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GOP Office TORCHED, Terror Suspected, Elon Says ARREST Dem Funders w/Winston Marshall | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The GOP office in New Mexico appears to have been set on fire in an act of terrorism.
		Leftist graffiti was found likening ICE to the KKK, and I think the fair assessment is that it was a terror attack on the GOP.
		We don't know for sure just yet, but it looks like that is the case.
		Elon Musk is now calling for those funding the attacks on Tesla, the protests, to be criminally charged.
		He says, don't just go after the puppets, go after the people that are setting them on the loose.
		So it's pretty crazy, my friends.
		And then, because it's funny, Donald Trump has MSNBC losing their minds because he said he's not joking he's going to run for a third term, which he can't do and likely would not happen.
		But simply by saying it, you know, he's shifting the news cycle and tricking Democrats into talking about something else.
		I wonder why.
		I wonder why.
		And then, you know, in Seattle, it's almost as bad as Delaware.
		They have a massive multimillion, $40 million deficit.
		Because all of these companies are fleeing.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Winston Marshall.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Hi, great to be back on the show and a special hello to your wonderful viewers.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I had a wonderful time with you down in Austin last time and it's great to see the actual lad pad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely! Who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I am a musician from London.
		I have a show, a politics show called the Winston Marshall Show and we cover similar topics but obviously a lot more British stuff as well, what's going on in Britain.
		Europe, a lot of populism stuff, and general, the fight back, as you have been doing over here, although ours is a lot less promising in Britain.
		Our fight back seems to be just going incredibly badly, and any opposition are constantly within their own little civil wars going on.
		So, yeah, Europe is in quite some trouble, but we kind of cover that over there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Aside from being a learned man with a political show, you're actually quite a successful musician, in fact.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, if you say so.
		Absolutely. Well, I very much enjoy listening to your music, Tim.
		Oh, thank you.
		And it's very much the kind of music I was listening to in the 90s when I was a kid.
		Yeah. So I've kind of got a little bit sentimental hearing it.
		But yeah, I was in a band called Mumford& Sons for 14 years and we had a great time and made a few records toward your great country.
		We never played in West Virginia.
		I'm very happy to be here finally in West Virginia with you.
		We played probably about 40 states otherwise, so saw a lot of it and that's where I grew to love your country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		West Virginia particularly.
		Well, it's gonna be fun.
		Thanks for hanging out.
		We got Libby hanging out as well.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I'm Libby Emmons.
		I'm hanging out.
		Nice to see you again, Winston.
		It's been a minute.
		I'm with the Postmillennial and humanevents.com.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		I am here normally doing Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday at 3 p.m.
		But I am here filling in for Phil tonight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Phil Engen.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Phil Engen!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's get to the news, my friends.
		From the AP, the first story, this is crazy.
		Fire at New Mexico GOP headquarters under investigation as arson.
		Yeah, okay, there's graffiti where it says ice equals KKK, and I'm pretty sure everybody knows exactly what this is.
		The temperature in this country has been slowly coming to a boil, and Hopefully it does not get worse than this, but considering the Tesla attacks, we have this story from the AP.
		A fire that damaged the entryway to the New Mexico Republican Party headquarters in Albuquerque is being investigated as arson.
		No suspects have been named in the Sunday morning blaze, but that's under investigation by local authorities, the FBI, and the ATF.
		Incendiary materials were found on the scene, according to an ATF spokesperson.
		Spray paint on the side of the building read ICE equals KKK, said Lieutenant Jason Fayor.
		With Albuquerque Fire Rescue, Fayer said federal officials were taking over the arson investigation.
		During a Monday press conference in front of the burned entryway, which was covered with plywood and had two burned doors propped against it, Republican leaders described the fire as a deliberate attack.
		They sought to link the blaze to an ongoing crime crisis in New Mexico, including a shooting earlier this month in Las Cruces that left three people dead.
		Republican lawmakers have recently urged Democratic Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham to exercise her authority to bring the legislators back to the Capitol to seek solutions to the violence.
		But this seems political.
		We don't see these attacks on Democrat facilities.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
		We don't typically see that.
		And it's interesting that for four years you had Democrats freaking out about January 6th because that was actually the only thing they could point to.
		And every time you have leftists going after Republicans, it's months and months of stuff.
		You can hardly even count how many incidents there are.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Also, the average person just doesn't hear about it.
		They just don't.
		They just don't hear about this stuff.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Why? Because it just doesn't show up on, you know, CNN and ABC and CBS and PBS.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		There's one thing I'll note on this, and I've been following what's going on with the Tesla attacks, that there's only one prominent Democrat, I think maybe only one Democrat, full stop, who's spoken out against that, and that's Ro Khanna.
		And I looked into this.
		Pelosi has been asked about it but has kind of avoided answering the question: why is it so hard to not condemn this stuff?
		How can we expect it to stop?
		Why are they so terrified in condemning it?
		And I mean, Pelosi, if someone like that, we remember what happened in Portland.
		Stopped the National Guard from going in, even Trump sent her in, so she has a record there.
		But the other thing, if I can zoom out for one moment on this, is I remember in the heady days of January 2025 when I was told Woke is dead.
		I was told that this election means that Woke has finally been defeated and Trump had all these executive orders to anti-Woke, but we're seeing what I remember in 2020 as the extreme So, the woke being dead thing is a reference to Trump gutting it institutionally,
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Meaning these institutions should not be implementing DEI policies and things like this.
		Yes. And private corporations abandoning this stuff.
		But in terms of what they're doing amongst themselves and how they react to it, at the administrative level, they are still attacking through lawfare.
		And in the street level, they are still engaged in violence.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yes. So what I see here is that things like Trump won the war on DEI.
		He won the war on some of these other specific topics.
		Let's say Me Too.
		There's no chance of that coming back.
		But if we're seeing this emerging here, I think that we'll see Woke come out with a new face.
		I think this is just the beginning.
		We're only two months in.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, even at the policy level, I don't even necessarily know if you could say that he defeated them because a lot of it is these companies are just shifting definitions.
		They're making their corporate structure around these types of policies even more opaque and hard to define.
		So it gets reimagined as bridge rather than DEI, things like that.
		But stuff like this, it's kind of analogous to what's going on in Hollywood.
		It's going to get worse, especially as the weather gets nicer and it's easier for people to go outside.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Riot season.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's riot season.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they didn't need to do all the riots during Biden because they were getting what they wanted.
		But I do think it's important to remember that even though we are going to see this kind of violence and even though we see it with this GOP headquarters and all of the Teslas and the Tesla dealerships and all of the boomers going around dancing and thinking that they're actually getting something done, it's still a relatively small amount of people.
		And these are the small amount of people that make a huge difference.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People dancing in front of the Tesla, that coordinated dance or whatever?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was hot.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It was so hot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd appreciate it if that's all they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'd be like, oh, well, you got me.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you want to go dance around in front of Tesla or protest, you know, protest, but don't be destroying people's property and don't be, you know, going in and disrupting all of the business.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Make your point in a politically protest-y type of way, as is traditionally done.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What was worse, that or the dancing nurses during COVID?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the dancing nurses were dancing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dancing on graves.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was pretty bad.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The doctors were almost worse than the nurses, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there were videos of, there were some black women who were filming, and they were like, is this why I can't get any service right now?
		And they were filming people producing a dance.
		So it's like, people who actually need help at a hospital were looking at nurses staging a dance instead of doing their jobs.
		That was just disgusting.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Disgusting. And then musicians who should have been playing shows where people could actually dance are shut down because they weren't allowed to perform.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But that's okay, because they were playing Imagine, each of them, in a remote location.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the real reason people should be mad at Gal Gadot.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I found that offensive, the Imagine from your beautiful backyard.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, stuck in my apartment.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		She's not American, though, so she probably doesn't understand as much as we do how awful that song is.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I remember at that time, the W.H.O.
		Can you come and play for us?
		This is right at the beginning of the pandemic.
		Can you come and play for us?
		Because we're trying to, you know, send love or whatever.
		And what they were actually doing was trying to whitewash their own reputation, band wash, artist wash their reputation, using people like Lady Gaga and everything to, I mean, it's a bit of a tangential point.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like play where?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like at events?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Play from your bedroom.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		They were streaming their little concerts like--The ultimate bed in.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that should have been, you know, that should have been the thing.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It's like an homage to Lennon and Yoko.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I've come to America and I don't think it's quite reconciled itself with what happened From 2020, through the pandemic, through BLM, all the people killed in that period, all the damage done.
		It just, I feel like it's being, it's been completely ignored and memory hauled by liberal types.
		And I think even conservatives, it's like, we don't want to go back there.
unidentified		It's too tiring.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It's not just the conservatives, and it's not just the liberals, it's readers.
		Readers don't want to read it.
		Yeah, when we run stuff at the Postmillennial about like, rehash of COVID, here's some stuff that were revealed now and then.
		If, if You know, people are interested in it.
		But when you say somebody has finally admitted that the, you know, virus was perhaps created in a lab in Wuhan, everyone's just like, meh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, well, we knew that.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		We knew that.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. A lot of people didn't, though.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But like readers of the Postmillennial, they are pretty smart.
		They knew that, you know, or the stuff about, you know, lockdowns were not actually effective.
		Masking was bad.
		Pulling kids out of school was not a good thing.
		Everyone's like, yeah, like welcome to four years ago.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Arguably, the only people who they'd want to hear, like your reader specifically, the only people they would want to hear that from are people who don't write from the post-millennial.
		They'll want to hear it from people who took the opposing perspective back in 2020.
		They don't want to hear it from people who always knew.
		They want to hear it from people who wouldn't admit it before and need to.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, wait for Gavin's next podcast episode.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When the New York Times finally ran that story, everyone said, how dare you?
		Like, what do you take us for?
		What was it, like, we were all fooled or whatever?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		We? It was you.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You guys tried to fool us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm wondering, the violence that we're seeing, so spring has only just begun.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Spring has just sprung.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spring has just sprung.
		And the terror attacks were happening well before spring started, which is uncharacteristic.
		Typically, the riders wait till it's warm out.
		But they were actually coming out while it was still cold, which has me worried that we might actually see a potentially hot summer.
		A lot of violence.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Depends on if there's like a really, really bad precipitating incident like in 2020.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like the George Floyd thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Well, I mean, you lock people in their homes for several months, then give them a George Floyd, and anything that can be a catalyst or a spark for their anger that already exists.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's also weird because to me, I was always kind of led to believe growing up, if you're not politically inclined, you're led to believe that the right is the violent side.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Right. Mainly because of stuff in the 90s.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		White supremacist extremism.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There's actually going to be a Timothy McVeigh movie coming out this year that I'm very, very interested to see.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who that is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's... Well, you're British.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oklahoma City bombing in 93. So there's a movie coming out about it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is where, you know, between that and other things that happened in America in the 90s, the right gets that idea of being politically more violent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's the one who wrote that manifesto on technology, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was him?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The Unabomber?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was the Unabomber.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I went down a rabbit hole reading about Ted Kuczynski.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't he like anthrax attacks?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Who? Let's jump to this next story from Fortune.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon Musk calls for the arrest of those he claims are funding anti-Tesla protests.
		I appreciate Fortune for actually getting it right, because even though Elon Musk said those funding it, almost every outlet reported he was calling for the organizers to be arrested.
		There's a big difference.
		Because Elon has accused Soros and Reid Hoffman, among others, of indirectly funding these protests.
		They say an emboldened Elon Musk is ratcheting up pressure on the anti-Tesla demonstrations.
		They say since Sunday, on Sunday, Musk, whose company is expected to report on Wednesday its worst quarterly car sales, thanks fortune, did not seem satisfied with leaving it there.
		He argued going after low-level perps is the law enforcement equivalent of whack-a-mole.
