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Leftist Terror Attack On ICE In Dallas, Jimmy Kimmel Doubles Down Insulting MAGA | Timcast IRL
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phil labonte
This morning, just before 7 a.m. local time, a shooter opened fire on a Dallas ice facility, killing one and leaving two others in critical condition.
Now, this is the fourth attack on an ice facility since August 1st.
So this summer has been a massively uh violent time, and we're gonna talk about that tonight, and it's probably gonna be the the major topic of conversation.
Uh Tim is gonna be doing a piece with Jesse Waters, and we're gonna cover that, but before we do, why don't we go ahead and go around the table and introduce everybody?
Marty O'Donnell is our our guest today.
So tell everyone about yourself, Marty.
martin odonnell
We can talk about violence all you want, but at some point we've got to talk about some video games, which are not violence.
This is why people aren't violent, because they're playing video games instead.
Uh yeah, so I uh I'm a composer and audio director, and I did Halo and Destiny and uh Miss uh Myth the Fallen Lords and Oni and whole bunch of games.
Uh before that I did TV commercials.
phil labonte
So uh and now you're running for Congress, right?
martin odonnell
And now yes, instead of retiring and playing with my grandsons, which I still am going to do.
I'm still gonna play with my three grandsons.
Uh I decided I it's time for me to do my civic duty and and payback because I'm gonna run for Congress and uh unseat the Democrat Congresswoman in my district in Nevada and swap it out with a Republican.
unidentified
Me.
phil labonte
Awesome.
Well, thank you for joining us.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Brett is here.
brett dasovic
Guys, what's going on?
It's Brett.
Normally we're doing pop culture crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
You should join us there.
But we got a bunch to get into tonight.
ian crossland
I'm also in the house.
Hello, Phil.
Hello, everyone.
Good to meet you, Marty.
martin odonnell
Yeah, nice to meet you all.
ian crossland
I'm a video game official.
Since 1983, I think when I got my start playing atari for the first time.
So that's cool.
phil labonte
The Atari was your first one?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a big one.
We got a Commodore 64 and Atari 2600 in the house.
phil labonte
I had both of those myself.
Yes.
ian crossland
Mail Order Monsters.
Shout out.
phil labonte
Awesome.
All right, so we're gonna jump right into this from Reuters.
Gunman row anti-ice on unused bullet in fatal attack on Dallas Immigration Office.
McKinney, Texas, September 24th.
A gunman row anti-ICE on an unused bullet killed one detainee and wounded two others on Wednesday when he fired on an immigration and customs enforcement field office in Dallas from a nearby rooftop before taking his own life, officials said.
FBI director Cash Patel posted a photo on X of what he said was the susp suspect's unused ammon ammunition showing the shell casing of one round inscribed with the phrase anti-ICE along where to go along some along the side.
Um while the investigation is ongoing, an initial review of the evidence shows an ideological motive behind this attack, Patel wrote.
U.S. President Donald Trump quickly politicized the incident on his truth social platform, accusing the radical left Democrats of stoking anti-ICE violence by constantly demonizing law enforcement, calling for ice to be demolished, and comparing ICE to officers to Nazis.
Now look, if the Democrats are actually against these attacks, and like I said earlier, there have been four ICE uh ice facilities attacked just since August 1st.
If Democrats are actually against these, it is incumbent on the Democrats to make a simple statement.
Allow ICE to do its job.
Stop attacking ICE facilities.
They don't, they have not, because generally they want to see this activity.
They want to see people frustrated with ice and they want to see people taking matters into their own hands.
unidentified
The I mean seriously, uh give me a break.
martin odonnell
They're gonna accuse Trump of politicizing something because he said this is a kid who's leftist and he's writes anti-ICE, so he's anti-ICE.
How is that politicizing?
He's just it's just the fact.
phil labonte
Yeah.
martin odonnell
Like it's the kid already said I'm I'm a leftist and I'm anti-ICE, and this his whole family and the whole background is that that it's already been politicized.
It's not something Donald Trump did.
brett dasovic
If I wanted to talk about the politicization of it, you'd talk about Gavin Newsom, who went on with Jimmy Kimmel last night, immediately just literally just last night, talking about anti-mask lol, ironic policies that they're implementing in the state of California to prevent ICE officers from wearing masks so they work.
And then they're like, but why would they want to cover their face?
Oh, I have no idea.
And then of course this happens the very next day.
You could make the argument that what he said the night before played a larger role in what happened today than any so-called politicization that Trump did merely by pointing out what the obvious political affiliation of somebody who writes anti-ICE on ammunition.
phil labonte
And whether it be whether it be Gavin Newsom or whether it be Pritzker who's been saying calling you know ice gestapo, yeah, calling Donald Trump a fascist, saying that that the enforcement of immigration law is a terrible, terrible thing, and it's it's evil, and you're your disabil the f the the vernacular they use, too.
You're disappointed.
AOC uh Gestapo and uh stormtroopers, a major from Washington, um obviously AOC, the whole, you know, uh Omar has been saying it.
The whole squad.
I mean, this is not some kind of isolated one particular uh congressperson or one representative that's actually speaking out of pocket.
This is the constant refrain from the Democrats for at least the past ten years.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
phil labonte
And this is this is normal, and I think that this is what you see.
You see people saying, look, it is incumbent on us to go and take matters into our own hand, because again, the the type of rhetoric that you get, it's not just that Donald Trump is is a fascist or a Nazi, it's also there won't be elections again.
How many times have you been last night too?
Yeah.
martin odonnell
So Newsom is saying there won't be a end of democracy, it's a threat to democracy.
It's a you know, it's they they've been saying this for so long.
But here's the thing it's the center of the left that's saying this.
You know, you compare you have to compare center left and center right, and it's like what the right is saying on the at the center is just common sense, normal stuff.
I wish it was just the far left, but the center of the left is saying this crazy wacky, horrible stuff.
ian crossland
I get the feeling that they're they're justifying it by thinking, okay, you know what, a little bit of chaos can create good in society, so let's let's maybe allow that to happen, and that they think that what it will happen is that the government will ease off and pull back on ice.
But what you don't realize is when you stoke chaos, no one controls that.
phil labonte
I totally disagree with you.
I don't think that it's about trying to produce a what they what anyone would consider good.
It's literally just trying to produce chaos in order to stymie the administration from doing what they were voted into office to do.
ian crossland
Well, the people in some of these states with the big cities, especially, if you've ever lived in like a big city, there's a lot of illegal immigrants that end up becoming your friends in those cities.
And if they're getting yanked out of their houses, they're probably like, this is the most evil thing I've ever experienced.
We have to stop it.
brett dasovic
Like that's are you talking about citizens or are you talking about politicians?
Because we're he's talking about the way that the politicians are framing it, which is very different from the way your neighbors are going to frame it.
ian crossland
The politicians may be more are maybe have a more of an agenda, but the people, the message is getting like it's stoking this feeling of like what's happening is evil.
People are thinking it's evil and they they're they're supposed to break the law to stop the evil.
martin odonnell
The left is saying it's evil, but like I don't believe my constituents in Las Vegas.
Most of these people who are uh, you know, they're they're legal immigrants.
They went through the process.
They they feel like the illegals and the open borders is what's causing all the chaos.
And they they don't see ice as anything but something that is going to help fix the situation.
So um I I just feel like the middle of the left, the center left people are what you said, which is like we want to disrupt Donald Trump at all costs, no matter what happens, and that what that's gonna do is going to cause the fringy, you know, nihilistic, crazy kids to go out there and just start shooting and and then committing suicide.
This is another guy who commits suicide today, right?
So it's like this nihilism, this violent nihilism is going to like.
I I have two choices because nothing has any meaning.
I'm gonna commit suicide and I'm going to commit uh uh murder people, yeah.
In that in usually in the order of murdering first.
phil labonte
Yeah.
brett dasovic
I don't know how much time we have before they have to run uh Tim's segment, but what do you do you think it has been a net benefit or a net positive?
Because we're talking about how it's being framed from the left.
But the video, do you see the Theo Vaughn thing about being framed in the ice video?
Do you think that those videos from DHS are doing more harm than good?
phil labonte
Uh I think that those are probably throwing red meat to the base.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I I there probably are people that see them and and say, Oh, this is so terrible that they're doing this, it's so awful that they're saying these things.
Um, and obviously Theo Vaughn is is like, look, man, don't paint a target on me.
And that's a legitimate concern.
brett dasovic
I uh he said that yesterday, and then this happens today.
He's like, I don't want to get caught up in the case.
phil labonte
Yeah, I and I totally respect his perspective.
But I do think that the people that are are looking at those things and that are apoplectic about them.
It if it wasn't a a video that ICE put out, it would be something else that they would be apoplectic about.
They would be the the reaction that they have is going to be the same, whether it be something that the right thinks is funny or whether it be something totally mundane and anodyne, right?
ian crossland
I got the way it would be.
Did you guys see the ICE uh video of Pokemon?
brett dasovic
Pokemon.
ian crossland
They started uh Oh, we're about to go with um that uh they use the song, the theme song for Pokemon.
My friend Jason Page is the singer.
So I turn it on, I hear my friend's voice singing, gotta catch them, and they're grabbing illegal immigrants, and it's like that's what I was talking about.
brett dasovic
That's what I was asking Phil about.
I said, Do you think that video is a benefit for the base or not?
ian crossland
I want to ask Marty.
I know we're about to go to a clip, but like how would you feel if one of your musics or or your own vocals were just taken and used by a couple of things?
martin odonnell
I've my Halo Monk chat has been used in a lot of places.
I never approved.
So yeah, I wouldn't be happy about it.
phil labonte
I'm guilty of that, my bandro.
unidentified
I told Marty we're I didn't say I was upset about all of them.
phil labonte
But I I just want to you make sure I'm coming clean.
All the remains we we use that for a long, long time.
martin odonnell
Write me a check after the show.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
There won't be a lot of zeros.
Um yeah, I guess uh Tim is gonna be on um what is it?
Jesse Waters in in just a minute or so.
Um Jesse Larding.
So if you want to bring it up and actually bring up the uh the volume, we can we can jump in here so that way we get a little bit of the the pre hit context.
unidentified
The topics topic is obviously going to be the violence that the left is uh engaging in lately.
martin odonnell
Yeah, still getting harassed.
Seeing Gavin mission.
I gotta Gavin miss some story to tell you guys.
So remind me after this.
unidentified
I thought That was so uh irresponsible of him last night.
jesse watters
That conservative needed a police escort to leave campus.
Kimmel lost his job for four days, and they said free speech was under attack.
Charlie Kirk was killed for exercising free speech, and they said he had it coming.
They say we need more civil debate, and we need to be more civil.
So when we try to engage in civilized debate, they chase us off campus.
Now the freedom of the press is under attack.
But when it's conservative press, the media is silent.
Here's a reporter getting swarmed outside the UN.
Watch.
unidentified
Like that Charlie Kirk.
Why would I say that?
martin odonnell
Why would I say that?
unidentified
No, he's not.
Oh, look at you.
Look at you.
He's not black women.
Hey, hey, stop it.
Stop it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
jesse watters
That looks civil.
Hillary says the rhetoric has to stop.
And we agree, but she says, not from her, from you.
unidentified
We have got to stop demonizing each other.
Yeah.
Now, I think most of that right now in our country's history is coming.
phil labonte
You know, from the right.
unidentified
You know, we have got to stop with the finger pointing and the scapegoating.
jesse watters
Hillary called half the country deplorables and irredeemable, despicable Neanderthals.
He needed to be deprogrammed.
unidentified
And actually and have their first and second amendment stripped.
jesse watters
What is the right said about Hillary that Bill hasn't already said?
And it's not like men in MAGA hats are shooting up planned parenthoods and Hollywood celebrities or journalists or politicians.
No one on the right is acting on the language we're using.
On the left, they are.
And it's starting to feel like that's the Democrats' strategy.
Intimidate us into shutting our mouths.
They're using bullets to bully us into political submission.
It kind of feels like they know what they're doing.
jd vance
Political violence has gotten out of control in this country.
We gotta stop it.
We gotta condemn it, and that starts, unfortunately, at the very top of the Democratic Party.
If you want to stop political violence, stop attacking our law enforcement as the Gestapo.
martin odonnell
There you go.
jd vance
If you want to stop political violence, stop telling your supporters that everybody who disagrees with you is a Nazi.
If you want to stop political violence, look in the mirror.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
jesse watters
And if they're not gonna look in the mirror and stop triggering their crazies to shoot us, stab us, and blow up our cars, then we're gonna have to crack down.
We can't sit back and not defend ourselves.
It's open season on us.
And if we're not gonna save ourselves, who else are we gonna save?
Host of Tim Cast, Tim Poole joins me now.
How hot is it right out there now these days?
tim pool
I've I've never received more death threats.
We uh I've also got very serious security where we do our show.
The threat level was so great.
My team instructed me not to travel.
I was unable to go to the memorial for Charlie Kirk.
But you know, Jesse, earlier just now you were mentioning the attacks that we've seen throughout the past weeks and months, but I want to make make sure this is clear as it pertains to Jimmy Kimmel.
The initial reporting was that advertisers and affiliates were upset.
Sinclair said they wanted to bring the temperature down.
None of that has changed.
Sinclair and next door are still saying they will preempt his show.
As far as we know, advertisers are still upset.
So what made the difference that brought his show back?
Well, this is a little bit of speculation, but there was a terror attack on an ABC affiliate in Sacramento by what is reported to be a Democrat who opened fire on the building.
And it's been reported by the New York Post that Sinclair pulled their Charlie Kirk memorial because of terroristic threats against ABC affiliates.
So I agree with you, it's open season on people who are standing up, speaking out or supporting Trump.
But the left is also attacking regular people to force their will.
And I think it's because they recognized Donald Trump won the popular vote.
Normal people have spoken, and they're not tolerating their strange policies that are destroying this country anymore.
jesse watters
I'm afraid an ice agent's gonna get shot.
I I'm afraid they're gonna shoot him in cold blood.
They're gonna put a gun right to his head, and that's what's next.
They're not gonna just sit on rooftops and fire rifles.
I feel like we're gonna see blood in the streets if this continues to go the Way it's going.
unidentified
For sure.
tim pool
I think we have, especially with Charlie Kirk.
It was horrifying.
And you know, I want to make a point because Jesse, I was watching the five earlier, and we hear this a lot from liberals that these studies show the right is more responsible.
But see, this is a trick.
I don't think you and I have any problem condemning some fringe white supremacist that has nothing to do with what we believe or what we support.
No one in the mainstream Republican Party is going to defend those guys.
But the person who shot Charlie Kirk, his ideology was so in line with the Democratic Party that AOC went on the floor of the House and denounced Charlie Kirk in much the same language.
This is what we are seeing from run-of-the-mill moderate Democrats.
That's actually what has me more concerned.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
jesse watters
And the leadership says nothing.
Hakeem's out to lunch, Pelosi's out to lunch, Schumer doesn't even know what's going on.
And that's the real problem because the crazies have now taken over.
All right, Tim, stay safe.
Good to talk to you.
unidentified
You know, to just bring in Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
phil labonte
I don't think that I agree that the leaders are out to lunch.
I think the leadership has changed.
The people that are actually setting the tone for the left or for the Democrats now, they are people like Ilhan Omar.
unidentified
They are people like – And the old leaders are afraid of those people.
Yeah.
martin odonnell
Absolutely.
They're they're deathly afraid of the followers of those people.
And so they they've been usurped.
I agree with you totally.
phil labonte
All right.
ian crossland
Tim Poole in the house.
