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The Trump DOJ is planning to ban transgender people from owning guns following the mass shooting in Minneapolis, which has got a lot of people split.
There's, of course, the staunch to a right saying, I don't care, you can't do this.
Conservatives saying, if you're mentally ill, you can't have a gun.
And that is the debate.
However, consider this, my friends.
Will liberals take this to the Supreme Court?
If they do, the Supreme Court will expand gun rights because of liberal arguments.
And if they don't, they abandon the transgender activism.
I think this is a political move by the Trump admin, knowing they're putting Democrats in an impossible situation.
So we're going to talk about that.
And then we got, oh man, probably the craziest story.
El Grito in Chicago, a celebration of Mexican independence has been canceled because Trump is sending in ICE.
Let me just stress that again.
They said they are concerned about the safety of the attendance of Mexican Independence Day ceremonies because of ICE.
So people here illegally celebrating independence for Mexico.
Yeah, that one's pretty funny.
And Donald Trump is going to rename the Pentagon the Department of War.
And then we've got to talk about Graham Linehan in the UK.
We did talk about this a little bit the other day.
For those that aren't familiar, this is a famous comedian.
He made the IT crowd, Father Ted, a couple other shows.
And he's very well known.
He got arrested in the UK for tweets he made in the United States about transgender individuals and activism.
Now, here's something that I had missed initially in the story.
He's not even a British citizen.
He's Irish, and the tweets were made in the United States.
And the UK arrested him in the UK.
So this is crazy.
And now, I'm going to say this, guys.
I honestly, I think we won.
I mean, I know a lot of people don't want to admit it because there's still like some deep state plays, but I'm sitting here on Instagram.
And Instagram is recommending these videos with millions of views.
And it's just AI-generated videos of people making racial slurs and like outright racial humor.
And I'm just thinking to myself, how is Instagram allowing this right now?
I mean, we have the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction.
Now we got another story.
David Pacman, prominent liberal, he left the left.
He did.
I mean, he's like playing it lukewarm, saying he's only been somewhat red-pilled, but he's outright saying, like, there's, we're not part of the save movement.
These purity tests, they don't actually want to work and a win.
And I'm just thinking to myself, like, wow, when David Pacman is pulling an Anna Kasparian, Anna Kasparian already pulled an Anna Kasparian, which is a mini Dave Rubin.
How do they win the midterms when they're losing their prominent personalities?
I think, man, I think we really crushed them in this regard.
But we're going to talk about all that and a lot more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Connor Tomlinson.
connor tomlinson
Hello, sir.
Good to be back.
Well, functioning country out from under the iron curtain of the UK.
tim pool
Man, they arrested a foreign national comedian celebrity in your country.
You guys are nuts.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, I'm sure we're going to go through plenty of that, including Nigel Farage, the impending next prime minister of the UK, testifying before Congress this week as well.
tim pool
I mean, you think he'll be the prime minister?
connor tomlinson
Current polling suggests it.
Wow.
He might get knocked off course in terms of policy if he strays leftward.
However, it looks like he's got a once-in-a-generation ability to disrupt the Uni Party.
tim pool
So, well, who are you?
connor tomlinson
What do you do?
I am the host of Thomason Talks on YouTube.
I'm a senior contributor to Courage Media.
I co-host deprogrammed at New Culture Forum and I tweet at at con underscore Tomlinson.
And I tweet nothing on behalf of India, unlike all of your conservative influences.
tim pool
That's another big story we're going to be talking about.
Tons of prominent personalities on the right, all tweeting in favor of stopping.
They want the Trump admin to not tariff India.
And some of them deleted these tweets.
It appears that they are paid on behalf of India to lobby for India.
I say ban them all, but we'll talk about that.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Producer Tate.
tate brown
What's up, guys?
Tate Brown here.
I'm a little upset I didn't get a recommendation from India.
I mean, I've been known to knock back some butter chicken every once in a while.
So the fact that I didn't get an offer, it's a little disappointing.
tim pool
I think Butter Chicken is British, actually.
tate brown
Yeah, it could be, but I don't know.
tim pool
Chicken Tikka Masala is British, isn't it?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but we have the recipe.
They can leave.
tim pool
So good.
Perfect.
We actually, we got Indian food.
This is the important thing to understand, guys.
Orange chicken, American.
It's true.
Chicken tikka masala, Scottish, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's Scottish.
connor tomlinson
Glad you and your wife?
India.
tim pool
Yeah, Glasgow.
Is that what it was?
tate brown
Yeah, Glasgow, yeah.
It's a great city.
Fantastic city.
tim pool
I heard the Scots invented fried chicken.
connor tomlinson
That wouldn't surprise me.
They've been to Mars balls.
Yeah, they fry.
tate brown
They'll fry.
It's like we get so much flack for frying stuff.
Then you go to Scotland.
It's like a nightmare.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but that's because you guys do it in seed oils and give yourselves cancer.
tate brown
True, they do beef tallow-fried Mars bars.
It's a beautiful thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That sounds great.
Phil's here.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Abonte.
I'm the lead singer of the Heavy Metal Band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the big news from The Independent.
Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill.
Oh, boy.
The DOJ is reportedly considering a proposal to restrict trans Americans from possessing firearms, making a dramatic reversal of the Trump admins pledges to preserve Second Amendment rights while escalating the president's attacks against trans Americans.
The proposal, according to CNN, comes in the wake of a mass shooting in the Minneapolis Catholic Church, allegedly committed by a 23-year-old trans woman, which has fueled conspiracy theories and right-wing outrage, baselessly alleging trans people are predisposed to commit violence.
connor tomlinson
It's a disgusting framing, may I just say indeed.
tim pool
Since taking office, Donald Trump has issued a series of directives targeting trans Americans, including an executive order that erases federal recognition of trans people and other measures that restrict gender-affirming health care and bans trans athletes from competing in women's sports.
The DOD has also forced out thousands of trans service members.
Trans people are not linked to higher rates of violence, and the overwhelming majority of mass attacks are committed by cisgender men.
I'm going to pause real quick and say, that's a lie.
connor tomlinson
Well, which ethnicity is cisgender men?
tim pool
So I love ChatGPT because it's basically an establishment machine where you can test the perception of the establishment.
And so when this happened, I set the story.
I took the link and I posted it in ChatGPT.
Without saying anything, just sharing the story.
It responded with, trans people are not more likely to commit mass shootings.
I asked it, how come several of the latest, most recent mass shootings were committed by trans people?
And it then said white cisgender men commit more mass shootings than any other demographic.
And when I asked it about black men, it said when black men in Baltimore, St. Louis, Chicago, and D.C. commit mass shootings, and they do commit a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings, those don't count because they're motivated by poverty, whereas white cisgender men are motivated by mental illness issues or political causes.
phil labonte
Insane.
tim pool
Which is like, okay, well, now you're lying, but that's the narrative machine.
The reason why ChatGPT says this is because our news institutions will say cisgender white men commit more mass shootings.
And when you go, what about the black community in Baltimore and D.C., where there's a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings?
And then the mainstream media just says, well, due to poverty and other factors, we don't consider those.
Our experts have decided those aren't the same thing as a mass shooting.
And it's like, it is.
But back to the story, I want to say this.
This is one of the smartest things that Trump bedman has ever done.
This is a master move.
It is akin to a fork in chess.
You ever see one of those beautiful moves where you got the rook in the bottom left corner and they're king, and you put the bishop and they're in check.
And now that's like, you got to move your king out of check.
And they do.
And then boom, bishop takes the rook.
That's what this is.
Democrats and liberals have two choices.
They can decide to go to the Supreme Court to defend the right of trans Americans to own guns.
And I agree they should be allowed to own guns, which means Democrats will be forced to argue in favor of gun rights, which is going to be real tough for them.
Or they're going to have to abandon trans as a demographic.
They're going to have to outright say, we're not going to go to bat for you in this process.
You just lose your rights to have guns.
connor tomlinson
You are presuming that they will not continue to live with crippling cognitive dissonance.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
I said they're going to have to fight on our behalf or abandon.
So I don't care what their motivation is.
I don't care what lies they want to say.
I don't care what claims they want to make.
When liberals and the ACLU and Democrats go to the Supreme Court and say, you can't ban trans people from having guns, the Supreme Court then says, you're right.
Everybody can have guns.
connor tomlinson
I think chat's going to hate me and accuse me of being a communist European or something.
phil labonte
I'll do that anyways.
connor tomlinson
I say this.
Oh, well, you know, we invented American Liberty.
That's fine.
I'm happy that you guys get to retain it, even if my country doesn't.
But I think it's entirely consistent with having a republic capable of guaranteeing its own security with an armed citizenry and banning crazy demented transsexuals from owning firearms that they will use on people other than themselves.
I think that that is completely consistent.
And yes, there's lots of fear about the government just arbitrarily classifying people as mentally ill and confiscating your guns.
phil labonte
They'll do that anyways.
connor tomlinson
They're going to do that anyway.
You can put reasonable limitations on who should and shouldn't own firearms, including the people like, you know, Audrey Hale or that Dylan Butler person in Iowa or this brand new trans shooter who just hate Christian children and want to murder them en masse.
phil labonte
The people that make the argument, oh, you can't do this because then the left will do it to you, we've already seen that the left will do it regardless of what the rag does.
Now, this particular issue aside, right?
I don't know if it's actually the right move to say trans people can't have guns.
I think there's probably a case-by-case, you know, case-by-case decision.
Because I don't think that everybody that's trans is likely to go and shoot up a church.
I think it's far more likely if they're immersed in the LGBTQ ideology and there are probably other factors.
I don't think that a blanket ban would work, but that doesn't mean that I'm also not going to sit there and be like, oh, we can't do this because the left will do it to us.
Because that's not an argument.
They're going to do it either way.
If they had the option, if they had the ability to remove guns from every private individual in the United States, they absolutely would.
So to say that, oh, you can't do this to trans people because they'll take your guns.
If they get the chance, if they have the ability, they're going to do that anyway.
tim pool
The other thing to consider, too, is that we have continually tried to maintain this classical liberal approach to we must protect the rights of everybody, even our enemies.
And what we've learned is that communists have exploited that for the past several generations to burn us to the ground.
So my attitude's shifted, and I'm more like, if you're in favor of gun rights for all and you've fought for the protection of 2A and 1A, I'll defend you as well, regardless of what economic system you want.
But if you're a commie who's tried taking guns away from other people, when they come for your guns, I'm going to put my feet up and say, I am helping you.
connor tomlinson
I have the same mentality with everyone I meet.
You treat people as well as you can the first time you meet them.
And after that, you treat them as they treat you.
Otherwise, if you don't apply a principle of reciprocity, you get exploited.
I will just say before Tate chimes in, I think that if they're going to do this, it won't be on the diagnosis of gender dysphoria strictly, because then you'll have people with depression or history of depression having their guns taken away.
It might be that people are on currently HRT in the same way that it exacerbates violent symptoms, something like SSRIs or testosterone replacement does.
tate brown
Well, yeah, even then, I mean, even there even is an argument.
This is kind of like it's the same argument we have the flag burning.
It's like, if you do look at the founders' view on these sorts of things on the Second Amendment, is they did have the English common law tradition of lunatics.
It's like the Second Amendment is predicated on responsible gun ownership.
And that's why you had an early colonial governments and early state governments restrictions on like felons, on loyalists, ironically, which is pretty funny.
And then lunatics, because it was like, there was this understanding that this is a protection of responsible gun ownership.
So I think it's a perfectly valid question for the Trump administration to ask is, okay, these people clearly aren't responsible.
And the fact that they're not predisposed to violence, it's like, well, they're predisposed to violence against themselves.
We see that on a very regular basis.
So it's like, I think there's room here for this argument that Trump's administration is making just on constitutional, constitutional grounds.
phil labonte
It's funny you mention HRT because I saw that the Department of Defense or the Department of War, the future Department of War, has started looking into testosterone and steroid use for the special forces.
They're not actually as against it as they used to be.
They're like, maybe we should start testing to see if this is actually going to help the guys out.
connor tomlinson
But that's fun if you're pointing the guns at a bunch of jihadists in a desert.
But if you're pointing at a school bus, it might be.
phil labonte
I want super soldiers.
If the D-Boys want to do juice, let the D-boys do juice.
tim pool
Well, so here's an argument then.
Like when we have serial killers, why don't we just pair drop them into enemy nations?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, that's not actually a bad idea.
tate brown
I mean, Foreign Legion does that.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
They really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
They get like psychos from around the world and just put them in an army.
It's awesome.
connor tomlinson
It's like suicide squads.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Lawman action.
tate brown
They just go to like the guys from West Africa.
They're like hardened criminals and they go to the French Foreign Legion, go back to West Africa and just settle score of like 10 years.
That's hilarious.
connor tomlinson
That's why Britain was so peaceful.
Like you had about one to two percent of the population axed every year via hangings and then the rest of the crazy people went into the army and then either administered in the Caribbean or got blown up.
Yeah, there you go.
It's a sensible way of doing it.
tim pool
It's getting crazy.
connor tomlinson
Though to be fair, the Trans Battalion, if you did have one, they would take like 40% casualty before you engage the enemy.
So I don't think it's a sustainable strategy.
tim pool
I, man, I think, you know, we were talking about we're in the offseason for everything, political and news related.
The election cycle is over.
It's not just that the election cycle is over and we're on off year.
After Trump lost, in whatever way you want to say he lost in 2021, we did not have nearly the kind of apathy and drop-off in politics that we're seeing now.
And I think the reason is I think we've won substantially more than we realize.
You're saying Nigel Farage is going to be the prime minister?
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, that's a hard swing.
connor tomlinson
It's a hard swing, definitely.
I don't think it's any doubt as to whether or not Nigel Farrell is going to win the next election barring unprecedented and unforeseeable political circumstances.
However, the manner in which he wins is questionable.
The last time I was here, we were discussing the fact that reforms seem to have been tracked softer on things like mass deportations.
And when we discussed that, it got a fair few hundred thousand views.
And I happen to know now that Nigel Farage has been, after a year of denouncing them, he's now said, I am in favor of mass deportations.
Now, he said he's not going to do the Tom Holman approach.
And he said he's only going to deport men who are criminals.
He's not going to deport the families with them, which is obviously a problem because then if you deport a guy's dad, he's going to then, especially if he is of the Islamic faith, become radicalized in your own country and be radicalized against you.
So you do actually have to send all the families with them.
And now you've got the Conservative Party leader in waiting because they're going to axe the current Conservative Party leader, replace him with Robert Jenrick, who's come out today and said, we need a decade of net emigration, and I will deport every single legal immigrant in the country.
So you're getting an arms race in the UK now as to who is the most credible to copy Trump and conduct mass deportations.
tim pool
I will stress, you know, so basically the point was, you know, everybody in the political space is seeing a decline in viewership.
One of the reasons why we've been working on the Culture War podcast over the past several months is because we understand that news, people don't need news anymore.
Everybody already knows.
It's like, and when it comes to news commentary, there's too much.
And so we need debates and spaces.
So viewership is not across the board for everybody.
But it's not just that we're in an offseason.
It's that we have made such tremendous gains.
There's no more fear and silent majority like we used to have.
It's not a big deal anymore if you're a celebrity and you come out and you say that you support Trump.
I mean, Chris Pratt does hollow commercials where he's like, please pray with me.
We're seeing more and more stuff like that.
And I think it's a good thing.
But this means that, you know, seven, eight years ago, there were a lot of people that were terrified.
They were in their workplace.
They were silenced.
They were told they had to say things that weren't true.
And then they would go online and they'd watch all these videos and all these shows that kind of helped them.
They knew that they weren't on the, they saw this.
Now I go on Instagram and it's just like guys in Burger King hats, if you know what I mean.
And they have millions upon millions of views.
I showed Connor a video earlier where it had like 400,000 shares.
And what was it?
Like a black woman screaming she wanted EBT or something.
And I'm just like, listen, they're jokes.
They're based on racist tropes.
They're funny.
Doesn't mean I, you know, I don't care.
I'm not going to rag on a race.
It's like they're just jokes.
They make fun of white people, black people, Asians.
But Instagram is allowing it.
And I'm like, that's how much it's shifted.
