Sept. 11, 2025 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| Today Charlie Kirk was assassinated at an event in Utah. | ||
| I'm sure most of you have already seen the news by now. | ||
| We've all been talking about it quite a bit. | ||
| The videos that emerge at a Utah are shocking. | ||
| There is some uh news. | ||
| The FBI states that they have a subject in custody. | ||
| We don't know exactly what this means or what's happening. | ||
| Videos have emerged that show an individual running across the rooftop at the event. | ||
| And uh Charlie Kirk has lost his life. | ||
| Donald Trump has issued a statement and has ordered flags, uh lowered to half staff. | ||
| There's some uh uh very respectful and honorable things that I've seen. | ||
| Uh the Yankees had a moment of silence for Charlie. | ||
| And there's a lot to talk about in the news. | ||
| What this means. | ||
| It is it almost feels completely unreal and unbelievable to have to do a show starting by saying that they k they killed Charlie Kirk. | ||
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Uh heck of a day to join us, Chuck. | |
| Charlie Kirk was an icon. | ||
| He did so much in our country, did so much in Wyoming where I'm from. | ||
| I've been on the phone with Turning Point students all day from across Wyoming. | ||
| He just did an event in in late April at the University of Wyoming, and he spent three hours taking questions, debating, talking about the truth. | ||
| And he formed Turning Point USA to say we need to have a dialogue on college campuses. | ||
| He's talked about this so eloquently so many times. | ||
| That's why he he started it. | ||
| Do you want to just give a quick introduction? | ||
| Yeah, I'm Chuck Ray, the Wyoming Secretary of State, uh chief election official for the state of Wyoming, also serves as the second in command, the lieutenant governor in Wyoming, and uh really sad about today's events. | ||
| Thanks for joining. | ||
| Uh normally I tell the guests it's gonna be a fun one, but this is going to be a substantially more serious and uh painful one. | ||
| But uh Libby is here as well. | ||
| Yep, I'm Libby Emmons. | ||
| I'm um actually glad to be here among friends to talk about um Charlie's passing and to remember him. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| A lot, Eliyahu, White House correspondent here at Timcast. | ||
| Ian. | ||
| Hey, I'm glad to be here. | ||
| Um Charlie was uh I only spent a couple times hanging out with him and did a couple shows with Charlie, but he's one of the greatest. | ||
| All right, let's move on, man. | ||
| Let's let's take this talk. | ||
| Hey, Phil. | ||
| How are you doing? | ||
| Uh my name is Philibante, I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, all that remains. | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| Behind Phil, we put up our autographed signed Charlie Kirk poster. | ||
| Uh several years ago, he joined us for a debate on Timcast IRL with the progressive leftist Vosh, and he signed it for us, and we put it up. | ||
| I uh where do we start? | ||
| Um Charlie was doing what Charlie always does. | ||
| He was doing events where he engages with college kids. | ||
| He allows anybody who wants to come and talk to him to talk to him. | ||
| He epitomized what these progressives and these liberals have long called for, which is democracy. | ||
| He said, Okay, we'll have the conversation, we'll have the debate. | ||
| That's all they ever did. | ||
| It was an above board organization. | ||
| It is turning point action and turning point USA as well as Turning Point UK and all of their affiliates are typical, on the level, proper filing, all the good stuff to function fairly and honorably in a democratic republican form of government. | ||
| And he got killed. | ||
| Now there is some information we that we can show you what's going on in social media. | ||
| Let me see if I can uh see if I can find this. | ||
| I don't even know if we should show some of these tweets. | ||
| I'm not going to show this one. | ||
| There's a tweet that people have surfaced where someone says that they hope something happens to Charlie, and then they followed up by saying something will happen tomorrow. | ||
| Who's who said that? | ||
| It's a it's an anonymous Twitter U uh X account. | ||
| I think they've found the person behind it. | ||
| Uh Cash as it has made a statement. | ||
| Now, you know, I'll pull this up from uh uh postmoneyal. | ||
| Suspect in Charlie Kirk assassination in the case. | ||
| There's actually been an update on that. | ||
| Um the article? | ||
| Uh no, the article hasn't been updated because I just got the update just now. | ||
| Cash Patel said the suspect in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. | ||
| Our investigation continues, and we will continue to release information in interest of transparency. | ||
| So that's actually the uh the second suspect who has been released today. | ||
| They don't know who did it. | ||
| They have no idea. | ||
| Was it like 200 yards away from a building with a high-powered rifle? | ||
| They don't have to be a good idea. | ||
| There was something about people running across somebody running across a roof. | ||
| Um, but there's they don't have any idea who did this. | ||
| But it's I mean, if it was somebody on a roof, that's the same playbook as uh the attempt on Trump the president's life last summer, yeah. | ||
| It this is I don't this is I don't really okay. | ||
| I well, I'm just gonna say this. | ||
| I think that somebody was afraid who's the next Trump, and they thought it was Charlie. | ||
| Well, Charlie Charlie had a good shot of becoming president. | ||
| You know, I would have voted for him. | ||
| The odd thing about these suspects was that I was watching Fox News earlier, and there were actually multiple people who are interviewed live on Fox News who said the people in custody were not the right people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it it gave it a a really weird vibe immediately because you saw these videos going around of some bald old men saying, and he was saying you know, I I have a right to remain silent and whatnot, and you you you have to imagine there's no way that a person like this could could get away. | ||
| Uh there's just so many questions, Mark Mark's here. | ||
| So many people are are in shock. | ||
| Uh, Charlie Kirk was a guy who dedicated his life as early, I believe, in in high school, or even maybe before that, to conservatism and conservative politics. | ||
| And he was murdered while doing the things that he loved. | ||
| I I think the reason why this strikes so many um conservative commentators and politicos and whatnot, is because Charlie Kirk was so deeply in tune with so many different creators and journalists and right-wing media figures in the space. | ||
| I uh I I did a stream, I think around five o'clock. | ||
| Uh I wanted to I wanted to wait. | ||
| I'll try and just give you guys the quick breakdown of you know what was going out through the through the day uh on our end news wise. | ||
| You can imagine with the show that we do, we have sources, we have friends who work in the administration. | ||
| We are friends with Turning Point. | ||
| They have been just always so amazing to us. | ||
| They treat us like royalty. | ||
| I never knew why. | ||
| I was always just, you know, Charlie was always so good to us. | ||
| He made us feel like kings. | ||
| We uh for the past three years, we were on stage at Turning Point. | ||
| They brought us up there. | ||
| They took care of us to make sure we can get our team out there. | ||
| And I want to just say when we went out, when we do these trips, it's really hard because we have this regularly scheduled nightly show. | ||
| Charlie not only built us a temporary studio, he let us use his personal studio, but while it was being built, and he personally stayed late with us when all of his staff went home to make sure we were taken care of. | ||
| This man was so good to us. | ||
| It is hard to believe that this has happened. | ||
| And I'm I'm just so pissed off for a million and one reasons. | ||
| For all the obvious reasons everybody understands, there are many, many more people who have uh much more right to be angry than I, of course. | ||
| Some of my thoughts and my prayers are with his family and uh his friends and his organization. | ||
| And you know, just we're at their disposal, whatever they need, whatever we can do. | ||
| It's outrageous they don't have uh somebody maybe there's something going on behind the scene, but I mean, look, you had a you have a big crowd of people, and this is this is the thing about Trump. | ||
| This is the thing about Charlie. | ||
| These guys will walk up to you and shake your hand and they will say, Tell me what's up. | ||
| We just saw a video of Trump. | ||
| Pro-Palestine protesters called him Hitler, and Trump walked right up to him. | ||
| Why didn't they think people allowed to get so close to the president? | ||
| That has to stop. | ||
| That has to stop too. | ||
| But it is, and this worries me. | ||
| When the assassination on attempt on Trump was made, people pointed out that Trump intentionally doesn't like heavy security because he wants people to be able to talk to him. | ||
| When you're at Mar-a-Lago, that's like JFK. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're at Mar-a-Lago, we've been there a couple times. | ||
| You you walk right in. | ||
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I mean, if if if if you know you're not tag you, I mean, there's like a little bit of a. | |
| When you when you walk in, if you're not dressed appropriately, they just say, Oh, how are you? | ||
| Can we help you? | ||
| Because there's a dress code here. | ||
| When we when we went there, and they said the president's gonna be having a dinner, and I I went and bought a suit. | ||
| I did. | ||
| People are like, Tim, what wear a suit for that. | ||
| I did buy a suit. | ||
| We walked right in. | ||
| You walk right in. | ||
| There's Speaker Mike Johnson in a room. | ||
| There was, I think Rob uh Blogoevich was there, and we saw Trump, and I walked right up, and Brusowitz was there, and he was like, Mr. President, I'd like you to meet. | ||
| I think this is actually before the election. | ||
| Was it before the election? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was. | ||
| He said, uh, I wanted you to introduce you to Tim. | ||
| We should shook my hand. | ||
| There's no security. | ||
| It's like Secret Service is there, but they're, you know, in their designated locations. | ||
| And Charlie was very much like that. | ||
| He was doing these events, and he wanted to be accessible to the best of the to the best of his abilities. | ||
| That's why he goes out to these campuses and he sits there in a campus and says, Come and have a conversation with me. | ||
| Charlie won the debate, and that's why these people took his life because they had no response to someone who had so thoroughly won the debate. | ||
| Well, I mean. | ||
| So it's it's uh I mean it's a tough day for everybody, especially people that you know believe in what Charlie was doing, right? | ||
| Like he went to people that disagreed with him and he said, Let's talk about it. | ||
| Let me give you insight into the way that I and people that I'm politically aligned with think. | ||
| And I just saw a tweet that literally just made it kind of knocked me over. | ||
| It the guy said, What's the point of liberalism if it leads to the let's talk about it guy bleeding out on a debate stage? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't want to give up on our republic because the option is to do things that are, you know, is to to take liberties away from people, and that's not good for America. | ||
| But the people that killed Charlie, the people that are celebrating Charlie's death, they Don't believe in liberalism. | ||
| They're not liberals, as much as we'll that's the name that they get, you know, they get that is used to describe them. | ||
| They're looking for a reaction. | ||
| And today everybody's emotions are so high or so, you know, it's such a a painful day. | ||
| Like it's really hard to not, you know, post things that are TOS violations or say things that are that are really bad, you know. | ||
| Um it's it's it's just really tough to to you know control that impulse because there are terrible things that I want to say, and terrible things that because I'm emotional about the whole thing. | ||
| We've been talking about how the political climate in this country was is going to lead to these kind of things. | ||
| We were talking about it. | ||
| I mean, I've been here going on three years, and we've since I started coming on the show. | ||
| We've been saying, where's the off-ramp? | ||
| Where's the off-ramp? | ||
| How do we stop this? | ||
| How do we prevent this from escalating? | ||
| And then it's been, you know. | ||
| Political Using using the government going after their political enemies, and that then there was the attack on Donald Trump, two attacks on Donald Trump. | ||
| So people called one of the dudes that jumped on stage a third attack on Donald Trump. | ||
| And now Charlie, um where does it end? | ||
| Because Charlie was so milked toast, everyday conservative. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| He was he was so inoffensive. | ||
| This is this is what terrifies me. | ||
| The guy that comes after Charlie is not inoffensive. | ||
| But it it it it terrifies me that that's who they're going after. | ||
| It it it's it's Charlie Kirk was mainstream conservative, you know, so articulate. | ||
| But he cared about family. | ||
| He was not an extremist, no, he was a regular. | ||
| It it was moderate politics. | ||
| And that and that's who they kill. | ||
| It was common sense. | ||
| Boris Johnson in his post on X today said that Charlie Kirk was communicating common sense. | ||
| That's what that's what make America great again. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It makes this is just Martin Luther King. | ||
| This is like them taking Martin Luther King's life. | ||
| The man spoke for a generation of people that had been relegated or felt relegated, and he threatened the political power. | ||
| Martin Luther King could have commanded 10,000 people to go push a button and they would have done it. | ||
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Charlie had that same power. | |
| Mr. Grey, can you tell us a little bit more about uh how you think we should be feeling and thinking about this in an age of political violence? | ||
| You're an elected official. | ||
| Do you know, do you feel those pressures on you as well? | ||
| What what's your reaction here? | ||
| Well, earlier uh we were talking about what's the off-ramp. | ||
| Well, the off-ramp is what Charlie Kirk was presenting, which is this vibrant political debate. | ||
| When he came to the University of Wyoming in late April, it he spoke for about I'd say seven to nine minutes, and then it went straight to QA, the QA that he was known for. | ||
| And he would have these very uh respectful back and forth debates on the issues of the day, and it was broadcast live. | ||
| I mean, it it's a pivotal part. | ||
| I mean, when we look at the the poll polling numbers on Gen Z and the transformation politically of Gen Z, uh turning point is a pivotal part of that. | ||
| And and Charlie, Charlie's a visionary. | ||
| I don't think we should dilute the facts here about the loathing of the left towards Charlie Kirk. | ||
| They thought he was a misogynist because he was pro-life and he was irredeemable because of that. | ||
| They thought he was irredeemable because he supported Israel and they would accuse him of supporting genocide. | ||
| Um they think that because he was willing to call out black violence towards white people, that he was a racist, and that all of this stuff makes him an irredeemable white supremacist, bigoted racist that many on the left are actually going to celebrate. | ||
| We shouldn't dilute ourselves. | ||
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They are thinking other things celebrated. | |
| If this monster is ever found, which God willing, they will be soon. | ||
| Uh I think they will be turned into a Luigi Mangioni type figure. | ||
| We're in an era of political violence. | ||
| I mean, if he's prosecuted and convicted, Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah said that he wanted to remind everyone that Utah still has the death penalty. | ||
| Yes, yes, but what a lot is saying is that they they lionize Luigi Manchoni. | ||
| He's a hero to the left. | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| And when they do catch this guy, the left is going to make portraits of him as a saint, and they're gonna put him on their magazine covers. | ||
| And they're fake religious candles. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Charlie Kirk was more than just a political commentator. | ||
| I think he was an American icon of conservatism. | ||
| He he's he was more than just himself. | ||
| He was really a figurehead for conservatism, the new age of conservatism. | ||
| He was only, I believe, 31. | ||
| 31 years old. | ||
| Um at the end of the day. | ||
| Started when he was a teenager, built up didn't go to college. | ||
| The most powerful political organization of our generation. | ||
| People were just talking last year how we were when we were at TPUSA, parties were popping up. | ||
| James O'Keefe had a party, as he he does these parties at turning points. | ||
| They're the biggest parties. | ||
| And I I'm talking to people saying, like, Charlie has basically built political South by Southwest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is huge. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then when he opened up America Fest, not just to students, but to everybody, people of all ages were coming to America Fest to like hang out and meet each other. | ||
| And it was a a sort of revelation during the Biden woke era and all that. | ||
| It was like, oh, wait, there's there's more of us. | ||
| There's more of us who are not on board with all of this lunacy. | ||
| There was a we can hang out, we can have conversations and not be shunned and not be kicked out of our families here. | ||
| All of the side events that were being built up around it. | ||
| And people were saying this is bigger than the RNC. | ||
| Turning point has become a good idea. | ||
| Oh, it was gonna take over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was gonna take over that whole realm. | ||
| If there's someone that is charismatic at turning point, it still could because Charlie's the legacy that Charlie has left is something that a lot of people are going to coalesce around. | ||
| Well, I was thinking about this too on the drive over here, and I was thinking that the men who are next in line to Charlie's legacy, um are really gonna need to step up, you know, and and really are gonna be in that spotlight. | ||
| Men like Jack Psobic, men like you, Tim Poole, you know. | ||
| I mean, the the men who are at the forefront of this and have been unafraid and have been speaking their mind, there's gonna be a lot more light on them, you know, and a lot more perhaps more danger as well, which is sort of terrifying, terrifying to think about, but it can't what Charlie was creating is not something that the people of America can afford to lose. | ||
| Yeah, I'm thinking what would he say if he was here right now? | ||
| How would he guide people? | ||
| And I I'm kind of torn down the middle between the animal part of me that wants the vengeance and wants to find the guy and see a public execution, and then there's the part of me that's like kindness, compassion, forgiveness. | ||
| These are what Charlie preached. | ||
| These are the things he believed in, and that not to fall into the rage because there's there's a middle road there though, Ian. | ||
| Not just kindness, compassion, forgiveness, or unadulterated rage, justice. | ||
| Yeah, but to not to cause pain on the victim unnecessarily suffering because that's more hellish. | ||
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Don't worry about don't worry about the not the victim, the perpetrator. | |
| What you are correct on is I I would never purport to speak for Charlie, but I imagine as a rational and intelligent, powerful leader, he would say we have to be reasonable and rational in how we respond now. | ||
| Trump is getting tremendous is gaining tremendous victories. | ||
| We have won electorally. | ||
| The actions against Charlie are the moves of a desperate, fringe psychotic ideology. | ||
| They want to drag us down into the mud so that we break from the position that has brought us success. | ||
| That does not mean we don't get justice. | ||
| Utah, they said they have the death penalty, and they're going to find this person. | ||
| What this means for us is we have to remain calm and collected and vigilant, working towards justice, finding the suspect, but making sure we do not allow wanton random escalation. | ||
| And that's what I fear. | ||
| That this an attack against Trump For many of us is terrifying, it's shocking. | ||
| It's offensive. | ||
| Charlie was not a politician. | ||
| Charlie was just a guy who had passion in politics and built up organizations to pursue those passions, but he did not decide how you would live or sleep. | ||
| He just explained his ideas and did it better than they did. | ||
| And that was a threat they took out. | ||
| Charlie all today going through the news and talking with our sources and our friends from various organizations. | ||
| Every phone call I was I was on was struggling through tears on both ends. | ||
| It's because Charlie treated you like you were the best. | ||
| It was it was it it was it was very Christian like that he was there for you, whatever you needed. | ||
| And so everybody felt like their best friend just got taken from them. | ||
| This has the potential to be substantially more catastrophic than anybody else they could have targeted. | ||
| I think it's on the level of like, you know, the assassinations of 68. | ||
| I think that's I think that's where we are. | ||
| I think that's what this is. | ||
| MLK, RFK, both 68, what was it like April and June, April and July, something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that's what this is. | ||
| You know what that did? | ||
| It destroyed the hope and dreams of the kids in the 60s that thought JFK was there to help, and he was. | ||
| He was there to step up against the military war machine and and scale it down, and they people believed and they had hope, and then it was taken. | ||
| And the and the people who believed in the civil rights movement, you know, only to have um Martin Luther King Jr. struck down as well. | ||
| By the FBI, is that confirmed? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The far left in this country seems completely emboldened to have vigilante justice against those who they view as fascists, which is anybody on the right. | ||
| And unless I don't know what the President Trump administration can do. | ||
| I don't I don't see how this, you know, we're saying hearts and prayers. | ||
| We're saying, you know, this is horrible and like this will have a huge impact. | ||
| This will have a huge impact to hurt the conservative movement. | ||
| I don't know where where this leads, um, but this is part a symptom of a larger trend. | ||
