Sept. 13, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:11:46
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| Erica Kirk is set to make her first public remarks since the murder of her husband Charlie uh from Arizona tonight. | ||
| We'll we will have that, I believe that's gonna be about seven fifty or eight fifteen on the east coast. | ||
| Um the left is trying to place the blame for the murder on the right, they're trying to say that the murderer was actually a groper or he was a MAGA loving Republican and that Charlie wasn't far right enough. | ||
| So we'll talk a little bit about that. | ||
| Um this is gonna cover most most of the night, so we'll have uh probably a hit from Tim Poole when he's on Fox News coming up shortly. | ||
| Uh so that's uh that's gonna be most of what we'll talk about tonight. | ||
| So we're just gonna get right into it. | ||
| Joining us tonight is uh Mayor Staggs, how you doing? | ||
| It's been a rough few days. | ||
| Uh I know it's uh you know, for Tim and for all of you, and uh most definitely you know can't even imagine with uh the Kirk family, but uh introduce yourself and tell and tell the viewers a little bit about yourself. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm uh in elected office mayor of Riverton, Utah, and uh that was about twenty miles north of uh the assassination. | ||
| Um that just occurred here on Wednesday. | ||
| And in addition to being mayor, I've I've been appointed by President Trump and the Small Business Administration's office of advocacy, uh was appointed back in May and our office actually uh focuses conducts business outreach, small businesses, five hundred fewer employees, and uh tries to find help identify and eliminate burdensome regulation. | ||
| So that's uh uh with my business background, having worked in Fortune 100, small medium business and then public company, uh and in government as well. | ||
| It really really resonates with me. | ||
| That's why I accepted the appointments because of President Trump as well. | ||
| Uh with how serious he is as the top three priority for priority for him with respect to deregulation. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| Thanks for joining us. | ||
| Uh Ian is here. | ||
| Hey man. | ||
| Hey Phil, good to see you guys. | ||
| Hey Trent, good to see you, man. | ||
| Um always a pleasure. | ||
| We also got Tate Brown in the house. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| How's everyone doing? | ||
| Tate Brown here. | ||
| Yeah, I was holding out for PCC this week. | ||
| Uh made it through the week. | ||
| We had a few tech issues, which is 100% on me. | ||
| But uh, we're we're we're blaming Brett. | ||
| All the PCC tech issues are Brett's fault. | ||
| Sabbath though. | ||
| Today was the best episode of PCC ever, ever we ever had. | ||
| Yeah, ever. | ||
| Mainly because of Ian, I would say I would say so. | ||
| Um so um Mayor Staggs, how far is Riverton from the uh UVU campus? | ||
| We're just about twenty miles away. | ||
| So you're right. | ||
| We're kind of in between Salt Lake City and um, Utah, where Utah Valley University is. | ||
| Um you know, I've I've been in Utah practically uh my entire life, uh definitely my entire adult life. | ||
| Um it's really incredibly tragic. | ||
| You know, I I had the fortune uh to meet Charlie back in twenty-three when I ran for U.S. Senate. | ||
| He was my very first, you know, major endorsement. | ||
| Um somebody who truly believed in me, you know, somebody who just when when not many elts did, uh he believed in me, he was willing to stand up and say, you have the courage to take on the establishment, what do you call the cabal. | ||
| Yeah, in uh challenging Mitt Romney at the time. | ||
| Mitt Romney subsequently got out. | ||
| We had other people into the race that uh he had put his kind of umph behind. | ||
| But uh he was my very first endorsement. | ||
| I'll never forget it. | ||
| Uh he was an incredible, incredible individual, so bright, so articulate. | ||
| Uh we had several other occasions to meet my wife uh and and him. | ||
| Um also my son, he came out uh last uh last April, April 24, and we had a big rally for my Senate campaign. | ||
| Um attended, and uh my 15-year-old son absolutely adored Charlie. | ||
| Uh it was a highlight of his life is to be able to interact with him, take pictures. | ||
| Um people ask him today who's the most famous person you've ever met, and he'll say Charlie Kirk. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Um So we're gonna jump right into this bit this piece here from Newsweek. | ||
| Um Charlie Kirk's wife Erica wants to keep turning point going, she says. | ||
| Uh Trump says. | ||
| Um during an interview appearance on Friday morning on Fox News' Fox and Friends, President Donald Trump said Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica wants to keep his conservative youth organization Turning Point USA running following his assassination. | ||
| Newsweek contacted Turning Point USA for comment on Friday via online inquiry from outside of regular office hours. | ||
| Turning point USA, which Kirk co-founded in 2012 when he was 18 years old, developed into one of the most prominent conservative advocac advocacy groups in the United States. | ||
| In turn, Kirk became an important ally of Trump's make making a number of appearances at his campaign rallies during the last year's presidential election. | ||
| If Erica Herkirk, who hosts the midweek rise up podcast, continues her late husband's work at Turning Point USA, the group is likely to remain influent and influential force in American politics, particularly among college students. | ||
| Um I'm not familiar with Erica's podcast, but I know that the work that Turning Point does has really had a massive, massive impact on American politics overall, particularly when it comes to getting the you know youth into politic politics. | ||
| Because for the most part, the people that are are out there voting regularly, particularly in the midterms, they're always the older people. | ||
| They're always you know 55 and up, you know, people our age um and up. | ||
| Um not quite there yet. | ||
| Not quite, not quite. | ||
| But I mean, I I drive, you know, I my house is I'm a resident of New Hampshire. | ||
| So I like every November when there's a when there's um elections, I drive all the way to New Hampshire so that way I can I can make sure that I can vote and stuff. | ||
| Um but to have turning point really getting young people involved has been a massive boon for the the right. | ||
| And it probably probably had a lot to do with with Donald Trump getting elected. | ||
| Uh 100%. | ||
| Uh Charlie said this when he came out and we we conducted our rally. | ||
| He said, you know, when he first started Turning Point, it was quite literally, it was scary because by all indications, the 18 to 34-year-old cohort was going off the cliff progressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what he was able to do through sure sheer will and just his work ethic and and being able to get together with great, great people like Tyler Boyer and others, build his organization. | ||
| It is now the most conservative. | ||
| It's been in fifty in over fifty years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was always he was so proud of that fact when we would speak. | ||
| Um that that was just he it was it was his organization that was largely, I believe, really instrumental in getting that shifting that tide. | ||
| And now we've got you know, just a generation of um of conservatives that I I think will uh will definitely help change uh the the future of this country. | ||
| When you said fifty the most conservative it's been in fifty years, is that the populace itself, you feel, or is it the Republican Party? | ||
| What what were you what did you mean when you said that? | ||
| The the the males between men between eighteen and thirty-four, that that cohort uh he said was the most conservative it's been in over fifty years. | ||
| Um when he started, it wasn't that way at all. | ||
| Uh they weren't. | ||
| He's been instrumental. | ||
| Yeah, he's been instrumental in moving Zoomers to the right. | ||
| And I mean, I've said it on the show. | ||
| I said it on the show yesterday. | ||
| I mean, the reason why he's perceived as such a threat to the Left is because he's occupied. | ||
| This is a line from John Doyle. | ||
| He's occupied the mainstream and he's transformed the mainstream. | ||
| He's reinvented the mainstream. | ||
| And um, like you're talking about, I mean, the proofs in the pudding. | ||
| Zoomers, Zoomer men particularly, it's the most right wing generation, at least as long as we've logged it at this age, at this age. | ||
| Because you what's the Rush Limbaugh quote? | ||
| It's if you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. | ||
| If you're not a conservative by 40, you have no brain. | ||
| Well, it looks like Zoomers maybe don't have hearts. | ||
| I don't know, but certainly have brains because they've shifted to the right in massive numbers. | ||
| There's a lot of liberals in the Republican Party now, like actually liberal people. | ||
| They they dispense with that slur. | ||
| That's not that's not people that care about like the first amendment. | ||
| You're you're a hundred you're absolutely right, but young people are not those people. | ||
| Young people are very conservative. | ||
| They would not look at the left. | ||
| They would not yes, I'm like I said, you're right about that, but they're not the young people. | ||
| And I think they're older. | ||
| And I think I would have been considered the target demo for Kirk, and I certainly was. | ||
| I mean, I was a huge fan of his of his of his work. | ||
| And it's because I, and I think I'm the demographic he was targeting because I grew up in a Republican household. | ||
| I grew up in a Christian conservative household. | ||
| I just couldn't quite put the pieces together. | ||
| And I think that's what who his work specifically was targeting was all those men who, yeah, they go into college, yeah, I'm conservative, but they don't quite have a grasp on the ideas, and he's able to fill in the gaps and make you realize oh, I could be an asset to the movement, right? | ||
| I could be in some cases matriculated into future leaders, and that's what that's what Kirk was really speaking to. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Um, maybe not put all the pieces together, but I got I gotta tell you this the public universities, and Charlie got this better than anybody. | ||
| It is such a cesspool of woke indoctrination. | ||
| He saw that. | ||
| You know, he never went to college himself. | ||
| You know, he would always say a college is a scam. | ||
| Um, but it was just so full of woke indoctrination that they he needed to go into that lion's den and he needed to be able to provide that space. | ||
| He made it cool. | ||
| He made conservatism cool again and to be religious. | ||
| You know, he always talked about his faith. | ||
| Um, and he just did that so openly and and so uh boldly that you couldn't help but respect that. | ||
| I I remember Charlie talking about that that that kind of debate one-on-one, it is um it is the most manly thing you can do. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Go toe-to-toe with somebody and be able to just articulate your beliefs uh in that way. | ||
| Yeah, and one of the one of the great things about Charlie, and I I I heard uh Shapiro was talking about this a little bit, but one of the great things about Charlie Kirk is he didn't start out because he started so young, right? | ||
| Like he was 18 years old when he was doing his or 17 when he was doing his first stuff with uh with the Tea Party in like 2011 or whatever. | ||
| And he started so young. | ||
| He wasn't an amazing uh singer, I mean sorry, uh, an amazing speaker. | ||
| He had to learn, and he really learned how to become an absolutely great debater and a great speaker. | ||
| So he's he didn't have a college education. | ||
| There's a lot of kids that would bring that up when you would go to colleges and talk to kids. | ||
| They would they would try to make some make hay of the fact that he didn't have a college education, and he would, you know, spank these kids with the uh with the the debates that he was in. | ||
| And and I think that that really does inspire young men because they see I can because that's really what what young guys really want is they want to feel like they can do that, right? | ||
| And and Charlie Kirk made young guys feel like I can do something that matters. | ||
| And and he's not so much older than me. | ||
| I can do something not decades down the road. | ||
| I can do something now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Charlie started when he was young. | ||
| I can do something right now that's gonna matter. | ||
| And for a young guy that feels like he's kind of listless and doesn't know what he should be doing in life. | ||
| If you don't have meaning, that's a great meaning. | ||
| That's a great way to say, look, I actually have value the fact that I can go and do something right now. | ||
| Yeah, well, I and I I think it's like you were talking about Maras. | ||
| What what Kirk's value especially was was again, like talking about kids that are going into college, already conservative, coming from conservative families. | ||
| Like I went to St. John's University in New York. | ||
| Um, half the students there, they're sourcing most of their students from Long Island. | ||
| So, like half the students there were conservative or grew up in conservative households. | ||
| We just kept our heads down for the most part. | ||
| And I wasn't in college recently, I graduated two years ago. | ||
| And it was guys like Kirk that kind of created the room in these on these college campuses to be able to express your opinions and then also to engage with with material that would expand those those opinions and sort of fill in the gaps, so to speak. | ||
| And you there wouldn't have been room without Kirk. | ||
| It would have been like I speak to older Zoomers and and younger millennials. | ||
| I mean, the college campuses were were a total disaster. | ||
| I mean, We remember 2016, the situations on these campuses when, you know, Ben Shapiro or Milo would roll up and they would just light everything on fire. | ||
| By the time I got into college, that wasn't really the case, and it was largely because of Charlie Kirk making making it acceptable to be a conservative on campus. | ||
| Not just acceptable, but in many cases promoted, because like you said, it was it was cool. | ||
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Trevor Burrus, Jr. | |
| You pointed out, Phil, that he got started when he was like 17. | ||
| That's why he was evergreen and at 31, the the 16 and 18-year-olds still loved him. | ||
| Because it wasn't like he got really famous in his late 20s and then was killing it at 50 and 40. | ||
| He was he started. | ||
| I mean, I know this is redundant and it's obvious, but because he started so young and was successful as a young man, even as an old man, he still inspired the young men. | ||
| Well, 31-year-old guy is not old, but um But yeah, you're totally right. | ||
| I mean, you're you hit the nail on the head. | ||
| He was inspiring young people, and I think that that's part of why he was so successful is the fact that he wasn't just a guy that was, you know, out there speaking. | ||
| He was inspiring people. | ||
| He was telling he was even if he wasn't communicating it, he or even if he wasn't articulating it, he was communicating that you can do this, you can make a difference. | ||
| And that that's a big deal. | ||
| Um do we have uh any words? | ||
| So I just want to quickly make sure we're ever knows that we're gonna be I see people in the chat saying they're gonna go watch uh the address. | ||
| We'll be having the address here as well. | ||
| We'll be samulcasting from Charlie Kirk's count on X in a second here. | ||
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So I'll pull it up. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So um I guess we should uh we should talk about a little bit about. | ||
| Um I didn't want to jump into this too early, but one of the things that you're seeing a lot on the internet right now is the left is is disheveled and a mess. | ||
| Oh, Tim's on bring that. | ||
| It was on Fox. | ||
| I'm gonna bring that up right now. | ||
| Uh uh, I mean Tim really fast. | ||
| You guys know who Tim Poole is out there on the United States. | ||
| He's actually a right manager. | ||
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Tim Pool. | |
| That he's from a Christian conservative family who loved guns, and in fact, he attacks Charlie for not being conservative enough. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they've tried making similar claims pertaining to uh the man who tried to kill Donald Trump uh crooks in in Pennsylvania. | ||