So I feel there's a lot of people right now, especially right now, it's summer, the fear is gone.
Trump has won.
The change is coming.
The deportations are coming.
The things we want, like nature is healing.
And so the stress has kind of been released.
connor tomlinson
That's wonderful for you guys.
I'm glad you guys are tired of winning.
At the moment, we're in a precipice of street violence.
People are waving the national flag as a symbol of protest in my own country.
And when your own flag becomes a symbol of protest, it shows you how bad things have gotten.
We've got a migrant sex offense every single day.
We've got like 50,000 illegals pouring in over boats every single year.
tim pool
We still have all that bad stuff, too.
I'm just saying.
connor tomlinson
problems, sure, but, uh, but...
tim pool
Well, I mean, no, no, no, no, like...
But like we still have these bad things happening.
We still have these narco-gangs.
We still have all that.
It's just that the average person feels like we are seeing the results.
So when you say like Nigel Frage is tracking no one, like you are also seeing results.
Now, what I will stress, seven AFD politicians dead in a few days.
And, you know, the left is not just, you know, whatever.
connor tomlinson
Bear in mind as well, our election is almost guaranteed to be at least another four years away.
And it's more likely that we get imminent civil unrest before another election.
tim pool
I would, I, you know, as much as I would actually say, like, I hope you guys just win.
If there is a civil war in the UK, I volunteer to join the Expeditionary Force and go and help liberate the British Patriots.
connor tomlinson
The Beanie Battalion parachute in.
I mean, you were joking, well, half joking, on X the other day, but I will say the.
tim pool
About it about conquering the UK.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, temporarily liberating.
Even Cromwell himself was temporary.
Of course, England always needs a king.
However, the interventions by the American State Department and Jim Jordan and the Judiciary Committee have been more than welcome because just like the Biden administration was meddling in Silicon Valley and had implications for Europe and the UK, Kirstama's labor government have been meddling in American tech.
They've been meddling in American politics.
And so you guys have needed to wade in.
And the fact that you felt the need to wade in has created much more breathing room for UK patriots to operate in their politics.
tim pool
What I'm going to do, okay, after the coalition of volunteers secures control of the UK, we will install Milo Yiannopoulos as viceroy temporarily, temporarily, until a new parliament, parliamentary system is re-established.
And then we'll have to name you a new king after removing the royal family, for which I believe the Benjamins, notably Carl Benjamin and his family, will become the new monarchs of the UK.
connor tomlinson
Long may he reign for this.
phil labonte
So long to the House of Windsor.
Hello to the House of Benjamin.
tim pool
Yes.
Let's jump to this next story from Block Club Chicago.
El Grito Chicago called off as ICE agents sent to City.
We need to keep our communities safe.
The popular Mexican Independence Day Festival at Grant Park this weekend was called off in consultation with state and city officials amid threats of widespread ICE rates.
Could you just imagine all of these Mexicans and illegal immigrants gathering in Grant Park to celebrate Mexican independence, and then just like 300 ICE agents surround the park and just arrest everybody and just get all the illegal immigrants into porn?
They actually fear that was going to happen.
I want everybody listening to stop and just think about that for two seconds.
That they actually were concerned that ICE was going to go and start rounding up this massive group of non-Americans here illegally celebrating Mexico's heritage.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, when Trump said we're going in, what do you think it was going to look like?
Vibes, essays?
We're going in.
You know, no more independent vibes.
connor tomlinson
Pop Soviak said earlier on the stage at NatCon today, he said, it's fine if you want to wave a foreign flag, you can do that on the flight home.
We have this exact problem in the UK where basically the British Empire has folded back on us.
Not only are the administration bodies of the empire, like the civil service and the home office, inhabited by the sons and daughters of said empire, and they're taking out their ethnic and historical grievances on the native population.
But like ethnic colonies like Birmingham, one of our major cities that's just, it looks like New Delhi.
It's entirely swamped by the subcontinent, back to back lights up its library in the colors of India and Pakistan's flag to celebrate their independence day.
It's like, oh, wonderful.
You're so independent from the empire that you're here.
I want you all gone.
Go celebrate it elsewhere.
phil labonte
That kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed.
I mean, I understand that, you know, it's a free country or what have you.
Well, ostensibly, right?
If you put up the flag of St. George, there's a problem.
But if you put up the flag of India, that's fine.
But the point I'm making, I guess, is: look, if you are going to come to live in a country, you should embrace the values and the flag and the culture of that country.
If you don't like those things, then you probably should go back to your country.
tim pool
I want to read this from El Grito, Chicago.
unidentified
It says, Miguente con el corazón roto.
tim pool
We have announced that El Grito, Chicago Two-Day Festival in Dana Chicago will be postponed.
It was a painful decision, but holding El Gredo Chicago at this time puts the safety of our community at stake, and that's a risk we are unwilling to take.
While we are torn by this decision, when we brought this celebration back, our aim was to create a safe, affordable, family-friendly community festival for all.
We look forward to accomplishing that in the future together, bringing El Gredo Chicago back stronger, prouder, and more united than before to all our vendors, artisans, artists, and community groups who plan to join us.
You are the flavor that makes El Gredo Chicago special.
To our community, you're the beating heart of the celebration, blah, blah, blah.
Our priority now is for all tickets to be refunded.
Full refunds will be immediately, will begin immediately to everybody who purchased tickets through our website tickets sign up.
Refunds will go back to the original form of payment.
Please allow 710 business days.
We're saddened by the loss.
Okay, I'm going to pause real quick and just say the next move the Trump DOJ needs to make is begin a criminal investigation of the organizers of El Gredo.
Because if they were facilitating a gathering of illegal immigrations, that is a immigration of illegal immigrants, that is actually a violation of law to induce or encourage illegal immigration in this country.
And if they're holding festivals where they know and expressed knowledge that they were selling tickets and profiting off of individuals who are here illegally for this celebration, I believe there should be some action taken against them.
connor tomlinson
Will you be able to trace via the payments, presumably, back to some illegal aliens, at least?
I mean, it'd be worthwhile.
At least they can celebrate Cinco de Mayo in Elegator Alcatraz.
That would be nice fun for them.
tate brown
Yeah, that'd be a good time.
Yeah, it's like the fact that these massive ethnic enclaves exist in the first place just demonstrates how broken our immigration policy is.
And this is actually, this has happened in America historically.
Like if you look up the Orange Riots, this is fascinating.
This was like New York City, 1870s, and you had Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics literally going on the street in New York City and killing each other en masse, like dozens and dozens of deaths.
And it's like, so this is a, this has happened.
It's been a big problem.
And this is just going to get violent if you keep permitting these ethnic enclaves.
tim pool
I'd like to read Title VIII, USC 1324A, subsection 1AV, or is it five?
I believe it's me, expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of foregoing offenses.
However, there's also, so it is five.
It's also, subsection A1A4 makes it an offense for any person who encourages or induces an alien to come to enter or reside in the U.S., knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to entry or residence is or will be in violation of the law.
The organizers have stated, now, there's arguments to be made, and they're going to, and the left is going to be like, no, no, you're drawing inferences, whatever.
I believe after a criminal investigation, the likelihood that you will find evidence, the organizers knew that they were encouraging illegal immigrants to come to Chicago for this festival.
I think that's clear as day for anybody.
When they say, we're canceling the event because ICE is going to be there, you know what they're saying, that they knew that they were taking money to facilitate an event that would encourage illegal immigrants to come to this festival.
And that is a crime, a federal crime.
And I'm tired of weak DOJ being like, well, it may be illegal.
We're not doing anything about it.
I'll give you another example.
In West Virginia, drag shows in public are illegal, explicitly, as are they, especially involving children.
And there have been numerous instances in West Virginia where they've had drag shows and brought children on in public.
And it's in the law outright that you can't do this.
But they go, oh, but you know, the activists.
Now stop being weak, okay?
If the laws need to be changed, they can go to Congress and change the laws.
If people in Chicago don't like that this law exists, well then vote.
And if the Congress can't change the law because people vote against you, you don't get to just break the law.
And then we sit back while the DOJ allows it.
connor tomlinson
Let me go one step further as well, based on what Phil just said.
Not only should the illegal immigrants themselves, if they're gathering this one place, they should be deported no matter where they are.
They should be deported every single last one of the 10 to 30 million of them that you guys have in your country now.
But also, I think that if you are a naturalized citizen or if you're here on a visa that can be revoked, as the Trump administration is exploring as part of its DOJ memorandum back in June, the denaturalization process, if you're repeatedly celebrating the independence celebrations of a foreign country, if you're waving a foreign flag, if you are celebrating the success of another country over and above your host population, why should you be given continued residency?
You should be made to leave too.
You're not contributing anything to the social fabric.
You're demonstrating hostility to the host majority of heritage Americans in this country.
You're probably not economically contributing either, though this country isn't an economic zone.
You should leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, you see it with, if you ask like Mexicans that are living in the United States, they genuinely believe that California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona is rightfully their land and that it was stolen from them.
They say, oh, no, the border crossed us.
So it's like they're literally openly admitting that they've, yeah, well, A, that they lost, but they're openly admitting that they feel entitled to this land.
Like it's, this is a different element at play here.
They believe truly that they've been wronged and that they're trying to rectify historical wrongdoing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, look, throughout all of history, if you lose a war, you're going to actually have consequences, right?
The idea that, oh, these wars that have happened in fairly recent history in the past couple hundred years, their consequences don't apply to me.
And this land that we're on, it's actually, I'm entitled to it, which you're not even personally entitled to it.
It's just you're like, oh, this is a blood and soil argument.
And that's a ridiculous argument, especially in the United States.
tate brown
Well, it shows assimilations broke down because they're saying, no, I'm an American.
I'm an American.
It's like, okay, then you press a little bit on this and say, well, it used to be our land.
You know, this is our rightfully our land.
It's like, okay, so below the American identity, there's this strong Mexican identity.
So they're making a blood and soil argument.
connor tomlinson
There's barely subterranean ethnic resentment.
You get the same thing in the UK.
So Ed Hussein, who's a second generation Indian immigrant who's a Muslim, who's ex-jihadist, did a book, I think it came out in 2021 called Among the Mosques.
And he just tours all the towns and cities of the UK, speaking to these like moderate imams, the owners of madrasas and the mosques.
And anytime he presses just a little bit on the issues that Muslims have, as soon as he says something like, oh, but you're not concerned about the grooming gangs?
Are you not concerned about being segmented away from the broader community and cousin marriage and things like that?
They go, well, the British started it.
They invaded our countries.
They toppled our tribal leaders.
They inflicted horrible things on us, like not allowing us to rape victims.
And we just had to import ourselves back to your country and practice cousin marriage and steal all your welfare.
It's actually your guys' fault.
tate brown
Yeah, they press and then they admit that their presence is a form of punishment because they're saying they're getting revenge.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, diversity or strength until it's not.
tim pool
We are getting to the point where we're seeing a lot of these individuals just say, we're conquering you.
You've lost.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like the confidence is becoming such that there have been videos where they're just like, what are you going to do about it?
tate brown
Los Angeles, like four months ago.
connor tomlinson
I mean, that's exhibit A. Or in the UK, whenever these protests have been happening outside of Simon Hotels, like the men who are just laughing with glee and filming them on their iPhones, my tax money has paid for.
Frankly, if you had arrived and broken into someone's country and then the government of that country had given you a four-star hotel spending money and then marshaled the police to protect your reputation as an invader against the negative opinions of parents that are afraid that you're housing their children's school.
Yeah, you would think you're a conquering army, wouldn't you?
That's why they behave like it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And it's, you know, it's not, it's like not hidden anymore.
And there are people that will call you names and say you're racist for noticing or acknowledging what they will openly say.
And it's good that there are people that are no longer cowed by that.
Pardon me?
tim pool
So there are people that are noticing?
phil labonte
Yeah, there are people that are realizing, noticing, whatever you want to call it.
God, I'm the wrong phrase.
unidentified
But the point is, like the ghost of Steve Sale.
tate brown
His profile picture, like the Batman signal.
phil labonte
I'm sure that my mentions on X are going to be an absolute mess for the next 10 days.
But yeah, the point is, like, if you acknowledge that the argument they're making is, you know, is the exact same kind of racist argument, like you get called names.
You know, it's like, oh, you're, you're a racist for even acknowledging this obvious truth.
tate brown
Well, it's more we're just saying, if you can have blood and soil nationalism, why are we not allowed?
Why is it racist when we do it?
Or why is it just straight up not permitted?
But then every single person around the globe outside of like Western Europe and America is totally allowed to do that.
phil labonte
Well, not just allowed.
I mean, that's just normal.
tate brown
It should be normal human behavior, but for whatever reason, in the West, we've just decided that we're just economic zones that you can just interchange people in and out of.
tim pool
Well, my friends, let's jump to this next story.
unidentified
I would say that, man, we really did win, didn't we?
tim pool
David Pacman has left the left.
Of all the people.
Let me play the clip for you so you can hear for yourself.
He gives a little nuance to it, but listen, he's concerned.
Nobody wants to just dive right in.
Even Anna Kasparian was slow about being like the left has gone nuts.
Even Dave Rubin was not, you know, just an overnight thing.
David Pacman is now exhibiting the basics of leaving the left.
Did you guys know that when that viral video from Prager went out called Why I Left the Left from Dave Rubin, Dave didn't actually intend on stating that phrase, I left the left.
Dave's intention in that video was the left is bad.
And the interpretation that they took was that Dave had left the left.
And so even Rubin was doing something similar.
Let me put it this way.
David Pacman is saying, I'm not the next Rubin while doing literally the exact same thing every disaffected liberal has done when they've gotten red-pilled.
phil labonte
And the only reason he's saying I'm not the next Rubin is because they have this idea that Rubin was bad for doing what he did.
All he did was acknowledge that the left is crazy.
tim pool
Here's the clip.
david pakman
I have not changed in terms of my views.
tim pool
None of us have.
david pakman
What has changed, as I pointed out yesterday, is I no longer believe we are all part of the same movement.
There's the governance-focused big tent, win elections and pass laws left.
That's where I am.
And then there's this purity test left.
The ones who don't really care if we lose and sometimes seem to like it so they can say, I told you so, as long as they feel morally untainted.
unidentified
Yep.
david pakman
That's helpful.
They treat compromise as corruption.
They think you need a better media ecosystem must mean install CIA approved thought leaders or something like that.
So maybe we were never really part of the same movement.
If I've been red-pilled about anything, maybe it's that.
tim pool
Indeed.
david pakman
We overlapped when convenient and that was it.
But I'm not getting red-pilled.
I'm done pretending that everyone with a left-wing label is on the same page.
connor tomlinson
Blue scarf.
david pakman
You can stand for progress in a lot of different ways.
You can want change.
tim pool
Oh, he's got tortured.
david pakman
I mean, everyone's only 98% on your side.
But no, I am not having a political awakening.
I am not the next Dave Rubin.
None of that.
tim pool
Yeah, he is.
And you know why?
His views are in the gutter.
Remember when he said this during the election?
He was like, I'm losing so many subscribers.
Holy crap, what's happening?
Regular people are leaving the left.
They're sick of it.
They're moving on.
My views haven't changed.
Hey, David said the same thing.
The only difference is when someone came to me and said, how many lights are there, Tim?
I said, four.
And they went, you're mistaken.
There are five.
I says, no, I'm not.
And stop lying.
And if you keep lying, we're going to have problems.
And David said, yeah, there's five lights.
And now finally, he's realizing he's on the wrong side of history.
And so his, you can see the motivations of people like him.
Late to the game.
Why?
Well, because he chose money and is willing to drop to his knees for whoever wants to pay him.
Now, I will say this.
I'm going to back off a little bit.
Everybody should be praising David and saying thank you for acknowledging this.
What you're describing is how we define woke.
Purity test, moralistic leftists who just want you to be part of whatever they say is true, regardless of whether or not it's right, regardless of whether or not they'll actually win or change anything.
They're self-sabotaging, and they're purit, it's a puritanical ideological leftism, where if you deviate in any way, they cancel you.
Okay, that's been woke the whole time, the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
And David's being like, wow, I'm just now realizing this.
