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The Trump DOJ is planning to ban transgender people from owning guns following the mass shooting in Minneapolis, which uh has got a lot of people split.
There's of course the staunch to a right saying, I don't care, you can't do this.
Conservatives are saying, uh, if you're mentally ill, you can't have a gun.
And that is the debate.
However, consider this, my friends.
Will liberals take this to the Supreme Court?
If they do, the Supreme Court will expand gun rights because of liberal arguments.
And if they don't, they abandon the transgender activism.
This is a I think this is a political move by the Trump admin, knowing they're putting Democrats in an impossible situation.
So we're gonna talk about that, and then we got oh man, probably the craziest story.
In Chicago, a celebration of Mexican independence has been canceled because Trump is sending in ice.
Let me just stress that again.
They said they are concerned about the safety of the attendance of Mexican Independence Day ceremonies because of ice.
So people here illegally celebrating independence for Mexico.
Yeah.
That one's pretty funny.
And Donald Trump is going to rename the Pentagon, the Department of War.
And then we gotta talk about uh Graham Linehan in the UK.
We did talk about this a little bit the other day.
For those that aren't familiar, this is a famous comedian.
He made the IT crowd, Father Ted, a couple other shows.
And he's very he's very well known.
He got arrested in the UK for tweets he made in the United States about transgender individuals in activism.
Now here's something that I had missed initially in the story.
He's not even a British citizen.
He's Irish, and the tweets were made in the United States, and the UK arrested him in the UK.
So this is crazy.
unidentified
And now I I I'm gonna say this guys.
tim pool
I I honestly I think we won.
I mean, I know a lot of people don't want to admit it because there's still like some deep state plays, but I'm sitting here on Instagram, and Instagram is recommending these videos with millions of views, and it's just AI generated Videos of people making racial slurs and like outright racial humor.
And I'm just thinking to myself, how is Instagram allowing this right now?
I mean, we have the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction.
Now we've uh we got another story.
David Pac-Man, prominent liberal, he left the left.
He did he did.
I mean, he's like playing it lukewarm, saying he's only been somewhat red pilled, but he's outright, like there's I this is not we're not part of the save same movement.
These purity tests, they don't actually want to work and uh a win.
And I'm just thinking to myself, like, wow, when David Pac-Man is pulling an Anna Casparian, Anna Kasparian already pulled an Anna Kasparian, which is a mini Dave Rubin.
How do they win the midterms when they're losing their prominent personalities?
I think uh man, I think we really crushed them in this regard.
But we're gonna talk about all that and a lot more.
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connor tomlinson
Hello, sir, good to be back in a functioning country out from under the iron curtain of the UK.
tim pool
Man, they rested a foreign national comedian, celebrity in your country.
You guys are nuts.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, we I'm sure we're gonna go through plenty of that, including uh Nigel Farrols, the impending next Prime Minister of the UK testifying for Congress this week as well.
tim pool
I mean, that you think he'll be the prime minister?
connor tomlinson
Uh current polling suggests it.
Uh he might he might get knocked off course in terms of uh policy if he strays leftward.
However, uh it looks like he's got a one some generation ability to disrupt the unit policy.
tim pool
So uh who are you?
unidentified
What do you do?
connor tomlinson
I am the host of Thomas and Talks on YouTube.
I'm a senior contributor to Courage Media.
I co-host deprogrammed at the New Culture Forum, and I tweet at at con underscore Tomlinson and I tweet nothing on behalf of India, unlike all of your conservative influences.
tim pool
That's another another big story we're gonna be talking about.
Tons of prominent personalities on the right, all tweeting in favor of not uh of stopping they want the Trump admin and not tariff India.
And some of them deleted these tweets.
It appears that they are paid on behalf of India to lobby for India.
I say ban them all, but we'll talk about that.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Uh, producer Tate.
tate brown
What's up, guys?
Tate Brown here.
I I'm a little upset I didn't get a uh get a recommendation from India.
I mean, I've been known to knock back some butter chicken every once in a while.
So the fact that I didn't get uh I didn't get a you know an offer, it's a little disappointing.
tim pool
I think butter chicken is British, actually.
unidentified
Yeah, it could be, but I don't know, maybe Chicken Tickamasala's British, isn't it?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but you know, we have the recipe, they can leave.
tim pool
So good.
unidentified
Perfect.
tim pool
We actually we got Indian food.
This is this is the important thing to say, guys.
Orange chicken, American.
It's true.
Uh chicken tickamasala, Scottish, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's Scottish.
connor tomlinson
It is.
tim pool
Yeah, Glasgow.
Is that what it was?
tate brown
Yeah, Glasgow, yeah.
It's a great city.
Fantastic city.
tim pool
I heard the Scots invented fried chicken.
connor tomlinson
That wouldn't surprise me.
They've been in the moss balls.
Yeah, they fry it.
tate brown
They'll fry.
It's like we get so much flack for frying stuff, and then you go to Scotland, it's like a nightmare.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but that's because you guys do it in seed oils and give yourselves cancer.
tate brown
True, they do a beef tallow fried Mars bars.
It's a beautiful thing.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
That sounds great.
Phil's here.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Philibonti.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, all that remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the big news from the independent.
Trump looking to ban transgender people from having a gun and declaring them mentally ill.
Oh boy.
The DOJ is reportedly considering a proposal to restrict trans Americans from possessing firearms, making a dramatic reversal of the Trump admin's pledges to preserve Second Amendment rights while escalating the president's attacks against trans Americans.
The proposal, according to CNN, comes in the wake of a mass shooting in Minneapolis Catholic Church, allegedly committed by a 23-year-old trans woman, which has fueled conspiracy theories and right-wing outrage.
Baselessly alleging trans people are predisposed to commit violence.
Indeed.
Since taking office, Donald Trump has issued a series of directives targeting trans Americans, including an executive order that erases federal recognition of trans people and other measures that restrict gender affirming health care and bans trans athletes from competing in women's sports.
The DOD has also forced out thousands of trans service members.
Trans people are not linked to higher rates of violence and the overwhelming majority of mass attacks are committed by cisgender men.
connor tomlinson
Well, which ethnicity of cisgendermen.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
So I I had a I I love Chat GPT because it's basically an establishment machine where you can test the perception of the establishment.
And so when this happened, I I asked, I set the story.
I took the link and I posted it in ChatGPT.
Without saying anything, just sharing the story.
It responded with trans people are not more likely to commit mass shootings.
I asked it, how come several of the previous uh of the latest most recent mass shootings were committed by trans people?
And it then said white cisgender men commit more mass shootings than any other uh demographic.
And when I asked it about black men, it said when black men in Baltimore, St. Louis, Chicago, and DC commit mass shootings, and they do commit a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings, those don't count because they're motivated by poverty, whereas white cisgender men are motivated by mental illness issues or political causes.
phil labonte
Insane.
tim pool
Which is like, okay, well, now you're m lying, but that's the narrative machine.
The reason why ChatGPT says this is because our news institutions will say cisgender white men commit more mass shootings.
And when you go, what about the black community in Baltimore and DC, where there's a disproportionately high amount of mass shootings, and it and then the mainstream media just says, well, due to due to poverty and other factors, we don't consider those.
Our experts have decided those aren't the same thing as a mass shooting, and it's like it is.
But uh back to the story, I want to say this.
I am I this is this is one of the smartest things the Trump admin has ever done.
This is a master move.
It is um it is akin to a fork in chess.
You ever see one of those beautiful moves where you got the rook in the bottom left corner and their king, and you put the bishop and they're in check, and now that's like you gotta move your king out of check, and they do, and then boom, bishop takes the rook.
That's what this is.
De Democrats and liberals have two choices.
They can decide to go to the Supreme Court to defend the right of trans Americans to own guns, and I agree they should be allowed to own guns.
Which means Democrats will be forced to argue in favor of gun rights, which are gonna be real tough for them.
Or they're going to have to abandon trans uh as a demographic.
They're going to have to outright say, we're not going to go to bat for you in this process.
You just lose your rights to have guns.
connor tomlinson
You are presuming that they will not continue to live with crippling cognitive dissonance.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
I said they're going to have to fight on our behalf or abandon.
So I don't care what Their motivation is.
I don't care what lies they want to want to say.
I don't care what claims they want to make.
When liberals and the ACLU and Democrats go to the Supreme Court and say, um, you can't ban trans people from having guns.
The Supreme Court then says, you're right.
Everybody can have guns.
connor tomlinson
I think chat's gonna hate me and accuse me of being uh a communist European or something.
I say this, oh well, you know, well, we invented American liberty, that's fine.
I'm happy that you guys to get to retain it, even if my country doesn't.
But I think it's entirely consistent with having a republic capable of guaranteeing its own security with an armed citizenry and banning crazy demented transsexuals from owning firearms that they will use on people other than themselves.
I think that that is completely consistent.
Um yes, there's lots of fear about the government just arbitrarily classifying people as mentally ill and confiscating your guns.
phil labonte
Um they'll do that anyways.
connor tomlinson
They're gonna do that anyway.
You can put you can put reasonable limitations on who should and shouldn't own firearms, including the people like you know, Audrey Hale or that Dylan Butler person in Iowa or this brand new uh trans chooser who just hate Christian children and want to murder them en masse.
phil labonte
The people that make the argument, oh, you can't do this because then the left will do it to you.
We've already seen that the left will do it regardless of what the right does.
Now that this particular issue aside, right?
I don't know if it's actually the right move to say trans people can't have guns.
I think there's probably case-by-case uh you know, case by case decision.
Um I don't think that everybody that's that's trans is likely to go and shoot up a church.
I think it's it's far more likely if they're immersed in the LGBTQ ideology, and there are probably other factors.
I don't think that a blanket ban would work, but that doesn't mean that you know I'm I'm also not you know gonna sit there and be like, oh, we can't do this because the left will do it to us.
Because that's not an argument.
They're gonna do it either way.
If they if they had the option, if they had the ability to remove guns from the the pro from every private individual in the United States, they absolutely would.
So to say that, oh, you can't do this to trans people because they'll take your guns, if they get the chance, if they have the ability, they're going to do that anyway.
tim pool
The other thing to consider too is that we have continually tried to maintain this classical liberal approach to we must protect the rights of everybody, even our enemies.
And what we've learned is that communists have exploited that for the past several generations to burn us to the ground.
So my attitude's shifted, and I'm more like if you're in favor of gun rights for all and you've you've fought for the protection of 2A and 1A, I'll I'll defend you as well, regardless of you know what economic system you want.
But if you're a commie who's tried taking guns away from other people, when they come for your guns, I'm gonna put my feet up and say I am helping you.
connor tomlinson
I have the same mentality with everyone I meet.
You treat people as well as you can the first time you meet them, and after that, you treat them as they treat you.
Otherwise, if you don't apply a principle of reciprocity, you get exploited.
I will just say before uh uh Tate chimes in, um, I think that if they're gonna do this, it won't be on the diagnosis of gender dysphoria strictly, because then you'll have you know people with depression or history of depression having their guns taken away.
It might be that people are on currently HRT in the same way that it exacerbates violent symptoms, something like SSRIs or testosterone replacement does.
tate brown
Well, yeah, even then, I mean, even there there even is an argument.
This is kind of like it's the same argument we had the flag burning is like if you don't do look at the founders' view on these sorts of things on the second amendment, is they did have the English common law tradition of lunatics.
It's like the the second amendment is predicated on responsible gun ownership, and that's why you had an early colonial governments and early uh state governments' restrictions on like felons, on uh on loyalists, ironically, which is pretty funny, and then lunatics, because it was like there was this understanding that this is this is a protection of responsible gun ownership.
So there's a I think it's a perfectly valid question for the Trump administration to ask is okay, these people clearly aren't responsible.
And the the fact that they're not predisposed to violence, it's like, well, they they're predisposed to violence against themselves.
We see that on a very regular basis.
So it's like I don't I think there's room here for this for this argument that Trump's administration is making just on cl uh on constitutional constitutional grounds.
phil labonte
Um it's funny you mention uh HRT because uh I saw that the Department of Defense or the Department of War, the future Department of War has started looking into uh testosterone and steroid use for the special forces.
They're not actually as against it as they used to be.
Like, maybe we should start testing to see if this is actually gonna help the guys out.
connor tomlinson
But that's fine if you're pointing the guns at a bunch of jihadists in the desert, but if you're pointing at a school bus, it might be uh I I want super soldiers.
phil labonte
I like if the if the if the D boys want to do juice, let the D boys do juice, okay.
tim pool
Well, so here's an argument then like when we have serial killers, why don't we just pair drop them into enemy nations?
connor tomlinson
Um, yeah, that's not actually a bad idea.
tate brown
I mean French Foreign Legion does that.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tate brown
They really get like psychos from around the world and just put them in an army.
It's awesome.
connor tomlinson
It's like suicide squad.
Yeah.
tate brown
You just go to like the guys from West Africa that are like hardened criminals and they go to the French Foreign Legion, go back to West Africa and just settle score of like 10 years.
That's hilarious.
connor tomlinson
That's why Britain was so peaceful.
Like you had about one to two percent of the population axed every year via hangings, and then the rest of the crazy people went into the army and then either administered in the Caribbean or got blown up.
Um there you go.
It's a sensible way of doing it.
tim pool
It's getting crazy.
connor tomlinson
Though to be fair, the Trans Battalion, if you did have one, they would take like 40% casualty before you engage the enemy.
So I don't think it's a sustainable strategy.
Yeah.
tim pool
I um man, I think you know, we are talking about we're we're in the off season for for for everything, uh political and news related, the election cycle's over.
It's not just that the election cycle is over and we're on off year.
After Trump uh lost in whatever way you want to say he lost in 2020 one, we did not have nearly the kind of apathy and drop off in politics that we're seeing now.
And I think the reason is I think we've won substantially more than we realize.
You're saying Nigel Farage is going to be the prime minister.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, that's that's a that's a hard swing.
connor tomlinson
It's it's a hard swing, definitely.
Uh I I don't think it's any doubt as to whether or not Nigel Farrell is going to win the next election, barring unprecedented and unforeseeable political circumstances.
However, the manner in which he wins is questionable.
The last time I was here, we were discussing the fact that reforms seem to have been tracked software on things like mass deportations.
And uh when we discussed that, it got a few hundred thousand views, and I uh happen to know now that Nigel Farage has been, after a year of denouncing them, he's now said I am in favor of mass deportations.
Now he said he's not gonna do the Tom Homan approach, and he said he's only gonna deport men who are criminals.
He's not gonna deport the families with them, which is obviously a problem because then if you deport a guy's dad, he's gonna then, especially if he is of the uh Islamic faith, become radicalized in your own country and be radicalized against you.
So you do actually have to send all the families with them.
And now you've got the Conservative Party leader in waiting because they're gonna axe that the current Conservative Party leader replacing with Robert Genric, who's come out today and said, We need a decade of net emigration, and I will deport every single legal immigrant in the country.
So you're getting an arms race in the UK now as to who is the most credible to copy Trump and conduct mass deportations.
tim pool
I will stress you know, so basically the point was you know, everybody in the political space is seeing a decline in viewership.
One of the reasons why we've been working on the Culture War podcast over the past several months is because we understand that news uh people don't need news anymore.
Everybody already knows.
It's like and when it comes to news commentary, there's too much, and so we need debates and spaces.
So viewership is not across the board for everybody, but it's not just that we're in an off season, it's that we have ta made such tremendous gains.
There's no more fear and silent majority like we used to have.
It's it's not a big deal anymore if you're a celebrity and you come out and you say that you support Trump.
I mean, Chris Pratt does uh uh he he does hollow commercials where he's like, please pray with me.
We're seeing more and more stuff like that.
And I think it's a good thing.
But this means that, you know, seven, eight years ago, there were a lot of people that were terrified.
They were in their workplace, they were silenced, they were told they had to say things that weren't true, and then they would go online and they'd watch all these videos and all these shows that kind of helped them they they knew that they weren't on the they saw this.
Now I go on Instagram and it's just like guys in Burger King hats, you know, if you know what I mean.
And they have millions upon millions of views.
I showed Connor a video earlier where it had like 400,000 shares, and what was it, like a black woman screaming she wanted EBT or something?
And I'm just like, listen.
They're jokes, they're based on racist tropes, they're funny.
Doesn't mean I, you know, I don't care.
I'm I'm not gonna rag on a race.
It's like they're just jokes.
They make fun of white people, black people, Asians.
But Instagram is allowing it.
And I'm like, that's how much it's shifted.
So I feel like there's a lot of like people right now, especially right now, it's summer.
The fear is gone.
Trump has won.
The change is coming, the deportations are coming, like these things the things we want, like nature is healing, and so the stress has kind of been released.
connor tomlinson
That's wonderful for you guys.