		Lock one up for criminal for 20 years, another will pop up.
		In his view, they are little more than pawns acting at the behest of Tesla CEO's wealthy Democratic opponents.
		They say arresting their puppets and paid foot soldiers won't stop there.
		It's time to arrest those funding the attacks.
		Former Wall Street Journal reporter Asrat Nomani fed these suspicions this weekend when she claimed to have found evidence of at least two dozen largely tax exempt organizations, all supposedly aligned with the Democratic Party, were compensating protesters for their time.
		Her allegations were picked up by the Trump friendly outlets Fox News and Zero Hedge as evidence the protests are not genuine, but astroturf.
		So the important thing here is, they mentioned LinkedIn co-founder forced to deny Musk's claim of involvement, but Elon said, I consider this to be worrying escalation.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Worrying escalation from Elon Musk?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In the culture war in general?
		Yeah. Well, I mean, if it's true that they're funding these protests which turn violent or inspire violence, drum this sentiment up, that's terrifying all the same.
		And I'm not saying Elon Musk's wrong to say go after people that are funding these protests or anything like that.
		The challenge is, these protests are not the same as the terror attacks.
		If somebody wants to provide resources so people can protest, what are you going to do about it?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a free speech thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely. And then if people, after the fact, engage in terror because the sentiment was built up by these protests, we know what the Democrat megadonors are wanting to do, should it be the case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't fund these things.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Is he definitely saying defund the protests?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Or is he, was that a sort of, maybe he got the wording wrong and he meant to say the attacks on Teslas?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
		He says arrest the people funding it.
		Arresting their puppets and paid foot soldiers won't stop the violence.
		It's time to arrest those funding the attacks.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Right. But you're saying funding the protests shouldn't...
		It's fine to fund a protest, and he says the protests, but later he says the attacks and the violence.
		So he might be using the word protest synonymously with the attacks and violence.
		Right. When you're saying protests is fine, attacks and violence is a problem.
		Oh, sorry.
		Presumably, you do think it's a good idea to stop funding the attacks and violence.
		That's not an escalation to arrest those people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I agree, it seems that using them interchangeably, as he goes on to say, Reid will have many layers between himself and the organizations attacking me.
		But the probability is 100% that Reid is funding them.
		So if these organizations are attacking him, and he is saying, funding the attacks, I don't know if he thinks that the terror attacks are being funded by somebody, because he's never expressed that.
		He's saying outright the attacks in general, I think he's using them interchangeably.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes. And that's a problem too because that's something that people who are more in line with their cause are going to seize on and say that it's a free speech issue and they're going to say that he's trying to shut down dissenting opinions when what he's actually trying to say is that he wants the violence to stop.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Right. That's a messaging issue.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		He probably wants the protests to stop also.
unidentified		But he should understand that it's bad optics to do that.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But in his mind, it's all sort of an attack.
		I mean, Tim Waltz saying that he was enjoying seeing the Tesla stock tank was an attack.
		And of course, you know, we've seen that all over the place.
		Jasmine Crockett, is that an attack?
		Is all of this an attack?
		Which part is the attack?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how any of this could be happening, because how can Democrats have mega donors?
		because they keep talking about oligarchs and billionaires.
		And I can't imagine there are any actual democratic oligarchs and billionaires.
		That just wouldn't make any sense.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		One thing that might be the case is that there's a link between USAID and something, and I don't have any conclusive evidence of that.
		However, USAID were funding the Tides Foundation, which is a foundation that Soros has also founded, that to the tune of $27 million was giving money to the Black Lives Matter.
		So there is a history there of funding.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Tides also was funding some of the anti-Israel stuff.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Was it really?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Which stuff?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		The Columbia University stuff?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They were in there somewhere.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I remember we had reporting on that, and I'm not remembering exactly what.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that this could actually be worse right now if it wasn't for the gutting of USAID?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Theoretically. Well, it'd be interesting if he was more clear about exactly where the funding's coming from.
unidentified		It was the campus stuff.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Across all the universities across the country.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Across universities in the US.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I guess it would be interesting to see, you know, It's easy to say George Soros funds everything, but you actually want to see, like, how exactly is the Open Societies Foundation funding them?
		So what I'd ask of Elon, what I want to know is how, you know, he's alleging that Reid Hoffman is funding them.
		How exactly?
		He says that it eventually goes 100% it traces all the way back to Reid Hoffman, but let's see that line, like, expose that line, because then it's clear.
		Otherwise it's all quite nebulous and it's even opaque, counter by Musk.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think that's actually one...
		I mean, I think that type of language is a problem right now, right?
		When you make claims without the ability to actually prove that that's what's going on, then it just falls in line with political rhetoric rather than actually trying to root out a problem that's going on, and people are going to take that as being politically biased to one side.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, why not also arrest the people doing the violence?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They actually should be arrested.
		I think his point is that more will just start popping up.
		It's not going to stop.
		But they should all be arrested and charged with felonies.
		And even the low-tier stuff, like that woman, she put gum on the car.
		People don't understand that it's an electronic mechanism used to open Tesla car doors.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It was in the handle.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that breaks it.
		If it was a Model S, because they flatten and they stick out, when you walk up and the car's open, they all just come out and the windows drop a little bit.
		It's kind of weird.
		But the other models have the push mechanism, which could still be damaged by the gum.
		She was trying to break the car.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Did you see that one amazing...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She got a felony.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		What's the big Tesla called?
		The Silver Cybertruck.
		And someone put a big Toyota sticker on the back.
		Yeah. It was absolutely fantastic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, they're scared of terror attacks.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's also signs in New York, like in the 80s, there would be signs in people's cars.
		People would have like these signs, no radio.
		So that people wouldn't break in and steal it.
		And now people have signs like, you know, I'm descended from Holocaust survivors.
		We're not Nazis.
		We bought the car a long time ago.
		It was to help the environment.
		Please don't mess up my car.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In San Francisco, people have been leaving their hatchbacks open so that when the criminals come, they don't smash out the windows.
		They just walk up, look in the car.
		They see it's open.
		There's nothing in there.
		They keep going.
		Yep. And I think Benny Johnson, he got robbed, didn't he?
		Yeah, he was filming in Oakland or something.
		And then they came and smashed the window and tried, I don't know if they actually stole stuff or tried stealing it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The Tides Foundation is also funding the Indivisible Project, which has been staging and organizing protests against Tesla's.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Yeah. And Tides is funded by USAID.
		So Elon is in a position to end the funding to Tides.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, and USAID just closed.
		Like, they're done.
		Yeah. They shut that down at the end of last week, I think.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		One of the craziest things about living in one of these bigger cities is you can realize just how much people can get accustomed to when people talk about like, oh, my car only got broken into twice last year.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, imagine this, dude, there's a place you can live where that just doesn't happen at all.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Where nobody breaks into your car.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Nobody breaks into your car.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That would be nice.
		I think in general, Americans mostly want a high trust society.
		And it's really been damaging having that trust just disappear slowly and then, you know, all at once.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty much gone now.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's been gone for a long time.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It's been gone for a long time, but like...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Even before the political animosity in the last 10 years, I mean, 20, 30 years of the media giving you the boogeyman of criminals and serial killers and stuff like that, high trust society has gone a long time.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But you pretty much, I mean, now you're at a point where you figure your neighbors might attack you.
		Yeah. Your neighbors might come shoot your dog.
		Your neighbors might like yell at your kids.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think they should just ban, there should be no political signs in your driveway.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		For the good of society, no political signs.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Or maybe just no neighbors.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That would work also.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That would work too.
		I mean, you got to go live on a farm somewhere.
		Buy land of your own.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then you have to grow things.
unidentified		Then you're expected to do something with that land.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		What a tragedy to hear Americans talking this way about their country.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Is this really something you believe is the case across the country?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The death of the high-trust society?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		At the very least in big cities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Winston, I went to a CVS and I couldn't buy ice cream.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we were in, I think we were, where were we?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That could be New York, Chicago, Philadelphia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I could be wrong.
		But I needed to get nail clippers because we were traveling.
		I walked inside, walked up to where the nail clippers would be.
		Most of the products were gone and the ones that were there were locked.
unidentified		So I was like, I'm not going to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to go find someone because I need the nail clippers.
		Whatever. I'll clip my nails when I get home.
		I'm only here for the weekend.
		So I said screw it.
		You know, Allison was over by the snacks and I walked over to the snacks and she's looking at Cheez-Its or whatever and crackers and I was like, let's just get a thing of ice cream, screw it.
		I walk up to the fridge and door's locked.
		Locked. Could not even take ice cream, it was locked.
		And I just said, let's just go.
		I don't want to walk up, say, can I get ice cream, walk back, get the ice cream, walk back, I don't care that much.
		And you know what?
		I shouldn't be eating ice cream anyway.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But also, it's hard to find somebody in the store.
		So we simultaneously have a decline in trust in our society.
		And all of these automated things coming into place that only work in a high-trust society, like not that many people at CVS because it's all self-checkout, or the grocery store, you know, or like different AI type of components, like the AI drivers, the Waymo, and all of this stuff.
		That works in a high-trust society, and in a low-trust society, it's just kind of terrifying to get into.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so what would you say the reasons that it's become a low-trust?
		Because I've seen this coming to your wonderful country over the last two decades, and I've seen the change.
		Particularly in democrat cities.
		I think of New York, I think of San Francisco where I've had similar experiences to you guys.
		But in Europe and particularly in Britain...
		What's happened is mass migration is the effect, and it's through mass migration that we're seeing an increase in violence, particularly in cities.
		We're seeing social cohesion break down and we're seeing riots, counter riots.
		I mean, I could talk about the British-Pakistani grooming gangs which have inspired that, and it's really mass migration.
		Is that the same story here in America?
		Is it mass migration?
		You've had your own problems.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think it's more high crime, no prosecutions, and high limits on what it takes to get a felony.
		So if it costs If somebody has to steal $900 worth of stuff to get a felony, people just put a bunch of stuff in a garbage bag and walk out.
		And we've seen endless videos of this at all of these stores.
		If there's no consequence for their actions, the store has to do what they have to do to try and protect their merchandise.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And what's hilarious is then they have found a way to then make this an argument about capitalism, where they say it's actually capitalism's fault that stores are locking up all their merchandise and say that it's disproportionately We're good to
		go. There's no easy avenue for police to intervene in suspected prostitution, because loitering is perfectly legal.
		Or broken windows, or turnstile jumping.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The issue is community.
		And community doesn't exist anymore.
		It used to be that you had a small town, everybody knew each other.
		You're not going to commit a crime against someone you know, it's going to cause you problems with your friends and your family.
		But now nobody knows each other.
		So the attitude of police, the attitude of criminals, of everybody is, ain't nothing bad coming my way.
		You know, during the lockdowns, when Attila's gym was shut down, The local cops refused initially.
		They said, we're not going to shut it down.
		They lived there.
		They're going to be social pariahs in their own town.
		So the state got cops from another town to come in because those cops are like, yo, we could literally do anything we want to you.
		It's not going to affect me any way because when I go to wash my laundry or buy groceries, I don't live here.
		And so that's the problem we're facing with crime in all these places.
		Everyone's attitude is basically like, it's for me and my family.
		I don't owe you.
		There you go.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And most cops don't work in the city that they live anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or the city is so big that they live in one part and serve another.
		Let's jump to this tweet we got here.
		This video is crazy, ladies and gentlemen.
		A man pulls up to block a woman driving a Tesla and starts punching her in the face.
		You can't really see anything.
		Heads up, because we don't like showing that crazy violent stuff.
		But listen to this report.
		This is from AZFamily.com.
		Flagstaff. Watch this.
unidentified		This is video of a Tesla attack in Flagstaff last week.