Yeah, it's magic.
It was a time warp.
tim pool
What are you guys talking about?
Shout out to Jesse Waters.
ian crossland
Talking about video game.
No, we're just talking about you actually, and kind of following up with the conversation.
tim pool
It's getting warm in here.
I'm gonna turn it off.
martin odonnell
Yeah, it's fine.
I was my neck was cold.
ian crossland
Um have you unmuted this?
Where were we at at this point?
Oh, talking about the leadership in the Democratic Party, and the actually maybe the real leadership is the youth of the Democratic Party.
phil labonte
AOC in the squad and the Ilhan O'March.
tim pool
With with uh AOC reported to want to run for president in 2028.
Because the the point I was just making to uh Jesse Waters, uh that I've made on the show before.
I don't I don't care to denounce, you see, I'm running some fringe white supremacist guy.
Like we all will denounce that.
Nobody wants to support that.
But AOC goes on the House floor and condemns Charlie Kirk and spreads those lies, the same lies that motivated the shooter, as far as we know.
unidentified
Yeah, she absolutely did.
martin odonnell
The common sense center of the right is not labeling even the common the the left, uh the far left or the or the even the middle left with the same kind of vitriol that we're hearing coming back at us.
We're not.
We're like, hey, do you have different ideas?
Do you have different goals?
Let's talk.
Are you socialists?
Let's talk about your socialism and why we think it doesn't work.
Well, we're not calling you an existential threat, and we're not calling you, you know, uh killers or something, ex and unless you start ki continuing to call us Gestapo and Nazis, which is encouraging the fringe nihilists to start shooting at us.
ian crossland
You know, one thing during Biden's reign, um, no one on this show referred to him as Hitler.
What they were doing with Twitter, especially the fascist regime affecting and controlling the corporate media.
We still didn't fall back on ad hominem attacks and likening him to a terrorist threat.
It was just like, look, we're gonna create better leadership and we're gonna change this.
brett dasovic
The closest I can think of that is when he gave that speech with the all red background.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
phil labonte
Even then it was authoritarian.
jesse watters
There were comments.
phil labonte
The right stopped short of actually calling him a fascist or or at least of of Nazi or something like that.
Maybe there were people that said fascist, but y that that was a little and that was a little hyperbolic.
martin odonnell
It's weird imagery that didn't make sense.
But like we don't even know what to call somebody when we're being called fascist.
What's the opposite?
brett dasovic
Uh I think there is a segment of the right, especially after what happened to Charlie Kirk, where they're they're using the term demonic and they're referring to that, you know, there is that labeling of their views as demonic, and that was all in the wake of what happened to Charlie Kirk, and that would be the closest I can think of on the right is their label for those on the other side.
martin odonnell
Probably the difference is we might you know my father and my father-in-law fought in World War II, fought against Nazis, fought against, you know, I I knew somebody who was one of the first guys into Auschwitz.
So that's real evil.
And yeah, we have to have organized ways of of fighting real evil.
But when it comes to spiritual evil, we're talking about a spiritual battle.
So we're not using guns to fight a spiritual battle, but coming back at us now is this actual kinetic weaponry.
tim pool
It's it is it's our culture, it's what we believe, it's how we see the world.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, there was one interesting thing.
You know, when you when you go on these shows, shout out to Jesse and Fox.
You only get a couple minutes, right?
It's like one or two questions.
I think the last time I went on, I just talked for like four minutes and then he jumps in.
But he he made this point uh uh earlier in his opening that on the left they're saying, we're at war, we're at war.
And you know, we have to fight and do whatever we have to do to win that war.
Uh the right's saying that too.
I I think it's absolutely fine.
There's gonna be a lot of liberals and they're gonna say, Oh, yeah, well, Alex Jones was saying that shit, just that.
And I'll say, indeed he was.
But I want to make this clear.
We didn't start a war.
I didn't.
martin odonnell
No.
tim pool
Uh uh when they censored me and silenced me, when they accused me of lies and tried to smear me to my own friends and family, and then when they showed up to events that I was putting on and threatened to burn down theaters, I never went anywhere near these people.
We tried having a an event in uh I think it's Pittman, New Jersey, and far leftists, anti-fail line threatened to burn the theater down.
And so it we had planned it for nine months, two weeks out, they cancel on us.
And he tells us to screw herself, uh screw ourselves, we'll see us, we'll see him.
He's like, I don't I don't care.
Nothing, nothing you say will change the fact they're gonna burn my theater down.
He's like, You can sue me for everything, but I'd lose my theater uh uh either either way.
I did not go to an Antifa club and threaten them.
Yeah, they attacked me.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
And so it's fascinating to see that we vote, we win, they attack.
We vote, we lose, they attack.
We vote, we win, they attack again, all the while saying they are at war with us.
And now you are getting people on the right saying it's time to wake up, they are trying to destroy us.
And that was a was a huge wake-up call with Charlie Kirk.
But I but I do think Jimmy Kimmel should be a very serious wake-up call for everybody in that a a according to the reporting, there's a Democrat aligned individual, a liberal who shot up an ABC station and several other afflates received terroristic threats over the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel, and they gave him his show back.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
ABC said we're more we're we're more scared of the terror from the left than the concerns from the right.
ian crossland
They also lost two percent of their their value.
Disney lost two percent stock value at four billion.
Is it really three point eight billion dollars?
tim pool
Amazon lost more.
ian crossland
Oh, the stock markets, basically.
tim pool
So th again, we are we are we are dealing with an unrepentant force.
Okay, they are going on acts and saying, haha, we did it, boys.
Disney just lost three billion dollars.
They did not lose three billion dollars.
There's an estimated loss of around two to three billion market share from the dip of two percent.
But if you track the stock market like any sane person, you'll see Amazon dipped more.
This is my there's no indication that Jimmy Kimmel, a single show on Disney, caused the entirety of the Disney corporation, which owns Marvel and Star Wars to decline.
It's the lie they use to justify when the show comes back on the air after a literal terror attack, they then go, it's because we cost them money.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about because you're saying kinetic warfare of guns and spiritual warfare, and like how do you how do you do this?
So I'm thinking you need to forgive your enemies.
I know this sounds very weird, but in the metaphor of if you're being attacked over and over and you're like, stop, please stop, and they don't, and you're like, listen, my military is so much you have no idea the hell that will be rained upon you if you keep doing this.
Please stop.
And they don't.
I forgive you for not knowing what you're doing, but I will still issue whatever it takes to stop that threat.
tim pool
Define retribution.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And I don't I don't hold any hatred for those people because they didn't know any of them.
tim pool
But he's he's correct.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say.
To to your point, that's exactly what we're calling for.
We want the power, we want the government to use its authority to stop this behavior.
martin odonnell
Let me let me so by the way, the government is the place that has the authority to do it, and and that is something we're depending upon.
Uh so that's not the spiritual warfare.
The government is not spiritual, it doesn't have to do a spiritual thing.
That's that's where the Bible is set up, the government as the authority that can do this.
tim pool
To Ian's point, there's a lot of people in the chat saying he's wrong, but he is completely correct.
And I believe that there was someone on X who made a great quote that Jesus forgave the thief on the cross, but he did not save his life.
The point is, Ian is making a great point.
We are not the ones who hold hatred in our hearts and look at them and just say, you know what, I don't care anymore, I just hate you.
We are the ones who say, forgive them for they know not what they do, and now round them up, arrest them.
These are criminals.
Forgive does not mean to just let them run roughshot over the country and destroy everything we love.
It means that we don't we won't let ourselves be blinded by hatred.
We will think logically and clearly, and we will build a better union in society.
I I agree with Ian on this one.
Yeah.
It absolutely means use all available legal and lawful authority to stop these violent terrorists and their threats.
Just don't hold hate.
That's that's gonna blind you, it's gonna confuse you, it's gonna disrupt your logic, it's bad for strategy.
And that's the funny thing too about the forgive then they know uh for they're not what they do is there's more than just the noble of I am gonna be a better person and and I'm gonna remove that hatred from myself, but I'm not gonna spare you.
There's also the functional, the scientific, that when you are enraged, you don't think clearly.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So we need to approach this project uh problem logically.
That's why after Charlie Kirk was killed, and and I, uh tear stricken from seeing this, still said cooler heads must prevail.
martin odonnell
Right.
tim pool
We need to stop, pause, make sure there's no immediate reaction, keep calm, and then assess what the problem is and how to solve it.
And I think that is now, especially with this morning, the terror, the terror attack this morning.
I don't believe that we are looking at a simple solution.
The Trump administration declaring anti-fa terrorist organization is good.
He's apparently going to have another executive order targeting leftist organizations that are funding these things.
I believe they should do all of that.
However, I also believe that will escalate the left that will push them, they will get angrier.
But that is no excuse because the alternative is to let them burn everything down.
After we decide we will use the legal means to stop terrorism.
I mean, a man opened fire indiscriminately on a vehicle, and that's how two detainees uh ended up dying.
Yeah, and and the and the liberals are using that as though uh he must be right wing.
No, no, he was insane.
He hated the right, he heard all of the rhetoric from the left.
We need to stop these people with every legal tool we have, and we will be calm and collected about it and stern.
And as they kick and scream like demons and banshees, we will not be moved.
We will say the job must be done, off to jail you go.
ian crossland
And regarding this using every legal means, this is I kind of brought this up before the show.
I think about using evil to create order.
And sometimes you have your alignment, maybe you're 70 out of 100 good.
If you do some evil, it's gonna drop your alignment by 10 points.
But it may raise your order by 20 points.
And it we have to discuss openly about what evil we're willing to see and allow to happen.
None because well, many people will say I'm only good, I'm only orderly, nothing.
And then they turn a blind eye to the real evil because war itself is killing humans to create order.
There is an evil act to create order, and there's a net benefit, ideally.
phil labonte
Killing humans is not always evil.
ian crossland
Yeah, well, I think.
martin odonnell
I think your definition of evil is is problematic.
Um so even even the Bible says thou shalt not kill, and kill implies the term murder.
Uh if you're killing, if you have to kill to prevent a death of an innocent or self-defense, the Bible says that's fine.
And it's not an evil.
Now, in the big picture, let me just complete this.
In the big picture, evil is in the world because man defied God.
And so we have to turn back to God.
But we're in the kingdom of Cain.
This is where brother kills brother.
This is the result of the fall.
So if in the in that big picture, any sort of death is the result of evil, but uh, it's not an evil act to defend the end.
ian crossland
The way I see is like murder is will drop your alignment to zero.
That is, do not ever, if we become permanent evil or permanent chaos, we lose.
Do not murder.
But killing in combat, it aligns with society.
It's called alignment because we know that's their job.
So it it is evil, but it's not that evil.
phil labonte
But it's like killing is literally it's not that that's murder is no murder is evil.
I mean, no, listen, the there's a diff there's a different word in the Bible for murder and kill.
Yeah, murder is evil, killing is not evil.
tim pool
I'm gonna I'm gonna speak.
Guys, guys, I gotta speak video game to Ian.
Gotta speak video game to you.
Please think when the guys are red, when they're when their names are in red, your alignment doesn't have to be a good thing.
ian crossland
No, you don't because the rest of the human condition knows that what you're doing is righteous.
tim pool
It's like if you're killing wolves.
Let me let me explain, right?
I you guys are speaking in biblical terms.
Ian's speaking speaking dungeons and dragons, and I understand the point he's trying to make, but it doesn't apply to real life.
And the the analogy that I'll use is uh we'll use Skyrim, for example.
If the person's name is green and you attack them, your alignment goes down.
If the person's name is red, you you nothing.
There's There's no change.
It's it's the and to bring it to reality for the sake of what your argument is.
If someone is evil, they are acting to destroy to harm others for there's a variety of reasons that they do this.
Stopping them is good.
ian crossland
Well, look at it.
tim pool
It's lamentable.
We don't want people to die, but it's not evil to stop an evil person.
It is just something we genuinely try to avoid do that let me let me just say this about the modern culture war and where we are.
What we would describe as the right the whole time has been making the argument we can never be evil.
And what do you see?
Viral videos that are going viral right now, especially in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder, of people on the right at various rallies being mercilessly beaten and not fighting back.
There's uh Andy Noah is as a really great example.
When he was in Portland and he's drenched in milkshake and bleeding from the ears, disoriented, he is not fighting anyone.
He is simply trying to walk away.
And that is a problem because evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
But it and now the attitude has changed.
And it's changed for for one big reason.
This right that we call it, which I don't even know if it makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Call it America, whatever.
Said we still will not go and attack leftists, go to their place of worship or business, whatever it may be, their DEI offices.
They said, We're going to vote.
We vote for you, Donald Trump.
Please use the legal lawful authority for which all of the people of our country have agreed upon to exercise that authority against those who would transgress upon us.
And he is now, and and now we are saying, bring it on.
ian crossland
But the thing about evil is it's how how it aligns with the rest of people seeing the action.
If people feel and think that it's evil, and 99% of the world thinks it's evil, then it is according to alignment.
That's why they call it alignment.
It's how aligned are you with the rest of us.
brett dasovic
You're talking about the perspective of people.
You're not addressing the fact whether it is or it isn't.
You're talking about how it's perceived by other people.
They have been manipulating your ability to act based on how they will per uh portray it to the rest of the world.
Like he said with Andy No, if Andy No doesn't attack back, they can't label him as an as somebody attacking other people.
So for a long time, the right has had to tie their hands behind their back and not let themselves at let themselves act, excuse me, because of the fact that the media would paint them in a certain way.
Now we live in the age of the internet and social media, and the information makes it to people much quicker without the bend from the media telling you what this act was from another person.
tim pool
This is a great point because what would happen is if Andy No did swing back, they would edit the video to remove the attack on him and say Andy No attacks people.
The difference is now Trump won the popular vote, and regular people have the confidence to say, enough.
We are not the minority anymore.
And so what's happening now is in the wake of Charlie Kirk's killing, in the wake of the a terror attack on ABC, and now this morning's terror attack.
I mean, the dam is breaking the right is saying, Trump, get the get the feds, get law enforcement.
If this doesn't stop here, it will only get worse.
brett dasovic
They were doing it the other day with the lady who got in the face of the ice officer, right?
And they were like, look at what this guy did to this poor woman.
Except for the fact was when you look at the whole video, she got in his face, they removed her, she came back, got into his face again, and went back again.
They understand that they will be able to clip that video, portray that guy who works for ICE a specific way, and it doesn't matter if what their followers believe is true, if it is not actually true.
If you're acting in good faith, if you are doing the right thing, it doesn't matter if what they are showing you is bent and wrong and manipulated.
What matters is that you acted in good faith, you did the right thing, and the whole video is there for people to find, but they have to be go willing to go out and find that video.
They have to be willing to seek the truth of the matter.
If you're talking about people who aren't looking to seek the truth of the matter, especially in politics, it's a lost cause because most people aren't.
Most people are going out there, they're looking for videos and narratives that reinforce their view of the world.
You cannot act as if everything you're doing is to try and change their mind.
You can't change their mind.
You simply have to act properly.
martin odonnell
There's something you said.
This is the function of government.
The prime reason that we have government is so that we normal people don't have to try to create order for ourselves.
We we give that right to the the government, and it needs to create order and it needs to create safety, but to be real order and real safety, and then laws can follow from that.
But we have nothing, laws mean nothing without actual order and safety.
tim pool
This is orders for order for ourselves.
martin odonnell
That's what I mean.
When I mean that's we're using the government.
We're not doing it.
We're not taking our own guns and going out and starting this.
tim pool
Here's here's the here's the principal philosophical challenge that we face as a nation is that we are good people.