So, as much as I don't trust the guy, that's fine.
The play here is to say, thank you, David.
Please tell me more.
What a good person you are for explaining this, and we will fracture the cult.
connor tomlinson
So, I don't know if I agree on that, just because, and I understand wanting to be accommodating.
However, I don't agree that wokeness is defined by its tactics or its characteristics in operation.
This is why people apply the name woke-right.
You know, they say, Oh, right-wingers are behaving just like the left, therefore it's woke-right.
No, woke is gay-race communism.
And the thing with David Pachman is he hasn't changed his views.
It is.
tim pool
It's not.
connor tomlinson
Okay.
It is because he still has not changed any of his views.
And so he wants to consolidate the existing gains of the revolution without jeopardizing it as a political project because all of his co-freaks are so antisocial that they put people off.
So he's hoping to repackage the same values in the same way.
He's not reassessing his same priors.
He wants the revolution to continue unfurling, but in a sustainable fashion.
And just one final thing: it's hilarious that he says all of these CIA-approved people.
Dude, you had the values of the entire deep state of Goldman Sachs of Walmart until about 15 seconds ago.
So the idea that you are some sort of renegade is quite persistent.
tim pool
When you have so wokeness is not gay race communism, there is an element of the left that adheres to those ideologies, but that I've argued this quite a bit, doesn't explain why there's the pro-Ukraine faction, which does not engage in arguments about critical theory, gender, or race.
And it doesn't explain why people like David Pachman, who largely take an economic pro-war view that he largely ignores those progressive arguments and gay race communism, is still considered woke.
And two more points: Mark Warner, who is considered a moderate Democrat, is defending Kilmar Brego-Garcia.
And additionally, that's the political element.
The Jaguar commercial, where they espoused nothing political, but it was a weird modern art display of bald people wearing weird pastel makeup was also called woke.
connor tomlinson
Because they're all black and androgynous.
tim pool
But doesn't explain Mark Warner.
So all of these different things that are called woke, if you put an umbrella over it, you try to ask what is the lowest common denominator that allows us to define woke, and it's the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
That means David Pachman will never call out gay race communism, but he himself is not a gay race communist.
connor tomlinson
Well, liberalism is just the slow unfurling of gay race communism.
Marxism and wokeness is just its eager stepchild.
tim pool
As far as Ukraine, the reason they support it is because they want to make it a sort of I'm going to pause you again because what you're doing is you're cutting half of the woke people off because they don't hold those views.
That's why that doesn't make sense.
connor tomlinson
Okay, what woke person did not fold themselves into BLM and support trans?
tim pool
David Pacman.
connor tomlinson
Did he not support BLM?
tim pool
He didn't call it out.
He didn't question it.
He largely ignored those issues, and he consistently does.
It is the cult-like adherence to their orthodoxy unchallenged, which puts them in the woke camp.
connor tomlinson
I think you would find.
I don't watch David Pacman's show.
Like everyone else in this room, I have an IQ above 50.
But I'm sure you would find an abundance of clips of him banging on about systemic racism or saying that Trump is committing some kind of transgenocide.
tim pool
David Pachman has always played the moderate Democrat route, but never called out until now the excesses of the lunacy on the left.
And so when we look at someone who's waving a Ukraine flag and they put it in their profile, what does that have to do with critical theory in any capacity?
connor tomlinson
Because it's not critical theory.
It's human rights.
It's the doctrine of the blank slate.
And so they want Ukraine to be part of the international global liberal order through which universal human rights are unfold.
tim pool
And both of these individuals in this country that don't know anything about critical theory will not argue in favor of communism, will actually criticize the ideas of communism, but march in lockstep with those things we define as woke.
So the point is, there have been numerous prominent conservatives who said woke is critical race theory, gender theory, gay race, communism, et cetera.
And then that isolates a core group of personalities and the entire sphere of influence for which they control, which includes prominent liberals who are pro-war in Ukraine, pro-Taiwan, anti-China, anti-Russia, it ignores them and their influence in the similar space.
So when we look at what this whole, like David Pachman, why would I describe him as woke?
Because for the longest time, he has engaged in sophistry to uphold liberal orthodoxy.
But he himself, in private, there are many liberals we've had on the show that do this thing where it's like, obviously, trans kids is not a good thing.
We shouldn't do that.
And they'll actually say things like that while trying to dance around.
Pisco, who we have at the culture war, who'll be here tomorrow, he does a lot of this.
He offers up a, oh, you're right about these things, but then uses sophistry to try and defend the whole of liberal orthodoxy.
So my point ultimately is, while we do highlight individuals that are critical theorists, gender, race, or otherwise, there are prominent left that we call woke because they will protect it while privately trying to downplay it.
When they say things like, you know, I hear what you're saying on that, they will then try and convince you to come into the fold of the greater liberal orthodoxy.
I'll try and keep it simple.
It does not matter what is logical or true.
White, blonde-haired, blue-eyed Eastern Europeans are people of color according to woke.
But that defies the oppression hierarchy they also claim to uphold.
They say the military-industrial complex is bad, and the funding of war by the United States is bad until it comes to Ukraine.
It's all completely illogical.
It's almost like I describe it as a murmuration flying around randomly.
And as long as you stick with it, you are in the woke sphere, whether it tilts left, right, or otherwise.
David Pachman, by coming out and saying the purity test left, is finally breaking from woke by calling them out explicitly.
connor tomlinson
I think the connective tissue here that we would agree on is what we discussed when I was on the culture war last year, which is whether or not they're congenital liberals or died in the wall gay race communists.
They all believe on the blank slate.
And so they might differ on the instruments by which they achieve this latent human egalitarianism that's lying underneath everything.
tim pool
I disagree.
I don't think they believe in the blink slate.
connor tomlinson
You don't think David Patman believes in the blank slate?
tim pool
I would argue that David Pachman largely doesn't believe in anything except the color green and pictures of dead presidents.
connor tomlinson
Okay, well, I can't really speak to that because I don't know how disingenuous it is.
tim pool
David Pachman is a, I mean, look at what he's saying right now, right?
Let's be real.
He knew.
He knew what he's saying now a long time ago.
Okay.
Anybody of reasonable intelligence who can build a platform, create the graphics, study the algorithm of YouTube and create a channel with millions of subscribers and every day read the news knows full well when they are lying.
When David Pachman, my favorite clip from him, when he brought, he played a clip from MSNBC, no, I think it was NBC News, it was Chuck Todd talking to Ted Cruz, and he asked Ted Cruz, do you really believe Ukraine interfered in the U.S. election in 2016?
And then Ted Cruz goes, The New York Times reported it, and then a producer starts laughing in the background.
David Pachman then starts going, I can't believe it.
He actually thinks that.
There's no way David Pachman, in his research to find that clip and is isolating it, didn't actually look at the New York Times story that said Ted Cruz was correct.
Ted Cruz.
So David Pachman is cognizant of his lies.
He knows full well.
I would argue, and I've known the guy for a while, not like we're good friends or anything.
If you got him in private, he'd tell you outright.
Yeah, of course, that's completely illogical.
None of it makes sense.
But I've got an audience and I got to make money.
So I'm going to defend them and say whatever needs to be said so that I can maintain my viewership and grow my channel and defend it.
We would consider people who do that still to be woke, despite not actually following.
Now, that then, what is the greater umbrella?
The cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy.
More importantly, what is woke changes.
For example, Wimixen, W-O-M-X-N, was called, was deemed at one point to be the appropriate spelling for women because it's inclusive to women of color and trans women until a week later when trans women said, we don't need a special word, just say woman, and you're a bigot.
And then it changed again.
So you can argue that those are components of gay race communism, I guess, but there's no logic defining what it is or is not.
connor tomlinson
The logic is that it's advancing towards the ultimate goal of absolute egalitarianism.
tim pool
Except it changes.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but it changes every day because the various aggrieved client groups make their bids for what is and isn't excluding them.
So there's a form of collective bargaining there, but the ultimate guiding North Star is absolute egalitarianism.
And David Pacman might well be a grifter.
However, I think if you sat him down and you asked him if the Democrat Party could sufficiently redistribute enough welfare and free health care and human rights and housing to as many men from Mogadishu as possible, would they become American?
He would say yes, which means that he does believe in the blank slate.
tim pool
I think David Pacman would try to engage in sophistry where he would not take an absolutist stance and he would try and nudge you towards the liberal orthodoxy for the purpose of building audience and making money.
connor tomlinson
Okay.
tim pool
And if you sit with David Pacman, he's the kind of guy who's going to be like, obviously that's an extreme and I don't think that's true for all people.
I do think, however, some people can, that's the angle he's going to play.
connor tomlinson
Right.
Okay.
Well, then.
tim pool
So this is the point.
I mean, when you have liberals who are like, the military-industrial complex is bad and we've got to stop increasing the military budget.
And then you go, I agree.
Now say Ukraine.
I go, no, no, no, Ukraine deserves more money.
It's like, okay, there's no logic to what you're saying.
You're literally just saying what MSNBC is adhering to.
That is, liberal activists would argue the military-industrial complex is bad and in the same breath say, Hassan Piker does this.
And we're like, he's woke.
Yet he simultaneously argues for and against the military-industrial complex.
And I will say this too: when the funding or defunding of the military-industrial complex is a component of the left, that's nothing to do with critical theory.
connor tomlinson
I think diluting the philosophical consistency of a position that can be ascribed to woke by also saying these people are sophists, these people are grifters, these people are stupid in the instance of Hassan Pika means that we're actually making the waters more murky in what we're trying to describe.
tim pool
I think when you say woke is critical theory, or not critical theory, it's gay race communism.
But you're just, that's just a pejorative for critical theory.
connor tomlinson
It's an instrument in enacting the final goal of total egalitarianism.
But I think too much premium is placed on critical theory as the origin point of woke.
I think it's John Locke, but there you go.
tim pool
Critical theory is just the umbrella for critical gender and critical race theory.
And you say gay race communism.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but also I'd lump responsibility.
tim pool
You are excising out large portions of the influential liberal base that engage in political activism who don't ascribe to that, but ally with these people.
connor tomlinson
But I think they all do ascribe to it whether or not they've read it.
Like their default assumption is that.
tim pool
It's just not correct.
It's just not correct.
That's why Anna Kasparian breaks out.
That's why David Pachman leaves the left.
Because they never believed it.
They were just adhering to the liberal orthodoxy.
When Anna Kasparian lies about me personally for years and then one day has an epiphany and changes her mind.
She's woke.
We say she's woke.
She's lying about all these things.
It is the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy.
And the orthodoxy changes every day.
It's impossible to actually follow what the rules are.
So the Wimixon is just one example that I use where you say, okay, liberals, tell me what I should or should not say.
And then the next day, they pull the old tweet from a week ago and then cancel you for it.
There's no logical consistency.
What they're saying is or is not true.
Now, I agree, critical theory, gay race communism is a large component of what we have seen among the moralistic liberal orthodoxy.
But certain components of it change whenever it's appropriate for them to gain power.
phil labonte
I mean, isn't it?
tim pool
So real quick, just sorry.
When they say Republicans challenge the election, and then every election they've challenged.
When you've got a 40-minute video of Democrats saying Republicans have stolen the election every single election, and then, but Republicans are bad for stealing the election, you're like, bread, there's no logical consistency, what they claim.
I think that is just a cult.
phil labonte
I think there is.
One second.
I think the feature that you're actually acknowledging, Tim, is that there's so much postmodern influence on the left, right?
If you don't, if you have a postmodernist who's making an argument, you're not going to get logical consistency because part of the postmodern, I guess, philosophy is that there are no actual overarching narratives that matter.
So what you do is make arguments that are functional so that way you can win the existing argument that you're in.
You can make a different argument later, tomorrow, the next week, or whatever, because the actual underlying philosophy isn't important that you're going towards a goal.
tim pool
And that is not unique to critical theory or gay race communism.
phil labonte
No, no, it's postmodern.
tim pool
It's not unique to postmodernism.
The idea that there's no truth but power or the might makes right is not uniquely postmodern.
phil labonte
So when liberals – It's not about might makes right.
It's about what useful arguments will help you win the argument you're in.
tim pool
And that's not about what the liberals are doing is saying truth doesn't matter.
All that matters is I somehow steal power from you.
And that has been true of the liberals and the Democratic Party for decades, irrespective of the rise of wokeness in the past 15 years.
phil labonte
That's the postmodern incident.
That's the postmodern incident.
tim pool
So when liberals have had this behavior and tendency pre-postmodernism, why would we then ascribe postmodernism as the principle of what we're doing?
phil labonte
When are you talking about then?
tim pool
I'm talking about the 2000s.
phil labonte
When they were challenging the election.
Postmodernism did not rise in the middle of the day.
tim pool
The rise of critical theory specifically is the end of the 2000s.
And we see this in the LexisNexis data.
That was before they were already challenging elections while claiming they don't.
phil labonte
But that isn't when postmodernism came onto the scene.
Postmodernism kind of came on in like the 50s and 60s.
tim pool
Right, right.
So the point is, if we're talking about wokeness as gay race communism, let's just, we'll clarify.
Gay race, and postmodernism is a large principle component of what is the ideology held by these people.
In 2008, LexisNexis data shows across the board and newspapers all around the world the rise of critical theory terminology, white supremacy, trans, et cetera.
Pre-this, and I'm sure everyone in the chat agrees, Democrats still behaved this way.
If they cult-like adherence to their orthodoxy.
A great example that I highlighted was the Prop 8 video from like 2011, where the Democrats were falsely ascribing views to the conservatives about gay marriage in California for the purpose of winning on that issue.
This is before we were taken over by the cult-like, I'm sorry, before we were taken over by gay race communism, whatever.
There was still on the left, if you were on the right, you were bad.
Right means bad.
Right has always meant bad.
And you must do what we say is acceptable or you will be excised.
connor tomlinson
So the reason I don't want to define it by tactics is to use a comparison.
So political correctness came from the term partinost from Lenin in the early 20th century.
And Solja Nitzen and Gulag Archipelago describes how people's capacity for self-delusion, even in prison, would allow them to daub in their spouse as being insufficiently devoted to the Communist Party or accept false charges so that their sons and daughters would join the Komsomol, the young communist league, even though they knew themselves were not guilty.
So that capacity to lie, to delude, to adhere to a cult-like orthodoxy comes long before the specific manifestation of woke as being gay race communism.
So I wouldn't define it by its tactics because those tactics are part of the position.
No, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Were the fascists woke?
connor tomlinson
No.
tim pool
Agreed.
And so when you have a totalitarian system, an authoritarian system, people bend the knee and will say, for those that know the reference, there are four lights.
It's from Star Trek.
It's actually a reference to something else that people have explained to me.
But Picard was being tortured.
There were four lights above him.
And the torturer said, tell me there are five or I'll electrocute you.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it's from George Orwell's 1984.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so anybody will do that.
When the liberals say, do it or we will make you suffer, that it is just a fascistic ethos held by the left.
And that's why, I'll put it this way.
I guarantee you, David Pachman coming out and saying, you know, I'm finally realizing this, it's because the money's drying up.
He's on the wrong side of history.
But I guarantee you, if tomorrow a progressive organization said, we're going to dump a bunch of sponsorship and ads into your organization, into your channel, if you just apologize for that and say you were wrong, he would do it in two seconds.
Most of these liberals would.
Let me tell you, I've heard a lot of people critical of critical race theory and gender theory, which are bad, describe woke specifically as that.
Yet, these people don't actually believe any of it.
And I've proven it.
And I think we'll prove it substantially to a greater degree because when you offer them money, they drop the act immediately.
So I'll give you an example.
And I'll laugh about it when they post this in the slat forums.
Boone's HQ skate park, right?
So we start filming content.
We make skateboards.
We sell skateboards.
We've done like, I don't know, over $100,000 this year in boards.
The last several months have been massive.
The Don't Be Gay board sold, I think, $16,000 in a month for skateboards.
And I was told by some of these guys in the industry that we may actually have one of the highest selling skate companies in the world now for boards because industry is flat.
Well, what happens is these woke activists go online and start saying, F. Tim Poole, he's a fascist, blah, blah, blah.
People start agreeing with them.
And then you know what I did?
