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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy Kimmel is back.
		ABC is reviving his show as of tomorrow, and it seems that this may be due to terror threats and terror attacks.
		Now, not necessarily, we don't know for sure, but we're now learning that the man who shot up the ABC affiliate in California was targeting other prominent conservatives.
		And the DA says we believe there was a political motive to this attack.
		Sinclair last week was going to air a tribute to Charlie Kirk, but pulled it at the last minute because of terroristic threats.
		Now, ABC has announced they will bring the show back.
		But Sinclair says absolutely not.
		They intend to still preempt the show if it comes back tomorrow.
		So this will be interesting.
		My wager is that Jimmy Kimmel's ratings are going to be massive.
		I mean, the liberals are all acting like he's their favorite commentator, despite the fact none of them watched his show.
		But now everyone wants to know what he's going to say because the reporting is he will not apologize.
		But he's coming back anyway, baby.
		So what could possibly make them decide to bring back his show?
		I don't know.
		Maybe they negotiated his salary way down using this morality clause breach, or maybe the threats of terroristic violence against their stations made them think we probably should bring this show back.
		Considering what we've seen in the past, I think there's a strong possibility of that.
		Now, there actually is a bunch of other news.
		Trump has a formally designated Antifa a terrorist organization.
		I believe this likely means it's going to allow him to go after funding organizations that empower the individuals, not like there is a big central Antifa network.
		It is a decentralized network.
		We'll talk about that.
		Plus, the reaction to the Charlie Kirk Memorial.
		Over 100 million watched.
		And the leftists are calling it a Nazi rally because what else would they do?
		And a man is arrested for pointing a laser at Air Force One.
		That's crazy.
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unidentified		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Augustus Dorico.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Pleasure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
		Yeah, my name's Augustus DiRico.
		I run Rainmaker.
		We're the biggest cloud seating company in the United States, and we're making more water for farms, ecosystem restoration, hydroelectric utilities, and ski resorts by flying drones into clouds that aren't naturally precipitating and then making them rain or snowmore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm Shane Cashman.
		If I were king, I would ban this because it's sky terrorism.
		But I'm happy you're here.
		Dude, I would love to talk about it.
		I'm stoked to talk about it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just look right at Shane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, waiting for him to say that clouds don't exist.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I've been telling them about weather manipulation for years.
		Everyone laughs at me.
		I'm like, well, the face of Big Cloud is right here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tate producer is here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What's going on, guys?
		Tate Brown here.
		You know, me and Augustus, we had the frosty interaction one time.
		I heard drones overhead and I heard some water dropping.
		I got a little nervous, so I made it up, and then I was here.
		This is great.
		So happy to be here.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Hello, everybody.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here we go from the New York Post.
		This is a pretty complicated series of stories.
		First, we have this.
		Jimmy Kimmel set for return to ABC after backlash, but won't apologize for Charlie Kirk comments, according to sources.
		They say that he negotiated his return to the airwaves directly with CEO of Disney Bob Iger and Disney Entertainment co-chair Dana Walden.
		Kimmel will address the controversy during his monologue on Tuesday, though he will stop short of apologizing.
		Now, hold on there, a gosh darn minute.
		This was, we already knew that he got pulled for this reason.
		According to the Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood Reporter, he was going to come on his show last week after the controversy, address the comments, refuse to apologize, and criticize MAGA for twisting his words.
		Because of this, Bob Iger and Dana Walden were concerned that advertisers and affiliates were already angry and concerned.
		They thought he was going to make it worse.
		He refused to not engage in this commentary.
		So they said, then we're pulling your show.
		That's the Wall Street Journal and the Hollywood Reporter reporting.
		Now it sounds like they've caved.
		We'll let Jimmy Kimmel do exactly the same thing, but that makes no sense.
		Now, maybe.
		Let me throw some maybes out there.
		$15 million per year, very expensive show, very low-key demo ratings.
		Maybe he said, slash my salary.
		They said, we're not going to bring you back.
		He goes, okay, how much are you going to lose from this?
		We're already losing millions.
		Okay, slash my salary, bring the show back.
		Maybe they said, okay, screw it.
		Fine, I guess.
		I don't think so.
		And I'll tell you why.
		We've got this story from NBC News.
		Jimmy Kimmel's suspension might have been a factor in the shooting at Sacramento ABC affiliate DA says, NBC News.
		They could actually do the reporting.
		They don't want to, but at least they give us this.
		Quote, we believe that there was a political motive behind his intention.
		And then from the National Review, suspect in ABC station shooting, politically motivated, left a note warning Trump officials they are next.
		Considering that, let's see, do we have the, where's the other story from?
		I thought this one pulled up.
		I guess we don't.
		Postmillennial reported.
		I'll grab this one too.
		Because there's a lot in this.
		Okay, here we go.
		Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
		This is a different.
		There's a lot to break this down.
		I'm trying to find the postmillennial story.
		Sinclair, here we go.
		Here's the other component.
		If it loads.
		Sinclair canceled its tribute to Charlie Kirk after ABC stations got terroristic threats.
		Local threats directed at specific local ABC stations resulting from the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel.
		So let's wrap it all up.
		Right now, Sinclair is saying they will not bring back Jimmy Kimmel.
		However, they did take down Charlie Kirk's memorial terroristic threats.
		A shooter threatened to kill them.
		And presumably there are way more threats than this.
		And they're bringing Jimmy Kimmel back to do exactly what they told him not to do.
		I'm going to go ahead and say we don't know any reason why ABC would bring him back.
		We don't have any official reporting as to what the reason is that he negotiated.
		I can only then infer the terror attack and threats of terrorism against ABC stations forced Disney to cave and return Jimmy Kimmel to the airwaves.
		But that is just my personal opinion, pending any other information.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I hate that they're Streistand affecting him now.
		And he's going to play the victim.
		And it's gross.
		Because in my opinion, I mean, no one's watching him in the first place.
		And his irrelevance is our vengeance.
		And I think we can just move on from these corporations that pump out slop and hate and just watch the corporations die.
		That's why we have YouTube.
		That's why we're doing shows like this.
		People are tuning into this more than they're tuning into Kimmel.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, not that I strongly disagree with you, but I mean, you're just going from one corporation to another.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And Google's one of the biggest earth got a lot of issues.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You know, they all do.
		But he can go start a YouTube page.
		You know, the fact that he gets to play victim now is not what anyone wants.
		No one wants to see him crying anymore.
		More.
		He's done that enough.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, like, as far as the return episode getting a pop, like, a lot of people are speculating this.
		But even with Colbert, it was like two nights where everyone rallied and it was like this big deal or whatever.
		What's he been up to?
		Like, when's the last time you saw a Colbert clip?
		I think the same thing's going to happen to Kimmel because I think libs are just so demoralized that they'll maybe muster up enough strength to back Kimmel for like a night or two.
		And then he'll just be obscure again, back to obscurity.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's not like this isn't going to give him better ratings.
		Like, you might, like you said, he might get a pop, but look at him.
		It's still going to be the same content that people have been moving away from or the same show that people have been moving away from for the past at least five years.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		If he comes back in blackface, I'll respect it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Man, I'd tune in.
unidentified		Shoot.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That'd be awesome.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He won't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what the left would say to that.
		I will just.
		I don't think it really matters.
		I think his return show tomorrow is going to have a massive viewership.
		It's going to be the biggest show he's done probably ever.
		Maybe not.
		I mean, with television dying, maybe he was getting a lot more ratings and with an aging demographic.
		His ratings dropped 43% from July into August.
		Here's what I think.
		I was on Piers Morgan earlier, and the most annoying thing in the world is how literally everybody, even conservatives, are like, well, the FCC's comments and the FCC this.
		I'm like, the FCC has little to do with why he was taken off the air.
		I think Brendan Carr's statements did play a role, probably minimal, because advertisers, according to the Wall Street Journal, were calling ABC upset.
		And you got to imagine with the Bud Light effect and Target getting hit by it, they were like, we don't want to be associated with whatever it is this guy is doing.
		He's got to apologize or something.
		And Jimmy Kimmel said, no, I won't do that.
		They said, you're going to make it worse.
		He said, so what?
		They said, your show's off the air.
		Now he's coming back a week later and he's going to do exactly that.
		He's going to make it a lot worse.
		You know what happened?
		I think it is fairly obvious.
		Now, when I was on Piers Morgan, I said, why are you all making assumptions the FCC was responsible for this?
		You're literally saying Trump pressured them and Trump was mad.
		We have no evidence at all that Trump was in any way affiliated or associated with the cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel.
		None.
		Brendan Carr made a statement to Benny Johnson.
		It was probably off the cuff.
		Maybe it got ABC a little scared, but the advertising affiliates were the main reason.
		And so I'm saying to these people, you are speculating as to the reason.
		Now we're asking ourselves, what did Jimmy Kimmel do to get brought back on the air?
		And we have no information.
		The reporting suggests he just negotiated his way back on.
		In that case, I'm willing to speculate.
		This is terrorism.
		A guy shot up an ABC affiliate.
		A bunch of local ABC stations were getting terror threats, threats of violence.
		Sinclair pulled their memorial to Charlie Kirk.
		I think the only thing we're seeing is that when faced with a threat of, let's be very clear here.
		When faced with a threat of boycott, it's, you know, okay, that's a bad thing.
		Bud Light lost a lot of money.
		Disney's probably saying we don't want to boycott.
		But now they're receiving terroristic threats a week after Charlie Kirk had a bullet, an assassin put a bullet in his neck.
		And imagine you're Bob Iger and you see someone drive by and shoot up an ABC affiliate.
		You see Sinclair being like, our affiliates are getting death threats and terror threats.
		And then Jimmy Kimmel says, want to put my show back now?
		And you go, please, just stop.
		Okay, I'll do whatever you want.
		A threat of a boycott means nothing.
		The threat of death means everything.
		So Republicans sitting here saying, We are going to pat ourselves on the back and we're going to wag our fingers.
		That's not the motivating issue here.
		They said, you know what?
		You guys getting mad at us over this only go so far.
		Bob Iger is probably sitting there calling his security guards because I got to tell, I'll tell you what, because I deal with this, I guarantee you, Bob Iger had a consultation with the security guys and they said the threat assessment against your life just went up 100 fold.
		And he was like, why?
		And they're like, they killed Charlie Kirk a week ago.
		They're shooting up ABC stations and threatening to shoot up more.
		Okay, you need to cave.
		And he says, I'll do anything they say and dropped to his knees like a whiny, scared little bitch.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Just like in 2020.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The same thing.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They bent a knee constantly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When the left says they will murder you, everyone believes them.
		I do.
		They do.
		I don't see any legitimate reason why ABC would return a lose.
		Let's be very clear here.
		Roseanne was their highest rated show.
		This is what everybody's been saying.
		Roseanne was their highest rated show.
		And get this, they pulled her off the air because she tweeted a joke.
		That's how terrified they were of the left.
		They will sacrifice all of their profit on her show, which is massive.
		The Connors ratings collapsed.
		And we had Roseanne on the show.
		And she said, they asked her to come back later as a ghost.
		And she refused to do it.
		That's how bad it was.
		They were desperate.
		In this instance, Jimmy Kimmel is losing millions, tens of millions, most likely.
		And they're willing to lose that money.
		And I'm going to ask why.
		They don't have the audience for it.
		$129,000 in the key demo, 1 million in total viewers.
		My estimate based on those numbers and sales is what?
		Is he pulling in 20K an episode?
		That's me being generous.
		And he's getting paid $15 million a year.
		What would motivate a company to lose money on a failing show, especially after even Colbert already had its contract canceled?
		I'm going to tell you, I think Bob Iger and Dana Walden are scared of getting a bullet in the neck just like Charlie Kirk got.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's a legitimate concern, right?
		Like whether it be actual assassination attempts or just the rioting that you saw in 2020 or, you know, the smaller scale riots that you've seen since, the protests and stuff, everyone knows, as much as the left swears up and down that they're not violent, as much as the left swears up and down, no, the right is violent.
		The right are the ones that carry out all this.
		Everyone still knows that it's the left and Democrats and Democrat politicians will not condemn it, right?
		Like they will actually say things like, you need to be out in the streets.
		You need to be out protesting this, knowing what's going to happen.
		So, I mean, I don't know exactly what the, I don't, you know, I don't have any kind of inclination as to what the actual behind the scenes conversations were like, but it's definitely true that there is a legitimate risk that some crazy leftist will try to kill you.
		I mean, you had the attack on the, you know, the, what is it, the Sacramento, California ABC station.
		So, I mean, I mean, it's, it's compelling.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I kind of want to reframe this a little bit because there is something to be said about the fact that, you know, post-Bud Light, the conservators are actually able to throw their weight around and they're actually able to impose their will on the culture like this because the fact that the left is having to resort to, I mean, violence in this case to get what Jimmy Kimmel back on the air.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, that shows that conservatives are actually having to respond to conservatives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're not resorting to it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've been doing it for, this is why Trump is designated anti-terrorist organization.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, I know, but I'm just saying the fact that we're able to put them in a position where the only way they can keep Jimmy Kimmel on air is by shooting up ABC stations.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that does show how we are winning and that shows that they're completely demoralized.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Well, so be that as it may, I also suspect that whereas with like Roseanne as an example, when she got pulled, I think that the advertiser boycott was probably like a legitimate threat, where like when Elon was bringing free speech back to X and like the advertiser boycott happened, like that was real.
		That did happen.
		X's revenue got crushed.
		I don't know if like the big corporations that are doing advertising on mainstream media actually are so committed to a change of heart or to disavowing political violence that their threats were even real.
		I think maybe they were caught up in the moment after that assassination, but it was a bluff, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the advertisers and the affiliates.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		And so it might have been easier for Sinclair.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not Sinclair saying they're still not going to air Jimmy Kimmel.
		So they're not bluffing.
		They might be.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Maybe tomorrow they put him back on the air.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		But taking Kirk's memorial down still, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Yeah.
		That's why I would make the argument it's about the terror threats.
		The Bud Light effect is scary.
		Bud Light has never recovered.
		I was wrong about that.
