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Trump To Deploy National Guard To Portland, Antifa Has Been WIPED OUT | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump is considering deploying the National Guard into Portland to end 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots.
		Did you guys know that that there's been this ongoing unrest in Portland?
		Well, I mean, you may have, but you don't really care, because the truth is it's not really that influential or impactful.
		And uh I realized something today.
		When we are talking about, you know, what's the news?
		The top story on Daily Mail earlier was that tuberculosis is on the rise.
		And that's that's bad.
		But it's like a local story out of Maine, and I'm like, wow, is it the best they got?
		Why does it feel like the news is so slow?
		Something seems off.
		Now I've been directly involved in on the ground news for about 15 years, and then I realized this is the first time in my career riot season is just not there.
		And and we talked a little bit about it as we were we're getting ready and doing pre-production like, well, there was the LA stuff.
		Yeah, and then Trump sent in the military.
		And now there's nothing.
		And we're into September with kids back in school at college.
		And every year that I have been doing this, there has been a riot season until now.
		Why is that?
		Is it that sending in the National Guard and the Marines was extremely effective?
		Or as many who are sitting here pointing out, maybe that once USAID money was gone, the NGOs and organizations that were funding and organizing these riots and protests are gone.
		So no one's doing anything anymore.
		Thus, it's a slow new season.
		But with all that being said, Trump is still deploying uh deploying National Guard potentially Chicago and Portland.
		I think it's working.
		I think it's working.
		So we'll talk about that.
		Then we do have some other big news.
		Speaker Johnson said Trump's an FBI informant.
		Yeah.
		He said on the issue of Epstein.
		Trump was an Epstein uh FBI informant.
		Which is interesting because maybe that was a slip-up he shouldn't have said.
		Maybe the issue Trump is concerned about.
		And I'm not saying it's definitive, but could it be that it these documents will reveal Trump has been secretly working with the FBI for decades and snitching on powerful individuals.
		Could that be really, really bad for him and his business deals and the Trump organization?
		Maybe.
		We don't know for sure.
		But we will talk about that.
		And oh boy, there was one of the biggest ice raids ever on a on a Hyundai factory.
		Guys, 475 illegals arrested.
		Koreans.
		I knew it.
		These are illegal immigrant Koreans building cars in this country.
		I knew it.
		I've been saying this.
		Anyway, we'll talk about that.
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	You know, it's gonna be uh it's it's gonna be a good night.
	We've got a great guest joining us, and there's a lot more to talk about than just the news.
	We're having a great debate this morning about the National Guard, but we're joined by Doug Wilson.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I'm a pastor from North Idaho, and I was here to speak at NatCon, and we have a church plant in DC.
		I'll be preaching there on Sunday and in between times.
		We thought we'd come up here and visit you all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were having a really interesting discussion this morning about the National Guard deployment.
		We're having a debate with this liberal guy and the issue of Christian nationalism and theocracy came up.
		So I think a discussion of what this country should do, where we're going.
		I thought I think it'll be interesting.
		So it's it's great to have you.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian is hanging out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I am, man.
		This is so cool.
		I've been thinking a lot about this too, because I'm sort of been lately like Americanism's kind of like the new religion.
		It's like um like after Christianity, it turned we we kept some of the virtues and we got rid of some of the sins like pride and but it's very interesting how they they're so connected, you know, Christianity and being an American.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Great conversation.
		Good to see you.
		Doug, and I'm about to tweet it out.
		We also got Phil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everybody.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's get into it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's let's go for the news, my friends.
		We've got this from the post-millennial.
		Trump considers deploying National Guard to Portland after 80 days of terrorist anti-ICE riots.
		Quote, these are paid terrorists.
		If we go to Portland, we're going to wipe them out.
		It's a bold statement, but there is something interesting in this.
		Even though they've been ongoing for 80 days, nobody really cares because they're not doing anything.
		I mean, there was that one video where the local resident that black woman was was upset saying they're banging pots and pans.
		But a bunch of, you know, like a couple dozen leftists banging pots and pants is a local news issue.
		It's it's it's not widespread national protests.
		I'm gonna go ahead and say, I think Trump sending an ICE, shutting down USAID and deploying deploying the National Guard into the LA riots has basically shut the left up.
		And I don't know, maybe it's the calm before the storm, but it feels like Antifa is gone.
		It's just it's just gone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And so are the Proud Boys only it's sort of the fear of the proud the whole fear of like domestic terrorism is kind of gone.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's more about illegal immigration and and the domestic terrorism that could come from something like that, like an Iranian, you know, sleeper cell or something like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that does that qualify as domestic if it's someone's Iran that comes in illegal or that had come in illegally a couple years back.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are they funded by Iran at American citizens?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that that counts as as domestic.
		But to your point, the I don't know that the uh everything going on with the Proud Boys has anything to do with the administration.
		I think the Proud Boys are actually reactionaries, they're a reaction to all the stuff that was going on with Antifa.
		I mean, Antifa was really out of hand.
		It wasn't just the summer of love, that was kind of like the the apex of it.
		But you know, they had been going after Ben Shapiro and going after Milo in 2015, 2016.
		There were people showing up.
		That was when Punchanazi was such a prevalent phrase that you heard on the left.
		It was like, you know, go go out there and make these people stop talking and shut them up.
		And that was when the the conversation about the freedom of speech, like whether it was something that the United States is worth, you know, the United States should be protecting.
		You know, whether it was worth it or not, because the argument from the left was always, oh, there's all these vulnerable communities and all these poor people are getting harmed by by people speaking and having these sharing these bad thoughts.
		So I I don't think that I don't think that Antifa is or I'm sorry, I I don't think that that the Proud Boys have much to do with it, because like I said, they were a reaction to, you know, six, seven years of Antifa literally going out and causing massive problems all over the country.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		One of the things that's important to remember here, and what I think is behind this is in Ecclesiastes it says where justice is not speedily executed upon the criminal, there the heart of man is filled to do evil.
		In other words, deterrence works.
		Strength works.
		If if Trump says I'm not gonna put up with this nonsense, and we're gonna send to the National Guard, and the and in uh Washington, DC, and the crime rate plummets, people notice, right?
		And uh Portland and Seattle, I'm that's out in my neck of the woods.
		Portland's just a day's drive away.
		Seattle is just five hours away.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The out west, the idea of close is hilarious.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's close, it's only a day's drive.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's just a day's drive.
		Yeah, sorry about that.
		Um so the the blue state, the blue city governors have been basically making their cities unlivable.
		Uh down downtown Seattle and particularly downtown Portland are just unlivable.
		And so uh, and it's not just Antifa, it's not just the activists, it's also the homeless and the just the lack of any kind of societal discipline.
		And Trump is simply saying we're not gonna put up with it anymore.
		And surprise, deterrence works.
		If you don't have the funding from USAID, and bad things are going to happen to you if you start throwing bricks through the windows, then look.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious about the you mentioned USAID.
		What is you know, what is your opinion about how much USAID had uh had been influencing the protests and and all of the things that were going on?
		Because to be honest with you, and the reason I say this is like before before Trump, right, before 2016, 2015, 2016, I knew there were people that would protest.
		I mean, obviously there was the Michael Brown protest in Ferguson and all the all the riots and and that.
		But I don't think that there was as much pushback on just the right more so broadly, right?
		Like I you didn't see people going after speakers on college campuses.
		You didn't see people going after um, you know, after after anyone that was considered conservative.
		Do you think that the USAID money and and influence do you think that that was a major factor in what was going on then?
		Or do you think that that was that it's just a coincidence that after USAID has been kind of shut down that the No, I think it's a major play.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I think it has been a major player um funding all kinds of different activism.
		So sometimes when things were calmer, they would they would fund AstroTurf protests and that sort of thing.
		Um but not violent.
		Uh but then the violent protests when you when something happens and all of a sudden pallets of bricks are dropped off.
		I mean, somebody's funding that.
		Uh there's there's a uh follow it's a follow the money thing.
		Always follow the money.
		And so I think that it it was uh was a major player, and you cut the supply line, and one of the principles of war is you cut the supply lines, and I think what that's what Trump has done is he's cut the supply line.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, with uh I agree with you about harsh cracking down on crime right away, otherwise it gets out of hand.
		And I thought the summer of love they called it those riots that just kind of got out of control.
		And then three days later and no National Guard presence, I'm like first day I was working with Tim and I was like, where's the National Guard, bro?
		What the fuck's going on?
		And uh it took a while, and we saw the response to that.
		But the problem here that I I'm having internally is that this doesn't seem like an acute problem.
		This isn't a riot that needs to be put down.
		It's not like an acute issue that needs to be stomped down by the by the National Guard.
		It's like chronic crime that's like a forever problem.
		What's temporary sending the National Guard to cities other than DC?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		DC they have jurisdiction, but like it's he's talking about the attacks on ice, the ICE um the the ICE agents who are uh arresting illegals being attacked.
		Um so he's not I don't think he's trying to fix crime generally.
		Um he may have been in with DC.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so you're saying his the intention for sending Marines or National Guard is it Marines and National Guard?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that what's being sent?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so the the Marines that were deployed in LA, they were only allowed to protect federal buildings.
		They can't enforce domestic laws.
		So the strategy that Trump has largely employed was by having them there, criminals are scared because if you engage military, they can respond, they can defend themselves.
		So the idea is basically like, hey, don't mess around while these guys are here.
		Did they give an like an end date for taking the feds out, or is it just like until violent violence decreases uh there it's this is interesting because I think recently there was a stay on the restrictions Trump is allowed to keep operating the National Guard in California.
		Uh I think it worked.
		I think uh we're dealing with an unprecedented, I shouldn't say unprecedented, but a generational calm, at least in my my adult life.
		I mean, in my in my teen years, you had obviously the you you had the the riots and the protests around George W. Bush with Obama, you got uh Occupy.
		Uh even Obama's second term, you still had protests and riots.
		You had the the BLM emerged during Obama's presidency, and then in 2014 escalating into, of course, the Ferguson riots.
		Then we got Friday Gray Baltimore.
		It never stopped.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Until this year.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		2014.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Until this year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When the It's gotta be USAID.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		USAID money came into to domestic issues was 2014.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it was like during Vietnam and stuff, they were doing that with whatever organization they were using at the time.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		When I was a teenager, it was the 68 Detroit riots.
unidentified		So it was like real quick, let me ask you, uh, how how old are you?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		72.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you you're you've you've you've seen a lot in the political space.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When I'm a teenager in the 2000s, we had all the anti war protests.
		So the moment I'm, you know, I I'm growing up and I'm starting to see the political uh stuff.
		I I remember 2000 with the George Bush Al Gore stuff, but I didn't really pay attention to it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was watching Simpson's reruns on Fox, you know, at 10 o'clock or whatever.
		And then they'd mention we're gonna tonight on 11 o'clock news, and I'm like, I don't know.
		Then I'm like 17, 18, and people are marching in the streets.
		From this point, there's always been a protest and riot season and activism.
		Was it like this before the 2000s?
		Were w were there periods where there nobody was riding, there was no protests?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there were there were periods that there were riot seasons, right?
		Like in 68, there was a there'd be periodic outbursts.
		Generally back then it was uh racial.
unidentified		But it was like every summer there was some kind of No, not every summer.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So it'd be um there'd be periods of calm and then there'd be pent-up energy and there'd be uh uh uh but you mean like years of calm.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		There'd be years of calm, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I I guess my point is uh in in my whole life, we haven't had that until now.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which is why I'm like something feels weird.
		I was I went to the Daily Mail today, I was reading the news, and their top story said outbreak of the world's deadliest disease, and I was like, the the picture they used was just a picture of a bay, and I was like, okay, this must be the slowest news day in a long time.
		And it was a report about an increase in tuberculosis, which is kind of serious, but really in that's got kind of a local story in Maine.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even Trump talking about the National Guard in Portland over ICE, this is a really small local protest.
		And so I was, you know, I was talking to Boys about talking to my wife about it.
		I'm like, this is like the first summer of my life where there's not been mass riots.
		That's crazy.
		What's going on?
		It's gotta be USAID.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Uh Ian, you you're you mentioned like 2014 or whatever.
		That does coincide with the end of the or with the uh Smith Modernization Act, which we've talked about, you know, the act that allowed it, the the modernization act allowed uh State Department to disseminate pro basically propaganda for the to the American people.
		And that was in the I believe it was the 2013 NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act.
		So I don't know if the USAID money was being, I don't have evidence that it was, but it is a coincidence that at the same, you know, right around the same time that the Smith Want Modernization Act was signed into law, and then you saw this uptick of all this, you know, essentially, you know, tumult in the United States from the left.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Also keep in mind that the um the liberal progressive mind doesn't didn't flip a switch where it's violent all of us all of a sudden.
		They have to work themselves up to it.
		They have so Thomas Sowell has the subtitle of one of his books is um Vision of the Anointed, and the subtitle is self-congratulation as the basis for social policy.
		Um liberals, progressives like to think of themselves as the civilized people in the room, the moral people in the room, the intelligent people in the room.
		And USI USAID uh presented itself as foreign aid, you know, aid for programs overseas.