I'm glad you guys are tired of winning.
At the moment, we're in a precipice of of street violence.
People are waving the national flag as a symbol of protest in my own country.
And when your own flag becomes a symbol of protest, it shows you how bad things have gotten.
We've got a migrant sex offense every single day.
We've got like 50,000 illegals pouring in over boats every single year.
tim pool
We still have all that bad stuff too.
connor tomlinson
I'm just saying crazy problems, sure.
tim pool
But uh but I mean, no, no, no, no, but like we still have these bad things happening.
We still have these narco gangs, we still have all that.
It's just that the average person feels like we are seeing the results.
connor tomlinson
Yes.
tim pool
So when you say like Nigel Farage is tracking the win, like you are also seeing results.
Now, what I will stress, seven AFD politicians dead in a few days.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And, you know, the left is not just, you know, what's the one?
connor tomlinson
Bear in mind as well, our election is almost guaranteed to be at least another four years away.
And it's more likely that we get imminent civil unrest before another election.
tim pool
I would I, you know, as much as I would actually say, like, I hope you guys just win, and this if there is a civil war in the UK, I uh volunteer to join the expeditionary force and go and help uh uh liberate the the the British Patriots.
connor tomlinson
The Beanie Battalion parachute in.
I mean, you would you were joking, well, half joking, uh, on X the other day, but I will say the about conquering the UK.
Yeah, but uh temporarily liberating uh we uh even Cromwell himself was temporary, of course, England always needs a king.
However, um uh the interventions by the American State Department and the and Jim Jordan and the Judiciary Committee have been more than welcome because just like the Biden administration was meddling in Silicon Valley and had implications for Europe and the UK, um Kirst Arm's Labour government have been meddling in American tech, they've been meddling in American politics, and so you guys have needed to wade in.
And the fact that you felt the need to wait in has created much more breathing room for UK patriots to operate in their politics.
tim pool
What I what I what I'm gonna do, okay, after the coalition of volunteers secures control of the UK, we will install Milo Unopoulos as Viceroy temporarily, temporarily, until a new parliament,
parliamentary system is re-established, and then we'll have to name you a new king after removing the royal family, for which I believe the Benjamins, uh notably Carl Benjamin and his family will become the new monarchs of uh of the UK.
phil labonte
Long may he reign for so long to the House of Windsor, hello to the House of Benjamin.
Yes.
tim pool
Uh, let's jump to this next story from uh Block Cubs uh Block Club Chicago.
El Grito Chicago called off as ICE agents sent to city.
We need to keep our community safe.
The popular Mexican Independence Day Festival at Grand Park this weekend was called off in consultation with state and city officials amid threats of widespread ice rates.
Could you just imagine all of these uh you know, Mexicans and illegal immigrants gathering in Grant Park to celebrate Mexican independence, and then just like 300 ICE agents surround the park and just arrest everybody and just get all the illegal immigrants into porn.
They actually fear that was what was gonna happen.
I just want I I want everybody to listen to stop and just think about that for two seconds.
That they actually were concerned that ICE was going to go and start rounding up this massive group of non-Americans here illegally celebrating Mexico's heritage.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, when Trump said we're going in, what do you think it was gonna look like?
Vibes, essays, we're going in.
You know, no more independence.
connor tomlinson
Sobjak said earlier on on the stage at NATCON today, he said it's fine if you want to wave a foreign flag, you can do that on the flight home.
I I we we have this exact problem in the UK where basically the British Empire's folded back on us.
Not only are the administration bodies of the Empire like the civil service and the home office inhabited by the sons and daughters of said empire, and they're taking out their ethnic and and historical grievances on the native population.
But like ethnic colonies like Birmingham, one of our major cities that's just it looks like New Delhi, it's entirely swamped by the subcontinent, back to back, lights up its library in the colors of India and Pakistan's flag to celebrate their independence day.
It's like, oh, wonderful, you're so independent from the Empire that you're here.
I want you all gone.
Go celebrate it elsewhere.
phil labonte
That kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed.
I mean, I understand that you know it's a free country or or what have you.
Well, it's the ostensibly, right?
If you're if you put up the flag of St. George, there's a problem.
But if you put up the flag of India, that's fine.
Um But at this at the same the point I'm making, I guess, is look If you are going to come to live in a country, you should embrace the values and the the flag and the culture of that country.
If you don't like those things, then you probably should go back to your country.
tim pool
I want to read this um from El Grito Chicago.
It says, uh Mi gente con El Corazon Roto.
We have announced that El Grito Chicago Two Day Festival and down at Chicago will be postponed.
It was a painful decision, but holding El Great Chicago at this time puts the safety of our community at stake.
And that's a risk we are unwilling to take.
While we are torn by this decision, when we brought this celebration back, our aim was to create a safe, affordable, family-friendly community festival for all.
We look forward to accomplishing that in the future together.
Bringing Al Grito Chicago back stronger, prouder, and more united than before to all our vendors, artisans, artists, and community groups who plan to join us.
You are the flavor that makes Al Grito Chicago special.
To our community, you're the beating heart of the celebration.
Blah, blah, blah.
Our priority now is for all tickets to be refunded.
Fall refunds will be immediately uh uh will be will begin immediately to everybody who purchased tickets, throw our upside a ticket sign up.
Refunds will go back to the original form of payment.
Please allow 710 business days.
We're saddened by the loss.
Okay, I'm gonna pause real quick and just say the next move the Trump DOJ needs to make is begin a criminal investigation of the organizers of El Grito.
Because if they were facilitating a gathering of illegal immigrations, that is a uh immigration uh illegal immigrants, that is actually a violation of law to induce or encourage illegal immigration in this country.
And if they're holding festivals where they know and expressed knowledge that they were selling tickets and profiting off of individuals who are here illegally for this celebration, I believe there should be some action taken against them.
connor tomlinson
Well, you'd be able to trace via the payments, presumably back to some illegal aliens at least.
I mean, it'd be worthwhile.
At least they can celebrate Cinco de Mayo in alligator Alcatraz.
That'll be nice fun for them.
tate brown
Yeah, that'd be a good time.
Yeah, it's like the fact that these massive ethnic enclaves exist in the first place is just d demonstrates how broken our immigration policy is.
And this is actually this has happened in America historically.
Like if you look up the orange riots, this is fascinating.
This is like New York City, 1870s, and you had Irish Protestants and Irish Catholics literally going on the street in New York City and killing each other in mass, like dozens and dozens of deaths, and it's like, so this is a this has happened, it's been a big problem, and this is just gonna get violent if you keep permitting these ethnic enclaves.
tim pool
I'd like to read Title 8 USC 1324A.
Subsection 1A V, or is it five?
Uh, I believe it's V. Expressly makes it an offense to engage in a conspiracy to commit or aid or abet the commission of foregoing offenses.
However, there's also so it is five.
It's also subsection A1A4 makes it an offense for any person who encourages or induces an alien to come to enter or reside in the U.S., knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to entry a residence is or will be in violation of the law.
The organizers have stated, now they're gonna there's arguments to be made and they're gonna and the left is gonna be like, no, no, you're drawing inferences, whatever.
I believe after a criminal investigation, the likelihood that you will find evidence, the organizers knew that they were encouraging illegal immigrants to come to Chicago for this festival.
I think that's that's clear as day for anybody.
When they say we're canceling the event because ICE is going to be there, you know what they're saying.
That they knew that they were taking money to facilitate an event that would encourage illegal immigrants to come to the this festival, and that is a crime, a federal crime.
And I'm tired of weak DOJ being like, well, it may be illegal, we're not doing anything about it.
I'll give you another example.
In West Virginia, j drag shows in public are illegal explicitly, as are they, especially involving children.
And there have been numerous instances in in West Virginia where they've had drag shows and brought children on in public.
And it's in the law outright.
You can't do this, but they go, Oh, but you know the activists.
No, stop being weak, okay?
If the laws need to be changed, they can go to Congress and change the laws.
If people in Chicago don't like that this law exists, well then vote.
And if the Congress can't change the law because people vote against you, you don't get to just break the law, and then we sit back while the DOJ allows it.
connor tomlinson
Let me take it one step further as well, based on what uh Phil just said.
Not only should the illegal immigrants themselves, if they're gathering this one place, they should be deported no matter where they are, uh, they should be deported every single last one of the 10 to 30 million of them that you guys have in your country now.
But also, I think that if you are a naturalized citizen or if you're here on a visa that can be revoked, um, as the Trump administration is exploring as part of his DOJ memorandum back in June, the denaturalization process.
if you're repeatedly celebrating the independence uh celebrations of a foreign country, if you're waving a foreign flag, if you uh are celebrating the success of another country over and above your host population, um, why should you be given continued residency?
You should be made to leave too.
Like you're not contributing anything to the social fabric.
You're demonstrating a hostility to the host majority of heritage Americans in this country.
You're probably not economically contributing either, though this country isn't in economic zone, you should leave.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, you see it with if you ask like Mexicans that are living in the United States, they they genuinely believe that California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona is rightfully their land and that it was stolen from them.
They say, oh no, the border crossed us.
So it's like they're literally openly admitting Yeah, the well A that they lost, but they're openly admitting that they feel entitled to this land.
Like it's this is a different element at play here.
Is that they they they believe truly that they've been wrong and that they're trying to rectify uh historical wrongdoing.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, look, throughout all of history, if you lose a war, you're going to actually have consequences, right?
The idea that, oh, these the these wars that have happened in fairly recent history in the past couple hundred years, um, there they're their consequences don't apply to me.
connor tomlinson
Right.
phil labonte
And and this land that we're on, it's actually I'm entitled to it, which you're not even personally entitled to it.
It's just you're like, oh, this is a blood and soil argument.
tate brown
Right.
phil labonte
And and that's a ridiculous argument, especially in the United States.
tate brown
Well, it shows assimilations broke down because they're saying, no, I'm an American, I'm an American.
It's like, okay, then you press a little bit on this and say, well, it used to be our land.
You know, this is all rightfully our land.
And it's like, okay, so below the American identity, there's this strong Mexican identity.
So they're they're they're making a blood and soil argument.
connor tomlinson
There's barely subterranean ethnic resentment.
You get the same thing in the UK.
So Ed Hussein, who's a second-generation uh Indian immigrant who's a Muslim is ex-Jihadist, uh, did a book, I think it came out in 2021 called Among the Mosques, and he just tools all the towns and cities of the UK, speaking to these like moderate imams, the owners of madrasas and the mosques.
And anytime he presses just a little bit on the issues that the Muslims have, uh, as soon as he says something like, Oh, but you're not concerned about the grooming gangs, and you're not concerned about being segmented away from from the broader community and and or you know, cousin marriage and things like that, they go, well, the British started it, you know, they invaded our countries, they toppled our, they toppled our tribal leaders, uh, they inflicted horrible things on us, like, you know, not letting us stone rape victims.
And uh we just had to import ourselves back to your country and practice cousin marriage and steal all your welfare.
It's actually your guys' fault.
tate brown
So they they press and then they they they they admit that their presence is a form of punishment because they're saying they're getting revenge.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, diversity is strength until it's not.
tim pool
We are getting to the point where we're seeing a lot of uh these individuals just say, we're conquering you, you've lost.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like the the confidence is becoming such that there have been videos where they're just like, what are you gonna do about it?
tate brown
Los Angeles, like four months ago.
connor tomlinson
I mean, that's exhibit A. Or in the UK, whenever these protests have been happening outside of Simon Hotels, like the men who uh are just laughing with glee and filming them on their iPhones, like I my tax money has paid for.
Um frankly, if you had arrived and broken into someone's country and then the government of that country had given you a four-star hotel spending money and then marshaled the police to protect your reputation as an invader against the negative opinions of parents that are afraid that you're housing their children's school, yeah, you would think you're a conquering army, wouldn't you?
That's why they behave like it.
phil labonte
Yeah, and and it's you know, it's it's not it's like not hidden anymore.
And there are people that will call you names and say you're you're racist for noticing or acknowledging what they would will openly say.
And uh it's good that there are people that are are no longer cowed by that.
Pardon me?
tim pool
So that there are people that are noticing?
phil labonte
Uh yeah, there are people that are realizing, noticing, whatever you want to call.
Um God, I'm at the wrong phrase.
unidentified
Um But the but the point is, like the ghost of Steve Sailor leaving his profile picture like the Batman signal.
phil labonte
I'm sure that my mentions in in on X are going to be an absolute mess for the next couple of days.
Um But but yeah, the point is like if you acknowledge that the argument they're making is you know, is the exact the the same kind of racist argument, like you get called names.
You know, it's like, oh, you're you're a racist for for even acknowledging this this obvious truth.
tate brown
Well, it's it's more we're just saying if you can have blood and soil nationalism, why are we not allowed?
Why is it racist when we do it?
Or why is it just straight up not permitted?
But then every single person around the globe outside of like Western Europe and America is a totally allowed to do that.
phil labonte
Well, not just allowed.
I mean, that that's just normal.
tate brown
Well, it's just that it's that like normal, it should be normal human behavior, but for whatever reason, in the West, we've just like decided that we're just economic zones that you can just interchange people in and out of.
tim pool
Well, my friends, let's jump to this next story.
unidentified
Uh I would say that man, we we really did win, didn't we?
tim pool
David Pacman has left the left.
Of all the people.
Uh, let me play the clip for you so you can hear for yourself.
He gives a little nuanced to it, but listen.
He's concerned, nobody wants to just dive right in.
Even Anna Kasparian was slow about being like the left has gone nuts.
Even Dave Rubin was was not, you know, just an overnight thing.
David Pacman is now exhibiting the basics of leaving the left.
When you know, did you guys know that when um when that viral video from Prager went out called Why I Left the Left from Dave Rubin, Dave didn't actually intend on stating that phrase, I left the left.
Dave's intention in that video was the left is bad.
And the interpretation that like that they took was that Dave had left the left.
And so even Ruben was doing something similar.
Let me put it this way.
David Pacman is saying I'm not the next Rubin while doing literally the exact same thing every disaffected liberal has done when they've gotten red pilled.
phil labonte
The only reason he's saying I'm not the next Ruben is because they have this uh idea that Ruben was bad for doing what he did.
All he did was acknowledge that the left is crazy.
tim pool
Here's the clip.
david pakman
I have not changed in terms of my views.
tim pool
None of us have.
david pakman
What has changed, as I pointed out yesterday, is I no longer believe we are all part of the same movement.
tim pool
Uh-huh.
david pakman
There's the governance-focused big tent, win elections and pass laws left.
That's where I am.
And then there's this purity test left.
The ones who don't really care if we lose, and sometimes seem to like it, so they can say I told you so, as long as they feel morally untainted.
unidentified
Yep.
david pakman
That's how they treat compromise as corruption.
They think we need a better media ecosystem must mean install CIA approved thought leaders or something like that.
So maybe we were never really part of the same movement.
If I've been red-pilled about anything, maybe it's that.
tim pool
Indeed.
david pakman
We overlapped when convenient, and that was it.
But I'm not getting red pilled.
I'm done pretending that everyone with a left-wing label is on the same page.
connor tomlinson
Blue sky.
david pakman
You can stand for progress in a lot of different ways.
You can want change.
He's got torture.
I mean, everyone's the end for the 98% on your side.
Uh, but no, I am not having a political awakening.
I am not the next Dave Rubin.
None of that.
tim pool
Yeah, he is.
And you know why?
His views are in the gutter.
Remember when he said this during the election, he was like, I'm losing so many subscribers.
Holy crap, what's happening?
Regular people are leaving the left.
They're sick of it, they're moving on.
My views have haven't changed.
Hey, David said the same thing.
The only difference is when someone came to me and said, How many lights are there, Tim?
I said, four.
And they went, You're mistaken.
There are five.
He says, No, I'm not, and stop lying.
And if you keep lying, we're gonna have problems.
And David said, Yeah, there's five lights.
And now finally he's realizing he's on the wrong side of history.
And so his you can see the motivations of people like him.
Late to the game.
Why?
Well, because he chose money and is willing to drop to his knees for whoever wants to pay him.
Now I will say this.
I'm gonna back off a little bit.
Everybody should be praising David and saying, Thank you for acknowledging this.
What you're describing is how we define woke.
Purity test, moralistic leftists who just want you to be part of whatever they say is true, regardless of whether or not it's right, regardless of whether or not they'll actually win or change anything.
They're self-sabotaging, and they're pure that they're they're pure.
It's a puritanical ideological leftism, where if you deviate in any way, they cancel you.
Okay, that's been woke the whole time, the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy, and David's being like, wow, I'm just now realizing this.
So, as much as I don't trust the guy, that's fine.