		It shows a green car pulling up next to a Tesla on busy Route 66, then swerving in front to box the vehicle in.
		The driver then walks over to the 61-year-old woman in the Tesla and reportedly starts hitting her while she's behind the wheel.
		I started to say, you cut me off.
		What's your problem?
		But I don't know how much of that got out.
		And he started to punch me with a closed fist.
		At one point, the victim, who wants to hide her identity, says she bit the man's hand.
		Moments later, the passenger of the green car appears to walk over and pull the attacker away.
		They finally get back in their car and drive off.
		The incident is among the latest attacks on Arizona Tesla drivers being targeted because of the car they drive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just want to point out.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What I wanted to point right away is that they box her in.
		You can see that not only do they try to stop her.
		But when she tries to go right, they pull forward to make sure she's between the curb.
		I'm jumping that curb.
		I'm sorry.
		I don't know.
		It's a pretty tall curb right there, or I'm reversing, but I'm assuming she's got someone behind them.
		I'm not entirely sure.
unidentified		Maybe we can see in the video.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in the rear, she's clear.
		She could have hit reverse and just got out of there.
		You know what's really crazy about this?
		Check this out.
		When they go on dimension, Another person is attacked keep moments later the passenger of the green car.
		Oh, actually, I don't think I actually have that in the video in the full report They they mention these two women are not taking gun Self-defense classes.
		Yeah, the next time some guy tries pulling something like that off.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They're gonna get they're gonna get shot and Depending on where they live They're gonna be they're gonna run their own risk because it's so hard to know whether you're actually gonna get in trouble for using your weapon I guess they'll have to figure out what the law is, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that's going to be after the fact.
		I mean, look, a 61-year-old woman getting punched in the face?
		If she had a gun, she'd shoot him.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, these leftist guys are the same ones that have been saying, punch a turf for years and punch Nazis.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And now Nazis are people who drive Teslas that they bought in order to help the environment and be environmentally friendly.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Not knowing when they bought it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Nazis, you know, Nazis love green energy.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		If the roles were reversed, we would never hear the end of this.
		It would be on MSNBC, CNN, relentlessly.
		If there was any sort of far right attack on someone because of their...
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Some lady in her car.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		It's such an absurdity that these people think it's appropriate to punch someone who's got nothing.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		The driver of the Tesla might actually be a Democrat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, the people who are buying electric cars probably were leaning left in the first place.
		And it's not like all of the people driving Teslas bought them in the last month.
		I'm curious for you, Winston, based on what we're seeing here.
		Have you ever seen anything as bad as this directed, targeted attacks sustained?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		In America or in Britain?
unidentified		In America.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Directed at individuals?
		I mean, the worst, it seemed to me, was in 2020.
		That was a real period.
		I mean, we talked about this a little bit earlier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		2020 was mass rioting, which is over months.
		And then you had it culminate with the autonomous zones.
		But those were leftists against government.
		I'm wondering if, and you know, I don't know Libby and Brett if you've seen anything, what we're seeing now is random attacks on people for political purposes if they can be identified.
		Meaning the Tesla car itself is enough identification for these attacks to escalate on these individuals.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point.
		I remember in Portland someone wearing a MAGA hat was killed.
		This is something that Andy Ngo reported.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Was it Aaron Daniels?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think, was it Daniel Sin?
		I could be wrong.
		Um, was he wearing a mega hat?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		He was, he was.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Trump identified.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Trump identified.
		Yeah. So this is a clear difference, right?
		So this is, it's no longer, we don't need to identify what their politics are.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And there have been attacks at Republican polling stations and stuff like that in the past.
		I think the difference between this and 2020 is that 2020 was less focused and it was just an outlet of anger.
		It didn't matter who it was.
		They were just going after any business that they felt like tearing down at the time, which is why businesses that wanted to survive had to put signs up in their windows.
		to please, please, please leave me alone.
		But at that same time, they were going up to random people and asking them to raise their fist in the air to force compliance on people because it was a form of power.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was definitely, in terms of like the attacks on Tess Tesla cars, not just individuals, but Tesla cars.
		We did see, again in 2020, we saw the attacks on statues, right?
		People were tearing down George Washington statues.
		People were so stupid that they were tearing down statues of abolitionists saying, you know, that they were racist.
		And it's like, really?
		Because they were abolitionists.
		It was Danielson.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They would still be considered racist by today's standards.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reason why I'm asking this is I'm curious, you know, Wynton, your perspective on where this country goes You know, obviously with the, you know, Trump being criminally charged, but now he wins.
		Now the Democrats are saying what he's doing is unconstitutional.
		Now we have Elon, who's working with Trump, and people are just either, there's terror attacks against dealerships, they're physically attacking people.
		Do you see a scenario where things are to chill out, maybe, or what do you think?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I think that the way it's heading is, and I note what I said earlier about no Democrats really calling this out, is that we might end up that something really awful happens.
		God forbid, I don't want it, but it would take something really awful, it seems, for Democrats to finally Speak out against what's going out and and even then to be honest, I'm not sure it would there's not gonna change the rhetoric And there's plenty of what happened in 2020 that they didn't speak out even when terrible evils were happening No,
		they put websites to bail people out in their bios is what they did But Tim is your question because you you think that this is it we're in a particularly bad place Is this why you're pushing me here?
		Well, I'm curious and I think this is a unique This is really different this time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reason I wanted to ask before I gave my thoughts is I don't want to influence what your thoughts on this particular moment may be.
		Maybe, you know, you'd say, look, I've seen stuff like this and, you know, people are going to forget about Tesla or something like that.
		But I actually argued this is substantially worse in terms of the political escalation than we saw in 2020.
		And that's because we had this conversation a week or two ago.
		Is it worse now than it was in 2020?
		And I think it is worse.
		Certainly not the amount of violence occurring.
		It's the targeting attacks, the type of violence.
		So we have the mass swattings.
		You had, what, 20 plus or more swattings targeting prominent right-leaning individuals.
		Now you have...
		So it's scaling up in every tier of the right.
		At the lowest level, some woman, for simply having a Tesla, might not even be political, gets punched in the face repeatedly by a lunatic.
		Then you have the mid-tier, the influencers.
		Getting swatted.
		You had Owen Schroyer brought out of his house with his hands up and they told him to take his shirt off because the police are pointing guns at him and cops don't know what's going on.
		Then at the highest level, of course, you have the administrative attacks, attempts to arrest and jail Trump and his people.
		But now that he won, that is being stopped by Trump at the highest level.
		Of course, we have a counter with Crispy Gnome, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino.
		But in 2020 with the riots, it was random rage.
		People were mad about Trump, they're mad about lockdowns, they're mad about George Floyd, and they were going out and attacking random things.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And everything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anything and everything.
		They burned down buildings, they attacked random people.
		That is very, very bad in terms of the sheer violence, but a riot may not go anywhere, right?
		The riots happened, I think, largely because of COVID lockdowns built up a lot of rage.
		The George Floyd story was the spark that gave people the excuse to go out and be angry.
		And they weren't overtly targeting people, though.
		There was one guy in Portland who got shot twice in the chest, and it was violent with the Chazz Chop, where they actually shot and murdered people, unloaded their rifles on some teenagers in an SUV.
		Crazy. What we're seeing now, though, in terms of political escalation is random street-level terror attacks, mid-level terror attacks in the digital space, bleeding into the physical space with swattings, mid-level terror attacks with firebombs and mass shootings on dealerships.
		This seems to me like a worrying escalation where, what happens when a leftist gets run over?
		Some guy already did that.
		He jumped the curb and drove through some protest against Tesla, and they got out of the way, he got charged.
		What happens when one of these individuals shoots one of the people that are attacking their vehicles?
		Then the left says, they're attacking us now, the fascists are attacking us.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What they did with Kyle Rittenhouse.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And that's what they did in Texas.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Remember that situation in Texas?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Do you think?
		Okay, so I have a question.
		Is part of this because I think a lot of this has to do with we live in a sick society, and there's a lot of unbelievably emotionally dysregulated people who don't know how to control themselves and who suffer because they have been fed these lines about political opposition being evil.
		But I wonder if some of it has to do with the fact that there's just this directionless feel to the Democrat Party now, where they don't have anybody to coalesce around, they don't have any actual hope for their message.
		So they're It's just violence.
		Because they don't have anybody that's giving them a message that they feel they can confidently take into the next election cycle to try and change the things that they, at least in their minds, feel are wrong.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. I mean, it's not just violence.
		It's also haplessness, right?
		Like you see them saying, Trump's going to take away our Medicare.
		That's not anywhere.
		Trump's going to destroy Social Security.
		That's not anywhere.
		They make stuff up because they don't have a policy platform and they don't have any leaders.
		The closest thing they have to a leader right now is like Jasmine Crockett.
		You know what I mean?
		And it's just because she's a big mouth and she's out there being loud.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Hakeem Jeffries.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Hakeem Jeffries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're all advocating for violence.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They're all, yeah.
		Hakeem Jeffries.
		We're going to take it to the streets.
		Maxine Waters is always about that.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		She's always the worst.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We had one of the most shocking things I've seen was when on The Daily Show, Jordan Klepper showed terror attacks.
		One of the attacks on Tesla in Vegas was a man with a rifle shooting into the building, trying to take out security cameras, then shooting wildly into a bunch of cars, graffiting up the building, and then setting fire to a bunch of the vehicles.
		And when he showed this, the audience cheered for it.
		He even was shocked and said, wow, I guess you guys like petty acts of domestic terrorism.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Something very similar on Stephen Colbert at the same time, by the way, where he made a joke like, don't attack Teslas!
		And then did a pause.
		Sorry, it's Kimmel, forgive me, it was Kimmel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But Colbert did also do something similar where he said he deserves, he said someone stole the tires off a vehicle, but he says, I don't attack the, I don't condemn the attacks, but I appreciate your tireless efforts and wins a pun award.
		He said that I think it's wrong to attack Teslas and this comes from the bottom of my CBS legal department.
		Implying he doesn't actually, and they're cheering for these things.
		So, I wonder.
		We are at a time in this country where in public people are cheering for terror attacks against anyone perceived to be right-wing.
		Even if you're just driving a Tesla, which you probably bought well before Trump or Elon had anything to do with government.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, we have DHS and ICE doing this thing where they're scouring people's social media to determine if they are immigrants who advocate for violence or who are opposed to American values or whatever the criteria is.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if they'll start doing that for the Tesla people and just start like arresting anti-Tesla people based on their social media posts.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And that will end up sparking concern from them in the same way, because they're going to say that you're being a fascist by arresting them.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is concerning to arrest someone based on a social media post alone, as we've seen in the UK.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've seen a lot of that.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		But they have to start arresting and having real justice put on these people doing these attacks, because that is what will create In a lot of cases the charges were eventually dropped.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it ends up stopping anybody.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think so many of these people are so broken and so upset and they feel so hopeless because of all of the rhetoric that they're spewed and fed every single day that they're acting so irrationally that even a rational deterrent won't work on an irrational person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they're going to cheer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. So if Donald Trump's DHS, a bunch of Nazi fascist brown shirts, go and arrest someone, they're going to say it's a badge of honor.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, and look at what happened to Luigi Mangione, right?
		He is suspected of murdering this guy in cold blood.
		It's on camera in New York.
		And California named a health care bill after him.
		Yeah, it's like the Luigi Mangione Health Care Act.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's penalties on if you delay, deny, or depose or whatever.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's penalties on healthcare companies that don't do what Luigi Mangione wants them to do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me jump to this next tweet here we have from Christine Noem, Secretary of DHS, Department of Homeland Security.
		I cannot show you the video, my friends.
		It is a man calling for people to murder ICE agents.
