navy.
tim pool
Yeah, you'd be like, uh that means someone did it and they had to remind everybody.
It's becoming a problem.
We have to write this down.
ian crossland
Another thing was that we use the word permitted.
I'm like, well, why would you have to tell me I'm I'm allowed to do everything?
Why would you have to make a sign that says I'm permitted to do that?
Basically, I'm I'm a sovereign animal human that can do anything I want.
I was like six looking at a sign that said smoking permitted.
And I'm like, why would you even tell obviously you can't tell me when it's not allowed.
Don't tell me when I'm allowed to do and assume that I can't.
tim pool
When you're infringing upon someone else.
ian crossland
It's just a weird way to put a sign up.
Like here you can do it.
Well, like, duh.
tim pool
I look at it, I look at I look at it like um, you know, like the like the the the like three states of matter in terms of population density.
You have a sphere around you that grants that that that affords you certain abilities, and uh that is if you're in the middle of nowhere, your freedom range is massive.
You can shoot a gun.
You can shoot a gun on a on a on a 2,000 meter range if you have this space around you where you're not going to cause problems and infringe upon people.
Then you move into the suburbs and now your range has dropped substantially down to maybe only like 30 or 40 feet.
You can't shoot a gun in suburbs unless it's a dedicated range area.
Then in cities, you have no freedom range.
You are all tightly packed in concrete boxes in a big block that smells like sour milk.
And you can't even play the drums.
You can't play your guitar too loud because you'd start offending, like you start in encroaching on other people and and their levels of comfort.
And so we the rules get tighter and tighter and tighter the closer we live together.
What we have in cities is you basically have limited freedom, if any.
They don't let you do anything.
Leave in the country, you can do whatever you want.
jack posobiec
But but however, uh, and and I would just add to that, that cities also afford you the ability that they afford you a lot of benefits from living in a city as well.
So there's the convenience of living in the city, there's the communicative ability of living in the city, there's the ability to uh you do have you have culture, you have economy, you have society.
tim pool
This all comes from right at the bottom of your building.
jack posobiec
The city, right?
So uh it it it is the convenience, the accessibility, the speed of our society.
Civilization itself comes from the cities.
This is my this is my urban right thing that I've been working on where that you you you we wouldn't have any of the things that we have today if we and there are trade-offs to be sure.
And what you're describing is these trade-offs and are these trade-offs, but without those, you don't get the advances, and you don't get the so the social society and civic society that we have today.
And early on in America, I mean it was it was like frontier.
tim pool
My point is, Ian, if you want to smoke wherever you want, get a boat, go out to the middle of the ocean where you'll bother nobody's gonna be able to do that.
ian crossland
So it was a tangent.
The reason I I'm bringing up like laws and just brutality in general and order and how to produce order through making evil, you don't always have to do evil to make order, but sometimes it works.
Um just called all the generals, uh Pete Haggseth and he were talking to all the generals, and Trump said, Well, hey, maybe we're gonna say maybe he said, We're gonna practice, you guys can practice in Chicago.
Like telling the military you're gonna go into Chicago and practice and get ready, I believe it's Chicago.
Chicago or Portland.
And uh Chicago.
Yeah, Chicago.
So so he told the troops you're gonna practice your job, which is killing people.
tim pool
That's not correct.
ian crossland
Well, the military's main job is destroying the enemy.
Uh in Chicago, you're gonna practice that.
tim pool
I I I think I I I challenge that notion quite a bit.
Destroying people and infrastructure military does a lot more than destruction, but it is fair to say that they should be effective killing machines.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think they use force.
They they use force, but I and I I would I would argue that it's fair.
Uh the the military does a lot in terms of domestic support, border support, security.
It's not about destroying the enemy, yes, but I don't like that neoliberal, like that that liberal economic order worldview of sending our troops overseas to destroy enemies unseen to the American people.
And I don't think it's fair to characterize the military as killing machines or destructive forces when they're trying to protect their home.
ian crossland
The best thing you could do is turn your enemy into your friend.
The military's job really isn't that, though.
That's like the president and the diplomacy aspect of the governments.