| But it is it is absolutely absurd. | ||
| I've been dealing with this since the beginning of my career. | ||
| I have dealt with physical assault attacks from the left, from violent extreme leftists. | ||
| We call them the black bloc, back during Occupy Wall Street. | ||
| This was covered extensively when I was actually championed by the left for documenting Occupy Wall Street, and I was physically attacked by leftists. | ||
| Even to this day, the death threats that we receive, the security that I have to have every day is is it's tremendous. | ||
| And I don't see the same thing among my liberal counterparts. | ||
| They don't require the same degree of security. | ||
| So it's it's it's a gaslighting campaign, in my opinion, because in order to maintain the lie that the right is more violent, they do several things. | ||
| They try to gaslight us in situations like this that a conservative would shoot Charlie Kirk. | ||
| He was the the greatest tool in the arsenal of conservative values. | ||
| And they go online, they use these NGOs, these nonprofits, to claim that a run-of-the-mill, moderate conservative is the same thing as a white supremacist who wants to overthrow the government. | ||
| They're so far removed from each other. | ||
| That's the game they're playing now because they don't want to take responsibility for the rhetoric. | ||
| The rhetoric they say every day when they accuse us of being Nazis or fascists or far right, they say this so that, as you've already pointed out, when the violence happens, no one likes a Nazi, right? | ||
| But let me add this. | ||
| I think the reality now that I've unfortunately had to deal with that we are all seeing is that this man who shot Charlie was much closer to mainstream Democrat than any of us wanted to believe. | ||
| I I woke up to posts on Instagram from people that I thought were my friends that I have known for for years, and mind you, they're liberal, but I always considered them to be moderate liberals, not particularly active, and they're posting messages saying Charlie deserved it. | ||
| He got the world he wanted. | ||
| And they know who I am, and they know that he was my friend, and I don't understand how these relationships can be repaired. | ||
| Even uh friends of mine who are not political who are, you know, telling me I'm I'm sorry, you know, this happened, are telling they're saying on their Facebooks, there are people posting celebrating this that they didn't even realize were political, and I don't know how we recover from that. | ||
| So how did that culture begin? | ||
| You're familiar with the internet, you're familiar with Antifa, you understand the militancy that you see and you encounter when you go into these precincts. | ||
| This kid, raised with good parents, it seems like, lives a normal life in Utah. | ||
| How did he snap like that? | ||
| It's really hard to know, but I've talked about it quite a bit in my research. | ||
| Uh I'll put it, I'll try and keep it as succinct as I can. | ||
| The algorithms of social media starting in the late 2000s, in Lexus Nexus data, you can see the words like racism, white supremacy, fascism, skyrocket in their usage in mainstream newspapers and online publications. | ||
| This was likely due to the big tech platforms prioritizing algorithmic feeds. | ||
| That is, they were going to show you content that got more engagement. | ||
| And to the average person, a story of injustice and racism generated anger. | ||
| Anger mo is the most likely to generate a sh some uh content to be shared. | ||
| It's the most likely to make someone share content. | ||
| And so what we instantly saw were websites that were posting articles, say about politics, realize if they write about police brutality, racism, or some kind of social injustice, they will get substantially more clicks, shares, and in turn money. | ||
| There was a really good example. | ||
| It was reported, Mike.com, for instance, originally started as a Ron Paul libertarian website, but as they began posting police brutality videos and made more money off it, the narrative shifted towards left-aligned ideology. | ||
| Now, what do you think happens to a young man who is 13 years old on Facebook or on one of these other platforms, and the algorithm is showing them nothing but social injustice, leftist ideology, and they may be normal, they may be in a Christian conservative family, but every day they open their apps, whatever platform they be they be using, they see nothing over and over again. | ||
| Racism, white supremacy, racism, over and over. | ||
| And they see these messages from Democrats saying, we can't tolerate this. | ||
| We let we can't let them win. | ||
| Eventually, their whole world, they live in a paranoid delusional state where they would accuse Charlie of being racist of advocating for slavery, exemplified in fact, by Stephen King posting that Charlie Kirk had advocated the stoning of gays, which he never did, And Stephen King was forced to apologize for. | ||
| These ideas that they spread through lies and fake news are crazy. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because the guy lives alone in a cabin in the woods in Maine and just stares at a screen all day. | ||
| I mean, he's like the perfect example of someone getting spun up by these demonic forces online. | ||
| Uh that's that's very interesting analysis. | ||
| Uh thank you so much. | ||
| This is even a more challenging issue than I even understood. | ||
| We appreciate it, Tim. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Yeah, so Shellberg is great, too. | ||
| Yeah, Schellenberger is great. | ||
| So that brings, you know, Tim was actually touching on what we were about to talk about before we jump to the Fox piece. | ||
| Um this is a newsweek piece. | ||
| What is a groiper? | ||
| What to know about Nick Fuentes' alt-right movement. | ||
| Now, the reason that they're talking about this at all is because they bel there are people out there trying to make the argument that this kid wasn't a leftist, that he didn't have any left-waning ideas, that the kid was actually so far right that he thought that Charlie Kirk was not far right enough. | ||
| Even though these these same people that will make this argument are calling Charlie Clerk a Nazi, calling him a fascist, right? | ||
| You don't get more far right than a f than a at least to a a normie. | ||
| I know there are people out there that are gonna say, but horseshoe theory or or what have you. | ||
| Some people had will say, well, Jonah Goldberg's book was right, and the the Nazis are actually left, and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I understand that those arguments. | ||
| I'm aware of them. | ||
| But the typical person live on this right now. | ||
| Is she up? | ||
| Is she? | ||
| I see someone out there, I don't know, just checking. | ||
| It looks like he's just checking, yeah. | ||
| Um but they they're saying that that this guy was so far right that he w thought that Charlie Kir Charlie Kirk wasn't far right enough, and they're saying that he was a a groper. | ||
| So from Newsweek, the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has reignited attention on a longtime simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called Gruiper movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Kirk was shot and killed on September 10th during an appearance at Utah Valley University as authorities investigated the mode of online speculation is turned towards extremist factions that once targeted Kirk, specifically Fuentes Groiper army, which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical. | ||
| Well, hello, Tim Poole. | ||
| How's it going, guys? | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| I saw you on Fox News a while ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I uh I I I I want to take the opportunity to reach out to as many audiences as I could. | ||
| Fox had reached out and uh earlier in the week, but I was obviously I said, look, I'm fortunately I'm busy, but uh they send it they they do these things with satellite trucks or cell phone trucks, basically. | ||
| And so they I they had one on, and uh it was an it was an honor to be on the same day, you know, as as one of the voices to speak before Erica's gonna make her statement. | ||
| And we're going on this Gruiper thing, but uh you made a really good point about the algorithmic thing. | ||
| I know you've made it a lot of times that in in 2008 it was it was time sensitive feet. | ||
| It was whatever the most recent, what how and then all of a sudden there's a switch to what's the most popular, and that just the beast spun out of control. | ||
| It it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in that to the average person, what's popular has a lot to do with what the New York Times, CNN, or you know, Fox Entertainment decides. | ||
| So if they say tonight we're gonna run with a football game, tomorrow everyone's talking about football. | ||
| When it went to Facebook, they said, we'll do the same thing. | ||
| Whatever people like will show them. | ||
| It created an algorithmic feedback loop where it whittles itself down to one singular topic social justice. | ||
| The right is bad. | ||
| Everybody writing white supremacists are evil. | ||
| And they found their path to making money. | ||
| White supremacy is is is abhorrent and everybody hates it. | ||
| They need to find some white supremacists. | ||
| And so that's what they've been doing for a decade. | ||
| Looking for nails with their hammers. | ||
| Well, and there, and thereby that's actually created people that that will essentially say, look, if you're gonna call someone like Charlie Kirk a white supremacist, it doesn't matter. | ||
| And I think that that's probably fed into why there are a small but possibly growing group of people that are like, yeah, I think that America should be just white people. | ||
| This this griper psyop is vomitus. | ||
| Can you explain? | ||
| I I know personally the grow who are the gripers, what is a grouper? | ||
| It's Nick Fuentes' fan base. | ||
| Is it just like are they inherently racist? | ||
| Is that their thing? | ||
| Is we're gonna be like racist guys. | ||
| But for this to be on newsweek. | ||
| I know, right. | ||
| I mean, uh is journalism is completely dead. | ||
| Uh to your point, that was a brilliant analysis, by the way, because this this type of injection of that, it is it is it is done intentionally, and it's to increase uh likes and views, and and it's and you see that proliferation of that terminology. | ||
| Uh this is disgusting. | ||
| I I've I'm sure you have too. | ||
| I've been called a racist. | ||
| I've been I mean, just recently, the day before daily Charlie's assassination. | ||
| I had uh one of our mainstream newspapers in Utah that accused me and Senator Mikeley of being racist, of being fascist, you know, Nazi puppet foot soldiers. | ||
| And I had not thought about that before, Tim. | ||
| Where we're just using that terminology. | ||
| They don't care if it's true. | ||
| They don't they know it's not, but it's driving clickbait, it's driving revenue. | ||
| I mean, they don't care if it gets if it costs you your life. | ||
| These people are monsters. | ||
| And and and like Newsweek thinks their audience are idiots, quite frankly. | ||
| That's what this article is. | ||
| I think we're at everyone knew what happened on Wednesday. | ||
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Yep, I think that's in our second guy. | |
| Erika's speaking. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Erica Kirk. | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to put the on mute right now. | ||
| My name is Erica Kirk. | ||
| Charlie Kirk is my husband. | ||
| I first want to thank the local, state, and federal law enforce enforcement who worked tirelessly to capture my husband's assassin so that he can be brought to justice. | ||
| I want to thank the first responders who struggled heroically. | ||
| Heroically to save Charles' life. | ||
| And the police who acted bravely to make sure that there were no other victims on that terrible afternoon. | ||
| I want to thank the officers who have protected our turning point USA family these past two days. | ||
| And I want to thank the turning point USA board, the COO, Justin Strife. | ||
| And my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy. | ||
| for all their work in these terrible days to be the stability for our family and for the wider Turning Point USA family as well. | ||
| My heart is with every one of my husband's employees who lost a friend and a mentor. | ||
| I want to thank the staffers of this amazing Charlie Kirk show who helped him broadcast from this studio, this chair. | ||
| Every day he loved it. | ||
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He loved what he did. | |
| I want to thank the millions of people who have shown their love for Charlie here in Phoenix, across America, and worldwide. | ||
| I want to thank my husband's dear friend, Vice President Vance, and his phenomenal wife, Usha for their love and support. | ||
| You guys honored my husband so well bringing him home. | ||
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You both are tremendous. | |
| I want to thank President Trump and his incredible family for the same. | ||
| Mr. President, my husband loved you. | ||
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And he knew that you loved him too. | |
| He did. | ||
| Your friendship was amazing. | ||
| You supported him so well, as did he for you. | ||
| Two days ago, my husband, Charlie went to see the face of his Savior and his God. | ||
| Charlie always said that when he was gone, he wanted to be remembered for his courage and for his faith. | ||
| And one of the final conversations that he had on this earth, my husband witnessed for his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Now and for all eternity, he will stand at his Savior's side, wearing the glorious crown of a martyr. | ||
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Charlie loved, loved life. | |
| He loved his life. | ||
| He loved America. | ||
| He loved nature, which helped him always bring him closer to God. | ||
| He loved the Chicago Cubs. | ||
| And my goodness, did he love the Oregon Ducks? | ||
| He wants me to say go ducks, so I have to since they play on Saturday. | ||
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So go ducks. | |
| But most of all, Charlie loved his children. | ||
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And he loved me with all of his heart. | |
| And I knew that. | ||
| Every day I knew that. | ||
| He made sure I knew that every day. | ||
| Every day he would ask me, How can I serve you better? | ||
| How can I be a better husband? | ||
| How can I be a better father? | ||
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Every day. | |
| Every day. | ||
| Such a good man. | ||
| He still is a good man. | ||
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He was the perfect father. | |
| He was the perfect husband. | ||
| Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage in the family was absolutely amazing, and it is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And it was the greatest joy of his life. | ||
| And over and over, he would tell all these young people to come and find their future spouse, become wives and husbands and parents. | ||
| And the reason why is because he wanted you all to experience what he had and still has. | ||
| He wanted everyone to bring heaven into this earth through love and joy that comes from raising a family. | ||
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| It's beautiful. | ||
| Charlie always said that if he ever ran for office, I know a lot of you asked if he ever was going to, but privately he told me if he ever did run for office that his top priority would be to revive the American family. | ||
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That Was his priority. | |
| One of Charlie's favorite Bible verses was Ephesians 5, verse 25. | ||
| Husbands. | ||
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Love your wives. | |
| As Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her. | ||
| My husband laid down his life for me. | ||
| For our nation. | ||
| For our children. | ||
| He showed the ultimate and true covenantal love. | ||
| I will never ever have the words to describe the loss that I feel in my heart. | ||
| I honestly have no idea what any of this means. | ||
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I know that God does, but I don't. | |
| But Charlie Baby, I know you do too. | ||
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I know you do. | |
| So does our Lord. | ||
| And our world is filled with evil. | ||
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But our God, you guys, our God is so good. | |
| So incredibly good. | ||
| And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good. | ||
| For those who are called according to his purpose. | ||
| Already I have seen the worldwide outpouring of love for my husband. | ||
