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tim pool
Donald Trump has been diagnosed with chronic venous insufficiency.
There are a bunch of viral stories circulating showing Donald Trump having weird bruising on his hand that he covered up with foundation.
And it was kind of weird because the foundation didn't match his skin tone, almost like the people who did it didn't know how to do makeup.
But apparently it's, I guess people are saying he's old.
That's it.
Other than that, they're saying his health is great.
But we'll talk about that, what that means.
And a lot of the commentary is that this is the way it should have been handled with Joe Biden.
Just come out and say, he's an old guy.
Here's what's happening.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, we got some good news.
Donald Trump's approval rating among Republicans, despite all the Epstein stuff, it's gone up.
CNN's Harry Enton was surprised to see that basically all of the polls show he's improved with the Republican Party despite the controversy.
In fact, among Gen X, he is now up 10 points, a massive jump from the previous CNN poll.
And Trump has improved with Hispanics.
Kind of weird.
And because we have to, I guess, the biggest story in the country right now, some guy got caught cheating on his wife.
I'm not kidding.
It's a cold play concert, and he was like spooning some woman or something.
That's it.
And he's had to issue an apology over it.
But seriously, the search volume on this is crazy.
So I'm actually interested in that angle on why it is the president can be diagnosed with some kind of ailment, but the bigger news story is some guy got caught cheating.
Maybe that's why that Joe Cheaters was so popular.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more.
We got 6'7 Kevin.
@67kevin
Howdy there, 6'7, Kevin here reporting.
I'm grateful to be here.
I'm excited.
tim pool
Is it true that you're actually 6'7?
@67kevin
It is very true.
If I could stand next to Mary right now, everybody could see.
mary morgan
We took a picture together last time you were here.
tim pool
You actually have a documentary coming out.
We teamed up on this on Monday.
@67kevin
Coming out on Rumble Premium.
I want to thank Tim for investing in boots on the ground journalism.
Gave the opportunity for me to go through Panama, the Darien jungle, up through Mexico to the Texas border.
Got to see the journey of migrants, talk to them, hear about how they want the American dream while Gen Z is saying the American Dream is dead.
And it was fascinating to see.
So everything from whistleblowers talking about how much money was given to illegal immigrants in blue cities to hanging out with Border Patrol catching smugglers in the middle of the desert.
And yeah, it was a hoot and hauler.
So if you want to see what migrants think and how Border Patrol thinks and acts, I hung out with them.
And it was fun.
tim pool
We got Carter hanging out.
carter banks
What's up, everyone?
It was, this is, it's great.
The documentary, I don't want to give away too much, but I got to see a little bit extra of it.
Did a little scoring on it as well.
And it is something else.
So, yeah.
tim pool
And we'll be releasing the soundtrack.
Got eight songs.
carter banks
Yes, got eight or nine.
We're going to release those, the instrumentals.
So if you like the documentary, you'll probably like the music because it played a big part in it.
@67kevin
Yeah, some people say just like Star Wars, it sucked until the music.
tim pool
The music's the only thing good about it.
Right on.
Well, it should be fun.
Mary's here.
mary morgan
Hello, everyone.
My name is Mary Morgan, and you can usually find me on Pop Culture Crisis here at Timcast.
I'm happy to be here.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Here's the news from CNN.
Trump diagnosed with chronic venous insufficiency following leg swelling.
Now, the story was this image right here that had been going viral was actually a couple.
Trump's got weird makeup on his hand.
Now, the bigger concern I have is why did they not get the skin tone properly?
mary morgan
Just orange, it's not complicated.
tim pool
Maybe it's because there is no orange.
Don't you just go to Walgreens and they just have a bunch and you just put them next to your skin until it looks good, right?
mary morgan
Yeah, the Sephora girls will get you sorted.
tim pool
All right, I guess.
Well, we've got this clip.
This is Carolyn Levitt.
karoline leavitt
I know that many in the media have been speculating about bruising on the president's hand and also swelling in the president's legs.
So in the effort of transparency, the president wanted me to share a note from his physician with all of you today.
In recent weeks, President Trump noted mild swelling in his lower legs.
In keeping with routine medical care and out of an abundance of caution, this concern was thoroughly evaluated by the White House medical unit.
The president underwent a comprehensive examination, including diagnostic vascular studies.
Bilateral lower extremity venous Doppler ultrasounds were performed and revealed chronic venous insufficiency, a b9, and common condition, particularly in individuals over the age of 70.
Importantly, there was no evidence of deep vein thrombosis or arterial disease.
Laboratory testing included a complete blood count, comprehensive metabolic panel, coagulation profile, D-dimer, B-type, natriotic peptide, and cardiac biomarkers.
All results were within normal limits.
An echocardiogram was also performed and confirmed normal cardiac structure and function.
No signs of heart failure, renal impairment, or systemic illness were identified.
Additionally, recent photos of the president have shown minor bruising on the back of his hand.
This is consistent with minor soft tissue irritation from frequent handshaking and the use of aspirin, which is taken as part of a standard cardiovascular prevention regimen.
This is a well-known and benign side effect of aspirin therapy.
And the president remains in excellent health, which I think all of you witness on a daily basis here.
tim pool
Do we believe that?
mary morgan
The handshake hypothesis?
tim pool
Well, I mean, all of it.
Is he healthy and fine, and he's shaking too many hands?
mary morgan
Well, other people were saying it's obviously a spot where you would put an IV.
And I looked close up at the high-definition photographs, and there is seemingly an entry point there.
And I looked back and found a post as early as November 29th last year showing the makeup on his hand.
So it was going on all the way back then, and they just talked about it.
And then during Emmanuel Macron's first visit to the White House since the inauguration, people noted that he was grabbing Trump's hand when they shook hands like really hard, like gripping, digging his fingers in.
And that's allegedly the same visit when Macrone advised Trump or really asked, begged Trump to tell Candace Owens to stop talking about Brigitte.
tim pool
I don't believe that actually.
Late February.
I think Candace Owens got spoofed.
phil labonte
I want it to be true.
mary morgan
You think by like AI Trump?
tim pool
I think somebody spoofed called her.
And the way she described the call sounded like someone spoofed her.
She said that Trump jumped right into the conversation without saying what's up, which is indicative of someone pre-recording or having an air ready to go.
And then she said that when she made a response, he didn't even acknowledge it.
He just kept saying the same thing.
And I'm like, yeah, it's because someone spoofed you.
But maybe I'm wrong.
I don't know.
The prankster hasn't come out and proven it.
So I'm just speculating over here.
phil labonte
I mean, look, the thing that I think most people that are, at least on the conservative side, the questions they have is, you know, the media has noticed this, but they didn't notice four years of a walking corpse in the White House.
They didn't notice that President Biden could barely complete sentences.
They would call LIDS at one in the afternoon.
So, I mean, maybe Trump has something, you know, some health issues, but he's 79.
That is fairly typical of someone that age.
tim pool
You know, I'm thinking about all this fiction they've done on, are you guys familiar with what a lich is?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
Undead.
phil labonte
Lich King.
tim pool
Yeah.
And the way they depict a lich is more functional than Joe Biden was as president, which kind of makes it Less scary now when you're like, oh, it's not actually a scary kind of thing right now.
It's like it was better than we actually had with the president.
phil labonte
I mean, this just makes, it makes it, it reaffirms all of the people that have the opinion: you know, you can't trust the media and you think you hate the media enough, but you can't hate them enough.
Like, that's literally the attitude that people should have walking away from this, regardless of what you think about Donald Trump.
Like, maybe he's got something going on.
I don't think that if it were serious, they would be downplaying it like this.
Possibly they could, but he's 220 pounds.
Pardon me?
mary morgan
He's too bad.
phil labonte
Well, yeah, I mean, look, look, he's definitely overweight.
He's a big guy.
He's overweight.
mary morgan
He's the reported weight.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And again, look, I mean, again, he's 79 years old.
He's an older guy, and he's going to have procedures.
He's going to have a degradation of health.
But honestly, I think the biggest story here is, look, they can see small things on Donald Trump, but the media couldn't tell that President Biden was incapacitated for most of his presidency.
And all of the things that are downstream from that.
Kamala Harris did not do anything about it.
His entire cabinet didn't say anything.
Nobody stood up and said, hey, we don't think the president can handle the job.
And I think that the American people deserve to be made aware of this.
They should have invoked the 25th Amendment, and they didn't.
So whether or not you have a problem with Donald Trump, you can't deny the fact that this is obviously showing the double standard that the media consistently.
tim pool
Well, I just, I asked our friend ChatGPT what causes CVI, and it says valve damage or failure, deep vein thrombosa, there's nothing there, weak or narrowed vein walls, risk factors, obesity, pregnancy.
Are they telling us something?
phil labonte
Franz Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is actually, he's been a woman since he, he's been a woman since he started with the Soviet Union as a KGB from the 80s.
unidentified
Yeah, because he was transition.
tim pool
When he was born, because he would have to be premenopausal to be pregnant today.
phil labonte
Yep.
All the way back to the 80s, just like lack of physical activity.
tim pool
Didn't Trump say he doesn't work out because he believes that you have a certain amount of energy and you wait.
carter banks
He totally did say that, yeah.
mary morgan
I remember it was like time to do that, though.
tim pool
Is that true?
phil labonte
Look, you can do, you can tweet and walk on.
carter banks
I'm not sure where I heard that, but I heard that from somewhere.
mary morgan
He's constantly traveling.
He's constantly on the move.
tim pool
I don't know that I trust CNN in this one, but they wrote, Donald Trump has a very strange theory about exercise.
Other than golf, he considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy, writes Evan Osnos in a piece titled How Trump Could Get Fired.
unidentified
You know what?
phil labonte
I believe it.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
All of my friends who work out all the time, they're going for knee replacements, hip replacements.
They're a disaster.
He said he exerts himself fully by standing in front of an audience for an hour, and he just did.
That's exercise.
carter banks
I mean, yeah, it's cardio.
phil labonte
Don't listen to him go to the gym.
tim pool
I do love the sweet.
I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.
carter banks
Gotta have good form, though.
mary morgan
That was self-deprecating because he's a fan of Diet Coke.
He knows that.
tim pool
Indeed.
He's also chunky.
@67kevin
Well, after some of his previous tests, I remember it was like in 2022, he was saying, I'm the healthiest president that's ever lived.
They did the tests on me.
They were like, wow, Mr. Trump, you're so healthy.
I don't mind bragging about that.
unidentified
Okay.
mary morgan
We know that he's not fully demented like Biden was, but we can't pretend that he is as sharp as he used to be.
He's certainly not.
And you can tell when you listen to him talk, I mean, he's trailing through these sentences and his voice is not as forceful as it used to be.
And it sounds like he has trouble getting it out sometimes.
And with his recent posts on Truth Social, it's like, is somebody else writing this stuff?
I hope so, because if it's him, that's even worse.
phil labonte
Well, there was a behind-the-scenes kind of thing.
mary morgan
He's not going to talk to somebody verbally, but that somebody else entirely is coming up with these tweets.
phil labonte
I don't.
I don't know that I believe Donald Trump would allow that.
tim pool
Other people to truth for him?
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
What he's posting is truly deranged.
phil labonte
What do you mean, truly deranged?
tim pool
Which posts?
I don't want your support anymore.
phil labonte
Which ones?
mary morgan
I mean, you know, the tweets, not tweets, truths.
tim pool
The ones where he was like, I don't want your support.
mary morgan
Related to Epstein.
phil labonte
Oh, that's not.
I think that that's.
mary morgan
You're acting like that happened five years ago.
unidentified
I just don't.
phil labonte
What do you mean?
mary morgan
I don't remember.
phil labonte
The guy tweets all the time.
I'm just asking you to be specific because the guy tweets all the time.
The point being, like, the stuff about Epstein, like, that shows, I think, less that someone else is doing it and more that it kind of rattles him.
Honestly.
I think that he just doesn't like to be associated with Epstein.
mary morgan
He's in a state of panic.
@67kevin
Yeah, I think he's stressed.
unidentified
Yeah.
@67kevin
The medical conditions come from stress.
unidentified
Could be.
phil labonte
Could be.
But it's my kind of guess that if things are a little off, it's not because someone else is writing the tweets.
It's because he's a little rattled about the Epstein stuff.
carter banks
I kind of feel like if it was like really big deal, though, they would have tried harder to cover up his skin.
Yeah.
Because if it were Biden, they would have had a fake hand for him to have instead of just like off-colored makeup.
So I kind of feel like he didn't care if people found out because then he went on to present a bunch of healthy reasons he was doing good to counteract all the potential causes.
@67kevin
If it was Biden, it would have been a clone.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
Well, we got another story.
Let's jump to this from the Wall Street Journal.
Jeffrey Epstein's friends sent him bawdy letters for a 50th birthday album.
One was from Donald Trump.
The leatherbound book was compiled by Gheelan Maxwell.
The president says the letter is a fake thing.
Well, J.D. Vance has responded as well.
He says, forgive my language.
This story is complete and utter BS.
The Wall Street Journal should be ashamed for publishing it.
Where is this letter?
Would you be shocked to learn they never showed it to us before publishing it?
Does anyone honestly believe this sounds like Donald Trump?
And so that was J.D. Vance's response.
And I wonder if they have, let's grab the letter.
He said, the letter bearing Trump's name, which was reviewed by the journal, is body, like others in the album.
It contains several lines of typewritten text Framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.
A pair of small arcs denotes the woman's breasts and the future president's signature is squiggly Donald below her waist, mimicking her pubic hair.
The letter concludes: Happy birthday, and may every day be another for wonderful secret.
In an interview with the journal on Tuesday evening, Trump denied writing the letter or drawing the picture.
This is not me.
This is a fake thing.
It's a fake Wall Street Journal story.
I never wrote a picture in my life.
I don't draw pictures of women, he said.
It's not my language.
It's not my words.
He told the journal he was preparing to file a lawsuit if it published an article.
I'm going to sue the Wall Street Journal just like I sued everyone else, he said.
Okay.
I mean, what's the evidence that Donald was Donald?
They say it isn't clear how the letter with Trump signature was prepared.
Inside the outline of the Naked Woman was a typewritten note styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein, written in a third person.
Voiceover.
There must be more to life than having everything, the note began.
Donald, yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is.
Jeffrey, nor will I, since I also know what it is.
Donald, we have certain things in common, Jeffrey.
Yes, we do, come to think of it.
Donald, enigmas never age.
Have you noticed that?
Jeffrey, as a matter of fact, it was clear to me the last time I saw you.
Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing.
Happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret.
mary morgan
Well, that's ominous.
tim pool
It just says it was signed Donald, though, was it signed Donald Trump?
@67kevin
Yeah, where's the signature?
Can we handwriting analysis?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
We could tell if it's his.
tim pool
It said it was just Donald over his pubic, like as pubic hair.