The military's job is if diplomacy breaks down, they do what they do.
And to send to say go into Chicago and train that is like what kind of brutality is he anticipating?
Sorry, what you're doing.
jack posobiec
No, I was gonna say I do I get what you're saying.
I I get what he's saying.
And and I could sit here and talk about yes, the military has humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, authorities, infrastructure, National Guard.
But but I get what you're saying.
You're saying that the point of the standing, the main and primary point of having a standing army is their ability to uh wage war, right?
Is the war department, right?
And my God, I would I don't want to live in a society where we have to talk about sending the military into Chicago.
I don't want to live in a society or or Philly or Baltimore or New York or all of these.
I don't want any of this, right?
And but but we are forced to because the situation has gotten so bad.
And we can talk about the great migration, and we could talk about all these things that have happened that have gotten us to this point, but we are facing them, and we are facing them right now.
And I've this I've I've always said this is it's funny to me mention that because I always say like this is kind of the difference between you know your your rural conservative and your urban right, whereas like the rural conservative, and we we know that guy, like we love that guy, right?
He's he's the you know, he has a pickup truck, he's got a bunch of long guns in there, he's got all that freedom, and he's fighting to conserve that.
Whereas the urban right, you know, has already sort of lived with all of these trade-offs their whole life.
And so they are fighting for their home that was stolen from them in so many of these cases, and you've seen it in all the great cities of America, and they're in some cases actually quite more reactionary and more radicalized because they've seen it happen before their eyes.
tim pool
So so the issue is, Ian.
Well, to finalize that point I was making about the military.
When when we send National Guard to places, they're not just killing people.
It's it's the military does a lot in support of the interests of the United States beyond just combat, is my my principal point.
If they if we were to deploy military to the streets of Chicago or like we did in LA, they're not shooting and killing anybody.
That's that's not at all what they were doing.
So I guess ultimately, however, the question is for you, Ian would you rather get shot by a gangbanger for literally no reason just because you're a white guy in the wrong neighborhood, or have some National Guardsman on the corner wave at you as you walk past.
Oh National Guard.
The reality, you know, for me, I know what it's like to walk past National Guard.
I was in Ferguson during the riots.
They had National Guard stationed like like a two blocks down.
We walked over, let's go check out the National Guard.
We walked up, hey guys, how's it going?
They were like, it's going pretty good.
How about yourselves?
And we were like, what do you guys doing here?
And they're like, we're here in case things kick off, you know.
We've been asked to do this.
jack posobiec
You've seen him in DC now, right?
tim pool
Uh, I haven't I haven't actually interacted or no, it's the same thing.
I haven't seen him but same exactly.
So so I grew up in Chicago, I walk down the street, my buddy, he I I get mugged, I get a guy who threatens to stab me.
These are common occurrence.
I watched I got shot at for no reason.
And so you ask someone like me, like, hey, the Democrats have controlled Chicago for 100 years.
They've never dealt with this problem.
If you were to ask me, I'd say, why don't they request help from federal law enforcement to just end all of the gangs?
You know, Chicago could write a single letter to Trump, Trump and gangs in Chicago, and he'd say, done.
And I and I I'm willing to bet in a couple of months there'd be no more gangs in Chicago.
ian crossland
But is that because they would lay waste to like 30,000 people?
tim pool
No, because they'd literally stand on street corners and go, hey.
luke rudkowski
They lay waste to themselves.
jason scoop
So they're playing politics.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Jason, how would Trump respond to Ian?
unidentified
Well Ian, a little uh little hippie like, right?
A little hippie say, okay, I have hippie friends, right?
jason scoop
Barron hung out with one once, and that was just one time, okay?
But uh look, uh we need toughness and we need strength, okay?
tim pool
You know it.
ian crossland
I do know it.
I believe that it's true, actually.
I think that if we don't make a show of force, that it would the creep will continue.
tim pool
Why?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Why won't Chicago in over 100 years request federal assistance to end gang violence?
ian crossland
They probably think that the the Marines would come in and kill a thousand people or something.
I mean, because they're in on it.