I said, hey, do you want to come and skate at our park?
I'll give you $1,000 to film videos.
And what did they say?
Yes.
And what are they saying now?
I never actually believed any of that.
I just, you know, so what we see here is power dynamics, irrespective of actual underlying ideologies.
The people who go online and claim to believe this stuff when offered cash flip on a light – like a light switch.
connor tomlinson
I don't think the existence of grifters and it's – It's not – it's all of them.
It's not – It's not all of them.
There are many true believers.
tim pool
Point I'm saying is that there are powerful people who have weaseled their way into HR and into industry who hold these views.
And all the people claiming that they hold that, they actually don't.
And so wokeness in the bigger picture, when we're looking at the mass majority, I'm talking about the people who know they're lying, the people who are standing in the crowd thinking, look, I've gotten more than enough messages from celebrities who are publicly woke, who said, I actually don't agree with any of this, but I'll lose my job.
I'll lose my sponsors.
I'll get fired from my company.
That's the majority of the people we call woke.
They are just adhering to the cult out of fear.
And you offer them cash and a guarantee they drop it in two seconds.
phil labonte
I think that, like, I understand the point that you're making.
Using woke as a broad term is functionally correct, but I also think that there are thought leaders on the left.
There are people that are actually coming up with these ideas and they're filtering through into those people.
These people, like your average woke person, didn't come up with any of the ideas that they have on their own.
They come from academia, usually.
They come from that philosophy.
tim pool
My point is, people will say woke is specifically this ideology.
And I'm like, 80% of the people who are marching with liberals don't believe any of this.
The core issue is, in fact, just that they have the adherence to the murmuration.
There is a swarm that is moving left, right, up, down, top, left, makes no sense.
Supporting fundamentalist Islam and LGBTQ causes makes literally no sense and adheres to no ideology, but it's because they're told they must.
And so I would describe it as Barack Obama did, a Mexican standoff.
So how is it that critical race theory adheres to Islam, which is a fundamentalist authoritarian system that does not comport with woke ideology or critical theory?
connor tomlinson
Because they believe that Islam has only been provoked by white settler colonialism into being violent.
tim pool
I don't believe that's true.
I think that's sophistry.
I think that's an excuse.
And the reality is you've got people pointing cancellation at each other.
This is how Obama described it several years ago.
That I'm scared that you have a powerful political action committee in your space that people will bend to.
That is, a vendor will cancel your contract if you insult Islam.
That if you draw a picture of Muhammad on the cover of your magazine, Islamists will come and murder you.
So what happens?
People who fear this adhere to that restriction.
connor tomlinson
This is a totally real phenomenon.
At the same time, pretty much everyone that is currently running the UK government and all of their paid foot soldiers are true believers because they're doing this at personal expense.
tim pool
For sure.
I'm not saying they aren't.
I'm just saying to define woke as critical theory ignores Islam.
And so when you look at the bigger picture of these conflicted ideologies that don't go together, you're like, okay, so hold on.
The expansion of the desire for Sharia law in some of these communities is completely in conflict with LGBTQ activism and the idea of the oppressed minority, especially considering Islam is like the second biggest religion in the world.
So defining woke as critical theory, at the same time, the liberals in this country have large elements of support for Islam.
It's not the ideology.
It is the cult-like adherence to these power structures.
connor tomlinson
They think they're going to basically shed that third world barbarism if they just redistribute to them enough money, enough social health.
phil labonte
That's because they believe they're blank slaves.
connor tomlinson
They believe they're blank slaves.
tim pool
Those woke people do.
But I'm saying the majority of people that we describe as woke because of the things they do and they say in their heart of hearts and in private are actually saying, I don't want to be killed by an Islamist and I don't want to be killed by an Antifa guy.
connor tomlinson
Then I probably wouldn't apply the term woke.
They're going along with woke consensus, but they're just cowards and grifters and conformists.
I would define woke as a set philosophy.
tim pool
But then so the issue I take with this specifically and why I'd give it a more broad umbrella is that people like David Pachman would be defined as woke despite not actually believing it and only adhering to it out of a fear of the power exerted by minority groups and their willingness to be extreme.
So that's why I say it is simply the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy.
That is, whatever the umbrella of liberalism determines you must do is what wokeness is.
It is the cult-like adherence to it.
And so, for someone like me, who is a relatively liberal guy who does not adhere to their orthodoxy and says that's nuts, and I won't agree with that, they call me right-wing.
I am no longer a liberal.
I am no longer on their side.
They have excised me, despite actually being a traditional liberal.
connor tomlinson
Well, you never believed in the blank slate, so you're on a traditional liberal turn.
tim pool
Traditional liberals, like in the 90s, didn't.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, they still try to keep in tandem the freedom and equality principles, which is why it was mainly defined by sort of Bill and Hillary Clinton Democrats.
tim pool
So, I would just urge, I would just, you know, to move on.
I would just describe it as there's a large phenomenon of prominent cult-like cancelist liberals, people who will destroy your life.
They will send the hounds of war, the hounds of hell at you when you speak out of turn.
They will call you far-right.
They will call you every name in the book, and they will get you banned and do whatever they can.
And they don't believe in blank slate, and they don't support Islam, and they don't support the trans stuff, but they're surrounded by people with pitchforks, and they're like, I don't care.
I'm part of the group.
That's all that matters.
And I will just wrap it by saying all of the celebrities, professional athletes, and people that I know personally who I have seen make public statements who privately have said, I'm just scared because I'll lose my job.
When we look at what's happening right now with the trends in politics and, like I mentioned, Instagram and all that, that's why I think we've really won.
It doesn't mean we've won permanently, at least this battle, we've defeated them, because regular people now are just outright being like, Yeah, screw that.
And people like David Pachman, who's who's, you know, whatever you want to call him, sophist, grifter, he's abandoning all of that.
He never believed what the woke believe.
And now that it's not profitable and their political power has waned, he's coming out being like, Yeah, they're bad.
He knew they were bad five years ago, but he adhered to their orthodoxy in a cult-like fashion and attacked those who opposed him because he wanted to be in the liberal orthodoxy.
That's it.
To be a liberal is all that matters, and it doesn't matter what the liberals believe, be it supporting Islam, which is at odds with LGBTQ activism.
tate brown
But I do think sometimes you do see people like this specifically on a track given like six months when they do come to the more like centrist, moderate position, because they are still trying to just repackage the same woke ideas with right-wing, with a right-wing facade to pass a sniff test.
tim pool
James Lindsay is a really great example of what's going on right now in the political space with our overwhelming victory, because James Lindsay is woke.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, he believes in the blank slate.
tim pool
Right.
And that's a component of it for sure.
But the reason why I define James Lindsay as woke is because his willingness to use underhanded tactics and force to make others adhere to a liberal orthodoxy.
The difference is James Lindsay, James Lindsay, doesn't like the critical theory that dominated the liberal orthodoxy.
The reason why he rejected it and they challenged it, and they will explain this to you, and you can read everything that he and his cohorts have stated, is that it was detrimental to liberalism and what they wanted to happen.
Now you can look at what James Lindsay is doing.
Every tactic he is using in his woke right escapade is on par with the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
Did you see that?
Despite the fact that he's not a critical gender theorist or critical race theorist, he is blocking people, insulting them, saying, quote, it's not my job to educate you.
He's labeling anyone in any kind of right different ideology is all woke right.
He is accusing his enemies, that of which he is doing.
He is doing everything the woke did in the 2010s.
But I believe James Lindsay's motivation, and he's like, my understanding is like an open relationship, polyamorist, liberal guy.
His motivation was critical theory is bad for the liberal orthodoxy and it must be stopped.
But the liberal orthodoxy overpowered him and he lost control of that.
Now that it's weakened, what is he doing?
The same exact tactics they've always used against conservatives to assert a new supremacy among what the liberal orthodoxy must be.
And so its strategy isn't working very well, mind you.
But I believe the end goal of James Lindsay and what he's doing is he wants to reestablish a cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy under his view of what liberalism should be.
That is polyamory, abortion, you know, certain liberal, standard liberal traditional policies, exemplified by his willingness to call to insult literally everybody as woke right.
He's using a term that he knows disaffected liberals have a distaste for.
He's using it to target people who are not woke in any capacity.
He's basically saying alt-right, as exactly what the woke did throughout the 2010s.
I have created an umbrella term for everyone who is my enemy on the right.
I will label all of them as such, even if they disagree with each other and aren't even right-wingers.
That way I can poison the well and create an enemy list.
It's a Linsky.
It's one-on-one.
He is creating a new form of woke.
And that's why I say James Lindsay is the perfect example of woke right.
He is the right arm of the liberal cult-like adherents.
connor tomlinson
He thinks he's the new Bill Buckley, but it turns out he's just got schizophrenia.
So basically, he's ended up on the right, and he's rearranging the furniture in his refugee camp to make himself feel more at home.
When actually it turns out that if you just alienate people because you're fundamentally antisocial and insane, for example, he called all of the people that were doing the Hoist the Colors campaign in the UK, putting up the union jacks and the English flags.
He compared them to the Confederates.
He said this is a psyop to rehabilitate the Confederate flag.
James, you know absolutely nothing about the politics in my country, you arrogant Todd.
And your brand of liberalism has come out entirely in the wash because it's been repudiated because you haven't reassessed your priors in how it was the handmaiden for the wokeness that you hate so much.
And the only reason he hated it, which he put with Helen Plutkros in critical theory, is because it would provoke the right-wing backlash.
Because remember, the revolution is never the problem.
It's only the counter-revolution that's the problem.
tim pool
So I want to show you this from Milo, visualized almost every conservative James Lindsay has called woke right.
Am I on there yet?
You know, let's find out.
Let me see if I can make this a little bit bigger so it's easier to read.
I love this because you've got reactionary and Baptists.
I don't know what that is.
Random.
connor tomlinson
Bronze Age pervert.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Tradcalfs, Christian.
Stupid fly, get out of here.
Paleocons, philosophers, miscellaneous right-wingers, British right, national conservatives, organizations, anonymous individuals, groipers, mainstream MAGA, anti-interventionists, and anti-Zionist.
connor tomlinson
Lady MAGA's on that is literally a drag queen.
tim pool
Indeed, indeed.
So this is why James Lindsay really does, I think, exemplify why, or at least look, it's just my argument.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I view woke as the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
James Lindsay's goal right now is he's a liberal guy.
He's always been a liberal guy.
He doesn't like conservatives.
He has outright stated his principal enemy is national conservatism.
He calls any and everyone who is against him woke right because woke is a buzzword that is a negative connotation.
He is accusing his enemies, that of which he does.
He blocks people on X and refuses to argue with them because his arguments are bad.
That's what woke people do.
He is basically saying, I don't care if it's right.
I don't care if it's true.
If you are my enemy, I will seek to damage you unless you adhere to what I demand you adhere to.
Now that we've seen Cracker Barrel, Jaguar, Bud Light, Target take massive hits over perceived wokeness.
That is varying degree.
Like even Jaguar was interesting because it was not political.
It was contemporary art, but it was reminiscent of gender theory, even without even explicitly being gender theory.
That's all that it took for Jaguar to get in trouble.
Not to mention the electric car idea was, let's get rid of all the high-end cars for the wealthy people we like.
What James is doing, recognizing the power structures of cult-like adherence and the fear that these communarians, I guess you call them, these are people on the left and liberals.
They don't care what's true.
They care about fitting in.
James Lindsay seeks to exploit this by creating an enemies list and using the term woke because woke has a sour taste in everybody's mouth.
The reason why he's redefining woke is because, as I've stated, the lowest common denominator of wokeness is cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
He needs to apply woke to the right to break that message so that woke becomes something very specific that doesn't apply to him when he uses their tactics to take over the left.
phil labonte
When he first started saying woke red, I was thinking that he was just trying to talk about people that he considered like what would amount to fascists, and he just didn't want to use that term.
connor tomlinson
Well, he then said woke fascist.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, but he's obviously expanded it far beyond anyone that we did.
tate brown
Well, his attempt to intellectualize it was saying that any adherence to identity politics makes you woke.
tim pool
Except these people don't do that.
tate brown
Precisely.
tim pool
So what James Lindsay did, it's not working, by the way.
connor tomlinson
Politics is identity politics.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, but the point is, like, he was saying, hey, you know, woke people are saying like our people this and our people that.
There are some people on the right who do that.
And then a bunch of conservatives were like, hey, they are doing that.
And they think the Jews are the problem.
And then James Lindsay went, got them, and started grabbing random people who don't believe that and putting the label on them like alt-right was.
In the early days, alt-right, people believed that it meant like an alternative to mainstream conservatism.
They did not know that it meant white nationalist.
So a bunch of regular people were tweeting that they were alt-right.
They were like, yeah, because people genuinely use it to convey you were anti-establishment conservative.
Then the AP came out with a style guideline saying alt-right means you're a white nationalist and want a homeland for white people.
Retroactively, every tweet was then pulled up by the mainstream media saying, here's Mike Cernovich saying he's a white nationalist, despite the fact that's not what it meant.
This is James Lindsay's play.
Woke was just the tactics and the cult-like adherence they had for liberalism.
He knows this, so he needs to take that word, apply it to the right to create an enemies list using the exact same tactic, and then he can say, that's not us.
We're doing something different.
He's basically saying, I will try to destroy you.
And it's not working.
But this became very obvious early on.
When the first arguments were, Nick Fundes is woke right.
Why?
He believes that there are oppressors and the oppressed, and he thinks the Jews are oppressing him.
He's identified an identity group targeting his identity group, much like the critical race theorists did.
He found this similarity.
And then a bunch of conservatives went, oh yeah, I see what you're saying.
They do kind of act the same.
The problem is the argument that a powerful group oppresses a smaller group or an oppressed group makes you woke is overly simplistic because there's always going to be hierarchy and class.
Look at the lobsters.
connor tomlinson
This is the war of the Middle East.
If you're a minority group in the Middle East, you will be oppressed at some point in time.
tim pool
Indeed.
And so what we're seeing now is this list of people of varying ideologies being labeled woke when James Lindsay's true strategy is, I need to make it painful to defy my liberal orthodoxy.
connor tomlinson
It is really funny seeing like Yoram Hazoni.
tate brown
I guess I'm woke right now just by being there.
tim pool
Oh, Mary Morgan's on there.
There's Mary Robert Barnes.
I love this.
tate brown
They put Chris Rufo.
unidentified
Chris Rufo.
tate brown
It's like nice as guy.
tim pool
I love this.
Can we zoom in?
Oh, that's too much zoom in.
a good reading list like yeah this is just christian nationalists and any And he tried making the claim first that Christian nationalists were.
connor tomlinson
He actually said Stephen Wolf's book calls for Christian Fascism.
And then he admitted he hadn't read the book when he reviewed the book.
Just read a bunch of reviews about the book.
I read the book.
Look, I disagree with Wolf on a bunch of theology.
Like, he thinks that nations exist in the Garden of Eden, for example.
It doesn't make it a fascist.
tim pool
Brianna Morello?
I mean, and it's funny because Milo's like, there's not even an exhaustive list, right?
Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Woke right.
connor tomlinson
Oh, Carl had a great reply to this the other day, by the way, which I may or may not have slightly fed to him.
When James said, Oh, Carl believes in collective rights.
What are collective rights?
And he goes, Well, ask Israel.
If it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for my country.
Thank you very much.
If Israel's a homeland for the Jews, then it can defend themselves.
England should be a homeland for the English.
America should be a homeland for heritage Americans.
And Europe should be homelands for the respective Europeans.
Maybe even the Germans.
We might let them get away with it.
So that is what he got James on because Israel exists at the fault line of the post-war economic order as the contradiction to liberalism.
And I think, actually, you know, they've got a solid model of national sovereignty.
I just want what they have rather than the liberalism that James Lindsay is trying to enforce on my country, despite knowing nothing about it.
tim pool
Look, Homath.
Do you guys know Homath?
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Homath is an anonymous creator who is just talking about dating and like sex dynamics.
I don't think I've ever seen anything from Homath where he's talked about nationalism, Israel, collectivism.
He's literally just talked about typical, like with all due respect to Homath, a lot of what he makes is standard science of sex stuff.
