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Trump To Deploy National Guard To Portland, Antifa Has Been WIPED OUT | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump is considering deploying the National Guard into Portland to end 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots.
		Did you guys know that there's been this ongoing unrest in Portland?
		Well, I mean, you may have, but you don't really care because the truth is, it's not really that influential or impactful.
		And I realized something today.
		When we were talking about, you know, what's the news, the top story on Daily Mail earlier was that tuberculosis is on the rise.
		And that's bad, but it's like a local story out of Maine.
		And I'm like, wow, it's the best they got.
		Why does it feel like the news is so slow?
		Something seems off.
		Now, I've been directly involved in on-the-ground news for about 15 years, and then I realized this is the first time in my career riot season is just not there.
		And we talked a little bit about it as we were getting ready and doing pre-production.
		I'm like, well, there was the LA stuff.
		Yeah, and then Trump sent in the military.
		And now there's nothing.
		And we're into September with kids back in school at college.
		And every year that I have been doing this, there has been a riot season until now.
		Why is that?
		Is it that sending in the National Guard and the Marines was extremely effective?
		Or as many who are sitting here pointed out, maybe that once USAID money was gone, the NGOs and organizations that were funding and organizing these riots and protests are gone.
		So no one's doing anything anymore.
		Thus, it's a slow news season.
		And there's other more interesting things going on than even what's happening in Portland.
		But with all that being said, Trump is still deploying National Guard potentially to Chicago and Portland.
		I think it's working.
		I think it's working.
		So we'll talk about that.
		Then we do get some other big news.
		Speaker Johnson said Trump's an FBI informant.
		Yeah, he said on the issue of Epstein, Trump was an FBI informant, which is interesting because maybe that was a slip-up he shouldn't have said.
		Maybe the issue Trump is concerned about, and I'm not saying it's definitive, but could it be that these documents will reveal Trump has been secretly working with the FBI for decades and snitching on powerful individuals?
		Could that be really, really bad for him and his business deals and the Trump organization?
		Maybe.
		We don't know for sure.
		But we will talk about that.
		And oh boy, there was one of the biggest ICE raids ever on a Hyundai factory.
		Guys, 475 illegals arrested.
		Koreans.
		I knew it.
		These illegal immigrant Koreans building cars in this country.
		I knew it.
		I've been saying this.
		Anyway, we'll talk about that.
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	You know, it's going to be a good night.
	We've got a great guest joining us, and there's a lot more to talk about than just the news.
	We're having a great debate this morning about the National Guard, but we're joined by Doug Wilson.
	Hey, who are you?
	What do you do?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I'm a pastor from North Idaho, and I was here to speak at NatCon.
		And we have a church plant in D.C., I'll be preaching there on Sunday.
		And in between times, we thought we'd come up here and visit you all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were having a really interesting discussion this morning about the National Guard deployment.
		We're having a debate with this liberal guy, and the issue of Christian nationalism and theocracy came up.
		So I think a discussion of what this country should do, where we're going, I think it'll be interesting.
		So it's great to have you.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian is hanging out.
unidentified		I am, man.
unidentified		This is so cool.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been thinking a lot about this too because I've sort of been lately like Americanism is kind of like the new religion.
		It's like after Christianity, we kept some of the virtues and we got rid of some of the sins like pride.
		But it's very interesting how they're so connected, you know, Christianity and being an American.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Great conversation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you, Doug.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And everybody's here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		About to tweet it out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We also got Phil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everybody.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's, let's go for the news, my friends.
		We've got this from the post-millennial: Trump considers deploying National Guard to Portland after 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots.
		Quote, these are paid terrorists.
		If we go to Portland, we're going to wipe them out.
		It's a bold statement, but there is something interesting in this.
		Even though they've been ongoing for 80 days, nobody really cares because they're not doing anything.
		I mean, there was that one video where the local resident, that black woman, was upset saying they're banging pots and pans.
		But a bunch of, you know, like a couple dozen leftists banging pots and pans is a local news issue.
		It's not widespread national protests.
		I'm going to go ahead and say, I think Trump sending an ICE, shutting down USAID, and deploying the National Guard into the LA riots has basically shut the left up.
		And I don't know, maybe it's the calm before the storm, but it feels like Antifa is gone.
		It's just gone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And so are the Proud Boys.
		Only it's sort of the fear of the Proud.
		The whole fear of domestic terrorism is kind of gone.
		It's more about illegal immigration and domestic terrorism that could come from something like that, like an Iranian, you know, sleeper cell or something like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Does that qualify as domestic if it's somewhat brand that comes in illegally or that had come in illegally a couple years back?
unidentified		I don't know by Iran and American citizens.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that that counts as domestic.
		But to your point, I don't know that everything going on with the Proud Boys has anything to do with the The administration.
		I think the Proud Boys are actually reactionaries.
		They're a reaction to all the stuff that was going on with Antifa.
		I mean, Antifa was really out of hand.
		It wasn't just the Summer of Love.
		That was kind of like the apex of it.
		But, you know, they had been going after Ben Shapiro and going after Milo in 2015, 2016.
		There were people showing up.
		That was when punch a Nazi was such a prevalent phrase that you heard on the left.
		It was like, you know, go out there and make these people stop talking and shut them up.
		And that was when the conversation about the freedom of speech, like whether it was something that the United States is worth, you know, the United States should be protecting, you know, whether it was worth it or not, because the argument from the left was always, oh, there's all these vulnerable communities and all these poor people are getting harmed by people speaking and having these, sharing these bad thoughts.
		So I don't think that Antifa is, or I'm sorry, I don't think that the Proud Boys have much to do with it.
		Because like I said, they were a reaction to six, seven years of Antifa literally going out and causing massive problems all over the country.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that's important to remember here, and what I think is behind this, is in Ecclesiastes, it says, where justice is not speedily executed upon the criminal, there the heart of man is filled to do evil.
		In other words, deterrence works.
		Strength works.
		If Trump says, I'm not going to put up with this nonsense and we're going to send to the National Guard in Washington, D.C., and the crime rate plummets, people notice, right?
		And Portland and Seattle, that's out in my neck of the woods.
		Portland's just a day's drive away.
		Seattle is just five hours away.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The outwest, the idea of close is hilarious.
		Oh, it's close.
		It's only a day's drive.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just a day's drive.
		Sorry about that.
		So the blue state, the blue city governors have been basically making their cities unlivable.
		Downtown Seattle and particularly downtown Portland are just unlivable.
		And so, and it's not just Antifa, it's not just the activists.
		It's also the homeless and just the lack of any kind of societal discipline.
		And Trump is simply saying, we're not going to put up with it anymore.
		And surprise, deterrence works.
		If you don't have the funding from USAID and bad things are going to happen to you if you start throwing bricks through windows, then look.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious about you mentioned USAID.
		What is your opinion about how much USAID had been influencing the protests and all of the things that were going on?
		Because to be honest with you, and the reason I say this is like before Trump, right?
		Before 2016, 2015, 2016, I knew there were people that would protest.
		I mean, obviously there was the Michael Brown protest in Ferguson and all the riots and that.
		But I don't think that there was as much pushback on just the right so broadly, right?
		Like you didn't see people going after speakers on college campuses.
		You didn't see people going after anyone that was considered conservative.
		Do you think that the USAID money and influence, do you think that was a major factor in what was going on then?
		Or do you think that it's just a coincidence that after USAID has been kind of shut down that the— No, I think it's a major play.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I think it has been a major player funding all kinds of different activisms.
		So sometimes when things were calmer, they would fund Astroturf protests and that sort of thing, but not violent.
		But then the violent protests, when something happens and all of a sudden pallets of bricks are dropped off.
		I mean, somebody's funding that.
		There's a follow, it's a follow the money thing.
		Always follow the money.
		And so I think that it was a major player and you cut the supply line.
		And one of the principles of war is you cut the supply lines.
		And I think that's what Trump has done.
		He's cut the supply line.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you about harsh cracking down on crime right away.
		Otherwise it gets out of hand.
		And I thought the summer of love, they called it those riots that just kind of got out of control.
		And then three days later and no National Guard presence, I'm like, first day I was working with Tim and I was like, where's the National Guard, bro?
		What the fuck's going on?
		And it took a while.
		And we saw the response to that.
		But the problem here that I'm having internally is that this doesn't seem like an acute problem.
		This isn't a riot that needs to be put down.
		It's not like an acute issue that needs to be stomped down by the National Guard.
		It's like chronic crime.
		It's like a forever problem.
		What's temporary sending the National Guard to cities other than D.C. D.C., they have jurisdiction.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about the attacks on ICE, the ICE, the ICE agents who are arresting illegals being attacked.
		So I don't think he's trying to fix crime generally.
		He may have been in with D.C.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The intention for sending Marines or National Guard.
		Is it Marines and National Guard?
		Is that what's being sent?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so the Marines that were deployed in L.A., they were only allowed to protect federal buildings.
		They can't enforce domestic law.
		So the strategy that Trump has largely employed was by having them there, criminals are scared because if you engage military, they can respond.
		They can defend themselves.
		So the idea is basically like, hey, don't mess around while these guys are here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did they give an end date for taking the feds out or is it just like until violence decreases?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this is interesting because I think recently there was a stay on the restrictions Trump is allowed to keep operating the National Guard in California.
		I think it worked.
		I think we're dealing with an unprecedented, I shouldn't say unprecedented, but a generational calm, at least in my adult life.
		I mean, in my teen years, you had, obviously, you had the riots and the protests around George W. Bush.
		With Obama, you got Occupy.
		Even Obama's second term, you still had protests and riots.
		The BLM emerged during Obama's presidency.
		And then in 2014, escalating into, of course, the Ferguson riots.
		Then we got Freddie Gray Baltimore.
		It never stopped until this year.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		2014.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Until this year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's got to be USAID.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		USAID money came into domestic issues was 2014.
		I'm sure it was like during Vietnam and stuff.
		They were doing that with whatever organization they were using at the time.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		When I was a teenager, it was the 68 Detroit riots.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, let me ask you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How old are you?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		72.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you've seen a lot in the political space.
		When I'm a teenager in the 2000s, we had all of the anti-war protests.
		So the moment I'm growing up and I'm starting to see the political stuff.
		I remember 2000 with the George Bush Al Gore stuff, but I didn't really pay attention to it.
		I was watching Simpsons reruns on Fox at 10 o'clock or whatever.
		And then they'd mention, we're going to, tonight on 11 o'clock news.
		And I'm like, I don't know.
		Then I'm like 17, 18, and people are marching in the streets.
		From this point, there's always been a protest and riot season and activism.
		Was it like this before the 2000s?
		Were there periods where nobody was riding, there was no protest?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there were periods that there were riot seasons, right?
		Like in 68, there'd be periodic outbursts.
		Generally, back then, it was racial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was like every summer there was some kind of...
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		No, not every summer.
unidentified		Right.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So there'd be periods of calm and then there'd be pent-up energy and there'd be but you mean like years of calmer.
		There'd be years of calm.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I guess my point is in my whole life, we haven't had that until now.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which is why I'm like something feels weird.
		I went to the Daily Mail today.
		I was reading the news and their top story said outbreak of the world's deadliest disease.
		And I was like, the picture they used was just a picture of a bay.
		And I was like, okay, this must be the slowest news day in a long time.
		And it was a report about an increase in tuberculosis, which is kind of serious, but really?
		That's like kind of a local story in Maine.
		Even Trump talking about the National Guard in Portland over ICE.
		This is a really small local protest.
		And so I was, you know, I was talking to boys about it, talking to my wife about it.
		I'm like, this is like the first summer of my life where there's not been mass riots.
		That's crazy.
		What's going on?
		It's got to be USAID.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ian, you mentioned like 2014 or whatever.
		That does coincide with the end of the, or with the Smith Modernization Act, which we've talked about, you know, the act that allowed it, the Modernization Act allowed State Department to disseminate basically propaganda to the American people.
		And that was in the, I believe it was the 2013 NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act.
		So I don't know if the USAID money was being, I don't have evidence that it was, but it is a coincidence that at the same, you know, right around the same time that the Smithmont Modernization Act was signed into law, and then you saw this uptick of all this, you know, essentially, you know, tumult in the United States from the past.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Also keep in mind that the liberal progressive mind didn't flip a switch where it's violent all of a sudden.
		They have to work themselves up to it.
		So Thomas Soule has the subtitle of one of his books is Vision of the Anointed, and the subtitle is Self-Congratulation as the Basis for Social Policy.
		Liberals, progressives, like to think of themselves as the civilized people in the room, the moral people in the room, the intelligent people in the room.
		And USAID presented itself as foreign aid for programs overseas.
		We're going to help the children.
		We're going to build democracy.