		I thought the numbers were going to come back around.
		Bud Lights never recovered.
		This is actually pretty crazy.
		I think, you know, who was the comedian I was on with Piers with Jeff Dye, I think his name was.
		They, you know, they added these guests at the last minute.
		But no disrespect.
		He made a great point that imagine after George Floyd died, if someone came out and a comedian on his, like Jimmy Kimmel came out and said, George Floyd died because he was resisting arrest.
		This is what you get.
		People would have lost their minds.
		I mean, they were riding and burning down cities.
		Well, here's the deal.
		When Jimmy Kimmel implied that the shooter was a Trump supporter and the right got mad, there was fear among advertisers and affiliates that this is going to cause a backlash.
		And then ABC said, okay, Jimmy, don't.
		No, wait, Jimmy, you're going to make it worse off the air.
		Then a guy drove up and unloaded on an ABC station.
		A bunch of local affiliates got terror threats.
		And then within a few days, Bob Iger's like, Jimmy, please come back.
		I don't see there is a fear of the Bud Light effect, but I got to tell you, if these guys, like this, like Disney, I assure you, man, these guys have security threats you don't even realize.
		We don't talk about it because you can't.
		The security stuff that happens here, Shane knows all about it.
		We can't publicly state it because it will expose, it will amplify the danger.
		It will inflame the stalkers.
		It will make things substantially more dangerous for us.
		Based on what we deal with, and I got to tell you this, there are people behind the scenes here that are also getting death threats.
		I mentioned this last week.
		I was getting texts from crew being like, I am receiving death threats to my email right now.
		Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney, I bet you someone sent him a photo of his kids or like his grandkids or something and a picture of his home.
		Because the threat of Bud Light effect is terrifying to a business.
		But you know what's scarier?
		When someone shoots up an ABC station and then someone else threatens to murder you and you know their claims are their threats are real.
		When this guy shut up the ABC station got released by the local jail, the FBI swooped in and arrested him.
		And so I'll tell you this: you're the CEO of Disney.
		You have a private security company because you are the CEO of Disney.
		You are getting death threats.
		I don't think there's a reality where they're not.
		And your security assessment, your security liaison, he comes to you and he says, okay, the threats against you have increased 1,000 fold, literally overnight because of the firing of Jimmy Kimmel.
		They're actively shooting into these stations and they just released him.
		He's in California.
		He's probably like, okay, whatever they want.
		Just make it stop.
		Listen, no amount of money in the world is worth fearing that someone's going to put a bullet in your neck when you least expect it.
		You won't be able to spend that money.
		I mean, I got to be honest because I'm pissed off.
		The security, I really wanted to go on Sunday to see Charlie Kirk's Memorial.
		And a lot of people did.
		And a lot of people without fear.
		And I'm jealous because my security team came and they were like, it's going to cost a lot of money.
		And I said, we can't afford that.
		They said, well, then we can't provide you security.
		I said, okay, what's the point of the money if I have to fear landing on an airplane and getting shot by some lunatic?
		Because the threats have weight to them.
		The threats that we're receiving.
		The stalkers, the threats, it's nuts, particularly in those areas.
		So this has me really pissed off.
		I'll just leave it at that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, like I said earlier, the terrorists, the threats are real.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And that's why it's good that Donald Trump is taking these kind of threats seriously and going after Antifa and stuff, because largely people that would make the threats, if they're not, you know, if they're not a part of an organization like Rose City Antifa, they're absolutely loosely affiliated with these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read the next story from National Review.
		Specifically, suspect in ABC station shooting left a note warning Trump officials they are next.
		Prosecutors believe the suspect who allegedly opened fire on the ABC 10 station in Sacramento on Friday was politically motivated, explained that a search of the suspect's vehicle yielded a note that criticized members of the Trump administration and appeared to reference the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk.
		The Sacramento Police Department executed a search of 64-year-old Annibal Hernandez Santana's home, where they not only found the semi-automatic nine-millimeter handgun he allegedly used to fire into the station multiple times, but also various pieces of evidence that suggested that he was motivated.
		Okay, so they killed the story right there.
		But NBC News reports similarly.
		People have also dug up what they say are tweets of his, where he makes a bunch of inflammatory comments.
		So we've already talked in great deal about how this, in my opinion, motivated Disney to bring Jimmy Kimmel back.
		My question is: Trump has designated anti-foot terror intention.
		We're going to get into all that.
		But we are now dealing with, I mean, this is a week and a half after a political assassination.
		They're threatening to do it again.
		And Disney is giving in.
		Where do we go from here?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is a year after two attempts on the life of the president.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Do you think Bob Iger is so insane that despite the news of this being a leftist, he still thinks it's right-wing violence coming for him?
		Or do you think they actually understand the reality of left-handed?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They know.
		They know for a fact.
		But you don't spend millions of dollars.
		I will tell you this: Bob Iger probably spends $5, $10 million a year on security.
		He's the CEO of Disney.
		And his security guards aren't coming to him and lying.
		They're not going to go to him and be like, yeah, it's Greepers.
		No, he's paying for real, legit guys.
		And they're saying the threat is the left.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
		Because these people are insane, too.
		And like, despite showing some of these people facts, I know you're saying the security team, but there's people I know in the real world, not like Iger, obviously, who, despite me showing them the facts, they still will believe the opposite.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's possible, but I good.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's possible, but I don't see why he's got, like, like Tim said, he's got very high-level security.
		These people, these guys are the top, top of the line when it comes to personal security and stuff.
		And I don't see why he would be like, no, man, I'm sure that it's the other guys.
		And to be honest with you, from his perspective, it doesn't matter.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's like, it's, it's, it's, I have a security concern.
		It doesn't matter who's going to be doing the issues, you know, who the person might be or what their politics might be.
		It's just the security's concern.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's 74 years old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what kind of politics do you think he might have?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like Joy Behar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It might be, indeed.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's in his 70s.
		Maybe he remembers what the late 60s and early 70s were like with all the left-wing bombing and all the attacks and stuff.
		Because, you know, you see the comments about how the right is the perpetrators of most political violence.
		And they always stop it.
		They always started at like 1975.
		They never go back to 65.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Iger.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sorry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Iger left the Democratic Party in 2016.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he dropped his party affiliation to independent.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		However, it doesn't mean a lot, but I have to imagine that, you know, they say online he described himself as a centrist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's fairly obvious.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd like to think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we should expect to see more terror because the left is basically saying right now, terror works.
		The fact that Jimmy Kimmel is coming back on the air, they've asserted the threat of death.
		It works.
		And what's crazy is the thought leaders, the movers and the shakers of the Democratic Party and the left don't need to get their own hands dirty because they've got a bunch of stochastic terrorists, or I should say they are the stochastic terrorists invoking the terrorism.
		They are the people going on TV and saying, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest?
		And then people go and do it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, just like Arn was saying today on your interview with him, you need the federal government to do its job, right?
		Like, we don't have a system where people can take things, take these issues into their own hands.
		And even if you hired private investigators or private security, you still need law enforcement to actually do the grabbing of the bad guys, right?
		Like for it to be illegal.
		You could have private investigators, private security.
		They might be able to hold someone if they catch them, but it's going to be law enforcement that's going to pick them up.
		And it's going to take a justice department that actually does want to lower the amount of violent crime that's happening.
		And I don't know that we have that yet.
		We have a lot of judges that will let people go.
		We have a lot of DAs that don't want to prosecute.
		And that's one of the biggest problems America faces for not just the next couple of years, but probably for the next couple of decades is how do we get these DAs and these judges to actually put people in jail when they align with the judge politically.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I mean, the sad thing is in this case, when you have, you know, these organizations like MSNBC just radicalizing grandfathers across the country, I mean, no matter what laws you have on the books, and even if you're enforcing them, like, you can't stop some MSNBC American from crashing out and shooting up an ABC student.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's just the environment we're in is like, we need a top-down cultural change as well.
unidentified		Yes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because this is just completely unacceptable.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You have these atomized, these atomized boomers that, I mean, they feel like Jimmy Kimmel is this victim of a fascist government crackdown and they need to do something about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they made it up.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what laws could you pass to prevent that from happening?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mentioned this earlier that I went on Piers Morgan today and every single person was like, the FCC did this to Jimmy.
		And I was like, that's nowhere in the reporting.
		Nowhere, literally not reported anywhere.
		The FCC actually had in any way contact.
		And, you know, Cat Tip's argument was, so are you saying it's a coincidence?
		And I'm like, honest question for you guys.
		Do you think that Bob Iger was watching the Benny Johnson podcast?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anymore.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Anything's possible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'd say probably not.
		I do think that his statements, which made it to the news, probably trickled its way into the conversation, but that wasn't in the ear of Dana Walden or Bob Iger.
		What was in their ear was that advertisers called them and were upset and so were affiliates.
		I don't, and so, you know, with all due respect to Benny, I do think the FCC thing was big and it played a role, but they have to say this because the story has to be about Trump.
		It can't just be that Disney was like, we don't want to lose money, so you're fired.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What are the odds, you think?
		This is going to sound like a crazy statement, but I'm going to say it anyway, that Kimmel comes out and tries to do something unifying.
		He can't because he's horrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reporting is he won't apologize.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Even if that, I mean, I know he won't apologize, but I feel like there's a small percentage that he's going to try.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It won't work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think what he's going to say is he's going to, so what's the guy's name?
		The guy was on the Piers, John Fugel saying or something.
		I'm not trying to mispronounce his name on purpose.
		He was saying that Jimmy Kimmel was 100% factually correct, that MAGO was trying to paint this man as anything but a MAGA guy.
		What he's saying is that, no, no, we know he wasn't MAGA.
		And those Trump supporters were trying real hard to make sure everybody else did too.
		But that's not the implication being made by Jimmy Kimmel.
		Jimmy Kimmel, the way he said it was, they tried, I'm paraphrasing, but really hard to make people believe he wasn't anything but one of their own.
		The implication, of course, being he was.
		Jimmy Kimmel's going to come out and say, the point that I made on my show was that we know this guy wasn't a MAGA guy.
		And boy, were Trump supporters trying real hard to make sure everybody heard that.
		He's not going to apologize, but he is going to say, I had already issued a statement saying the shooting was horrible.
		So this was in no way intended to offend anybody and it was taken out of proportion.
		Then I think he's going to criticize Trump supporters for intentionally twisting his words for the purpose for political reasons.
		He's going to say, Trump Space did this.
		They knew what I meant.
		And they did this to try and get my show canceled.
		He's then going to attack the FCC and say they intentionally targeted the networks.
		I believe that's what it'll say, something to that effect.
		So it will be somewhat of, of course, the shooting is bad.
		But the reason why I think that maybe I'm wrong is because that's what every liberal, mainstream liberal is trying to do right now.
		Of course, Charlie Kirk shouldn't die, but he was evil.
		Right?
		So why wouldn't he do anything different?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Camel saw Colbert, how he got the king treatment.
		Oh, you're this martyr.
		You're, you know, you're stomped all over by this authoritarian government.
		Of course, Camel wants that.
		He's not going to fumble that.
		That's a once-in-a-week opportunity because this is going to last two days and then we won't hear about it.
		But yeah, he's not going to let that slip through his fingers.
		He has the chance to be the martyr.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We shouldn't be surprised also.
		He's a ghoul who was mocking the unvaccinated just a few years ago.
		I mean, this guy is a nightmare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm not going to speak for anybody else, but he did work for a network where his friend was the announcer, and the network fired his friend for not getting the vaccine.
		The funny thing about shout out to Dickie Barrett, Money Money, Boss Tones, and The Defiant.
		That's who he's with, The Defiant.
		He worked remote.
		He didn't go in the studio and they said, get vaccinated, but I work from home.
		And they're like, we don't care.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's absolutely crazy.
		Yeah.
		And then Jimmy Kimmel went on to show and said, here's an idea.
		If you're dying and you go to the hospital, vaccinated right this way, not vaccinated.
		Sorry, Weezy, there's the door.
		Wow.
		Basically saying, you should just die.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's ridiculous.
		And that was, you know, the callousness with the way that he treated people that, you know, didn't want to get vaccinated.
		I don't see how, I don't see why anyone should consider him a good faith actor at all.
		And, you know, so the fact that he's coming back, I think, is a big L. You know, Disney's in trouble.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They, all the past several Marvel movies have flopped miserably.
		They've really burned that franchise.
		Star Wars, wow.
		I mean, look, I can pull up Disney Plus and I can see everything wrong.
		They're just lighting all their IP on fire.
		It's terrible.
		There's actually this pretty big story that, you know, we don't really cover this stuff.
		Do you guys know that Disney actually just deleted, erased a bunch of shows and movies permanently, forever?
		You can never see them again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which ones?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can look up a list.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		But like, what was the motivation to delete all?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Save space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And because they were owned by Disney, they are not carried anywhere else.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's what they did with the moon files.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's rife.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Is NASA running Disney?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Dude, if Trump and RFK can truly, you know, find the cure for autism, the Star Wars franchise is in serious trouble.
		That's beyond news.
		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're not getting Tylenol ads anymore.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I can over say that much.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Star Wars has been dead for a long time.
		I haven't watched anything Star Wars in a long time.
		And I was when I was a kid, I was very into it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They don't make, yeah, they don't even make toys for kids anymore.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's for like millennials.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Toy lenny, actually.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's the correct term.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So apparently they do this.
		Have they done it before or not?
		I can't tell.
		All I know is.
		Okay, so they may periodically do this.
		This is actually kind of crazy.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		They're Disney Plus exclusive shows.
		It's kind of the weirdest thing because we've never actually had something like this happen.
		One example is Willow, the series based on the movie with who's the actor?
		Famous guy?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Series based on Willow, the movie.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Willow, like the.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm just going to say Peter Dinkley.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Warwick Davis.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Warwick.
unidentified		Okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He played.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Legendary actor.
		He's in everything.
		He was in the Willow movie.
		They did a show about it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, the crazy thing is, I'm sure there are, here's the thing: there are shows that are short-lived.
		You can find them.
		You can look up old tape archives of like a show that got seven episodes and then it just got pulled or whatever.