And that's a fact.
You look around the world.
What we as a nation have said, going back to our founding fathers, and even before then is to be fair to everyone, we will write down what we expect of you and give you a chance to review this.
And even in the instance you infringe upon the rules we have agreed to create, we will still give you a chance.
We have given every opportunity to the the antagonists of our way of life.
And so the issue now is laws don't matter.
We talked about this last night on the members only portion of the show.
So join our Discord server at Timcast.com where someone someone said they were libertarian and they think we should get rid of the Civil Rights Act.
And I said, it literally doesn't matter if we do or do not have the Civil Rights Act.
The Civil Rights Act was created because our country was bifurcated.
And so they said, we're voting.
They voted.
Okay, here are the rules.
Many in the in in southern states still didn't want to comply with it.
National Guard got called in and said, you will comply, and they used force.
In a society where everyone agrees, you you need not any laws.
You don't need any.
Imagine if every single person was I was identical in their worldview and belief, there'd be no theft.
There'd be no murder.
And there would be no need for police because nobody would agree upon somebody else.
Maybe courts, because sometimes people disagree and they have arguments, and so you need civil matters.
But we don't live in that society.
And so the problem right now is as we talk about the laws we want enforced.
The people of the United States need to recognize we are not in this, as the Democrats called it, war with Americans.
We are a constitutional republic of the United States in a conflict with a multicultural democracy of the United States.
And that's a quote.
He said, There are two nations occupying the borders of the U.S. constitutional republic and multicultural democracy.
And he said he was for the multicultural democracy.
And I said, fair point.
I'm from the const I'm for the constitutional republic.
In which case you can now recognize the distinction in this conflict.
The multicultural democracy doesn't care what our laws are.
We are we are a separate entity.
That's why they simultaneously argued that Charlie Kirk should have been jailed for his speech, and Jimmy Kimmel is a martyr for free speech.
What they're really saying is, you are not us.
So I just went on uh Jesse Waters' show and he played all of these clips about ICE agents, masked thugs, kidnapping people.
Gavin Newsom going on uh was on Colbert the other day, saying, masked men, jumping out, disappearing people, members of our community.
And I said, illegal immigrants aren't members of our community, but you see the distinction.
When we vote in this country, our Congress, our courts, our laws, our representatives, they all agree to the terms that we have drafted, and that is illegal immigration is a crime for which you can be deported.
The multicultural democracy of this country, Zoran Mamdani, a good example running for office, says we must protect our people from ice.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
What does that mean?
I beg of people to understand this philosophical and functional distinction.
When I say something like, um I'm a I'm a guitar player, you're a piano player.
When I say we must guitar players come together and destroy the piano players, why would you ever think I was including you as a guitar player?
There's a clear distinction as to who we each are, and we are different.
So when Zoran Mamdani says our people must be protected, he is telling you, the American voter, you are outside of his community.
Your votes are meaningless to him.
Your whims, your wills, your laws, meaningless to him.
When you elect Donald Trump and he wins the popular vote, and you say, please, Mr. President, illegal immigration is a very large concern for the American people.
Zoran Mamdanny looks your way and says to you, you are not one of us, and we will do everything we can to stop you.
And to this is the distinction.
phil labonte
To your point, that's the distinction they're making when they say our democracy.
They're not talking about the United States.
They're talking about the Democrats and people that align with them.
Because they've already made the distinction by saying they are fascists.
They are trying to destroy our democracy.
Right.
The people that they that they point at and claim are fascists, those people are not part of the city.
tim pool
I want to say one one quick thing before we jump to the next story.
I just want to I just want to help people as best as I can give you the the the context clues.
They burn the American flag.
martin odonnell
Right.
tim pool
They fly a unique flag called the progress pride flag.
They say our democracy.
They say you are a threat to our democracy.
They say we are at war with you.
I did not ask for this.
I begged for it to stop every step of the way.
They lie.
They say that I'm far right.
They say Ian is far right.
He's moon lord.
It's because we exist outside of their community.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I don't blame them.
But they are a chaotic force that has grown within the United States that seeks to upend and defy the United States.
They mock our history.
They destroy our statues.
They rename our military bases and our streets.
They have tried to kill the president.
They have killed our most prominent political leader, young leader in Charlie Kirk.
They shot up a news station because they took their high priest off the air.
I don't understand what else people need to hear to understand we are not talking about roommates in a single house.
You are not having a disagreement with your brother anymore.
And I hate to say this because people are going to say it's acceleration or whatever, but there is a reality here.
There is someone outside of your home banging on the door.
They are saying, I can do what I want to you.
And the question is, are you going to open the door and let them, or are you going to ask the police through lawful means, please make this person stop?
That's where we're at, right we are at right now.
This multicultural democracy seeks to upend and destroy.
We have called the police, Donald Trump, and said, please start arresting these people.
And guess what?
Surprise, surprise.
The criminals often shoot back.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
One of the, I just want to, for you young guys, who here remembers when uh Clinton uh was inaugurated.
phil labonte
I do.
martin odonnell
Okay.
tim pool
Vaguely.
phil labonte
I'm 50.
martin odonnell
I I remember watching this in horror, not because he was inaugurated.
It was like, okay, here's our new president.
I there was an actor who I forget his name, but he was watching the celebration, and the jets flew over.
The blue angels flew over, and this guy was interviewed, and he goes, you know, I looked up in the sky and I saw those military planes, and I thought, those are our planes now.
ian crossland
Yep.
martin odonnell
There it is.
It's like it's like, no, dude, these were always our planes.
Our military, our police, this is what we're together, even though we have different parties, it's still us.
And that was one of the first times I saw this real distinction of even Michelle Obama saying, I'm finally proud of our country, uh, when her husband was nominated or elected, I forget which one it was.
And it's like, but it's like it this use of our country is excluding half of the world.
ian crossland
The basis of communism is we are all in this together until you get it, and then one guy's on the top.
Yes, let me let me just same age old crap.
tim pool
Let me let me ask you guys, uh, also remembering the Iraq war, for instance, or even the more modern conflicts we've seen against ISIS.
Uh how often do we in this country publicly high profile among all of our political pundits and politicians lament the extrajudicial killings of people in a foreign land.
Abdul Rahman Alalaki, who I love to bring up, was murdered by Barack Obama.
I uh uh he with with drones, he uh his administration claimed that they were targeting someone else.
It was an accident that they blew up a civilian restaurant in a country we are not at war with, killing a 16-year-old American citizen.
No one at the highest level of government, politics, media at the time cared at all that a child was murdered by our president.
Why is that?
ian crossland
Because it was legal.
tim pool
Because it was our president.
Well, it was legal because it was us who did it.
ian crossland
It was legal.
tim pool
And and and that that's that the that's not the issue.
brett dasovic
They don't care that it was legal.
They care that Obama did it.
ian crossland
It wasn't legal.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
Guys, guys.
The reason is the United States was not aggrieved by this.
We, the United States, can bomb and blow up whoever we want, and these and the bulk of our country will not flinch about it.
ian crossland
Those Venezuelan boats, three of them.
tim pool
Now the Democrats are complaining about that because Trump is doing it, and that explains the difference that we're facing.
It is not us anymore.
And that's exactly the point.
So I appreciate you bring that you bring that up.
When Barack Obama blows up somebody, this country largely just went, you know.
I mean, the the debate was over the legality of the killing of Solomaney in terms of will it start a war, not with someone murdered without due process.
No one in this country, and I don't I don't mean literally no one, obviously the libertarians, anti-war groups, they care about this.
At the highest levels of politics, personality, TV, and government, they don't say, What about a criminal trial for that ISIS terrorist we just bombed?
Because they are not us.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Understand that perspective.
Now imagine you are an external force trying to destroy America.
Apply that to how Democrats have been behaving with the assassination of Charlie Kirk cheering it on, and you will understand that same feeling.
It's a con it's either indifference or celebration.
And you take a look at how the United States dealt with war over the past 20 years.
And for most people, the bombings in Afghanistan, Iraq or otherwise, were indifference or celebration.
The killing of Saddam Hussein among Americans, largely indifference.
Then after that, celebration.
Take a look at what Democrats did with Charlie Kirk.
At first, celebration.
Largely indifference.
After that, saying, Well, look, I know it's wrong, but you know, he deserved it for this reason.
Only when pressed and facing a real threat are they trying to put on a PR face.
But with that being said, I do want to pull up this story from Mediaite.
Charlie Kirk's producer torches unrepentant liar Jimmy Kimmel over his comeback monologue.
My friends, this is actually astounding.
Jimmy Kimmel did not apologize.
In fact, I would describe it as tripling or quadrupling down.
And the reason why is it's a 28-minute monologue where he doesn't apologize.
He attacks Trump.
He insults me, he insults you.
He claims that the only issue, or I should say that he ex he he accentuates a particular issue as if to imply once again, that the reason he was taken down was because Trump can't take a joke.
jimmy kimmel
The president of the United States made it very clear he wants to see me and the hundreds of people who work here fired from our jobs.
Our leader celebrates Americans losing their livelihoods because he can't take a joke.
He will somehow able to squeeze Colbert out of CBS.
Then he turned his sights on me, and now he's openly rooting for MBC to fire Jimmy Fallon and Seth Myers and the hundreds of Americans who work for their shows who don't make millions of dollars.
And I hope that if that happens, or if there's even any hint of that happening, you will be ten times as loud as you were this week.
We have to speak out of against it.
tim pool
He did not apologize.
He could have, and it would have been very easy, but he won't.
And the the point that I brought up, I brought this up when I was on Jesse just a moment ago.
The only thing that we can discern as to why Disney brought him back, the affiliates, even just before uh we went live, Next Star said, nah, we ain't bringing him back.
I couldn't even watch it last night.
I was I was in bed.
I pulled up uh first I tried YouTube TV.
Nope, because Sinclair owns the the streaming rights, just all broadcasting streaming rights are combined.
And so I tried all the streaming services.
I even tried going to ABC's website and it's got a lock symbol on it.
It wouldn't let me do it.
I had to wait until someone else watched it and re-uploaded it because it's shut down.
Advertisers are still upset.
Sinclair says the temperature's not brought down, and now the tensions are inflamed.
So why did ABC bring him back?
Well, I said it the other day, I'll say it again.
A guy shot up one of their stations.
And so, like terrified individuals in the crossfire, they said, Jimmy, we'll do anything you say.
How did Jimmy respond?
It's Trump who was coming after me.
Trump did this without an apology.
He didn't, you know, you know what he could have said?
And this is what's really terrifying.
He could have simply said to those who felt I was implying the shooter was a Trump supporter.
I did not mean to do that, and for that I apologize.
ian crossland
He kind of did.
He didn't say the word I'm sorry, but people, false prophets, they'll use words that without the emotion, without the meaning behind it.
You can say I'm sorry and not mean it.
He cried on camera for like he does that all the time.
I mean, it was pretty.
We could play it and let people decide for themselves.
tim pool
Ian, with all due respect, I hear what you're saying.
Um Marty, are you married?
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
Uh have you ever gotten to an argument with your wife?
martin odonnell
No, never.
tim pool
When when you're in an argument with her and she's mad at you for something you did and you know you did something wrong.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
What do you think would happen if you looked at her and said, I understand?
Um it depends on everybody listening right now is looking at their wives going, like, right.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
When when you do wrong and it's not about your just your wife, but your husband or you're in an argument with someone and you know you did wrong and they're upset at you for it.
And instead of saying, look, I'm sorry, you just go, I understand why you're mad.
martin odonnell
Worse than that's similar to saying uh I'm sorry you feel that way.
ian crossland
Exactly.
martin odonnell
Which has got to be the worst thing you could ever do in an argument.
unidentified
Right.
martin odonnell
You know, that's what that's that's essentially what I think Jimmy Kimmel did last night is he's like, I'm sorry that people feel this way.
tim pool
But he he lied again.
brett dasovic
No, he lied.
tim pool
He's not because the issue was not Trump being mad, it was that the broad the the affiliates of the advertisers felt the heat from everyone in this country who said, A man just died.
Can you please not?
And Jimmy said, I'm gonna use this to go after Trump and get millions of views.
ian crossland
You know, I think a real apology.
You said words can be facetious, but is is just to be a better person is to not make the mistake again.
That's a real apology.
brett dasovic
They're not capable of that with what they do.
They're not.
He's not capable th there's too much money to be made in the monologues that covered this.
The ratings that have plummeted on these shows, which of course are now up again because of all of this controversy, they have made their entire market share for these late night shows about Trump.
We were talking last week, like what would it be if these guys just came out and did monologues?
Look, there's news every day that you can make stuff about.
There's actual content creators who are covering this stuff.
Did you see the horrible joke that Robert De Niro made about the Tylenol and the autism?
That was not it was just really bad in this monologue.
Well, he does the thing where Robert De Niro plays the FCC chair, right?
And the problem is when you're politically brained and you and you have a side that you've picked and you don't have any understanding of how people perceive current events, you can't be funny, especially when you're running it through 100 writers and has to go through legal and all these things.
It's the other reason he lied, and that you know that it was a lie because it was weasel words, because that what he said last week when he says that they were trying to paint the shooter as anything other than MAGA, that passed through a hundred writers in a legal department before it came out, and it was phrased in a way to give them some sort of plausible deniability.
martin odonnell
He didn't retract that statement, which is the only statement that we were complaining about.
Plus, but here's my other thing is if Trump is such an authoritarian and he doubled triple quadrupled down on being an authoritarian dictator, Jimmy would not be back.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
martin odonnell
Like this where's the power?
Where's the authoritarian power?
Where's the rioting on the right when something bad happens?
Where are the people boarding up their their windows of their stores?
It's because we don't do that.
And Trump is not an authoritarian.
If they knew if it was Xi Jinping in China, there'd be a whole different thing happening with Jimmy Kimmel right now.
He would actually understand what he's accusing Trump of being.
ian crossland
My take on this, what happened with Brendan Car, who's the FCC chair, went on Benny Johnson's show and mentioned Jimmy by name, and then said we can either do this the easy way or the hard way, and then the next day the affiliates pulled.
That felt like the a fascist evil act that produced order.
tim pool
Because the actual reporting said advertisers and affiliates.
So the question is for what pressure did advertisers feel?
The FCC is not going to go to the advertisers.
It was actually backlash from regular people.
It's unfortunate because the FCC became the excuse for the left to turn it into orange man bad once again.
ian crossland
I don't know.
The guy, the FCC head mentioned Jimmy by name, said easy way or hard way, and then the next day he's off the air.
tim pool
You know how many do you know what you know what?
Do you know what percentage of uh stations are owned by Next Star and Sinclair?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Twenty-three percent.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So how come the rest of the affiliates didn't budge?
Also, Next Star and Sinclair haven't b haven't backtracked, why did they bring Jimmy back?
ian crossland
It sounds like Nextstar is a minority and that they were the ones that budged.
tim pool
Let me just ask you again.
ian crossland
That's a whole other thing.
tim pool
Okay, all right, but Ian, if the FCC was the reason why Jimmy was pulled by ABC, why did they bring him back with the advertisers on their position being unchanged?
ian crossland
Well, there's a huge backlash from the populace.
martin odonnell
So which which populace?
ian crossland
Yeah.
People screaming about Jimmy Kimmel free speech.
tim pool
So there's so the popular vote winner, Donald Trump, who has more than half of the support of this country, or let's just call it 5050.
So uh why would Disney put themselves in a position where they are not only on the opposite side of one of of half the country, but also advertisers.
Leave the affiliates aside.
My point is this.
Everyone wants to make it about the FCC.