The play here is to say, thank you, David.
Please tell me more.
What a what a good person you are for explaining this, and we will fracture the cult.
connor tomlinson
So I don't know if I agree on that, just because I understand wanting to be accommodating.
Um, however, I I don't agree that wokeness is defined by its tactics or its its characteristics in operation.
Um, this is why people apply the name woke right.
You know, they say, Oh, right wing is behaving just like the left, therefore it's woke right.
No, woke is gay race communism.
And the thing with David Pacman is he hasn't changed his views.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
It's not uh.
connor tomlinson
Okay.
It is because he still has not changed any of his views, and so he wants to consolidate the existing gains of the revolution without jeopardizing it as a political project because all of his co-freaks are so um antisocial that they put people off.
So he's hoping to repackage the same values in the same way.
He's not reassessing his same price.
He wants the revolution to continue unfolding, but in a sustainable fashion.
And just one final thing, it's hilarious that he says all of these CIA approved people.
Dude, you had the values of the entire deep state of Goldman Sachs of Walmart until about 15 seconds ago.
tim pool
So the idea that you are some sort of renegade is quite when you have uh so wokeness is not gay race communism.
There is an element of the left that adheres to those ideologies, but that I I have argued this quite a bit doesn't explain why there's the pro-Ukraine faction, which does not engage in arguments about critical theory, gender, or race, and it doesn't explain why people like David Pacman, who largely take an economic pro-war view that he largely ignores those progressive arguments and gay race communism is still considered woke.
And two more points, Mark Warner, who is considered a moderate Democrat is defending Kilmargo Garcia.
And additionally, in the in in so that's the political element, the Jaguar commercial where they espoused nothing political, but it was a weird modern art display of bald people wearing weird pastel makeup was also called woke.
connor tomlinson
Because they were all black and androgynous.
tim pool
But that doesn't explain Mark Warner.
So all of these different things that are called woke, if you put an umbrella over it, you try to ask what is the lowest common denominator that allows us to define woke, and it is the cult-like adherence to let liberal orthodoxy.
That means David Pacman will never call out gay race communism, but he himself is not a gay race communist.
connor tomlinson
Well, liberalism is just the um the slow unfurling of gay race communism.
Marxism is just Marxism and wokeness is just its eager stepchild.
tim pool
As far as Ukraine, the reason they support it is because they want to make it a sort of um, I'm gonna pause you again because what you're doing is you're cutting half of the woke people off because they don't hold those views.
That's why that doesn't make sense.
connor tomlinson
What what okay?
What what woke person did not fold themselves into BLM and support trans?
tim pool
David Pacman.
connor tomlinson
Did he not support BLM?
tim pool
He didn't call it out, he didn't question it.
He largely ignored those issues, and he consistently does.
It is the cult-like adherence to their orthodoxy unchallenged, which puts them in the woke camp.
connor tomlinson
I think you would find uh uh I don't watch David Pac-Man's show like everyone else in this room, I have an IQ above 50.
Um, but I'm sure you would find an abundance of clips of him banging on about systemic racism or saying that Trump is committing some kind of transgenocide.
tim pool
David David Pac-Man has always played the moderate democrat route, but never called out until now the excesses of the lunacy on the left.
And so when we look at someone who's waving a Ukraine flag and they put it in their profile, what does that have to do with critical theory in any capacity?
connor tomlinson
Because it's not critical theory, it's it's human rights, it's the doctrine of the blank slate.
And so they want Ukraine to be part of the international global liberal order through which universal human rights are unfold.
And both right I hear you.
tim pool
The individuals in this country that don't know anything about critical theory, will not argue in favor of communism, will actually criticize the ideas of communism, but march in lockstep with those things we define as woke.
So the point is there have been numerous prominent conservatives who said woke is critical race theory, gender theory, gay race communism, etc.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And then that isolates a core group of personalities and the entire sphere of influence for which they control, which includes prominent liberals who are pro-war in Ukraine, pro-Taiwan, anti-China, anti-Russia.
It ignores them and their influence in the similar space.
So when we look at what all this whole like David Pacman, why would I describe him as woke?
Because for the longest time he has engaged in sophistry to uphold liberal orthodoxy.
But he himself, in private, he there there are many liberals we've had on the show that do this thing where it's like obviously trans kids is not a good thing, we shouldn't do that.
And they'll actually say kind things like that while trying to dance around.
Pisco, who we have in the culture war, who'll be here tomorrow, he does a lot of this.
He offers up a oh, you're right about these things, but then uses sophistry to try and defend the whole of liberal orthodoxy.
So my point ultimately is while we do highlight individuals that are critical theorists, gender, race, or otherwise, they are prominent left that we call woke because they will protect it while privately trying to downplay it.
When they say things like, you know, I hear what you're saying on that, they will then try and convince you to come into the fold of the greater liberal orthodoxy.
I'll I'll try and keep it simple.
It does not matter what is logical or true.
White blond-haired, blue-eyed Eastern Europeans are people of color according to woke.
But that defies the oppression hierarchy they also claim to uphold.
They say the military industrial complex is bad, and the funding of war by the United States is bad until it comes to Ukraine.
It's all completely illogical.
It's almost like I describe it as a murmuration flying around randomly, and as long as you stick with it, you are in the woke sphere, whether it tilts left, right, or otherwise.
David Pacman, by coming out and saying the purity test left, is finally breaking from woke by calling them out explicitly.
connor tomlinson
I think the connective tissue here that we would agree on is what we discussed when I was on the culture war last year, which is whether or not the the congenital liberals or died in the wall, gay race communists, they all believe in the blank slate, and so they might differ on the instruments by which they achieve this latent human egalitarianism that's lying underneath everybody.
tim pool
I disagree.
I don't think they believe in the blink slate.
connor tomlinson
You don't think David Pacman believes in the blank slate?
tim pool
Uh I would I I would argue that David Pacman largely doesn't believe in anything except the color green and pictures of dead presidents.
connor tomlinson
Okay, well, I I can't really speak to that because I don't know how disingenuous it is.
tim pool
David Pacman is a I mean, look at what he's saying right now, right?
Let's be real.
He knew.
He knew what he's saying now a long time ago.
Okay.
Anyone of reasonable intelligence who can build a platform, create the graphics, study the algorithm of YouTube and create a channel with millions of subscribers, and every day read the news, knows full well when they are lying.
When David Pacman, my favorite clip from him, when he brought uh he played a clip from M SNBC, no, I think it was NBC News.
It was um Chuck Todd talking to Ted Cruz, and he asked Ted Cruz, do you really believe Ukraine interfered in the US election in 2016?
And then Ted Cruz goes, the New York Times reported it, and then a producer starts laughing in the background.
David Pac-Man then starts going, I can't believe it.
He actually thinks that.
There's no way David Pacman, in his research to find that clip and is isolating it, didn't actually look at the New York Times story that said Ted Cruz was correct.
Ted Cruz.
So David Pac-Man is cognizant of his lies.
He knows full well.
I would I would argue, and I've known the guy for a while, not like we're good friends or anything.
If you got him in private, he'd tell you outright.
Yeah, of course, that that's completely illogical.
None of it makes sense, but I've got an audience and I gotta make money.
So I'm going to defend them and say whatever needs to be said so that I can maintain my viewership and grow my channel and defend it.
We would consider people who do that still to be woke, despite not actually following.
Now, that then, what is the greater umbella, umbrella?
The cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy.
More importantly, what is woke changes.
For example, Wimickson, W-O-M-X-N, was called what was was deemed at one point to be the appropriate spelling for woman, because it's inclusive to women of color and trans women, until a week later, when trans women said, We don't need a special word, just say woman, and you're a bigot, and then it changed again.
So you can argue that those are components of gay race communism, I guess, but there's no logic defining when it is or is not.
connor tomlinson
The logic is that it's advancing towards the ultimate goal of absolute egalitarianism.
tim pool
Except it changes every day.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but it changes every day because the various aggrieved client groups make their bids for what is and isn't excluding them, so there's a form of collective bargaining But the ultimate guiding North Star is absolute egalitarianism.
And David Pacman might well be a grifter.
However, I think if you sat him down and you asked him if the Democrat Party could sufficiently redistribute enough welfare and free health care and human rights and housing to as many men from Mogadishu as possible, would they become American?
He would say yes.
Which means that he does believe in the blank slate.
tim pool
Uh I think David Pacman would try to engage in sophistry, where he would not take an absolutist stance, and he would try and nudge you towards the liberal orthodoxy for the for the purpose of building audience and making money.
connor tomlinson
Okay.
tim pool
That is if you sit with David Pacman, he's the kind of guy who's gonna be like, obviously, that's an extreme, and I don't think that's true for all people.
I do think, however, some people can That's that's the angle he's gonna play.
connor tomlinson
Right.
Okay.
Well, then So this this is the point.
tim pool
I mean, when you have liberals who are like the military industrial complex is bad and we've got to stop increasing the military budget.
And then you go, I agree.
Now say Ukraine, they'll go, no, no, no, Ukraine deserves more money.
It's like, okay, you there's no logic to what you're saying.
You're literally just saying what MSNBC is is adhering to.
That is liberal activists would argue the military industrial complex is bad, and in the same breath, say Hassan Piker does this.
And we're like, he's woke.
Yet he simultaneously argues for and against the military industrial complex.
Yeah, but I will say this too.
When when the funding or defunding of the military industrial complex is a component of the left, that's nothing to do with with critical theory.
connor tomlinson
I I I think diluting the philosophical consistency of a position that can be ascribed to woke by also saying these people are sophists, these people are grifters, these people are stupid in the in this in the instance of Hassan Pika means that we're actually mo making the waters more murky in what we're trying to describe.
tim pool
I think when you say woke is critical theory, or not critical word theory, it's gay race communism.
But that but you're just that that's just a pejorative for critical theory.
connor tomlinson
It's an it's an instrument in enacting the final goal of total egalitarianism.
But I think too much premium is placed on critical theory as the origin point of what I think it's John Locke, but there you go.
tim pool
Critical theory is just the umbrella for critical gender and critical race theory.
And you say gay race communism.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but also I'd lump Rousseau into that.
tim pool
You are excising out large portions of the influential liberal base that engage in political activism who don't ascribe to that, but...
But ally with these people.
connor tomlinson
But I think they all do ascribe to it whether or not they've read it.
Like their default assumption is.
tim pool
That's not correct.
It's not correct.
That's why Anna Kasparian breaks out.
That's why David Pac-Man leaves the left.
Because they never believed it.
They were just adhering to the liberal orthodoxy.
When when Anna Kasparian lies about me personally for years, and then one day has an epiphany and changes her mind.
She's woke.
We say she's woke.
She's lying about all these things.
It is the cult like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy, and the orthodoxy changes every day.
It it's it's it's impossible to actually follow what the rules are.
So you you there they're like the the Wimmixon is just one example that I use where you say, okay, liberals, tell me what I should or should not say, and then the next day they pull the old tweet from a week ago and then cancel you for it.
There's there's no logical consistency, what they're saying is or is not true.
Now, I agree, critical theory, gay race communism is a large component of what we have seen among the moralistic liberal orthodoxy, but certain components of it change whenever it's appropriate for them to gain power.
phil labonte
I mean, isn't it?
tim pool
So real real quick, just sorry.
When they say Republicans challenge the election, and then every election they've challenged.
When you've got a 40-minute video of Democrats saying Republicans have stolen the election, every single election, and then but Republicans are bad for stealing the election, you're like, Red, there's no logical consistency what they claim.
I think that it is just a cult.
phil labonte
I think there is one second.
I think the feature that you're actually acknowledging, Tim, is that there's so much postmodern influence on the left, right?
If you don't, if you have a postmodernist who's making an argument, you're not gonna get logical consistency because part of the postmodern uh, I guess, philosophy is that there are no actual overarching narratives that matter.
So what you do is make arguments that are functional so that way you can win the existing argument that you're in.
You can make a different argument later, tomorrow tomorrow, the next week or whatever, because the actual underlying uh philosophy isn't important to go to a goal.
tim pool
And that is not unique to critical theory or gay race communism.
phil labonte
No, no, that's that it's postmodern.
tim pool
It's not unique to postmodernism.
The idea that there's no truth but power or the author the the the might makes right is not uniquely postmodern.
phil labonte
So when when liberals It's not about what it's not about might makes right.
It's about what useful arguments will help you win the argument you and that's not about the.
tim pool
And what the liberals are doing is saying truth doesn't matter.
All that matters is I somehow steal power from you.
And that has been true of the liberals and the Democratic Party for decades, irrespective of the rise of wokeness in the past 15 years.
phil labonte
That's that's the postmodern incident.
That's the postmodern incident.
tim pool
So when liberals have had this behavior and tendency pre postmodernism, why would we then ascribe postmodernism as the principle of what was when When when are you talking about then?
I'm talking about the 2000s.
phil labonte
When they were challenging the election.
Postmodernism didn't rise in postmodernism.
tim pool
The rise of critical theory specifically is the end of the 2000s, and we look we see this in the Lexus Nexus data.
That's the that's that was before they were already challenging elections while claiming they don't.
phil labonte
But that isn't when postmodernism came onto the scene.
Postmodernism kind of came on in like the 50s and 60s.
tim pool
Right, right.
So so the point is if we're talking about wokeness as gay race communism, let's just we'll clarify.
And postmodernism is a large principle component of what is with the ideology held by these people.
In 2008, Lexus Nexus data shows across the board and newspapers all around the world the rise of critical theory terminology, white supremacy, trans, etc.
Pre-this, and I'm sure everyone in the chat agrees, Democrats still behaved this way.
If they cult-like adherence to their to their orthodoxy.
A great example that I highlighted was the Prop 8 video from like 2011, where the the Democrats were uh falsely ascribing views to the conservatives about gay marriage in California for the purpose of winning on that issue.
This is before we were taken over by the cult like it uh I'm sorry, before we were taken over by gay race communism or whatever, there was still on the left, if you were on the right, you were bad, right means bad, right has always meant bad, and you must do what we say is acceptable or you will be excised.
connor tomlinson
So the reason I don't want to define it by tactics is um to use a comparison.
So uh political correctness came from the term partners from Lenin in the early 20th century, and uh Soldier Nitson and Gulag Archipelago describes how people's capacity for self-delusion, even in prison, would allow them to um daub in their spouse as being insufficiently devoted to the communist party or accept false charges so that the sons and daughters would join the comole um the the young communist league, even though they they knew themselves were not guilty.
So that capacity to lie, to delude, to adhere to a cult like orthodoxy comes long before the specific manifestation of woke as being gay race communism.
So I wouldn't define it by its tactics because those tactics are political.
tim pool
Or Nazis.
connor tomlinson
No, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Were the fascists woke?
connor tomlinson
No.
tim pool
Agreed.
And so when you have a totalitarian system, an authoritarian system, people bend the knee and will say, for the for those that know the reference, there are four lights.
It's from Star Trek.
It's actually a reference to something else that people have you know expecting me, but Picard was being tortured.
There were four lights above him, and the torturer said, Tell me there are five, or I'll electrocute you.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it's from George Oil was 1984.
tim pool
Yeah, and so anybody will do that.
Uh when the liberals say, do it, or we will make you suffer, that is it is just a fascistic uh uh uh uh uh ethos held by the left.
And that's why I'll put it this way.
I guarantee you, David Pacman coming out and saying, you know, I'm finally realizing this, it's because the money's drying up.
He's on the wrong side of history, but I guarantee you if tomorrow a progressive organization said we're gonna dump a bunch of sponsorship and ads into your organiz into your to your channel, if you just apologize for that and say you were wrong, he would do it in two seconds.
Most of these liberals would.
Let me tell you, I have I I've heard a lot of people critical of uh uh uh critical race theory and gender theory, which are bad, describe woke specifically as that.
Yet these people don't actually believe any of it.
And I've proven it, and I think I think we'll we'll prove it substantially to a greater degree, because when you offer them money, they drop the the act immediately.
So I'll give you an example, and I'll laugh about it when they post this in the slap forums.
Boone's HQ skate park, right?
So we start filming content, we make skateboards, we sell skateboards.
We've done like, I don't know, over a hundred thousand dollars this year in boards.
The last several months have been massive.
The the don't be gay board sold, I think sixteen thousand dollars in a month for skateboards.
And I was told by some of these um uh guys in the industry that we may actually have one of the highest selling skate companies in the world now for boards, because the industry is flat.
Well, what happens is these woke activists go online and start saying, F Tim Poole, he's a fascist, blah, blah, blah.
People start agreeing with them, and then you know what I did?
I said, Hey, do you want to come and skate at our park?
I'll give you a thousand dollars to film videos, and what did they say?
Yes.