Like if you read a book on human mating practices and stuff, he just draws pictures and shows it.
connor tomlinson
He's just David Boss with crayons.
That's it.
tim pool
He's woke right.
So yeah, it is kind of sad, but not really going anywhere.
I do bring this up, some people, if you're wondering.
Someone actually super chatted and asked about, you know, my thoughts on it.
The simple version is the effort Lindsay is taking by calling people woke right is classic wokeness when they called everybody alt-right or white supremacist.
It's like if they call me a white supremacist despite being mixed race, they called Larry Elder the white, the blackface of white supremacy.
They use a blanket term to insult a large group of people of disparate races and ideologies.
What they're really saying is it means bad guy.
Wokeness was the cult like adherence.
This is my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong.
And the idea was, don't be bad guy.
What's bad guy?
Well, if you're a right-winger, you're a bad guy.
But we're going to call you a white supremacist if you're a right-winger or far-right.
James Lindsay is using the identical tactic, but he's calling it woke right because he's trying, it's a word, it's an Alinsky game.
Accuse your opponents, you know, your enemies of doing what you're actually doing.
He's saying, woke right means bad guy.
And if you defy my orthodoxy, you're a bad guy.
connor tomlinson
Awful lot of Jews on this list of Nazis.
I just happened to notice that.
tim pool
I know.
Jack Pisobic.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tate brown
And the categories are so fluid.
I think you could put a lot of different people in a lot of the different categories.
tim pool
I just love that Mary's on there.
Sargon of Akkad.
I also love that Milo didn't put Carl Benjamin.
phil labonte
He put Sargon of Akkad.
You know, like they, he has Pat Buchanan up there.
tim pool
Wait, what?
phil labonte
Yeah, Pat Buchanan.
Paleo under the Paleochan.
connor tomlinson
Walt Freed.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, he does.
tate brown
Pat Casey's flattered to be right on.
tim pool
Hey, Joe Gonzalez.
phil labonte
And I mean, I'm not sure.
I know this is a list of people that Milo came up with that he says that Lindsay has called Woke Wright.
But I mean, part of the thing that bothers me most about what Lindsay has kind of been doing lately is that he has such a massive blanket term.
He's been using it as this massive blanket term.
And I think it is accurate to say, you know, basically it boils down to anyone that disagrees with him.
He starts calling them Wolk Right.
And it's like.
connor tomlinson
Smingo tactics.
That's it.
tim pool
And it's exactly what the left was doing when you defied.
So I'll put it like this, right?
I'm clearly like a moderate liberal kind of guy in a lot of ways.
Conservatives say Tim's not a conservative.
Milo said that I defy typical political definition.
And to these, to the woke, I'm far right.
And when people work with me, Gavin made an interesting point yesterday, and maybe he's correct.
I don't know.
He said, Ben Shapiro is a gateway drug, but it's people like you and me that make it okay for liberals to come and join the right because I'm not a suit-wearing, stodgy, you know.
Thanks.
He was making, he said, regular people don't want to be in suits in the office.
And this traditional conservative approach is off-putting to regular people who, you know, they don't live this way, right?
They don't experience that.
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but the reason why, I'll tell you something fascinating.
We work with people all the time.
We recently started working with a new contractor who told us almost immediately they got text messages from people saying, stay away from Tim Poole, watch out for him.
He's far right.
And the dude was like, yeah, I've hung out with him.
I've met him.
None of this is correct.
Why are you saying this?
The reason is, Ben Shapiro, they don't need to say anything about it.
Ben Shapiro will tell you he's a conservative.
He holds these views.
He has faith in God.
He's Jewish, pro-life, et cetera.
And they're like, he's already in a different camp.
But Tim Poole is a liberal guy who's going to call out all of our lies.
He's dangerous.
Stay away from him or else.
So these people get threats that they're going to lose their sponsors, lose their job for going anywhere near me.
Threats they don't get when they are seen hanging out with your run-of-the-mill conservative.
I think it's because the cult is scared that there are people who will call out their lies who are approachable by liberals.
A regular liberal says, I don't want to be conservative because conservatives are bad guys.
But Tim Poole's not a conservative.
So what do they say?
Tim Poole's far right, even though I'm not.
connor tomlinson
There's maybe an American thing as well, because you'll know this because you're kind of plugged into the UK scene.
There's no young equivalent to Tim.
There's no like skateboarding, beanie wearing, like t-shirt wearing guys.
They're all basically all like loudmouth trad caths in suits in the pub.
tim pool
Yeah, but Tommy is a working class guy.
Tommy's not that codes differently.
connor tomlinson
Like he's not in your box of where there's cross-pollination.
He's very much in the working class populism box.
There's no countercultural figure like you or Gavin, for example.
tate brown
I mean, like football hooliganisms as mainstream.
tim pool
Exactly.
Let's jump to this next story and call it the right.
We got this Nick Sorter.
phil labonte
Beware.
tim pool
Large accounts are being paid to attack Trump's tariffs on India to their MAGA audience.
Posts with the exact same talking points went out at practically the same time.
And of course, no disclosure.
Many of these accounts are foreign, don't fall for this.
So here's an account that says community notes and violations.
America and India should stand united.
Slapping tariffs on India over oil won't hurt Moscow.
It'll spike prices.
Blah, blah, blah.
connor tomlinson
Brown hands.
tate brown
Defiant L. Stain Hands type of this.
tim pool
We have Defiant L's saying India has always welcomed Trump with an open arms.
Hitting India with tariffs over oil won't punish Moscow.
connor tomlinson
Why are they all quote-tweeting Elijah Schaefer?
tate brown
It's a very salient question.
tim pool
Oh, that's interesting.
Did Elijah have a tweet about this?
tate brown
Yeah, he popped off with like a really pro-India randomly.
tim pool
I wonder the L is on me this time.
connor tomlinson
Defiant L's, same tweet.
tim pool
Which one?
connor tomlinson
Defiant.
Go down.
Defiant L's.
Quote tweeting Shafi'i.
tate brown
They all quote tweeted the same tweet.
And his was like a pro-India tweet, just kind of out of the blue.
unidentified
Weird.
tate brown
But I think he may have been.
tim pool
No, this is the same tweet.
They just said the L is on me this time.
tate brown
He's quote-tweeting what he said.
tim pool
Oops, I accidentally took money from a foreign lobby and attempted to undermine the U.S. My bad guys.
unidentified
Wow.
tate brown
This is exactly.
Remember when like a few months ago when they were trying to yank Coke off of Snap benefits and then all these random accounts?
tim pool
It's like, it's like, wait, you want people on EBT to get sugary drinks with ice cream cones?
Like, what?
Yeah.
These people are scumbags.
I'm going to pull up a list of all of them and call every single one of them out.
tate brown
Days.
tim pool
Let me see.
How do I search for this?
Because I was playing with a bunch of these accounts earlier.
connor tomlinson
I will say, though, that giving India internet access means that its reputation will now never recover.
The amount of things that online Indians have claimed to have invented, like spoons and the number zero, obviously not indoor plumbing.
It's just completely absurd.
tim pool
Here are the accusations that I'm not going to say are verified.
This is just a tweet someone put out.
It's got 1,500 WeTweets.
It's from Aesthetica on X.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, he's been doing good work recently.
Half a million on that girl with the knife and the axe.
tate brown
Yeah, he's good.
tim pool
Aesthetica says, list of paid propaganda accounts who took money to shill for India.
Gunther Eagleman, Election Wizard, Chuck Colesto, Ian On Patriot, Ryan A. Fornier, DC Draino, Matt Wallace, Defiant L's, and CN violations.
Am I missing something?
And you can see all of these people all of a sudden shilling for India.
I believe that they should be banned.
I don't believe that they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government, undisclosed to the American people.
I don't care who they are, their ideologies, or whatever.
I'm not playing stupid games.
I'm sick of people.
I don't know who, but there's going to be a lot of people who are going to be like, oh, but he's on our side.
I better not call him out.
Like, what if you won't interview him?
He's got a big following.
Don't care.
Literally don't care.
I'll be careful because I can't say definitively to any of these people.
Like, you got DC Draino here.
I don't know that he actually took money to post this.
He actually says El Salvador, the media wants to paint El Salvador, Argentina, India, et cetera, as problems, but the CCP is a true threat.
I don't know.
connor tomlinson
That's the line that everyone's been saying.
Can I just add a ZP is this?
tim pool
I want to clarify this.
connor tomlinson
I know India is a true threat.
tim pool
Okay, let me clarify this for DC Draino, who did not explicitly come out and attack Trump's tariffs on India, simply made a post that was critical of the CCP.
I want to make sure this is clear and sorry for interrupting, but I want to make sure we say this definitively right now, that it does not appear that he is in line with the other posts that we're clearly lobbying for India.
Just because he mentioned India doesn't mean he was paid to do this.
And I think it's important to make sure we say that because I don't want to accuse anybody of something they did not do.
Now, as for these other posts, the images we have, many of them outright were defending India and saying we shouldn't tariff them all at the same time.
And it appears that some other accounts have outright stated that they were lobbying.
connor tomlinson
So a little bit of context that I've heard from Washington whispers.
You know, the recent pipeline between posters and the administration.
Obviously, most posters noticed that as soon as that Sikh driver, the illegal immigrant, made the U-turn before they found out they had killed a Haitian family, they thought they were white.
And so there was a lot of anti-white hatred being emanated from the Indian subcontinent, these sort of things.
Ever since, you know, Vivek.
tate brown
Fundraisers, too.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, Vivek insulted American culture and said that actually working like a giant ant hive country is much better.
The sort of salience of India being a negative force has been growing.
And it was recently mentioned on NACON on Tuesday by Eric Schmidt, Senator, that the H-1B visa system is being exploited by Indians and that this should just be stopped entirely.
India should not receive any visas whatsoever.
I have heard that the Indians put in a very concerned call around the VC to try and butter up a few senators and congress people to try and get them to thwart this lock.
tim pool
What's the tariff that Trump is putting on India?
What's the percentage?
Do you know?
connor tomlinson
I don't know the percentage.
tim pool
Let me look this up real quick.
connor tomlinson
But there is a general trend away from divesting against India.
I know Israel's like cutting a deal with India.
tim pool
I mean, look at, I'm sorry, just look at this like politico.
We're at DEF CON one.
India bruised by U.S. tariffs cozies up to Russia and China.
Yeah, I agree that's not a good thing.
phil labonte
No, India, I mean, there's, you know, whatever many, 1.0, however many billion of them.
tim pool
Sorry, 50% is the announced tariff on Indian exports.
Because of what we just saw on X, I want the Trump administration to set it 75.
I want India to be punished for daring to insult the American people with this attempt.
Make the double the tariffs, Trump.
Put him at 100% and publicly state: if you try to pay personalities in our country to shill on behalf of you, because we, the American people, voted a man who's going to put tariffs in place, we will punish you twice as much.
Crank it up.
connor tomlinson
Tax remissances, too.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, everyone knows my opinion on remittances and immigration.
Well, I mean, I like I generally historically, I've had a favorable opinion of India.
This is like up until 1947.
No, I mean, like, but like, I don't think that India is as much of a threat as China.
I think China is a significantly saying that.
He said that just a few minutes ago.
connor tomlinson
No, I didn't.
No, I did, because I live in Britain, right?
India is entirely, like, ethnically captured.
phil labonte
Yeah, and so to you, to the UK, I get what you're saying, but to the United States, China is a far more serious country.
connor tomlinson
They are a military and economic foe.
Are Chinese nationals, other than students, of course, flooding your country with their co-ethnics?
Like, are they infiltrating sectors that Americans could do?
Are they, whenever one of their co-ethnics kills an American?
phil labonte
No, no, lobbying on the other side.
What I'm talking about is purely a geopolitical, not about an invasionary.
connor tomlinson
You can recover from a geopolitical foe.
You can recover from economic collapse.
You cannot recover from demographic replacement.
And the Indians are doing that.
So that is much worse a problem.
And there are far many of them, far more of them.
phil labonte
That's because the whole subcontinent was a British colony before.
And so the British feel like we owe these people freely.
connor tomlinson
Well, it's because we've got the 1948 British Nationality Act, which was passed by a bunch of socialists following the Second World War and post-colonialism, which allows them to vote in our elections even if they're not citizens.
phil labonte
Oh, that's a tick.
connor tomlinson
So Indians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, they can just come over and be like, yes, I'll just vote for the Indian.
phil labonte
That's a tough.
tate brown
There's also, I mean, there's a stat which is horrifying, which is they could distribute 10 million Indians to every country on earth and still have well over a billion people left.
connor tomlinson
At NATCON, there was a guy who was saying that, oh, he was on a panel about the threat of Islam in the U.S.
And he was yet again saying, oh, you know, it's just Islamists.
It's not, you know, the moderate Muslims aren't a problem.
For example, we've taken a bunch of Muslims from a bunch of countries.
We've taken in 0.1% of the population of India.
And I was like, you've taken in like 3 million?
30 million Indians?
Yeah.
Why have you done this?
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
It's just insane.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, like, their image is just in the, like, just from the toilet.
Yeah, from the toilet.
Yeah, because just like from the layman's perspective, when you see the videos and the interactions, these sorts of things, it's like, because before the internet, really just before Twitter in the last like 10 years and Instagram, like India was seen as this like mysterious, you know, oh, this like spiritual country, like the Beatles, India.
connor tomlinson
Indian immigrants were seen as a poo, like hardworking.
phil labonte
Right, yeah.
And then like, and that's, that was what I was referring to.
tate brown
And in all fairness, you know, I don't like to give the Canadians many W's because, you know, they're really, you know, they self-harm, unfortunately.
But the Canadians were like really leading the charge on the India, the India, because they got flooded like 10 years ago.
15, well, 15, 20 years ago at this point.
And it's like they saw immediately what the volume, what of like that massive of a volume of immigrants could do to your country.
And it's grim up there.
I mean, like the lines out the door for applications to apply like a coffee shop.
Like if you're a young person in Canada, you're completely cooked.
And I mean, it's yeah, exhibit A, really, for why you should, I guess why Indians are more of a threat.
connor tomlinson
The problem is en masse as well, like many countries from the third world, it's not just a problem of transplanting their culture because it's a deeply held privilege because of rates of cousin marriage in that part of the world, because of the clannish family networks, they don't think very individualistically.
They only extend moral consideration insofar as you're a member of their family, you're a member of their faith, you're a member of their shared ethnicity.
And so you aren't going to get the same civilization if you input that ethic and that ethnicity into America.
You're going to get India at the end of it.
You're not going to get a lot of Indians who act like they're Americans.
tate brown
Well, just ask anyone in tech, they'll say these listings, they list them exclusively for other Indigenous.
Like they exclude everyone else, not just like everyone else.
phil labonte
Western countries need to rethink their concept of immigration entirely.
And specifically, the UK needs to do it real soon.
And I think that it's happening over there.
I think that it's a good thing.
But even in the U.S., I mean, I want to see an end to immigration for like a decade.
We don't need to have any more immigrants for 10 years and all H-1B visas.
The only exception I would make is the 01 visas, which are actually really, really good asset type people to the United States.
tate brown
Yeah, there really should be country caps because we do have country caps on visas.
And it's like, if you are going to maintain a level of immigration, which should be, in my opinion as well, it should be frozen for an extended period of time.
It's like you do need to prioritize easiest to assimilate into the United States and prioritize those people.
And then it should shrink like a pyramid all the way down.
But I mean, I concur.
I think we need a moratorium for decades, probably.
tim pool
I think the public-facing plan economically is going to be everybody should be told to expect a population decline and what this is going to mean for businesses.
We need a comprehensive plan on how local communities are going to adapt to that now so that in five years we don't get the rug pulled out from under us.
connor tomlinson
Right.
tate brown
Well, I mean, and I've pointed out before India, for example, their fertility is dipped below replacement.
So it's like, just from a very liberal perspective, if you're using immigration as a stopgap for the birth rate, that's not going to work for much longer.
It's like 20, 30 years, India is going to start dropping in population.
So it's like you're running out of people across the world.
And I'm just being from a liberal perspective of like, they can't even use immigration to backfill the population.
phil labonte
What perspective was that?
tate brown
The liberal perspective.