		We're gonna help child, we're gonna help the children, we're gonna build democracy, we're gonna do all these um things full of sweetness and light.
		But and it it became violent by degrees.
		It's not something you just you don't go out to save the world, join the Peace Corps, and then overnight you turn into a a monster.
		That has that has to happen slowly.
		It has to be a process of corruption and uh like intellectual self-deception.
		And I I believe that we got to this period of long chain of riots uh where the they talked themselves into believing they really were saving democracy, and it was the it was that famous uh the equivalent of that general statement of the Vietnam War, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.
		We we the liberals think they've gotten to the point where they believe they have to destroy democracy in order to save it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I I prefer the more uh contemporary We Did It Patrick, uh for those that aren't familiar, it is this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We did it, Patrick, we saved the city, and it is uh SpongeBob and Patrick in a city that's on fire and everything's being destroyed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No one's fighting anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right, exactly.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		We did it, Patrick.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was I didn't I never heard that before about the Vietnam uh ethos.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They were like, Was that like a government thing they had to say, or was that just a couple of things?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		No, that was a famous quote from a general.
		They had obliterated a village, and he said, Well, we had to destroy the village in order to save it.
		And every okay, everybody sees on that.
		And and I think that the progressives have gotten to the point where they they sincerely believe that if they fight to overturn what the people all voted for, and you know, they voted Trump in.
		He's doing exactly what he said he was gonna do.
		Um, well, that's obviously anti-democratic because they define democracy as getting their way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I had a friend, a very close friend, who didn't like Trump 2018, 2019, it might even be tw around 2019.
		And he said it's okay to use evil to defeat evil.
		And I was like, doesn't that make you evil?
		Isn't that the point?
		Is like you don't use evil, you don't let yourself become that.
unidentified		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it was just so shocking.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's like one of my best friends for 30 years for 40 years at that point, and it was so shocking to hear that come out of his mouth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I I don't I don't know if I should just be in a really good mood.
		Because I was saying this like a month ago or so, uh a month or so ago.
		When I was younger, my attitude was very much people care too much about sports.
		They would rather watch the baseball game than care about the war and what's going on in this world, and you know, I'm protesting, I'm angry, and I'm like, you mean to tell me that Barack Obama's blowing up kids and you'd rather watch a football game.
		And then I realized when everyone started caring more about politics than sports, there's a lot of stupid people who wield power in very dangerous ways.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like what you wish for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people need to get back to caring about sports.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people tend to then only a ball is involved.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And they treat politics like sports.
		A lot of people do.
		A lot of people they've called the left and the right, like the the teams, like their two teams playing for the win.
		And it's like now we're sitting here on top of the hill that we feel like we've won, and it's like, what did what is winning?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't make it it means I'm not worried about going outside and having someone molotov my car.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's less stressful to make it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But there's still serious problems.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like there's still it's significantly less in the United States, at least in the United States.
		And I now grant that if you're gonna go ahead and expand your your the context to the whole world, there's always bad stuff going on somewhere in the world that you can point to and say, oh, things aren't perfect.
		But in the United States, like the fact that there are not, you know, riots in every city that we haven't had massive riots, that stuff, even if it doesn't affect us as individuals, um, it affects a lot of individuals.
		Like if you're you know, if you own a business and someone throws a Molotov cocktail through your window, or even just a rock through your window.
		Like that's a huge hassle.
		That sucks, you know, and that's that affects a lot of people.
		You don't want that stuff in your society at all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I've been uh uh you know, I'll there's a lot of people kind of freaking out because views are way down across the board across a bunch of different podcasts, revenue is on the decline.
		It's it's summer, ad rates are down, it's kind of normal.
		But it is a it is an unusually low interest right now.
		There's very little news to talk about Congress.
		Even when Congress is in session, there's not a lot going on.
		Like even the Epstein stuff is like, we get it, you know what I mean?
		Like they come back from recess, and then here we are, the discharge petition and all that stuff.
		And I've I've actually been uh a fairly optimistic.
		Um we're we're working out a bunch of projects.
		We're working on uh uh uh other news project talking about mini documentaries.
		I launched a new channel at Tim Pool where uh it's kind of just an opportunity to do other content outside of this kind of this culture war that we've been entrenched in.
		And um the culture war show debate show we're doing is is more evergreen political debates.
		We're actually talking with some networks about doing full seasons and getting funding, and I'm like, man, it's actually a great opportunity for business development.
		It's new and exciting, and I don't have to worry about far leftist smashing things and you know, I like kind of seems like we at least have 90% of the battlefield at this point, and the left has just totally been washed out.
		I mean, Cracker Barrel, Bud Light, Target, uh uh even Hooters is trying to rebrand to be family friendly now.
		Did you guys see that story?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, what happened?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're changing they're getting uh good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, yeah, Hooters announced that they're gonna do a rebrand to try and be more of a family-friendly location, and I'm like, change your name.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Or make a full owl.
		Like for gonna be a good one.
		I mean it is an owl.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		With bigger eyes, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, uh you know, there's a there's a story we have pulled up that we'll get to in a little bit, uh, about how Gen Z men don't believe in gender equality, whatever that means.
		They believe more in gender roles.
		Young men are skewing more religious, they're more likely to be conservative.
		This shift, I think, is resulting like we You know, I'll put it this way.
		My prediction was first, because of the low birth rates of the 2000s and the financial crisis, that uh we were going to one, we're gonna have a population cultural crisis.
		I believe that's going to happen.
		But another component of that that I've been talking about for years is that it was largely liberals who weren't having kids and religious conservatives were.
		That means do the math.
		If liberals don't have kids and conservatives do, give it twenty years, and you've got a generation that is more likely to be conservative and religious.
		And I think that's what we're seeing.
		And I think one of the reasons, not just the deployment of troops, but one of the reasons why riot season may be simmering down and why it's probably gonna go away, there aren't enough children of leftist ideology anymore.
		They you know, people tell me, yeah, but the universities are indoctrinating conservatives' children.
		Yes, but that is fleeting.
		Uh parents will always have more influence than universities.
		Some kids from conservative families will go leftist, but it's not a guarantee.
		Now, if you're born to a purple haired pair of moms, or I should say if you're born, you know, surrogacy or whatever to two dads or whatever, you're likely going to you're more likely to hold that ideology to be leftist.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		On the college thing, keep in mind that the colleges across the country are about to go off a demographic cliff.
		Yeah.
		Because and a number of them are going to go under.
		So the the model of everybody and his dog go to college is not sustainable to use the term from uh from the left.
		And uh so you're not gonna have as many kids to indoctrinate anymore.
		Uh what you're saying is very true in my experience.
		The liberals have 1.7 children so they can have something to put into daycare.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And in the church that I pastor, um, it's four, five, six, seven kids are normal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's it's w for out, you know, you're you described yourself, uh do you describe yourself as Christian nationalists?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's way better for you than you realize.
		When you look at the fertility rates among uh younger millennials and Gen Z, which is the the principal uh um fertility years for young women, it is estimated between 0.3 and 0.8 among uh in general.
		Now, this is of course because liberals have none and conservatives have one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's worth pointing out too um political affiliation is actually pretty heritable.
		Like if you have if you're ca if you're a conservative, you're likely to have kids that are conservative.
		They might rebel when they're young, but by the time they reach adulthood, they're probably going to be similar political.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick to your point, when you're saying you're seeing like four and five kids, yeah, the the parents are probably what in their like early 30s?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Uh the 20s, actually, some of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Uh 20s and 30s.
		So I'm I've got three kids.
		I have 18 grandkids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I've got four great grandchildren.
unidentified		Wow.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And one more great grandchild on the way.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So my wife and I are just a humble couple, and we have multiple descendants, and my my kids, one kid has five, another kid has five, the other has eight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're how old is your oldest great grandchild?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		My oldest great grandchild is two.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		We were having a conversation about this.
		Um, there's a viral social media post where someone said, it was someone posted, my grandfather gifted me his PlayStation One.
		What do you think about these games?
		Do you have any recommendations?
		And then someone responded with, Your grandfather, is this a rage bait?
		And this because like you're trying you're intentionally trying to antagonize the millennials or whatever.
		And uh the person responded with, my father was twenty-eight when he got the the PlayStation uh one when it came out.
		He had his first he my dad was born, uh uh my dad was eight years old when my grandfather got this.
		He had my dad at 20, my dad had me at 20, I'm now 18, and my grandfather is 40 years older than me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Which was like totally normal until eighty years ago or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if you go back a hundred, two hundred years, it was not uncommon for a grandparent to live with their great great grandchild.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because if you if you're going on an average of like twenty or so years, you start early.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're you're 20 of your first kid, you're 40 your first grandkid, 60 your first great grandkid, by the time you're 80, your great great grandchild is there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking about life extension and how it might be possible for people to live till they're 200, and then all of a sudden you're gonna be the same biological age as your great great great great grandchild, and you're both gonna look at each other like you're both 30 year olds with healthy genetics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That movie with um Justin Timberlake and uh Olivia Wilde.
		I didn't see that everybody stops aging at 30 or something.
		Is the time where they have one of the worst movies I've ever seen, by the way, but the idea was that Once you once once you invent genetic immortality, they had to create a way to facilitate dying, and so time is money and it's on your arm, and the movie's really bad, but it's an interesting idea.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So jumping back to the point you made about uh the uh Gen Z becoming more religious, more conservative.
		Uh one of the things I like to say uh observe is that in the long run, stupidity never works.
		And there um human beings have a need for the transcendent.
		You you can't treat human society like we're all rats in a maze, and there is nothing above the maze.
		Uh uh it says in Ecclesiastes again, God has put eternity in our hearts.
		Uh we want to matter.
		We want to mean something.
		Yep.
		And you can't have your meaning assigned to you by Congress or by the media.
		That that's not sufficient.
		That's gonna that's gonna collapse under it any weight you try to put on it.
		Uh and that that means there's a religious hunger that people have, and if you you can stifle it for a time, but we're in the middle of a massive recoil.
		People are saying I need something more I need something more than this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I I hate to uh bring it up now for the third night in a row, but I commented on a new song by the singer Haley Williams.
		She was the paramour singer, she put out an album, solo album, and in the song she put out, there's a line saying, I'm going on a paraphrase.
		She's like, I'm going on 37, and I have no idea what the ever living F I'm doing here.
		Does anyone know if this is normal?
		And it's fascinating to hear that's like a it's like um someone is similar age to me, mid, you know, I'm 39, she's going on 37.
		And I'm my response just it's not normal.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Throughout human history, for thousands of years, everybody had a purpose.
		They had a mandate, they knew what they were doing.
		You did not have such widespread nihilism and listlessness.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Someone today I saw a video, they were like, your purpose actually is the way you make other people feel when you do what you love.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was kind of nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I feel like there for the secular atheists, your purpose is to create, to organize, to to to to uh uh to work towards order.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But but the thing that that I would add to that, all this is good, but you have to have someone that's outside the human condition who approves of it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You can't just say we're bits of protoplasm, we're just flatsum and jetsum on the ocean of being.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean that's a good way to put it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lots of and jetsum on the ocean of being.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, uh essentially the argument that you're talking about is is you know, without some kind of foundation, then life has no meaning, right?
		Like if without God or or without a spiritual anchor, then you're then there is no meaning to life.
		And people can say, well, I have this meaning and I have that meaning, but if your meaning is all subjective and there's no rock that it's based on, or no serious foundation, then your subjective meaning doesn't mean anything to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We we we do I really want to get to this next story about the absolute thing, but I want to make one more quick point on uh uh I say it all the time, I'm not a Christian, um, but my view of divine mandate is the sim as as simplistic as simple as I can put it, which doesn't really get to the context.
		No one says create order, build, grow, or quite simply be fruitful and multiply.
		But there's more than just be fruitful and multiply.
		There is be good stewards of the earth, protect others, and stop evil.
		And evil, overly simplified is it is efforts towards destruction and chaos.
		And when you took it when when you look at the leftist and liberal worldview over over at least my lifetime, they are agents of chaos.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're the joker.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Push back against entropy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh they they are the agents of entropy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They they they seek to dismantle, destroy, and disrupt.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		It says in in Proverbs chapter 8, Lady Wisdom is talking in Proverbs 8.
		And she says, All who hate me love death.
		And and this basically the whole progressive element is a death wish.
		They won they want things to die, they want economies to die, they want babies to die, babies in the womb to die, they want marriage to die, they want men and women and their identity as men and women, they want all that to die.
		They want it all to wither and turn brown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh and let me let me add this.
		I know that there's going to be liberals who say that's ridiculous.
		I don't want anyone to die.
		I would never think that.
		Let's just step outside of the the personal feelings on the matter and take a look at the consequences of action.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The consequences of the modern progressive worldview is death, destruction, and chaos.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just uh it's just listen, this this PBD, Petra Bet David, surrounded by 20 anti-capitalists was was so great because you you see them espousing an ideology where if you literally just follow the logical steps of what they're proposing, it is death, destruction, and chaos.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When they say communism, uh ca a cashless, classless society, what they're saying is you will live the way I demand it or else.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And and the ethos they espouse is this surface layer that when you actually ask them the questions of what does it mean and how do you achieve this, they end up basically saying, I guess we have to have the killing fields again.