| Well, it's a trend that's do you remember punch a Nazi? | ||
| And then suddenly they decided we're all Nazis. | ||
| Ten years ago, I was like, and this is when I was, you know, before I was in the political world beyond Twitter. | ||
| I'm a dude in a band, and I'm and like I see people that I know saying, Oh, it's okay to punch Nazis. | ||
| And I'm like, this leads nowhere good. | ||
| This is going to lead us to a terrible place. | ||
| And and what I got back was, why are you defending Nazis? | ||
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Right. | |
| It was almost ubiquitous in the music industry. | ||
| It was for sure the truth in the arts. | ||
| I mean, it was true in the theater community in New York City. | ||
| It was true in, I mean, if you remember in I don't know why anyone remember this, but in 2018, there was an exhibit at the San Francisco public library that had punch a turf because they went from punch a Nazi to beat up women who don't think men are women. | ||
| And they had a baseball bat that was like covered with fake blood that said punch a turf on it. | ||
| Like all of this stuff, um it has escalated, and a lot of people were, you know, being like, hey, that's crazy. | ||
| And here we're and they're they're assassinating, you know, extremely wonderful young men. | ||
| So the question then is immediately when this happens, our, you know, our security team, they're contacting us. | ||
| I I assure you, every person in this space, their sec their their companies, their teams, they made phone calls, everything's been dialed up as high as it can be dialed up. | ||
| I mean, just a week ago, I was saying, like, wow, things have calmed down, where the riots it seems like we're winning. | ||
| And I think this is what happens when you when it is perceivable that to everybody, including your adversaries that you're winning, they they take these desperate moves. | ||
| The question for us is uh I had an event planned with Alex Stein for October. | ||
| It was a campus event. | ||
| Uh I had actually reached out to Charlie saying that, you know, I'd love to do some of these if if if possible. | ||
| Uh we were planning more. | ||
| This was earlier in the year, and so we were like, let's try, let's see what time we have in the fall. | ||
| I'm I'm super busy, so we found a date, and we're like, let's give it a shot. | ||
| It's canceled. | ||
| And cancel that. | ||
| Well, I'm glad I can't do it. | ||
| I'm glad you canceled it. | ||
| But now we also have these live venue events, and it looks like I have no choice but to cancel them or at least I can't be there. | ||
| I'm not for or against you canceling them, but how would you respond to somebody who says that's them winning? | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And so the the debate was they are celebrating right now. | ||
| Their Daily Mail has a video I'm not going to show it of leftists celebrating. | ||
| A vi a video's gone viral. | ||
| People have taken all these leftists, they're dancing and they're cheering. | ||
| There are people outside of universities right now, and there's videos of them cheering and high-fiving and celebrating. | ||
| They called for it. | ||
| They're happy that it's happened, and they threaten me. | ||
| And so the debate is we do a show every night. | ||
| I do a morning show, two morning shows, technically three, because we break it at the interview up. | ||
| And this nightly show, we reach millions of viewers. | ||
| We can keep doing that, or I can risk dying to go to a crowd of 500. | ||
| And so maybe you want to say, yes, they've shut down our public events and they've they've isolated us to these spaces. | ||
| But what is the answer? | ||
| What do you how do you want we're terrorized? | ||
| No, keeping sans. | ||
| You gotta stay inside. | ||
| This is Kennedy got hit, John F. Kennedy when he was outside, and they realized he can't parade the president out in the open anymore. | ||
| So they stop. | ||
| Guns are too easy to find now. | ||
| And it's the same thing with your high-level political per person. | ||
| Yeah, and he there's nothing you can do. | ||
| What you were talking about, like they haven't won because you're not doing an a public appearance. | ||
| They've only won if you stop doing the show, if you stop talking about these things, if you stop bringing the opposing argument, you've struck fear into your heart where you're scared to do in a public event that you'd otherwise do it. | ||
| It does feel like sufficiently terrible. | ||
| If it's one person, it's totally different. | ||
| If you're talking about putting a boatload of people into a room, the people, other people that work here, it's a different thing. | ||
| Let me address that. | ||
| It's not the fear of it. | ||
| They literally killed him. | ||
| The intent is clear, and the risk is not I am scared of the left, it's that they are killing people. | ||
| You gotta change tactics. | ||
| It's not a loss if you change your tactics. | ||
| If the enemy develops a new weapon in the culture war that's like artillery and your your old position's no longer viable, you just remaneuver to a new position that's more fortified. | ||
| That's understandable. | ||
| The the big question is so there was a story, and I I told this before. | ||
| I mean, I I don't know if I should, but we were in Nashville, and we were going to go uh I was gonna I was gonna play music. | ||
| I think Ian was gonna we're gonna go to John Rich's uh honky tonk. | ||
| And there was a security threat, which I won't go into detail on, and I was told we can't do the event because of this security risk, this this this threat against you. | ||
| And then I said, they're not gonna stop me, they can't scare me. | ||
| And then I was told, Tim, this is downtown Nashville, and there are children outside. | ||
| If someone comes with a gun, it's not about you. | ||
| And I went, I get it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If we go to this event and we say that we're gonna be on the ground at this university, and some lunatic shows up with a gun, it's not just me that's at risk. | ||
| It's any one of those kids or people who want to show up too. | ||
| Well, and all those kids were fleeing. | ||
| They were running. | ||
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| And it's and then and thankfully nobody else was was was injured, but horrifyingly, Charlie, the leader of this massive movement has lost his life. | ||
| I certainly understand the anger you might feel over this tactic stops us from doing these university events because they're so powerful and important. | ||
| But so there's there is a a level of you know, if I I would put it like this. | ||
| If we were talking about a battlefield, and you know that the enemy is uh has assassins targeting your officers, you take your officers out of the risk, and then you utilize other resources in these key areas. | ||
| That is to say, campus events can still happen. | ||
| It just doesn't need to be the highest profile of individuals. | ||
| It can be among the students that are already there, which minimizes the risks and minimizes the target but keeps the conversations going. | ||
| So TP USA can still keep these going without Charlie. | ||
| It can be handled by local chapters who can carry on these debates and make sure we don't lose momentum. | ||
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| But I suppose it's the debate. | ||
| I'm sure people are gonna say don't keep doing the events. | ||
| And inside with security checking guns at the door. | ||
| Not possible. | ||
| If they can get targets on the president, then anybody is capable of getting... | ||
| They can it's literally drone bomb your house if they think you're gonna be able to do it. | ||
| Yes, yes, but but let's let's let's be real. | ||
| Like these events that we do, I have to drive in a car to a back entrance, go in and go out with security waiting for me because we've like I've we've been s we were swatted 15 times one year. | ||
| We've we've had the bomb squad multiple times. | ||
| We've had uh a man show up claiming he was sent by God. | ||
| We have there there's other security issues that I'm not going to go into detail on because they happen every single day. | ||
| So this is the challenge. | ||
| Like my wife is obviously extremely worried when we we want to do these public culture war shows. | ||
| We want to bring people and invite them in. | ||
| And it sure we have security checking people and making sure people aren't coming in with weapons, which I actually don't like. | ||
| I don't like that we have to do that because of me. | ||
| But we can't even secure in DC. | ||
| I it's just not it's not possible. | ||
| So it it's this is like a major moment in this country that's a lot of us thought could happen. | ||
| We didn't know when or how, but we just really in the back of our minds thought it it wasn't gonna happen, even though Phil and I talk about it every single night. | ||
| There's no off ramp, it's just the escalation keeps getting worse all day. | ||
| Let me let me tell you the hardest thing was we we we have friends in this space, and the only thing that I wanted to tweet was that Charlie was okay. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Even though I was getting people hitting me up, and they and I got a phone call and I didn't say anything because I didn't want to believe it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because the only thing that mattered was that the AP said he was stable. | ||
| And I got a call from someone, you know, in the when the story is breaking and they told me this is a top level person in the know, he is stable. | ||
| And I tweeted that. | ||
| A source has told me that he is stable. | ||
| And then when I got the next phone call, I didn't say a word because I there was nothing that would make me believe it. | ||
| No, absolutely not, until everyone else started posting it. | ||
| Well, at post-millennial and human events, uh Charlie Kirk was integral with human events. | ||
| He was a senior contributor. | ||
| Um, you know, Jack is our is a senior editor, and Jack and Charlie are obviously really tight, and so you know, we cover his show a lot, and um uh we would we watch his cold open every day and we go down the list, we're like, oh, we covered that, we covered that, we covered the dang, we missed that, you know, go through. | ||
| Um but we Thomas Stevenson has connections in Utah, and he used to um intern on the hill for Senator Lee. | ||
| And so, you know, I called him as soon as I heard that the shooting had happened, and um he was like, uh, and it's his day off. | ||
| And he was like, Let me see what's going on, let me find out. | ||
| And he was driving, he pulled over to the side of the road, and I don't know how long he stayed on the side of the road, like trying to figure out what was going on, because he had also alerted us to this event last week. | ||
| He was like, This looks like it's gonna be a pretty good event. | ||
| You know, I'll see if um people I know are going and like what's happening at it. | ||
| Um and uh we had reason to believe based on the information that Tommy was getting that um that it was not that it was not gonna be uh good news. | ||
| Um we had reason to believe that. | ||
| And we saw other people posting like a nurse said this or hearsay from this person or whatever, and none of us wanted to write it. | ||
| And I was like, we are we're not writing this down until it's confirmed. | ||
| We're not writing this down. | ||
| If we're if we're the last outlet to write this down, that's fine. | ||
| We're not we're not gonna we're not going after anything other than like accuracy on this one, and we were just no, we were just stunned. | ||
| Like one of our office is fully remote, so everybody is all across the country, and one of the things That we do is bring everybody to a turning point event. | ||
| You know, like maybe once or twice a year, get as many people from staff out as we can and like have a toast and talk in person, and that's just not something that we normally do. | ||
| Like it'll be months and months before I physically see anybody that I work with. | ||
| Um yeah, I mean it it it definitely hit our newsroom a little hard. | ||
| And I was I was so angry, I was so angry when I saw other outlets posting like writing articles and sharing them saying that he had passed before they had before they had confirmation, like I was just livid. | ||
| I was having a hard time when I would see people tweet, there's no way he's gonna survive. | ||
| I didn't like that either. | ||
| Just believe he's healing in a bed right now. | ||
| And then I mean, but prayer works. | ||
| There they call it the placebo effect in science. | ||
| No one really knows exactly what's happening, but there's something. | ||
| I went to church on the ton of candles. | ||
| Let me some injuries are so great that it's like the spirits can't mend, you know. | ||
| I just want to say, you know, final thought on the issue of these live events. | ||
| Guys, if our streets have become a battlefield, you don't run into the battlefield. | ||
| If you are standing in an open field and you hear a gunshot, you get down and you find cover. | ||
| You do not run into it without a plan. | ||
| My point is there are more effective means of being involved in it in in this information without without risking my life and losing all of the shows that we already do that reach a much wider audience over live shows per month. | ||
| And your family needs you. | ||
| This is the thing about in uh war. | ||
| If you want to consider this like a a culture war or whatever, paramilitary action. | ||
| You have to live like that, Tim. | ||
| What you were just saying, you your pride is irrelevant. | ||
| It is survival, it is repositioning, it is defense, entrenchment, preparing. | ||
| It's not about ego. | ||
| I want to I want to pull this up from the Daily Mail. | ||
| And there's some context to this story. | ||
| Democrats reject prayers for Charlie Kirk as moment of silence devolves into house floor shouting match. | ||
| And so my understanding, Libby, you were you were telling me before that Mike Johnson had a moment of silence for Charlie. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And then what happened next? | ||
| Lauren Boebert wanted to extend it, but the Democrats started yelling. | ||
| That's what I could understand. | ||
| She wasn't Mike'd, so it was hard to hear. | ||
| Um, I saw the clip going viral, and uh again, it was Tommy who hit me to it, and we went back and looked on C-Span and pulled the full clip, which was like two minutes. | ||
| Mike Johnson called for a moment of silence. | ||
| Let's uh let's play this and see what we do. | ||
| Please rise for a moment of prayer for Charlie Kirk and his family. | ||
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| Thank you. | ||
| What purpose of the gentlelady from Colorado rise? | ||
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Shh. | |
| Let's let's let's wait a minute. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| The house will be in order. | ||
| The house will be in order. | ||
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| The house will be in order. | ||
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Shh. | |
| We the house will be in order. | ||
| We we will join for prayer right after this, okay? | ||
| The chair lays before the house a communication. | ||
| So the Daily Mail reports is that uh let's see, chaos devolved when Mike Johnson attempted to lead a prayer for Charlie Kirk. | ||
| So I think I think what you were saying was correct. | ||
| Democrats were against the request for the prayer. | ||
| So there was a moment of silence when Lauren Boebert requested a moment of prayer. | ||
| Democrats, some of them began yelling no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Lauren wanted to say things. | ||
| Is that what it was to say? | ||
| One Democrat blurted out, pass some gun laws. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Anna Paulina Anna Paulina Luna yelled, you effing own this. | ||
| She's she's and then uh it says she accused Democrats earlier in the day of being the origin of the violence against Kirk, quote. | ||
| I am done with the rhetoric this rotten house and corrupt media has caused. | ||
| She posted on X shortly after the news of the shooting broke. | ||
| Every damn one of you called us fascist who called us fascist did this. | ||
| I'm I'm exhausted with the fight, fight, fight rhetoric. | ||
| I mean, if you actually want to throw down and hurt someone and get hurt, that's when you use that term fight. | ||
| It's not about arguing with people. | ||
| And Charlie was the epitome of the way to communicate without fighting, the way to get your job done without fighting. | ||
| He wasn't a fighter. | ||
| You didn't need to. | ||
| He was a communicator. | ||
| And this Elizabeth Warren being like, We need to fight. | ||
| Have you ever been in a fight, lady? | ||
| Do you know what happens with professional fighters want to fight you? | ||
| Don't do that stuff anymore. | ||
| We gotta cool it down. | ||
| And I gotta start with myself, but this is what literally we we've been talking about trying to cool the rhetoric for the better part of three, four years or so. | ||
| I mean, this is this is this is uh something that we've been talking about forever. | ||
| For as long as IRL has been on. | ||
| I've either I was listening to people say, hey, we've got to cool the rhetoric, or I've been saying it myself. | ||
| Like I don't know what to do, but just saying, hey, cool the rhetoric is not enough. | ||
| No, it's not a machine that's pouring this rhetoric into our country into our airwaves to make people crazy to destabilize the country and there's there's a significant portion of the population that have been radicalized. | ||
| Like currently, on the left. | ||
| Okay, COVID. | ||
| The kids that have masks on during COVID. | ||
| No, those are that's just they were kids. | ||
| That's not what I'm talking about. | ||
| I'm talking about call like college students and young adults that have been radicalized. | ||
| I the person that that shot Charlie, obviously, we don't know who it was, but it's likely that it was a young adult. | ||
| Not necessarily, but it was likely there was but they were they were a leftist, likely a leftist who believed that Charlie Kirk had all these terrible views. | ||
| Where did they come up with that idea? | ||
| When honestly, again, his Charlie's views were very standard boilerplate Republican, right? | ||
| Not moderate American conservative, traditional, not particularly extreme. | ||
| It is not extremist to say it's good for men and women to be married and have kids. | ||
| So Occupy Democrats, Occupy Democrats on their Instagram have multiple, multiple anti-Charlie Kirk posts that they have put up today, including, yes, he really said this, no one should be assassinated, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a hateful jerk who spread nothing but division and ill will towards his fellow man. | ||
| I mean the dude after he died. | ||
| These are if you look at the timestamps 12 minutes ago, they posted that. | ||
| 33 minutes ago, they put the we've got it. | ||
| Charlie Kirk spent his entire life disparaging immigrants, disrespecting women, and blaming black folks only to get shot in one of the whitest places on earth. | ||
| As a woman who went on his show a fair number of times, and I he had nothing but respect for me. | ||
| He was kind, he was generous with himself and with his intellect, and he was, you know, he was a really good man. | ||
| I don't see how you can say that about him at all. | ||
| And he took he took everybody's opinions. | ||
| He talked to everybody about everything. | ||
| There was a tweet. | ||
| Someone said the moderate right died today. | ||
| All of these comments on this Instagram, I don't I don't I don't want to show them, and I don't know. | ||
| They're horrifying. | ||
| But it the if you want to be radicalized. | ||
| Yeah, go to blue sky. | ||
| I went over there to see that, typed in Charlie Kirk and see what was up. | ||
| After like 14 posts I had to X out in almost vomiting. | ||
| It was dis and it's just like that's that exists. | ||
| That's out there. | ||
| If you want to look for it, you're gonna find it. | ||
| And there's it's not actually uncommon either. | ||
| It's not like these are fringe people, right? | ||
| Like there are considerable people that are considerable amount of people that are in public life that are on blue sky that will say terrible, horrible things. | ||
| You know, it's so easy to do, and it has such repercussions on it that are yet to be understood by the power the power human power to speak and to propel it with mass media, it's so new. | ||
| You can you combine that kind of rhetoric with the political leaning that is most likely to be someone that has some kind of mental illness, um, and you're going to get this type of reaction. | ||
| The left loves people that are miserable, that are unhappy with their life, that don't have a foundation in any kind of faith, that don't have a family, Because people that have family, people that have faith, people that are happy, do not engage in political violence. | ||
| They don't engage in revolutionary activities. | ||
| The left needs crazy people. | ||
| They need people that don't have the same kind of the same stuff to lose that normal people do. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like if you if you have a family, if you have kids, you're not gonna go do something crazy like this because you have kids to take care of. | ||
| If you have a job that you care about that's providing for you or providing for your family, you're not gonna do something crazy like that because you have a job. | ||
| You have stuff to do. | ||
| You have a things in your life. | ||
| They need nihilistic, desperate people that have nothing to lose. | ||
| And so the crazier they the more the more extreme they can find people, the more people they can find on the margins of society and tell them the problem is, you know, Christians that are having kids, the happier they are. | ||
| That's something that Dr. Jordan Peterson used to always say, like, why are more people not speaking out? | ||
| Because they're busy leading their lives and raising their kids, you know. | ||
| I mean, is that something that you find? | ||
| I'm looking at my face. | ||
| That's why we need leaders. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like Charlie, who were just masters of communicating, led their generation. | ||
| I mean, think back to when I was in college. | ||
| I mean, I graduated in 2012. | ||
| Turning point was just beginning to start coming to campus. | ||
| It wasn't at the campus I went to. | ||
| But the minute that changed in 2013, 2014, that's when you started to see some of the the changes in in polling and attitudes, and and you've seen it more and more with Gen Z. I mean, that they understand what's at stake for public policy, and it's because of a lot of a lot of it is because of the of this work that Turning Point has done. | ||
| Yeah, they were out on campuses. | ||
| They were doing so much to get out the vote last year. | ||
| They were doing stuff too, weren't they? | ||
| Where it was like, come to this event, this turning point event with Don Jr. | ||
| And, you know, vote early, drop off your mail and ballot right here, and then come on in, you know, and like that was your ticket in was dropping off your ballot. | ||