		You go, wow, didn't even know about that.
		It's crazy that we're in an era now where Disney's like, no one can stream this but us.
		And then they're like, let's delete it.
		And that's gone literally forever.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's like a Mandela effect actually happening.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's like the Shaq movie that didn't work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I learned.
		Okay, I'm going to say this real quick before we go to the next segment.
		But we now have proof that we're in a simulation.
		Okay.
		The Seahorse emoji.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The seahorse emoji?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There isn't one.
unidentified		What?
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen a seahorse emoji?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There's a Bill Gates pregnant one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, but have you ever seen the Seahorse emoji?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ask any AI.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ask any AI and see what happens.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		This is how they mess with us.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Is it going to print a Seahorse emoji?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, it's going to say, it's going to give you, they're all going to give you the exact time and date of when the Seahorse emoji was added to the Unicode base and then fail to produce it and then start having a heart attack and going schizo, saying, I don't understand why it won't appear.
		I know it exists.
		And when all of the AI programs say it does exist, it was made, but then you go online and it's not there.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I asked Grok and it just said they showed me the dolphin emoji.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they asked ChatGPT.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I just lied.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Chat GPT gave me unicorn and horse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then, but what did it say?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I told it print seahorse emoji.
		And then it said, are you looking for conk shell or seal?
		Here is the actual seahorse emoji and then it's fish unicorn and then correction.
		Oh, and then it goes correction.
		It's actually coral unicorn.
		And then it goes, the actual seahorse emoji is fish unicorn.
		Oh, it did spazz out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It spazes out.
		And then ask it when it was added, and all of the AIs will give you a comparable answer.
		In June of 2014, Unicode base updated with the Seahorse emoji, but Google it and they'll all tell you it never existed and you're crazy.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Has anyone checked if Seahorses are still out there in the world?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right now.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they've disappeared.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what is out in the world?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		A seahorse.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Like a horse?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see what you're doing, Tim.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't like it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Anyway, back to news, back to news.
		Here we go from the post-millennial.
		Actually, let's talk about that later.
		Sinclair canceled airing tribute to Charlie Kirk after ABC stations got violent threats.
		Postmill reporting, Sinclair Broadcast Group scrapped its plans to air a tribute to Charlie Kirk after multiple violent threats were directed at local ABC affiliate stations, according to a report from the New York Post.
		Last week, Sinclair was set to air the special on its affiliate stations, but abruptly announced it was polled and would be available on a YouTube link.
		The TV giant, which owns over 40 local ABC affiliate stations, was facing local threats directed at specific local ABC stations resulting from the ABC suspension.
		At the time of the polling the INAR special, Sinclair posted tonight, Sinclair will continue to air ABC Network programming as scheduled in the late night time period.
		The Charlie Kirk special will instead be available on the National News Desk YouTube channel, ensuring viewers can continue to enjoy the ABC programming.
		Now, in response to the statement from ABC that Jimmy Kimmel is coming back, they said this at 7:16.
		Beginning Tuesday night, Sinclair will be pre-empting Jimmy Kimmel Live across our ABC affiliate stations and replacing it with news programming.
		Discussions with ABC are ongoing as we evaluate the show's potential return.
		I think it's fairly obvious the motivation behind all of these things.
		Listen, Sinclair said they were polling Jimmy Kimmel and they were going to air a tribute to Charlie Kirk.
		The political alignment there is obvious.
		Leftists then threatened to murder them.
		And so they said, back the F up.
		Guys, I got to say, the idea that we are not, you ready for it?
unidentified		Heading for Shane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want to say the words?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Civil war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Shane said it, not me, so nobody gets a drink.
		When we are at a time when a network says a man was just murdered, it's one of the most substantive, meteoric political moments of our lifetimes.
		He was killed in cold blood in front of his wife and children at a political rally for trying to speak.
		And you can't air a tribute because the left is threatening to murder you.
		I think it's time for a cold wake-up call for regular people.
		We're not even two weeks from the murder of Charlie Kirk, again, in front of his family.
		And the left has already, I should say, left-aligned individuals have already shot up an ABC station and threatened death and terror against others.
		So it is fairly obvious.
		They are proud of what they do.
		They are celebrating what they do.
		And they are continuing to do it.
		The only response that makes sense, of course, is federal law enforcement.
		Donald Trump's FBI arrested the guy who shot up the ABC Sacramento station.
		He needs to use the full force of federal law enforcement to go after every single one of these leftists and liberals who are sending death threats, and they must go to prison.
		The left will respond by saying this proves Trump's a fascist and they will escalate their already terror campaigns.
		I don't see an off-ramp being possible.
		And I will stress it again because I wish this were not the case.
		I would very much rather put on the WPT poker tournaments, watch some pros, dish out some chips while I order Papa John's stuffed crust pizza.
		Shout out Doe Tole, man.
		I love those videos where he's like, I'm going to put chicken nuggets in the crust of my pizza.
		That is paradise.
		But we can't have that because a man who was left aligned murdered Charlie Kirk.
		Liberals, and I don't mean leftists, liberals celebrated this, lied about the shooter, defended it.
		When we got mad and said that is not okay, Disney said, we're going to take this guy off the air because he's refusing to apologize.
		Sinclair said, we'll put up a tribute for Charlie Kirk, a man who was murdered who did nothing wrong.
		And within a day, the death threats and terror threats against Sinclair were so great, they pulled the memorial.
		The left is not going to stop.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I've been thinking a lot about what we were talking about last week.
		You described a series of events that would look like a civil war, pockets of violence throughout the country.
		And I just can't get out of my head that we are in that already.
		That's what I was in 2020.
		Was that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Nashua shooting.
		The guy yelled, the children are going to say free Palestine and then shot and killed somebody and shot a bunch of other people.
		A guy drove up to an ABC affiliate, unloaded on it not even a week after Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
		And so what people need to understand is there's a civil strife period.
		And boy, we've been in that for a long time.
		Look at the George Floyd riots.
		That is civil strife.
		It doesn't always lead to civil war.
		I'm not saying we're in a civil war now, but what you will see, man, because I've been in countries under revolution.
		I've not been in actual war, but I was in Ukraine at the start of their civil war, which, you know, Russia invaded is a whole other thing.
		I was in Egypt during the second revolution, and I'm sitting in the hotel.
		I go to the lobby, and there's people eating that beef bacon because you can't eat pork in Egypt.
		So they're eating normal food, literally.
		It's terrifying.
		I'm in the lobby, and there's a guy typing on his computer while there are reports that the Egyptian military is arresting journalists outside the window.
		And these are big 20-foot-tall or 15-tall windows.
		People are shooting each other.
		They're using shotguns.
		So we don't, if it was bullets like 9 mil, we'd be on the ground.
		But they have these makeshift, breech-loading shotguns, handguns that they put a shell in and then go, and we're sitting there.
		And I look at this guy.
		Like, aren't you worried about it?
		It's like, no, they're not going to shoot at us.
		And then I was like, but the Egyptian military is now arresting journalists.
unidentified		He's like, pro-Muslim ones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Egypt, outside of the hotel, while people are doing this, there's a McDonald's where a guy was watching soccer.
		We drove to Haliapas, went to the mall.
		I had kebab, bought a cell phone to use for data transmission.
		And people care in their lives that nothing happens.
		And they're standing in the mall watching the news reports about the shootings, the violence, and the insanity.
		Because life goes on.
		There's videos out of Syria where during the Civil War, people are walking down the street with grocery bags and the buildings are all rubble.
		So it is terrifying that we are now in a country where, you know, I wake up, I grab breakfast, I come into work, turn the news on, and it's shooting, bomb threats, bomb threat at RFK Jr.'s house.
		Police were dispatched over a bomb threat.
		ABC affiliates shot up.
		TV stations in panic.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And that's what I'm saying.
		Like 2020, people are home.
		There's nurses twerking with body bags on TikTok.
		There's mayors handing out free cheeseburgers for vaccines.
		You know, there's chaz and chop, children being shot, innocent people being shot.
		David Dorn shot in the head, fires everywhere.
		It feels like that was the beginning of a sustained political violence.
		Maybe it was easy for some people to forget when we went back to normal, but it never really went back to normal because it feels like reality is just hanging on by a thread.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, and even outside of that, I mean, the United States, like the threshold Americans have for violence is actually quite high.
		I mean, for the longest time we've dealt with, I mean, you see headline after headline out of Chicago, you know, dozens killed over the weekend.
		And everyone's like, yeah, well, that's Chicago.
		Like our threshold for violence.
		I mean, you go to Netflix, the top shows are like murder mysteries and, you know, the behind the scenes of terrorist attacks.
		So we just live in a very violent society and everyone's just kind of used to it.
		So it's like only natural that the political theater would go kinetic because everything else in American life has gone kinetic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, the weird thing about that, you're right.
		There is a lot of violence in the United States, but it's in such pockets that like most people don't actually experience it.
		You know, it's like most of your people that, most people that are in the burbs, or even people that live in, you know, if you don't live around a certain neighborhood in a handful of cities, you're not going to, you're likely to not ever experience the kind of violence that you see in urban areas in the U.S. For the most part, it doesn't even touch people, but you're right, it does desensitize Americans.
		So that way it's like you hear this stuff, you hear this stuff, and it becomes, well, that's just the way that it is.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, people are desensitized because if you live in a, you know, like Memphis and you're in a suburb, you know the entire city is off limits.
		And it's like, well, why is that?
		Well, because it's exceptionally violent and we're just used to that.
		We just accept that, even though we're in the wealthiest, most powerful country in human history and violence, I mean, mass violence is just sort of like, it's not accepted.
		It's just, yeah, it's just part of life.
		It's part of American life.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		But then do you, something about the murder of Irina, I don't know how to pronounce her last name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Zarutska.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Zarutska and Charlie Kirk.
		Like that, I was talking earlier about this.
		That feels like it was the first mass trauma event for Gen Z. Like nobody remembers the Twin Towers falling.
		But that, like, sure, fine.
		We played Call of Duty when we were growing up, and maybe we don't like understand violence because of that.
		That feels like the first time I've ever been sensitized to, not desensitized, but sensitized to the reality of political violence in the U.S. Like, I think that there's more people now, or at least Zoomers, that feel as though there is like imminent threat of violence all of the time.
		And a lot of people in tech say something to the effect of like, well, it's actually just like Chinese bots or Russian bots sowing division.
		I don't think that there is as large a majority of like common sense, reasonable people in the middle that don't believe in violence.
		I think it's way more people on both sides, or at least on the left for sure, that like are very willing to commit violence and people on the right now that are very aware of the threat of political violence.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of been the left has always been more comfortable with violence.
		And they look at, it's my opinion, it's my opinion, they look at violence like a dial.
		And the right looks at it like a switch.
		Yeah, they look at it like a switch.
		So the right doesn't want to be violent.
		They don't think that violence is useful.
		They think that violence only means more violence.
		And so they do everything they can to avoid being violent.
		Whereas the left has no problem going out and riding.
		And you see it, you saw it in 2016 when Donald Trump was elected.
		Everyone, you know, there was a bunch of riots all over the place.
		They ripped up DC.
		You saw it obviously in 2020 when with the Summer 11, whatever, and what have you.
		And you see it regularly.
		Everyone knows that had a right-leaning person killed a prominent person on the left, there would have been riots.
		There would have been absolute chaos in a lot of places in the U.S.
		And this is completely obvious to everybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are now facing the greatest test of our civilization.
		That is the United States.
		This is Donald Trump designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization is putting this country to the test.
		And that is with this executive order: YouTube, X, Facebook, they're going to have to ban all of these people posting these images.
		It is now a violation of the law.
		Depending on what happens with this executive order, there's a question that will be asked.
		As the Krasensteins post that they are Antifa, as many prominent liberals post the flag and say they are Antifa, if social media companies say that is fine, that means a large portion of our domestic infrastructure, tech infrastructure, economy is telling the federal government they are illegitimate.
		Now, lawsuits with a stay, that would be interesting.
		But there's a very real question now: declaration of a terrorist organization.
		You cannot go on YouTube and post ISIS stuff.
		They'll ban you.
		And there's arguments that you could be charged for providing support to a terrorist organization.
		Here's what the White House executive order says: Section one: Antifa is a terrorist threat.
		Antifa is a militarist anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States government law enforcement authorities and our system of law.
		It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals.
		This campaign involves coordinated efforts to obstruct enforcement of federal laws through armed standoffs with law enforcement, organized riots, violent assaults, and immigration, and customs enforcement, and other law enforcement officers, and routine doxing of and other threats against political figures and activists.
		Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity.
		That employs elaborate means and mechanisms to shield the identities of its operatives, conceal its funding sources and operations in an effort to frustrate law enforcement and recruit additional members.
		Individuals associated with and acting on behalf of Antifa further coordinate with other organizations and entities for the purpose of spreading, fomenting, and advancing political violence and suppressing lawful political speech.
		This organized effort designed to achieve political objectives by coercion and intimidation is domestic terrorism.
		Because of the aforementioned pattern of political violence designed to suppress lawful political activity and obstruct the rule of law, I hereby designate Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.
		All relevant executive departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations, especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa or for which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa provided material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutory actions against those who fund such operations.
		They say general provisions.
		This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law.
		This order is not intended to and does not create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
		This order shall be published in the Federal Register, Donald J. Trump.
		Now, the reality of this is it actually does very little formally.
		Trump may now say that they're going to target people flying the Antifa symbol, citing that as probable cause that they may be associated with other organizations that are funding violent riots and things like this.
		So, RICO is what they're probably looking at for some of these NGOs that are providing various types of support for these acts of terror.
		Socially, Trump has said these are terrorists.
		Your move, YouTube.
		Will YouTube start taking down people who claim that they are?
		Will Elon Musk?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that the administration is going to actually have to apply a little bit of pressure.
		They're going to have to, you know, let these organizations know that this is not just for posturing.
		This is serious, that they're going to be looking to involve the DOJ.