		We we know the results of that ideology and where it leads to.
		It is chaos, destruction, and disorder.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Communism killed a hundred million people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I I I choose order over chaos, but the problem with just order is like I agree that people need a hire some something other than beyond, and but then like where do they get that from?
		Do they get it from the media?
		Does is it the media that tells them?
		And then I've start thinking like, what is the media, man?
		Media is books and television, it's whatever the information is delivered on.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I'm a preacher, so I'm gonna save the Bible.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I don't say God God did not leave us in the dark.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I I the Bible also is a piece of media.
		This is what's been going on with my mind, and it's like they tell me this is like I get morals and things from movies and television.
		I can learn from stories, but if a piece of media tells me this is true, I need to do research.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What what do you what do you classify?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How are you classifying the Bible as media basically?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's just a book.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Book is like the one of the oldest forms of media.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But no, but he's not wrong.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, but the reason I say that is because like would stories that are handed down be considered media.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And the reason I ask that is because obviously the at least the first well, the most of the Bible, not all, not the new testament so much, but the first part of the Bible, the first half of the Bible, the old testament, um, not half, the old testament, was actually stories that were handed down verbally before people were writing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And they were really like whether or not you believe in God and you believe in the literal nature of the stories in the Bible, they really do lay out a a way to live your life that will produce mostly good results for the most people if you live your life that way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I think the story, like the morals from the Bible are key.
		And a lot of even in movies, sometimes you'll get it, you'll see a movie and you'll be like, I'm gonna change my life.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But people won't do it if I if I get up in my own name and say, hey, my good advice, I'm I'm older guy.
		Here, why don't you live in a decent way?
		That's that's not authoritative enough.
		So I'm just an old geezer, I'm a boomer, and I'm telling you to shape up.
		Uh who needs that who needs that?
		Well, there's a difference between a preacher get uh like a modernist liberal preacher getting up in the pulpit and saying, It seems to me, or on the other hand, or at the end of the day, and a conservative preacher who says stands up and says, Thus saith the Lord, the uh the Lord God Almighty who made heaven and earth, this is how he wants you to live.
		And then a smart kid is gonna say, How do you how do we know that?
		And I'd say, Well, I believe the Bible is inspired by God, because God who made heaven and earth did not leave us abandoned in this awful world.
		The this this world is a place of where that can go to destruction, chaos, and all the rest of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I actually believe it's objective that uh when you study enough about the exit the the nature of existence, the things that humans universally uh agree upon and find to be good.
		What I've stated, and I got the you know, it's funny is the most pushback I get on the statement is actually coming from Christians because I suppose it is trying to like create a apply like a Christian uh moral worldview to secularism, whatever.
		But my argument is when you take a look at the history of the world and the religions of the world and the civilizations of the world, pretty sure all the people here would agree we have the best one, uh, be it wealth access, the expansion of rights, and it was all built on a Christian moral tradition.
		Well, all I can say for now is I certainly don't think we found the end all be all of truth in the universe.
		Christians, you know, maybe you you found a component of it.
		My argument is as far as I can see right now, based on what we know, there are many religions that are destructive, chaotic, and evil and uh hate each other and commit acts of violence, or promote behaviors that are destructive to life, like cousin marriage, for instance, which science has shown us already is really, really bad.
		Then you take a look at the Christian moral tradition, the nations born upon it.
		And they're too nice.
		They they they they've been very forgiving and welcoming and open.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's a sort of like subservience built into it, I think, that needs to be shattered for the Christian to wake awaken.
		Like your lord, that that met that term, because your king was your lord, and I feel like the Roman wanted you to call him Lord, and they would be like, bow down, say my words, call me Lord, and it's the guy standing up there reading the text.
		And like you want to you want people to be like Jesus.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You want them to stand up and be leaders and for their community and heal people and what what I would say uh, you know, to the point I was making previously is that there are religions today that say believe or die.
		Claim it's true or else.
		And that's not what we have in Christianity.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In fact, Christians are too forgiving to the evil.
		And this my my criticism of of the Christians in the United States is that this was a Christian dominated nation in the 50s.
		I mean it's 98% or whatever, and that's been declining because Christians don't beat people and force them and scream at them, even at the height of the of the power in the United States.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The besetting sin of evangelical Christians is that they're so sweet that diabetics can't be friends with them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why is from your case?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think it is fast I'm sorry, just real quick, it's fascinating how the left paints Christian Christians in this country as like an evil, fascistic, authoritarian, you know, the handmaid's tale.
		And I'm like, real quick.
		If that were true, they never would have given up the power they had in the majority, and they would have entrenched those laws.
		They would have entrenched their faith and religion in the Constitution and the government, and they did not do that.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		What happened the reason to answer your question?
		What happens is when you are young, lean, and hungry, you're tough, and you make your money, and you've, you know, in the business sense.
		And then you get uh complacent.
		You know, things get are nice.
		And it's the difficult uh difficult times, hard men, hard men create good times, good times create soft men.
		And in Deuteronomy, it says Jeshuan waxed fat and kicked.
		So what happens is uh the evangelical Christianity was a victim of its own success.
		It helped create a very stable society, one of the most productive societies, and they got complacent and lazy.
		And I think you're exactly right, didn't defend what they ought to have defended.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this story.
		We'll move on from here.
		I enjoy it.
		We've got this story from the Daily Mail.
		President Trump and FBI informants.
		Speaker Mike Johnson may have just spilt the beans as to why Trump is so concerned about this Epstein story.
		Super quiet.
unidentified		Hold on.
		He has never into is the hopes that the Democrats are using to try to attack him.
		He has never said or suggested or implied.
		I've talked to him about this many times, many times.
		It's been misrepresented.
		He's not saying that what Epstein did is a hoax.
		It's a terrible, unspeakable evil.
		He believes that himself.
		When he first heard the rumor, he kicked him out of Maravago.
		He was an FBI informant to try to take the his this stuff down.
		The president knows and has great sympathy for the women who've suffered these unspeakable arms.
		It's detestable to him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He and I have spoken about this.
		Now there's a couple theories on this.
		One is that Mike Johnson lets slip this statement to try and protect Trump's reputation.
		There's also the you know, basically, like, oh, did you know he was an FBI informant?
		Stopping it.
		That's why.
		Or I think there's a strong possibility here.
		I don't know for sure.
		I'm not saying I trust Trump on any of this stuff.
		Elon says he's in the files, whatever.
		Let's let's get the files and figure it out.
		But let's at least entertain.
		Did Speaker Mike Johnson maybe accidentally just slip up that Trump was an FBI informant?
		And the reason why Trump doesn't want the documents released is that they're going to show that Trump was snitching on powerful people.
		That's prominent, wealthy individuals doing untoward things, and the documents are going to show that Donald Trump was a snitch.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Here's the here's the argument that I don't know, obviously.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But the argument against that would be if there was material in the Epstein files that would be damaging to Donald Trump and his business relationships, it would have been out by now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats would have gotten them with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If it was if it was im implicative of Trump, if it if if if the documents show that Trump was doing bad things to children and underage girls, they'd have released it.
		But if the documents show that Trump was working with law enforcement to stop this, that's not damaging to Trump's reputation among his voters.
		It's damaging to Trump's reputation among powerful elites he needs to do deals with.
		So the Democrats might be thinking it's not it's it's it's gonna help Trump.
		If we leak files showing that Trump stopped Epstein, people are gonna cheer for him.
		Trump may be saying, if they find out that I ran it on Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, and I was the one actually spying on him or wore a wire or did who knows what?
		These people aren't gonna want to do deals with his business.
		If Trump was snitching on prominent world leaders, I'm not saying he did.
		I'm not saying I believe that's the case.
		But it it could be an explanation.
		Trump was a snitch.
		He like I'm gonna put it this way.
		I'm gonna paint Trump in the worst possible light in this regard.
		Trump only cared about himself.
		He only cared about his organization.
		When he heard about what Epstein was doing, he said, This is exposure I don't need.
		And when the FBI came to him about Epstein and says, I'll do whatever you want, I'll help you out.
		And they say, wear a wire, give us a list of names.
		What if Trump gave like gave uh ledgers from his club to the FBI?
		What's gonna happen to Mar-a-Lago when all of the people who spend their 20 grand, what I think it's like 200 grand to sign up or something, maybe I'm wrong, but it's like 20 grand a year or something.
		What's gonna happen when a bunch of these people find out that their names and private information were handed over to the feds as part of a criminal investigation in Epstein or to illicit activities?
		What if Trump was informing more than just Epstein?
		What if Trump was feeding the FBI information on tons of cases about prominent powerful elites?
		That would be extremely bad for Trump's business and his dealings with powerful elites to so much so that he'd be like, we can't release this stuff.
		It would destroy my family's business, that my legacy.
		If people find out that I was basically a spy for the federal government against powerful elites, the populace, his voter base might be like, wow, Trump was actually trying to stop bad people.
		That's not what the powerful people are gonna think, though.
		They're gonna think, destroy this guy, I want revenge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know how true this is.
		I'm interested in finding out more, but I will say this is actually more bel it's more believable that he was an FBI informant than that he was a KGB informant.
		Like it was asserted by what's his name?
		So Jonathan Shake.
		Yeah, Jonathan Shade.
		So I I think that that and and also it it it would be a good thing because it would prove that he's more patriotic than Jonathan Chate as well.
		Um yeah, I don't I mean, I don't know that he is, obviously, and I'm I want to see more information.
		Uh you know, there was uh there's a tweet going around that was I forget the guy's name, but he was he now that this has come out, there's more information kind of trickling out.
		People are saying, yes, Donald Trump was an FBI informant.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Is Johnson been asked about the comment?
		Has there been a follow-up?
		Hey, what did you mean by that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this actually just came out a couple hours ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if there's been enough.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right after he says the word informant, look at his eyes, he like his eyes get real wide and he blinks.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then a couple seconds later, oh, there's this camera.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me play, let me play this video for you guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Listen to this.
unidentified		You actually try to press up on Trump, but you could never get to him.
salvatore gravano ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Because he had ex-FBI agents all around him.
salvatore gravano ▲ ● ▼		All the time.
		And I tried a couple of times to press him and make arrangements where I could work with him and and earn what him.
		I did that with other big contractors.
		I had the power of the unions.
		I could do all kinds of little things, but I couldn't get to him.
		He wouldn't bite.
		He just wouldn't bite.
		He he didn't want to do anything like that.
		And there was layers of people in the middle.
		One of my guys said, we'll go up the office.
		I said, Well, go up to the office.
		Everybody around him is an ex-FBI agent.
		We'll go up the office, we'll get cuffed, and we'll go right to prison.
unidentified		Wow.
salvatore gravano ▲ ● ▼		So forget about Trump.
		He's a legitimate guy.
		He don't want to do it.
		Forget about Trump.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And for context for context, that's that's Sammy the Bull Gravano.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So he's a fairly well-known organized crime guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if what if a component of Trump's uh acrimony is is his anger is that he spent a lot of time thinking that he was cooperating with the feds, that he was in their good graces, and then when they betrayed him and went after him, he took it very personal.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, I well, firstly, so much weird stuff.
		I when when he visited or someone visited Ghilaine Max, who was basically the ringleader of the whole Epstein, you call it the Maxwell files, is what it should be called.
		It's it's her running this thing.
		She had Jeff put her in a minimum security prison, and then a month later she says Trump never did anything toward.
		I'm like, all right, that smells.
		So I'm like, maybe Trump was hooking up with underage girls, and that's why it's why all of a sudden he's like, it's a hoax.
		But I Think your conspiracy crazy theory might be more realistic that he because he's such an ordered candidate.
		He's such like a law and order guy that he would have worked with the feds, like happy to.
		Because he might have gone to them.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Because if he was doing business doing dirty work with underage girls, the Democrats had access to that for years.
		And they could destroy him.
		And they didn't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so now it's the why is Trump freaking out over this.
		The Democrats didn't release it, and you know they would have.
		They falsely accused him of rape in New York, civil fraud.
		They tried arresting him.
		They literally arrested him, tried convicting him several times.
		They'd have taken any opportunity.
		I actually, I'm not saying I know for sure.
		I don't know if it's my my theory.
		I'm just saying, if this is true, there probably is a higher probability that Trump's a snitch.
		And I'm saying that intentionally.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It makes me love him more if he if he complied and worked with the FBI on getting Epstein thrown away.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a good thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not just Epstein.
		Prominent, powerful elites, like you know, he looked when he's saying Trump was surrounded by ex-FBI guys.
		How does Trump know the ex-FBI guys?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And he was so famous in the 80s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who in his circle is like, I can get you connected with guys who were in the world.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But a lot would ride on the powerful elites.
		What what were they doing?
		And was it really bad?
		You know, if if it was Epstein level bad deeds, then that's not gonna hurt him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How cool would it be if Trump was an informant for the FBI for a long time?
		Like actually saying, listen, you know, I'm gonna do my family business.
		Anywhere I can help you, I'll give you information.
		So with all his foreign business dealings, the feds were like, we want information.
		These guys are like, I'll help you out.
		I love this country.