| Um that that seemed really effective. | ||
| You know, that was a campus event. | ||
| I went to my Facebook just to see what people were saying. | ||
| And while there certainly are some awful statements, a lot of the lefty activist types that I've known since Occupy are calling out the younger left and the leftists calling for violence. | ||
| And I respect that. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| These these are these are people who have followed me on Facebook and I followed for a very, very long time, and they're very like it was populist left occupy stuff, so they hate Trump. | ||
| And I'm just seeing I see a handful of posts where they're saying these people are evil. | ||
| Charlie did nothing wrong, like he was just a guy that they didn't like. | ||
| And I I wish, and I I I these occupied Democrats and this blue sky stuff is what's terrifying. | ||
| But I feel like some of these, these, these uh older folks, at least these more, you know, I guess occupy-centered people are shocked and they seem to be angry about Charlie Kirk's death. | ||
| So I'm glad to see it. | ||
| The the vapid violent nihilism is just it's not a sustainable movement. | ||
| That doesn't mean it can't take over a government, but it doesn't really give people hope. | ||
| It doesn't really unify and rally people without fear. | ||
| So when things are good, it sort of falls away. | ||
| So there's uh I wanna I want to pull this up for you guys. | ||
| So we have this tweet from Luke Rodkowski showing the uh the the building where they say that the shot was taken from. | ||
| I I don't think it was there, was it? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| 200 meters. | ||
| 200 meters is not professional. | ||
| It was 455 feet. | ||
| Luke says, whoever this was, it was a professional hit, but there's a response. | ||
| Alexander Graves says 200 meters is not a far shot. | ||
| However, it was organized by more than one person. | ||
| The old man who threw himself at police saying, shoot me, shoot me, gave pause on the search for the shooter, allowing him to get away. | ||
| The individual who asked the question about the mass shooting was timely. | ||
| It was not professional. | ||
| It was an M700 chambered in 308. | ||
| It was organized by communist leftists. | ||
| Now we don't know that for sure. | ||
| But there were these posts where someone said, Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow. | ||
| I really hope. | ||
| And then he said, Yeah, I'm not gonna read it. | ||
| And then he caught replied with some let's just say something big will happen tomorrow. | ||
| And this is the one of the first videos that emerged. | ||
| You don't have to make a said, I have the right to remain silent. | ||
| Uh I didn't see the video of someone yelling, shoot me, shoot me, but I'd heard that quite a bit. | ||
| It was him. | ||
| It was him? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was there's a video of it. | ||
| While he was being escorted away by officers. | ||
| He was see if I can find that. | ||
| He was released, this guy. | ||
| This guy was the first person detained in the middle. | ||
| But the first thing I noticed right away when they released him was whatever it is he did that resulted in him being the guy grabbed, it allowed the shooter to escape. | ||
| Sure did, yeah. | ||
| Whether intentional or otherwise, I have no idea, but that distraction. | ||
| Could he have been intentionally part of a distraction? | ||
| Yeah, the argument that some people are making. | ||
| And then there was the one guy on Fox News talking about this guy saying that it definitely couldn't have been him and that he wasn't capable. | ||
| Uh okay, we we have this video. | ||
| Hey, what's that? | ||
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We don't know if it's him or not. | |
| And they and that's the cop saying, we don't know if it's him or not. | ||
| And he's yelling, shoot me. | ||
| Like Lee Harvey Oswald. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Yeah, like Lee Harvey Oswald, like what they did with Lee during the perk walk. | ||
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| That's messed up, you guys. | ||
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So the the the conspiracy theory. | |
| Kill me! | ||
| Was that? | ||
| We don't know if it's him or not. | ||
| The conspiracy theory is that it was organized. | ||
| He was the distraction. | ||
| The real shooter escaped. | ||
| When the first thing I heard was that in which case, why would they have let him go? | ||
| Because there's no evidence he did anything. | ||
| The the first thing I heard was that somebody somebody stood up and started yelling questions at Charlie and then shot him. | ||
| And that's in the first video that I saw, it it was bad, but it didn't look as bad as the second video. | ||
| But but then, you know, what ended up happening uh was I saw this. | ||
| Uh Luke had reached out to me and said, Hey, another vit there's another video, and this is not a handgun. | ||
| This is not a guy in the crowd. | ||
| And this became extremely strange. | ||
| That why would this happen, this shooting, and then some guy be perceived as by anybody of being the shooter, start yelling, shoot me, shoot me, and I have the right to remain silent, which only serves to assist. | ||
| I'm not saying I'm not saying intentionally, but the actions he took did help the shooter escape, or or who we believe to be the guy on the roof running. | ||
| That was my take, too. | ||
| If you want, we could find the Fox News interview too of him talking to like his buddy saying that it definitely wasn't this guy and that he named this guy specifically. | ||
| Uh if you want to try and find it, yeah. | ||
| I could send it to you. | ||
| What one of the also one of the angles here that I wanted to hit on that I feel like we haven't touched on was the morbidity and ghoulishness of social media as soon as this was coming out, and um how quickly people felt the need to spit around how many different angles they could find of this young man being shot and killed and and analyzing, you know, uh the volumes of blood coming out. | ||
| Oh screen went up. | ||
| Uh was it this guy? | ||
| Yes, it was this guy. | ||
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| So this is Fox News. | ||
| I think there should be a research that's completely done that took place hours, maybe a day, before anything went on. | ||
| Who could be there and pull that trigger and do it? | ||
| And I don't think it was George Sam, he was poor, broke, and he maybe was on medication a little bit loony boon, maybe a perfect person to pick and say they did it, and I don't think he did it at all. | ||
| So at this point, but did you see him taken into custody? | ||
| Did you see him with any kind of thing in his hand, any device in his hand or anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, I saw when they when they uh actually put the handcuffs behind his back, I followed him Jason Champions. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that George Zinn guy, um, just for some context, he was a guy that called in a bomb threat on the I'm right over here. | ||
| The guy that called the bomb threat in on the 2013 Salt Lake City Marathon, and everyone thought that was gonna be this guy, but that ended up being complete false false red herring, had nothing to do with him. | ||
| That's who this guy's talking about. | ||
| Man, a lot of weird you mentioned this is you mentioned the ghoulishness of social media. | ||
| Well, people were like passing around the clip, and this is gaining Millions of views, and this is the thing. | ||
| We are drawn to sex, drugs, and violence as people, as human beings, we feel the the need, and like people are digging around for all these morbid clips and they're tracking up hundreds of millions of views. | ||
| And you know, it's it's we're catching this guy in the most intimate moments of his life bleeding out in front of crowds of thousands of people recording him, and because he's this sort of celebrity, uh there's just something deeply wrong and strange, and it it feels like something we shouldn't be viewing in the capacity that we are able to do. | ||
| I agree that people have been saying maybe that this is like a demonic, a spiritual demonic war that we're in. | ||
| I wonder about this. | ||
| And this is maybe it's a bit esoteric, but is that the reason maybe part of the reason why we don't torture criminals to death anymore that we don't watch them scream for hours is because that's actually creating a demonic energy when you have hate and rage. | ||
| And yesterday when they people kept seeing videos of that girl getting her neck stabbed by that dude on the bus, that it was generating this bloodlust in people I've never seen before in mass like this. | ||
| Well, let me finish much. | ||
| And that it's creating that it's public. | ||
| It is setting up a spiritual stage for things like this. | ||
| And it's that's why why being calm is important, and why not to just give into the fervor right away. | ||
| We got the guy, let's string him up. | ||
| But I want to make sure we clarify, I don't think that I think this event was planned long before the story of Irina Zarutska became a national conversation. | ||
| Yes, I think that that's true. | ||
| And I also think that you know as opposed to capital punishment as I am, because I don't think it's up to man to take lives. | ||
| I think that that job belongs to God. | ||
| Um although in this case I'm I was kind of buoyed by Governor Cox's words, so you know that they still have the death penalty in Utah. | ||
| But um, you know, we're all human. | ||
| The uh it's real hard to be morally consistent, I'll tell you that. | ||
| It sure is, it sure is. | ||
| Um, but I think there's something to be said for public execution in terms of um it it uh deterring people. | ||
| I mean, you used to be able to like see people get executed by death penalty by like the electric chair, right? | ||
| Um Albert Camus talks about witnessing a public hanging. | ||
| Uh certainly in the colonies in Massachusetts, uh Nathaniel Hawthorne talks about um public hanging as a means of execution, you know. | ||
| Uh and it's in the Scarlet Letter, and it's it's it's brutal. | ||
| It's brutal just to read about, it's brutal to read when Camus talks about it. | ||
| And um I think there's something to be said for showing the punishment that comes to the perpetrators of these crimes as opposed to just constantly seeing the blood of innocent victims spilled on our streets. | ||
| You know, I mean if if you want bloodlust, go after the killers, stop going after the victims every time. | ||
| We've seen so much blood in the past few days, and the videos uh it's it's um I don't want to see more innocent people killed. | ||
| You know, if you want to satisfy a bloodlust America, like stage your executions. | ||
| We hear about executions, you know, we hear about Florida's killing people. | ||
| What was it, Alabama recently or Texas, you know, places that um do this. | ||
| I didn't grow up in a place that does that very often. | ||
| Uh and so we don't see it, we just read about it the next day, and we read about how perhaps the families of the victims were there to witness it, because often they're invited to witness something like that. | ||
| And I would I would far rather see public execution used as a kind of deterrent, kind of like Tim always says with the gang member and the diaper being forced to crawl down. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Roosevelt? | ||
| Roosevelt. | ||
| Roosevelt, yeah. | ||
| Uh like that. | ||
| I'd rather see that. | ||
| I'd rather see someone in the stocks as barbaric as that is than see you know more of these uh blood fountains of the innocent soaking our our Twitter feeds. | ||
| I'm open to public executions. | ||
| I'm open to that to showing people like this is what you get, but torture executions I don't like. | ||
| Like stringing it out for hours. | ||
| It was an instant swift kill. | ||
| But that's what it's what it's always intended to be. | ||
| It's always intended to be that. | ||
| Nah, well, only recently did we stopped torturing in mass so gracious graciously. | ||
| And in what way what do you mean? | ||
| Well, until like 1680 and 1720, put people on a wheel and turn them until their bodies broke open. | ||
| Oh, all of that kind of stuff. | ||
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| But we think a lot of that is to do that in modern America. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| A lot of the ancient torture methods that people talk about were actually fiction. | ||
| Maybe too, yeah. | ||
| Because it's impractical. | ||
| Nobody's gonna waste money on. | ||
| Oh, they're doing it for joy. | ||
| They do it out of say that. | ||
| There was one thing they the the treadmill, for instance, was uh prisoners were forced to walk on a wheel. | ||
| That would it was a mill. | ||
| It would grind grains, and you'd walk for all day until you collapse. | ||
| Talk about the torture deaths. | ||
| They put a rat in a hot bucket, a metal bucket stuck to the guy's stomach, and then heat the bucket up. | ||
| The rat digs a hold in the back. | ||
| We do have uh, ladies and gentlemen, we have a uh statement from the president. | ||
| Donald Trump, uh, just about 10 minutes ago published this. | ||
| Let's uh let's play it. | ||
| To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on a college campus in Utah. | ||
| Charlie inspired millions, and tonight all who knew him and loved him are united in shock and horror. | ||
| Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the cause of open debate and the country that he loved so much, the United States of America. | ||
| He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, and the American people. | ||
| He's a martyr for truth and freedom, and there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth. | ||
| Charlie was also a man of deep, deep faith. | ||
| And we take comfort in the knowledge that he is now at peace with God in heaven. | ||
| Our prayers are with his wife, Erica, the two young, beloved children and his entire family who he loved more than anything in the world. | ||
| We ask God to watch over them in this terrible hour of heartache and pain. | ||
| This is a dark moment for America. | ||
| Charlie Kirk traveled the nation joyfully engaging with everyone interested in good faith debate. | ||
| His mission was to bring young people into the political process, which he did better than anybody ever. | ||
| To share his love of country and to spread the simple words of common sense. | ||
| On campuses nationwide, he championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace. | ||
| It's long past time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible. | ||
| For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. | ||
| It's good that he's saying that. | ||
| This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now. | ||
| My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country. | ||
| From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father to the attacks on ICE agents to the vicious murder of a health care executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others. | ||
| Damn, he's going to be able to do that. | ||
| Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives. | ||
| Tonight I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died, the values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God. | ||
| Charlie was the best of America, and the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country. | ||
| An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but he failed because together we will ensure that his voice, his message, and his legacy will live on for countless generations to come. | ||
| Today, because of this heinous act, Charlie's voice has become bigger and grander than ever before, and it's not even close. | ||
| May God bless his memory. | ||
| And may God bless the United States of America. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I just want to say it kind of seemed like Trump was holding back. | ||
| A little emotion there in the uh in the beginning. | ||
| Well, they were friends, right? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| And it's it's just great statement from Donald Trump. | ||
| I I I I appreciate it. | ||
| It's it's it was a good. | ||
| Yeah, it's really strong. | ||
| I I need to be said. | ||
| It's like it's like MLK. | ||
| It's this is like, why would anyone kill that guy? | ||
| And then it's just a political power. | ||
| They because they want the reaction. | ||
| Like we talked like they want the right to overreact. | ||
| The point is if they go after him, the right will get incensed, and then the right will overreact, and then they can say, We're victims, we're victims, feel bad for us. | ||
| They have been losing and losing and losing and losing. | ||
| They need something to turn the tide back to them again. | ||
| So that way they're they they will win these political engagements. | ||
| Or lost over and there's more, I think there's a little more to it than that. | ||
| I think that um I think that the left in America right. | ||
| Well, also because he's effective. | ||
| Yeah, the left in America right now can't stand that one by one, the stupid things that they have imposed on us are being dismantled. | ||
| Our team is getting death threats right now. | ||
| And what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there are demons among us, and these people are demonically possessed. | ||
| No, I mean I think that's true. | ||
| Fair enough, yeah. | ||
| I'm I'm being told that our team is getting death threats actively right now. | ||
| Well, this was a beautiful speech from the president. | ||
| However, I don't think it convinced one person who believes that the president is a Nazi that he is no longer a Nazi. | ||
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No, I thought that also like he's reinforcing their own. | |
| On love or something, like his behavior, they're like, Oh, there goes the Nazis saying the Nazi thing again. | ||
| I was getting that look on what he was doing just then. | ||
| Like if you if you hate him and you've already decided you hate him, and anything he says is a lie and it's actually evil, like no amount of outpouring of love. | ||
| Well, I can't say no amount, but it's hard to for for a speech like this from Donald Trump to change someone in a and if he was holding back emotions, you know, like what's he gonna do, come on TV and break down and cry. | ||
| Maybe that was like his third attempt at making the video. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it does seem early on like you can kind of you can kind of see it a little bit. | ||
| I mean, they were friends. | ||
| Getting back to the comments earlier. | ||
| I mean, the radical left, they can't operate in the sphere that Charlie Kirk was operating in effectively because their policies are nonsense. | ||
| That was uh Charlie Kirk would just run circles around them. | ||
| And and that's why he was an icon. | ||
| And uh this is a huge loss. | ||
| I know, I know you know, I was saying this earlier. | ||
| This will immortalize the the vision of of uh uh Charlie Kirk. | ||
| They have martyred him. | ||
| Uh he was a man of faith. | ||
| They have there will be murals, and there will be people sharing his message, but he was more than that, and this is what has me worried is that he was a powerful business mind. | ||
| He knew how to build a machine better than anybody else, and that's an amazing job. | ||
| They go after him not just because of his effectiveness, but he was once in a thousand years kind of guy. | ||
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He's it's this is a generational who's so courageous. | |
| I'm gonna give an example from you know, I'm from Wyoming, and the debates we've had over the last 15 years as I've been involved in public policy. | ||
| So we're in COVID, and uh things are shut down. | ||
| Uh in May, things start to open back up. | ||
| We were you know trying to get things moving again. | ||
| Charlie Kirk comes to the Wyoming State GOP convention, and he opens up and he says, This is probably the biggest event that has happened in the world in the last two months. | ||
| And we are going to reopen back up. | ||
| I mean he had such courage, uh charisma, And uh that was a huge moment, I can tell you where I'm from. | ||
| I mean, that that moment in the in the COVID debate was a inflection point. | ||
| We were talking about it a little bit before the show. | ||
| Charlie Kirk is probably the second most influential person on the right um behind the president, behind President Trump. | ||
| And uh it's really hard to exaggerate his influence between turning point and turning point action and all the people he employs and the cultural relevance of his show and then these campus events and how much he fundraises for different people and he was involved in all these different campaigns. | ||
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Uh do we have something pulled up here? | |
| Oh, I just pulled up a tweet. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| What were you saying? | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| No, it's just uh he was probably the most influential person on the right behind the president. | ||
| What do you guys think? | ||
| I think he was. | ||
| I think that that was maybe why he was targeted uh if he was targeted. | ||
| Well, obviously he was targeted, but if if the political machine was afraid who's who's coming after Trump. | ||
| Well, but I mean Vance. | ||
| Yeah, I mean Vance is the vice president. | ||
| So Vance is clearly next in line in 2028. | ||
| But who's the Charlie Kirk was only 31. | ||
| But he yeah, I know. | ||
| He's the but Charlie's the guy that moves mountains. | ||
| He's the guy that people believe and will follow to the end. | ||
| In 13, 14 years, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean he was going to be the king of that political. | ||
| And he kind of got Trump elected. | ||
| Like he not single-handedly, but efforts of great. | ||
| Oh, I think he's turning point, yeah. | ||
| I think he did out the youth vote. | ||
| He got out the youth vote. | ||
| Yeah, RNC advantage. | ||
| He made it fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the the videos of him at these events at colleges were something you wanted to be a part of. | ||
| That it's it's it's incredible. | ||
| And that's what they feared about him. | ||
| He was it was cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He built this machine. | ||
| That's hard enough. | ||
| He was he built a culture, and that's hard enough. | ||
| He's one of the most effective political figures of our generation or of the past hundred years. | ||
| Yeah, I mean I think that I do think that the reason that they they went after him is because of how effective he was. | ||
| I mean, how how long was Turning Points uh an organization? | ||
| 2014. | ||
| Five years, six years, something like that. | ||
| Or was it was it they think it started because he was 17 in 2011 there there's a tweet going around where Charlie Kirk was tweeting at Glenn Beck in 2011 and he was 17 years old. | ||
| 2012. | ||
| So 2012 oh really 2012. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So it launched Unity. | ||
