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phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		An appeals court has thrown out the $500 million penalty that Donald Trump got from Letitia James in the, I think it was the New York Second District or whatever.
		Marco Rubio paused truck driver visas for basically the whole country.
		I believe Donald Trump and the administration is reviewing $550 million or no, $55 million visas for violations.
		I think that's going to end up with a lot of deportations.
		And he's also going on patrol tonight in DC.
		I imagine that he is not going to be dressing up like Christy Noam does, but we'll see what happens.
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		Mike Crispy.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Let's go.
		Great to be back, guys.
		Great to be back on Timcast.
		My third time.
		Mike Crispy, TV host on Real America's Voice, last call, Saturday Nights at Trump Delegate in Surrogate.
		And I am also a delegate and surrogate and president of the Italian American Civil Rights League.
		We love our Italians out there watching tonight.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		Awesome.
		And producer Frank is here too.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Producer for this guy.
		I'm usually behind the scenes, but you know, sometimes I glide through the cracks.
		Here I am.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Let's go, Frankie.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mary's here.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everyone.
		My name is Mary Morgan, and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast.
		And I guess because I usually am talking about celebrities, it's only fitting for me to mention that I've brought with me the Selena Gomez limited edition Oreos.
		Everyone in the studio has tried them except for Phil.
		Yes.
		I heard you wanted to give a mini review for these cookies.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I give the cookies on their taste, nine out of ten.
		Healthiness, one out of ten.
		Race trading, okay.
		Zero out of ten.
		Selena Gomez, half Italian, half Mexican.
		But you would never know about the Italian part.
		She plays up the Mexican thing.
		So she's a race trader and therefore the cookies are unviable if you're out there.
unidentified		What do you mean?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		She's in her mansion like crying about her people.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		She's, yeah, well, her people are Italian and they would be very upset to know that she's making these cookies and, you know, not doing anything to honor our heroine.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I genuinely didn't know that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Tate's here.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Tate Brown holding it down.
		I'm glad there's a crack slipper here.
		I mean, I'm a producer and I get on this show.
		Somehow, there's a lot of cracks being slipped.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I agree with the race trader cookies.
		That's wrong.
		There should be some sort of cannoli essence in the cookie.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she would be.
		She was honoring heritage.
		She'd make cannoli.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Would you prefer if they were like pepperonis in them?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, they're really good though.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		For the record, the cinnamon flavor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They are nice.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		They are.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
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		We're going to jump right into it.
		From Fox News, New York Appeals Court throws out 500 million penalty against Trump in Letitia James civil case.
		Let's see.
		Appellate, Court has thrown out the $500 million civil fraud penalty against President Donald Trump in the high profile case brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James.
		The New York Appellate Division reversed the penalty, ruling the disgorgement was an excessive fine that violates the Eighth Amendment.
		The five member panel all upheld findings that Trump and his company were liable, affirming that James acted within her authority and that injunctive relief to curb Trump organization practices was appropriate.
		The ruling leaves liability intact but eliminates the massive financial penalty of $364 million plus interest, which rises to about $500 million.
		This is a very complex finding.
		I think it was something like three hundred pages.
		Let me see if I can find it.
		And there were multiple judges that had there were five judges altogether.
		Yeah, okay.
		So in a complex three hundred twenty three page series of opinions on Thursday, the justices wrote that they were deeply divided, with two saying a new trial should be ordered and one writing that the case should be tossed altogether.
		A majority of four justices settled on an alternate path, vacating the massive financial penalty without resolving the merits of the case.
		The penalty, as one wrote, was far from reasonable approximation of the amount that was warranted.
		Friedman, who dissented from the majority, noted that two of the four justices who voted to vacate the penalty do not actually agree with the resolution of the appeal for which they are voting.
		I find it remarkable that although the three justice majority of this five justice panel believe that the judgment in favor of the Attorney General should not stand, the result of the appeal is the affirmance of the judgment, albeit as modified to eliminate the disgorgement award, Friedman wrote.
		To draw sports analogy, it's as if a team awarded a touchdown without crossing the goal line, he continued.
		This is something that I think is actually a result because of the fact that it's in New York, and I think there's a lot of politics involved in the matter.
		Do you guys have a similar opinion or have you had a chance to look into this?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I think that Leticia James now needs to face the consequences.
		I mean, just because you try to do something really illegal and you fail doesn't mean you shouldn't pay the consequences.
		So Judge Ngaran and Leticia James who are now saying they're being politically targeted.
		Okay, they're saying they're being politically targeted because we're actually standing up for ourselves and responding to these things and talking about it.
		They need to go to jail.
		They need to do time.
		They need to be investigated because everyone talks about the rules and the norms and the system of our country, but they're the oneses who took the sledgehammer to it first and tried to break it into a million pieces.
		They failed, Trump still won.
		So I think this, you know, this whole appeals court thing is good, but now we have to get some accountability, or else, Phil, they'll just do it again.
		Like someone else will do it.
unidentified		And I'll just add to that, can we get rid of the 12 foot statue of Letitia James out of New York City?
		We could start with that, because I don't care what anyone says.
		That is a statue of her.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		There's a statue of, for those who don't know, there's a statue of a big fat black woman that they put, you know, they took our beautiful statues, like, you know, the Columbus statues, and they put this random statue of like a fat black woman wearing sweats in Times Square.
		And nobody can explain why wearing sweats is the best part.
		Yeah, it's like nothing heroic, just like wearing sweatpants.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here, here, uh, there's just a lady.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's a Letitia James statue.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is like Group Six on a Delta Airlines.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's not heroic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What are we doing here?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, um, I understand what you're saying.
		I do want to go.
		Donald Trump took to Truth Social to actually talk about this.
		He called it a total Trump took to Truth Social to declare a total victory and rail against James and the original trial judge Arthur Endergon.
		James claimed to win to, noting that the appeals court upheld the findings of fraud and restrictions on Trump's businesses and she pledged to appeal the penalty decision.
		Total victory in the fake New York State Attorney General Letitia James case.
		Trump wrote I greatly respect the fact that the court had the courage to throw out this unlawful and disgraceful decision.
		They kind of didn't that was hurting businesses all over New York.
		That was true.
		Others were afraid to do business there.
		The amount including interest and penalties was over 550 million dollars.
		It was a political witch hunt in a business sense, the likes of which no one has ever seen.
		And that's true too.
		You heard mister Wonderful, the guy from the Shark Tank.
		I forgot what his real name is.
		Yeah, O'Leary.
		You heard him talking on CNBC.
		He was like, look, I don't want to do business here.
		If this can happen, yeah.
		You know, if this can happen, if the Attorney General can just decide that they want to attack a business person over politics, that's going to chill business.
		Now, grant that I think Donald Trump was a special case because of the fact that he was the president and because of the support that he got.
		But at the same time, I mean, I don't think that it's beyond the Democrats' impulses to go after their political rivals using the DOJ of whatever jurisdiction they can.
unidentified		I would say a hundred percent.
		It's just like we've gotten to a point where it's so absurd where you have so New York City, it is the beacon, you know, all of the billion billion dollar companies.
		No one is going to want to risk.
		It doesn't matter.
		It's like once that crackes open, it's like you don't put the genie back in the bottle.
		So it's just like, it is such a bad look for New York.
		It has been horrible.
		I mean, me and you, we're we're we're we're living, you're a little out there, you're in New Jersey, but I'm in New York.
		It's just, it's such a joke.
		Engeron, literally, that whole, that O'Keeffe piece when he found him being a creep at the gym, that was literally two towns over for him.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And a very expensive town at that.
unidentified		It's just like these people are apathetic.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		No, they tried, they tried to destroy the whole system.
		They wanted to bankrupt Trump.
		They wanted to have 500 million dollars rulings so they can get the headline to say he has no money.
		They wanted to send him to jail simultaneously.
		They didn't think he would survive it and he did and here we are.
		So that doesn't mean that they're absolved.
		They have to pay.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It was so much better when corruption in New York was like masculine and cool.
		Yeah.
		It's like you have to be like lip heart gay.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		To participate and it's like so unfair and it's also very vague.
		Like you don't know how to participate in the corruption.
		It used to be very clear, you pay this guy, you know this, that you pay off a few cops, you pay off a lawyer.
		Now it's like you have to like take a lawyer, you have to take a judge and the system crunch and it's ridiculous.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Innocent people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mimosas.
		You don't get bottomless Mimosas with the judge.
		I never thought the day would come where you can grease someone's paw.
unidentified		Oh, it's true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I was in New York with bottomless Mimosas.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's these DEI, these DEI Brian.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		These DI bribery, it's terrible.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, crime used to be cooler, as you said, and like, you know, innocent people used to not get caught in it, you know, it'd be like, okay, it's like these people are fighting or like these gangs or like these organized criminals.
		And it was always like, somewhat, you know, systematic.
		Now it's just like indiscriminate and people are defecating on the sidewalk in between and it's like, it's not cool.
		It's not good.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'd be, I'd be, it'd be nice to have some classic corruption background.
		Yeah.
		Some traditional good old American corruption like this now, like you said, where there's homeless people everywhere.
		It's like, yeah.
		You know, it's just crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, so, I mean, you talk about, talk about people going to jail, but I mean, this is not actually put to bed yet.
		In CBS News, New York Attorney General Letitia James said in a statement Thursday that her office will appeal the decision to the Court of Appeals, the state's highest court.
		Her statement lauded one aspect of the ruling, which left in place sanctions barring mister Trump from serving as an officer or director of any corporation or other legal entity in the state for three years.
		His sons Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. were banned for two years.
		The court upheld the injunctive relief.
		We won, limiting Donald Trump and the Trump Organization officers' ability to do business in New York.
		It should not be lost to history yet.
		Another court has ruled that the president violated the law and that in our, that our case has merit, James said.
		The idea that it just has merit.
		Like the parties involved, when they were actually being questioned on the stand, they all said that they were, you know, they were happy with the transaction.
		They made money.
		Everybody made money.
		They were they were all considered, you know, sophisticated and all understood the terms when they went into this.
		And this was something that Letitia James brought, and this is something that she actually ran on.
		She ran to get her job as the Attorney General.
		She said that she was going to go and find the crimes that Donald Trump committed.
		Now, I know that there are some people out there that think that that's what no reason to go after someone other than political or go after Donald Trump other than political motivation.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You know, her number one quote ever, Letitia James is she said, I'm in this system where everyone is too male, too pale and too stale.
		That's a Letitia James quote.
		So I think now in the wake of this, it needs to be too woman, too dark and too zesty.
		Because like, you know, she's the only one, she's the only one, we've got to go totally the opposite way.
		And Letitia James is in a lot of trouble.
		And I think that she's going to pay, not even for this, but she is now under investigation by the DOJ for mortgage fraud.
		So it's kind of funny.
		But Trump got the loan and Deutsche Bank said, as you said, Phil, Deutsche Bank said, he was fine.
		He paid it back with interest, no problem.
		Letitia James committed hardcore mortgage fraud where she misrepresented where she lived and all these other things to get a loan term that she had no business getting at all.
		She's literally guilty more blatantly than what they were trying to get Trump on and it's similar.
		So I think that they're going to get him, get her and Ed Martin is going to get her.
		And I think Letitia James will end up going to jail over her own mortgage situation.
		So that's my prediction.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And when like, and she was committing it was in Maryland, like that's where you're going to go to bat for.
		That's where you're going to risk going to jail over.
		That's a downgrade from like, what are we doing?
		I'm just going to risk it like, d do like Nashville or something, you know, nice.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Her development was in where in Maryland was it?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You know?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		There's really nice areas in Maryland, so that was her reason.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's not true.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I've just attacked the whole state of Maryland.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's fine.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a small state, right?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Maryland's away from us, so it's gonna be okay.
		But yeah, no, it's just crazy.
		She can't even commit mortgage fraud properly.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		How do you expect her to prosecute?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Not even a good mortgage fraudster.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		How can you even prosecute if you can't even do it properly?
unidentified		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Her investment property wasn't in Hawaii or Palm Beach.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Right.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's in Maryland.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I know, like get real.
		And they're gonna get shift on the same thing.
		Just hopefully.
		So.
unidentified		Up next.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I would love to see, obviously, I would love to see shift.
		Shift and Letitia James see significant, you know, legal problems because of it.
		I don't actually have a sense that there's going to be anything that will come from both of those things.
		Well, I mean, look.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do you think nothing ever happens?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think that called the black pill.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Is that a black nothing ever?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'll say nothing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There are a few people around here that think nothing, that nothing ever happens or nothing ever changes are the two kinds of things that are thrown about.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Nothing ever happens is a short hand for nothing ever changes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's like the internet slang, right?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's what they on X. They said nothing, that nothing ever happens, Crow.
unidentified		I would say as far as the comparison between Leticia and Schiff, it's like with all the issues we do have with Leticia, it's like she did, as we did say, she ran on it.
		She's like, I'm going to go after him.
		That's what you're going to vote me in for.
		On the other side, we have Schiff, who was voted in to, you know, take care of the welfare, you know, and they just, yeah, you know, in the Senate to help out his constituents.
		Instead, he took all of the time to literally lie about Russia and basically.
		If you want to argue, possibly, you know, commit treason, basically, and just have our entire country divided for four years.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He accused Trump of committing treason in the first term, which totally derailed everything that led to the impeachment thing.
		So he literally got on television and said the president is committing treason.
		I've seen the evidence.
		There was no evidence.
		Trump wasn't consulting with the Russians.
		It was laughable.
		Schiff should face consequences for that.
		The punishment for treason is death.