And what are they saying now?
I never actually believed any of that.
I I just, you know, so what we see here is power dynamics, irrespective of of actual underlying ideologies.
The people who go online and claim to believe this stuff, when offered cash, flip on a light like a light switch.
connor tomlinson
I don't think the existence of grifters and it's their own.
unidentified
It's all of them.
tim pool
It's it's not a good idea.
The point I'm saying is that there are powerful people who have weasled their way into HR and into industry who hold these views, and all of the people claiming that they hold that, they actually don't.
And so wokeness in the bigger picture, when we're looking at the mass majority, I'm talking about the people who know they're lying.
The people who are standing in the crowd thinking, look, I've gotten more than enough messages from celebrities who are publicly woke who said, I actually don't agree with any of this, but I'll lose my job, I'll lose my sponsors, I'll get fired for my company.
That's the majority of the people we call woke.
They are just adhering to the cult out of fear.
And you offer them cash and a guarantee, they drop it in two seconds.
phil labonte
I think that you like I understand the point that you're making.
Uh using woke as a broad term is functionally correct, but I also think that the there are thought leaders on the left.
There are people that are actually coming up with these ideas and they're filtering through into those people.
These people, like your average woke person, didn't come up with any of the ideas that they have on their own.
They come from academia, usually.
They come from this philosophy.
tim pool
My point is people will say woke is specifically this ideology, and I'm like, eighty percent of the people who are marching with liberals don't believe any of this.
The core issue is in fact just that they have the adherence to the murmuration.
There is there is a swarm that is moving left, right, up down, top, left makes no sense.
Supporting fundamentalist Islam and LGBTQ causes makes literally no sense and adheres to no ideology.
But it's because they're told they must.
And so I would describe it as Barack Obama did, a Mexican standoff.
So, how is it that critical race theory adheres to Islam, which is a fundamentalist authoritarian system that does not comport with with uh woke ideology or critical theory.
connor tomlinson
Because they believe that Islam has only been provoked by white settler colonialism into being voted.
tim pool
I don't believe that's true.
I think that's that that's sophistry.
I think that's an excuse.
And the reality is you've got people pointing cancellation at each other.
This is how Obama described it several years ago.
That I'm concerned I'm scared that you have a powerful political action committee in your space that people will bend to.
That is, a vendor will cancel your contract if you insult Islam.
That if you draw a picture of Muhammad on the cover of your magazine, Islamists will come and murder you.
So what happens?
People who fear this adhere to that to that restriction.
connor tomlinson
This is a totally real phenomenon.
At the same time, pretty much everyone that is currently running the UK government and all of their paid foot soldiers are true believers because they're doing this at personal expense.
tim pool
For sure.
I'm not saying they aren't.
I'm just saying to define woke as critical theory ignores Islam.
And so when you look at the bigger picture of these conflicted ideologies that don't go together, you're like, okay, so hold on.
The expansion of uh the the desire for Sharia law in some of these communities is completely in conflict with LGBTQ activism and the idea of the oppressed minority, especially considering Islam is like the second biggest religion in the world.
So defining woke as critical theory, at the same time, the liberals in this country have large elements of support for Islam.
It's not the ideology.
It is the cult-like adherence to these power structures.
connor tomlinson
They think they're gonna basically shed that third world barbarism if they just redistribute to them enough money, enough social helm.
That's because they believe they're blank slaves.
tim pool
Those woke people do.
But I'm saying the majority of people that we describe as woke because of the things they do and they say in their heart of hearts and in private are actually saying, I don't want to be killed by an Islamist, and I don't want to be killed by a uh by an anti-fagai.
connor tomlinson
Then but then I probably wouldn't apply the term woke.
They're going along with woke incentives, but they're just cowards and grifters and conformists.
Like the I would define woke as a set philosophy.
tim pool
But then so so the the issue I take with this specifically and why I give it a more broad umbrella is that people like David Pacman would be defined as woke despite not actually believing it and only adhering to it out of a fear of the power exerted by minority groups and their willingness to be extreme.
So that's why I say it is simply the cult-like adherence to the liberal orthodoxy.
That is whatever the umbrella of liberalism determines you must do is what wokeness is.
It is the cult-like adherence to it.
And so for someone like me who is a relatively liberal guy who does not adhere to their orthodoxy and says that's nuts and I won't agree with that, they call me right wing.
I am no longer a liberal.
I am no longer on their side.
They have excised me despite actually being a traditional liberal.
connor tomlinson
Well, you never believed in the blank slates you want a traditional liberal time.
tim pool
Traditional traditional liberals, like in the 90s didn't.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, they they they still try to keep in tandem the the freedom and equality principles, which is why it was mainly defined by uh sort of Bill and Hitler Clinton Democrats.
tim pool
Yeah, so I I would just I would just, you know, to move on.
I would just describe it as uh there's a large phenomenon of prominent cult-like cancelist liberals, people who will destroy your life, they will send the hounds of war, uh uh the hounds of hell at you when you speak out of turn, they will call you far right,
they will call you every name in the book, and they will get you banned and do whatever they can, and they don't believe in blank slate, and they don't support Islam, and they don't support the trans stuff, but they're surrounded by people with pitchforks, and they're like, I don't care, I'm part of the group.
That's all that matters.
And and and I will just wrap it by saying all of the celebrities, professional athletes and people that I know personally who I have seen make public statements, who privately have said, I'm just scared because I'll lose my job.
When we look at what's happening right now with the trends in politics, and like I mentioned, Instagram and all that, that's why I think we've really won.
Doesn't mean we we we've won permanently, this at least this battle we've we've defeated them, because regular people now are just outright being like, Yeah, screw that, and people like David Pacman, who's who's, you know, whatever you want to call him, sofists, grifter.
He's abandoning all of that.
He never believed what the woke believe, and now that it's not profitable and their political power has waned, he's coming out and being like, Yeah, they're bad.
He knew they were bad five years ago, but he adhered to their orthodoxy in a cult-like fashion and attacked those who opposed him because he wanted to be in the liberal orthodoxy.
That's it.
To be a liberal is all that matters, and it doesn't matter what the liberals believe, be it supporting Islam, which is at odds with LGBTQ activism.
tate brown
But I do think sometimes you do see people like this specifically on a track in like six months when they do come to the more like centrist moderate position, is they are still trying to just repackage the same woke ideas with right wing or with a right wing facade to pass a sniff test.
tim pool
James Lindsay's a really great example of what's going on right now in the political space with our overwhelming victory because James Lindsay is woke.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, he believes in the blank slate.
tim pool
And right.
And uh that's a component of it for sure.
But the reason why I define Jave Linds James Lindsay as woke is because his willingness to use underhanded tactics and force to get to to make others adhere to a liberal orthodoxy.
The difference is James Lindsay du James Lindsay doesn't like the critical theory that dominated the liberal orthodoxy.
The reason why he rejected it and they challenged it, and they will explain this to you, and you can read everything that he and his and his cohorts have stated, is that it was detrimental to liberalism and what they wanted to happen.
Now you can look at what James Lindsay is doing.
Every tactic he is using in his woke right escapade is on par with the cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
connor tomlinson
Did you see that?
tim pool
Despite despite the fact that he's not a critical gender theorist or critical race theorist, he is blocking people, insulting them, saying, quote, it's not my job to educate you.
He's labeling anyone in any conc any kind of right different ideology is all woke right.
He is he is accusing his enemies that of which he is doing.
He is doing everything the woke did in the 2010s, but I believe James Lindsay's motivation, and he's like, I my understanding is like an open relationship, polyamorist, liberal guy.
His motivation was critical theory is bad for the liberal orthodoxy, and it must be stopped.
But the liberal orthodoxy overpowered him and he lost control of that.
Now that it's weakened, what is he doing?
The same exact tactics they've always used against conservatives to assert a new supremacy among what the liberal orthodoxy must be.
And so its strategy isn't working very well, mind you.
But I believe the end goal of James Lindsay and what he's doing is he wants to re-establish a cult-like adherence to liberal orthodoxy under his view of what liberalism should be.
That is polyamory, abortion, you know, uh certain liberal standard liberal tradition traditional policies, exemplified by his willingness to call to insult little literally everybody as woke right.
He's using a term that that he knows disaffected liberals have a distaste for.
He's using it to target people who are not woke in any capacity.
He's basically saying alt right, as exactly what the woke did throughout the 2010s.
I have created an umbrella term for everyone who is my enemy on the right.
I will label all of them as such, even if they disagree with each other and aren't even right wingers.
That way I can poison the well and create an enemy list.
It's it's it's a Linsky.
It's it's it's one on one.
He is creating a new form of woke, and that that's why I see James Lindsay is the perfect example of woke right.
He is the right arm of the liberal uh cult-like adherence.
connor tomlinson
He thinks he's the new Bill Buckley, but it turns out he's just got schizophrenia.
So basically he's ended up on the right, and he's rearranging the furniture in his refugee camp to make himself feel more at home when actually it turns out that if you just alienate people because you're fundamentally antisocial and insane.
For example, he called all of the people that were doing the hoist the colors campaign in the UK, putting up the Union Jacks and the English flags.
He compared them to the Confederates.
He said this is a psyop to rehabilitate the Confederate flag.
James, you know absolutely nothing about the politics in my country, you arrogant todd, and your brand of liberalism has come out entirely in the wash because it's been repudiated because you haven't reassessed your priors in how it was the handmaiden for the wokeness that you hate so much.
And the only reason he hated it, which he put with Helen Plotrose in critical theory, is because it would provoke the right-wing backlash.
Because remember, the revolution is never the problem.
It's only the counter-revolution that's the problem.
tim pool
So I want to show you this from Milo, visualized almost every conservative James Lindsay has called woke right.
connor tomlinson
Am I on there yet?
tim pool
Um, let's let's let's find out.
Let me see if I can make this a little bit bigger so it's easier to read.
Uh I love this because you've got reactionary and bat uh and and bapists, I don't know what that is, random.
Oh, okay.
Trad calves, Christian get this stupid fly, get out of here.
Paleocons, philosophers, miscellaneous right wingers, British right, national conservatives, organizations, anonymous individuals, groipers, mainstream MAGA, anti-interventionists and anti-Zionist.
connor tomlinson
Lady Magazine is literally a drag queen.
tim pool
Indeed, indeed.
So this is why James Lindsay really does, I think, exemplify why uh, or at least look, it's just my argument, maybe I'm wrong, but I view woke as the cult like adherence to liberal orthodoxy.
James Lindsay's goal right now is he's a liberal guy, he's always been a liberal guy.
He doesn't like conservatives.
He has outright stated his and his his principal enemy is national conservatism.
He calls any and everyone who is against him woke right, because woke is a buzzword that is a negative connotation.
He is accusing his enemies that of which he does.
He blocks people on X and refuses to argue with them because his arguments are bad.
That's what woke people do.
He is basically saying, I don't care if it's right, I don't care if it's true.
If you are my enemy, I will seek to damage you unless you adhere to what I di I I demand you adhere to.
Now that we've seen, you know, Cracker Barrel, Jaguar, Bud Light, Target take massive hits over perceived wokeness.
That is varying degree, like even Jaguar was interesting because it was not political.
It was contemporary art, but it it was reminiscent of gender theory, even without even explicitly being gender theory, all that's all that it took for Jaguar to get in trouble.
Not to mention the electric car idea was let's get rid of all the high-end cars for the wealthy people we like.
What James is doing, recognizing the power structures of cult-like adherence and the fear that these these uh c commutarians, I guess you call them, these are people on the left and liberals.
They don't care what's true, they care about fitting in.
James Lindsay seeks to exploit this by creating an enemies list and using the term woke because woke is has has a has a sour taste in everybody's mouth.
The reason why he's redefining woke is because, as I've stated, the lowest common denominator of wokeness is cult-like herence to liberal orthodoxy.
He needs to apply woke to the right to break that message so that woke becomes something very specific that doesn't apply to him when he uses their tactics to take over the left.
phil labonte
When I when you first started to sing woke red, I was thinking that he was just trying to talk about people that he considered like amount of fascists, but and he just didn't want to use that term.
connor tomlinson
Well, he then said woke fascist.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, but he's he's obviously expanded it far beyond anyone that we've done.
tate brown
Well, his attempt to intellectualize it was saying that any adherence to identity politics makes you woke.
tim pool
Except these people don't do that.
tate brown
Precisely.
tim pool
So what James Lindsay did, it's not working by the way.
connor tomlinson
Well, all politics is identity politics.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, sure.
tim pool
But the point is like he was saying, hey, you know, woke people are saying like our people this and our people that there are some people on the right who do that.
And then a bunch of conservatives were like, hey, they are doing that, and they think the Jews are the problem.
And then James Lindsay went, got him and started grabbing random people who don't believe that and putting the label on them like alt-right was.
In the in the early days, alt-right people believed that it meant like an alternative to mainstream conservatism.
They did not know that it meant white nationalist.
So a bunch of regular people were tweeting that they were alt-right.
They were like, Yeah, because people genuinely use it to convey you were anti-establishment conservative.
Then the AP came out with a style guideline saying alt-right means you're a white nationalist and want a homeland for white people.
Retroactively, every tweet was then pulled up by the mainstream media saying, here's Mike Cernovich saying he's a white nationalist, despite the fact that's not what it meant.
This is James Lindsay's play.
Woke was just the tactics and the and the cult-like adherence they had for liberalism.
He knows this, so he needs to take that word, apply it to the right to create an enemies list using the exact same tactic, and then he can say, that's not us, we're doing something different.
He's basically saying, I will try to destroy you, and it's not working.
But uh this this became very obvious early on.
When the first arguments were Nick Fuentes is woke right.
Why?
He believes that there are oppressors and the oppressed, and he thinks the Jews are oppressing him.
He's identified an identity group targeting his identity group, much like the the critical race theorist did.
He found this this similarity.
And then a bunch of conservatives went, oh yeah, I see what you're saying.
That they're they do kind of act the same.
The problem is the argument that a powerful group oppresses a smaller group or or an oppressed group makes you woke, is overly simplistic because there's always going to be hierarchy in class.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Look at the lobsters.
connor tomlinson
The lore of the Middle East.
If you're a minority group in the Middle East, you will be pre- oppressed at some point in time.
tim pool
Indeed.
And so what we're seeing we're seeing now is this list of people of varying ideologies being labeled woke when James Lindsay's true strategy is I need to make it painful to defy my liberal orthodoxy.
connor tomlinson
It is really funny seeing like Yorum Hazoni.
tate brown
I guess I'm woke right now just by being there.
tim pool
Oh Mary Morgan's on there.
There's Mary Morgan.
Robert Barnes.
I love this.
tate brown
Uh they put Chris Ruffo.
It's like nicest guy.
tim pool
I love this.
Can we zoom in?
Well, it's that's that's too much zoom in.
connor tomlinson
It's a good reading list.
tim pool
Like, yeah, this is just Christian nationalists.
And any, and he tried making the claim first, a Christian nationalists were.
connor tomlinson
He he actually he actually said that uh Stephen Wolfe's book calls for like Christian fascism, and then he admitted he hadn't read the book when he reviewed the book, and he just read a bunch of reviews about the book.
I read the book.
It's look, I disagree with Wolf on a bunch of theology.
Like he thinks that nations exist in the Garden of Eden, for example.
Doesn't make it a fascist.
tim pool
Brianna Morello?
I mean and it's funny because Milo's like, there's not even an exhaustive list, right?
Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Woke right.
connor tomlinson
Well, Cole had a great reply to this the other day, by the way, which I may or may not have slightly fed to him.
When um when when James said, oh, Carl believes in collective rights, what are collective rights?
And he goes, um, well, ask Israel if it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for my country.
Thank you very much.
If Israel is a homeland for the Jews, then it can defend themselves.
England should be a homeland for the English, America should be a homeland for heritage Americans, and Europe should be a homelands for the respective Europeans.
Maybe even the Germans.
We might let them get away with it.
So that is what that is what he got James on, because Israel exists at the fault line of the post post-war economic order as the contradiction to liberalism.
And I think actually, you know, they've got a solid model of national sovereignty.
I just want what they have rather than the liberalism that James Lindsey is trying to enforce on my country despite knowing nothing about it.
tim pool
Look, home math.
Do you guys know homath?
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Home math is an anonymous creator who is just talking about dating.
And like and like sex and sex dynamics.
I've I don't think I've ever seen anything from Homath where he's talked about nationalism, i i Israel, collectivism.
He's literally just talked about typical, like, with all due respect to homath, a lot of what he makes is standard science of sex stuff.
Like if you read uh a book on human mating practices and stuff, he just draws pictures and shows it.
connor tomlinson
He's just David Buss with crayons, that's it.
tim pool
He's woke right.