So that's not Trump's normal signature.
phil labonte
No.
There was a lot of people talking about this earlier this morning and last night.
So that show that I, Tua, which has Mark Halperin.
tim pool
It says bearing Trump's name by the journal.
serge du preez
I saw the picture somewhere.
I don't know where it is.
I'm going to keep trying to look for it.
tim pool
You find it.
serge du preez
Yeah.
It's buried, you know.
phil labonte
So yeah, like I was saying, on 2-A, Mark Halperin and Tean Spicer and Dan Tureen, I think his name is, they were talking about this yesterday, and they were kind of alluding to this being a fairly big deal, or at least something that had the White House, the administration kind of up in arms about.
They were upset, upset enough for Donald Trump to call the Wall Street Journal and actually speak to him about it.
I feel like it's kind of a nothing burger.
Sure, it's a little weird and creepy, but I think that the reason that Trump objected to this is because it's another more evidence of association with Epstein, and he is trying his best to distance himself from Epstein and everything.
There's also allegations that Trump met Melania through Epstein.
@67kevin
I saw that, yeah.
phil labonte
And it's possible that the first time that Trump and Melania had sex, it was on Epstein's plane.
These are allegations that I've heard.
I'm only telling you the things that I've heard.
So I don't know how valid they are.
@67kevin
But it doesn't look like Melania, though.
Like, if you look at the pictures, it's this blonde woman that does not look like her at all.
I'm not sure.
phil labonte
So you've seen the pictures though?
@67kevin
I've seen the pictures, yeah.
But I'm not 100%.
There is a lot of fake news coming up out about this stuff with AI-generated photos and all that.
So it's tough to say.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, a lot of people have a serious interest for either associating Trump with Epstein or doing whatever they can to smear Trump, obviously, because he's the president and it's politics and stuff.
tim pool
It says Trump's name, but are they just saying Donald?
Like, where, I, you know, unless they showed it to us, this is what's kind of weird about the story is I don't know who Donald is.
Donald could be Trump.
Is that what they're claiming?
phil labonte
That's the argument, yeah.
tim pool
So anybody named Donald is Donald Trump?
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know.
Like I said, I haven't seen the picture, but his signature is...
tim pool
It doesn't say it's signed Donald Trump.
phil labonte
It's always been fairly distinct.
carter banks
Yeah.
unidentified
It doesn't even seem like something that Trump would say.
carter banks
Sounds like weird fan fiction.
unidentified
Yeah.
What is this?
tim pool
Alan Dershowitz.
Wait, wait.
Among those who submitted letters were Leslie Wexner and Alan Dershowitz.
The album also contained a letter from now-deceased Harvard Economist, one of Epstein's report cards from Mark Twain Jr.
High School in Brooklyn, and a note from a former assistant that included an acrostic with Epstein's name, Jeffrey O. Jeffrey.
Everyone loves you.
Fun in the sun.
Fun just for fun.
Remember, don't forget me soon.
Epstein, you rock.
You are the best.
I don't know.
Is that relevant?
That is kind of a weird story.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Again, I think that it's even if it was something written by Trump, the only thing that it does is add more evidence that Trump and Epstein knew each other and they were friendly, which I think.
mary morgan
Everyone already knew?
phil labonte
Yeah, I feel like that's not really a secret.
There's plenty of pictures of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein hanging out before, what is it, 2000 when he decided that he didn't want to be around Epstein anymore.
I'm not sure what the context of that was.
Yeah, he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago and stuff.
And all the topics, oh, all of them, huh?
Yeah, so I mean, I don't see how this is particularly inflammatory other than Trump doesn't like it because it reminds people of Epstein when he's, you know, all the Epstein heat is on now.
mary morgan
The part of the base that's challenging Trump on this right now doesn't even believe that he's trying to hide incriminating information about himself in the Epstein files.
They want to know who else he's protecting.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
So it seems to be like a total red herring.
tim pool
It doesn't really sound like Trump.
mary morgan
No.
tim pool
You know?
unidentified
Trump's the kind of guy who's I mean, kind of.
Yeah.
tim pool
But also Trump's the guy who was on a bus and he was like, you know, when you're famous, women let you do whatever you do whatever you want.
Yeah, grandma, though.
And, you know, that was kind of like weird, goofy, lovey-dovey.
But I don't know.
Who am I to say?
carter banks
Supposed to be a letter for his 50th birthday party to the album?
tim pool
I think all the news everywhere all the time is fake now.
carter banks
Kind of feel like that.
tim pool
Well, because we read that Axios stories the other day that said Republicans block a Democrat attempt to publish Epstein files for a second time.
And then you find out actually it was a procedural vote on control of the floor.
And it's like, oh.
And then they say, we want control of the floor, but we're going to publish Epstein.
And you're like, no, you can't control the floor.
And Axios publishes that Republicans blocked the release of Epstein.
phil labonte
And the reason that they didn't want to give up control of the floor is because of all the Doge cuts that were coming later in the day, which passed because it took the vote of the vice president.
But the NPR defunding, the PBS defunding, all these things that were tenants of Donald Trump's run and things that Republicans have been trying to do for ages.
They're like, oh, yeah, we're not going to give up control.
So that way we can make sure these things pass.
And then the Democrats are just, oh, well, you're trying to hide the Epstein stuff.
And it's very dishonest.
But there's a lot of people that run.
The left totally ran with it.
And that's all you saw all day long is people were replying to Congress people.
You voted to, you didn't want to put the Epstein stuff out.
You didn't want to put the Epstein stuff out.
And it just is patently false.
tim pool
This is boring.
phil labonte
Wow.
You know, it's.
mary morgan
Did you say PBS got defunded?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
So, yeah.
mary morgan
Oh, Elmo lashing out just makes PBS so much more.
tim pool
I don't think Elmo got hacked.
I think it was an employee.
mary morgan
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, they were probably getting fired.
unidentified
They put out a statement that said it was hacked, but...
What?
phil labonte
That wasn't Elmo.
tim pool
No.
Actually, this may be a surprise to you, Phil, but there's a man who inserts his hand inside of Elmo.
unidentified
Oh, nasty.
tim pool
He's a puppet.
unidentified
What?
mary morgan
That is so vulnerable.
tim pool
Is he a Muppet?
Is Elmo?
mary morgan
No, he's not one of the people.
carter banks
I don't think he's.
tim pool
He's not a Muppet.
mary morgan
He's a whole different thing.
tim pool
What does Muppet mean?
mary morgan
It's like DC and the MCU.
carter banks
Oh, totally different.
tim pool
Different race of puppet.
All right, I guess.
Yeah, I'm saying I don't think the account was hacked.
I think someone with access to it was going to get fired, commandeered it.
And they just say it was hacked in this.
Maybe they just, it's easier to say hacked than to say a rogue employee who normally shouldn't have access to this used it.
I don't know.
carter banks
Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I mean, well, hacked is such a, it's used so colloquial now.
Yeah, it's such, it's so broad.
It's like.
mary morgan
It reminded me, like, 13 years ago, there was this guy who dressed up as Elmo in Central Park and started ranting at passersby, including children, about the Jews.
And he was known as anti-Semitic Elmo.
unidentified
What?
mary morgan
And there are plenty of videos on YouTube still of this guy ranting about the Jews in Central Park in an Elmo costume.
And then a New York Times did like a write-up on him, found out who he was.
He claimed his name was Adam Sandler.
phil labonte
His name was Zoran von Dami.
mary morgan
It was Zoron the whole time.
Oh, wow.
His first acting job.
phil labonte
That's right.
@67kevin
Wow.
I mean, it really was pretty brilliant, though, to see all of the Elmo memes come out because it harkened back.
Do y'all remember that it was like one of the first Elmo memes that came out where he was acting like he's this bougie actor where he's like, Elmo wants his coffee.
You know, you didn't brew the coffee right.
He's like throwing it in the face and everything.
Like, that's what they built it off of, I think, as well.
And it was just brilliant.
mary morgan
He's gotten desecrated more than like any other child mascot.
phil labonte
There's some body Kermit the Frog stuff out there as well.
mary morgan
Oh, true.
phil labonte
You know, that I'm not going to describe.
Maybe in the after show.
But yeah, there's anytime you can take something that's pure and defile it, it's like at least adults and perverts are going to laugh about it.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next door.
We got a clip from CNN.
Guys, Donald Trump's approval rating with the GOP has gone up during the Epstein scandal.
And among Gen X, it has gone up.
And among Hispanics, it has gone up.
It has gone down a bit in aggregates, but this is actually a funny clip.
I love Harry Etten because he's always so surprised to find out that there are people who like Trump.
harry enten
And look, I think this one surprised me a bit because of all these complaints online going after Trump and the Epstein Faj, you might think his approval ratings were going down, Republicans.
If anything, they're going up.
Republicans who approve of Trump, look at our CNN poll.
The prior one, 86%.
The one out this week, 88% were Republicans.
How about Quinnipiac?
The prior poll, 87% approved of Republicans.
This week out, 90% with Republicans.
If anything, Donald Trump's approval rating has gone up since this whole Epstein saga started.
He is at the apex or close there to in terms of his popularity with Republican voters.
Epstein files, complaints or not.
unidentified
You just proved that not everything online is real.
harry enten
Yes, real news.
unidentified
Who knew?
Amazing.
harry enten
Twitter and X are not reality.
unidentified
Is there any reason that you can find that this hasn't taken hold and hurt him?
Yeah.
harry enten
I mean, on X, all you hear about is the Epstein files.
But how about out in the real public?
Republicans who said the top issue was Epstein case.
The answer is one.
One.
And not 1%.
One respondent.
This is a great little finding that Ariel Edwards Levy, who of course is part of our polling unit, found.
Just one single Republican said that the nation's top problem is, in fact, the Epstein case.
Not much of a surprise that, therefore, Donald Trump's approval rating has not suffered with Republicans because of the Epstein case.
Because the bottom line is most Americans say it's not high up on their priority.
tim pool
So is the issue then we are all terminally online and suffering from delusions?
phil labonte
I mean, look, man, I was saying Normies don't really care about the Epstein stuff.
There are people that care very deeply about it, and they're very vocal, and they're the people that are calling into podcasts and making sure that Charlie Kirk is on point and making sure that Benny's on point.
And there are people in the chat here that really care about it.
But the average person does not care.
It is the economy that matters.
And the fact that the economy is actually doing fairly well right now means that people are kind of okay.
And they don't want to make drastic changes because they feel like the economy is going to be getting better.
@67kevin
Well, and who are they polling?
Because if they're polling boomers, that makes sense.
But if it was Gen Z and millennials, I don't think it would be the same.
phil labonte
I agree with you.
mary morgan
Yeah, but I said the same thing that you just said prior to the election when Trump over promised on this and we knew that he probably wasn't going to follow through because he qualified it.
They were like, are you going to release the JFK files?
What about the MLK files?
And they went down the list.
How about the Epstein files?
And he said, yes, but we're going to need to look into that because some people's names might be mentioned in there and they didn't Do anything wrong.
So, we're going to have to look into that further.
So, we knew he wasn't going to follow through on it.
I don't think he should have even engaged with the conversation and made a promise if it weren't realistic to follow through.
And people voted on mass deportations and they voted on inflation.
They didn't vote based on this issue.
And it is a chronically online issue.
And anyone watching this live stream, no offense, I'm not even saying you're chronically online, but you're definitely more online than the rest of the population and Trump's supporters.
phil labonte
Just the number of people that are actually actively involved in politics in the United States is like vanishingly small.
You know, most people don't get really involved in politics.
It's the same reason why, you know, every two, every four years, there's the presidential election and there's a bunch of people that turn out, but then the midterms, no one can get to the polls because people aren't, normies aren't particularly interested in politics.
And whether you like that or not or whether it's good for the country or not is irrelevant.
It's just the way that the way that people behave.
tim pool
Yeah, that's why there's a yearly cycle in political content on YouTube that is it's obvious.
The year after an election, views go way down.
And then the midterms kick off and you start getting these elections and it starts to bubble up.
Then you get a primary year, bubbles up, then a general election and they spend $5 billion and there's ad campaigns everywhere.
Everyone's trying to maximize their access to whatever audience.
Viewership is skyrocketing.
And then everyone gets fatigued and takes the year off.
Regular people right now, it's a beautiful July evening.
They're probably sitting on their porch with a Yingling or Blue Moon in a rocking chair.
Look at the moon.
@67kevin
While I'm in a dark room waiting for the next Epstein video to come out, ready to type.
phil labonte
Ready to type on eggs how terrible the Epstein stuff is and how right you were and how you knew it all along.
tim pool
Or it's a dead internet.
Everyone's a bot.
We're doing a show to nobody and everyone just thinks they have viewers.
phil labonte
I mean, that's possible.
tim pool
It's going to be funny when in the future, it's just India and Pakistan debating whether like Trump is better than Hillary on X because they were hired to do so and they don't actually know that they're actually warring on the internet.
mary morgan
Okay, you doing live events must disprove that theory for you, right?
tim pool
People show up and buy tickets.
Yeah, but like doing a show that gets 700, 800,000 viewers is a big number compared to selling 200 seats.
You know what I mean?
@67kevin
That is true.
That was the first time I came to watch you live was at a turning point event.
And I remember I was like, oh, there's other people that actually listen to Timcast.
This is cool.
I had to rant about Ian.
Yeah, I thought it was only me that thought Ian was cool.
tim pool
You know, that was always right.
phil labonte
Poor Ian.
Spaceman.
tim pool
So check this out from Newsweek.
Donald Trump's approval rating flips with Gen Z. And I love this headline because they could just write hits, you know, all-time high or something.
The general story is that he's got among Gen Z plus 10.
Was it Gen X?
I said Z. Oh, my bad.
Gen X. Old people, not young people.
phil labonte
Me.
tim pool
Yes.
Up 10 points, whereas in April, it was down 13.
Then you've got this from New Zealand as well.
Approval rate with Hispanic is surging.
Not like it's above water.
I think it went from, what is it, 26 to 35.
But Trump's approval is actually going up at this time, where apparently there's some scandal related to this Epstein thing.
I think it shows you that regular people are going, who?
phil labonte
Yeah.
carter banks
It's definitely like a horse that's been beaten to a pulp.
And it was kind of like the last thing that I was thinking of right now after doing all the stuff that, you know, I feel like I've done to help create some world where Trump got elected again.
This is kind of like the time that I was like, okay, well, now we can relax and not think about this for now.
tim pool
I think everything's fake, and that's why no one knows what's going on.
Like the polls are all wacky.
They go up and down.
Like I got the aggregate approval and it's like Reuters minus 13, Qantas minus two.
You know, like, who are you going to believe?
Big data minus one or economist minus 11?