		And then in his dealings, he discovered Hillary Clinton was a crook.
		She was doing untoward things with the Clinton Foundation, and he thought, I better run for office and put a stop to this.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What what if Trump's whole thing was he stumbled?
		I'm just like, what a great movie it would be if like Trump was just a business guy who was an informant and he accidentally walks into the wrong room at the wrong time and sees them all shredding documents, and then this triggers the movement.
		I have to I have to save this country.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And then he rides down the escalator.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The feds came and they're like, There's only a few good ones of us left, Donald.
		We need you, like the ones he'd been working with in the 90s and the 2000s.
		They're like, the re we've been taking over.
		We need you to run for office.
		You have to save this country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is another conspiracy that's been around for a while, and that it that is uh Trump is deep state.
		And uh you know, it was funny we talked about this over the election.
		There's a conspiracy theory that uh I love this one, it's my favorite.
		In the late 2010s, or I'm sorry, in the late 2000s, you saw the rise of Alex Jones, who's getting bigger and bigger and more prominent, more popular, and he got very, very big in the 2010s.
		And uh the Ron Paul Love Revolution, libertarianism, anti-establishment, anti-war was getting very popular online, which also bubbled up into the Tea Party and Occupy movements.
		So the conspiracy theory goes that the CIA, very, very smart guys with with who plan have plans in place for decades, said, How do we stop this?
		Okay, we're trying to do the stodgy uniparty candidates, the old white guy versus old white guy, but people aren't buying it anymore.
		The 2000 thing was crazy.
		You get Obama.
		They say the deep state goes, we're gonna do Obama, we're gonna the first black president, still got protests after Obama won.
		People were still obsessed.
		Occupy uh upset.
		Occupy Wall Street was during Obama's first term, 2011.
		And so CIA says something's not working, there's a populist uprising happening.
		What do we do?
		Here's the idea.
		We need a popular, we need a popular candidate who can play the villain of the establishment, but who's actually in it the whole time.
		So the conspiracy theory goes that Donald Trump is friends with Hillary Clinton, he's friends of the deep state, and they set him up to make it look like they were attacking him so that the conspiracy theorist anti-war faction would side with Donald Trump like Alex Jones had done.
		Then when he wins, the populist movement gets back behind the person you chose in the first place.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, the controlled opposition essentially, maybe except I feel like he really like Hillary wasn't at the level of the people that Trump was if Trump was working with FBI.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I feel like there are people in the middle that didn't know, and they just got you know rolled.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Entertain this.
		Brian Krasenstein says Mike Johnson just claimed Trump was an FBI informant to help take down Epstein.
		If this is the case, then Trump would be a hero after it's all released in the Epstein Files release the files.
		Interesting.
		When the liberals are saying Trump would be a hero if that were true.
		Interesting.
		I don't I don't think Trump is deep state.
		I don't I I think the simple solution tends to be the correct one.
		I think Donald Trump was an uh was it was an uh outside of the uniparty candidate.
		They didn't think he was gonna win, but he's a celebrity who knows how to who's knows how to sell.
		They stumbled into it, he ended up winning.
		Hillary thought she was gonna win, but Trump squeaked by with three states, getting about 80,000 votes in those states, put him over the edge.
		They got angry, lost their minds and started having a temper tantrum as they do, accusing me of being a spy.
		It bubbled up and escalated to the point where they literally arrested him and tried putting him in jail and stopping him, but then ultimately lost and here we are, and Trump's largely won.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Simple solution.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That Trump had worked with the FBI over Epstein.
		They said this like a couple few months ago, it'd been made pretty clear that he'd already in the past been in contact with the FBI or Epstein.
		Now the word inform it, it's almost semantic.
		Like I he probably feels bad about saying that word because of the the weight of the word.
		But also, you inform on one guy, the FBI's like once you're an FBI informant, you're kind of an FBI informant for life, I think, from what I've heard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He could be lying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		That's that's that's a real simple misstep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He misspoke.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He meant to say that uh everybody knows that Trump had basically not not been an informant, but had given a statement to the FBI.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, if Trump informed on Epstein and a bunch of other billionaires, like good.
		Not necessarily for his businesses, but good.
		Like that's a good I don't know.
		I don't know But then maybe here's the question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, well, the the question I have is um the way that the Trump admin is handling the Epstein thing is is weird because he could just lie.
		You know, when he's sitting at the table and it's like, why does everyone care about this?
		Oh, it's it's all it's a Democrat hoax.
		He could literally just keep saying the things we're finding, we're gonna keep digging, and when it's ready, we'll get it to you.
		I'm sorry it's taking so long, but we don't want the bad guys to get away, so we need to build a sound case.
		And then everyone forgets about it, right?
		I've been saying this since the beginning.
		If Dan Bon Gino came out and said, you know, we're looking at all of these Epstein files, and it's dark stuff.
		Guys, I am not gonna release it before we're ready because the bad guys will get away if we do.
		So it's gonna take time.
		Everyone will forget about it.
		So I'm wondering what the heck is going on behind the scenes.
		Because Trump could just lie and it would go away, but he's not.
		So maybe they're just incompetent.
		I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And like uh, I think most of those files are burned anyway.
		I mean, I keep hearing this from uh people like Mike Benz talks about it.
		Sure, but Mike Cernovich talks about it.
		For sure.
		Like day one, you torch the files uh and then you smash the servers, of course.
		Uh if you're gonna cover up a crime like that, I would think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know, I you know, Mike Cernovich said these documents have been gone for years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		There's no way they held on to any of the incriminating uh evidence but that there's been the that there's still not that Trump's still like it's just a hoax, forget about it, even if the files are gone, like it's just a very weird, very weird left hand doesn't seem to know what the right hand is doing kind of energy right now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or like a scrambling energy.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		It's highly likely that they've been destroyed for years, but then you can't account for why the Trump underlings were overpromising, the Pam Bondi saying they're on my desk, and yeah, that that would be weird.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like were they were they enticed into saying that by someone and then they said it and then realized Yeah, or you were just elected and everybody's giddy and it went to your head and you like the like the adrenaline rush that comes from enticing the press.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What did you guys think about how those women, 100 Epstein survivor women said they were gonna drop all the names?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Why haven't they?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that that's that's what I think.
		If if if they have access to name if they have names to to name, name the names.
		Like the I think that it's BS and I think it's BS specifically because this they're not this isn't new.
		They've had this information for allegedly 20 years or more or whatever.
		If they have this information, why are they sitting on it?
		Yeah, call it.
		They did it go away yesterday, put release the information.
		If you have a list, compile the list and put it, make it public.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they're waiting for Massey's proposal.
		He has a in Congress to get the files released.
		I think he's waiting on three more signatures in order to get it passed.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's no guarantee that he'll ever get those signals.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, I and I will stress information, let put it out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will stress this too.
		Like I do support Massey and Kana's effort so far, but I gotta be honest, the oversight committee and the DOJ have already committed to releasing the files and said they will.
		I don't trust them.
		So that's why I do think what Massey and Rokano do lean towards the good.
		But at the same time, shouldn't you be like, all right, we're gonna Give them a month to put out the files, and if they're not gonna do it, then we're gonna file to be like they said they're gonna do it, they've been putting out files, but we're gonna do this anyway.
		I'm kind of like they just put up 33,000 files, of which I think three to five percent were never before seen.
		So the files, or at least some of them are getting released.
		Wouldn't the reasonable thing be we're gonna we're gonna give them the opportunity to release as they said they are, we're gonna trust that they're gonna do it, benefit of the doubt.
		And then if they don't adhere to a to a time frame, we'll go for a discharge petition.
		My point is just it seems kind of weird to straight go for a discharge petition when they claim they're already working on it and literally just released files.
		It's it seems disingenuous.
		I mean again, I don't trust they're gonna release everything, but the argument is then you you've gotta you gotta let it play out.
		I mean, the uh again, the Epstein story is not going anywhere.
		Right, you know.
		It it it it makes it feel like a stunt.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe maybe it's a response to them uh the binder release that ended up being a nothing, and it's like, all right, that's day one.
		Now day two is another nothing burger.
		Now thirty three thousand files go up and there's like nothing there except for some new stuff that's nothing.
		Well, give us the real deal kind of energy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, for sure.
		That that's why I'm saying I I I do I I lean towards more agreeing with them doing it, but I do think it's fair to question that it's you're gonna have to redact stuff.
		Even even in in the in the in the massey bill, they expect things to be redacted and withheld.
		So what what is what is uh uh do we have reason to believe the oversight committee is literally not doing it?
		I mean they put up thirty three thousand files.
		We got we got a decent amount of new new documents.
		Uh people aren't getting what they want.
		So again, I'll stress I'm I'm I'm begrudgingly saying, well, you know what, they should do it because we just get them released anyway, but isn't there a component where it's just like why don't you wait?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I bet Massey is doing what he thinks his constituents want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's what this is all about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He thinks the people want it, so he's doing he's a vessel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's that's probably right.
		Let's jump to this next story.
		Ladies and gentlemen, the largest ICE arrest raid in history.
		475 workers, and these individuals were from Korea.
		Working in a Hyundai plant, Hyundai and Kia.
		I I never trusted these Koreans.
		You know, you know what I mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Very good at math.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Architecturally, oh yeah, I can I can attest to their math skills.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Their ability to build trebuches uh second to none.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh true.
		It it was funny to hear that there's a lot of I'm Korean, by the way, that's the joke.
		I think everybody knows that.
		I don't know.
		Um, but it is funny to hear that actually there's four hundred and seventy-five Korean workers here illegally.
		Like no one saw that one coming.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		How'd they get here?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Bearing straight.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was like 200 years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The one thing I will say though is um more so well, maybe not more so.
		Let me let me clarify.
		Typically, the illegal immigrants from Asia we see are indentured servants.
		So uh what what you'll get is companies in Southeast Asia will say, We will move you to America and you will owe us $50,000 and have to work for us to pay it back.
		Just general, it's illegal, you can't do this.
		They don't tell you this, right?
		They they don't they don't come and admit to the United States where it's all indentured servitude.
		They keep this on the books in China and Korea.
		So when you a lot of the migrants that you meet working at uh um Asian food restaurants or um like spas and salons, they're indentured servants who have to work for 10 years for a trafficking organization.
		And that's illegal.
		Uh I just don't think that there's a priority to enforce against it.
		Like the no one in government cares.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You think this is that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh sort of the the the interesting thing about the indentured servants is that they're not here illegally.
		The company facilitates their immigration and pays the bills, and then they owe a debt.
		So it's they neglected servitude.
		This is interesting because this is the much more nefarious.
		They brought these people here illicitly to have them build cars.
		That's crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Shut that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and Georgia.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's shut that plant down, expropriate it from Hyundai.
		I mean, it's not gonna Oh, bro.
		It's not gonna blow up Hyundai, the the corporation, but still.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If I were king, I would seize the plant.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'd I'd I'd walk in with Royal Guard and say, let this be known to all who seek to subvert the will of the American people, our our economy, our laws.
		If foreign interests are operating factories with five hundred illegal workers undercutting the American people, we will nationalize it in two seconds.
		Then what I do as king is I would auction it off to American car companies to own the factory.
		I don't I don't want the government to own it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		My j my joke on the riff off that is if I were king, what a glorious three days that would be.
unidentified		Look, whatever's sharp, my friend.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Whatever Donald Trump can do to punish this corporation, he should legal whatever he can legally do, he should do.
		Whether it's expropriation, whether it's tariffs, whether it's, you know, I don't know if you can I don't know what uh latitude the president has, but he should make it painful for Hyundai for having four hundred and whatever, four hundred and seventy-five illegal aliens here in the United States because they facilitate it.
		It's not just that they were, you know, they snuck in.
		These were Korean workers from a Korean company.
		That means the company facilitated them coming in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They sh there should be significant ramifications for Hyundai Corporate.
		Yeah.
		Like maybe, maybe you have maybe you tear it.
		I don't know if you tear off the the company, but I know that there's all kinds of find them.
		Yeah, fine, find the absolute hell out of them.
		There's all kinds of licensing that they have to do to be able to to build a uh you know, a plant of this size in the United States.
		You should go after them in Korea, in South Korea, not just here in the United States.
		Go after them in South Korea for doing this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just to clarify, uh, out of 560 workers, 300 were South Koreans, according to local media.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All of the illegal immigrants that were there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh there were 475 arrests.
		Uh it said of the 560 workers, 300 were South Korean nationals.
		So I think there's two distinct numbers here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		500 total workers, 475 illegal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that means some of the South Koreans may have been legal and many of many of them were not legal.
		But yeah, that's a good point.
		This is the that means the company knew in facilitating and we're talking about 300.
		We're talking 475 illegal.
		That means Shunde knew.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How many other Hyundai plants are there in the United States?
		Bro, just raid on all of them.
		They should be raiding them all tomorrow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because you do have to take it up to corporate.
		You're right.
		Sorry to interrupt.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like this is this is this is something that the corporate structure of Hyundai intentionally did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that meme of the police breaking through the door and then come coming through the ceiling and like stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's what we need.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We we need that at all these these plants.
		You know, we were talking uh earlier in the show about like ice and the protests like disappearing and stuff.