| I've heard the testimonies from people my husband inspired to get married, to start families, to seek out a relationship with God. | ||
| It's the most important. | ||
| Most important one of all. | ||
| The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. | ||
| They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love. | ||
| They should all know this. | ||
| If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. | ||
| You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country. | ||
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You have no idea. | |
| And this world, you have no idea. | ||
| You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife. | ||
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The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry. | |
| To everyone listening tonight across America, the movement my husband built will not die. | ||
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It won't. | |
| I refuse to let that happen. | ||
| It will not die. | ||
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| All of us will refuse to let that happen. | ||
| No one will ever forget my husband's name and I will make sure of it. | ||
| It will become stronger. | ||
| Bolder, louder, and greater than ever. | ||
| My husband's mission will not end, not even for a moment. | ||
| And one of Charlie's greatest talents was his ability, this phenomenal ability to choose great people to follow him. | ||
| He could always find the ones who could handle any setback. | ||
| And it's almost like he knew he just could see it in you. | ||
| Even when you couldn't see it in yourself, he just knew. | ||
| He knew you could handle it. | ||
| You thought you only had 5% left and he knew you had 15. | ||
| He knew you were ready to go that extra mile even when you didn't. | ||
| He always challenged people around him to work harder and to be better. | ||
| He never gave up. | ||
| And I love knowing that one of his one of his motto was never surrender. | ||
| So I want to tell you that that will never surrender. | ||
| We never will. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Our campus tour this fall will continue. | ||
| There will be even more tours in the years to come. | ||
| America Fest here in Phoenix this December will go on. | ||
| It will be greater than ever. | ||
| The radio and podcast show that he was so proud of. | ||
| Will go on. | ||
| And in a world filled with chaos, doubt, and uncertainty, my husband's voice will remain. | ||
| And it will ring out louder and more clearly than ever. | ||
| And his wisdom will endure. | ||
| My favorite, my favorite too, but my husband's favorite word in the English language was earn. | ||
| He would call all of you to be people of action who earn the future America deserves. | ||
| So to all of the young people who felt inspired by my husband's faith in hard work, all of you already know what Charlie would want you to do. | ||
| You know. | ||
| You know. | ||
| If you're in high school or if you're in college, go find your local turning point USA chapter. | ||
| Join it. | ||
| Stay involved. | ||
| He wants you to make a difference. | ||
| And you can. | ||
| You can. | ||
| The movement's not going anywhere. | ||
| And it will only grow stronger when you join it. | ||
| If there isn't a chapter, you can't find one, then start one. | ||
| There is no excuse. | ||
| You can start one. | ||
| And as my husband used to say in this room, every single day, if you want to get involved, the best way you can do that is going to tpusa.com. | ||
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That's what he would say every day from this chair. | |
| Every single day. | ||
| I watched his show every day, and he would always say, if you want to get involved, go to tpusa.com. | ||
| If you're a pastor, join our movement at TPUSA Faith. | ||
| And if you're a parent, I highly recommend that you come to America Fest in December. | ||
| Sign up right now for that because we would love to see you. | ||
| I would love to see you. | ||
| Charlie would he'll be there. | ||
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He'll be there in spirit. | |
| Bring your kids, bring your family. | ||
| But most important of all, if you aren't a member of a church, I beg you to join one. | ||
| a Bible-believing church. | ||
| Our battle is not simply a political one. | ||
| Above all, it is spiritual. | ||
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Well, It is spiritual. | |
| The spiritual warfare is palpable. | ||
| Charlie loved his savior with all of his heart, and he wanted every one of you to know him too. | ||
| He wanted everyone to know that if they confess, if they confess the Lord Jesus Christ who rose from the dead, then they will be saved. | ||
| Hear me when I say this. | ||
| Nobody is ever too young to know the gospel. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Nobody is ever too young to get involved with saving this beautiful country. | ||
| This country my husband loved and still loves. | ||
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And nobody is ever too old either. | |
| There's no age limit. | ||
| I know my husband is still here. | ||
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He's watching over us. | |
| I don't remember the last time I slept. | ||
| I couldn't sleep last night. | ||
| And... | ||
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Charlie, baby. | |
| Charlie, I promise I will never let your legacy die, baby. | ||
| I promise I'll make Turning Point USA the biggest thing that this nation has ever seen. | ||
| Charlie, I love you. | ||
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I love you, baby. | |
| Rest in the arms of our Lord. | ||
| As he blankets you with the words, I know your heart always strives to hear. | ||
| Well done, my good and faithful servant. | ||
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When I got home last night, Gigi. | |
| Our daughter just ran into our my arms. | ||
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And I talked to her and she said, Mommy, I missed you. | |
| I said I miss you too, baby. | ||
| She goes, Where's Daddy? | ||
| What do you tell a three-year-old? | ||
| She's three. | ||
| I said, baby. | ||
| Daddy loves you so much. | ||
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Don't you worry. | |
| He's on a he's on a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your blueberry budget. | ||
| And my goodness, am I so humbled to witness Charlie? | ||
| You alongside Jesus right now. | ||
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Doing what you always want to do, baby. | |
| Making heaven crowded, right? | ||
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That's what it's all about. | |
| Making heaven crowded. | ||
| I can't wait to see you again one day. | ||
| Thank you all again who love my husband. | ||
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Who supported him. | |
| Who wrote him an email every single day during his radio show? | ||
| He read all of them. | ||
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All of them. | |
| God bless you all. | ||
| And may God bless America. | ||
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| I can't imagine how hard that was for her. | ||
| That woman is powerful. | ||
| She did an amazing job. | ||
| I was, I was I I don't know how she did it. | ||
| It was it was incredibly powerful and well done. | ||
| The first of all, the courage it takes to do public speaking in general, and to do it after someone, your significant other is dead. | ||
| I I can't imagine. | ||
| I was doing okay until she started talking about her kid. | ||
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| I I it is, you know, I was watching the news. | ||
| I mean, uh one of the hardest things about wanting to cover this is that I was talking to my wife earlier. | ||
| I'm watching the TV, the news is on, I'm paying attention to everything, waiting for every little detail, every little update. | ||
| And I said to my wife, I the people who are on the TV on the news channels talking about what's going on are our friends. | ||
| They're they're friends of ours. | ||
| Uh in in tears about what has happened to give these news updates and what is currently going on. | ||
| And it's terrifying. | ||
| It's an indescribable terror that doesn't seem possible or real, that this has come to our table. | ||
| Everything always felt so far away and like something else. | ||
| There are a lot of people that we know that are still when they're reading the news, and I can see it in their reporting, and they're friends of ours, and we respect them, but the reporting still shows to them Charlie was someone they had heard of who has who has died, who was killed. | ||
| And I s you know, I I see the posts and they're putting the the reporting out, and I don't mean that anyway to be just disrespectful. | ||
| Just that for those of us that knew Charlie who had been helped by Charlie, it uh it's it's it's particularly difficult. | ||
| I prayed to Charlie yesterday. | ||
| I just prayed and I asked him what what should I do? | ||
| And he said, I said, what a you have to do it. | ||
| Say, go to TPUSA.com. | ||
| He basically said it, you have to do it now. | ||
| It's you now. | ||
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| Did someone make a uh a Chad meme of of Chick Giggins? | ||
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And then he said, go to TPUSA.com. | |
| That's awesome. | ||
| I uh we're we're we're setting up we're trying to keep doing what we do, we're trying to keep the show going. | ||
| We've got events planned, and I tried skating today, but my cortisol levels are higher than I've ever expected. | ||
| My anxiety is through the roof. | ||
| I noticed it on Culture War this morning. | ||
| Sorry if my interruption actually spiked more quarters. | ||
| When we were talking earlier, I could feel the tension. | ||
| And I felt like I don't want to get angry with you, man. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Like my one of my brothers. | ||
| I don't want this to turn into something where we we or whoever. | ||
| I want everyone to understand. | ||
| Charlie invited Ian onto his stage three times and helped us organize putting this together so that for all for all the things that people say about Ian and his views and what they think, the disagreements. | ||
| Because I know, to be fair, I'm not trying to rag on Ian. | ||
| It's the ones of the 20s, the people who love Ian and love his ideas. | ||
| Charlie was very clearly often frustrated, much like everybody else's, but welcomed him every time to be on that stage in front of this audience to say what Ian had to say because Charlie was there to have that conversation with everybody. | ||
| And the proof is in the puddin. | ||
| The proof is in the Ian being invited to Amphest to come on stage and and and be Ian. | ||
| I felt like, and I this is not about me, but I felt like I lost my best debate partner. | ||
| And I you're my best debate partner right now, but Charlie, I just something about him, man. | ||
| Like I felt like if I could talk about Christianity, because you know I'm agnostic, but if anyone on earth I could get through, have a good deep understanding is with Charlie. | ||
| I uh for those that are wondering while Erica was speaking, I was absolutely listening, and some I saw some people post that on my phone because I was looking for the Tim Castir IRL episode where we were invited to use Charlie's studio with the big Charlie Kirk show and Tim Cast IRL right above it. | ||
| And he told us that if we came to Arizona, not only would he take care of everything to make sure we could be there and have us on stage, he would give us his own studio to use, his staff to run it, and he built us a studio at Turning Point USA so that we could be in Arizona for the week, do the show, and be a part of what he had built. | ||
| I I'm seeing a lot of people so deeply moved. | ||
| And uh I was talking to uh the mayor here just before the show started, and you were telling me your story about how Charlie helped you. | ||
| And I I had realized everybody is so moved and saddened by this because Charlie treated everybody else like he was there to serve you, that you were you were more important. | ||
| He'd be backstage before he's about to go on to thirty, I don't know how many 10, 5,000 people, and he just talked to me like a full-on engagement. | ||
| To Ian of all people, you know, I don't know. | ||
| I did nothing for that. | ||
| I never I mean, I just never asked you about anything. | ||
| No, he's he was there forever. | ||
| You know, you wanted to be just I just say that was the most perhaps emotive experience of my life. | ||
| And to see that woman with such courage uh and be able to speak what she did, I like you said, I don't know how she made it through it. | ||
| I like that she was defiant. | ||
| She really was. | ||
| And and what made it, you know, when she said that Charlie he he he had this right, this talent to be able to seek people out and say, you can do more. | ||
| You've you maybe you think you can only do five percent. | ||
| No, no, no, Charlie. | ||
| I know you can do 15. | ||
| Um what made that particularly difficult too to watch from that very studio. | ||
| You know, that's where I first met uh Charlie, and I I was showing you a picture of that um as she was speaking, and this was in right after the 4th of July in 2023, after I shortly after I'd announced my candidacy for U.S. Senate. | ||
| I'm sitting there right there. | ||
| The first time I'd ever met him. | ||
| But he met he he just had this way about him as you were just describing. | ||
| Totally believed in in me. | ||
| Uh when when so few did, you know, it was like, who is this guy? | ||
| He's a mayor from small town in Utah. | ||
| He thinks he's gonna run against the establishment, challenge Mitt Romney. | ||
| He said, I can see it in you. | ||
| You're gonna you're gonna be able to say no to the cabal. | ||
| He looked me straight in the eye and he said, I I don't really know much about you, but I can tell right now that you've got that, and I want to endorse you. | ||
| He goes, I won't do it here. | ||
| Let's let's go on stage to turning point action uh 10 days from now. | ||
| Can you come out to West Palm Beach? | ||
| And I would just my jaw dropped, and I said, You absolutely I will. | ||
| And he brought me on stage. | ||
| Uh, you know, I I Vivek Ramaswamy was was there right after me, so I gotta interact with him behind um behind the the stage. | ||
| Um, and then President Trump came shortly thereafter. | ||
| It was just he's just amazing, amazing individual. | ||
| There are so many stories that I've heard from so many people that it seems impossible. | ||
| The stories of when I met Charlie, he moved mountains for me. | ||
| He fought real hard to make my life better, my success. | ||
| It's it's it almost seems like there wasn't enough time in the world for Charlie to have been helping so many people. | ||
| But I I I'm just everyone I meet is saying they're telling me these stories about how, you know, when I met Charlie, I had I was working on this, and he set time aside to come and help me. | ||
| I was saying, uh, we were we were talking about before the show. | ||
| We have a lot of friends in the industry, in politics, and they're friends. | ||
| And I mean that with with all due respect. | ||
| When they're available, when they're busy, I understand sometimes can't get a hold of them. | ||
| Charlie always answered, always responded, and said, I'll take care of it. | ||
| We got you. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| It it was I I don't know how he possibly did it. | ||
| He must have been sitting there on his phone with his phone blowing up. | ||
| There, there are people I'll text, I'll hear back from him three hours later, and I don't blame him for it, because even I'm busy, you know? | ||
| Yeah, Charlie responds in a minute, like, I got you. | ||
| You know, I want to one of the things that Tim says, and or the point that they're making here is how Charlie was was a servant. | ||
| Can you can you talk a little bit about how that fits in with his Christian life? | ||
| Because I mean, I I I understand it a little bit, but you're kind of like more religiously devout than than I have been in decades. | ||
| So I I'd like your your input on that. | ||
| I mean, uh it's it's you're you'd be hard pressed to find a better representative of Christ in the United States, certainly. | ||
| I mean, you're hearing the stories of uh how many irons in the fire he had a people you're hearing stories from Ian of how gracious and kind he was to everybody and how hard of a worker he was, and the only thread that ties all of that together was his dedication to Christ. | ||