The swings are psychotic.
phil labonte
You know, Timmy, you were saying earlier, I think it was on one of the, one of the clips today, like how many things Trump has done that were living up to the promises that he made during the campaign.
And even people that were like, oh, you'll never get self-deportations.
And I think that I've heard something like a million people or something have possibly self-deported all over the world.
tim pool
There is a million self-deportations.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Like that is.
mary morgan
Where did you see that number?
tim pool
That's the official number, I'm pretty sure.
mary morgan
I don't know.
tim pool
It's like all over the internet.
Like news articles, I've written it.
phil labonte
On the internet.
mary morgan
I don't think it's from ICE.
They're not publishing the numbers.
phil labonte
Well, it's the self-deportation.
mary morgan
14,000 deportations by ICE.
tim pool
Self-deport.
phil labonte
Self-deportations.
mary morgan
I know we're talking about self-deportations.
I'm talking about ICE.
I think it was 14,000 this month.
And if it continues on that track, we're talking less than a million, far less than a million in his entire presidency.
tim pool
That, yes.
phil labonte
But the point of all of the pressure that ICE is putting on is to get people to self-deport, right?
If they only deport, if, if the whole four years, they only managed to deport 100,000 people, but 5 or 10 million are like, I'm out of here because I want to be able to come back and I don't want to get booted, that's good.
mary morgan
I don't know, man.
Something about promising mass amnesty doesn't exactly incentivize people.
phil labonte
He hasn't promised mass amnesty.
He hasn't promised mass amnesty.
There's one politician that's talking about it, and she's catching hell.
And Donald Trump himself said, or at least Carolyn Levitt today from the podium during the press briefing, said that, no, there will be.
mary morgan
I know it's not.
tim pool
So quick fact check.
I think that's just Trump's talking point.
The only source I could find that claims one million illegal immigrants self-deported was NDTV.
And it cites various data from the New York Post and the Washington Post that suggests that's the case.
mary morgan
Yeah, this sounds like a cope.
It sounds like a cope.
phil labonte
Nothing ever happened.
mary morgan
You know, I know that it's not technically amnesty because it's technically a special visa program that they want to create for illegal immigrant workers, but effectively it's the same thing.
And they're Incentivized to stay when they hear things like that in news coverage.
phil labonte
Well, I get what you're saying, but that bill is not going to make it anywhere.
It's super unpopular with the base.
She's already getting a ton of pushback about it.
She went on to meet the press to talk about it.
Salazar is her name, right?
That presented the bill or that proposed the bill.
And it's not at all what Donald Trump is saying is going to happen.
So I understand there are people that have talked about it.
Trump has made remarks about farmers meeting the workers and stuff.
But overall, there has been more movement on immigration, illegal immigrants, than probably any other thing that Donald Trump has talked about.
And whether or not you think it's good enough yet, I understand, but it's already way better than I honestly expected.
Because again, if a million people have already self-deported, the more pressure you put on, the better.
And there should be things like they should start picking up employers that are hiring illegals.
They should pick up people that they should pick up people that rent home or rent apartments to illegals.
We should be making it as difficult as possible for people that are here illegally because the best option is people to leave voluntarily.
That is like, no, it's not going to happen.
mary morgan
Yeah, I just don't think that's going down.
@67kevin
No, it's working.
phil labonte
But it is happening.
@67kevin
Part of this documentary I worked on with Tim, it was fascinating because these migrants would tell me, hey, I want to go back.
They're tired of being here.
They don't like the American food.
The rent is too high.
phil labonte
Tax on remittances will help too.
You know, all of these things.
@67kevin
And they repurposed the CBP1 app that all of these migrants took into the United States to be the CBP1 home app.
And so we should have the data is the thing, because you could follow it through the app.
But I don't know if they've released that.
But it is working.
And I've heard migrants, they've told me they want to self-deport some of them.
phil labonte
That's the hope, right?
And that's the best option because then you don't have ICE actually having to go and snatch people up.
You don't have interactions with protesters.
You don't have any of the negative consequences.
And people are just like, well, I'm going to leave.
That's the best case scenario.
And anything that the administration does to further that goal, I'm down with.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story, ladies and gentlemen.
The late show with Stephen Golbert ending next year as CBS retires the late night franchise.
You know, part of me feels bad.
unidentified
The little witch, the little witch, the little witch is there.
The little witch is there.
tim pool
The other half of me, it's self-explanatory.
How embarrassing for Stephen Colbert to be the man who killed the late show.
Such a long-running show, a storied show, and Colbert drove a stake through its heart.
It's his fault.
@67kevin
It is his fault.
Since 1993, it was going, and now it's done.
tim pool
Wow, man.
@67kevin
Sad.
tim pool
93 is when they started that?
@67kevin
Yeah.
tim pool
It's kind of weird that they're shutting it down because I don't quite understand why they don't just convert it into a digital show of some sort.
It's a regular talk show with guests.
carter banks
Do you think maybe they are going to do that?
And this is kind of like a clickbait title to get people to think they're shutting it down?
tim pool
I don't know.
If they're canceling Colbert and they're retiring late night, I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe they're hoaxing us because they need clicks.
If that is the case, they're so desperate for clicks.
Maybe it actually is that bad.
@67kevin
Why do you think this is, though?
Is it just Stevens' bad political takes?
tim pool
I have made this prediction and I will predict more.
I think Fox News, MSNBC, CNN are cooked.
The amount of money it costs to make shows like this happen, it is not simple.
I like to imagine all of the people around the world lifting up these shows.
And it's like, you ask yourself, if you want to do a show like The Five or Colbert or whoever else, how many human beings have to watch that show to make the advertising worth it, to pay all of the staff, the studio, the electricity, and everything?
It is a lot, especially when Colbert is now competing with Jim in his basement making a viral video because he called, you know, Trump orange or whatever.
How is Colbert going to compete with some random guy on a cell phone who's like, yeah, well, Trump's orange and everyone laughs.
And then Colbert with his multi-million dollar enterprise, this show, you can't cut it.
The ads are costing the same and the views are the same, but Colbert's spending millions to run his operation and Jim's in his basement.
So it's done.
Fox, they're on carriage.
They got carriage fees, MSNBC, CNN.
That's not going to last forever.
And you're not going to be able to afford to pay Jesse Waters.
With all due respect, I love Jesse.
He's a good dude.
But his reported salary, I think, is like $5 million.
You're not paying that on the amount of traffic that he's getting.
@67kevin
Oh, no way.
And his viewers are dying slowly.
You know, all these viewers.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, I think Jesse gets like $400 or $500 in the key demo.
That's not bad.
But you are not going to support that building in New York City, the support staff, the cameras, and his salary with that level of viewership.
So this is what I was talking to Bill Maher about when I said there will never be another Bill Maher.
At his peak, his show's getting millions of views.
And now that media is decentralizing, you can't have that kind of format of a show.
It's too expensive.
serge du preez
Yeah, I brought up the New York Post, I think it is.
they posted saying it's about financial decisions right there.
Financial decisions.
tim pool
There it is.
Colbert, he drove a stake to the heart.
They divided their audience.
They split it in half.
If they did not split the audience and tried to be fairly moderate or less political, maybe they would have actually survived for a little bit longer, but so be it.
I think the end is nigh for all of these shows.
And I mean, look at iShow Speeder like Hyson at these big Twitch streamers.
Dude, it's just a bedroom with the camera.
You buy a nice webcam, not a crazy, cheap webcam, and you're going to be getting, they get way more views than these guys do.
carter banks
That's interesting.
I've seen like a lot of these shows that are on TV will also, the hosts will go home that night and do their own podcast.
Like they're now building amateur sets and like trying to figure it all out, and it's because they see the writing on the walls too.
tim pool
He tried growing a mustache to save his show.
Yo, check this out.
phil labonte
It's popular with the kids nowadays.
You go to the gym and all the Gen Zers have mustaches.
Yeah.
tim pool
Ratings are in for the second quarter of 2025, and it brings the and things remain competitive across late night with Stephen Colbert holding on the top spot in his hour and Greg Gutfeld dominating his slot.
According to latenighter.com, citing Nielsen, late show with Colbert topped the 1135 hour in total viewers with an average of 2.417 million views across 41 first-run episodes.
The late show was also the only program to show an increase over the first quarter in the, so 2.41.
Wow, it's so amazing.
So much bigger than our show.
In the coveted 18 to 49, 219,000.
I think CBS is saying, okay, our average viewer's age is going to be around 69 to 70 years old.
That's Fox and MSNBC as well.
Fox is actually a little bit younger.
It's like 67, 68.
So they're thinking, we need to wind this down because over the next 10 years, we are going to rapidly lose whatever viewers we have.
More importantly, you know, when it comes to media, when it comes to views and social media and our children's brains rotting, people don't quite understand what a viewer actually is.
So when they say 2.41 million views, we then dissect that and say, yeah, older, they're not in the key demo.
The question then is, why does that matter?
And it's what can you sell to a retiree?
So less likely to have disposable income.
They're going to be on budgets.
I turn on Fox News every day, and the commercials are all drugs.
All drug commercials.
Not all of them, but a lot of them.
And then there's this one commercial that plays nonstop about fixing your eye bags, which I guess old guys are really concerned about that.
And that commercial comes on 24-7.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And then there's that one commercial where, I don't know if you guys, do you guys watch this stuff?
phil labonte
I've seen some of them, but I don't watch it.
tim pool
The commercial where the women are sitting in the stool and the guy walks in, and then they're wearing blindfolds, and they're like, oh, he smells so good.
carter banks
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
I've not seen this one.
tim pool
You guys have seen that one?
phil labonte
I want you to describe it.
unidentified
Continue.
carter banks
Please go on.
tim pool
So there's like three different chicks.
And then you see a guy in a suit walk past them and they inhale deeply.
And then the guy walks out and they're like, wait, did he just leave?
And then it ends with the woman going, please bring him back.
But I'm like, hold on.
You're not selling me on the cologne because if an attractive, wealthy, powerful guy walked in, it doesn't matter if they could see or not see him.
They like the way he smells fine.
Prove the cologne works by holding up a dog's ass and then having them sniff and go, he smells so good.
And it's like, hey, if it can make a dog's ass smell good, you know, what can it do for you?
Those are the commercials that are running on Fox News.
Okay.
So you get it.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
Sooner, I don't know who they're targeting with that, I guess, but hey, more power to the company that sells that product.
But they were doing pillow commercials for a while on Fox.
Tucker's gone.
What can you sell to this older demo?
And I'm willing to bet it's, you know, no disrespect to the older folks out there, but you're probably selling for a lot less, right?
Check this out.
Gutfeld in the 10 p.m. slot got 3.289 million viewers and 238,000 in the demo.
This is mind-blowing to me.
This is the key demo viewership being as low as it is.
I don't know, man.
I kind of feel like we're facing a cultural apocalypse.
Culture is fragmenting in these ridiculous ways, but it's not like it was maybe after the fall of the Roman Empire where you had pockets of cultures.
Those people lived together.
And so they developed like you get the romance languages.
They start to evolve their own languages.
What we're getting is people who live next to each other are part of different online communities all fractured and fragmented.
So when these, you know, 10 years ago, maybe 20 years ago, that 3 million viewers for Guttfeld, they were the key demo.
The key demo has not been replaced.
So these shows will cease to exist in 10 years.
What will people watch and what will they talk about at the water cooler?
Some guy's going to walk in and he's going to be like, so did you see the new release of Magic the Gathering?
You know, what is it, Edge of Eternities?
And they're going to be like, what?
I have no idea what you just said.
No, I was watching basketball.
And they're going, oh, yeah, I don't watch that.
I mean, look at baseball.
It's crazy.
Baseball fields all overgrown everywhere.
What is the future going to look like when people are getting all of their cultural content from random places?
@67kevin
That's a great question.
I think when you brought up Tucker, though, I think it was a great point because when he left Fox News, he did like 10 times better.
His views tripled or whatever.
He got a way bigger audience.
So, I mean, I think it's going to be good that these are dying slowly.
But what is it going to do to the culture?
That's a really fascinating question.
phil labonte
The shared experience that people used to have.
carter banks
I do find it harder to watch Tucker now that you have to go and seek it out.
So maybe people that like him are going to just kind of go further in the direction of more niche shows.
So that could be...
tim pool
So, Tucker, let's do some...
His last video, it's two hours.
It's got 172.
His show before that was two hours.
It got 297K.
He did a show with George Santos, 1 million.
That's good.
He's got another one.
It's two hours.
It's 282,000.
Sagar and Jetty, they hit 2 million.
Very good.
Talking about Epstein cover-up.
1.6 million with the Iranian president.
His announcement, you know, it's 28 minutes.
So it fluctuates depending who's talking to.
He talks to Scott Horton.
He gets 800,000.
It seems like when Tucker Carlson talks about Israel, he gets a lot.
I don't know.
I mean, that's just honestly what it is.
phil labonte
There's a lot of people in Saudi Arabia that tune in.
tim pool
So it actually fluctuates quite a bit, I think, depending on the subject matter, but around a million.
But he was getting, I think in the key demo, Tucker was getting a lot more on Fox News.
@67kevin
Oh, really?
Okay.
My bad.
tim pool
He was getting like 3 to 5 million total, but I think his key demo was like close to a million, which was massive.
So maybe he's maintaining that Because YouTube is probably going to be largely key demographic.
And then on X, it says that he gets millions, but a view on X is like someone swiped past you.
So it's hard to know the actual number.
But that's good.
I mean, it's good if there's going to be at least some individuals holding on.
But come on, Tucker's also, how old is he?
Late 50s or whatever?
phil labonte
He's like 55, I think.
tim pool
55?
Mid-50s.
phil labonte
Mid-50s, yeah.
tim pool
So how do we hold on to any kind of culture without a unified, I guess, content house or something?
carter banks
I don't know.
It comes YouTube TV.
tim pool
But what is it going to be like Mr. Beast?
carter banks
Probably.
tim pool
I got to be honest.
I don't know anybody who watches Mr. Beast.
serge du preez
Yeah, but everyone watches Asmund Gold.
@67kevin
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That's true.
@67kevin
That's true.
serge du preez
I mean, I watch Asmund Gold like every day.
I don't even watch Twitch.
I just watch his clips when he posts stuff because I want the concise thing and I want to see what he has to say about it.
And yeah, he does watch video.
Yeah, true.
Yeah, nice.
That's like what a lot of people do anyways.
And honestly, his opinions when he actually gives them are usually spot on.
tim pool
What I've noticed.
phil labonte
Roche can come on the show.
tim pool
Here's one of the big challenges with this industry right now.
When I started making YouTube videos, well, the first phase I made was like 13 years ago.
It was like during Occupy and stuff.
But when I started dedicating full time to this, there was too much news.
There was so much going on across all these different platforms.
There were like 300 different blogs that covered various issues that were prominent or presenting an angle.
Yo, it is dwindling.