| You know, I mean, so it's like in just over 10 years, he built this massive, massive influential organization that, you know, without question had an impact on getting the president elected. | ||
| 2023 revenue for TP USA. | ||
| What's your guess? | ||
| 500. | ||
| Uh 81 million dollars. | ||
| 500. | ||
| I think I thought they were I thought they were they were they were doing well, you know. | ||
| So that's incredible. | ||
| What I like about geez, Charlie is that he uh he wasn't really uh into spectacle. | ||
| I mean, he was, he knew how to lay it out, but he didn't seek it. | ||
| He didn't like try and get anything. | ||
| He was just being himself. | ||
| And people believed in him so much that they supported him building a an arena for it. | ||
| The other thing I think that was really effective in Charlie's message is he would come on college campuses. | ||
| I mean, I I'm a millennial, right? | ||
| And uh in time I was growing up, it was all about college. | ||
| He had to go to college. | ||
| Charlie would come and he would say, Look, if you're if you're gonna be here, you need to try to dedicate yourself to what you want to be doing. | ||
| Try to have a direction. | ||
| And it's not necessarily college isn't necessarily for everybody. | ||
| And I think in terms of uh moving towards technical schools, some of the work the Trump administration is doing on that. | ||
| Uh Charlie is a great communicator of of that point, and and it's the truth. | ||
| It was another thing that that he really brought to the equation. | ||
| He went to college. | ||
| He just did it in a way on his terms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He he didn't go to school. | ||
| He was certainly not uneducated. | ||
| He was extraordinary educated. | ||
| He he went to college in in the way that that is cool. | ||
| You go there and debate the kids on the campus. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it was his own his own personal great book series. | ||
| His wife? | ||
| His own personal great book series, you know. | ||
| Great books. | ||
| Like he just read everything. | ||
| He said you need to be focused, and he uh was a great communicator of of the Christian faith and the love of of you know Jesus and and uh prayer and I mean that was one of his messages uh in back in April when he came uh for one of his live events in in Wyoming, he focused. | ||
| I remember one exchange where that was really that really came out. | ||
| Charlie's wife and and children were there. | ||
| They were in Utah? | ||
| They were in attendance. | ||
| I didn't he they don't always go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's awful. | ||
| He was uh I I agree with what you're saying about his his his devotion to the Lord to the Christian ethos, and he but he was also like open to letting me splay out all my disbelief, and he just listened. | ||
| He loved it that I was willing to challenge him. | ||
| And um I wish we'd gone deeper. | ||
| Yeah, you frustrated him. | ||
| Oh, I'd just gotten started, baby. | ||
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I was ready to frustrate him for it was very frustrating all the way down. | |
| Ian fell off the stage at turning point USA because he didn't look where he was walking. | ||
| Yeah, didn't do a didn't do a once over the stage before the show. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Pilot error. | ||
| I I thought Ian was gonna be seriously hurt because it's like a five foot drop. | ||
| He was walking backwards and just off the stage. | ||
| It's magnetically elevated. | ||
| They call it effortless movement in uh in uh and what is it in uh that religion in the east somewhere. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| What's that Taoism? | ||
| Effortless move movement is like a blessing in Taoism. | ||
| You move with the flow. | ||
| But the the energy lifted me up as I fell. | ||
| That was my point. | ||
| I don't know what happens tomorrow. | ||
| I thought about Charlie was alive yesterday. | ||
| Like I'm thinking eight hours ago he was fine, or ten hours ago. | ||
| He was tweeting. | ||
| We were just talking about the murder of Arena Zarutka and this this this random killing. | ||
| And the media uh Van Jones called him a race monger, called him out. | ||
| The joke I made last night about Van Jones was that he singled out Charlie Kirk when we're all sitting right here. | ||
| We had we had a we had a bunch of people on the show. | ||
| It's like each and every one of us is criticized in all the same way, and I was joking. | ||
| But Van Jones was saying Charlie Kirk is a race monger for daring to bring this up. | ||
| That was shocking that he did that. | ||
| We ran a story on that because I thought that that was absolutely out of control that he did that. | ||
| And all of these people claiming white supremacists are the root of all evil, and by it was by I was on Charlie Kirk's show this morning with Andrew Colvet, his producer, talking exactly about Arena Zarutska and talking about all of this stuff and this rhetoric about you know, white supremacists commit all of these crimes. | ||
| And we were looking at the data and it's not there. | ||
| Like the data just isn't there, you know, that they're referring to. | ||
| They're talking about 2022 when white supremacy was defined by the Biden administration to be like anything, right? | ||
| They had like they had like um the what was it, the pulse nightclub shooting? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They had that listed as white supremacy. | ||
| And it's like that Islamic terror attack. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, like all of this stuff. | ||
| And um, or maybe it wasn't that way, it was in Colorado. | ||
| Anyway, I don't have all of my facts straight on it. | ||
| But the Biden administration said the Biden FBI said that white supremacy and uh white supremacist domestic extremism was like the biggest threat facing the country. | ||
| And that was just a blatant outright lie. | ||
| They were going after that FBI was targeting Christians. | ||
| Like we have the memos. | ||
| Jim Jordan looked into it. | ||
| That was literally happening. | ||
| And then just a few years later, these leftists who are no longer in power, who no longer have the deep state at their command, who no longer have the FBI to run cover for their racism, are out here killing honorable men. | ||
| I was thinking yesterday about crime stats because there was a kind of a conversation last night. | ||
| And one of the things I noticed about crime stats, like, say, Say in the past, 30%, 30 times more crime was committed by black men in this neighborhood. | ||
| And then but the error is when people's like, therefore, you as a black man in the future are 30 times more likely to commit a crime. | ||
| No, the past doesn't dictate future behavior. | ||
| It indicates what happened. | ||
| Well, and every man gets to make his own decisions. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And and that kids need to know that. | ||
| They should not feel like because I'm in this, it means that it's like you can extricate yourself from the situation, you can change. | ||
| You're not a statistic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also there is a correlation, and you know, why is there correlation of violence in certain communities? | ||
| It could be due to like I think a lot of it is people want to throw money at poverty and get them out of poverty, but it's like what is the money buy? | ||
| And the main thing you should be buying is nutrition because generationally, if generationally, if you have nutrition, your kids will develop the phone. | ||
| Well, they don't like that either, right? | ||
| I mean, the leftists are angry at RFK Jr. for doing that. | ||
| Well, let me feel your kids will develop IQ, and over time, people with high IQ will become creative and they'll solve the problems around them lifting themselves out of poverty naturally. | ||
| So I want to I want to share I share with you guys this clip from that that's MSNBC. | ||
| This is this, of course, is before they knew that uh he had died, but I want to show you this. | ||
| MSNBC has issued an apology. | ||
| I believe it was for this clip, but let me play this clip for you. | ||
| Yes, then lead to hateful actions. | ||
| And I think that's the environment we're in that that people just you can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. | ||
| And that's the fortunate line hearing for his own. | ||
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I Turning Point USA has confirmed that he was shot. | |
| Um and there are a number of the You can't uh say these awful things and not expect an awful reaction. | ||
| So MSNBC issued a statement during our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate and sensitive and acceptable. | ||
| He apologized for his statements, as has he. | ||
| There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise. | ||
| It is it's funny that they're now issuing these these apologies, but the entire time that MSNBC lied and claimed that Trump was a spy of a foreign country, that his supporters were white supremacists that have bubbled up to this degree, they only now, after years of pushing this, say, oops, about one thing one guy said that uh today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they've pushed this same rhetoric day in, day out. | ||
| Almost every single one of their on-air personalities has been pushing this day in and day out. | ||
| And they will swear up and down that the right are guilty of stochastic terrorism, while they have done everything they can to demonize everyone on the right. | ||
| Again, Charlie Kirk, who is very milked, average everyday Republican, not extreme in any way, and they will call him all of these horrible things because he has opinions that are different to theirs. | ||
| And it's it's it's unconscionable that this is a continu that they continue to do it because they're gonna do it tomorrow. | ||
| Like they're not gonna stop. | ||
| Like I wish they would, but the same people are gonna make the same comments tomorrow. | ||
| There's this, there's you see it on X all the time. | ||
| The it is the the only silver lining that I see is most of our politicians, most of the Democrat politicians have had reasonable responses. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| AI AOC has said some garbage stuff. | ||
| Um, how about on the House floor? | ||
| That was disgusting. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Not all of them, but most of them have had reasonable responses to this. | ||
| A few of them have said, well, you know, it's a gun control problem, which is infuriating. | ||
| Um thankfully, at least the politicians are smart enough to make to have a reasonable response. | ||
| But when it comes to uh pundits and and other people on the left, it is the same garbage celebrating the this murder. | ||
| This is it's it's just it's disheartening and it's disgusting. | ||
| The the comment from many people throughout uh my earlier stream and many in the chat right now is civil war. | ||
| Uh there was a comment someone made uh earlier that I I should just put it like this. | ||
| You you go on X. You look in the chat, everybody is saying that this is a catalyst moment. | ||
| I have an ex post that's going viral. | ||
| I'm not gonna read it. | ||
| It has 15 million views, 15,800 retweets, reposts, in which a Democratic socialist celebrates the death of Charlie, says it's good, advocates for more. | ||
| And my concern is this this sentiment celebrating it. | ||
| They celebrated Luigi Luigi Manjione. | ||
| As y'all were Pointing out earlier that they're going to, when they find out who this shooter is, he may they're they're gonna make him a millionaire. | ||
| They're gonna give him he's he's he's he's gonna want for nothing. | ||
| They're gonna celebrate him like some kind of hero. | ||
| This is I went to Northern Ireland, and they have the peace wall. | ||
| On one side is pro-Israel, and the other side is pro-Palestine. | ||
| And I asked one of the guys, one of the locals, how does that make sense? | ||
| Ireland. | ||
| And he says, none of it makes sense. | ||
| It's just one side hates the other. | ||
| He showed me this location where I don't know the full details. | ||
| I'm sure those of you that are watching know much better than I. But it was a memorial to civilian citizens who were massacred. | ||
| Several guys with guns during the troubles just went and just shot up some public location, killing a bunch of innocent people. | ||
| And one side celebrated it. | ||
| They did not care who was killed or why they were killed, just that their enemy was killed. | ||
| These people on the left don't know anything about Charlie. | ||
| There's a really great video called This Video, I believe I believe it's called This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Gray. | ||
| It's an oldie, but it's a goodie. | ||
| And he explains that online there are communities that are forming. | ||
| And he makes this point he says no matter which community you think this is about, it is not about you. | ||
| I am not talking about you and those you're disagreeing with. | ||
| But he points out that it seems like there's two groups yelling at each other. | ||
| That's not what's happening. | ||
| In fact, what's happening is there are two groups yelling to each other about the other. | ||
| These leftists don't actually know what Charlie believes. | ||
| They don't know what he stands for. | ||
| They only know what was told of them by another psychopath about Charlie, which is likely incorrect. | ||
| This leads them to radicalization, where they then go and kill a good man. | ||
| I'm not the only one who deals with this. | ||
| Other prominent personalities deal with this. | ||
| But we recently started working with a guy who said when people found out he was working with with us, they started saying that, oh, you gotta watch out for Tim Poole because he does this, that, this, and otherwise, and saying things about me that were just completely false. | ||
| And he was like, That's not true. | ||
| It's like I met him. | ||
| That none of that's true. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| But they just make it up. | ||
| They tell each other, and they create a fake image of who Charlie is, who we are, what we believe. | ||
| They get radicalized by it. | ||
| Then they are told by MSNBC and the New York Times and CNN and Van Jones, white supremacist, fascists, hate mongers. | ||
| Let me put it like this. | ||
| Back in the day, if you saw, if there was like a neo-Nazi guy, literally with tattoos, walking around causing problems, people in the community would be like, hey man, we don't want you around here. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| A genuine, violent white supremacist screaming and yelling and threatening black people or whatever. | ||
| People are gonna be like, get out of here. | ||
| We don't want that. | ||
| We don't tolerate that. | ||
| That's still true to this day among most of us. | ||
| We we don't want to tolerate. | ||
| There was a man who showed up to a patriot prayer event several years ago in Portland, screaming the N-word and throwing up Hitler salutes. | ||
| And the Patriot Prayer kicked him out. | ||
| They said, get out of here. | ||
| We don't want any of that. | ||
| We don't want violent racists coming in here. | ||
| That feeling you get when you're confronted by a psychopath, that feeling that you understand of why you would not want to associate with that person. | ||
| These radicalized leftists are told that about you, about me, about Ian, about Libby, about Phil. | ||
| So imagine the most vile person you can think of that you would not want to associate with. | ||
| The left genuinely genuinely believes you are that. | ||
| And when you go to them and say, You're not a white supremacist and you actually don't like white supremacy, they're also trained. | ||
| You're lying to them to trick them. | ||
| So there's nothing you can say to convince them. | ||
| So what happens? | ||
| Charlie Kirk is killed by these radicals, and on X right now, all of these viral posts are lying about who he is and using it to justify why they did what they did. | ||
| And to encourage more. | ||
| What do we do about it? | ||
| I wish I had answers, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Think about like a global war between communism and liberalism. | ||
| And uh we're like pawns on the board, man. | ||
| But how do you how do you win that war? | ||
| And then I guess you you can also think of it from the ground up, you know. | ||
| Eat healthy, be kind to your kids. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Um I hate to quote communists, but to quote the most famous communists Mao, um, political power comes down the barrel of the gun. | ||
| And I'm unsettled. | ||
| Am I misquoting? | ||
| No, no, go on, please. | ||
| I'm unsettled by how unfortunately true it is, So it seems uh that the difference a disenfranchised lunatic could make a motivated person, a person who's motivated and armed, how much damage they could do. | ||
| Um it was proven with the guy who got um a target on the president. | ||
| Um, you know, we've been seeing this with Luigi Magioni, we've been seeing this with the embassy workers, um, the Israeli embassy workers in DC. | ||
| Uh, we've been seeing attacks on Steve Scalise, that was quite a while ago. | ||
| But you know, the damage one motivated person can do is so detrimental to the fabric of our society. | ||
| Um, I feel like this will inevitably lead to more political violence. | ||
| Well on the the point of political violence, right? | ||
| We should not endorse political violence from individuals, but it's worth noting Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the office of the president, and the government has a monopoly on violence. | ||
| The government, the government, the government, well, they do, yes. | ||
| They uh legally they do. | ||
| Legally, but clearly not in practice here. | ||
| What do you so you're what are you saying that they don't? | ||
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So listen, I'm saying the government doesn't have a monopoly on power because we have the second amendment in beliefs. | |
| The idea shot up all the time. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| The idea of a monopoly on violence means that if they use violence, they will not actually go to jail. | ||
| You're just trying to distract what I'm saying with BS. | ||
| The government has a monopoly on violence. | ||
| Okay, that's not actually in question. | ||
| Whether or not they execute it or use it, that's that that depends on whether or not the president or the Congress or the DOJ will do their duty. | ||
| The point that I'm trying to make is while the conservatives have control of the government, they need to exercise power in whatever ways they can. | ||
| So I don't see a problem with actually trying to use the government to punish people that are engaging in inflammatory rhetoric because they're trying to incite violence, right? | ||
| If you're out here, if you're out here saying, Oh, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi, Trump's a Nazi. | ||
| The point of that, the intent, the reason they're saying it is because they want to incite this type of behavior. | ||
| That's incitement and that's illegal. | ||
| So maybe the government should start saying, unless you actually have some kind of evidence that someone's a Nazi, maybe the government should go and say, you're actually by calling people Nazi all the time, you're trying to incite violence, and we're gonna arrest you. | ||
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| That's antithetical. | ||
| That's basically what Trump just said. | ||
| Those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. | ||
| This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our And it must stop right now. | ||
| So maybe the government should exercise the power that it has. | ||
| So what? | ||
| Maybe the government should make it illegal to call people Nazis. | ||
| I'm not happy with how this played out, obviously, but like I don't think there's a clear-cut solution. | ||
| I don't think there's a clear-cut solution for the government to play here. | ||
| Wait, if I could finish. | ||
| I don't think the government could play uh have a clear solution here again when you have a motivated deranged individual who wants to kill somebody with a firearm. | ||
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We have the second amendment in this country not talking about taking anyone's firearm, no one's right away. | |
| No, but Phil, I'm trying to explain that I I got I don't think the government could do anything here given the freedoms of our country and the motivations of a deranged lunatic. | ||
| Perhaps it's illegal to punch a Nazi is incitement to violence. | ||
| You're not seriously advocating that we make it illegal to say punch a Nazi. | ||
| It's already illegal. | ||
| It is incitement to violence. | ||
| We don't have to do anything. | ||
| If if you tell someone, if you say in a single sentence, so this is the problem. | ||
| That's why they call it stochastic terrorism. | ||
| Free the limit of free speech is a clear and imminent threat, giving someone instruction, time and place, and a target. | ||
| If you just say you should do this thing, it's not uh illegal. | ||
| So punch a Nazi in and of itself is not incitement. | ||
| If you said in the same sentence, Phil is a Nazi, punch a Nazi, then be like more instructional. | ||
| When they're saying Trump's a Nazi, but this is the point is that. | ||
| That's what we've been getting. | ||
| We've been getting time and place, right? | ||
| Like when I go out to when I go out to pro when I've gone out to protest and covered stuff, and when I've gone out to protest to speak up for women, right? | ||
| And you have people there going, punch a turf, and like I'm gonna get you layering it. | ||
| They're layering it. | ||
| So the point is there. | ||
| They are who they mean. | ||
| The left has successfully navigated our legal system to destroy us every step of the way. | ||
| So you will get 100 people in on one side of the street screaming, punch a Nazi, which they know is protected, and the other side will point at a lot and say, That's the Nazi. | ||
| Neither of them have spoken the single singular thing. | ||
| And then they are they are telling everybody without saying it individually. | ||
| And we saw this in action in 2017 at Trump's first inauguration, when they instructed everybody, these these direct action far left groups to wear all black masks, jeans, hoodies, et cetera, show up in DC and engage in acts of violence. | ||
| And then they did. | ||
| They set a limousine on fire, they set fires in the street, they smashed windows, they attacked people, they flipped garbage cans. | ||
| And when the police arrested the group surrounding them all, that group filed a lawsuit against the government and won. | ||
| Because in the courts, our liberal, beautiful justice system, despite looking in the eyes of all of these people they knew intentionally wore these clothes and brought weapons and damaged and destroyed, they said, our legal system requires you prove the individual did it. | ||
| And when the police officer would say, I saw that guy do it, and I grabbed him and I arrested him, they would just simply say to the judge of the jury, how many other people there were wearing the exact same clothes? | ||