So yeah, uh, it is kind of sad, but uh not really going anywhere.
Uh I do bring this Up some people, if if you're wondering, someone actually super chatted and asked about you know my thoughts on it.
The simple version is the effort Lindsay Lindsay is taking by calling people woke right is classic wokeness when they called everybody alt-right or white supremacist.
It's like if they call me a white supremacist despite being mixed race.
They called Larry Elder the white the black face of white supremacy.
They use a blanket term to insult a large group of people of disparate races and ideologies.
What they're really saying is it means bad guy.
Wokeness was the cult like adherence, and this is my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong.
And the idea was don't be bad guy.
What's bad guy?
Well, if you're a right winger, you're a bad guy.
But we're gonna call you a white supremacist if you're right, a white white right winger or far right.
James Lindsey is in the identical tactic, but he's calling it woke right because he's trying it's it's a war, it's an a Linsky game.
Accuse your opponents, you know, your enemies of doing what you what you're actually doing.
He's saying woke right means bad guy, and if you defy my orthodoxy, you're a bad guy.
connor tomlinson
Awful lot of Jews on this list of Nazis.
It just happens to know this.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
Jack Pasobic.
tate brown
Yeah.
And the categories are so fluid.
I think you could put a lot of different people in a lot of the different categories.
tim pool
I I just love that Mary's on there.
Sargon of a cad.
I also love that Milo didn't put Carl Benjamin.
He put Sargon of the card.
phil labonte
You know, like they he has Pat Buchanan up there.
tim pool
Wait, what?
phil labonte
Yeah, Pap Buchanan.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, he does.
tate brown
Pat Casey's flattered to be right away.
phil labonte
And I mean, I'm not sure.
I know this is this is a list of people that that Lynn that Milo, you know, came up with that he says that Lindsay has called woke right.
But I mean, part of the thing that's that bothers me most about what Lindsay has kind of you know been doing lately, is that he has such a massive blanket term.
I mean he's been using it as this massive blanket term.
And and I think it is accurate to say, you know, basically it boils down to anyone that disagrees with him.
Uh huh, he starts calling them woke right.
connor tomlinson
And it's like Smingo of tactics.
That's a good thing.
tim pool
And it's exactly what the left was doing when you defied so so I'll put it like this, right?
I'm I'm clearly like a moderate liberal kind of guy in a lot of ways.
Conservatives say Tim's not a conservative.
Milo said that I defy typical political definition.
And to these to the woke, I'm far right.
And when people work with me, Gavin, Gavin made an interesting point yesterday, and maybe he's correct.
I don't know.
He said, Ben Shapiro's a gateway drug, but it's people like you and me that make it okay for for liberals to come and join the right.
Because I'm not a suit wearing stodgy, you know, the point he was making.
He said regular people don't want to be in suits in the office, and this this traditional conservative approach is off-putting to regular people who who you know they don't they don't live this way, right?
They don't experience that.
I'm not I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but the reason why I'll I'll I'll tell you something fascinating.
We work with people all the time.
We we recently started working with a new contractor who told us almost immediately they got text messages from people saying, stay away from Tim Poole, watch out for him, he's far right.
And the dude was like, Yeah, I've hung out with him, I've met him.
He's that none of this is correct.
Why are you saying this?
The reason is Ben Shapiro, they don't need to say anything about Ben Shapiro will tell you he's a conservative, he holds these views, he has faith in God, he's Jewish, pro-life, etc.
And they're like, he's already in a different camp.
But Tim Poole's a liberal guy who's gonna call out all of our lies, he's dangerous.
Stay away from him or else.
So these people get threats that they're gonna lose their sponsors, lose their job for going anywhere near me.
Threats they don't get when they are seen hanging out with your run-of-the-mill conservative.
I think it's because the cult is scared that there are people who will call out their lies who are approachable by liberals.
A regular liberal says, I don't want to be conservative because conservatives are bad guys, but Tim Poole's not a conservative, so what do they say?
Tim Pool's far right, even though I'm not.
connor tomlinson
This may be an American thing as well, because uh you you'll know this because you're kind of plugged into the UK scene.
There's no young equivalent to Tim.
There's no like skateboarding beanie wearing, like t-shirt wearing guys.
They're all they're basically all like uh loudmouth trad casts in suits in the pub.
tim pool
Yeah, but Tommy is a working class guy.
connor tomlinson
Tommy's not that codes differently.
Like he's he's still in the he's still in the box, he's not in your box of where there's cross-pollination.
He's very much in the in the working class populism box.
There's no there's no counter-cultural figure like you or Gavin, for example.
tate brown
I mean, like football hooliganisms as mainstream.
connor tomlinson
Exactly.
tim pool
Let's uh let's jump to this next story and call it the right.
We got this uh Nick Sorter.
Beware.
Large accounts are being paid to attack Trump's tariffs on India to their MAGA audience posts with the exact same talking points went out at practically the same time.
And of course, no disclosure.
Many of the these accounts are foreign, don't fall for this.
So here's an account that says community notes and violations.
America and India should stand united.
Slapping tariffs on India over oil won't hurt Moscow.
It'll spike prices.
Blah blah blah.
connor tomlinson
Brown has been a good thing.
tate brown
Defiant L's stained hands type this.
tim pool
We have Defiant L saying India has always welcome Trump with an open arms, hitting India with tariffs over oil won't punish Moscow.
connor tomlinson
Why are they all quote tweeting Elijah Schaeffer?
tate brown
It's a very salient question.
tim pool
Oh, that's interesting.
Did Elijah have a tweet about this?
tate brown
Yeah, he popped off with like a really pro-India.
connor tomlinson
Uh really.
tate brown
Randomly.
tim pool
I wonder uh the L is on me this time.
connor tomlinson
Defiant L's same tweet.
tim pool
Which one?
connor tomlinson
Defiant Let's go down.
Defiant L's, quote quote tweeting Shaw.
tate brown
They all quote tweeted the same tweet, and his was like a pro-India tweet, just kind of out of the blue.
unidentified
Weird.
tate brown
But I think he may have been treating it.
tim pool
No, this is this is the same tweet.
unidentified
Okay, right.
tim pool
They just said the L is on me this time.
tate brown
He's he's quote tweeting what he's saying.
tim pool
Oops, I accidentally took money from a foreign lobby and attempted to undermine the US.
My bad guys.
connor tomlinson
Wow.
tate brown
This is exactly remember when like a few months ago when they were trying to yank Coke off of Sno Snap benefits, and then it was random accounts.
tim pool
It's like it's like, wait, you want people on EBT to get sugary drinks and ice cream cones?
Like, what?
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, these people are scumbags.
unidentified
I'm gonna pull up a list of all of them and call every single one of them out.
tim pool
Let me see.
How do I search for this?
Because I was I was I was pulling up a bunch of these accounts earlier.
connor tomlinson
I I I will say though, that giving India internet access means that its reputation will now never recover.
tate brown
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
The amount of things that online Indians have claimed to have invented, like spoons and the number zero, obviously not indoor plumbing.
Um it's just completely absurd.
tim pool
Here are the accusations that I can't I'm not gonna say are verified.
Uh this is just a tweet someone put out.
It's got 1,500 retweets.
connor tomlinson
It's from Aesthetica on X. Yeah, he's been doing good work recently.
Half a million follows on that girl with the knife and the axe.
Yeah, he's good.
tim pool
Aestheticus has list of paid propaganda accounts who took money to shill for India.
Gunther Eagleman, election wizard, Chuck Calesto, Ion Patriot, Ryan A. Fournier, DC Draeno, Matt Wallace, Defiant L's, and CN violations.
Am I missing something?
And you can see all of these people all of a sudden shilling for India.
I believe that they should be banned.
Uh it is I don't believe that they should be allowed to lobby on behalf of a foreign government, undisclosed to the American people.
I I don't care who they are, their ideologies, or whatever.
I'm not playing stupid games.
I'm sick of people.
I don't know who, but there's gonna be a lot of people who are gonna be like, Oh, but he's on our side.
I better not call him out.
Like, what if you won't interview me?
He's got a big following.
Don't care.
Literally don't care.
I'll be careful because I I can't say definitively to any of these people.
Like you got DC Draeno here.
I don't know that he actually took money to post this.
He actually says, El Salvador, the media wants to paint El Salvador, Argentina, India, et cetera, as problems, but the C C P is a true threat.
connor tomlinson
Uh I don't know that's the line that everyone's been saying.
Can I just add a C C P is this?
tim pool
I want to clarify.
connor tomlinson
No, India's a true threat.
tim pool
I want to clarify.
Okay, let me let me clarify this for D. Let me clarify this for DC Draeno, who did not explicitly come out and attack Trump's tariffs on India, simply made a post that was critical of the C C P. I want to make sure this is clear and sorry for interrupting, but I want to make sure we say this definitively right now that it does not appear that he is in line with the with the other posts that were clearly lobbying for India.
Just because he mentioned India doesn't mean he was paid to do this.
And I think it's important to make sure we say that because I don't want to accuse anybody of something they did not do.
Now, as for these other posts, the images we have, many of them outright were defending India and saying we shouldn't tariff them all at the same time.
And it appears that some some other accounts have outright stated that they were lobbying.
connor tomlinson
So a little bit of context that I've heard from Washington Whispers.
You know the recent uh uh pipeline between posters and the administration.
Obviously, most posters noticed that as soon as that Sikh driver, the illegal immigrant, made the uh U-turn, uh, before they found out they had killed a Haitian family, they thought they were white, and so there was a lot of anti-white hatred being emanated from the Indian subcontinent, these sort of things, ever since you know Vivek Fundraisers, too.
Yeah, Vivek insulted uh uh American culture and said that actually working like a giant anthive country is much better.
Uh the sort of salience of India being a negative force um has been growing.
And it was recently mentioned on NACON on Tuesday uh by Eric Eric Schmidt and Senator, the the H1B visa system is being exploited by Indians and that this should just be stopped entirely.
India should not receive any visas whatsoever.
I have heard that uh the Indians put in a very concerned call around DC to try and butter up a few senators and congresspeople to try and get them to thwart this lock.
tim pool
What's the tariff that Trump has putting out in India?
What's the percentage?
Do you know?
connor tomlinson
I don't know the percentage.
tim pool
Let me let me let me look this up, bro.
connor tomlinson
But there is there is a general trend away from divesting against India.
I know Israel's like cutting a deal with India.
tim pool
I mean, look at look I'm sorry, just look at this like political political.
We're at DEF CON one, India bruised by US tariffs, closes up to Russia and China.
Yeah, I I agree that's not a good thing.
phil labonte
No, India, I mean, there's you know whatever many one point, however many billion of them.
tim pool
Um sorry, fifty percent uh is the announced uh tariff on Indian exports because of what we just saw on X. I want the Trump administration to set it seventy-five.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I want India to be punished for daring to insult the American people with this attempt.
Make the t double the tariffs, Trump, put them at 100% and publicly state if you try to pay personalities in our country to shill on behalf of you, because we the American people voted a man who's gonna put tariffs in place, we will punish you twice as much.
Crank it up.
connor tomlinson
Tax remissances too.
Yeah, yeah, too.
phil labonte
I mean, everyone knows my opinion on remittances and and immigration.
Well, I mean, I so like I generally I've had a uh historically I've had a a favorable opinion of India.
This is pet like up until 1974.
No, I mean like but like I don't think that uh I don't think that India is as much of a threat as China.
I think China's a significantly saying that.
He said that just a few minutes ago.
connor tomlinson
Indi India is entirely like ethnically captured.
phil labonte
Yeah, and so to you Indians to the UK I get what you're saying, but to the United States, China is a far more.
connor tomlinson
If you're a military and economic foe, are Chinese nationals, other than students, of course, um flooding your country with their co-ethnics.
Like, are they infiltrating sectors that Americans could do?
Are they whenever some one of their co-ethics kills an American lobbying on the bottom of the body?
phil labonte
What I'm talking about is purely a geopolitical, not about an invasionary.
connor tomlinson
You can you can recover from a geopolitical foe.
You can recover from economic collapse.
You cannot recover from demographic replacement.
And the Indians are doing that.
So that is much worse a problem.
And there are far many of them, uh far far more of them.
phil labonte
Um that's partially because that's partially that's because the the whole subcontinent was was British colony before, and so the the British feel like it's we we owe these people uh free.
connor tomlinson
Well, it's because we've got the 1948 British Nationality Act, which was passed by a bunch of socialists following the Second World War and post-colonialism, which allows them to vote in our elections even if they're not citizens.
phil labonte
Oh, that's a terrible.
connor tomlinson
So Indians, Pakistanis, Nigerians, they can just come over and be like, yes, I'll just vote for the Indian.
phil labonte
That's a tricky.
tate brown
There's also I mean, there's a stat which is horrifying, which is they could distribute 10 million Indians to every country on earth and still have well over a billion people left.
connor tomlinson
Oh NACON, there was a guy who was saying that oh, he was on a panel about the threat of Islam in in the US, and he was yet again saying, Oh, you know, it's just Islamists, it's not you know, the moderate Muslims aren't a problem.
For example, we've taken a bunch of Muslims from a bunch of countries.
We've taken in point one percent of the population of India.
And I was like, you've taken in like what's that three billion?
13 million Indians?
tate brown
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
Like why have you done this?
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
It's just insane.
tate brown
Yeah, I mean, ultimately, like their image is just in the like just from the toilet.
From yeah, from the toilet as well.
Yeah, because just like from the layman's perspective, when you see the videos and the interactions, these sorts of things, it's like because before the before the internet, really just before Twitter in the last like 10 years and Instagram, like India was seen as this like mysterious, you know, oh, this like spiritual country, like the Beatles India.
connor tomlinson
Indian immigrants were seen as a poot, like hardworking fancy.
tate brown
Right, yeah.
And then like and that's that was the the what I was referring to, which is And all in all fairness, you know, I don't like to give the Canadians many W's because you know they're they're really, you know, they they they self-harm, unfortunately.
But the Canadians were the like really leading the charge on the India, the India, because they got flooded like 10 years ago.
15, well, 15, 20 years ago at this point, and it's like they saw immediately what what the volume, what of like that massive of a volume of immigrants could do to your country.
And it's grim up there.
I mean, like the lines out the door for applications up, like a coffee shop.
Like if you're a young person in Canada, you're completely cooked.
And I mean, it's yeah, exhibit A, really, for why you should why I guess why Indians are more of a threat.
connor tomlinson
The problem the problem is en masse as well, like many countries from the third world, it's not just uh a problem of transplanting their culture, uh, because it's a deeply held privilege because of rates of cause and marriage in that part of the world, because of the um clan-ish family networks, they don't think very individualistically.
They they only extend moral consideration in so far as you're a member of their family, you're member of their faith, you're a member of their shared ethnicity.
And so you aren't gonna get the same civilization if you input that ethic and the ethnicity into America.
You're gonna get India at the end of it, you're not gonna get a lot of Indians who act like they're Americans.
tate brown
Well, you just ask anyone in tech, they'll say these listings, they list them exclusively for other Indians.
Like they exclude everyone else, not just like everyone else.
phil labonte
Western countries need to rethink their concept of immigration entirely, and specifically the UK needs to do it real soon because and I think that it's happening over there.
I think that it's it's a good thing.
Um, but even in the US, I mean I want to see an end to immigration for like a decade.
Yeah, I don't we don't need to have any more immigrants for 10 years and all H1B visas.
The only exception I would make is the are the the O1 visas, which are actually really, really good asset peep type people to the United States.
tate brown
Well, at the Yeah, at the really street country caps, because we do have country caps on visas, and it's like if if if you are going to maintain a level of immigration, which should be, in my opinion, as well, it should be frozen for an extended period of time.
It's like you do need to prioritize easiest to assimilate into the United States and prioritize those people, and then it should shrink like a peer like a pyramid all the way down.
But I I mean I concur.
I think we need a moratorium for uh decades, probably.
tim pool
I think the the public-facing plan economically, uh, is going to be everybody should be told to expect a population decline and what this is gonna mean for for businesses.
We need a comprehensive plan on how local communities are gonna adapt to that now, so that in five years we don't get the rug pulled out from under us.
phil labonte
Yep.
unidentified
Right.
tate brown
Well, I mean, and I I've pointed out before is India, for example, their fertility is a dip to below replacement.
So it's like just from a very liberal perspective, if you're using immigration as a stopgap for the birth rate, that's not gonna work for much longer.
It's like 20, 30 years, India's gonna start dropping in population.
So it's like you're running out of people across the world.
So I'm just and I'm just being from a liberal perspective of like you can't even they can't even use immigration to backfill the population for the dictate.
phil labonte
What perspective was that?
tate brown
The liberal perspective, the woke perspective.
