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tim pool
The race is on.
As the global markets are in turmoil and there's chaos internationally, we already have the report from the Financial Times that countries are racing to offer U.S. concessions before the tariffs hit.
Indeed. Well, we'll see how this plays out.
No one is sure, but on tribal lines, it's pretty obvious.
Conservatives are typically saying it's good.
Democrats are typically saying it's bad.
The market is taking a hit, but we have no idea why.
Some are saying that it's a short, that people are selling off because they're trying to sabotage Trump or profit off of what they think will be his failures.
Not that it's actually a genuine reaction to trade.
But again, others are saying, yo, when you mess up trade like this, your market is going to sell off.
So we will see.
That's pretty interesting.
Now, in this story, of course, CNN being accused of making Trump orange through a filter.
Maybe it was the TV screens.
We don't know.
But we'll show this one.
This has gone pretty viral.
And then, of course, CNN Once again, lying about Donald Trump, claiming he's putting tariffs on penguins.
When in fact, he put a tariff on fisheries.
Yeah, because the population of an island was zero, but people work there.
They claimed he was putting a tax on penguins.
Because they lie.
We're gonna talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tiffany Cianci.
tiffany cianci
Thanks for having me back.
tim pool
Did I pronounce it right?
tiffany cianci
You did.
tim pool
Okay, great.
tiffany cianci
You did on the first try, too.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
tiffany cianci
I am a small business advocate, primarily.
I do a ton of advocacy for small businesses.
I talk about the ways that we can support small businesses, how we can save them from private equity erosion and destruction.
And I do that in Capitol Hill and on TikTok and X, and in every place I'm able to go and spread the word.
tim pool
Right on.
We had you on, was it like last week, was it?
tiffany cianci
Two weeks ago, yeah.
tim pool
And we had a guest who just didn't show up.
And you rushed out the door to try and make it here in time, but you were telling us about the pending financial collapse from all these businesses that are going under now.
Hooters apparently is filing bankruptcy, and you predicted it.
Yep. So this will be really interesting.
We'll dive back into that after we get through all the other news, of course, but should be fun.
Thanks for joining us.
tiffany cianci
I'm so happy to be back.
I had a great time.
tim pool
It was great.
White House correspondent, Elad Eliyahu, has joined us.
elad eliahu
Good evening, everybody.
I am Elad Eliyahu, your White House correspondent.
Phil, how's it going?
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the Here's the news, ladies and gentlemen!
tim pool
We're starting off with the big bang from the Financial Times.
Donald Trump triggers race to offer U.S. concessions before tariffs hit.
Nations prepare offers to Washington, including weapons deals, dropping their own tariffs, and moves against China.
When does Trump get to say, I told you so?
Should he do that now, or should he wait until the deals are finalized?
Because, I gotta say, all day, it was nothing but finance people, Democrats, liberals, bashing their faces on the table, screaming that this was the apocalypse and Trump was burning everything down, and now the Financial Times, not a liberal paper, not a- it's- it's- they're- they're- the Financial Times are saying, alright, these countries are coming out and saying, we're gonna offer you some deals.
They mention the EU, Brussels has offered to drop car tariffs 10% to Washington levels of 2.5%.
Said officials briefed on talks it could also increase energy purchases.
They say few of these countries have moved to retaliate in an attempt to reduce its 20% tariff.
The EU instead is prepared to cut the $235 billion trade surplus it racked up in 2024 by buying more U.S. goods and lowering some tariffs.
Trump's swinging global tariffs It seems like Trump's move just wins.
I don't know.
I mean, the market is down.
And I think it'd be silly You know, we've got Judge Jeanine on The Five saying, I don't care about my 401K.
Something that in effect, and I'm just going to say, look, there are people who deeply care about their 401Ks.
Okay, they rely on that.
And so Trump making these moves is risky because people are going to get negatively impacted by this.
But if it's short term, and it results in a long term gain, is it worth it?
elad eliahu
I think yes.
I definitely think yes.
I think this is really nice.
Again, because if the goal of the tariffs was to onshore, so-called onshore manufacturing again, I don't think it was going to achieve that goal.
But if this was an art of the deal style maneuver to create some leverage, to be able to cancel out some of these trade surpluses some of these countries have with us, or to try to make some concessions on trying to deal with China, this is all in our favor.
We've had bad trade deals with these countries for some time.
we've been getting the short end of the stick, and this is what it took to kind of bring everything back together.
Markets hate uncertainty, and they are definitely, it's very Trump is Trump obviously injects a lot of uncertainty into the market.
So we're going to see some turbulence moving forward.
But I think the ultimate gain here that we're seeing more than justifies that.
I think it's interesting, too, the people who are complaining the most about the market would otherwise, again, talk about hating business people and hating big business.
So I just think it's an interesting...
the group of people who are complaining about this the most usually hate big business.
phil labonte
I think if you're dealing with political pundits or partisans, The criticism of the tariffs is baked in.
I don't think it matters.
If you're a person that's been critical of Donald Trump for everything, you're going to be critical of Donald Trump for this, of course.
So to take partisans' opinions on it, I think you take it with a grain of salt because they're going to find a negative outlook.
As far as the stock market goes, I think I've said this a couple times, but there's been a need for a correction for a while.
We've had, you know, you had interest rates at zero from 2008 until 2017.
People were taking that money, people were taking loans out and they were dumping that money into the stock market.
They're taking loans for zero, you know, zero percent interest or really, really, really low percent interest.
And so that's artificially inflated a bubble in the stock market that does exist.
And this correction is actually healthy and necessary.
Now, before people get all worked up about that, Poor people and the people that are working class, they likely don't own a lot of stocks.
It does matter to people that are on fixed incomes, people that are going into retirement now.
I understand that's true.
But the people that are getting hurt are people that do have assets, people that have money in the stock market.
If you're talking about the working class, you're talking about poor people, they mostly do not have assets.
So this actually doesn't affect them the same way that it does affect rich people.
tim pool
Maybe Trump is just like, I don't really care about those people.
phil labonte
I mean, look, the stock market needs a correction.
There's a bubble that's not some kind of thing that's debated.
Talk to most of the economists and most of the people that are in financials, and they're aware of that.
Go ahead, if you had something to add, please.
tiffany cianci
From a working class or populist perspective, my whole thing is small business advocacy.
There's no question some small businesses are going to be hurt by this.
There's no question that it will be difficult for them.
However, when you look at what's going on with small business America and how they're being gobbled up by private equity, they have one We're good to
go. Conveyor belt to eventual failure.
This is going to expedite that for some of them, but it's going to give small businesses that do business with other small businesses and farms and American manufacturing a leg up.
So in that regard, I actually think from a populist perspective, it's going to hurt the finance bros more than it's going to hurt the small businesses.
And I think that there's a claim to be made there that that's what our small businesses need because I don't see a future for the younger generations of America right now.
tim pool
I also think that probably a lot of Gen Z are looking at this and laughing.
I remember the 2008 Great Recession.
I was broke as a joke, and I thought it was funny.
You know, because, you know, I went to apply for a job as a dishwasher at a small diner.
Because I was like, I need money.
I found it on Craigslist.
And there was a guy standing in front of me in line wearing a suit with a briefcase.
And like, there was like a counter and I was walking up to like ask him about the job.
And this guy hands a resume and I can hear him say like, I'm looking for work.
And I hear that you have a dishwasher position.
And I just laughed and I turned around and walked out.
And I was like, I mean, how old was I?
20, 22 or whatever?
22 years old.
So there's no, I was explaining to everybody like, okay, here's the floor, right?
Here's me.
Here's everybody else.
Yeah, I can't go anywhere.
I can't go down more.
So right now, with all the moves that Trump is making, he's very popular among Gen Z. I kind of feel like Gen Z is just shrugging and laughing and being like, oh yeah, my retirement account, I'm so concerned about something I will never have.
phil labonte
That point, I was listening to the All In podcast a couple weeks ago and the guy Chamath was making that exact point.
There has to be a correction in the market and the people that tend to vote for Trump being The people that are populist, you know, geared toward populism, like, they're not the finance bros generally.
They're not the wealthy people.
They're the people that don't have assets.
And this actually does give them a chance to get into the market and get some deals on things if they want.
Look, I'm not saying that everyone should be in the market.
That's not the argument that I'm making.
But the point is, this doesn't hurt the average person that doesn't own assets.
And most of Gen Z and probably a significant portion of millennials don't own assets.
elad eliahu
I think if you want some insight to the thinking of the Trump administration here, yesterday Treasury Secretary Scott Besson brushed off stock market losses following the tariff announcement saying that's a MAG 7 problem, not a MAGA problem.
When he says MAG 7, he's referring to the magnificent seven stocks in the stock market that are very overvalued.
So he's saying that it's a problem for them, not for MAGA.
So I don't think they mind seeing some crash in some of these.
Apple, Amazon, Tesla stocks if it means they are going to have leverage to negotiate with other countries and I think we should be thanking Donald Trump for an opportunity to buy in if you know stats show that most people don't have any money invested within the next month or so maybe you should be looking to invest some thanks to Trump he's giving you a good entry point yeah and there's never been more opportunity or there's never been more Simple ways for the average person to actually get into the stock market,
phil labonte
whether there's all kinds of apps you can get to get pieces of of stock.
So go ahead, please.
tiffany cianci
It's foolish for us to suggest, though, that the working class and the younger generation are not going to suffer under this while it's being worked through.
It's absolutely like insane for us to think that that's not a reality that they're going to have to suffer.
And I want to be really honest, like for the for the generation that's like 30 and under, they've suffered a lot.
Mm-hmm.
Endless debt for jobs that are never going to come, that are never going to pay back their school loans, right?
There's a lot that's working against them.
We have to understand that, and we also need to find ways to give them mechanisms back for prosperity, because they don't have them right now.
phil labonte
If that's the case, and they are leveraged the way you say, isn't the best thing to do to get interest rates down, get inflation under control and lower interest rates?
Because if they're leveraged, they've got a lot of debt.
That interest rate is killing them.
tiffany cianci
I mean getting the interest rates down might make their $1,600 a month student loan payment $1,400 a month but it's not going to change the fact they're never going to get a job that's actually going to pay back the education that what it costs them that we told them would pay them back over time.
Like I'm lucky I came in two years early.
On that side of the coin.
I got a house just in time.
My husband got a federal job that paid off his law school loans right after 10 years.
elad eliahu
What interest rate did you get that house at?
phil labonte
I feel like that's the big issue.
tiffany cianci
You really want to know?
I didn't get it great.
I got in at $4, and then I refinanced at $2.25.
phil labonte
Oh, that's incredibly good.
elad eliahu
Yeah, that's the thing that I think that's holding back younger people nowadays.
I think the best rate you could get is something like seven percent.
tiffany cianci
I mean, the price of a house is insane.
elad eliahu
You can never move.
phil labonte
They don't have the money to put down payment on.
It's not just the interest rates.
They don't have 50, 60, 70 grand to put a down payment on a $200 house.
tim pool
There's a viral video from Boy Meets World.
Where the main character is the $80,000 house and how it's like we're gonna have to work for six months to get that down payment or something like that.
Let's jump to this next story from the Seattle Times.
Check it out.
Trump tariffs wipe out $2.5 trillion from US stock market.
And I gotta say, ladies and gentlemen, this year to date, I'm down 20%.
I'm down 20%.
And you know what?
I don't care.
And you know why Trump don't care?
And why I don't care about any of these stocks?
Like, I don't want to see the companies harmed.
I get it.
But I ain't crying about it.
Let me let me give you some stats.
So I asked my good friend Chet GPT, how many people in this country have a 401k?
34% of Americans have a 401k.
So when Trump makes these moves, 34% of people are impacted.
Okay, I don't want to see anybody lose money.
You know, bad policy is bad policy.
But this ain't the majority.
This is only a third of the country.
So the majority of the country who don't have these accounts are not feeling this pain.
It gets better.
I went on to ask our good friend, ChachiBT, what percent have a stock portfolio?
It tries giving me these fake answers.
So the first time I asked it, what percent of Americans have 401ks?
It says, 70% of private sector employees have access to 401k style plans.
I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That is not what I asked you.
I said, oh, you're right.
It's 34%.
When I said, what percent of a stock portfolio, it says, actually through a variety of different vehicles.
No, no, no, no.
I said, that's not what I asked you.
It said, okay, 58% of Americans have a stock portfolio.
Here's where it gets better.
Despite broad participation, The top 10% of income earners own 87% of corporate equities and mutual funds.
So when you see Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Microsoft, Meta, Alphabet, Tesla, Broadcom, Walmart, JPMorgan dropping, and the media is going, oh, woe is me, Democrats, quick, we're in pain, Donald Trump's tariff plans.
What they're really saying is, quick, wealthy people, we're upset.
So I'm wondering if Donald Trump When he makes these moves, and they say in the media, oh, the stocks are tanking and people's retirements and all that stuff, I wonder if Donald Trump is actually just thinking, I gotta be honest, I don't care about these people, they're rich.
The person who has the top 10% of this country, are they really going to be hurt by this right now?
They probably didn't even know what the cost of eggs was, to be completely honest.
Now, I gotta tell you guys, I don't know, and I haven't known for a long time, how much a dozen eggs costs.
Because I have my own chickens.
And you too can have your own chickens and never worry about those costs again.
But the reality is for the top 10% of this country, they don't know what milk costs.
They don't know what bread costs.
They don't care about this stuff.
It's the working class Americans who are going to benefit from this first and foremost.
And they're not going to cry about someone's portfolio dropping.
elad eliahu
I think this graph also doesn't do a good job of showing how overvalued obviously the stock market is.
So like, if you pulled up Apple stock for the past five years, It's obviously very overdue for a correction.
phil labonte
The Magnificent Seven are holding up the stock market.
elad eliahu
And like, also if you...