		Schiff accused the president of committing treason, trying to throw the country into chaos.
		So the question is, what should his punishment be?
		Yeah.
		Should it be something similar?
		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, when it comes to what should happen because of those accusations and stuff, I think that's a totally separate issue from, you know, mortgage fraud or whatever.
		And I think that the idea that mortgage fraud would be a good replacement punishment for what he's actually done when it comes to the accusations that he was making.
		I think the only problem is most of the time when he was making those accusations, he was on the floor of Congress, right?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		When he actually said it on television, though.
		He said it on CNN.
		Like there's like the montage of him saying it.
		Like I have seen the evidence.
		I have seen he did say it in Congress when that, you know, they say that protects you if you're in Congress, but he said it on television many times.
		And I don't think we've ever had a politician who has breached that boundary.
		It's like, you know, I don't like Democrats, you know, but I don't accuse them of treason.
		Like, you know, you don't just accuse someone of treason.
		So I think that just crossed a barrier.
		So what happens for crossing that that barrier?
		We don't know because no one has ever done it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there's also like a big because, you know, there's these, you know, let's arrest Obama or Hillary and you see that and you're like, okay, that's clearly red meat for the base, but that's probably not going to happen.
		But with this where it's like, there's obvious, there's obvious smoking gun, like it's obvious they did these things that DOJ's currently investigating, it really feels like, okay, yeah, we're talking.
		We'll get this across the line.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We're walking in circles.
		Like, I feel like so much air is wasted on, well, shows like this talking about what should happen and then nothing happens.
		And that includes the Obama red herring that Trump threw out there, which was right in the middle of the Epstein scandal.
		It was just a total distraction that he threw out to the media.
		And none of these people are going to face consequences for anything.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ever?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The people that we're talking about now, no.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think that, I mean, it's just funny to me that the whole campaign was marketed basically on like retribution and that was Yeah, you're right.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I want to see some more retribution.
		I want to see someone locked up.
		I will say it's a big trauma.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to happen.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I need to see some high profile overdue lock-ups.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Too bad that there is there is I would say we're going gonna have a crowd.
		I mean, there is a difference between, like you said, throwing Obama out in the middle of a hot moment versus the DOJ coming out and listing specific infractions that James and Schiff have made that they can't, that they are currently investigating.
		Like, I mean, I agree, you know, I need to see it, to believe it, but there is like, there is a ramp up here in like what mechanism they'll deploy to actually bring these people in a courthouse.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a great point.
		And I think that the idea that we should just have it should be haphazard is a bad idea.
		And I think that I don't, I don't want to try to predict the future because I don't, I mean, I'm not usually all that good at predicting.
		the future, to be honest with you.
		But when it comes to if they're going to do anything like arrest, make any arrests or whatever, their ducks have to be in a row.
		They have to have everything together.
		And I don't think that it happens just as quickly as, oh, we got into office in January and by May or June, you know, we're ready to go.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's a fair point.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And so I and so I want to see people arrested for the crimes that were fairly obviously committed.
		I think that, like you said, if Schiff was saying stuff when he was on TV, as opposed to on the floor of Congress, then yeah, like that kind of stuff he can actually face a prosecution for.
		But if they don't have all their ducks in a row and they don't have the proper charges and everything, then you're not going to see anything happen from it.
		And that's a, then it would be even worse than not doing anything, I think.
		And to the point of, you know, what's going to be done, the Democrats have shown that they will do all this stuff.
		And this is a point that we actually harp on a lot around here.
		Democrats have shown that they will send the FBI to the president, the former president's house and arrest, you know, and not arrest him, but search him and stuff.
		And that when they brought him in, they actually had him come in to New York of his own will.
		So they didn't actually have to, you know, perp walk him or anything.
		But there were a lot of Democrats that wanted that.
		There were a lot of Democrats that were verbally saying, like openly saying, I want to see Trump perp walk, et cetera.
		So it's not a good idea for Republicans to just let things go.
		They should actually make arrests if they have the material, the substance there.
unidentified		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And they wanted to perp walk Trump, but they wanted to perp walk Trump for the only reason of just let's just go perp walk Trump.
		And these people don't care about the constitution or the framework of the country or what it was built on or what we're preserving or they don't care about any of that stuff.
		They just want to perp walk Trump.
		So at least when we say it, you know, we kind of have we understand the weight of doing that, right?
		Because we value everything this country is built on.
		We don't go after political opponents.
		But if they do it first and they do it under the wrong, you know, pretense, something has to give.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And there's also a difference to like the Democrats prosecuting Trump.
		The entire Intel community is down with that.
		Like they're ready to rock.
		You just have to give them permission.
		They're like a bunch rabid dogs ready to do it.
		With the Republicans, it'd be like pulling teeth.
		Because even though, yes, you know, Gabbard and co are shaking up the Intel community, you know, you're seeing a lot of security clearances were revoked.
		A lot of people claim, I mean, Gabbard laid off like half of the DNI recently.
		Even with that, like still it's very entrenched.
		There's still a lot of deep state bureaucrats.
		It's going to be very hard to get the government moving.
		in the direction of starting to prosecute some of these slime balls.
		It's just the nature of how the deep state is constructed and it will take, you know, probably a year or two to really clean house to give it a good scrub and get our people in there so you can really start activating and utilizing the weapons that we do have.
		Yeah, legal weapons.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, that's I think that's something that we can all around the table here agree on.
		So we're going to jump to this story here and this is actually some good news in my opinion from Bloomberg US to pause issuing worker visas for truck drivers.
		Rubio says the US will pause issuing worker visas for commercial truck drivers.
		The latest in a series of Trump administration moves to clamp down on foreign workers, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said Thursday.
		Effective immediately, we are pausing all issuance of worker visas for commercial truck drivers, he wrote.
		The increasing number of foreign drivers operating large tractor trailer trucks on U. S. roads is endangering American lives and undercutting the livelihoods of American truckers.
		The Secretary of State's post didn't include statistics nor specific examples detailing the nature of the threats.
		However, the move comes after days after a deadly August twelfth crash on the Florida Turnpike by a driver that was accused of making an illegal U turn.
		The Department of Homeland Security said that the driver of the rig was a migrant from India in the country illegally.
		The Trump administration has repeatedly sought to tighten immigration rules for commercial vehicle drivers.
		In May, the Department of Transportation said it would up enforce an English language requirement for drivers following an April executive order from Donald Trump.
		These things seem so obvious, and it blows my mind that there are so many people that just don't jump right on and say, yes, obviously, this is something we do.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		This guy was illegal from India?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		From India.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and we're surprised that these people can't drive.
		They don't have traffic laws.
		Look at any video.
		Look at, you know, Anthony Bourdain visiting India.
		Look at, like, the B roll footage that they have take of the streets in India, they don't have traffic.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		They bring their I hate to say it, but they bring their third world, so shithol country.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Why would you hate to say that?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So why would you hate to say that?
unidentified		That's true.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like, I hate to be the bear of bad news, but it's happening in every major city.
		And unfortunately, it's the reality.
		So when the Somalis come in to Minnesota, they turn Minnesota into little Somalia.
		Okay, they even change the flag.
		When the people come in to Texas and the southern states from every single Central South American country that they're looking to escape, when they get here, they just turn it into that country.
		And then the Indians, they don't have any traffic laws.
		So what do they do to our roads?
		They turn them into Indian roads.
		And that's not a racist thing.
		That's not a profiling thing.
		It's just reality.
		And I the reason I hate to say it is because now we have to live with it and they're all here.
		How do you undo it all?
		You know, Trump's going to have to round them up and report all back.
		Every single one.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like, I mean, they can barely drive the tuk tuks around in India.
		They're smashing it.
		It's like a demolition derby and they're trying to wheel a 18 wheeler around.
		I mean, it's really.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I have noticed that the truck drivers are some of the worst drivers.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're getting one bad.
unidentified		Me and Mike are driving from New Jersey to here and it was like, what is going on?
		And we're driving past everyone.
		We're like, no, definitely not American.
		No, definitely not American.
		Yeah, we're like, what's going on here?
		It's like, yeah, there's a truck, when two tractor trailers are going on a highway at the same speed in two lanes, not allowing any cars to go around you.
		I think there's a problem.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go to loves, go to loves like anywhere along IOT.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		One, it looks like a FEMA camp.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		There's easy.
		There are no, there are no white truck drivers.
		No, just no white truck drivers.
unidentified		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's unbelievable.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're DI and everything.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And in these states like in California, Gavin Newsom said he was going to, something about him with the truck drivers, like laxing the laws.
		So they become a truck driver in California, but they're going all over the state.
		So it's the way that Gavin Newsom or anyone in a liberal state can just fuck it up for the whole whole country because then they just go everywhere and cause accidents.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, This falls right on Gavin Newsom and on California and Gavin Newsom's policies, right?
		This guy got into the country in California.
		He got his CDL from California.
		And so in my opinion, the people that have died because of this, it's directly, like, falls right on Gavin Newsom's shoulders.
unidentified		I'm actually curious, like, how does a CDL work with state by state?
		Does it differ by state?
		Is it harder to be processed?
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And I think that there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a certain amount of standardization when it comes to the test.
		But if I understand correctly people in California, if you're a foreigner, if you don't speak English, they will actually provide someone to help you.
		That was one of the super chats we got.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I got messages.
		coming into the show right now from law enforcement, literally watching the show that I know who are seeing me on Timcast right now.
		And they're saying, I pull over people who don't understand the road science.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's like when they get pulled over, the thing is, you know, you say, Oh, what were you doing?
		You know, you're texting or you're having a couple to drink or the typical American things right now.
		Now they go, I don't even know what the science said.
unidentified		Right.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's not necessarily like, They're not so bad.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They're not like crazy.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like, they don't want to hurt anyone.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		No, the science isn't.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		They come from a culture that doesn't care about order.
		Right.
		They don't like, really register that in their minds and they never will.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's like now, like with Mad Max Curry Road and all our roads.
		I when's the last time you heard a woman driver joke?
		I mean, women are off hook now because there's these people everywhere taking Asian drivers.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the worst thing about it.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And they have become middle of the road, the women drivers.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Asian drivers aren't even at the bridge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're good, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're like, I'll take one.
unidentified		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Now we have the Indians, the Middle Eastern drivers, the Somali pirates.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're doing like burning.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not good.
unidentified		And I'll just say, you know, when you, when you look back, when you zoom out and you just see this whole thing happen, the really what's going to happen is the people, the real truck drivers, the American truck drivers are going to be affected because there's going to be a time with all these, you know, the EVs happening.
		There's going to be that time when, look at these stats, look at how many people die for trucks.
		They have to be automated.
		And now our biggest economy, you know, it's all going to go away.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no more truck drivers.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's coming no matter.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No more Lot Lizards.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What are they going to do?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good thing.
		Yeah, look, I've spent a lot of time touring.
		You can automate those.
		I've spent a lot of time touring.
		The Lot Lizards are not something you want.
		You want that to stop.
		You want that to end.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You want to put an end to that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You want to put an end to that, I promise you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so let's put an end to that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But no, to your point, the driverless truckers, that' is going to be something in the future.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I imagine within twenty years there will be some congressman that submits a bill that says we need to outlaw human beings driving trucks.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Under the pretense of what he's saying, it's these people who shouldn't even be in the country in the first place, who don't know how to drive in the first place, and then they use that as the pretense to get these driverless trucks and destroy an industry that should remain for American white workers.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And the craziest thing is like California, like California, Gavin Newsom will be the first person to blame a red state whenever there's a shooting and be like, oh, their gun laws are the reason that this happened.
		Yeah.
		And then they're issuing CDLs like it's like a library card.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a really good point..
		Excuse me.
		This, the, the, the, the whole like speaking English to your point earlier about, like, not being able to read the signs and stuff like that.
		That's a point that we made on the show, you know, six months ago.
		And it actually happened to be, like, right before Trump said that they were making an executive order.
		It's, like, one of the things that I think would be really, is really important is to do all that we can to make sure that the federal government doesn't produce any paperwork or any kind of form in any other language other than English.
		And if you can't fill out the form yourself, not with an aid provided by the federal government, but if you can't fill out the form yourself, well, that means that you can't gett get whatever job or assistance it is that you're trying to get.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And companies like Uber need to be fined for allowing illegals to drive Americans because I recently, well, I already knew that was a widespread issue.
		And oftentimes, like, they have a citizen make an account and then their whole, like, family of illegals is using it.
		And I had an Uber driver recently who I was directing when I showed up at the location.
		I was like, can you turn left over there?
		And he literally didn't know the words right and left.
		So he was like, do No mommy.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He was hitting on you.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He didn't know right and left.
		So, um, yeah, people are going to die because of this.
		So there was there was time to prevent this.
		There was time to prevent the automation of these jobs.
		I remember several years ago, like many years before this was really a popular conversation, I think Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro were having a discussion about the automation of truck driving jobs.
		And Tucker was basically on the side of like, we need to regulate before these jobs get replaced.
		And then Ben Shapiro basically said, well, that's just capitalism, baby.
		That's creative destruction.
		We just have to.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You supported it?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		What a surprise.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, who's which is a better, which is a better option though, having a bunch of immigrants that can't speak English and can't read the road signs or having trucks that actually can follow the road signs, which is which is better.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's clearly better to have automation as opposed to it's not really that's a false dichotomy.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We can get rid of them.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I thought everyone was talking about how we can just do things and like we're not doing anything.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're not going to get rid of these trucks.
		We are going to have this crunch as the population declines.
		Like there is a shortage of truckers.