		And Christine Noem responds, if you threaten or attempt to harm a law enforcement officer, we will find you and prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law.
		I don't...
		Should this guy be arrested?
		Because he literally says in the video, to do it.
		He says, do this, do it.
		If they approach you, do it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		He's inciting violence, for sure.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		He's definitely inciting violence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Telling people to attack, to kill law enforcement?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty serious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. And it's brazen in public.
		And he said, because they're fascists, because they are masked individuals.
		And he says, you have a right to do it.
		And you do not.
		But this is a degree of escalation.
		And I will say this, it's so intense.
		Ladies and gentlemen, we can't play the video for you here on YouTube.
		No, it's too severe.
		I believe it is a federal criminal offense what he said.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And to be a federal it would have offense it would have to be proved that it would directly lead to Actual attacks happening, which is that the brand what's the test that it's so it's imminent harm imminent harm So you'd have to prove him in harmony This is very similar to a lot of the stuff we had going on in the UK a lot of people arrested for long periods of time I mean years some of them now some of them were just racist memes and reposting racist memes and a bit of racism here and there don't disgusting things that were said but you know Clearly not
		incitement of violence.
		But then there's some people who were arrested for planning online, on using Facebook to plan where to do certain attacks on asylum hotels, and those people were arrested.
		So you're saying that this seems to me To you, to be a felony, but wouldn't you have to prove that it would directly lead to an attack?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		No, it turns out you don't have to do that, which is crazy, but based on precedent.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Like, for example, Douglas Mackey was arrested and convicted for, what was it, like an election interference or something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was fraud, that's different from threats of violence.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Right, but there was no evidence that the DOJ could provide that showed that the meme he posted impacted anybody to do the thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In regards to violence, though, the imminent harm is the standard.
		And so that's why usually, if you said something like, I think people should do this thing, isn't illegal.
		But if you say, at this time, go do this thing.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Right, like, isn't this incitement?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This, I believe, qualifies, as he says several times, right when the video starts, he says, he says, do it explicitly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I don't, again, I can't play it because it's, maybe in the uncensored portion, but I don't want to play with this video.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		But he's referring to a specific place and a specific time.
		No. He's not.
		He's just saying.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, actually, this is where it gets interesting in law.
		If it's an imminent threat where you said, I want you to go to this place, Jim's Bar, take the, you know, go pick up one of these things and then use it to do this thing to that guy.
		You've got a person, you've got a place, you're directing them to do it.
		In this regard, he is saying, if ICE agents show up at your house or stop you anywhere, do this thing with this thing.
		He's saying to shoot them.
		He's explicitly saying, take a gun, if you see them, end their lives.
		That's what he's saying.
		I believe this qualifies as violent in the law.
		And I'd be interested to see...
		Democrats will absolutely defend him.
		If he got arrested for this, they'd say it's free speech.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They're defending Luigi Mangione.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. He shot a man in cold blood, likely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Accused of.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually don't think he did it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You don't think he did it?
unidentified		Nope. Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because the initial videos that were released, I'll say it every time, when that story first came out, we all looked at the surveillance footage and said, that looks like a middle-aged guy.
		You can tell by his hands, the top of the face that you can see, it looks like he's got older skin.
		Older folks, their skin doesn't move as well in the cold.
		You'll notice they do like the moisture test after you pinch the skin and pull it.
		You can see pressure points on his hands.
		I assumed when we first saw that it was going to be a guy who was like in his late 40s or 50s.
		Then they put up a picture of this other guy, said he was a person of interest, and he's wearing a different coat with different eyebrows and a different backpack.
		And everybody said, that's the guy.
		That's the guy.
		He's the suspect.
		And I said, guys, no.
		They're saying he's a person of interest.
		That could mean that he was maybe in the same building talking to the guy and they want to talk to him.
		Then all of a sudden, they find this Luigi Mangione guy in a McDonald's.
		Someone recognized him?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Wow. I'll add to that bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With an orgy of evidence.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm certainly with you in questioning whether he's really the guy.
		Because if you look at how the kill was done, it's a really professional job.
		And then if you look at how he was caught, how can the same person who pulled off that unbelievable Can he have
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		his manifesto in his bag?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the weapon.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I always carry my manifestos to McDonald's.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why people have said it was, in the Minority Report reference, an orgy of evidence.
		In the movie, Tom Cruise's character walks in the room and there's photos everywhere of his son who was kidnapped.
		When the inspector comes in, he goes, nah, I don't believe it.
		He's like, all of this is a stage.
		It's meant to look like The crime scene.
		Come on.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And have you seen the video of him when he's, I think he's cuffed in a jumpsuit and he's shouting at the press.
		Right. It was really interesting to watch that again because what he says is not what, it's not what someone would say.
		I've unfortunately forgotten.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said something like the American people being too stupid to believe it or something.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. It's just the way he said it didn't seem to be like the sort of thing an actual hitman would say then.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So maybe, I don't know, but in that regard, It could be a hitman got away with killing a CEO and the government is like, we cannot have a story of a rogue hitman running around.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They have to pin it on somebody.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Why have they never seen mafia movies?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's plenty of stories.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The American public would panic and it could disrupt the economy in many ways if people are scared to go outside because there's a hitman running around or a murderer.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		The American public already, no one would be surprised to learn there's hitmen in the public.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Everyone knows there's hitmen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, uh, the belief among many Americans is that there probably are, but it's extremely rare and much harder than people think.
		You know, it's usually just a sting operation, but...
		You know, back to the main point, my concern here is, if they don't arrest this guy, this is what I refer to as the...
		I didn't make this up, someone chatted this to us, the Ice Bucket Challenge of terrorism.
		But I mean, this guy made this video because he's like, I'm going to get a million views.
		And he is.
		The video from from Kristi Noem, the posting of 1.3 million, the post from Libs of 10%.
		TikTok probably has way more.
		It's got 2.4.
unidentified		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to play that video.
		We're not going to listen to this guy.
		He says it twice.
		More than that, he keeps saying it over and over again.
		That's right.
		He says, that's right.
		Do it.
		Do it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		He's dressed.
		It didn't seem That's scarier.
		Probably the most egregious part of all of this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When you have...
		Let me go back in time.
		I remembered after 9-11.
		There were reports in the news that they feared terror attacks in small suburban towns.
		They said that the terror alert has gone up and the town that they're concerned about is this, you know, insert small Ohio town.
		And I'm thinking like, why would they target the middle of nowhere?
		On the news they were saying, the terrorists want to target rural areas.
		So that people in this country feel they cannot be safe anywhere.
		Most people think if you stay out of the cities, you'll be all right.
		Wow. So, with stuff like this, and what he's saying, when it's a regular guy who's a real estate agent calling for the murder of federal agents, it's particularly worrying because it's basically saying to us, there is a normal liberal worldview circulating amongst regular workers to engage in lethal force against their enemies.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's another aspect of this which is curious to me is that the ICE agents are the villains here.
		And this can only be in the eyes of the progressive globalists who don't like borders.
		But the ICE villains are trying to get rid of violent criminal, violent murderous criminals to protect the borders.
		If you want a safe country, if you want a great America, you've got to have borders.
		And so it's curious to watch how villainized ICE agents are at this time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. You know, we had a liberal lawyer on who called them brownshirts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said they're Gestapo, they're federal, you know.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		He believed that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Yep.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		So what, does that guy believe in borders at all?
		Nope. Does he think that people should come...
		I mean...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is...
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		They haven't thought that worldview through to its full extent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting moral conundrum.
		Joe Biden says, if someone enters the country...
		Well, actually, let's go back 20...
		Go back earlier, 2020.
		During the presidential debates through 2019 and 2020, all of the Democrat candidates were asked, would you change crossing the border from a criminal charge to a civil charge?
		And they all raised their hand.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They all liked that idea, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Literally, Joe Biden says, surge the border.
		They come to the border, they enter the country outside of an official port of entry, illegally, and then as soon as they see an agent, they say, asylum!
		And then he goes, You got us!
		Guess you can stay here forever now.
		They put all these people into the system, gave them court dates, and then quietly dismissed all their court dates so they were de facto in the United States as second-class citizens.
		This is illegal.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		This is what Chuck Schumer wants, though, so that we can have, you know, depressed wages.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right. So when Donald Trump then says, we are going to arrest these people and kick them out, the left says, Trump is arresting legal migrants.
		This is the conundrum over the language.
		So now, you've got the issue of, but we need due process for these people who entered the country illegally through Biden's exploitation, and they're using it to empower their states.
		There is no reality where the actions taken by Donald Trump will ever be deemed legal, even if they're explicitly legal and under his constitutional authority, as many of these things are.
		Trump said, if you are transgender and exhibiting symptoms, you cannot serve in the military.
		However, if you are suffering gender dysphoria or transgender, and you exhibit no symptoms, you're fine.
		A judge ruled, no, you can't do this.
		Everyone is created equal and all means all.
		That literally means she just issued an injunction stating, as someone on Twitter pointed out, paraplegic schizophrenics can now enlist in the military.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like gender dysphoria is in the DSM, yet a lot of people with bad eyesight can't get into the military.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, but now you can.
		Because of this injunction, it is absurd that the president, who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, is barred from choosing who serves him.
		That's crazy!
		So this is the point of where we're at in terms of what is legal and what's not legal.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		With the border thing, and forgive me if I sound like a libtard for one moment, but is there an argument to be made that these coming across and claiming asylum Because Biden had allowed it, they were following by the laws at the time.
		And so they...
		No. No.
		Explain to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So in the United States, the president can issue executive orders.
		They're not laws, but he can direct executive agencies to behave in certain ways, which de facto can make or break laws.
		So if the United States Congress passes a bill saying, we are going to ban marijuana in every regard, I mean they basically did, but like, nothing, nothing, we're gonna arrest literally everybody.
		Donald Trump could say, ignore it, don't enforce it.
		He could instruct the AG not to prosecute.
		And so the law exists and should be enforced, but would that mean that people are I see, so that's what happened.
		Basically, because I got one for you, and I'm going to change your mind in two seconds.
		Joe Biden instructed CBP to transport children into sex slavery.
		Does that make it legal?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		He did what?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		No, this for real happened, yeah.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so what happened is...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now let me ask you if you think a civil war is coming.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		What happened is Joe Biden said all accompanied minors can get across the border, no questions asked.
		And then that went to a judge and the judge said, well, that has to apply to the families of minors as well.
		If you're doing it for unaccompanied minors, then their whole family needs to come in if that's what's going on.
		So you have literal human traffickers trafficking children across the border.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		CBP knows that they're traffickers.
		Yes. The agents know for a fact.
		Children are coming across the border with traffickers, sex slavers, or by themselves.
		They have numbers written on their arms or hand.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Or they have those plastic bracelets.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep. That they know is for sex slavery of children.
		I'm talking 12 year olds.
		And CBP, with smiles on their faces, transported those kids into sex slavery.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And what you have to do if you're...
		If the kid is coming across the border and they have somewhere to go, they tell the DHS what the address is.
		And the DHS just hands them off to HHS and HHS sends them off to wherever that is.
		And the issue is that those addresses in a lot of cases aren't anywhere.
		They're like empty warehouses.
		Or hundreds of people have the exact same address.
		These are not safe contacts.
		These are just like something to fill out the form to get the people in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or words for it.
		There's your story from the New York Post from one year ago.
		Dr. Phil tells The View host that children crossing the border are being sent into prostitution and sweatshops.
		And this isn't the only story.
		He spoke with the head of the CBP union on camera, who stated, quote, I talked to the head of all the border guards down there, the head of the union.
		I asked him straight up, kids are coming over the border with numbers written on them, phone numbers and addresses.
		Do we check those out?