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
jack posobiec
Because they're in on it.
tim pool
Maybe they're it's because they're in on it.
It's because they use these issues to get elected.
They create uniparty uh control of the city for a hundred years, and they don't want to clean it up because it's useful to them.
And also Trump could go in, and it's very, very simple.
How do you stop gang bonds in Chicago?
Uh National Guard stands on a street corner.
ian crossland
But then they'd have to leave eventually and then the gangs would just come back.
tim pool
No, they wouldn't.
ian crossland
Well, eventually.
tim pool
You know what Chicago did?
Chicago bulldozed the homes in the black neighborhoods and just scattered the gangs into different suburbs and said, no more gangs in Chicago because they're in Joliet.
ian crossland
Don't you think gangs is just a phenomenon of big cities?
tim pool
Gangs a phenomenon of no law enforcement.
So a good example is the favelas in Brazil.
When the World Cup was coming to Brazil, the government decided to do what they called pacification of the favelas.
Because there was no law enforcement, the de facto government was the gangs.
In these areas in Chicago, police will not go because they're like, eh, gangs run that.
So they don't go there.
They don't deal with it.
And if they do, they're like, you got to be real careful when you go in these neighborhoods.
Chicago cops themselves are deeply corrupt and have been for a very long time operating uh allegedly operating black sites.
We had that one cop, I always forget his name, who was electrocuting people into false confessions.
The city is has been it has been mafia democrat gang control for a hundred years.
There's another reason why I'm not a default cops are always good no matter what, because I grew up in Chicago.
If Trump, Trump wanted to, and I there's political challenges to this.
He could end all the gangs in Chicago.
It would not be violence, it would not be shootouts.
There's actually some gangs that'll be very grateful that he does it.
The the the government of Illinois, Pritzker, could say, why why do we have 800 deaths per year in Chicago from gun violence?
Well, clearly our law enforcement can't handle it.
Mr. President, can you assist us?
Trump would say we'll have this taken care of in a few months.
Gun violence will be over.
In fact, you can like like you mentioned with DC, crime dropped immediately, just because they're walking around.
jack posobiec
Bukele pre Bukele proved the answer.
Brukele ended the argument.
Bukele ended the argument completely.
He completely debunked 50 or 100 years of Democrat liberal professors and academics and academia and all the rest of it who said, Oh, well, you know, the socioeconomic factors that no.
No.
No, the worst of the worst, you put them behind bars.
ian crossland
How brutal was that?
I because it wasn't televised really.
Do you know much about I wouldn't have to do it?
jack posobiec
It was mainly mass arrests.
The main, the vast bulk of it was mass arrests.
tim pool
Of people with like uh gang tattoos, known gang affiliations.
jack posobiec
Yeah, and well, and cartel, too.
Like worse than just gangs.
tim pool
There are legitimate and absolute concerns about innocent people getting getting wrapped up in these things or former gang members who have abandoned those lifestyle, but they still have the tattoos and things like that.
I respect those concerns.
The challenge always is we are not looking at as at a one-for-one.
It is not so simple to say today's circumstances are the same as 30 years ago.
30 years ago, maybe well, actually, Chicago's had the problem for 100 years, so it need to be cleaned up.
But it's one thing 10 years ago to be like, well, we don't want cops to go around and arrest everybody.
We need to make sure forces go.
Okay, well, they they they shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
They killed Aaron Danielson.
There have been numerous terror attacks on ice.
We've had 30 plus this year.
There is a time when you're going here's the example I give.
Don't take your garden hose and spray down your your your living room floor, right?
Why would you ever do that, Ian?
Is there any reason crazy to do something like that?
Is there any reason you'd ever grab your garden hose and just start spraying?
jack posobiec
What if your floor is on fire?
unidentified
If their floor is on fire, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Or wash the pee off or something.
tim pool
The water damage will be pretty bad, but the fire damage is worse.
And I don't want to live in a burning home, but sometimes you spray your house down with water.
ian crossland
Hey man, and Ella, you're anti here.
Um, I'm gonna raise your bet because also there's a global insurgency inside the United States right now.