I'm sorry, go ahead.
tiffany cianci
Apple has not innovated or invented anything substantial in 25 freaking years.
tim pool
Well, I gotta, I gotta pause you there.
tiffany cianci
They don't.
tim pool
They've not invented anything substantial.
We can sentence cut off.
Apple is famous for taking existing things and marketing it better.
tiffany cianci
Yeah, but they haven't even done that.
tim pool
He's a genius.
You know, he knows how to market.
My favorite thing was how he took Unix, slapped his brand on it, and sold it for a crap load of money when it was a free software to begin with, but hey, bravo to Apple, right?
elad eliahu
It's those curvy edges that people really like.
tim pool
Those curvy edges, and the weight.
They like it feeling heavy.
elad eliahu
It's something about how they feel in their hands.
tim pool
But he gets it, he gets it.
Now take a look at this.
Ladies and gentlemen, this may shock you.
I have for you the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
And as you can see, over the past five years...
Where's the market drop-off?
No, no, I know, I get it.
Looking over the past five years and seeing that in five years the market is up 92.59% doesn't get it what's happening today.
But my point is, look at every time the market drops.
We're here.
Is there any strong difference from any time we've seen a big market drop?
Here you go in 2022 from 33 down to 28. Okay, today we saw 44 down to 40.5.
Look, I gotta be honest.
When you zoom in on today, they go, oh no, the market's tanking.
When you look at it over the past five years, you're like, I can't really see a strong difference between today and yesterday.
elad eliahu
This is the Dow Jones.
If you look at any of the MAG 7 stocks, the difference is even more prominent.
It's even more ridiculous.
Like Amazon, or even Tesla, or I think even Microsoft, all of these stocks.
Nvidia is the most infamous one because they have the most outrageous P.E. It is a big drop today.
tim pool
Don't get me wrong.
1,679 for the day, nearly 4% is big.
Very big.
In five days, 4%.
In one month, 6%.
Six months, 3%.
Year to date, minus four.
In one year, it's actually up 3.63.
So that's obviously into the Biden administration.
But the point is, when you look at the five years, it's like there's a ton of moments where the stocks dropped.
It's ebbs and flows.
So the question now is going to be, will Trump's tariffs result in other countries changing their policies, investing in America, and making trade better for us?
And it looks like the answer is, it's already started.
elad eliahu
It would be very smart of them.
I suspect within the next month or two, we'll see most of these tariffs drop.
Except for the big countries like China, I think there's going to be issues with down the line.
tim pool
I'll tell you, the only thing I care about right now, there's two groups of people in this country that I care about.
Working-class Americans who are raising children and Gen Z. Gen Z needs to be able to establish families, otherwise we cease to exist.
The middle-class working families of various ages, from Gen Z to elder millennial, even younger Gen X, need money for their children.
I don't care about boomers.
Sorry, boomers.
I don't care about you.
I don't care about silent generation.
And I don't care about the wealthy.
I don't even care about, like, the middle-upper class.
If you have money and you have food and you can eat, we need to make sure that the people who are struggling and suffering are able to work these things through and make it.
Now the problem is, you've got people who can't afford to feed their kids, and you've got Gen Z that feels like right now there is no path forward.
So when we look at these stocks, and I'll give you this, the income of the top 10% of this country is, let's see, as of 2024, You need to make $150,000 per year to be considered a top 10% earner in the United States.
How many Gen Z-ers are anywhere near that number?
How many of...
At 22 years old, you're supposed to have a kid and be married.
That was the average for a millennia.
And in this, this period we're at, boomers hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, and Gen Z holds A disproportionate amount less.
tiffany cianci
And of debt.
They own a disproportionate amount of debt.
They will be saddled with the debt that we continue our boomers continue to you guys ask the question our tariffs going to make it better For the working class of this country It's gonna take a lot more like let's say tariffs work and like I think that we will see a lot of reciprocal relief Okay, I think and I'll say again what I said earlier Which I think it's insane that we're upset about applying a 10% tariff to Canada when Canada is putting a 269 percent tariff on the goods that we're sending there.
We can't send both I don't know if it should be blanket, but I do think we're gonna see some reciprocal relief.
But unless we see a serious market correction, and that's gonna take pain, a serious market correction, Gen Z and these younger millennials will never own a home.
tim pool
Let's be real.
tiffany cianci
Because it's not just debt, it's also the cost.
tim pool
When you see these Democrats screaming that the stocks are dropping, Do you know what investors are actually doing right now?
phil labonte
Buying stocks.
tim pool
That's right.
Bargain bin!
Get in while you can, because over the past five years, you're up 100%.
Oh great, now's your chance to get back in, because you know these tariffs are going to be temporary.
Or at the very least, the ramifications we see today will be temporary.
And even if the tariffs stick, something is going to change.
Stocks go up!
elad eliahu
Stocks go up, stocks go down.
I think the real, the big question here is if these are long-term tariffs or not.
If we see these tariffs come off and other countries decide to come to the table, then this will be a good move, in my opinion.
I think it'll just slow down the global economy and hurt both sides.
I think free trade's a good thing in most cases.
So I think that's what we have yet to see.
I suspect he'll take them all off, but if he doesn't, then we're going to start a trade war with most of our trading partners.
tim pool
Why not?
elad eliahu
Who cares?
Because if we see like a 10% tariff on cars, for example, people can't afford cars already.
tim pool
Come here.
Buy American.
elad eliahu
Even American cars will still be more expensive.
tiffany cianci
American cars have gotten really exploitative, though.
Look at what Stellantis has done.
Stellantis has literally driven up all of their prices, cut all of their quality, hurt their union members, and have literally injured their customers by refusing to do recalls on deadly issues with their vehicles.
Stellantis is a nightmare right now.
elad eliahu
The used car market is trash.
tiffany cianci
Yes, they do.
elad eliahu
And people can't afford cars to begin with, not to mention their insurance and gas.
And now we're going to make them more expensive.
Obviously, I could see the issues here.
And when you really start hitting consumers is the issue.
And also, allegedly there are real problems with how they formulated these numbers.
I'm not an economist, but...
tim pool
There's actually not.
I actually don't think so.
The White House administration actually released a statement on how they calculated the number.
The number actually says currency manipulation, trade barriers, and I think it says tariffs.
Let me make sure.
Yeah. Tariffs charged to the U.S. including currency manipulation and trade barriers.
They basically took the trade deficit divided by the surplus or something like that.
What they're basically saying is, this is the percentage by which we are giving them a benefit.
So we're cutting that in half and charging them on their products coming into us.
The idea being, they don't buy enough from us.
So it's not necessarily a tariff.
And the funny thing is, there's this great analysis.
This guy, I think his name was Oren Kass or whatever.
I think it's his name.
I could be getting your name wrong, buddy.
Sorry. And he wrote in February, Trump's response to trade imbalance will likely be tariffs.
This doesn't mean he's saying they tariff me, I tariff you.
But economists, of course, are going to lose their minds over this.
It's crazy to me that they're going to make up any reason to say Trump is wrong when the intent is clear.
We can buy, we can give them money.
But they have barriers and blocks on us.
So when we try to sell and make money off them, it doesn't work.
tiffany cianci
That's why I support more the reciprocity tariffs than I do like just blanket tariffs.
I think reciprocal tariffs are actually intelligent for a negotiating perspective.
tim pool
This tweet's really funny.
He said, Nike shifted production from China to Vietnam to sidestep tariffs, only to get hit with new, bigger ones.
unidentified
That makes me so happy.
tim pool
So happy.
Look at this.
China, 34% tariff, and then you've got Vietnam, 46. Nike stock is down 14.44% today.
I'm good with it.
I'm happy about it.
They make their shoes in Vietnam.
We need products made in America.
To support American jobs.
This idea that we were going to be the capital city of the Hunger Games of the world, and that a country could survive with no one being able to do any work or know how to do work.
What you end up getting...
You want to know what you end up getting when you have a population that doesn't do any work?
You get woke.
You get communists.
You get DEI.
No. Work is a good thing.
People need passions, they need drive, and they have to build things.
So when they took it all away and gave it away, like, now we're gonna get free cheap stuff.
Nope. So I just absolutely love, love how this played out.
tiffany cianci
There are a ton of reasons that the working class are being hit from all sides, especially in the younger generations, okay?
It is foolish of us to suggest these tariffs are not going to lead to layoffs in the working class.
They are going to lead to pain for the working class.
However, there are other issues that are at play.
Historically, for every $1 that a product went up based on inflation, 93 cents of that dollar increase went back into the economy, either through reinvestment in higher wages, or through new factories, or through price relief when there was severe inflation.
Right now?
Six cents of every dollar increase in the average product in America is going back into the economy and all of its being funneled to the hands of a very few individuals.
There has been a massive shift and last time I was on here we talked about Dodge versus Ford.
It's a court case, very famous court case that kind of started this spiral in my opinion in a lot of ways.
Ford was trying to be a good employer.
I'm not gonna say anything about how good of a company they were based on some of the things they did.
They were trying to be a good employer and a good neighbor.
They wanted to increase wages for their workers.
They wanted to reinvest in new factories.
They wanted to lower prices on their cars.
Dodge sued them and they said, by law, you have to serve your shareholders instead of your employees, so you're not allowed to raise their wages.
And Dodge We're good to go!
the behavior that would reinvigorate the economy.
That's a mistake we've made.
And if we don't put those guardrails back on, if we don't fix that, we can't fix the way that things need to go.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story.
We got a tweet from Mario Knopfel.
CNN has orange filter on Trump.
Journalism or just manipulation?
A social media storm erupted after viewers alleged CNN applied an orange tint to Trump's face during his Liberation Day speech.
Critics say it mirrors past accusations that Joe Rogan's skin tone was altered on air to discredit his views on health during COVID.
While CNN hasn't commented, skeptical viewers see it as a reality editing other than objective news coverage.
Another blow to public trust.
Let's try this video.
Now, the first thing I want to say is some are arguing that this is simply the TV having its settings changed.
I disagree and I'll explain why.
But here's the video.
There's actually no audio, so I play it for you.
You can see here on CNN, Trump looks pretty orange when you go to Fox.
He does not look orange at all.
Interesting. The speculation, of course, is that CNN made Trump look orange.
Take a look at the reds on the left, on the Fox News lower graphic chyron, and the reds on the right, on CNN.
I don't see that big of a difference.
No. They look pretty comparable.
tiffany cianci
The flag reds are the ones I'm interested in, and they look pretty comparable, too.
tim pool
I would actually argue that the flag behind Trump on the left side Looks a little more red, but we can't see it.
More vibrant, but here's the issue.
If a filter were to be applied, the reason why I believe it is true they applied a filter, I'll say it one more time.
The Chiron for breaking news looks like the same red as the Fox News red.
They don't look brighter.
I mean, it's a bright orange up here, or it's like a reddish, you know, brighter here, it's brighter here.
This is the White House camera feed.
CNN wouldn't apply saturation I'm gonna go ahead and say,
My belief upon observing of the video is that this is not the TV being manipulated.
This is CNN manipulating Trump.
And I'll also add Joe Rogan.
When CNN aired footage of Joe Rogan, he looked gray and sickly.
And when they talked about how he was prescribed ivermectin, they put a little horse symbol on the screen as they described what it was.
These are not honest actors.
phil labonte
It's my thought, or I could be misremembering, but I thought that CNN had said that they were going to try to move away from this kind of stuff.
tim pool
You can't stop one producer.
But you know what this does?
The question then becomes, why?
Why do it?
tiffany cianci
Did you see Joe Rogan's interaction with a CNN journalist that came on his show?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
tiffany cianci
And it was like, I mean, he was aggressively like, why are you okay with this?
Why are you okay with these deceptive practices?
I mean, he really went for it.
tim pool
The question for this story is why would they make Trump look orange?
When you watch Family Guy, and Family Guy satirizes Trump, they made him look bright orange.
When you watch SNL, when you watch these parodies on the left, they always make Trump look as orange as they can.
They're trying to add grains of sand to the heap that Trump is a clown, he's an unserious person, he's laughable and crazy.
But when you watch Trump in reality on Fox News, he does not look that orange.
This is not the first time we've seen stories.
There have been numerous photos that have been published in the press, written, where they have a photo attached to it, where Trump has been saturated to look orange.
What happens then is, a liberal says, he's disgusting, why does he do this?
Why do we have an orange clown for our president?
But people who have been to Trump's rallies are like, what are you talking about?
So I was asked, how do you know it's not Fox News making Trump look better?
And I said, because I've met Trump in person and he's not orange.
phil labonte
Fair enough.
tiffany cianci
I'll be honest, the skeptic or the cynic in me feels like this kind of stuff is just dropped into the news feed intentionally to keep us from paying attention to real issues and to keep us arguing about stuff that is super irrelevant.
tim pool
Maybe. I don't believe that CNN called up Fox News and said, hey, we're gonna...
tiffany cianci
Yeah, no, no, no, I get it.
tim pool
But it's possible that, you know, CNN was like, we'll get clicks, we'll get a lot of attention from this.
tiffany cianci
Yeah, that I think is more likely.
phil labonte
I mean, honestly, yeah, I would say that might be a motivation.
Otherwise, I mean, just to discredit him, they have...
Sure, they could.
They have an army of people that get on there and, you know, say Orange Man bad every night, and they have for the past, you know, ten years or whatever.
So, I find it uncompelling or redundant, I guess.
tim pool
I suppose they're trying to create a perception of Trump among the left, and they've succeeded in doing it.
phil labonte
You think they're just trying to feed their red meat to their base?
tim pool
No, I think they're trying to make sure the bureaucratic state, the administrative state, wants to make sure that people can't be exposed to reality.
Like, how is it that Daniel Negreanu, famous poker player, came on the show and he told us a great story.
The very fine people hoax.
Trump said Nazis were very fine people.