Conservatives are so easy to trick, it's laughable.
Okay.
The FCC, I do think it's fair to say played some some form of a role here because that pressure is visible.
But the reporting doesn't show that.
And we'd be speculating to make that assumption.
I do think it's fair to make the assumption, however, it's logic, right?
But at the end, they brought Jimmy back.
Okay, well, the affiliates haven't changed their positions.
So why bring him back?
Your argument is, well, because there was a backlash.
The backlash got him taken off the air in the first place.
So again, what is the unique identifier?
Uh I'm gonna go ahead and say the only discernible thing is the terror threats against ABC stations.
Oh, I'm sure it was a good thing.
And a guy who opened fire on an ABC station.
Yeah, probably part of a specifically citing Bob Iger and Dana Walden, who said, according to Wall Street Journal, they feared for the safety of their staff.
So if the affiliates haven't changed their position, how is this an FCC related issue?
ABC was looking at 23% of their stations, not even the major markets, New York, LA, and Chicago, unaffected.
So ABC said a minority of our markets are upset.
Let's cancel Jimmy Kimmel altogether.
I don't think the issue they didn't.
ian crossland
They just indefinitely suspended his his tenure, which means it could indefinite means there's no defined date.
It could be one day or it could be a year.
tim pool
What is the motivating factor?
And I think it was they said you are going to make things worse.
Right now, we are looking at a certain amount of affiliates and advertisers who are angry.
You're going to make it worse.
He just did.
He just made it worse.
I don't think this has anything to do with the FCC.
I take that back.
A little bit.
A little bit.
But with all of the outcry, and even Brendan Carr walking a statements back.
What did he say?
Something like I shouldn't have made it seem that way or something like that.
brett dasovic
Yeah, and the other thing that Brendan Carr brought up is that one of the things that they've been working on is the idea that for a long time now, affiliate stations have felt like they're being like stepped on by these national stations that have all this control over what gets aired and preempting shows, which used to be something that they could do all the time, was something that has become less and less common.
So what you're seeing right now is actually rare in current year because for a long time, the as the national stations like Disney have gotten bigger and bigger, they exert more control over these stations.
So what Brendan Carr said is that we're giving the power back to these affiliates to be able to act as they see fit.
Act in the service of the people who watch their stations at the local level, not at the national level.
ian crossland
So you're one of the things you said is that Disney now can decide their network, uh, like what what time slot, what show goes on before your show, basically, and the affiliates have no say over that?
brett dasovic
No, the the affiliates do have a say over that.
The affiliates have the ability to decide to preempt a show.
If they want to take something off air because they feel that they can put like syndicated programming in there that will get them better views, right?
They can do that.
But for a long time, Disney has been able to not just Disney, but any of these national level networks, uh, use the size of their platform to exert power over them to set to get them to not do that because they want to be able to keep their ratings clean across the board.
They want to be able to show their ratings for a show like Jimmy Kimmel in all markets, not just in one that's missing 23% of its audience.
And that's not for things that have large scale controversies like this, but rather removing it for local events or local news.
ian crossland
Yeah, you mentioned Mark that that um this is like uh it's supposed to be national airwaves, it's not supposed to be biased, it's not supposed to be having things that can they're it's supposed to be equal time.
martin odonnell
The fairness factor wouldn't, especially when it comes to anything political, and it's like it that hasn't been you know in play for a long time.
It was just sort of an understood thing, but for him to actually outright lie and paint half the country with this murderous brush, and then he was offered, you know, you can make it right, you can come back and make a correction and an apology.
And he could have, and it could have been sincere, but he didn't.
He could have done that before he was canceled or before he was indefinitely suspended.
And he said, absolutely not, I'm not doing it.
ian crossland
I will push it.
martin odonnell
It was not about a joke about Trump.
It had nothing to do with Trump.
It had to do with him telling a lie about half of the country.
ian crossland
I don't think it was a lie.
He didn't lie, technically.
He said they're trying to say that he wasn't MAGA.
Right, which technically is true.
That is not MAGA because he wasn't.
So they were saying that.
tim pool
Have you ever bought a power balance bracelet?
martin odonnell
He wasn't MAGA.
unidentified
He knew it.
tim pool
Have you ever bought a balanced bracelet?
ian crossland
Negative.
tim pool
No, I I I bet I could sell you all sorts of crystals rocking.
ian crossland
Deception's not the same as lying.
He deceived people.
He didn't lie.
tim pool
Yes, he is.
ian crossland
He didn't lie.
Come on, know the definition.
I'm trying to win the culture war.
You're supposed to use semantics.
martin odonnell
That was a lie.
phil labonte
It was a lie.
ian crossland
It was a deception.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Or he was insinuating that maybe he was MAGA.
brett dasovic
What is he lying?
phil labonte
If it doesn't fly with your girlfriend, it doesn't fly with the public.
If you're gonna tell if you're gonna tell your girlfriend, right?
I didn't lie to you, I deceived you.
She's gonna be like, BS, you lied.
You can't like these semantic.
ian crossland
You can't do people all sorts of things.
phil labonte
These semantic arguments don't mean anything to normal people.
ian crossland
You mean something to smart people.
unidentified
Oh, hang on, buddy.
martin odonnell
And how many people didn't we just hear some Jasmine Crockett say you can commit a crime but that doesn't make you a criminal?
ian crossland
Yes.
martin odonnell
Okay, that's insanely stupid.
tim pool
I agree.
martin odonnell
Okay.
So if you deceive someone, it's it's in the category of lying.
ian crossland
Other way around.
martin odonnell
It is a sin.
No.
ian crossland
Lying is in the category of deception.
martin odonnell
Uh deception and lying are they they're in the you know, whatever whatever you want to call it, they're the same thing.
If you lie, you're deceiving.
If you're deceiving, you're lying.
ian crossland
There's a thing called lying by omission.
And it's just that's not it's not lying.
That's why it's okay.
It's a type of deception.
martin odonnell
And it's by using lying by omission.
Trust me, I don't know.
tim pool
Why we're arguing this.
You're not, you're not helping anyone understand.
ian crossland
I just don't want to hear my friends say he lied when he didn't.
I don't want to use wrong words right now.
It's super important that we're accurate in our team.
tim pool
He did.
ian crossland
Well, I I don't know what there's no point in like yelling yes, no, yes, no.
martin odonnell
Shall I stay or shall I go?
brett dasovic
When people talk about like the evils of the media now, they talk about the tactics they use to deceive your as you say, the American people, which is the idea of like if we're talking about a news article, lie by omission, lie by structure.
So if you want to hide the important information from somebody in an article, you put it in the last paragraph because you understand the average.
tim pool
How about Mike just read the definition?
martin odonnell
There you go.
tim pool
A statement made with the intent to deceive.
ian crossland
So it's within the realm of the you can do other things that can deceive too.
martin odonnell
Let me give you an example, and you'll understand this.
And everybody will understand this.
My business partner, Mike, great guy.
There was a point where we both had we both I would drive to the studio in Chicago every day, and then we would drive home to the suburbs where we lived.
And for some reason we got into this contest of like seeing who could get home first.
So one time I got home, I called him, and he wasn't home yet, and he was still in the car.
And he and I said, I beat you home.
And he goes, Yeah, but did you have to stop and get gas first?
And I'm like, oh gosh, he's right.
I didn't.
tim pool
I'm not saying pull it up.
martin odonnell
I'm just so that was a honest, that was him deceiving me into thinking that he had stopped to get gas.
But he was able to say, you know, I never said I stopped to get gas.
It's still a lie.
Everyone knows at the playground that's a lie.
ian crossland
He it was deception.
He deceived you without telling a lie.
martin odonnell
Which it was a lie.
tim pool
Okay, this is a pointless conversation.
So let's uh I agree.
Why don't we let me see?
Let's jump to this next story.
We got big news from CNBC.
Former FBI director Comey, expected to be indicted soon in Virginia federal court from MSNBC.
Now there are some qualifications to this story.
They are trying to bring the indictment now because they have six days until the statute of limitations is up.
Therefore, homies getting indicted.
Right?
I mean, I don't see a reality in which they don't pull this off unless somehow a grand jury doesn't return an indictment, which like literally never happens for the federal government.
And this is for lying to uh lying to Congress, I believe.
martin odonnell
Deceiving.
tim pool
Indeed.
ian crossland
You're both correct.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Trump in a social media post on Saturday called Comey guilty as hell.
MSNBC reporter Ken Delanian in a post on X wrote Wednesday the full extent of the charges being prepared against Comey is unclear.
But the sources believe that if that at least one element of the indictment, if it goes forward, will accuse him of lying to Congress during his testimony on September 30th, 2020 about whether he authorized a leak of information.
Comey that day under questioning from Senator Ted Cruz stood by his prior testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee that he did not.
I remember this.
In fact, I'm pretty sure there's a video on my channel, YouTube.com slash Timcast.
Did Comey lie, where I concluded back then, probably not.
Actually, no, wait, this wasn't 2020.
He lied a lot.
Holy crap.
That video I was talking about, I think was from 2018.
Dang.
Okay, well, um, you know, last week I tweeted at this pace, I expect to see arrests by next I predict we'll see arrests by next next week.
And then uh this story broke, and there's a couple other stories about pending indictments as well.
To be fair, my prediction is not correct just yet, but what do you guys think?
martin odonnell
Can I just ask who comes up with the statute of limitations?
I kind of feel like some of these things Well, when I get to Congress, I'm gonna say, I think we should extend all the statute of limitations.
It's we don't have enough time to actually figure some of this stuff out, and then like, oh no, uh, you know, J Biden's son uh Hunter, he's you know, it doesn't matter what he did because we're past statute of limitations.
I just think it's I think it's kind of ridiculous.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I I I agree with the statute of limitations.
martin odonnell
The problem is there shouldn't be.
I just think I'd like to like extend them.
tim pool
I I it's it's hard to know the limits are.
The general idea is if the government knows a crime is committed but refuses to prosecute for a certain amount of time, then they can't come back later and do it.
The reason for that is you might be accused of a crime, and again, accused is not proven.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
And the government then says, We can charge you whenever we want, so you better do what we say.
Statute of limitations stops that.
But the but but here's the issue.
The issue is we didn't go after Comey because Biden was in office and you couldn't.
martin odonnell
And not only that, I don't think we had the we couldn't even get the evidence.
It's like sometimes, well, and this is why I think it's interesting that murder has no statute of limitations, and and that's why you murder somebody and it could come back and get you at any point in your life.
So um I'm not saying what Comey did is tantamount to murder, but I I think it's uh if if uh he get he got a four-year head start because it got Biden into office.
ian crossland
What is the actual charge that they're looking at giving this guy lying to Congress?
tim pool
Well, that's the one we know of so far, but there may be more.
ian crossland
He did he seemed like the dirty, I mean, during the Hillary email Clinton or the Hillary email Clinton scandal when Hillary Clinton's emails were getting 30,000 emails getting destroyed, you know, uh, which was illegal.
Comey was kind of, I believe, covering that, covering for her in a way.
He's been he was like the the hard arm of the the what is the FBI director?
martin odonnell
Yeah, the director.
ian crossland
And like their job is to lie to the American people a lot of times.
martin odonnell
And deceive.
ian crossland
Yeah, and and like that's for national security.
Well, it's you're you're right, it's both.
It's for national security, and and then I don't what I I really uh can a little bit of concerns me is like when the next administration comes in and they're like, we gotta clean up the mess the last guy's made.
You're like, not every time.
Like sometimes just I don't know.
tim pool
No, no, you do.
Like Ian, if you if you rented a house and the last guy made a mess on the floor with his butt, but what if it was a party and it was a really fun party.
You'd still want to clean it up.
And maybe you want to hire someone to do it, but you gotta clean up.
ian crossland
So what if you had an administration and there was some national security, you have to lie to the people, or you feel like you do, you issue your FBI director lie to the people.
Would you then expect he's gonna go to prison in four years when you're out of office?
tim pool
Depends on the lie.
ian crossland
Would you put him in that position knowing that he's gonna really?
tim pool
Uh so when you when you're talking about these lies, it's really easy.
I don't play these stupid games where it's like, you know, you can't answer the question, people are like, well, listen, I don't want to understand.
No, no, no.
The answer is should the government lie?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Sometimes, for some reasons, there are reasons why the government lies.
That's why we have national security, uh security apparatus.
That's why we have confidentiality, that's why we have uh classic we have security clearances.
Sometimes the government has to be like, I'm not gonna tell you.
Now, the lie part of that, it depends on what your limit is.
But let's say that like someone accidentally sees a piece of uh military tech that we need for a national security purpose, maybe a cybersecurity thing, and then this person runs out, goes to the press and says, I saw this guy doing this thing.
Well, if you came out and said, it is true, he did see me doing this thing, well, you've exposed whatever that is.
At that point, you're probably gonna want your government to lie about it and say, This is incorrect, he was never there, and it's silly to think that.
In fact, what he actually saw was a weather balloon.
ian crossland
And if Congress calls you to testify under oath, you're still technically supposed to lie.
tim pool
In certain circumstances, I uh the reality of life is it's we we do not live in the invention of lying with Ricky Gervais.
Okay.
When when your your significant other, your wife, your girlfriend says, Does this make me look fat?
Well, it depends on the kind of person you are, but most people are gonna lie.
And the even if they're like, I can't lie, you do look a little fat.
You can still do it in a nice way, but some people might just be like you look great because they want that person to feel good.
We call those little white lies.
In government's more challenging because well, the people have a right to know, right?
Within certain confines, I believe is extremely important that information be available to the public.
I also recognize you need national security because we go to war sometimes.
And could you imagine if the US was like, no matter what we do, whenever we do it, we're gonna tell the whole world.
Yeah, we'd we'd we'd be conquered in two seconds.
ian crossland
We've never yeah what George Washington was master of dissent.
tim pool
Oh bro, could you imagine if like the founding fathers were like, now before we make any moves, let's hold up gigantic flags and blow our horns and then send letters to all the enemies and make sure they all know exactly what our plan is.
phil labonte
They cross the Delaware and make sure they wake everybody up before they start slitting through a thing.
tim pool
Yeah that's only fair.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think with our our constitutional right to protection against search and seizure has been violated with the PRISM network where you they can all of our texts and videos and emails are busy no such network exists.
I mean oh yeah exactly what about the network that Edward Snowden did not suppose uh what about uh the seizing of property that's another well that's technically what's happening when they take your text in your I was warned about this there there's a certain level of conspiracy theory stuff that you some you guys apparently get into so no the government what conspiracy theories the government uh people are able to take your text and your voicemails they used to have to get a warrant for that stuff now they just record it and set it to adapt.
Like civil assets forfeiture is not a conspiracy so Jim Comey testified uh not Jim Comey but uh James Clapper uh it's a Congress and he's like we did not winly spy on the American people blatantly lied.
Yeah because they felt like they were supposed to but this prism network that they were spying on people with violated our Fourth Amendment.
martin odonnell
So like at what point are these lies actually upholding the righteousness of the US Constitution that's that's for us to decide as the people we can vote on this we can get the people in we want certainly what Comey is probably going to be accused of doing is lying for political reasons for self-serving political reasons not for the good of the country.
So I mean that if with that's proven I think he's he's uh he's in trouble which is I mean that's I think that that it's likely that there's that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah.
phil labonte
You know, I think there's probably going to be indictments for for more stuff.
martin odonnell
I mean, the insanity of Russia, Russia, Russia, the Russiagate thing, the insanity of that and the blatant lying that went around that.
And it was not in any way.