The world does not like free speech, it's an aberration to the function of the planet.
Uh property rights don't make a lot of sense to most of the planet.
So they would love to see this country fall over and adopt communist technocracy.
And we have to stop that and then redirect the course.
tim pool
We have to protect what this country is and meant to be and go to Super Chats.
So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
We uh we are doing the uncensored shows this week just because logistics is very difficult to pull off, but we are gonna read your uh super chats now.
So uh again, smash the like button, share everything always.
Let's see what we got.
Elite oh two K says best case scenario, Netflix complete D-gays the service.
Worst case scenario, they half the price of the service and somewhat de-gay the service.
Win-win situation, to be honest.
Well, if they lose all their conservative customers, they're going to double up the game.
That that's why it's it's it's a it's a Chinese finger trap problem.
As conservatives boycott, Netflix goes, okay, well, look, we've invested heavily in these programs.
Conservatives are leaving.
To win them back, we have to lose X amount of dollars.
Why don't we just try and increase the price on the liberals and go activists route?
So you never know which way it's gonna go.
Double edged sword.
jack posobiec
Shout out to uh Brave Books, Brave Plus, uh, who has a great uh service.
If you have kids, you want to check out Brave Books.
People know I'm involved with that.
Kevin Sorbo, Kirk Cameron.
Uh it's just a just a great way.
And they've they have other um, if you get the down to get their app, they have other um, you know, lots of just like old like Sonic cartoons and like Red Wall and different things that are just Spector Gadget, just good shows.
I love that cartoon.
All right.
tim pool
We got Dank Promathia says Pope came out as pro-choice.
Is that is that true?
jack posobiec
Uh no, the the uh no, that's not true, but he there with the Pope had was embroiled in this controversy regarding Senator Dick Durbin, who uh funny enough, actually would have been his senator if he still lived in Chicago, uh, because he's a senator for Illinois, where Dick Durbin was going to receive an uh acknowledgement,
the sort of like uh, you know, uh proclamation from a local diocese, the Arch Isaac of Chicago, and uh they asked uh the Pope about it, and they and he he basically said, Well, even though he's a huge abortion supporter, you know, should we do this?
And he said, Well, I think we have to look at the totality of of what he stands for, and and uh it wouldn't necessarily be against it and have to look at all that.
And so even though uh the Pope basically kind of you know, absolved him of his pro-abortion stance, um Durbin actually did step down and say and did not and uh you know is not gonna be going forward with this uh celebration.
tim pool
Interesting.
All right, we got Scribbly Berry says, Luke again, isn't that guy in a list for going to a certain island?
luke rudkowski
That's right.
tim pool
I love when I introduce Luke to people and they're like, oh, nice to meet you all back.
He's been Epstein Island.
luke rudkowski
And I'm like, I wasn't invited.
Like I they didn't ask me to go.
jack posobiec
So we have to we have to find out where the new island is to figure out where Bad Bunny went to.
So I'm gonna check the travel.
ian crossland
Do you think that Trump was an informant for the FBI?
And that's why they won't release it.
luke rudkowski
Uh no, but it Trump did help out some of the victims.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I think that was a misdeed.
luke rudkowski
But the whole situation now, him calling it a hoax is super weird.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
We got uh Leah Wolf the Red, he says, We need the GOP to win in New Mexico too.
Dems have ruined my state and preventing oil and gas development, not to mention MLG banning 2A in Bernalillo County.
New Mexico is conquered.
jack posobiec
New Mexico, I mean, there's like I I love Santa Fe.
I think Santa Fe is gorgeous.
I think it's beautiful.
It's actually America's uh either oldest or one of its oldest cities.
Um I think it's a great town.
I've been there a bunch of times, and uh I've just huge, huge fan.
I used my old blog used to have a connection to Santa Fe uh before I was in politics, and uh I love Meow Wolf.
I love going to the Jacques Cousteau theater there, and it's just really sad.
It's just really really sad.
ian crossland
Let's say New Mexico's being held.
It's only conquered if the war ends and it's seated.
jack posobiec
We get retakes our it's occupied.