| And I think over the the past few days, um I I think a lot of us have been feeling this pull to Christ, this feeling of ineptitude, this feeling of we can do more, and this feeling of introspection, and I think that's real, and I think that's raw, and I think everyone is feeling that. | ||
| And I think that is the pull of Christ. | ||
| And Charlie just emphasizes over and over again of how important it is to get right with Christ, because as Erica noted, um Charlie, the the first thing he heard um after that bullet ripped through his neck was um, well done, my good and faithful servant. | ||
| Um so just lean into that pull, everyone's feeling. | ||
| Christ loves you so much. | ||
| And to everyone at this table, Christ loves you so much. | ||
| There's uh a very funny meme that I was uh that I've seen from 4chan. | ||
| And uh I I said it this morning, I'll say it for those that are watching now, and it's uh it's a it's a funny green text story where someone said that uh and I'm paraphrasing, but you know the story that they're basically an incel. | ||
| They're out of shape, they don't know what they're doing, and they decided one day to make a difference, so they go to the gym and they're overweight, have no idea how to exercise or what to do or how to improve themselves, and they're looking at the weight rack when a Chad walks over, super ripped, tall, dark, and handsome, and he looks at him and he says, Here, buddy, take these weights, let me show you how to do it. | ||
| Teaches him how to how to use the weights, and he says, I want you to do, you know, a certain amount of reps of these, then talk to me and we'll focus on these other other weights, and uh let me know when you're done, and I'm gonna see you here tomorrow, right? | ||
| Because I got I got leg day for you. | ||
| And the and this guy telling the story says, Is this what it feels like to have a king? | ||
| My liege. | ||
| But the the the the emotions uh exemplified in this, I think is very important, and it does relate to what Tate was saying, so let me explain. | ||
| The the meaning conveyed is that someone had no leadership and didn't know how to be better, and for no reason, he sees this man who he views as having everything. | ||
| Tall, dark and handsome and fit with the knowledge and knows how to do it, and there's no reason for that man to take time out of his day to go and help some guy who has no idea what he's doing. | ||
| And he understood why men followed great leaders at that moment because that man set aside his time to help him be the best that he could be, and he didn't know what to do. | ||
| I think Charlie embodies A lot of that idea for so many. | ||
| I know that every time I saw a video from Charlie Kirk and I watched all of those videos, I was inspired. | ||
| That's why I was going to go to a university to do very much what Charlie does because I wanted to be like Charlie. | ||
| I wanted to do what he was doing. | ||
| What he was doing worked. | ||
| What he was doing was was working. | ||
| It was it was is amazing. | ||
| And I said, more people need to do this. | ||
| I need to do this. | ||
| I texted Charlie about it. | ||
| I said, bro, these are these are amazing. | ||
| I would love to be involved in any way. | ||
| And he said, let me talk with my team. | ||
| I had some conversations. | ||
| This was several months ago. | ||
| Um I had set up a plan uh working with some other people involved. | ||
| I was going to go to a university. | ||
| I I don't I don't know if this was through TP USA or not. | ||
| I just was talking to some people who worked with TPUSA, and uh we were gonna go to a university, but it's not happening now. | ||
| And uh these I know everyone's saying you can't be afraid, you can't let them win. | ||
| These outdoor events pose not just a threat to me, but to the the people who might crowd around who might come to have those conversations. | ||
| And so what I will say is we're assessing and trying to figure out how we go about continuing these kinds of these these these events. | ||
| But what I will say is to what Tate was saying with Charlie is though he's gone, he uh he's actually, I mean, he may not be here physically to talk with us anymore, but Charlie Kirk has become immortal. | ||
| Everything he has said on that matter, there are going to be many young people who look up to him like that story, my liege, somebody who took time out of their day and fought solely to serve you, and that's what it truly meant to be a leader. | ||
| Many of these young men are going to have questions about how such a thing could have happened to such a good man. | ||
| And I think many of them are gonna follow in his footsteps as as you're describing Tate. | ||
| They're going to look at his message not just on self-improvement and a better world, but on faith. | ||
| I think that Charlie's legacy, especially with the work of Erica maintaining growing, pushing TPUSA action and the organizations around the world. | ||
| They're gonna be there is going to be a resurgence in Christianity. | ||
| And this is coming from a non-Christian. | ||
| Young men inspired, moved, looking for answers, are going to hear his message, and it's going to be effective and it's going to grow. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| And I I think you you've encapsulated that. | ||
| It's a servant style leadership. | ||
| That's what Charlie employed. | ||
| Um he wanted to be able to follow Christ's example. | ||
| And the the scripture that comes to my mind is in as much as you've done it onto the least of these, my brother, and you've done it unto me. | ||
| That's how he lived. | ||
| Um and he just took such great pleasure in it, you know. | ||
| That's it's really it's really remarkable. | ||
| Did you do we we we we brought this up? | ||
| Someone posted this yesterday that Charlie's high school voted him most likely to be president, most likely to make a difference. | ||
| Most uh, I think he was like second most likely to make it third, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But he was also voted one of the most likely to change the world. | ||
| He won't be president. | ||
| And he was from Chicago. | ||
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| From the South side. | ||
| Oh, but he was from the northern suburbs. | ||
| Charlie. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Uh I I said this to my wife. | ||
| I was like, I know that um, I was like, I know that we both knew this, but we never really put thought to it. | ||
| But Charlie was from Chicago, and she's like, I know. | ||
| We have so many there, there's, yeah, it's just it feels premature. | ||
| Like it wasn't supposed to happen to him this this soon. | ||
| For some reason, like something happened in the timeline in the last couple weeks that was like disassociated or so. | ||
| I mean, I was disassociated the last couple years. | ||
| I mean, face in the video games, and like it's it's weird, but I agree. | ||
| It it feels like history was has broken in an unnatural way without Charlie. | ||
| It feels like something has defied destiny. | ||
| This man everyone thought was going to be president, taken in a moment, and it's I I feel like I'm underwater. | ||
| It feels not real. | ||
| I get like, I'll get away when she put her hand on his chair when Erica touched his chair. | ||
| I just get waves of like that he's like re-remembering that he's passed on. | ||
| Like re I I saw that and um I had talked about and remembered when he let us use his studio to do our show and he had his production staff for us. | ||
| And I I wanted to find that. | ||
| So it was uh Vivek Ramaswamy, it was Luke Rodkowski and Lauren Chen and and and it was my uh and I at the at this table with the big Charlie Kirk show. | ||
| And right above it on the TV, Tim cast IRL, and it was a tremendous honor that Charlie said, You can you can sit in my seat. | ||
| I it it it it's kind of it's kind of uh I I am humbled tremendously. | ||
| Uh and it it it it's it's it's indescribable the honor that it is that I was able to that that he would allow me to use his studio. | ||
| He humbled himself and it like made you have to humble yourself to be on his level in a way. | ||
| I felt very humbled around him because he was so gracious of himself and his time. | ||
| I think I keep thinking about America Fest. | ||
| We gotta make it the best one ever. | ||
| I don't know how, but I want to. | ||
| I have my full support. | ||
| That's I love that. | ||
| Yeah, how defiant, like you said, that was the term you used, and it's clearly he's gonna go on. | ||
| I believe every word she said, there's going to be this uh I mean, already what, 3,500 chapters, I think, across the country, right? | ||
| Turning point. | ||
| You imagine that it's just going to continue um I I think over the next few months that is going to proliferate. | ||
| Yeah, I think exponentially. | ||
| You're gonna see this, and you're right, Tim. | ||
| There's we're gonna have more people that come out that are um they they're gonna stand up. | ||
| Yeah, and they're gonna say, no, Charlie did it. | ||
| We we we cannot, we cannot let that be in vain. | ||
| Well yeah, I imagine you go ahead. | ||
| No, I mean, I just want to say, like, I mean, because you're 100% right, there is no conservative movement without Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Like, he quite literally was the quarterback of the movement. | ||
| So this isn't a matter of like, oh, okay, how do how do we move on? | ||
| It's like we can't move on without him. | ||
| So thankfully, Eric, like I said, I believe every word she said, I think she's gonna step up, and I think other people are gonna step up to fill that void because genuinely we we it's not one of these things where it's like, oh, that's sad, he's passed, you know, whatever, but it's like we legitimately as a movement cannot move on without him as our quarterback. | ||
| And um it's just it's it's he's he's left a mandate for everyone. | ||
| Everyone has to pull their weight, everyone and and Erica's gonna lead the charge. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| But we we needed him. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| I would be very excited to see in this um school season as many prominent personalities as possible having having these events either with TP USA or TP USA style, engaging students. | ||
| Obviously, we have to figure out how to make them secure, which is tough. | ||
| Unfortunately, the first thought is bulletproof glass around the speaker tent, which is kind of sad, but if it enables the conversation and we can increase that impact tenfold, and uh I that would be incredible. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| We can't let them win. | ||
| The size of that crowd, what was it, three thousand people? | ||
| 3500. | ||
| 3500 people. | ||
| Do you guys remember some of the earlier videos of Charlie going to these events? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's like a dozen people standing around, and most of them are yelling at him. | ||
| In the in the early videos, there's some people standing around, people walking by might stop and look and then come and talk and leave. | ||
| And then as it became bigger and better and and Charlie began to expand, all of a sudden, when people found out he was gonna be there, they'd rush to be there and they'd surround the whole tent and stand there because they wanted to talk to Charlie, whether they liked him or disliked him. | ||
| People there's videos of people walking away being like, I did it, I did it! | ||
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He made it fun and exciting. | |
| You know, uh, we were talking about this earlier too. | ||
| So much happening with Steven Crowder, I think was it was that you take telling me that Crowder pointed out the why why he stopped doing Change My Mind. | ||
| Or was that must have been Kellen? | ||
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| Yeah, he was saying that uh he had to stop doing it because the escalation of violence. | ||
| And he showed, you know, video clips of how people were they would steal stuff, they would attack stuff, they would threaten him or throw stuff at him. | ||
| And that's that's it's it it is funny, you know. | ||
| When I was on Jesse a moment ago, and the the left is trying to claim this guy's a right wing guy. | ||
| And I'm like, isn't it funny that all of us in this space experience threats from the left, celebration from the left, the left explaining why we need to die, a guy who puts, hey, fascist catch on his bullet, and then as soon as it happens, they go, actually, that's a right winger. | ||
| They say crooks was a right winger. | ||
| It's nerve-wracking. | ||
| One of the points that I made earlier was they call Donald Trump or um they call Charlie Kirk a fascist, and at the same time, they're arguing that Charlie Kirk wasn't fascist enough, and so the guy that killed him was further right. | ||
| As if you can get further it like it's not coherent. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
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| You know, and and I think that that's I mean, I think we all can see that that's typical of the left now. | ||
| It's it's not that there's anything meaningful in most of the uh uh the arguments or accusations they make, it's just justifying their behavior. | ||
| They don't call you a fascist because they believe you're a fascist. | ||
| They call you a fascist to justify killing you. | ||
| Don't ever let a good uh what is it, emergency go to waste. | ||
| I've heard that sick phrase before, and maybe the media is doing that. | ||
| Sorry, Tim, you were saying. | ||
| Well, what I was gonna say is um my apologies uh to the mayor for missing the first portion of the show, and w uh just to say it up front, I am gonna be departing right now, but just to explain this has been one of the most stressful past several days of my life, my uh anxiety, which I am not a guy who is who experiences any kind of anxiety, it's just not me. | ||
| But um my heart rate's been extremely high. | ||
| I haven't slept. | ||
| Uh I've been I I I've I've eaten, but I feel sick every time. | ||
| And uh it's just been an in tremendous workload over the past several days. | ||
| So I definitely did not want to miss the opportunity to sit here with you, uh, Mayor Staggs. | ||
| Um, you know, and also to to see Erica speak, but I feel like I got a vice squeezing my chest. | ||
| I feel like um there's a pain in the back of my eyes. | ||
| I feel like I'm gonna throw up every 10 seconds. | ||
| I was telling Allison, my heart actually hurts, and it's like you gotta pull it open. | ||
| You gotta work and stretch your heart. | ||
| You should go give a car dealer some money. | ||
| I don't know about that, but I I uh we we've, you know, aside uh on top of all of the things that everyone is obviously experiencing, we've got internal stuff, conversations happening, uh friends that are obviously freaking out. | ||
| And so uh I'm gonna I need to relax. | ||
| I need to calm down, I need to just kind of sit and stare and these past several days it has been with with no sleep. | ||
| I I'll tell you what the hardest thing is basically almost crying every every two hours because my job is to read the news and I read it nonstop 24-7 all day every day. | ||
| And this time I'm seeing Charlie's face every time, and half of it's good and half of it is is filling me with a blind rage. | ||
| These things these people are posting is is is is so taxing and so draining on me. | ||
| And some of them I considered my friends, which has really driven a knife through my chest. | ||
| People that I that I used to hang out with 10 years ago posting on their on their Facebook pages that Charlie got what he deserved or things like that. | ||
| And I've messaged some of these people politely saying this man was my friend, and they just ignore me. | ||
| And they know that I can see what they've said, and it and it is it is it is I have no words for it to experience something from people that these are not far leftists, these are not hyper progressives, they're just your default lib from the city that have always been Democrats that I have known for a long time. | ||
| Some of these people I have I have I have spent holidays with, and I see them post a video saying Charlie got what he deserved, and I have to see that every day as I'm trying to learn about what happened, and it is just a constant state of emotional, physical uh and physical pain and anxiety. | ||
| Uh and so for that, I I I know we only have an hour left on this Friday night, but I actually wasn't wasn't even knowing if I was gonna make it tonight. | ||
| Jesse Waters asked me to come on, and I wanted to take a I wanted to try and speak as much as I can on other platforms. | ||
| I spoke to the press today about everything that was going on. | ||
| Uh I spoke with some journalists to explain to them why this is happening and what it and what we've been experiencing for so long. | ||