He said, I saw the video of it.
I've seen it.
I've seen it.
And then the conservative is like, so then you know he didn't say that.
I'm like, what do you mean?
I've seen it.
He did say it.
And it creates this confusion.
For Negrano, he said, the dude slid him his phone.
He said, OK, fine, I'll watch.
And then he saw the full thing.
Yeah. This is
what the corporate press does all the time.
And if somebody read that quote and their friend went to them and said, do you see what so-and-so said?
They're like, I read it.
I read it in the Times.
I know exactly what he said.
They'll go, really?
And you're mad at him for it?
They'll be like, yes.
This is what they're doing with Trump when they edit his image or when they lie about what he says.
They're making it difficult for those of us in anti-establishment media, those who support Trump, to actually get the truth to people.
So I'll say this.
To the people who are like, I just can't convince my liberal aunt, like, no matter what.
It's because, in her mind, she already saw the video.
There's a 10-second video where Trump says, they were very fine people on both sides, and that's all she saw.
And then you have a 30-second video where he says, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis or the white nationalists, they should be condemned totally.
But every time you say, Aunt Ruth, watch the video, she goes, I've already seen it.
I've already seen it, I don't need to watch it.
phil labonte
Yeah, the the fact that the I mean that the very fine people hoaxes is still alive and well And it's actually kind of remarkable that it has that kind of state and Biden ran on it.
Yeah, that's amazing Biden ran on and I mean there's Kamala Harris was saying oh, hey There he said there were very fine people Barack Obama said the same thing and this was in the in the campaign just this past fall You know like they were still making those remarks.
tim pool
Well, that was actually I believe Negrano mentioned that as well Yeah.
phil labonte
Yeah. I have to re-evaluate everything that I know about this guy now.
Because this is what I would have sworn up and down.
I believed.
Totally that that is what he said because I saw the the end of the edited video and then when I saw the actual whole video It may it'll admit it makes me reevaluate everything that I thought I believed, you know I had Robert F. Kennedy jr.
tiffany cianci
On my live tick-tock town hall show four times and one of the things people wanted me to ask you about regularly were the jabs right not not the code ones but just in general a lot of people saw a clip from a A podcast he did where they asked him about whether or not he thought there was anything such thing as a safe.
I'm just going to do this so that there's no censorship over here.
Safe vaccines.
But he started to say, I don't believe there's any such thing.
as a safe vaccine without double blind testing and the strict standard scrutinization of science that we do on all pharmaceuticals.
And that podcast cut it down to, I don't believe there's any such thing as a safe vaccine.
He was quoted on that quote more than 10,000 times over the course of his entire, and over and over again, people would get mad at me that I had him on my cast.
First of all, you need to have him on.
You can't ask the question if you don't have somebody in front of you.
I'll talk to him.
I don't care how much I disagree with him.
But that one quote, I saw the full version and I saw that, and every news outlet in America took that one half a clip without the rest of it and ran.
tim pool
Factual but not truthful.
But you know what?
I love this.
I want to create some of those moments.
I hate Elad when he brings pineapple pizza.
Come on, Elad!
unidentified
You know, I love you, man, but you got to bring pepperoni!
tim pool
I refuse to eat pizza.
That has broccoli on it.
I just don't know.
Why would anyone do that?
Let's just make as many of those quotes as we can and give the press an opportunity to say Tim hates a lot.
Tim refuses to eat pizza.
I think ribs are awful when they're soaked in vinegar.
elad eliahu
Don't go to North Carolina What's the have you heard this RFK jr.
Alleged blackmail stuff, I don't do you think I don't want to dive into a whole thing But just since you mentioned RFK jr.
I don't know.
Do you believe there's something funky going on there and based on something more than just conjecture because I mean, I know there's been a lot of just conjecture about I don't know.
Everything, you know, we're just talking about the fine people hoax a moment ago.
Everything on the internet is just people throwing mud at one another and seeing what sticks.
unidentified
I don't know anything to that.
tiffany cianci
I'm going to say this.
I am somebody that believes that there are institutions that have lots of blackmail on almost everybody that we elect.
elad eliahu
That's like so unprovable and it's such like an easy thing to, I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Like we can't ever prove that.
So there's no way for anybody to say, I don't know.
Is there blackmail on Tim Pool?
And how do you know so?
tiffany cianci
I mean, I think Tim wouldn't care what anybody thought about him.
unidentified
What do you mean?
tim pool
You're blackmailing me.
elad eliahu
Well, that's why you said you hated me.
tim pool
That's why he's on the show.
I have no choice.
elad eliahu
Well, I'm your APAC handler.
tim pool
He's going to release those photos of me eating vinegar ribs and pineapple pizza.
tiffany cianci
I think that there are handlers.
I'm actually a deep state skeptic.
I do know that Ian was down in Nashville, I think, today, filming with Candace Owens on this issue.
I haven't gotten to listen to it yet.
elad eliahu
Tim, so this is the funny part.
So although you're fairly certain that there's nothing going on with RFK Jr., right?
tim pool
I didn't say that.
elad eliahu
Oh, you think he's being blackmailed?
tim pool
No. What, you said I'm fairly certain?
elad eliahu
No, it's just because we do hear so much of this conjecture, and I think there's just, it's interesting how so people are so certain that there is blackmail on him again.
tim pool
I don't know if there is or isn't, that's why it's a moot point.
When people go online and say, ooh, I bet there's something sliced, like, okay, show me some evidence and we'll talk about it.
elad eliahu
Yeah, well, I think that's the funny part, that there are some people who, again, think...
tim pool
I mean, I gotta be honest, when I was trying to buy The Daily Wear...
elad eliahu
That was the craziest thing that people thought you'd have enough money to buy the Daily Wire.
tim pool
Yeah, my dad owns an emerald mine in South Africa.
Did you know that?
elad eliahu
I've been an employee here for a while, and it's just such a crazy thing.
I don't know much about...
tim pool
You've never been an employee here.
elad eliahu
Not an employee, but a contractor here for some time, and it was just such a crazy thing to even fathom.
tim pool
About my dad's emerald mine?
tiffany cianci
If you read any of the transcripts of testimony from the cases that were actually brought about Epstein-Weinstein, or what's starting to come out with the Diddy stuff, I believe there's a lot of people that have blackmail on a lot of people.
I'm just going to say that.
I've read a lot of the transcripts of the victims and there's repeated testimony about blackmail tapes.
No, no, no.
They're testifying that they were abused people that were part of tapes that were being made for blackmail.
There's a lot of testimony.
elad eliahu
Are you saying that about RFK Jr. specifically, or just a lot of people?
tiffany cianci
No, no, no.
I'm saying that there is specific testimony about specific members, even of Congress, where they've talked about congressional members that were brought into the room and forced to do things, and they were part of the victims in that circumstance.
I've heard those tapes.
I've listened to that testimony.
I've read those transcripts.
I'm not going to say I haven't seen it, so I can't say that.
But there's been consistent testimony across several victims that makes you think that there might be something to it for me.
tim pool
Well, I don't think it's fair to call it inflation.
I mean, a lot just facilitates my Mossad payments so that I can tow the line.
elad eliahu
Everybody needs their handler nowadays.
Yeah. We need a Rangel Massey backup.
That's why he was the one guy who voted no.
tiffany cianci
In other news, I'm really excited that hopefully Thomas Massey is coming on my TikTok town hall in the next couple of weeks.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story from Mediaite.
Quote, we are not kidding.
CNN's Danabash roasts Trump for slapping tariffs on an Arctic island inhabited solely by penguins.
Let me play this video for you.
There you go.
Mediaite's always crashing.
unidentified
Listen to No one is safe from President Trump's new tariffs.
Not even penguins.
A remote island near Antarctica that is home to mainly penguins, no humans, is now subject to a 10% American tariff.
This is not a joke.
We are not kidding.
These penguins, who do not trade goods or services with the United States, as far as we know, are on the receiving end of a new tax.
My panel is back.
Let's just get some of the headlines up about that.
tim pool
That's a non-tariff trade barrier.
unidentified
Okay, well that's true.
And they need to fix it.
I mean it's not gonna--We are currency manipulators par excellence.
tim pool
I'm going to say it right now.
You are cognitively deficient if you believe anything they're saying.
At least Newsweek is willing to break it down for us.
The islands were included because they're Australian territory, said a White House official.
And they also mention the tariffs are part of a new plan, blah blah blah.
Well, here's the headline.
Donald Trump puts tariffs on islands inhabited only by penguins.
I don't like the headline.
However, when they go in to the story, they actually point out, guess what?
There are fisheries.
World Bank data shows that in 2022, the U.S. imported $1.4 million worth of goods from Heard Island and McDonald Islands, mostly classified as machinery and electrical products.
Despite the fact the island has no buildings or people, however, it does have a fishery.
It is unclear what the imported products were.
In the previous five years, imports ranged from $15,000 to $325,000.
So, let's start with the, perhaps the people at CNN are just developmentally disabled, and they're like, there's no people there, they're tariffing penguins.
Or perhaps they're intentionally lying to you, so you think Trump is a buffoon.
But in reality, the Trump administration said, we don't care where you're selling the products from, these are islands and territories that have transferred products and machines to the United States, you get a tariff too.
phil labonte
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know what the situation is about the terrorist of the penguins of the Penguin Island.
I only heard the headlines or whatever.
But if it's about fisheries, then I don't see why...
tim pool
CNN's lying?
And laughing?
And they literally said, we are not joking.
Trump is terrorizing an island inhabited by penguins.
And it's like, It's for the fisheries off the coast.
It's Australian territory, and people work there.
tiffany cianci
I'm going to say what I said earlier, which is that there is plenty of substantive stuff they could be talking about to educate the American population about tariffs.
This is a hyperbolic, inflated headline that is designed to create division and distract from actual topics that are relevant to the working class of America.
They could talk about substantive tariff issues if they wanted to.
They're just seeking clicks, and that's what this is, and I think it's silly.
phil labonte
I mean of course it's silly but I think that I mean I feel like it's it's just more of the same you know it's more the same just slander of of the administration.
tim pool
I can't I can't believe we're 10 years in and they're still doing it.
That's just remarkable to me.
The man won the popular vote, and CNN is still playing this game.
Their ratings couldn't get lower.
In fact, the people who watch CNN are probably forced to do it like Clockwork Orange.
phil labonte
It's not just CNN, though.
tiffany cianci
My live stream show has higher ratings than all of the CNN evening shows.
tim pool
Of course!
tiffany cianci
And I'm a nobody.
phil labonte
But it's not just CNN.
It's the entirety of the, you know, Democrat establishment.
They all are doing all of the same things, whether it be, you know, Donald Trump is, you know, is There's this one Democrat operative that's making the exact same comments about people on the right.
She's been making them forever.
She said that something that Jeremy from the Quartering said, she said that now they're doing full-on National Socialism, which is just a rehash of their Nazis.
I mean, obviously.
It wasn't They're in disarray.
The Democrats and the left, they have no coherent message because they have no leadership and because the people have rejected what they're offering and Donald Trump has taken the working class from them.
tim pool
Well, Ilad, now that you're best friends with these people, I mean, what do you have to say for yourself?
You're hanging out with them in the White House all day.
unidentified
What do you mean?
phil labonte
Yeah, what's up with that?
tim pool
Yeah, what's going on?
tiffany cianci
You put in a good word for me.
I've been applying for the new media seat every week for the last month.
elad eliahu
You might have to drop the RFK slander.
I'm sorry, where were we?
tiffany cianci
RFK loves my show!
tim pool
I was asking in all seriousness, you know, you were in the White House.
elad eliahu
I was there today, yeah.
tim pool
And so you're actually surrounded by a lot of these people.
Would you describe them as smarmy or just evil?
elad eliahu
Smarmy. They have a monopoly.
The White House Correspondents Association, they used to have a monopoly on coverage.
And you could tell that all of them are on the same page.
Whatever the front page news is of the day is what you can expect the whole front row of people to be asking and constantly berating Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt with.
Despite her answering the question, they'll ask her the same thing four different ways and kind of just waste her time, frustrate her until somebody else can get hit in with another topic.
tim pool
What's the point of the briefing?
elad eliahu
It's so Caitlin Collins could look like a movie star on CNN, like they're fighting, so they could have one shot of Caitlin Collins and then it's like she's arguing back and forth fighting fascism against Caroline Leavitt.
That's the idea.
It's like a TV drama.
With the way CNN sets up the cameras too, and then if you watch how they signal it out, it's...
tim pool
I would love that job.
Press Secretary?
elad eliahu
I'm envious of Caroline Love but she does a great job.
tim pool
There would never be a real answer from that podium while I was working that job.
The journalists would be like...
They don't deserve it.
In Pres.
Poole, there's this report that Donald Trump is saying he thinks the market will be fine despite this global selloff.
Does the administration plan to accept this drop in the market?
And then I would be like, okay.
And then I drew a picture of a cat.
There you go.
You can have it.
I signed it for you.
That's all they'd get.
And I'd also order DoorDash.
And I'd be like, you, no, no, don't ask the question.
What do you want from Chipotle?
Would you like the carnitas or the sofritas?
Because you look like a vegan.
elad eliahu
Yeah. Well, you know, the White House is actually addressing this because there have been reports that they're planning on tossing out the official White House seating arrangement in the press briefing room.
They're already changing up who is allowed on White House grounds to be a journalist and cover it.
The White House Correspondents Association used to have Monopoly on it, and now they're actually very shook about what the future of their association looks like.
Eugene Daniels is a guy from Politico and the current president of the White House Correspondents Association, and it looks like under his watch, we're actually going to see this deteriorate and then become a completely irrelevant association.
The White House Correspondents Association has no actual power that wasn't granted to them by the White House.
The White House actually has all the power and what they says go.
The White House Correspondents Association only has power based on tradition from- Absolutely.