		There has been a shortage of truckers for a long time.
		And then, yeah, as time goes on, we're going to have massive shortages in these industries.
		And from the government's perspective, they need – I mean just for tax recuperation purposes, it's like, OK, we have two options really.
		It's automation that can hopefully increase wages for the jobs that are still out there or you flood the country with the third world.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And the third world's – People are net cost on the welfare system though.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I agree, but they're never going to – the government is never going to learn their lesson.
		Regardless of – The entire West has voted year after year.
		Every Western country you go, they vote for less immigration and it never happens.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Regardless of what option or what other option you get, I will take automation over flooding the country with third world immigrants every single time.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Without a question.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I would take that, but in the ideal world we would get something happening and that would be in the next three years.
		We absolutely just round up every single person and everyone always says, Oh, but I want to get the criminals out.
		But a lot of these people, they're not criminals.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have a better idea.
		I have a better idea than rounding up people to penalize the company.
		Yeah, make it illegal to rent to people that are, and if you own a company and you hire illegals, you lose your company.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		They're something that dry up and they would leave immediately.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Democrats say all the time, Oh, you know, what if, why don't we ever go after the companies?
		And they're right.
		Yes, absolutely.
		You're right.
		We should absolutely.
		Yeah.
		I've been doing this on the show for a while.
		Go after the, oh, the person that owns this company that this truck that hired this truck driver.
		He should lose his company.
		All of his trucks should be auctioned off to his competitors.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He should share the consequences.
		He should go to jail.
		For that, for the, for the absolute carnage.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Even worse than jail, he should be sent to India just for like, I mean, buying one day.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'd be like solitary, please.
unidentified		Jeez.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But, but, but, but, no, because the thing is, like, you talk about rounding it up, rounding people up, and, and if you have people having to deal with, if you have, you know, Karen watching Ice rounding up Miguel, she's going to panic out, right?
		She's going to say, oh, you're doing these terrible things.
		So the real, the real compassionate option is make it so incredibly hard for immigrants that are illegal immigrants that are here to stay here.
		Make sure they can't find a job.
		Make sure they can't find a place to live.
		If you make it incredibly hard for them to live here, then they will leave.
		And that's the best option.
		So you don't have to have ICE fighting with people, you don't have to have videos of ICE rounding up people, put up on the internet, and then people go after the ICE agents and stuff.
		That like it's just the smartest and cleanest way to do it.
		What do you think?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		A great idea is penalizing the companies.
		I agree with that, but it's not mutually exclusive with what the Trump voters were propos promised and what was it?
		150 billion dollars given to ICE in the bill?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		For what?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		To move these people, to take them and move them out of the country.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that we should I'm not saying that we shouldn't have people rounded up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is that if you actually want to get rid of, you know, all of the people, that's the 10, 20 million.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		In a way that will last longer than just his current term.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That will, if you pass, you pass legislation that says if you hire illegals or you rent a place to live to an illegal, you risk losing your property.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying it's not, it's not mutually exclusive.
		The time to deport people is way before the midterms, which is why I was so frustrated with people saying it's only been two months, three months, four months, five months.
		It's only been this long.
		Like, you have to start immediately.
unidentified		Everyday.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And for the record, once, I mean, basically as soon as the calendar year ends, the only thing anyone is going to be thinking about is the midterms.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		The terms.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And then everyone gets like, you can't deport anyone, but we're already not deporting anyone.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I actually for the record, you know, you talk about the ICE videos.
		I kind of like those videos, you know, where they're all screaming and they're going, man, it's like, this is another one.
		We voted for that.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Trump cares way too much.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He pays way too much attention to the media.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, what is he so afraid of?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I understand what you're saying, but like, you're you're not thinking about the perspective of people that are in Washington and how things, how the actual process is done, right?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like, I know I would like to, like, well, the compassionate option so that the Karens don't see these videos that make them cry is for us to do this.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, the more compassionate option is having compassion towards the American people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I mean, that's well, it's like, look, the American people are going to be offended.
		The American people don't like to see that.
		That's why I'm saying to not have those videos go up because that will.
		make the Americans that will make people that are a little on the queasy side when they see people get wrapped up, that will make them change their opinion.
		And you don't want them to change their opinion.
		You want to get the people out.
		The most important thing is getting the illegals to leave.
		And the best way to make sure that you can get the illegals to leave is not to have those videos up because then you'll have people say, Ooh, I don't want to see that.
		I'll go vote for the Democrat because that hurt my feelings.
		You don't want that.
		That's the reason why you don't want those videos going up.
		And whether or not, like I know that you don't have that same kind of queasiness and people around here don't have that same kind of queasiness, but there are a lot of people that do and they're swing v voters and they're the ones that are queasy, you need to make sure they don't lose the stomach for this.
		And the best way to do that is not to have videos of ICE agents wrapping people up.
unidentified		To his point, you know, they could have avoided the high school graduations.
unidentified		They could have avoided the high school graduations.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That was not the best look, you know?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's true.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		There's something to be said about flooding the zone though, where it's like you just go crazy, like just really go, like mask off the first few months, like go to the high schools, like just throw like random kids in van and stuff.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Because it's like, then by the time the midterms seriously, no, listen to me.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the cycle changes.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's you're going to get into trouble.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because by the time the midterms come, like Rogan's already throwing his fit and everything, and then it's like, then we're good.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like everyone's at ease.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's like, and everyone always says when they see the video, they always say, well, I really want the deportations, but start with the criminals.
		And they say, okay, start, so you're right.
		Yeah, so you know what?
		Yeah, well, in the first two months, three months, flooding.
		They should have flooded the zone.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Beat the shit out of everyone, deported them out as viciously as possible.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And the attention span of these Karens are so short that they would forget all about that and be mad about whatever the Democrats are doing.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And I think they're doing that to some degree, because it's like there was this video yesterday of some guy in DC getting dragged out of his car.
		And like the Libs freaked out for like a few hours and then of course it came out he was a pedophile obviously that just happens all the time.
		It's like I'm seeing the reaction Yeah, you're not seeing as many Kilmar's now.
		You're not seeing as strong a reaction from the left.
		I think there is an aspect where they're demoralized, like that's one hundred percent true.
		But I think there is also an aspect where the average American, like the people like in like Joe Rogans, the guys that came out early and were really upset about the deportations, they're kind of like whatever, they're used to it now.
		Their stomachs have adjusted.
		Because like the reality is Americans are very vibes based people.
		Like okay, yes, polling wise Americans want mass deportations.
		But also Americans don't want to watch videos like Phil saying of people getting thrown around.
		And so it's like the only way to really do it is rip the band aid, flood the zone.
		I think that's actually what's happened.
		I think we're past the Kilmar's.
		I don't think we're going to get many of those stories any more.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that any of us around the table are arguing about what needs to be done or what should happen.
		It's just a matter of how it's going to be done and the velocity apparently of how fast it's going to happen.
		And to be honest with you, look, I don't know exactly the details about how the fund, how funding works.
		The argument that you heard from the Capitol from Capitol Hill was that the big, beautiful bill needed to be passed because the funding was in it.
		They didn't have the money to pay ICE to do this stuff.
		And if that's the case, then, you know, nothing could be done before that was passed.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		When did the bill, the big, beautiful bill pass?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Three weeks, four weeks ago, a month ago?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in July 4th?
		It was July 4th.
		After July 4th.
		So it's over it's been over a month.
		They got 150 billion dollars now, so it should be.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're seeing, I mean, they're they're opening up massive complexes every week now.
		I mean, we've seen there's there's two in Florida now, Nebraska, they're building a massive one, a massive one in Indiana.
		So the bed space is increasing.
		They're ramping up.
		Like the deportations are finally starting to head north again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Why do they need beds?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like just take them and clean.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You do have to process to, I mean, I like, I hate it.
		I wish you could just build a slingshot and launch them, but you do have to process them.
		You got to figure out who they are, what their names are, like where they're from.
		And that requires bed space to det detain them for a temporary amount of time.
		And then also now you see a proposal.
		Like there was a story, I think it was in NBC News today where Kirsty Noam is exploring just buying planes right because contracting these planes chartering these planes is very expensive.
		It's like if we just had our own fleet, we could be, you know, logged out of reach.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's great.
unidentified		It makes you sell her watch and she could buy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If she buys, if she will buy the planes, you know that she's going to be wearing a captain's outfit when she buys them.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I love that.
unidentified		Whatever she has to do and holding a rifle.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We're going to jump to this story because it's basically the same topic here.
		From the AP, Trump administration is reviewing all 55 million foreigners with US visas for any violations.
		Washington, the Trump administration said Thursday it is reviewing more than fifty five million people who have valid US visas for any violations that could lead to the deportation, part of a growing crackdown on foreigners who are permitted to be in the United States.
		In a written answer to the question from the Associated Press, the State Department said all US visa holders, which can include tourists from many countries, are subject to continuous vetting with an eye towards any indication they could be ineligible for permission to enter or stay in the United States.
		Should such information be found, the visa will be revoked, and if the visa holder is in the United States, he or she would be subject to deportation.
		workers visas for commercial truck drivers.
		Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Thursday on X, he said the change was effective immediately.
		So the fact that there are 55 million visa holders, we know it's that many.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Like, I should be 5,000.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We all found out this afternoon.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It was, did you see the timeline this afternoon when this story dropped and everyone was like 55 million.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Think about this, 55 million foreigners with visas, right?
		And then an additional 20 million that are here illegally in the past four years.
		So 75 million people.
		There's only 335.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		We're almost in a third of the country.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, 335 million people.
		And also, this is what they this is how they fit figure out portioning for Congress.
		This is they will count all of those people.
		I would be willing to bet anything that they're counting visa holders.
		Maybe they don't count people that are here on a tourist visa, right?
		But if you're here on any kind of green card or anything like that, you get counted for the census.
		These people are not Americans and to say that they only dilute voting power a little bit, that's a ridiculous assertion now because there's 75 million of them.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And the Democrats will say it outright that they want these people to count in the census.
		Yeah, that's what it's all about.
		That's why they stack them up.
		Everyone's like, oh, I thought the Democrats, they love the inner city blacks the most, but what do they do?
		Where do they put the illegals when they come into the country?
		They build beds for them in the gymnasiums in like inner city Brooklyn and they say, all right, they're all going to stay there.
		So you'd say, all right, why are the Democrat politicians pissing off their voting base by putting these illegals like in the gymnasiums of the schools where their voters send their kids?
		And it's because they just want to juice up those census numbers.
		They want to juice up those census numbers.
		And when you do that, it also impacts the census and that impacts the congressional districts and how many districts you have.
		And these Democrat politicians would rather have smaller, concentrated liberal districts and more districts of that because for them it's about their votes in Washington.
		It's not about serving constituents or anything like that.
		So that I think the Electoral College, it doesn't the Electoral College also has a weight based on population.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Reps plus.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Reps.
		Yeah.
		So the Electoral College has a weight on that.
		So they want to tilt it and that's why they fight for it.
		That's why they don't care about their own voters when they throw in the illegal immigrants into those inner cities.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's what I mean.
		The whole point is to affect the makeup of Congress and that is to dilute the voting power and political power of the existing Americans, the American people that are born here, the people that are citizens, the people that have the right.
		to be here and that have the right to say We object to this.
		We don't want you to do this.
		And that's a big part of why Donald Trump was elected, because the American people don't want this.
		They understand, even if they didn't understand the technical way that they were doing the actual method that was being used to dilute their power, they understood that it was happening and they have for a long time.
		And I think that's why you have, you had such a turnout for Donald Trump.
		This is, this is an absolute travesty.
		And I think that the Trump administration shouldn't just review people that have any violations.
		Like if they have, if they have even the smallest violation, if they have a traffic ticket, you go because this is a problem.
		A problem for the voting population of the American people.
		It's not just, oh, if they're good, that's okay.
		No, these people are getting counted in the census and they affect Congress.
		So these people need to go.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, not just that, like they just change America.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like we didn't vote on this.
		We want America to be American, we want it to be culturally American.
		And they do this thing, like even Republicans, they'll conceive that it's bad on political grounds.
		They're like, okay, yes, this is okay, they'll outvote you.
		But it's like, I think it's perfectly valid as an American and as an American that has family here going back hundreds of years to be a little worried that there are seventy five million foreigners here.
		It's like, I didn't vote for this, none of us did.
		So it's like I did, and I'm tired of being gaslight.
		Like it's it's a totally irrelevant conversation to have of like the cultural makeup of my country being changed.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It also is that, you know, no matter what you do, it'll never change because Republicans made this happen.
		I mean, and Democrats, but Republicans too, because this system was built over the last 40 years by Republicans and Democrats.
		So, you know, no matter who you elect, it would no matter what they say, I'll vote for me or do this.
		They say it might never change.
unidentified		And so, and, you know, it's the problem for me is, imagine going to another country and like protesting about anything in another country.
		So something like this where they're reviewing all of this, I'm sick of seeing protesters who aren't from this country.
		What are you doing?
		This is insane.
		So this will help that, I think, a little bit.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it's, I mean, because people come here and they impose their will on the United States.
		I mean, there's a huge difference between, like, the initial settlers that came to this country or even the waves of immigrants, you know, leading up to the Ellis Island wave, post Ellis Island, post the World Wars, the stock of immigrants coming are completely different.
		They're coming here without the intention of assimilating.
		They're coming here with the intention of changing the country.
		And in all fairness, the people that are letting them come into the country give them that command.
		They're saying, You enrich us.
		Like, your culture is enriching.
		We want your culture here.
		And you're sitting here like, well, what's wrong with American culture?