		We're going to do all these things full of sweetness and light.
		And it became violent by degrees.
		It's not something you just, you don't go out to save the world, join the Peace Corps, and then overnight you turn into a monster.
		That has to happen slowly.
		It has to be a process of corruption and like intellectual self-deception.
		And I believe that we got to this period of long chain of riots where they talked themselves into believing they really were saving democracy.
		And it was that famous, the equivalent of that general statement in the Vietnam War.
		We had to destroy the village in order to save it.
		The liberals think they've gotten to the point where they believe they have to destroy democracy in order to save it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I prefer the more contemporary We Did It Patrick.
		For those that are not familiar, it is this.
		We did it, Patrick.
		We saved the city.
		And it is SpongeBob and Patrick in a city that's on fire and everything's being destroyed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No one's fighting anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		We did it, Patrick.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I never heard that before about the Vietnam ethos.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They were like, was that like a government thing they had to say or was that just a famous quote from a general?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		They had obliterated a village and he said, well, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.
		And everybody sees on that.
		And I think that the progressives have gotten to the point where they sincerely believe that if they fight to overturn what the people all voted for, and they voted Trump in, he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
		Well, that's obviously anti-democratic because they define democracy as getting their way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I had a friend, a very close friend who didn't like Trump 2018, 2019.
		It might even be around 2019.
		And he said, it's okay to use evil to defeat evil.
		And I was like, doesn't that make you evil?
		Isn't that the point?
		It's like you don't use evil.
		You don't let yourself become that.
		And it was just so shocking.
		He's like one of my best friends for 30 years, 40 years at that point.
		And it was so shocking to hear that come out of his mouth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I should just be in a really good mood because I was saying this like a month ago or so ago, a month or so ago.
		When I was younger, my attitude was very much: people care too much about sports.
		They would rather watch the baseball game than care about the war and what's going on in this world.
		And, you know, I'm protesting, I'm angry.
		And I'm like, you mean to tell me that Barack Obama's blowing up kids and you'd rather watch a football game?
		And then I realized when everyone started caring more about politics than sports, there's a lot of stupid people who wield power in very dangerous ways.
		And I'm like, careful what you wish for.
		Yeah, people need to get back to caring about sports.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Then only a ball is involved.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And they treat politics like sports.
		A lot of people do.
		A lot of people call the left and the right like the teams, like they're two teams playing for the win.
		And it's like, now we're sitting here on top of the hill that we feel like we've won.
		And it's like, what is winning?
		It doesn't make it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It means I'm not worried about going outside and having someone molotov my car.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's less stressful, but there's still serious problems.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like there's still.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's significantly less in the United States, at least in the United States.
		And I agree now, granted, if you're going to go ahead and expand the context to the whole world, there's always bad stuff going on somewhere in the world that you can point to and say, oh, things aren't perfect.
		But in the United States, like the fact that there are not riots in every city, that we haven't had massive riots, that stuff, even if it doesn't affect us as individuals, it affects a lot of individuals.
		Like if you're, you know, if you own a business and someone throws a Molotov cocktail through your window or even just a rock through your window, like that's a huge hassle.
		It sucks, you know, and that's, that affects a lot of people.
		You don't want that stuff in your society at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've been, you know, there's a lot of people kind of freaking out because views are way down across the board across a bunch of different podcasts.
		Revenue is on the decline.
		It's summer.
		Ad rates are down.
		It's kind of normal.
		But it is an unusually low interest right now.
		There's very little news to talk about Congress.
		Even when Congress is in session, there's not a lot going on.
		Like even the Epstein stuff is like, we get it.
		You know what I mean?
		Like they come back from recess and then here we are, discharge petition and all that stuff.
		And I've actually been fairly optimistic.
		We're working on a bunch of projects.
		We're working on other news projects talking about mini documentaries.
		I launched a new channel at Tim Pool where it's kind of just an opportunity to do other content outside of this kind of this culture war that we've been entrenched in.
		And the culture war debate show we're doing is more evergreen political debates.
		We're actually talking with some networks about doing full seasons and getting funding.
		And I'm like, man, it's actually a great opportunity for business development.
		It's new and exciting.
		And I don't have to worry about far left is smashing things.
		And, you know, I like kind of seems like we at least have 90% of the battlefield at this point.
		And the left has just totally been washed out.
		I mean, Cracker Barrel, Bud Light, Target.
		Even Hooters is trying to rebrand to be family friendly now.
		Did you guys see that story?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what happened?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're getting good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, yeah, yeah.
		Hooters announced that they're going to do a rebrand to try and be more of a family-friendly location.
		I'm like, change your name.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Or make it full owl.
		Like, forget about it.
		It is an owl.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		With a bigger one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'm like, man, You know, there's a story we have pulled up that we'll get to in a little bit about how Gen Z men don't believe in gender equality, whatever that means.
		They believe more in gender roles.
		Young men are skewing more religious.
		They're more likely to be conservative.
		This shift, I think, is resulting, like we, you know, I'll put it this way.
		My prediction was first, because of the low birth rates of the 2000s and the financial crisis, that we were going to, one, we're going to have a population cultural crisis.
		I believe that's going to happen.
		But another component of that that I've been talking about for years is that it was largely liberals who weren't having kids and religious conservatives were.
		That means do the math.
		If liberals don't have kids and conservatives do, give it 20 years and you've got a generation that is more likely to be conservative and religious.
		And I think that's what we're seeing.
		And I think one of the reasons, not just the deployment of troops, but one of the reasons why riot season may be simmering down and why it's probably going to go away, there aren't enough children of leftist ideology anymore.
		You know, people tell me, yeah, but the universities are indoctrinating conservatives' children.
		Yes, but that is fleeting.
		Parents will always have more influence than universities.
		Some kids from conservative families will go leftist, but it's not a guarantee.
		Now, if you're born to a purple-haired pair of moms, or I should say if you're born, you know, surrogacy or whatever to two dads or whatever, you're likely going to, you're more likely to hold that ideology to be leftist.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		On the college thing, keep in mind that colleges across the country are about to go off a demographic cliff.
		Because a number of them are going to go under.
		So the model of everybody and his dog go to college is not sustainable, to use a term from the left.
		And so you're not going to have as many kids to indoctrinate anymore.
		What you're saying is very true.
		In my experience, the liberals have 1.7 children, so they can have something to put into daycare.
		And in the church that I pastor, it's four, five, six, seven kids are normal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you describe yourself as Christian nationalist?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's way better for you than you realize.
		When you look at the fertility rates among younger millennials and Gen Z, which is the principal fertility years for young women, it is estimated between 0.3 and 0.8 in general.
		Now, this is, of course, because liberals have none and conservatives have one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's worth pointing out, too, political affiliation is actually pretty heritable.
		Like, if you're a conservative, you're likely to have kids that are conservative.
		They might rebel when they're young, but by the time they reach adulthood, they're probably going to be similar political.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick to your point, when you're saying you're seeing like four and five kids, the parents are probably, what, in their like early 30s?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The 20s, actually, some of them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		20s and 30s.
		So I've got three kids.
		I have 18 grandkids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
unidentified		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		I've got four great-grandchildren.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And one more great-grandchild on the way.
		So my wife and I are just a humble couple, and we have multiple descendants.
		And my kids, one kid has five, another kid has five, the other has eight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're, how old is your oldest great-grandchild?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		My oldest great-grandchild is two.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Superior.
		We were having a conversation about this.
		There's a viral social media post where someone said, someone posted, my grandfather gifted me his PlayStation 1.
		What do you think about these games?
		Do you have any recommendations?
		And then someone responded with, your grandfather, is this a rage bait?
		And this, because you're intentionally trying to antagonize the millennials or whatever.
		And the person responded with, my father was 28 when he got the PlayStation 1 when it came out.
		He had his first, my dad was born.
		My dad was eight years old when my grandfather got this.
		He had my dad at 20.
		My dad had me at 20.
		I'm now 18 and my grandfather is 40 years older than me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Which was like totally normal until 80 years ago or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you go back 100, 200 years, it was not uncommon for a grandparent to live with their great-great-grandchild.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because if you're going on an average of like 20 or so years.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You start early.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You're 20 of your first kid.
		You're 40, your first grandkid, 60, your first great-grandkid.
		By the time you're 80, your great-great-grandchild is there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking about life extension and how it might be possible for people to live till they're 200.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden, you're going to be the same biological age as your great-great-great-great-grandchild, and you're both going to look at each other like you're both 30-year-olds with healthy genetics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's that movie with Justin Timberlake and Olivia Wilde.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everybody stops aging at 30 or something.
unidentified		There's the time where they have one of the worst movies I've ever seen, by the way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the idea was that once you invent genetic immortality, they had to create a way to facilitate dying.
		And so time is money and it's on your arm.
		And the movie's really bad.
		But it's an interesting idea.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Jumping back to the point you made about the Gen Z becoming more religious, more conservative.
		One of the things I like to say, observe is that in the long run, stupidity never works.
		And human beings have a need for the transcendent.
		You can't treat human society like we're all rats in a maze and there is nothing above the maze.
		It says in Ecclesiastes, again, God has put eternity in our hearts.
		We want to matter.
		We want to mean something.
		And you can't have your meaning assigned to you by Congress or by the media.
		That's not sufficient.
		That's going to collapse under any weight you try to put on it.
		And that means there's a religious hunger that people have.
		And if you can stifle it for a time, but we're in the middle of a massive recoil.
		People are saying, I need something more than this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hate to bring it up now for the third night in a row, but I commented on a new song by the singer, Haley Williams.
		She was the paramour singer.
		She put out an album, solo album.
		And in the song she put out, there's a line saying, I'm going on, I'll paraphrase.
		She's like, I'm going on 37, and I have no idea what the ever-living F I'm doing here.
		Does anyone know if this is normal?
		And it's fascinating to hear.
		It's like someone is similar age to me.
		I'm 39.
		She's going on 37.
		And my response is just, it's not normal.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Throughout human history, for thousands of years, everybody had a purpose.
		They had a mandate.
		They knew what they were doing.
		You did not have such widespread nihilism and listlessness.
		Listlessness.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Someone today I saw a video.
		They were like, your purpose actually is the way you make other people feel when you do what you love.
		That was kind of nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I feel like for the secular atheists, your purpose is to create, to organize, to work towards order.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But the thing that I would add to that, all this is good, but you have to have someone that's outside the human condition who approves of it.
		You can't just say, we're bits of protoplasm.
		We're just flotsam and jetsum on the ocean of being.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, that's a good way to put it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Flotsam and jetsum on the ocean of being.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, essentially, the argument that you're talking about is, you know, without some kind of foundation, then life has no meaning, right?
		Like without God or without a spiritual anchor, then there is no meaning to life.
		And people can say, well, I have this meaning and I have that meaning.
		But if your meaning is all subjective and there's no rock that it's based on or no serious foundation, then your subjective meaning doesn't mean anything to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do, I really want to get to this next story about the Depthsy thing, but I want to make one more quick point on.
		I say it all the time, I'm not a Christian, but my view of divine mandate is as simple as I can put it, which doesn't really get to the context.
		No one says create order, build, grow, or quite simply, be fruitful and multiply.
		But there's more than just be fruitful and multiply.
		There is be good stewards of the earth, protect others, and stop evil.
		And evil, overly simplified, is efforts towards destruction and chaos.
		And when you look at the leftist and liberal worldview over at least my lifetime, they are agents of chaos.
		They are the joker.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pushback against entropy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They are the agents of entropy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They seek to dismantle, destroy, and disrupt.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		It says in Proverbs chapter 8, Lady Wisdom is talking in Proverbs 8.
		And she says, all who hate me love death.
		And basically, the whole progressive element is a death wish.
		They want things to die.
		They want economies to die.
		They want babies in the womb to die.
		They want marriage to die.
		They want men and women and their identity as men and women.
		They want all that to die.
		They want it all to wither and turn brown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And let me add this.
		I know that there's going to be liberals who say that's ridiculous.
		I don't want anyone to die.
		I would never think that.
		Let's just step outside of the personal feelings on the matter and take a look at the consequences of action.
		The consequences of the modern progressive worldview is death, destruction, and chaos.
		Listen, this PBD, Petropette David, surrounded by 20 anti-capitalists, was so great because you see them espousing an ideology where if you literally just follow the logical steps of what they're proposing, it is death, destruction, and chaos.
		When they say communism, a cashless, classless society, what they're saying is, you will live the way I demand it or else.
		And the ethos they espouse is this surface layer that when you actually ask them the questions of what does it mean and how do you achieve this, they end up basically saying, I guess we have to have the killing fields again.
		We know the results of that ideology and where it leads to.
		It is chaos, destruction, and disorder.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Communism killed 100 million people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I choose order over chaos, but the problem with just order is like, I agree that people need to hire something other than beyond.