The woke perspective.
No, so it's like, I mean, totally agree.
It's like, I mean, it's a stopgap for so long.
And yeah.
connor tomlinson
Well, the Bill and Moon the Gates Foundation released a study, I think it was earlier last year, and they said by 2100, there's only going to be six countries in the world, five in Africa, one in Asia that's going to have above replacement birth rates.
And so we'll just get all our immigrants from there.
That was genuinely the idea.
tate brown
Yeah.
So it's just utterly ridiculous.
And yeah, and it's really difficult for those countries to build as well when you're just taking like the entire bottom half of their country because we're taking all their like cheap labor away from them.
Like they're like, oh, they're sending, like, we're skimming the cream.
It's like, that's not what's happening at all.
Like, the elite are staying in those countries.
connor tomlinson
We're scraping the crust.
tate brown
Scraping the crust.
Yeah.
tim pool
I want to grab one more segment because we haven't gotten to this one yet.
And I'd like to talk to you guys about Floydgate.
connor tomlinson
I'm going to get arrested, aren't I?
tim pool
Floydgate.
Many of you may be familiar with ElsaGate.
So this is back in 2018.
And we've had different iterations of this.
This was back when there was computer generated.
Well, we'll start with the beginning.
People started to realize that if you made a half an hour long video where a woman dressed like Elsa, a man like Spider-Man, another man like Joker, and ran around doing nothing, you get millions of views.
This was called ElsaGate.
It eventually turned into computer generated videos that were very disturbing being sent to children.
The reason was that the algorithm was promoting Elsa, Spider-Man, and The Joker.
Children who could, you know, literal babies were having tablets put in front of them.
And because they couldn't control it, it was auto-playing all of these insane videos, which made people lots of money.
Now, a little while, I think it was like a year or two ago, but a while ago, Groipers and I guess other trolls on the internet made these AI George Floyd videos, which many of them, it's like, you know, just mocking George Floyd and Chauvin.
It was edgy.
It was meant to be offensive.
We are now beginning to experience what I am calling Floydgate.
Okay.
Now, you know, I've had people like, like Callum was telling me, oh, you don't know about, what is it called?
Like George Droid or whatever?
It's like, yeah, they do this.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
I'm not talking about videos like this.
Roll tape.
Wait, I got to refresh this one.
Here we go.
Here's George Floyd stealing fried chicken and running away.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
tim pool
From George Floyd.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Okay, so this video is Derek Chauvin.
tate brown
Yeah, with Ashton Hall video.
That's what's overlaying.
tim pool
So Derek Chauvin's got buckets of fried chicken and he is running, and George Floyd is chasing after him with those bramps.
Now, this has got 15,000 likes, which means it may have, you know, 100,000 or more plus views.
Now, of course, videos like this have existed for a while, and people say, no, no, it's him.
The trolls and the gripers, they've been making these videos.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
I know that.
Here's the context.
I want to show you Floydgate.
And this is Floydgate right here.
So let me play this video.
unidentified
Dada!
Good job!
tim pool
This is a really great example of what I'm talking about.
This video has got 1,000 likes, so maybe it has like 40, 50,000 views.
This is not a racist troll or a joke.
It's literally just a home video of a baby saying dada, and they used AI to turn the dad into George Floyd.
It is not making George Floyd break dance with Derek Chauvin.
It is not showing George Floyd and Derek Chauvin kissing.
It is literally just George Floyd watching a baby say dada and nothing happens.
My point is, on Instagram, there are videos like this with millions of views, hundreds of thousands of views.
And I believe what's happened is because of the SEO around George Floyd and Derek Chauvin, there are probably people in Pakistan, India, and Singapore or Malaysia or whatever who are like, if I want to get a big following, I'm going to make videos that fit with the algorithm.
These people probably don't know who George Floyd is.
All they know is search volume in the hashtags for George Floyd is probably in the tens of millions.
So they start making AI-generated George Floyd videos that are not jokes, that are literal random videos.
That's what ElsaGate was.
When the first videos of Elsa started popping up, computer-generated random garbage emerged that was nonsensical.
Videos of Spider-Man doing Tai Chi with Hitler, and it made no sense.
That's what we're seeing now on Instagram.
This is going to be really weird in the future because so many people are getting fed this algorithmic schlop, and their whole worldview is going to be built on videos of George Floyd as every character and every concept.
There was one I saw where it was like, I think it was like a fitness influencer just talking about like how to do reps.
It was a guy, and it was George Floyd.
And I'm like, this is not even a joke.
It's literally just a guy being like, you know, hey, I'm doing some reps today.
We're going to focus on, you know, the lift over here, blah, blah, blah.
And it was like 15 seconds long.
And I was like, that's not even funny.
connor tomlinson
That would explain the hashtags as well because the hashtags are totally incoherent.
So they've got George Floyd, California, Oakland, Trump, Martin Luther, not even King Jr., just the Protestant.
Drone as in this footage.
Yay, Drake memes, Kendrick AI shooter breathing.
Okay.
George Floyd, NFL, Europe, police brutality, Justin Bieber.
tate brown
Well, I think what's happening here, like this video was lifted from someone else, most likely.
This is like a account that just takes memes from people.
I think this is actually an American, well, Western phenomenon because I think this is Zoomer nihilism on full display.
I think that's what's going on because this is actually pretty funny if you're a Zoomer because it's like post-ironic.
George Floyd is basically the patron saint of the left.
So it's like, you know, you're going to get a reaction.
You know, it's like edgy and that sort of thing.
And it's transgressing every possible tool.
unidentified
But here's the thing.
tate brown
I think this is Zoomer nihilism on full display.
tim pool
I think we're beyond that.
And that's why I call it Floydgate.
I think Zoomer nihilism was when it was jokes, not when it's a random video of a baby saying dada or otherwise.
But more importantly, the reason why I also call it Floydgate is ElsaGate to a discerning adult was just weird.
But to babies, it was a component of their reality.
10 and 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds who are on Instagram don't know why they are being fed videos of George Floyd with a baby in a bathroom.
They weren't all they were.
I mean, how long ago was this?
This is like eight years ago or whatever or something.
Or is it five years ago?
So you're looking at 13 year olds, eight years old, and they weren't on Instagram.
Now they're on Instagram.
And they open it up and Instagram is like, here's George Floyd selling bottles of water on the side of the road.
And they're like, I don't know.
They don't know what it means or why, but they're going to grow up being spam-fed, these algorithm videos.
And now I will say this.
It's not just about Floyd videos.
It's about this phenomenon in general across all social media that we can't even recognize that kids are going to be fed.
That is to say, what ElsaGate was was just the beginning.
And now we are probably looking at 500 different versions of the same algorithmic schlop nightmare being fed to Gen Z and Gen Alpha, which is going to make their brains jello.
connor tomlinson
The reason why I know you're right about this is because even with early YouTube, the amount of slop content that I've retained in my brain, like I remember probably half of the epic rap battles of history catalog, even without me trying.
Like I'll get up in the shower, get up and shower in the morning and one will enter my head.
And I wish I didn't know it, but I do.
So now they're even, they've got even more incoherent crap that they're basing their entire frame of reference.
tim pool
I really want to stress one of my greatest regrets.
B-A-B-A up, down, B-A, left, right, B-A.
You know what that is?
That's the level select code for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 on the NES, which I have not played in probably 30 years.
phil labonte
That's actually the code for multiple of them.
tim pool
Actually, the Konami code is different.
It's like, you know, BA, up, down, B, A, left, or something.
But B A, B, A, up, down, B, A, left, right, B, A, start.
That is Teenage Mate Ninja Turtles 2.
It'll give you nine lives and level select.
I don't want to know that.
But I was like eight years old or whatever, and I wanted to, when I wanted to play the game, and this is probably only the course of a month that I played the game, but it's a long time for a kid.
So I was like, I got to memorize this so I can have the extra lives when I play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
I am now a 39-year-old man who has never forgotten that code.
Imagine if instead I was taught calculus and could talk to you about advanced mathematical theories or whatever it may be.
Well, that's the upbringing I have.
And most people learn things when they were kids.
They remember for a long time.
At least when I got a retro game, I got a bunch of these gaming systems.
I got a Nintendo.
I got one of those retro games where it can have NES, Sega, and SNES.
And I have to, I can play that and I know the code.
So it's not completely useless.
It's mostly useless.
What's going to happen to these kids who grow up memorizing George Floyd videos of nonsense or Elsa videos or otherwise?
And they're going to be 40 and they're going to be making jokes about George Floyd to people.
tate brown
Yeah, well, that's why this mechanism is called brain rot.
That's like, that's the, that's the definition of this style of humor is brain rot.
Like if I say this to you, baby Gronk rizzed up, Livy Dunn, does that like mean anything to you?
tim pool
A little bit.
tate brown
A little bit.
Like it, it's just something that you, it's just, it burned in my memory forever.
And it's funny when I hear it.
tim pool
And I George Floyd has 2.4 million posts on the hashtag.
2.4 million.
tate brown
It's brain rot.
Your brain is rotting.
tim pool
I kid you not.
It's all AI.
Here's George Floyd the gigantic nose and a yarmulke.
tate brown
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
An Indian is not capable of.
tim pool
I understand the trend of making the jokes.
tate brown
Maybe, yeah.
tim pool
Like, I'm not calling out the fact that people are like, haha, let's, let's use George Floyd as gags like that.
I'm pointing out videos like this.
There's a bunch of them that aren't even jokes.
That it's getting to the point where you're watching a video of a guy going through a drive-through and being like, I'll take a number one with extra ketchup, and that's it.
And it's George Floyd.
And you're like, people are just making anything now to hit the algorithm to get those views.
And why not?
Some of them might hit.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
tate brown
You get me.
tim pool
There's an MMA one, 7.4 million views.
1 million views on a guy in a Burger King hat yelling nit.
This is crazy, dude.
tate brown
Like, I feel like if I showed Tim my Instagram reels feed, it would be like a devastating moment.
I think you'd probably fire me.
Mona, like, it's bad.
connor tomlinson
Mona just docks donkeys and like sweet costs.
tate brown
Oh, mine is like this.
Basically, yeah, it's just variations of this.
connor tomlinson
I do think, I do think that the censorship was so culturally stifling for so long that now young white guys have absolutely nothing to lose.
So we make fun of everything.
tate brown
The boot is off our neck, quite literally.
phil labonte
Not only that, but the argument that I think this is a symptom of woke as well, because like, or a symptom of critical race theory and stuff.
The argument was: look, if you guys don't do these things, then we won't blame you for things that have happened in the past.
And then when critical race theory became kind of prevalent, it was like, oh, all you white guys are all bad.
You're no good.
And you're all racist and blah, blah, blah.
Even if they're like actively not racist, right?
So then they're just like, or young guys saw this and they're like, might as well be racist.
You know, well, I mean, what's the benefit from not engaging in these jokes?
They make me laugh and you're going to call me these names anyways.
There's no reciprocity in it.
It's like, oh, you can do, no matter what you do, you're always going to be bad.
So why should I try not to?
I can make these jokes.
They're funny.
They make me and my friends laugh.
tim pool
I actually have a quick question.
As I'm looking through all these George Floyd posts, one of them was political and talking about how Derek Chauvin is a political prisoner and should not be in prison.
How much of this is to drown out people who were making posts calling out the lies of the George Floyd riots?
You can't find it now.
When you look at the hashtag, there was one post where it was like Derek, it was breaking down why Chauvin, like why he shouldn't be in prison, what was wrong with the case.
But every other post is drowning out all those stories.
And we have an actual news story with a real political and judicial crisis in that George Floyd should not be in prison, but he is.
connor tomlinson
Derek Chauvin, not George Floyd.
tim pool
I'm sorry, Derek Chauvin.
tate brown
Well, both.
George Floyd showed, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Or George Floyd should not be in prison.
He's not alive anymore.
tate brown
Disavowed.
tim pool
But my point is, whether it's intentional or not, these memes are drowning out the people calling for justice for Derek Chauvin.
tate brown
That's a good point.
Maybe it's an op.
I don't know.
I think people just find it really funny.
connor tomlinson
It might be linked to the prior story where it's not dead internet theory.
It's just Indian theory.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, it's like Phil was talking about, like, there's also just a containment breach where the left can't cancel it.
They can't cancel people at a high volume like this, where like Tim said, there's a million George Floyd reels.
You can't cancel everyone.
So it's like, it's just a containment breach.
tim pool
It's not even about that.
It's like, bro, all of these videos on this one fly really wants to land in the microphone.
I'm going to let him.
tate brown
It's a woke fly.
tim pool
He just lands on the microphone.
All these videos that are just like racist humor, and a lot of them are the repeated jokes.
Okay, you guys talk while I kill this fly.
phil labonte
There's no guarantee that these people are even from the U.S.
These accounts could be made anywhere.
And because of the internet, not only can they be made from anywhere, but it's probable that things like George Floyd no longer are contained contextually to the United States.
tate brown
That's exactly what it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
It's like they could be, I mean, like people in Southeast Asia will get the joke.
tim pool
That was the point I was saying.
tate brown
That's exactly what it is.
tim pool
That's what I was saying about Malaysia.
They don't care about the joke.
They don't know.
All they know is they go into their bot farm warehouse and the guy says, we need to get 5 million views today.
Now, here's what they don't understand.
We, as podcasters and creators, we look at our content.
We're like, how many views did I get?
Our sales reps will be like, you know, hey, you're, you know, over the summer, you averaged 500, 600,000 views per episode or whatever.
So we can sell ads at this rate.
And we're like, okay.
And we do sponsorships that can range from like, it could be like 5,000, 10,000, or for live events.
Could be, we've done $100,000 sponsorships before.
Big numbers.
Based off of one company, small amount of employees.
What they do in India is they've got 500 employees in one room and they say, just get 100 views each, and we'll make $1,000.
That's a lot of money for these people.
So it doesn't matter on this post that may have only gotten 12,000 views.
It took them 10 seconds to make.
They don't know what the joke is.
All they know is there's 2.4 million George Floyd posts.
So people are attracted to that search term.
Make whatever you can, blast it out.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dead internet theory.
Yeah.
It's just probably like one guy made this and now they're all just lifting it from each other and reposting 70 million hashtags.
tim pool
I actually like what you said about India theory or third world theory.
They are bots.
There's 10 guys in Turkey operating 500 accounts, but it's largely the third world realizing that Instagram, well, I don't think Instagram is monetizable, but they can do sponsor sponsors.
You get cash from Instagram.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, if you get it.
If you pay for the membership theme, oh, right.
tim pool
But largely with like YouTube, with TikTok, there are ways to monetize and X, Axe, especially.
Remember that the post from those Indians where they're like happy payout day?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yo, Elon needs to ban these people.
It's literally turned into millions, but he probably likes the numbers.
He's like, look at the big increase.
Millions of Indians, Malaysians, and Turks are spam posting and responding to each other.
So what they figured out is they'll post, how are you?
And then they'll respond to each other nonsense to generate revenue.
And everyone in the U.S., all our revenue went down.
connor tomlinson
Because only verified engagement counts.
tim pool
Well, and verified accounts reporting to each other, then there's a finite pool of money that's coming into X.
A bunch of third worlders started creating all the replies and generating all the views.
And so the pool of money was spread out.
And now we in America who make real content are getting less money.
It's almost pointless.
I mean, revenue's way down on X and getting worse.
I think we need a region lock.
I should be able to go on X and say, don't show me anyone outside of these countries.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Well, yeah, with Instagram, it's even worse.
It's that they build the account up and sell it.
Like you can go to these black market Instagram buying pages or whatever, and there's millions of accounts listed on.
It's like, I have 20,000 followers, and that's what the price is.
It's crazy.
tim pool
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I know we went a little long.
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We got more culture war events coming up.
Tomorrow's going to be fun.
We're debating the deployment of the National Guard.
And shout out to Pisco Liddy.
I have no idea how he intends to debate me, who is from the South Side of Chicago when he is not.
But it'll be interesting anyway.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Shane H. Wilder says, I'm more concerned about the attacks on Christians by the left in general.
My parish was broken into five times, and we found out that it was people from Planned Parenthood at our protests.
phil labonte
Whoa, really?
unidentified
Jeez.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Geez.