		But I imagine that just a little bit of pressure from the feds, from the DOJ, and your ex, your Facebook, they'll fall in line pretty quickly because they were kissing Trump's ring as soon as Trump was likely to become elected.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, like, the problem here is obviously you can't, there's no legal mechanism for a domestic terrorist organization.
		You have foreign, obviously, but there's nothing for domestic.
		But what this can do is sort of reorient the IC towards Antifa.
		You're basically putting Antifa on the radar of like the FBI.
		So now the FBI can conduct surveillance and clandestine operations to collect information.
		You can, you know, now you can redirect everyone for civil suits.
		RICO obviously puts RICO on the table.
		So, I mean, yeah, like Tim's saying, I mean, unfortunately, there's not really a mechanism he's activating here, but this is more of a warning shot saying, hey, everyone, let's concentrate fire here on Antifa.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		But this came out today.
		Like, let's say that they're going to try to figure out, okay, it's either YouTube and X's move to implement something proactively, or somebody in the federal government, Stephen Miller or otherwise, has to figure out how to implement this with existing laws.
		Like the window of opportunity for doing something with a political mandate is almost over already, right?
		Like it should have been, if this was going to be implemented last week, that there was the warning shot.
		And then this week, there should actually be a full solution rolled out because what?
		In another week from now, you know, Jimmy Kimmel having been lionized, a bunch of the people that would have been canceled now having been lionized as well.
		The blowback is only going to become greater and greater as time goes on without implementation of anything to this effect.
		Like, I basically think it's this week or something else horrible has to happen before anybody's going to care.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you would have to get Congress on board to pass any sort of legislation so they could start freezing funds, basically treating them like a foreign because we have a lot of laws in the books for foreign terrorist organizations.
		But I mean, like you said, the mandate's kind of expiring.
		I don't know how much heat's on Congress to really get anything across the finish line here.
		That's what you would need.
		You need everybody on board.
		But, I mean, yeah, I mean, it is promising, I suppose, but I totally agree.
		This should have been a week ago, and this is the week we should have been implementing a lot of offensive options.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Who do we talk to about throwing the Krasnsteins and Alegator Alcatraz?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		El Salvador.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Somalia.
		I don't actually want them to go to jail for being silly little liberals.
		But there is a question about support for Antifa with Trump's declaration.
		And I do have questions about how you handle this.
		My argument would be from this point forward, all statements made would be bannable offenses.
		I have the rules here from Google.
		Featured policies, violent extremism.
		Content produced by or in support of terrorist organizations is prohibited on YouTube, including content that promotes terrorism by glorifying terroristic acts or inciting violence.
		Terrorist organizations are also prohibited from using YouTube for any purpose, including recruitment.
		So I have a video here.
		Oh, wow.
		Actually, I'm going to pull up this one instead because it's our good friend Hassan.
		Hassan's scared.
		Take a look at his video.
		This video is titled, I am an Anti-Fascist.
		He did not say I'm Antifa.
		Hassan Piker, you see him put on a MAGA hit?
		So there are a bunch of videos that I was going to pull up where they say, I am Antifa and things like this.
		Or they bring on people purported to be Antifa and it makes them look good.
		Hassan's scared.
		He's saying I'm an anti-fascist.
		That's a very specific term.
		Antifa is not the same thing.
		Now, the question is, will he fly that flag?
		Point being, I believe that with this declaration from Trump, YouTube must now delete all of these videos.
		They have to.
		If there's a lawsuit after the fact, perhaps they can return them.
		But for right now, this is the question.
		If YouTube does not delete them, that shows that our social order is formally bifurcated.
		The example being when the Biden DOJ falsely accused my show of being funded by Russians, for which there was never any evidence, and they closed it without ever presenting evidence, YouTube deleted all of the episodes off of YouTube.
		Only from that period.
		So here's the thing: the Culture War show existed before Tenet, during, and after.
		YouTube deleted every segment of that show, the clips we do, like 10-minute clips, from the period by which we had a licensing deal with Tenet Media.
		There was never any evidence provided.
		There was never any claim of supporting terrorism or anything like that.
		YouTube just deleted some 400 segments.
		In December of last year, the DOJ dropped the investigation, said they would no longer pursue it, presented no evidence.
		In April of this year, the DOJ completely closed the case.
		There's never anything there, nothing there.
		It was fake from the get-go.
		If YouTube is going to do that on behalf of the Biden DOJ, why would they not take down Antifa after a terrorist declaration?
		If they don't, and the presumption is they won't, I bet they will not do it.
		We already knew that our social order is fractured, totally bifurcated, but this is massive.
		Donald Trump, under legitimacy of government, is saying, this is terrorism.
		Here's the declaration.
		And YouTube has banned violent extremism.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I won't be surprised if they don't.
		I mean, look how all the tech companies coordinated against Alex Jones years ago for just answering different questions.
		And then what you're saying with Tenant.
		I have a feeling they're not going to do it because they're so aligned.
		I know they're trying to get in Trump's good races and they're having dinners with him, but I have no faith in these companies.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that the DOJ would be able to apply pressure?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Or do you think the DOJ wouldn't apply pressure and that's why they wouldn't do anything?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		They might, but I don't know if these companies are almost bigger than the government.
		They've been in charge and getting money from all the administrations for so long.
		They're huge.
		They're their own country to some degree with their own reality.
		So I don't know if pressure will do it.
		But, you know, Biden did pressure them, but it's because they were so aligned.
		So I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		See, I mean, I'm not sure exactly how far Trump's willing to go, but I do think that just, you know, DOJ sending a letter, like that is, that makes people, you know, wake up and say, oh, this might actually land me in a congressional hearing.
		might actually have DOJs have sent people out to start an investigation.
		And no company wants that.
		No matter how big the company is, the federal government can make their lives absolutely terrible.
		They can make it difficult to do, you know, to do day-to-day business.
		I don't think that the influence of just the DOJ saying, hey, we want to see some results here.
		This is a law.
		This is actually enforceable.
		So you need to do something and you need to prove that you're actually going to do this.
		Or we're going to look at you for material support for terrorism.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it would be interesting to see the difference because they're going to outwardly say that, the DOJ, to the companies allegedly.
		Meanwhile, the Biden administration used the back door to strong arm Zuckerberg to censor all these people, among other platforms.
		And they did it.
		So it'd be interesting to see the difference.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So what are you saying?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Are you saying that because you believe they're mostly politically aligned with the left, you think that they would go ahead and say, well, we'll talk to the DOJ and we'll make it look like we're doing it, but we won't actually.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Because I didn't really buy their rebranding into being MAGA this go-around.
		I think it's just a front.
		Well, they're still left aligned.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		And there's this political reality, right?
		Like, how did Trump win?
		A variety of ways, but in no small part because of like the David Sachs fundraiser where he got tech bought into donating to the campaign and then Elon's participation in Pennsylvania, right?
		So if the DOG, if the DOJ were to pressure tech, right, then this unlikely alliance that was instrumental in the fundraising for all of the GOP probably instantaneously implodes.
		And then like the next election, the midterms, whatever, that, that donor base is gone.
		And then what's the coalition left, right?
		Like it's this very strange synthesis between Silicon Valley and like the traditional GOP that exists now.
		And that might disincentivize them for doing anything.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't trust them.
		I don't trust Altman.
		I don't trust Zuckerberg.
		A lot of these people, the Hoffmans, a lot of the people who were at Project Stargate, because just a few years ago, they were censoring me and my friends off of platforms for saying things they didn't believe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want to know what's funny, guys, just real quick as an aside.
		Do you guys remember how last week I said that I believe that there were coded weights placed on this channel and others preventing them?
		Literally like a day after I said that, I started getting notifications again.
		So I have an alert set up for my YouTube channels.
		When there's mention made of Timcast or any Timcast affiliated brand, I have Google alerts for it.
		These YouTube videos will never appear.
		It means they weren't being recommended.
		Probably about a day after I said there are probably legacy censorship weights attached to these channels.
		The next day I get an email with a Google alert showing 10 different recommendations my videos were appearing in.
unidentified		Yep.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Someone's listening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was also a few years ago, you could not Google search any of my channels.
		And what would come up instead was playlists about my channels.
		And if you actually typed in the full title of one of my videos, you would not actually get the video.
		I'll give you Facebook instead.
		And then I mentioned it on IRL.
		And literally during the show, people are like, holy crap, it's gone.
		I just searched for it.
		First, it wasn't there.
		I refreshed and now it's back.
		And you can now search for my channel.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Because for years, yeah, you type Timcast in YouTube and it was nothing.
		Now it has changed.
		I noticed that recently.
		So that's a good sign, I guess.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will say one thing that's very strange is without naming any of these channels, there are some channels that I searched for on the liberal side and they're not coming up.
		Indeed, I wonder if it's a similar weight placed on a lot of political channels.
		Liberal or conservative, didn't matter.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But therein lies the big question with this designation, will our social order react as though this is legitimate or illegitimate?
		And if they react as though it's illegitimate and do not respond the way they're supposed to respond, what's Trump going to do?
		This is the fear, right?
		So I was talking with Will Chamberlain a while ago about why the Supreme Court is unwilling.
		This was specifically the Texas v.
		Pennsylvania case in 2020.
		And only Alito and Thomas were willing to actually take up the case.
		It's state versus state, so that's called original jurisdiction.
		And Texas was challenging Pennsylvania's unilateral altering of their election laws.
		Say it's unconstitutional.
		And if they're violating their rules, this election is unfair.
		The other five justices refused to take it up.
		I asked Will, why wouldn't they do it?
		And he said, the Supreme Court is concerned about taking up cases that require enforcement ability that they don't have.
		Because if people realize that the Supreme Court doesn't actually have the ability to enforce their rulings, it's over for the Supreme Court.
		So typically they take up things where it gets sent back to the states to enforce at their level.
		But if they handle something state versus state and Pennsylvania says, screw yourself, the Supreme Court has no force, no law enforcement, no military apparatus.
		They can't do anything about it.
		The issue here with Trump, and a lot of people are saying Trump should do this, Trump should do that.
		There's a reason why Trump is going slow.
		If Trump got into office and the first thing he did was announce he was going to arrest Democrats, it wouldn't work.
		Many of these individuals in law enforcement would be like, I don't know, man, like this is crazy.
		I'm not going to do it.
		And then Trump would be shown to be the emperor with no clothes.
		Nothing would happen, and he'd be impotent forever.
		That's why many people have been saying he's going slow about it.
		He needs to build it up to this point where there are various criminal charges and the arrest of these individuals seem to be more commonplace, like Letitia James over her mortgage fraud stuff.
		This is a step off the cliff.
		Donald Trump designating Antifa a terrorist organization is now putting pressure on all social media, television, big tech, et cetera.
		Emails now have to be turned over.
		So I already searched.
		There's a ton of social media accounts across the board that are dedicated Antifa accounts posting Antifa propaganda.
		All their DMs need to be turned over, not a law enforcement.
		Is Elon going to do that?
		Is he going to say that all these Antifa accounts now, people flying the flag to Krasensteins?
		You don't got to arrest the Krasensteins or put them in jail or ban them.
		The designation happened now.
		But certainly, wouldn't he have to turn over their communications as terrorists?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What would be the benefit for him not doing it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If he doesn't do it, it's not just about Elon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's about what would the benefit be for him to not do it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like if Trump or the DOJ is like, look, we know there are a bunch of Antifa affiliated accounts.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Send us their logs, blah, blah, blah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so it's not so, I think that question is kind of weird.
		There is a detriment to doing it.
		The benefit would be nothing changes for him in terms of the structure of his business.
		The fear would be that liberals will dump the platform more than they already have.
		But then the other concern is if he doesn't do it, he's in violation of Trump.
		He just sat down with the man and shook his hand.
		Trump's saying they're terrorists.
		Yeah, he's got, okay, Trump has made this declaration.
		Not by all means.
		They will sue.
		I imagine someone's going to sue.
		But here's the funny thing.
		You know why they can't?
		You know why you can't do anything about it?
		Antifa is not an organization.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're not, if he's like, hey, we want the logs for Rose City, Antifa, there are people that can.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, Rose City can file a lawsuit as an organization.
		But the general distinction, when he declares Antifa as a terrorist organization, they have already made the argument there is no representative Antifa.
		They're in a weaken position.
		If these big tech companies and just any company, if a motel, if they refuse to turn over this information, not so much, but the big tech is the big important one because if YouTube keeps up these Antifa videos, if Instagram keeps up these accounts, they're outright saying Trump's authority doesn't mean anything.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think Elon's problem will be determining who actually he should turn over for the DMs because it could just be trolls putting up a flag who have no part of anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the government's going to make a request and say, We're looking for these accounts, and Elon can choose to fight or not fight it.
		The thing is, declaring Antifa terror organization, there's no one who has standing in court.
		Rose City Antifa, being one of the most notorious named brands of Antifa, are a specific group.
		They might be able to sue and argue that as an Antifa flag bearer, they are lumped into this.
		Sure.
		We'll see.
		The ACLU may try and take this up.
		In the meantime, pending any kind of injunction, which, of course, there's already been a stay on these universal injunctions.
		This is going to get very, very interesting.
		The pressure now put on these big tech platforms is they have to just comply.
		I'll tell you this.
		You know what I want to see?
		If YouTube does not take down these accounts, I think Trump should go make some arrests.
		Or I think because it's a corporation, there should be like civil fines and forced testimony and things like that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Arrest who.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the question, right?
		When it comes to a corporation, I suppose it goes down to the CEO and the CEO is going to be like, look, I don't even handle that.
		I don't even know who's involved in that.
		That's why it's difficult to arrest someone over something like this.
		Typically, you find the company and force it into compliance, which I think makes the most sense.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Google has played ball like in Georgia with the Stop Cop City thing.
		That was like 2023.
		Georgia has a specific state law for terrorism, domestic terrorism, and that's what they use to source emails and data from Google.
		And they were going after like organizers, so people that were just providing funding and that sort of thing.
		So, I mean, at the state level, there is precedent that Google will play ball if they're, if they're, if you're, you know, using a mechanism of law that's on the books, Trump has to find that.