		But then, where do they get that from?
		Do they get it from the media?
		Is it the media that tells them?
		And then I've started thinking, like, what is the media, man?
		Media is books and television.
		It's whatever the information is delivered on.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I'm a preacher, so I'm going to say the Bible.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		God did not leave us in the dark.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Bible also is a piece of media.
		This is what's been going on with my mind.
		And it's like, they tell me this is, like, I get morals and things from movies and television.
		I can learn from stories.
		But if a piece of media tells me this is true, I need to do research.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What do you classify?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How are you classifying the Bible as media?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's just a book.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Book is like one of the oldest forms of media.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he's not wrong.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, but the reason I say that is because, like, would stories that are handed down be considered media?
		And the reason I ask that is because obviously at least the first, well, the most of the Bible, not all, not the New Testament so much, but the first part of the Bible, the first half of the Bible, the Old Testament, not half, the Old Testament, was actually stories that were handed down verbally before people were writing.
		And they were really like, whether or not you believe in God and you believe in the literal nature of the stories in the Bible, they really do lay out a way to live your life that will produce mostly good results for the most people if you live your life that way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think the story, like the morals from the Bible are key.
		And a lot of, even in movies, sometimes you'll get it, you'll see a movie and you'll be like, I'm going to change my life.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But people won't do it if I get up in my own name and say, hey, my good advice, I'm an older guy.
		Why don't you live in a decent way?
		That's not authoritative enough.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's true, true, true.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So I'm just an old geezer.
		I'm a boomer, and I'm telling you to shape up.
		Who needs that?
		There's a difference between a preacher, like a modernist liberal preacher, getting up in the pulpit and saying, It seems to me, or on the other hand, or at the end of the day, and a conservative preacher who stands up and says, Thus saith the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who made heaven and earth, this is how he wants you to live.
		And then a smart kid is going to say, How do we know that?
		And I'd say, Well, I believe the Bible is inspired by God because God, who made heaven and earth, did not leave us abandoned in this awful world.
		This world is a place that can go to destruction, chaos, and all the rest of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually believe it's objective that when you study enough about the nature of existence, the things that humans universally agree upon and find to be good.
		What I've stated, and I got the, you know, it's funny, is the most pushback I get on this statement is actually coming from Christians because I suppose it is trying to like create a apply like a Christian moral worldview to secularism, whatever.
		But my argument is when you take a look at the history of the world and the religions of the world and the civilizations of the world, pretty sure all the people here would agree we have the best one, be it wealth, access, the expansion of rights, and it was all built on a Christian moral tradition.
		Well, all I can say for now is I certainly don't think we found the end-all-be-all of truth in the universe.
		Christians, you know, maybe you found a component of it.
		My argument is, as far as I can see right now, based on what we know, there are many religions that are destructive, chaotic, and evil and hate each other and commit acts of violence or promote behaviors that are destructive to life, like cousin marriage, for instance, which science has shown us already is really, really bad.
		Then you take a look at the Christian moral tradition, the nations born upon it, and they're too nice.
		They've been very forgiving and welcoming and open.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's a sort of like subservience built into it, I think, that needs to be shattered for the Christian to awaken.
		Like your Lord, that term, because your king was your Lord.
		And I feel like the Roman wanted you to call him Lord, and they would be like, bow down, say my words, call me Lord.
		And it's the guy standing up there reading the text.
		And like, you want people to be like Jesus.
		You want them to stand up and be leaders for their community and heal people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what I would say, you know, to the point I was making previously, is that there are religions today that say, believe or die.
		Claim it's true or else.
		And that's not what we have in Christianity.
		In fact, Christians are too forgiving to the evil.
		And my criticism of the Christians in the United States is that this was a Christian-dominated nation in the 50s.
		That means 98% or whatever.
		And that's been declining because Christians don't beat people and force them and scream at them, even at the height of the power in the United States.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The besetting sin of evangelical Christians is that they're so sweet that diabetics can't be friends with them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But for me, why do you think that it is fascinating?
		I'm sorry, just real quick: it's fascinating how the left paints Christians in this country as like an evil, fascistic, authoritarian.
		You know, the handmaids tell us.
		And I'm like, real quick, if that were true, they never would have given up the power they had in the majority, and they would have entrenched those laws.
		They would have entrenched their faith and religion in the Constitution and the government.
		They did not do that.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The reason, to answer your question, what happens is when you are young, lean, and hungry, you're tough and you make your money in the business sense.
		And then you get complacent.
		Things are nice.
		And it's the difficult, difficult times, hard men.
		Hard men create good times.
		Good times create soft men.
		And in Deuteronomy, it says, Jeshuan waxed fat and kicked.
		So what happens is Evangelical Christianity was a victim of its own success.
		It helped create a very stable society, one of the most productive societies, and they got complacent and lazy.
		And I think you're exactly right, didn't defend what they ought to have defended.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this story.
		We'll move on from here.
		It was a great conversation, by the way, but I enjoyed it.
		We've got this story from the Daily Mail: President Trump and FBI informants.
		Speaker Mike Johnson may have just spilt the beans as to why Trump is so concerned about this Epstein story.
		Super quiet.
unidentified		Hold on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He has never started.
unidentified		What's he referring to is the hoax that the Democrats are using to try to attack him.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He has never said or suggested or imply.
unidentified		I've talked to him about this many times, many times.
		And he's horrifying the whole thing off.
		It's been misrepresented.
		He's not saying that what Epstein did is a hoax.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a terrible, unspeakable evil.
unidentified		He believes that himself.
		When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Vira-Lago.
		He was an FBI informant to try to take this stuff down.
		The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who've suffered these unspeakable harms.
		It's detestable to him.
		He and I have spoken about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, there's a couple theories on this.
		One is that Mike Johnson let slip this statement to try and protect Trump's reputation.
		There's also that, you know, basically like, oh, did you know he was an FBI informant stopping it?
		That's why.
		Or I think there's a strong possibility here.
		I don't know for sure.
		I'm not saying I trust Trump on any of this stuff.
		Elon says he's in the files, whatever.
		Let's get the files and figure it out.
		But let's at least entertain.
		Did Speaker Mike Johnson maybe accidentally just slip up that Trump was an FBI informant?
		And the reason why Trump doesn't want the documents released is that they're going to show that Trump was snitching on powerful people.
		That's prominent, wealthy individuals doing untoward things.
		And the documents are going to show that Donald Trump was a snitch.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Here's the argument that I don't know, obviously, but the argument against that would be: if there was material in the Epstein files that would be damaging to Donald Trump and his business relationships, it would have been out by now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats would have gotten him with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If it was implicative of Trump, if the documents show that Trump was doing bad things to children and underage girls, they'd have released it.
		But if the documents show that Trump was working with law enforcement to stop this, that's not damaging to Trump's reputation among his voters.
		It's damaging to Trump's reputation among powerful elites he needs to do deals with.
		So the Democrats might be thinking it's going to help Trump.
		If we leak files showing that Trump stopped Epstein, people are going to cheer for him.
		Trump may be saying, if they find out that I ran it on Bill Gates and Bill Clinton and I was the one actually spying on him or wore a wire or did who knows what, these people aren't going to want to do deals with his business.
		If Trump was snitching on prominent world leaders, I'm not saying he did.
		I'm not saying I believe that's the case.
		But it could be an explanation.
		Trump was a snitch.
		I'm going to put it this way.
		I'm going to paint Trump in the worst possible light in this regard.
		Trump only cared about himself.
		He only cared about his organization.
		When he heard about what Epstein was doing, he said, this is exposure I don't need.
		And when the FBI came to him about Epstein, he says, I'll do whatever you want.
		I'll help you out.
		And they say, wear a wire, give us a list of names.
		What if Trump gave ledgers from his club to the FBI?
		What's going to happen to Mar-a-Lago when all of the people who spend their 20 grand, I think it's like 200 grand to sign up or something.
		Maybe I'm wrong, but it's like 20 grand a year or something.
		What's going to happen when a bunch of these people find out that their names and private information were handed over to the feds as part of a criminal investigation into Epstein or to illicit activities?
		What if Trump was informing more than just Epstein?
		What if Trump was feeding the FBI information on tons of cases about prominent, powerful elites?
		That would be extremely bad for Trump's business and his dealings with powerful elites so much so that he'd be like, we can't release this stuff.
		It would destroy my family's business, my legacy.
		If people find out that I was basically a spy for the federal government against powerful elites, the populace, his voter base, might be like, wow, Trump was actually trying to stop bad people.
		That's not what the powerful people are going to think, though.
		They're going to think, destroy this guy.
		I want revenge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know how true this is.
		I'm interested in finding out more, but I will say this is actually more believable that he was an FBI informant than that he was a KGB informant.
		Like it was asserted by what's his name?
		So Jonathan Shait.
		Yeah, Jonathan Shait.
		So I think that, and also it would be a good thing because it would prove that he's more patriotic than Jonathan Shade as well.
		But yeah, I mean, I don't know that he is, obviously.
		And I want to see more information.
		There's a tweet going around that was, I forget the guy's name, but he was he now that this has come out, there's more information kind of trickling out.
		People are saying, yes, Donald Trump was an FBI informant.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Has Johnson been asked about the comment?
		Has there been a follow-up?
		Hey, what did you mean by that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this actually just came out a couple hours ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if there's been enough.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right after he says the word informant, look at his eyes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He like his eyes get real wide and he blinks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do I have another one?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then a couple seconds later, there's this camera.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me play this video for you guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen to this.
unidentified		You actually try to press up on Trump, but you could never get to him.
salvatore gravano ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Because he had ex-FBI agents all around him?
salvatore gravano ▲ ● ▼		All the time.
		And I tried a couple of times to press him and make arrangements where I could work with him and on whatever.
		I did that with other big contractors.
		I had the power of the unions.
		I could do all kinds of little things, but I couldn't get to him.
		He wouldn't bite.
		He just wouldn't bite.
		He didn't want to do anything like that.
		And there were layers of people in the middle.
		One of my guys said, we'll go up the office.
		I said, we'll go up the office.
		Everybody around him is an ex-FBI agent.
		We'll go up the office.
		We'll get cuffed and we'll go right to prison.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
salvatore gravano ▲ ● ▼		So forget about Trump.
		He's a legitimate guy.
		He don't want to do it.
		Forget about Trump.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And for context, that's Sammy the Bull Gravano.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So he's a fairly well-known organized crime guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if a component of Trump's acrimony is anger?
		Is that he spent a lot of time thinking that he was cooperating with the feds, that he was in their good graces.
		And then when they betrayed him and went after him, he took it very personally.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, well, firstly, so much weird stuff.
		When he visited, or someone visited Ghylaine Max, who was basically the ringleader of the whole Epstein, you call it the Maxwell files, is what it should be called.
		It's her running this thing.
		She had Jeff put her in a minimum security prison.
		And then a month later, she says Trump never did anything toward.
		I'm like, all right, that smells.
		So I'm like, maybe Trump was hooking up with underage girls.
		And that's why it's why all of a sudden he's like, it's a hoax.
		But I think your conspiracy crazy theory might be more realistic that he, because he's such an ordered candidate.
		He's such like a law and order guy that he would have worked with the feds, like happy to.
		Because he might have gone to them.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Because if he was doing business, doing dirty work with underage girls, the Democrats had access to that for years and they could destroy him.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so now it's the why is Trump freaking out over this?
		The Democrats didn't release it.
		And you know they would have.
		They falsely accused him of rape in New York, civil fraud.
		They tried arresting him.
		They literally arrested him, tried convicting him several times.
		They'd have taken any opportunity.
		I actually, I'm not saying I know for sure.
		I don't know if it's my theory.
		I'm just saying if this is true, there probably is a higher probability that Trump's a snitch.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And I'm saying that it makes me love him more if he complied and worked with the FBI on getting Epstein thrown away.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not just Epstein.
		Prominent, powerful elites.
		Like, you know, he look when he's saying Trump was surrounded by ex-FBI guys.
		How does Trump know the ex-FBI guys?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And he was so famous in the 80s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who in his circle is like, I can get you connected with guys who were in the United States.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But a lot would ride on the powerful elites.
		What were they doing?
		And was it really bad?
		You know, if it was Epstein-level bad deeds, then that's not going to hurt him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How cool would it be if Trump was an informant for the FBI for a long time, like actually saying, listen, I'm going to do my family business anywhere I can help you, I'll give you information.
		So with all his foreign business dealings, the feds were like, we want information.
		These guys are like, I'll help you out.
		I love this country.
		And then in his dealings, he discovered Hillary Clinton was a crook.
		She was doing untoward things with the Clinton Foundation.