		He said, well, we call them, quote, is it possible that we're sending them into known prostitution rings or sweatshops?
		He said, it's not possible.
		It is absolute.
		We are using American tax dollars to ship children into known prostitution and sweatshops.
		And when asked over and over again, like when I bring this up, the issue is clear.
		CBP agents were instructed at the highest level Savannah Hernandez did a lot of reporting on this at the border and uncovered the exact same thing.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Wow. And it was very clear.
		And she had, like, undercover CBP agents talking to her.
		She had to disguise their voices because they were terrified.
		There's, like, a rape tree, basically.
		Where there's paraphernalia left from children on this tree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the issue we have now is, yes, Joe Biden told them, you can come across the border and we will ignore the law and do whatever you want.
		And while the Democrats will say the barber was just an asylum seeker.
		Sure, sure.
		My understanding, I could be wrong, is this guy was illegally entered the country coming from Venezuela.
		It's typically implied, or I believe it's not absolute law, but you're supposed to apply for asylum in the first country of safe harbor or whatever, safe haven.
		And they all skip over all of these countries.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Trump reinstituted that and said, that's what has to happen.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You have to apply for asylum in the first safe country you get to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when we're talking about Joe Biden letting these people in, we are speaking broadly of the sex traffickers, the drug traffickers, the gangs, the cartels, the criminals, and some, I think, who are fine people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats ignore all of the crime and say they're legal asylees.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, because they change the they change, like you were saying, they change the definition of legal.
		So they add all of these sort of like sub legal categories, refugee, asylum seeker, temporary protected status, you know, unaccompanied minor without having any way to check any of the ages or where they're from or how they got there or anything.
		And so now you have Trump trying to revoke a lot of this stuff.
		Um, like revoke the temporary protected status, which is what like half a million people from Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Haiti and say like, you know, you're done.
		And the interesting thing about a lot of the people who come in on the temporary protected status program, and the refugee program is you don't have to be coming from The nation that has, you know, refugee-capable status.
		You can be living perfectly comfortably somewhere else, like you could be a Haitian who moved to Bolivia or whatever, and you're coming now from Bolivia with Haitian refugee status, even though you're basically just giving up whatever life you had constructed in Bolivia.
		Kind of like when the UN says anyone of Palestinian descent is a refugee, even if they've been, you know, in Jordan for like, 25, 30, 50 years.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Well, three generations.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Or three generations, or back to 58, whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have repeatedly called for all of these CBP agents to be imprisoned since this story came out.
		And if they're, you know, Dan Bongino stepped down from one of the biggest live shows, biggest podcast in the world to serve at the FBI, and people always say, Tim, get into politics.
		I never would do it.
		There's one thing I would do.
		If Donald Trump said, Tim, we want you to work in the DOJ, With Dan and Cash, and your only job is to find law enforcement officers who facilitated crimes against children, who otherwise broke their oath, and bring charges, investigate. Done.
		Done, Mr. President.
		Because there's a lot that I think, you know, and I'm kind of half kidding.
		I'm just saying that's how passionate I am about this stuff.
		But I think if as absurd a moment ever came up, If I was asked to go after the law enforcement officers who are facilitating children into sex trafficking because Biden told them to, I would do that in a heartbeat.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		How do they live with themselves, you know?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting question to ask, because you were talking about the lawyer who was talking about how he thinks that borders shouldn't exist at all.
		Anyways, what is it about modern day, whether it's Democrats or leftist politics, that makes it so easy to ignore stories like this?
		Is it some form of...
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, it's actually worse than ignore.
		And if I can give the example of...
		cultural examples, two cultural examples.
		One is the Sound of Freedom film.
		This film was made about Tim Ballard, about sexual exploitation and trafficking of children.
		They didn't just ignore that film.
		Yes, they ignored it.
		They demonized it.
		They slandered him.
		They went after him.
		That film, which I saw in a Los Angeles theater, in a normal theater, erupted in applause at the end.
		Everyone was in tears.
		It moved everyone.
		The people loved it.
		Did crazy good numbers.
		The people cared about it.
		How did Hollywood treat it?
		They wrote these slanderous articles.
		They called it all conspiratorial.
		Now the same thing happened in the music industry when Oliver Antony, the musician behind the song Rich Man North of Richmond, he has a line in there, I wish politicians would care about minors instead of minors on some island somewhere.
		Same thing happened again.
		They went after him for that line.
		They said it's conspiratorial, he's playing into these right-wing influencer QAnon nonsense.
		That's their attack.
		How is it that this has become a political hotbed?
		Like, this is partisan.
		This is above politics.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, there was, for a long time, this conspiracy that powerful individuals were all pedophiles and engaged in sex trafficking.
		And the media said, you're nuts.
		And then the Epstein story broke and everyone went, whoa.
		And today the big story was Virginia Giuffre posted that she has four days to live because she's in renal failure after a serious accident.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		She got hit by a bus.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hit by a bus.
		I have a question.
		Do you have any kids, Winston?
		No. You do not have any, but Libby does.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I have one son.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I would ask you, on a scale of Jason Statham to Liam Neeson, how crazy would you go if someone kidnapped your child?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I would lose it fully.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Liam Neeson?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Full Liam Neeson?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Wait, Liam Neeson is losing it fully?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Not Jason Statham?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know what you're talking about.
		I've never seen those films because I can't handle viscerally this concept of someone taking my child.
		I literally just can't handle it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jason Statham is the general...
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Total destruction.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Arson. Total insanity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jason Statham has the general movies where he goes after people generally.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he beat Rachel Zegler at the box office this weekend.
unidentified		Oh my god!
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That movie looks pretty good, actually.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But Liam Neeson had the specific movies where his kid got taken.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're joking about it, but actually this is a really good question that you ask, and it's really relevant to my country, Britain.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		You'll have heard of the British-Pakistani rape gangs, where over the course of decades, Tens of thousands of young British girls, predominantly white girls, were targeted by British Pakistani Muslim gangs because they were kafir.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Not Muslim.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It just means they didn't think highly of them.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They thought they were trash.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		They thought they were trash.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And didn't the cops also think they were trash?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		The cops were complicit.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And these kids, there were cases where the kids When they reported on it happening to them, the kids themselves were arrested in one case because the young girl was drunk and disorderly.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They got her drunk.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		But can I say why this is relevant to what Tim's question is?
		Because after decades of that, after decades of the police doing fuck all about it, and last summer we had this horrible attack taken out by Axel Rudikibana on three young girls in Southport in the north of England, and The British a lot of British men were like we've had enough Tommy Robinson is an interview with Jordan Peterson said when he was a teenager his teenage cousin was Abused by one of these rape gangs.
		And actually, this is what you're seeing in Britain is for how many decades can you go after our daughters before and not do anything before we respond?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You need to feel like full invincible.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you guys watch that show, but full invincible on these guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was gonna say I fear a full V for Vendetta, where the scene is the little girl wearing the mask is skipping down the street and the finger man shoots her and then all the people from the town show up with crowbars and baseball bats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then it's implied what happens.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, you remember you mentioned earlier, like, is this Is there going to be an event that leads to that?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I feel like information is so decentralized now and we're so disconnected as a society that there isn't one event like that that could do that the way it did in that movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reason why I ask that question is because the opening scene in Sound of Freedom, the opening, not scene, but I guess scene, is a man's children are told they could be movie stars, they could be models, and to bring them up so they could get a test screening.
		And the father brings them and they say, you have to wait outside.
		We'll come back in a little bit.
		And when he comes back, they're gone.
		And his children have been taken.
		And that, you know, the acting was superb.
		But man, that nightmare scenario.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		When I was a teenager, I was approached in Harvard Square by someone who was like, oh, you should be a model with us, blah, blah, blah.
		And they gave me their card.
		And I went home and I was like, Dad!
		And he was like, no.
		What's that card?
		Where are these people?
unidentified		That's scary, man.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, Dad, that would be fun.
		I could make money.
		And he was like, no, absolutely never.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, a lot of people told me that my opinion would change when I had a kid on a lot of things.
		And I'm like, I find it largely is the same.
		But the only thing that's changed is if it was done to me personally, it couldn't before when I didn't have a kid, and now it could.
		And Liam Neeson on Super Soldier Serum, we'll call it that.
		It would be a tremendous movie.
		People would love it.
		Superheroes and all.
		Just do a movie where you combine Captain America and Liam Neeson and his daughter gets taken again.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Have you been following what's going on with the show Adolescence on Netflix and how it's talking about knife crime and incel culture and toxic masculinity amongst kids who are only 13 years old?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I have not seen the show itself, but this is all over the papers.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen the show either.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		A lot of right-wingers are upset because they The show depicts it as a young white kid who's doing it and right-wingers are upset because they would say the violence is actually from other ethnic groups.
unidentified		I'm not sure I agree with that.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The director said that he took inspiration from the violence that horrified him about specific knife crime incidents and then people made that a racial issue.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The director says it's not that, but people make their...
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that the online social media isn't affecting boys, but it seems that it's affecting girls a lot worse.
		And examples of this would be the increase in suicide around young girls.
		JD Vance has been talking a lot about censorship and worried about how British companies are going to be censoring Americans.
		And that goes back to this online safety bill, which was inspired by the suicide of a young girl called Molly Adams.
		I think Molly Brand and she committed suicide and it led to it but so the suicide rates among young girls not only that politically women are becoming far more progressive and they're going more extreme if you look at the the data of how the election through 2024 it seemed that women were turning harder to the left but the media and the liberal media painted it as men becoming more aggressive so what they're more politically extreme What they're doing right now is they just made adolescence available to all high schools throughout all
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		of the UK, per the Prime Minister, because they want to make sure that as many people can see it as possible, because they're painting the boys in the country as the problem.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And the other thing that was interesting is that not just that, but now they're teaching anti-misogyny classes to boys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that'll work.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. This is the news from yesterday.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Toddler aged between 2 and 4 was suspended from school for being transphobic.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		What was interesting about that was it was actually the period of, I think, the school year 2022 to 2023.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It was 178 children across grades were suspended for transphobia, homophobia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull the story real quick.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't just one toddler.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me pull this up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is from the Independent.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		94 in primary school.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's pull this one up.
		Toddler accused of being transphobic or homophobic.
		homophobic, was suspended from nursery.
		So the age of the kid was what, two to four years old?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I think we're allowed to laugh at this one, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think you're allowed to laugh at basically anything.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There were more than 13 of these kids between the ages of nursery and second grade.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we are witnessing a shift that cannot exist.
		I would describe it as, ooh, what are those things called?
		Do you ever see Tamagotchis.
		No! There's a river, and there will be lakes that are shaped like crescents next to the river.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Moonbow Lake.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Oxbow Lakes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oxbow Lakes.
		This guy, he knows what it's all about, right?
		Not so learned over here.
		So how are those formed?
		Over time, the river, the water flow, there's more friction on one side than the other, causing the water to erode faster, creating a curve.
		The river then starts snaking.
		But eventually, the erosion will break through and the river will reconnect with itself, creating an oxbow, like I believe you call it.
		That's how I view leftism right now.
		What they're doing to young men will not survive for a variety of reasons.
		The left is not having children.
		They are attacking young men and masculinity.
		Young men are going to try, they're going to want to look for masculine role models.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		This is what's happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. Now, for a lot of them, it's Andrew Tate.
		It doesn't need to be Andrew Tate, but He's a guy who says, you can be strong, rich, and successful like me, and there's a lot of guys who just wish they had the power to look into a camera and say, go F yourself, I got F you money.
		So that's attractive to young men.
		The left doesn't offer anything.
		Harry Sisson?
		Come on.
		You think kids want to look like that guy?
		Sorry, and he's a young man, I know, but what?
		What do they got?
		Who's that guy who's really short?