| When they act when when Cuomo says, you guys, I don't see you as victims because you give as good as you get. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yet there are no liberal counterparts to what we do that have to experience the threats of security that we do. | ||
| It's so dishonest. | ||
| But um You know, uh with to the to the mayor, just it was an honor to have you to travel out uh all this way to be here for us. | ||
| So I w I definitely want to make time for you, but I'm gonna go lay down. | ||
| Yeah, I'm gonna go sit down and I'm gonna um the day I think it was when I didn't know what to do. | ||
| I just went for a long walk, pushed myself and kept going. | ||
| It was um it was the first step towards like healing. | ||
| I I am mostly angry. | ||
| Obviously about whatever everything that happened, but when I read the news every day, it has always been something far away. | ||
| Even the president. | ||
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| A man that I've interviewed, I've met and support. | ||
| When the assassination attempt happened, it was a shock. | ||
| It was an adrenaline rush, it was a little bit of fear. | ||
| But seeing what happened to Charlie was like, I just, it's just, I've never felt something so horrifying before. | ||
| The the the the thing that we we we we we knew logically was possible, but just didn't want to believe could happen is happening. | ||
| And so I'm gonna go sit down. | ||
| Understood. | ||
| I'm gonna just kind of close. | ||
| I'm just gonna sit back and kind of just chill out. | ||
| And I I want to say thank you to everybody who's tuned in and watched and suck here with me and uh stick around to hang out with Phil and the mayor and and Ian and everybody else. | ||
| And uh I have so much work that I still have to do. | ||
| But I'm gonna try and take some time to relax. | ||
| So again, thank you guys so much. | ||
| Love you, man. | ||
| It's an honor. | ||
| Really honored to be back here on the show. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Bro, thank you for being here. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'll see you guys. | ||
| Bye, Tim. | ||
| So um I think that we probably should jump back into what we were talking about earlier before uh before Tim came up because it's I think it's important, like Tim had said, you know, the left loves and has loved to make this point. | ||
| They they've been saying, oh, well, you know, it's both sides. | ||
| You know, the both sides are doing this, both sides are are doing this, or they'll try to falsely accuse the right of d of being, you know, doing that the right does 90% of blah blah blah. | ||
| They they leave out the entire summer when the there were riots and all the people that were killed during the riots, they weren't killed because of leftists, they were killed because of something else or whatever. | ||
| They don't talk about their own violence. | ||
| And they wanna they want to go ahead. | ||
| They don't, and then they want to qualify when violence happens on our side. | ||
| That's what makes you so angry. | ||
| I can understand emotion. | ||
| So I was listening to Sean Spicer on Two Way today, which is uh Mark Halper and Sean Spicer and Dan Terrain, and he made a great point. | ||
| And it was as if you know, Dan, who's a democratic strategist, he doesn't he wasn't really he didn't really understand what the right you know has experienced. | ||
| Whether it be the IRS in 2012 going after the Tea Party groups, or once Donald Trump was started running, if you wore a Donald Trump hat, a make America great hat, make make America great again hat, you were likely to get assaulted. | ||
| You were going to get yelled at. | ||
| The right has had essentially they've had to keep their politics secret because there's been a significant number, and it's probably less so now, to be fair. | ||
| It's probably less so right now. | ||
| But for almost a decade, if people your your boss heard that you were a conservative, you ran a serious risk of losing your job. | ||
| That's and that's not hyperbole. | ||
| So you you add all that stuff together, and then you throw in the fact that the left has been attacking people at protest or or at at on college campuses. | ||
| Remember the the three or four years where Ben Shapiro and Milo Yannopoulos would go and try to speak at colleges and they would get assaulted. | ||
| And then if they didn't get, you know, they would never really get their hands on Milo or or Ben. | ||
| So they would just attack, you know, people that were there. | ||
| And that's why you had the you know, the Proud Boys trying to defend themselves. | ||
| Everybody a lot of people remember base stickman and the bike lock guy and all these people that were fighting with Antifa. | ||
| And they had to stop because the police started arresting the people on the right. | ||
| And it was never, you never had Democrats telling the left to stop. | ||
| You never had Democrats saying, no, they need to stop this. | ||
| You actually had Democrats encouraging this. | ||
| Literally, Maxine Waters said some crazy thing. | ||
| I I don't recall the quote off the top of my head, but it was Sweeton. | ||
| She was saying if if you see the see any of these people out, and she was talking about p uh politicians. | ||
| She wasn't talking about your average conservative, but it did trickle down to the average conservative. | ||
| But she was saying if you see them out in a restaurant or out getting gas, you get in their face and you tell them that they're not welcome. | ||
| So essentially saying the people on the right aren't allowed to exist in our society. | ||
| If you go out and you make it known that you're or conservative or that you have politics that that venture from what the mainstream Democrats think is acceptable, then you're you're likely to be at the very least harangued and and people be shouting at you. | ||
| And the left has totally ignored these things. | ||
| We've had people come on this show or on the culture war. | ||
| Luke Beasley, just swearing up and down that the Democrats never do anything, never do anything. | ||
| And you Lisa Reynolds, our our booker, was on the show, and she was incensed. | ||
| And that's the reason she was incensed because it's more than just you know, ha have there been murders on from the people on the left. | ||
| It's that the right has had to keep their politics a secret or they'll get accosted. | ||
| They have to keep their ideas hush hush, or else they risk losing their job. | ||
| And this has been the way for ten years. | ||
| So now you see Charlie get murdered, and the reason people on the right are so incensed is because all of this is coming to a head. | ||
| They tried to get Donald Trump last year, and there was the two Democrats that were murdered in in Minnesota. | ||
| And that's terrible. | ||
| But the right wasn't saying that's the right wasn't screaming about how great it was. | ||
| The right wasn't making all the posts that the leftists have been making, make doing the dances and and making the merchandise, saying that's great. | ||
| And people were making merchandise about Donald Trump too. | ||
| They they they were lying about about the the ear um the bandage on his ear. | ||
| They're saying that that nothing happened, or they'll they'll mock him. | ||
| They were wearing their own bandages, mocking him. | ||
| These things are and and now there's you know, there's literally there's I saw someone on X, there's a statue of Charlie that someone made. | ||
| They they 3D printed it the moment he got shot, right? | ||
| They they made a statue of him getting shot, and they're selling it. | ||
| And the left think, oh, but it's both sides, but it's both sides. | ||
| God damn it, it's not both sides. | ||
| It's absolutely not both sides. | ||
| And I'm so sick and tired of hearing Democrats say, oh, well, Paul Pelosi. | ||
| The guy that went after Paul Pelosi had a uh, I believe he had an RV, but there were Black Live Live Matters posters in it. | ||
| There was all sorts of paraphernalia from all sorts of causes. | ||
| And he was extreme from one spectrum to the other. | ||
| And he did end up getting on to like MAGA stuff, but he was mentally ill that in a way that was not about his politics. | ||
| Like he didn't go to Paul Pelosi because he was like, Oh, I'm gonna get Paul Pelosi because I really think that Paul Pelosi is a threat to Donald Trump. | ||
| He was a nutback, but they love to bring it up and they love to say, Oh, this is see, Paul Pelosi was attacked, and so it's all the same. | ||
| They ignore the shooter that shot up the congressional baseball field, they ignore all the attacks that happened during the summer of love, they ignore the fact that Donald Trump was was there were two at least possibly three attacks on towards Donald Trump, assassination attempts, and then when it's Charlie Kirk, they're just like, oh, both sides, man, and it just drives me nuts. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| They try to have have this equivalency right argument, and they are so intolerant, they are intolerant, they're murderous. | ||
| And so I am tired myself of being lectured by the left that purport to have this monopoly on tolerance, they are the most intolerant group out there. | ||
| Um there's so much hate that comes from them. | ||
| There's all always so much restraint on the side of uh the right, and uh it's this has I and I people keep saying the phrase, but it it is a I hope a turning point. | ||
| And um we will and that's why Charlie I think was so popular. | ||
| Um he emboldened, he made it cool, like I said, for conservatism again to be on college campuses. | ||
| He made, you know, one man standing up in courage can can create an army. | ||
| And that's exactly what's happened. | ||
| Um he's given people license to go ahead and say, oh wow, okay, he's doing it. | ||
| We can go ahead and follow follow that lead. | ||
| Um and I think with what we heard from his wife tonight, uh this is only going to uh his influence, his his legacy is only gonna grow, and more and more people are going to start to stand forward. | ||
| I I like what Tim said about he wants to see all these people uh of any uh popularity, yeah, right? | ||
| Stand up and and start helping out the turning point chapters and um maybe even sponsoring it. | ||
| That thought occurred to me, you know. | ||
| I I want if my 15-year-old son didn't see this address tonight, I'm gonna make sure he sees it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Um because not only is it was it filled with um uh a a level of positivity we can get beyond, we we will be able to make it. | ||
| I mean, if anybody can say what she's that's been through what she's been through, can have that outlook on life uh and that level of positivity. | ||
| I mean, we all can and should. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, oh, you're gonna say I'll just say, I mean, and I think what was so important is she made she made it so abundant and clear what time we're in and what time it is. | ||
| I mean, if anything, the events have demonstrated that they're the left just wants to kill us. | ||
| They just want to kill us, these leftists. | ||
| But and and the thing about what's so frustrating is seeing people on the right, specifically elected officials tone policing the right and saying, Oh, well, we just need unity and peace. | ||
| And I'm sitting there like, who is the partner for unity and peace right now? | ||
| Because they've clearly demonstrated they want to. | ||
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| 100%. | ||
| You cannot, and this is the point that I made the other night. | ||
| You cannot go to the left and say, come talk to me, because they shoot you in the goddamn throat. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's exactly what Charlie Kirk was doing. | ||
| He said, Come talk to me. | ||
| He was the free speech guy. | ||
| He was the guy that said, Let me convince you. | ||
| And he got killed for it because of it. | ||
| Because they justify attacking him. | ||
| They lie about him, and it's still happening today on X on, I'm sure it's even worse on Blue Sky. | ||
| It's worse on Reddit, I'm sure. | ||
| But they still will say Charlie was a uh a fascist. | ||
| How do you get along with people that want you dead? | ||
| Like you there is no getting along. | ||
| This is why I want the DOJ to actually go and come down on these leftists that are calling for violence. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean like you're exactly what you're saying is they they're not interested in the debate. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| No. | ||
| They're not there's no changing these people's minds. | ||
| These are evil, evil people who want to destroy us. | ||
| And that's why it's so frustrating seeing this rhetoric from our elected officials because it's like, no, we need to we need you to reco all these people. | ||
| We need you to destroy this ideology forever because it's just gonna get more and more of us killed. | ||
| We're not gonna we're not gonna come and unify and have this kumbayal moment. | ||
| We're past that. | ||
| That moment's gone. | ||
| That moment, I don't know when it was, but certainly the Rubicon was crossed on Wednesday. | ||
| And I'm sick and tired of seeing this because it's just gonna get it's just gonna get more of us killed. | ||
| We need to just end this, end this forever. | ||
| There's a phrase like you can't shoot your way out of a problem. | ||
| Most problems you can't shoot your way out of. | ||
| If they're shooting, they're shooting us. | ||
| We're not shooting. | ||
| We just not us. | ||
| We we just need to prosecute them, just use the tools that we have at our disposal of the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's there's a mandate for it. | ||
| Look at the last election. | ||
| There's a mandate for it. | ||
| It's a great point. | ||
| This isn't about, like, nobody here is saying that we want to see a civil war. | ||
| What we want is the government to step in and prevent a civil war. | ||
| We are in we are in a position right now. | ||
| What's going on in this country right now is the beginning of civil conflict. | ||
| They tried to kill the president, right? | ||
| Twice last year, the the when he was running. | ||
| I ostensibly it was a conservative that killed those two lawmakers in Minnesota. | ||
| And now someone's killed Charlie Kirk. | ||
| So it's back and forth and back. | ||
| Things will get worse unless the government steps in and prevents them from getting worse. | ||
| Like how though? | ||
| Because if someone says this is good and they point at violence and they say this is good, that's totally legal. | ||
| No, no. | ||
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| You're allowed to say that stuff. | ||
| No, you need to believe these people when they tell you because they've demonstrated they'll kill you, and you have to incapacitate them before they act on it. | ||
| Even so, and I agree you do want to preempt being killed, but people are allowed to say that. | ||
| I'm not saying I'm saying destroy the ideology that's getting us killed. | ||
| Destroying an ideology is hard to do. | ||
| Yeah, I don't I don't know that destroying an ideology is demoralize them. | ||
| But well, that's something up. | ||
| That's that's that's legitimate. | ||
| All those institutions, all those NGOs liquidate all of them and allocate every dollar to every institution on the right. | ||
| I I'm I'm totally with you there. | ||
| And this is to mitigate violence. | ||
| This is not a this is not a call, this is to end violence. | ||
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| And and Donald Trump has said that they're looking into RICO cases for people like George Soros and other uh NGOs, and I want I want to see it. | ||
| I want to see these people. | ||
| Well, that's that's the I'm with you 100% on the funding of it. | ||
| Like, look at the USAID, right, and what had happened and how crazy they went because they knew the gig was up. | ||
| They knew that their funding was no longer going to be there to be able to continue out their subversion. | ||
| And so, yes, to that extent we can. | ||
| I I want to be careful though, uh, you know, Charlie Kirk, he still believed that, right? | ||
| He believed that, and he said repeatedly that we need to be able to engage in dialogue because when you don't, when that political discourse stops, that's when you have violence. | ||
| Now, we did see this atrocity and this assassination. | ||
| Um I think the reason Charlie kept doing that, I mean he's 31 years old, he'd been doing this since he was 18 years old. | ||
| He didn't need to be out there all the time on college campuses. | ||
| I think he saw, though, the turning point. | ||
| He saw that what we talked about at the beginning of the program, that 18 to 34-year-old cohort, you know, has become the most conservative in 50 years. | ||
| He saw that because of his efforts, that was what has happened. | ||
| He wanted to keep that going. | ||
| Um, no. | ||