You cannot talk about that being to save, you know, to to protect the American people.
It was a pure, horrible way of of disabling the Trump administration and the lies that went around that to try to to make the Trump administration have no power.
and it was self-serving.
the Democrats and um all the people who encouraged that and lied about it including pencil neck what's his name you said it so I don't have to well I'm only saying what Donald Trump said because he is a pencil neck he's a he's his his head is too big for his body.
ian crossland
Here's my metaphor about what's happening on Earth right a liar but kind of makes me wonder if he's a liar you guys are in the video game so I look at the liberal economic order got built basically to destroy communism and protect the world they were going for a domination victory try to take over the planet.
Then the Soviet Union ended in 89.
But the liberal economic order is still in control so it's like looking for a nail it's a hammer like where's my communism where's my communism and so it's well Russia bad guy Russia so this machine is built to fight Russia.
It's been around but we don't need it anymore.
phil labonte
Now we've we've made pretty clear like it's a diplomatic victory when you say the liberal liberal economic order that's about more like economics than actually like trying to uh keep Russia in check right it was basically to keep the Soviet Union in check and that that's what NATO and the UN I mean the UN was was kind of designed to do that not as much as NATO was NATO was it was intentionally designed to keep the Warsaw act in check.
But the liberal economic order, that's like, that genuinely is a net benefit for the world.
Keeping, bringing countries that had basically had basket case governments and had zero economic activity, had massive, massive amounts of absolute poverty.
The liberal economic order, the proliferation of capitalist ideas and free market ideas brought, you know, it essentially has gotten rid of abject poverty almost entirely.
And there won't be, there will be, there will be only a handful of, on a global scale, a handful of people.
people that are in in abject poverty by I think 2030 the the UN and and stuff we're saying.
So overall that has been a a massive benefit for the human race.
ian crossland
I think what's happening is the the holdovers of that thing are these people these Comey and the Obama administration it's like they're still in That state of like we must destroy Russia, uh, stop control the planet by domination, military victory.
And after the Middle East Wars, it became apparent to me that we can't.
Nuclear threats, we don't have the manpower, um, and we have to find another path, which is like the cultural victory or the scientific victory.
And and but that machine is still in place, and that's what they were doing.
They thought Trump was gonna derail it.
phil labonte
Are you talking about native?
tim pool
And he largely is.
I mean, this is what's really funny is that up until Trump won in 2016, the system was the uniparty.
It was one global order.
It was the it was the liberal economic order machine.
And be it McCain or Obama, you got the same system, be it Romney or Obama, you got the same system.
Trump was not supposed to win and did, and the liberal economic order fell into chaos and panic.
And now the craziest thing is from that point on, conspiracies began to unravel.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident was a conspiracy theory my whole life, and now it's just historical fact.
All of this insanity is buckling under the the failures of the children of a liberal economic order.
These people, I I have to imagine the people who started the liberal economic order after World War II, if they could see how their grandchildren are handling this, they would spit on the floor and say, What?
But hey, wealth only lasts three generations.
But you know what?
I I'm I'm sitting here thinking, like, man, I don't think we've won just yet, especially with the terror attacks that we've seen.
The left is rearing its ugly head, unwilling to accept defeat.
But breaking news, ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones is back.
He tweeted his new YouTube channel, and I recommend all of you go to YouTube.com/slash at Alex Jones Live and subscribe.
He's only got 797 subscribers.
brett dasovic
You're you're in the early case.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Look at me.
brett dasovic
I was now you now you can start messaging him, been a subscriber since nine since 97.
tim pool
I mean, look, you know, this guy he's got a small channel, but I think he's pretty good.
brett dasovic
He's on the way up.
tim pool
He's on the way up.
Maybe maybe we could bring him on into a collab and they'll help boost his subs.
unidentified
Yes!
Yes!
phil labonte
This is why I'm here.
ian crossland
I'm a one thousandth subscriber.
tim pool
Let's do it.
ian crossland
I'll remember this day for a long time.
tim pool
So now I now Alex Jones tweeted out his new channel.
And I I'll say this.
I think the reason he's not using his older channels is that they uh because of the lawsuit against him.
So he makes a new channel, which is outside of whatever that suit is, perhaps.
I also don't know if YouTube actually unlocked his accounts.
I'm wondering if Alex Jones is basically poking the bear.
Google announced they will no longer take political censorship.
The only reason Alex Jones ever got censored was purely political.
He know he like it's purely political.
Now that he's back, the question is is YouTube going to pull him off or not.
I will also add, I submitted our Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Tim Castyroll episode for review, and they rejected the appeal, it appears.
I've submitted again.
I will not stop.
And my contact at Google, it's been a couple days, hasn't responded yet.
So that after everything we've seen, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stop.
I'm gonna keep pressing this, but this looks like a massive victory.
brett dasovic
So do you so were his old channels unbanned or are they still gone?
tim pool
I don't think so.
I can't find them.
brett dasovic
Because even if they were, it might be beneficial for him to start a new one.
Because like you said, you started a new channel recently and you grown to reach again algorithmically.
They it like we still would have been throttled.
tim pool
I think I think the big issue is what the reason I don't I don't think they unbanned him, and I think that there's InfoWars is part of that lawsuit, all of those companies.
So Alex Jones is allowed to have human personal social media, and that's what he's got right now.
He's gonna have a million subs overnight, I swear.
brett dasovic
How did your videos do covering the YouTube censorship?
Like on YouTube, how did they do moderate middle of the road?
ian crossland
Dude, Jim Jordan's a hero.
I know it wasn't just him uncovering this stuff and forcing it, but this this thing, this decision by YouTube or whoever owns, I mean Google, which is owned by Alphabet, that they're like, yeah, okay, gates are open again.
brett dasovic
You should uh like everybody should ask their like liberal aunt, be like, so about that free speech discussion.
Do you see what was going on over there at Google?
They won't know anything about it because Jimmy Kimmel didn't talk about it.
ian crossland
That would be a good like re-election campaign 2028 for the Republican Party is like really explained to people how it worked from 2016, 2020 to 2024.
brett dasovic
Even that for like think about if Jimmy Kimmel just like paid lip service and brought this up, like how much like goodwill he could have won.
If he didn't want to apologize, made the most like tacit apology to what he did, but also brought up the Google censorship of conservatives, he could have actually made a lot of inroads with people who weren't a fan of what he said, but also are staunchly free speech.
ian crossland
Yeah, he still could.
unidentified
Bro.
tim pool
And Gavin McGannis was Gavin McGuinness was brought back to X last week.
martin odonnell
This is why I saw that.
brett dasovic
Elon Musk is like never heard of it.
Like this seems like he's like, uh didn't know.
tim pool
Like Bro, this is wild.
I can't say much right now.
And if anybody knows, don't say anything.
But Friday's culture war is going to be the most insane thing we ever do.
Ever as just getting started.
It's gonna be the craziest thing we've we've we've ever done probably.
ian crossland
Yeah, the future is like the potential of crazy for the future is unperceivable.
Like I don't even know if you realize how it gets like bigger.
But beyond sight, yeah, it's it's pretty uh it scales uh exponentially, which is what makes it interesting.
tim pool
You know, it's it's it's it's crazy that the the polarization that we're experiencing, not politically but emotionally.
That yeah, Alex Jones is back, he's at 3,000 subscribers already.
I don't know how long this will last.
Maybe they will take a move against them, but if they do, it's gonna fly in the face of the statement they gave to uh the judiciary committee and Jim Jordan.
Gav McGinnis being unbanned is massive.
The uncovering of the censorship is absolutely massive.
And while we celebrate this, we also have to contend with the leftist terror attacks against us.
Yeah, and and and but it's it's it's it's it's it's an equal and opposite reaction.
All of these tremendous cultural victories are resulting in a massive backlash in some kind of I don't need to describe it, but in terms of the scale of victory we have, they are recoiling in a comparable violent fashion.
martin odonnell
Yeah, but that's that makes it unequal.
They're they're doing kinetic to us doing ideas.
tim pool
What I mean is like the numerical value of quantifying our victories, they are reacting in a in a negative to the to the inverse reaction.
Right.
ian crossland
Also, looking forward at what's coming, we got to remember a corporation has control of this show, has a like a singular corporation called Alphabet can not all we're on different networks, but alphabet's power right now.
tim pool
And um we actually have more views on Rumble.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
Harrison Sewer, who did a documentary called Game of Money, focusing on the Federal Reserve, said that you know, once the culture war sort of simmers and slows, people will remember that central banking is the issue right now.
That us our country becoming bankrupt is what will cause people to become radicalized.
phil labonte
I don't think that it'll cause people to come become radalize radicalized.
I think that people will be radicalized by societal factors, and then they will become violent because of a collapse of the monetary system.
brett dasovic
I think like what like the the wealth gap right now would be a bigger like they're not gonna like I'm guessing the average person who's looking at like all the average person who's angry at the billionaires, who the have nots who are angry at the haves, they're not really thinking necessarily about central banking,
phil labonte
just what the elites have that they don't the people that act out, they they don't often have a deep understanding of like Austrian economics, they don't have a deep understanding of why they're actually angry.
Because if you do have a if you have a real good understanding of the the system and the way that it works, most of the time people say, Oh, well, I understand this.
I can use this to my advantage.
It's the people that don't understand it, that don't have the ability to take advantage of the system that we we exist in to that that get angry and say the system's unfair, I'm locked out, so I think it'd be better if we just destroy it and tear it all down.
ian crossland
And those were the Bolsheviks in the at the end of the Soviet or at the end of the uh Russian Empire.
Um with they they were in a terrible economic situation.
Weimar Germany, they they did were completely, and they didn't understand, they just followed along with their socialist government and was like uh the Nazi, you got the Nazi party because the economics the Nazis were a reaction to the communists, and the Nazis weren't extremely far away economically from the communists, right?
phil labonte
They they were they were kind of fighting over the scene.
martin odonnell
It was still authoritarian.
You know, the thing I'm looking at this, and I, you know, it's I read you know F.A. Hayek and the Road to Serfdom, and I understand a lot about economics and and conservative ideology.
What's slapping me in the face right now is the difference right now is uh between the two sides is a spiritual difference, and that's what I saw Charlie Kirk actually emphasize.
And uh and turning point literally means I know I'm changing the subject, but I'm not fine.
Because what I'm saying is that we can get away from ideas and rational and logic, and we can we can argue all sorts of things.
But what I'm actually seeing is a spiritual battle going on in this country in the world, and repentance means to turn from the direction you're going in.
You're going in this direction, repent means turnaround.
We, as as humanity, have been traveling away from God, and it's time to turn around and come back to God.
And that's how simple that is.
And what I'm seeing is Gen Z men, especially Gen Z males, actually realizing that they have one choice.
We talked about this before the show, but they're either going to be nihilistic suicidal murderers murdering suicidal people, or they're going to find something that's actually actually real, that is, and the the generations ahead of Gen Z Gen Z have not been providing these kids anything tangible.
And Charlie was saying there is a tangible thing.
There is something there for you.
And it's called loving God, and you start with loving God, and everything else will come back to you.
And I'm seeing these kids going, thank you.
That's what I need.
I don't need to read a bunch of more philosophy books.
I need some I need something that's spiritual that's actually solid.
And to me, it's amazing to see I just that this could happen.
I just want to revival.
tim pool
I need to add this in the context of Alex Jones from the Hollywood Reporter.
Jessica Chastain says she does not agree with Apple's decision to postpone the savant.
So for those unfamiliar, one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
They did this show.
I mean, this just shows you how much they're losing.
In the same segment where we say Alex Jones is back, we can also mention this show The Savant, where uh you want to describe it, Brett?
You're the master of the stuff.
brett dasovic
Uh yeah.
There's um there's a um a Karen, you know, it's a it's a female leftist power fantasy where a woman gets on the internet.
Okay, girl boss infilt and she infiltrates far right extremist chat rooms to expose domestic terrorism.
It's based on like a 2019 article from Cosmopolitan that's based on a real thing.
tim pool
I doubt it.
brett dasovic
Um, it's it is based on a real thing.
They what they don't point out is that like for we talked about it today.
It's like the first group infiltrated and exposed was actually like a Muslim terrorist organization, but that's not what this will be.
tim pool
This will end up being, you know, right wing Yeah, they're they're they're they're semi-canceling it.
brett dasovic
And she listed a bunch of in in her very long, you know, letter, she listed a bunch of different, you know, recent terror attacks to her credit.
She didn't just list stuff that happened to left-wing people, but she did also mention Charlie Kirk and others.
But what she doesn't, she's not willing to admit because she says we need this event, we need this show right now in this country so we can talk about domestic terrorism.
She doesn't point out that this will the show most likely would not have shown any left-wing domestic terrorism at all.
tim pool
I want to give this his own segment.
So I'm I'm gonna start from the top uh for those that are watching just the segment.
It's a story from the Hollywood reporter.
Jessica Chestain says she does not agree with Apple's decision to postpone the savant.
The gist of the show is that uh as Brett Desivik of Pop Culture Crisis just described, it is a lib femme power fantasy where a suburban mom goes on the internet and infiltrates far right chat grooms and then uh stops their terror attacks.
And uh, as Brett mentioned in her post, disagreeing with the fact that she's her show's basically being pulled.
Maybe maybe I'll bring it back to Jimmy Kimmel style.
She listed a bunch of attacks, and as I started reading these, I was like, oh boy, let's debunk this in the best way we can.
She writes In the last five years since we've been making the show, we've seen an unfortunate amount of violence in the United States.
The kidnapping attempt on Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Let's pause there.
Now, as most people know, I think what was it, 80% of the men involved were informants?
And it was a couple of guys who were I don't want to say necessarily entrapped, but uh basically entrapped.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
There was one instance where the informants drove a guy around her house, and he was like, What are we doing?
And then they arrested him for it.
So uh let's continue on.
brett dasovic
They're like, do it.
tim pool
Do the she then mentions the thing the January 6th attack on the Capitol, and I will give her that one 100% not good.
And she just described it as an attack, and I think that's fair.
She didn't say insurrection or anything.
People did storm into the building and smash windows.
Notice she didn't mention like all the stuff that had when Brett Kavanaugh was being I gotta I gotta read the assassination attempts on President Trump, agreed.
The political assassinations of democratic reps in Minnesota.
Now, this one really gets me.
You know why?
It was Greg Gutfeld who made a really great point.
The the guy who killed these these people in Minnesota, he didn't do it for overt political reasons.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
He may have been a Trump supporter.
He may have not been.
He may have been an appointee of Waltz.
martin odonnell
I will stop Kings.
tim pool
I will just indeed in it in his car.
Now I will just stop and say this.
For the sake of argument, I will give the left that this guy was a Trump supporter.
Don't care.
Here's a Trump supporter.
Okay, thank you.
He didn't kill these people because of political reasons.
He knew them.
So this appears to be not motivated by the rhetoric of Republicans.
Still bad, must be condemned, but a distinction that I think is warranted.
The attack on Speaker Pulse's husband was a crazy guy.
Literally, there's no there was nothing political there.
martin odonnell
No politics.
tim pool
No politics at all.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk agreed.
The recent shooting at an ABC affiliate station in California.
Yeah.
Over 300 school shootings across this country.
I agree with that one.
These innocent incidents, though far from encompassing the full range of violence witnessed in the United States, illustrate a broader mindset that crosses the political spectrum and must be confronted.
I've never shied away from difficult subjects.
And while I wish the show wasn't so relevant, unfortunately it is.
Unfortunately, the show, as depicted in the trailer, was literally just showing white supremacists.
brett dasovic
Please pull if you can find the um article from Variety asking, it says like you should not why why pulling the savant is like the worst thing you could do right now.