		Robert Reich?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There should be a way to offer masculinity outside of the mold of politics, and outside of the mold of, you know, hating women and using them like trash.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		We had it, and they destroyed him, and it's Jordan.
		It's Jordan Peterson.
		He was a really, I think, noble version of that, of teaching young boys how to fight.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was, yeah.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And they destroyed him, and what, totally predictable, I mean, I'm not sure they fully destroyed him, but By trying to destroy him, they push these kids to people like Andrew Tate, who, in my opinion, is deplorable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I do think that Jordan, Dr. Peterson, only goes so far.
		You know, he had that famous tweet that went viral where he said, there are cathedrals everywhere for those with eyes to see, and it was an Evian water bottle.
		Look, Dr. Peterson has a bunch of, has tremendous insights, and for a lot of young men, when he said, clean your room!
		Find the heaviest thing you can carry and carry it!
		People were like, this is great!
		And then he was easily mocked.
		He cries too much.
		He wears a weird suit.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Those suits are...
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		the suits are weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not here to criticize the guy.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But I'd still rather have Jordan Peterson than Andrew Tate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of course, but what do you think a young man sees?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He sees the goofy guy being made fun of with a good message, and then he sees Andrew Tate, who's a world champion kickboxer, who's worth 50 plus million or however much million dollars, he's got a bunch of sports cars, and he talks about how he can have any woman he wants and he'll do whatever he says.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of really great examples of masculinity, though, in our in our popular culture right now.
		Matt Walsh is great and he has a lot of respect for his wife.
		They have a whole bunch of kids.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's still very political.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, everything is political at this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Once again, there are still areas where the left gets in their – look, the left cannot get Andrew Tate.
		Matt Walsh.
		He gets made fun of for a variety of things.
		He made fun of The Little Mermaid.
		They said, look at this grown man watching children's shows.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, he has like a hundred kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't matter.
		A young man who's 14, 15 goes online, and they see bearded Matt Walsh with a good message, and they see him easily being mocked by the left.
		Haha, he's watching children's cartoons.
		Look what he does for a living.
		He watches kids cartoons and makes fun of them.
		That's stupid.
		Jordan Peterson, they say, look at his goofy tweets.
		Andrew Tate, they say, He's abusing women.
		He's trafficking them.
		And it just makes him seem, like, dark and strong.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, and gross and horny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
		Not to—look, the young guy doesn't want to be mocked and ridiculed.
		He's looking at Jordan Peterson, who's got a better message.
		He's looking at Matt Walsh with a substantially better message, in my opinion, than both.
		He's a dad.
		He's got kids.
		And he's strong.
		And he's tough.
		Then Matt posts a picture of him holding a baby goat, which is totally fine and normal.
		But a young man looking for a ridiculous Superhero asking.
		I'm not saying Andrew Tate is a superhero.
		I'm saying they're looking for that ridiculously fake, dehydrated, you know, ripped muscle kind of guy.
		Andrew Tate is the closest thing they're going to get to a guy who can't be mocked.
		He can be insulted.
		But he's not made fun of.
		They try to make fun of him, but it never works.
		Instead, you just have a guy who posts videos where he's walking with beautiful men in sunglasses, and he laughs.
		And he does this on purpose.
		He knows what he's doing.
		Andrew Tate gets in that car.
		The reporter, do you see this video?
		The reporter asks him a question, and he goes, who are you with?
		You're a nobody, and then peels out.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		A young guy- Trump does that too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. And this is what the left can't get past.
		So my point is this.
		Young women are going to want young men who are tough.
		They don't want male feminists.
		The male feminists will become increasingly unappealing.
		There are substantially less male feminists.
		Young men, Gen Z men, are skewing to the right.
		So this means that for the liberal woman, which is 70% of millennials, when they go into the dating pool, it's going to be inverted.
		Most of the guys are going to be on the right and they're going to say, I ain't dating you.
		You're crazy.
		You're going to me too me.
		I'm out.
		And we've already seen these stories.
		They're going to have bad luck.
		The younger women are going to go, I don't want to live that way.
		I don't want to be some old, dried-up hag.
		And they're gonna go for the bad boys.
		And these bad boys are watching, unfortunately, Andrew Tate.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've hollowed out culture.
		So we have, you know, deprived our young men of role models that they used to be able to have in literature and in like good films and things like this.
		And I think that there's this void and it's being replaced by, you know, someone as horrible as Andrew Tate, which is really a shame.
		But I think that it behooves the right not to celebrate people who suck and instead to Thank you.
		books read classics look at classic films listen to good music instead of trash you know all of this stuff like we need to teach our our young men and women this so that when they're aspiring to be someone they're not looking at like you know the the disgusting millionaire guy who like bangs body modified chicks and in
		Yeah. And maybe this is implicit in what you're both saying.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		They didn't just destroy Jordan.
		They destroyed all men.
		They destroyed masculinity.
		And so it's been a long erosion where, you know, we hear all this crap about toxic masculinity.
		We've heard it for a long time.
		And I actually think we are in the rebound from that, where actually girls are going, you know what, actually, I want real men.
		And so I'm actually somewhat hopeful.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, how did you guys come up?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Because you guys didn't end up susceptible to all this nonsense.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps we're the generation before it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, OK.
		Part of it is also like there's like 20, 30, 40 years of your entertainment culture degrading men as well.
		So I posted something recently about this very, very low budget show called Blue Ridge, where this dad, now he's divorced, but he wants to remarry the woman that he lost because he was in the service, he was in the militaries and special forces, and he was just away from his family.
		But he has a daughter.
		The daughter loves and respects him.
		There's even a scene, and I'm pointing this out because like, There's a scene where a boy wants to take his teenage daughter out on a date, and he gives him the cold stare and makes the boy explain why he's right to take his daughter out on a date.
		And I said, as simplistic as that story is, it's rare now.
		And there aren't examples.
		Now, that's not a show that I really think that any Kids are going to watch, but the point is you grow up with stuff like that, right?
		You may have a family member who watches something like that, and there aren't a lot of great examples in popular culture of really, really good male role models that are not treated as buffoons.
		Homer Simpson syndrome, right?
		Where all the dads are buffoons and stupid, as opposed to being competent male role models who actually take care of their family.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, when I was growing up, I had my dad, of course, who was a no-nonsense guy.
		And let me just say, maybe as an older man, he's calmed down a little bit.
		But he was probably one of those guys who got into bar fights often for fun.
		And so growing up with a dad who was very tough and strong and didn't take anything from anybody, that obviously rubs off on me to a certain degree.
		But also growing up, I know it may seem silly, but we had superheroes.
		And my favorite hero was always Batman.
		You know why Batman's the best superhero ever?
		Granted, they've made bad iterations of him.
		At least in the 90s show, he's a regular human.
		Granted, he's rich, but whatever.
		And he inherited it.
		But Batman, when you look into the comics and you read about what his powers really are, they call it peak human performance.
		Peak human.
		Batman as a superhero was the best a human could be.
		Developing the best technology and being as strong as he possibly could with a strong moral code.
		And so I was a fan.
		I was a fan.
		It was great content.
		Superman was okay, but I didn't much care for heroes who just had powers.
		I liked regular people who were better.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I loved the Michael Keaton Batman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's good stuff.
		Yeah. You know, I like the X-Men and Spider-Man and all that stuff, but Batman was always like, you can just train.
		I absolutely love this scene in Justice League where they're interrogating a supervillain.
		And Superman's threatening him, the guy's laughing at him, and then Batman shows up and they're like, Bruce, we can't get him to talk or whatever.
		They use their first names in Justice League, right?
		And he goes, let me handle it.
		He walks to the guy and he leans in and whispers, and the guy goes, I'll say anything!
		I'll say anything!
		And what I loved about that was, Batman is just a guy.
		But he could do things no other superhero could do.
		He trained himself to be the best, he built the best technology, and he put himself above all of the other superheroes.
		It's a great character, it's a great inspiration, because It was just someone writing a story, to be honest.
		But the story was that, and this is widely believed in comic book lore, Batman can defeat literally any, as it goes, Batman will defeat any supervillain or hero given enough preparation.
		End of story.
		That's what makes him so special.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like the one where his list of all the ways to defeat the Justice League leaks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right. It was a great arc.
		And they did a crossover.
		with Marvel and DC, and Batman defeated the Incredible Hulk.
		How did he do it?
		He threw nerve gas and then struck Hulk's solar plexus, causing him to inhale, and then the Hulk passes out.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		See, that's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Batman's the best.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That's good stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And then they they ruin and bastardize with all the weird woke garbage.
		But my point is, I'm not a big fan of kids looking up to fictional characters.
		But some fictional characters are still good.
		But What they need is good role models.
		And you were pointing this out when you said they destroyed Jordan Peterson.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't watch these kinds of films necessarily.
		I'm not against them.
		But these are archetypal storytelling and archetypal heroes.
		And this is very much Joseph Campbell, the hero's journey.
		And this is what we actually need for kids, I think, is in the stories.
		And we destroyed that.
		In movies, we went away from that at our peril.
		And I think that going back to those great stories, you said it earlier, reading great books, it's not just the act of the book, it's because the example in those stories, these archetypal things, there's a reason why these biblical stories still resonate with us.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And that's where the ultimate archetypal stories are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I blame conservatives.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		There is that one specific story I can think of.
unidentified		I blame conservatives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, not completely obviously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm somewhat being antagonistic on purpose, but...
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I blame boomers, but we'll come back to that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, boomers made the next generation.
		Captain Picard was a great role model.
		Talk about...
		that scene when Data asks Captain Picard, If terrorism is so deplorable, why has it been so successful throughout history?
		And Picard says, these are questions that man has struggled with for eons.
		And he says, I don't subscribe to the belief that political power is derived from the barrel of a gun.
		Awesome role model.
		But my point is this.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I'm back on a TNG rewatch.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So good, always.
		The first Avenger, Captain America.
		It was a $140- $216 million budget.
		You combine that with marketing and its box office was $370 million.
		I'd imagine, Brett, that implies it actually lost money, doesn't it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Probably. I mean, it has to make two to three times its budget.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Now, what was this movie about?
		It was a scrawny young man with a myriad of ailments who kept trying to enlist to join the war front, to be combat in World War II, to ship out.
		And they kept rejecting him because he was scrawny, frail, flat-footed, sickly, asthmatic.
		But his character was so good, and he persevered, that they had a project, the Super Soldier Project, and one of the doctors saw in him nobility and honor.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he jumped on the grenade.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He jumped, literally, in the movie.
		Jack Nicholson, or I'm sorry, Tommy Lee, says, we don't need scrawny, we need strong!
		And he pulls the grenade and throws it, it's a dummy, and all the guys jump away and he jumps on it.
		And what that was saying was that You might be weak, you might not have the strength, you might be sick, but a noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
		What's so funny over there?
		And so that movie was tremendously conservative values.
		He's a 1930s guy.
		He wants to date the girl.
		He's very pure and very clean.
		He wants to serve his country.
		And we didn't get conservatives cheering the film on.
		It was just kind of, sure, fine, whatever.
		So what ends up happening is, The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
		This is the kind of movie you want to promote to your kids and say, you can be a hero too.
		Just be of good spirit and be of honor and truth and justice.
		Then they made Captain Marvel.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Is that the girl one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the girl one where she gets the powers by accident.
		She doesn't deserve them.
		She just gets them.
		And then she immediately becomes a snooty evil woman who steals a guy's clothes because he told her to smile.
		She has to defeat the man who keeps telling her to control her emotions.
		That movie did a billion dollars.
		Why? Because movies like Captain America before it were so good...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, it made a billion dollars because Endgame wasn't out yet.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Because the next one did...
unidentified		For sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes. But the point was the movies were so good, people wanted to see Endgame.