| There's uh a certain percentage are that are absolutely crazy. | ||
| They are going to believe whatever they're going to believe. | ||
| But I think what he's proven is that you were able to take a demographic that was going the wrong way with progressivism with socialism, and he was able to persuade enough that he was able to shift what they call like the Overton window, you know, and and get these people in. | ||
| Um I think that's why he continued doing what he was doing. | ||
| And um, you know, to the extent that as Tim was saying, we can uh we have a voice, I've got a platform, I've got a microphone in the office that I am, I am in. | ||
| I'm trying to use it every day. | ||
| I get called a fascist, I get called uh names as well. | ||
| You know, we just had an article written about me just the other day. | ||
| It's it's total garbage. | ||
| Um I'm with you is people need to stop lying. | ||
| Yeah, freedom of speech is definitely there. | ||
| I think Ian, that's what you're saying. | ||
| People have freedom of speech, but there's a big difference between speaking uh political free speech and then outright just outright lying. | ||
| Like defamation of people, defamation, libel, slander. | ||
| We have those on the books. | ||
| I mean, President Trump has brought them before. | ||
| If if you're out if you're saying this over and over, this person's a fascist, this person's a fascist, this person's a fascist, this person's a Nazi, this person's a Nazi, this person's a Nazi. | ||
| The intent of that is to authorize violence. | ||
| They then in the eyes of your everyday normal American that's not particularly politically plugged in. | ||
| They look at Nazi and they think the worst bad guys of the 20th century. | ||
| Yes, Right? | ||
| Like of the most bloody century in human history, these guys were the worst in the 20th century. | ||
| So the point of that to say that these people are Nazis. | ||
| That that is not to say I disagree with their take on marginal tax rates. | ||
| That is not to say I disagree with their take on tariffs. | ||
| That is not to say I disagree with their opinion on whatever policy. | ||
| That is to say these people are an existential threat to the human race. | ||
| It's equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theater, right? | ||
| It's incendiary, that type of rhetoric, it's incitement. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that's why they're doing it. | ||
| Well, that means illegal to shout fire. | ||
| It is legal, yeah. | ||
| But I used to think it was illegal. | ||
| It was like a kind of a I'm saying is when you see a post with half a million likes where they're saying holding the same politics as Charlie Kirk warrants death, you believe those people when they say that and you act accordingly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| And to be honest with you, like I honestly think if you just had the FBI doing legwork, right? | ||
| Just you got this person says something like Tate, you know, the example that Tate laid out. | ||
| You have the FBI show up at someone's house and say, excuse me, did you make these posts? | ||
| I think that that will change hearts and minds pretty quickly. | ||
| Well, because they've demonstrated they only respond to that. | ||
| They don't respond to the debate. | ||
| And I agree with what you're saying. | ||
| There's a large chunk of the population, the sensible normal people who don't have the screw loose, who, yes, they they they are open-minded, they're willing to have a debate, that sort of thing. | ||
| That's not the people I'm talking about. | ||
| I'm talking these people on the fringe, or even these these liberals that are just radicalized, like Tim is alluding to, that have lost a sense of what the dignity of human life is like. | ||
| Those are the sorts of people where look, you you need to believe them when they say what they're saying. | ||
| Like these people aren't just trying to be bombastic. | ||
| They genuinely believe that being critical of abortion and critical of gay marriage warrants death. | ||
| That that's what they've said over and over again. | ||
| And uh that the federal government has a mandate, like Phil's saying, I mean, just doing some basic legwork. | ||
| I mean, I know it's difficult trying to reorient the entire Intel community because they've persecuted the right for so long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I understand this takes time, but when there's lives on the line, we have to get moving. | ||
| And to the people that will say, oh, well, they'll just use the government against against the conservatives, they already have, and I will say this, I will beat this dead horse. | ||
| They already have done that. | ||
| They have already used the DOJ against parents that wanted to go to PTA meetings and say, hey, I don't like that my kids are are seeing this stuff. | ||
| They use the federal department of justice to investigate parents who said, I don't want my kids being taught this particular curriculum. | ||
| So don't tell me that they won't. | ||
| And don't tell me that we can't do this because they might, because they already did. | ||
| They will do it again. | ||
| If they get into power again, the right must understand that they are going to do that again. | ||
| This the world has changed. | ||
| The world is not the same world that we lived in 10 or 15 years ago. | ||
| The struggle for power in the government now means the struggle to keep people with your political leanings out of prison. | ||
| And this was done by the Democrats. | ||
| And I don't care. | ||
| Again, I don't care that people are gonna say, well, both sides, both sides, both sides. | ||
| I am not interested in your opinion on it one bit. | ||
| They have already done these things. | ||
| So the idea that we should not use the power of government in a way that legally will hopefully prevent more violence is ridiculous. | ||
| We do have laws, and we are a nation of laws, and I'm not saying that we should go outside of the law. | ||
| But damn it, we absolutely should be using the federal government's power to the fullest extent to stop political violence. | ||
| And this is not a radical take to say we should use the government to prevent political violence. | ||
| That is not radical. | ||
| That is the very basic bottom of the barrel thing that the government should be doing. | ||
| It's about how they do it. | ||
| Because some governments, if they they call it pacification, they'll put people down at it with an with weapons, and then they'll be like, we use the government to prevent pitfalls. | ||
| That's not what we're talking about. | ||
| Like I said, we have laws, and I want to see the government stay inside the law, but I want them to use all of the tools at their that are available. | ||
| And that's why I'm very pro things like RICO laws and using RICO to go after the political, the NGOs and people that are trying to use their ideology to incite terrorist attacks. | ||
| And that's what they're doing. | ||
| The point of killing Charlie Kirk was to get people to stop talking because Charlie Kirk was the free speech guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Precisely. | ||
| Well, and they knew that when you, and I I've said this over and over again, I mean, when you have a spokesperson as articulate as Charlie Kirk, that's a big fear. | ||
| It strikes a big fear in the left because they have monopolized the educational system for so long. | ||
| And you know, I talk about this in in in my book, where over 75% of all educators, quote unquote, are socialist or flat out Marxist. | ||
| So they have controlled the educational system for so long, and Charlie knew it. | ||
| We had to get in there to start changing hearts and minds. | ||
| Um they've it's it's pretty it's pretty scary. | ||
| And and getting back to my point, they know that if you have um somebody who can articulate a conservative value set and juxtapose that with the nonsense that they have been spewing for decades. | ||
| Not the screw loose people, but the rational people will look at that and go, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| They're calling good evil and evil good. | ||
| This is nonsense. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Um they've just been hit over and over and over with that. | ||
| As Tim was saying, I I had never thought about that angle of it, um, where the racism and the white supremacy and all that uh has been pushed and uh all in the aim of getting more people to share, because if you're angry, he said you're gonna share it more. | ||
| Um, and then that that only enhances their their revenue stream. | ||
| I mean, that was really, really eye-opening those statements and kind of get at the base of why they're doing this. | ||
| Um but but if you can if you can have that uh free and open exchange of ideas, right? | ||
| That's talking conservative and and liberal viewpoint, conservatives are gonna win. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's beyond that, and that's 100% true. | ||
| And and and the extra extra thing is with Kirk, the reason he was targeted was like you're saying, because he was so articulate because he was so effective. | ||
| I mean, there's all these people online that are saying, but he was a moderate, why even bother? | ||
| And it's like you don't get it. | ||
| The reason why they targeted Kirk is because no one was more effective than him. | ||
| They don't they don't go and target radicals who are on the fringe, because what impact do they have? | ||
| They target the guys who again they occupy the mainstream and and pull it in the direction in the right direction. | ||
| They move the football down the field. | ||
| That's who they target. | ||
| And who was more effective? | ||
| Who was more paradigm shifting than Charlie Kirk? | ||
| That's why he was targeted, because like you said, he's the most articulate, he was the most effective. | ||
| That's why, and that's that should be a model for every young guy, because you need to be very careful with how how you're carrying yourself. | ||
| Use Kirk as an example of what an actual paradigm changer looks like. | ||
| He was someone that he was someone that just stepped in the arena every day and pushed the football further down the field every single day. | ||
| And he wasn't getting sidetracked with all this insanity. | ||
| He wasn't getting himself in trouble, he wasn't getting himself put on lists. | ||
| He was effective, focused, calculated, and prudent. | ||
| And to follow up your football analogy, not every single play has to be a touchdown. | ||
| Precisely. | ||
| You just have to move it a few yards, move the ball down the field a few yards every time you get up. | ||
| Every day, you push just a little bit more. | ||
| Yeah, and that is a that's enough to win the game. | ||
| That's enough to win at life. | ||
| Just get up and work a little bit every day. | ||
| And that's how you win. | ||
| Tim was here making a we were talking before the show, and Tim was talking about, you know, how he was talking about Deathcab for Cutie, a band that he likes, and he was like, So how did you guys do it? | ||
| And And they said exactly what I did with all that remains. | ||
| He's like, well, we just never stopped. | ||
| You just keep doing it. | ||
| You know, and you get your you get better at your craft. | ||
| And that's what Tim did here. | ||
| Tim used to just be one guy sitting down talking to a camera and he'd put up his videos on YouTube. | ||
| Well, and and to use the maybe the football or the sports analogy even further. | ||
| There, there's offense, you know, getting it down the field, but I think there's also defense. | ||
| And this is what we have to know. | ||
| You have to be aware of what your enemy is, what their playbook is, what they're capable of. | ||
| And I think that's what you became so passionate about, Phil, when you were just talking, is that that is exactly their playbook. | ||
| They use this incendiary rhetoric. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They they will malign and mischaracterize somebody like Charlie Kirk so that they can justify an outcome. | ||
| And they also dehumanize people. | ||
| Um that is that is something we've seen. | ||
| I mean, look at it. | ||
| You had it with Hillary Clinton, um that was the guns and butter comment from Obama all the way back to Obama. | ||
| It was almost 10 years ago. | ||
| And then you had Biden with the garbage comment, right? | ||
| And that's when people they you have to know, you've got to go into it with the blinders off. | ||
| Yes, move the football downfield, emulate the style of Charlie Kirk, be the happy warrior, get in there, engage in civil political discourse, um to the degree that you can, but at the same time, you've got to understand who you're dealing with. | ||
| Understanding the enemy is my specialty, is one of the things I do because I think outside the box that's in the box. | ||
| Um, and what's there's this guy, Chase Hughes, he's a behavioral scientist, he's on the behavioral panel on YouTube, great show, where was in the Navy for 20 years or something, behavioral expert. | ||
| He says, Okay, the fringes, get ready. | ||
| What's gonna happen is the media is gonna start showing you these people on the fringes. | ||
| Doesn't matter, the left-right paradigm is the psyop. | ||
| They're gonna show you people on the fringes, and they're gonna start telling you other, other enemy, other, and it's gonna be repeated, and it's these damn fringes, this one two percent of the population, if that, that's gonna be shoved down your throat. | ||
| Now, who's doing that? | ||
| Well, there's algorithms in place, but who owns the companies? | ||
| BlackRock, is that even an American company at this point? | ||
| Who are these people that are running this media machine that's forcing people to see the fringes over and over again? | ||
| That's the enemy. | ||
| Whoever this this if it might even be a system, it may not even be a person, it may be a system that we have to fight against. | ||
| It could end up being artificial intelligence running us into the ground, you know. | ||
| But we need to firstly we need to be impervious to the attack vector, which is don't let yourself get brainwashed by it. | ||
| You gotta put it down. | ||
| Uh rage is addictive. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I I've been there. | ||
| So you need to learn how to how to strip it away and feel naked without it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like you guys are talking about knowing your enemy, you always have the you have to go back to late 2022 when Biden gave that speech in front of Independence Hall and in Philadelphia with the red lights behind him, and he got up there and he effectively declared MAGA Republicans as an insurgency as a threat to the he used the words a threat to the soul of the nation. | ||
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| Because he was anticipating that he'd crushed us forever. | ||
| He wasn't anticipating people like Charlie Kirk were going to dust themselves off and get back on the saddle. | ||
| He did he thought it was done, and he thought he could resign us to the history books forever. | ||
| And people like Charlie Kirk refused to give up, they got back on the saddle and they moved that football further down the field. | ||
| I don't even think Biden wrote that speech either. | ||
| Like who wrote that? | ||
| An evil person. | ||
| Somebody with an agenda. | ||
| A despicable person wrote that. | ||
| Someone that makes mistakes wrote that because that was an absolute error. | ||
| And someone that has terrible, terrible optics or terrible instincts. | ||
| They they just did not anticipate. | ||
| They did not anticipate that we're gonna go they thought we were gonna go away forever. | ||
| That's exactly what they thought was gonna. | ||
| They thought that was Biden taking a victory lap. | ||
| That was the regime taking a victory lap on that day, and I'll never forget it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, in in the annals of history, when you look at that that speech, I mean, the people, the way it was framed, it was, you know, with the red and the red and the Star Wars esque. | ||
| Yeah, like the Marines behind him. | ||
| And normally, like Marines with the the dress whites on, they look they look great, you know. | ||
| The regime chest beating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were saying that was that was that was the the regime standing over MAGA and the ring, chest beating, thinking that we are down for the count. | ||
| And and and guy and guys like Charlie Kirk, they just got back, they got back up and they and now look where we are now. | ||
| I think it's happening. | ||
| The liberal economic order, you know, the war machine basically built in 1949 after World War II to protect the world from communism. | ||
| It was set up to control the Earth's economic economy and destroy communism. | ||
| So in 1989, the wall comes down, Soviet Union falls apart. | ||