		I'm sorry, National Guard and the protests kind of waning.
		I think ICE is playing a huge role in this.
		It was remarkable when we saw the traffic in LA.
		And they s they the the liberals ran to the high end, they desperately tried to say it's not true, there's still traffic.
		No, traffic in LA was down after the ice raids.
		I I whatever you think.
		We had this debate this morning uh on the on the use of military for law enforcement, and uh Pisco, our resident liberal guy, was arguing that Trump shouldn't do it, it's illegal and military shouldn't be enforced in the law.
		He asked me if I thought they should be uh in California.
		And I said, depends on the circumstances.
		Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
		In this circumstance in California, what were they doing wh when the military was deployed?
		Child slave labor on marijuana farms.
		That's what they were stopping.
		If you go to the average American, I guarantee you nine out of ten times, if you said if there were child slaves on a drug farm, should we send in National Guard, Marines, or military to rescue those kids and shut down the the the production and the and the and the facilities, they're gonna say, yeah, absolutely.
		Yeah, okay, all right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The emotional response is always yes, is always go get 'em.
		Stop it.
		But the you gotta think how that can be twisted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna go ahead and say that in the events child slaves are being forced to uh grow drugs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I don't I I could you could you could you provide for me a hypothetical scenario where I would disagree with stopping that using military force?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If it was another illegal thing other than drugs, maybe that underage people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about a spit.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm trying to think of a similar circumstance in the future that might be replicated and National Guards get sent in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is a drug farm.
		Child slaves are doing the work, and Trump says, I'm gonna use the military to stop this.
		What reason could exist where we'd be like, no, no, no, Trump, don't use the military for this one?
		That's an honest question.
		I mean, come up with any hypothetical you want.
		A giant boulder is dangling over the children with an evil villain saying if you bring the military, I'll cut the rope.
		Well, that's not real, but I'm saying give me a scenario where I, a reasonable person would be like, we better not use the military to stop this child slavering at a drug farm.
		No, I think the reality is 100% of the time, a reasonable person, like anyone here is gonna be like, so child slaves are growing drugs, they have no choice.
		Let's go, let's go rescue them.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		What can't Donald Trump do when he gets Democrats to defend drug cartels, child slavery, um this sort of thing.
		Yeah, it I think it's open and shut.
		The Democrats are underwater on 80-20 issues across the board.
		And this would this was be like a 95-5 issue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, it and and the the five only because some people are uh developmentally disabled.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Was it And own the farms?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is it just an operation where they the National Guard was in and out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they they they went in and basically made arrest of illegals and rescued the children who were working as slaves.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't leave the National Guard is not still present.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, I don't believe at those facilities, but I do believe the National Guard is still present in Canada.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Doing a sting operation with the military on domestic soil is also a risky precedent to set, but if it's a sting operation and you're in and out, that's way different than it's not precedent, it's legal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um there are there are so let's just clarify because this is a debate we're having this morning.
		There are criteria by which Trump can deploy military for domestic law enforcement, it's called the insurrection act.
		In this case, he didn't do it.
		Now, what uh Pisco argued is that Marines were assisting in uh execution of warrants.
		And my argument, and he said, So do you so if it's illegal that Trump deploys the military, is it a good thing?
		And I'm like, sometimes.
		That's just it's it's a ridiculous sophistry to be like, there is we we're absolutists.
		Trump can never do a thing.
		I'm like, dude, in California, there were marijuana farms, children were brought there against their will to work on those farms.
		Yeah, sorry, if the local law enforcement isn't is facilitating like protecting and facilitating this, Gavin Newsom won't do anything about it.
		I think Newsom should be brought to testify before Congress and criminally investigated for what his government did in facilitating child slave labor in his state and protecting against it, or at least being criminally negligent in not rescuing kids that they knew were being held as slaves.
		So when Donald Trump is like, okay, local laws are not being enforced.
		What is my what what authorities do I have?
		You've got federal law enforcement.
		Are they going to be equipped to go in and stop something as dangerous as like cartel child slave labor?
		Maybe Trump said we'll use the National Guard with assistance from the Marines, and I say, good.
		Good.
		If like I I don't care.
		That the people are going to argue, but the precedent of the military, the precedent of the military chopping stopping child slave labor.
		Listen, come to me when Marines are arresting uh a guy in front of an abortion clinic for praying, okay?
		And we'll have a conversation about free speech and the line being crossed.
		But I'm not playing this game where liberals say you are never allowed to stop evil, and we have no choice but to let evil happen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When you say child slaves, or were they like uh illegally brought here?
		Yes and smuggled in and they're just working on a farm and forced by the cartels to work growing jobs.
		You gotta rescue the kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But no notice when Eisenhower sent the National Guard to integrate schools in um Arkansas or Alabama, I forget.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's Montgomery, Alabama.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Um everybody uh all the liberals, progressives, yay, they're not concerned about precedent.
		They're concerned about outcomes.
		If if something advances their agenda, they're for it.
unidentified		Yep.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And if something retards their agenda, they're against it, and it doesn't they don't care about process.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Conservatives should be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree though.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the argument I had with Pisco.
		He I said that I disagree with Trump, he should ban uh TikTok.
		It's uh TikTok's all the the it's already been uh uh uh codified as law and signed into law that TikTok should be banned and Trump is refusing to do it.
		And he said, why are you citing law?
		I thought you said sometimes, I thought you said Trump shouldn't follow the law because it's it's ridiculous sophistry.
		And I said, sometimes.
		In my moral worldview, TikTok is destroying this country, Trump should enforce the ban.
		I'm questioning why Trump is allowing TikTok to remain, and I think it has to do with moneyed interests.
		And it's fascinating to me that when I say Donald Trump has moneyed interests in TikTok, so we'll not ban it despite the law being passed, liberals defend that and say, no, no, TikTok is fine.
		Oh, the point is, I I consider myself, I've said this for 10 years, philosophically anarchist.
		I understand that the only the only laws I can enforce are are the laws that people are willing to enforce.
		I don't believe that the way we should live as a nation is anarchy.
		So that's why I say philosophically, I recognize if you do not use your power, you have none.
		That means if Donald Trump says there are child slaves on a farm in California, and the standard process to end this would be local law enforcement in California putting an end to it.
		We say, did it happen?
		No.
		We move down to the next step.
		Then what do we do?
		The feds get sent in to put an end to it.
		What we get from libertarians, and not the good Mises caucus libertarians, we like those guys.
		But we had a date uh a debate, a date, a debate with a reason magazine Libertarian.
		The conversation was Democrats have illegally and illicitly arrested Trump's lawyers unconstitutionally, tried to stifle his campaign to steal power in the United States.
		What is the remedy?
		And I was told by the libertarian, none.
		Democrats are allowed to be evil, but Republicans can't enforce the law against them because that would create escalation of conflict between political parties.
		So it's you just do nothing.
		And I said, well, then they'll do it again, and the corruption will get worse, and you will live in a corrupt system with tyrants.
		It's like, yeah, well, if Trump starts arresting Democrats for the illegal things they did, that's tear that's tyranny.
		And the liberals say the same thing.
		Listen, I understand there are child slaves on that farm, but it would be illegal to stop it.
		Also, I know that ICE enforcement is legal, and we're going to use Molotov cocktails to stop it despite it being illegal.
		I recognize that only the power only those who are willing to use the power they have have power.
		And I will state it publicly and fairly to everybody.
		I will not defend communists who try to take my free speech when their free speech is taken.
		Okay.
		And I'm not going to sit back and let child ch child slave labor continue.
		And this argument that it may be illegal doesn't fly because y'all Molotov cocktailed cops for years.
		So I don't think you actually care about the law, and you're lying to me, trying to j trying to use our goodwill.
		I know, you know, Doug, you and I, we we agree there should be a law and a mechanism by which law is enforced, so we don't like it if cops are illegally or unjustly arresting people.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They use that against us and say, don't you believe in fair being fair in the constitution and good and and and and good jurisprudence?
		And we say, yes.
		Okay, well, you can't stop the child slave labor.
		I'm sick of it.
		These people are child slaves.
		Okay.
		We we we've we have crossed that line a long time ago.
		And I will I will cherry put the cherry on top, it is not even illegal what Trump is doing.
		He has the authority to send in the Marines and the National Guard, literally whatever he wants.
		But he has to not enforce the law.
		No, no, no, no.
		Trump can send all of the Marines, every single one, right into downtown Chicago.
		They just can't enforce law.
		He can tell them, I need you to go stand in Chicago, and they'll say, okay.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		All I'm doing is standing on the corner.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But if the guy like gets in his face, can they shoot him because he got too close?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, what if the guy's like aggressing on him?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So are you saying if a Marine Marines' life is being threatened, can he disappoint?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or he thinks his life is being threatened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Literally any human in the United States is allowed to do that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Except in like Maryland.
		I was gonna say M16, like it's 1970.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're allowed to carry guns in the United States too, Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you carried an M16, you're not gonna have one of those because they made it illegal.
		But let's say you had a an AR-15 and you were walking around West Virginia and a guy threatened your life or threatened you with great bodily harm, you can defend yourself.
		So my point is I would not be happy if Trump sent all of the Marines into Chicago just to stand there.
		I'd be like, this is a waste of resources.
		It is cluttering things up.
		There's it's good for the economy, I guess.
		They'll buy a lot of hot dogs.
		Chicago, you know, the businesses would be booming.
		There's better ways to go about law enforcement.
		But when they say the the estimate right now is that the Trump administration will send about 80 National Guard into each city.
		80.
		I mean, come on, what is what is that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's his first step.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		What he's doing is he's flying the flag.
		So um so Teddy Roosevelt sent the uh there's a great story about Teddy Roosevelt who sent the great white fleet around the world, and Congress only apportioned enough money to send them halfway there, but he was flying the flag in all these international ports show of strength.
		And so Roosevelt sent the fleet to the other side of the world with half the money, and then told Congress if you want the fleet back, then you're after the money.
		You're gonna have to bring it back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's here's here's the argument.
		Trump wants to send uh the estimate Is about 80 National Guard uh in in 19 cities.
		They will have no law enforcement capability.
		That would require the insurrection act.
		Or there's a there's there's another act, I forgot what it was.
		There's there's two insurrection act allows the military, National Guard, there's a there's another one, I forgot what it's called.
		Uh he's not doing it.
		What do we see in DC?
		Liberals complained the National Guard was picking up trash.
		Here's the issue.
		Gang, I'm I'm telling you this, I'll speak for Chicago.
		I as a as a Chicagoan want the National Guard in my hometown, particularly in my neighborhood where gang violence and and and just urban street violence is bad.
		The argument, the play is if two National Guard are simply unarmed standing in the park, the gangbangers will not go there because they don't want to pick a fight with the military.
		Now, if it's local police, they don't care because they know the extent of where the police can operate.
		A lot of these gangbangers know they can go to Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa or s or St. Louis or whatever, and they and they operate out of the prisons as it is.
		But everybody, they all know, hey man, you don't want to you you if you go and shake someone down with a gun and you start you do a drive-by and there's National Guard there, you are going to uh open up the can of worms.
		And so the the idea is just put two National Guard to hang out and they'll avoid the area.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it works, that does work, but it like at what cost.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, DC's a different story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		DC what's the cost?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The cost is you've got federal troops in domestic cities, and if the federal government goes psycho, you're okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, uh that if they do, we'll complain about it when they do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's not the way it works, dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they do, you're done.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Could work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And and when the Democrats did, are we done?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what are we doing about it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats are trying to put National Guard in all our cities to activate Operation 57 or whatever the Emperor does when he clicks the button, and now the insurrection act is open, and now everybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that J.B. Pritzker did deploy the National Guard when crime got bad and affected the wealthy elites in Illinois and Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that Barack Obama actually, I I think it was Obama facilitated the National Guard deployment into uh Ferguson during the Ferguson riots.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		During a riot.
		I get the during a riot, and in DC is cool because like it was night 1783 when there was a uh a riot in Philly that I think it was Madison, James Madison, someone was like, We need we need low we need protection for the Capitol.
		We need to protect our capital with federal cops.
		That's why you can do that in DC.
		And it was like a soft precedent to make people think it was normal to do in other domestic cities, it's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is the argument so so when when would it be appropriate for the federal government to deploy any amount of troops, be it lower level National Guard to higher level Marines?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like there's a riot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Just a riot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If there's like a something like a riot, what if an extraordinary 20 million non-citizens are uh illegally in our country flying their own flags and uh uh just operating illicit businesses, drug trafficking, drug trade, and gang violence.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's acute enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if there's eight hundred dead?
		What if children are growing up in neighborhoods where they hear gunshots, uh hitter hitting windows and teenagers are getting murdered and doing drugs?
		Like it it's fascinating that if we went back to an older time when there were less people in the United States, no American city in the 1700s would tolerate the the amounts of crime and violence that we have.
		I mean, they would go to war over it.
		One Native American coming in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They lynch the criminals back in the day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They yeah, oh yeah.
		I mean, look at the was it night 1912 or whatever, that uh that that TV show.
		They're in the uh the West, and a guy's accusing me in a pickpocket and without evidence, they just hang him on the spot.