		So when they announced they were doing this movie, people went and saw it.
		And then they got the inverse message.
		Haha, girl power sells, and Captain America doesn't, when in fact it's all the way around.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's actually proven not to be true, because they haven't even advertised any of the women from the Marvels for the upcoming Doomsday, so...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do want to at least jump to this one story before we get into Super Chat, so we're pushing it.
		But we got this one from MSNBC.
		Panel melts down after Trump says he's serious about running for a third term.
unidentified		Oh boy.
unidentified		Quick reaction, guys, to that Trump comment, entertaining a third term.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You first, David.
unidentified		Believe him.
		I think the biggest mistake of the last eight years is we somehow fail to give credibility to Donald Trump's whims and his impulses, but we know it's true.
		And January 6th was a perfect example.
		If he says that he's not ruling it out, he's not ruling it out, and we should consider it a constitutional threat.
		Okay. Susan?
		He's been pushing the envelope on testing the Constitution, so I expect that he'll continue to do that, maybe by seeking out a third term.
		But more importantly, short term, we're not talking about Signal and that scandal, if Oh, cringe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's the point here.
		Donald Trump said he's serious about running for third term.
		He's not joking.
		And I'll tell you why he did.
		Because it changes the news cycle.
		And she points it out.
		All they want to do is talk about Signal Gate, which is like the biggest non-story I've ever heard.
		Like, I'm going to say it again, because I don't care about Signal Gate.
		The Department of Defense, the government, the president, they loop journalists in when they determine journalists should be looped in.
		A journalist got looped in, okay?
		I don't care.
		Now, do you guys think that Donald Trump is actually gonna run for a third term?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		No. No, I don't think so.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		All of the machinations of how it would have to happen would involve, like, some sort of J.D. Vance running, winning, and stepping down, and just on the basics of that alone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Aren't they talking about that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, if Trump actually ran for office.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't think that he would do that.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		What if they were talking about a loophole where it's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what if what if Trump does run in 2028?
		And when they say you're ineligible, he says, so sue me.
		And he brings it to the Supreme Court.
		The Supreme Court then determines that I believe what's what the 22nd amendment is actually unconstitutional.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they'll decide that it was signed with auto pen.
		Oh, yeah, therefore, you know, void.
		No, I don't.
		I don't think it's I don't think that's going to be the jam.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		This is why your your liberal aunt hates you because they I'm serious.
		I'm seriously we talked earlier about people Blocking off Tesla drivers and cutting them off and pulling them out of cars and hitting them.
		It's these types of comments that absolutely fill their minds with the most fantastical worst case scenario they've ever heard.
		They think he's a dictator.
		They think he's a fascist.
		And when he says stuff like this, it sets up especially the politically uninformed, the ones who only see headlines, the ones who don't look into it, who haven't paid attention to when people say outlandish things to change the news cycle.
		It would actually make him more likable to people if they were like, look, he's kind of scummy.
		He's trying to change the news cycle, but he's not doing it right.
		on purpose, but he's not doing it to actually seek a third term.
		That's actually more politically intelligent and diabolical, but that's not what they're going to take from this.
		They're going to take that they think he's a fascist dictator, and it's going to ruin your Christmas.
		It's going to ruin your Fourth of July.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not going to ruin my Easter because liberals don't celebrate that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly. What if it's all just ironic support because we're sick of the left?
		So, you know, during the holidays when the family's like, he says he's going to run for a third term and we don't really want him to, but we're like, good, I hope he wins.
		Go Trump!
		And we just, you know, You know, ingest or ironically support it.
		And then we find like 20 years later, Robo Trump is still president.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. The one thing I keep the person I keep thinking of when they talk about the Trump third term is Christine Quinn, who was the head of the city council when Michael Bloomberg determined that he wanted to run for a third term.
		And she backed his run for a third term.
		And that was the end of her political career.
		And I think that there are a lot of people who would not back Trump's third term, whether they were in favor of it or not, because that would be the end of their political careers.
unidentified		That's great.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		To be fair, Biden declared a new amendment to the Constitution with no authority.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He literally went and said, the ERA is now an amendment to the Constitution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the Democrats all agreed with him and cheered for it.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, what's the ERA?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The Equal Rights Amendment.
		It was proposed in the 70s, and then it was like, you know, so women could have equal rights across the country, because apparently all the laws that said we had equal rights across the country were not valid somehow.
		So it had to go get ratified by all the states, and it didn't get ratified by enough states in enough time, and so it was void, and the Supreme Court said, that's void, you can't keep voting on that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it did get enough votes, After the deadline.
		So the ERA, let me pull this one up, states Article 1, equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of sex.
		The Congress shall have the power to enforce by appropriate legislation the provisions of this article.
		Section 3, the amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.
		Biden says the Equal Rights Amendment is law.
		What happens next is unclear.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And all the women who oppose trans and gender ideology were against this because Biden had already remade the definition of sex to mean that men who say they are women are women.
		So you already had a lot of women opposed to the ERA.
		Who were not supporting it after it got enough votes after the deadline.
		So that was part of the story.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		You've got me on that one.
		But then if I can just on this question, one thing I noticed about Trump is that he'll say a lot to try and push the conversation and then it's out of the deal stuff, right?
		He'll say the overplay, he'll say a ridiculous thing and he ends up getting something and Uh, uh, that actually is great on the, along the way.
		Two recent examples will be Ga, Trump, Mara Gaza.
		He said that America is going to take over, which by the way, his base don't want anything to do with another president.
		Foreign Affairs We're
		good. What's the art of the deal in this?
		What's the thing he's hoping to get out of it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think what you're saying is that he's trying to move the news cycle along.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The funny thing is that Democrats have argued Trump does this, but they always seem to get amnesia.
		And the issue is whenever there's a big scandal, Donald Trump will say something outrageous, which triggers the media.
		The media then goes for the sensational headline and abandons the thing that's actually politically disadvantageous.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Which is what in this case?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think Signal Gate wasn't going away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's an obvious one.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		But you don't think...
		Okay, so Signal Gate, you said, wasn't that big a deal.
		Right. Now, I don't think Signal Gate is at all a big deal in America.
		I don't think Americans care about Signal Gate particularly.
		I think the media and the chattering classes do.
		Right. I think it's a big deal in the rest of the world.
		What? Because...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't know anything about our government.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		That might be the case, but I think what a lot of had happened is a lot of people will have seen Signal Gate and been like, oh, America really don't really want to get involved.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		They're really, you know, I think Russia and China and the adversaries of America will see that and be like, this is a China will be like, this is a really good time to invade Taiwan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean the messages of Signal Gate?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I see the leak itself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but but so my arguments initially I'm not entirely convinced now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they brought Goldberg into that chat on purpose, because he would be tricked into espousing their talking points, which it really does seem like is what he did.
		When you read these chats, I said, there's no shorthand.
		And text groups usually have more messages in this in short and not a perfect scripted yes, no, yes, no.
		That seemed weird to me.
		Why would they be having this this kind of talk two hours before the strikes?
		Why wouldn't they be flying to DC and having a discussion in a secure conference room or the SCIF to discuss these attacks going over logistics?
		For what purpose would that chat even exist?
		It makes no sense to me.
		Not to mention there was no classified information in it.
		Save the argument that launch times may be classified, I don't think they actually cared all that much.
		I don't know if the probability dictates that they intentionally brought Goldberg in, but, you know, because they wanted to trick him.
		But the message that came out, J.D. Vance, this is not aligned with Donald Trump's message, the American people don't even know who the Houthis are.
		I could not have dreamed up a better statement to the American people.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a very good statement to the American people, but it's not them that is the problem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's what Trump and his team care about.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is, but the message it sends to the adversaries of America, and I appreciate this is an America First, and I also appreciate very much the message within the signal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To address what you said about Russia and China, Trump campaigned on this.
		So Russia and China should already know.
		Iran should already know.
		Trump's not interested in foreign entanglements.
		He told the American people no new wars.
		He was championed by the Libertarians specifically because he didn't start any wars.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		That's the case, but Trump also realizes peaceful strength.
		He understands the power of deterrence.
		And so he's not someone who's like, oh, he wants no war by saying we're prepared to use war.
		He's that kind of a president.
		He understands the power he wields as American president, and that peace can come that way.
		So, the message is, my concern with those messages is that it's like, oh, he's actually not prepared.
		You know, China could take Taiwan, and Trump doesn't want to get involved.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		Pete Hegseth, I think it was Hegseth, who said in the messages, we have to do it, we're the only ones who can do it, we just need them to pay us for it.
		So, then he went ahead and did it.
		Yeah, I gotta be honest.
		I think one of the reasons they're hammering so hard on Signal Gate, the scandal, is because they don't want Trump to get the PR narrative out about the messages that were sent.
		If the story was the context of the messages, it's a great story for Trump.
		A journalist reports on the deliberations, deep and thoughtful.
		Look at what the spokesperson said.
		This looks like a deep and thoughtful deliberation over an attack.
		Trump knew that if he launched an attack on Yemen, it would make him look bad in the eyes of his supporters.
		The interview I did with Trump ended up getting a lot of play because Trump said, we are not going to do this.
		Diplomacy will work.
		So I imagine it like Trump says, we got to bomb the Houthis.
		They're blocking the Red Sea.
		Europe's pissed.
		And then they're going, we could.
		But if we do this, your base is going to be pissed off.
		We do not need foreign entanglements.
		Trump said, well, we got to do it.
unidentified		How do we how do we get the message away that we look reluctant and we don't really want to do it to the American people who majority of them do not want war?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The narrative shifted away.
		I mean, this is crazy.
		Glenn Greenwald's blasting this off.
		I'm getting tagged by tweet after tweet after tweet from all these personalities saying, look at what Trump said to Tim.
		We are not going to do this.
		And then what happened?
		A couple of days after that story, when Trump was in the scandal over all the activists and people complaining about the military strikes, it shifted to this evil journalist.
		leaked information on the president to make him look bad.
		Okay, so I'll go along with that.
		Real quick, one simplified point.
		What matters more that Donald Trump started bombing Yemen, a country we are not at war with, or a journalist published some messages?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		If that's the case, why, and forgive me if I'm being slow here, why then do the third term thing as a red herring?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Why would you want to get people off that story?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that the third term thing is specifically to shift the narrative off of Signalgate.
		It may be.
		It could be the deportations.
		The other thing that Signal Gate distracted from is Trump was in the thick of it with the judges over his deportations of Trinidad and Tobago.
		The reason why he wants to get the PR off those, they fundraise off it.
		The media runs these stories about deportation.
		Trump has to then deal with all these legal battles where they're raising tons of money.
		I gotta say, Signal Gate was a great story for Trump in so many ways.
		There's nothing to fundraise off of!
		When deporting a gay barber, They're going, Donald Trump, or, what was the name, Romesa?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Osterker, whatever.
		They say, his brown shirts are kidnapping people.
		We need your help.
		Donate now.
		The Gestapo is here.
		Trump's a fascist.
		Now the whole story in the press is, Trump's guy texted a journalist.
		Whoops. What do you fundraise off of?
		Stop Trump from texting the Atlantic.
		Give us money.
		Nope. Can't raise money off that.
		Trump running for a third term may actually help them, to be honest.
		So I don't know why he does it.
		To be honest, sometimes Trump just says dumb shit.
		You know what I mean?
		He's that kind of guy.
		Steve Bannon mentioned it and he goes, well, do it, maybe.
		I'm not joking.
		He's poking fun or he's prodding, whatever.
		Yeah. But...
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		He does like to say stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But maybe I'm crazy.
		Maybe they really just brought some moron into the chat.
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		T-Bomb.
		He said this before the show even started, by the way.
		Civil War?