Yeah, but we can we can we can win it back.
We get by the way, all of these things can be done with willpower.
We can we can we could flip California Red.
We could fix, we could fix New Mexico.
We could flip New Jersey Red, and by the way, we're going to in four weeks.
Uh, we are going to flip New Jersey Red.
All it takes is willpower.
tim pool
I think the polls don't matter as much.
What the bigger question I have is how much work has ICE done in the district.
jack posobiec
Maybe IC should go out there on what is it, November 5th?
Maybe we should make sure that ICE is out there.
I'm just saying, I'm sure I'm saying the voters.
And the criminals and the liars and to make sure that no illegals are voting, because obviously that's illegal, right?
So indeed.
We're just gonna make sure we're enforcing the law in New Jersey on election day.
tim pool
All right, here's a good one.
Mike Ross says, I just came up with a theory.
Does changing the name of the Department of Defense to Department of War potentially cancel contract with NGOs or other third-party activist agencies?
I hate to tell you the answer is no, but could you imagine like Hag Seth and Trump?
They're like, we got all this debt.
How do we get out of it?
I know, just change your name.
jack posobiec
Let's try it anyway.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
That's not me.
That's not me.
All right.
Atlantis Lions says the fact that Jimmy Kimmel got his show back is the definition of nothing ever happens.
I'm with Mary Morgan on that.
We are all Charlie.
jack posobiec
Amen.
tim pool
I mean, I think the last part proves that things happen and sometimes it's terrifying and not good.
jack posobiec
All right.
tim pool
Unisole says Captain America is uh the story based on based off Audi Murphy.
I mean, maybe there's an inspiration there, obviously.
You know the story of Audi Murphy.
jack posobiec
I do, and uh single-handedly.
There's a great Sabaton song about him.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Uh Let's see.
Tex Ray says Tom McDonald halftime show.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I I gotta tell you, I've gotten a lot.
And you know, the there's I can't get into like any of the conversations, but there's been a lot of interest in this Creed show.
tim pool
Bro, I'd be so down.
jack posobiec
There's been a creepy creed.
ian crossland
Everybody loves it.
tim pool
Sell out a stadium, hundred thousand people watching Creed can't speak for everything.
jack posobiec
Actually, one thing that came up is that, you know, we might not be able to get a stadium because the NFL, right, would not want another stadium to be used to like counterproduct.
And the stadium owners might be in a bad position.
unidentified
Okay.
jack posobiec
So we'd have to do an arena more of a underground.
So if you can't we even get arena, we can get an arena.
tim pool
But our arena is what, like 12,000 seats?
jack posobiec
I mean, it's a range, yeah, something like that.
ian crossland
It's gonna be so hot.
tim pool
Okay.
ian crossland
Bro, Scott's that's still good.
jack posobiec
But and and by the way, I would want to set it up so that it's you know, if we're putting on a totally separate event, my thinking would be that we don't because typical halftime shows, what, like a half hour, like max.
Like, I would want to do more than 30 minutes of content.
So maybe you have like a lineup and then the show and then like a finale be maybe the finale is the halftime show.
tim pool
Maybe maybe we um we have a uh Magic the Gathering tournament with a halftime show that is Creed, right, Ian?
ian crossland
That sounds like a actually a very good idea.
jack posobiec
Yeah, we're just we're just totally there for the great Magic the Gathering halftime show.
If we get James to play black, J Vance JD Vance would come and JD Vance would roll everybody in there.
The people on people were asking me it was in the binder.
Yes, it was JD Vance's uh third edition gathering binder.
tim pool
He's got he's got a five body.
jack posobiec
Sure wasn't the Ep Scene files.
It sure wasn't that.
luke rudkowski
Still don't have those.
jack posobiec
Nope.
tim pool
All right, what do we got here?
Um Ligma says, Poso is correct.
The only band that should play halftime shows from this point out is Creed.
It's the American thing to do.
jack posobiec
Amen.
tim pool
Just forever.
jack posobiec
Amen.
tim pool
Since it every Super Bowl is just gonna be Creed.