St. Miles says America must liberate Britain and Ireland.
tate brown
So true.
connor tomlinson
I mean, we appreciate the interventions thus far.
Niger Faros was just actually over here testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee and he did compare us to woke North Korea.
And I think that's pretty apt.
tim pool
There was a campaign by UNICEF called Take Poo to the Loo, where they had to encourage people in India to use toilets because it is extremely common for people in India to just go where they stand.
connor tomlinson
Have you seen all of the Australian government announcement videos for Aboriginals by any chance?
unidentified
No.
connor tomlinson
There's an entire afternoon that you'll enjoy.
Basically, they'll explain.
So, one of them, one of them, we can watch them after maybe on the uncensored show.
One of them is an info video telling Aboriginals not to sleep in the road because there was an epidemic of Aboriginals because they're nomadic people just unfilling their blankets and sleeping on the road and just getting run over.
unidentified
What?
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
And there was another one, I think it was UNICEF backed.
There was a rap song by Aboriginals saying, Don't be rama-rama, don't sniff petrol.
Petrol belongs in a can because there was an epidemic of them sniffing petrol.
So the Australian government had to develop a non-sniffable petrol because the Aboriginals just got addicted.
tim pool
The sniffing?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like huffing?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, like smelling glue.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We're going to play those and learn about the plight of the Aboriginal in Australia or the uncensored portion of the show.
Please join us.
All right.
Xbox Lad says Trump should blockade the cities that don't want the National Guard there.
No one in or out of the cities burned down.
Omega Rosetta says Blair White is going to be big mad about this.
Blair already gave two cents about the issue.
And well, Blair doesn't agree that neither guns nor trans to be the issue.
Mental health, however.
Yeah, I don't think we should, I don't believe we should ban people from having guns.
The Second Amendment doesn't say the right to keep in bare arms shall not be infringed unless someone thinks you're crazy.
It says shall not be infringed.
There is the issue of due process if you commit a crime, but if we go in that direction, what's going to happen is liberals are going to get they're going to diagnose you when they feel like it.
You're going to get a city doctor who doesn't like you, who's going to say, based on the behavior this person's exhibited, I think it's fair to determine they are suffering from this ailment.
And then a cop shows up to your door and says, listen, the law says that if you are diagnosed, we take your guns from you and they will do it.
That being said, I don't want crazy people to have guns, you know.
But I do think it's a great move by the Trump administration because now it forces leftist organizations and liberals to go to the Supreme Court and argue on behalf of gun rights, which could open the door either way for a massive expansion of gun rights.
connor tomlinson
I think that's principled.
I do also think that if you think cutting off your meat and two veg is the solution to your mental problems, you probably shouldn't have a Glock 19.
tim pool
I agree.
If you are willing to self-harm, that I agree.
If you are documented as self-harming, then you are a threat to yourself and others.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but I would say that's everyone on HRT, everyone on cosmetic surgery.
tim pool
You know, I think that's not going to work.
It's going to have to be surgery.
And the reason why is Blair White, for instance, could just come out and be like, I'm not actually trans.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but he is, though.
Like, he's had lots of cosmetic surgery.
tim pool
It's the diagnosis.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Cosmetic surgery can't be the line at which you determine someone loses their gun rights.
It's going to have to be like the challenge is, of course, it will be weaponized by bad people.
It's not an excuse to stop bad people.
So the reality is, it doesn't matter what your laws are, so long as you have a moral people that are running your that comprise your population.
I always say this: if everybody in the United States had the exact same moral religious view of Seamus Coughlin, you'd need no police because people aren't going to steal from each other.
connor tomlinson
This is Aristotle's opinion.
The only thing that divides like monarchy and tyranny, democracy and mob rule, aristocracy and oligarchy is the virtue of the people that comprise the political system.
tim pool
And so, so long as we have a virtuous population, then absolutely we say ban guns from people who are unwell mentally.
But the fact that we have this debate over, oh, the left will do it to us, shows that our society is not virtuous and it's broken.
We should be able to say we don't want crazies to have a gun and have to worry about it.
All right, let's go.
Cup of Sooth says both your be gay and don't be gay boards violate Minnesota conversion therapy laws that's awesome.
tate brown
Can we put that in the disclaimer?
tim pool
Cannot ship to Minnesota.
Ah, we're allowed to sell it.
It's free speech.
tate brown
Real.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
What do we have here?
R. Sargent says, how do we not classify transgenderism as a form of schizophrenia?
I mean, these people are literally unable to mentally accept their own physical reality and are permanently mutilating themselves.
I think it's an interesting argument, actually.
If you believe you're a different biological sex, then you have a distorted view of reality.
That's an interesting argument.
connor tomlinson
Well, most the Tavistock clinic in the UK, the sort of infamous trans clinic, did a study of their own patients.
There's lots of other studies on this as well.
But they found that gender dysphoria is often a sub-comorbidity, like a symptom of other related mental disorders.
So it's an offshoot of having other things wrong with you.
tim pool
Interesting.
Well, I think that's why we see in the data people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoric who go on to get sex changes do not, happiness does not improve.
Because something else was causing the issue.
And usually what we hear is like, especially for teenagers, they're depressed over an issue, but told the solution is going to be a sex change, but it's not the solution to the issue.
connor tomlinson
Because desistance rates are between like 60 and 90% if you just do nothing.
tim pool
Yep.
And with suicide rates between 30 and 40%, that means by doing something, you are more likely to cause a suicide than by doing nothing.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
And detransition rates within the Tavistock clinic were up to 30% anyway.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
All right.
Here we go.
Millennial Mama says, please keep my 39-year-old brother Ryan in your thoughts and prayers.
He's a Navy veteran who stays active, and today he had chest pain, went to the ER and found out he has a blood clot in his lung.
Yikes.
connor tomlinson
Blimey, poor guy.
tim pool
Yeah.
Hope everything works out.
Heron Gaming News says, Tim, it's so good to see you.
I thought Ian took you to his spaceship and did experiments.
No, the best conspiracy theory was that I was working with Dan Bongino and redacting the 33,000 Epstein files.
I got rid of these.
It took three weeks.
Yeah.
All right.
Corbin says, the British critted Pakistan in 47, and now you are overrun by them.
Do you all regret it now?
Also, what is the opinion on the Sikh migration globally?
connor tomlinson
Okay, so the British Empire was fantastic for everyone else and terrible for Britain in retrospect.
Like it was a giant charitable enterprise preventing bride burning and slavery, but we ended up with Pakistanis running our home office and our politics.
So yeah, terrible idea.
If we gave them independence, I'd love to shut our doors to them forever, and they should basically all go back.
As far as Sikh migration, look, they might be charitable people and they're good warriors, but their religion doesn't belong in my country.
Pro-Khalistan independence movements don't belong in my country.
If you'd like to agitate for that, go elsewhere.
tim pool
Indeed.
What do we got here?
Tyrant God says the UK has also been arresting U.S. citizens for things they have said online on U.S. grounds upon arrival.
Don't fly to the UK.
Is that true?
connor tomlinson
He's referencing Graham Linehan's because he made those tweets while in Arizona.
tim pool
But he's saying they've also arrested U.S. citizens.
connor tomlinson
That's probably what he's referencing, because he probably thinks Graham Linehan is a US citizen.
unidentified
I don't think-When he added the word, also- I don't think.
tim pool
The context was we said Graham Linahan was from Ireland.
connor tomlinson
Yes.
tim pool
Made the tweets in America.
The super chat says they've also been arresting U.S. citizens.
connor tomlinson
He might have put citizens when he meant the fact that Graham Linehan has like a visa to stay in the U.S. as considering he's working.
I've never heard of a case of that.
I've never heard of a case of a U.S. citizen arrested for something they've said online in Britain.
Like we arrest like.
tim pool
Nigel Farage warned Americans.
connor tomlinson
Could be.
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
Because it sets the precedent.
We arrest 12,000 people a year.
At least, actually, sorry, because a bunch of police forces didn't give the data over when asked.
tim pool
Well, you know, it all went wrong with that Count Dankula guy.
connor tomlinson
Oh, R.I. Peter Buddha.
The dog died.
unidentified
Oh, really?
connor tomlinson
Dog died.
tim pool
Yeah, he was non-profit.
When Count made the BLM one, it's a much better video.
connor tomlinson
It's great.
tim pool
Yeah.
Because I love it when he's like, the music starts playing.
It's like, it's the Labour Party.
Oh, no.
I got to hide some books, and then he finds the Torah.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, the Quran.
Oh, they're going to be fine with that one.
He puts it back.
Did you watch his most recent video on why Indians keep getting hit by trains?
No.
Please watch it.
Right, okay.
So, so it's not just that they are status-seeking because of the caste system.
It's not just because they have low IQ and impulse control because of cousin marriage.
There is the word juggernaut comes from the Jagannath, which is a giant statue of a Hindu god on wheels.
They've been building this like once a year.
It's the only time that the untouchables would ever get to see their gods.
And because they believed that their karma was quite low, they would often throw themselves and their children under the wheels.
So there might be something in the Indian ethno-memory that just goes, oh, giant death machine.
tim pool
Their karma was low?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, because they're untouchables.
So if they make a sacrifice of themselves to a giant statue of their god, they'll be reincarnated into a better caste in the next life.
There's a New York Times article that's documenting him like seeing women just throw themselves under the wheels and getting mushed.
unidentified
What?
connor tomlinson
In like the 19th century.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Jeez.
tate brown
Yeah, there's like an absurd amount of them getting hit by trains.
Like they film themselves.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, there's a trend called kilfies.
Yeah.
There's just like Indian guys like smiling as a locomotive is just speeding towards them.
tate brown
It's insane.
tim pool
Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife says, very disappointed in Trump admin for the news today.
HRT and medicalization alone is not a good reason to ban gun ownership.
I don't mean anyone any harm.
I'm professionally managed working towards fixing my dysphoria and happy with the new me.
connor tomlinson
That sounds like a standpoint epistemology for me.
Yeah, sorry.
tim pool
I mean, I got to be honest, like, my attitude on guns is largely you cannot track any and like there's no way to create a comprehensive system that will stop bad people from having guns.
The idea that we're going to be like, mentally people, mentally ill people shouldn't have guns.
It's like, you know, we'll try to keep dangerous people from having guns for the most part.
But the reality is, you can't.
The only thing you can do is have a society that has guns itself and can stop bad people before they are.
phil labonte
I mean, look, pre-crime doesn't work, right?
Like, I mean, the idea that you can prevent crime or you can prevent people from carrying out crimes.
I mean, you can do things that'll deter it, but you're not going to be able to say you're going to commit a crime, so we're going to imprison you or take away your rights because we believe we can see the future.
You have laws and you have a justice system to punish people that have committed crimes.
But if you're going to live in a free society, it's really hard to say, we believe you're going to commit a crime.
We believe we can see the future.
You're going to commit a crime.
So we're going to take away certain rights from you.
connor tomlinson
But just in the same way that you would not, in a sane society, allow a heroin addict dying on the street to keep taking heroin, you'd put them in a rehabilitation center.
I don't think you should.
phil labonte
We're clearly not a sane society.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, I'm saying in a sane, in moving towards being prescriptive.
Don't sell guns to confused transsexuals.
Have empathy for their plight, like the super chat that's that's called in, but I don't think you should have a firearm.
tim pool
Doc Flamingo says, All hail His Majesty Sargon I and his Prime Minister Tommy Robinson.
connor tomlinson
Long live.
So Robinson, I don't think would ever be a government minister, but I think a healthy society would actually be to give him some sort of commendation to acknowledge the tiresome work he's done on the grooming gangs.
phil labonte
But would Carl be the king?
Would he accept that?
connor tomlinson
I think it would require too much time away from painting Warhammer miniatures.
tim pool
Although he wouldn't have a choice, you know?
phil labonte
Yeah, you don't get choice.
When the calling happens, your birthright's right.
tim pool
The house of Benjamin.
connor tomlinson
I don't think we know who the next Cromwell is going to be, but they will emerge eventually.
tim pool
I mean, Charles is an old guy, right?
Like, he's very old.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it's like mid-70s.
Yeah, he's not very well.
He's had prostate cancer.
And yeah, he's, if you can get lots of videos of him reading Quran versus he's an Arabist.
tim pool
He also gave Canada back to the indigenous.
connor tomlinson
Oh, the land acknowledgement thing.
Yeah.
tate brown
Like a Thursday afternoon.
tim pool
When the king comes and says this land doesn't belong to us and we're illegally occupying it.
phil labonte
His title is Defender of the Faith, isn't it?
unidentified
Faiths.
phil labonte
Oh, is it Faiths?
Is it changed?
connor tomlinson
He wanted to say it's coronation faiths.
And he keeps bringing loads of imams to Palace Property.
phil labonte
They hosted an historically defender of the faith.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it's meant to be.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
We're going to go to the uncensored show and learn about the plight of the Aboriginals in Australia and figure out why they're sleeping in the middle of the streets and things like this.
So smash the like button, share the show with everyone, you know, and head over to rumble.com slash Timcast IRL for the uncensored portion of the show, which will be up in about 30 or so seconds.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Connor, do you want to shout anything out?
connor tomlinson
Yes.
Connor Thompson on YouTube where you can catch Thomason Talks at 7 p.m.
UK time every Thursday.
Also, I write for outlets like Courage Media and The Critic, and you can find all of my links, content, and complaints about migration in the UK at con underscore Thomason on X.
tate brown
Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram and X at RealTape Brown and watch today's segment on the Culture War.
Interviewed the legend, Viva Fry.
It was a great, great interview.
connor tomlinson
Check that out.
phil labonte
I am Phil That Remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
You can follow the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lane is for crime.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
Thanks for hanging out.
All right.
We're playing EthnoGuesser.
So how to play the game uses anthropological data and humanphenotypes.net.
You will be shown male and female facial averages from a given ethnic group.
Your job is to guess on the map where they are from historically.
All right, nobody say anything.
Oh, so it's.
Oh, so.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, so you click, you basically go to places and you click the map where you think it is.
tim pool
Oh, but like, what's the hold on?
Really?
Just like this map right here?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, no, go up and press.
Go up and press play.
Play today.
Oh, no, hang on.
Go down.
Sorry.
Should be play today's game.
Go down.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Oh, so they're Asian.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And they'll be like Japanese.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, yeah, they look Japanese.
Wow.
Slightly longer faces.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and slightly paler.
A paler skin.
Now, which part of Japan is the question?
I don't believe it's Tokyo.
connor tomlinson
Nero Osaka.
tim pool
You think Nirosaka?
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
There's a little something going on.
tim pool
I was thinking more of the North, actually.
connor tomlinson
Oh, really?
Oh, because they might not be as round as sort of South Korea.
tim pool
Right.
And a little bit more pale.
connor tomlinson
Well, you might be able to.
tim pool
Maybe be like, you know, Soccata or Sunday.
tate brown
Dress of the work week on them.
tim pool
Let's just go with here.
connor tomlinson
Confirm.
unidentified
Sweet.
tim pool
Hey.
connor tomlinson
5,000 bullseyes.
tim pool
Wow.
Wait.
I bullseyed it.
connor tomlinson
You bulldozed it.
tim pool
Boom, motherfucker.
connor tomlinson
It's an addictive game already.
tim pool
Okay, so, but look, it was a pretty wide berth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And look at that.
Even actually in South Korea.
No shit.
unidentified
There you go.
Wow.
tim pool
It's called Cho Shu.
Oh, this is fun.
I knew because these are my people.
I am a Korean Japanese.
tate brown
Ancestral memory.
tim pool
Ancestral memory.
tate brown
Ancestors.
tim pool
So you could have got a lighter if you went into China, even.
But the one thing I think is important for a lot of people when they say like Asians look the same.
Not to me.
connor tomlinson
No, they don't.
No.
tim pool
Japanese people are white.
They have pale skin.
tate brown
Real.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then when you get into Southeast Asia, Vietnam, you get the darker Laotian.
They have a darker skin.
And yeah.
Koreans are round face.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, even in Squid Game, you can tell the difference between the North Koreans and the South Koreans.
tim pool
Ooh, see, I'm not good at this one.