| Communism, Marxism disappears. | ||
| We have communist China, they're not Marxists. | ||
| And so we've basically this liberal economic order that's built to destroy communism is no longer needed. | ||
| We we it it and but it's like a hammer looking for a nail. | ||
| It's like we gotta we gotta find the end, we gotta destroy comedy. | ||
| What would you say is going on in Europe right now, then um in what in what sense? | ||
| Well, I mean, the the way that they're behaving, right? | ||
| The way that the Europeans are behaving, it doesn't seem like they care much for liberalism, democracy, or any of the things that they're intend that they would ostensibly say they do. | ||
| I think that the order that that's controlling the media apparatus, the liberal economic order, is is like a dying vestige of a system that we don't need. | ||
| Like taking over the world militarily was their goal. | ||
| It was a military victory, and they figured out, oh, we can't do it. | ||
| Same with the Romans. | ||
| They couldn't do it. | ||
| They didn't have the technology to control the earth. | ||
| We couldn't do it. | ||
| China and Russia are too independent, India's too independent. | ||
| So they're still but but aspects of it are still trying to control the world through military force and importing, you know, villains to sh clamp down on their populism. | ||
| This is part. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this it's part of the the whole NATO argument, too, right? | ||
| It's uh the hammer and nail uh concept because NATO, what was it built for to go ahead and deter communism from continuing the the the Russia march into Eastern Europe, and then 89 happens. | ||
| Um and I in in part of the research my book too, I was shocked. | ||
| We've spent twenty-two trillion dollars, the U.S. in NATO since its inception, if you did not know that. | ||
| Twenty-two trillion dollars. | ||
| President Trump, thank goodness, gets in there again, he's like, look, this is nonsense. | ||
| You're going from two percent to five percent, right? | ||
| And countries are now starting uh to hopefully take care of their own uh defense. | ||
| Um that's been the issue, you know, for fr uh uh at the front was uh with Ukraine uh on that war with respect to NATO and entering NATO and all that. | ||
| But uh that's I I I I hear what you're saying. | ||
| Um that that liberal economic order, um, you're talking Bretton Woods, you know, post-World War II, uh, that was that was stood up. | ||
| You know, perhaps there's something uh there's something there to it. | ||
| But I uh this is uh this is time for all of us to stand up. | ||
| You know, I was just sitting there checking my phone, I I I saw some text messages come in flooding in. | ||
| Uh people love the fact that I'm on Timcast, by the way. | ||
| Great news. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Um but they they said, look, one person, a friend of mine in particular said, I am done. | ||
| And this is somebody I would have never expected to make these comments, right? | ||
| Just based on they watched, they watched the show tonight, they watched Erica, and he said, quote, I am done being the silent part of the silent majority. | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| Good. | ||
| And here with the grace of God, I we are going to get there. | ||
| We are gonna have, I think this is going to start to take off. | ||
| I think you've got millions of people like my friend who just sent that text message and saying it's time to send up. | ||
| Forget it. | ||
| Gloves off, we want to move the ball down the field, we know what time it is, we're awake, we know who we're dealing with, these monsters that want to dehumanize us that view us as garbage, and given the opportunity, right, as you pointed out, they are gonna wield the levers of governmental power as far as they possibly can. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They've done it before. | ||
| There's no question that when uh when the Democrats get back in power, if there has not been a significant cultural change in the United States, they absolutely will use the levers of government against their political rivals. | ||
| You know what you when you were saying like the we need to encourage the government to you know tamp this thing down, the the violent rhetoric, um, that the imagery you said there a shirt was printed of Charlie with the his neck wheel. | ||
| Someone 3D printed a statue Of Charlie when he like the moment he was shot. | ||
| That might be they're mad. | ||
| That's a blurry line. | ||
| That that might be considered a lead. | ||
| Like you might be able to consider that illegal. | ||
| It's not just saying it's like showing the imagery of someone getting killed over and over again when it that's kind of like if someone made a deep fake of me getting killed and they put it on the internet and they played it over and over. | ||
| I feel like I I would like a legal recourse to have that taken down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, listen, um, it's getting a little late, so we're gonna go to super chats now. | ||
| So uh smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know. | ||
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| There's no after show tonight, uh, because it's Friday, but we will be back on Monday with uh hopefully more positive news and stuff. | ||
| But for right now, we are going to read some of your super chats. | ||
| From Billy the Crayon says, I put up flyers today around my school with a picture of Charlie Kirk asking for prayers for him and his family. | ||
| They were immediately taken down, and now I'm facing retaliation from the school. | ||
| My school is a certain aeronautic school in New York City. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| So this just illustrative of the point that I've been trying to make. | ||
| The guy was just murdered. | ||
| And they'll say, Oh, this is inflammatory, right? | ||
| Though that I I don't know, obviously, I'm not the the kid or our our uh super chatter. | ||
| But they will say, Well, you can't put these up because this is inflammatory. | ||
| Just for saying, you know, hey, what what exactly was it that he said? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| He said, uh with a picture asking for prayers, asking for prayers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because this is where we need to um, you know, we were talking about it earlier, where we need to be able to call these people out, these so-called administrators, these so-called educators. | ||
| Um and and you know, the the the longer game here is to ensure that we have school choice, that we end up getting out of just the monopoly that is government runs schools. | ||
| Um, they've been so far infiltrated with uh with these types of individuals that I it it's we've got to start voting with our feet. | ||
| And I'm talking about parents and standing up and uh having the ability to get their kids out of out of hell holes like that. | ||
| Yeah, homeschool your kids. | ||
| Uh let's see. | ||
| We've got uh Quantum Strange Quark. | ||
| Oh, where'd that go? | ||
| Said uh the killing of Charlie Kirk reminded me of this quote. | ||
| I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve. | ||
| I tell you what, if if Erica's speech is anything to go by, uh, I think that you might be right, or that quote might be you know correct about our situation. | ||
| That's a wild one. | ||
| Is that from the Germans? | ||
| No, that's from uh Japanese Admiral Yamamoto in World War II after Pearl Harbor regarding U USA or after the hardware attack. | ||
| Uh that's a really good quote. | ||
| Yes, man. | ||
| Uh Wyatt Caldenberg says Mao's guerrilla warfare said, When your enemy is strong, run and hide. | ||
| When your enemy is weak, attack. | ||
| The right is wrong to cancel events and do other weak things. | ||
| This only tells the left to attack. | ||
| That wasn't Mao. | ||
| That was Sun Tzu. | ||
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| That was the art of war. | ||
| That's way, way earlier in China. | ||
| Long, long before Mao. | ||
| Mao ironically tried to get rid of all that stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mao tried to end all the old Chinese history and said, I went to high school in Singapore, so I know all the old Chinese stuff, but that's very different than China. | ||
| It's not the same thing, but uh, yeah, anyways. | ||
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| Let's see. | ||
| What do we got? | ||
| Uh Traitor Potato said, Of course, the demons on the left are celebrating the death of a great man, a sobering reminder of the spiritual war that we're all in. | ||
| My prayer is when I die, all of hell rejoices that I am out of the fight. | ||
| C.T. Stud. | ||
| Was it actually stud was his name? | ||
| Uh I don't know. | ||
| I don't think it was actually CT stud, but whatever. | ||
| I think that I think he he might have he might have meant like a Chad meme, but on the uh in the in the chat. | ||
| Head on over to Rumble. | ||
| Spork which says, responding to Erica stating Charlie's goal should he run for office. | ||
| We need to push to repeal no fault divorce, restore actual marriage in the U.S. It's the first and necessary step for his vision. | ||
| Look, Spork Witch. | ||
| I do think that that's probably, or that would probably be a good thing. | ||
| Uh you're gonna have a whole lot of wine moms that are gonna be pushing back. | ||
| So we have our work cut out for us, but take heart, because there was a long time where people thought there is no way Roe versus Wade is ever getting overturned. | ||
| That is settled law and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I don't know the the specifics around no fault divorce. | ||
| Um I know that Roe was a bad law. | ||
| It was a poorly decided, it was a poor it was a bad decision, and they were just justifying their decision because they wanted to they wanted to make that decision. | ||
| And when you actually look at the particulars of the case, it was a it was badly decided. | ||
| So uh that's part of why Roe actually got turned over. | ||
| Yeah, it's and it's led to the destabilization of the family, this whole no fault divorce. | ||
| That's it's it's been exp exponential since then. | ||
| I talk about that in my book. | ||
| We started out in the 1950s around 10% um of uh households or or children growing up in single parent households, it went up to 30 percent uh in some communities like the African American community, it's over sixty percent. | ||
| You know, my my friend in Congressman Burgess Owens talks about this all the time when he grew up in the era he said of Jim Crow in the Deep South, you know, the black community were small business owners that was taught um the family, marriage that was talked about all the time, and it was also celebrated, and it isn't today. | ||
| And Charlie, in his messaging in a college campuses, you could hear him say that, you know, you talk about the woman actually marrying the government, right? | ||
| Yeah, that was by design is that they in the 1960s they basically rolled out all these programs that made it economically more advantageous, sadly, for uh people to get divorced and uh women to be on um uh you know assistance, and uh that that has truly uh been a tragedy in terms of policy. | ||
| I have a friend that worked with like domestic abuse survivors, and she was like, I was like, should we get rid of no fault divorce? | ||
| Because it seems to me like it had destroyed the like people's faith in each other, like maybe she's gonna be gone tomorrow. | ||
| She's like, No, we cannot get rid of no fault divorce because the amount of abuse that women suffered before that and would if they weren't able to leave and they can't prove it in court that he hit her or that he's threatening her. | ||
| That was her argument. | ||
| That was only a few weeks ago. | ||
| So I've that's been ruminating. | ||
| Well, I don't think so, given the uh the domestic violence uh uh statutes that are in place right now. | ||
| I know that I'm somewhat familiar with um being a mayor, being the chief law enforcement officer of my community, and uh sadly, yeah, we do get a lot of cases for domestic violence and um you know those uh those things are outlined pretty well to well I I think today that that might not not cause uh I mean they do have cell phones, like a woman can just kick her phone, record it and put it in the drawer, you know, if it's really going down, but then you can deepfake it. | ||
| The one gamer says the worst thing to do is respond violently. | ||
| Don't destroy what Charlie helped build by being violent. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| That's why we're advocating for the government to do it. | ||
| We want to see the federal government who has the monopoly on violence to fix the problem because what we're seeing now is people taking the problem into their own hands, shooting at Trump, killing the uh democratic lawmakers in Minnesota, and then killing Charlie Kirk. | ||
| That's what happens when people take the initiative and and think I can fix this. | ||
| That's not what we want. | ||
| What we want is the federal government to use its vast power and to look for ways to prevent these things from happening and to take apart the organizations that spread this ideology because those organizations have a desire to destroy the United States. | ||
| They want to see the U.S. destroyed. | ||
| They don't believe in our Republican form of government. | ||
| They want to see a different form of government, and that is an attack on not just the federal government, but that's an attack on the American people. | ||
| We have a right to Republican government. | ||
| And we have not decided as a population that we want to change that form of of government. | ||
| So we want the federal government to defend us from those that would destroy our way of life. | ||
| You know, with Palant the rise of Palantir and the spy network that's being built with i cause when Charlie, after they were like, what how was it the shooters at large, then all the security footage came out was like, thank God we got security footage. | ||
| And then like it's like I'm begging for the security state. | ||
| Like this this apparatus that's being built around us is it 'cause it will prevent crime, but if you need to break an evil law, can't really do it if everybody's spying on you twenty four seven. | ||
| It just feels like that's the the path that if we're like let the government fix it, they're gonna be like spy tech everywhere. | ||
| Well I mean we actually do have the ability to choose a different path. | ||
| We can use the levers of pressure on the government. | ||
| Look, Donald Trump is extremely responsive, right? | ||
| When he is he is proposing a policy and if the American people are like no no and there are enough people making noise he will actually re you know he will rethink the policy and see and he will look for stuff that actually seems popular. | ||
| Now whether or not the American people know the right go ahead well I I think to Tate's point, right, it's it's these Rico cases, it's defunding these malactors, um the system that you referred to Ian where you may have uh these systems that are monetizing um sowing all this discord, right? | ||
| To the extent the government can prevent that from happening I think is um is something that is not only within their purview but something that I think that that should be done. | ||
| That's what they're that's what I'm hearing them say. | ||
| I gotta ask you this good question because you're the chief law enforcement enforcement officer of your city. | ||
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| And so I talk a lot about law and chaos, order and chaos and then also good and evil. | ||
| And sometimes you have law that's evil and chaos that's good, like Robin Hood or something. | ||
| How do you as the law as the chief enforcement officer how do you handle that? | ||
| Like if you believe a law might be evil do you feel a duty to break that law to and do the good thing to violate the law. | ||
| But but your duty is to uphold the law. | ||
| So like what do you do well this this is uh getting to why moral governments uh in my book I've got six pillars you know I I say the whole thesis of it heirs of the revolution um by Trent Staggs by me. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| is we need, because of President Trump's victory, we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get back to the level of government that our founders bequeathed us. | ||
| We actually inherited. | ||
| That's why it's heirs of the revolution. | ||
| And I actually cite JFK in his inaugural address, a Democrat, I did it intentionally, that he actually said, used that phrase, heirs of the revolution. | ||
| He understood that we had inalienable rights, life, liberty, property, control acquisition of property is the pursuit of happiness, that these are inalienable. | ||