I don't know if that's enough to find it.
tim pool
Apple postponing is a huge Yes.
brett dasovic
Pull that up and read it.
tim pool
It's a huge mistake.
brett dasovic
Yes.
Pull it up and read the opinion.
tim pool
In a shocking decision, Apple TV is supposed in the premiere of Jessica Chastain drama series The Savant, offering another chilling example of how business giants are running scared of the Trump administration and bowing to pressure before it even exists.
The series had been scheduled to premiere September 26th.
If a careful consideration, we have made the decision to postpone the savant, and Apple TV Plus spokesperson said in a statement of variety.
We appreciate your understanding and look forward to releasing the series in a future date.
brett dasovic
Oh, is it okay?
Um it's okay.
I'm looking for a different one.
It's uh let me see if I can find it in the city.
tim pool
Well, it does say it was a Apple's making a huge mistake.
brett dasovic
Okay, scroll down.
tim pool
Yeah, that was just the intro to the article.
unidentified
Okay, yeah.
tim pool
You have to read the actual Having watched the eight-episode series for review, it's clear the Savant is precisely the type of show America needs right now.
It looks at a sector of mostly white male individuals who believe that America belongs to them.
Fueled by hate, bigotry, xenophobia, and misogyny, they talk cruelly and candidly online about and enacting harm and violence towards individuals or others who they feel are unworthy of being in their country.
martin odonnell
Um about projection.
tim pool
So I I I have a video.
I recommend everyone subscribe to YouTube.com/slash at Tim Pool, the Tim Pool show YouTube channel.
It's a new channel.
I uh did the math.
Live, recorded live, went on ChatGPT and said conservative political violence.
It said there's around three it said there's around 320 if you include January 6th.
I said leftist, 13,709 if you include the George Floyd riots.
If you remove January 6 and the George Floyd riots, let's just say they cancel each other out.
They don't, but let's just say they do.
There's around 100 far uh leftist, not even far left, just liberal Democrat-aligned violence in the past five years and two from the right.
Uh and and I and I and I will say this too with with with uh respect for the intelligence of the audience.
There was a right-wing individual who sent a threat over the Jimmy Kimmel thing initially.
Uh so this this person, I guess, threatened violence against ABC because of what Jimmy Kimmel said.
And uh Bob Iger and Dana Waldorf apparently were concerned about threats stations had received from the right.
And I think that's fair to point out.
There was also an individual who tried burning down some some church and was was motivated by some things, something I don't know exactly the details.
I got no problem pointing that out.
The bigger question is it pertains to all this violence is should I be if if I was to walk, I'm walking down the street, right?
And I see a pink-haired black clad individual, and I look to my right, and I see a chubby white guy in a MAGA hat.
Which side of the street should I stand on?
It's obvious to literally everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The likelihood that that, you know, middle middle class white Trump guy is gonna do anything to you is slim to none.
And while I think it's fair to point out that the pink-haired weird on the left probably won't do anything either, if we're talking strictly about which is more likely, we all know it's the left.
martin odonnell
So one of the things I noticed after Charlie Kirk's shooting, uh, and I knew I saw people arguing right away about the modus of this person and you know his belief system and all of this different stuff, and I was like, no, we're gonna find all that out.
It's all gonna come out eventually, and it's gonna be fascinating, and we're gonna try to figure out about Siloing inside this virtual reality and the world of social media that is consuming a generation of people.
What's more important to me is I'm looking at the people who celebrated Charlie Kirk's death.
And I was seeing people who would you'd have thought were normal, quote unquote middle of the road leftists who happen to be doctors and teachers and lawyers and business people, and they were literally celebrating this horrible act of political violence.
I've never seen anything on the right to compare to that.
I've never seen normal people on the right celebrating something as heinous as what happened to Charlie Kirk.
So I'm more concerned about like where is society now that we it's it's okay for people to celebrate.
We're talking about people in Congress, people on the floor of Congress actually saying that Charlie Kirk does deserve this because of his his evil thoughts.
Um that's that's the part that scares me the most is not that there's you know some some wackos that that are feeding off each other in their silos on social media and they do horrible things and they're probably encouraged by the leftist rhetoric.
It's that there's such a huge portion of our society that can actually celebrate this event.
And that's what that freaks me out more than anything.
ian crossland
I think that psychosis comes from people talking shit at each other on the internet, and there's no there's no immediate response like you can say it's not an either-or thing.
martin odonnell
There's nothing, there's nothing commensurate on the right.
tim pool
Yeah, like let's let's let's be real, you know.
When when I saw the George Floyd riots, I thought this is how we're supposed to live.
And then when I saw that big prayer vigil, I was terrified.
Because like most Americans, prayer is the most threatening thing to them.
unidentified
I think that's a good thing.
phil labonte
To Marty's point, though, like when you hear the things that the left brings up that they're complaining about, things like Pelosi or the Minnesota lawmakers that were killed.
They were not specifically like they were not right wingers going after people.
And the Pelosi incident is one that I've made uh this remark about multiple times.
Like it's ridiculous for them to say, oh, this was a political attack, like the and and the the right was celebrating it.
No, no one on the right celebrated it.
Nobody laughed about the circumstances, yes, because it was ridiculous.
They're both in their underwear, right?
And one guy attacked uh Speaker Pelosi's husband, and that's bad.
But nobody was nobody was saying this is good.
I'm glad that they did.
And he he deserved it.
He was a bad person, and we need to see more of that.
Or there's more people that should be on the list.
And that is what the biggest problem was.
Like it's horrifying that Charlie got murdered.
But the the con the context is greater than just Charlie's murder because the left celebrated in a in a gleeful and joyous way, and then they called for more and listed off the people that they thought needed to be to be to be killed.
martin odonnell
Here's here's the thing.
I'm I'm small potential.
phil labonte
The right never did.
martin odonnell
I'm out in, yeah, and I'm out in Nevada, and I had just talked to uh TPUSA and you know, passed their test, and then TPUSA at University of Nevada, Las Vegas, uh was part of a group of of young people who wanted me to come and speak to them.
Charlie Kirk gets assassinated, and then the next Monday I'm supposed to go to UNLV and speak to this group.
And the it I had a fleeting thought, like I wonder if I should do this.
Is this a safe thing to do?
And of course, then the very next thought is I can't possibly let these people win.
I can't live in fear.
None of us should live in fear.
But it's just insane to me that like that's the kind of thing that the these people want us to do by celebrating, yeah, it makes all of us think twice.
I'm uh you know, Tim, I'm sure you're you get all sorts of horrible uh threats all the time.
tim pool
You look them up on Blue Sky.
martin odonnell
And so, like you're not gonna go, probably.
I'm gonna go do an outdoor convention on Saturday for fun.
tim pool
We we canceled our uh Alec Alex Dunn and I had a college event scheduled for two weeks, it's canceled.
We can't we can't, we we can't get the security for you.
martin odonnell
It's just uh that's that is such a sad, sad thing.
brett dasovic
For as long as I've worked at this company, there have been swattings and incidents, and after what happened to Charlie Kirk, I was on my honeymoon, and my wife literally said, This is the first time that I've thought maybe I don't want you working in this industry.
tim pool
Was it was it uh were you outside?
Yeah, the first time when they point the guns at you?
brett dasovic
Yeah, me and Andy.
martin odonnell
Was that a swatting?
brett dasovic
So yeah, the the very first time that there was a swatting, me and Andy were walking in from one of the other buildings.
tim pool
And we're like skating, right?
brett dasovic
Yeah, we were we were out skating and they we were coming back, and the cops literally were like, hands up, walk backwards towards us.
unidentified
Yeah.
martin odonnell
Well, you had skateboards.
I mean that makes sense.
tim pool
No, no, rollerblades.
unidentified
It's even worse.
brett dasovic
The point being that it's roll backwards.
We work at like a media company, and we have to worry about these types of things.
Like and I can't, I don't even want to talk about this with my family.
Like I don't want to, I don't want to scare my my family or my parents or anything like that.
ian crossland
You know what I think this why we see what you think on the left is where this kind of psychosis of like violence when on the people on the right area.
I think that people that have sort of been broken or that have are at a level of intellect where they're manipul easily manipulated by media are drawn to groupthink, and that is like communism, collectivism.
And so they find themselves identifying with like what do we think everyone on the internet they'll type stuff like that.
And people that are resistant to it are more drawn to uh you know individualism and and owning your property and protecting yourself.
And so they gravitate in another direction.
martin odonnell
I'm telling you guys, let's let's open our eyes.
Godless communism.
That is like a funny thing to say.
It's like an old it's an old fashioned conservative boomer thing to say, but it's actually true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
martin odonnell
You know, Marx and Lenin and the progressives all the way through, uh, you know, all the way up to Durada and the philosophers of the French and the and the deconstructionists.
This is they want God gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
martin odonnell
And it's it goes all the way back to, you know, you know, romantic poets and and philosophy, and and it's it's a rebellion against God.
And when you eliminate God, you're open to this.
And that's where the psychosis and the evil comes from.
ian crossland
I think the antidote is virtue.
I've been to Charlie was like talked about Erica when he met Erica, and he he said she's Christ like.
And I'm like, okay, that's our job as Christians, or just to live in a good way.
You want to be Christ like.
You don't want to be Christ, because that that adjective is to explain the anointed one by God, Jesus of Nazareth.
But you can be like Christ.
And if you embody the sin opposite the virtue of the seven virtues of Catholicism, chastity, um, diligence, you have temperance, charity, uh, patience, uh, humility, and and and kindness, kindness.
And those seven things are so important to embody.
If you embody the synopsis, you become anti-Christ.
And that's what if if someone super famous and well loved starts to embody sin, they might people might erroneously say he is the ant the anti-Christ.
He's just anti-Christ in that moment.
They can still redeem themselves.
tim pool
That sounds like all of the left.
Like when you described those things, those seven things, the inverse of that, it's like the left is what?
They're arrogant, arrogant, prideful, wrathful, lazy, envious.
ian crossland
Yes, seven deadly sins.
unidentified
Right.
martin odonnell
I mean, that's a this it's always cracked me up that there's Pride Week or now Pride Month.
And it's like sloth months.
It's one of the seven deadly sins.
Like you could have come up with better.
This reminds me of when the company that took Halo over decided to name their company after one of our main villains, 343 Guilty Spark was a villain.
And then 343 Guilty Industries made Halo.
tim pool
They love the the left loves the villains.
ian crossland
It's important we can all become anti-Christ.
We can all become anti-Christ.
So it's important to stay virtuous.
Because like when Trump said I hate my opponent, he was embodying wrath, which is anti-Christ.
And if if you don't check him on that and let him go down that road, it can become a must be checked.
martin odonnell
That's what I loved about it.
He was asking, you can please try to redeem me.
I think I'm making a mistake here.
And he had a somewhat smile on his face.
Trump's being Trump, and he wants to be redeemed.
He's he's asking to for help.
tim pool
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Uh, I will also just add on top of this.
I am very, very happy personally that I bought Bitcoin 10 years ago.
ian crossland
I'm happy I bought it.
tim pool
That's true, that's true.
But in all in all seriousness, um, you know, we we we like the block trust guys and everything.
Just make sure you're doing your due diligence.
It's your money.
Make sure you're taking care of yourself.
By the way, it's gonna come down to what you, you know, your responsibility.
martin odonnell
I bought Apple in 1998.
That's all I'm saying.
unidentified
Nice job.
tim pool
You know, my first my first uh my first Bitcoin was at 70 cents.
And then I sold it at five bucks, dancing, like, let's go.
And then I had 20 uh Bitcoin when it was at 20 bucks, and I sold it, and I was like, let's go.
It's spiked at 20 bucks.
And I was like, guys, I got 400 bucks.
Let's go.
I'm taking out to dinner.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's no way anyone would expect that a hundred grand per Bitcoin.
I listen, I was on these forums, I was hanging out with these people back in 2011 when Bitcoin hit like 70 cents and went to a dollar or whatever.
I had been you I've been using this.
No one thought we we were all like, wow, it's at 20 bucks.
What do you think?
So when it went up to uh when it crashed at a down to a thousand, I was like, I'm done.
And I bought a bunch.
ian crossland
When it was anyway, eighty thousand, I was like, it's so much.
What's the I'll buy?
And then it doubled went up by 50% to 120,000.
tim pool
I bought in at 30,000.
It was like 27, and I was like, I'm just gonna buy some more.
And remember Max Kaiser being like, Bitcoin's gonna go to a million, and everyone's like, uh, that's that's so Alex Jones has the story where Max offered him 10,000 Bitcoin, and Alex was like, I don't know, I don't care.
And then uh my story is comparable because uh, you know, back in the day, like Max is in El Salvador now, but shout out to Max Kaiser and Stacey Herbert.
I see them much more periodically.
And uh Max was like, Tim, I'm telling you, just buy a bunch of Bitcoin right now, and you hang out with us and you're gonna be rich.
And I was like, Okay, Max, I get it.
And then I didn't.
ian crossland
Some people will crypto people will be like, talk about other cryptos.
There's other cryptos that are better, but Bitcoin's like the VHS.
You know, there might be a Betamax that's a better piece attack out there, but everyone knows Bitcoin.
tim pool
Let's let's read some chats.
We got Liberty Denny says, in California, the first ICE agent is doxxed, and them or their family is harmed.
Everyone who signed SB627 should be charged as an accessory and imprisoned for enabling it.
Laws have consequences.
Jolly 1976 says, I'm a Flintstones kid.
martin odonnell
Yay!
And growing.
tim pool
I know.
martin odonnell
That was my daughter singing that.
I wrote it.
As you know.
tim pool
You wrote that?
martin odonnell
Oh, well, come on, Tim.
Hey, do some research, buddy.
tim pool
I didn't know about the Flintstones thing.
unidentified
Wow.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
We have Flintstones kids.
tim pool
I wasn't alive.
martin odonnell
I know.
I think you have grown.
So you're you did you ever take a Flintstones vitamin?
tim pool
Of course.
unidentified
Okay, we're gonna be able to do that.
tim pool
We always love the memes.
And the kids wanted to eat more than you're allowed to eat because they were yummy.
brett dasovic
That's why all the memes were like, why I haven't gotten COVID 19 yet.
unidentified
And it was your daughter still a musician because she's a great singer.
martin odonnell
Uh, she is a good singer, but no, she's uh she's she's a wonderful, she's got a 501c3 nonprofit that helps uh uh foster kinship care, it's called this foster kids, and she's serviced over 30,000 kids in Nevada alone.
Uh but she was five when she sang and growing.
unidentified
Wow.
martin odonnell
And and she's saying we use that clip of her singing and growing on many, many commercials.
And it put her through college, by the way.
tim pool
Would you would it?
I don't know if this is if it's rude or anything, but would you be able to play something on our electric piece?
martin odonnell
Possibly, yeah.
tim pool
I could probably try we'll we'll we'll have we'll have that for the uncensored portion of the show.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I don't know if it's if it's hooked up or what we need to do to make it work or whatever.
We'll figure it out.
All right, Skyline says youth not taught values by parents are like empty clear glass, easy for communists to fill with any colored propaganda and turn into killers.
Parents must pass on values into kids, government won't.
ian crossland
This is the thing about Catholicism that I love.
I've spoken a lot of crap about Catholicism.
I have issues with authority controlling religion, but that they forced people to repeat the virtues.
This is a huge part of Catholicism.
You remember what are the seven virtues.
It's an integral.
And now we have a free speech society.
We don't compel speech.