		And he thought, I better run for office and put a stop to this.
		What if Trump's whole thing was he stumbled?
		I'm just like, what a great movie it would be if like Trump was just a business guy who was an informant and he accidentally walks into the wrong room at the wrong time and sees them all shredding documents.
		And then this triggers the movement.
		I have to save this country.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And then he rides down the escalator.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The feds came and they're like, there's only a few good ones of us left, Donald.
		We need you.
		Like the ones he'd been working with in the 90s and the 2000s.
		They're like, we've been taken over.
		We need you to run for office.
		You have to save this country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is another conspiracy that's been around for a while, and that is Trump is deep state.
		And it was funny.
		We talked about this over the election.
		There's a conspiracy theory that I love this one.
		It's my favorite.
		In the late 2010s, I'm sorry, in the late 2000s, you saw the rise of Alex Jones.
		He was getting bigger and bigger and more prominent, more popular.
		And he got very, very big in the 2010s.
		And the Ron Paul love revolution, libertarianism, anti-establishment, anti-war was getting very popular online, which also bubbled up into the Tea Party and Occupy movements.
		So the conspiracy theory goes that the CIA, very, very smart guys who plan, have plans in place for decades, said, how do we stop this?
		Okay.
		We're trying to do the stodgy uniparty candidates, the old white guy versus old white guy, but people aren't buying it anymore.
		The 2000 thing was crazy.
		You get Obama.
		They say the deep state goes, we're going to do Obama.
		We're going to the first black president.
		Still got protests after Obama won.
		People were still upset.
		Occupy upset.
		Occupy Wall Street was during Obama's first term, 2011.
		And so CIA says something's not working.
		There's a populist uprising happening.
		What do we do?
		Here's the idea.
		We need a popular candidate who can play the villain of the establishment, but who's actually in it the whole time.
		So the conspiracy theory goes that Donald Trump is friends with Hillary Clinton.
		He's friends of the deep state.
		And they set him up to make it look like they were attacking him so that the conspiracy theorist anti-war faction would side with Donald Trump like Alex Jones had done.
		Then when he wins, the populist movement gets back behind the person you chose in the first place.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, the controlled opposition essentially, maybe except I feel like he really, like Hillary wasn't at the level of the people that Trump was, if Trump was working with FBI, I feel like there are people in the middle that didn't know and they just got, you know, rolled.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Entertain this.
		Brian Krasenstein says, Mike Johnson just claimed Trump was an FBI informant to help take down Epstein.
		If this is the case, then Trump would be a hero after it's all released in the Epstein files, released the files.
		Interesting.
		When the liberals are saying Trump would be a hero if that were true.
		Interesting.
		I don't think Trump is deep state.
		I think the simple solution tends to be the correct one.
		I think Donald Trump was an outside of the Uni Party candidate.
		They didn't think he was going to win, but he's a celebrity who knows how to sell.
		They stumbled into it.
		He ended up winning.
		Hillary thought she was going to win, but Trump squeaked by with three states, getting about 80,000 votes in those states, put him over the edge.
		They got angry, lost their minds, and started having a temper tantrum, as they do, accusing me of being a spy.
		It bubbled up and escalated to the point where they literally arrested him and tried putting in jail and stopping him, but then ultimately lost, and here we are, and Trump's largely won.
		Yeah.
		We knew the solution.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That Trump had worked with the FBI over Epstein.
		They said this like a couple few months ago.
		It had been made pretty clear that he'd already in the past been in contact with the FBI Repstein.
		Now, the word informant, it's almost semantic.
		Like, he probably feels bad about saying that word because of the weight of the word.
		But also, you inform on one guy.
		The FBI's, like, once you're an FBI informant, you're kind of an FBI informant for life, I think, from what I've heard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He could be lying.
		That's true.
		That's a real simple.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		That's a misstep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He misspoke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He meant to say that everybody knows that Trump had basically not been an informant, but had given a statement to the FBI.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, if Trump informed on Epstein and a bunch of other billionaires, like good.
		Not necessarily for his businesses, but good.
		Like, that's a good thing.
		I don't.
unidentified		Maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the question.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The FBI, if it's strong arms and you never.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the question I have is: the way that the Trump admin is handling the Epstein thing is weird because he could just lie.
		You know, when he's sitting at the table and it's like, why does everyone care about this?
		Oh, it's all a Democrat hoax.
		He could literally just keep saying the things we're finding, we're going to keep digging.
		And when it's ready, we'll get it to you.
		I'm sorry it's taking so long, but we don't want the bad guys to get away.
		So we need to build a sound case.
		And then everyone forgets about it, right?
		I've been saying this since the beginning.
		If Dan Bongino came out and said, you know, we're looking at all of these Epstein files and it's dark stuff.
		Guys, I am not going to release it before we're ready because the bad guys will get away if we do.
		So it's going to take time.
		Everyone will forget about it.
		So I'm wondering what the heck is going on behind the scenes?
		Because Trump could just lie and it would go away, but he's not.
		So maybe they're just incompetent.
		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And like, I think most of those files are burned anyway.
		I mean, I keep hearing this from people like Mike Benz talks about it.
		Mike Cernovich talks about it.
		For sure.
		Like day one, you torch the files and then you smash the servers, of course, if you're going to cover up a crime like that, I would think.
		But, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, Mike Cernovich said these documents have been gone for years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's no way they held on to any of the incriminating evidence.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But then they're still not, that Trump's still like, it's just a hoax.
		Forget about it.
		Even if the files are gone, like it's just a very weird, very weird left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing kind of energy right now.
		Or like a scrambling energy.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		It's highly likely that they've been destroyed for years, but then you can't account for why the Trump underlings were over-promising.
		The Pam Bondi saying they're on my desk.
		And yeah, that would be weird.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like were they enticed into saying that by someone and then they said it and then realized?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or you were just elected and everybody's giddy and it went to your head and you like the like the adrenaline rush that comes from enticing the press.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What did you guys think about how those women, 100 Epstein survivor women, said they were going to drop all the names?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Why haven't they?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I think.
		If they have access to name, if they have names to name, name the names.
		Like, I think that it's BS and I think it's BS specifically because they're not, this isn't new.
		They've had this information for allegedly 20 years or more or whatever.
		If they have this information, why are they sitting on it?
		Why did it go away yesterday?
		Release the information.
		If you have a list, compile the list and put it, make it public.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they're waiting for Massey's proposal in Congress to get the files released.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think he's waiting on three more signatures in order to get it passed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's no guarantee that he'll ever get those signatures.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I will stress.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't have information.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let me put it out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will stress this too.
		I do support Massey and Kana's effort so far, but I got to be honest, the oversight committee and the DOJ have already committed to releasing the files and said they will.
		I don't trust them.
		So that's why I do think what Massey and Rokano do lean towards the good.
		But at the same time, shouldn't you be like, all right, we're going to give them a month to put out the files.
		And if they're not going to do it, then we're going to file.
		To be like, they said they're going to do it.
		They've been putting out files, but we're going to do this anyway.
		I'm kind of like, they just put out 33,000 files, of which I think 3% to 5% were never before seen.
		So the files, or at least some of them are getting released.
		Wouldn't the reasonable thing be we're going to give them the opportunity to release as they said they are.
		We're going to trust that they're going to do it, benefit of the doubt.
		And then if they don't adhere to a timeframe, we'll go for a discharge petition.
		My point is just, it seems kind of weird to straight go for a discharge petition when they claim they're already working on it and literally just released files.
		It seems disingenuous.
		I mean, again, I don't trust they're going to release everything, but the argument is then you've got to let it play out.
		I mean, again, the Epstein story is not going anywhere.
		You know?
		It makes it feel like a stunt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, maybe it's a response to them, the binder release that ended up being a nothing.
		And it's like, all right, that's day one.
		Now day two is another nothing burger.
		Now 33,000 files go up and there's like nothing there except for some new stuff that's nothing.
		Well, give us the real deal kind of energy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, for sure.
		That's why I'm saying I lean towards more agreeing with them doing it.
		But I do think it's fair to question that it's you're going to have to redact stuff.
		Even in the Massey bill, they expect things to be redacted and withheld.
		So what is what is do we have reason to believe the oversight committee is literally not doing it?
		I mean, they put up 33,000 files.
		We got a decent amount of new documents.
		People aren't getting what they want.
		So again, I'll stress, I'm begrudgingly saying, well, you know what?
		They should do it because we just get them released anyway.
		But isn't there a component where it's just like, why don't you wait?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I bet Massey is doing what he thinks his constituents want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what this is all about.
		He thinks the people want it, so he's doing.
		He's a vessel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's probably right.
		Let's jump to this next story, ladies and gentlemen.
		The largest ICE arrest raid in history.
		475 workers.
		And these individuals were from Korea working in a Hyundai plant, Hyundai and Kia.
		I never trusted these Koreans.
		You know what I mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Very good at me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're architecturally different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can attest to their math skills.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Their ability to build trebuchets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Second teen on.
		Is that true?
		It was funny to hear that there's a lot of, I'm Korean, by the way.
		That's the joke.
		I think everybody knows that.
		I don't know.
		But it is funny to hear that actually there's 475 Korean workers here illegally.
		Like, no one saw that one coming.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		How'd they get here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Bearing straight.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was like 200 years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One thing I will say, though, is more so.
		Well, maybe not more so.
		Let me clarify.
		Typically, the illegal immigrants from Asia we see are indentured servants.
		So what you'll get is companies in Southeast Asia will say, we will move you to America and you will owe us $50,000 and have to work for us to pay it back.
		Just general, it's illegal.
		You can't do this.
		They don't tell you this, right?
		They don't come and admit to the United States where it's all indentured servitude.
		They keep this on the books in China and Korea.
		So when you, a lot of the migrants that you meet working at Asian food restaurants or like spas and salons, they're indentured servants who have to work for 10 years for a trafficking organization.
		And that's illegal.
		I just don't think that there's a priority to enforce against it.
		Like no one in government cares.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You think this is that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sort of.
		The interesting thing about the indentured servants is that they're not here illegally.
		The company facilitates their immigration and pays the bills and then they owe a debt.
		So it's indecent servitude.
		This is interesting because this is the much more nefarious.
		They brought these people here illicitly to have them build cars.
		That's crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Shut that in Georgia, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Georgia.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Shut that plant down, expropriate it from Hyundai.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not going to blow up Hyundai, the corporation, but still.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If I were king, I would seize the plant.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		I'd walk in with Royal Guard and say, let this be known to all who seek to subvert the will of the American people, our economy, our laws.
		If foreign interests are operating factories with 500 illegal workers undercutting the American people, we will nationalize it in two seconds.
		Then what I do as king is I would auction it off to American car companies to own the factory.
		I don't want the government to own it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		My joke on the riff off that is if I were king, what a glorious three days that would be.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Look, whatever sharp, my friend.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whatever Donald Trump can do to punish this corporation, whatever he can legally do, he should do.
		Whether it's expropriation, whether it's tariffs, whether it's, you know, I don't know if you can, I don't know what latitude the president has, but he should make it painful for Hyundai for having 400 and whatever, 475 illegal aliens here in the United States because they facilitated.
		It's not just that they were, you know, they snuck in.
		These were Korean workers from a Korean company.
		That means the company facilitated them coming in.
		There should be significant ramifications for Hyundai Corporate.
		Like maybe you have, maybe you tear it.
		I don't know if you tariff the company, but I know that there's all kinds of find them.
		Yeah, find the absolute hell out of them.
		There's all kinds of licensing that they have to do to be able to build a plant of this size in the United States.
		You should go after them in Korea, in South Korea, not just here in the United States.
		Go after them in South Korea for doing this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just to clarify, out of 560 workers, 300 were South Koreans, according to local media.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All of the illegal immigrants that were there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There were 475 arrests.
		It said of the 560 workers, 300 were South Korean nationals.
		So I think there's two distinct numbers here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		500 total workers, 475 illegal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that means some of the South Koreans may have been legal and many of them were not legal.
		But yeah, that's a good point.
		That means the company knew and facilitated.
		And we're talking about 300.
		We're talking 475 illegal.
		That means Hyundai knew.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How many other Hyundai plants are there in the United States?
		Bro, just raid all of them.
		They should be raiding them all tomorrow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You do have to take it up to corporate.
		You're right.
		Sorry to interrupt.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like this is this is something that the corporate structure of Hyundai intentionally did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that meme of the police breaking through the door and then coming through the ceiling and like we need that at all these plants.
		You know, we were talking earlier in the show about like ICE and the protests like disappearing and stuff.
		I'm sorry, National Guard and the protests kind of waning.
		I think ICE is playing a huge role in this.
		It was remarkable when we saw the traffic in L.A.
		And the liberals ran to the high heavens.