She could make the seating chart.
The White House Correspondents Association only has a seating chart because they allow them to.
tim pool
It'd just be a party.
And what I would do is, I would want...
Are there any windows to the outside?
Yes. I want them all to look in the window while we have disco lights, music, and we'd have catering, and we'd just be...
And they're not welcome in.
I am kidding, but I want people to understand...
elad eliahu
Do you want to hear their threat when they say you won't let them back?
tim pool
My point is...
What I'm describing is how they view it.
So when I'm saying we'd lock them out and have a party, this is what the White House Correspondents Association had been doing the whole time.
Only they were allowed in and everyone else had to look through the window and watch them have their party.
elad eliahu
There's been reporting now that if they are stripped of their seating chart, they plan to have a sit-in.
So they actually plan to take coverage away from independent journalists and different people in the room if they are disallowed.
So if they change the seating chart, they want to actually take My ability to cover the White House from me, based on- Did you apply through the Correspondents Association to get your seat?
I did not apply through the White House Correspondents Association.
tiffany cianci
Okay, so I have applied through the White House Correspondents Association.
I have tried three times.
elad eliahu
Would you meet- I'm not gonna give you access!
I don't think you even have any requirements.
tiffany cianci
No, but they said I had to try, because I've been invited to CPAC and I've been invited- Wait, wait, wait, the White House said you had to?
So when I sent my email to the press office and I wanted to go to the RNC, the DNC, I wanted to go to all of the national conventions this year, I was directed to the White House Correspondents Association and they said that you have to apply here.
So I did.
I applied.
I sent in my metrics.
I sent in 60 articles that I've given quotes in.
I sent in examples of my op-eds that I've had published.
And if I didn't have a credential from one of their current publications, I was not allowed to be considered.
And I could not provide them a credential that I had a full-time job with one of theirs because I was freelancing for all of these places and I had my TikTok show.
And I was like, listen, I'm getting, you know, 250,000 views.
I'm interviewing all these presidential candidates.
I'd really like to be...
I'll pay my dues.
Let's go!
And they're like, absolutely not.
Get out.
elad eliahu
They exist to protect one another and the powerful interests of their...
tim pool
Why don't they just kick them out?
elad eliahu
It's kind of that simple.
Why don't they kick them out?
Because CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, they do actually provide coverage of the White House.
tim pool
It's lies!
I mean, look, we just showed they lied about Penguin Island.
tiffany cianci
Even Fox defends them.
Because they're members.
elad eliahu
No, but because they get access.
That's why they defend them.
They protect each other because they all allow each other to get access and keep people like us out, by the way.
tim pool
It's Peter Doocy, right?
Yes. In the White House?
Because he's got a Zed.
I always mix their names up.
He actually asks challenging questions of Carolyn Leavitt.
elad eliahu
Yeah, sometimes.
tim pool
Sometimes, for sure.
But I don't understand why they don't just say, uh, everybody out.
elad eliahu
Uh, because it would be an attack on the freedom of the press, the First Amendment in our country, and Trump is a fascist and fascism is coming back.
That's what they'd say.
tim pool
They already say it.
phil labonte
They're gonna say that no matter what.
tim pool
They're saying it literally right now.
elad eliahu
Hey, you should meet with President Trump and pitch him that.
tim pool
I hear he's meeting with people and he's- Trump, let me stand at that podium and one by one say, uh, sir, your name?
Jim Smith?
Get out.
tiffany cianci
There are members of the new media that are getting substantially higher views than standard evening news broadcasts.
tim pool
I want James O'Keefe to moonwalk in front of that podium while he kicks these people out and says, fake press gotta go.
tiffany cianci
I love James.
tim pool
He's great.
I just want him to moonwalk while he does it.
tiffany cianci
Have you ever been to one of his parties he's DJing?
Yes. He's a great DJ.
He's actually really good.
He gave me a whole lesson a couple weeks ago at a party.
He let me like stand back there with the headphones and learn how to do things.
It was so much fun.
Nice. It was so much fun.
phil labonte
He's a very kind man.
tim pool
All right, everybody, let's jump to this next story from the Post Millennial.
It is the Summer of Love 2.0.
It has just kicked off Antifa Attacks TPUSA tabling event featuring Brandon Tatum at UC Davis gear stolen and students assaulted.
Check this out.
unidentified
Watch out.
Watch out.
Hey, don't shout.
Hey, Jackson, don't shout out.
Hey. Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
Yo, Tatum's not gonna mess around.
They just stole the gazebo?
phil labonte
Do whatever you want.
tim pool
Do whatever you want all the time.
They're not even doing anything.
I don't get it.
elad eliahu
They mugged him.
They stole his stuff and mugged him.
tim pool
Yep, the cops are like, all right.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
tim pool
Are they playing that EDM?
elad eliahu
Do they do that to try to copyright him while he's filming?
last copywriter music.
unidentified
Aw. Yeah.
tim pool
I was dancing.
Well, I don't know if this means Summer of Love 2.0 definitively, but I'm hearing from a lot of the on-the-ground riot reporters that it feels like it's getting hot and it's going to be big.
phil labonte
I mean, we were talking about this earlier.
My inclination or my intuition is that there is not going to be a catalyst Like the George like the George Floyd situation that in that will involve the normies That's not to say Antifa won't be all riled up and doing things like doing things like this But this is this is typical Antifa behavior.
This is the stuff that they normally do go in there Essentially, they just go in they harass, you know conservatives and stuff.
Will they attack?
You know, will they be attacking Tesla owners individually?
I don't know.
I don't get the sense that they will That seems more like something that...
tim pool
They've done it.
phil labonte
I'm talking about en masse.
tiffany cianci
They're also saving 20 years for one of them.
tim pool
A large protest happened in front of a Tesla facility and some guy got arrested for flashing the employee's eyes with a green laser.
And so the police tracked the guy down, arrested him with the green laser.
One of the employees, uh, three employees said that they were injured by it.
They were, their, their, their eyes were blurry and that they were having headaches or whatever.
One person left because he didn't want to be there while the protests were going on because they had flashed him in the eyes of the laser.
phil labonte
Well, I still don't, I still don't get the sense that you're going to see large scale Antifa attacking, you know, the way that it was during the Summer of Love.
tiffany cianci
Based on where we are right now, I don't see that.
Anything could change at any moment.
Any catalyst could happen.
But I do believe, and I'm a free speech absolutist, I'm a Walter Brandeisian style free speech absolutist, that no one ever has a right to go and interrupt somebody else's protest.
You want to protest?
You go stand on your side with your permit and you scream louder.
Nobody has a right to attack anyone that's protesting anything.
tim pool
They firebombed buildings numerous occasions.
There's been around 20 or so attacks on Teslas and Tesla charging stations and there's an untold number of attacks on Tesla vehicles already.
Why would it stop?
tiffany cianci
I mean people are figuring out that they have 12 cameras facing every angle and they're gonna get caught.
tim pool
Nope! There's a video, two videos in fact, where a mother and their children flick the camera off as they vandalize the car.
tiffany cianci
I mean then it's gonna take the prosecutions that just started.
Pam Bondi just announced 20 years sentence she's seeking.
tim pool
So I want to just add to that.
These people seem to be doing it on purpose for attention.
They know they'll get arrested, but they also know they'll get a million views.
tiffany cianci
Totally possible.
I don't agree with anyone ever defacing property.
I don't agree with anybody impugning anybody else's ability.
tim pool
My point is, if it is already worse now than it was in the past years, what is the logic behind, I don't see it happening?
tiffany cianci
I'm not saying I don't see protests.
I don't see George Floyd-level protests without a more significant catalyst than we have now.
elad eliahu
If this was Trump's first administration, there would have been violence, in my estimation.
But with Antifa coming up like this, I also think the Trump administration is cracking down on different kind of campus protests by withholding funding or trying to strip back funding from different campuses that are allowing stuff like this to occur.
Obviously, Secretary of State Marco Rubio has been doing a good job getting anti-American, anti-leftists deported out of our country, stripping away visas from people like this.
There was something I actually planned on inquiring with the administration about, and that's about mask bans at different protests for different reasons.
In New York, on a part of Long Island, Bruce Blakeman actually banned masks at different protest events.
Governor Kathy Hochul is considering this.
Donald Trump would have the ability to ban masks at protests on D.C.
We've seen people waving anti-American flag support for terrorism with their faces covered at these different events, and I think that's another aspect.
I want to be clear.
tiffany cianci
I, again, free speech absolutist.
The answer to any kind of speech that is hateful, that is unjust, that is lies, that is hurtful, is always more speech to drown it out.
I don't agree with harming people physically.
elad eliahu
Can I ask you, you're a free speech absolutist.
Can you advocate for the murder of somebody else then?
tiffany cianci
Can someone say that?
Absolutely they can.
It's my job to scream louder.
tim pool
Free speech absolutists believe you can direct someone to commit a crime.
elad eliahu
Sure. I just wasn't sure how far you actually go with your absenteeism.
unidentified
It's my job to scream louder.
tiffany cianci
It's my job to be the louder voice.
It's never to censor.
Ever. And the counter speech doctrine written by Walter Brandeis still stands today.
It's cited by the Supreme Court all the time.
The answer is never ever the silencing of hate speech, like ugly speech, untruthful speech.
It is always to be the louder voice, to scream louder, to say more, to be the truthful one, to be the kind one.
elad eliahu
Slander. Does that include slander?
Can we slander people?
tiffany cianci
I mean, if it's a crime that's causing them financial harm, they can take you to court.
elad eliahu
There are types of- But would my free speech to slander you- I know this sounds- I'm a public figure.
tiffany cianci
It would be almost impossible for me to sue you.
tim pool
Not if he called you a pedophile.
tiffany cianci
Yeah, if I- I mean, sure.
Like, if you accuse me of a crime and it caused me harm, like, there are- So that's the limit to my free speech?
No, you could probably do it.
elad eliahu
You wouldn't support laws banning me from doing so, I guess so.
tiffany cianci
I don't support silencing speech.
I'm a free speech absolutist.
tim pool
What about obscenities?
tiffany cianci
I'm a free speech absolutist.
tim pool
So, like, someone should be able to walk around a playground with pictures of adults having sex?
tiffany cianci
That's not the same as speaking, first of all.
If they were saying things like that, like, to your children, I don't know.
tim pool
Signs are not free speech?
tiffany cianci
Signs are not free speech.
If you're holding a sign, I assume you have free speech to hold that sign if you have the permits necessary wherever you are.
tim pool
So can someone hold up a sign that says, um, no taxes?
tiffany cianci
If there's no loitering there and they don't have a permit, no.
But if they have a permit and they're allowed to be there, yes.
tim pool
You need a permit?
tiffany cianci
On public land, you need a permit to do lots of types of protests.
tim pool
That's not free speech absolutism.
tiffany cianci
I'm a free speech absolutist that you should never be able to censor speech.
Even when I don't like it, even when it hurts my kids, even when it hurts things I care about, I don't agree with it.
tim pool
Define speech.
tiffany cianci
I don't agree that...
There's one kind of speech I don't agree with.
tim pool
Well, I actually think it is kind of ironic considering TikTok is the most censorious platform available right now.
tiffany cianci
I mean, from what I hear, they're asking us to point out anything we think is being censored so that they can- So it's elitist and censorious.
I don't think they're elitist, no.
I think that they actually advocate for the working class and provide small businesses with more opportunity than any other social media platform.
elad eliahu
You sound like you almost are a lobbyist on behalf of TikTok.
tiffany cianci
Nope, I'm not a lobbyist on behalf of them.
I'm a small business advocate.
tim pool
TikTok banned us because they said our opinions are outside of their shared reality.
tiffany cianci
I don't agree with that, and I think you should appeal it, and I think you should go talk to them and get your coverage stated.
elad eliahu
Do you think you're allowed to talk about Taiwan or the Uyghur genocide or Hong Kong independence on TikTok?
tiffany cianci
I talk about crazy issues like that all the time on TikTok.
elad eliahu
No, but that specifically?
Not like that.
You talk about Hong Kong independence and the Uyghur genocide in China and they don't buy you on TikTok?
tiffany cianci
I have literally spoken to Dr. Jill Stein and I talked about that when I had her on.
elad eliahu
Wow. Okay.
Because they actually have a history of that.
I know that.
tim pool
Let's dive into this for a little bit.
So you don't believe in a right to Universal assembly.
Meaning, certain grounds in the public sphere require permitting from a public source.
tiffany cianci
I mean, if it's private property, not just anybody can come walk into my, like, my, like, home or...
tim pool
Public property.
tiffany cianci
Public property.
Say it again, then.
tim pool
So, I said, can you hold up a sign?
You said, you would need a permit.
tiffany cianci
If you need a permit for that location, because it's a no-loitering area, I would assume you need a permit.
You have to follow the laws, but once you have complied with the laws, you should be able to say whatever you're there to say.
tim pool
Do you think it would be okay for someone to describe graphic sexual depictions I don't agree with it.
tiffany cianci
But it's my job to scream louder and chase them out of there.
I don't agree with it.
I don't agree with them doing that.
But I don't agree with censoring something if it's legally allowed.
I would defend the KK's right.
The KKK is right to march.
I don't agree with it.
tim pool
I think it's disgusting.
tiffany cianci
But it's my duty to defend it.
tim pool
You said chase them out.
Do you mean that figuratively or literally?
tiffany cianci
I mean that with my voice.
I don't mean that I should chase them anywhere.
I mean my voice should be louder.
I should bring more people.
I should have the louder assembly.
tim pool
Okay, can a person hold up a sign that says no taxes in public?
Yeah. With children all around them?
tiffany cianci
With no taxes?
tim pool
Yeah, the whole sign says no taxes!