		That's the problem.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't think that the I don't think that there are so many CEOs that are really ideologically committed to leftism, right?
		Like there are some people, particularly middle management people and people that work at these companies that are committed, but the people that are higher ups, the people that actually have something to really lose if they don't comply with the DOJ, I don't know that they're really committed to Antifa.
		I'm sure there are a handful of them that are.
		But like, I don't think Zuckerberg is committed to an ideology.
		I don't think that he's a leftist.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he's a human.
unidentified		I think he's a human.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Augustus.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Don't even start.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		He's starting to be the tech leaders on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He has a magical ability to derail conversations with his truth.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Saying he's a reptile who hates Americans and freedom.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, when he was coming up, he was fairly libertarian.
		And his argument that that's what he should have been doing, I do think that that's honest.
		Like I said, when the Biden DOJ was making, you know, was making phone calls, that puts a lot of pressure on you.
		You know, these companies, they have to worry about all of the immense power that the federal government has.
		So I don't think that he would choose.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He's lied under testimony.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that he would choose to do things for one administration and not for another on an ideological basis.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he's beholden to politics.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think he's beholden to his power and his evil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Money, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And he's lied under testimony about the algorithm harming little girls, you know, like the algorithm picking up on a fellow.
		If a young girl deletes a selfie, then the algorithm knows she must be sad.
		So we should sell her something.
		This is like evil stuff.
		And that's just a little part of the evil stuff.
		Why I think he's inhuman.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I mean, I don't, I'm not trying to convince you that he's not.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because I know that's not.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm just by saying that, I'm saying that he's not beholden to politics.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And I agree with you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the whole point that I'm making.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He's beholden to something bigger.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like it would be if there's anybody that can take power away from him, if there's any organization that can, it would be the federal government because they actually do have the ability to say, all right, we're going to start investigating you.
		We're going to put a stop to this.
		We're going to put a stop to this.
		We're going to have all these indictments or these investigations.
		It's going to make his life a nightmare.
		That's the reason why he's going to be like, all right, I'm going to play ball.
		Not because he's a good guy, not because he's not a reptile or whatever, but because he doesn't want to have to deal with all of the bad things that come along with the federal, with not complying with the federal government.
		What does he care if there's a handful of users that are that are politically left that have commit have a commitment to their ideology?
		What does he care if they get it wrapped up?
		He's talking about the entire planet, right?
		Like he's looking to have his goals are far bigger than just what Antifa is after.
		So he would turn them over.
		And it's my opinion that he would turn them over in an instant, whether or not he's a good guy.
		He doesn't have to be a good guy to do that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Precedence is there.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He'll do it because he did it already.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to pull up the story from the post-millennial.
		The first thing I want to say is: Don Lemon, he's melting down over that Charlie Kirk Memorial.
		A lot of liberals are.
		The first thing I want to say is the Charlie Kirk Memorial is one of the greatest days in the history of this country.
		It's estimated over 100 million people watch, and that was just in the first day.
		The full calculation isn't out yet.
		Powerful speeches to honor a man whose life was cut short, a good man who fought for making this country better, for unity.
		And it was a lot of people coming together.
		It was people waking up, estimates of, I think, 200,000 people being there in person.
		The response from people like Don Lemon and the left was to call it a Nazi rally.
		They are now upping the ante.
		Prominent liberals are doubling down, saying that Charlie Kirk should have been in jail even.
		This one woman, who I will not give her the credit of saying her name, says that for his speech, Charlie should be in jail.
		No joke.
		A prominent liberal.
		All right, I'll say it, Rebecca Jones.
		She tweeted that Charlie should have been in jail for a speech.
		Simultaneously, while liberals are lamenting Jimmy Kimmel's firing, he's back, I guess.
		They're saying, Jimmy Kimmel's fired our free speech, but Charlie should be in jail.
		That's what they're saying.
		The escalation that we have seen in the past two weeks is very worrying.
		Okay, let me just spell it out.
		This event was put on nine days, nine days, I believe it said it was after the death of Charlie Kirk, the murder, the assassination.
		He was killed in cold blood by a guy who, according to the evidence, said you couldn't negotiate with Charlie's hate.
		The left celebrated.
		They said nobody would care about Charlie Kirk.
		They panicked, tried blaming Groipers.
		They are now shooting up ABC stations, threatening more ABC stations with terror because of the firing of Jimmy Kimmel, because Jimmy Kimmel lied about who the shooter was.
		And they're calling the funeral for Charlie Kirk an innocent man who did nothing wrong, who was murdered in cold blood.
		They're calling it a Nazi rally.
		It's like three years just happened in a week.
		Maybe everybody was politically blue-bald from August, bored.
		And so then it just kicked off a month later in an insane way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They were calling the Madison Square Garden rally that Trump did with Henchcliffe before the election.
		They were calling it Nazis.
		Anytime you get enough conservatives together, they're going to be like, Nazis, they're doing a Nazi rally.
		I mean, it's in one ear and out the other nowadays.
		You know, there's no substance to what they're saying.
		There was someone that was saying, oh, look, Stephen Miller, the Jew, sounded just like gobbles on stage talking.
		Yeah, right.
		I mean, it's just, it's all the same, same regurgitated garbage because they don't have, you know, they don't have anything worse to compare them to.
		And they're all histrionic, mostly women.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, where they were like, they use AI to translate Stephen Miller's speech into German.
		And they're like, this is so scary.
		Because they were just World War II brain.
		Like, that's all they can ever point back to.
		Because, like you said, Historon.
		So it's just, I mean, him saying it was a religious, it was religious nationalism on full display.
		Like, what are you trying to invoke there, Don?
		Are you trying to get more people hurt?
		Because that's like that's language that's going to cause people to be violently angry.
		It's absurd.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people that are talking about, oh, you know, it's Christian nationalism, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And it's like, man, you tried that before the election, and he was still elected.
		Right.
		So like this whole like Christian nationalism and this cool Christian nationalism stuff, it only scares leftists.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And he's not saying Christian nationalism like what Stephen Wolf, Christian Nationalism.
		He's saying religious nationalism.
		He's trying to invoke like Al-Qaeda.
		That's what he's trying to do there.
		It's very obvious.
		He's trying to terrify you.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Handmaid's Tale.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Handmaid's Tale.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is not, I mean, again, I even saw people talking about Project 2025 and how this is actually the fruition of Project 2025.
		I mean, it's all just, it's all just scare tactics to try to get their side worked up.
		And again, the conservatives don't give them, you know, more than, they don't give them any more credibility than just to give them crap on X, right?
		That's it.
		But they want to continue to turn the temperature up, even though as they swear up and down that what Donald Trump said is not turning the temperature down, it's like, oh, he's inflaming things, blah, blah, blah.
		Literally, they spend, you know, all day long and all of the talking heads on the left and all of these people that even up to and including people like AOC, fascists.
		They're still, they're fascist.
		Even after Charlie Kirk was murdered, they're like lying about what Charlie Kirk said, swearing up and down that it's a Nazi rally, swearing up and down that it's Christian nationalism, that they're just going to make everybody, all women are going to have to wear the red dress and the bonnet and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, which is all ridiculous, which most of the women on the left.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they should.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of the women on the left, they're saying that it's a terrible idea, but they're thirsty for it.
		You know, they're just like, God, please pay attention to me.
		But that's the thing.
		It's all just histrionics trying to get people riled up in a time, a week after there was just a political murder.
		There's a guy going and shooting up ABC.
		There was a guy in New Hampshire that killed someone and shot up a wedding because, and he's hollering free Palestine.
		And that's, you know, leftist garbage.
		It's all the same, the same try to get people as worked up as possible.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Don Lemon's just so desperate?
		Because the amazing thing here is millions of people serve the gospel.
		You know, like everyone's hearing about Christ now.
		It's huge.
		And my favorite thing that Andrew Colvett tweeted recently was like he didn't realize what they were doing with these tents across the campuses.
		It was a revival, right?
		It was like, yeah, he was talking and it was free speech and that's great.
		But above that, it was like an actual tent revival.
		Charlie went to preach.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why I talk about the importance of community all the time and why a lot of the efforts that we have outside of the show is trying to make ways in which people can connect like the Discord server.
		Guys, Mamba Collectibles in Martinsburg, it's open.
		The building is finally open.
unidentified		Sick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know the coffee shop's not open yet.
		So maybe like once he opened, I should have announced that you guys can go play cards and hang out.
		And we're going to be heading over there and working on setting up this show for game playing with you and all that stuff.
		The reason is, standing next to somebody and making that connection is the most important thing.
		And church used to do that.
		Every week, everyone in the town would gather together and they would see their neighbors and friends and they would share ideas.
		And in many instances, they'd a potluck.
		The church I went to growing up, they'd have a potluck afterwards.
		That's why me and my friends would go to church.
		I got to be honest, when I was like 10, my friends were like, you want to go to church?
		No, but they have free food.
		So we would.
		For real.
		I mean, and it was awesome.
		It's like mac and cheese and pie.
		But the parents, the older people there were like, we got them.
		You know, like they tricked us and like, I guess so.
		We'd be there by ourselves when we were young.
		That largely started going away and has still gone away.
		That's why I was talking about how I wanted to do that Saturday morning cartoons thing where parents come bring your kids, hang out in the early morning on Saturday to hang out.
		So it doesn't interfere with church, but that community can come together for those that don't go to church.
		Charlie was doing that.
		He was creating spaces where people were all crowding around.
		And you know what that showed?
		It showed the people on those campuses, those young men, there were a ton of other people that agreed with him.
		I guarantee you, nobody would take this bet against me.
		Charlie probably made a pair of best friends every single time he went to a campus because there'd be 50, 100, 200 people.
		The crowds were getting huge.
		And some dude would be like, yeah, but what about this one?
		What about that?
		Some guy would hear that and be like, bro, I heard what you were saying.
		Dude, exactly.
		That's what I've been saying.
		And then they were like, yeah, let's talk.
		Charlie was building community.
		And when they took his life away, he proved it.
		You know what's really crazy?
		I don't think it's crazy that it took that in nine days they set this event up.
		Turning point USA is based in Arizona.
		And with all due respect, it's a tremendous effort, but they're based in Arizona.
		They own the stage and all of this stuff already.
		It's in storage because they do AmFest every year.
		So they needed only find the labor and pay them a lot of money because you're going to last minute pay to be like, hey, you know the stage setup we do for Section C or whatever?
		We're going to bring that into the stadium, license the stadium, extenuating circumstances, probably moved it very quickly.
		I'll tell you what the most amazing thing is, is that regular people from across this country with a week's notice flew out and drove out to Arizona.
		And they're now, I'm seeing now that TPUSA is saying they registered around 280,000 unique devices, indicating that's how many people were at that event physically.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To get people to be like, I will take off work and I will travel for this shows you the community that Charlie had built and continues to grow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this, it just skyrocketed.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
		It crushes all the desperate talk from the left.
		I mean, I know there's stuff we got to worry about and they're violent and they're brain dead, but this was so beautiful.
		You know, Erica's speech was great.
		That was a very strong speech.
		And yeah, I mean, we've been to Amfest.
		Their productions are wild.
		So I wasn't very surprised that they could pull this off that quickly.
		But it's a lot of people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		You know, it's really funny too is the conspiracy theories.
		None of them make sense.
		Don't get me wrong.
		I think the official story is a little, there's a lot to be questioned in it as well.
		But there are people that are saying a couple of things like, there's no way you can pull off an event like this in nine days.
		That's not true.
		Let me just say it again.
		All of the materials for this are sitting in the back of trucks owned by TPUSA just in storage.
		And they literally like, can we get some drivers and have those trucks drop it all off?
		Yeah.
		And the crews that do the construction for these events, did you see the video of them doing security?
		There's like 300 guys in hard hats and vests pulling the fences up.
		They got the people to do it.
		It was amazing.
		So when they're like, there's no way you can do it.
		There's videos of them doing it.
		And I think the most offensive one I've saw some people tweeting about it was that they were criticizing Erica for the way she was quote unquote performing.
		They were saying it appears too scripted.
		And that criticism is fine.
		It's that when they claim that it proves that either Charlie's not dead or someone else killed him is where I think it gets offensive.
		My response to this is the woman just lost her husband in front of her.
		And now you're expecting her to perform in front of 100 million people, which she's never done before.
		And so the fact that she was able to do it in any capacity was incredible.
		And to me, looks exactly as what I'd expect it to be.
		Like, you know, yes, she's never done this before.
		Now you're asking her to go do it.
		What do you think it's going to look like?
		Brad Pitt giving an Oscar worthy performance or something?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think there's legitimate questions to have about everything that went on, not with this in particular, but the assassination.
		But like you see X flooded, it's like saturated with just easily debunked things.
		Like you saw people saying she was skewing the like the Satan hand thing.
		And I was like, no, it's not that.
		Like she wasn't doing that.
		It was like a, I love you, you know, hand gesture.
		But they do that.
		I don't know if that's on purpose or not.
		You know, I do think there's bad actors out there who want to control the narrative for their own gain, whether it's monetized Twitter or whatnot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's crazy that like imagine she's she's not the person who built TPUSA Charlie Kirk is.
		She's got a car on that legacy.
		She, I can't imagine watching what she saw with Charlie dying.
		And then literally within 24 hours, they probably were like, you have to stop.
		You have to calm down.
		You have to push that aside because there are millions of people who need a leader right now.
		And I can't believe she was able to do it.
		But understand what that means for someone.
		It means they're going to tell you to stop emoting because if your natural emotive state is fear, panic, and despair, you will not convince people.
		They will be scared.
		And so I think, with all due respect, she probably had a script.
		They helped her write it.
		She doesn't do this professionally.
		And she delivered it to the best of her abilities, trying to convey her feelings.
		And when people say it feels fake and scripted, I'm like, yeah, probably because her real emotions were not like strength and endurance.
		It was probably fear and despair.
		And if she actually let that all out, she probably wouldn't have read that statement at all and probably wouldn't have even gone on the stage.
		But it's just remarkable that people want, what's crazy to me is I met a guy, actually met a couple of people over the past week who came up and asked me and they were like, hey, did he really die?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I got that too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You got that too?