		They desperately tried to say it's not true.
		There's still traffic.
		No, traffic in L.A. was down after the ICE raids.
		Whatever you think.
		We had this debate this morning on the use of military for law enforcement.
		And Pisco, our resident liberal guy, was arguing that Trump shouldn't do it.
		It's illegal and military shouldn't be enforced in the law.
		He asked me if I thought they should be in California.
		And I said, depends on the circumstances.
		Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
		In this circumstance in California, what were they doing when the military was deployed?
		Child slave labor on marijuana farms.
		That's what they were stopping.
		If you go to the average American, I guarantee you nine out of 10 times, if you said, if there were child slaves on a drug farm, should we send in National Guard, Marines, or military to rescue those kids and shut down the production and the facilities?
		They're going to say, yeah, absolutely.
		Okay, all right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The emotional response is always yes.
		It's always go get them, stop it.
		But you got to think how that can be twisted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to go ahead and say that in the event child slaves are being forced to grow drugs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Could you provide for me a hypothetical scenario where I would disagree with stopping that using military force?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If it was another illegal thing other than drugs, maybe that's a good question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about a specific.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm trying to think of a similar circumstance in the future that might be replicated in the United States.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The National Guard gets sent in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is a drug farm.
		Child slaves are doing the work.
		And Trump says, I'm going to use the military to stop this.
		What reason could exist where we'd be like, no, no, no, Trump, don't use the military for this one?
		That's an honest question.
		I mean, come up with any hypothetical you want.
		A giant boulder is dangling over the children with an evil villain saying, if you bring the military, I'll cut the rope.
		That's not real, but I'm saying, give me a scenario where I, a reasonable person, would be like, we better not use the military to stop this child slavering at a drug farm.
		No, I think the reality is 100% of the time, a reasonable person, like anyone here, is going to be like, so child slaves are growing drugs.
		They have no choice.
		Let's go rescue them.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		What can't Donald Trump do when he gets Democrats to defend drug cartels, child slavery, this sort of thing?
		Yeah, I think it's open and shut.
		The Democrats are underwater on 80-20 issues across the board, and this was be like a 95-5 issue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, and the five only because some people are developmentally disabled.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And own the farms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it just an operation where the National Guard was in and out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they went in and basically made arrests of illegals and rescued the children who were working as slaves.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't leave the National Guard is not still present.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe at those facilities, but I do believe the National Guard is still present in California.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Doing a sting operation with the military on domestic soil is also a risky precedent to set.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But if it's a sting operation and you're in and out, that's way different than it's not precedent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's illegal.
		There are, so let's just clarify, because this is a debate we're having this morning.
		There are criteria by which Trump can deploy military for domestic law enforcement.
		It's called the Insurrection Act.
		In this case, he didn't do it.
		Now, what Pisco argued is that Marines were assisting in execution of warrants.
		And my argument, and he said, so if it's illegal that Trump deploys the military, is it a good thing?
		And I'm like, sometimes.
		That's just, it's a ridiculous sophistry to be like, there is, we're absolutists.
		Trump can never do a thing.
		I'm like, dude, in California, there were marijuana farms.
		Children were brought there against their will to work on those farms.
		Yeah, sorry, if the local law enforcement is facilitating protecting and facilitating this, Gavin Newsom won't do anything about it.
		I think Newsom should be brought to testify before Congress and criminally investigated for what his government did in facilitating child slave labor in his state and protecting against it, or at least being criminally negligent in not rescuing kids that they knew were being held as slaves.
		So when Donald Trump is like, okay, local laws are not being enforced.
		What is my, what authorities do I have?
		You've got federal law enforcement.
		Are they going to be equipped to go in and stop something as dangerous as like cartel child slave labor?
		Maybe.
		Trump said, we'll use the National Guard with assistance from the Marines.
		And I say, good.
		Good.
		I don't care.
		People are going to argue, but the president of the military, the president of the military stopping child slave labor, listen, come to me when Marines are arresting a guy in front of an abortion clinic for praying, okay?
		And we'll have a conversation about free speech and the line being crossed.
		But I'm not playing this game where liberals say, you are never allowed to stop evil, and we have no choice but to let evil happen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When you say child slaves, were they like illegally brought here and smuggled in and they're just working on a farm?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And forced by the cartels to work growing up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You got to rescue the kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But notice when Eisenhower sent the National Guard to integrate schools in Arkansas or Alabama, I forget.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it was Montgomery, Alabama.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So everybody, all the liberals, progressives, yay, they're not concerned about precedent.
		They're concerned about outcomes.
		If something advances their agenda, they're for it.
unidentified		Yep.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And if something retards their agenda, they're against it.
		And they don't care about process.
		Conservatives.
		I agree, though.
		What's that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the argument I had with Pisco.
		I said that I disagree with Trump.
		He should ban TikTok.
		TikTok's already been codified as law and signed into law that TikTok should be banned, and Trump is refusing to do it.
		And he said, why are you citing law?
		I thought you said sometimes, I thought you said Trump shouldn't follow the law because it's ridiculous sophistry.
		And I said, sometimes, in my moral worldview, TikTok is destroying this country.
		Trump should enforce the ban.
		I'm questioning why Trump is allowing TikTok to remain.
		And I think it has to do with moneyed interests.
		And it's fascinating to me that when I say Donald Trump has moneyed interests in TikTok, so we'll not ban it despite the law being passed.
		Liberals defend that and say, no, no, TikTok is, oh, the point is, I consider myself, I've said this for 10 years, philosophically anarchist.
		I understand that the only laws that can enforce are the laws that people are willing to enforce.
		I don't believe that the way we should live as a nation is anarchy.
		So that's why I say philosophically, I recognize if you do not use your power, you have none.
		That means if Donald Trump says there are child slaves on a farm in California and the standard process to end this would be local law enforcement in California putting an end to it.
		We say, did it happen?
		No.
		We move down to the next step.
		Then what do we do?
		The feds get sent in to put an end to it.
		What we get from libertarians, and not the good Mises caucus libertarians, we like those guys.
		But we had a debate, a date, a debate with a reason, magazine libertarian.
		The conversation was: Democrats have illegally and illicitly arrested Trump's lawyers, unconstitutionally tried to stifle his campaign to steal power in the United States.
		What is the remedy?
		And I was told by the libertarian, none.
		Democrats are allowed to be evil, but Republicans can't enforce a law against them because that would create escalation of conflict between political parties.
		So you just do nothing.
		And I said, well, then they'll do it again and the corruption will get worse and you will live in a corrupt system with tyrants.
		It's like, yeah, well, if Trump starts arresting Democrats for the illegal things they did, that's tyranny.
		And the liberals say the same thing.
		Listen, I understand there are child slaves on that farm, but it would be illegal to stop it.
		Also, I know that ICE enforcement is legal and we're going to use Molotov cocktails to stop it despite it being illegal.
		I recognize that only the power, only those who are willing to use the power they have have power.
		And I will state it publicly and fairly to everybody.
		I will not defend communists who try to take my free speech when their free speech is taken.
		Okay.
		And I'm not going to sit back and let child slave labor continue.
		And this argument that it may be illegal doesn't fly because y'all Molotov cocktailed cops for years.
		So I don't think you actually care about the law and you're lying to me, Trying to use our goodwill.
		I know, you know, Doug, you and I, we agree there should be a law and a mechanism by which law is enforced.
		So we don't like it if cops are illegally or unjustly arresting people.
		They use that against us and say, don't you believe in being fair in the Constitution and good and good jurisprudence?
		And we say, yes.
		Okay, well, you can't stop the child slave labor.
		I'm sick of it.
		These people have child slaves.
		Okay.
		We have crossed that line a long time ago.
		And I will cherry, put the cherry on top.
		It is not even illegal what Trump is doing.
		He has the authority to send in the Marines and the National Guard, literally whatever he wants.
		But he has to not enforce the law.
		No, no, no, no.
		Trump can send all of the Marines, every single one, right into downtown Chicago.
		They just can't enforce law.
		He can tell them, I need you to go stand in Chicago, and they'll say, okay.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		All I'm doing is standing on the corner.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But if the guy gets in his face, can they shoot him because he got too close?
unidentified		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, what if the guy is like aggressing on him?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So are you saying if a Marine Marine's life is being threatened, can he?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or he thinks his life is being threatened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Literally any human in the United States is allowed to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except in like Maryland.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A guy with an M6, whatever, I was going to say M16, like it's 1970.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're allowed to carry guns in the United States too, Ian.
		If you carried an M16, you're not going to have one of those because they made it illegal, but let's say you had an AR-15 and you were walking around West Virginia and a guy threatened your life or threatened you with great bodily harm.
		You can defend yourself.
		So my point is, I would not be happy if Trump sent all of the Marines into Chicago just to stand there.
		I'd be like, this is a waste of resources.
		It is cluttering things up.
		It's good for the economy, I guess.
		They'll buy a lot of hot dogs.
		Chicago, you know, the businesses would be booming.
		There's better ways to go about law enforcement.
		But when they say the estimate right now is that the Trump administration will send about 80 National Guard into each city.
		80.
		Come on, what is that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's his first step.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		What he's doing is he's flying the flag.
		So Teddy Roosevelt sent the, there's a great story about Teddy Roosevelt who sent the great white fleet around the world and Congress only apportioned enough money to send them halfway there.
		But he was flying the flag in all these international ports, show of strength.
		And so Roosevelt sent the fleet to the other side of the world with half the money and then told Congress, if you want the fleet back, then you're going to have to appropriate the money.
		You're going to have to bring it back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's the argument.
		Trump wants to send, the estimate is about 80 National Guard in 19 cities.
		They will have no law enforcement capability.
		That would require the Insurrection Act.
		Or there's another act.
		I forgot what it was.
		There's two.
		Insurrection Act allows the military, National Guard.
		There's another one.
		I forgot what it's called.
		He's not doing it.
		What do we see in D.C.?
		Liberals complained National Guard was picking up trash.
		Here's the issue.
		I'll tell you this.
		I'll speak for Chicago.
		I, as a Chicagoan, want the National Guard in my hometown, particularly in my neighborhood where gang violence and just urban street violence is bad.
		The argument, the play is: if two National Guard are simply unarmed, standing in the park, the gangbangers will not go there because they don't want to pick a fight with the military.
		Now, if it's local police, they don't care because they know the extent of where the police can operate.
		A lot of these gangbangers know they can go to Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa, or St. Louis or whatever, and they operate out of the prisons as it is.
		But everybody, they all know, hey, man, you don't want to, if you go and shake someone down with a gun and you start, you do a drive-by and there's National Guard there, you are going to open up the can of worms.
		And so the idea is just put two National Guard to hang out and they'll avoid the area.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it works.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That does work, but it like D.C. is a different story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the cost?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The cost is you've got federal troops in domestic cities.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And if the federal government goes psycho, you're fucking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, if they do, we'll complain about it when they do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's not the way it works, dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they do, you're done.
unidentified		Could work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And when the Democrats did, are we done?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what are we doing about it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats are trying to put National Guard in all our cities to activate Operation 57 or whatever the Emperor does when he clicks the button and now the Insurrection Act is open and now what he can do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that J.B. Pritzker did deploy the National Guard when crime got bad and affected the wealthy elites in Illinois and Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that Barack Obama actually, I think it was Obama, facilitated the National Guard deployment into Ferguson during the Ferguson riot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		During a riot.
		I get during a riot.
		And in D.C. is cool because it was 1783 when there was a riot in Philly that I think it was Madison, James Madison.
		Someone was like, we need protection for the Capitol.
		We need to protect our capital with federal cops.
		That's why you can do that in D.C.
		And it was like a soft precedent to make people think it was normal to do in other domestic cities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when would it be appropriate for the federal government to deploy any amount of troops, be it lower-level National Guard to higher-level Marines?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If there's a riot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just a riot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If there's something like a riot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if 20 million non-citizens are illegally in our country flying their own flags and just operating illicit businesses, drug trafficking, drug trade, and gang violence?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's acute enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if there's 800 dead?
		What if children are growing up in neighborhoods where they hear gunshots hitting windows and teenagers are getting murdered and doing drugs?
		It's fascinating that if we went back to an older time when there were less people in the United States, no American city in the 1700s would tolerate the amount of crime and violence that we have.
		I mean, they'd go to war over it.
		One Native American coming in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, they'd lynch the criminals back in the day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, look at the, was it 1912 or whatever, that TV show?
		They're in the West, and a guy's accused of being a pickpocket.
		And without evidence, they just hang him on the spot.
		They throw rope over a post, put it on his neck, and yank him up.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But that leads to a really important point that people miss about law enforcement.
		Ultimately, if you're not enforcing the law, not making the streets safe, everybody thinks the police force and the National Guard is there to protect the citizen.