And he's in front of children everywhere.
tiffany cianci
If they're legally allowed to be wherever the children are, It's Times Square.
tim pool
Can he hold up a picture of the Monopoly guy yelling no taxes?
tiffany cianci
I mean, if it's a trademark violation, then that would be a civil issue.
But I don't care if he holds up the Monopoly guy saying it.
tim pool
Is that free speech?
tiffany cianci
Is that free speech?
I mean, I would think so, yeah.
tim pool
What if the Monopoly guy is naked?
tiffany cianci
Again, I don't have to like it, but if he's legally allowed to be there and it is speech, yes.
tim pool
So that actually is illegal.
tiffany cianci
So again, not legal.
I don't agree.
If they're not doing something illegal, I agree with it.
tim pool
But my question is for you philosophically.
tiffany cianci
I mean, can we hold up the Nirvana album with the naked baby under the water?
tim pool
There's a, uh, actually, yeah.
tiffany cianci
It's on a lot of t-shirts.
People walk around in it every day.
tim pool
It's true.
And it violates in a lot of places.
You will get arrested for that.
New York probably wouldn't arrest you for the Nirvana album, because it's a baby that's naked.
But the issue is, people will say they're free speech absolutists, but I tend to find that they're usually not.
tiffany cianci
I am.
tim pool
So, we then have to question what you mean by speech, because I certainly don't think you would agree with a man holding up a sign showing two adults having sex in front of children.
tiffany cianci
I don't agree with their decision to do it.
But I, again, Would I be the one screaming louder that they're idiots for doing it?
Absolutely, that's my duty.
tim pool
You're screaming at a guy but he's holding up an image.
tiffany cianci
Okay? And then, that's still my duty to respond louder.
tim pool
I wouldn't let them do it.
I'd say the police should arrest them.
I think that should be illegal.
tiffany cianci
I mean...
If the police find it to be illegal, they will.
tim pool
Do you think that teachers should be allowed to tell children about gay sex, like in that book, This Book is Gay?
tiffany cianci
First of all, when you're at work, that is not the same thing.
When you are being paid to do a job, you do not have unfettered free speech when you're working on behalf of an employer.
tim pool
What about putting the book in a library?
tiffany cianci
Putting a book in a library?
I don't agree with banning any book.
tim pool
So if the book tells children how to use Grindr, you're okay with that?
tiffany cianci
I don't like it.
I can control my children, I can decide what they see, I can see what they bring home from the library.
tim pool
But what if they just read it at the library and you don't know?
tiffany cianci
If it's in a public library?
Yep. Again, I don't agree with banning any book.
Because whatever they can ban on one side, they can ban on the other.
tim pool
What about in school curriculums?
tiffany cianci
For whatever side you're on.
tim pool
What about in school curriculums?
tiffany cianci
School curriculums are not the same thing.
Free speech is not the same thing as a school curriculum.
tim pool
So you would say, would you say to a school, do not put those books?
tiffany cianci
Do not put those books, what, in a curriculum?
Yeah. It's, as a parent, I would advocate.
I think it's my duty to advocate for my kids.
tim pool
Would you take your kids out of the school if they were teaching that?
tiffany cianci
If they were teaching what specifically?
So in, in, uh, it was in Illinois- Just so you know, I did take my kids out of a school and move them to a school I'm more closely aligned with.
tim pool
In Illinois, there was a teacher who is showing, uh, 10 and 12 year olds a book called, quote, This Book is Gay.
It's the name of the book.
And in it, it just, it, it explains how to use Grindr for gay hookups.
Again- The parent's called the police on her.
tiffany cianci
And I'm gonna say this again and again and again.
Nobody has free speech in the course of their work.
And so if the school is ordering them to do that, parents should be turning out and screaming loud in their protest.
But there has never been any government in the history of the world that was on the right side of history when they censored their people.
tim pool
Do you think the United States was on the right side of history in World War II?
tiffany cianci
Were we on the right side of history?
Yeah, but we made huge mistakes.
tim pool
So you said there was never a country in history that was on the right side of history when they censored their people?
tiffany cianci
Censorship is never the way.
tim pool
Ever. So, any country that censored their people was on the wrong side of history?
tiffany cianci
If that's what they were doing to further their agenda, yeah.
tim pool
Like the United States did in World War II?
tiffany cianci
I would not agree with that part, no.
tim pool
With the U.S. Office of Censorship.
And most famously, the line, loose lips sink ships.
tiffany cianci
Yes, no, I don't agree.
tim pool
So, then it would not be true that any country that censored their people is on the wrong side of history?
tiffany cianci
I have never seen any country that has censored their people that was right or just in doing so, no matter what the outcome is.
I'm a utilitarian, but I don't believe that the outcome can justify the means if you're giving up a fundamental right to get there.
Because they cannot give it back.
Just because we got it back in World War II doesn't mean we would get it back the next time.
Okay? We wouldn't.
tim pool
Doesn't mean you wouldn't either.
tiffany cianci
Our founding fathers created Our Bill of Rights, the First Amendment, when they created the Constitution and the amendments and everything that our country fought for.
One, the First Amendment was first because it is the bedrock upon which all of our rights are built.
tim pool
That is wrong.
tiffany cianci
We cannot advocate for any other right without the First Amendment.
We lose our ability to do so.
tim pool
Actually, there were 17 articles first proposed, which were whittled down to the 10 in the Bill of Rights.
tiffany cianci
Some of them were combined, and the first, I believe, was actually was the salaries The final First Amendment was decided as the First Amendment and it was stated so because without the freedom of the press, without freedom of speech, we lose the ability to advocate in defense of the rest.
tim pool
Did you know that for almost the entirety of American history, blasphemy was illegal, obscenity was illegal, swearing in public was illegal?
So the Founding Fathers did not believe what you're saying.
tiffany cianci
I am telling you that I believe it.
tim pool
Sure, sure.
But the argument that the Founding Fathers said the First Amendment is the most important only applied to the ideas they deemed acceptable.
They actually didn't believe in free speech as you describe it.
They thought that if a person went outside and said a swear, that they should be arrested.
And in fact, up until the 70s, people were being arrested for swearing in public.
tiffany cianci
Fortunately, they didn't write it in the First Amendment, thank heavens.
Because that's what I defend.
unidentified
Well, right.
tim pool
But the First Amendment only applies as you describe it in the past Maybe 20 years.
tiffany cianci
No, it hasn't been 20 years.
Like, Walter Brandeis was decades ago.
tim pool
You couldn't swear on TV.
tiffany cianci
Oh, I agree with you.
You couldn't swear on TV.
Those were privately owned networks.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
Those were public airwaves.
tiffany cianci
They governed airwaves.
tim pool
That's right.
And so the government, which shall make no law respecting the establishment of speech, banned certain speech on public airwaves.
tiffany cianci
And we got there.
There were lawsuits sufficient to get us there.
tim pool
So for hundreds of years, free speech did not exist in the country, and the statement of the Founding Fathers did not actually apply.
tiffany cianci
I believe it.
And I'll defend it all the way, no matter how bad it is.
tim pool
My only point is that we've constantly had this argument about the Bill of Rights and the way things should be, but as we interpret almost all the Bill of Rights, first, the Ninth and Tenth Amendments are the least applied amendments in terms of any and every law.
Let's just go ahead and say outright the Ninth and Tenth do not exist because there's no circumstance in which they're upheld.
The right of the states.
Just doesn't happen.
The federal government goes in and does whatever they want, whenever they want, even if they have no right to do it.
tiffany cianci
I think we're seeing a tilt back in that direction.
I think that there's possibility there for some landmark cases.
I really do.
tim pool
In terms of states' rights?
tiffany cianci
In restoration of states' rights.
I really do think that we have some possibility there on some landmark cases that are working their way through.
elad eliahu
I don't know the specific cases, but it seems as though the needle has only been pushing towards the federal government between states' rights and the federal government.
tim pool
Actually, right now, One of the things you're seeing with Donald Trump in these tariffs, he talked about eliminating the income tax and going to a tariff-only system.
When you gut the federal government and you no longer need to spend money on the federal government, tariffs might actually...
When Trump talks about how we used to be very wealthy when we were only in a tariff system, at the same time, the government was itty-bitty.
So Trump may actually mean it.
When Doge goes in and shuts everything down and fires all of these people, A lot of my followers absolutely hate my position on what's happening with the layoffs.
tiffany cianci
First of all, my husband is a federal attorney.
I'm somebody that could absolutely have a husband that loses her job.
To the federal layoffs.
Nobody is mad when they look back and they see it in 1996 when Ross Perot ran and got 18.9% of the vote.
It was so terrifying to both parties when he said he was going to slash the federal government by 90% and he was going to balance the budget.
Both sides were so scared of the 19% of the vote that he got that President Clinton took office and his first day in office said fire 125,000 people.
And they did.
And within three months, 375,000 people.
And they did.
And that was the last time we had a balanced budget and a surplus.
elad eliahu
I think we're really missing the elephant in the room here.
The reason why we're in so much debt is because of entitlements.
And no matter how much Elon Musk cuts a doge or whatever reform, we could cut the employees of the government by half.
But if we keep paying out Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and other entitlement programs at the current rate that we are, given our population curve, the math just doesn't make sense.
But it's also the third rail of politics.
Donald Trump, President Donald Trump will not touch this because he will sink in the polls as a result of this.
So I don't know where that really leads us.
But I feel like in the conversation about our debt and people struggling in the future and interest rates rising, all of this is a function of the debt that we keep adding to.
tim pool
I think the end result of where we're going, I don't know what the probability is, but I think Social Security evaporates.
It's the argument that I made.
So there's the Sam Seder argument versus the Tim Pool argument.
And I'm being somewhat facetious, but that was the conversation we had.
Sam Seder's argument, and I hope I'm getting this right, because as much as I think the guy is unlearned, his point was that Social Security is an economic driver.
His point was not that elderly people need access to funds, but that when you give money to the elderly, they spend it creating economic stimulus.
And that creates jobs and creates industry.
So this large group of people Basically, take the money from them, give it to them, and they'll all spend it.
That's the idea.
My idea was people should take care of their parents.
Parents take care of the babies, the babies take care of their parents when they get older.
We shouldn't be relying on the government because the system is dysfunctional and will ultimately become, you know, maybe insolvent isn't the right word, but Social Security today can't actually help an older person live.
There's no way you're living off Social Security.
So my view is, Let's go back to a family-oriented society where the children take care of their parents when those parents get old.
And if the parents have 10 babies, guess what?
They don't got to worry about much because those 10 kids are going to be able to help take care of those two parents.
So I think, based on what Trump is doing, there's a possibility to try and follow that route.
Something to that effect where Social Security is gone.
elad eliahu
We're robbing Peter to pay Paul, and if we had a bigger population, it could potentially be fixed, but our population curve is also part of the issue at hand, because we have less people contributing, and it ends up being a huge Ponzi scheme, because I'm paying into a program that I will see no money from.
I'd be better off holding that money and investing it myself.
phil labonte
I mean, it is a Ponzi scheme, but the only way that we can practically Can you Revenue coming in
and you will never tax rich people enough you tax all the rich people out of existence And you'll fund the government for six months.
You will never be able to tax enough to pay the debt.
You have to grow you have to Incentivize economic activity.
elad eliahu
That's the only I hope that's how we get there But I fear that our payments down on our interest is gonna you know outpace what we'd spend on defense It doesn't it.
phil labonte
Well, I mean the God forbid I mean it look it doesn't do it It's not whether or not we hope.
It's the only option.
Other options don't exist.
tiffany cianci
We we have a and like just going with what Tim just said and like the the possibility of going back to a family oriented society or a tribal society where we take care of each other.
The problem that we have right now with that even being plausible is that we have two generations in a row that can't take care of themselves.
They could never take care of their parents.
Never. Unless we figure out how to right this ship with the vast and disparate wealth inequality we have in America with the wrong bell curve with the reduction in birth rate with the How do you think we should address so-called income inequality?
And we have taken the onus away because of the vast monopolization and consolidation of our industries.
We have taken the onus away.
The further we've removed corporations and their headquarters from the communities they serve, which is a natural byproduct of sort of the crony capitalism we're living under right now.
But the more we've removed it, the less onus we have to reinvest anything.
I believe that we've incentivized the wrong types of investment in corporations, and we have to right that.
elad eliahu
So how do you want to address income inequality specifically?
tiffany cianci
Specifically? Because I hear this coming from the left.
elad eliahu
I left a lot.
That's why I ask and I know what they have in mind.
I don't know if you're coming...
tiffany cianci
Everybody can say tax the rich.
It wouldn't be enough.
What I believe is we need to change the way we incentivize corporations.
We need to re-incentivize business development at the small business level.
Right now, the SBA is really the only chance that small business has to get equity and it's actually pretty hard to do.
Right now, banks won't give loans to actual small businesses.
They give all their loans to big businesses.
So it's getting harder and harder to start or create entrepreneurship, which reduces competition.
But at the same time, we've incentivized tax breaks for doing terrible things to communities.
We've incentivized tax breaks for paying low wages.
We've incentivized tax breaks for offshoring labor.
What we should be doing is incentivizing tax breaks for those that reinvest in businesses here, that reinvest in better wages, that reinvest in...
in building America.
elad eliahu
So is that more regulation?
tim pool
That's what Trump's doing.
elad eliahu
That's more regulation or less regulation?
tiffany cianci
Look, I used to be an absolute libertarian that didn't believe in regulation.
I have had to learn a lot about the type of, like, corrupted capitalism we're living in.
I don't like it.
But I have not had a single meeting with a sit-down, die-hard, anti-regulatory libertarian that learned what I learned about- Well, they're not serious in any serious political way.
elad eliahu
Policy, they have no influence in government.
Nobody has- Let me finish up.
tiffany cianci
I have not had a single sit-down with a serious anti-regulatory libertarian that didn't learn from me what I have learned about where our crony capitalism is that didn't, at the end of that conversation, No, no,
no. It is at all times, as a mathematical endeavor, trying to get as close to slavery as it can, the most production for the least amount of output.