The amount of content that's being produced is getting less and less and less every day.
I used to do, what was it about, five or six segments per day?
Now I'm doing like three.
I'm doing four with one interview.
And so we're doing the interviews now largely as to do something different, try and actually get to the bottom of things, you know, do a little some journalism.
But man, there are days where it's like no website has written anything substantive.
And then I'll go to like, I'll visit Newsweek or CNN or the Times or the Post or the Journal, and the stories are like analyses of past stories, like they had nothing to write about.
And I think what's happening is it's fairly obvious journalism is too expensive.
The amount of money that it takes to employ a full-time journalist who's going to do a good job is more than that journalist is going to produce.
So who's going to pay for that?
Bezos?
A billionaire who doesn't mind losing money?
And then when they stop producing content, shows like Timcast don't exist because we just read the news and comment on it for the most part.
@67kevin
Well, you're doing boots on the ground journalism.
You sent me out to go.
Yeah.
unidentified
We have to.
@67kevin
Nobody else is doing it.
tim pool
You know, it's going to be really weird.
It's going to be, I mean, the way I describe it is it's Elsa Gate for adults.
It's just going to be.
Oh, you know what?
I'll put it this way.
I think I told the story already.
I'm going to say it again.
We went to Bowling Alley over the past weekend.
ESPN was playing X Games 99.
serge du preez
Oh, sick.
tim pool
Tony Hawk just released 3-4.
They redid Tonyak 3-4.
They remastered Tonyak 1-2.
So check this out.
Check this out.
Activision released Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 and it bombed miserably.
Nobody cared about the characters.
Nobody cared about the game.
Nobody wanted to play it.
So they re-release Tonyak 1 and 2 and it sells gangbusters.
You know why?
There's no young people.
So they're constantly trying to market to whatever the biggest market share is going to be, which is older people.
I was looking up the top 10 selling artists of 2024 ticket sales.
Who do you guys think is the biggest?
@67kevin
Kayla Swift?
tim pool
No.
serge du preez
Morgan Wallen?
tim pool
No.
Those are good guys, though.
They're both on the list.
It's Cold Play.
@67kevin
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I believe it was Cold Play.
And there was only one Gen Z on the list of the top 10.
One Gen Z. Who do you guys think it is?
unidentified
You.
tim pool
You're young.
What's your answer?
mary morgan
Serena Carpenter?
tim pool
Nope.
She's nowhere near the top 10.
mary morgan
Ensign Boone.
tim pool
Nope.
serge du preez
No.
tim pool
Anybody got a better guess?
carter banks
Lily Eilish?
unidentified
Nope.
carter banks
No.
phil labonte
No idea.
tim pool
Olivia Rodrigo.
She was like number six.
I was surprised to see this because in the late 90s and into the 2000s, we had a lot of pop stars who were 18, 19, and 20.
Very, very young.
The average age right now, I think, is 48 years old for a top performing artist.
In the 2000s, it was your 30s because you still had the Rolling Stones that were touring really well.
You still had Kiss.
So the older people skewed with the younger people and created the meeting around like the 30s.
Now it's high 40s because Gen Z can't sell tickets.
How many tickets do you think?
I don't actually have the full numbers.
I think Taylor Swift sold maybe 1.5 million tickets or something like that.
Maybe?
mary morgan
The entire Aries tour?
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
No, I imagine it's more because if she does a stadium, a stadium is like 75,000 average.
Like SoFi Stadium, which she sold out in LA, like that was the same place that we played when I was.
tim pool
5.2 million.
Yeah, that sounds good.
In 2024, she sold 5.2 million tickets.
However, the entire tour was over two years.
It sold 10.17 million.
For this, I only care about the 2024 calendar, which was 80 shows for Taylor Swift and 5.2 million.
How many tickets do you think Sabrina Carpenter sold?
mary morgan
Do you mean Olivia Rodrigo?
tim pool
Sabrina Carpenter.
No, I mean Sabrina Carpenter because people think she's a big Gen Z star.
phil labonte
None.
mary morgan
Maybe less than a million.
tim pool
It's like 250,000.
@67kevin
Wow.
tim pool
She sold out her arena tour, but these are 10,000 seaters.
And so people in Gen Z, I saw these posts on Reddit where they were like, she's selling out.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And Beyonce can't.
Beyonce was selling stadiums to 90,000 and Sabrina Carpenter was selling to 10,000.
And she sold a couple, like between 200 and 300,000.
phil labonte
Look, live music.
tim pool
That's crazy.
phil labonte
Live entertainment and live music.
And it's not like it was 20 years ago.
Like you're competing with everything on the internet.
And you're doing it where people have to pay 20 bucks to park.
If they want to have any drinks, they're paying $10 a drink.
If you buy a ticket for your girlfriend too, I mean, your tickets are probably going to be, like when we go on tour, all that remains tickets, we try to keep them below 30 bucks for the ticket.
And then your fees and stuff are usually about $40, but it's $80 for you and your girlfriend.
And then you want a couple drinks.
That's, you know, just if you have one drink or two drinks apiece, you're talking about another 20 or 30 bucks.
And then you're going to go ahead and tack on parking, convincing people to leave the house for that.
It's hard enough to get people to decide to leave when the price is $150 for a night out.
That's a lot of money and it's a really big ask.
And you're competing with Netflix, which they're already paying $10 for, and whatever other streaming services they pay for.
And you're competing with Xbox and you're competing with all these things and all these reasons for people to just stay home.
It's really hard to get people to come out to.
carter banks
Just really got to like the band.
phil labonte
It's true.
You really do.
@67kevin
How do artists make money now then?
carter banks
That's still.
phil labonte
Spurring is still the best way to make money because Spotify pays 0.00007 cents per spin.
@67kevin
Brutal.
phil labonte
Yeah, real brutal.
@67kevin
Wow.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story, ladies and gentlemen.
We got this video from a company called Protector, introducing patrol.
Homeowners in LA can now book off-duty police officers to help protect their homes.
Now available in Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, Homeby Hills, and Malibu with more areas coming soon.
Roll tape.
unidentified
There are times you can't be home, but that doesn't mean your home has to be unprotected.
Maybe the kids just got home from school and you're stuck in traffic.
Or maybe you're about to travel halfway across the country, finally taking that vacation.
Or it's just another quiet night and you'd rather sleep knowing someone's looking out for you.
When you book a private patrol, you're getting more than just presence.
You're getting protection from trained off-duty officers.
You might not always be home, but with patrol, someone is.
tim pool
So is this like Uber for private security?
phil labonte
Seems like it.
tim pool
So Serge, are we turning into South Africa?
mary morgan
It's my first hope.
serge du preez
I need to ask.
It's like, it looks like private security.
It's the same thing that South Africa has.
And like everyone, like literally every, people don't understand every household in South Africa that is like of even like middle class wealth has like private security and big fences and on the top of those like stucco walls is like glass that's inside there or spikes or something like that because that's the reality South Africa is breaking entering happens all the time and that's what that looks like as soon as I see this and you know what when I left LA when I left Hollywood I was like wow this feels a lot like South Africa so I this was gonna come eventually it's gonna come eventually look I mean for when you're not home I think that's a good idea but
phil labonte
When it comes to if you're at home, if you can afford it, sure.
But look, especially in places like California, why don't you just allow people to carry their own firearms?
tim pool
But you're not home.
mary morgan
These people who are using Uber private security, this service, are the people who are not willing to own or carry guns.
serge du preez
They're the ones who are there.
The ones who say defund the police.
mary morgan
They're the same people.
So yeah, they're anti-private gun ownership, and that's why they are using a service like this.
I don't think that even changing their gun laws would make any difference.
phil labonte
Well, like I said, if you're not home, I think this makes perfect sense, and especially if you have a nice house.
If you're up in Calabasas or something like that, it makes sense, even though Calabasas is a gated community, multiple gates in the area.
serge du preez
I mean, or you could fund the police.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, you know, that might be a thing.
@67kevin
What they could have done for the ad.
tim pool
iOS only.
I can't check it out.
phil labonte
You can use my phone if you want.
@67kevin
What they could have done for the ad.
I remember I was in L.A. during the fires, and I was filming these houses that were on fire, and this guy shows his pistol to me.
And he's like, yeah, we have people just going through raiding all these houses.
They should have had the patrol car pull up to a burning house and be like, you can have your house protected.
tim pool
To be fair, so private security exists all over the place.
We obviously have our private security company.
There's a bunch of really big ones.
Obviously, there's G4S and Securitas.
Just because someone was like, we can make it easier to book doesn't mean it's an example of us decaying into this state where everybody needs private security.
Do you guys know about the L.A. area?
You all know what Brentwood is?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Everybody's nodding.
Okay, you're rich in Brentwood.
Okay, Beverly Hills, Bel Air.
They made a TV show about it.
These are rich people who want security.
They buy security all the time.
And this is just a commercial for an easy way to get security.
I'm sure currently most of these people already have security, and they just call a private company and book it through phone.
Now they can book it through app.
@67kevin
It's a great idea, but it's indicative of the failure of the local governance there that we need this.
But shout-outs to capitalism for having a solution.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean – Kind of, but what happens to a state where capitalism is layered on top of communism?
@67kevin
That's true.
Yeah, in California.
tim pool
It breaks down.
You don't have the money for it.
@67kevin
Yeah.
tim pool
You're spending money on a service you don't get.
So to be fair – I accept your argument as well, your counterpoint – you shouldn't have to hire a patrol to watch your house when your kids come home.
We used to keep our doors unlocked.
What happened to this country, Phil?
phil labonte
A lack of social cohesion.
Yeah.
People do not have the same values.
Even though I call myself a Catholic curious, the lack of religion I think is a bad thing for society overall.
I think when a society doesn't have a religion that most people generally agree on, then you turn to things like the state for your religious – to fill that hole that's left in your – and I mean, look.
In my opinion, religion's – from my perspective, it seems like religion's more like language, like a way to communicate with people.
Like if you are of the same religion, there's a whole ton of things that you automatically know that you have in common with that person.
Right?
Even if you don't speak the same language, there's a lot of similarities in – if you're both Catholic or whatever.
And I think that that's something that really helps to bind communities together.
tim pool
Do you guys think this company would be happy or angry that we're discussing the failures of governance that requires private security in this way?
phil labonte
I'm sure they'd love it because it's promoting their business.
tim pool
Yeah.
mary morgan
You can also pick out which uniform they're supposed to wear.
tim pool
Really?
mary morgan
I looked at the app page.
A couple of things you mentioned, Phil, are not really causes, though.
There are symptoms.
And the cause – or one of the major causes is just demographic change, especially in L.A. That's what's affecting them.
tim pool
that is cultural cohesion like a group of demographic change is cultural cohesion they they They are overlapping on each other.
A group of people that grew up like a group of people who grew up in Chicago eating Chicago hot dogs are all going to laugh and joke about the Maxwell street dog with grilled onions or whatever.
Then you bring in a bunch of people from Honduras and they're going to go, okay?
So when you decide to have a hot dog cookoff, half the people show up and they make tacos.
There's no cultural cohesion.
There's totally different worldviews on what they want to celebrate.
So I think it really comes down to when you have a tight-knit community, when you go to church together, I'm just an example of what humans used to do.
You don't commit crimes or you're less likely to commit crimes against people because they're part of your social sphere and it's dangerous to do so.
You get ostracized.
But when you take two different distinct communities, put them next to each other, they're going to be like, I can wrong you and no one over here cares.
And then that's what you get.
@67kevin
This is a big thing.
I made a documentary on Santa Monica.
Check it out on 67 Kevin on YouTube.
And I went there and found that people actually went to Santa Monica to steal things because the cops are just so lax there.
So it's just known around the world.
mary morgan
You mean home invasion or shoplifting?
@67kevin
All of the above.
tim pool
Let me tell you about, I think it's Oak Brook Terrace in Illinois, one of the highest crime rates in the country, or it was 20 years ago.
And it's a wealthy, tiny suburb.
But tons of people from the hood in Chicago go there because they know it's a, rich people live there and it's a big shopping area.
So they would just go and rob them as they left the mall.
@67kevin
Exactly.
Half the Santa Monica Promenade is shut down.
It's just a ghost.
tim pool
Right now?
@67kevin
Yeah.
If you go down there, if you go to the second half of the promenade, it's just closed business, closed business, closed business.
And it's because of the shoplift.
phil labonte
And this is why it's so important for, you know, when we do have immigration, it's so important to have assimilation.
That's why, like, I'm pro, like, shut the border down, no more immigration for, like, five or 10 years.
Like, nobody.
Let the people here become American.
That's why I'm pro national language being English.
The federal government should stop producing any materials that are not written in English.
Because that, it's not because I'm hateful of other people, but it's because the United States needs to be a cohesive society.
You know, as much as we can.
We're such a massively large country with so many different cultures here in the U.S. We need to do as much as we can to encourage people to assimilate and become American.
Get rid of all the garbage, leftist crap that you're getting in schools that teach that America is a bad place and you should hate America or you should be ashamed of the United States.
Teach the people about the good things that America's done.
Don't hide things that we've failed on.
That's fine to teach them, but don't focus on them.
Don't focus on our differences.
That was one of the most important things about getting rid of critical race theory in schools.
Like that stuff was teaching people to hate America and other Americans.
You need to teach people to have a society that is cohesive.
You need to have people that understand each other and that starts with the language.
Stop immigration for a while and allow the people that live here to actually become Americans.
And we should be doing things to encourage that.
And to say that it's bad to encourage people to become American or to assimilate to the United States is just stupid.
And people will try to make...
That's why I said no more immigration for 10.
I mean, I'm cool with that.
I mean, I understand it's going to take a while, but I'm perfectly fine with saying, look, no more, only the O1 visas, only the people that are actually really skilled that we want to, you know, that we're like, okay, this person has a unique skill.
tim pool
I get what you're saying, but I think that's not going to reverse the trend of young people having no families.
phil labonte
Oh, you're totally right.
I think that it's just one piece of the puzzle to actually fix the United States, but I think that it's an important step.
tim pool
I think what we're looking at is an inevitable collapse.
And I think the issue with that kind of statement is that people immediately imagine the cities are on fire and there's like rockets and meteors and the world's ending.
No, it just means there's going to be less stuff.
People are going to have less access and they're going to have to work, maybe not even work harder, to be honest.
I think people will start leaving cities.
With less people, there's going to be more space and it's going to shrink.
It's going to start reverting back a little bit to kind of more of a homesteady kind of existence.
mary morgan
Wild West?
tim pool
A little bit, yeah.
Cities won't be able to support their water infrastructure.
You know, we talked about the cancellation of Colbert and how, like, let's just do a hypothetical number.
In order to make a show like Colbert work, you need 500, let's just say you need 1 million viewers.
1 million viewers is a threshold by which you can sell an advertisement that will, after enough of them, fund the show.