		Ultimately, they're there to protect the criminal.
		Right.
		Because without this enforcement, at some point, the people are going to revolt.
		There's going to be a vigilante recoil.
		And the criminals are going to be hung from lamp posts without a trial, without any kind of due process.
		And you're going to have vigilante justice.
		You're going to have lynchings.
		You're going to have all kinds of mayhem because the government won't do its fundamental duty of protecting the streets.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can see it in England, dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You see it brewing in England right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So there is a problem in your country when you need to send in National Guard over these things.
		And maybe the end result is just we break down and it falls apart.
		I don't know.
		But I will say this.
		We had a culture war debate show live, and we were debating Trump deporting Kilmar Burger-Garcia, an MS-13 gang member who lived in Maryland.
		And of course, the resident liberal who was from New York and on the show was saying, Trump shouldn't be doing this.
		It's wrong.
		And then a Maryland resident came up and says, you don't live here and know what we deal with with MS-13 killing people and drug smuggling, the fear we have, the graffiti that tells us to be afraid.
		And then Trump takes one of these guys and sends them home.
		All he does is send them home.
		And then you say, we should be forced to live this way.
		This is what I can't stand about the whole debate right now on the National Guard issue.
		I understand there are people in Chicago who don't want the National Guard.
		I will happily debate them and say, how about I get National Guard in my neighborhood where my friends agree with this?
		And you don't get the National Guard in your neighborhood.
		And we're good.
		So I told this to Tupisco.
		There was an area in Chicago where I grew up by Midway Airport.
		We had an area called the Leclerc Courts.
		It was predominantly black.
		And it was gangs.
		The Insane Popes was one of the gangs there.
		Gang violence, robbery, muggings, kids joining the gang.
		It was a terrible influence.
		And in my life, I have stories of my friends.
		I'm on the phone with my friend, and he's like, I'm watching someone drag a corpse through the alley.
		The next day on the news, they found a body in a dumpster.
		Friends of mine who died.
		People, like my friend's brother, who was forced to kill people because the gang made him do it when he was 13.
		Because don't worry, you get out of Juvie in five years.
		So the area that was predominantly fomenting this crime was a largely, it was just north of 47th, and it was predominantly black.
		So the city, you know how they dealt with the crime?
		They bulldozed all the houses and kicked everybody out.
		And all the gangbangers and all of these, this criminal element were just moved to other areas in the suburbs.
		So they didn't enforce the law because they struggled with it.
		The police, who I have a certain degree of respect for the Chicago police, but they are a largely corrupt institution.
		You know, you had Burge, I think the guy's name was, who tortured people and electrocuted them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that black ops site, that big building.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's more than one, and they still operate to this day.
		And the problem in my neighborhood was that we would complain to the police about the constant robberies at our park, Vidim Park.
		Google it, lit up.
		You can see where I'm from.
		I live down Laramie.
		Shout out to Jimmy Dore, who's from the same neighborhood, who lived two blocks away from me.
		No joke.
		When I was three years old, Jimmy lived two blocks away from me.
		That's crazy.
		When I found out, he was like, you're from Chicago.
		I'm like, yes, where?
		And I was like, by Vidom Park, my Midway.
		And he goes, no kidding.
		Me too.
		Anyway, I digress.
		You can go look it up.
		The police would tell us, hey, look, man, if we arrest these guys, we're going to get in trouble for being racist.
		Not joking.
		They'd say, we can't be seen to just be arresting black people.
		And we would be like, we don't care if they're black, dude.
		Some of our, like, we have friends who are black.
		That's not the issue.
		We're just asking where's the guy who robbed my friend?
		And they're like, but don't you get it?
		The people who are robbing you and selling drugs are all from the black neighborhood.
		And so they wouldn't do it.
		They wouldn't do it.
		So what did the city do?
		In 2009, they said, we're going to tear down these old, old, shoddy buildings and rebuild better ones for all of you.
		It'll be temporary.
		It wasn't.
		No, what they really did was they demolished the entire black neighborhood, forcing all of these people into Joliet and other suburbs, where my friends tell me the stories about what's going on now because the crime didn't go away.
		But the city of Chicago is like, why don't we, hey, we fixed it as far as the city's concerned.
		Patrick.
		And so my argument is this.
		When Ian, you from Ohio, tell me that as my friends get shot and my other friends die of heroin overdoses, it is tyranny if we beg for help to stop it.
		I just, I reject that.
		And I say, I'll tell you what, you don't got to have the National Guard in your neighborhood.
		But as a kid, as a kid growing up, when the gangbangers would pull up and roll down their windows, flashing a gun and being like, what you is, boy?
		And then I'd be like, I ain't nothing.
		Leave me alone.
		They'd be like, and then they'd throw up a gang sign and shout at their gang and leave.
		The stories, man, south side of Chicago.
		Everybody knows.
		I would have loved it if there were two National Guard guys that literally just walked up and down Archer every day.
		I'd walk next to them as I went to the park.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You telling me makes me want more vengeance on people.
		I'm a vengeant human.
		I was bullied as a kid and I like to see people hurt for doing hurt.
		So I don't know.
		I feel you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to be practical.
		My issue is there is an emotional component to, I just can't stand these uppity liberals in New York and billionaires like Pritzker.
		Pritzker going on TV saying, Trump should not be sending the National Guard here.
		And I'm like, you fat piece of crap.
		There's a hot dog joint where I grew up, and you can look it up.
		It's called L ⁇ M.
		It's on 47th and Laramie.
		I grew up on 49th and Laramie.
		And we were scared to go there for hot dogs because the windows were bulletproof and there were bullet holes in the window.
		And, you know, look, this is the south side of Chicago.
		I think it's fair to say that life has been worse before in war and in times of crisis and famine.
		I get it.
		But that doesn't mean we don't stop the crime now, especially as people are growing up in these ways.
		Now, I don't.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		What you're saying reminds me of years ago when the federal government, people who don't have skin in the game, the federal government reintroduced the wolf into Idaho.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You know, oh, great.
		Yeah.
		You know, they farmers were like, and we thought, and, and we've got wolves in our area because of it.
		And but our Idaho senator at the time proposed a measure to reintroduce the grizzly into New York State.
		So basically, in an orderly society, everybody should play by the same rules.
		You can't bet with other people's money, other people's lives.
		So if things deteriorate to a certain point where riots are normal, the crime is out of control, and you can have a deadly weekend in Chicago without a riot.
		You know, it's just.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My neighborhood in Chicago was a Democrat up until 2020 when it turned purple and 2024 it turned red.
		This is urban liberal Chicago voted for Donald Trump in my neighborhood.
		And so I talked to my friends, like some of my homies from back home, they work here.
		We hang out.
		And I was literally talking to Andy, who's, we grew up together at Vidim Park by Midway.
		And I mentioned part of the debate after the show ended.
		And he started talking about the suburbs, the gangbangers.
		They moved out.
		They're in the suburbs now.
		And he's like, and I'm like, could you imagine when we were growing up and we were trying to skateboard?
		Literally, that's what we were kids.
		And we'd ride around our skate.
		We'd play with Pokemon cards.
		We would skateboard.
		We'd go to the comic shop.
		And instead of having gaggles of gangbangers mugging us, there were a couple of National Guard just walking down the street.
		Do you think, I was like, would anyone care?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not a single one of these people would have cared if there was a couple National Guard walking down the street.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When I was in South America, I lived in Chile and Santiago.
		And that's the thing in there.
		It's all federal cops.
		So you see federales on the corner just standing there.
		And it is disconcerting in a way that it's like not all law is good.
		And sometimes if the federal government is evil and you need to be able to break their laws in seclusion in your community, and if there's feds everywhere, you can't.
		So that's my concern.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I certainly, this was one thing I brought up in the debate.
		I certainly understand.
		I said, weed as a Schedule I drug seems kind of crazy.
		I'm fairly libertarian, but I think we need cultural solutions.
		I'm more of like a Ron Paul guy.
		Like abortion shouldn't be illegal.
		It should be unthinkable.
		I'll throw it to Wade Stotz, who made the argument, a constitution is what constitutes the people.
		And by the time you get to having to write down what your laws are, your people are already breaking up morally.
		I think the proper way society should function is everyone just agrees abortion is bad.
		So it doesn't need to be on the books.
		Nobody would dare do it.
		Same thing is true for marijuana.
		So I agree that like some dude who's got a small bag of pot going to prison is not helping your society.
		It's not fixing the problem.
		I don't want people going around and smoking pot all the time, which means, and now I'll throw it to Moxie Marlin Spike, who answered the question when I interviewed him 10 years ago or whatever.
		Why is it bad that we have mass surveillance?
		And he said, sometimes we decide as a society that laws need to be repealed.
		Whatever that law may be, it's not the point.
		How do we figure out the law needs to be repealed?
		Prohibition is a good example.
		It's because people were drinking and they recognized they were okay with drinking.
		If the government spied on you 24-7, no one would ever touch alcohol again and alcohol would remain illegal forever.
		Some people may want that to be the case, but the point is to recognize that in a functioning republic, we sometimes say, you know what, that law does need to be changed, but how do you know unless some people sometimes break it?
		So there has to be some tolerance.
		The way I describe protests, for instance, is I say that far-left activists should be allowed to obstruct streets, link arms, and wear the chains or whatever.
		Allowed in the sense that we don't beat them or kill them or throw, like lock them up for life.
		No, no, no.
		When you chain yourself to a door, we tolerate that and say, okay, okay, now we're going to give you a minor charge for disorderly conduct.
		You've crossed the line, but we recognize tolerance for civil disobedience because there needs to be pressure release, otherwise people get violent and then you get shootings and chaos.
		So a Republican system that we have will say, you're not supposed to block the street, but we get what you're doing and we're going to give you a slap on the wrist.
		We get it.
		It happens.
		We'll clear it out and try and be reasonable in your discomfort and your efforts towards assembly and speech.
		We don't want a 1984 society where no one can do anything, can't express themselves at all, and then it ends up with a lunatic just ramming a car into a building.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So I just think about the levels of crime in the United States right now because it's really, we do need to do something, something.
		I just, oh man, well, I'd love to go on to the next, the next story, too.
		I don't know personally, I don't know if National Guard equals solution.
		I don't know if military equals solution necessarily in a domestic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see.
		This is the point I was making.
		Perhaps it just signifies when you get to that point, your society is breaking apart as it is.
		I do think with the, it was funny, another component of the debate was that the population is collapsing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's why crime was down.
		Yeah, that was an interesting point you guys made earlier.
		Oh, one of the reasons why crime has been discussed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so tuberculosis is breaking out in Maine right now.
		And let's actually, you know, let's do an explicit.
		Let me pull this one up.
		This is actually a really important story.
		This has to do with immigration.
		Fox News reports three active tuberculosis cases reported in Maine as deadly disease continues to tick up across the country.
		TB killed around 1.3 million globally in 2022.
		In the last year, I believe there are about 10,400 cases of tuberculosis in the United States.
		That was a high.
		It had been going down after 2011.
		It is now at a considerable high.
		I don't want to say it's a record anything.
		I don't know for sure, but it is very, very high for this country.
		And there's a very obvious reason why tuberculosis is so high right now in the United States.
		Would anyone like to take a meandering guess?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe immune systems being destroyed from the last four years?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Illegal immigrants.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Illegal immigrants.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That may be too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The mass importing of people from third world countries where tuberculosis is more common, as the United States has antibiotics and extremely easy to eradicate.
		Actually, a premise of a House episode we watched recently where this fancy doctor who goes to Africa was like, TB is curable, but we won't give the drugs to these countries.
		In the United States, you walk into the hospital, they hand you a little cup and say, here's your medicine, you'll be fine in no time.
		How is it then that TB is on the rise?
		We imported tons of sick people from the third world.
		Now, here's what gets scarier.
		The rate of increase, the amount of tuberculosis cases should actually be going down, considering fertility is down.
		Another point that was made in the morning debate, that when we say something like, hey, crime is down, the argument from the liberal, crime is down, meaning we've done a good job of stopping violent crime.
		Well, that's a spurious correlation.
		The data suggests many things, one of which is with lower fertility means less young people.
		The population increased only because of net migration from adults.
		Crime is typically perpetrated by young men.
		Mainly older teenage males commit crimes.
		When fertility declines, 20 years from that point, you will have a smaller number of older teenage males, meaning your crime rate will go down.
		It does not actually mean that crime as a percentage has gone down or you've done anything good as a society.
		It actually is bad.
		So when tuberculosis is up, when population is down, it's indicative of a higher rate of transmission, largely among illegal immigrant newcomer population.
		This is really bad for the country.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So we shouldn't do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been playing a bunch of Crusader Kings.
		You guys ever play that game?