		I'm like, yeah, my friends who were like work with them in Arizona are calling crying.
		And I was like, look, man.
		But I think the crazy thing is for some of these conspiracy theories, it's really hard to believe Charlie is gone.
		Yeah.
		It's like it doesn't make sense.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The image shouldn't exist of him, of that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like it just doesn't feel like this, that's reality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is, it is, I'll tell you this, man.
		I have read a lot of stories about people dying.
		And when they die, I'm like, oh, man, geez, you know, rest in peace.
		Ozzy Osborne, when he died, I was like, wow, he died.
		Every day when I see a story about Charlie, it's like my brain is telling me he can't have died.
		How could he have died?
		And it's like, you know, we all saw the video, man.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's so surreal.
		Just like someone you've stood with.
		And then the whole world has to see that.
		Argued with.
		Right?
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you guys have argued.
		I didn't get that, but like, it's a very surreal thing.
		And I get that it just doesn't compute, you know?
		It still doesn't really make sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what I was saying on X.
		I got a lot of messages from prominent personalities of various background.
		They texted me and, you know, I wish they would speak more publicly, but there were a lot of like former liberal, like default liberal prominent personalities who have spoken out since Charlie was killed.
		But the point that I make, because I'm seeing all of these people say, like, we have to protect the left's right to free speech.
unidentified		And defending the left from getting fired isn't defending the left at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's defending free speech.
		And I'm like, no, you're literally offering that left as a defense to get his job back.
		I'm not saying I understand your argument about free speech.
		I made the point that there are these conservatives, people on the right, who knew of Charlie.
		And knowing of Charlie is very different from knowing Charlie.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I don't mean to be disrespectful to those that didn't actually know him who are actually taking this seriously, but there are some people I feel like aren't taking it seriously.
		I've covered the news for a very, very long time.
		I have spoken with friends about major news events, a coup attempt in Turkey.
		Talking to my friends and being like, wow, did you see the fighter jet opening fire on the bridge?
		I mean, Erdogan is looping back, talking about this abstract, far away thing.
		And then when Charlie is murdered, that's not the conversation.
		The conversation is, they killed Charlie.
		That's not me talking about the news anymore.
		That's me talking about my life and my world being actually subjected to the vile psychopath leftist person.
		Again, I'm not trying to say that in any way I am more worthy of pain and suffering.
		No, I'm saying people who actually knew, worked with Charlie and hung out with him and people who knew him way, way better than I did.
		They are not saying, did you hear the report?
		Charlie Kirk got assassinated.
		They're crying and being like, bro, they killed my brother.
		That feeling, when you then watch these liberals dance on his grave and justify his killing, it is the weirdest thing in the world to me.
		I've never experienced that.
		And again, I'll stress, many people who knew him substantially better than I never experienced it.
		It's one thing when they try to kill Trump and then they celebrated it.
		I don't know Trump.
		I mean, I met him a couple of times and interviewed him.
		He's just a guy.
		He's on the news to me.
		He's a man that I talk about.
		Charlie is a guy that he's talked with my wife and about our kids.
		And like he's texted me.
		I was texting, like, I'm not going to give him a private details.
		He's texted me words of encouragement.
		I talked to him about doing work in some of the ways that he has done it at these universities.
		And what, you know, I made this tweet saying, I will not tolerate, I will not defend leftists who are saying that they will celebrate this, that it is a good thing.
		And if they lose their jobs, I will not come to their defense.
		And there are conservatives that are coming out and they're saying, I will.
		And I'm like, they are smearing Charlie Kirk's good name to justify his murder.
		That's literally the only reason.
		Now, there are some stupid people who don't know better.
		I know some of them.
		I'm not mean to them.
		I was talking to a guy over the weekend who was like, well, that guy was racist.
		And I was like, that's not correct.
		I was like, not only do I know for a fact he was not, he's a friend of mine.
		He was not racist.
		He spoke out against racists and he even kicked racists out of his conventions.
		So, you know, these smears, they're not okay.
		And then there are times like, oh, well, I don't know.
		I've never actually watched him.
		I'm like, okay, that's fine.
		But these people who are intentionally lying about him and spreading these lies, I'm not going to come to their defense and they get fired.
		These woke right guys, I call them, they do everything they can to defend the woke left when they seek to kill us and justify this murder.
		And I won't, I'm not going to abide it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're gleeful demons.
		It's really interesting to watch people cheer for someone's death.
		I mean, again, not so shocking after 2020 with what happened, but when it's someone that you knew to some degree and it's a father, a husband, like that, and then for them to cheer and celebrate, it's disgusting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do have to jump to this massive story, ladies and gentlemen.
		CNN's got the report.
		Trump links autism to acetaminophen use during pregnancy, despite decades of evidence.
		It's safe.
		I love that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Trump did it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When the doctors come out and say there's a new study linking autism to acetaminophen use during pregnancy, my favorite moment of this conference was when Donald Trump said, acidamina, we're going to have to figure out how do you say that one.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That was good, but also when he did that at RFK Jr., he was like, he's being more comfortable.
		I'm just going to say it.
		You know, I think this is bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't take Tylenol.
		Trump has never had to say the word acetaminophen.
		That's crazy to me.
		Like, I don't know.
		Like, I go to it.
		We went to the doctor, like, I just had a baby, and they're talking to us about ibuprofen, acetaminophen, aka Tylenol.
		And Trump's like, what's this word?
		I do not know.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		It's because he's impervious to pain.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Real.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's hilarious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's read this.
		And then.
		I have a funny tweet for you.
		Let's see how the left is responding to this.
		We already see how they're responding.
		But I'll pull up some more here because there are studies backing this claim up that I want to pull up Mario Noffel because he's got a tweet about this.
		They say Trump announced Monday that the U.S. FDA will be notifying physicians the use of acetaminophen during pregnancy can be associated with the very increased risk of autism.
		They are strongly recommending that women limit Tylenol use during pregnancy unless medically necessary, such as to treat fever if you can't tough it out.
		So let me see if I can, there was this tweet that I saw.
		Here we go.
		We've got this post from Mario Noffel.
		He says, Trump's Tylenol warning backed by Harvard and Johns Hopkins research.
		He says, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Columbia, and Mount Sinai all say the same thing, and they've got the peer-reviewed studies.
		Harvard School of Public Health found that acetaminophen exposure increases risk for both autism and ADHD.
		Johns Hopkins discovered babies with the most acetaminophen in their cord blood were nearly three times more likely to be diagnosed with autism.
		Even Mount Sinai called the connection to neurodevelopmental disorders strong enough to warrant warnings for expectant mothers.
		Now the FDA finally agrees, saying the data is too strong to ignore and will move forward with label changes and doctor alerts.
		Tylenol probably did contribute to autism, however hard it may be to believe that such a thing could fly under the radar and cause a generational epidemic of autism that went unchallenged for decades.
		Here you go.
		Shannon Watts.
		Shannon R. Watts.
		Oh, she has me blocked, right?
		Yeah, she does.
		She says, many studies suggest a major cause of autism is the mutated sperm of elderly fathers.
		But in a centuries-old tradition, see everything from schizophrenia to eating disorders, men have decided to blame women for taking Tylenol while pregnant, despite no valid supporting studies, except for, of course, Mount Sinai, Harvard, Columbia, John Hopkins, et cetera.
		Except, you know, the science.
		Keep this lady away from hospitals.
		That's their response.
		Men just hate women.
		What?
		They're saying Tylenol.
		Did a woman invent Tylenol?
		Is that it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		She's a punishing imbecile.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So it was funny, too, because Trump also in the interview said he blamed vaccines.
		You saw that?
unidentified		Oh, I saw it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was like, you know, there's a lot of groups that don't take vaccines and have no autism.
		And then RFK's like, like the Amish.
		And he's like, like the Amish.
		And I'm just sitting there laughing, being like, this is not a press conference about vaccines, Donald Trump.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He turned it into a dog.
		He talked about the, you know, stabbing your kid with a hep B, which we haven't done.
		You know, we have three kids.
		Our oldest is nine.
		We don't do that.
		We got kicked out of a lot of practices for not doing it.
		And it was vindicating to see that today.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What was Trump's quote on the Amish and ADHD?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's like, they just don't even know what it is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		RFK didn't know what to say.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They don't get distracted.
		They're like the most locked in group on planet Earth.
		They're just building like barns all the time.
		Like they don't even, they don't have time to get distracted.
		They have barns to build.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're amazing.
		And they helped him win Pennsylvania.
		They showed up.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They did.
		And they did because the D, I think it was the FDA came down on them about their milk.
		We got raided.
		The FDA came out and came down.
		And like Scott Pressler was running right behind the FDA.
		He's like, would you guys like to sign up and register to vote?
		And they were like, hell yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I wish I could remember who tweeted it on the day after the election, but they basically said when the Amish showed up to vote, it was like in Lord of the Rings when the trees got up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The ants are coming.
		But it's true.
		For the most part, there's still a lot of Americans that just want to be left alone.
		They just want to live their lives.
		They don't want to have to be involved in politics.
		And they tend to be more conservative because people that are on the left tend to be activist types.
		They tend to feel like, oh, we've got to make all these changes and we've got to do all this stuff because we can perfect society if we just do a little bit around the edges or what have you.
		But when you have the government stick their nose into their lives, into people's lives, you activate people and say, okay, well, I guess I have to.
		I mean, back in the day, back in the 90s, Microsoft had zero lawyers, right?
		And then the Fed started looking at them for antitrust stuff because everybody had Microsoft products.
		They were just making the best stuff out there.
		And so everyone was buying Microsoft stuff.
		And the Fed started to stick their nose in and say, well, what's going on over here?
		So they had to hire a boatload of lawyers.
		Now they have more lobbyists than just about any other company out there, or they have among the top numbers of lobbyists.
		And it's because the federal government has stuck their nose in.
		If you have resources or you have the ability to influence the government and the government is coming after you, you're going to exercise that ability, whether it be at the ballot box like the Amish did or at the, you know, at the with lobbyists like Microsoft did.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		So you're defending Bill Gates right now?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		You think positive Bill Gates arc was one where Microsoft remained a trust without hiring all their lawyers?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So I don't think that the government should have been sticking their nose into any company.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I think the government should basically just F off and you think he wouldn't have drank the P water if the government hadn't messed with his stuff in the 90s?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what you're talking about with the people.
unidentified		You know about this?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		You don't know about this?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad that I don't.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I just figured he drinks P water all the time.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		His classic Gates Foundation thing, he recycled a bunch of P water to prove that Africa could be run more sustainably or something.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There's a video of this.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's just very good.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, where he basically they purified it, right?
unidentified		Okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You went war with him because he wants to block the sun and you want to have not a big block in the sun guy.
		Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
		You're at least against that.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		We do not.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		No geoengineering.
unidentified		No.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Cloud seeding is another issue, which I wish we can get into.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But Bill Gates is a no.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Geoengineering, big no.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Bill Gates is a no?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go with Bill Gates as a no.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Lots of start.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We found some common ground.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
		I can't believe that just happened.
		That was like the.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, well, my question is: how do you reconcile cloud seeding with the fact that there's not even any clouds?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's clouds.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		He just keeps mutilating them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, where are that coming from?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Cultivating.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're not cultivating.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're destroying God's beauty.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		You ever heard of air soul invigoration of convection, bro?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Tell me about it, bro.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		We make them bigger, the clouds.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't like it.
		You like small clouds.
		I think we should leave it alone.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Do we get rid of the dams on the rivers?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's engineering.
		What you're doing is like Oppenheimer.
		First of all, you don't know what unintended consequences you're doing by interfering with nature.
		Yeah, but you're a privatized war machine that was started in war, and now you're doing it under the guise of masquerading to help farmers.
		But in the future, I imagine you'll be creating fake rain for data centers that your friends in Silicon Valley will be building everywhere.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		My friends, I just disavowed my friends in Silicon Valley.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Not enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you need fake rain for data centers for?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Data centers soak up lots of water, right?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		They kind of do, but they're mostly closed-loop circuits, so they don't actually consume that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Have you not said in interviews you're going to drop fake rain for data centers?
unidentified		It's real rain, actually, but it's fake rain from fake clouds.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's silver iodide.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They roll their eyes, but this is a very real issue.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		We can get into toxological thresholds, bro.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're just going to keep deflecting with big words.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to keep it blue-collar.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Safe.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Big, fluffy, natural, safe.
		Beautiful rain, wet, wet farms, wet data centers.
		So the specific question is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you started saying words that no one understood.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, the silver iodide stuff is all.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But it's not good.
		We don't know.
		There's two scientists that just testified four days ago before Congress saying they don't even understand what the buildup of silver iodide is going to do to the water and to the soil.
		And you can mention 80 years of data, but Fauci has years of vaccines, and we know that's effective.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but hold on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what you're basically saying is because we can't study the long-term effects multi-decade, we shouldn't do anything.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We should not interfere with nature in the way I think cloud seating is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, but real quick, he made a point about dams.
unidentified		Right.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's working with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That wiped out cities.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's working.
		Yeah, and I get it.
		That's working with nature.
		Like irrigation, building dams, that's like an engineering, I can get behind.
		But what you're doing, I don't agree with because I believe, and I know your website says you're not playing God.
		I like that you have that in FAQs, but I think you are playing God.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, so just for one point of context, can I ask if you're religious?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I believe in Jesus Christ.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Okay, yeah.
		No, Christ is Lord.
		Love that guy.
		Saved my life four years ago.
		I've got one theological point and then one like technical point, right?
		The theological point that I think matters a lot is trying to live out the dominion mandate that God gave us in Genesis, the beginning of time, right?
		He told us to steward and work the garden.
		He told us to take dominion over the earth, the seas, and the skies, not just for our benefit, but for the sake of creation's well-being and his glorification through that.