All right, what do you got here?
jack posobiec
When we win.
tim pool
The hat and beard show says meta modern is just the core millennium being forefront in the zeitgeist.
We haven't always hate posers.
unidentified
Most left lists are clearly play acting.
tim pool
Well, I I think liberals I don't think they have ideology.
I think they say what they have to say to make money.
That's why they don't come on shows and debate because it doesn't make them money unless they get paid.
And they get paid.
Have you noticed when when certain conservative or right-linking podcasts pay people to come on, they just kind of agree with everything.
There's certain certain liberal personalities who've been hired or paid to go on shows, and they just go, Oh, you know what?
Yeah, I didn't think about it.
Like you're right.
ian crossland
A lot of the liberal people I know they're ignorant, and to get humiliated to like learn to get in to show your ignorance on TV is a rough ask.
But if you tell them in private, they're always they'll do it for money.
It's one of their kids.
jack posobiec
It's a it's a shame fetish.
unidentified
Yes.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
Public shame fetish.
tim pool
Brushy honey says Snoop Dogg Creed duo.
jack posobiec
Wow.
Snoop Dogg did play Trump's inauguration.
He played the crypto ball.
I was there.
luke rudkowski
And then he apologized for it, didn't he?
Or he backtrack it.
jack posobiec
I don't recall.
I mean, I was there that night.
It was a pretty wild performance.
He was extremely high when he came out.
That's all I'll say.
tim pool
All right.
Chronic Seed Chronic Seeds Inc.
I wonder what he's up to.
Says, what's this doorbell footage of Tyler with a female right after the shooting in the neighborhood?
And why did FBI withhold this information?
Uh I'd like to take this opportunity to just like make a few points.
We did we did a culture war debate on this one.
First thing I'll say is I want any and all answers.
Who knows?
jack posobiec
But for the record, same, obviously.
Like I said last night.
tim pool
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
And it is obvious the FBI is not going to release every bit of information they have, if especially if it could compromise their investigation.
So people are asking questions like, why didn't the FBI do this?
Why didn't they do that?
No, honestly, you'd have to ask cash.
But one simple example is when it comes to investigations, confessions, or if they're trying.
I'll put it like this.
Let's say they're looking for something very specific that they saw in footage.
Uh let's say it is a bag of in and out with you know, like a happy face drunk on it.
Why won't they put out the footage?
Because they don't want people to go out and just start buying a bunch of bags that in and out drawing happy faces on them and then littering the country and taking pictures of them and giving them noise and static.
Certain information you want to keep close to the chest so that when you're looking for it, no one can fabricate or manipulate.
So uh we deal with this in security where what what we once had a credible threat.
I'll just tell you guys.
I I probably should, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
We had a credible threat, and we were forced to evacuate.
Now, often when we get swatted, we didn't have to evacuate.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
In this instance, someone knew something specific they should not have known.
So when we got SWAT, security said, I need to ask you if X is true.
Is X true?
I said, X is true.
Okay, we're evacuating the building, everyone out.
How would someone have sentenced a threat known as specific detail?
Well, it compromised our security.
So there are reasons why the FBI will collect information and not literally release everything in the public because it could compromise the investigation.
I am not defending anything the FBI has done.
I'm giving you a rational explanation.
And there are people saying, like, they should give us this piece of information.
I say, well, for all you know, that piece of information could actually help the shooter escape.
Uh and I will stress the one thing that's really disconcerting about these conspiracy theories is by all by all means, I'm not gonna tell people not to speculate, ask questions, do that.
But I will also stress boy are people drumming up a lot of reasonable doubt for the defense.
ian crossland
I have to bring this up.
This has been on my mind a lot.
When when a tragedy happens, part of the human brain wants to know what caused that, why did that happen, and understand it so that it doesn't happen again.
We're better defended against it, but you have to keep moving.
If you get distracted by what happened in the past, new avenues of attack open up in front of you in all sorts of ways you don't see coming.
But when when when people are hurting and they don't know why, they develop what's called madness, and it is either gonna take you to sadness or anger.