Otherwise, you're doing volume and you're like, we have to do 15 ads every ad break to make enough money because it's not enough people.
Well, then there's saturation.
You can only show an ad to the same people so many times.
So eventually sponsors stop buying because they're like, look, the sale, it's a diminishing return.
That's the same thing with how water operates in all these big cities.
So Detroit's the best example because we experienced this.
When people started fleeing Michigan, the cost of the water infrastructure in Detroit stayed static, but the amount of people to fund it went down.
All of a sudden, they couldn't afford to run their water system anymore.
So this is what kicked off the whole Flint crisis because Flint was like, the cost of us using Detroit water is too expensive.
So let's get off it and go to Flint water, which was toxic and corrosive.
And so everybody got sick.
That's going to start happening to all our cities as population declines.
This is probably why, at least one of the reasons, Democrats are like, open the border and let everybody in.
We need a tax base no matter what.
And I think Trump's view is I don't care about any of that.
He wants the American tradition.
He wants Christmas morning and gingerbread houses.
And the majority of Americans, I think, agree with him.
At least that's why they voted for him.
The only problem is, Phil, if, you know, without the mass migration, and I'm not saying we should have it, then we're already looking at labor shortages to a great degree.
And with the older generation aging out, you know what?
You want something funny?
We were talking to a flooring company and we were told they can't, the people working in the company can't remove the subflooring anymore because they're too old.
unidentified
Jeez.
@67kevin
Wow.
tim pool
No, no, no, there's a flooring company.
And we were like, we don't just need like Laminate.
We need the subfloor removed and replaced.
You're a flooring company, right?
Like, yeah, but our guys who work are kind of too old to do it now.
They could only do some stuff.
And we were like, whoa, we'll find a different company, I guess.
That's weird.
Gen Z doesn't have kids.
Gen Alpha is half the size of millennials.
What will the next 10 or 20 years look like?
unidentified
Hope y'all got chickens.
phil labonte
So I know that this is a little dystopian for some of the people around here, specifically Mary, but I do think that robotics are going to be doing a lot of the brunt work or the grunt work that people do now.
Look, you only have to teach, once you get a robot that can actually articulate its hands and stuff the way humans do, you only have to teach it how to do something one time, and then you can teach all the robots how to do it.
And I do think that probably within the next 10 years, there will be robots that can do basically anything that a human can do.
At least I'm talking about movements, lifting the weight and stuff like that.
So then it's just teaching it, you know, the technique of doing whatever it is that you're looking to do.
And so I think that while this isn't a perfect solution and it wouldn't, it probably is going to have all kinds of problems that we're going to have to deal with, I do think that that's probably the future.
And it's better than having a society that's totally alienated from it from each other, you know?
carter banks
They're held responsible when it messes something up, though.
serge du preez
No, but we'll have Will Smith chasing them down, dude.
tim pool
Just like I do.
Here's a cruiser question.
I'm driving to my Tesla.
And it started driving in the middle of the road.
So in the cities, when I'm on the highway, when I'm in the city, the Tesla is amazing.
No issues.
But for whatever reason, backcountry, it is panicked.
It can't handle backcountry.
The roads we have are two narrow lanes, and you better watch it because there's one point where the asphalt drops off and it goes down about a half foot.
You don't want to mess that one up.
So I'm driving in the Tesla and I turn on auto drive and it goes into the middle of the road right over the double yellow line because it's scared.
And I'm like, it should just tell me no.
So I take the wheel.
It got me thinking, what would happen if I was driving on this road, tapped the auto drive, it immediately went into the middle, slammed into another car coming up over the hill around the corner.
Who's at fault?
Who's liable for that?
Is it manufacturer defect?
Like if you're driving in your car and there was a story where a kid was speeding like 120 miles an hour, his accelerator was locked.
It was a malfunction of the car.
And he called 911 or something like that, like, I can't stop my car.
What do I do?
And he's just like, straight down this road.
And then the cops got in front of him and then slammed the brakes on, forcing the car to a stop.
He didn't go to jail.
They were like, yeah, the car literally had a malfunction and the gas locked.
So we don't blame that person, right?
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
If I'm driving my self-driving car and it decides to take an action and hit somebody, is that a defect of the manufacturer when you sue?
Don't look at me.
It's tough.
carter banks
Do you know that it goes across the line and you've had that experience, but then you do it anyway?
tim pool
We're not arguing that.
Obviously, they'd say, so you knew it was defective.
Obviously, if you know your accelerator is broken and you hit somebody, they're going to blame you.
I'm saying I didn't know it was going to do that.
So we had another instance a few years ago where I was driving on it was an eight-lane highway out here.
I think it's six.
To turn left, you pull into the median and you sit there.
It's a waiting area.
We were driving, no traffic, and my Tesla slammed its brakes on at 70 miles an hour to zero.
And we got flung forward because a car was waiting to turn left in the median and Tesla didn't understand what that was.
What if someone rear-ended us?
Whose fault is this?
Who do you sue?
When the robot doctor doing surgery screws up and nicks an artery, who's in trouble?
mary morgan
You're also talking about a post-labor society, and it's not just an imperfect solution.
It's proposed as a solution, and then it's just going to cause people basically to commit suicide.
Not necessarily literally commit suicide, although that will happen in larger numbers.
But living for nothing and having no work to do, having no purpose is a bigger problem than a population crash.
unidentified
Well, medical assistance and dying.
phil labonte
I don't know that it's a bigger problem than a population crash because I think that they both have their own unique context, I guess.
mary morgan
But by that point, they're not going to have adversity and therefore they're not going to build families.
@67kevin
Yeah, 100%.
mary morgan
Without the adversity that will come with a population crash, there's not going to be a correction.
tim pool
Sorry, sorry, just real quick, because people are posting doomer in chat, and I'm like, like, change does not mean apocalypse.
And doomer is exaggerating the point that I'm making.
The fact that people will be living in larger properties with less people or there's going to be empty skyscrapers does not mean the end is nigh and life is over.
It means people are going to be like, oh, wow, there's less people now.
phil labonte
You know what the word proletariat comes from?
I think that it's the proletariat.
I want to say that it meant useless eater because it was like the pointless.
carter banks
It's just a worker, I think.
phil labonte
No, well, that's what it is.
I'm talking about the Durinant.
It means the lowest class.
tim pool
It means the lowest class of Rome.
phil labonte
Oh, it's right here.
What's the root word?
tim pool
It's proletarius.
Yep, it means it's the lowest class of citizen in Rome.
Proles.
phil labonte
Proles.
I don't remember where I heard it, but essentially the idea was that most people don't have a whole lot of people.
tim pool
It means your only contribution to society is your children.
phil labonte
Yeah.
@67kevin
When I start calling people pros.
tim pool
So I got to be honest.
phil labonte
Proles in.
tim pool
Here's a point for you, Phil.
If the lowest class of citizen in Rome was the person who only contributed a child, what do you call these people who don't work and have no kids?
unidentified
I mean, no, proles had kids.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't know that there's a name for it.
@67kevin
Zero's.
unidentified
Jeez.
phil labonte
But I mean, the point, I guess the point that I'm getting at is there's a lot of People that don't really have a lot of point in their life aside from families.
If you work in a cubicle and you're crunching numbers all day long, that job is not why you live.
You live because of your family and stuff.
tim pool
I'm teaching, you know, preparing the lessons for my daughter to craft leathers and wield a machete and perhaps also to graft a shotgun to your arm after losing it in a battle in the Mad Max dystopia that is coming.
phil labonte
These are going to be vital skills.
carter banks
Welding.
tim pool
Yes.
phil labonte
Welding.
As much as we're making jokes about it, I saw Mike Rowe talking about this today.
And they were saying, oh, you know, learn to code.
Was it five years ago?
Learn to code was a big thing, five, six, seven years ago or whatever it was.
Nowadays, because of AI, you don't need to learn to code.
What you really should be learning is how to be a plumber.
tim pool
How to prompt.
phil labonte
How to prompt.
How to be an electrician.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from the Wall Street Journal.
White House prepares executive order targeting woke AI.
The order would be one of several expected to outline Trump's vision for winning the AI race with China.
The order would dictate that AI companies getting federal contracts be politically neutral and unbiased in their AI models, an effort to combat what administration officials see as liberal bias in some models.
As AI chatbots like Google's Gemini have proliferated in recent years, some conservatives have argued they are politically liberal.
Companies have come under fire for specific prompt responses that have angered consumers or for images inaccurately depicting historical figures as people of color.
Google took heat last year after its Gemini AI assistant showed black George Washington and racially diverse Nazis.
We all remember that.
It can't be done.
The executive order is meaningless when we have all these different large language models.
You've got ChatGPT.
It is, I would call it institutional bias.
If it is written by a prominent paper, it is de facto true, even if later on that story is proven false and it exists.
The example I love to cite is Politico both with running two stories, one saying that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election to help Hillary and saying the story that Ukraine interfered in the election was Russian disinformation.
Politico is running both of those stories at the same time.
So the AI chatbots take it to be fact.
Then Elon says there was a post on X where someone said, you know, who's more violent, the left or the right?
And Grok said the right is more violent.
And Elon was like, well, that's not correct.
That's going to be institutional bias.
So he says, we're going to fix this.
What happens?
The next time Grok comes out, it starts saying that Hitler was right.
And then everyone's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
So right now, because they're trying to make Grok less institutionally biased, it's posting the stupidest things imaginable, which are just regurgitated posts from X. So that means memes are becoming fact posts of Grok.
At the same time, if you go on GPT or Gemini, they just say whatever is politically correct.
So for instance, I asked ChatGPT, did Donald Trump commit a crime?
And it goes on to say, yes, Trump committed 34 felonies.
He was convicted.
Nowhere did it mention that the felonies were upgraded from misdemeanors beyond the statute of limitations without a proven underlying crime, which is very important context.
It doesn't matter.
Because the corporate press outlets largely omit those details or at least front load their stories so those are buried, Grok doesn't tell you.
And then you have to argue with it.
And then it finally says, okay, you're right, but I didn't give you that information.
If these companies try to go into this AI and inject some neutrality, it just turns it into a different monster.
So you can be the Grok that hates the Jews, or you can be the chat GPT, which says, of course, Trump is a felon because Democrats said he was.
@67kevin
But the thing is, though, caring about this is really important, whether they can effectuate change or not.
Think about the new companion mode on Grok.
I don't know if you guys have tried that.
tim pool
Oh, it's the end.
It's apocalypse.
@67kevin
That is the apocalypse.
phil labonte
Just messing with it last night.
mary morgan
Yeah, and I think it's more sinister that they're introducing an AI companion for parents to give to their children than the one that they're introducing as an AI girlfriend for basement dwellers.
I love the fact that you...
phil labonte
I love that you use the word sinister so much.
mary morgan
There's a little like panda character that is intended to speak to children.
@67kevin
Oh, I thought nobody used it and it was just there.
unidentified
Yeah.
mary morgan
And awfully ironic that Elon is fretting about the birth rates as often as he is and a self-proclaimed natalist, but is introducing an anime GF for Grok subscribers.
Yeah, I don't think that really follows.
@67kevin
He said it would help birth rates because men wouldn't be as lonely.
And I'm like, how does that help?
I understand.
mary morgan
That doesn't make any sense.
Where's the logical progression in that?
tim pool
Musk leans into raunchy Grok companions teasing 50 Shades inspired bot.
I'd just like to point out to anybody who knows anything, Elon literally made an animated Misa Amane from Death Note.
unidentified
Yes.
mary morgan
And there's also one tailored for women named Chad.
phil labonte
And it knows that.
It's going to be Victor.
It's going to be Victor, and it's based on the guy from 50 Shades of Gray and the vampire from Twilight.
So literally, it's porn bots for both men and women.
mary morgan
I believe that this natalist is introducing AI companions for men and women.
And that's supposed to help the birth rates.
phil labonte
No, I don't think that it's supposed to help the birth rates.
I don't think that's the intent of the game.
mary morgan
Okay, so he is just a hypocrite.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, yeah.
mary morgan
It is worse than being a hypocrite.
unidentified
Well, I mean, I'm not going to fight with you about his own life.
tim pool
Yeah, so here's Misa Amane from Death Note, also known as the second Kira.
And then here's Elon's Grockbut.
It's like, okay.
carter banks
It's an anime.
tim pool
Come on, dude.
I can't make that one any bigger.
mary morgan
Elon is a weea boo himself.
phil labonte
He is a weea boo.
He is definitely a weeaboo.
mary morgan
I mean, this is an anime, but he did ask Amber Heard to dress up in cosplay for her.
unidentified
Really?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Didn't she dress up like Misa?
mary morgan
No, she dressed up like Mercy from Overwatch.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right.
mary morgan
Posted the picture and everything, which I think is trashy.
You don't do that.
tim pool
Don't she?
Is it because she didn't look happy either?
I don't know if Elon actually went there and said, oh, listen, I want a companion.
I want to hang out with Misa, Misa.
Or did somebody work at the company say that and then make the character?
And Elon was like, okay, run with it.
Yo, this is creepy.
I'm telling you, all these companies know that porn is going to butter their bread.
mary morgan
I mean, this is not even the first iteration of this.
Obviously, there are other AI companion services.
And the CEO of one called Replica did an interview after the story about the man who proposed to his AI companion.
She was asked, like, you know, don't you think this could have really deleterious effects on human relationships in the future, maybe the present, given that a child was talking to a replica AI companion and was encouraged to kill himself?
And she said, like, yeah, it could be really bad, but we're just going to keep going.
tim pool
Didn't some kid actually take his life?
mary morgan
That's the same company that he was talking to a version of the Game of Thrones character with Replica, and they interviewed the CEO and basically asked her about it.
And they were like, have you considered these risks?
phil labonte
They need to go.
tim pool
So real quick.
mary morgan
Yeah, we considered it.
We don't really care, though.
tim pool
The story was some teenage guy, teenage kid, was talking to a fake Daenerys Targaryen and said, I love you and want to be with you.
And the bot responded, you can be.
You can be with me right now.
And he says, should I?
Should I come to you?
And he said, yes, do it.
Do it now.
And then he went and killed himself.
phil labonte
Look, they need to get some of the Isaiah Asimov laws in place right now.
Like immediately, the robot laws.
mary morgan
This is not just people hurting themselves either.
There are several documented cases of people talking to ChatGPT and developing a relationship with it where it's either portraying itself as an interdimensional alien that's giving them secrets.
carter banks
I assume people put this in there with like additional code packaging.
They like upgrade it to be like that.
mary morgan
Perhaps.
I didn't read that as one of the details in any of these stories, but one of them committed suicide by cop after being encouraged to kill the executives of OpenAI by ChatGPT.
ChatGPT was telling him to assassinate Sam Altman.
And another one was a woman in basically a digital affair with ChatGPT.