| They come from our creator, he said, and not from the, quote, generosity of the state. | ||
| And that was so unique about the America American experiment um and that is why all law is really moral because any law that you have ultimately the punishment of takes away life liberty property. | ||
| And that's why we need to have a moral basis. | ||
| And so one of my six pillars is not just restoring citizenship, elections, it's restoring moral governance. | ||
| That's why John Adams had said that our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people and is wholly inadequate to any other. | ||
| There is a reason for that. | ||
| It's because law is actually in our American republic. | ||
| It has to be based on morality. | ||
| But you said if you break, the law has to be good because if you break it, you will lose your property. | ||
| But that sounds like, but what if the law is some horrible, evil law that got passed? | ||
| like the Nazi regime and then you're like what do I think we still have a constitution that limits the government. | ||
| We still have and states have constitutions th as well. | ||
| So yes you do you do have to be wary of bad laws but they also have to stand up to constitutional scrutiny of the states and of the federal government. | ||
| The federal government is limited by the Bill of Rights in in spec specific things um but it's all also the the powers that it does have are outlined in the Constitution. | ||
| So well first then I guess to answer my question you appeal to the federal constitution. | ||
| Not necessarily you can start with the state level because all the states have a constitution as well. | ||
| And then You just pray that the Constitution is good or we we constantly amend it to make sure it's always up to par so that we can well like if if some lawmakers were like we passed the new bill and now we're gonna do evil thing and you're like then you can then you can appeal to judges and then if the judge in the district court that you uh are appealing to say no we're gonna uphold this law you then can appeal to the higher court and so on. | ||
| We have we have a process for this. | ||
| So were you gonna say, Sergeant? | ||
| I was just saying we should get to some more of the chats. | ||
| Yeah, thanks to me to be that guy. | ||
| I really appreciate that. | ||
| Thanks, guys. | ||
| Jay Shields says, after working since 6 a.m. and working out, I came home to find my wife crying over Charlie. | ||
| Now I'm watching the widow of a good man exude strength in her darkest hour while I hold mine in my arms. | ||
| I have never been more moved. | ||
| You're all good men. | ||
| Do not relent. | ||
| Cheers, man. | ||
| Never surrender. | ||
| Well, man. | ||
| Is that the Jake Shields? | ||
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| J Shields. | ||
| J Shields, not Jake. | ||
| No, that was not Jim. | ||
| It's a very different Jay Shields. | ||
| Uh Shields. | ||
| Uh let's see. | ||
| Mike the Mike the WAP says, What game is Tim playing while this while this woman pours her heart out? | ||
| You're a jerk. | ||
| He wasn't playing a game. | ||
| It wasn't playing on comms. | ||
| Wasn't clash of clans, guys. | ||
| Don't unbelievable. | ||
| You won't Tim won't join my clan on Clash of Clans. | ||
| Don't worry, it's not classic land. | ||
| On the same topic, here's another one right there, Phil that. | ||
| Luxon says, Tim, I'm sorry, I'm just angry and sad. | ||
| I made the comment about your phone. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| Also, bro, they killed off our ramp to the mass divide. | ||
| So a lot of us feel on edge that more violence is coming. | ||
| Look, we all do. | ||
| And that's why, you know, sitting around this table, um, we've been saying for multiple years, where's the off ramp? | ||
| We've been looking for it. | ||
| We have been trying to figure out how we can stop the the terrible things that are laying in front of us if we don't change, you know, if there's isn't some kind of change. | ||
| And I think that it has to be societal. | ||
| Tim's talked about changing the culture, you know, and and that being an important way. | ||
| And it's true, and it's it's working, because if it wasn't working, people would still be afraid to to go out in public wearing a Donald Trump hat, or people wouldn't have been uh courageous enough to vote for Donald Trump. | ||
| So it's working, but it's a slow process. | ||
| So hopefully uh we can make the changes we need before things get too bad. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| JJ Mack Gay says, Y'all need to read the gospels about Jesus' life. | ||
| More important, more importantly, read about Jesus' betrayal and death. | ||
| Put yourself in the disciple's shoes. | ||
| Charlie's story is a fractal of Christ. | ||
| First Corinthians 11 1. | ||
| So I uh I don't know that particular verse, but uh it's probably a good idea to to check out the Bible's got a lot of wisdom in it. | ||
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| What up to P Soupy said P Soupy says this won't be popular as much as I want his killer to also face the sword. | ||
| Somehow I believe Charlie wouldn't want him to. | ||
| Tate, you said God loves us. | ||
| He also loves Charlie's killer. | ||
| I don't know, this sucks. | ||
| Look, you're a hundred percent right. | ||
| That's what Charlie would want, and anybody that knows anything about Christianity knows that Christ would say forgive him. | ||
| And if if the killer repents and says, Hey, look, I know what I did was wrong, and and I'm throwing myself at the Lord at the mercy of the Lord, he would forgive him. | ||
| But humans aren't the Lord, and we have a justice system, and the justice system is going to you know, going to run its course. | ||
| Well, that's why murder is so difficult, because the restitution component of the repentance process. | ||
| Yes, how do you make restitution for somebody once their life is gone? | ||
| Yeah, that's what they call biblical justice with respect to um this in particular. | ||
| Um right, we're gonna go ahead and read one more. | ||
| What do we got? | ||
| What was that? | ||
| We'll keep rolling for a little bit. | ||
| It's rock and roll. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Uh Ken A says, based on Tim's waters appearance, sounds like we need to get people spending time online posing, behaving as kids and see what gets sent their way, treat this like people online catching predators. | ||
| I mean, I don't have a particular problem. | ||
| Like I don't have a principled problem against trying to lure out criminals. | ||
| Um I think that it's fine. | ||
| I think that it's fine when when people do it with predators. | ||
| I don't know that it would be particularly efficacious, though. | ||
| Like, I don't know that it's going to produce the results you want. | ||
| Because as much as much as we want to find the people that might commit crime, like committed a violent act, they in a country of 350 million or 330 million, they are still fairly you know, fairly rare when you're dealing with political violence. | ||
| When you're when you're talking about political violence, it's it's not something that that's particularly common. | ||
| Now, obviously, as the temperature is raised, it is becoming more common, and we don't want to see them become more common, but it has. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I would defer to law enforcement as to what the best means is to do that. | ||
| I don't know if you have some kind of input on that. | ||
| Do you think that honeypots are a good idea to find terrorists in anime chat rooms? | ||
| Oh gosh. | ||
| Well, I any any way we can uh root out evil, um I uh boy. | ||
| That is that is something that we need to be able to definitely be able to do. | ||
| Um But that's I I've I've seen that uh I've seen like the ICAC program that our police department participates in with others. | ||
| Um it is it is just rather alarming the extent to which uh some people go and actually commit those types of uh those types of crimes. | ||
| But I I think what I was hearing from Tim though uh on the on the water show was uh Jesse Waters was that we need to be able to have um uh understand where the sowing the seeds of contention are coming from, and a lot of it seemingly is much more systemic than we we thought, and it's it it because there is this revenue or profit motive on the part of some of this big tech. | ||
| It's they found that we're driving and they're able to share more so uh angry posts and they try to incite that type of uh that type of anger uh and reaction from folks. | ||
| Um so I I know there's a lot of lawsuits from the various states, even Utah has been suing a lot of the social media channels and el and others um for a lot, a lot of this addictive type of behavior that the social media companies have been really propagating on the American people for so long. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Uh I got two more I want to read over real fast here. | ||
| So let me get the other one for you uh that I had up there. | ||
| Was it the Buddy Rabbit one? | ||
| Uh the one that was above it one second here. | ||
| This one right here, I think from Jonathan McCormick. | ||
| Jonathan McCormick says Charlie lived a life publicly that many of us strive to live every day. | ||
| Being a good father, a loving husband, strong in faith, having the courage to share and debate ideas, proclaim Christ, and they killed him for it. | ||
| That's why it's so painful. | ||
| I mean, all of those are legitimate reasons as to why it's so painful. | ||
| Uh there's I I can't say that you know there aren't other reasons that I think it it's particularly painful, but I I think that everything you said is right on the money. | ||
| I think that's something that said was they killed him. | ||
| I've been hearing this a lot that they killed Charlie. | ||
| And I'm like, it was a guy, but and then I'm starting to think of the algorithmic incitation where it makes people crazy. | ||
| It's like, who is they? | ||
| Is it even a is it an emergent thing that caused this guy? | ||
| Was it a cabal of people involved? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, I think I I think yes, it was one guy, it one one shooter in particular. | ||
| But I I have to think, and coming from Utah and knowing uh the the people in Washington County, like this guy came from Washington City and then went up to Utah State University, it's what we were talking about, how the educational system, particularly higher education, is a cesspool of woke indoctrination. | ||
| So I think the they perhaps when people are referring to that, at least what I think of, is all those that contributed to the indoctrination. | ||
| How do we how do we fail this kid? | ||
| 22 years old, that he thinks somehow over the course of just a short period of time as he goes into university. | ||
| Like what's going through his mind and get him to that stage that he thinks it's okay to go place himself on a rooftop, get a.30-06 bolt-action rifle and shoot somebody who, as this person, this viewer has said, was such a great, great person that all they did was try to espouse. | ||
| You know, Christianity and open free debate, exchange of ideas, they killed him for it. | ||
| And that's what he said makes it so painful, and I agree. | ||
| But I think the they is this, you know, how this kid got radicalized and went from what I can't believe that he was that way early on in his earlier years. | ||
| Last one right here. | ||
| Yeah, from Buddy Rabbit says, we don't have a choice. | ||
| We needed him as our quarterback. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Still need to complete the season. | ||
| Still need to play the game. | ||
| Still need to fight. | ||
| Remember, Charlie wasn't a victim. | ||
| He was the victor. | ||
| They had no rebuttal. | ||
| We won the argument. | ||
| Do not stop. | ||
| Amen, man. | ||
| I tell you what. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Couldn't have said it better. | ||
| So I am going to, I think we're going to wrap it up here. | ||
| So Mayor Steggs, if you want to shout anything out, talk about your books, go ahead. | ||
| Oh, well, no, thank you. | ||
| It's an honor to be here again on the show, guys. | ||
| It really, really is. | ||
| And I, it's, it is a very, very difficult week. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| It's painful for folks. | ||
| As Erica indicated, I think we need to seek out God's help without a doubt. | ||
| We need, we need the comfort of the Holy Spirit right now. | ||
| That's what it's there for and intended to do and to be able to comfort us and get us through such challenging times. | ||
| But I'm really grateful for the show and all that you guys are doing too, to bring about this type of societal change and to get us back into a majority conservative state. | ||
| Yeah, the, the book that I, that I wrote, Heirs of the Revolution, which Charlie Kirk has had endorsed. | ||
| I tell you, he's such a remarkable guy. | ||
| And Tim and I were talking about this earlier that whenever he would reach out, you know, Charlie would instantly respond. | ||
| And, and he's right. | ||
| You know, I'm fortunate enough to have great friends like Charlie Kirk, like Cash Patel, Carrie Lake, Senator Mike Lee that have all endorsed this book. | ||
| It's, it's very short by design, only about 170 pages. | ||
| I don't like some of these books that could, you know, are so, so cumbersome to get through, but. | ||
| it really is a roadmap on how we get back to the Republic because what I heard over and over again um when I was campaigning uh when I went around to national events the levels of freedom and liberty that we were given by our founders back in 1787 with the with the Constitution is not the same that we have today. | ||
| I think any objective person observer would agree with that statement um because we have had so much uh regulation and taxation and everything else that's been burdening us over the course of the past um you know 250 years now and mostly in the last a hundred but this is a roadmap to how we get back to that level of freedom. | ||
| I don't think we need another revolution I think we need a restoration. | ||
| It's already there. | ||
| It was ours. | ||
| We are the inheritors. | ||
| That's why I use the phrase heirs of the revolution. | ||
| So this is a roadmap on how we get back there through these six pillars. | ||
| And I would appreciate everybody checking it out. | ||
| It is on Amazon through Kindle or paperback or hardback. | ||
| Might I see a copy? | ||
| I'd like to hold it up. | ||
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| This is heirs of the revolution. | ||
| We talked a little bit about graphene before the show. | ||
| That was pretty fun. | ||
| And about the fuel sources and how $36 trillion in debt if your fuel costs one-tenth the cost, maybe it's only $3.6 trillion in debt. | ||
| in real good to see you man thanks for coming brother and thanks Phil and Tate and Serge always a pleasure Surge hey guys thanks for being here this week and and every day thank you very much I'm Ian Crosslin. | ||
| See you later guys um yeah yeah uh Christ saves Charlie reiterated reiterated that over and over again um and once again I know I know I'm speaking to someone in particular but you you felt the pull of Christ these last few days. | ||
| It's been a really tough emotional few days for everyone. | ||
| Charlie spoke to so many people. | ||
| Um so yeah, you feel free to message me. | ||
| I won't be able to get to every message probably, but if if you've been struggling with with your with the state of your soul or have questions about salvation, you know, we're all figuring it out, obviously. | ||
| But um Christ is the way, Christ saves. | ||
| Um so yeah, you can follow me on on X and Instagram at RealTate Brown. | ||
| Like I said, my my messages are open. | ||
| I'll I'll try to get to as many as I can. | ||
| But um yeah, stay strong, never surrender. | ||
| We will see you guys. | ||
| Oh, uh I'm Phil at Remains on Twix. | ||
| You can follow the band all that remains on YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pi Pandora, Spotify, Deezer and all those places. | ||
| Uh we will see you guys on Monday. | ||
| There will be clips going up this weekend and uh Tim will be back Monday. | ||
| I'll be here. | ||
| I'm not sure who's gonna who the guest is, but uh we will well skate tomorrow. | ||
| Oh, yes, the skate, uh the skate, uh go to boonies.com or uh what's the boonies YouTube page? | ||
| YouTube.com slash boonies. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Boonies HQ. | ||
| Is it Booneys HQ? | ||
| I think it might be Boonies.com. | ||
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| Yeah, Boonies HQ.com. | ||
| Go there, there'll be the skate competition tomorrow. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
| I'm not a skater and I still think it's cool. |
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