		Why?
		Yeah.
		What are we losing by not having a bunch of people from India and Mexico and the Philippines here?
		It's like, no, we're actually a pretty great country.
		And they're doing the same thing the Europeans on steroids.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Where they're just actively telling people in England, like, actually, there's no such thing as an ethnic Englishman.
		Like, anyone can be English.
unidentified		They're like the testing grounds Europe for us.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It's insane.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The stuff that's going on in the UK is pretty objectionable to most people.
		And you see it in the way the English people are actually responding.
		They're starting to put up flat, actually English flags.
		And for a long time in my life, I remember hearing from my friends from Europe and stuff, they were like, Don't you think it's a little silly how many American flags you have put up?
		Don't you think it's a little silly?
		And they thought it was a little too crash.
		And I was like, nah man, I've got a thirteen colonies flag from here to here.
		You know, it's like just because you lost the war.
		Yeah.
		But now, but now I think that there are a lot of people in Europe that are starting to see the value of believing in their nation, believing in their country.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The immigration situation in the UK is similar to ours in that it's more starkly a cultural difference because the immigrants are largely Muslim.
		The cultural differences are far more noticeable.
		You could say that Mexican culture and American culture are less dissimilar than Muslim countries and the UK.
		It is a racial issue more so in the US, and the mandate has been extremely clear from 2016.
		I believe nine out of ten people who voted for Trump in 2016 are white people, and the message was very clear.
		And yeah, maybe they don't understand the intricacies of how businesses influence the issue, but they're tired of interacting with them.
		They're tired of interacting with foreigners on a daily basis.
		They're ornery and rude and inconsiderate.?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought these were like people who were fleeing oppression and seeking asylum, but they come in and act like they own the place.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is all over the city.
		That speaks to the difference in culture though.
		The way what is considered polite here is just not considered polite in different cultures.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And I do believe it's because they're interacting with Americans.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they behave like they do.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		They definitely they're not just looking down upon us.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They're sizing you up.
		And like she's saying, I mean, they brought like, what, fifty white South Africans in?
		And I mean, you would have thought we imported the entirety of the Taliban.
		Like the way that the leftist media reacted, just made it so obvious that it's actually there's a racial component.
		And they made it very obvious.
		They played their hand when that happened.
		Because for the longest time they're denying it.
		They're saying, no, they're just looking for a better life.
		And that came out like, oh, and actually we just hate white people.
		And we would really like to breed you out of existence.
		That's what happened.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And I think symbolism matters.
		And if you go to Europe, I was there last summer, and all the flags are European Union flags.
		So none of the flags have their own identity anymore.
		You know, wherever you go in Europe, they're flying the European Union flag where the flag of their country should be, and I say, why would you fly the flag of this organization that you created?
		So it's kind of weird.
		It's almost like they're taking the identity and just trying to wipe it clean, make it one thing.
		And, you know, that's the Globalist threat.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know, back to the point of what's going on in the UK.
		In the UK, they're actually painting potholes with the English flag, the Red Cross, and on a white flag they're painting the that in the bottom of pools in order to get the magistrate to come and actually fill the pools and fix the roads.
		And apparently it's working fairly well, but you do see a lot of people have actually started to fly the English flag.
		And I think the people are actually getting in trouble for it too.
		There's a pushback from the government itself saying.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You vandalize this precious potop.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it's about the pools, but more when they're actually flying regular flags.
		But they're like, you know, you should take that down because it's culturally insensible.
		And the idea that you wouldn't be able to fly your own country's flag in your own country because it might insult someone else's identity.
		Somebody that is in your country, living off your country's large assets, living off your benefits and stuff is, I mean, that's ridiculous to me, but in the UK that's honestly like that's the norm, that's the way that it is.
unidentified		And you could just not leave your house and just tweet something and then get sentenced to two years in jail.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		The guy, wasn't there a guy and he got sent, what, what country?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Was it in the UK where he said, I don't want my kids getting raped by these, you know, whatever people?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The grooming gangs.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And they gave him, where was that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The grooming gangs in the UK.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Every day.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And he got he got sentenced to twenty months in jail.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it happens all the time.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they put like 3,000 people a year in jail.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's Facebook posts.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
		And what you're saying, it's like, it's actually kind of, there actually is some truth to what the government is saying over there, which is, yes, flying the St. George's flag, the English flag, that actually is hostile towards what is currently the ideology of the United Kingdom's government.
		It does actually stand.
		It's like identifying with your English heritage and culture is a rebellion against the current status.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that's great.
		To this point, put that up, Serge.
		This is great.
		You look, these guys are wearing masks in order to fly the flag of England.
		That is absurd.
unidentified		Because it is.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		If you're the government, this is horrifying, seeing people actually identify and be proud of who they are.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's terrifying if you're a bureaucrat.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Actually, let's go back and start from the beginning and look at all, like you see all these people that are starting to fly flags.
		And this, again, I've been to the UK, I think, like thirteen or fourteen times in my life, and the entire I've never seen anyone flying the English flag.
		I would once in a while, once in a while, I'd see the Union Jack, but I would never see the English flag.
		And there was a time where, you know, this just didn't happen.
		And again, this is not that long ago.
		The last time I was in the UK was 2019, you know, right before COVID happened.
		And you wouldn't see this, but this is actually speaking.
		It's actually something that's very positive for the country.
		You know, they're they're actually standing up for themselves, but it does kind of shock me that you have to wear a mask in order to fly your own country's flag.
		Yeah.
unidentified		It's a failed society.
unidentified		It's crazy.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And it's like, I mean, if they can't succeed there, I mean, the UK does always feel like to some degree they're ten years ahead of the United States in many ways.
		I mean, like Brexit was a really good indicator of how the Trump election was going to go.
		So it's like a lot of people see this in the audience, they kind of roll their eyes and say, well, that's England or, oh, well, that's Canada or that's Australia.
		Like these things.
		It is true, there is a big difference.
		The United States is obviously a very different culture even though we are in the Anglosphere, but it is worth keeping an eye on because those trends do affect us to some degree and we are struggling with the same issue.
		I mean, Marion noted, okay, the immigration to the UK is culturally far different.
		I mean, it's like Pakistani stuff, we're getting mostly like Latin American or historically speaking, but it's still fundamentally the same issue.
		And the issue now, the question people are asking, Charlie Kirk is asking this, he's saying, what is an American?
		That's a question that has to be answered.
		And the same thing in England, they're having to ask, what is it?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And I think people are articulating that simply acquiring a legal citizenship in the US does not make you an American.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Paperwork Americans is what they call them.
unidentified		It does.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, like, look, I think that the United States is different in different from England, from the UK, from Wales.
		I do think that like the United States doesn't have the same kind of history that the UK does or like England does.
		England is like it's 1000 years old, right?
		Like it's it's got deep history and there are English people that are English.
		There aren't the way that Americans are Americans, they're they're American, they're born here, but it's not that there's a racial component to it.
		You can say that there's there's a history that Americans share and that, you know, paperwork Americans aren't that aren't real Americans.
		But you if you are from another country and you come here, you do actually have the opportunity.
		to become American, but it's more about, do you believe the things that Americans believe?
		Right?
		Like if you come here and you're just coming here because you want to get some kind of benefit or whatever, or you're just looking for a job, I don't think that person should be allowed to just come in.
		Yeah.
		However, if you believe in things like the foundational principles that made America, right?
		Like property rights and things like that, then I think it's okay for people to come.
		But they actually have to buy into being an American.
		It used to be people that came to America stopped speaking their language from their old, their old, their old, you know, the old country.
		That's what the Italians stopped doing the traditions that they had in the old country and they wanted their kids to become American.
		And if that's what you're, if that's the way that an immigrant behaves, I'm fine with it.
		Because again, we don't have, we don't have the kind of history where we can see, oh, we have a racial basis in our country.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not true.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The country was ninety percent white until 1965.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we should, absolutely.
		New York City, New York City up until, what was it, the post-World War II?
		It was like ninety five percent.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But you'll see, and now it's still, you'll still get arguments, you still get arguments about what a white person is because Irish and Italians were not considered white.ite.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The idea about wasps, like the what seriously, like you can give me the eyes, but it's true.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And that's that's we know what's not white.
		We know what's not American.
		Like we can start there and then, and then kind of close in on like the final.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Also, just because it's a construct that was normalized because there were so many different European ethnicities in one place, doesn't mean that the construct is meaningless.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		From the argument it is meaningful.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But the argument about Europeans, that would mean that Mexicans are just as white as any Americans.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But we know what a Mexican is.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But we know what a Mexican is too.
unidentified		It's the mixed Spanish blood.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The Spanish are just as white.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The European Spanish are just as white as Italians or Southern French.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, correct.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Mexicans are not ethnically the same makeup as Spaniards.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're very similar.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What, how many are like forty percent indigenous?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that that with Mexicans?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Basically, half and half.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But even still, so I mean, even still, there's a lot of, there's not a simple way to say what a white person is.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		There are cartels in the US rolling heads and cutting people's tongues out like Aztecs.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Are those people surprised by that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, those people should get their, get bombs dropped on their head.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But you know, like if you're actually going to be like if you're killing people., the government should wrap you up and throw you in jail.
unidentified		Obviously, that's not a coincidence.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And also, like, we have to be realistic with immigration policy in the 21st century because, like, I had Nathan Hauber set up in the morning show two or three days ago, and he made a really great point, which is the way an immigrant matriculates into American society now in 2025 is very different from, like, 1935.
		Because in 1935, you get on a boat, there's a good chance that's the last time you ever see where you came from.
		Versus now, when you come here, you have your phone, you have internet, you're watching TV in your native language from your country, you're talking to your family all the time.
		Like, the digital age makes it very difficult for an immigrant toants are on the phone all the damn time?
		They always have FaceTimes on.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We're on FaceTime, man.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		We're on speaker phone on the speaker.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And that's part of the reason they can never properly assimilate.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So it's like I would say they don't want to assimilate and they don't assimilate.
		And I think it was even in the 70s and 80s, New York City was 60, 70 percent.
		I just don't understand how it's dropped so dramatically.
		Oh yeah.
		Seventy, eighty, ninety percent white through the 70s, 80s to now it's in the 20s.
		It's funny.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		If you look at the demographics.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, to divorce American identity from a racial identity.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		If you look at the demographics of the Bronx over the last hundred years, you thought we lost a war and got a big.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think it's crazy.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I thought we won the war.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What's going on?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		We're going to win.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're going to win the Dominican Republic?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		How?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I can't even imagine.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		We've been.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Kicked out the Italians.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		No, it's 100% true.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like it is, like there is a to downplay the European contribution to the United States or really the European foundation of the United States is just a match of disservice to everyone.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I mentioned earlier that ninety percent of Trump's voters in 2016 were white voters.
		The message was very clear.
		We're white people.
		We have this candidate who is promising us he will remove these foreigners who don't look like us from the country and build a wall so he can make sure that they don't come back.
		And that's what they voted for.
		And they didn't get that in 2016.
		They didn't get what they were promised, it sounds like, up until now because they're not getting deported.
		Well, I mean, mass deportations are not going to happen.
		They're not happening and they're not going to happen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know that they're not going to happen.
		I certainly don't think that they're going to be deported just based on race.
		Like they're not going to ramp.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Of course they're not.
		That's not what I'm saying.
		I'm just saying that what white voters were voting for in 2016, being nine out of ten of Trump's base, they were voting for people who are culturally and ethnically similar to them to get removed and also for them to stay away.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the black box.
		I mean, look what I'm making is that that's not going to happen.
		That's not going to happen.
		And I don't think that Donald Trump was ever actually offering that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But look what activated his campaign in 2024.
		I mean, going to 2020, like the energy in the Trump campaign was starting to struggle a little bit going fall into the electoral summer into the election round the debates.
		And then Springfield, Ohio happens, like right?
		There's like an on Twitter says there's literally there's a video of the audience cat.
		And that like overnight Trump skyrocketed in the polls back to where he was.
		So it's like He was great.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So it's like there is this feeling among Americans that it's like our country's starting to look very foreign and very unfamiliar, and that causes a lot of anxiety.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Mary's point is, is that is directly associated with the whiteness and the Europeanness of the country.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So that's a very, and that's a very fair point.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's not, and like what she's saying, what we're saying is not ridiculous at all.
		Because it's like, I would expect someone in Haiti to feel this way, right?
		I would expect someone in China to feel this way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People in Haiti don't have time to feel this way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, they're running away from other people that are in Haiti.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		But like in China or Japan or Saudi Arabia, like they have the right to like be like, yeah, I'd like my country to stay.
		To stay.
		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Every other country talks like that.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, except, except western ones.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Except for western, yeah, except for western countries.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And Haiti.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that I would consider Haiti a western country.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, barbecue.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's, you know, when you think, when you think Socratic method, you think barbecue.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Haiti guy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Haiti's Haiti's about as much of a basket or about as emblematic of a basket case country as you can come from.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Calling Maryland.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Which is right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They can't even, yeah, they can't even build a bridge, man.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		There's like boats blowing up all the time.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And the dogs and cats was the best part of the Trump campaign.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And I remember, like, I remember how low energy it was starting to feel.
		And I'm the biggest MAGA guy.
		Like, I'm pretty much a shell for the admin.
		And I remember going in like., like it was, it was like, oh no, like this Kamala hot swap is going to work.
		And then that happens and everyone like remembered they're like, this is what Mag is about, is making America take it and make it great again.
		And we don't want to see like Haitians eating.
		If you're from the Midwest and you're from a small town, you've seen this happen.