		And it's just all about conquest and just ripping people out of their homes.
		You're just a king in the Middle Ages.
		The way you would handle an immigration crisis, I mean, really?
		In 1700, what you would do in 1320?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You play civilization?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		With a sword.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it is all.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the fast way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the ultimate way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I love?
		Civ 7, Civilization 7's bombed.
		And I guess Firaxis is firing tons of people because of how bad the game was.
		I guess it's happened.
		We have a competency crisis in this country.
		But I will say this.
		To anybody who's played the civilization games, notably after, I think, four, when they introduced borders, you played Civ, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All of them except seven.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I haven't played the newest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I ain't going to play it.
		Okay, so anyway, for those that are not familiar, Civilization is a recommendation for all of your children who are old enough to use a computer.
		Keep them off the internet, but civilization is great.
		I say four, where you get Leonard Nimoy reading all those things.
		Four was fantastic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you build a city.
		The game is basically, it starts with a single individual pioneer or settler.
		You build cities, you create your country, and over time, you build a nation, advanced technologically, and there are other nations at war with or allied with.
		The game is civilization.
		It's fun.
		Well, in the game, someone will come to your border and you will then have a meeting with their king.
		And maybe it's Caesar, maybe it's Abraham Lincoln, who knows?
		And they will say, I propose open borders between our peoples.
		And sometimes it's worth doing.
		That means your people can move through their country and explore and their people can move through your country and explore.
		But for anybody who's played the game, the people who developed it understood something.
		You will meet a rival nation on your border.
		They will ask for open borders.
		You will agree.
		And you'll start to notice military, armed individuals from their country come through your country and then kind of just stand there.
		And there's one guy standing like that, they put their military guy near my city, just standing there.
		What's he doing?
		And you'll say, well, I guess we have open borders.
		What's the big deal?
		The next turn, another guy.
		Then there's like seven military units from their country in your country through open borders.
		And you'll send an emissary to their leader and say, what's the big deal?
		And they'll say, hey, we have open borders.
		What's the problem?
		The next turn, they attack you and take over your cities.
		You open your borders.
		Slowly they come in and tell you everything's fine.
		And then once they have critical mass, they say, we're declaring war on you.
		And then they take over your city and you lose your country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Anecdotally.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Civilization.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		One of the games, I think it was Civ 5.
		They made it so when they did do a surprise attack on you, all their units got moved out of your country by default.
		It was super cheap because that's not what happens in real life.
		In real life, they're already here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's the point.
		Yeah.
		It is a really fascinating game where you can take over their country through culture.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a cool thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what America likes to do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and science.
		I like science.
		Science because you can build the best military with the best science.
		You can build the best culture with the best science.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love that game because my strategy was always leave me alone, very libertarian American style.
		And I would mass industry, technological development, mass militarization, but never war.
		And then when the country was stupid enough to declare war, I'd nuke them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The reason I brought up the game, video games in general and games, and just because this is, it's such a traumatic, like it's this experience of this mass migration over the last four years has been such a traumatic on my psyche.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't, I'm constantly thinking about like, how do we deal with it without dragging people out of here, but you have to drag people out.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So northwards of 12 million in Biden's four years north of that, that's six Idahos.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And one Idaho is too many.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can destroy an entire country.
		Like Rome is, not all countries are destroyed by an invasion or a plague.
		Sometimes you're destroyed because the fabric of your society has been distorted to the point of destruction by immigration, rapid immigration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I just want to clarify, it was a joke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Idaho is actually awesome.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fantastic.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Idaho.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Idaho.
		It is.
		I know people who have moved there because it's good family.
		Yeah, Idaho.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I knew it was a joke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's going to be someone out there being like, how dare you, Tim?
		Idaho's great.
		I know.
		Idaho is awesome.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of wide open space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Potatoes.
unidentified		So I'm looking at like, you know, how do we handle now?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, oh, immigrants are coming here and bringing disease to our country now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Handle it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		55 million visa holders.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If they so much as sneeze wrong, they need to go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they don't, a tourist shows up and they're just like, I'm very grateful to see your country.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Out.
		Well, if they don't cover their nose, yes.
		If they sneeze on someone, got to go.
		I mean, look.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll go so far as if my cat sneezes, they're out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
		But look, the point is we need to use every legal means necessary to remove the people that are here illegally.
		And if you have a visa, you are here as a guest.
		So if you break any of our laws, you do anything that is counter to American, that is, that will not benefit America or that will harm America, you just got to go.
		And I've said this a bunch of times, just like we're talking about with Hyundai.
		If people employ illegals, go after the companies.
		The Democrats say that all the time.
		Go after the companies.
		Yes, they're right on that.
		Same thing with people that rent homes or apartments to illegals.
		If you're renting, if you're knowingly renting to illegals, go.
		They lose their property.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They got good skiing in Idaho.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good mountains.
		Do you think that there's like an off-ramp or maybe a better phrase for that?
		Like, is there a dissent after the immigration crisis that we're experiencing right now?
		Like, is there a level of amount of people that have been extricated now that we can stop national emergency ISIS?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I want to see a complete shutdown of all immigration except for 01 visas for the next decade.
unidentified		I think you'd agree with other visas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, so the reason I specify L1s is because they are for people that are a benefit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If we have individuals— I think it's like the K visas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If there are individuals that actually bring a benefit to the United States on an individual level, they can come.
		Their family can't come.
		Maybe a spouse and kids, but granny can't come.
		Cousins can't come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what about someone who is marrying somebody?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the K-1 visa.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		If you're married and your family, your immediate family can come.
		Fiancé.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you're going to get married to someone, they get a K-1 visa.
		They can come and then you get married to them.
		They can be here.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That I think that's fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But brother, there's so many visas.
		I actually, and I agree with what you're saying.
		I just think that for the sake of clarity, we can point out 01 isn't the only visa you would personally approve of.
		There's many of them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my premise is if you are going to come to the United States and bring a specialty skill or something like that, then fine.
		So there probably doesn't need to be as many types of visas.
		You could probably cover that stuff with.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But let's go through this.
		I'd love to go through the nitty-gritty of these visas.
		So tourism visas largely are okay because you're like, you have three months.
		But there's obviously people who seek to overstay and use that illegally.
		Trump has said, we're going to do a fee.
		It's $250 to apply.
		When you leave, you get it back.
		But there's business, B1, business visitors.
		Typically, when someone from like Allied Nations wants to come here for business, they just show up and you have visa on entry.
		Totally fine with it.
		There's student and exchange programs.
		I actually think we should slice those way, way down.
		So that's F, M, and J visas.
		I'm not, I don't really care about having all these Chinese exchange students coming to the United States.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Anyone that's a visitor, they should either get like some like an air tag or an app in their phone so that way the federal government can monitor their location.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're not a citizen, you have the right to privacy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's play that game too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like if you come here on a work visa, then we get to put an ankle monitor on you.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean that figuratively, like we should be able to track.
		Like you do not have the same rights.
		You are a visitor.
		But let me point this out.
		H-1B, everybody knows.
		H2A, gone.
		That is temporary ag workers.
		H-2B, gone, temporary non-ag workers.
		We don't need that.
		H3 trainees, nope.
		H4, dependents of H?
		No way.
		The L1A and the L1B, intra-company transferees, managers, executives, or specialized knowledge.
		I say absolutely not.
		So many of these other countries won't let the so in the United States, a Brazilian can open, can launch a company right now on the internet and then use that company to hire themselves and find a way to migrate here to the United States.
		They don't allow that.
		All these other countries, many of them, don't allow us to send our citizens to their country to be managers.
		So I don't know why we do this.
		Now, there is the O1, extraordinary abilities, 02, support for 01 visa holders, 03, and the dependents of the O1.
		So the O visas we're largely okay with.
		We're talking about like you're a rocket scientist coming here, the staff members of the rocket scientist, Elon Musk or whatever, and the dependents, okay, you can't tell them they can't have their kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually helping sponsor the guy who invented Flash Jewel heating process.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's the P visas, artists, athletes, and performers, and their dependents.
		I'm actually totally fine with that as well.
		The issue there is just it's got to be legitimate, qualifying, and they got to basically pass the test.
		Okay.
		So, which is if someone says I'm an extraordinary athlete, like we're literally talking about a pro basketball, a baseball player from Japan.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Golfers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Golfer, best of the best, world record breaker.
		And they're like, I want to come and play on the American team or golfer.
		I'm totally cool with that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No mariachi bands.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What if it's the best mariachi band?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, mariachi bands are awesome.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They can be, but they can be skilled musicians, but I'm not.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You want to fan one of these American mariachi bands?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then there's the R visa holders.
		Do you know what our visa holder is?
		Religious workers.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Depends on the religion.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Workers.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Missionaries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I'm actually, I say no to this completely because I don't think we should, the government should create a special class for someone on religious grounds to be here.
		You're either here for a legitimate tourism reason, but this argument would be that Muslims can come as missionaries to the United States and their right to be here is simply because they're Muslim.
		I don't care if they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Confucius, Taoist, whatever.
		Like someone being like, I should get to come to your country.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm a Taoist.
		It's like, come on.
		Simply because you believe something?
		No, no, no, no.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You should allow Christian missionaries to come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think, I don't think, as much as I would prefer a Christian missionary over many other missionaries, I don't think simply because you believe in a certain religion, because basically everyone's just going to try and make that argument to gain access.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So, but societies have to make up their mind on stuff.
		Sure.
		And one of the things we could make up our mind on is that Christianity is a blessing to society and other religions aren't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's funny because there are a lot of, I don't know what you'd call it, left-the-left people who also then found Christianity.
		I don't know if I trust them, but I'm not going to blame someone for bettering their life.
		And I personally know people who have been saved by Christianity.
		I personally don't know people whose lives have been damaged by Christianity.
		I've not heard stories like that.
		I know drug addicts and former gang members who, when they came to Christianity, they were saved.
		They live good lives.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The book I did with Christopher Hitchens, the title is, Is Christianity Good for the World?
		And I think the answer is resoundingly yes.
		I happen to believe, I don't want to make a pragmatic argument simply for Christianity because I'm a preacher.
		I want to say we should believe it because it's true, not because it's helpful.
		Because, like you said, people argue lots of self-help things are helpful.
		But basically, you have to, at some point, missionaries are a thing.
		Christianity is a missionary religion.
		If we don't want some country that we have a trade agreement with banning Christian missionaries from America going there, then I don't think we should ban Christian missionaries coming from them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the historical revisionism is interesting.
		And it's funny that Christians allowed it to happen.
		When you hear these stories from the leftist activists about the oppression of the Native Americans and all that stuff, and it's just like, you know, listen, I'm not going to sit here and say that the law of 1600 was something we'd uphold today.
		Okay.
		I mean, bad things happened across the world.
		Wars were bad and people did bad stuff.
		We get it.
		We get it.
		But how are you going to defend child sacrifice rituals and like ripping people's hearts out?
		I'm not saying all Native Americans were bad, but this argument that European Christian colonists were uniquely evil is just like, oh, Spanish.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, the Aztecs were one of the, at least the history tells the story that the Aztecs, who knows what they really were, but the Spanish tell us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've all seen apocalyptic.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		One drinking drink it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You were mentioning sports earlier.
		The Mayans had a game.
		It was not basketball, but it was a ball game.
		And they would play and the losing team would be executed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, I thought that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hey, look, the Romans had the Coliseum.
		We got to go to chat.
		Sorry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was about to talk about Christianity.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No wonder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, we got to go to chats because we went a little chats.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's do this, you guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So smash the like button.
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		It's Friday night.
		It's summertime.
		Everyone's out partying.
		I get it.
		But thank you all for hanging out with us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		65 when we get out of here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		82 coming in, 65 on the way out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		79 degrees right now, bro.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, snap.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, snap.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane H. Wilder says, everyone needs to congratulate Brett Dasevik.
		He and Olivia are getting married this weekend.
		They grew up so fast.
		One minute they're talking about person of interest.
		The next they're getting hitched.
		Congratulations.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Freaking rock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To our very own Brett Dasevik of Pop Culture Crisis getting married has wonderful news.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you've never had a conversation with Brett, you should.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's an excellent conversationalist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Smart feller.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cool guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hops and Bruce is I played drums on a cover of Sweet Home Alabama at a RCC family camp that Doug Wilson sang lead vocals in early 2000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Birmingham, they love the governor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They sure do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What a great song, man.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know, man.
		That Neil Young guy.
		Southern man don't need him around anymore.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's one of my favorite lines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's okay.
		The story was that he wrote a song ragging on the South.
		Is that what it was?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he wrote a song called Southern Man.
unidentified		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And bull whips cracking and everything.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And Leonard Skynyrd gave it right back to him.
unidentified		That's cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we got here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		St. Miles says, Tim, ask your guest about the Bank of America burning in the 60s.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The Bank of America burning in the 60s.