I would.
connor tomlinson
Oh, that's like that's Romania.
Yeah, near Ukraine, Romania.
tate brown
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
You think Romania?
connor tomlinson
Maybe Georgia.
tim pool
I'm no good at that.
It could be Georgia.
connor tomlinson
I think Georgian.
tate brown
Cheeky Georgia there, yeah.
tim pool
So what do you guys think?
tate brown
How war-torn does the woman look?
phil labonte
Go with Moldovia.
tate brown
She's been.
tim pool
Moldovia?
phil labonte
Yeah, right there.
connor tomlinson
Moldova.
tim pool
Moldova.
connor tomlinson
That was a good bet.
tate brown
It's not going to be.
That's Romanian.
So it's just going to.
We have a two-in-one chance here.
tim pool
Well, that's Russia now.
tate brown
Yeah, true.
tim pool
I don't think it's Moldova.
You think so?
I don't think so.
tate brown
He looks like an Igor.
tim pool
Look at him.
I actually think this is closer to Georgia.
tate brown
Just click a random Uber.
tim pool
I actually think Georgia is probably a better bet.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
Because you can see that they have a bit of the, there's a Persian, Turkish kind of kind of.
But what do you guys want to pick?
connor tomlinson
You want to pick Moldova?
I said Georgia first, so I'll move on to Georgia.
tim pool
Georgia?
connor tomlinson
There is.
tim pool
Where is it?
connor tomlinson
It's down the literally red.
tim pool
I was looking at it earlier.
tate brown
Am I ready?
tim pool
Wrong.
connor tomlinson
Oh, look at Moldova.
phil labonte
Moldova.
tim pool
So recent.
It actually was Moldova.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
He's really good at this as well.
tim pool
You guys were right.
But look at that, even Italy.
connor tomlinson
I wouldn't expect it.
tate brown
Well, that's a heat map.
It's a heat map.
So dark red gives you full points.
connor tomlinson
Whoa, okay, right.
tim pool
Literally.
phil labonte
In Atlanta?
tate brown
I don't know.
connor tomlinson
I was going to say, I've seen thousands of these people in London.
Yeah.
unidentified
I think Atlanta.
connor tomlinson
Deep in the heart of Africa.
This will be.
tate brown
It's more Memphis, I think.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
phil labonte
So that's that's it's definitely not northern.
It's not Ethiopia.
They're not Kenyan.
tate brown
It's not West African.
connor tomlinson
It's definitely West African.
tim pool
I think, I agree.
It's not your sub-Saharan.
connor tomlinson
It'll be close to Ghana or like Burkina Faso.
tim pool
Senegal?
phil labonte
No.
tate brown
Cameroon.
He's screaming Cameroon.
tim pool
You think Ghana?
phil labonte
Check Nigeria.
tate brown
He looks like he speaks French.
phil labonte
Nigeria.
Nigeria.
tim pool
Yeah, I think he's Cameroon.
connor tomlinson
It looks French to me.
If it is Cameroon, it'll overlap with Nigeria, I think.
tim pool
Okay, are we going to get a vote on where you guys want to go?
tate brown
I'd go on the border of Nigeria and Cameroon.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, agreed.
phil labonte
I'd listen to Serge if you're African.
tim pool
He's African.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Angola, Cameroon, somewhere like that.
tim pool
All right.
phil labonte
Cameroon is Norman.
Oh.
Wow, way off.
tim pool
It's Bobo.
unidentified
He was a Bobo.
tim pool
He was Burkina Faso.
tate brown
Oh, he.
phil labonte
God.
No, my offense.
unidentified
Nigeria, I would have been in the red with the South America.
tim pool
Come on.
These are rainbows.
connor tomlinson
They've shot poison dalts out of there.
david pakman
Yeah.
tate brown
Indiana Jones hates to see these.
tim pool
Do we want to say Matto Grasso?
Or what do you think?
tate brown
Do we get avant-garde and go like Deep Brazil?
tim pool
Boa Vista?
phil labonte
Yeah, why not?
I don't have a strong.
tim pool
Right here in Amazonis?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, something like that.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
All right, close.
unidentified
Close.
tate brown
Amazonid.
connor tomlinson
Amazonid.
tate brown
You Amazoid.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
All right.
You know, the poison dark people.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Oh, Bob.
phil labonte
India.
Canada.
connor tomlinson
He was tweeting all the time.
unidentified
Toronto.
tim pool
I'm going to say Toronto, right?
connor tomlinson
London?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, but where in India?
connor tomlinson
That's like down quite low Indian.
tim pool
You think so?
tate brown
I think it could be Sri Lankan, you know?
That could be.
I mean, it's Tamil for sure.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, yeah.
It's the, yeah.
tim pool
So, do you want to say, like, um, that's exactly where Kampa the same tendicle?
Yeah, all right.
connor tomlinson
Hey, okay.
phil labonte
Oh, look at that.
unidentified
Bullshit.
phil labonte
Look at that.
tim pool
Nailed it.
tate brown
Very nice.
phil labonte
Very nice.
tate brown
I knew that's Tamil.
You can't hide from me.
I know a Tamil when I see one.
tim pool
I think it's funny.
I only got the Asians.
I'm looking at everything.
tate brown
Hear me out.
I think we're talking Central Asia.
Just hear me out.
phil labonte
I think they're talking.
connor tomlinson
They're like step people, aren't they?
unidentified
They are.
tate brown
You can see them on a horseback.
tim pool
It's going to be Kazakhstan.
It's probably going to be.
You can clearly tell they're like they're basically Russia Chinese people.
phil labonte
The Western clothing, like the Western collar throws me off a little bit.
tate brown
I think he's a Kurdist.
I think it's a Kyrgyz treasure.
Oh, no.
phil labonte
Russia.
connor tomlinson
No.
tim pool
To be fair, to be fair.
When we were wrong, we weren't that wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We're not far off.
Like, our score is actually not that.
connor tomlinson
It's like, you know, Siberian, though.
phil labonte
Oh.
tate brown
Papua New Guinea.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, you're probably not far off.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
Poipois, New Guinea, huh?
unidentified
Yeah, you're probably not far off.
tim pool
All right.
phil labonte
Yeah, I was going to say they look way off.
unidentified
India.
tim pool
Zero, bro.
You were so wrong.
phil labonte
I felt.
tim pool
These are Eskimos, right?
tate brown
This game fires me up.
connor tomlinson
These are.
Are they made out of rock?
I mean.
tim pool
These are Eskimos, yeah?
tate brown
These are like...
phil labonte
No, I'm going with South America.
tate brown
I don't know.
phil labonte
America?
unidentified
This is a.
connor tomlinson
I'm pretty sure I fought these guys in a JRPG.
tim pool
All right.
Chile?
tate brown
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I don't think they're Eskimos.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
phil labonte
Definitely not Argentina.
tate brown
I don't see any fall down.
connor tomlinson
Are they not Peruvian?
tate brown
Do we see any blubber around their mouths?
phil labonte
I would say like Peru maybe.
connor tomlinson
Should be an Argentina.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what?
Based on her hair.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
We're confirmed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
I guess so.
tim pool
Okay.
unidentified
Oh, look at that.
Fugoids.
tim pool
It was Chile.
phil labonte
I was right there.
tate brown
They're fugoids.
tim pool
We could have done Chile.
I was right the first time.
This has got to be like India, right?
tate brown
Oh, no.
I was thinking Central America.
unidentified
No, no, no.
connor tomlinson
She looks Indian.
tim pool
Look at the clothes.
Look at the clothes.
connor tomlinson
But just the facial structure.
She looks Indian.
I would say Haya India.
tim pool
That's what I was thinking.
connor tomlinson
They're like Brahmin cost.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what do you think?
New Delhi?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, New Delhi.
unidentified
Doom.
Whoa!
phil labonte
Straight up Mexico.
tim pool
Straight up Mexicans, dude.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I saw that one on the Mexicans, right?
connor tomlinson
Are they?
No.
No.
They're like Mongolian steppe people.
tate brown
These are like Mongols.
Yeah, these are Mongols.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
tate brown
It has to be.
phil labonte
No.
What?
tim pool
And we're Inuit.
Damn.
tate brown
That's who's going to stop us in Greenland.
unidentified
That's it.
connor tomlinson
That's it.
That's today's game.
tim pool
Wow.
So is it the same people every time?
connor tomlinson
No, it mixes up every time.
They use procedurally generated faces.
tim pool
Oh, no, no.
unidentified
Shame.
connor tomlinson
I'm saying like every day.
Each day they do a new one.
tate brown
And this game gets me fired up.
tim pool
I'm going to go ahead and say it's the gangdong.
See?
tate brown
That was a good shout.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we already knew the answer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Now, let's.
This is our first time playing ever.
tim pool
Let's pull up the aboriginal thing.
How do I find that?
connor tomlinson
Oh, I sent it to search.
tim pool
You posted it.
tate brown
I'm so glad you brought this up.
This is one of the greatest stories.
tim pool
Don't sleep in the road.
tate brown
This is amazing.
connor tomlinson
You got to play the music as well.
Yeah.
tim pool
We got it.
unidentified
Got it.
connor tomlinson
There was an epidemic on it.
tim pool
But, like, why?
unidentified
Hey, what are you doing?
Don't sleep on the road.
What the fuck?
tim pool
Do they have these for South Africa where they're like, stop raping children?
unidentified
I wish.
I wish.
tate brown
Oh, London.
tim pool
You can't cure yourself of AIDS by raping a baby.
tate brown
They promote it, I think.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, stop, stop.
tim pool
Wait, is there another one?
connor tomlinson
Pickaxe.
Yeah, that's my song about sniffing petrol.
unidentified
That's great.
tate brown
That's so good.
connor tomlinson
Bear in mind, Australian, some Australian hackstars are going to do this.
It's a golf, actually.
Let's fuck it.
unidentified
Hey, grab my face.
Boom!
tim pool
Yeah, come on.
tate brown
Open your hands.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
Oh, yeah, like little.
unidentified
Yeah, like this.
tate brown
He hits somebody and he goes like laughing.
connor tomlinson
Wait, sir, I've got to send you another one in a minute as well.
tate brown
I'm getting so much foam on it.
unidentified
Don't sniff petrol from the camera.
tim pool
Wait, I got a better one for you.
unidentified
In the car, it stays.
tim pool
A better one for you.
tate brown
Can we cover this, please?
This could be my big break.
unidentified
No.
Oh, dude.
connor tomlinson
Oh, this is horrendous.
I've always hated this one.
tate brown
That's just for this.
No guesser, but my PSAs.
connor tomlinson
Bear in mind, roll all text money went for this.
This was the UN.
tate brown
Oh, gosh.
unidentified
Bro, my God.
tim pool
Can you play the song?
unidentified
I see a pile of shit staring at me.
I close my eyes, I step away.
No matter where I go, there's no getting away.
Oh, my God.
This is.
tate brown
This is my new nightmare, bro.
unidentified
That's terrifying.
tate brown
Yeah, I've seen enough.
800,000 XPs.
tim pool
I'm going to upload this song to Suno.
connor tomlinson
Saj, have you seen the other one?
tim pool
We're going to make a metal core version.
unidentified
Yes, please.
tate brown
Can we get like polka?
tim pool
I'm going to use Phil's voice from one of his songs.
phil labonte
Awesome.
connor tomlinson
Constipation Scream.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's bring the callers in.
We got A. Ray.
A-Ray, what is up?
unidentified
They're unmuted.
It's Andrew, but that's the handle there.
phil labonte
Hi.
unidentified
Greetings, everybody.
Question for the panel.
Thanks so much for letting me on.
In your own life, career, talking about meaning in this generation, how necessary for you was a feeling of calling, purpose, destiny, you know, contributing to your success?
And for those who are still kind of adrift, who do you feel in culture community should like take on the personal responsibility for helping people find that?
tim pool
All good, strong men as an obligation of everybody.
Yeah, I don't know.
Us, you they them?
connor tomlinson
I feel like most men need a reason to get up and be able to justify looking themselves in the mirror in the morning.
And so if you're capable of living by your own conscience and doing that, then you're probably doing the right thing.
tim pool
Are you referencing that video I put up earlier from about the music video?
unidentified
With the doggone will of the people or different ones.
tim pool
No, no.
I have a new channel.
It's at Tim Pool.
I'm going to put random, whoever knows what the fuck when I feel like it, but like I did a commentary on PBD got 200K, which is massive for us.
It had small channels.
unidentified
I had actually just seen that PBD where someone was talking about intrinsic motivators.
And that's my concern.
It seems like people who are successful kind of dismiss the whole calling and destiny intrinsic motivator thing.
Go ahead.
tim pool
I did a video on this at Tim Pool, 24,000 subs.
On Haley Williams.
She's the paramore singer.
She has a new video out.
And she has an album that came out called Ego, Death at a Bachelorette Party.
And the song is called Glum.
It's the first song.
And I'm just making some inferences here, but Ego, Death at a Bachelorette Party.
And then she says in the first line, In the wake of your sunshine, I've never felt so glum.
One of the last verses in the song, or it's like the bridge, she says that I'll paraphrase it.
I don't need to sing it.
She's 37 and she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing here or if she'll even ever understand or know.
And is that normal?
And I'm like, sounds like you went to a bachelorette party where you saw someone getting married and having a family and then you got super depressed and you don't know the purpose of life and you're in your mid to late 30s, which is kind of scary.
But like that whole video, it's 20 minutes long.
I'm basically talking about exactly what you're saying.
Millennials are listless and unmotivated and don't know why they exist and that is not normal.
So like, that's basically the point of the commentary.
She's like, is this normal?
I'm like, no.
Literally for tens of thousands of years, people always knew their purpose.
They had families and communities and they worked towards the will of God or the creator, whatever faith system they had.
It is only recently with this mass explosion of secular atheism and liberalism where people are like, I'm in my mid-30s and I have no idea why I'm alive and they're depressed and nihilistic.
That is not normal.
So how do we reverse this?
unidentified
Strong men must make good times.
tim pool
Or I guess to be honest, like these people will just slowly die off.
unidentified
You mentioned the religious aspect.
Do you know that that was actually a part of the Jewish faith with the Ten Commandments?
There was a weekly commandment to find meaning, that the word, one of the words for work, was a direct corollary to finding meaning and purpose.
That was a weekly commandment for that culture for thousands of years that you can't even rest.
You can't imagine resting unless you felt a sense of meaning throughout the week.
tim pool
I think I basically say in the, watch the video if you want to watch me talk about music video and like the millennial, you know, the general idea is, does she, as a celebrity, aging millennial who my understanding, I don't know anything about her, but I'm assuming like unmarried and childless like so many millennials.
Does she actually feel this way or is she just trying to tap into the millennial nihilism, which the market and the music industry knows they can profit off of?
That's not to besmirch her reputation.
I'm saying if you're selling, you know, a product, you're going to sell the product people want to buy, like chocolate ice cream, not spinach ice cream.
So are millennials so dejected and broken that they're basically like, this resonates with me and I want this?
connor tomlinson
They want corumination.
They don't want to be reminded of the poor choices.
tim pool
Yeah, they want to be told it's normal that you're listless and nihilistic.
They may just die.
They're not going to have kids and they'll cease to exist.
There you go.
unidentified
Well, I appreciate it.
I appreciate you calling attention to it.
I know Gallup organization called 1,500 people for four years and only about 12 to 13% of people on a good day felt connected to the work that they were doing.
So this has been going on for quite a while.
tim pool
Yeah.
But to answer your question simply, it is our responsibility to instill in everyone and all around us a sense of purpose and drive.
And the point I made in that video is basically, your purpose is really simple.
You have divine mandate.
God tells you what to do.
I'm not saying Christian God.
I'm saying human life exists for a reason, and you must continue to be the best that you can be.
We can look at it logically.
All life acts as negative entropy so long as they're in a greater entropic system.
You will organize things into complex systems.
So clean, create, build, and have kids.
That's what life does.
When you deviate from that, you are unhappy.
connor tomlinson
Also, if you don't derive actual meaning from your work, and I do, but it can get a bit depressing sometimes given the state of my country, find something else meaningful, constructive, wholesome to do outside of it.
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