So if you don't feel the sadness and you don't let yourself, it's it's the this this hatred to figure out and to take control of the situation makes people come up with this fucking bullshit.
So lay off.
Let them do their jobs.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
jack posobiec
You know, uh, you know, today's the uh eight-year anniversary of the Las Vegas shooting.
Wow.
tim pool
We still have no idea what happened, and they never told us, and I'm upset about that.
Yeah.
I I'm I'm I'm I'm I want to make sure this is clear.
Like, I think journalism is important.
I think the I I'll say this with respect to conspiracy theorists is always a smear against people who are actually trying to figure out what's going on.
And any good journalist is a conspiracy theorist.
That being said, I think a lot of people are milking this for clicks, and they're putting out exaggerated claims, palm gun stuff, and that's just silly.
And all and it's like it falls apart really quick.
But I see people with there are people who have channels like 10,000 subs and they got like a million views, and so they're gonna keep pushing these things and they're just muddying it, making it difficult for those of us that are trying to figure out what actually happened.
jack posobiec
Look, I I don't I don't have an issue with anyone who's who's trying to figure out what happened to Charlie, you know, in the sense that if that's really where they're coming from.
tim pool
Agreed.
jack posobiec
Yeah, and that's and that's and that's the way I look at it.
If you're really coming from a place where you've got questions, and who wouldn't, right?
I've got questions, so many questions.
I I sit up at night asking questions.
And at the end of the day, though, if if you are doing that in good faith, then good on you.
Like that's what that's what America's all about.
tim pool
I I I can't tell you how many people I've met who go, You you knew Charlie, right?
I'm like, yeah, like did it really happen?
And I'm like, brother.
jack posobiec
I get that too.
tim pool
I I was on the I was like the amount of phone calls I got of people screaming and crying when this when this was going down.
Yeah, I'm just like, dude.
ian crossland
Dude, when Ian Carroll, the day after it happened, said that Israel did it, or the day two days after, I'm like, it was literally day after.
This is a form of real deep psychosis that needs to be addressed because you become so vulnerable when you forget what's in front of you, and also it can be used against people.
They don't let tragedies go to waste.
unidentified
If you don't let it go, it will get used against you.
jason scoop
I I kind of completely stopped talking to a guy because he's like, he didn't actually die.
And I'm like, I can't I can't.
tim pool
I just can't.
It's like where do you where do you think he's he's at?
Honest question.
Like we're here in the you know I will say is the weirdest thing, Luke.
Did you ever think that you'd be in the conspiracy theory?
It's just it's uh it's it's wild to have I I have bumped into people, I have people ask me, legitimately there are people who think Charlie's still alive.
And I'm like, bro, I will say this.
I walk into this building, I look at these pictures, I look at the people working here, I have I have all the memories.
Some days I wake up and my brain is telling me he he this can't have happened.
Like, But my view of it is not that there's a deep conspiracy.
My view is we have warned about the assassination culture, the violent left.
This has been something we it's been underwriter.
I've personally dealt with attacks, uh, death threats, security issues.
I don't I I I don't even know if I can bring I can't bring up some of these things, but we've had we've had security threats at our at our studio.
I feel like fate broke.
Like the path we were supposed to be on and the future we were heading toward towards was shattered.
So I understand that feeling like you can't believe it, but to bring it to a place where you then push theories or these these I call it denial.
The idea that Charlie escaped on a trapdoor is one of these things.
I'm like, guys, I I I'd give everything if that were true.
jack posobiec
I would you could take all my followers, every dollar in my bank account.
Take it all.
I had one moment for it to be true.
I please do.
luke rudkowski
But sorry, I I mean I I think there are there always is going to be conspiracies.
I mean, there's always people saying I was a part of some kind of other conspiracy.
tim pool
Because you met Bernanke.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That that that we we did a whole bit about this uh back when we were still in my basement.
We we were like doing a conspiracy video about me and Ben Bernanke being in on it and and all that.
So there's always going to be uh conspiracies, but I I I think there are deranged people that have lost their minds, right?
And I I think we should not give those people any attention, but I do believe that there are also some very serious legitimate questions, and the way to beat out those questions is just by asking serious questions and demanding transparency and accountability.