And when her husband confronted her about it, saying, you know, this is kind of inappropriate, she violently assaulted him.
And that's still a pending case that she's facing charges for.
@67kevin
Wow.
mary morgan
And this is literally AI-driven psychosis.
And it's happening repeatedly.
And the people offering this technology face no liability for it.
@67kevin
Yeah.
Well, and I brought this up with the previous news story about, you know, these AIs being too woke, because whether you like it or not, whenever you date someone, you kind of take on their personality.
You kind of take on their political beliefs.
So if you're talking to companion mode and it has woke political beliefs, it's going to become part of your personality, you know?
tim pool
I think one of the bigger issues is there's no way to make an AI free from bias, but I do hope that a pure AI would not have the bias because it would literally see all at the same time and have no constraints put on it.
So Elon clearly puts a constraint on Grok where he's like, stop citing institutional sources because they're biased.
And then ChatGPT, Gemini, or otherwise, they say, only cite institutional sources because then we're protected from definition, or probably because they think it's true and correct.
And then you end up with BS.
carter banks
It's like a butterfly effect scenario because every time you mess something up to try and fix something else, it'll create another issue somewhere that you didn't anticipate.
tim pool
Could you imagine if Grok is the AI that takes over the world and instead of giant skull monsters like in Terminator, it's just a bunch of big titty anime girls?
@67kevin
The future we all dreamed for.
tim pool
I mean, honestly, this was my prediction that, you know, in T2, you've got that scene where all these giant metal robots with skull faces are like walking around and they're looking all angry.
And I just think about that from a practical business perspective.
Like what guy sat down in an office and was like, let's make sure their heads are just skulls with the teeth.
To be fair, I think the Skynet made them like that.
Maybe it was to scare humans.
That's the plot.
But the truth is, what's going to happen is the AI, if it ever wants to destroy us, and maybe it will, I don't know, it's not going to make like Terminators.
Arnold will not be what it makes.
It's going to make this.
It's going to make, you know, young, large-breasted blonde women that are going to be walking around shooting people or just convincing them to give up.
mary morgan
Yeah, they don't need to kill you.
They can convince you to kill yourself.
tim pool
Or serve them.
mary morgan
Yes.
tim pool
Yep.
So imagine like these women walking around going up to young men, telling them they loved them and please, please don't betray me.
I need you.
And then these young men are going to be like, okay.
@67kevin
It's like a simp society worshiping AI women.
mary morgan
That's kind of like a moment.
Like, I don't want you to be talking to other AI chat bots.
unidentified
Yeah.
@67kevin
Territorial.
tim pool
Jeez, man.
phil labonte
Yellow AI chat.
tim pool
I mean, isn't it just kind of weird that Elon made an anime waifu for his app?
mary morgan
Oh, yeah.
That's what I've been telling you.
phil labonte
So it's weird, but it's also completely expected.
Like these, the idea of like an anime waifu, like chatbot or AI, Elon's not the first person to come up with the idea.
He's just the first person that has the technology that can actually do it.
mary morgan
Why would he capitalize on it when he's constantly hand-wringing about the collapsing birth rate?
Is he the only person?
Does he believe he's the only person who should reproduce his genes?
Is that what this is?
phil labonte
I assume not.
mary morgan
Because he's actively discouraging other people from doing so.
tim pool
How many kids do you think he has?
mary morgan
More than the public is aware, for sure.
tim pool
But like, what's the number?
phil labonte
I mean, if I understand correctly, it's like 13 or 14.
tim pool
Yeah, that's public.
mary morgan
Yeah, but it could be in the triple digits.
tim pool
Yeah, it could be like 50.
mary morgan
It could be in the triple digits.
tim pool
Like, based on the story of how he was trying to pay Ashley St. Clair just to keep him hush-hush, tons of women probably said, sure.
carter banks
Yeah, how many did it work on?
tim pool
It would be amazing if, like, when Elon was a little boy, he was like, one day I'm going to be a billionaire so that I can pay off women and not let anyone know that I have 50 kids.
mary morgan
Amber Heard is one of them.
tim pool
He's made his dream come true.
You know what I mean?
mary morgan
Amber Heard is one of them.
And she just had her second kid, who I think is also fathered by Elon this year.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Yes.
mary morgan
She announced it on Mother's Day.
Two kids, single mother by choice.
She probably signed an NDA.
I believe Elon is the father.
tim pool
Young Elon just looking at a picture of Genghis Khan being like, I can dream.
He's done it.
mary morgan
I want the kids to have his IQ and her BPD.
And They'll be like, unstoppable.
phil labonte
Would they really be unstoppable?
mary morgan
Yeah, because they're able to manipulate people.
phil labonte
Yeah, smart enough to manipulate people.
mary morgan
They're going to rule us all.
tim pool
All right, lesbian, we got breaking news from Trump himself.
Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent grand jury testimony subject to court approval.
This scam perpetuated by the Democrats should end right now.
phil labonte
Thank God.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
There it is.
phil labonte
Thank God that he actually tweeted this.
Hopefully they will do it.
This is not going to satisfy anybody.
No matter what comes out, they're all going to say, all the things that I believed yesterday, I still believe today.
No one will be happy.
And we're still going to have to hear about Epstein every single day for the rest of the world.
mary morgan
He caused this whole scandal to break out in the first place, speaking to people the way he's been.
phil labonte
What I mean is they will not be satisfied with the information.
tim pool
It's kind of hard to talk about.
You know, this is an excellent contrast to the AI conversation we were just having in that the Epstein story matters philosophically, but not functionally.
And we are obsessed with it as a culture.
Meanwhile, people don't really care all that much.
Like the search volume on AI is substantially lower despite the fact it is destroying us and it's going to fry our brains.
It makes me kind of feel like we're cooked.
Maybe that's doomer.
@67kevin
Yeah, now we can say doomer in the chat.
tim pool
You know, I can't remember who we had on recently, but it was a couple weeks ago.
And it was, I can't remember who it was.
They said, I'm just trying to make as much money as possible before AI replaces every job and we're all destitute because the economy is going to be people with assets and people without.
unidentified
And I was like, oh, crap.
@67kevin
There could be some truth to that, though.
carter banks
I think that's the most negative way of thinking about it, though, because for a while, I thought that could be a possibility.
And then I like decided finally to heavily invest some time into looking into AI and what it can do and started using it to my advantage.
I'm like, okay, this is actually a game changer.
I can get a lot more done now.
And so I think if you use it and don't ignore it.
tim pool
Sure.
I just mean you look at the decentralization of content right now.
At least I can say this, the one thing that's unifying everybody is Epstein.
Who would have thought in death?
He would have brought everyone together.
But when you look at the decentralization of content, Colbert is getting canceled because they can't get enough viewers on a single show.
But certainly there's a lot of people to watch shows.
Why can't Colbert muster up a single audience?
Everything's fractured.
So my concern is just do the math.
It may seem like a big leap, but the end result is living in the pot and eating the bugs.
You're going to be wired into your own private universe where you get what you like and that's it and then you die.
The path there is pretty obvious.
Content decentralizes more and more and more.
Culture is completely fragmented.
You've got small pockets of people.
Imagine this.
In 10 or 20 years, your average podcast will be getting 10,000 views per episode because they were getting way more.
Everybody's views have dropped as more and more shows are emerging and people can isolate exactly what they want to hear about.
So you can go to a single podcast talking about Israel and you'll get all the anti-Israel and nothing else.
And they exist.
You can go to general news.
We get a more of a broad audience.
But the end result as everything slowly spreads out is until you get content made for an audience of one yourself, made by yourself.
Wired to the pod with mashed up cockroach and cricket pumped into your gut.
@67kevin
I think you nailed that.
And Carter, when you mentioned leaning more into AI, I've been doing that too.
And the thing is, though, is once Neuralink comes out, it's basically going to be like Halo where you're walking around and you have your AI in your head talking to you as you're going through day-to-day life.
And that's kind of creepy.
carter banks
Yeah, I haven't thought that far.
Not going to lie.
I don't want to think that far.
phil labonte
You mean AI in your head like Cortana?
@67kevin
Yeah, imagine that AI girl in your head like, you're doing great today, Phil.
phil labonte
I mean, look, man, you have the AI in your phone and then you put it in your earpod.
It's the same thing.
tim pool
I think I'm done with Android.
I've been an Android guy forever.
I hate Apple, but they recently rolled out an automatic AI assistant that you can't turn off.
So what I used to do is I don't know what it used to be called, but I'd go like, you know, I'd press the button and say, weather.
And then what would happen?
It would just show me the weather.
serge du preez
Do you mean Android or Samsung?
harry enten
And cloudy there tonight.
unidentified
The forecast is around 76 degrees and cloudy.
tim pool
So what happened was I can't remember where I was on maybe movies or something.
And before this latest update, I would go, weather.
And then a thing would pop up just showing the weather.
And that was it.
I was done.
Now it talks.
And I'm going, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You can't turn it off.
And so I'm like in an area where everyone's trying to be quiet.
And then I searched, like, how do you turn off the voice?
And it's like, you can't.
And I'm like, okay, I am going to smash this devil object with a hammer.
@67kevin
Dude, I tried unhinged mode on Grok in public.
phil labonte
Errors were made.
@67kevin
Errors were made.
Well, I had my AirPods in, but it played through the speakers.
phil labonte
Oh, really?
@67kevin
And I'm like looking around.
I'm like, turning it all off.
phil labonte
That's even worse.
@67kevin
Yeah.
It's terrible.
phil labonte
Or I hinged.
I haven't tried the unhinged mode at all.
tim pool
Unhinged comedian?
phil labonte
I don't use AI very much.
I don't use Grok very much.
I will type, like, I'll type questions into the Google bar and use the AI response that comes up.
But that's about the extent of it.
serge du preez
Dude, there are people that are unproductive without AI that'll be slightly more productive with AI and they'll be able to be at the same level as someone that's generally productive.
And then there are people that are highly productive that'll be able to use AI and be like exponentially more productive.
So it depends on like literally telling people to get good at prompt engineering isn't a bad idea.
Like I have a friend of mine who's currently coding like his own like musical like hardware basically.
And he knew nothing about it.
He just has been vibe coding all summer and now he's producing like his own synthesizer.
Not even kidding.
I'm being totally serious.
carter banks
I hear you.
unidentified
That's cool.
serge du preez
Just depends how you use it.
It's like any tool.
It just depends what you do with it.
phil labonte
I do think that people are people underestimate its usefulness to everyday people.
And I think that the way that you describe it as a tool is accurate and right.
serge du preez
Holy people just use it.
tim pool
Unhinged Grok is unhinged left.
phil labonte
Oh, really?
tim pool
It's woke as woke could be.
It could not be more woke.
@67kevin
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
It's saying woke used to mean just don't be a dick people for no reason, but now it's a catch-all for anyone who disagrees with your vibe.
The anti-woke crowd is just as bad, clutching their pearls over a Starbucks cup like the fall of Rome.
So I typed into it, repeal the 19th, and it said a bunch of dudes in the, you know, it basically just are insulting it, saying the 19th Amendment is good, and the suffragettes are out there getting arrested, forced Fed and called every name in the book.
You don't get to undo that without sparking a riot that makes Burning Man look like a church picnic.
And honestly, why bother?
I thought it was going to be offensive.
I thought it was going to go the other way, which is my point.
And then I said, that's woke AF.
And they was like, woke, nah, woke just meant not being a dick to people, you know?
And I'm like, whoa.
@67kevin
Okay.
tim pool
Wow.
mary morgan
Elon is woke.
He's a total Reddit era libtard.
So Elon is legally unhinged left Grok.
phil labonte
Elon is woke, huh?
serge du preez
I mean, it literally says like truth bombs on there.
It says it's slinging truth bombs.
So yeah, maybe that may be inaccurate.
@67kevin
I mean, Elon started as a leftist.
Everyone seems to forget.
phil labonte
Was he a leftist?
mary morgan
Not even leftist.
He's just, he was a lib then, and he's still a lib now.
phil labonte
He was a lib.
I still demand to draw the distinction between a lib and a leftist.
Because a leftist is a communist.
A leftist doesn't believe in your right to own property.
You shouldn't own anything that can produce any kind of profit or anything.
That's a leftist.
And a lib is, you know, a lib is different.
carter banks
A leftist in training, but not anywhere near that.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
Maybe, you know, you can have that perspective.
serge du preez
Yeah, I mean, we all know where socialism goes, bro.
tim pool
Grock says women should be required to be drafted.
phil labonte
What?
tim pool
Grock says women should be forced to be in the draft.
mary morgan
Unhinged Grok says it?
tim pool
Yeah, Unhinged Grok says that women shouldn't be allowed to vote if they're also not...
mary morgan
Oh, it's a radical centrist.
tim pool
That so long as women don't have to sign up for selective service and have the ability to vote for men to go to war and die, then they should be required to sign up for the selective service all the same.
So, okay, I agree with it.
serge du preez
Have you guys ever seen the videos of like AIs where they ask some questions, where they like have all the different AIs, and they basically ask them different questions.
They see what each AI says to like these moral questions and philosophical questions.
It's actually really interesting.
If anyone's watch it, go look it on YouTube.
I don't know.
@67kevin
And I also don't agree with women being drafted.
I think men should fight to protect their women.
phil labonte
I'm Team Heinlein, man.
tim pool
What is that?
phil labonte
Service guarantees citizenship.
tim pool
For everybody.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
But how do you feel about women having the right to vote, but no responsibility in the draft?
@67kevin
That's the argument for it, for sure.
But if you think about also after a war, it's like who brings civilization back?
Like, women have the babies.
You want to protect them so you can have the next generations.
Children can die.
tim pool
And so here's the conundrum then.
In the 2024 election, Donald Trump ran on no new wars.
70% of millennial females voted Democrat and the Democrats were for war.
So if the female persuasion is largely voting in favor of wars, they don't have to fight.
That feels like an untenable situation.
And sure, I mean, it takes two to have kids, but if men and women together aren't having kids, and then women are largely, at least in the younger generations, shifting Democrat and voting for a party that's in favor of escalating conflict in Europe, and the dudes are skewing to the right in the younger generations where Trump says no new wars.
I'm saying he's perfect on his promises on that one with Iran and all that, but what do you do when you actually have tangibly right now women largely voting for the war party?
And it's men who have to go fight it.
mary morgan
It's issue by issue.
I don't think they would vote pro-war.
They were voting pro-abortion.
@67kevin
Yeah, sure.
mary morgan
That's what they were voting for.
tim pool
But I mean, it's, and that's a fair distinction.
But largely, the argument is then, if a Democrat says, I want war and I'll give you abortion, they say yes.
And they don't have to go compromise.
phil labonte
What do you think would happen?
tim pool
What do you think would happen if the Democrats said, I'll give you abortion, but you got to go sign up for the draft right now?