		And if farms are collapsing due to drought, if ecosystems like the Colorado River are collapsing due to drought, and we have a means, sort of like building a dam to store more water, to keep those ecosystems and farms alive for our benefit, if it is in fact safe, and I'd have to prove that it is safe, and you should not just trust me, but verify it otherwise, then we'd actually be abdicating our responsibility to God to take care of his life.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But God didn't say to synthesize silver iodide in labs.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, we don't know light bulbs either.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but we don't know how that will affect our food, aquatic life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, so let me let me just respond.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what you're talking about applies to like millions of products.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of things I don't agree with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like the wave of fluorescent lights and the chemicals that were in that that cause ecological damage and like, don't breathe in, it'll kill you, and it's spreading in landfills.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I agree, there is a lot, but since the cloud seeding guys here, I'm talking about cloud seeding.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And I'm talking about how I think I believe it will be a danger because, in my sense, to me, a lot of what you're doing, plus stuff in Silicon Valley is a tower of babble.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the reason I bring that up, and I'm asking you this, is would you say something similar to like the giant lithium batteries in hybrid cars or electric cars?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I totally disagree with electric cars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we should, what about the oil accumulation from engines and things like that?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think it's bad, but like, I don't think we should have people in the skies manipulating weather patterns.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I know those things are bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I get it, I get it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I know things are bad.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree with vaccines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just trying to understand where your line is, right?
		So should we ban plastic use?
		I'm actually.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, plastics are very bad for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm in favor of getting rid of plastic.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I try to use glass and stuff, but even that is sometimes lined with microplastics.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, totally.
		So I think we should do everything possible to have safe, healthy products around us, right?
		Like we shouldn't be wearing microplastics all the time.
		We shouldn't be eating a bunch of MSG and like artificial, what is it, high fructose corn syrup.
		But I mean, it tastes good, but it's bad for you, I think.
		But then the question is, there's two, right?
		Do we actually know like the thresholds after which using silver iodide to make precipitation would be problematic for ecosystems or otherwise?
		The answer is yes.
		So if you look at, there's this one study that gets quoted all the time.
		It's called like potential risks of acute silver iodide exposure.
		Some bad effect.
		The lowest threshold of silver iodide concentration in water that can have any adverse effect on freshwater bacteria.
		Those are the most sensitive organisms that could be affected by this.
		It's about 101 parts per billion.
		If you look at the seeded clouds with the highest concentrations of silver iodide in them, you're floating at around 30 parts per billion.
		So just in the artificial rain, let's call it the man-made rain, you're still 30% or you're still 70% lower than the absolute lowest threshold for any toxicity to anything in the environment, way below what it would take to impede human life, crops, any larger system.
		So there's that for one.
		And then the second thing is like most natural precipitation actually occurs because little dust particles in the cloud are what the water droplets or the water vapor freezes onto, grows into big snowflakes and then precipitates.
		It just so happens that silver iodide is one of the more effective materials for that.
		And so it's mimicry of what God's process for precipitation looks like already.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what if he did organic cloud seeding with natural dust particles?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, then that goes into, I don't think we should be manipulating it at all.
		Like the silver iodide is just one part of it.
		Like I don't think messing at all.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Well, then we got to get rid of all of the coal plants and the nuclear plants and the nat gas plants and the solar farms because I mean, yeah, there's a lot.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I, you know, there's fake clouds.
		You're just one facet of the fake cloud hierarchy because there's also different things that are happening within our evaporation and in the water supply.
		I mean, sure birth control in the water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is.
		And I think you've like, I'm not trying to say you've not made the point.
		You've made the point that there's a lot of things you're bad.
		You're addressing this one.
		I look at like mercury dumping in the ocean and rivers.
		And when you talk about silver iodide and things like that, when we are damming rivers or redirecting them and then using them as waste, like refuse filled like dumps, I see that as largely the same thing.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		No, it's terrible.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But are we going to, are we going to then like, should we invoke severe like environmental restrictions on companies?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, we have the Clean Water Restoration Act, very famous because it was, was it the Ohio River, I think, burst into flames?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it the Ohio River?
		Started on fire because of all the chemicals that are being mixed into it.
		And what happened was it wasn't that any one group was like, let's dump toxic chemicals that burst into flames.
		It was that each company was dumping a little bit.
		And so when we were like, yo, why is our river on fire?
		They were like, don't look at me.
		I only dumped a little bit.
		And it's like, yeah, well, all of you were doing it at the same time.
		So someone had to regulate that avalanche.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, we need it.
		And I'm not like a climate alarmist.
		You know, like, I'm not like the AOC and with the cow farts, but I grew up on the Hudson River, New York, right behind across the river from an IBM place where they had, could legally dump all their sewage into the river.
		You know, and I think that was insane.
		There was a big sign on the train tracks that said that.
		But yeah, I mean, like, there's, there's 31 states right now trying to outlaw you.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Well, so there were.
		Three states did.
		I said this the other day publicly.
		Like I know, and over the course of this conversation, we've been ragging on tech companies totally deserved.
		Like most tech companies have no concern for the American people.
		Most corporations have no concern for the well-being of like the environment that we live in.
		Most tech companies don't really care about America's national interests at all.
		And so I am very sympathetic to people being default suspicious or skeptical or even hateful of tech companies.
		Like I get that.
		That's why with people, you've been fairly polite and I appreciate that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I've called you a ghoul on Twitter.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		His booker ghosted me because of it, but I'm glad we're here now.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		No, likewise.
		But like I understand that people don't expect tech companies to build real solutions for real people.
		You don't have to be a climate alarmist to say like the Ogallala aquifer in the Midwest is being depleted and farms from the Dakotas all the way down to Texas are going to collapse because of it.
		The Colorado River barely makes it to Mexico and all the species dependent on it are going to die if we don't make more water there.
		The Central Valley of California, people have been farming there for hundreds of years or 100 years.
		They're not going to be able to anymore unless we produce more water.
		And there's a bunch of other things like managing our existing water table better that we should do too.
		And even all of that said, we should scrutinize and regulate cloud seeding, right?
		Because we don't want anybody to be adding any material to the atmosphere.
		And the states that we operate in now, Utah, their Department of Natural Resources regulates the materials we use.
		Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation does that as well.
		That's great.
		I think the federal government should do that too.
		But we shouldn't ban it because there's prospective unintended consequences on.
		the toxological side or on the water table side that we actually can model out and show like what the effects are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do got to go to Super Chats on my show right now.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But I hear you.
		And when I called you a ghoul, it wasn't because I was blaming you for the floods.
		Like I think you were kind of a patsy for that, honestly.
		I thought you were a ghoul for the PR tour you did, you know, and the company, which I disagree with.
		And I'm worried about how, you know, I mean, I don't have to get into the whole thing, but like the whole Peter Thiel world is not good to me.
		And I think it's anti-human.
		And I think we need to regulate what you guys are doing to the earth.
		Because I know what you're saying, but it sounds like knurling to me when Elon's saying we're going to help you out in the short term, but in the long term, you're building a dystopia.
		And I wish you would redirect your, because I think you're very smart.
		I wish you would redirect that brilliance to something a little less dystopian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like cloud seating acid rain over silicon.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Just stop messing with the sky, you know?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Dude, you're monopolizing it.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I think you might have pegged me as the wrong guy.
		Totally get why.
		Why is that?
		I don't think that I'm the tech bro that you think I am.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think you are.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I understand, but I think we can talk about that more.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I would love to have you on my show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we should do a culture war and add like two other elements of the discussion on environmental factors.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to have the conversation.
		I mean, I feel the way I feel.
		I'm not going to change it.
		But I appreciate that you have the conversation.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, man.
		Like, if you give me good points, then I'll change my mind.
		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that'll happen.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're a teal fellow.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		And I am a.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I can't say that publicly.
unidentified		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You are a brother in Christ, though.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You are a brother in Christ.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but beware wolves in sheep's clothing.
unidentified		Exactly.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I don't trust that.
		Exactly.
		As I say it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And I'm petitioning you to stop mutilating the sky.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I'm petitioning you to help us take care of our farms and ecosystems that are collapsing.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And I would like to see you do it a different way.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Let's me in the middle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that we should dig a giant canal straight into the Sahara Desert and just pump seawater straight into it and then artificially create streams and tributaries and all that to bring it back.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		No, bro, but then that would, the evaporation would make clouds and he doesn't.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of stuff that's going on around in the water.
		Vegas has got to go.
		Got to go.
		That's it for so many.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, we got to get super chats.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to my show right now.
		Inverted world live, 10 o'clock, YouTube, Rumble.
		See you there.
		Thank you guys.
		Augustus, I appreciate you talking.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		It was a pleasure.
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		Mosef Stalin says, I own a bar, and during the whole Bud Light controversy, we had people in there questioning why we still had Bud Light on Tap.
		Well, I'm questioning why you still have Bud Light on Tap 2.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a very salient question.
		Why do you have Bud Light?
		Are you trans?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did.
		We did a show, a live show, and we were asked about it by the bartenders.
		This is right after it happened.
		And we were like, you probably take the Bud Light out.
		And so, because they have the beers available and they took the Bud Light out.
		And then I went to, it was funny, I went to a Republican event in Charlestown, and they had Bud Light at their open bar.
		And then I walked up to him.
		I was like, why are you guys serving Bud Light?
		And they were like, because it's like default stock for catering.
		We didn't ask.
		They were like, hey, we want to book an event here.
		And they said, sure, we'll provide drinks.
		And Bud Light was one of them.
		And they were like, we didn't think about it.
		We didn't tell them not to do it.
		And I'm like, well, you should, you know, like, this is the problem with conservatives.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had a friend, a friend's dad, he like broke down in tears.
		He's like, I've drank Bud Light for 30 years.
		I just, I can't say goodbye.
		And he was like in tears over it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Look, Coors Light is not significantly different from Bud Light.
unidentified		It's true.
unidentified		That's true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hanamichi says, ask the Rainmaker rep to address accusations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The government is using cloud seating to deflect from geoengineering in congressional hearings.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think Shane already covered that, did you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we need to do a culture war episode.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And not just with Shane and Augustus, but I think it'd be interesting to get a climate change person in here because they seem to have evaporated.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where are they?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
unidentified		Greta's like, climate change is actually Israel in Palestine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, what?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because they keep shooting flares at their boats.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what's going on?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She literally says this.
		She literally just abruptly was like, the issue with climate change is that Israel and Gaza.
		And I was like, okay, like, you can be mad about both.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how they're related to each other.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're like cloud city with missiles, maybe?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If she just came out and she was like, I care about climate change, but I'm going to focus on Israel and Gaza because what's going on is bad.
		I'd be like, okay.
		That makes sense to me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just Israel and Gaza gets her more attention at the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, it's because she was like, I'm not getting any views on climate change stuff anymore.
		What do people care about?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's because nobody believes climate change anymore because they've been exaggerating for so long.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Skyline says, growing up, I saw people beheaded and displayed in Capitol City.
		I learned peace was a transitional lull period between violence.
		Normies are what's called, Normie are what's called in Japan as peaceful idiots.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Levinthel Spade says, Tim, when are you going to have retired Navy SEAL Matt Bracken on?
		He's written six books on the next civil war and is an Infowars regular.
		He's perfect for a culture war episode.
		So be it.
		I'm assuming there are people who work here who watch this show and they will have heard that.
		That's usually how things happen here, even when they shouldn't.
		Like we've had things happen where I've made a joke, like, you know what we should do?
		We should totally just like, you know, make the world's biggest cookie.
		And then like the next day, you know, someone's like in chat being like, I bought the flower.
		And then Allison is like, for what?
		For the big cookie Tim wants to make.
		I'm like, what are you talking about?
		And then Allison, my wife, she comes to me and she's like, we're making a gigantic cookie.
		And I'm like, what are you talking about?
		She'll be like, they're buying a bunch of flour and chocolate chips right now.
		I was like, why?
		And then they'll go, oh, Tim said on the show he wants to do.
		And I was like, I was making a joke about what is going on.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		You got to commit to the bit, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, yeah.
		Well, just a stupid Glazier says, did Trump make an error labeling Antifa a domestic terror organization versus an international?
		Well, it's foreign terror organization.
		And maybe international works too, but I think so.
		I mean, but I think Stephen Miller is advising him on a lot of these things, and Miller knows exactly what he's talking about.
		That guy is on point.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's definitely calculated.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, there's a few bars you have to cross to get to FTO, foreign terror organization, but I guarantee you they're turning over everything to get that declaration across the finish line.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		John R. Hughes says, I literally can't get anyone to look into this evidence.
		You don't have to play the video on stream.
		Just look into it and cover it if you disagree or agree.
		Go to Range Day Bro on YouTube, the last video.
		Okay.
		Range Day Bro on YouTube.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's got a pretty good channel.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen the video in question, but I've watched a bunch of his videos.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And his video is Kirk Assassination, new video evidence changes everything.
		It's got almost a million views.
		I just want to say, like, with all due respect, there are a lot of people that have quickly realized that claiming there is a conspiracy behind Kirk's assassination is getting them a lot of views.
		They are quickly rising in the ranks of some of the most viewed channels on the internet.
		And I think it's unfortunate because it's just not correct.
		Now, by all means, there are people that are saying a 30-out six through a neck, it's going to cavitate and blow out his.
		Are you nuts?
		Why would I believe that?
		Possibly.
		I do think it's silly, to be honest, but with all due respect, I'm not trying to be disrespectful on any way to TPSA.
		The very hammed up way, and again, with respect, because I'm trying to be delicate, man.
		I knew Charlie, you know?
		But that post about how he was the man of steel and he was so strong and young, he stopped the bullet from penetrating, which could have hurt other people.
		I don't think that helped stop the conspiracy theories because you could have just said, guys, the bullet hit his spine, killing him instantly and stopping it in his neck.
		And that's a horrifying thing to have to say.
		But I think when you watch the video, it is sad and it is brutal to admit, but you can see Charlie go down in an instant.
		And it seems to me that that is likely what happened.
		And then I see people making videos where they're like, so it was a magic bullet, huh?
		And I'm like, no, dude.
		He took a shot in the neck that hit his spine and it killed him.
		And then you see the blood come out and I don't know.
		But I was sitting in a restaurant when I watched this video and we didn't know what was going to happen.
		And I had people telling me that he was stable, going to make it.