But no, so it's like, I mean, totally agree.
connor tomlinson
It's like uh I mean it's it's it's a stopgap for so long, and and yeah, well, the Bill and Mulinda Gates Foundation released a study, uh, I think it was earlier last year, and they said by 2100, there's only gonna be six countries in the world, five in Africa, one in Asia that it's gonna have above replacement birth rates.
And so we'll just get all our immigrants from there.
That was genuinely the idea.
tate brown
Yeah.
So it's just utterly ridiculous.
And and and yeah, and it's really difficult for those countries to to build as well when you're just taking like the entire bottom half of their country, because we're taking all their like cheap labor away from them.
Like they're like, oh, they're sending like we're skimming the cream.
It's like that's not what's happening at all.
Like the elite are staying in those countries.
connor tomlinson
We're scraping the cross.
tate brown
Scraping the crust, yeah.
tim pool
I want to grab one more segment because we we haven't gotten to this one yet.
And I would like to talk to you guys about Floyd Gate.
connor tomlinson
I'm gonna get arrested, don't I?
tim pool
Floyd Gate.
Um many of you may be familiar with Elsa Gate.
So this is back in 2018, and we've had different iterations of this.
What this was uh back when there was computer generated Well, I we'll start with the beginning.
People started to realize that if you made a half an hour long video where a woman dressed like Elsa, man like Spider-Man, another man like Joker, and ran around doing nothing, you get millions of views.
This was called Elsa Gate.
It eventually turned into computer generated videos that were very disturbing being sent to children.
The reason was that the algorithm was promoting Elsa, Spider-Man and The Joker.
Children who could uh, you know, literal babies were having tablets put in front of them, and because they couldn't control it, it was auto-playing all of these insane videos, which made people lots of money.
Now, a little while uh I think it was like a year or two ago, but a while ago, Groupers and you know, I guess other trolls on the internet made these AI George Floyd videos, which um many of them it's like, you know, just mocking George Floyd and Chauvin, it was edgy, it was meant to be offensive.
We are now beginning to expire experience what I am calling Floyd Gate.
Okay.
Now, you know, I've had people like like Callan was telling me, oh, you don't know about what what is it called, like George Droid or whatever.
It's like, yeah, they they do this.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no hold on.
I'm not talking about videos like this.
Roll tape.
Wait, we got I gotta I gotta refresh this one.
Here we go.
Here's George Floyd stealing fried chicken and running away.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
tim pool
From George Floyd.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Okay, so this video is Derek Chauvin.
connor tomlinson
Call of Duty sound effect.
tate brown
Yeah, with Ashton Hall video on that's what's overlay.
tim pool
So Derek Chauvin's got buckets of fried chicken, and he has running, and George Floyd is chasing after him with those bramps.
Now, this has got 15,000 likes, which means it may have, you know, 100,000 or more plus views.
Now, of course, videos like this have existed for a while, and people say, no, no, Tim, the trolls and the gripers, they've been making these videos.
And I'm like, No, no, no, no, no.
I know that.
Here's the context.
I want to show you Floyd Gate, and this is Floyd Gate right here.
So let me play this video.
unidentified
*Beep* Da Da Da!
*laughs* Da Da!
Good job.
tim pool
This is a really great example of what I'm talking about.
This is this video has got 1,000 likes, or maybe it's like 40, 50,000 views.
This is not a racist troll or a joke.
It's literally just a home video of a baby saying da-da, and they used AI to turn the dad into George Floyd.
It is not making George Floyd break dance with Derek Chauvin.
It is not showing George Floyd and Derek Chauvin kissing.
It is literally just George Floyd watching a baby say da-da, and nothing happens.
My point is on Instagram, there are videos like this with millions of views, hundreds of thousands of views.
And I believe what's happened is because of the SEO around George Floyd and Derek Chauvin, there are probably people in Pakistan, India, and Singapore or Malaysia or whatever, who are like, if I want to get a big following, I'm gonna make videos that fit with the the algorithm.
These people probably don't know who George Floyd is.
All they know is search volume in the hashtags for George Floyd is probably in the tens of millions.
So they start making AI-generated George Floyd videos that are not jokes that are literal random videos.
That's what Elsa Gate was.
When the first videos of Elsa started popping up, computer-generated random garbage emerged that was nonsensical.
Videos of Spider-Man doing Tai Chi with Hitler, and it made no sense.
That's what we're seeing now on Instagram.
This is gonna be really weird in the future because so many people are getting fed this algorithmic schlopp, and their whole world view is gonna be built on videos of George Floyd as every character and every concept.
There was one I saw where it was like, I think it was like a fitness influencer just talking about like how to do reps.
It was a guy, and it was George Floyd.
And I'm like, this is not even a joke.
It's literally just a guy being like, you know, hey, I'm doing some reps today, we're gonna focus on you know the the lift over here, blah, blah, blah.
And it was like 15 seconds long, and I was like, that's not even funny.
connor tomlinson
That would explain the hashtags as well, because the hashtags are totally incoherent.
So they've got George Floyd, California, Oakland, Trump, Martin Luther, not even King Jr., just uh the Protestant uh drone.
Is in this footage.
Uh yeah, Drake memes, Kendrick AI, shooter breathing.
Uh okay.
unidentified
Yep.
connor tomlinson
George Floyd, NFL Europe, police brutality, Justin Bieber.
tate brown
Well, I think I think what's happening here, like this video is lifted from someone else, most likely.
This is like a like an account that just takes memes from people.
Like I think this is actually an American, well, Western phenomenon because I think this is Zoomer nihilism on full display.
Um, that's I think that's what's going on because this is actually pretty funny if you're a zoomer because it's like post-ironic.
George Floyd is basically the patron saint of the left, so it's like you know you're gonna get a reaction, you know it's like edgy and that sort of thing, and it's transgressing every possible two.
So I think this is Zoomer nihilism on full display.
tim pool
I think we're beyond that, and that's why I call it Floyd Gate.
I think Zoomer Nihilism was when it was jokes, not when it's a random video of a baby saying da-da or otherwise.
But more importantly, the reason why I also call it Floyd Gate is Elsa Gate to a discerning adult was just weird, but to babies, it was a component of their reality.
10 and 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds who are on Instagram, don't know why.
They are being fed videos of George Floyd with a baby in a bathroom.
They they're they're they they they weren't all they weren't.
I mean, how long ago was this?
This is like eight years ago or whatever or something, something.
Or is it five years ago?
So you're looking at 13 year olds, eight years old, and they weren't on Instagram, now they're on Instagram, And they open it up, and Instagram is like, here's George Floyd selling bottles of water on the side of the road.
And they're like, I don't know.
They don't know what it means or why, but they're going to grow up being spam fed these algorithmic videos.
And now I will say this.
It's not just about Floyd videos.
It's about this phenomenon in general across all social media that we can't even recognize that kids are going to be fed.
That is to say, what Else Gate was was just the beginning.
And now we are probably looking at 500 different versions of the same algorithmic slop nightmare being fed to Gen Z and Gen Alpha, which is going to make their brains jello.
connor tomlinson
The reason why I know you're right about this is because even with early YouTube, um, the amount of slop content that I've retained in my brain.
Like I remember probably half of the epic rap battles of history catalog, even without me trying.
Like I'll get up in the shower, uh, get up and shower in the morning and one will enter my head.
And I wish I didn't know it, but I do.
So now they're even they've got even more incoherent crap that they're basing their entire frame of reference.
tim pool
I I really want to stress one of my greatest regrets.
B A B A Up Down B A Left Right B A stuff.
You know what that is?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the That's the level select code for Teenage Mute Ninja Turtles 2 on the NES, which I have not played in probably 30 years.
phil labonte
There's that that's actually the code for multiple of them.
tim pool
Actually, the the Konami code is different.
It's like, you know, B A, up down, B A, left right or something.
But B A, B A, up down, B A, left, right, B A start.
That is Teenage Mate Ninja Turtles 2.
It'll give you nine lives and level select.
I don't want to know that.
But I was like eight years old or whatever, and I wanted to when I wanted to play the game, and this is probably only the course of a month that I played the game, but it's a long time for a kid.
So I was like, I gotta memorize this so I can have the extra lives when I play teenage maintenance turtles.
I am now a 39-year-old man who has never forgotten that code.
Imagine if instead I was taught calculus and could talk to you about it ma advanced mathematical theories or whatever it may be.
Well, that's the upbringing I have, and most people learn things when they were kids, they remember for a long time.
At least when I I got a retro game, I got a bunch of these gaming systems.
I got a Nintendo, I got a I got one of those r retro games where I can have NES, Sega, and SNES, and I have to I can play that and I know the code.
So it's not completely used, it's mostly useless.
What's gonna happen to these kids who grow up memorizing George Floyd videos of nonsense or Elsa videos or otherwise, and they're gonna be 40 and they're gonna be making jokes about George Floyd to people.
tate brown
Yeah, well, that's why this mechanism is called brain rot.
That's like that's the that's the definition of this style of humor is brain rot.
Like if I say this to you, um, baby gronk rizzed up Livy Dunn, does that like mean anything to you?
tim pool
A little bit.
tate brown
A little bit.
Like it it's just something that you it's just it burned in my memory forever, and it's funny when I hear it.
tim pool
And I and George Floyd has 2.4 million posts on the hashtag 2.4 million.
tate brown
It's brain rot.
Your brain is rotting.
tim pool
I I kid you not, it's all AI.
Here's George Floyd, the gigantic nose in a Yarmica.
tate brown
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
That's not an Indian is not capable of alcohol.
tim pool
I understand the trend of making the joke.
tate brown
Maybe, yeah.
tim pool
Like, I'm not calling out the fact that people are like, ha ha, let's let's use George Floyd as a as gags like that.
I'm pointing out videos like this.
There's a bunch of them that aren't even jokes.
That it's getting to the point where you're watching a video of a guy going through a drive-thru and being like, I'll take a number one with uh extra ketchup, and that's it.
And it's George Floyd, and you're like people are just making anything now to hit the algorithm to get those views.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And why not?
Some of them might hit.
You know what I mean?
tate brown
You get me.
tim pool
There's an MMA won 7.4 million views, one million views in a guy in a Burger King hat yelling knit.
This is crazy, dude.
tate brown
Like, I feel like if I if I showed Tim my Instagram reels feed, it would be like a devastating moment.
I think you'd dry fire me.
Like it's bad.
connor tomlinson
Mine are just ducks, donkeys and like sweet costs.
tate brown
Oh, mine is like this basically.
Yeah, it's just variations of this.
connor tomlinson
Look, I do think I do think that the censorship was so culturally stifling for so long that now young white guys have absolutely nothing to lose.
So we make fun of actually everything.
tate brown
The boot is off our neck, quite literally.
phil labonte
Not only that, but the argument that I think this this is a symptom of woke as well, because like or a symptom of critical race theory and stuff.
The argument was look, if you guys don't do these things, then we won't blame you for things that you know has have happened in the past.
And then when when critical race theory became kind of prevalent, you know, it was like, oh, all you white guys are all bad.
You're there's you're no good, and you're all racist and blah, blah, blah, even if they're like actively not racist, right?
So then they're just like, or young guys saw this and they're like, might as well be racist.
Well, you know, well, I mean, what's what's the benefit from not engaging in these jokes?
They make me laugh, and you're gonna call me these names anyways.
There's there's no there's no re r uh reciprocity in it.
It's like, oh, you can do no matter what you do, you're always gonna be bad.
So why should I try not to?
I can make these jokes, they're funny.
They make me and my friends laugh.
tim pool
I actually have a quick question.
As I'm looking through all these George Floyd posts, one of them was political and talking about how Derek Chauvin is a political prisoner and should not be in prison.
How much of this is to drown out people who were making posts calling out the lies of the George Floyd riots.
You can't find it now.
When you when you look at the hashtag, there was one post where it was like there it was, it was breaking down why Chovin was like why he shouldn't be in prison, what was wrong with the case, but every other post is drowning out all those stories.
And we have an actual news story with a real political and and and and judicial crisis in that George Floyd should not be in prison, but he is Derek Chauvin, George Floyd.
I'm sorry, Jerry.
tate brown
Well, both George Floyd showed, yeah.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
George Floyd should not be in prison.
tate brown
He's not alive anymore.
Disavowed.
tim pool
But my point is, whether it's intentional or not, these memes are drowning out the people calling for justice for Derek Chauvin.
tate brown
That's a good point.
Maybe it's an op.
I don't know.
I think people just find it really funny.
connor tomlinson
It might be linked to the price story where it's not dead internet theory, it's just Indian theory.
tate brown
Well, also it's like like Phil was talking about like there's also just a containment breach where like the left can't cancel and they can't cancel people at a high volume like this, where like Tim said there's a million George Floyd reels.
You can't cancel everyone.
So it's like it's just a containment breach.
tim pool
It's not even about that.
It's it's like Bro, all of these videos on this one fly really wants to land in the microphone.
I'm gonna let him.
tate brown
It's a woke fly.
tim pool
Just lands on the microphone.
All these these videos that are just like racist humor, and a lot of them are the repeated jokes.
Okay, you guys talk while I kill this fly.
phil labonte
There's no guarantee that these people are even from the US.
These accounts could be made anywhere.
And because of the internet, you like you not only can they be made from anywhere, but it's probable that you know things like George Floyd no longer are contained contextually to the United States.
tate brown
That's exactly what it is.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's like you they could be they I mean, like people in Southeast Asia will get the joke.
tate brown
That was a point I was like exactly what it is, yeah.
tim pool
That's what I was saying about Malaysia.
They don't care about the joke.
tate brown
Right.
tim pool
They don't know.
All they know is they they go into their bot farm warehouse, and the guy says, we need to get five million views today.
Now here's here's the thing to understand.
We as we as podcasters and creators, we look at our content, we're like, how many views did I get?
Our sales reps will be like, you know, hey, you're you, you know, over the summer you averaged 500, 600,000 views per episode or whatever.
So we can sell ads at this rate, and we're like, okay.
And we do sponsorships that can range from like it could be like 5,000, 10,000, or for live events could be.
We've done a hundred thousand dollar sponsorships before.
Big numbers.
Based off of one company, small amount of employees.
What they do in India is they've got 500 employees in one room, and they say, just get a hundred views each, and we'll make a thousand dollars.
That's a lot of money for these people.
So it doesn't matter on this post that may have only gotten 12,000 views.
It took them 10 seconds to make.
They don't know what the joke is.
All they know is there's 2.4 million George Floyd posts.
So people are attracted to the app to that to that search term.
Make whatever you can, blast it out.
tate brown
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dead internet theory, yeah.
It's just probably like one guy made this, and now they're all just lifting it from each other and reposting out of a million hashtags.
tim pool
I I actually like what you said about India theory or third world theory.
They are bots.
There's, you know, 10 guys in Turkey operating 500 accounts, but it's largely the third world realizing that Instagram, uh, oh, I don't think Instagram is monetizable, but they can do sponsor spots.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You get cash from Instagram.
connor tomlinson
If you pay for the um membership thing, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, right.
connor tomlinson
Uh scheme brother.
tim pool
But largely with like YouTube, with TikTok, there are ways to monetize and acts, acts especially.
Remember that the post from that those Indians where they're like happy payout day.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
Yep.
tim pool
Yo, Elon needs to ban these people.
It's literally turned into millions, and but he probably likes the numbers.
He's like, look at the big increase.
Millions of Indians, Malaysians, and and and Turks are spam posting and responding to each other.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
So what they figured out is they'll post, How are you?
And then they'll respond to each other nonsense to generate revenue, and everyone in the US, all our revenue went down.
connor tomlinson
Because only verified engagement counts.
So verified accounts replying to each other, then yeah.
tim pool
So so there's a finite pool of money that's coming into X. A bunch of third worlders started creating all the replies and generating all the views, and so the pool of money was spread out, and now we in America who make real content are getting less money.
It's almost pointless.
tate brown
Right.
tim pool
I mean, revenue's way down on X and getting worse.
I think we need a region lock.
I I should be able to go on X and say, Don't show me anyone outside of these countries.
tate brown
Yeah.
Well, yeah, with Instagram, it's even worse.
It's that they build the they build their account up and sell it.
Like you can go to these like black market Instagram buying a pages or whatever, and there's millions of accounts listening on it.
I have 20,000 followers, and that's what the price is.
It's crazy.
connor tomlinson
Similarly, we got it.
tim pool
We gotta go to Rumble Rants.
I know we went a little long.
So smash the like button, share the show.
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We got more uh culture war events coming up tomorrow's gonna be fun.
We're debating the um deployment of the National Guard and shout out to Pisco Liddy.