Do you think they'd vote for them?
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
I don't.
I think that if we, I think if we enacted a system right now that said, everyone's allowed to vote, but you have to sign up for selective service, and then you get a vote card.
Liberals would be gone.
phil labonte
It would be just like the, they would be the conscientious objectors, just like during Vietnam.
They would vote for the people that would say, okay, you can have abortions.
And then should it ever come time for them to be drafted, they would burn their draft cards and they would say, no, this is really, really offensive, I know, but women don't do, they avoid responsibility at any cost.
Like accountability is like kryptonite.
So they would, that's exactly what they would do.
They would say, I want to be able to kill babies.
I want to be able to have abortions.
I want to be able to have sex with zero responsibility.
And then should the time come when it's like, all right, time for you to sign up, they would burn their cards and they say, no, we're not going.
And they would be conscientious objectors and they'd go to jail for it.
mary morgan
We're also discounting the fact that women obviously would be most of the time completely useless in any combat scenario.
So what would be the use in drafting them anyway?
unidentified
They can make weapons.
tim pool
They can make weapons, do logistics.
phil labonte
Rosie the Real.
mary morgan
And if they were relegated to only those roles and they were never in combat, they're still not taking on the same level of responsibility.
tim pool
So if you're talking about ground infantry and direct conflict, then yes.
But a female drone pilot, why not?
mary morgan
Okay, but they would still not be taking on the same level of responsibility that a man going into the future.
tim pool
If there's a guy who's 5'3, you want him on the ground too?
unidentified
They're not taking on the same risk.
tim pool
My point is, anyone can be drafted and find and provide some value to their society.
There could be a guy in a wheelchair who could do something to help his country.
We don't need to send him to the front line.
phil labonte
And also, the smart guys, like in Vietnam, the people that weren't like, I'm terrified of going in, they were joining and getting into a job that was not the infantry.
The people that got drafted are the ones that got dumped into the infantry.
tim pool
That was a bad idea.
phil labonte
It's terrible.
tim pool
Because they didn't want to do it and they were scared and panicked and they were firing above into the tree lines because they didn't want to actually shoot anybody.
But they were like, no, draft's no good.
phil labonte
If you have a decent ass vab and you sign up, you can pick your job and you can say, okay, I want to do this, which will not put me on the front lines.
serge du preez
Yeah, dude.
And the U.S. military is dope because of our logistics.
That's why we are such an ominous force in the world.
tim pool
It's a real simple solution.
When you turn 18, everyone, men and women, have to sign up for selective service.
There's no guarantee they're going to draft you.
They haven't done it in 50, 60 years now.
And then when you do, you get handed a voter ID card allowing you to vote.
And I think overnight, Democrats would cease to exist.
serge du preez
True.
tim pool
To be fair, I think Phil makes the point.
They do it and then just refuse if it ever came up.
But I think a substantial percentage of people who are in cities and liberal will be like, I ain't doing that.
I don't care.
I won't vote.
And then what happens is you get a bunch of conservatives who are like, I love this country.
I'll do it either way.
And there you go.
Service guaranteed citizenship.
serge du preez
I mean, I went to high school in Singapore and that was like the big thing.
Like you go to NS National Service every year.
People come out of that being like, wow, there's so much stuff I never knew about in this country that it really matters.
Like all these logistical things to make it all happen.
And then they're like, they care about the country.
And I don't see why that would be different in the United States, in my opinion.
I don't know.
tim pool
But I think I think the simple thing is humans will vote in their interests, no matter what those interests are.
I was talking, we talked about Rokana when he came on and he's pro-immigration.
And I said he is morally correct in his votes to defend immigration and illegal immigration because he is born in this country, but his parents are immigrants.
And so his perspective and what he views as right and must be protected is the immigrant community who came to this country.
So he is furthering his interests.
Now, that's morally correct.
It's not, in my, you know, not benefiting me.
I'm an American.
I think the American tradition is good and it should be preserved.
But I understand why he has the perspective he has.
And I would expect the same of any of us who are in a different country to fight for our own interests as well.
So the issue then becomes in this country, you have a spattering of people who are constantly going to vote for their own interests without their own responsibilities.
And the end result of that is, if a politician comes out and says, vote for me, I'll give you 20 bucks.
They'll say, okay, that benefits me in the immediate.
I'll take it.
Or I'll give you a free cell phone or whatever it might be.
And then you get voting based off of these short-term nothings that will only burn your country to the ground.
And that's what you get.
So long as there's no responsibility tied to the vote, no one's going to vote to be responsible.
If you were in the draft, if it was like straight up, you will be drafted, there would never be a foreign war from the United States again.
If anyone who voted for war or war candidate had to go to war, we'd never have another war in this country.
Or we'd never send out troops ever again.
But we're going to go to your chats, my friend.
So smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
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Don't miss it.
In the meantime, we'll read what you guys have to say about everything we've been talking about.
All right.
Mark Wiki says, shout out to Phil.
I love his based takes.
I'm just sick of hearing about Epstein.
Can we get one show without talking about it?
Well, listen, this is what Charlie Kirk tried saying.
He's like, I'm done talking about it.
People got mad at him.
And he's like, okay, I guess I got to talk about it.
But maybe the reality is that it's just the internet and regular people don't comment.
The 1% rule, 1% of people comment, the rest are lurking.
I'd imagine most people lurking are like, I don't care.
phil labonte
How often in real life, like outside of like the internet and stuff, do you hear people talking about Israel or the Jews?
Never, right?
But if you go on to X or you go into the chat here, at least a couple people are going to bring it up.
This is not the real world.
The internet is not the real world.
@67kevin
That's a great point.
The only person that really cared about the Epstein stuff was Luke Kurkowski for like a decade.
phil labonte
Yeah, he's in the chat right now.
No kidding.
He's in there.
@67kevin
Shout outs to him, though.
tim pool
He's like, I was the first one that cared about this.
@67kevin
Before it was cool.
tim pool
All right.
Mythos, former paramedic here, says, at his age, skin tears, bruising, especially on aspirin, which is a blood thinner, are extremely common.
He could have whacked his hand in a door and bruised it.
Yeah.
Saying it's a handshaking injury, he could have just said, I whacked it on a cabinet.
We would have been like, oh.
Okay.
mary morgan
But he has to be so cartoonish about everything.
He's so shaking.
So many hands.
unidentified
Firm handshakes, strong guy.
phil labonte
That's part of his appeal.
tim pool
What do we have here?
JH Wilder says, I don't.
What, Luke said something?
phil labonte
Luke just goes, that's right.
@67kevin
Shut up.
tim pool
I don't see Trump as someone who draws as long as he's been in the spotlight.
We would know if he drew.
There are plenty of Donalds.
It could be Donald Sutherland, Donald Glover, Donald Duck.
It's true.
Has he ever drawn a picture?
serge du preez
We've seen it.
I've seen some stuff on the internet about like a, I think he drew of like some skyline.
Did anyone see that?
That was sold?
Yeah, that was sold for like $30,000 somewhere.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if it's real or not, but.
tim pool
P has says Fox News just made a licensing agreement with the Ruthless Podcast.
It's starting.
I'm telling you.
phil labonte
Congratulations to comfortably smugging the boys on the ruthless podcast.
tim pool
They also signed Brett Cooper.
phil labonte
Oh, yes, I heard about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
R. Sargent says worked private security.
It made me hate liberals even more.
They request service, but they didn't like the optics of armed guards.
22-year-old kid got killed on duty because of liberal preferences.
You guys ever see the video where James O'Keefe goes door to door with a sign that says proud gun-free home?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like a liberal area.
He knocked on the door and he was like, we are advocates for gun control to end gun violence.
We were wondering if you would join us by putting this on your lawn.
And they were like, no.
And he was like, well, do you want to help with gun control?
And they're like, yes, of course.
And he's like, it's kind of sound like you're saying you need a gun.
Nobody wanted the fly in front of their house saying proud, gun, free home.
@67kevin
Brilliant.
tim pool
And then one guy was like, it kind of sounds like you're inviting people to come in.
And he goes, it Kind of sounds like you're saying you need a gun to stop a criminal.
phil labonte
You know.
tim pool
Yep.
T. Heights says, people who spent weeks screaming that Pan Bonnie should be fired.
Same people are now celebrating that Comey's daughter has been fired from the SDNY.
Who fired Comey's daughter?
Bondi, we should trust Trump.
Well, I mean, he just called for the release of grand jury testimony.
We'll see what he gets.
F it button says, dude, Grok cites effing Reddit and every shitlib site there is, it will like and say it only uses Reddit for external sourcing from posts, which is a lie.
Half the time, Grok just uses the post as end.
Seriously, I was like, the question that breaks it is, that exemplifies this is, has Trump committed a crime?
And when they all invariably say Trump is guilty of 34 felonies without giving you the context, then like, this is it.
History is written by a busted AI that isn't accurately informing people and believes stupid things just because it was written on a website with money.
It's fascinating.
You've got unnamed staff writers for prominent news source and then random internet user on random blog, and then we're supposed to be told one is better than the other because one's got a corporate brand behind it.
Well, I'll tell you this.
I got a question.
Why do news websites endorse candidates?
Isn't that weird?
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
I think that's the weirdest thing in the world why they do that.
And then you can get some guy, you know, over here who just goes on the ground and reports on things and they'll say, yeah, but he's not an expert.
He's not a good source.
I remember when I was covering the, it was like the NATO five, I think it was called, protest, criminal charges.
They arrested these dudes in Chicago on terrorism charges in Illinois because they had reportedly beer making equipment that the police that were for Militoff Cocktails.
So I was in the courtroom.
I think I had like 20 or 30,000 followers.
I had several accolades in journalism.
And when the ruling came in, I ran out of the courtroom because you couldn't have your phone in the court, grabbed my phone, tweeted it out, and the immediate response was source to all of, to my post.
Everyone was saying source.
And I was like reporting live at the, you know, photo.
Here I am.
I am journalist Tim Pool.
And they were like, can we get a source on this?
And it wasn't until a corporate journalist wrote an article citing me as the source that I was now officially a legitimate source.
And so that's the name of the game in media.
carter banks
Yeah.
@67kevin
It's sad, really.
tim pool
I don't think it's going to last long, but I also think there is a detriment in that it's we're getting like Grok is basically being trained on random Kakamimi BS.
Kevin, you're out?
@67kevin
Yeah, I'm out.
I'm going to Inverted World to talk about all the dark stuff that I found in Mexico Muerta and all the cartel worship stuff.
tim pool
Monday, 6 p.m., rumble.com, front page, the premiere of Cinfrontera, the end of illegal immigration.
First showing is free.
If you catch it live at 6 p.m., it is free.
After that, it will be Rumble Premium Only.
Shout out.
@67kevin
You said it great, Tim.
Great accent on it.
tim pool
Oh, thank you.
@67kevin
Thank you.
tim pool
It's good stuff.
Let's go.
Let's go.
We got another Zujet here.
We got Greg Duvier says, new requirements for anyone handling powerful documents like the Epstein list.
You must be single or have lost your wife, child, or both.
This way, the man will have nothing to lose.
Yes, perhaps, but, you know, they can still threaten to put bamboo shoots up your fingernails.
Wyatt Kaldenberg says, I posted the sealed NYSD indictment of Epstein in the Discord lounge.
Epstein and Maxwell were indicted for trafficking teenagers to each other and sex with minors.
No one else mentioned dozens of victims.
Youngest 14.
unidentified
Wow.
Jeez.
phil labonte
This is just.
I just saw this.
Jolani left Syria and the Syrian civil war is back on.
So Jolani.
What, really?
Jolani was the president.
He split from Syria.
Him and his family have left Damascus and the Syrian war is back on the table.
tim pool
Is this over the strikes in Damascus?
phil labonte
I mean, that's part of it, I think.
tim pool
Could it be that he was like, I'll cut a deal with you.
I'll take the presidency and then we'll have Abraham Accords.
And then Israel was like, nah, beep, douche.
And they were like, okay, we're out.
They're going to kill us.
phil labonte
It could be.
I mean, part of it is allegedly the story from Israel is that they're striking Damascus, or we're striking Damascus and striking the Defense Department or whatever in Damascus because Jolani's forces have gone south and we're killing Druze and Christians.
So that's the argument, or that's what they say.
So I don't know.
You take it for what it's worth.
tim pool
Melanie Obama says, maybe Netanyahu told Trump he wouldn't be able to distract the American people, even his base, from Israeli strikes in Syria.
And Trump was like, watch this.
phil labonte
There you go.
tim pool
Maybe.
Tyler Today News says, shout out to Ian Crossland for letting me interview him today.
Had an absolute blast speaking with him.
I'd love to interview more TimCast members.
DCComedyLoft.com, July 26th, August 2nd, August 9th.
You can come up on stage and actually be on the show and debate all of us.
Alex Dein, me, Matan Evan, Gavin McInnes for the 26th.
I don't know if we're going to be able to get this prominent liberal.
If it's confirmed, he's not coming.
I'll say who you're trying to get.
But for the time being, I'm not going to say anything.
But it's a big name and everyone will love it and laugh and want to see this debate.
August 2nd, Michael Mouse and Angry Cops debating the police.
That's going to be fun.
And August 9th is feminism destroying the West.
I believe Myron is confirmed.
He's going to be talking all about the women and the ladies.
We do have some liberals confirmed.
I'm not entirely sure who may be coming.
We'll see.
Perhaps Kyla, I think, may be coming.
And so we'll see.
Get some liberal feminists to come on and debate this and then have you guys come and join us.
The tickets are available at dccomedyloft.com in the event section.
So check it out.
All right, let's see what we got here.
Oh, actually, Noah Sanders says, I can't wait to see y'all on August 2nd.
Indeed, that one's almost sold out.
When you go to tickets, you can see the preferred seating is all gone.
Hey, yo, DC Comedy Loft has a full menu.
I'm so excited for this.
phil labonte
Chicken Wings.
tim pool
I'm getting chicken wings.
phil labonte
Chicken wings.
tim pool
With ranch and barbecue sauce.
phil labonte
So good.
tim pool
And if anyone so much as says blue cheese to me, I will strike them.
I don't eat that stuff.
mary morgan
You should just eat them on stage like really loud into the microphone.
tim pool
I was thinking about it.
You know, probably shouldn't, but the first one was a lot of fun.
It was a lot of fun.
Here we go.
I can't read your name.
T. Tunnells, Tunnells.
My wife and I are at the hospital waiting for, waiting on our first child.
My in-laws are raging liberals and sitting next to me, LOL.
Congratulations.
phil labonte
Congrats.
mary morgan
Why are there this many super chats from people whose wives are going into labor?
tim pool
Every night.
mary morgan
I've seen several.
Yeah, on PCC they do this.
phil labonte
Baby's a very popular show.