		They throw rope over a post, put it on his neck, and yank him up.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		But that leads to a really important point that people miss about law enforcement.
		Ultimately, if you're if you're not enforcing the law, not guarding making the streets safe, uh, everybody thinks the police force and the National Guard is there to protect the citizen.
		Ultimately, they're there to protect the criminal.
		Right.
		Because with with Oh, in Chicago for sure.
		Yeah, with without this uh enforcement, at some point, the people are gonna revolt.
		There's gonna be a vigilante recoil, and the criminals are going to be hung from lampposts without a trial, without any kind of due process, and what you're gonna have vigilante justice, you're gonna have lynchings, you're gonna have all kinds of mayhem because the government won't do its fundamental duty of protect of protecting the streets.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can see it in England, dude.
		You see it brewing in England right now.
		Indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So King's series on his hands.
		There is a problem in your country when you need to send in National Guard over these things.
		And maybe the end result is just we break down and it falls apart.
		I don't know.
		But I will say this.
		We had a culture war debate show live, and uh uh we were debating the uh uh Trump deporting Kilmar Burger Garcia, an MS 13 gang member who lived in uh Maryland, and of course the resident liberal who was from New York and on the show was saying Trump shouldn't be doing this, it's wrong.
		And then a Maryland resident came up and says, You don't live here and know what we deal with with MS 13 killing people and drug smuggling, the fear we have, the graffiti that tells us to be afraid, and then Trump takes one of these guys and sends them home.
		All he does is send them home, and then you say we should be forced to live this way.
		This is what I can't stand about the whole debate right now on the National Guard issue.
		I understand there are people in Chicago who don't want the National Guard.
		I will happily debate them and say, How about I get National Guard in my neighborhood where my friends agree with this, and you don't get the National Guard in your neighborhood, and we're good.
		So I told this to uh two Pisco.
		There was an area in Chicago where I grew up, uh by Midway Airport.
		We had an area called the LeClair courts.
		It was predominantly black, and it was gangs.
		The insane popes was one of the gangs there.
		Gang violence, robbery, muggings, uh kids joining the gang.
		It was a terrible influence.
		And um, in in my life, I have stories of uh my friends.
		I'm on the phone with my friend, and he's like, I'm watching someone drag a corpse through the alley.
		The next day on the news, they found a body in a dumpster.
		Uh friends of mine who died.
		Uh people uh uh like uh my friend's brother who was forced to kill people because the gang made him do it when he was 13, because don't worry, you get out of juvie in five years.
		So the area that was predominantly fomenting this crime was a largely uh it was it was just north of 47th, and it was predominantly black.
		So the city, you know how they dealt with the crime?
		They bulldozed all the houses and kicked everybody out, and all the gangbangers and all of these this criminal element were just moved to other areas in the suburbs.
		So they didn't enforce the law because they struggled with it.
		The police, who I have a I have I have a certain degree of respect for the Chicago police, but they are a largely corrupt institution.
		Uh they you know, you had um um Burge, I think the guy's name was, who tortured people and electrocuted them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that that black ops site, that big building.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's more than one, and they still operate to this day.
		And the problem in my neighborhood was that when we would we would complain to the police about the constant robberies in our at our park, Vidom Park, Google it, lit up, you can see where I'm where I'm from.
		I lived on Laramie.
		Uh, shout out to um uh Jimmy Dore, who's from the same neighborhood who lived two blocks away from me.
		No joke.
		When I was three years old, Jimmy lived two blocks away from me.
		That's crazy.
		When when I found out he was like, You're from Chicago, I'm like, yes, aware.
		I was like by Venom Park, my midway, and he goes, No kidding, me too.
		Uh anyway, I digress.
		You can go look it up.
		The police would tell us, hey, look, man, if we arrest these guys, we're gonna get in trouble for being racist.
		Not joking.
		They'd say, we can't be seen to just be arresting black people.
		And we would be like, we don't care if they're black, dude.
		Some of our like we have friends who are black.
		That's not the issue.
		We're just asking what's the guy who robbed my friend.
		And they're like, but don't you get it?
		The people who are robbing you and selling drugs are all from the black neighborhood.
		And so they wouldn't do it.
		They wouldn't do it.
		So what did the city do?
		In 2009, they said, We're going to tear down these old, old, shoddy buildings and rebuild better ones for all of you.
		It'll be temporary.
		It wasn't.
		No, what they really did was they demolished the entire black neighborhood, forcing all of these people into Joe Lieton other suburbs, where my friends tell me the stories about what's going on now because the crime didn't go away.
		But the city of Chicago is like, why don't we we hey?
		We fixed it as far as the city's concerned.
unidentified		Patrick.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so my argument is this.
		When Ian, you from Ohio, tell me that as my friends get shot and my other friends die of heroin overdoses, it is tyranny if we beg for help to stop it.
		I I just I reject that.
		And I say, I'll tell you what, you don't gotta have the National Guard in your neighborhood.
		But as a kid, as a kid growing up, when the gangbangers would pull up and roll down their windows, flashing a gun and being like, what you is, boy.
		And then I'd be like, I ain't nothing.
		Leave me alone.
		They'd be like, and then they'd throw up they throw up a gang sign and shout out their gang and leave.
		My uh the the stories, man, south side of Chicago.
		Everybody knows.
		I would have loved it if they were two National Guard guys that literally just walked up and down Archer every day, I'd walk next to them as I went to the park.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me makes me want more vengeance on people.
		I'm a vengeant human.
		I was bullied as a kid, and I like to see people hurt for doing hurt.
		So I don't know.
		I I feel you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to be I'm trying to be practical.
		My my issue is there is an emotional component to I just can't stand these uppity liberals in New York and billionaires like Pritzer.
		Pritzker going on TV saying Trump should not be sending the National Guard here, and I'm like, you fat piece of crap.
		There's a hot dog joint by where I grew up, and you can look it up.
		It's called LM.
		It's on 47th in Laramie.
		I was on four I grew up on 49th in Laramie.
		And we were scared to go there for hot dogs because the windows were bulletproof and there were bullet holes in the window.
		And it and you know, look, this is the South Side of Chicago.
		I I I think it's fair to say that life has been worse before in war and in times of crisis and famine.
		I get it.
		But that doesn't mean we don't stop the crime now, especially as people are growing up in these ways.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Now I don't I think what you're saying reminds me of um years ago when the federal government, people who don't have skin in the game, the federal government reintroduced the wolf into Idaho.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You know, oh great.
		Yeah, thank you, you know, they the farmers were like and we thought and and we've got wolves in our area because of because of it.
		And but our Idaho Senator at the time um proposed a measure to reintroduce the grizzly into New York State.
		So you basically uh in an orderly society, everybody should play by the same rules.
		You you can't bet with other people's money, other people's lives.
		So what if if things deteriorate to a certain point where riots are normal cr the crime is out of control, and you can have uh a deadly weekend in Chicago without a riot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's just my my neighborhood in Chicago was uh Democrat up until 2020 when it turned purple and 2024 it turned red.
		This is urban liberal Chicago voted for Donald Trump in my neighborhood.
		And and so I talked to my friends, like some of my my homies from back home, they work here, we hang out, and I was literally talking to Andy, who's we grew up together at Vidom Park by Midway, and I mentioned part of the debate after the show ended, and he started talking about the suburbs, the gangbangers, they moved out there in the suburbs now, and he's like and I'm like, could you imagine when we were growing up and we were trying to skateboard?
		Literally, that's what we're we were kids, and we'd write around our skate, we play with Pokemon cards, we would skateboard, we'd go to the comic shop, and instead of having gaggles of gangbangers mugging us, there were a couple of National Guards just walking down the street.
		Do you think I was like, would anyone care?
		No, not a single one of these people would would have cared if there was a couple of National Guard walking down the street.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When I was in South America, I lived in Chile and Santiago, and there that's the thing in there, it's all federal cops.
		So you see Federalists on the corner just standing there, and it is disconcerting in a way that it's like not all law is good.
		And sometimes if the federal government is evil and you've you can't you need to be able to break their laws in seclusion in your community, and if there's feds everywhere, you can't.
		So that's my concern.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I I I certainly this was one thing I brought up in the debate.
		I certainly understand.
		I said weed is a schedule one drug seems kind of crazy.
		I'm not I'm I'm uh I'm fairly libertarian, but I don't I think we need cultural solutions.
		I'm I'm I'm over like a Ron Paul guy, like uh he's abortion should be shouldn't be illegal, it should be unthinkable.
		If uh uh I'll throw it to Wade Stotz, who made the argument a constitution is what constitutes the people.
		And by the time you get to having to write down what your laws are, your people are already breaking up morally.
		I think the proper way society should function is just everyone just agrees abortion is bad, so it doesn't need to be on the books.
		Nobody would dare do it.
		Same thing is true for marijuana.
		So I agree that like some dude who's got a small bag of pot going to prison is not helping your society, it's not fixing the problem.
		I don't want people going around and smoking pot all the time, which means uh and I now I'll throw it to Moxie Marlin Spike who may who answered the question why I interviewed him uh 10 years ago or whatever.
		Why is it bad that we have mass surveillance?
		And he said, sometimes we decide as a society that laws need to be repealed.
		Whatever that law may be, it's not the point.
		How do we figure out the law needs to be repealed?
		Uh prohibition is a good example.
		It's because people were drinking and they recognized they were okay with drinking.
		If the government spotted on you 24-7, no one would ever touch alcohol again, and alcohol would remain illegal forever.
		Some people may want that to be the case, but the point is to recognize that in a functioning republic, we sometimes say, you know what, that law does need to be changed, but how do you know unless some people sometimes break it?
		So there has to be some tolerance.
		The way the way I I I I describe protests, for instance, is I say that far left activists should be allowed to obstruct streets, link arms, and you know, wear the chains or whatever.
		Allowed in the sense that we don't beat them or kill them or throw like lock them up for life.
		No, no, no.
		When you chain yourself to a door, we tolerate that and say, okay, okay, now we're going to give you a minor charge for disorderly conduct.
		You've crossed the line, but we recognize tolerance for civil disobedience because there needs to be pressure release, otherwise people get violent, and then you get shootings and and and chaos.
		So a a Republican system that we have will say, you're not supposed to block the street, but we get what you're doing, and we're gonna give you a slap on the wrist.
		We get it.
		It happens.
		We'll clear it out and try and be reasonable in your discomfort and your your efforts towards assembly and speech.
		We don't want a 1984 society where no one can do anything, can't express themselves at all, and then it ends up with a lunatic just ramming a car into a building.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		So I just think about the levels of crime in the United States right now, because it's it really we do need to do something, something.
		I just Oh man.
		Well, I'd love to go on to the next the next story, too.
		I don't know personally, I don't know if National Guard equals solution.
		I don't know if military equals solution necessarily we'll see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It it actually this is the point I was making.
		Perhaps it just signifies when you get to that point, your society is breaking apart as it is.
		I do think with the um uh it was funny, another component of the debate was that the population is collapsing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's why crime was down.
		Yeah, that was an interesting point you guys made earlier.
		Oh, one of the reasons why crime has been displayed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so uh tuberculosis is breaking out in Maine right now.
		And uh let's let's let's actually, you know what, let's do an example.
		I I let me uh let me pull this one up.
		This is actually a really important story.
		Uh this has to do with immigration.
		Fox News reports three active tuberculosis cases reported in Maine as deadly disease continues to tick up across the country.
		Uh TB killed around 1.3 million globally in 2022.
		Uh, as in the last year, I believe there are about 10,000 uh 400 cases of tuberculosis in the United States.
		That was a uh uh uh uh a high.
		Uh it would been going down after 2011.
		It is now at a considerable high.
		I don't want to say it's a record or anything, I don't know for sure, but it is very, very high for this country.
		And there's a very obvious reason why tuberculosis is so high right now in the United States.
		Would anyone like to take a uh meandering guess?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, maybe immune systems being destroyed from the last four years.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, illegal immigrants.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Illegal immigrants.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That maybe too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The mass importing of people from third world countries where tuberculosis is more common, as the United States has antibiotics and extremely easy to eradicate.
		Uh actually a premise of a house episode we watched recently, where this uh fancy doctor who goes to Africa was like, TB is curable, but we won't give the drugs to these countries.
		In the United States, you walk into the hospital, they hand you a little cup and say, Here's your medicine, you'll be fine in no time.
		How is it then that TB is on the rise?
		We imported tons of sick people from the third world.
		Now here's what gets scarier.
		The rate of increase, the amount of tuberculous tuberculosis cases should actually be going down considering fertility is down.
		Another point that was made in the in the morning debate.
		That when we say something like, hey, crime is down, the argument from the liberal crime is down, meaning we've done a good job of stopping violent crime.
		Well, that's a spurious correlation.
		The data suggests many things, one of which is with lower fertility means less young people.
		The population increased only because of net migration from adults.
		Crime is typically perpetrated by young men.
		Uh mainly older teenage males commit crimes.
		When fertility declines, 20 years from that point, you will have a smaller number of older teenage males, meaning your crime rate will go down.
		It does not actually mean that crime as a percentage has gone down or you've done anything good as a society, it actually is bad.