| To which the officer says, 200. | ||
| And they go, Is it then not reasonable to conclude this officer may have grabbed the wrong person by mistake who is innocent? | ||
| And they'll go, Yep. | ||
| So it is now no it is no longer beyond a reasonable doubt. | ||
| In fact, it's hard to know whether or not the cop was right when he said he grabbed the right guy, because too many people are wearing the same clothes. | ||
| So the government said, charge them with conspiracy. | ||
| They did this intentionally together to cover up the crimes committed by the people in their group who intended to engage in violence, and they failed. | ||
| Then, because of the arrest, the organiz the organizers, and I think it might was probably like the ACLU or lawyers, one of these liberal organizations, press organizations, sued the city they want to think it was a million dollars. | ||
| This system cannot survive. | ||
| Now, I love the English common law system that we have, it makes total sense to protect the innocent. | ||
| But communists looked at our plan and said, we can find every hole and break it. | ||
| And they are. | ||
| And there's no there's no there's no simple solution. | ||
| This is why there is weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men, strong men make good times, because there will come a time when a culture begins to break down. | ||
| Everything we're describing is a bifurcation of American culture where one side says we must destroy the other. | ||
| The other side says, please leave me alone, or slow down their democrats. | ||
| They are actively working through our legal system, breaking it at every step, knowing how to exploit it, and we sit back and say there's nothing we can do about it. | ||
| Because the reality is, if we decide you can't call people Nazis, the people over there that are screaming punch a Nazi, you know what, we're gonna arrest you now because it is incitement. | ||
| The people over there saying those are Nazis, we're gonna call that incitement. | ||
| They're gonna clap and cheer because they've won. | ||
| They've destroyed our form of government, they've proved that we can't make it work. | ||
| They've already done that then. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| My that's my point. | ||
| So so the reaction then is national guard goes on the streets and we are in the worst place imaginable, but at least they're not shooting us anymore. | ||
| Well, I mean, that is better than people shooting us or getting into gunfights, right? | ||
| Like the the if the option is you have you have to use the authority in the government. | ||
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| Oh, finish your point. | ||
| No, well, if the option, if the option is that the power that the government has cannot be exercised, then there is then there you're leaving people with no other recourse other than to take the law into their own hands. | ||
| That and that's not what we want to see. | ||
| We don't want to go in either direction of anarcho-tyranny or tyranny. | ||
| And so the argument right now is Trump should deploy the National Guard to stop crime, and it is horrifying that he has to. | ||
| The ACLU press release, April 26th, 2021, DC to pay 1.6 million dollars to settle claims from 2017 inauguration day demonstrators. | ||
| People who showed up, I was there. | ||
| I was in the group that got arrested. | ||
| I got released because while I was in this group of largely violent far left extremists, journalists who were in there screaming at the cops at the top of their lungs and spinning on them, in advertis, not intentionally spitting, but like they're screaming in spits flying out. | ||
| I went to the side on the right. | ||
| I said to the officer standing there that was holding the entire group in with my hands up. | ||
| Just want to let you know I'm a journalist. | ||
| I have my press card with me. | ||
| And the cop looks past me and he just he just nods. | ||
| And then I said, if possible, I'd like to notify a supervisor. | ||
| And then the cop ignores me. | ||
| Eventually, one of the guys behind him says, okay, hold on. | ||
| He yells to a cop, Lieutenant Washington walks over. | ||
| I remember his name. | ||
| And this is 2017. | ||
| And he says, What do you need? | ||
| And I said, I just want to let you know I am a journalist. | ||
| I have my press credentials with me. | ||
| He goes, doesn't matter, you're all under arrest. | ||
| And I said, I'm just letting you know that's my job. | ||
| After about an hour, he walks over, there's a local news crew, and he says, Who are the journalists? | ||
| And I wave, they wave. | ||
| He removes us all, and he lets us go. | ||
| Because that's how you handle it. | ||
| Journalists who were with the extremists who masquerade as journalists are screaming in the face of the cops. | ||
| They got arrested and then claimed their rights were violated. | ||
| Being with the protesters and screaming in the face of cops is not going to get you. | ||
| So you shouldn't have been arrested, fine. | ||
| But I was there. | ||
| I watched these people set fires. | ||
| I watched them smash windows. | ||
| They all wore the same clothes. | ||
| I know many of these people from Occupy. | ||
| I have been in their meetings where they say black block tactics. | ||
| We all dress the same because then they can't convict us. | ||
| And they got away with it. | ||
| And they got paid 1.6 million dollars. | ||
| A system like that will not survive. | ||
| And that's what we're dealing with right now. | ||
| Secretary of State Gray, what do you think about all this stuff? | ||
| How are we supposed to handle cases like this? | ||
| Well, I think you know, for one, I think Charlie, what he did with the debate on the college campuses. | ||
| I understand what you're saying about live events earlier, Tim. | ||
| But what you talked about very eloquently about your show, the audience you have, the audience Charlie had with this show, which we had on our stations in Wyoming, because we have stations and we syndicated his show for uh on on those on those AM stations. | ||
| That is a big part of uh, you know, the answer in in terms of getting our arguments out there. | ||
| And and I think the other thing too that's really important to emphasize is you know, Charlie was a was a person that really believed in in history and legacy and our country. | ||
| Like I I think back to one of the other events that he did in uh with the Republican Party, and Lynn Frees, Foster Freeze, Lynn Freeze's husband was one of the first donors, the first donor to Turning Point, and uh was heavily involved in providing, you know, uh the capital and the resources to to get Charlie's idea off the ground. | ||
| And Foster passed away in 2021. | ||
| And uh to raise funds for the party, there was an auction for Foster's uh desk. | ||
| And Charlie was there, he gave the speech at that event, and he said, That's the desk where Foster told me that uh turning point uh that he was gonna help fund turning point to get it off the ground. | ||
| And he uh bid on that auction item and uh took that item home. | ||
| And it it showed me, you know, one of the things I I really think uh driving out here thinking about Charlie is is how much he really believed in legacy and and history and uh the foundations of our country. | ||
| He wants our country to succeed, and and we have to make sure as we evaluate these issues that you know we think about it uh in terms of of that lens, that vein. | ||
| Yeah, I I don't see a lot of success in the future. | ||
| You know, um again. | ||
| They killed the guy that was beating them at the argument. | ||
| And if you can't actually have a conversation without you know ending up dying on stage, you're you're there's not a lot of room, there's not a lot of direction left you can go. | ||
| A lot of this I remember uh uh a lot of that aspect of um not being able to talk to someone because you disagree with them. | ||
| I remember that distinctly starting in the 90s when I was in high school and then in college, um, and there was this idea that if you disagreed with somebody, or if somebody disagreed with you, right, and you thought that that person who disagreed with you was on the wrong side of history, right? | ||
| This stupid idiotic phrase. | ||
| That's an idiotic phrase. | ||
| Yes, was on the wrong side of history, then you could say, stop. | ||
| I don't even need to talk to you anymore because you are a racist, you're homophobic, you're whatever, eventually you're transphobic, right? | ||
| And so there was this idea that you don't even have to engage the other side of your argument if you can just blanketly say that argument is not worth having because your perspective is wrong. | ||
| And I I remember this perspective coming from friends' parents, right? | ||
| From friends, from um other students, from professors. | ||
| There was this idea of like, I don't have to talk to you. | ||
| I have now decided that you are ex-ist problem. | ||
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| And I don't have to talk to you. | ||
| And I remember at the time being like pretty grossed out by that perspective and saying so, like that's absurd. | ||
| Have the conversation. | ||
| Every concept, every idea is on the table and open for debate. | ||
| We're all, you know, we're all educated people here. | ||
| We can do that. | ||
| We can talk about anything. | ||
| And they've killed that. | ||
| There are a bunch of videos going viral of leftists. | ||
| TMZ also appeared. | ||
| That are basically saying this is just the beginning. | ||
| Y'all are next, things like that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And what I want to mention about these live events is one of the fears that we've we've talked about quite a bit is that uh uh that shot heard round the world moment, there are a lot of leftists that are sitting there itching to pull a trigger with this moment, we are now seeing them saying it's on, this is it. | ||
| The signal basically went out with Attack on Charlie. | ||
| That season has begun. | ||
| So it is open season. | ||
| Well, these leftists are basically what the attitude they're having now is have we started it? | ||
| We're starting it now. | ||
| The threat has increased exponentially. | ||
| If if you understand what I'm trying to say, right? | ||
| When this group believes that there's no resistance, they just stay at home. | ||
| With these videos that are going massively viral and they have tens of millions of views, they're all basically saying, it started, go do it now to each other. | ||
| Which means the risk factor at all these events is probably 100fold. | ||
| Do you see Baron Trump moved back to DC? | ||
| Really? | ||
| He's finishing college by living and living in the White House. | ||
| I think it's important not to underestimate the amount of vitriol that far leftists have for the average conservative, and that they you think you are generally um genuinely irredeemable, genuinely deplorable, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, same genocide supporter. | ||
| I think the same with them. | ||
| They they wholeheartedly believe that though, and uh to a degree that dehumanizes the average conservative uh that mindset is I I I think we really need to internalize them actually thinking that though. | ||
| Well, you know, I think to that point, it is worth noting that yeah, you're right. | ||
| That's that that to be honest with you, that should be obvious to everyone. | ||
| But these attitudes are prevalent enough among the left where I think that people need to also remember that should they get and I've said this before, should they get back into positions of power, they are a threat to every conservative, right? | ||
| The idea that they were they will that democrats will take control of the office of the executive and the house, and they won't use the Justice Department to go after conservatives, they absolutely will. | ||
| I don't even think that's the way that's the same. | ||
| And that is that is something what it the we're back in an era of political violence, not on the level of the government, but on the level of the vigilante. | ||
| No, but if the if the if the Democrats take the House again or take the House and the and the office of the executive, then the people the people. | ||
| Yeah, well, yeah, the people on the street will feel empowered because the government won't prosecute them. | ||
| Like the problem that Tim just laid out, right? | ||
| Where DAs and judges will not actually do things to prevent crime. | ||
| They will not use any kind of authority that they have to prevent crime. | ||
| That's only going to be exacerbated when the republic when the Democrats take back the positions of federal authority. | ||
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| Well, there's that's the way things go. | ||
| Ian, there's there's almost always. | ||
| I would love to think that it's gonna be Republicans from here on out. | ||
| Or just one crazy leftist, maybe non-extremists. | ||
| Those don't exist anymore. | ||
| Jasmine Crockett's on our way out. | ||
| Jasmine Crockett is not at all on her way out. | ||
| I thought she lost. | ||
| Didn't you say she's on her? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| She's one person. | ||
| Look at the way that people are talking on the internet about Charlie Kirk today. | ||
| You find what you look for, but yeah, I know what you mean. | ||
| So the left is rallying right now. | ||
| Like the the the tweets that I'm seeing. | ||
| Fifteen thousand retweets on an account with five thousand followers saying it's time more now. | ||
| It's been quiet for a month. | ||
| Trump's authority has silenced the, and you know when people get silenced, the voice of the unheard, you know what the voice of the unheard is, so they say violence. | ||
| Uh it's been a good thing. | ||
| The issue is Trump has been effective in shutting down the far left extremists, sending in the National Guard, these ice raids as people had voted for, and the left is doing exactly what we all thought was going to happen a year ago. | ||
| When we on this show said Donald Trump will use the National Guard. | ||
| We said it on the show. | ||
| I've been saying it. | ||
| Trump will engage in these ice raids. | ||
| I asked, I believe it was Sam Cedar, do you think Trump will use military with these with these uh with these uh immigration rates? | ||
| And Sam said, Yes. | ||
| He told me I was crazy for thinking civil war was possible, and I asked him. | ||
| If Trump wins, will he use the military for these for these immigration raids? | ||
| And he was like, Yes, I think so. | ||
| Are y'all gonna just let him do it? | ||
| He said, Pro probably, maybe not. | ||
| The left will not let Trump engage in these ice raids, deport people, nor send in the National Guard. | ||
| So what did we see? | ||
| We're seeing it now. | ||
| This is the escalation that I feared and we discussed over a year ago. | ||
| The National Guard has been deployed, the Marines were deployed. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| The National Guard and the Marines were deployed to LA because they were attacking and firebombing federal facilities. | ||
| So ICE is doing their job. | ||
| Operation Midway Blitz. | ||
| The left responds. | ||
| Right now online. | ||
| But I think it's fairly obvious that the assassination on Charlie Kirk is leftist motivated, left is carried out. | ||
| That's Occam's razor. | ||
| There seems to be no other reasonable explanation. | ||
| But for the sake of cash the investigation, I'll defer to them to figure out what they you know when they when they do if they do. | ||
| Regardless of what actually ends up turning out to be the core facts in the case, one thing is clear. | ||
| Everyone in this country on the right believes it was a left that did it. | ||
| The left is celebrating it and believing the left did it as well. | ||
| The left is active on X, Blue Sky, and other platforms, even occupied Democrats celebrating his death. | ||
| Celebrating it. | ||
| Saying, well, he was a fascist, and the comments are all agreeing. | ||
| They are issuing their rallying cries now. | ||
| It's exactly as we predicted. | ||
| Yeah, it sort of is. | ||
| Um I see, I don't want to blame the Chinese for everything. | ||
| But when you say leftism, I think of communism, and then I think of stalwart CCP would love nothing more than to see their greatest enemy kill itself. | ||
| And and if you could incite that by getting one side of that country to hate the other side, ooh, what a win for you, because then they don't even know you did it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's so much longer of a game than that. | ||
| I mean, it's been it's been stewing in colleges and and on the left for ages now. | ||
| Not just the Chinese. | ||
| We are going to uh we're gonna go to chats. | ||
| Uh so smash the like button, share the show, all that good stuff. | ||
| We uh for obvious reasons. | ||
| We didn't do our standard promos or anything like the normal show. | ||
| This is much more uh serious than that. | ||
| Super chats and rumble rants are your guys' comments and thoughts on the matter, so we will read those uh as much as we can. | ||
| Uh Shane H Walder says, I hope I'm pronouncing this right. | ||
| Rakwias, uh Rockwi Scott, how do you pronounce it? | ||
| Rock with Scott Impace, Charlie, the Italian Rest in Peace. | ||
| Mike Schmidt spoke on his death saying it would be a defect of humanity not to experience anger. | ||
| We need that we need to use that anger to do good until we meet again, Charlie. | ||
| Cheeseburger says, Tim, start a crowdfund to support Charlie Kirk's family. | ||
| Consider this a donation. | ||
| I hope there is one. | ||
| Let me see if I can find one. | ||
| Probably a give send go. | ||
| There is four hours ago. | ||
| Uh I can't. | ||
| I don't know if I can find a link. | ||
| I don't think I can find a link. | ||
| Uh it appears there is one. | ||
| I can't find it though. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Maybe Gibbs and Go just has it. | ||
| Trending campaigns. | ||
| There is a campaign here for Charlie Kirk's family. | ||
| Make sure it's real. | ||
| Well, it's on Gives and Go. | ||
| Their goal is a million dollars they've raised so far, 25,000. | ||
| Uh don't know who said it up, but it's on the front page of Gifts and Go. | ||
| We we like gives and go. | ||
| Those guys are great. | ||
| We've had him on the show several times, so I uh I feel for for Charlie's family, man. | ||
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| CB85 says Charlie proclaimed proclaimed Jesus as Lord, and now he is with his savior and Lord. | ||
| Trump lives, Charlie goes home, God is Lord. | ||
| It is still sad to hear, you know. | ||
| I know Trump says we take silence that he is with Jesus and things like that. | ||
| And I respect that tremendously, but it is still hard to hear. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| He could have been alive for another 40 years. | ||
| Such a young man. | ||
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| Solace. | ||
| Uh Solace is enjoying. | ||
| Remember that. | ||
| Accomplished so much. | ||
| Some of these some of these chats, guys, I respect, but it's just hard to read. | ||
| It's hard to read. | ||
| 3D Pyromaniac says the left has now officially killed the moderate right. | ||
| He valued open debate over violence, and the effing killed him for it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because he was right about everything. | ||
| This was the way to win. | ||
| These conversations in public to prove his point. | ||
| And they knew that the only way they win is through controlling the flow of information and lying. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's a lot of these rumble rants and chats that I can't read, but they're not that bad. | ||
| I'm not trying to make it seem like they're really crazy or anything. | ||
| It's just people are angry. | ||
| Mason M93 says Charlie Kirk was born the same year I was and has done more than I am likely ever to do. | ||
| Why does it feel like every day the left is daring the right to be the worst version of itself? | ||
| Sir, I only tell you if you really feel that Charlie has done more than you uh you ever would or ever could do. | ||
| Now is the time to do ten times more than you're doing now, because without Charlie, someone's gonna have to carry that weight. | ||
| And we're looking at you, man. | ||
| We're looking at everybody. | ||
| Jumped up pleb says, as Nick Friedas said, they didn't kill him because he was hateful, but because he was effective. | ||
| He was the best of us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| May God welcome him and strengthen his family. | ||
| Omni Stone Herald says Asmund Gold referred to Charlie as a right wing extremist, not really sure what he thought was extreme. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| Doesn't sound like Aswin Gold. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Unravel Guardian says, Phil, I said that a week ago. | ||
| These people are not liberals. | ||
| We haven't lost that conversation. | ||
| I hope this turning point leads to a better America, but I fear the civil war is still ahead. | ||
| Rip CG CJK. | ||
| Was that his middle name? | ||
| Joseph. | ||
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| Charlie Kirk. | ||
| I believe it was a JS. | ||
| James. | ||
| Charlie James Kirk. | ||
| Charles. | ||
| Aussie Brad says the Charlie news is all over the Australian news and social media. | ||
| He wasn't just a Christian and conservative icon in the US, but throughout the world. | ||
| This event will be a major catalyst in change. | ||
| Turning point UK. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there were so many um global leaders who were posting their sadness at his passing as well. | ||
| Well, Charlie had been doing some events in the UK about how they needed to turn things around there. | ||
| Yeah, those fascinating debates at Cambridge. | ||
| Yep, exactly. | ||
| He was more than a really interesting Christian or a or conservative. | ||
| Like he was just a guy, like a really amazing guy. | ||
| And found himself in politics and born in the United States, but what a guy. | ||
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| There's there's there's videos breaking down the left-wing media coverage of the assassination. | ||
| So hard to watch. | ||
| You don't want to watch it. | ||
| Just brainwashing of brainwashing. | ||
| It's just celebrating. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Just anger-inducing. | ||
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| Trash. | ||
| Let's uh grab. | ||
| There are many, many, many, many rumble ransom chats. | ||
| And so I'm just I'm I'm being as select as if I can with the time that we have. | ||
| And so Jim Pfaff says, I stand with Javier Millet's statement. | ||
| The left is dedicated to anything, including violence to get their way. | ||
| We must resolve to oppose leftists in the Democratic Party. | ||
| Yes, that is true. | ||
| So crazy what they did Tianman Square in China in 19 early 90s, the wid their willingness to just bowl over those people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you you can't find out about that in China. | ||
| So when Chinese goes go abroad and they find out about it, like they never learned about it. | ||
| It's been effectively covered up in China. | ||