		Like my family comes, I'm not going to say which town, but a town in Illinois, and it was swapped.
		You go there now and there's no one left and they were hot swapped for these.
		Okay.
		Like, you know where they're coming from.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And the cats are gone too.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And the cats are gone.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And it wasn't, never mind.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And the guy barbecued.
unidentified		No.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to jump to this story from ABC.
		Trump joins police and military in DC as he pushes deployment in more cities.
		President Donald Trump joined police and military in Washington, DC on Thursday to oversee the surge in federal law enforcement and National Guard who are responding to what he says is a crime emergency in the district.
		Trump left the White House in the presidential limousine, nicknamed the Beast, with US Attorney General Pam Bondi, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Millier Thursday afternoon and were driven to the US Park Police Anacostia Operations facility in Southeast DC.
		They need a copy editor there.
		There he spoke with law enforcement members and military personnel and touted the deployment.
		It's great to be with you.
		You guys are doing a fantastic job and gal's doing an amazing job.
		He told the crowd who he said were a healthy, attractive man looking group of people.
		It was not immediately clear if Trump would actually walk the streets with the police and military personnel.
		The president mobilized the National Guard one week ago to assist the police, claiming crime was out of control.
		Officials have said that guard personnel are not making arrests, only helping to detain people briefly if necessary before handing them off to law enforcement.
		Violent crime levels have decreased compared to years prior down twenty six percent since twenty twenty four, a thirty year low according to crime statistics released by the city's Metropolitan Police Department.
		Every single person that I hear talking about this that actually dives a little deeper into these kind of numbers is like this is all BS.
		The idea that crime is down is BS.
		It was just last month, I think, someone was fired or put on leave for faking numbers coming out of DC.
		People don't report crime the way they used to because crimes are not being, like, no one's getting arrested.
		And if people do get arrested, they get released again because you've got bad DAs and bad people, bad judges.
		So the idea that they're actually at a thirty year low, people don't buy it.
		Even if it is lower, people don't believe that it's at a thirty year low.
		They don't feel that normally.
		And you see that in the response that people are having to Trump's use of the National Guard.
		This is extremely popular with the American people, particularly with the people in DC.
		You see people putting up TikToks and videos and stuff all the time saying they feel like they can go to the gas station and they're not going to get their stuff stolen.
		They feel like they can drive around with their window open and no one is going to try to jack their car.
		So do you guys think that this is just a stunt Donald Trump walking out there?
		Do you think this is something good where he's actually being on the ground with people that are actually enforcing the law?
		What do you, what's your view on it?
unidentified		Well, I think we must deputy this man.
unidentified		Donald Trump must be deputy.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let him shoot.
		Let him shoot one person.
		Deputy, yeah.
		They shot him.
		Can he shoot one person?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It would send him a message.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He deserves so many people.
		There's life.
		You know, if you're if you're in jail in and out more than like 15 times, you really aren't any value to society or drag on the system.
		Let him shoot one.
		Just one criminal.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Just one.
		It's not even that big of a deal.
		They won't even notice we're gone.
		You know, they won't even notice he's gone.
		Also, even if the people in DC weren't okay with this, like, who cares?
		Because we're sick and tired of our cities being like total dumps and the people living there are the reason they're a total dumps.
		So it's like, even if they were like, everyone was in total disarray and they're super angry.
		It's like, hey, it's our capital.
		We're going to do what we want with it, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		So, and just seeing one of those TikToks, you know, I watched one of the, a black woman with her windowow open, she's just like, finally, I can just, you know, I'm at a red light, I know I'm not gonna get robbed, this is incredible.
		It's like, so what, life.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's that black woman versus Jasmine Crockett who said, this is the most racist thing I've ever seen.
		So it's racist that you're curbing the ability for black people to kill each other and then of any other race of people and just shoot each other in the street.
		So that's the racist part.
		So it's Jasmine Crockett versus base black woman in the car on TV.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I'm almost considering walking around DC at night.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You should.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I might do it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's funny.
		I see that they, that like the left, you know, the left's hypocritical, I know, it's shocking.
		But they made like the most openly racist statement out of anyone in the last week where they like, we're like, hey, the crime in Baltimore and DC and Memphis is pretty bad.
		And they're like, that's so racist to point that out.
		And it's like, these are the blackest cities in America.
		Like, that's you made that point, not me.
		Someone, I'll make that point.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Some white guy who lives in DC made another one of these TikToks about it.
		And he was running, he was on a run at night around DC and talking about his observations.
		I have no idea if any of it is true because he didn't provide evidence, but he said that when he saw some of the militarized police on a street, corner, one of'cause he saw I saw this, This black mother walking with her son and she said to her son, hold my hand, sweetie.
		You don't want them to get any bad ideas.
		You don't want any trouble with these guys.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		The black mother said that to her son.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		To her son, who he said was like, you know, twelve years old or something.
		Like they're just about to start like randomly arresting black people for walking on the street.
		Like literally like walking while black.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's the modern, that's the modern Rosa Parks of our time.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		If you know you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We'll wait till the Trump drive by starts.
unidentified		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		If you know about the Rosa Parks, that's about that.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I mean, husband had a car.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He had What do I mean?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		The parks might have had a car.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		Very wealthy husband.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know, that to Mary's point.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		To Mary's point, that notion is what fueled an entire summer of riots in the country.
		Like when George Floyd was killed, the argument that people were making was, oh, black people are getting, you know, gunned down in the streets by police.
		And even people like LeBron James was saying, they're out here hunting us.
		This was a total, this was a total fabrication.
		Oh my God.
		It's true he said it and it's a total fabrication.
		And that's why, that's what the justificationation was for an entire summer of looting, burning cities, destroying property.
		And, and people realized too late, of course, that it was BS.
		And that's why there's been such a backlash or that that's why so many people have stopped caring about things like Black Lives Matter.
		Everyone saw what kind of scam that was.
		The money that the people that were running it stole.
		They, they had all you had to do is say that you were giving your money to Black Lives Matter or you had some Black Lives Matter affiliated organization and you could run ads and people were just scamming the crap out of everyone.
		Oh yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The money that was going to BLM was going to like non-binary homeless shelters or something.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like, it was so insane.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was all garbage and it ended up going in just, just going in people's pockets.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like the people that were the, you know, the leaders.
unidentified		She had colors on, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They had, you know, they had mansions and multiple homes and stuff in LA and stuff.
		And it's like, that kind of idea is still around.
		And it's something that honestly, it needs to be, it needs to be remedied.
		And you can't just stamp it out of people.
		You know what I mean?
		You can't just be like, you can't beat people up over the head and be like, you're wrong.
		This isn't the way.
		They just dig their heels in.
		But that attitude is something that comes with all the DEI stuff, with all the critical race theory stuff, the stuff that Donald Trump is taking out of the Smithsonian, all the stuff that they're taking out of the museums.
		We talked about this the other day, the whiteness stuff, the idea that white people are evil and after black people and stuff.
		It's a ridiculous idea, but it's what fuels the fueled Ferguson back in 2013.
		It fueled the George Floyd riots.
		And it's a literal cancer in this country.
		These ideas are a literal cancer that will destroy this country.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		The biggest enslavers of black people are black people.
		So I mean, that's like so they are.
		on themselves.
		I actually like what Trump's doing with the museums.
		I think that's good.
		Absolutely.
		I think that sends a message and what he's doing in DC.
		I like what he's doing in DC because it's the only city where you could like instantly do it.
		I mean, New York City's going to hell, but like in these other cities, they try to fight, they try to have elections.
		Republicans maybe win one out of ten times in these blue cities, but in DC you can kind of just do it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So he's all right, it's a city, we can do it.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So let's just do it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's good.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I remember, I think it was during 2020, during the riots, when they would have these, these, and these big Instagram posts where they would be like it was mostly black celebrities and they would be like I just had to have the talk with my son.
		And it was like this thing where they would basically just make them paranoid of police like at a very early age.
		So it's like like you're saying, it's like okay, we can blame we can blame what's happening in schools and that's obviously a big problem that needs to be stopped.
		But it's like also within the black community, they are like traumatizing themselves by like what there's like six unarmed black men get shot a year.
		And that's what they're on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		twelve or thirteen average.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		twelve or thirteen.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my bad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		In a country of 334 million, twelve or thirteen black people that are unarmed get are shot.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And then you have LeBron James with a book that he never read, will not read.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He's perpetually on the ground.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of relatable though.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm a pretty performative reader as well.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's relatable.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		My Polaro, My Matcha and my book that I don't add.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And that he going to the Diddy parties was not relatable.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, definitely not at all.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Not relatable.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I can't get over about 2020 though is just why, why didn't Trump crack down on it then?
unidentified		I agree.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He should have agreed.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I still hold it against him.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that Trump was aware because I don't think what?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Don't you think Trump was aware that people were just rioting in every major city?
unidentified		Oh, okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sorry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I thought I thought you were talking about something else.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's why I was wondering why he wouldn't crack down with militarized police or the National Guard then?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, because he didn't know it was a rare trump bell.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It was a trump bell.
		There's just no excuse for it.
		You maybe thought this was going to make the left look so bad that I'll let it go.
unidentified		I was told that that's what I've heard that he was told by many people like this is just making you look really good, let it go.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I think that was part of it.
unidentified		Not that that's a good answer.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guess they were going to steal it regardless, but still.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why he's cracking down now.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		He's learned his lesson.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Such bad, bad advice.
		And to be honest with you, like, I don't know who was in his ear, you know, his first presidency.
		But it wasn't a situation like Trump was totally unprepared for winning in 2016.
		And he brought in terrible people.
		And thankfully, the four years that he had, you know, when he was not president, he had learned a lot.
		And he listened to people.
		And he talked to people that, you know, were not insiders that actually had a wise view of how things work in Washington, not an inside view that was looking to benefit themselves.
		And he listened to them.
		And you see it.
		You saw it when he was running.
		You saw it the way that he ran up to 2024 to get elected.
		And you see it now in the way that he's actually executing because the whole as much as you think that he's doing enough to get people out of the country, he's doing way more than he was doing in 2016.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Also they said, I think back then they were saying, oh, you know, you don't have the jurisdiction to do this or you can't send in the National Guard.
		And I think like if Los Angeles is an example of, you know, Trump in 2016 versus 2024, 2020 rather in 2024, I think he just sent in the National Guard to LA unilaterally.
		Like he didn't go through the process.
		Last time he was, I guess, being told that he couldn't do it.
		I totally thought he should have done what he did in LA and quelled it immediately because nobody deserves to live in a city that's getting burned down.
		Yeah.
		But he did.
		And but I guess in LA he learned his lesson.
		Would you say that he did it better in LA because he just didn't listen?
		He just said, all right, I'm just saying, man, don't care.
		Send me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Look, the amount of actual contact that the National Guard had to have with the population in LA was almost none.
		You didn't see National Guards men actually fighting with the crowds.
		It was the police and the National Guard were just there making sure that the police could do their jobs.
		I don't remember seeing any video of dudes in multicam fighting with dudes hardly ever.
		There were a handful of times where they were they were they had gas masks and they had They had gas masks and they had shields, but it wasn't like they were holding people down.
		They were just preventing the rioters from attacking the police.
		They weren't wrapping people up at all.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That would have been great.
		That would have been really popular with the base if he did that.
		I mean, people, the anger during the LA riots, the recent ones were, like, so palpable.
		Like, you would speak to just your average, you know, your average Trump voter and they were furious.
		They were like, no, please, we're so tired of this happening.
		And then, like, just, please crack down on this.
		And we wanted to see, like, Stephen Miller deployed, like Darth Vader, like emerging from the mob of National Guard.
		Like, that's what we want.
		That's what the base wants.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's what the base wants.
		I understand that, but that's not, that's not good optics.
		And I know that's not a popular thing to to say around this table tonight, but the fact of the matter is the fact of the matter is that those things do matter because if you lose public support, you don't have the ability to do anything.
		You listen, Donald Trump, as long as he has public support, he can do whatever he wants.
		And I think that Barack Obama was an example of that.
		He had public support and he got away with all kinds of stuff that he got away with not even being born here, but literally.
		But that's to my point.
		If you have popular support, the president can get away with all kinds of things, but you have to do it in a smart way that keeps the popular support.
		If you just do things that's un unpopular with the American people, the American people will turn against you and then you can't do anything.
		That's just the truth.
		I know that there are people that want, you know, wanted to be Darth Vader and come out and do all this stuff and blah, blah, blah.
		And I get it because that's what I would like to see, but that's not, that doesn't function in reality.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You mean in the way that that affects his current term or the way that that affects electability for the next Republican?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The way that it affects the people that, the people on the street.
		You're, like, if he did something that was really beyond the pale, there would be enough people on the street to make it look like he's done something that the whole country doesn't like.
		And I mean, he would lose support.
		He's got like 52% approval rating now.
		If he got down to 35 percent, like he wouldn't be able to do anything.
		Anything that he does, he would get protests and people out on the street, and that would also motivate and inspire the left.
		I mean, that's a problem.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You do have the C's to a certain degree because the left is completely demoralized right now.
		They have no leadership, they don't know what's going on, and then also the USAID money's dry up.
		So like half of their mechanisms they can't even use right now.
		And so it's like, and I do think Trump is doing a great job with this, but it is like, yes, now is the time to execute, now is the time to put your foot on the gas because, like you said, this window, I mean, knock on wood, what if we lose the midterms?