That is capitalism's mechanism.
It is only through guardrails that I think the regulation that you're arguing for would actually be counterproductive in the market.
tim pool
What's the regulation though?
elad eliahu
So she was implying, you were saying, essentially, like, the low wages that people are forced to take.
I don't think people are forced to take low wages.
tiffany cianci
I didn't say people are forced to take low wages.
I said we've incentivized low wages.
elad eliahu
Companies want to pay wages as low as they possibly can, that people are willing to accept, right?
tiffany cianci
Dodge vs.
Ford mandates it.
elad eliahu
Well, I think that makes sense in a capitalistic system.
Why would I pay somebody more than my company is able to pay them?
And then if you force me to pay them a minimum amount...
tim pool
You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.
That is...
The precedent is, a company must work towards the shareholder benefit, not their employees or company or community.
So what that turns into is, the company is incentivized, technically required, you can make the argument, I offered $100,000 a year for this job, and they took it.
The boss then says, you could have gotten them for 50.
Why'd you pay them so much?
And they'll create a report and they'll mention it.
And the shareholders can get mad and say, you are intentionally paying above market wages.
Well, the market should decide this, not the regulators.
tiffany cianci
The market is blind.
No, no, no, no, no.
elad eliahu
The market is not blind.
tiffany cianci
The market is blind.
tim pool
The shareholders have the priority.
elad eliahu
The market is people and demand is made up by the people in the market.
tiffany cianci
No, no, no, no, no.
Okay, so in free market capitalism, free market capitalism requires absolute transparency and the ability of the market to respond to bad behavior.
But when we hide bad behavior when we hide that accountability and when we incentivize when we've over Consolidated because we're not enforcing our antitrust laws.
We're not enforcing our anti-monopoly laws Okay, the market is not free to act when there is not unfettered competition Which we have allowed competition to be squeezed out in most of our industries.
Look at the tech sector Okay, we just talked about Apple at the beginning of this and now Apple hasn't had an actual innovation in 20x Great product.
elad eliahu
They're a successful company because people buy and like their products.
tiffany cianci
Apple? Microsoft?
elad eliahu
Nobody's forcing them to buy them.
tiffany cianci
First of all, there's a lot of ways that they force people to buy them through their walled gardens and the investment they already have.
elad eliahu
They're holding a gun to your head and telling you you have to buy these AirPods?
No! People choose to buy these Apple products.
tim pool
Right, so hold on.
So one thing you are wrong about a lot is that universities actually have deals.
elad eliahu
It's the exception, not the rule.
tim pool
No, it is not the rule.
Companies like Apple will, and I'm not going to say Apple specifically, although I do believe they have instances where they've done this, will go to a business and say, how much do you spend on your electronics?
And they'll say, our budget is a million bucks a year.
They'll say, we'll get you everything you need.
Give us a list at $950.
You'll save $50,000, but your employees have to use our product.
Done deal.
Then the employees are like, I got a job.
And they go, but you have to use this product.
And they'll go, I've never used it before.
I'm like, well, then you can't work here.
And so I've had dozens of people that I know say that their university mandated Apple products.
The Apple products cost 10 times as much as PC products.
And all they've done is rebrand Unix.
They've taken free open source software, slapped their logo on it.
And they charge a premium.
elad eliahu
People decide to purchase this overwhelmingly, though.
Okay, take it a step further.
Universities aren't the people forcing most people to buy iPhones or MacBooks or AirPods.
So it's choice.
People have the choice to buy these products, and they buy them because they like them.
I think what you're preaching now is...
Let's go a step further.
because you think the regulators know better than the people in the market.
You think regulators should be...
tiffany cianci
You think the market has the information they need to actually act right now.
elad eliahu
You think regulators who could be elected, could be unelected.
It's just random people should decide, right?
We should have people have fixed prices.
tiffany cianci
I want to finish what I was saying about what's happening.
elad eliahu
No, you guys aren't hearing what you're saying.
tiffany cianci
The tech companies right now, the way that they have stifled actual innovation, why we haven't seen real innovation in decades, is because they literally go to the universities and fund their think tanks.
And when anybody has a fellowship to go into their think tanks that's actually creating an innovative product, they have to sign it away with the intellectual property on entry to the think tanks.
Everything from the Wharton School to MIT to UC Davis and everywhere in between.
elad eliahu
These people are extremely innovative.
All these companies are extremely innovative, though.
And they're explaining a situation that's not accurate to the situation on the ground.
tiffany cianci
They are acquiring any possibly disruptive technology before it could ever hit the market.
They're acquiring it.
They get ownership of the patents.
They get ownership of the intellectual property before it ever gets there.
Look at the case right now that Trump initiated in his first term against Google for their anti-competitive practices and the way that they were stifling innovation.
They won for a reason.
And now they're probably going to get busted on April 14th.
Their trust bust is coming.
tim pool
I have a question for you.
Do you think the FTC should exist?
No. You don't think there should be an FTC exist?
elad eliahu
Let us have a freer market.
tiffany cianci
That's insane.
tim pool
You know what those balance bracelets are?
You ever seen one of those?
elad eliahu
Oh, yes I have actually.
It's something that Kobe Bryant used to wear too.
It's like, it's something that, yeah.
unidentified
It's a fake.
tim pool
Completely fake.
elad eliahu
It used the placebo effect to make people think they had better balance, yes.
tim pool
That was the behind-the-scenes gist of it, but in fact, they defrauded people.
They would use what's called the center-of-gravity illusion to trick people into thinking it gave them better balance.
elad eliahu
Sure. And people under the FTC, people still get...
tim pool
The FTC shut them down.
elad eliahu
A ton of fraud still committed while the FTC is open, and it gives consumers a false sense of security while under them.
tim pool
The FTC shut them down.
elad eliahu
Okay, but I'm saying...
tiffany cianci
Who should do it instead of the...
tim pool
Okay, so you want to abolish the police, too?
elad eliahu
How does the market do it?
I don't think, um...
yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So fraud's okay?
elad eliahu
Yeah. Well, fraud's in the eye of the beholder, but yeah, and it happens all the time, and the FTC doesn't stop it.
They do, just not often enough.
tim pool
Sure, whatever.
So you're arguing you want more FTC?
elad eliahu
No, I'm saying they don't do the job that they purport to do.
phil labonte
Ten minutes ago, you were just doggling Libertarians, and now you're the guy that's defending the Libertarian position against the two people that are saying there should be regulation.
elad eliahu
10 minutes ago you were talking libertarian.
You don't know how I became famous on TikTok at all.
tim pool
If I'm allowed to deceive people in order to make money, do you think that would be a market advantage?
elad eliahu
People say you— People allege you do deceive people for money already, though.
I'm not selling anything.
tim pool
Can I— So you said you believe it would be okay for me to deceive people so that they give me their money.
elad eliahu
Yes, and the market should dictate that, hey— Would the use of deception give you an advantage over other companies?
Yeah, and people— Yeah.
tim pool
Do you think then in a free market that operates this way that the biggest corporations would end up being those that use deception?
elad eliahu
Well, I think the people in the marketplace, yes, but I think people in the marketplace would be able to overcome that fraud because I think people are savvy.
I have trust in people.
Yeah, I think people are savvy in the marketplace and they would sense out fraud and then people would report on fraud.
And I think that's what we're seeing.
tiffany cianci
Report to who if there's no FTC?
elad eliahu
To each other.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
elad eliahu
We talk about it already.
And most people don't shop at certain companies, not because of the FTC, but because other people tell them not to.
tim pool
Let's keep going.
So then why is it that those bounce bracelet companies Um, I don't even- Why- Can you repeat the question?
elad eliahu
Why didn't it shut- Why didn't people not buy them?
I think if they wanted to sell the balance bracelets, and people were stupid enough to buy them, and you're a stupid customer, then you should be able to buy their stupid balance bracelet, actually.
tim pool
So, yeah.
Having an advantage in the marketplace, companies that operate through deception will likely monopolize.
They will become the most powerful corporations.
elad eliahu
I don't think they'll become the most powerful corporations through fraud, because I think consumers are savvy and they'll be able to see through the fraud.
tim pool
But they couldn't even detect that a piece of rubber wasn't giving them superpowers?
elad eliahu
No, they could, but it's only a small part of the market.
You're gonna find some morons in every marketplace to sell stupid stuff to, so...
tim pool
So do you think pharmaceuticals can just A drug company can be like, sure, this pill will make your dick bigger.
elad eliahu
I think the...
I think pharmaceuticals and healthcare is a different...
tim pool
Should be regulated.
tiffany cianci
That's a slippery slope.
elad eliahu
Should be regulated, yes.
tim pool
How do you define as pharmaceutical?
elad eliahu
Drugs that are prescribed by doctors to do certain...
tim pool
Who regulates prescription?
elad eliahu
HHS? I don't know.
I think it's the HHS.
tim pool
Tell me the distinction between a supplement and a drug.
elad eliahu
Supplements are...
All supplements are drugs, but not all drugs are supplements.
tim pool
Tell me the distinction.
elad eliahu
Supplements are supposed to be used for, like, nutrition and drugs.
Drugs is a very...
It's an over-encompassing word, but drugs could be anything that changes the chemistry of how it works in your body.
tim pool
Melatonin, what does it do?
elad eliahu
I don't know what each and every drug does, but I think melatonin is supposed to help you with changing some brain chemistry, help you go to sleep.
tim pool
So it's not a nutrition thing.
It is a hormone regulation thing.
But aren't drugs doing the same thing?
elad eliahu
Supplements are largely not regulated.
Do you think they should be regulated more?
Yeah, but in GNC you could pick up almost.
I used to pick Jack 3D up from back in GNC back in the day.
tim pool
I think drugs and supplements should be regulated to a certain degree and we'll constantly review, but you're the anti-regulation person, which is why I'm asking.
elad eliahu
Not on drugs in particular, but I think we really go in off-track.
tiffany cianci
Go on.
You mentioned that we need police because people need to be protected.
Do you understand that the only laws in the United States, the only laws that our government has decided, that all of our laws No, I didn't.
because they committed a crime in antitrust law.
You know that?
elad eliahu
No, but can you repeat that one more time?
Yes. Just so I could hear it more clearly.
tiffany cianci
The only laws in the United States that have a criminal element, that are criminally enforceable, that Americans can bring without the aid of a DOJ or anybody else or antitrust laws, because it was deemed so dangerous to our economic model for monopoly
No. Wow.
Now I want to go a step further because I believe in a free market economy.
But we don't have one.
If we were starting at a clean slate, I could get behind everything you just said, almost.
Okay? But we're not, and we can't be.
Because our free market economy has been so blinded and corrupted by the abuse that has infiltrated the regulators that we're supposed to keep the guardrails on.
elad eliahu
But you're suggesting your solution, as I understand, right, is more regulation?
tiffany cianci
You haven't let me finish a single solution yet.
elad eliahu
I know, because you go in circles and don't really say anything in what you say.
I'm trying to get you to say something specific.
tiffany cianci
Let me give you one specific example that would be required for the free market to work that does not exist right now.
elad eliahu
Can you give me an example of a regulation you want to see changed?
Yes. That's what I want.
tiffany cianci
I want to see the Federal Arbitration Act changed.
I want to see the Federal Arbitration Act changed.
In order for a free market economy to exist, we have to be able to see the bad behavior, and then the general idea is that if they're doing bad things, defrauding people, or they're hurting kids, or they're poisoning people, we bring massive lawsuits, and that fixes it, and people protest, and then the company stops because of it.
elad eliahu
Let me know if I'm mistaken.
We could sue companies for fraud, correct?
tiffany cianci
I'm glad you said that.
The answer is, in most cases right now, no.
elad eliahu
Is that true?
Yes. Because I always see the most ridiculous lawsuits against corporations.
tiffany cianci
That's because most of them have been suppressed in the free market economy so that we can't bring them anymore.
elad eliahu
So like, for example, I know this will be a ridiculous example, but McDonald's, there was hot coffee once that was spilled on one of the ladies and she ended up suing McDonald's.
tiffany cianci
That was a little bit different because they'd actually overheated it and it's been spotted.
elad eliahu
Exactly, but you're making it sound like we can't ever sue corporations.
tiffany cianci
Over and over and over.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
tiffany cianci
Let me finish, okay?
Our laws have been so bastardized by the removal of guardrails that the Federal Arbitration Act has allowed corporations to do unconscionable things, and we are not allowed to bring a court case that would allow us to let the free market know that unconscionable things are taking place.
It is getting hidden in secret courtrooms where no one can see.
They all have Class parameters that make it so we can't bring class actions anymore, so we can't work together to afford to bring the cases, and so bad things, terrible things, deaths, horrible maimings are happening every day in America at the hands of these corporations and none of us know about it because it is hidden in secret courtrooms and we can't bring class action lawsuits.
Okay? I want to see that law changed.
And without it, we can't have a free market economy because the free market is blind.
The only people that can bring those lawsuits are the FTC.
unidentified
Yeah. It's powerful stuff.
elad eliahu
I heard a lot.
I don't know.
I still hear about lawsuits against corporations all the time.
You're not locking them up the right way, maybe.
I don't know if I'm missing something here because I see lawsuits against corporations all the time.
tiffany cianci
I want to tell you what happened.
The reason I went to TikTok, the reason I became this person, I used to be a baby music teacher, as I was the head of a union that was targeted by a private equity firm and forced into one of those secret courtrooms.
In my secret courtroom, I don't know if you know this, the Federal Arbitration Act that is forcing 1.4 million Americans a year into secret court cases that they don't choose.
says that these judges that are paid $50,000 a week by big corporations to rule in their favor, these judges don't have to follow the law.
elad eliahu
In what court?