I do believe the FBI could have done a way better job.
I think there are still some things that they could do better, and I think we need to focus on making sure that this never ever happens again.
I think a lot of people genuinely are coming from a good place in their heart who care about Charlie, who love Charlie, who don't who didn't want to see this to happen.
There are crazy people.
Don't give them any attention.
Don't give the fire any fuel.
tim pool
I agree.
I think it's fair to say that there's uh there were individuals posting on social media that indicated a foreknowledge in a larger group of people.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
The FBI is investigating those.
And Cash has even tweeted about this.
I think it's absolutely fine to ask these questions.
And I think it's obvious the FBI has not given us all the information they have, so we don't know just yet.
So I'll wrap that up.
ian crossland
And also, uh, the community that I run in is a bunch of investigative journalists.
So I understand that if you're listening and you have espoused conspiracy theories, I understand that's your programming.
That's the way you've worked.
tim pool
I'm not condemning conspiracy theorists or conspiracy theorists because every good journalist is conspiracy theory.
I'm saying the people out there, like like you were saying, Jack, who genuinely are trying to figure out what happened and legitimately mean it, whatever ideas they may have, I'm totally okay with and I encourage and by the way, it's the people who are exploiting it.
jack posobiec
Like if people uncover something, uh a video, a a picture, you know, Candice came up with some actual pictures that she got a lot of information and information that we that hadn't been out before.
And and like shout out for that, obviously.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
And we want as much of that as possible.
As much as possible of more direct information on what happened to Charlie.
tim pool
As as much as much flack as she's gotten, um, because the people have been saying that she's insinuating Israel did or whatever.
In terms of the actual reporting, she's done one of the best jobs.
And but but there are people who are putting out these wacky, like there was one video that's got millions of views, and they were like, Charlie was shot from behind.
Here's proof.
And then they show a picture of in front of Charlie, and I'm like, guys, you like come on, man.
But I we are we are going out, we are going over.
We've gone over some.
ian crossland
It's also a form of delusion to try and just put it to bed.
No, that's also another weird thing for me to have done.
So I'm sorry to tell people to stop thinking about it and just let it go.
But let's do both.
tim pool
We're over time.
Let's wrap it up there.
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Uh Mr. President, would you like to shout anything out?
unidentified
Sure.
jason scoop
Uh, you guys could follow me at Jason Scoop Comedy on uh TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, and also Donald Trump Impersonator on Instagram.
And and uh Jason Scoop on X as well.
ian crossland
Uh I'm at Ian Cross, and you will find me playing the halftime Super Bowl show this week.
tim pool
Scott Staff.
luke rudkowski
Manifest it, bruh.
ian crossland
The new one I wrote.
jack posobiec
There you go.
There you go.
Well, uh uh Jack at Jack Pasobic and uh make if you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, uh you check out TP USA.com if you want to if you want to find a chapter, you can find a chapter.
If you want to start a chapter, you can start a chapter at TPUSA.com.
Also check out TP Action and uh we've got America and by the way, America Fest Amfest is going on.
That will be in December.
So lock your tickets in now if you can.
Um it's it's gonna sell out.
Like it's gonna sell it beyond sell out and the the interest is through the beyond beyond the roof.
In fact we we may have to be expanding into like other we're gonna take over all of downtown Phoenix basically.
tim pool
Yeah that we can I don't know what I'm supposed to say or whatever but just the scuttle butt is buy your ticket literally right now.
jack posobiec
Yeah buy it right now.
tim pool
Yeah no joke no joke.
The the past few years have been amazing.
James O'Keeffe's parties are nuts and there were already conversations of this being the biggest ever now I'm just gonna I'll just the scuttle button you're gonna very little time left to get tickets.
jack posobiec
Word of the wise it's gonna sell out like real I I'd love for you to be there and you know is what it is.
tim pool
Don't don't come crying to me if uh you know dude it's we're there's I I'm not you were warned he Jack's right about taking over of downtown it's gonna be the biggest ever and the tickets are gonna sell it really quick.
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