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Now we're dead in the water.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And again, this is not me disagreeing withreeing with any of the points that you guys have made or having some kind of strong disagreement about what should be done.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm just trying to talk about the reality of the situation and how things have to be, how things have to work in the United States.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't like talking about reality.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I know you don't, Mary.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You're ruining the fun.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The reality is actually that Democrats are going to almost certainly win a majority in the House in the midterms.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why he should deal with the redistricting.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's why he should attempt impeachment, no matter what he does.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's why the redistricting battle matters, because if yes, if we can pry, pick off six to eight seats.
		I think that keeps your House majority because like I mean, you're correct.
		Like as it stands right now, there is a better than nothing chance that like, yeah, the Democrats take back the House.
		So that's why we need to get this across.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, better than nothing.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, in my mind, it's like over fifty percent.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little I'm a little worried about it because it to your point, if you look at what's going on right now in the Senate, like there are Senates in recess.
		Everybody's in recess for the summer and they're calling these like, I don't know what they call them, but there's a name for it, pro forma sessions or whatever.
		So Trump can't make recess appointments.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm talking about?
		So he has 160 plus people who have been appointed into very important spacots that cannot get into the spots because they're waiting for their Senate confirmation.
		So Thune, who is the Senate leader, is calling these pro forma sessions.
		So Trump cannot make the recess appointment.
		So if the, if the, if the Congress, that is the Senate and House, is out for a certain amount of time, the president can appoint them for like 180 days or something.
		So that would be great.
		But they're putting the House in session, the Senate, for a day or for an hour or whatever.
		So Trump can't do it.
		Why isn't Trump freaking out about that?
		And are those the people who are going to be backing Trump when the Democrats take the House and they try to impeach him?
		Who's backing him up?
		How are we going to get anything done in the last two years or basically running until the end of this year because when the election season starts, all these swing district Republicans are going to be massive pussies because they care about, you know, winning the R plus one or the D plus two that they hold.
		So we're not going to get things through.
		They're going to start talking mushy.
		It's going to become disjointed.
		So I think you make great point.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, the house, I mean, house members are already freaking out over the Texas redistricting.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like Kevin Kiley, he's a congressman out of California, Republican.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's only, he's saying that for his own purposes.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's like losing his mind because like the national GOP is trying to make a move and he's just trying to save his own seat.
		I'm like, we're just not locked in at all as a party.
		I mean, it's like great that the Trump admins, you know, firing all cylinders to elect.
		to a large extent, but like the House GOP is still plagued by the same problems that have plagued us for a very long time, which is people look out for themselves and not the country.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the problem.
		I mean, look, that's the problem with representative government.
		Like they're going to look out for themselves.
		They're going to look out for their constituencies.
		The problem, another, and another part of the problem with representative government is they, there's no reason for us to have federalized all this crap that we do.
		All this stuff that's, you know, that's nationwide and stuff.
		We are in a different world now than we were 250 years ago, but like the idea of having the same laws in Massachusetts and Florida and California was just ridiculous if you go by what the founder said.
		So I don't know that there is a solution, but in we were we were talking about Donald Trump and we're going to jump to this story real quick from post post millennial.
		DC goes a whole week without a homicide after Trump crime crackdown.
		Now, I don't know when the last time they went a whole week without a homicide, but I think that's good.
unidentified		Bar is low.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yes, March.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		For the first time in months, Washington DC has gone seven consecutive days without a homicide following President Donald Trump's federal takeover of the city's police force and deployment of the National Guard.
		The rare streak confirmed Wednesday comes during the summer season when homicide levels are typically at their highest.
		The last time the Capitol reported zero killings for a full week was in March.
		Other crimes have also dropped sharply according to the figures cited by the local police union.
		Robbery declined by forty six percent in the week after the federal control began, car jackings fell eighty three percent, and overall violent crime was down twenty two percent.
		The crime freeze began the day after a fatal shooting in Logan Circle, which occurred just hours after Trump announced the move.
		At the time, Representative Eric Swalwell said on social media that Trump owns this.
		Critics have since noted that the statement could apply to the decline as well.
		Of course it could.
		Law enforcement saturation in high crime areas has drawn comparisons to tactics used in New York City in the nineteen nineties under then Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when murders fell by more than half in his first term.
		Observers pointed out the deployment of the National Guard outside DC's Union Station, long hotspot for homelessness and drug activity as an example of the new approach.
		I think that this is something that is just overall positive.
		I don't think there's I don't think there's a downside, you know, I I don't think that there's there's anyone that can say, oh, here's the bad thing.
		The I want the Democrats to keep complaining about it because it just reinforces the fact that they're totally unserious and actually have no policies to talk about other than Trump bad.
		And but that's the same thing that they've been talking about for ages.
		There's only so many times that the American people can hear he's a threat to our democracy and actually think that it means something.
		They've definitely lost the swing voters.
		Trump's approval rating last I saw again was like 52 or something like that, which is sky high for Donald Trump and conservatives, especially in such a polarized time.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, this is just an example of you can just do things, right?
		I mean, it's very obvious they've taken a page out of El Salvador here.
		I mean, El Salvador was just like a total disaster zone and Bukele is just like, oh, we can just like end this.
		Like this is crime is optional and twenty.
		The left loves crime because they love filth and they hate their fathers and they hate America.
		They hate themselves, they hate beauty.
		And what is more beautiful than like Union Station, right?
		Union Station is a very beautiful place, very dignified to take a train to Union Station until you see homeless people pooping on everywhere.
		I mean, it looks like India.
		It's a total disaster, so it's like, no, this is beautiful.
		This is beautiful.
		Have a clean, nice train station.
		The left hates this.
		The left hates all this.
		So yeah, you can just do things.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Violent criminals only understand the language of violence and people, especially on the left, but more generally, have misgivings about criminality and what makes criminals criminals.
		They need to understand that violent criminals are ontologically criminals.
		And they will be criminals for the rest of their lives.
		That's who they are.
		That's what they are.
		They cannot be rehabilitated.
		They cannot be social worked into being functional human beings in society.
		That's just what they are.
		They are ontologically criminal and they will never change.
		So they have to be dealt with with fear and with violence because it's the only thing they understand.
		It's the only thing they respond to.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We had Z. Garkum here a couple days ago and he's a former law enforcement.
		I think he's actually retiring.
		And one of the things that I said to him was like, look, you know, tell me if I'm wrong, you know the actual bad actors in your area.
		If you're a police officer and you're patrolling the same area, they know exactly who the bad guys are.
unidentified		I arrested them twenty times.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The reoffense rate for violent criminals is two out of three.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So the way to deal with violent crime is arrest those people and put them in jail.
		If you do that, you can actually get crime even in poor places because poverty does not drive crime, but crime does drive poverty.
		This is a point that Sean, the what's his?, what's his name?
		Actual Justice Warrior on YouTube.
		Shout out to Sean.
unidentified		What?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Fitzgerald, Sean Destroyer.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Fitzgerald, that's it.
		He makes this point all the time.
		If you have an area that is high crime that will drive businesses out, that will drive investment out, that will drive all the good things about a society out of the area.
		But if you have, if you go in and take care of the crime, there is money to be made in providing low cost housing to people that don't have a lot of money.
		There is money to be made in putting in bodegas or shops for people that don't have a lot of money to go somewhere and buy the things that they need.
		But if you have a high crime area, no one wants to invest because they're going to lose their their money.
		They're going to lose their investment.
		Poverty doesn't drive crime, but crime does drive poverty.
		There are poor places all over the world that have lower crime rates than places like DC.
		And they're poor, but they're not criminal because they're not inherently criminal people, and it doesn't take very much to actually wrap up the criminals and throw them in jail.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		When you're dealing with a place like DC, someone's rights are going to be violated.
		It's either the criminals or it's the innocent people just trying to go for a walk and not get knocked over the head.
		So it's like if someone's rights are going to be violated, it should be the criminals.
		Like, sorry, I mean, it's unreal that we have to deal with this in the United States.
		In every city.
		In every city where places like Baltimore and Saint Louis and Memphis have crime rates equivalent, if not worse.
		I was actually looking at the stats.
		Our violent crime rate in Baltimore is worse than Johannesburg, South Africa.
		Like, how is that?
		How is this tolerable?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's absolutely about, I mean, in the people in New York City.
		I mean, New York City, nobody takes the subway, for example, especially after a certain time because they're worried about rising instances of people getting pushed on the tracks.
		So then they say, okay, I can't do the subway.
		They take the bus.
		Do they drive and pay this congestion fee thing.
		So they're stuck without a choice.
		And I say, you're accepting the fact that the criminals are running the system.
		Like you can't take the subway because you're worried about crime.
		You can't walk these blocks because you're worried about crime.
		And they just keep voting for it.
		And the criminals are the ones running the system.
		And now people say, do I either pay the money?
		Because New York City passed a congestion tax.
		So if you come into the city, you now pay nine dollars a day.
		So these people pay either nine dollars a day or they could take the public transit.
		And to take the public transit, they have to run the risk of being violently assaulted or anything like that, particularly at night.
		And it's only going to get worse.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Who is that maniac that Daniel Penny?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Neely, his name is Jordan Neely.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Jordan Neely.
unidentified		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That's it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Neely deserved it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Specifically, um, showed me how hilarious it is that people like attribute this deep, textured, interior life to the criminal.
unidentified		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't have to.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He was a Michael Jackson imitator.
unidentified		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like the criminal only acts.
		He doesn't think.
		He doesn't premeditate.
		He just does.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And the criminal would absolutely obliterate any of the white liberals defending him on television or the black liberals defending him.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, mental health problems.
		And I don't know.
		What is he thinking when he, when he threatens to murder everyone on the train?
		Like, I don't know.
		Like, I didn't have a good relationship with my father.
		Like, what is what do they ascribe to this man's inner life that they think this can be explained away with like childhood trauma or something?
unidentified		Like, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Like, what do they think he was missing in life?
		Like, how he ended up like this?
		Like, what he didn't, he got rejected for a job or something.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		He's heartbroken.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's a sensitive young man that could be Yeah.
unidentified		I heard this guy in New York City that was on the subway and another guy was like heckling this woman and the guy went in, stepped in to stop it and the guy who was heckling the woman slashed this guy with like a box cutter on his face, slashed his face.
		face slash his face up fast forward like a month or two later they go to court and when he goes to court the woman whom he helped was actually siding with the criminal who slashes I mean that's New York for you guys.
		Yeah, that's New York.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it makes it you have no incentive and they want it like that, no incentive.
		You go, listen, these people are all fucked up, they're liberal.
		If somebody's getting harassed, you just go, I'm just going to mind my own business.
		It's not me and I'll just let it happen.
		And that's like you're taking away the culture, the New York culture, the humanism, the humanic nature of it.
		You have no type of community or semblance of, you know, we're all in this together and that is destroying what it means to be an American, right?
		You're not American at that point.
		You're just like a vessel in this Gotham City type of deal, trying to survive, trying not to get hit by an Indian truck driver, trying not to get slashed in the subway.
		Every man for himself.
		And there's no sense of community.
		Nobody speaks the same language.
		Nobody looks the same, nobody acts the same.
unidentified		And these ungrateful bitches are going to testify against you.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I was hoping you were going to say, fast forward two months later, they go on a date, hit it off.
unidentified		That makes sense.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I hope they're going to be like, yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So what mode of transport is safe in America?
		You can't take the train because of the, like, schizophrenic crackheads.
		You can't drive because you'll get smacked into an Indian tru, you know, semi truck.
		You can't fly because you'll get hit by like a blackhawk.
unidentified		You can't Uber because you can't afford it.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You can't Uber because you can't ride the bus because not good smell.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You'll get thrown out of your seat too.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that too.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		So it's like and the smell Yeah, it's very bad.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		People just sleep on the bus.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can't bike because bikes that's just gay.
		You can't do that.
		So it's like what what what are we supposed to do as Americans?
		Our rights are being violated and every time Oh, things are going wrong.
unidentified		There's a lot of bicycles.
		There's a lot of scooters coming back.
		It's true.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		People are willing to endure the heckling.
unidentified		I mean, I'm, you know, the sidewalk's one thing, but I'm like, you know, this is your, this is your Oh, I saw someone rocking Helias the other day.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that if that doesn't tell you how bad crime is getting, I don't know what will.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what will.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		We're almost at the end times.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We're swirling the drain.
		Yeah.
		The Healy's, really?
		That's a recession indicator if I've ever seen one.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Your car is always the best option, just, you know.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		My car specifically?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, not your car.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Your own personal vehicle is always the best option.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to park it anywhere.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pardon me?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to park it anywhere in the city though.
unidentified		The car, you don't want to go to the cinder blocks.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Get put on cinder blocks.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
		We can't resign ourselves to the idea, like, just don't go to cities, don't live in cities, don't engage with cities.
		We can't.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Why do we say not?
		And by the way, the nicest areas in this country, like the nicest areas, the best objective real estate.
		I'm not talking about what they do they do to it, but the best real estate, there's none of our, like, nobody speaks English in those places, you know?
		It's not any of our people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's not the people who speak English in Calabasas.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking about on the east coast in New York.
		Because I live on the waterfront between New York and New Jersey.
		And well, in New York City, in the best areas of New York City, nobody in the parks, nobody in the places speaks English.
		They're all, they're all Muslims, or they're all Indians, or they're all Koreans.
		And where I live specifically, it's the stretch of the water overlooking Manhattan.
		And I look at it and I walk around and nobody, oh yeah.
		Yeah, people are like, I understand a place like California that might not be.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like New York and people are like, how could, how could someone like Zoran get in?
		I'm like, you don't, you don't know.
		Have you ever been to New York City?