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| Random guys is a part of me died today, and I fear what's being reborn in its place. | ||
| We're being singled out, demonized, and killed, and I'm just tired of it. | ||
| Tired of it all. | ||
| I feel hurt and alone beyond belief because nobody cares around me. | ||
| I I I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call for my my liberal friends. | ||
| I've I've I've got people that I've known for decades, and we still talk periodically, but they post these ish lib memes all the time that's just fake, and I'm constantly hitting up being like that's not real. | ||
| And I'm hoping that this is a wake-up call. | ||
| I I, you know, I there was a post about Hassan. | ||
| I think it was from the New York Times. | ||
| I don't know what he said. | ||
| But the reporting is that he is telling people to stop celebrating this because he's next. | ||
| The thing they're celebrating will come for him all the same, and we don't want to be in that arena. | ||
| You was gonna debate, they were gonna debate in two weeks. | ||
| They were supposed to debate in two weeks. | ||
| I saw the video of Hassan seeing the video of Charlie being killed. | ||
| They didn't show it, but his reaction is very human. | ||
| Well, it was it's absolutely horrifying. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That video is absolutely devastating. | ||
| I got issues with Hassan for sure, but I've we've looked at his YouTube channel and I've defended it. | ||
| Because as much as I don't agree with his views and I think they're ill-informed, his channel is actually just a collection of the news story similar to what we do, but with bad views. | ||
| And I'm sure he says same of us. | ||
| While some of these other people just spam blast Trump Trump, Trump Trump, Trump Trump. | ||
| He doesn't do that. | ||
| And so we're allowed to disagree, and I appreciate he doesn't. | ||
| He's not like Sam Cedar who just says my name 24-7. | ||
| Bro, Sam's made like three videos about me already, like in the past couple of days. | ||
| When I was gone for August sick, he didn't make a single video about me, and his views dropped 20%. | ||
| No joke. | ||
| Hassan doesn't do that. | ||
| So I can I can respect Hassan, his views I disagree with, and that's always been okay. | ||
| And he and you know, I don't know. | ||
| I I think he says bad things. | ||
| But some of these people, they're grifters, they're bad. | ||
| Hassan's not innocent, not perfect, but I can at least give him that. | ||
| Well, it is also 9-11 tomorrow. | ||
| He did say, I believe the quote was America deserved 9-11. | ||
| Like I wouldn't have to do with the business if I didn't. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| Like after your nice people, oh, maybe he does nice news coverage. | ||
| He's also a communist piece of who believes that America deserved 9-11. | ||
| And it just also is tomorrow. | ||
| But when he says happens to be tomorrow. | ||
| When he says don't be violent, stop encouraging that things like that. | ||
| I'm like, okay, good. | ||
| You could if you're a communist and you're not advocating that we go around committing violence against each other, then all I have to do is argue against you. | ||
| I know I'm gonna win. | ||
| I'm sure he's very careful with his words now. | ||
| Post his comments in the past. | ||
| Uh and I'm not gonna say What I believe he really thinks. | ||
| Sam Hyde woke him up. | ||
| He's an anti-American communist. | ||
| That's all there is to it. | ||
| He's anti-American. | ||
| I think when Sam Hyde went to that arena and said he was going to kill Hassan, Hassan, that was a hard wake-up call for him. | ||
| I also will say this with all due respect to Sam Howdo, I think is a funny guy. | ||
| I think he's a smart guy. | ||
| I've got no beef. | ||
| I don't I don't mean to be disrespectful. | ||
| But I think that was inappropriate that he said that, that he was going to kill Hassan. | ||
| And the reason is, he said, not as a joke in real life. | ||
| And people tell me, oh, he was just joking. | ||
| I'm like, no, it's not a joke. | ||
| There are people who follow Hassan who saw that and said, this proves the far right are racists who want to kill us. | ||
| We got to do it first. | ||
| It escalates things in an insane, insane way. | ||
| And you can't just be like, I was joking. | ||
| Not to these people. | ||
| We have people come on this show and say things where, like, if you really were on the left and you believed this, then you would go do this thing. | ||
| And we're like, shows off the air. | ||
| And they're like, well, I was saying hypothetically, and I'm like, there are leftists who see this show, and you just told them to be violent. | ||
| Like it, it's the a cult of cult of violence is cult to violence. | ||
| We'll get we'll get banned for it. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| So when he did that, joke or otherwise, liberals heard it. | ||
| And they don't think it's a joke. | ||
| Hassan didn't think it was a joke. | ||
| He and people make fun of him for it. | ||
| And I'm like, I get why he's freaking out, bro. | ||
| Like, we have to deal with this stuff. | ||
| So I'm I I I don't like Hassan's views and the things he says, I get that, but I understand why that escalation is bad. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What do we have here? | ||
| I'm trying to be selective. | ||
| Sorry, guys. | ||
| GF says this is our generation's MLK event. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly right. | ||
| It's the truth. | ||
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That's entirely the truth. | |
| Do you guys think there's a risk of civil war? | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I've been studying a lot about the American Civil War. | ||
| It would be a different type of thing completely. | ||
| It would be like uh a dismantling of the United States by eight different countries, corporations, local communities. | ||
| It would be like finding your cousin in a landfill with his arms tied behind his back by with piano wire and drill holes in his thighs. | ||
| It would be like what goes on in Mexico. | ||
| It would be heads on the side of roads. | ||
| Probably like the water would be, it wouldn't be a it wouldn't be armed factions the way like you know, people fighting the way that you think about armed like what war now. | ||
| It would be so it would be chaotic, it would be brutal. | ||
| It is not at all what people think it is. | ||
| People hiding in schools. | ||
| I mean, I think in a lot, and and us being like, well, we have to attack them in the school, we have to blow up the school because they're harboring terrorists and all this bull. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no. | ||
| But yes, there is a threat. | ||
| The one one of my friends asked me today. | ||
| We were sitting down, and this was still in the midst of not knowing what had happened to Charlie, and uh I wanted everything just to believe that he was okay. | ||
| And I got sent one of the videos, and within looking at the first frame, I threw my phone and started crying because I knew, even though I didn't want to believe it, I didn't I didn't know for sure, but I mean you knew. | ||
| And my friend said this could lead to civil war. | ||
| And this is not a political dude. | ||
| This is escape order. | ||
| He doesn't know anything about politics at all. | ||
| And I said, bro, this is exactly what war looks like. | ||
| It's not like maybe it might happen. | ||
| The question now is with the left's response about escalation, if they if they actually start taking up on it. | ||
| My other fear is that people on the right might escalate as well. | ||
| But people seem to think war is like a bunch of troops marching towards each other. | ||
| They've never watched a video from Syria during the Civil War. | ||
| Two guys in one building in a residential neighborhood, nothing else. | ||
| And then a bunch of people get shot and they're dead. | ||
| That's what war looks like. | ||
| It looks like a car pulls in and a bunch of guys with guns jump out, and it's a shopping district, and you're just buying some some melons, and you look around, they run in, start grabbing a bunch of stuff, throwing it in the truck, they shoot a bunch of people, get in their truck and leave. | ||
| That's what civil war looks like. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The American Civil War was several sovereign states And a union that had fractured. | ||
| And these sovereign states had standing armies. | ||
| Civil war around the world is not like that. | ||
| There is no unified standing army. | ||
| Factions break apart. | ||
| In Syria, for instance, there were something like 12 factions at the start of the civil war. | ||
| But we look to America and we think civil war is going to be one side and another side linking up and then going to war. | ||
| No, that's just war. | ||
| And that's that's that's archaic. | ||
| What we are more likely to see in this country is factional. | ||
| There's going to be different sects of leftism. | ||
| There's going to be different sects of right wing conservative groups and moderate groups. | ||
| There's different cultures. | ||
| And if civil war were to happen, what'll it look like for you? | ||
| Most, most of you. | ||
| Nothing will change except for what you hear on the news. | ||
| You'll you'll you'll go to work, prices will go up. | ||
| You'll go grocery shopping, and you'll be like, well, I guess I'm not buying avocado anymore. | ||
| Why? | ||
| You'll hear on the news that certain roads, freeways from the south had been bombed. | ||
| And you'll be like, yeah, the trucks can't get through. | ||
| But your grains and your stable products that are manufactured in your region probably will still be there, but the prices will go up a little bit. | ||
| That's what civil war will look like. | ||
| For people in big cities, a lot of these cities probably won't see a thing. | ||
| It's when I had this conversation with people, it's interesting because they believe I hear this all the time. | ||
| Like when I went on the trigonometry podcast, they said, I go outside, nothing's happening. | ||
| That's what civil war. | ||
| And my question is always do you think that in Atlanta in 1863, a guy walked out of his house and his neighbor looked at him and said they would ooh, I'm gonna fight you. | ||
| No, they were neighbors. | ||
| They lived in the same city, they believed the same things. | ||
| DC's 80%, 90% Democrat. | ||
| No one there's arguing with each other. | ||
| But these people in other areas do. | ||
| The question becomes in these cities, what will we likely see? | ||
| Insurgency. | ||
| Uh meaning, why why would a why would an Antifa group in Portland shoot and kill other antifa? | ||
| They're not going to do it. | ||
| When the far left took over the Capitol Hill autonomous zone, they called it, a handful of people died because they were paranoid and panicked and shot them up. | ||
| But all in all, what did they do? | ||
| They got a bunch of guns, surrounded this area, took over buildings, and told people they couldn't come in. | ||
| Now, if you were a right right wing group with mega hats on and you approach them, they'd shoot and kill you. | ||
| Why do I think that? | ||
| How do I know that? | ||
| Because some kids were in a vehicle, they were joyriding teenagers. | ||
| Someone spread a rumor that they were white supremacists, so the armed Chaz guards unloaded on them and killed them without investigating, without knowing. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| That's what civil war looks like. | ||
| Now, here's the thing. | ||
| At the time, people said, Yeah, Tim, but it happened and there was no civil war. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Periods of civil strife don't always lead to civil war. | ||
| The next step in civil strife becomes civil war. | ||
| The civil rights era of the United States was a civil strife period. | ||
| It did not lead to civil war. | ||
| What we are dealing with right now may just be civil strife. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| But based on what the left is saying, we have two major considerations. | ||
| The deployment of the National Guard and military, ice raids across the country, that is federal military and law enforcement action to a greater degree than seen in the past 10, 20 years. | ||
| The assassination of Charlie Kirk and the rhetoric on the left calling for war within the same day. | ||
| If the left decides to take action and we start seeing these armed groups like Chess Chop pop up and they say it's time to fight back against IC, the only question then becomes when we collectively just think, yeah, maybe it's a civil war. | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting. | ||
| And what is a what is a civil war look like, if not the violent leftists versus the law enforcement, you know? | ||
| And it's not necessarily local government, but but take a look right now at the crime in Chicago, and Trump says we want to send the National Guard, and Pritzker says no. | ||
| It's exactly what we said last year on this show that Trump would try to deploy the National Guard, the blue states would say no, and we already saw the conflict with Newsom trying to seize, take command of the National Guard from Trump. | ||
| This is all standing before us. | ||
| I don't, I don't, I don't know what it looks like, but I'll tell you this in the Syrian Civil War, how did it start? | ||
| There were protests. | ||
| The government fired on protesters, various factions popped up, started shooting back. | ||
| It was not or A versus B. It was not blue versus red. | ||
| It was random group over here, random group over here, Random group over there. | ||
| After a year or so, they started to coalesce. | ||
| And then it was ultimately ISIS that basically took everything over and shut down the more moderate reformists. | ||
| This is the recent civil war you're talking about in Syria. | ||
| Ten years ago. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It started with with a dozen or so factions. | ||
| They were different factions that were not aligned politically. | ||
| They didn't organize with each other versus the government. | ||
| And their argument was the government was shooting and killing protesters. | ||
| The government argued they were terrorists that were inciting destabilization of the country. | ||
| After a long enough period of destabilization, ISIS, El Nursra, and other groups started to force these people to join them or die, creating a power structure under one umbrella, which created ISIS over the whole region. | ||
| Some speculate. | ||
| And the Kurds, I believe, against ISIS. | ||
| And then the other side was also being supported by Russia. | ||
| Turkey's involved. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of people that when they hear, oh, you know, the US made ISIS or whatever, they think that like it was the United States trying to create this group. | ||
| These people already had these ideas and they had these desires. | ||
| They had they totally had agency. | ||
| They were motivated to do this. | ||
| What the United States did was gave them arms. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Like the U.S. didn't have to tell them, hey, we want you to do this, we want you to do that. | ||
| They already had all these plans and all these things they wanted to do. | ||
| The United States didn't have to convince ISIS you should try to reinstate a caliphate. | ||
| They already wanted that. | ||
| What the US did was gave them arms and money. | ||
| So we are going to uh so Shane Cashman, host of Tales from Inver from the Inverted World, is going live right now. | ||
| And he also knew Charlie and hit. | ||
| He has uh been at our events. | ||
| Uh normally his show discusses the weird, the wild. | ||
| It's kind of the uh the pressure release of Timcast IRL after you see all the craziness, Shane, Brandon, and Alex. | ||
| They will do a show where you get to goof off and talk about aliens and bigfoot and ghosts. | ||
| Anyone can call into the show. | ||
| But today, he is going to be discussing one of i i the most consequential story of our generation, maybe of the past fifty years. | ||
| On par with some of the most pressing stories of the past century. | ||
| He'll be discussing the Charlie Kirk story. | ||
| So we are going to go to the uncensored portion of the show at Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL. | ||
| But uh for those of you that are that are uh watching on YouTube and uh the non-premium rumble, I encourage you to to s to subscribe to Tales from the Inverted World and hear Shane out as he as he discusses you know his thoughts on this. | ||
| He wasn't here to talk with us about it, but he's gonna be doing his show now. | ||
| So uh you can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast. | ||
| Please uh hit that like button, subscribe, all that good stuff. | ||
| Uh yeah, uh you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Good sir. | ||
| I mean, it's been a heck of a show. | ||
| Yeah, it's uh it's a sad day, and we will not be silenced though. | ||
| We have to keep uh the the mantle torch going uh that Charlie has uh been doing for all these years, and we're going to. | ||
| I'm I'm I know we will. | ||
| Right on, man. | ||
| Uh I'm Libby Emmons, and you can find me on Twitter. | ||
| And thank you for sticking with us tonight as we tried to make sense of the completely nonsensible. | ||
| Thank you for tuning in tonight, everybody. | ||
| My name's Aladd Eliyahu. | ||
| I'm the White House correspondent here. | ||
| You can find me at Allah on everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ian Crosslin is where you'll find me on the internet at Ian Crosslin and Chuck. | ||
| I just wanted to point out your Chuck for Wyoming on X. People can follow you there. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Good to meet you, man. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| And Phil. | ||
| Uh, I am Phil that remains on Twix. | ||
| Um today I want to sign off. | ||
| I saw Sectary of War uh tweeted this today. | ||
| It was uh Matthew 25 23. | ||
| Well done, good and faithful servant. | ||
| Rest in peace, Charlie. | ||
| Please join us at Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL. | ||
| We will continue this conversation, uncensored portion, and we'll see you all there in a few seconds. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Yeah, I mean, we're chilling. | ||
| Hey, everybody, man. | ||
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My body hurts all over. | |
| It's it's it's it's just like a wild um. | ||
| My day was so was going so well. | ||
| And I don't mean to be flippant and anything, but uh, you know, by saying this or dismissive. | ||
| I I had I mean I'm a nerd. | ||
| I got my magic cards behind me, you know. | ||
| I ordered some new magic card collectibles. | ||
| I did my work this morning. | ||
| I've got a new show, YouTube uh at Tim Pool and Rumble at Tim Pool. | ||
| I'm working more, pushing as hard as I can. | ||
| Because I think uh I have to. | ||
| If you know if I don't, who will? | ||
| And I want to talk about things I think are important today on my Tim Pool channel. | ||
| I did uh talked about the gangs in Chicago, Nick Shirley's reporting, wrapped uh the live show at one. | ||
| We talked with uh Brandon Tatum about crime and violence in the black community. | ||
| Seemed like a very productive day with great conversations. | ||
| Uh I recorded a segment for the weekend on the internet, ads and the future of of content. | ||
| I walked out, some packages had arrived. | ||
| I saw my wife and my baby. | ||
| I said, let's go have a business meeting and get dinner, or you know, get get early dinner so we can go over the plans for the boonies. | ||
| I I was very it was a very good day. | ||
| I cracked a pack of Magic the Gathering and I pulled a $3,000 card. | ||
| Today? | ||
| Today. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Hell of a silver lining. | ||
| It's it's but it's but it's I I guess I'm just saying this because it's like again. | ||
| I hope it's not it's not dismissive or flippant or whatever. | ||
| I'm just saying, like this is now the worst day. | ||
| The worst in a long time in a long time. | ||
| I mean, in my life. | ||
| My family's still alive. | ||
| Uh my immediate family is is alive and healthy. | ||
| I've not experienced any great tragedies. | ||
| This is one of the worst things that I've uh again, I was a lot of people who have much more right to be angry than I do. | ||
| Uh I say Charlie was my friend. | ||
| I I want to stress it, I didn't go golfing with the guy or anything like that. | ||
| But you know, he was he was good to me, helped me out when he could. | ||
| And uh when we saw him, we saw him he'd come on my show. | ||
| He's been on several times. | ||
| He's always just been really, really good to us. | ||
| And uh he was a friend. | ||
| And this is just I don't know what happens tomorrow. | ||
| I don't know how we I don't know, I don't know what happens tomorrow. | ||
| I'm I'm numb. | ||
| My I physic I'm in physical pain. | ||
| My muscles ache. | ||
| It's stress. | ||
| It is stress. | ||
| One of the more fucked up aspects of the whole thing of how this not a whole thing of how this came about, but the way that we learned of this was like this slow drip of like videos of him being murdered popping up on Twitter and just being unavoidable. | ||
| And it's just oh, new angle, here's a new angle, here's a new angle. | ||
| And it's like people trying to analyze each pixel of the bullet going through his shirt or his neck, or it's this, and everybody's kind of playing like you know, armchair doctor. | ||
| And it all just felt so fucking morbid and shitty and fucking gross getting obviously, but like over the course of an hour or so, as people were getting new information. | ||
| Tim, how'd you you found out through obviously social media? | ||
| You I think you said after this day. | ||
| Alex Stein called me. | ||
| Alex Stein called you. | ||
| I we had we had gotten in the in and uh the the crew was uh were surging them or setting up all the new cameras and stream setups, we're doing these skateboarding events. | ||
| It has been just tremendous. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're out of here? | ||
| I gotta get back to this. | ||
| Oh, okay, right on. | ||
| Hey man, thanks for coming. | ||
| Thanks for coming. | ||
| Charles, appreciate it. | ||
| Have a go, man. | ||
| Chuck has got to get out of here for obvious reasons, political and but uh yeah, so when I wrap the show, surge and the crew are gearing up to do the uh uh we're we're we're prepping, we're doing these live skateboarding events. | ||
| They've been really big. | ||
| We've tremendous success. | ||
| The community's reaching out to us, we're getting a lot of pros, sponsors are interested. | ||
| And so I said, We need let's let's all go uh hop to a restaurant, get some food and go over the plan. | ||
| We need to buy uh uh backdrop stuff, camera stuff. | ||
| I get in the car, call Andy. | ||
| Here's the restaurant we're going to. | ||
| We're on the road. | ||
| I'm like, oh, Alex is calling me. | ||
| And he calls me and says, Charlie Kirk's been shot. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| Uh this was literally right when it happened. | ||