I'm just sorry, just so I want to understand.
tiffany cianci
They're arbitration courts that are run by two companies, JAMS and the American Arbitration Association.
And these courtrooms have been so bastardized to not allow Americans to see the bad behavior of corporations without their knowledge that they're being forced into secret courtrooms where they can't talk to the press, where they can't appeal, where they can't We're good to go.
These courtrooms have been so bastardized to not allow Americans to see the bad behavior of corporations without their knowledge that they're being forced into secret courtrooms where they can't talk to the press, where they can't appeal, where they can't actually seek an enforcement of any law.
And they're allowed to make up the law.
Wait a minute.
The judges can make up the law.
They don't have to follow the law.
And when they do, you're not allowed to go to an appellate court and demand that that judge be held accountable for breaking the law in their decisions.
In my court case, where I was a baby music teacher, a law firm was allowed, and I say this very rarely.
I don't bring it up.
I became famous on the cover of the New York Times and the New York Post because my arbitration case, a private equity firm called DLA Piper, was allowed to file motions to force me to have an abortion against my will so I could be produced faster for a deposition.
A deposition they could have waited two weeks for.
They were allowed to file motions to compel me to expedite the scheduling of an abortion against my will.
elad eliahu
They compelled you in this court to expedite your abortion?
I've never heard of something like this.
Maybe I need to read it.
tiffany cianci
Now ask why!
Because I had a gag order!
elad eliahu
And they forced you to?
tiffany cianci
I... yeah.
elad eliahu
By... through...
oh wow.
tiffany cianci
You can read about me in many newspapers.
elad eliahu
Under threat of...?
tiffany cianci
If you violate a court order, they can hold you in contempt and you can be locked up.
They tried to put me in prison last year, too.
elad eliahu
Wow. And so there's no longer a gag order on this, obviously?
tiffany cianci
I won my defamation case against them after they sent a bunch of letters to people saying I was abusing children, and then sent six letters to the New York Times saying I was running a drug trafficking ring at my baby gym.
elad eliahu
Wow. And still a free speech absolutist after all that.
tiffany cianci
Still a free speech absolutist.
tim pool
I'm just, I think that the challenge I have, Elad, is that your position makes no sense, and to elaborate, it's not.
You think there shouldn't be regulations on some products, but some products should have regulation?
You said there should be no FTC, but some products should be regulated.
elad eliahu
So healthcare, yeah, I think healthcare should be regulated by who?
By most other products, by the government, by government agencies.
tim pool
By the FTC?
elad eliahu
By the HHS.
tim pool
FTCs, they handle the trade laws.
tiffany cianci
They're the enforcer of those laws.
tim pool
So there should be an FTC then, because of drugs?
elad eliahu
For drugs in particular, yes.
tim pool
So then we'll keep the FTC?
elad eliahu
Just for drugs, yeah.
Okay. I think Doge...
Elon Musk, we should send you after the FTC.
I think they could do some slashing.
tiffany cianci
The FTC is one of the smallest agencies in the government, and they're deeply underfunded.
tim pool
How would you define drug?
elad eliahu
Well, I think, more specifically, I think medicine people, things that we are marketing to people to help cure different ailments that they have, and usually are prescribed by doctors, for medicine specifically.
Drugs is over-inclusive.
tim pool
There's a whole bunch of stuff that's not prescribed that's a drug.
elad eliahu
Sure, and that should be governed differently.
I mean coffee's a drug, but I don't think you need to have access.
tim pool
So is ibuprofen.
elad eliahu
Sugar's a drug.
No. Yes.
tim pool
Ibuprofen is a drug and it's over-the-counter.
You can walk in, grab it, walk out.
elad eliahu
So drugs are over-inclusive, but I think once you pass a certain amount of harm for a specific drug to do that is supposed to heal you and cure your ailments, that needs to be regulated differently than What about topical creams?
You know, on the specifics I'm not too sure.
It depends on what the topical cream is.
Because some ointments are, you know, need to be prescribed and some don't.
tim pool
Healing rashes and preventing infections.
elad eliahu
I guess it depends on the ointment.
I guess we'd need to have a doctor in here to get into the specifics.
tim pool
So you're not entirely sure?
elad eliahu
Not on every example of every item.
tim pool
Right, there's probably a bunch of stuff that needs to be regulated that doesn't qualify as a drug.
elad eliahu
I think the FTC could...
could... Lay their hands off a bit and focus on drugs more.
Well, they don't do a good job at doing it in the drug market either.
So I, again, they're lulling people into a false sense of security as part of the issue here.
tim pool
You would include, like, certain ointments and creams that can affect the body and potentially cause harm if used improperly, but aren't drugs.
elad eliahu
I feel like it would have to be a drug to do that.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
tim pool
Drugs are specifically things that are usually used to treat, prevent, or cure diseases or ailments.
And so...
elad eliahu
I think a drug could...
tim pool
That sounds like as an antifungal, for instance.
elad eliahu
It's something that could like interact with your body's chemistry to do a certain thing.
So coffee, for example.
tim pool
Not topical, real quick.
elad eliahu
It depends on the topical cream, so.
tim pool
So that means some, yes.
elad eliahu
I'm sure some do, yeah.
tim pool
So non-prescription topical creams may need to be regulated despite the fact they're not drugs.
Some of them.
elad eliahu
So again, drug is kind of a spectrum, if you will.
tim pool
So, okay, the point is, Elad, I'm gonna say this before we go to our chats.
You're literally just saying there are some products that are not drugs that need to be regulated, and the FTC should do that, which is a contradiction to your earlier position about the FTC.
elad eliahu
I think the FTC has too much power here, and Elon Musk would be fine by cutting half of them.
I don't think they do half of the job that they purport to do, and I think the regulations that...
Tiffany was alluding to are actually counterproductive.
That was my main focus here.
Offering more regulation is actually going to stifle the capitalism that we're trying to promote here.
I guess that was my larger point here.
I don't think we should be getting lost on the FTC and the specific examples here.
I think I was pretty clear on what I thought about that.
tiffany cianci
I'm being called to testify right now in a case.
He's talking about medicine.
I'm going to talk about another example.
Because historically, in a free market, this example would be counteracted by the free market economy and the public.
I'm being called to testify right now in a case on behalf of a little girl named Mia Hull.
She was seven years old and she went to a trampoline park called Urban Air.
Urban Air was in Ahwatukee, Arizona.
They're owned by a private equity firm called Unleashed Brands and Seidler Private Equity.
And in this case, this little girl went to this park where they have a zip line that buzzes around the room.
Okay. And it's 30 feet off the floor over concrete floors and metal tables.
That's three stories, sometimes four stories in some of their parks.
Okay. And I'm being called to testify right now in this case, because this little girl fell off this zip line and broke half the bones in her body and got permanent brain damage.
The problem is that when her mom took her to that park, she signed her in on an iPad at the front to say, Hey, we're here for a birthday party.
And they walked inside, not realizing that buried underneath that iPad language was a to bring a lawsuit, forcing them into a secret arbitration court, and at the same time, stopping them from bringing a class action with anyone else while simultaneously giving them a gag order, a confidentiality agreement, and a non-disparagement clause.
So she couldn't go to the press.
Okay? What she didn't know, this little girl or her mom, is that it was happening in dozens of these urban air parks all across the United States.
And the reason no one knew is because everyone signed in on those iPads.
You shouldn't need a lawyer to go to a birthday party.
I want to be clear.
You shouldn't be able to abuse our legal system that way.
And so all of these people were being horribly maimed or getting internally decapitated at their kid's party, swinging around ziplines from the ceiling like a ceiling fan.
Okay? And this little girl, she is permanently changed.
She's going blind.
She's got permanent brain damage.
She can't laugh.
She can't cry.
And in my court case, I was sent a huge stack of files from a whistleblower that showed their CEO received a warning that this was going to happen.
He was told, if you cut those harness checkers to save on your EBITDA for another cash infusion, these kids are gonna get hurt.
It said it in these documents.
And he said, do it anyway!
And two weeks later, Mia was the first victim.
K? And you know what?
In a free market economy, the world would have known.
People would be protesting outside Urban Heirs all across America and outside Unleashed Brand's headquarters in Bedford, Texas, while Michael Browning sat inside, worried he was going to lose his business.
But they aren't, because these kinds of legal agreements that circumvent the free market have blinded it.
And without guardrails, we can never have a free market again.
Ever. And people like Mia Hall will continue to get penalized, and they will lose their lives and their futures, and people like Michael Browning will continue to become multi-millionaires.
Without guardrails.
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Andre Tugulescu says, Canadians, stop worrying about becoming the 51st state.
Worry about becoming China's 23rd province.
Asian owns, Comrade Carney.
elad eliahu
Ni hao.
tiffany cianci
That was a witty comment.
tim pool
That was good.
tiffany cianci
That was witty.
tim pool
True Hello says, my parents' mortgage interest rate was like 13% in 1983.
The 4% or 2% rates were artificial.
I think it got up to the 20s, didn't it?
20% in the late 80s?
tiffany cianci
It got up to like 20, 21, I think, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, crazy.
tiffany cianci
But they also had, you know, $20,000 houses, so.
tim pool
CPR says, Boomer here, I just sold all my gold and silver coins today, so I'll have cash to buy into the stock dip.
elad eliahu
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Indeed. I bought the Tesla dip when Elon was talking about buying X and then Tesla tanked down to like 113 or something.
I was like, I looked at it, And I'm thinking to myself, there's no reason for Tesla to have dropped this dramatically.
It's because of the press.
So I bought a bunch and...
elad eliahu
I love the contrarian stock plays.
I invested a lot of money into CrowdStrike after there was some outage with their update.
They're still one of the best security software.
Full disclosure, yada yada, this isn't financial advice.
tiffany cianci
My comment section says you're never going to let me come back.
elad eliahu
This is the second time you're back in a couple of weeks.
Why wouldn't you?
tim pool
Yell at Elad?
Yeah, you can come back whenever you want!
elad eliahu
You're going to be invited more!
Back more!
What are you talking about?
tim pool
Yep. Kenneth Ard says, if daughter is watching The Next Generation for the first time and sure she watches Star Trek 6, The Undiscovered Country, tell her the frozen Klingon planet is Greenland and that's why Trump bought it, the drumhead episode for the win.
Star Trek The Next Generation is the best show ever.
And funny trivia, Patrick Stewart, his agent, when he pitched it to him, He was like a seven-year deal or something like that, like some multi-year deal.
And his agent was like, it's gonna get cancelled in a year, just sign the deal.
And then he was locked into the highest rated show at the time.
Isn't that crazy?
And it's the best!
He was great.
Yes. Alright, where are we at?
Stuart Votsberger says, Wow, YouTube isn't even saying you're live, more or less, notifying me.
Geez. Well, if you're watching, make sure you hit that little notification bell.
Not that it matters, but I guess it matters a little bit.
tiffany cianci
The number one comment I've had is asking Tim his favorite Pokemon, which I think is an inside joke I've missed.
unidentified
It's Temple.
tiffany cianci
It's which one?
tim pool
Temple. Temple?
Yeah, I'm a Pokemon.
tiffany cianci
You're a Pokemon.
tim pool
You didn't know this?
tiffany cianci
Nobody told me.
tim pool
Bro, are you kidding?
I'm a Pokemon.
tiffany cianci
I was told to get your favorite Pokemon.
I assumed it was an inside joke.
unidentified
Where is it?
tim pool
Hold on.
Pulling it up.
tiffany cianci
For the record, my favorite Pokemon is Blaziken.
tim pool
I'm a Pokemon.
tiffany cianci
Oh, Temple!
elad eliahu
Huh? Like a tadpole.
tiffany cianci
He's so cute!
tim pool
He's wearing headphones, see?
tiffany cianci
He's so cute!
elad eliahu
That's perfect.
tim pool
He's wearing headphones, and it's literally my name.
tiffany cianci
See? There you go, guys.
elad eliahu
What does he evolve into?
tiffany cianci
Hold on, let me show you.
tim pool
I don't know, some frog thing.
elad eliahu
Oh look, the pronunciation is Tim Pool.
tiffany cianci
Yeah. There he is.
tim pool
Tim Pool.
elad eliahu
Yeah, you should get a fee here.
tim pool
Someone told me to buy like a hundred of these and then sign them and whenever someone recognizes me, hand it out.
tiffany cianci
That's such a cute idea, actually.
They're so expensive.
Stuffies are like 30 bucks.
tim pool
I do have to say that I existed before they made this, which proves they based it on me.
tiffany cianci
Yep. Obviously.
tim pool
I mean, look, it is literally wearing headphones and its name is Tim Pohl.
tiffany cianci
He's so cute, though.
tim pool
There you go.
tiffany cianci
He needs a beanie.
tim pool
A small aquatic tadpole-like Pokemon.
And, uh, does it evolve into Palpitoad and Seismitoad.
tiffany cianci
Oh, he's the one that has, like, speakers.
tim pool
Yeah. Well, there you go.
Indeed, I am a Pokemon.
unidentified
There's two with speakers, I guess I should say.
tim pool
Is that why they were asking me?
I don't know.
tiffany cianci
I don't know.
It was a recurring comment on my XFeed today.
phil labonte
I imagine so.
tim pool
Indeed. Yeah, I'm in Pokemon, and all the angry lefties can't do anything about it.
And I'm gonna just let them know, like, that was intentionally me.
You know, they are such big fans.
It was introduced in Generation 5, which was...
Do they have the year on what Generation 5 was?
Generation 5, wow.
What year was Generation 5?
tiffany cianci
Which region is it?
tim pool
I have no idea.
elad eliahu
Okay. You know your Pokemon stuff, huh?
tiffany cianci
Well, so when I was yeah, I have a much younger brother and when I moved out of the house when I was growing up That was the one thing we could do was like when games would first start playing on the internet together And so I would play that early Pokemon snap game and then we would do like Pokemon red and Pokemon pearl like my little brother Made me like Pokemon and now me and my eight-year-old son play Pokemon.