		Like walk around?
		I mean, like it looks, it's like a bazaar there.
		I mean, it's crazy.
unidentified		Me and my wife go to Montauk every year and every year, I'm telling you, it gets worse and worse with like when you go to a restaurant, you look around and like there's like Russian people speaking Russian, speaking Japanese.
unidentified		Every year it gets less and less American and it's like people can't afford it out here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's part of it.
unidentified		We're becoming like the Tijuana of like every mall going to be serving the visitor.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, every mall, literally every mall in Northern Virginia is like a model UN now.
		I mean, it's like a total disaster and it's like it's not like, it's not even, I'm not even concerned about delinquency.
		It's like, these people could all make more money than me.
		That's perfectly fine.
		It's that it's not American.
		I'm an American.
		I want my children to grow up in a country that looks like America.
		And it's devastating that that's not, that my inheritance is being robbed right in front of my very eyes.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, there's, there's, and there's a lot of young people that feel the way you do.
unidentified		You know, there's That's why we're all like radical schizos.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm normal.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'm like a moderate, but just a sensible conservative.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, a sensible conservative.
		Yeah, fair enough.
		But I mean, I do think that that actual perspective that you're articulating, I think that that's something that is.
		That is, it's extremely popular nowadays.
		And I think that's part of why Donald Trump has been so successful.
		Like he was, what is it?
		Like he had like, what was his numbers with Gen Z?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		It was like, almost half, which is remarkable.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Incredible for a, for a, for a.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And like, and then they, I mean, we talked about it on the show, it's like there was this poll that came out where Gen Z soured on Trump, seemingly, overnight.
		And Tim made the point, and it's true, is like, that's not them thinking, oh, you know, Trump's too conservative or whatever.
		That's them outflanking him to the right.
		And they're like, oh, he's not deporting enough people.
		Like, people don't realize how angry Zoomers are about what's been done to their country.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The argument that Donald Trump was the moderate option is a Very true statement.
		Donald Trump is a Democrat from the 90s, genuinely.
		He's not a far right guy.
		As much as the left wants to cast him as such, he is not particularly far right.
		None of his policy prescriptions are in any way far right at all, and the American people don't understand what's coming when it comes to when Gen Z is not just, you know, is really politically active.
unidentified		Now, granted, there's not a lot of Gen Z. Oh yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like compared to.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They boarded a quarter of us.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was estimated to be 28% of Gen Z were aborted.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's almost a billion people.
		Crazy.
		It's about 900 million babies that were Gen Z that were aborted.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And Trump admin is an olive branch.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		When you hear Yeah, exactly.
		When you hear stuff like that, though, I think that that actually will harden, harden at least some people.
		And maybe this is just because I got a baby on the way.
		But like the idea of outlawing abortion seems obvious to me.
		And the idea of possibly outlawing the pill is like, well, maybe that's what the human race needs because the the fact that the birth rates are down.
		in the United States.
		It's not just in the US.
		It's globally except for, like, Africa.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think.
		Like, Mali still above, keeping their head above water.
		But it's like all these theories that people had about, like, birth rates.
		They're like, Oh, like, it's when people go from subsistence farming to, like, industrialization, the birth rate drops.
		And then, like, two years ago, India goes to supraplacement.
		So it's like, All that theory, all the social science went out the window and everyone's like, Oh, it's feminism.
		Oh, it's actually very simple.
		It's like the pill and it's like people comparing themselves to other people.
		It's actually very simple.
		And we can fix this by just being kind of mean.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Like, all the social science went out the window.
		Literally.
		I remember studying this, like, you know, there's all this complex economic theory and everything.
		It's not about positive birth control and like, yeah, and people get on TikTok and see hot people and like, oh, I don't want to, I'm not going to sell for anyone except that.
		That's all, that's all that's going on.
		That's the only way you can explain India going separate places.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We can never live in a pre birth control world again.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Like, the technology has been unleashed.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The asymmetry between men and women has been flattened.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		We don't know what to do now.
unidentified		Well, now there's new birth controls, like, I think it's called Meta, right?
unidentified		And your girlfriend is going to be in the cloud, and that's birth control.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's getting out of control.
		I agree.
		I think the only way out of this mess, and I hate to sound like, you know, a, you know, soapbox person, but it's like religiosity, specifically Christianity.
		That's the only way out of this mess.
		Seriously.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that that not that I think that won't help, but I don't know that that's going to be a thing for enough people.
		And I was talking about this, I think it was last night, like a lot of the questions that were answered by religion are no longer questions.
		For a long time, for the vast majority of human history, all of the questions that God answered have been answered.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		What about religion?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		That's an irreligious point of view.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That it's there, hold on.
		Let me let me finish my point.
		Because right now, people need religion, right?
		Religion is more like a language than anything else.
		Religion is ubiquitous throughout human history.
		So whether it be, it doesn't matter where the people are or how far apart in time they are, every single civilization has had some kind of religion.
		And the, the secularists of today have replaced God with basically themselves, right?
		That's why there's the whole the trans stuff is really self worship, the, the, because the idea that you're the idea that you can can create a perfected world, that's a godlike.
		So really what's happened is the religions that we remember or the religions that came before have been replaced in Western countries with this secular religion.
		And it doesn't have to have a Christlike figure, even though the Christlike figures are what people think of when they think of religion, when they think of a god like the Christian God or whatever, or the Catholic God or the Muslim God, that's not necessary for religion.
		That is one type of religion, but there's all kinds of other religions that have existed in human history.
		in the West has replaced the traditional religions with this kind of secular religion.
		And so whether or not you can convince whether or not people will believe in the older religions isn't whether or not they will believe in religion.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it's a question of whether or not Gen Z is going to show any interest in traditional religion.
		It's already happening.
		I just reminded myself of this stat.
		Okay, there was a six percent increase in Gen Z identifying as Catholic specifically between 2022 and 2023.
		That's huge.
		That's huge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And also But it's Gen Z who are the smallest of generations.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The number of church going young people is increasingly male.
		That's never been the case before historically.
		So now the majority of church going Gen Zers are male.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's historically because men are the most lost in this modern world.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's because, like you said, okay, a lot of these questions are being answered, like, okay, where does the sun go, et cetera, et cetera.
		It's like, that's what, like, okay, the scientific, we can, we can, that'll be Dawkins and John Lennox can debate that.
		We'll leave that.
		That's like the high brow stuff.
		It's the basic question that's the, that drives every human being when they go to sleep at night is, who am I?
		Why am I here?
		Where am I going when I die?
		And science will never, ever, ever, ever answer that question.
		Ever, and God will.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And it hasn't even answered.
		I agree that those questions are basic and that they're fundamental to the human experience, right?
		I just don't know that people are going to go to God in enough numbers where it would actually change the crashing birth rates.
		I mean, that's my point.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		The other place they're going, they're retreating to basically witchcraft.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, fair, yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, witchcraft is gaining popularity specifically with women, but also overall, like it's been commercialized into a multi-billion dollar industry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		$30 billion industry.
unidentified		Charger crystals.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		You can't escape it.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		It's everywhere.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, what's up with the laboo boo?
		That's part of my point, right?
		Like, it just because there has been an increase in traditional religion doesn't mean that it's actually going to be the thing that's fixing our our population going off the cliff.
		You know what I mean?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, like restoring, restoring the West to the pre modern state of things is going to take more than a generation.
		But I'm much more optimistic about the children that Zoomers will raise actually than I am of the generation that Boomers and Gen X raised.
		No offense, because I mean, I love Gen Xers, but it's just true.
		Is the fact that Zoomers have effectively figured all this out on their own is a very strong indicator for what the next generation that zoomers are going to birth are going to be.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Institutions like the church and marriage just have a way of reasserting themselves.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Well, that way is because if everyone on the one side is saying, Oh, I'm going to abort all my children and I'm not going to have any kids and I can't bring kids into the world, then the people that are having children are going to inherit the earth.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		No matter what you do, it's going to end up that way.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And the children that we have as right-wingers will be much more well rounded.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		They'll be, they're just going to want it more than the kids that whatever kids the left-wingers manage not to be selecting their, you know, gender or if they identify as a cat, you know, when they start struggle they have the litter boxes for the children to do.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		And there's traits like neuroticism that just like passed along.
		So it's like the left is like giving them like a basket case.
		They're all going to have like, you know, all these different, you know, problems.
		They're collecting labboos.
		And the right wingers are just going to be like, yeah, it's going to be fantastic.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Making money doing, you know, little things.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
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		Hector Garcia says, how long are you planning on wearing the Phil skin suit?
		I mean, I think it's clear that I'm not Tim.
		You know, Tim's been doing this a long time.
		He's much better at driving the ship than I am.
		So I think it's pretty clear that Tim is not me and I'm not Tim.
		When Tim comes back, I'll be right over there, you know?
		Let's see.
		Jake says false accusations should hold the same punishment as what you are accusing someone of.
		I'm not sure the context in this, but I don't have a problem with that.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That was when we were talking about Schiff and, you know, should Schiff face the death penalty for accusing Trump of treason, which the penalty is death.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So one would say in a civilized society, the answer would be yes.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, I think that he should face whatever the.
		extent of the law will allow.
		So whatever the most Hammurabi's code.
		Okay, there we go.
		TBOM 85 says, Stop giving CDLs to people from countries where they drive like a game of chicken.
		They don't think twice to run you off the road out here in the southwest.
		I mean, look, that's kind of the point that Mary was making, right?
		Like if you have people that disregard the rules of your country, they're certainly not going to take in account the rules of the road.
		And I think that it is a good thing to prevent those kind of people from coming here.
		If they are here, round them up and send them back home to some place that is more accommodating of their lifestyle and culture.
		Let's see.
		Shada Jamo says, I knew a trucker guy say an Indian guy got out of his truck and just took a crap right there in front of his truck.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's culturally appropriate.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That's like, I could have been Bourbon Street though.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I could have been multiple places.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Raymond G. Stanley says, I worked in the industrial world for 15 or so years.
		There are definitely white truckers.
		Talk to our viewers too.
		That's a crazy statement.
		I'm not sure which one is crazy.
unidentified		But, you know, I mean, they are having their jobs replaced.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's that is true.
		But I still don't think that I still think that in the long run, like most jobs are going to be replaced by automation and with robots.
		But I know that that's unpopular around here, but I think that that's the future that we've already that is already basically here.
		That's just a mess.
		I'm not sure about a technocracy.
		I'm not sure that it's a technocracy.
		But I do think that the automation is not going to be just something that's delegated to factories in the future.
		I think that it's going to be, you know, it's going to be ubiquitous.
		I think that Musk is probably right.
		There will be in ten years there will be hundreds of thousands of humanoid robots walking around among us and I think that most people are going to be pretty okay with it fairly quickly.
		There will be people that won't, I am sure of that.
		I'm sure that I'm going to catch a lot of hell from the chat just for saying that.
		But that's my sense.
		I want to trip them.
		You're more than welcome to trip them.
unidentified		The guy who's going to sell them to us is saying we're going to have them all IV, you know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, look, he's going to sell it every day.
unidentified		He wants that to be the case.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Again, again, I mean, you can be skeptical if you want, but I do think that, what, go ahead.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
		Did you ever see Peter Tilly?
		But do you think humanity will persist?
		Very simple question.
		Yeah, of course I want the human race to persist.
		He goes, I don't know about that.
		What?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		What, buddy?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		What are you saying?
unidentified		What?
unidentified		What?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		That's very scary, you know, cold mask off moment.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I want the human race to persist.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		What do you want there?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I had just gotten back from like Costco though.
		We all have that feeling out there.
		You're like, I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's like Black Friday.
		He was at a Walmart and he's like, what do you want?
		Come over.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You know, there could be some context missing, right?
		Maybe he got back.
		Yeah.
		Maybe he went to like Home Depot.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Peter Thiel goes to Home Depot.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Could be, you know.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of homosexual men go to Home Depot.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		They go to Lowe's, actually.
unidentified		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		The Light and Loafers, they're more Lowe's.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Those people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		John Burt is a member for 60 months.
		We appreciate the heck out of you.
		He says, five years.
		Big shout out to all the awesome people I've been lucky enough to know.
		Thank you to the Timcast team and especially Tim.
		Learned so much.
		That is great to hear.
		Thank you for being a member and sticking with us.
		Cheers, man.
		We appreciate the hell out of you guys.
		Let's see.
		The Deuteron-Ongonist?
		The issue was trucking used to be a trade that people were appreciated for.
		I'm sorry.
		Used to be a trade that people apprenticed for.
		The bar has been lowered by easy schooling, basically DEI to open the trade to everyone.
		I mean, look, that's the way that kind of it goes.
		But really, I understand that trucking at some point was similar to a trade, but it is one of the trucking is something that most people can do.
		Most Americans, most people can drive, especially, particularly if you can speak the language of the country that you're in, you can learn the rules of the road and most people can at least.
		So the idea that it's, that it's specialized, I mean, part of the reason why they're stuffing, you know, people that have, you know, newly arrived foreigners and illegal immigrants into these jobs is because it is something that they can generally do if they're, you know, if they can read English.
		I think the failure point is that we're allowing people to that aren't familiar with the country and can't read the language and can't speak the language, we're allowing them to drive.
		And that's where the breaking point is.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I've never driven an eighteen wheeler, but I imagine it's a little more difficult than driving, you know, than driving like a truck, right?
		Tiny.