| This is before the videos came out. | ||
| And I was like, whoa, what what what? | ||
| And he's like, at his event, and I was like, okay, let me call you back. | ||
| Went on, just put immediately. | ||
| I was I was talking to my wife. | ||
| I was we were driving and we were talking about, yeah, so we're gonna be doing this with the show, and like, you know, what let's go to this restaurant, I'll let him know. | ||
| And then uh I looked online and I saw everything. | ||
| And this was again people it was right right at that point, it was just witness statements. | ||
| I saw this, I saw that, we didn't know for sure. | ||
| And I saw a report that said shots fired at Charlie Kirk event, and I was like, okay. | ||
| I don't think he was shot. | ||
| It says shots were fired at his event. | ||
| We don't know for sure just yet. | ||
| Then the video dropped. | ||
| And then I went, oh my God. | ||
| The first video, it looked survivable. | ||
| Yeah, and then it suddenly didn't. | ||
| Got to the restaurant. | ||
| I was on the phone nonstop the whole way. | ||
| Our our team, the people we work with, we work with Charlie's team, we're all friends. | ||
| Everybody's a bit panicked right now. | ||
| Get to the restaurant, we're walking there, like, I hope he's okay. | ||
| I thought I hope it's not serious. | ||
| I had thought at first it was a handgun because the initial report was that a guy in the crowd was yelling about trans people and then shot him. | ||
| And uh, I was like, I think that's probably like handgun, likely nine millimeter, depending on where he got heat, he might be okay. | ||
| Luke hits me up and said, and and and he's like, I don't think this is survivable. | ||
| And then I immediately called him and I was like, Why are you saying that? | ||
| I was like, there's come on. | ||
| I I saw the video, and it's possible. | ||
| And he said, There's another video that just came out. | ||
| And then I was like, show me where. | ||
| And he's like, I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'll send you the video. | ||
| And I was sitting down at a restaurant and I picked up my phone and I pressed the button to look at the message, and I only needed to see a single frame, and I dropped the phone and I started crying. | ||
| Because I didn't you you didn't need to see the video. | ||
| I just knew right away. | ||
| My buddy was sitting next to me. | ||
| He's not he's not in politics at all, he has no idea. | ||
| And he looked, he was looking down and he saw it and he went, Oh my God. | ||
| And that's when it was like, I knew the moment I saw it. | ||
| But I didn't want to believe it. | ||
| And so I had received again, my phone's ringing, I'm calling people, and I got a call. | ||
| Top level source, they don't want to be named, said stable. | ||
| And uh critical but stable. | ||
| And I was like, oh my god, thank God. | ||
| And so I tweeted. | ||
| Source tells me, stable. | ||
| And I know it's hard, you know, people didn't want to believe it. | ||
| The comments were all saying there's no way he survived it. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| One person was like, I'm an ER doctor, and that is not that is not recoverable. | ||
| AP then reported, critical but stable. | ||
| And I'm like, good, because I'm scared to post something and be wrong on something so serious. | ||
| But if it was his like stability, I was I was like, I'm I'm posting this. | ||
| And uh I got a call from someone losing it, informing us that he had passed. | ||
| And my executive higher executive functions said, Tim, this is confirmed, and you know it. | ||
| And the rest of me said, I'm not posting anything, I'm not saying anything, I don't know it. | ||
| Charlie's gonna make it. | ||
| It's it's not possible that Charlie is dead. | ||
| When the conflicting reports came out and they said stable, and then they said dead. | ||
| I was He was stable. | ||
| I was with you. | ||
| He was I thought he was too. | ||
| I thought he was. | ||
| I thought he was. | ||
| This is the important thing to understand. | ||
| When I got that initial report that he had been he had been stabilized, he is now stable. | ||
| It was like okay. | ||
| And the general conversation was he's got the best security team, he's got the best for first eight teams. | ||
| They are prepared for situations like this. | ||
| As much as people might think it's not survivable, even if you're an ER doctor, someone comes in like this, it's too late. | ||
| But you're there on the spot. | ||
| There is a possibility. | ||
| And I wanted to believe it. | ||
| However, there were the conversations that happened in between was just please understand they're telling me stable doesn't mean he's going to make it. | ||
| Stable means right now they have him stable. | ||
| At any moment it could change. | ||
| There could be serious damage already. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| And I got a call. | ||
| And is the person, the individual who called me a direct source letting me know. | ||
| Didn't want it to be true either. | ||
| I didn't want it to be true. | ||
| And so I just, you know, the challenging thing is. | ||
| If this was a politician this happened to, someone I didn't know, and I got a phone call, and they were like, representative so and so is confirmed. | ||
| I'd I'd tweet it. | ||
| I'd say, It breaks my heart to report this. | ||
| A source has confronted me. | ||
| The problem is we all know Charlie, and he's a friend, all of us, and it's so difficult for the people that I work with. | ||
| And this like I'm I'm talking to a source, and they're crying frantically about this because he was all he was a friend to all of us. | ||
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So my heart hurts literally right here, right where he got hit, man. | |
| You got hit in the neck. | ||
| It looked like the A or I don't know. | ||
| It just was in the neck in the neck, right above his heart. | ||
| Let's let's let's go to callers. | ||
| Yeah, before we do, uh yeah, let's go to callers. | ||
| I've just been thinking about like what's the point. | ||
| I think this like what is really the point of all this thing, this life stuff, like other than just making it good. | ||
| I don't know what the point really is. | ||
| We are in a constant battle of good and evil, and there are evil people seeking to destroy, and good people are trying to protect and create. | ||
| And then the evil people win and call, say tell everyone they were the good guys, and then they sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. | ||
| And it's an eternal struggle that we will not. | ||
| I th I think goodness has prevailed over the long period of time, gradually. | ||
| I've been thinking that lately, the how far humanity has come that we can hang out on a phone call with our friends in England or in China, like a video chat. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's not it's not really about any of that, right? | ||
| I mean, I um so today, as all this was happening, and I was completely unwilling to believe that you know Charlie had passed from this injury. | ||
| Um, I was I was here with Mary and Tate, and we were about to do pop culture crisis, and I came in, they said Charlie had been shot, and um I reached out to a friend of mine who would know, and I asked, is Charlie okay? | ||
| And he said no. | ||
| Um, so and you know, and Tate was also talking to some people who would know, and they were uh pretty clear that this was not gonna work out. | ||
| This was not gonna work out. | ||
| Um, you know, uh what did I do? | ||
| I we we went live for like what 10 minutes. | ||
| If even yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then you know, Mary basically reported the news of what happened and said, We're you know, we're not gonna do the show and joke about memes today. | ||
| Um then afterwards we just all were like sitting for like a half hour looking at the internet, trying to figure out what was going on. | ||
| Um, and then I did the only thing that to me I could do that would be of any use. | ||
| And I went over to my church and I lit ten candles because in the Catholic faith, you light candles and you say prayers because a lot of what you do is about the tradition that goes back like a thousand years or something. | ||
| Um, and that, you know, I walked into the church and it was pretty empty. | ||
| Mass is in the evening. | ||
| There was no mass yet. | ||
| A lot of the um catechism classes were going on, but they're downstairs. | ||
| So the the church was empty, pretty much empty, except for the smell of incense, which in a Catholic church, it's like incense is supposed to raise your spirit closer to God, right? | ||
| A lot of what Catholic Catholic traditions are about are um extinguishing your rational thought so that you can bring your spirit closer to God. | ||
| That's a big part of it. | ||
| And there's the rational stuff too, but whatever. | ||
| I want uh But so I I lit ten candles and I said prayers and I was in tears, and I was I was leaving. | ||
| I walked out and there were some women talking amongst themselves, and I walked out, and then I thought um I felt like I was called to go back in and speak with these women, and I went over to them. | ||
| Um I went over to them and I said, uh, hey, can can you pray can you pray for my friend, my friend Charlie was just shot. | ||
| Can you pray for them pray for him? | ||
| And they both stood up. | ||
| They'd just, you know, been chatting, um, church stuff. | ||
| Hang out, and they they both stood up and came over to me and gave me like a a really needed hug, and I wept on this woman's shoulder. | ||
| I have never met her. | ||
| I have never seen her before. | ||
| And I wept on her shoulder, and she prayed with me. | ||
| She led us in prayer. | ||
| Um, a couple of prayers. | ||
| And she said, We'll keep we'll keep praying. | ||
| We'll keep praying. | ||
| And I I left. | ||
| Um But the that kind of communion with each other, I think is a lot of what the point of life is. | ||
| I think that's a lot of it. | ||
| And I think that it is necessary for my spirit to find faith. | ||
| I've struggled with faith my entire life. | ||
| It's not easy for me to find faith. | ||
| It's difficult because I'm very heady. | ||
| It's difficult, but it's so necessary to find that communion with what is bigger than us, and what is bigger than us is God in the universe, and God in the universe is the only thing that can keeping God in your heart is the only thing that can protect us from what is demonic and seeks to destroy us. | ||
| So uh as I mentioned earlier that our team was getting death threats, it's now reporting that high profile conservatives are getting death threats following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| And uh I'm being warned to contact the FBI directly should we get any any information or sounds like terrorism, like that's so I I think that's a good good move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Uh the journey is the destination. | |
| You can say something, Serge. | ||
| We should let let's grab these callers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Um also Tate Brown in the house. | ||
| Tate Brown. | ||
| Well, you guys go over a little bit this way. | ||
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Oh my bit. | |
| Oh Osmadeus, thank you for joining us. | ||
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Um if you had something to say, go ahead. | |
| That's all you, maybe. | ||
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I mean, obviously I wasn't expecting this. | |
| I mean, I've had a little bit of I guess dark humor. | ||
| I was wanting to tweet yesterday about asking 2025 to just calm down with the NATO bombings and Qatar and everything, and then I wake up in the middle of the day and this fucking happens. | ||
| So it's it's not been a good yeah. | ||
| Um, but on to my question. | ||
| Um, so I was wondering, because I've always tried to s say I'm sure many people are like this, um, of just taking the high road and not being or stooping to the level of political violence, but killing Charlie Kirk, one of the few people the most prominent. | ||
| I mean, he was 31, he was probably destined for higher office if he if he decided to killing him and like that in such a way, just even though we don't know who the shooter is and the motives, the reaction that's been coming from the left just removes any willingness to debate, coexist. | ||
| Just I mean, I I I want blood. | ||
| I want to see people suffer for cheering this on. | ||
| I want I don't want to see anyone killed, but I want to see them humiliated and dragged through the streets publicly and just lose everything because apparent it it feels like to me the only language that they respect is violence. | ||
| And if that's the case, then I guess we need to start speaking it better than they do. | ||
| I understand that sentiment. | ||
| It's the unfocused rage because we don't know who the killer was. | ||
| And they look around and you see people smiling and laughing, and it's like this impetus to go nuclear, but I don't think I don't want to. | ||
| I don't what I don't want to do is start talking for Charlie. | ||
| I'm gonna say I don't think he would have wanted that. | ||
| I think he would have wanted us to be calm and maintain our rage to be better men. | ||
| But I tell you, we find this fucking killer. | ||
| The thing is, you don't even know if they tell you they found the killer, it could be the it could just be the wrong guy. | ||
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They've gotten it twice wrong so far, so we may be heading to fucking Canada for all we know. | |
| What's that? | ||
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The shooter. | |
| They've released two people so far, and there's some people saying that he may be trying to make it to the Canadian border. | ||
| Like a foreign national. | ||
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Well, no, I mean they're just trying. | |
| I mean, the Canadian border is completely unguarded, so we could cross theoretically until just like a wild forest or something. | ||
| Just remember too, like we've all been exposed to a lot of death and evil the last few days. | ||
| Um so while your reaction is very natural, and I'd be lying if I didn't feel a bit of that as well. | ||
| Um we just have to check our souls as well. | ||
| I think our souls have been corroded quite extensively the last few days. | ||
| Um we have to keep that in mind as well. | ||
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So I mean, like how half the people like most prominent Democrats and progressive influencers are calling this out as an atrocity. | |
| But part of the cynical side of me is wondering, are you saying this just because you mean it, or because you act you don't want to catch any flack because you know it's the only acceptable thing you can say, and you don't want to be a target for any retribution. | ||
| Yeah, I was doing that too, questioning the allegiance of their honesty. | ||
| I'm like, I look everybody in the space that speaks out, like anytime you make a public statement and you that gets any attention, you're on some level a target. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, so if you're you know, the people that are on the show regularly, that people that write for conservative outlets, um we were all targets to some degree. | ||
| Obviously, the more the more high profile you are, the more likely it is that someone will target you. | ||
| Like it's not as likely that someone will target me as it is someone trying to target Tim, right? | ||
| That's just because Tim's the guy. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that people wouldn't be like, hey man, if I could take a pot shot at Phil, doesn't mean that they wouldn't. | ||
| Bro, they're the the the th they're threatening people. | ||
| I don't even know, I don't even know how they know who these people are. | ||
| The threats that are coming in right now. | ||
| I'm like, how how are you how are we getting these threats targeting, you know? | ||
| I don't want to single anybody up. | ||
| I'm just like, I just makes no sense. | ||
| So it it's it's always a a thing you have to that you have to worry about, especially you know everybody around here knows that we are in an extremely uh hostile politically charged environment. | ||
| Everybody's saying it. | ||
| Michael Knowles tweeted, Charlie Kirk would have been president. | ||
| Yeah, he's several other people had already tweeted we all knew that this man was gonna be president. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that. | ||
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Do you think that had a motive in assassinating him? | |
| I know it was mentioned earlier on the show. | ||
| He is he is he is not even a once-in-a-generation leader. | ||
| I mean, he's once in a century kind of leader. | ||
| Hopefully there will be more like him. | ||
| That's what he wanted. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| I hope there's some young, there's some teenager who's watching all of this who wakes up tomorrow and starts doing push-ups, puts a chip put has a has a picture of turning point with Charlie on his wall, and every day he looks at it and he works as hard as he can, and he decides to carry that torch, but you know what? | ||
| I hope a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand kids all decide they want to they want to carry Charlie's mantle, and in five years we have ten thousand Charlie Kirks. | ||
| Yeah, he built it from the ground. | ||
| He didn't, he wasn't who he was when he was a kid. | ||
| I mean, he he became that man day after day doing that work. | ||
| This is scary. | ||
| I mean, the shooters at large. | ||
| And it seems like it wasn't just one person. | ||
| I think it kind of there's some videos, and people are pointing out people doing like weird hand things. | ||
| Could be security. | ||
| There's security guards. | ||
| They see somebody and they do a hat tap and a point, and that's a signal to other security. | ||
| Hand signs are common for security. | ||
| So I don't know for sure. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The BBC is reporting they're doing door-to-door searching right now. | ||
| And the What's that gonna do? | ||
| It just shows they have no idea where he is. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, that's horrible news. | ||
| That's like no idea where this guy is. | ||
| Premeditated murderers tend to get away with it. | ||
| They planned an escape route. | ||
| It is strange that the guy that they grabbed was screaming, shoot me, shoot me. | ||
| I don't know if he was involved or whatever. | ||
| That is weird, isn't it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, normally these people like figure on getting taken out after they you know accomplish their deed, whatever it happens to be, you know. | ||
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And this guy obviously didn't. | |
| And the longer it goes, the less likely it is that they'll find him, you know. | ||
| I mean, did you want to uh add anything or shout anything out? | ||
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I usually shout my wife's store, but this isn't a time for that, honestly. | |
| Well, right on, man. | ||
| Thanks for calling in. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| See you, man. | ||
| We were getting ready, we are getting ready for the show, and uh Callan asked me, he's like, no ads then. | ||
| I was like, we are not doing any reads for anything or anybody. | ||
| Maximus retardius. | ||
| Welcome to the show. | ||
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Hey guys, thanks for having me. | |
| Um up my question is uh you think this is the transfer man moment. | ||
| I I honestly scares me how much the left is rallying around it. | ||
| I would have thought it would have been the right, but they really are the party of shoot people you disagree with. | ||
| The the point I'd been making on the show, I'll I'll try and say a little bit more, I mean uncensored portion. | ||
| The left was waiting for the starting pistol. | ||
| They're all sitting there with guns in their hands saying they want to kill people on the right, but nobody knows if they're gonna be the one weirdo who gets who runs out, shoots somebody and is just a mass shooter. | ||
| With the assassination of Kirk, my fear is that these individuals are now not mass shooters. | ||
| If a if a lunatic antifa guy three months ago went to a went to a crowd of conservatives and shot people, he's another lunatic mass shirter. | ||
| They're gonna say he was a lunatic, and his and his words mean nothing. | ||
| With the assassination of Kirk, if these individuals go out, it will be called civil war, it will be called insurgency, and their actions will be lumped together as a political movement. | ||
| So I'm not saying they consider this and they're sitting there thinking this. | ||
| What they're actually thinking is, is it on? | ||
| It is. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| They're sitting there waiting for someone to tell them what to do. | ||
| I think it's more likely the left kicks it off and then the right responds. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it's how how does that response actually manifest? | ||
| That's that's the scarier part for the city. | ||
| That manifests as in the DOJ and the well, actually, all of the authority of the federal government finding and stamping out the problem. | ||
| Right now is is now I've said this before, now is when if there's going to be something like that to happen, now is when we want it to happen, because the conservatives are in control of the largest, most powerful government in human history. | ||
| Better it happened now than in ten years when there's Democrats that are in control of the largest, most powerful government in human history. | ||
| Bro, the comment someone someone in chat said the young Turk's comments are fucked. | ||
| They're fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The some of them are okay. | ||
| You know. | ||
| The left online is insane. | ||
| Uh both fingers pointing the both both sides pointing fingers at each other's selves. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| One person saying he was a living, breathing person. | ||
| But uh what is this one? | ||
| There is no middle ground with fascists. | ||
| One says uh what let's grab one of these careful F. Charlie Kirk, he got what he loved. | ||
| This shit's bots. | ||
| This shit will radicalize an infinite. | ||
| I think these are real people. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Yeah, I think they're real people. | ||
| Real human beings. | ||
| Some of them really be that some of them want to freak you out. | ||
| Elizabeth Warren, Senator Elizabeth Warren from Massachusetts, was asked about um people saying Democrats need to tone down their rhetoric, and she said, Oh, please, why don't you start with the president of the United States? | ||
| Yeah, because bottom comments is not a bot. | ||
| She's Elizabeth Warren, the senator from Massachusetts. | ||
| A senator. | ||
| She's a senator. | ||
| There's unreal. | ||
| Not that many of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bottom comment here says, we pray Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, Pete Hex, F Rubio are next. | ||
| All of you F's go to hell. | ||
| I forgot the F Israel. | ||