I have no idea how he intends to debate me who is from the South Side of Chicago when he is not, but it'll be interesting anyway.
All right, Shane H. Wilder says I'm more concerned about the attacks on Christians by the left in general.
My parish was broken into five times, and we found out that it was people from planned parenthood at our protests.
unidentified
Whoa, really?
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Geez.
St. Miles says America must liberate Britain and Ireland.
tate brown
So true.
connor tomlinson
I mean, we we appreciate the interventions thus far.
Nigel Farrell was just actually over here testifying uh in front of the House Judiciary Committee, and he did compare us to woke North Korea, and I think that's it's pretty apt.
Yeah.
tim pool
There was a campaign by UNICEF called Take Pooh to the Loo.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
Where they had to encourage people in India to use toilets because it is extremely common for people in India to just go where they stand.
connor tomlinson
Have you seen all of the Australian uh government announcement videos for aboriginals by any chance?
tim pool
No.
connor tomlinson
There's an entire afternoon that you'll enjoy.
Basically they're right.
So one of them, one of them, we can watch them often maybe on the uncensored show.
One of them is an info video telling Aboriginals not to sleep in the road.
Because there was an epidemic of aboriginals because they're nomadic people just unfurling their blankets and sleeping in the road.
In the middle of the road and just getting run over.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
And then there was another one, I think it was UNICEF backed.
There was a a uh like a rap song by aboriginals saying don't be ramarama, don't sniff petrol.
Petrol belongs in a can, because there was an epidemic of them sniffing petrol.
So the Australian government had to develop a non-sniffable petrol because the Aboriginals just got addicted.
tim pool
To sniffing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like huffing.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, like like smelling glue, yeah.
tim pool
We're gonna play those and learn about the plight of the aboriginal in Australia or the uncensored portion of the show.
Please join us.
All right.
Xbox Lad says Trump should blockade the cities that don't want the National Guard there.
No one in or out of the city's burned down.
Omega Rosetsu says Blair White is gonna be big mad about this.
Blair already gave two cents about the issue, and well, Blair doesn't agree that neither guns or trans to be the issue.
Mental health, however.
Yeah, I don't think we should I I I don't believe we should ban people uh from having guns.
The second amendment doesn't say the right to keep in bare arms shall not be infringed unless someone thinks you're crazy.
It says shall not be infringed.
There is the issue of due process if you commit a crime, but if we if we go in that direction, what's gonna happen is liberals are gonna get they're gonna they're gonna diagnose you when they feel like it.
You're gonna get a city doctor who doesn't like you, who's gonna say, based on the behavior this person's exhibited, I think it's fair to determine they are suffering from this ill ailment, and then a cop shows up to your door and says, Listen, the law says that if you're diagnosed, we take your guns from you and they will do it.
That being said, I don't want crazy people to have guns, you know.
But I do think it's a great move by the by the Trump administration because now it forces leftist organizations and liberals to go to the Supreme Court and argue on behalf of gun rights, which could open the door either way for a massive expansion of gun rights.
connor tomlinson
I think that's principled.
I do also think that if you think cutting off your meat and two veg is the solution to your mental problems, you probably shouldn't have a Glock 19.
tim pool
Uh, I agree.
If you are willing to self harm, that that I agree.
If if if you are documented as self harming, then you are a threat to yourself and others.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
But that's I would I would say that's everyone on HRT, everyone on cosmetic surgery, like you know, I think that that's not gonna work.
tim pool
It's gonna have to be surgery, and the reason why is uh Blair White, for instance, could just come out and be like, I'm not actually trans.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, but he is though.
Like he's had lots of cosmetic surgery, he's it's the diagnosis.
Yeah.
tim pool
Cosmetic surgery can't be the line at which you determine someone loses their gun rights.
It's gonna have to be like uh the the challenge is, of course, it will be weaponized by bad people.
It's not an excuse to stop bad people.
So the the reality is it doesn't matter what your laws are so long as you have a moral people that are running your that that that comprise your your your population.
I always say this if everybody in the United States had the exact same moral religious view of Seamus Coglin, you'd need no police because people aren't gonna steal from each other.
connor tomlinson
This is Aristotle's opinion.
The only thing that divides like monarchy and tyranny, democracy and mob rule, aristocracy and oligarchy is the virtue of the the people that comprise the political system.
tim pool
And so long as we have a virtuous population, then absolutely we say ban guns from people who are unwell mentally.
Even like you but the the fact that we have this debate over oh the left will do it to us shows that our society is not virtuous and it's broken.
We should be able to say we don't want crisis to have gun and have to worry about it.
All right, let's go.
Cup of Sooth says both your be gay and don't be gay boards violate Minnesota conversion therapy laws.
tate brown
That's awesome.
Can we put that in the disclaimer?
unidentified
Cannot set cannot ship to Minnesota.
tim pool
Uh, we're allowed to sell it.
It's free speech.
tate brown
Real.
tim pool
All right.
What do we have here?
Our sergeant says, how do we not classify transgenderism as a form of schizophrenia?
I mean, these people are literally unable to mentally accept their own physical reality and are permanently mutilating themselves.
Uh I think it's an interesting argument, actually.
If you believe you're a different biological sex, then you have a distorted view of reality.
Uh that's an interesting argument.
connor tomlinson
Well, most most uh the the the Tavistock clinic in the UK, the sort of infamous trans clinic, did a study of their own patients um uh as to uh there's lots of other studies on this as well, but they found that gender dysphoria is often a subcomorbidity, like a symptom of other related mental disorders.
So it it's an offshoot of having other things wrong with you.
tim pool
Interesting.
Well, I think that's why we see in the data uh people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoric who go on to get sex changes, do not that happiness does not improve.
tate brown
All right.
tim pool
Uh because something else was causing the issue.
And usually what we hear is like, especially for teenagers, they're depressed over an issue, but told the solution's gonna be a sex change, but it's not the solution to the issue.
connor tomlinson
Because desistance rates are between like 60 and 90 percent if you just do nothing.
tim pool
Yep.
And that and with uh suicide suicide rates uh between 30 and 40 percent, that means by doing something, you have a you are you are more likely to cause a suicide than by doing nothing.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
And detransition rates within the Tavistock clinic were up to 30% anyway.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
All right, here we go.
Millennial Mama says, please keep my 39-year-old brother Ryan in your thoughts and prayers.
He's a Navy veteran who stays active and today he has he had chest pain, went to the ER and found out he has a blood clot in his lung.
unidentified
Yikes.
connor tomlinson
Limey, poor guy.
tim pool
Yeah.
Hope everything works out.
Heron Gaming News says, Tim, it's so good to see you.
I thought Ian took you to his spaceship and did experiments.
No, the the best conspiracy theory was that I was working with Dan Bangino on redacting the 33,000 Epstein files I got rid of these that took took three weeks.
Yeah.
All right.
Corbin says the British crited Pakistan in 47, and now you are overrun by them.
Do you all regret it now?
Also, what is the opinion on the Sikh migration globally?
connor tomlinson
Okay, so the British Empire was fantastic for everyone else and terrible for Britain in retrospect.
Like it was a giant charitable enterprise preventing bride burning and slavery, but we ended up with Pakistanis running our home office and our politics.
So yeah, terrible idea.
Um if we gave them independence, I'd love to shut our doors to them forever, and they should basically all go back.
As far as Sikh migration, look, um, they might be charitable people in their good warrants, but their religion doesn't belong in my country.
Pro-Chalistan independence movements don't belong in my country.
If you'd like to agitate for that, go elsewhere.
unidentified
Based.
tim pool
Indeed.
What do we got here?
Tyrant God says the UK has also been arresting U.S. citizens for things they have said online on US grounds upon arrival.
Don't fly to the UK.
Is that true?
connor tomlinson
That's he's referencing Graham Linahans because he made those tweets while in Arizona.
tim pool
But he he's saying they've also arrested US citizens.
connor tomlinson
That's probably what he's referencing.
Because Graham he probably thinks Graham Lynnehan is a U. citizen.
I don't think I don't think.
When he added the word also, I don't think I don't think.
tim pool
The context was we said Graham Linhan was from Ireland.
connor tomlinson
Yes.
tim pool
Made a treat in America.
The Super Chat says they've also been arresting U.S. citizens.
connor tomlinson
He he might have put citizens when he meant the fact that Graham Lynnihan has like a visa to stay in the US as considering he's working.
Because I've never heard of a case of that.
I've never heard of a case of a US citizen arrested for something they've said online in Britain.
tim pool
Nigel Farage warned Americans.
connor tomlinson
Could be.
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
Because it sets the precedent.
We arrest 12,000 people a year.
At least, actually, sorry, because a bunch of police forces didn't give the data over when asked.
tim pool
Well, you know, it all went wrong with that Count Dankula guy.
connor tomlinson
Or R.I.P. to Buddha.
The dog died.
Oh, really?
Yeah, he was not.
tim pool
When Count made the BLM one, it's it's a much better video.
connor tomlinson
It's great.
tim pool
Yeah.
Because I I love when he's like the the music starts playing, it's like it's the Labour Party.
Oh no, I gotta hide some books, and then he finds the Torah.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, the Quran.
Oh, they're gonna be fine with that line.
tim pool
He puts it back.
connor tomlinson
Did you did you watch his most recent video on why Indians keep getting hit by trains?
unidentified
No.
connor tomlinson
Please watch it.
Right, okay.
So it's not just that they um are status seeking because the of the car system, it's not just because they have low IQ and impulse control because of cousin marriage.
Um there is the the the word juggernaut comes from the Jagannath, which is a giant statue of a Hindu god on wheels.
They've been building this like once a year.
It's the only time that the untouchables would ever get to see their gods.
And because they believe that their karma was quite low, they would often throw themselves and their children under the wheels.
So there might be something in the Indian ethno memory that just goes, oh, giant death machine.
tim pool
Oh, wait, their karma was low?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, because they're untouchables.
So if they make a sacrifice of themselves to a giant statue of their god, they'll be reincarnated into a better cast in the next life.
There's a New York Times article that's documenting him like seeing women just throw themselves onto the wheels and getting mushed.
unidentified
What?
connor tomlinson
In like the 19th century.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
Jeez.
tate brown
Yeah, there's like an absurd amount of them getting hit by trains.
Like they film themselves.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, there's a trend called Kilfies.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
They're just like Indian guys like smiling as a locomotive just speeding towards them.
tate brown
It's insane.
tim pool
Taylor Lorenz's ex-wife says, very disappointed in Trump admin for the news today.
HRT and medicalization alone is not a good reason to ban gun ownership.
I don't mean anyone any harm.
I'm professionally managed working towards fixing my dysphoria and happy with the new me.
connor tomlinson
That sounds like uh uh standpoint epistemology for me.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, sorry.
tim pool
You I mean, I uh you know, I I gotta be honest, like my attitude on guns is largely uh you cannot track any and like there's no way to create a comprehensive system that will stop bad people from having guns.
The idea that we're gonna be like mentally people mentally ill people shouldn't have guns, it's like you know, we'll we'll try to keep dangerous people from having guns for the most part, but the reality is you can't, the only thing you can do is have a society that has guns itself and can stop bad people before they are.
phil labonte
I mean, look, pre-crime doesn't work.
Right?
Like, I mean, the idea that you can prevent crime or or you can prevent people from carrying out crimes, I mean, you can do things that'll deter it, but you're not gonna be able to say you're going to commit a crime, so we're gonna imprison you or take away your rights because we believe we can see the future.
You have laws and you have a justice system to punish people that have committed crimes.
But you if you're going to live in a free society, it's really hard to say you we believe you're going to commit a crime.
We believe we can see the future, you're gonna commit a crime, so we're gonna take away certain rights from you.
connor tomlinson
But just in the same way that you would not in a sane society allow a heroin addict dying on the street to keep taking heroin, you'd put them in a rehabilitation center.
I don't think you should.
phil labonte
We're clearly not a sane society.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, I'm saying in a sane, in moving towards being prescriptive.
Don't sell guns to confuse transsexuals, have empathy for their plight, like the super chat that's that's called in, but I don't think you should have a firearm.
tim pool
Doc Flamingo says, all hail his majesty Sargon the first and his prime minister Tommy Robinson.
connor tomlinson
Long live.
So so Robinson, I don't think would ever be a government minister, but I think a healthy society would actually be to um give him some sort of commendation to acknowledge the tiresome work he's done on the grooming gangs.
phil labonte
But would would Carl be the king?
Would would he accept that?
connor tomlinson
I I think it would require too much time away from painting Warhammer miniatures.
tim pool
He wouldn't have a choice.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah, you don't get your birthright.
Yeah.
tim pool
The the house of Benjamin.
connor tomlinson
I don't I don't think we know who uh who who the next Cromwell's gonna be at, but they will emerge eventually.
tim pool
I mean, uh Charles is an old guy, right?
Like he's very old.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it's like mid-70s.
Yeah, he's not very well.
He's had prostate cancer.
Um yeah, he's uh if you you can get lots of videos of him reading Quran versus Wow.
Yeah, he's he's an Arabist.
So he also gave Canada the Canada back to the indigenous oh the land acknowledgement thing.
tate brown
Yeah like a Thursday afternoon.
tim pool
When the king comes and says this land doesn't belong to us and we're illegally occupying it.
phil labonte
His title is Defender of the Faith, isn't it?
connor tomlinson
Faiths.
phil labonte
Oh, is it Faiths?
Is it change?
connor tomlinson
He wanted he wanted to say it's coronation faiths.
And he keeps bringing loads of imams to palace property.
They hosted anything.
phil labonte
But historically it is meant to be defender of the faith.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it's meant to be.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
We're gonna go to the uncensored show and learn about the plight of the aboriginals in Australia and and figure out why they're sleeping in the middle of the streets and things like this.
So smash the like button, share the show with everyone, you know, and head over to Rumble.com slash Timcast I R L for the uncensored portion of the show, which will be up in about 30 or so seconds.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at Timcast.
Connor, do you want to shout anything out?
connor tomlinson
Yes, uh Connor Thompson on YouTube, where you can catch Thomas and Talks at 7 p.m.
UK time every Thursday.
Also I write for outlets like Colorage Media and the Critic, and you can find all of my links, content, and complaints about migration in the UK at con underscore Thomanson on X. Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram and X at RealTate Brown and uh watch today's sh uh segment on the culture war, interviewed the legend, Viva Fry.
tate brown
It was a great, great interview.
Check that out.
phil labonte
I am Phil that remains on Twix.
The band is all that remains.
You can follow the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, YouTube, and Deezer.
Don't forget the left lien is for crime.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL.
Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
tim pool
All right.
Uh we're playing ethnoguesser.
What so how to play the game is anthropological data and human phenotypes.net.
You will be shown male and female facial averages from a given ethnic group.
Your job is to guess on the map where they are from historically.
All right, nobody nobody say anything.
connor tomlinson
Oh, so it's oh, so you click you basically faces and you click the map where you think it is.
tim pool
Oh, but but like what's like the hold on.
Really?
connor tomlinson
Just like this map right here.
Go up and press play.
Play to oh no, hang on, go down.
Sorry.
Should be play today's game.
Go down.
tim pool
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, so they're Asian.
Yeah, yeah.
And um So they'll be like Japanese.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, yeah, they look Japanese.
unidentified
Wow.
connor tomlinson
Slightly like slightly longer faces.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and uh uh slightly paler.
Yeah, uh a paler skin.
Now, which part of Japan is the question.
I don't believe it's Tokyo.
connor tomlinson
I'm gonna Nero Osaka.
tim pool
You think near Osaka?
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tate brown
There's a little something going on.
tim pool
I don't I was I was thinking more of the north, actually.
unidentified
Oh, really?
connor tomlinson
Oh, because they might not be as round as sort of South Korea.
tim pool
Right.
And and and the and and a little bit more pale.
unidentified
Well, you might be maybe be like, you know, Sakata or Sendak.
tim pool
Uh let's just go with uh here.
connor tomlinson
Confirm.
Sweet.
Hey 5,000 bullseye.
tim pool
Wow, wait.
I was I bullseyed it.
connor tomlinson
You bulldozed it.
tim pool
Boom, motherfucker.
connor tomlinson
See an addictive game already.
tim pool
Okay, so but look, it was a it was a pretty wide berth.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Um and and look at that.
Even actually in South Korea.
No shit.
connor tomlinson
There we go.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
It's called Choshu.
Oh, this is fun.
Uh uh I knew because these are my people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Right.
tim pool
I am uh Korean Japanese.
tate brown
Ancestral memory.
connor tomlinson
Ancestral memory.
tate brown
Ancestors.
tim pool
So you could have got a lighter if you went into China even.
But um the one thing I think it's important for a lot of people when they say like Asians look the same.