		Like, so there is a it's even scarier to think that, you know, obviously any, you know, people can learn these things, but the fact that they have to learn it and they can't speak English and they're they're very low IQ people, smaller brains.
unidentified		I think the blind spot for an eighteen wheeler is like 180 feet or something that you can't, so I don't know.
unidentified		I think it might be higher.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about 180 feet, but I mean, look, it's a hundred plus.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It is, it is, it's definitely harder than driving.
unidentified		You Probably wrong on that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely harder than driving like, you know, a Toyota.
		But I mean, your average person that gets an RV, those are, those can be really big things.
		They're the size of buses, you know, size of, like 45 foot, they'll call it XL 2s is what they use in the music industry nowadays, or XLs.
		45 foot long.
		And, and, you know, they're, they are more difficult to drive than a regular vehicle, but it's not something that's super complex, you know.
unidentified		And it could be up to 200 feet the blind spot for an 18-wheeler.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So.
unidentified		Crazy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see.
		Dad squatch, it looks like Phil, your argument for having automated trucks safer than having illegal immigrants on the road is exactly what the liberal tech bros want.
		White American trucker, I don't know what your point is that it like that is what they want, but it is also like there is going to come a time when vehicle will be driven more safely by robots than by humans.
		That will happen.
		And I mean, I'm sorry to be, you know, you can be mad at me about it, but it's just, it's true.
		So it's perfectly fine if you want to be angry with me though.
		It's fine.
		Shane H. Wilder says with deportations, some left.
		Some leftists are calling to bring back the Bracero program that ended in nineteen sixty four because it made workers essentially slave laborers and required them to be sprayed with DDT before working.
		Well, that sounds terrible.
		I don't know anything about this.
		But yeah, thanks, Shane.
		Evan for us says, If y'all want to see some shocking data on the dating marriage homeowners realm, look up the statistics on the number of Gen Z that are married and or have children.
		We are in deep S if we don't fix it.
		I'm not sure that there is a fix a comin'.
		Gen Z has to have four kids each for replacement, right?
		Like boomers and Gen X were at the 2.1.
		There were so few millennials and even fewer still Gen Z. They have to have four.
		So I don't know if that fix is coming or not.
		A lot of people, that's another thing that people like, there's a lot of people that are like, oh, you know, the idea of so much automation, that's terrible, that's terrible, that's terrible.
		It might be necessary.
		like just to have a society that functions because you've got fewer people that fill the jobs that are necessary to keep society working and you're going to need some some, some way to get the garbage out.
		You're going to need some, some way to get things built.
		You're going to need some, some way to get a lot of things done that people do, but there's just not enough Gen Z to do it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, go like about two weeks ago on the Culture Ward channel, my interview with Nate Fisher, that was, that's a really good case, the right wing case for, for automation.
		It's just very pragmatic, especially dealing with population decline.
		And he does a good job explaining how AI could actually be a good solution for increasing the birth rate just because women particularly work these pointless email jobs oftentimes.
		And if you can automate those out, increase male wages through increasing their productivity, Then we could actually see the total fertility rate increase as women are freed up to raise children.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And you might see a lot of the depression, a considerable amount of the depression that you see in women go away because honestly, I think that most women have been fooled into thinking that they want to be boss bitches and be career women and they actually don't.
		And if they had kids, they would be like, holy cow, this is the best.
		And you hear that a lot.
		Women that go to work, they start a career, they work for a little while, then they get married and they have a child and they take time off and they're like, I don't want to leave my child.
		I love my child.
		I love hanging out with my child.
		And I'm like, kid, why do I want to go back to work?
		And some of them don't have the opportunity.
		They don't have the ability to stay home.
		But a lot of women, if you say, hey, would you rather stay home or would you rather go back to work?
		And they're like, I'm staying home with my kid.
		They rule.
		You know, this is the best thing ever.
		So it will fix it.
unidentified		What's the problem with the show Friends?
		You know, great show.
		If you're a fan, I get it.
		But it's got this whole generation like, I have to be a girl boss.
		I have to, and like, we need that opposite push.
		You know, we need some viral, you know, movement.
		Because it's just insanity.
		What it's become?
		It's Friends.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cat 318.
unidentified		No.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Sorry.
		Cat 318 says Kathy Hochel said at a press conference that what happened to President Trump wouldn't happen to any other business after President Trump lost that case.
		Tish James just needs to go after real criminals.
		Well, yeah, but they say that, but the precedents have already been set, right?
		They say that it won't happen until, you know, the next president that gets in that's on the right, because remember, they were saying that Donald Trump is the worst thing that could ever happen.
		He's worse than Hitler, literally verbatim.
		He's worse than Hitler.
		And then, as soon as you start talking about JD Vance, you see, you see think pieces coming out.
		Donald Trump was bad, but whoa boy, JD Vance is worse.
		There were people that were starting to make that very argument about Ron DeSantis when DeSantis was running against Donald Trump before DeSantis dropped out, before everyone saw the lifts in his boots.
		And they were like, look, DeSantis might actually be worse than Trump because he's competent and Donald Trump was a buffoon and blah, blah, blah.
		They were starting to make that argument.
		That is the argument that the left will make forever because they don't have any principle at all.
		They only use words as a means to strike to strike fear in people.
		They're totally postmodern.
		Now, their words don't have to have any attachment to reality.
		That's why they call Donald Trump Hitler.
		Even though he's nothing like Hitler, like his policies are not like any kind of socialism or national socialism, nothing like that at all, but they draw any connection to Hitler they can because they don't have the ability to make reasoned arguments.
		They only have the ability to say that he is the worst thing ever because they believe that words don't have meaning, words are just access to power.
		It's all postmodern garbage.
		But anyhow, let's see what we got here.
		Moses Stalin Moses Stalin sixty nine says Mary absolutely cracks me up.
		You got a fan, Mary.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		And he has a lot of fans.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Am I funny in a laughing at or laughing with?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Laughing with.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Laughing with kind of way.
		So, um, what do we got?
		St. Miles says Mary, the Oracle of Tim Cast IRL has spoken.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Does me?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, the other Mary.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm flattered.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They call you the Oracle, so.
		You get a lot of, uh, a lot of love.
		Let's see.
		Dave Flores says, Kellen, imagine a bunch of S-bag New Yorkers talking S about Maryland, completely homo.
unidentified		Way to go, my God.
unidentified		Sorry.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Sorry about it.
		Listen, New York is quickly becoming more of a failed society and obviously Mandomni and all that, but we will always be better than Maryland in every single way, in every single form.
		I'm sorry.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		That was Kellen that said.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		You're from Maryland.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		From New York.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's not even comparable.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I hate Maryland.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I made one comment.
unidentified		I'm not going to go with it, dad.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		I made one comment about Maryland that I'm the type that digs my heels in.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		So fuck Maryland.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we need an enemy here.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're done.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We need to unite around something.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		We need a fall guy.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		So.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Oh, are you?
unidentified		Yeah.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I didn't like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		SA Federelli says I feel like we need to move on from on from that.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mary consistently has proven right that nothing ever happens.
		And the argument that she's gullible is something seems to be happening.
		Then it goes away and nothing actually happens that needs to.
		So she's right.
		No one, no one has ever said that she's gullible.
		I don't think anyone has ever said that about Mary around here.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		I think he's saying the people who think that something is happening are gullible.
		They're like, look, look, something's happening.
		And then it doesn't happen.
unidentified		Hmm.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Anything.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
unidentified		So, frantically searching for evidence of something happening.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There was a poll that Search put up.
		Does anything ever happen?
		And there was 57, 57 percent said, Yeah, all the time.
		So.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I may have worded that.
		I'm sure I worded that a little bit poorly.
		I could have worded that a lot better, but it's pretty split.
		It's like 50 percent the whole show show.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm gonna okay.
		So I'm gonna take a little jab at this.
		Red Pill deGuin says, I can't wait for AI to replace podcast Talking Head just like truck travers.
		I know that's a shot at me, but listen, that's kind of a funny one though.
		Yeah, you think it's funny, but you're not, you're not winning anything because my job was replaced by Spotify 15 years ago, okay?
		I sell records, people stopped buying records 15 years ago.
		So if you think that you're funny, like I'm already deep in it.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He's been replaced once.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Already now.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He needs to come back.
unidentified		Yeah.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He will he will figure out how to do it again.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Don't think that, like, oh, you're so mean for talking about this.
		Fuck you.
		Like this has already happened to me.
		If it were the nineties, never mind.
		Anyway, people used to buy records.
		They stopped buying records.
		Now they buy Spotify for ten bucks a month and get all the music in the world for free.
		So don't give me that.
		Oh, it's so bad that it's happening to me now.
		Yeah.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		AI can't, AI can't screw up an ad read like I can.
		It's too good.
		It's too perfect.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Maverick Cuba says, why should American businesses, landowners, be punished for not proper vetting?
		Do you see how the property business seizures will be used to punish Americans for not legally vetting other Americans for work slash rent under the table?
unidentified		Look at the vetting for.
unidentified		citizenship?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look at them.
		Oh, you're not a, oh, you're a citizen?
		Are you an Indian?
unidentified		Is it that hard to figure out?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I get what you're saying.
		I get what you're saying.
		If you're coming from the position of, look, the government can't be trusted.
		I get it and I agree, right?
		But the idea that the government can't be trusted so we can never do anything only lets the left rule the country.
		That's all there is to it.
		It allows the left to do whatever they want.
		And then the Republicans, and that's part of the problem with Republicans now.
		So it's not, we can't do this.
		That's unprincipled.
		This isn't the role of the federal government, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
		You have to exercise power when you have it.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		We have to go a little authoritarian to fix these problems, I'm sorry.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I agree, but the argument that the government doesn't have that authority, they do it all the time.
		They use civil asset forfeiture to take your cash if you're going to buy a car in cash.
		Who's that cash for?
		Well, it's mine now and the police just take it and you have no recourse.
		Like the government does this stuff all the time to benefit itself.
		It's time for the government to use the powers that it has taken for itself to benefit the American people.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's like, oh, you don't trust the government?
		Oh, well, everyone that hates you does.
		That's kind of the problem.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they do and they're going to use it it to do terrible things to you and the things that you love.
unidentified		Real?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So I get it, I understand your argument, but I abandoned that argument a long time ago when I stopped being a libertarian because it doesn't work in the real world.
		That's all there is to it.
		If you don't use the power of government when your party has it, if you don't have representatives that will use that power, you are just saying, let the left use the power, let the left beat up on me, let the left destroy my country, let the left do all the things they want to do, and I'm too principled to do it.
		Well, I tell you what, I'm not too principled to tell the government to use its power in my, on my behalf, in my benefit.
unidentified		Mic drop.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not a bot says, When my dad's family came to America from Mexico, my grandpa told me not to teach his children to speak Spanish, because we're all Americans now.
		He was a Marachi, and he was so proud to earn his family citizenship.
		And that's great.
		That is exactly how immigrants to America should behave.
		They should stop speaking the language from their old country.
		They should become Americans.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Throw away the Selena Gomez Oreos.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Eat normal Oreos.
unidentified		I remember a moment when I was in high school, whatever, when I started Italian, like a foreign language.
		And I'm like, I don't know anything.
		I go to my parents.
		I'm like, why didn't you teach me Italian?
		They're like, well, I don't know Italian.
		We came to this country.
		My parents said, You learn English.
		And that's it because we're here now.
		And it's like, that is so gone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I I don't see why people don't, you know, make the connection of if you are in the country, you should be speaking English, but we're going to wrap it up from here.
		So actually, do you want to go ahead and shout something out?
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		It's been great to be on the show tonight.
		Appreciate it.
		Very based conversation.
		Long live America, hopefully.
		And you guys can follow me on X at Mike Crispy.
		Follow me on X. Everything is there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mary?
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I was waiting for you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		Producer Frankie on X. Oh, they were.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		Brand new X account.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There we go.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just started it.
mike crispi ▲ ● ▼		He's brand new.
unidentified		Okay.
mary morgan ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You guys can go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis.
		We go live every Monday to Friday at 3 p.m.
		Eastern.
		You can send me validation on Instagram at Mary Archived.
		You can send me hate on X. That is also Mary Archived.
		And help me get TikTok famous.
		That is also Mary Archived.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You can follow me on X and Instagram at RealTape Brown.
		I don't know.
		I don't think I'll have any morning shows next week.
		I think Tim's gonna be back, hopefully.
		But if not, you'll see me Monday.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Tomorrow.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		There's no morning show tomorrow.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We're doing the Culture War tomorrow.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		You're doing the Culture War.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to be here?
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		I'll be here, I'll be behind the desk.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be on camera, you know it.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, I don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Come on, everyone loves you.
tate brown ▲ ● ▼		Tomorrow's going to be a Monster Culture War, please, please watch it, you're going to love it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I am Phil that remains on Twix.
		The band is all that remains.
		You can check us out on Apple Music, Amazon Music, Pandora, Spotify, Deezer, and YouTube.
		I will be here tomorrow morning for the Culture War at 11, right?
		And Tate will be on, don't let him, don't let him steer you wrong.
		He'll be on.
		We're going to have a great conversation.
		It will actually be about AI, if I understand correctly.
		So join us tomorrow.
		And then we'll be here tomorrow night for IRL.
		There will be no after show, but tonight, in just a few minutes, we're going to start the Rumble after show.
		So go to Rumble, become a member.
		so you can watch the after show.
		We'll see you guys soon.
unidentified		We'll see you soon.
unidentified		Thank you.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		We go.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's just not enough of you.
		Right?
		Like there's a massive people shortage.
		Gen Z barely exists.
		There's like seven of them.
		And they stay home all the time.
		They're not having enough kids.
		They got to have like a million kids each.

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