And because of that, you see it as kind of drifted from remembering what these virtues are.
So it's important that we do it of our own free will so that we don't have some authority come in and try and force it.
tim pool
Indeed.
Let's see what else we got.
Let's see.
Uh what is it?
Unit unit glue says, I'm wondering how much holy water can fix right now.
Watch the interviews with the exorcist that assisted with the movie Nefarious.
They speak very openly about how much the demonic loves technology.
So we did a whole episode on the Culture War podcast Friday morning.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Last writing about exorcisms.
And I I asked Father Father Aaron, what do you think a leftist would do if you tried to forcefully exercise them?
Can you imagine how they'd act?
It would look like the exorcist.
Now here's the funny thing about it.
martin odonnell
Lots of squirming and screaming and right.
tim pool
Like imagine if there were some leftists outside and a priest walked up and started saying, you know, the power of Christ compels you or whatever they say, they'd be going, now hold on.
Imagine what would happen if a Christian conservative was walking down the street and a priest tried to forcefully exercise him.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
tim pool
They'd be like, uh thank thank you, Father.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy.
It's funny, right?
martin odonnell
Must be father.
Maybe.
tim pool
Yeah, he'd say, like, I I thank you, Father.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like it would just be a calm and okay.
Um, I gotta be honest, man.
I think some people are possessed.
Because think about a normie.
A normal might be like, what are you doing?
They wouldn't freak out like leftists would.
Like these people at these rallies who like, I don't even want to begin to describe what some of these people are like.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You've seen the videos.
ian crossland
Makes you more like them when you get in their headspace like that.
tim pool
Yeah.
martin odonnell
That's why empathy is bad.
Sympathy is better.
I agree with Charlie when you hear the full explanation of that.
Empathy is actually feeling the feelings somebody else has.
And it's it's not necessarily a healthy place to be.
You don't want to actually feel those feelings.
You want to have some sympathy sympathy for someone who's going through pain.
You don't want to necessarily feel exactly what they're feeling, because it could be pretty bad.
And demonic.
tim pool
Shane H. Wilder says, Ian is right.
Forgiveness does not equate justice being served, nor does it equate reconciliation.
The original Hebrew is not thou shalt not kill, it is thou shalt not murder.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, this is a really important distinction because Erica Kirk says she's she forgives the killer, and there are a bunch of like, I don't know, moderate lib types that were saying, like, what does it even mean?
Like, you don't want to go to jail or something like that.
And it's just like, no, she's saying she won't hold the hate in her heart.
It she won't let it weigh her down.
I think she certainly expects the death penalty.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like someone mentioned in a chat that maybe Charlie would have wanted this this guy that's killed him to, if he could be involved that to have multiple life sentences so that he can actually repent.
tim pool
I mean, I I think the general view among most of the Christians is you there there must be some sort of penance, and we must protect society, but it is preferable if you seek uh um what's the right way to describe this?
I guess absolution, you know, like come to terms with what you've done, ask for forgiveness.
And forgiveness doesn't mean you get to walk free and not face the penalty face the penalty for what you've done.
Maybe I think the general idea is that it's it's when you ask for forgiveness, it is just about releasing that that pain from within for both parties, if you truly mean it.
But you're gonna you're gonna go to jail.
In this instance, I think Utah wants the death penalty.
unidentified
So all right, what do we got?
tim pool
Kisham says, Kimmel's saying if Trump shuts down other shows, he hopes his viewers to respond tenfold.
Does that include terror threats?
That's literally what happened.
I I I don't know how you take it any other way, guys.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When Jimmy Kimmel, when a viewer shoots up an ABC station and he says, Thank you, maybe Jimmy Kimmel should have come on the air and says, I did you hear this guy shut up a station?
I mean, this is insane.
Guys, stop.
What are you doing?
No.
He said, do more.
I don't think people recognize where we are.
No, no, I took that back.
I think they get it.
I think at this point people are really starting to get it.
And it's terrifying.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Pinochet says, Ian doesn't acknowledge that the communist hunters have turned into globo homo communist demanders.
What who what do you mean?
Who's that?
Like the US government?
Oh, right, right, right.
ian crossland
Social technocrats.
phil labonte
They're demanding everyone be a there's a lot of that kind of stuff around here.
But he's saying that the global economic order used to be about vaguely right-leaning things, and now it's very much about global homogenation.
brett dasovic
And stamping out populism.
unidentified
And yeah, exactly.
tim pool
All right, let's see what else we get.
I think we get uh one more ran he.
Briflex says Sinclair and uh Sinclair and next star percentage of majority Trump versus Kamala in 2024, using the location of ABC affiliates, Trump County Cities 24 Hera 16, not that lap sided.
What else have we?
All right, let's see what we got here.
Secession now says another show, Tim bitching about civil war.
I think I will skip it tonight.
I guess you don't want to pay attention to the news because we had a terror attack this morning on an ice facility, and there have been four Civil War tonight.
phil labonte
There's been four ice attacks now in the past.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
phil labonte
There's been four ice attacks on ice facilities in the past two weeks.
The idea that we shouldn't cover this or discuss this is just ridiculous.
He can go and watch, you know, something on video games or or other topics, but to to if you are covering the news, you are covering these things, period.
brett dasovic
So you should just come watch Pop Culture Crisis where we'll make fun of the savant and talk about the deranged leftist female power fantasies instead.
ian crossland
And if you're playing Halo while Marty's talking, you're listening to the guy that made the music.
martin odonnell
That's right.
ian crossland
The game you're playing as you're playing it.
tim pool
Kai says, Marty, thank you for making the music for my favorite game.
Also, damn you for taking part in making the horror.
Who at Bungie thought it was a good idea to add zombies to a space game with RPGs?
phil labonte
With RPGs.
martin odonnell
Well, yeah, that was uh I I have to the when rocket launchers were in the hands of they were they weren't zombies.
They were too fast for zombies.
They were the flood, and that was me.
So um uh yeah, that was a little bit scary when when all of a sudden you ran into in the library and the flood had rocket launchers.
And the the first time you It was unfair.
phil labonte
The first time that you run into the flood, like the first encounter, it actually was pretty scary as far as like video games go.
Yeah, you know, it was really cool.
martin odonnell
It was scared of kids.
Give them more weapons and bigger and well, yeah, as you went further, suddenly they had the ultimate weapon, and you're like, it you came around a corner and got a face full of rocket, and you're like, who shot that?
What the flood is shooting rockets now?
It was it was a little bit.
tim pool
Did you also do all the uh Destiny original Destiny stuff?
martin odonnell
Uh I did music for Destiny and and what all the actors, including Peter Dinklage.
tim pool
Uh but I don't understand how they like the original Destiny story was just hodgepodge nonsense and everybody knew.
We loved the game anyway.
martin odonnell
You realize I got fired just before it came out.
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
unidentified
I did is it because you wanted to actually was.
martin odonnell
I I uh there's a there's I I'm working on a book, believe it or not, and uh it will tell my story of my time at Bungie and in video games.
But yeah, there was a there was some dis discussions and disagreements about how that whole thing was handled.
And my story was uh trashed.
Uh the original story that we had been working on got trashed, and then they were gonna try to fix it in the at the last minute.
And it was like that was impossible.
It's gonna be junk, it's gonna be garbage.
tim pool
I mean, it largely was with the gameplay.
Gameplay was good.
Yeah, but uh man, it's this is this is why, 2014?
martin odonnell
Exactly.
tim pool
2014 because I mean my buddies would play the plays non-stop.
Yeah, back when you could actually farm uh the glitch.
martin odonnell
When you farm shot into the cave and that's right.
tim pool
Yeah, they took it away from us, and it's like why?
And they're like, because you're not playing the game we want.
And and well, I guess the general idea is you level up too quickly, it ruins the gameplay and things like that.
martin odonnell
It shouldn't have been.
It was a the way the game that I was gonna work on was gonna be Halo meets World of Warcraft, and uh I uh I thought that would be pretty cool.
Wow.
Um, but I don't think that's what we ended up doing, and I wasn't happy.
And the story got junked.
tim pool
Did you play it pretty extensively?
I'd imagine you did.
martin odonnell
Only when I was working on it.
I didn't play what was shipped.
tim pool
Because you know, it was so it one of the things I really loved about the original World of Warcraft and the original Destiny was in uh World of Warcraft we called it glitch hopping.
Yeah, you could exploit map terrain and go into unexplored areas, and then you could learn about upcoming expansions.
And in uh Destiny, you could do that with a sparrow.
You could go up to a wall and then you could click through the no through the wall or whatever.
And then we found areas that weren't previously released, and they took it all away from us.
And it's like then the game becomes really boring.
The one thing I will say about Destiny is it probably has one of the worst stories I've ever seen for any game ever from start to finish.
Every expansion has just been the most absurd, stupid, poorly written garbage.
I'm sorry if that's offensive to you.
I don't know.
Maybe it's to me.
martin odonnell
I I was I wasn't there, so and I was not happy with it.
tim pool
I can't remember the last one I played.
Um I think it was when you when you unlocked the darkness or whatever, and I was just like, they have no idea what they're doing.
This story is just such cockamami BS and it really ruined it for me.
ian crossland
What was the destiny of in the of the story?
tim pool
Yeah.
martin odonnell
And it's I mean, that's like the original traveler was completely different, the original ghost was completely different.
The the even the gameplay was gonna be different than what ended up happening, and like for example, all the all the uh AI uh companions were gonna go on missions with you, and you wouldn't have just one ghost that was just spewing uh mindless uh are you allowed to give us the story?
I've already been sued and counter sued and been counter-sued and found in contempt that that's all behind me now.
I've I'm past all of it.
tim pool
So you can't?
martin odonnell
I can.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So can you elevator pitch what the original story was supposed to be?
martin odonnell
Um wow.
That that would be a hard elevator pitch, but it was like I said, it was gonna be Destiny, uh was gonna be World of Warcraft and Halo come together.
So the story would evolve as you're playing with your friends.
So for example, the crow was a character who ended up being someone who was like gonna be this cool uh your mercenary kind of outlaw.
You didn't know if you could trust him, and he was gonna go on missions with you, and you'd find loot and you'd find stuff, and you'd uncover the the outer belt that had his sister was and was ruling it, and it was just gonna be all sorts of cool things like that.
You know, the you know you know with the story changed so drastically, we got rid of entire uh characters like Rasputin and some other things.
Well, these still in it, sort of no, but I mean the names are there, but it's it's not the story we had.
tim pool
I think one of the worst things about it was they I don't think the people at Bungie understood that I wanted to see humanity's um I wanted to see victory.
Yeah, and so all they kept giving us was defeat.
Yeah, and so every time this is why I basically stopped playing, because every expansion was basically like humans lose again, and I'm like, stop, stop losing.
Battle Star I wanted to come back to the game.
I wanted the expansion to be like there's a new city, and then it's like humanity is reviving and you're reclaiming planets.
Instead, it's just like nah, you're losing.
Yeah, you're losers.
ian crossland
I think Battlestar Galactica pulled that off in the storyline.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Brett fascinating uh storyline because they're running from these robot AI creatures that are distributed.
martin odonnell
Of course, the problem with that is everybody turned out to be a robot.
I mean, is it robot?
No, wait, they're all robot.
unidentified
By the end, it was like I swear everyone started strong and there was just them losing over and over again.
martin odonnell
Where's the yeah, uh the destiny had a very complex story, and by the time I saw the rewritten script, and I had to work on some of that script because I was sort of biting my time before I got fired.
I had put in my, you know, I uh I object, and nobody cared.
Well uh was the line uh I don't have time to explain why I don't have time.
tim pool
I was gonna ask why I recorded that line and I was like, I remember sitting at a table read actually being the guy reading that line, and I just looked around I was gonna ask you what was the reason the stranger didn't have time to explain why she didn't have a lot of things.
martin odonnell
It was because the writer didn't know what to say.
tim pool
Couldn't you get a 15-year-old kid and be like, hey, draw a picture and we'll make that the reason?
martin odonnell
Yes, that could have happened.
That's sort of what I was suggesting, at least.
tim pool
And look, I think I think they made money off the game, so you know.
martin odonnell
And I made money when Sony bought Bungie because I I sued for my uh founder's stock.
tim pool
And they had to give me my founder stock.
martin odonnell
And then I waited until Sony bought them, and then I was like, All right.
tim pool
You know, I do I I I think the gameplay is was largely good.
I think it's it's it's it's broken at a certain point, but Destiny uh and Destiny 2, me and my friends played non-stop.
I I think my my buddies still play it all the time, actually.
I don't even know.
martin odonnell
The raids, did you play like the fur of like any of the raids?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, all of them do.
martin odonnell
Oh man.
I remember the guy who designed the raids, he said, Marty, the thing you want to have Destiny B, it's not the game, but it is in the raids.
And I'm like, sorry, Luke.
That was Luke's myth.
tim pool
The glass what was it called?
martin odonnell
Yeah, the first one was uh glass songs vault of glass.
tim pool
Vault of glass, Dude.
And then we would push um what's the what's the we push them off the edge?
martin odonnell
We would we would big round thing.
tim pool
No, no, the uh the the giant Vex.
Oh the original the original cheese was that you'd force him to walk off the edge and kill himself and instantly win.
martin odonnell
Okay.
tim pool
Man, that was so much fun.
Yeah, Vault of Glass, the Vex.
I forgot the the guy's name.
I'm sure people in the chat are gonna remember.
And then uh, oh dude, um who was the uh the son of man, it's been so long.
When you with the the the other raid, the expansion into the dark or whatever it was.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Oryx was the big guy.
phil labonte
Okay, right?
martin odonnell
Who was the who was the Is there a chained up guy?
Is that what you're talking about?
Like when it was no see, I I I never played the final shipping versions of of the game, so I don't know how to I still play a little bit of Destiny Disney 2.
phil labonte
Yeah, I like it.
It's not so great now.
The most the most recent expansion is the same.
unidentified
Crota.
martin odonnell
That's what I heard.
Crotage.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
martin odonnell
The Crota raid.
Yeah, I remember.
tim pool
Oh man.
phil labonte
Crota the son of Oryx.
ian crossland
Have they successfully made a game that would be a cross between Halo and I don't think anybody has, no.
martin odonnell
And it might be the problem is that that might be a hard one.
phil labonte
No, part of the reason why I started playing Destiny was because the actual gunplay was so similar to Halo.
martin odonnell
Well, the gunplay was, but the the the what we could do with scripting events inside the game so you could have a sense of flow and progression and victory.
And even I I'll I can tell you one of the things I remember when this decision was made, it was like, well, you know, not everybody can be a hero.
And I'm like, uh but if you're playing a game, you want to be a hero.
It's the point of playing video games.
tim pool
Was it to make people be bad or something?
martin odonnell
No, it was just like this is what's gonna want you to cause you to want to play with your friends and have and and join up with other people in the in the universe.
We had no control over the what we what we used to call the AI.
So the the the characters that are AI characters that play along with you.
We had no way to control them inside the game.
unidentified
Yeah.
martin odonnell
We couldn't script things.
And so I said, Well, where are the friendly Marines?
Where's the friendly AI?
Where's the people who are going along with you?
That's that's part of what Halo is.
You can't get rid of that.
And they're like, well, we have to for these technical reasons.
And I'm like, okay, well, we need technical reasons that brings that back because we're gonna lose something really important in the way the gamers feel about who they are in the game and how they're respected.
And it's like, oh yeah, other players that you meet along the way are gonna give you that.
I'm like, no, they're not.
unidentified
Yeah, fault.
martin odonnell
They're just there are other schlubs out in the world.
tim pool
All at 76 tried that.