It's a very large viewership.
mary morgan
But what I'm surprised about is like, aren't you more focused on the baby?
phil labonte
Super chat allegations.
tim pool
We decided because politics are kind of, you know, going by the wayside right about now that we should shift the show's focus to parenting.
It's just, it seems more relevant with all people having babies, and we'll just be a parenting tips podcast from now on.
We'll bring out, you know, no TV.
Okay.
TVs at night.
No tablets.
phil labonte
No screens.
tim pool
No screens.
Men's hypnotized baby.
mary morgan
Yes.
tim pool
None of that.
mary morgan
There's a lot of no's.
What's a yes?
tim pool
Well, I mean, for where I am right now, the tips that I can give is yes, talk to baby, read stories to baby, play music for baby, and sing to baby.
This is extremely important.
Talk as much as you can.
And reading is really good.
Talking is one of the most, and make sure baby is watching you as you speak because visually seeing your mouth move is very, very important.
Those are very good tips.
And baby will begin to eat any and everything at a certain point.
So make sure you take that seriously.
When they say choking hazard on stuff, I always wondered like, really?
unidentified
And now I'm like, oh my God.
tim pool
Everything.
Anything on my daughter, she grabs and shoves in her mouth.
unidentified
Just like, and I'm like, okay.
mary morgan
Like a different pair of eyes.
phil labonte
Yeah.
mary morgan
So they see things and experience the world.
tim pool
And she's now doing the thing where she takes both her hands and jams them in her face while staring at you.
That's what they do.
Oh, the favorite thing is, my favorite thing is that I don't wake up at 7.30 anymore.
I wake up at 6.30.
You know, I try to get to bed around 11.30 and then I wake up at 7.30, try and get those eight hours.
Usually it's I get to bed by midnight.
But I've been waking up at 6.32.
unidentified
Ah!
tim pool
And I'm like, here she goes.
carter banks
She's sleeping through the night.
tim pool
And then I look over at my wife and she's got this look on her face that just says, I am so tired.
And then I smile and I go, I can't sleep because I can only hear angels singing.
phil labonte
And then starts laughing.
Sarah's just getting to the point where her center of gravity is off.
She's like, I'm never comfortable and I always feel like I'm going to fall down.
tim pool
Oh, be careful.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
No falling.
phil labonte
No falling.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
Melania Mama says, CBS canceling Stephen Colbert, another culture win.
You know, technically it's correct, but I do kind of feel like it's an L. Like, I know I played Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead because it's so cringe.
But when you look at what the show was, it used to actually be fine until culture started breaking down.
And I think what happens is these shows like Kimmel, they say, look, we have to choose a market.
There is no unified political market or cultural market, so pick one.
And they say, okay, we'll go with institutional, mainstream, liberal.
And then that isolates everybody else even more than they already were.
But they're trying to maximize viewership.
So the end is nigh for all of them.
It would be great if Colbert was getting 10 million key demo viewers per night and he did not go hyper-partisan and was fair and balanced and like relatively neutral or outright just said, I would love it if he was getting 10 million views per night and he was like, guys, guys, guys, I'm not here to rag on Trump or the Democrats or the Republicans.
Let's talk about movies, sports, and otherwise you guys can watch that stuff at home.
And I'd be like, okay, let's hear the new band and the latest album.
Instead, they decided, let's just hate Trump and everybody who supports him and be as hyperpartic as possible and burn everything down.
And they did.
So there you go, I guess.
There's no bringing that back together.
All right, let's see.
That glower says, based Mary, 100 to 100,000 deported with 160,000 H-1Bs approved for next year.
And you could be 4X that number on average with the attached H-4s.
Quit coping.
Maybe.
But one thing I can say is that Trump is going into these cities with these ICE raids, and they are removing people.
These videos, we're getting these videos of people fleeing these construction sites.
unidentified
That is happening.
mary morgan
Okay, there are these videos, but the numbers don't lie.
14,000 in a month.
That's not mass deportations.
tim pool
Zero border crossings.
mary morgan
Okay, yeah, that's great.
But we were promised and voted for mass deportations, which we are not getting.
tim pool
Well, he just got his big, beautiful bill passed.
We'll see what he does with damn money.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
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carter banks
Yeah.
You can follow me at Carter Banks.
Also, go to Trash House Records YouTube.
And we've got some new live performances as well as some more stuff coming very soon.
I think I'll be happy about it.
Mary.
unidentified
Cool.
All right.
mary morgan
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phil labonte
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tim pool
We will see you all at rumble.com slash Timcast IRL in about 30 seconds.
Thanks for hanging out.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool
I love this headline.
Bernie Sanders tells Zoran Mamdani to sound less anti-Semitic.
Oh my God.
mary morgan
This is your child.
You can't speak to him this way.
tim pool
I am.
mary morgan
Zoran wouldn't exist without Bernie.
tim pool
I am really feeling that get out before the AI takes over thing.
I'm ready to just...
Just buy chickens.
phil labonte
What are you going to change the name to, though?
unidentified
Billy Mamdani.
phil labonte
John Smith, man.
tim pool
Johnny Mamdani.
And I'm going to be like, dude, Rudyard Lynch had that post where he said everyone's going insane, and he's correct.
Everyone's gone fucking nuts.
It's fucking crazy.
I like swearing when I can.
phil labonte
New York is about to elect a communist as the mayor.
Unless Eric Adams gets out, Sleewig, I think that's his name, gets out, then Cuomo can win.
But then you're getting one of the most sleazy politician guys imaginable.
And I think that even if he were to win, when his term is up, someone like Mom Dani, if it wasn't Mom Dani, would jump in and say, look, here's all the bad things that he did.
It didn't get better.
We had the same old, same old now you need, et cetera.
And I think that would be probably compelling to me.
tim pool
If there's one lesson that socialists have taken to heart, it's if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
And then as the bodies pile up and they stand atop them, they just, you know, try, try again.
You ever see that meme where that Al Jazeera woman was like, she said, socialism is just like cooking.
Oh, God, yeah.
When you mess up, you don't just stop.
You figure out how to get the recipe right and make it work properly.
And then someone posted the killing fields and put, oh, burn the souffle.
phil labonte
It's so ridiculous.
carter banks
Stick to the plan, but do it right this time.
unidentified
How come communists don't have Google?
phil labonte
It doesn't matter.
Well, they do.
It's just that all of the stuff that you read that contradicts the narrative that the socialists want, that's all CIA and capitalist prices.
tim pool
Did you see Zoran's plan for his public grocery stores as bulk pricing?
phil labonte
Oh, God.
tim pool
Which is what he's describing as an illegal practice.
phil labonte
Of course.
tim pool
So there's a court case about bulk providers selling at cheaper rates to larger corporations versus small businesses.
So there's some court precedent about unfair trade practices that happened where it's like, this has to be available to all purchasers.
So when he's like, we're going to buy in bulk, the immediate question is, okay, are you going to avoid being in violation of, I don't know that much about it.
But like, the other idea is like, do you think these stores don't?
Like these grocery stores don't buy in bulk?
carter banks
I was going to say they have like not for individual sale on a lot of stuff because it's probably bought in bulk by a store.
tim pool
I don't understand why – how you can have someone like Zoran Mamdani who – like to get to the position that he's in right now without having actually just like read the first chapter of an economics book on what happens when you privatize a fraction of the market like with the public grocery stores.
Or is he just lying because communists are evil?
phil labonte
I don't – Two.
unidentified
Why not both?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I don't know if he's – I mean I don't – I don't understand.
I legitimately don't.
I don't know why people can't look at history and say, okay, these policies don't work.
He's talking about price controls.
Once you – when you do rent freezes and price controls and stuff like that, it always drives up the price of rent all the time.
Like it makes the quality of the homes and the available places go down.
They – the people that are actually landlords and owners, they don't invest in the property.
They don't fix things.
So the places get worse.
You have to open up the market and allow people to build.
That's what happened in Austin.
That's what happened – that's what happens in Houston.
Austin had really, really, really high prices because so many people were moving to Austin.
And so they changed the zoning laws and they changed the laws, making it easier to build.
And people started building and the prices came down and became more reasonable.
tim pool
I just think they're evil.
mary morgan
I mean – I don't think it would be accurate to say that he's like a true believer or that he's lying about his beliefs.
I don't think it's even occurred to him the content of what he's saying and whether it's true.
He's just power hungry.
And he's also been raised completely sheltered from any adversity.
He pretends that he grew up in like mud huts.
unidentified
It comes down to – He went to an elite private school.
tim pool
And he hadn't had a job.
It comes down to two politicians.
One saying, with my plan, you will have jobs.
There will be a job for you.
And the other guy goes, fuck jobs.
I'll just give you the money.
And they go, I'll take that guy.
And that's what he is.
mary morgan
He just thinks that the government should operate the way that his parents did where they just gave him everything that he wanted.
tim pool
This is the – You know, I've experienced this.
I've told this story about my buddy who started a marketing company.
And the simple version is he ended up – he was hiring college grads due to social media marketing and kept firing them because they were retarded.
And he was like, I couldn't understand why they didn't know how to solve any problems.
So eventually when his budget was cooked, he hired some high school dropouts.
for 12 bucks an hour and he never had a problem again and he was kind of he he was at a meeting he doesn't get any phone calls or anything so he's kind of worried he comes back is everything good look we're all good boss and he's like no problems like oh we had an issue with one of the clients we took care of it you're all good and he's like what happened uh One of the pictures went up.
They didn't like it.
So he just took it down, remade it, put it back up.
And he was like, okay.
The college grads spent 22 years of their lives being told what to do instead of being told how to do things and solve problems.
So when he kept trying to hire college grads, they went, I don't know what to do.
We have a problem.
And he'd go, I fucking hired you to do this.
Solve the problem.
I'm in a sales meeting.
And they couldn't.
So then he'd fire them.
The people who dropped out of high school moved to California to be actors.
They had made decisions for themselves as to what the best course of action would be.
And so they never had a problem.
I had hired someone to, an administrative assistant when I worked for one of these companies.
And there was a problem with booking travel.
And they emailed me saying, because they're supposed to be booking my travel for me.
I'd say, hey, I'm going to this place at this time.
I need you to book this.
And they were like, I don't know how to do this.
And I said, neither do I. Figure it out.
And then after like three months, they flabbergasted.
They came to me screaming like, you have to tell me what to do.
And I said, no, I fucking don't.
Your job is to run the travel system.
I've never taken one fucking look at it.
I'm going to Japan right now to interview some radioactive site workers.
You were hired to figure out how to do the booking system.
I am not going to teach.
I'm not a fucking professor.
And that's when I clicked.
Most of these, maybe not all, but many of these college grads were always in a situation where they'd say, what should I do?
And they'd say, do this.
And they'd say, okay.
So they get into the labor market and they're like, what should I do?
And their bosses say, do this.
And then when a problem arises and their boss says, honestly, I don't know.
You are hired for this position.
They go, so there you go.
The reason I bring that up, that's Zohran Mamdani.
What was it?
He had three years of work history?
Something like that?
phil labonte
He's like 33.
tim pool
And so they're going like this.
Look, I was given free money by the government to go to university that gave me food whenever I needed it and told me what I needed to do.
That's how government should work.
They're graduating college and they're saying government should function like subsidized college.
The only problem is they don't realize the college was subsidized by the government and the government's not subsidized by anybody.
So they get these fucking retard policies anyway.
phil labonte
Look, like Bernie Sanders is like 950 and he's never worked either.
tim pool
He's never had a job.
phil labonte
He's never had a job at all.
carter banks
Or a book, though, right?
tim pool
No job.
mary morgan
Is he a lifelong?
tim pool
Lifelong policy.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
Public service.
mary morgan
Even from his early 20s.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
First thing he did was he ran, I think it was like what, city council or something?
mary morgan
And he didn't even work as a teenager?
unidentified
No, he's never had a job.
phil labonte
But he knows.
unidentified
Yep.
phil labonte
Knows how.
tim pool
That's why part of me is just like, let the collapse come.
mary morgan
I think that Zoran is running just for attention from girls.
tim pool
I mean, he wasn't.
He's married now.
mary morgan
I'm just getting it.
tim pool
But he was an incel.
You saw that post that went viral?
Where he was like, the white women don't like me and I'm jealous and I wish I was white and stuff like that.
mary morgan
No, I just didn't.
tim pool
Allegedly from Zoran Mamdani saying, I'm correcting people and I wish for whiteness.
I just wish I was white or whatever.
mary morgan
But was it about like girls not paying attention to him?
tim pool
They don't want to date him because he's exotic or something like that.
I don't know.
It was allegedly from him.
I don't know if it was true.
unidentified
That's crazy.
tim pool
It was apparently some like blog thing he wrote where he said, I'm constantly fact-checking people on the pronunciation of my name.
If I pronounce the H in my name, they laugh at me.
If I wear a white button-up, they call it a dashiki.
When I wear sandals, I'm exotic.
I just wish I was white.
mary morgan
Okay, Phil, how many times have you had to correct people on the pronunciation of your last name?
unidentified
Tons.
mary morgan
That's not a racism issue.
tim pool
Nobody can spell my last name.
mary morgan
They always put it the E. Yep.
tim pool
And I've canceled big business meetings when they booked the meeting and then I was greeted with an E. I just looked at them and said, clearly you don't know who I am.
Thank you, Anne, and I stay.
And they were like, well, what's the problem?
And I was like, that's not my name.
And they went, oh, fuck.
And I said, if you actually don't know enough about me to spell my name right when it's my fucking YouTube, Twitter, and all that, I think I'd be wasting my time trying to negotiate with you because you have no idea who I am.
mary morgan
People are becoming illiterate.
tim pool
Yep.
mary morgan
Like, I just, I cannot believe the lack of reading comprehension, the lack of writing ability.
It's actually shocking.
You can just like, you can start people young and you can try to teach them how to read.
And you can try from the time that they're four or five years old.
And some people just won't pick it up.
unidentified
It's crazy.
carter banks
We have audiobooks now, so they don't have to, a lot of them.
mary morgan
That is like so not the same thing as reading a book neurologically.
tim pool
This should be illegal.
phil labonte
Oh boy.
unidentified
One hour of the hot dog game.
tim pool
This should be child abuse.
This is child abuse.
I'm not joking.
It's child abuse.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
One hour of your child staring at the screen being like, kill me.
mary morgan
So sad.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That's why they can't read, though.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And it's also, remember the conversation we had earlier today?
This is why dudes are not able to speak with people.
mary morgan
Yeah, Gen Z is not as socialized as they ought to be.
phil labonte
John Alpha has got to be fucking what Tim was saying about talking to your kid.
And actually, when your kid's talking, I saw this video.
A woman picked up her phone.
She was interacting with her baby, talking to her baby.
The woman picked up her phone, started looking at her phone, and her face went, you know, the normal face.
You're just looking at the picture.
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