		So when tuberculosis is up, when Population is down, it's indicative of a higher rate of transmission, largely among illegal immigrant newcomer population.
		This is really bad for the country.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So we shouldn't do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been playing a bunch of Crusader kings.
		You guys ever play that game?
		And it's just all about conquest and just just ripping people out of their homes.
		You're just a king in the middle ages.
		The way you would handle an immigration crisis.
		I mean, really?
		It's 1700.
		What you would do in 1320.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You play civilization.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		With a sword.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it is all that's the fast way.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the the ultimate way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I love?
		Uh Civ 7, Civilization 7's bombed.
		And I guess Foraxis is firing tons of people because of how bad the game was.
		I guess it's what happened.
		We have a competency crisis in this country.
		But uh, I will say this.
		To anybody who's played the civilization games, notably after I think four, when they introduced borders.
		You played Civ, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		All of all of them except seven.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I ain't gonna play it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so anyway, uh, for those that are not familiar, Civilization is a recommendation for all of your children who are old enough to use a computer, keep them off the internet, but civilization is great.
		I say four, where you get Leonard Nemo, Leonard Nimoy are reading all those things.
		Four was fantastic.
		So you have what you build a city.
		The game is basically it starts with a single individual pioneer settler.
		You build cities, you create your country, and over time you build a nation, advance technologically, and there are other nations you're rivaling, you're you know, at war with or allied with.
		The game is civilization.
		It's fun.
		Well, in the game, someone will come to your border, and you will then have a meeting with their king, and maybe it's Caesar, maybe it's Abraham Lincoln, who knows?
		And they will say, I propose open borders between our peoples.
		And sometimes it's worth doing.
		That means your people can move through their country and explore, and their people can move through your country and explore.
		But for anybody who's played the game, the people who developed it understood something.
		You will meet a rival nation on your border, they will ask for open borders, you will agree, and you'll start to notice military armed individuals from their country come through your country and then kind of just stand there.
		And there's one guy standing like that that they put their military guy near my city just standing there.
		Uh what's what's he doing?
		And uh you'll say, Well, I guess we have open borders.
		What's the big deal?
		The next turn, another guy.
		Then there's like seven military units from their country in your country through open borders.
		And you'll send an emissary to their leader and say, What's the big deal?
		And they'll say, Hey, we have open borders, what's the problem?
		The next turn they attack you and take over your cities.
		You open your borders, slowly they come in and tell you everything's fine, and then once they have critical mass, they say, uh, we're declaring war on you, and then they take over your city and you lose your country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Anecdotally civilization.
		One of the games, I think it was Civ 5, they made it so when they did do a surprise attack on you, all their units got moved out of your country by default.
		It was super cheap because that's not what happens in real life.
		In real life, they're already here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's the point.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is it is a really fascinating game where you can take over their country through culture.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what America likes to do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and science.
		I like science.
		Science because you can build the best military with the best science.
		You can build the best culture with the best science.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love I love that game because uh my strategy was always leave me alone, very libertarian American style.
		And I would mass industry, technological development, mass militarization, but never war.
		And then when the per when the country was stupid enough to declare war, I'd nuke them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The reason I brought up the game, video games in general and games, and and just because this is it's such a traumatic, like it's this experience of this mass migration over the last four years has been such a traumatic exp on my psyche.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't I'm constantly thinking about like how do we deal with it without dragging people out of here, but you have to drag people out.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So northwards of twelve million in Biden's four years north of that.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		That's six Idahoes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And one Idaho is too many.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can destroy an entire country.
		Like Romans not all countries are destroyed by an invasion or uh a plague.
		Sometimes you're destroyed because the the fabric of your society has been distorted to the point of destruction by immigration, rapid immigration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I just want to clarify it was a joke.
		Idaho's actually awesome.
		Yeah, it's fantastic.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is I know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		I I know I know people who have moved there because it's good family.
		Yeah, I don't think it's great.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		I knew it was a joke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh yeah, yeah.
		There's gonna be someone out there being like, how dare you, Tim?
		I know who's great.
		I know I'm awesome.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of wide open space.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Potatoes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So I I I'm looking at like, you know, how do we how do we handle now?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, oh, immigrants are coming here and bringing disease to our country now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Handle and moving five supporting them.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		55 million visa holders.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They if they if they so much as sneeze wrong, they need to go.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you visa holder.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If they don't have to be a good one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So like a covered a tourist shows up and they're just like, I'm very great to see our country.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Out.
		Well, if they don't cover their nose, yes.
		If they sneeze on someone, gotta go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, I'll go so far as if my cat sneezes, they're out.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
		But look, the point is we need to use every legal means necessary to remove the people that are here illegally.
		And if you have a visa, you are here as a guest.
		So if you break any of our laws, you do anything that is counter to uh American that is that will not benefit America or that will harm America, you just gotta go.
		And I've I've said this a bunch of times, just like we're talking about with Hyundai.
		If people employ illegals, go after the companies.
		The Democrats say that all the time.
		Go after the companies.
		Yes, they're right on that.
		Same thing with people that rent rent homes or apartments to illegals.
		If you're doing if you're renting, if you knowingly renting to illegals, go.
		They lose their property.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They got good skiing in Idaho.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good mountains.
		Do you think that there's like an an off-ramp or maybe a better phrase for that?
		Like, is there a dissent after the immigration crisis that we're experiencing right now?
		Like, is there a level of amount of people that have been extricated now that we can stop national emergency IC?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I want to see a complete shutdown of all immigration except for O one visas for the next decade.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh I I I think I think you'd agree with other visas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So the reason I specify L one O ones is because they are for their four people that are a benefit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If if we have individual, I think it's like the K K visas.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If the if there are individuals that actually bring a benefit to the United States on an individual level, they can come.
		Their family can't come.
		Maybe a spouse and kids, but granny can't come.
		You know, cousins can't come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So so uh like what about someone who is marrying somebody?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the K1 visa.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you're married and your family, your immediate family can come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fiance, so if you're if you're gonna get married to someone, they get a K1 visa, they can come, and then you get married to him and they can be here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that I think is that's fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But but uh brother, there's so many visas.
		I actually and I'm I I I agree with what you're saying.
		I just think that for the sake of clarity, we can point out O one isn't the only visa you would personally approve of.
		There's many of them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		My my yeah, my premise is if you are if you're gonna come to the United States and bring a specialty skill or something like that, then fine.
		So there probably doesn't need to be as many types of visas.
		You could probably cover that stuff with the.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But but let's go through this.
		I I'd love to go through the the nitty-gritty of these visas.
		So uh tourism visas largely are okay because you're like you have three months.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um, but there's obviously people who seek to overstay and and and use that illegally.
		Trump has said, we're gonna do a fee.
		It's two fifty to apply.
		When you leave, you get it back.
		But there's business B1 business uh visitors.
		Typically, when someone from uh uh like Allied Nations want to come here for business, they just show up and you have visa on entry.
		Totally fine with it.
		There's uh student and exchange programs.
		Uh I actually think we should slice those way, way down.
		So that's uh F M and J visas.
		I I'm not I don't really care about having all these Chinese exchange students coming to the United States.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Anyone that's a visitor, they should either get like some like an air tag or an app in their phone so that way the federal government can monitor their location.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're not a citizen, you have the right to privacy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's play that game too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, if you come here on a work visa, then we get to put an ankle monitor on you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean that figuratively, like we should be able to track you like you do not have the same rights, you are a visitor.
		But let me let me point this out.
		H1B, everybody knows.
		H2A, gone.
		That is temporary ag workers.
		H2B, gone.
		Temporary non-ag workers.
		We don't need that.
		H3 trainees, nope.
		H4, dependents of H, no way.
		The L1A and the L1B, intra company transferees, managers, executives, or specialized knowledge.
		I say absolutely not.
		So many of these other countries won't let the so in the United States, a Brazilian can open up can launch a company right now on the internet and then use that company to hire themselves and find a way to migrate here to the United States.
		They don't allow that.
		All these other countries, many of them don't allow us to send our our citizens to their country to be managers.
		So I don't know why we do this.
		Now there is the O1 extraordinary abilities, O2, support for O one visa holders.
		O three and the dependence of the of the O one.
		So the O visas we're largely okay with.
		We're talking about like you're a rocket scientist coming here, his the staff members of the rocket scientist, Elon Musk or whatever, and the dependents, okay.
		You you can't tell them they can't have their kids.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm actually helping sponsor the guy who invented flash jewel heating uh process.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's the P visas, artists, athletes, and uh performers, um, and their dependents.
		I'm actually totally fine with that as well.
		The the the issue there is just it's gotta be legitimate, qualifying, and they gotta basically pass the test.
		Okay.
		So which is if someone says I'm an extraordinary athlete, like we're literally talking about a pro basketball a baseball player from Japan.
		Golfers, golfer, best of the best, world record breaker, and they're like, I want to come and play on the American team or golfer.
		I'm totally cool with that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No mariachi bands.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What if it's the best mariachi band?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, mariachi bands are awesome.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They can be, but they can be skilled musicians, but I'm not a fan of Mariachi.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		American mariachi bands.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Um and then there's the R visa holders.
		Do you know what our visa holder is?
		Religious workers.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Depends on the religion.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Missionaries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I I'm actually uh I I say no to this completely because uh I don't think we should the the government should create a special class for someone on religious grounds to be here.
		You're either here for a legitimate legitimate tourism reason, but th this argument would be that um uh m m Muslims can come as missionaries to the United States, and their right to be here is simply because they're Muslim.
		I don't care if they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Confucius, Daoist, whatever.
		Like someone being like, I should get to come to your country.
		Why?
		I'm a Taoist.
		It's like come on.
		Simply because you believe something you no, no, no, no, no.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You should allow Christian missionaries to come.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I don't think uh as much as I would prefer a Christian missionary over many other missionaries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think simply because you believe in a certain religion, because basically everyone's just gonna try and make that argument to gain access.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		So uh societies have to make up their mind on stuff.
		You know.
		And one of the things we could make up our mind on is that Christianity is a blessing to society and other religions aren't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I I uh it's funny because there are a lot of um I don't know what you'd call it, left the left people who also then found Christianity.
		I don't know if I trust them, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blame someone for bettering their life.
		And I personally know people who have been saved by Christianity.
		I personally don't know people whose lives have been damaged by Christianity.
		I've not heard stories like that.
		These I've I I know drug addicts and former gang members who uh when they when they came to Christianity, they're they were saved.
		They're they're they they live good lives.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The book I did with Christopher Hitchens, uh the title is Is Christianity good for the world?
		And the I think the answer is resoundingly yes.
		I uh happen to believe I don't think I don't want to make a pragmatic argument simply for Christianity, because I won't I'm a preacher, I want to say we should believe it because it's true, not because it's helpful.
		Um because uh like you said, people can argue lots of self-help things are helpful.
		Uh but basically you have to at some point missionaries are a thing.
		Christianity is a missionary religion.
		If we don't want some country that we have a trade agreement with banning Christian missionaries from America going there, then I don't think we should ban Christian missionaries coming from them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the historical revisionism is uh is interesting, and it's funny that Christians allowed it to happen.
		When you hear these stories from the uh the leftist activists about like the oppression of the Native Americans and all that stuff, and it's just like you know, listen, I'm not gonna sit here and say that the law of 1600 was something we'd uphold today, okay?
		I mean, bad things happen across the wars were bad and people did bad stuff, we get it, we get it.
		But how are you gonna defend child sacrifice rituals and be and like ripping people's hearts out?
		I'm not saying all Native Americans were bad, but this this argument that European Christian colonists were uniquely evil is just like, oh Spain, the Aztecs were one of the at least the history tells the story that the Aztecs who knows what they really were, but the Spanish tell us.
unidentified		We've all seen apocalyptic Drinking drank it.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		You were mentioning sports earlier.
		The Mayans had a game it was not basketball, but it was a ball game.
		And they would play uh and the losing team would be executed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know I thought that hey look the Romans at the Coliseum.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We got to we got to go to chat sorry to cut you up Oh I was about to talk about Christianity no wonder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well we gotta we gotta go to chats because we're we went a little bit of chats let's do this you guys smash that smash the like button share the show of course it's Friday night it's summertime everyone's out partying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I get it but thank you all for hanging out with us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		65 when we get out of here 82 coming in 65 on the way out 79 degrees right now bro snap.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh snap all right Shane H. Wilder says everyone needs to congratulate Brett Dasovic he and Olivia are getting married this weekend they grew up so fast.
		One minute they're talking about person of interest, the next they're getting hitched.
		Congratulations.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Freaking rock.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To our very own Brett Daszak of Pop Culture Crisis getting married.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful news.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you've never had a conversation with Brett, you should.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's an excellent conversationalist.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Smart feller.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cool guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hops and Bruce says, I played drums on a cover of Sweet Home Alabama at a RCC family camp that Doug Wilson sang lead vocals in early 2000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Birmingham, they love the governor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They sure do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What a great song, man.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That Neil Young guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Southern man, don't need him around anyhow.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's one of my favorite lines.
		so good uh the the the story was that he he wrote a song Ragging on the South is that what it was yeah he wrote a song called Southern Man and Bull was bull whip's cracking and everything and Leonard Skinnard uh gave it right back to him that's cool.