| F Israel, F Trump. | ||
| Uh and I and I think that's run of the meal um feeling among leftists, not liberals, but I think the average viewer of TYT is a leftist. | ||
| And these people believe that these people are perpetrators of white supremacy. | ||
| That's what they think Charlie Kirk is. | ||
| He they think that he's a diehard racist. | ||
| They think that he supports genocide. | ||
| He supports people taking um over taking advantage of women's bodies because he's a pro-lifer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is, I mean, remember, I don't remember what the actual oh, so this is after the October 7th attack, right? | ||
| There were people online saying, what did you think decolonization was? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, papers, vibes. | ||
| The left are bloodthirsty. | ||
| They want violence because they believe that all of the things that make the West, the what make the West the West, are have been achieved through theft and through exploitation and by hurting the indigenous populations. | ||
| They have no historical context to their to their ideology. | ||
| You're exactly right. | ||
| They want to see violence. | ||
| They want to see the West torn down. | ||
| That is their goal. | ||
| You guys want to be radicalized? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| Well, you're about to be. | ||
| I'm already pretty radical. | ||
| That one comment there. | ||
| So you go there. | ||
| Here you go. | ||
| Before Charlie, before the incident. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This video was posted 20 hours ago, yesterday, by Black Lives Matter in response to the narrative about the assassination of Arena Zarutka. | ||
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All oppressed people have a right to violence. | |
| And I'm going to tell you something. | ||
| It's like a right to be. | ||
| You gotta have the right place. | ||
| You gotta have the right time. | ||
| You gotta have the appropriate situation. | ||
| And I'm absolutely convinced that this is it. | ||
| Black Lives Matter's official account. | ||
| Verified. | ||
| I I went on Instagram and checked. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Posted this. | ||
| It's from uh Born of Flame, I think it's called. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Uh is that what it's called? | ||
| Let me make sure. | ||
| Born in Flames, 1983 movie. | ||
| It's communist propaganda. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And the woman is saying we have a right to violence. | ||
| They posted this in response to the narrative about the murder of Arena Zarutska. | ||
| This man killed this young woman for literally no reason. | ||
| And their response was justify it. | ||
| And it is fucked that on this day, I post this 11 30, 7 a.m. | ||
| These people, can you fucking believe it? | ||
| They posted yesterday that they have a right to engage in violence, and a day later Charlie Kirk is dead. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I do like look there. | ||
| We do need to get the get the calls because I I definitely need to get to my family. | ||
| And so I just want to make sure we stay we keep in the time. | ||
| But uh Maximus, did you want to add anything or shine anything out? | ||
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Uh no. | |
| Uh thank you guys. | ||
| Um have a good night. | ||
| Thanks for calling. | ||
| Next up, we've got rotaps. | ||
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Yo. | |
| Hey guys. | ||
| Uh first off, condolences. | ||
| You guys knew him I didn't. | ||
| So that's way more impactful. | ||
| Uh my question for you guys is how do we just like continue to discuss civilly with people of the left when they just assassinated the guy that did the best? | ||
| Or you're talking about Dowd getting fired? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| Matthew Dowd got fired. | ||
| I saw the news, but I don't think it's that. | ||
| Who is that? | ||
| He's the guy who said you basically get what you deserve. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| MSNBC guy. | ||
| Well, the to answer your question of how is one a case-by-case basis, treat everybody like individual humans when you meet them and give them respect that you want to be given. | ||
| We're fucked. | ||
| And that's how you debate. | ||
| No, we're fucked. | ||
| Pisco can talked shit about Peace goes our resident liberal guy for culture war. | ||
| He said Trump's statement was disgraceful. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, I don't I believe you. | ||
| I don't put a lot of faith in what that guy says. | ||
| How do we look? | ||
| It's one thing when somebody wants to come on the show because they want to argue tax policy. | ||
| It's another thing when someone is assassinated, someone who is a friend of ours, and the response is Trump was bad for condemning the violence. | ||
| What did he say exactly? | ||
| About what? | ||
| I saw his tweet when he tweeted it, and I was like, what the fuck, bro? | ||
| And this is in response to Trump's video speech he just gave. | ||
| This is why I'm like, I Trump's statement from the Oval Office was absolutely disgraceful, a stain on our country. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Did he say why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He did tweet rip Charlie Kirk, and I'll give him that one. | ||
| I really I liked Trump's speech. | ||
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I was I thought it was a good speech. | |
| I will watch it again, like it was a good speech. | ||
| It's comforting. | ||
| It looks scripted. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| It's not scripted. | ||
| Of course it's scripted. | ||
| From the heart, I know, but like you can script something and have it be from the heart, you know? | ||
| Yeah, you wrote it beforehand because you didn't want to stutter and I doubt he wrote it. | ||
| You have speech writers. | ||
| Every president has speech writers, and you have somebody who's a writer who can write in your voice, and you work with them to get something together that works for you. | ||
| That is what you want to say. | ||
| And you know, you're running the entire world, basically. | ||
| You need someone to help you organize your thoughts. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Uh that's people have editors, I have editors. | ||
| We gotta let Trump run the world, is what we gotta do. | ||
| We gotta let him go to Russia and go to China and diplomatize. | ||
| That's a whole other conversation. | ||
| All this just this domestic distraction bullshit has got a phase. | ||
| Well, this is not quite domestic. | ||
| Not the Charlie, not this. | ||
| I was thinking about the Epstein stuff is like just let this go so he can do his shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I don't give a shit about that anymore. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Well, so you know, to the question, I guess. | ||
| This is this is the big challenge in will will what will we see from the from the left? | ||
| Are the liberal types going to break away and be like we don't have anything to do with this? | ||
| Will the radical left get boxed out because they they're nuts, or will regular liberals be like fascist? | ||
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Well, here's here's here's my thought on it is I I have this friend who well, he's not really a friend anymore because he's he's way radicalized. | |
| He just interviewed at a nonprofit in Chicago to help uh immigrants and be a ice radar. | ||
| So if an ICE if ICE is spotted anywhere in Chicago, he's supposed to notify his nonprofit, and he's been posting like, yay, Charlie Kirk's dead, and all this other crazy shit. | ||
| And it's like, how do you how do you have a civil discussion with someone when they're that far gone? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You gotta be com confident in you you and who you are, and you walk into that room with that confidence, that will help you debate anybody. | ||
| Yeah, but you the there's no if if they're going to respond the way that he's talking about, there's the you can't have a dialogue with them. | ||
| But there's you're just talking to a person that's having a conniption fit. | ||
| I wanna I wanna I want to show this image real quick. | ||
| You don't know how they're gonna respond as much. | ||
| This is a woman on TikTok who who wrote, when you've been manifesting it to happen, but it ends up happening to Charlie Kirk. | ||
| What y'all need to understand is there are people that loved Charlie Kirk, and they don't view themselves as important. | ||
| Rudyard pointed out that there are many young men who feel like they have no purpose, that their lives are meaningless, and when you have societies with large amounts of these young men, you get revolutions in civil war. | ||
| My fear right now is that this woman who is known by some of these men will be murdered brutally and mercilessly. | ||
| And he's going to just say, I'm no one, I'm nothing, and my life is forfeit, but you deserve this. | ||
| And if it's this is the problem of escalation. | ||
| There is uh uh this is this is from a post about the Spanish Civil War. | ||
| On the final day before the Spanish Civil War broke out, the head of Spain's right wing political coalition warned on the floor of parliament. | ||
| The left had pushed the nation past its breaking point. | ||
| He read off dozens of calls in leftist newspapers for the right to be subject to extermination and ended his speech with the following prophecy. | ||
| The day will come when the violence you have unleashed will be turned against you. | ||
| My fear is that for posts like this, there's going to be some guy who thinks he's nothing. | ||
| He lives in a basement, he has no job, he's overweight, out of shape, and he has a gun. | ||
| Cooler heads must prevail. | ||
| But my fear is that when you post stuff like this, I don't even get it. | ||
| What is what does that mean? | ||
| She's saying she's saying that she's been praying for for Trump to die, but Char Charlie died instead. | ||
| There's gonna be an enraged incel-like dude who is just gonna snap and be like, there's nothing else in my life. | ||
| And he's gonna go and he's gonna retaliate over these posts. | ||
| Just and he's and he's and it's not gonna be for care of what happens afterwards. | ||
| It's not gonna be for an ideological goal. | ||
| It's gonna be out of vitriol and hatred. | ||
| You look at the um was it Rwanda? | ||
| The genocide. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| The Tootsies were massacred. | ||
| Is that yeah, I think I don't know which one, but it's because you have two two sides saying kill them, fuck them, they're evil, and the people who do it don't know or care why. | ||
| They're just like, I fucking hate you, and they do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I do want to play this. | ||
| I think Serge, you posted this, right? | ||
| Yeah, I did the same thing you did. | ||
| Uh he said he said the same thing you need to see America's fucked. | ||
| Also there is a closer uh uh footage of Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck here as well, where you can cli Oh, he's dead. | ||
| Oh my god, he's definitely dead. | ||
| Oh my god, I can't believe I just saw that. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh, he definitely got shot in the neck. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, I I that that footage that you do not want to see that. | ||
| You do not want to see that. | ||
| You do not want to see that. | ||
| That footage, that footage, the close-up footage shows very clearly immediately blood pouring out of his jugular. | ||
| He gets shot in the neck, blood pouring out of his jugular, like an unimaginable amount of blood pouring out of his jugular. | ||
| There is very little chance that he uh survived that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if he did. | ||
| Uh, but uh I it doesn't seem like it. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That was fucking devastating. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I really don't know what to say. | ||
| Oh my lord. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Holy fuck, America is so absolutely fucked. | ||
| I I I'm really starting to feel like France Ferdinand moment. | ||
| I'm I'm my throat's starting to burn up. | ||
| So I'm gonna have to we're gonna have to go quick on this next one. | ||
| Sorry, man, but I don't want to fuck my throat up again. | ||
| World War One accomplished nothing. | ||
| Uh did sorry, brother. | ||
| Did you want to add anything or shiny thing out? | ||
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I like it. | |
| I would just encourage everyone to watch 1965 Paul Harvey's if I were the devil. | ||
| Right on that. | ||
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That's what we're fighting against. | |
| Thanks for calling in, brother. | ||
| Yeah, I'd like to encourage America not to commit suicide. | ||
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All right, last but not least, we've got slick like Europe did in World War One. | |
| Europe basically committed suicide in World War One. | ||
| Let's not do that. | ||
| Yeah, they handed it. | ||
| How's it going, brother? | ||
| No, and they killed all their men. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| What's up, man? | ||
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Yeah, I'm I'm here. | |
| Uh I heard uh you guys talking, so I apologize. | ||
| Um I know you want to go quick. | ||
| Uh I'm sorry for you guys. | ||
| This is this has been a terrible day. | ||
| I'm sorry, that video just got me all worked up. | ||
| Give me a sec. | ||
| Um there is a closer uh it autoplayed. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| Okay, my question is this kind of the big ask. | ||
| The president's job is to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. | ||
| At this point, we have seen the result of Democrat policies in the cities and schools, persecution via the courts and by weaponized law enforcement. | ||
| We've seen the political violence spurred on by the rhetoric of politicians and pundits alike, and finally the apologetics from the leftist mainstream media encouraging, whitewashing, excusing, and straight up calling for violence. | ||
| Should we be, especially those with large platforms, making the big ask and calling for the president to go all in and recognize the Democrat Party and their nonprofit NGO corporate media allies to be the terrorist organization that they are? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's just basically saying, should Trump declare a civil war right now. | ||
| What we want to happen is for the moderate Democrat types, people like my liberal friends to have a have a come to Jesus moment, lit figuratively or literally, and be like, I don't want, I don't want this, I don't want to be associated with it. | ||
| These wacko leftists that are cheering for this need to be viewed as the villains they are. | ||
| So we don't want Trump to say, Democrats, aha, we're coming for you. | ||
| He needs to say, Democrats, we're with you. | ||
| Let's condemn the violent leftists together. | ||
| I don't think you can though, because I think they're entrenched. | ||
| But I don't know, man. | ||
| You got anything you want to add, bud. | ||
| I guess nobody has as much to ask. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, I just I think until the until the funding's cut off and until these people uh get prosecutor charged for inciting violence, encouraging it, fomenting. | |
| Well, the I mean that I get, but to like to declare the Democrats and all NGOs or the NGOs that working with them as to be terrorist organizations would just be for Trump to come out and say civil war is now. | ||
| And we don't want that to happen. | ||
| So there's a process organization. | ||
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I'm talking about the people at the head, the people with the money that are promoting this. | |
| I'm not talking about the underlings because that's that's what the desired result and starts arresting prominent Democrats, their fundraisers and politicians, you will have civil war in two seconds. | ||
| The fastest way to get left the left to buy a bunch of guns and go start massacring people would be for Trump to arrest a prominent liberal uh fun donor. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta work together to root out insane extreme leftism and rightism, whatever, extreme politicizations, we've got to root that shit out together. | ||
| The problem with that though is the people that have been attacked have not been the extreme people. | ||
| Charlie Kirk was not extreme. | ||
| And Donald Trump is not extreme. | ||
| He's a Democrat from 30 years ago. | ||
| Yeah, he's like a 1986 Democrat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if the people that are getting attacked are not extreme. | ||
| You know, it's it's not about extremism on the right. | ||
| It's about extremism on the left. | ||
| And you can't work with extremists when the extremists don't want to talk to you. | ||
| Remember, the left are the group that says don't platform the right. | ||
| The left are the people that say don't talk to people on the right. | ||
| Don't even engage with people on the right, because then you're giving them credibility. | ||
| It's the left that tells you to stop talking to your parents because they emotionally abused you by feeding you mac and cheese with Frank footers in it or something. | ||
| It's a death cult. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I get it. | ||
| I guess slowly or quickly, gradually, then suddenly, I kind of feel like I have no reason at this point to say that we are not headed towards a civil war or in one. | ||
| Every step of the way, we have we have stated escalation seems like the probable next step. | ||
| And I always say, maybe I'm wrong. | ||
| Maybe I'm wrong. | ||
| And this is the one moment where people wake up. | ||
| I say this every fucking time. | ||
| Maybe this is the one moment where people wake up and go, okay, okay, this has gone too far. | ||
| Republicans and Democrats, liberals, conservatives, leftists, they all hug and hold hands and say, let's not fight anymore. | ||
| We love you, we're neighbors. | ||
| And then this happens. | ||
| And the response that we're seeing. | ||
| Now I will say Hassan's reaction, as it's been reported that he's very against this, he's very shocked by it. | ||
| Could be that wake-up call where we could shun the extremists, and you're gonna get here's what I'm hoping. | ||
| Prominent leftists and you know, lib streamers concerned about being arrested as high profile targets, just say, guys, we don't want or getting shot and killed. | ||
| Say we stop, stop, shut up. | ||
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No. | |
| Now the question is, will YouTube start banning these people? | ||
| When January 6th happened, YouTube shut our sh our uh chat down because the comments were all cheering for it. | ||
| Will they do the same to the left? | ||
| So like did you want to add anything or shout anything out? | ||
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Yeah, I'll just I wanted to answer Ian's question. | |
| He said, What is the point of this life? | ||
| Um towards the beginning of the uncensored show. | ||
| Uh and you had mentioned it's a battle between good and evil. | ||
| I would I would just argue that the battle's already been won, and it's not a battle between good and evil. | ||
| Uh now the whole purpose of this is to glorify God and everything that he represents. | ||
| Be a good justice, truth, love. | ||
| And so you know, with situations like this. | ||
| It's not just a testimony of Charlie's life that he lived and what he represented, and what he was in ser working in service to. | ||
| But it's also these individuals who respond with glee and celebration and mockery. | ||
| They're gonna have to stand before a holy, holy, holy God and give an account for that. | ||
| And they are not going to. | ||
| They're not gonna be able to do that. | ||
| They won't be able to stand in the judgment. | ||
| And so ultimately, that which is good will be glorified either by the testimony of the wicked or the testimony of those who uh live by faith. | ||
| So um that's the that's the point of this. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Did you want to shout anything out? | ||
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No, I love you guys. | |
| Be safe. | ||
| Thanks for calling in, brother. | ||
| Yeah, well, Hassan is egging it on. | ||
| His tweets are all just basically escalating. | ||
| He already moved on to the aren't you gonna be concerned about the leftist figures now, Tim? | ||
| You're not worried about it. | ||
| No, he's saying the right is is calling for the death of the left. | ||
| He's just there is uh this video from TMZ I want to play. | ||
| Live streaming all day during this this tragedy. | ||
| Um when something happened in our office, uh, as we were reporting the assassination of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Um there were some people in the back room away from our news desk here who were watching a car chase, and they were laughing, they were clapping, and you could hear it out here. | ||
| He's fucking and guys we want to make a couple of things clear. | ||
| One is that I know these people, and they were not laughing, they were not reacting that way about Charlie Brooks. | ||
| You expect me to believe that assassination. | ||
| They were not, they would not work here if they did. | ||
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And that being said, we acknowledge that it was horrible timing, and for that we are sorry. | |
| We apologize, we apologize, get it to hear that. | ||
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And I get why if you're watching the stream, you may have felt that that's what the laughter was about. | |
| We assure you, it was not about that. | ||
| I respect that, I accept their apology. | ||
| I believe them. | ||
| Uh, people have pointed out that there were uh no car chases at this time that were happening on the news or anything like that. | ||
| But they could have been watching an old car chase video, someone showed him a YouTube video. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| What matters is the leadership of TMZ said it shouldn't happen, it was bad. | ||
| They wouldn't work here if that's what happened, and that means culturally, they're on our side, they're not on the left side, and this is what we want as many individuals to say it's not good and it shouldn't have happened, so I respect that. | ||
| But my throat's starting to hurt. | ||
| I've been crying a bit today. | ||
| So I'm gonna go to bed and be with my family. | ||
| Drink a little salt. | ||
| Tomorrow will be another day. | ||
| I'm gonna drink Beam Dream. | ||
| Oh, I'm not kidding. | ||
| I drink that every single day. | ||
| There's salt, is there salt in it? | ||
| Like electrolyte. | ||
| I'm pretty sure magnesium, L-the-in, it's got all the good stuff. | ||
| And I sleep like a rock. | ||
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Oh, nice. | |
| So, guys, everybody stay safe, stay vigilant. | ||
| Uh, thanks everybody for being here. |
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