		And that's what we're hearing now that they got a pulse back and then he didn't make it.
		And when I saw that video for the first time, I literally said to my wife, you see him go out in an instant.
		And that's what we heard from, who was the gentleman?
		Was his name, Frank?
		Turik.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The guy that talked.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said the same thing.
		Charlie was dead in the instant.
		And it is entirely possible.
		I understand.
		But these videos that are coming out are just like, I noticed a speck in a frame.
		That's got to be a muzzle flash or something.
		And I'm like, it could be, but it's probably not.
		And the conflicting conspiracy videos, I understand that people want to believe that something else happened.
		By all means, I will say it outright.
		The trans script between the assassin and the boyfriend, it's like, dude, that's clearly not real.
		Like, seriously.
		It was either transposed, omitting a lot of information.
		I do not believe that Cash Patel and FA agents were sitting there typing this up or asking Che to do it because that requires many more assumptions.
		The simple answer is the boyfriend wrote it so that evidence could be introduced later on that is exculpatory for the boyfriend.
		So if they try to charge the boyfriend, they can say, no, no, look at this document, the messages.
		I had no idea what was happening.
		And that's enough to create reasonable doubt.
		That seems to make the most sense.
		Considering there were trans people that had foreknowledge, it seems likely that other people knew about this.
		And that is the simple explanation as to why the messages don't seem to make a lot of sense.
		There are, I think, three or four different second shooter theories, all conflicting with each other from different channels that have different videos.
		And I don't understand how everyone is attaching to them.
		There's the, the bullet came from behind because you can see a frame, there's a speck around the same time.
		There's a video of a guy putting his hand and they're like, he's got a palm gun.
		He doesn't flinch.
		And I'm like, so which one was it?
		There's the theory that a guy was in front of Charlie and you can see an entry wound.
		The shirt gets hit.
		The shirt flies up.
		So they're saying he was shot from the front and that it was a low caliber handgun and they're lying about the caliber.
		Then there's the, it was a palm gun and the guy went to scratch his arm and fired the palm gun with his with his wrist.
		There's literally no recoil.
		And how the hell do you aim a palm gun like this without looking?
		Then there's the shooter behind Charlie from the other angle because there's a flash of light or there's some kind of bright spot at the moment, which could be a million and one different things, but people all want to just believe this stuff.
		And I feel like there is a conspiracy staring us in the face that this shooter had an accomplice or accomplices, or at least informed these networks.
		So I will just ask, when we're trying to solve a puzzle, you do not skip over what is in front of you and jump to the back.
		You just don't do it.
		You look at what's in front of you and you ask, where does it lead us?
		There is a video of a man running and jumping off a building, carrying something.
		This same man is seen limping towards the building.
		This is indicative of probably the shooter.
		Now, it's entirely possible.
		Don't get me wrong.
		Because we saw that there are these trans individuals online that had foreknowledge, this guy was also part of a Patsy plan.
		In the order of what I think happened, it's likely the official story they're giving us is 80% correct.
		There are probably details we're not getting because they don't know them.
		And we are all trying to figure out exactly what and how this happened.
		There is a small possibility that maybe after this, the next conspiracy that makes the most sense, this shooter was working with other people and they've colluded in such a way to obfuscate the details.
		And this guy is a fall guy somehow.
		Those two theories have a massively higher probability than Israel did it, which like Charlie was their greatest proponent and was saying very disparaging things about Gaza and Palestine on a regular basis.
		So that one is in the realm of existence, but probably in the very low point decimals of percentage possibility.
		People are claiming his own security guy.
		Like, I'll say the other thing.
		There's video of like guys like taps his hat and then scratches his arm and taps.
		And I'm like, yeah, that's just security.
		That's normal.
		At a loud event, security used hand signs.
		I don't understand why that implies anything nefarious.
		There are people that have tried implying footage was stolen.
		It's not true.
		It's like, there's a bunch.
		I'll just put it this way.
		I have no problem with conspiracy theories.
		There's just too many and they all seem to contradict each other.
	There's like five different shooters according to all of the conspiracy theories.
	So all I can do in looking at all of it and be like, yeah, maybe, but probably not.
	You know, 30 out 6 is a very large round.
	And in most circumstances, you look at ballistic testing, it blows out the animal.
	It is rare, but possible, that it hit his spine, deflected into his neck, and stopped at his skin.
	And that's why he seems to die instantly.
	I think that's, you know, if someone was going to ask me, that's sad, but the more likely case.
	And I understand why Colvett put out the statement saying that Charlie was Superman.
	The bullet hit bone and his bones were so strong it stopped the bullet from exiting, saving other people's lives, because he's trying to rally hope.
	I get it.
	I also think it has people going like, oh yeah, well, that's a crazy story.
	It's a magic bilano.
	But instead of just saying, guys, the bullet hit Charlie's spine and killed him instantly.
	It deflected downward after hitting his spine and probably other parts of his skull and back.
	And that's why it didn't exit.
	And that is a gruesome, horrifying thing to have to say about your friend.
	But I don't think the conspiracy theories have the probability here.
	In fact, I honestly, I take that back.
	I think the actual shooting we're looking at is a conspiracy.
	I don't believe this guy was a lone wolf.
	And I think the limited information we have is why they're reporting that.
	I think it's possible that they're not going to release all the information for some reason because they usually don't.
	But I believe that a reasonable assessment is this guy was working with other people.
	That's how they knew.
	And his motivation was he's a leftist.
	A guy just shot up an ABC building.
	We don't need a conspiracy to justify or to explain any of this away.
	These people have been doing this.
	Andy No was brutally beaten.
	I just, I don't think these guys that have been putting on masks and going around and attacking and beating people are part of some secret government plot.
	Anyway, I don't really know.
	So, what do I know?
	And I've watched those videos, trust me.
	And I think people are, it's just, I think people want to believe in, you know, they want to believe there's something else out there.
	I don't know why.
	We'll grab one more.
	We've got Zod.
	I'm commenting late and was working and catching hung up, but the Timcast team should commission a docuseries where you interview the security teams of left and right figures to honestly show who threatens who and which side needs more security.
	It would really shed light.
	No, because the left would lie.
	They'd make things up.
	What I can tell you is we have security teams.
	These are guys who are former law enforcement, military vets, and they do intelligence reconnaissance, and they'll just tell you because they tell me.
	Current threats, nothing from Groipers, nothing from pro or anti-Israel, nothing from the right in any meaningful, discernible way, nothing from libertarians.
	The left, here's a list of 100 death threats we've gotten this week.
	It's just, guys, you can go on X and just Google, like I say Google, but you can look it up on X and just read all the death threats targeting me.
	Just have fun and all the other psychotic things.
	So good point, but the security companies are neutral.
	They'll tell you this.
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		Let's get it.
		So a guy got arrested for pointing a laser at Marine One helicopter carrying Trump near the White House.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's wicked, stupid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Suspect alleged told authorities I should apologize to Donald Trump after being restrained in handcuffs.
		He should go to prison.
		Jacob Samuel Winkler has been charged with aiming a beam of a laser pointer at an aircraft, a felony that carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.
		Here's a challenging question.
		He said he should apologize to Donald Trump.
		Okay.
		If this is some like doofy moron guy, okay, so hold on.
		They say, upon approach, Winkler looked up, oriented the same red laser pointer at the direction of Marine One, and activated the red laser beam.
		The move posed a danger to both Marine One and everyone aboard the helicopter.
		It presented a risk of flash blindness and pilot disorientation and put Marine one at greater risk of collision.
		Winkler was promptly restrained and proceeded to make statements including, I should apologize to Donald Trump and I apologize to Donald Trump.
		Investigators seized the red laser pointer from Winkler's evidence, along with a fixed blade knife measuring about three inches.
		He later waived his Miranda rights and claimed he did not know it was illegal to point laser at Marine One.
		He said he points the laser at all kinds of things, just stop signs, and as noted in the complaint.
		Online court filings do not provide Winkler's age or hometown.
		I'll just be clear: if this guy turns out to be some like retard guy, prison makes no sense.
		Take away his laser pointers and, you know, what's the point of putting a retard to jail?
		Like, he didn't literally kill somebody.
		And so there's the argument of he's a threat to other people, agreed.
		However, I'm going to go ahead and say like 80, 90%, it doesn't matter.
		He should be in jail because anybody who does this should not have a retard defense for nearly killing the president.
		Or I should say for creating any kind of risk to killing the president.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The thing that bothers me about it is like this schmuck is the reason why you can't get a fucking laser for a rifle for less than like $2,000.
		And like you had like the Food and Drug Administration is actually the organization that regulates lasers and stuff like that, which is kind of annoying.
		But yeah, thanks, dickhead.
		I personally think you should go to jail just because you're making it more difficult for me to enjoy my hobby.
		Schmuck.
		Shooting laser.
		How can you not know that shooting a laser at aircraft is illegal?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Like it's also hard to not recognize Marine One.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Like, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's so dumb.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, of course, it's going to be illegal to shoot a laser at an aircraft.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		How old's the guy?
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Did it say?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Is he like a college kid or something?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what's the strat?
		Like, this can be a really funny prank.
		I'm going to try and down an aircraft.
		Like, you know, like, what's the bit?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		A lot of people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's so, it's wicked stupid.
		Like, are you, do you think that you're going to be able to see the laser on the air?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		People like throw rocks over overpasses.
		Like, this was a funny shit.
		Dude, we're going to try and kill someone.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I think that's like so seopathy.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I think the throwing rocks over overpasses is like, oh, you have no concern for human life whatsoever.
unidentified		Yeah.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		In the laser pointer, you know, most people have never piloted a plane or let alone a helicopter.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		So I don't think people realize how fucked up you're going to be if you are a pilot that gets blinded that way.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Guy just hammered on his back porch.
unidentified		Oh.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, it probably is.
		And it's an like I said, it's annoying because, you know, I like lasers on a lot of my rifles because I have night vision and you can see them at night and it's cool.
		And now because this, and because of dickheads like this guy, you know, there's all kinds of regulations and the U.S. FDA has to regulate lasers, which is, again, food and drug administration.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you know, that rally we just saw over the weekend.
		If the people at that rally, if that, if that stadium was the size of this country and everyone inside of it was the same kind of people in those rallies, you wouldn't need these laws.
		So true.
		You would need very few, in fact.
		You likely would not need police.
		To be fair, I don't think literally everybody went to Charlie's rally was a good person.
		That's silly.
		But if everybody in this country was like Charlie Kirk, if everybody in this country had Charlie Kirk's worldview and moral worldview, you would need no police.
		If everybody in the world did, you'd need no armies.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		John Adams spoke about this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, If everybody was, if men were angels, government would be unnecessary.
		But clearly, they're not.
		So that's why we have to throw everybody in an NTV in jail.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Social for high IQ patriots, it would work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a little.
		I don't know if I agree, Phil.
		I think they should get a merciless beating before being thrown in jail.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, look.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then after.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm open.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm open to extra steps.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can do a laser pointer firing squad.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They just shine.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Laser pointer in the eye so that way they can't see ever again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because that will burn your eyeball.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's called the dazzler.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The dazzler.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The dazzler, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a weapon they use in the military.
		It's a powerful green laser.
		They point it at your eyes and click it, and it'll blind you for about 30 seconds.
		It basically, you know, when you look at a bright light and then you get spots for a little bit, it does that to your whole vision.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		What if you're just trying to clear a room or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So at checkpoints in like Iraq and Afghanistan, a car would pull up and they'd point it at their eyes and click the dazzler and then they can't see.
		That way you can't do anything.
		Yeah, let me see if I can pull this up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The dazzler.
		It's unfocused as well.
		It's not like it's broad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it goes over your full face.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But it's still the same wavelength.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I've been looking at eclipses whenever they happen, so I think I'd be fine.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dazzler.
unidentified		Good idea.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I know a guy that looked at an eclipse and actually became more powerful afterwards.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's what I did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Flashblindness.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Trump worked for Trump.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He became more powerful.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It emits infrared light against various electronic sensors.
		They are intended not to cause long-term damage.
		Usually lasers make what is termed a laser dazzler.
		Indeed.
		And they're mounted on weapons or handheld.
		And I talked to some vets who said that when they were at checkpoints, I think it was in Iraq, when the car was pulling up to a checkpoint, they'd dazzle them.
		That way they can't do anything.
		Oh, yeah, it says in Desert Storm, Iraqi military, the pilots were forbidden from firing the Iraqi shoulders and instead use lasers and dazzlers.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		It's a solid humanistic innovation beyond just flash banging everybody that pulls up to the checkpoint.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is a weapon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Flashbangs are awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is a directed energy weapon that can make people throw up.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		This is the Havana syndrome thing, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking about something where it is, it's a laser and light weapon that nauseates and disorients.
		I think it's a combination of sound, laser, and lights.
		And it makes it, in the extreme cases, it'll make you throw up, but it usually just disorients you, makes you dizzy and feel like you're going to barf.
		I think it affects your balance or something like that.
		There's reportedly weapons that can make you shit your pants.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		My security was telling me about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The pants shitting weapon?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ultra-low frequency generators.
unidentified		Yep.
		Yep.
		The USDOW uses those.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		I've heard stories, and these could just be urban legend, that you generate a very low-frequency sound pulse and it makes people like they have to shit.
		Most people just lose their balance and they'll fall down, but some people just, they can't control it.
		They just.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		I think real.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I think Penason.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Someone in the 80s in Japan was doing this with a giant subwoofer, like a massive subwoofer, and that's where we learned about the brown notes effect, from what I understand.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Based.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Based.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say it's a myth, a weapon that forces involuntary defecation.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the origin was a spoof article.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Black pilled.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		True.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mythbusters tested it, but couldn't figure it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't prove it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There is no note that will make you poop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's not a note.
		What I'm referring to is a report.
		I read a report about ultra-low frequency vibration, which is sound technically, but you can't hear anything.
		And it disorients you.
		And one of the theories of ghost phenomenon is areas where there's ultra-low frequency being generated by tectonic movement, which creates a sensation within the human body.
augustus doricko ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna go to callers.

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