Not to me.
connor tomlinson
No, they don't.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
No.
tim pool
Uh Japanese people are white.
They have pale skin.
tate brown
Real.
tim pool
Yeah, and then when you get into Southeast Asia, Vietnam, you get the darker Laoshen.
Uh they have they have a they have a darker uh skin.
And uh uh yeah.
Koreans are round face.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, well, even in um Squid Game, you can tell the difference between the North Koreans and South Koreans.
tim pool
Oh, see, I'm not I'm not good at this one.
connor tomlinson
I would I would Romanian, yeah, near near Ukraine, Romania.
tate brown
I'd say Romanian.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
You think Romania?
connor tomlinson
I think maybe Georgia.
tim pool
I I'm I'm no good at that.
tate brown
I think Georgian cheeky Georgia there, yeah.
tim pool
So what do you guys want to do?
tate brown
Does the woman look?
phil labonte
Go with Moldova.
tim pool
She's been she's Moldova?
phil labonte
Yeah, right there.
unidentified
Moldova.
tim pool
Moldova.
connor tomlinson
Moldova's a good bet.
tate brown
It's not getting available.
That's Romanian.
So it's just gonna we have a two in one chance here.
tim pool
Well, that's Russia now.
tate brown
Yeah, true.
tim pool
I don't think it's Moldova.
You think so?
I don't think so.
tate brown
He looks like an like an Igor.
tim pool
Uh look at him.
I I actually I actually think this is closer to Georgia.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Just click a click a random Uber.
tim pool
I actually I think Georgia's probably a better bet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
Because you can see that they have a bit of the uh uh uh there's a Persian, Turkish kind of kind of but uh what do you guys want to pick?
connor tomlinson
You want to pick Moldova?
I said Georgia first, so I'll Georgia Georgia.
tim pool
Georgia.
Uh there is Georgia.
Where is it?
connor tomlinson
It's down the literally.
tim pool
Oh, right.
I was looking at earlier.
Wrong.
phil labonte
Oh, look at Moldova!
Moldova!
So racist!
tim pool
It actually was Moldova.
connor tomlinson
Yeah!
He's really good at this as well.
tim pool
You guys were right.
But look at that, even Italy.
connor tomlinson
I wasn't expecting it.
unidentified
Whoa!
connor tomlinson
Oh, okay, right.
tim pool
Um, literally I think.
tate brown
I don't know.
connor tomlinson
I was gonna say, I've seen thousands of these people in London.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
I think Atlanta.
No, no, deep in the hall of Africa.
Yeah.
tate brown
This will be it's more Memphis, I think, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
This one's so that's that's it's definitely not northern.
It's not Ethiopia.
Um not Kenyan.
tate brown
And it's not West African, it's West African.
connor tomlinson
It's definitely West African.
tim pool
I think I agree.
It's not it's not your your uh uh sub-Saharan.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, it'll be it'll be close to Ghana or like Bikina Faso.
tim pool
Senegal.
phil labonte
No Cameroon.
tate brown
I he's can't he's screaming Camera.
tim pool
You think Ghana.
phil labonte
Check Nigeria.
tate brown
He looks like he speaks French.
tim pool
Nigeria.
phil labonte
Nigeria.
tate brown
Yeah, I think it's Cameroon.
tim pool
You think you you okay?
tate brown
It looks French to me.
connor tomlinson
If it if it if it is Cameroon, it'll overlap with Nigeria.
I think it's okay.
tim pool
Are we gonna go vote on where you guys want to go?
tate brown
I'd go on the border of Nigeria and Cameroon.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, agreed.
phil labonte
I'd listen to Surge if it's Africa.
tim pool
He's African.
phil labonte
Yeah.
unidentified
Angola Cameroon, somewhere like that.
tim pool
All right.
connor tomlinson
Cameroon is boom.
tim pool
Oh wow, way off as Bobo.
This is a Bo's Burkina Faso.
phil labonte
Oh, he was like, Nigeria, I would have been in the red with the Oh bro, this is South America.
tate brown
South America, come on.
unidentified
These are these are range short poisoned dolts out.
Yeah.
tate brown
Indiana Jones hates to see these.
tim pool
We want to do we want to say Mato Grasso or what do you think?
tate brown
Yeah, do we get avant-garde and go like Deep Brazil?
tim pool
Boa Vista.
phil labonte
Yeah, why not?
tim pool
Let's right here in Amazonas.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, something like that.
unidentified
Oh.
Okay.
tim pool
All right, close, close.
tate brown
Amazonin.
You Amazon.
tim pool
All right, all right.
You know, the poison dark people.
unidentified
All right.
Oh, Bob.
Canada!
tim pool
He was tweeting all the Toronto.
phil labonte
I'm gonna say Toronto, right?
unidentified
London?
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
tim pool
Okay, but where in India?
connor tomlinson
That's that's like down quite low Indian.
tim pool
You think so?
tate brown
It could be Sri Lankan, you know.
unidentified
That could be.
tate brown
I mean, it's Tamil for sure.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
connor tomlinson
It's a it's the yeah.
unidentified
So do you want to say like um that's exactly what camp of the same Tindagle?
Yeah, all right.
connor tomlinson
Hey, Matt, you know, okay.
phil labonte
Oh, look at that.
tim pool
Bullshit that nailed it.
unidentified
Very good.
Very nice.
phil labonte
No, I knew that's Tamil.
tate brown
You can't hide from me.
I know a Tamil when I see one.
tim pool
I think it's funny.
I only got the Asians.
I'm sucking at everything.
tate brown
Oh, hear me.
Hear me out.
I think we're talking Central Asia.
Just hear me out.
phil labonte
I think we're talking.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, yeah, they're like they're like step people, aren't they?
unidentified
They are.
tate brown
You can see them on a horseback.
tim pool
Uh It's gonna be Kazakhstan.
It's it's probably gonna be uh they can you can clearly tell they're like they're basically Russia Chinese people.
phil labonte
The Western the Western clothing, like the Western collar throws me off a little bit.
unidentified
I think he's a curious time.
phil labonte
Oh no.
Russians.
tim pool
To be fair, to be fair.
When we were wrong, we weren't that wrong.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, we're not far off.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Like our score is actually not that it's like you know Siberian though.
tate brown
Oh New Guinea.
connor tomlinson
Yeah, you're not you're probably not far off.
tim pool
Maybe New Guinea, huh?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, you're probably not far off.
tim pool
Alright.
phil labonte
Yeah, I was gonna say they wouldn't be way off.
India!
India!
tim pool
Zero, bro.
You were so wrong.
I felt like these are Eskimos, right?
tate brown
This game fires me up.
connor tomlinson
These are uh are they made out of rock?
tim pool
I mean these are Eskimos, yeah?
phil labonte
These are like no, uh I I'm going I'm going with uh South America.
I don't know what America?
connor tomlinson
This is a this is a I'm pretty sure I fought these guys in a JRPG.
tim pool
Alright.
Chile?
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
tate brown
I don't think they're Eskimo.
Archimos are lighter.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
phil labonte
Definitely not Argentina.
tate brown
I don't see any quite fall down.
connor tomlinson
Are they not Peruvian?
tate brown
Do we see any blubber around their mouths?
phil labonte
I would say like Peru, maybe an Argentina.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what?
Based on our hair.
tate brown
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, we're confirmed.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tate brown
Guess so.
tim pool
Okay.
Oh, look at that.
It was Chile, I was right there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
They're few goids.
tim pool
We could have done Chile.
I was right the first time.
Uh this has gotta be like India, right?
tate brown
Oh no.
I was I was thinking Miss like like Central America.
connor tomlinson
Uh no, no, no, she looks Indian.
tim pool
No, look at the clothes.
Look at the clothes.
connor tomlinson
But just the just the facial structure.
She looks Indian.
I would say I would say higher India.
tim pool
That's what I was thinking.
connor tomlinson
They're like Brahmin cost.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what do you think?
New Delhi?
connor tomlinson
Yeah, New Delhi.
unidentified
Doom.
Whoa!
No!
phil labonte
Straight up Mexico.
tim pool
Straight up Mexicans, dude.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
Oh, you're this.
tim pool
I saw that one on the Okay, these are Mexicans, right?
connor tomlinson
Are they no?
They're like Mongolian step people.
tate brown
These are like Mongols.
Yeah, these are Mongols.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright.
tate brown
It has to be.
phil labonte
No.
What?
tim pool
And we're in you?
Damn.
tate brown
That's who's gonna stop us in Greenland.
tim pool
That's it.
connor tomlinson
That's it.
That's today's game.
tim pool
Wow.
So is it is it the same people every time?
connor tomlinson
No, it mixes up every time.
They use like procedurally generated faces.
tim pool
Oh no, no, it's the same game every day.
connor tomlinson
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm saying like every day it's a lot of people.
connor tomlinson
Each day they do a new one, yeah.
tate brown
And this game gets me fired up.
tim pool
I'm gonna go ahead and say it's the Gangton.
See?
tate brown
That was a good shout.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we already knew the answer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tate brown
Now let's this is our first time playing ever.
tim pool
Let's pull up the uh aboriginal thing.
How do I find that?
connor tomlinson
Oh, I sent it to search.
tim pool
You posted it?
tate brown
I'm so glad you brought this up.
This is this is one of the greatest stories in.
tim pool
Don't sleep in the road.
tate brown
This is amazing.
connor tomlinson
You gotta play the music as well, yeah.
unidentified
We got it.
Why?
connor tomlinson
There was an epidemic about it.
unidentified
But like, why what are you doing?
Don't sleep on the road.
tim pool
What the fuck?
Do they have these for South Africa where they're like, stop raping children?
tate brown
I wish.
unidentified
I wish.
tate brown
Or London.
tim pool
You can't cure yourself of AIDS by raping a baby.
tate brown
They promote it, I think.
connor tomlinson
Stop, stop, wait, is there another one?
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
That's great.
tate brown
That's so good.
connor tomlinson
Bear in mind, Australian.
So I'm not Australia and tax dollars are gonna do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
connor tomlinson
It's a ball pack actually.
That's far good.
unidentified
Anthony.
Hey.
Come on, Fan.
Come on.
tim pool
Open your hands.
tate brown
Oh, it's all right.
connor tomlinson
No, no, no, no.
tate brown
Oh, yeah, like a little.
Yeah, yeah.
Somebody goes like laugh.
unidentified
Wait, so I've got to send you another one a minute.
Come on.
Come on.
Yeah.
Come on.
so much Wait, I got a better one for you.
tim pool
A better one for you.
tate brown
can we cover this, please?
This could be my big break.
unidentified
No.
Oh, dude.
connor tomlinson
Oh, this is horrendous.
I've always hate this one.
tate brown
No guesser, but my PSA is.
unidentified
Never mind.
connor tomlinson
We'll all text money went to this.
This is the UN.
Oh, gosh.
unidentified
Oh my god.
tim pool
Can you play the song?
unidentified
I see a pile of shit staring at me.
I close my eyes.
connor tomlinson
I step away.
unidentified
No matter where I go.
There's no getting away.
Oh my god!
This is uh This is my new nightmare, bro.
connor tomlinson
That's terrifying.
tate brown
Yeah, I've seen enough.
800,000 HMPs.
I'm gonna Hey yo, uh, need 'em.
tim pool
I'm gonna upload this song to Suno.
connor tomlinson
So have you seen the other one?
tim pool
We're gonna make a metal core version.
unidentified
Yes, please.
tate brown
Can we get like polka?
tim pool
I'm gonna use Phil's voice from one of his songs.
phil labonte
Awesome.
connor tomlinson
Constipation scream.
tim pool
All right, let's uh let's bring the callers in.
We got A. Ray.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Uh A Ray, what is up?
unidentified
There, unmuted.
It's Andrew, but uh that's the handle there.
phil labonte
Hi.
unidentified
Greetings, everybody.
Uh question for the panel.
Thanks so much for uh letting me on.
Um in your own life, career, uh, talking about meaning in this generation.
How necessary for you was a feeling of calling, purpose, destiny, you know, contributing to your success.
And for those who are still kind of adrift, who do you feel in culture, community should like take on the personal responsibility for helping people find that?
tim pool
Um good strong men as an obligation of everybody.
Yeah, I don't know.
Us, you, them.
connor tomlinson
I feel like most men need a reason to get up and be able to justify looking themselves in the mirror in the morning.
And so if you're capable of living by your own conscience and doing that, then you're probably doing the right thing.
tim pool
Are you are you referencing that video I put up earlier from about the music video?
unidentified
Um with uh um Oh, doggone it.
tim pool
Haley Williams.
unidentified
The will of the people or a different one.
tim pool
No, no.
Um, I have a new channel that's uh at Tim Poole.
I'm gonna put random whoever knows what the fuck when I feel like it, but like I did a commentary on PBD, got like 200k, which is massive for us, had small channels.
unidentified
I had actually just seen that PBD where, you know, someone was talking about intrinsic motivators, and that's that's my concern.
It seems like people who are successful kind of dismiss the whole calling and destiny intrinsic motivator thing.
Um go ahead.
tim pool
Oh, I did a video on this uh at Tim Pool.
24,000 subs on Haley Williams.
She's the Paramour singer, she has a new video out.
And uh she has an album that came out called Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party, and the song is called Glum.
It's the first song.
And I'm just making some inferences here, but Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party, and then she says in the first line, in the wake of your sunshine, I've never felt so glum.
One of the last verses in the song, or it's like the bridge.
She says that I'll I'll paraphrase it, I don't need to sing it.
She's 37, and she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing here, or if she'll even ever understand or know.
And is that normal?
And I'm like, sounds like you went to a bachelorette party where you saw someone getting married and having a family, and then you got super depressed, and you don't know the purpose of life, and you're in your mid to late 30s, which is kind of scary.
But like that whole video, it's 20 minutes long.
I'm basically talking about exactly what you're saying.
Millennials are listless and unmotivated, and um don't know why they exist, and that is not normal.
So, like that's basically the point of the commentary.
She's like, is this normal?
I'm like, no.
Literally, for tens of thousands of years, people always knew their purpose.
They had families and communities, and they they worked towards the will of God or the creator, whatever faith system they had.
It is only recently with this mass explosion of secular atheism and liberalism where people are like, I'm in my mid-30s and I have no idea why I'm alive, and they're depressed and nihilistic.
That is not normal.
So, how do we reverse this?
unidentified
Strong men must make uh good times.
tim pool
Or I guess to be ever to be honest, like these people will just slowly die off.
unidentified
You mentioned the religious aspect.
Do you know that that was actually a part of the Jewish faith with the Ten Commandments?
There was a weekly commandment to find meaning, that the word one of the words for work was a direct corollary to finding meaning and purpose.
Um that was a weekly commandment for that culture for thousands of years that you can't even rest.
You can't imagine resting unless you felt a sense of meaning throughout the week.
tim pool
I think uh I basically say in the Watch the video if you want to watch me talk about music video and like the the millennial you know the the general idea is does she as a celebrity, aging millennial who my understanding I don't know anything about her, but I'm assuming like unmarried and childless like so many millennials.
Does she actually feel this way, or is she just trying to tap into the millennial nihilism, which the market and the music industry knows they can profit off of?
That's not to be smirch your reputation.
I'm saying if you're selling, you know, a product, you're gonna sell the product people want to buy, like chocolate ice cream, not spinach ice cream.
So are millennials so dejected and broken that they're basically like this resonates with me and I'll and I want this.
connor tomlinson
They want co-rumination.
They don't want to be reminded of the poor choices.
tim pool
Yeah, they want to be told it's normal that you're you're listless and nihilistic.
Uh they may just die.
They're not gonna have kids and they'll cease to exist.
unidentified
You know?
Yeah.
tim pool
There you go.
unidentified
Well, I appreciate it.
I appreciate you calling attention to it.
I know Gallup organization called 1,500 people for four years, and only about 12 to 13% of people on a good day felt connected to the work that they were doing.
So this has been going on for quite a while.
tim pool
Yeah.
But uh to answer your question, simply uh it is our responsibility to instill in everyone and all around us a sense of purpose and uh and drive.
And my the point I made in that video is basically your purpose is really simple.
Um you have divine uh mandate.
God tells you what to do.
I'm not saying Christian God.
I'm saying human life exists for a reason, and you must continue to be the best that you can be.
We can look at it logically.
Uh all life acts as negative entropy uh so long as they're in a greater entropic system.
You will organize things into complex systems.
So clean, create, build, and have kids.
That's what life does.
When you deviate from that, you are unhappy.
connor tomlinson
Also, if you don't derive actual meaning from your work, um, and I do, but it can get a bit depressing sometimes given the state of my country.
Find something else meaningful, constructive, wholesome to do outside of it.
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