And then it whoops.
I will say this Vault of Glass, they've never lived up to it.
Uh and and I presumably because it was the first raid, it was the in-game.
And so the complexity, the puzzles, the gameplay.
martin odonnell
See, they were able to do it only in the raids could they do the scripting that was similar to Halo.
And that's what Luke told me.
He says, Well, don't worry, Marty, we're doing it in the raid.
And I'm like, Luke, that's not the game.
That's uh that's a little bonus extra part of the game.
phil labonte
Because the raids take six people, and not everybody not everybody's really that social.
Some people just want to do stuff.
Like the dungeons, you can get away with doing solo, right?
But but the raids and stuff like that, which is you know it organize.
tim pool
Let me let me let me you play World of Warcraft?
martin odonnell
Uh I played a little bit, but not much.
tim pool
I I used I played it when it when it first came out back in vanilla, level 60, uh tier two PvP rogue, all that good stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
That was a destroyer, field marshal gear, all that good stuff.
That means I'm obviously not the best.
I didn't have Grand Marshall and you still felt like a hero.
martin odonnell
I get it.
tim pool
No, I just it was it was really difficult to get that gear at the time.
Um Alterk Valley was the best.
phil labonte
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
And uh, but you know, I can tell you where they broke the game.
And it started to come around in the in the vanilla game, you had to make friends.
You had no choice.
And those friends attached you to the game.
So we had I think we had Team Speak at the time.
That's what we used.
Man, this is what is this 20 years ago?
And so I'm running around and I'm like level 30 something rogue, I got no idea what's going on.
And then someone comes up and they're like, Are you in a guild yet?
And I'm like, I don't know.
I'm trying to do um uh uh what's that play Hogger?
No, that's like level 10, bro.
Level 30 was um uh uh what what what was it?
That's the the uh Ungoro.
ian crossland
No, you're talking about like dark dark mall.
What is it?
tim pool
Um no, it's the it's the red area and the c it's been so long since I played Venusaur.
ian crossland
Adlands?
tim pool
It's the you go into the cave, I don't know, it's a level 30 dungeon uh instance.
And so anyway.
ian crossland
With all those ogres, those big ogres.
tim pool
The the no the trugs.
Okay, or whatever.
But anyway, uh so I I end up joining a guild, and then they're like, here's our our server for for team speaker, whatever.
Then I joined and they're like, hey, what's up, man?
Welcome to the guild.
And I was like, hey, how's it going?
And they're like, hey, you know, my so-and-so, like, here's what we're doing.
Uh let us know if you ever need any help or any materials or whatever, like, let us know.
And then I'm like, cool.
And then all of a sudden I was turn going online and it was like a friends list again, like when I was a kid on AIM.
They got rid of that for the auto-raid function.
Now, I mean, the last time I played, I think was Legion or something.
No, no, it was it was Shadow Shadowlands, is that what it's called?
That's been so long.
Uh but you go in and you click, I want to go on a raid, and you click it, and then it just randomly pairs you with 40 people that you don't know.
They're stupid, easy and boring.
And I was like, this game sucks.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
You used to have to find a warlock and befriend him so that he could teleport you to the dungeon to go play with friends.
And now you just click a button.
I don't know.
It's like this age of uh Aldeman.
Alderman, that's what I was trying to think of.
Alderman.
tim pool
All right, let's grab uh we'll grab I'll grab one more here.
I'm getting lost in all video games, man.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
Simon Keys has many of us said this is going to take a war to stop the existential threat to the people of our once free republic.
Tim and friends, now we get to see if we can navigate and survive a fully mature communist rebellion.
I think we're winning.
I think we will win.
But the night is always darkest before the dawn.
And so we can see these terror attacks are the recoiling temper tantrum of violent psychopaths who can't accept that they've lost.
And we have the weight of government behind us to stop these criminals, as we should, and these terrorists, and we are going to restore peace to the republic.
That being said, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
The uncensored portion of the show is coming up at Rumble.com slash Timcast I R L. You don't want to miss it, you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Marty, do you want to shout anything out?
martin odonnell
Uh yeah, everybody go to uh Marty for Congress.com.
And by the way, you can find out everything I believe in, and you can also contribute to me there.
Now the reason it's contributing is good is good for your soul, but it also shows the Republican Party that I have people out there in the real world who uh support me.
So Marty for Congress.com and I want to get to Congress and start doing the right thing.
unidentified
Is it the word Marty for F O R FOR, yes, thank you?
ian crossland
For Congress.
martin odonnell
I should have bought both URLs.
ian crossland
It's not too late.
martin odonnell
Domains, I should have done it.
Yes, you're right.
ian crossland
Get it to me.
martin odonnell
Okay, we're gonna oh somebody probably just bought it.
tim pool
I'm gonna go put on Destiny One after this.
martin odonnell
The music's good, I can tell you that.
tim pool
No more Peter Dinklage, though.
It's Nolan Northright.
martin odonnell
I got all the Peter Dinklage.
brett dasovic
Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on X at Brett Dasivic on both of those platforms.
And what you should do is check out Pop Culture Crisis.
We are live Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
You should check us out on YouTube and Rumble.
See you there, guys.
ian crossland
I'm uh Ian Crosslin, and thank you guys for coming.
Thanks for having me.
It's very, very good to be here.
Be virtuous.
Remember, check out the Catholic virtues.
Get familiar as you familiarize yourself with them and memorize what they mean and what they used to mean, because the definitions can put it it all, and then m see this the sins and just focus on a virtuous life.
It'll help a lot in in your moments and moment and for the future.
All of it just be virtuous.
Thank you.
phil labonte
I am fill the remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
You can check us out on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora Spotify, or Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We will see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL in about a minute.
Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Cool, Oh,
tim pool
that's because we're alive in the Discord.
ian crossland
Lucky Duck.
tim pool
Yeah, but but anyway, uh we're talking about how Destiny could have been the best IP of our generation.
ian crossland
The story sucked, and I'm like it was a voice acting ass poor.
tim pool
No, it was great.
Oh, yeah.
martin odonnell
And and I mean, we had Nathan Phillian, we had I mean I had all sorts of cast.
tim pool
And they killed him and they brought him back though.
martin odonnell
Yeah.
phil labonte
They killed him.
tim pool
It's great.
martin odonnell
Yeah, well, I mean, I worked with Nathan all the way back to uh Halo 3 was in Halo 3, and so was Adam Baldwin.
tim pool
Now he's Guy Gardner.
martin odonnell
Oh, is he really?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, he had Adam Baldwin too.
brett dasovic
You worked with Adam Baldwin too.
Yeah, that's so awesome.
tim pool
I just want I want to shout out here.
I wanna I bet you we could.
martin odonnell
I bet you I could call.
tim pool
I want to shout out Peacemaker if you guys been watching Peacemaker.
There's uh I think what James Gunn is doing is absolutely fantastic with the with the DC universe, thank God.
And uh something good.
Yeah, yeah, I I agree.
I like the I'm a big fan of MADC fan.
And so the scene is Peacemaker is auditioning for the Justice Gang.
brett dasovic
Okay, I did see that.
I saw the first episode.
It's it's hilarious.
tim pool
It's so good.
He he walks in and it's uh Maxwell Lord, Guy Gardner and Hot Girl.
unidentified
By the way, Maxwell Lord is his brother.
tim pool
Yeah, he's yeah, of course.
He James loves doing the same actors.
And uh he thinks he's turning the mic off, but it's broken, so it's on.
And then he goes, uh, he's like, Mr. Peacemaker, uh, can you describe your abilities and turns it off?
And then Philly in his guy Gardner goes, besides sucking dick.
brett dasovic
Then when he finds out that the microphone's been on the whole time, he's like, How many times did I mention that lady's camel toe?
I I will say the show isn't for me, like I just I love the first I love the first season of Peacemaker, but that humor I think I just outgrew in my late thirties.
I outgrew the the James Gunn humor, and it was just too much of a a shock to come from Superman, which he's like, This is for kids.
Your kids should go see this.
But if you want to follow the DCU, you gotta watch Peacemaker, which is not made for children, which I do not like.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what's really funny is if you watch any James Gunn film, it's the same actors all the way through.
brett dasovic
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Like uh I just watched Bright Burn again, which was produced by him, and it's like literally his wife is in it.
brett dasovic
And you know, it's like I mean, that was the real Nepo baby.
This is like, we're rebooting the whole universe, except my wife.
tim pool
Well, I mean Rick Flagg.
brett dasovic
Uh well, they brought in Frank Grillo to play the because it wasn't but no, it was it was uh tall enough.
It was not it was what it was he's Frank, he's uh Rick Flag senior in this one.
tim pool
I know, and he's not tall enough.
brett dasovic
Yeah.
tim pool
His son is six five and he's five's seven.
brett dasovic
Frank Grillo is great.
tim pool
I know, I know, it's fantastic.
So he's really, really great.
It's just that they they they have a guy whose child is like a foot and a half taller than him, and I'm like, his mom must have been huge.
brett dasovic
I forget that actor who played Rick Flag in Suicide Squad, but he's that actor's great.
He was the one from the show The Killing, the one that was based on like the Danish.
tim pool
He's still in Peacemaker.
Yeah, because they're in an alternate dimension now.
brett dasovic
And then that's the thing the I only watched the one episode, but it has the stuff that James Gunn does that I really really like, which is like he has the crude humor, like mentioning like the woman's camel toe.
But then you see the scene where he, you know, he's in the pocket dimension with his dad and his brother, and there's actual emotional resonance there.
tim pool
So I think my theory is that for those that are watching the show, uh, if you know the if you know the backstory that they've presented so far, in season one, his dad's a white supremacist.
Do you know the show Peacemaker?
martin odonnell
No.
tim pool
I'll just run through Casina.
Yeah, so uh Peacemaker's dad is a white supremacist, and he's got a power suit that he basically got because they found when when they were they they revealed this in the second season when they were kids living in the in the forest or whatever in the hills, their white supremacist dad shot and killed an alien and stole a dimensional portal device, which brought them to a pocket dimension where he got access to this crazy technology.
And in the main storyline, his dad's what is it, like white red dragon or something?
brett dasovic
White dragon.
tim pool
White dragon.
He's a white supremacist with a super suit.
And at the end of the season, Peacemaker shoots him in the head, kills him.
In the second season, he finds another door that leads to an alternate reality where his dad and his his brother's alive.
His dad's happy go lucky.
He's like a well-beloved superhero, part of a team called like the trio or whatever.
And my theory, and it's not my theory, it's just like a general fan theory.
It's a universe where the Nazis won.
And so the reason why the dad is all happy and smiley and like, hey, kids, is because he's a white supremacist in a white supremacist country.
And when in in the show, you don't notice this, but there's no like everyone's white when he goes in this dimension.
So the fan theory is he's an Earth X, where you're gonna be able to do that, DC, like they ran that on the CW version of the show.
brett dasovic
They did a crisis on Earth X episode.
That is like one of the craziest things about that first season of Peacemaker's like everybody's mad at his dad for being a white supremacist, not for raising a murderous child who's trained to kill people.
martin odonnell
Yeah, I like the kick.
tim pool
It's on uh it's on HBO.
martin odonnell
HBO.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Go check that.
ian crossland
Are you guys like do I I think about like video games and movies merging right now?
Do you think about that a lot, Brett?
brett dasovic
I was gonna say to Phil is like, if you want to talk about something funny, ask Phil about his thoughts on the Halo TV series.
unidentified
Oh god, that was an atrocious that should have been a boring.
tim pool
But it's always the case.
When has a video game movie ever been good?
brett dasovic
Mortal Kombat 1995.
It's a fantastic movie.
I don't care what anybody says.
tim pool
Yes, okay, we get it.
phil labonte
That's the best.
Just right out of it.
unidentified
What did you think about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
tim pool
It's not a video game movie.
brett dasovic
Okay, yeah, that is.
ian crossland
It was more of a cartoon.
tim pool
Oh, by the way, by the way, by the way, I have the original Teenage Ninja Turtles comic right there on the shelf.
ian crossland
I used to stare at that on the wall at JC Comics.
brett dasovic
The 1990 Teenage Mutant.
Yeah, C Twitch is still the best.
martin odonnell
That's the kind of thing my games are in.
Is that kind of container with a rating on it?
Yeah, I have a my I signed it, so my pictures in between.
tim pool
The original Deadpool as well.
ian crossland
I feel like we're headed to it.
tim pool
I had an original vision, but it's I got Deadpool's first appearance.
ian crossland
I should bring in.
I should bring up my comments right there.
Is it X Force number 15, is it?
tim pool
That is the original.
That says introducing Deadpool.
ian crossland
I'm gonna grab it.
tim pool
And Domino.
martin odonnell
You know, I should have.
tim pool
That's the first appearance.
martin odonnell
I I got baseball cards and I've got uh I've got comics from my childhood.
ian crossland
This is right when I started collecting comics.
tim pool
That is the very first Deadpool.
ian crossland
My friend gave me new mutants.
tim pool
But what it says is it says introducing Deadpool in it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think I have this, Tim.
tim pool
And he wasn't goofy, he was serious.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was cheap.
He was real boring in the world.
tim pool
He was he was a he was a clone of Slade from DC.
ian crossland
Real boring.
He fought cable and he like did nothing.
I was like, who is this?
What is the point of this chip?
tim pool
He was a clone of Deathstroke from DC.
They were like, Okay, let's let's make that character and try and rip off, you know.
ian crossland
I brought it up because I feel like as AI is developing, we're headed into a realm where you are the first person character in a video game movie.
It becomes all one sort of art form.
tim pool
Oh bro, we're fucking cooked, dude.
We're we're like three years away from there's not gonna be any IP anymore.
You know what's gonna happen?
I'm gonna I'm gonna put on my fucking brain chip and I'm gonna say to the AI machine, say, I want to play a play a Destiny video game first person, but fix the fucking story, and then I'm gonna plug in your script, and then it's gonna just uh AI generate the game, and it's gonna go my brain's gonna go in it.
Like in that weird ass black mirror where the guy becomes an Asian chick and bangs the black dude.
martin odonnell
Oh, that's right.
I remember that.
tim pool
That was a good one.
brett dasovic
Do you know what the actually the best video game movie is?
It's Cran Turismo, which wasn't actually based on the video game, it was based on the concept of the game.
tim pool
Need for speed.
brett dasovic
Need for speed.
ian crossland
What other ones?
tim pool
They always fuck them up.
ian crossland
They gotta make them Oh, Tron?
That was a movie based off of video game.
Yeah, or was it the other way around?
tim pool
Oh, it's the other way around.
martin odonnell
Well, you did make a Tron game, but it was based on after the Major.
brett dasovic
Also, the Sonic movie was done well.
martin odonnell
The universe was a good one.
tim pool
Fair point.
Sonic movie club arcade game.
I give you that.
The Sonic movies were done well.
unidentified
Oh.
ian crossland
Because they they focused on the villain.
martin odonnell
Uh uh, what was the uh TV series that was based uh last couple years ago that came out last year?
Uh the first season of Last of Us, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, not the second season.
I I I've well to be fair, the the the first season had that extended gay sex stuff, and I'm like, yeah, okay, I don't know.
brett dasovic
They put that in episodes three and they like they like put it in two specific episodes and like cordoned those episodes off.
tim pool
Uh last thing before we go to callers, the last of us video game.
Do you know what it is?
It is a it is a uh average male power fantasy.
You are a middle-aged man and you rescue a young girl and try and save her from a zombie apocalypse.
You're a father figure trying to be a hero, and that is the game.
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