		There were a number of burnings and bombings.
		I don't remember that one.
		There was the Capitol in Washington, D.C., was bombed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was in the 80s, though, wasn't it?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I think it was earlier than that.
		And then my high school in the 60s had an SDS chapter, Students for Democratic Society, which was basically a terrorist organization.
		Yeah, it was a turbulent, it really was a turbulent time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is 1970, February 25, Bank of America branching.
		Is Isla Vista burned?
		It was a big deal, 1970.
		And did it ring a bell to you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Guido.
		He says, my little girl will be 16 tomorrow.
		She helped create an orchestra in our small town.
		She helped me restore her truck and she gives me hope for Gen Z. Happy birthday, Abby.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shout out.
		I am envious.
		I have very few regrets, if any, at all.
		But I wish my wife and I had our kids sooner.
		I wish we were doing family stuff a lot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Everybody says that, and I'm like, yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today, my daughter, it's not the first time, but she was on our Tommy kicking her feet going, da, da, da, da, da.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She got good rhythm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And she's singing.
		We play music for her.
		And last week, she's going, da, da, da, da.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was probably like, I'm like, let's go.
		Two months ago, I think we were all in the car driving, and Allison was driving, and you were in the backseat with the girl.
		And you were singing.
		And then she was like, you were like, da, da, da, da, da.
		She was like, and to the untrained ear, you just think she was making, but I could hear her tone.
		She was mimicking you.
unidentified		Oh, bro.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Brilliant child.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I filmed a video today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She just looked at me and went, and I'm like, this is awesome.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Singing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's just screaming.
		Well, that's what I wake up to.
		She's six and a half months.
		It's just, I wake up to, ah, but now she's, she's vocalized.
		She's been vocalizing a little bit more and more and more.
		It's great.
		So now she says, da, da.
		She had la la la today for the first time.
unidentified		La.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a big.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You may wish that you had started earlier, but it's amazing how fast it goes by.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It goes by really fast.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just because I need, you know, we need someone to do chores.
		It's like, oh, you know what I mean?
		She'd be 16 right now.
		I'd be like, hey, go pick up the mail.
		No, but the time will come.
		The time will come.
		We're excited.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so my recommendation to everybody, and you don't need to hear it from me, but when you can, do what you can, have a family.
		It's fun.
		Colin Christie says, Tim, you're slowly marching back to Christianity, much like this former altar boy marched back to Catholicism this last Palm Sunday.
		You're a good person, my man.
		There have been people who have said, Tim, how come you praise Christianity, but you won't just be a Christian?
		And it's like, I can recognize objective good coming from my friends, the ideas they push, the history of this nation.
		That doesn't mean that I believe.
		And I'm not going to lie to you and pretend to believe because it earns me brownie points.
		Pretty sure if I came out and claimed to be a Christian, I get more followers or something.
		I don't know.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't lie your way into God's good graces.
		So let me offer a definition of what it is to prove something.
		You've proven something, whether it's theological or any other proof, when you have created a moral obligation to agree with it.
		So when someone presents you with the gospel and it would be you committing a sin to say no, that's the point where you need to submit.
		If you're fighting against what you know to be true, then that is the problem.
		But until you know it to be true, it'd be bad to, for political reasons or social reasons, to conform to something that you're not convinced.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For personal gain.
		I'll keep it simple for everybody.
		I believe in God.
		I believe we have purpose.
		I believe that God has a mandate for us and a plan for us.
		But I don't believe the Christian faith base.
		I don't believe the Jewish faith base.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the center of the faith base for Christians is that Jesus rose from the dead.
		If Jesus rose from the dead, everything follows.
		If he didn't, then it doesn't.
		That's the linchpin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say that I am agnostic on the resurrection.
		I don't just, I don't believe it.
		In my mind, I think about it.
		There's a lot of things that I believe and I'm passionate about.
		This is not one of them.
		And I'm not going to lie to people and pretend that I am for the sake of it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But think about this.
		Even the atheist, even the materialistic atheist believes in life from the dead, because for him, everything was once inorganic matter.
		And here we are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are outstretching of piles upon piles of dead.
unidentified		Right.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So Christians are those who believe that life from the dead, God created Adam out of the dust of the ground.
		The atheist believes that evolution, that we evolved out of the primordial goo.
		In both cases, inanimate matter, animate matter.
		Well, Christians are the ones who believe it will happen again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Atheists are wrong.
		I believe atheists are incorrect.
		I believe that even from the most secular of liberal worldviews, the probability based on what we think we know in science today leans towards the existence of God.
		I actually believe it's observable that there is God based on what is observable in the universe and what humans have collected as knowledge already.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lately, but now I'm like, but your perceptions can be flawed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So if everything seems like it's God, it could be a bunch of other stuff that's making it seem like it's God.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The end road of that is you're going to be wind up as a brain in a vat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just you don't have to believe anything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I would put it like one or the other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you believe that science, as we've collected the information and operate upon today, is true, then this predicts the existence of God.
		And there's an elaboration.
		I have arguments with atheists all the time where they say they don't understand.
		I know it's overly simplistic what I'm saying, but the simplest of versions is that life organizes, life creates order within systems of entropy.
		And there's no reason to believe that life is the end-all be-all of the creation of complex systems.
		So whether it be the organization of matter from particles into denser elements or molecules into single-cell, multi-cell, then finally life as we know it on the planet, then the systems that life creates, then the language and the math and the abstract.
		Humans can create order in thought that exists in no tangible reality.
		So this predicts there will be a higher level.
		Mathematically, it makes no sense.
		It's like a Sudoku puzzle.
		We can see that we can't see what's there, but we know that everything's pointing to the existence of a higher form of order.
		This, I think, leads to, gives us at the bare minimum a simple probability of the existence of God.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Probability, probable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that means if you're going to live your life, if you're going to play an EV plus life where you're like, what makes the most sense, the dice roll you'd always want to take is there's a God.
		Now, I actually could argue with someone for, not argue, but I could go into great detail for hours explaining why I believe actually you can calculate to the point where God exists.
		I'm not the first person to come up with this.
		I actually read someone else's thesis where the end result is singularity, is the existence of a supreme power over the universe.
		I think that makes a lot of sense.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And the flip side is if you postulate no God, then you have incoherent, you can't know anything.
		You can't even know that there is no God because it's just the universe is just a blind concourse of atoms cascading down through history.
		And if I took a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper and I shook them up and they both were fizzing over and I said, now which one's winning the debate?
		You would say, well, they're not debating.
		They're just fizzing.
		But if there is no God, all our thoughts are, are what these chemicals do at this temperature and under this pressure.
		And I therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts to be true and therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts are composed of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This predicts a God.
		So I try to explain it.
		Listen.
		If to the atheists and secular liberals out there who say we're just wet robots, your consciousness as a function in the code of the universe is inside of the universe.
		This means the universe has consciousness.
		Okay.
		So there's two things to state there.
		This predicts the existence of higher degrees of consciousness, which isn't necessarily God, but also that if you like, are you familiar with the I believe you're probably familiar with Einsteinian God?
		This is simply that the universe may be God itself.
		God may be the logic and the code of the universe, the logos, whatever it may be.
		Christians, I believe, I want to speak for you, but that we are in the image of God.
		God has a form of man of some sort.
		I believe that God is infinite and infinite, infinite, and we can only perceive a small component within what is possible in our minds.
		But imagine there is a computer that is programmed by a man, and this computer is capable of simulating a universe.
		In Grand Theft Auto, for instance, the people that walk around in this game and say things are not singular and sold entities.
		They are actually the exact same as the brick wall next to them as far as the code is concerned.
		If you are a liberal secular atheist who thinks that we're just wet robots living within the universe, your consciousness is a piece of the universe.
		The universe has consciousness.
		So just start to explore that and take it to its logical conclusions.
		The expansion of life as we know it, humans, we don't believe we're the end-all be-all of consciousness and intelligence.
		So this suggests there is likely a higher degree.
		If you look below us, from ants to microbes to dogs to squirrels, we can see varying degree of consciousness.
		There's no reason to believe that humans are the supreme form of consciousness or conscious entity.
		The universe has consciousness within it.
		We as components of the universe prove that the universe has consciousness and there likely exists higher forms of consciousness than ours.
		If we look at the scale of the fundamental particles as it scales up in physical reality into humans, this predicts it moves towards a singularity, a higher power, above all, and forms of order we can't comprehend.
		Infinity.
		So I'm oversimplifying it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing about agnosticism is it is simple.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		We need someone to play the organ here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I will say this, and we'll get some more super chats in.
		Everything I've stated, this is why I don't follow Christianity or believe in Christ or anything like that.
		None of that predicts the resurrection of a Christ is what I'm describing.
		All I've done is, you know, I had a little bit of theology when I went to Catholic school, learned a bit about what they're saying, read science and quantum physics, read some philosophy, thought about it for a bit, and I was like, now I'm not going to pretend to understand the universe, but certainly all of these pieces together, like a Sudoku puzzle, predict that there is a higher power, or at least the probability lies in the existence of a God.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then if you vape, I was going to say, and then you vape the MT.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I would want to say, and this God is a father.
		And in Francis Schaefer's title of a book, he is there and he is not silent.
		So God is not closed off from us.
		He reveals himself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why I don't like being called a deist.
		People have said, oh, you don't follow Christianity, but you believe in God, so you're a deist.
		But deists believe that God does not intervene.
		I believe God intervenes.
		And I'll say it in the exact same argument I made.
		If there is a higher form of consciousness and being beyond us, we are not the end-all-be-all of consciousness, then our motivations are simplistic relative to the higher form of consciousness, indicating there's going to be a degree of interaction from the higher forms of higher being or ultimate supreme being with the universe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's like, I've been into Taoism lately.
		I think I've always been into Taoism for 20 years or so, and it's the flowing of nature, the way.
		The Tao means the way.
		And I think it's magnetism.
		I think they tapped into the magnetic flow of nature.
		They just didn't know what magnetism was back then.
		And that's where I'm at spiritually is that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are going over.
		I want to grab a couple of the super chats.
		I don't want to leave you guys hanging.
		So let's read this.
		RT says, start a new tradition.
		I'm currently making a baby while watching the show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, holler.
		Turn it up, bruh.
		You hear my voice, baby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Please stop cutting the camera to Ian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's making this difficult.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'll remember.
		It'll get easier in the future.
		Keep watching.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we have a tradition when people's children are being born.
		They'll chat into the show and say, my child is being born right now.
		And we read the chat for them.
		And so new tradition.
		They're going to make it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sorry about that.
unidentified		Serge.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's pretty crazy.
		I mean, someone with so many grandchildren and children certainly understands this.
		But one year ago, my wife was pregnant and she had been pregnant for a few months.
		And so the baby has been here, despite her only being about six months old.
		She's been here much longer than that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like 15 months old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As far as we are concerned, with the conversations we've had and the way we've acted, the baby has been here the moment my wife.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If the baby had a neural implant from conception, you would know that it was a living creature communicating with you for like two months.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ian, all you have to do is put your hand on the pregnant woman's belly and you will know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll feel it moving.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But once you have a conversation with it, you'll realize, oh, it doesn't start being alive at nine months.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know that it's alive long before.
		And probably conscious well before 100%.
		It's reactive.
		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab one more.
		We got Big Lean.
		He says, for every illegal you find at your company, you're fined $1 million.
		Every illegal from your country we find increased the terrifying you by 0.1%.
		I will say this.
		If the illegal immigrant defrauded the employer, I don't blame the employer.
		If someone went to apply for a job and they had an ID and said, I am a citizen of this country and I'm legally allowed to work here, I don't blame the employer for that because there's limited, they're defrauding you, they're tricking you.
		If the employer is proven to be complicit in the hiring of illegal immigrants, then 100% yes.
		But it is Friday night.
		So we're going to wrap up there, my friend.
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		Doug, do you want to shout anything out?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You can find what I'm doing at DougWills.com.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Pretty much everything I'm involved with, New St. Andrews College, Logos School, Canon Press, can be found there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Great to meet you, man.
		Thanks for coming, dude.
		That was awesome.
		Hey, maybe one day in the future we'll go deeper on theology.
		That was super neat.
		I met Ian Crossland.
		What's that?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Great being here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks, dude.
		You guys can follow me at Ian Crossland.
		It's a pleasure to be part of this.
		So thank you for coming.
		I'll see you later.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am Phil that remains on Twix.
		The band is all that remains.
		You can check out the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
		Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all.
		We might have some clips on the weekend.
		I'm not entirely.
		We definitely have clips throughout the weekend.

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