There you go And I'm really good friends with...
I should bring you in.
I'm really good friends with the guys who own Tournament City Games in Frederick.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
tiffany cianci
Yeah. So I go down there all the time and hang out with them, play Pokemon.
tim pool
Cool. Michael Cicirelli says...
Cicirelli? Anything on pizza is acceptable.
Be a friend.
Tell a friend something nice.
To be honest, I love pineapple pizza.
elad eliahu
I like change on my pizza.
I like variety.
No, like...
Oh. Phil.
How... Could you?
Variety's the spice of...
Phil! Variety's the spice of life, so, you know, whether it's olives or...
never mind.
tim pool
Falafel? Falafel.
tiffany cianci
I only like Chicago-style deep-dish pizza.
I'm not a pizza girl.
tim pool
Tourist pizza!
Elad, I'm gonna order a pizza tomorrow.
And I'm gonna put Israeli salad on it, just for you.
elad eliahu
I love it when people call it Israeli salad.
tim pool
That's what it's called.
elad eliahu
Yeah, yeah.
No, well, some people...
tim pool
What do they call it?
unidentified
...
elad eliahu
get offended.
And they...
yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Israeli salad!
elad eliahu
Some people call it Jerusalem salad.
Because a lot of Arabs started picking up the Israeli salad stuff, and they get real sensitive when people call it that, so...
tim pool
I'm gonna order a pan pizza with Israeli salad on top, just for you.
elad eliahu
I'd love that.
Sounds like it'd get too wet.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, it sounds pretty good.
elad eliahu
You know, in Israel, they love olives on the pizza.
Those Israelis.
unidentified
Olives are good?
elad eliahu
On pizza?
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
elad eliahu
I feel like it's not very common in the States.
tim pool
No, you're wrong.
Supreme pizza is like, what, pepperoni sausage, green peppers, onions, and...
phil labonte
Pepper. Yeah, pepperonis.
tim pool
Pepperonis. Yeah, olives.
You go to any supermarket, and you look at their frozen pizzas, and they're gonna have Supreme with black olives on it.
phil labonte
Indeed. Now I want pizza.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll order some tomorrow.
elad eliahu
That's the thing missing out here.
I don't know if I'm just going to the wrong places or I'm spoiled.
tim pool
Pizza Oven in Inwood, West Virginia has the best pizza.
elad eliahu
I'll give it a shot.
tim pool
They call it deep dish, but it's pan.
And that's fine.
It's okay.
I'm not going to come down on them because it's really good.
elad eliahu
You know, I went to Chicago.
I wanted to get a deep dish slice, but they said you have to order the full pie.
And I was like, yeah, I'm not doing this.
I'm sorry.
I'm just not going to try it.
tim pool
People in Chicago don't eat that.
elad eliahu
Well, I don't either so because I don't want to order a whole pie.
tim pool
It's nice It's it is funny though when people are like, oh in Chicago, you have deep dish and it's like we don't eat that It's it's for you.
And then people think they're eating Chicago food people in Chicago.
Don't eat that We eat little square pizzas little squares.
Mmm tavern style.
That's the way to do it But do this is good, you know, sometimes like you it's like maybe a once-a-year thing you might do well It's like a family thing because you're not gonna take a whole Deep dish pizza bro.
I ate a whole pizzeria uno's deep dish like three months ago.
I Am no problem That's why I'm like, I don't know.
I'm I am a I am a vacuous pit I can you I'm not kidding if we go to who knows give me a pepperoni Large deep dish I'm eating the whole thing The only the only kind of pizza I get down with that's not like I'm not a pizza girl.
tiffany cianci
I'm just not but I love really thin crust, like really Italian style pizza.
Like I want it to like, like fold in my hand, but be crispy on the bottom.
Like I want that.
tim pool
Like Portnoy.
tiffany cianci
Sure. Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah. Good undercarriage.
tiffany cianci
But he likes Yeah, good undercarriage.
Right. But he likes like a very Americanized version.
And I would like it with like very Italian ingredients.
Like give me a margarita pizza.
tim pool
There's a there's a place not too far away.
It's called Taste Buds.
They have exactly what you're talking about.
Yeah. It's good.
tiffany cianci
There's a place in Frederick called, what's it called?
I don't remember.
tim pool
Let's grab some more chats!
All right, Russell W. says, my handmade ring biz has been suffering from cheap import rings from overseas markets drowning me out of the market.
Really hoping recent events change things.
Much love.
Carbon District Rings.
I agree.
Now, I will say, I think tariffs need to be strategic.
Because, um...
I suppose there's a couple ways to look at it.
Like, so, casprew.com.
We have coffee, right?
Well, the coffee is literally the region.
So, you can get Guatemala, you can get Colombian, you can get Costa Rican.
We have coffee in America.
It's Kona.
It's expensive, and there's not that much of it, because it's just...
it's Hawaii.
That's where you make it.
So, if they're gonna put a tariff on everything in general, they're restricting things you can't even make here.
So I suppose the argument is it's a specialty product, just pay more for it, I guess?
The tariffs make sense when it was cars, right?
That's why I've been lightly concerned, I say lightly, about universal tariffs.
When Trump was talking about steel, aluminum, autos and stuff, I'm like, we can do all that here, that's good.
Skateboards, we can do that here, that's good.
But if it's literally like Guatemalan coffee is the product that exists only from Guatemala, you know, I'm not sure that makes sense.
That being said, I'm an adult.
I voted for Trump.
I stand by his decisions and I will accept what comes with them.
And I'm not going to cry about it.
I don't agree with everything he does.
Never did.
And it is strange to me.
There was a really funny exchange between Clint Russell and Michael Tracy on X. Follow them both.
Yeah. You saw that one?
Yep. And Russell was like, you know, Trump is doing a thing I'm critical of.
And Michael Tracy was like, you're so dumb, you voted for him.
And Clint's like, well, Clint said something particularly disparaging about his birth defects.
But the general idea I get from the whole thing is, bro, you don't have to just agree with literally everything Trump does all the time.
You can be like, he was pretty good.
I'd have chosen somebody else.
But, you know, he's all right.
phil labonte
Particularly in this context, it is completely acceptable to vote against Kamala Harris.
elad eliahu
Right. I think a lot of internet libertarians also projected what they wanted to see onto Trump and gave themselves a false sense of reality completely different from what Trump actually is.
So when they see him doing stuff there, they're all confused.
But this was Trump all along.
And if you paid attention during the first term, or paid attention to anything he's really said or done, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody.
tiffany cianci
My first live stream with Trump was at the Libertarian National Convention when he came and spoke, and he said there were several issues he was going to talk to me about.
He made a promise he would address like six specific things.
One of them was freeing Ross Albrecht, which he did, and Libertarians seem very excited about that, but he ignored Gabriel Shepton.
And trying to address WikiLeaks and all of the whistleblowers.
And I think he made a good pitch to them at the Libertarian National Convention that was convincing on a lot of those issues.
And he has changed his mind about some of that.
So I get some of it.
But you can't be, like, even libertarians know you can't be a libertarian absolutist.
When you're starting not from scratch and starting from a system that's already imperfect.
unidentified
Yeah, shut him down.
tim pool
That's a good point.
They just use those and they're like, yeah, that's where it came from.
elad eliahu
You know what I'll say?
I listened to Ben Shapiro's show this morning.
Even Ben Shapiro was pushing this penguin narrative.
phil labonte
Was he really?
elad eliahu
He was.
Yep. That's where I heard it first.
And I was confused, too, because I was like, there must be more to this.
Because there's never any unincorporated, unclaimed land on planet Earth.
tim pool
Here's what you do.
Let's say you're an Australian.
There's a tariff.
If something comes from Australia to the U.S., they're going to have to pay an import tax.
So you ride your boat up to Heard Island.
Pause for a second, fill out a manifest saying, equipment from Heard Island, and then bring it to the U.S.?
No tariff.
That's why Trump is putting tariffs on these things.
These people are so disingenuous.
Even if no product came from these islands, Trump is basically saying, we are not going to allow loopholes.
That's it.
tiffany cianci
Because you know they would just go make a dock there and then ship it around.
phil labonte
That's right.
tim pool
And they may still do that.
I mean, look, if you're going to lose $60 billion over a year because you're China, They're gonna say, okay, let's build an artificial island, put the products there, put up a flag, and then say the products came from there.
Not tariffed.
And Trump's gonna then go, nah, we'll put a tariff on that too.
That's the point.
elad eliahu
What did he tariff China?
Because that's my favorite.
tim pool
Was it 30...
tiffany cianci
I'm getting a lot of questions about tariffs on Russia.
A lot of people are saying, what are the tariffs on Russia?
tim pool
Nothing! Because Russia is sanctioned!
tiffany cianci
They're sanctioned.
elad eliahu
Trump is mulling, President Trump is mulling secondhand tariffs for those who buy oil from Russia.
tim pool
Right. So you get this narrative from the press because they're liars where they're like, Trump didn't sanction Russia.
No, I'm sorry to say Trump didn't tariff Russia.
No, he sanctioned them.
So he's actually barring other people from doing business with them.
Or actually, I think they were already sanctioned.
And then he imposed, actually, yeah, I think he's only been in office a couple months.
So they are under sanctions already.
So you don't need to.
And there's a war going on.
And, as you mentioned, second-hand sanctions.
Anybody who does business with them for oil trades, he's gonna put tariffs on them.
So, yeah, he's not helping Russia.
elad eliahu
He didn't have to put a tariff on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, so...
tim pool
All right, Sterling Wilson III says, Am I wrong in thinking that more manufacturing makes more jobs, which allows more people to get taxed, allowing U.S. worker personnel income taxes to drop?
So, you can do it a couple ways.
Volume is usually the best.
If I was running a business that sold coffee, I would rather sell at a 1% margin a million bags a week, as opposed to having a massive margin but having to sell, you know, only a hundred bags.
So what happens is, for smaller businesses, they need to make more money to survive.
Let's say you're, you know, a little Israeli salad distributor, Eilat Eliyahu.
elad eliahu
Eilat Salads.
tim pool
Eilat Salads.
And he only sells maybe 15 per week.
How much does he have to sell the salads for to make a living?
Well, he's got to pay his rent, he's got to buy the materials, so he's going to need maybe, you know, 500 bucks at least a week, and that's bare minimum, which is barely going to cover rent in a big city.
So if he's working on the razor-thin margins for his own personal costs, those salads are going to be expensive.
But let's say a lot gets it up to a million salads per week.
Well, bro, I gotta be honest.
If you made only a dollar off each salad, you're making a million bucks a week.
You could actually make ten cents off of each salad instead.
Your profit margin could literally be a dime, and you're gonna be pulling in a hundred K a week.
So, the more people we tax, the more money the U.S. makes, and then the economic activity, all of it will end up in the hands of the government, 100%.
Think about it.
I have a dollar.
I give it to a lot.
A lot's gotta pay, fill the tax.
So Eilat pays Phil 35 cents.
Now he's got 65 cents.
He then gives 65 cents to me in exchange for services.
I gotta give Phil 30%.
So I give Phil 18 cents.
19 cents.
The government eventually gets it all.
So the more people, the better.
Jacob Jones says, perhaps the penguins are highly intelligent and advanced and have been very good trade partners to the US, hence why it's only a 10% tariff.
Well, I don't know if I'm supposed to say this, but in my interview with Trump, he did mention to me off-camera that there is an island where a highly advanced civilization of penguins have created a barrier so that no one can see through it.
Unfortunately, one of the penguins actually developed a headband which gave him psychic powers to mind control people, and now he's at odds with the Justice League.
phil labonte
Yeah. Yeah.
elad eliahu
You kind of look like you have the penguin colors with your sweater being kind of white in the right areas and then black Maybe I'm friends with the penguins.
That's why we've been talking a lot about this.
tim pool
This is what people don't understand.
It's not Masaad, it's the penguins the whole time.
elad eliahu
Penguins. That's right.
tim pool
They've been paying for this show.
tiffany cianci
You know it's illegal to communicate with dolphins in our country?
What? Did you know that?
Did you know that they were- Not to touch them!
to communicate with them.
Go look it up.
tim pool
Did you know that there was a- Look it up!
elad eliahu
Were you trying to talk to them?
Is that why they came after you?
tiffany cianci
I am telling you, it is illegal to communicate with dolphins in our country.
tim pool
So that's why- Did you know that there was a woman that was living in a house that was semi-flooded with a dolphin and the dolphin was trying to get some from her?
It's a true story.
tiffany cianci
Why do you know that?
elad eliahu
I've seen some videos of dolphins.
tim pool
It's a very famous internet story.
tiffany cianci
I know a lot of internet stories that I don't know that I- I never heard of.
tim pool
You gotta get on X, man.
You get on X-Men, you learn a whole bunch of stuff.
tiffany cianci
I don't know if that was a sales pitch.
tim pool
It's like, remember that line from the Dark Knight where Scarecrow, the mobsters are like, your drugs are, look what they're doing to our people.
And he says, I told you my drug would take you places.
I never said they'd be places you wanted to go.
That's the internet, basically.
You go there and then you just, that's why there's the phrase, welcome to the internet.
tiffany cianci
Sounds more like a Rumble thing than an X-Men thing.
tim pool
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tiffany cianci
I just want everybody to keep following along as we work together to save small businesses in our community.
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elad eliahu
Tiffany, it's been fun.
I'm sure the after show is going to be even more fun.
Can't wait.
Hey everybody, I am your White House correspondent.
You can find me at Elad Eliyahu on all the platforms.
There's a lot of exciting things going on in the White House press briefing room, so be on the lookout for that.
phil labonte
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