		Oh man all right what do we got here St. Miles says Tim ask your guest about the Bank of America burning in the 60s the Bank of America burning in the 60s I'm there were a number of burnings and bombings I don't remember that one there was the the Capitol uh in Washington DC was bombed it was in the 80s though wasn't it I think it was earlier than that.
		And then um my high school in this in the 60s had an SDS chapter Students for Democratic Society which was basically a terrorist or organization.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow yeah it was uh it was a turbulent uh it really was a turbulent time this is 1970 February 25 Bank of America branch and is I I La Vista burned it was a big deal 1970 and did it ring a bell to you we got uh Guido he says my little girl will be 16 tomorrow she helped create the uh create an orchestra in our small town she helped me restore her truck and she gives me hope for Gen Z. Happy birthday Abby shout out I I am envious uh
		I have very few regrets, if any at all, but I wish my wife and I had our kids sooner.
		I wish we were doing family stuff a lot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Everybody says that, and I'm like, ah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Today, my daughter's, it's not the first time, but she was on her tummy, kicking her feet, going da-da-da-da-da.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she got good rhythm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And she's singing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We play music for her, and last week she's going da-da-da.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was probably like, two months ago, I think we were in the car driving, Alison was driving and you were in the backseat with the the girl and um you were singing and then she was like you were like dot that dot dot she was like ah and to the untrained ear you just think she was making but I could hear her tone she was mimicking you.
		Oh, bro.
		Brilliant child.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I filmed a video today.
		She just looked at me and went, Ha!
		Ha!
		And I'm like, this is awesome.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		She's singing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's just screaming.
unidentified		Ha!
unidentified		Ha!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I wake up to.
		She's six and a half months.
		It's just I wake up to, Ha!
		Ha!
		But now she's vocalizing.
		She's been vocalizing a little bit more and more and more.
		It's great.
		So now she says, She said, La, la, la today for the first time.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		La.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a big...
		You may wish that you had started earlier, it's amazing how fast it goes by yeah it goes by really fast yeah it's just because I need you know we need someone to do chores it's like oh you know what I mean 16 right now I'd be like hey go pick up the mail nah but the time will come the time will come we're excited all right and so my recommendation to everybody and you don't need to hear it from me but you know when you can do what you can have a family it's fun Colin Christie says,
		Tim, you're slowly marching back to Christianity, much like this former Altar Boy marched back to Catholicism this last Palm Sunday, you're a good person, my man.
		There have been people who have said, Tim, how come you praise Christianity but you won't just be a Christian?
		And it's like I can recognize objective good coming from my friends, the ideas they push, the history of this nation, that doesn't mean that I believe.
		And I'm not going to lie to you and pretend to believe because it earns me brownie points.
		Pretty sure if I came out and claimed to be a Christian, I'd get more followers or something.
		I just I don't know.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can't lie your way into God's good graces.
		Yeah.
		So um let me offer a definition of what it is to prove something.
		You've proven something, whether it's theological or any other proof, when you have created a moral obligation to agree with it.
		So when someone presents you with the gospel and it would be you committing a sin to say no.
		That's the point where you need to submit.
		Um if if you're fighting against what you know to be true, then that is the problem.
		Um but until until you know it to be true, you it'd be bad to for political reasons or social reasons to conform to something that you're not convinced for personal gain.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll I'll keep it simple simple for everybody.
		Uh I believe in God.
		I believe we have purpose.
		I believe that God has a mandate for us and a plan for us, but I don't believe the the uh the Christian faith base.
		I don't believe the Jewish fa Jewish faith base.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Jewish the b the center of the faith base for Christians is that Jesus rose from the dead.
		If if Jesus rose from the dead, everything follows.
		If he didn't, then it doesn't.
		That's the that's the linchpin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I I uh I would say that I am uh agnostic on the resurrection.
		I don't I don't uh it just I don't believe it.
		In in my mind, I think about it, there there are something, some there's a lot of things that I believe and I am passionate about.
		This is not one of them, and I'm not gonna lie to people and pretend that I am for the sake of the but think about this.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Even the atheist, even the materialistic atheist believes in life from the dead, because for him, everything was once inorganic matter.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And here we are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are outstretchings of uh piles upon piles of dead.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So Christians are those who believe that life from the dead, God created Adam out of the dust of the ground.
		The atheist believes that evolution, uh that we evolved out of the primordial goo, but in both cases, inanimate matter, animate matter.
		Well uh Christians are the ones who believe it will happen again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Atheists are wrong.
		Uh I believe atheists are incorrect.
		I believe that uh w uh even from the most secular of liberal worldviews, the if you were uh the probability based on what we think we know in science today, uh leans towards the existence of God.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually believe it's observable that there is God based on what is observable in the universe and what humans have collected as knowledge already.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Lately, but now I'm like, but your perceptions can be flawed.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So like if everything seems like it's God, it could be a bunch of other stuff that's making it seem like that.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		The end ro in road of that is you're gonna be wind up as a brain in a vat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just you don't have to believe in anything.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's but I would put it like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you believe that science, as we've collected the information and operate upon today is true, then this predicts the existence of God.
		And it's it's there's an elaboration.
		There I I I have arguments with atheists all the time where they say they they they don't understand.
		I know it's overly simplistic what I'm saying.
		But the the simplest of versions is that uh life organizes, life life creates order within systems of entropy, and there is no reason to believe that life is the end all be all of the creation of complex systems.
		So whether it be the organization of matter from particles into denser elements or molecules into single cell, multi-cell, then finally life as we know it on the planet, then the systems that life creates, then the language and the math and the abstract.
		Humans can create order in thought that exists in no tangible reality.
		So this predicts there will be a higher level.
		We don't we mathematically it makes no sense.
		It's like a Sudoku puzzle.
		We can see that the we we can't see what's there, but we know that everything's pointing to the existence of a higher form of order.
		This I think leads to uh gives us at the bare minimum a simple probability of the existence of God.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Probability, probable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that that means if you're going to live your if you're gonna play an E V plus life where you're like, what makes the most sense?
		The the the dice roll you would always want to take is there's a God.
		Now, I actually could argue with someone for not argue, but I could go into great detail for hours explaining why I believe actually you can calculate to the point where God exists.
		I'm not the first person to come up with this.
		I actually read someone else's thesis, where the end result is singularity is the existence of a supreme power uh over the universe.
		I think that makes a lot of sense.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And it the other the flip side is if you postulate no God, then you have incoherent you can't know anything, you can't even know that there is no God.
		Uh because it's just the universe is just a blind concourse of atoms cascading down through history.
		And if I if I took a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper and I shook them up and they both were fizzing over, and I said, now which one's winning the debate you would say, Well, they're not debating, they're just fizzing.
		But if there is no God, all our chem all our thoughts are are what these chemicals do at this temperature and under this pressure.
		And I've therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts to be true, and therefore have no reason to believe my thoughts are composed of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This this predicts a God.
		Yeah, so let me I try to explain it.
		Listen, yeah.
		If if if uh to the atheists and secular liberals out there who say we're just wet robots, yeah, your consciousness as a function in the code of the universe is inside of the universe.
		This means the universe has consciousness.
		Okay.
		So there's two things to state there.
		They're pr this this predicts the existence of higher degrees of consciousness, which isn't necessarily God, but also that if you like.
		Are you familiar with the con I believe you're probably familiar with Einsteinian God?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is simply that the universe may be God itself, God may be the logic and the code of the universe, the logos, whatever it may be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Christians, I I believe I'm not wanna speak for you, but that we are in the image of God, God has a form of man of some sort.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh I believe that God is infinite, uh infinite and infinite, infinite, and uh we can only perceive a a small component within what is possible in our minds.
		But imagine there is a computer that is programmed by a man, and this computer is capable of simulating a universe.
		The in Grand Theft Auto, for instance, the people that walk around in this game and say things are not singular in sold entities.
		They are actually the exact same as the brick wall next to them, as far as the code is concerned.
		If you are a liberal secular atheist who thinks that we're just wet robots living within the universe, your consciousness is a piece of the universe, the universe has consciousness.
		So just start to explore that and take it to its logical conclusions.
		This the the expansion of life as we know it, we don't humans if you we don't believe we're the end all be all of consciousness and intelligence.
		So this suggests there is likely a higher degree.
		Uh if you look below us, from ants to microbes to dogs to squirrels, we can see varying degree of consciousness.
		There's no reason to believe that humans are the supreme form of consciousness or conscious entity.
		The universe has consciousness within it.
		We as components of the universe prove that the universe has consciousness, and there likely exists higher forms of consciousness than ours.
		If we look at the scale of the fundamental particles as it scales up in physical reality into humans, this predicts it moves towards a singularity, a higher power above all, and uh and forms of order we can't comprehend infinity.
		So I I I I'm oversimplifying it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing about agnosticism is it is simple.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		We need someone to play the organ here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I will say this, and we'll get we'll get some more super chats in.
		Everything I've stated, this is why I don't follow Christianity or believe in Christ or anything like that.
		None of that predicts the resurrection of a Christ as it as in as what I'm describing.
		All I've done is, you know, I I had a little bit of theology when I was in, I went to Catholic school, learned a bit about what they're saying, read science and quantum physics, read some philosophy, thought about it for a bit, and I was like, now I'm not gonna pretend to understand the universe, but certainly all of these pieces together, like a Sudoku puzzle, predict that there is a higher power, or at least the probability lies in the existence of a God.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then if you vape, I was gonna say, and then you vape the MT.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		And uh oh well, then I would want to say, and this God is a father, and in Francis Schaefer's title of a book, he is there and he is not silent.
		So God is uh not closed off from us.
		He reveals himself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why I don't like de uh uh be calling being called a deist.
		People have said, oh, you don't follow Christianity, but you believe in God, so you're a deist.
		But deists believe that God does not intervene.
		I believe God intervenes.
		Uh and I'll say it in the exact same argument I made.
		If there is a higher form of consciousness and being beyond us, we are not the end all be all of consciousness, then uh uh our motivations are simplistic relative to the to the higher form of consciousness, indicating there's gonna be a degree of interaction from the higher forms of higher being or ultimate supreme being with the universe.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's like I've been into Taoism lately.
		I think I've always been into Taoism for 20 years or so, and it's the flowing of of nature, the way, the Tao means the way.
		And I think it's magnetism.
		I think they they tapped into the magnetic flow of nature.
		They just didn't know what magnetism was back then, and that's that's where I'm at spiritually, is that we are we're going over I got I want to grab a couple of the super chats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to leave you guys hanging.
		So uh let's read this.
		RT says, start a new tradition.
		I'm currently making a baby while watching the show.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, holler.
		Turn it up, bruh.
		You hear my voice, baby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Please stop cutting the camera to Ian.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's making this difficult.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We'll remember.
		It'll get easier in the future.
		Keep watching.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we have a tradition when people's children are being born, they'll chat into the show and say, my child is being born right now, and and we read the chat for them.
unidentified		And so new tradition, they're gonna make it sorry about that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice job.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's pr it's pretty crazy.
		Um someone with so many grandchildren and children certainly understands this, but um one year ago, my wife was pregnant and she had been pregnant for a few months.
		And so the baby has been here, despite her only being about six months old, she's been here much longer than this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like 15 months old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As far as we are concerned with the conversations we've had and uh the way we've we've acted, the baby has been here the moment my wife.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If the baby had a neural implant from conception, you would know that it was a living creature communicating with you from like two months.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ian, all you have to do is put your hand on the pregnant woman's belly and you will know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll feel it moving.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But once you have a conversation with it, you'll realize, oh, it doesn't start being alive at nine months.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know that it's alive long before nine.
		And probably conscious, well before 100%.
		It's reactive, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab one more.
		We got Big Lean.
		He says, for every illegal you find at your company, you're find one million dollars.
		Every illegal from your from your country we find increase the terrifying you by point one percent.
		I will say this.
		If the illegal immigrant defrauded the employer, I don't blame the employer.
		If someone went to apply for a job and they had an ID and said, I am an employ a citizen of this country and I'm legally allowed to work here, I don't blame the the employer for that because there's limited, they're defrauding you, they're tricking you.
		If the employer is proven to be complicit in the hiring of illegal immigrants, then 100% yes.
		But it is Friday night.
		So we're gonna wrap it up there, my friend.
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		Doug, do you want to shout anything out?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Um you can find what I'm doing at Doug Wills.com.
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Uh pretty much everything I'm involved with, New St. Andrews College, Logos School, Canon Press can be found there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Great to meet you, man.
		Thanks for coming, dude.
		That was awesome.
		Hey, maybe one day in the future we'll go deeper on theology.
		That was super neat.
		I'm at Ian Cross.
		What's that?
douglas wilson ▲ ● ▼		Great being here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks, dude.
		You guys can follow me at Ian Crossland.
		It's a pleasure to be part of this.
		So thank you for coming.
		I'll see you later.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am Phil that remains on Twix.
		The band is all that remains.
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		Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all.
		We might have some clips on the weekend.
		I'm not in time.
		We we definitely have clips up uh throughout the weekend.

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