		Sorry, those aren't brain-dead Dems, they're just zombies!
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		Info on Discord.
		Oh, okay.
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		You can sign up, play video games with other people.
		I thought it was going to be a more serious one about Civil War, but well done.
		Let's go.
		Cochizzle says, Hey yo, chicken, much love, all.
		Did I get first?
		You didn't, but I like the chicken emoji.
		It was greatly appreciated.
		All right.
		TheRealHydroPX says, Tim, I liked the hoodie you were wearing on Friday.
		But what will you tell your kid when they get old enough to ask why you dress the same every day?
		They won't.
		Because they're going to, every day, see me wearing the exact same thing, and it'll be normal, and they're actually going to say, Dad, or she's going to say, how come people wear different clothes all the time?
		And I'm going to say, because they haven't found their identity yet.
		And they're constantly trying to find ways to stand out.
		Poor, poor people.
		Poor people.
		I'm kidding, by the way.
		Alright, let's grab some more.
		What do we got?
		Philip Mitchell says, Trump 2028, I would certainly vote for him over any Democrat.
		Yeah, I would.
		Grog Bear the Fearsome says, holy crap, from Mumford& Sons, that was my high school experience.
		Glad to see and hear you.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Wassup? Glad to have soundtracked to your high school experience.
		I hope you had a good high school experience.
		It wasn't a negative association.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is this?
		Shugie says, 98% of this country has never thrown a punch.
		Let's be serious.
		Women have thrown more fists than the men.
		I don't know if that's true.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Maybe less they're driving Teslas than people are throwing punches left and right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I actually think this might be true.
		There's two questions.
		Well, there's a lot of questions.
		But one is, there's more guys doing combat sports, so they're throwing a lot of punches.
		However, on average, a woman's punch is not that powerful.
		Bad, so they're probably throwing punches more because there's less of an impact.
		If, like, a woman playfully punches a guy in the shoulder, actually hurting him doesn't really hurt him that bad.
		It's like, you know, a light jab.
		Guys tend not to punch unless they really have to because a guy actually punching would flatten.
		You know, a lady or another guy.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Men are doing more contact sports and whatever.
		What do you call it?
		Wrestling and MMA and all this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Combat sports.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Combat sports.
		Do you think that that reduces the amount of fighting out in the streets?
		Because men are more constrained.
		They have a place to vent that sort of energy and more control over themselves.
		So if that is true, then yes, women may well be throwing more punches.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed. Well, I think...
		Again, the consequences of a woman throwing a punch is minimal.
		The consequence of a man is great.
		So guys aren't going to be refraining from punching.
		But I don't know.
		I don't think it's true.
		I'm saying there's a potential argument there.
		Crash Bandit says, Leftists are locking political opponents up all around the Western world.
		This is not just a USA problem.
		France, Poland, Hungary, on and on.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we've seen that today with Marine Le Pen, who's favorite for the 2027 presidential election, and she has been down for embezzlement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which is fake, it's all fake.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It seems a little...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was that she was paying aides with money that was supposed to be for aides from a different region or something, or a different country.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Even if it was real, the current sitting prime minister, not president, prime minister of France, whose name I think is Bayrou, I've forgotten exactly, Had very similar charges and he did not get the same sort of punishment.
		So there's a different Double he was found guilty, but not Not barred not barred and and so there's definitely a double standard.
		She is a big threat to Europe because she is anti-eu I would note and it's important to know she is a national socialist and She's described as far, right?
		the Parti Rassemblement National are very much National Socialist I saw this really great post on an anti-Trump subreddit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's actually called anti-Trump.
		That's a subreddit.
		I browse all of these forums and stuff.
		I like to see what the left is talking about.
		And it said something like...
		How do I explain to my, you know, relatives how bad Trump is?
		And one of the top, the top comment was, Trump is trying to destroy the liberal economic order that was created after World War II to create strong economic ties between nations that would prevent the world from falling into further chaos.
		He's trying to destroy this and dismantle it because he cares more about America, blah, blah, blah.
		And I was like, based.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Well, that actually ties into...
		Have you read Rusty Reno?
		R.R. Reno?
		This is a worldview that I prescribe to, which is that after the war, Karl Popper wrote his book, The Open Societies and Its Enemies, and George Soros was one of his students at the London School of Economics.
		What Popper did was he separated the world, he created this dichotomy, one which I believe is a false dichotomy, is that open societies you had democracy, freedom, liberty, and in closed societies not only did you have fascism and Nazism, which we all agree should be,
		are bad, but he also threw in nationalism and religion and so But more importantly, that book has the footnote of the tolerance paradox, which is that anyone who incites intolerance, that should be deemed criminal.
		And the reason why I think that this comment is right, because the populist movement we're seeing worldwide is a, I think, reaction to the post-World War II consensus.
		And a lot of the globalism, the Davos, this comes from that consensus, is that one of the lessons from World War II is nationalism is bad.
		Actually, in America, I don't think you learned that lesson, because it was America defeated Nazism because of your nationalism.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		We defeated it with nationalism.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		You did.
unidentified		In Europe, we learned a different story, which was that it was nationalism that caused But we ended up with anti-nationalism eventually and the destruction of our borders.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I do think that was born from this ideology.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And I do think that Trump and all the populists are a reaction against the post-World War II consensus.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, we had, like, once the end of history hit, you know, we were definitely Anti-nationalist, anti-America, anti-conservative values, anti-religion, all of that stuff.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And the populist movement is a sovereigntist movement.
		It's about sovereignty.
		It's about the people taking back control of their borders, of their democracy, of their power.
		That's what Brexit was, and that's what I see happening in Argentina.
		A lot of the Maloney in Italy, France, Le Pen kind of gets put into that.
		She's a bit complicated in my opinion, but yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's read this one.
		We got this from Jeremy over at The Quartering.
		Tim, please shout out Brad Schimmel.
		And yes, on Voter ID, the vote is tomorrow in Wisconsin.
		We need the Beanie Crew.
		We're behind but can come back.
		This is big.
		You've got a major issue with the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
		They're going to redistrict.
		That's the fear.
		And they're going to give Democrats two new seats and take them from the Republicans if this happens.
		So everybody in Wisconsin, You must look this up.
		You got to do what you got to do.
		You got to do your duty.
		You got to go vote.
		You got to go vote!
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And this is what Elon's doing up there, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, yeah.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		If you're lucky, you might get a million dollars from Elon if you do it the right way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon, I'm a big fan of Elon.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Has he been on the show?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He has not.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		But he'd fit right in here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably.
		We've talked about it before.
		You know, here's the thing with how we do booking.
		We're not very forceful.
		So, you know, we've had a lot of people from the Trump admin and even the Trump family come on the show.
		And they'd always say, like, we can get you a show with Donald.
		And I'm like, eh, you know, like, if it happens, it happens.
		I'm not the kind of guy who goes and pounds on the door over and over again, begging, you know, this kind of stuff.
		So we've reached out to Elon.
		He's actually, I think, agreed to on some occasion, but we just never really get around to it.
		He's a busy guy.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		He's a busy guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we'd be lucky to have him if we ever did.
		He does follow me on X, but I try not to pester people, you know.
		People try to DM me all the time and stuff, and I'm like, Everybody's always trying to go up the ladder of who they can DM for some favor or whatever, so I try to avoid them.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		You say that, but you're also very warm and you seem to look after people.
		Have you always been like that with Not Passion?
		Was there a time at the beginning when you were building this thing where you actually did?
		Because when I started with my show, at the beginning, trying to get guests is that bloody hardest thing.
		You get to a certain size, people want to come on the show because they know it's good for them.
		But you weren't like that at the beginning?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		You know, we got lucky.
		In the beginning, we had a few guests who were not, you know, particularly as big.
		I think Corey DeAngelis was one of our first guests.
		And then we weren't planning on doing guests.
		We were like, we'll see what happens.
		COVID happened, and we had no guests.
		But the show ended up getting really big because of the lockdown.
		Everybody was watching podcasts and nothing else to do.
		And then when they lifted the first lockdowns, we started booking people.
		We had a massive viewership at that time.
		We were getting I mean, it was it was nuts during COVID.
		We were getting like over a million per day, every night.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		No way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was it was absolutely bonkers.
		And the segments from the show we're getting like half a million each is absolutely ridiculous.
		But the ad rates were gone, because nobody was buying ads anymore.
		So we weren't really making a lot of we're making a lot of money.
		Don't get me wrong.
		But like, relative to the views we were getting, the money wasn't there.
		Don't get me wrong, like a lot of money was made.
unidentified		But What were the views before COVID?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		What was that like?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We started two months before COVID started.
		We were getting between 2,000 and 7,000 concurrent viewers.
		My morning show was big, which now IRL is the big show.
		But before we launched IRL, TimCast, the morning show, my main podcast, was like the 34th biggest in the world.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Wow. Are you still doing that show now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but now it's not even on the shirts.
		IRL took it.
		Ran away with it.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		So sorry, so this is Tim.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		This is IRL.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is IRL.
		Yeah, okay, so you don't want to show you do this Yeah, so there's a Tim cast on YouTube, which is now largely the culture war, but we brought back The so it's an hour-long daily news on the what was like usually the biggest story and so that channels basically come back every day at 4 p.m We're putting up those videos again,
		and then Then then we've got segments at 10 noon 1 3 and 6 Okay, so it's five independent independent 20 minute and four 10 minute segments, an hour long show, which is exclusively on Rumble live at noon, but then becomes the hour YouTube video at four.
		And then Timcast IRL, which is two and a half, two hours, 45 minutes.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		And did 20, did you have a good 2024 of the election year?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		That must have been a big bump.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. They've all been good.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. And is it that, have you maintained into 2025?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, actually, yeah.
		So our viewership's improving, but it's largely due to Strategy and work and things like this.
		So, strangely, you know, a year ago, when YouTube launched shorts, we were getting millions on every short.
		And then they changed the algorithm, and now it's prioritizing a different style of short, and now we get only a few thousand, despite doing them the exact same way.
		That's the annoying thing about how YouTube changes the algorithm.
		But now we're changing the algorithm again, and we're making unique videos.
		The goal is, obviously, in the morning show, it'll always do better than IRL shorts, because for the morning show, It's like, I watch and react to content all day, and the shorts are just minute-long versions of that, so we found a better way to do them.
		But, uh, yeah.
		Viewership has largely improved.
		In fact, when we launched this deal with Rumble, our IRL viewership more than doubled.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Wow, fantastic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So seriously, yeah.
		Like, it's pretty crazy, because, um, when we launched in mid-February, we were getting, on average, maybe like 50,000 concurrents on YouTube.
		When we joined with Rumble, it split the audience a little bit.
		But today, I think we had 67,000 concurrence.
		So Rumble's audience is a different audience that didn't know the show and didn't watch it.
		But now that we're there, they get exposed to it.
		So it's kind of crazy because now on Rumble, we get like 300 to 400k.
		On YouTube, we get like 300, 400k.
		Then on the audio side, we get 100 to 200.
		So we're getting like a million an episode now with the Rumble deal.
		Rumble, I don't know if you guys saw this.
		Shout out to Rumble.
		They own almost every single top live news show now.
		So, the rankings that come out every day?
		Last Monday, on the 24th, the top 15 live streams for news content, 11 were Rumble.
		It's wild.
		And there are people, they don't like Rumble taking over the game.
		They don't like it, but it's happening.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		What are those top shows?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The top three, actually, I think, were Crowder, Vince, and then me.
		And then you've got Viva Frye, I think...
		I can pull it up, actually.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		There's something I've been noticing.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I was wanting to pick on your guys' attitude from the inside, but looking at the American media escape, it seems to have changed quite a lot even since the election.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Take a look at this.
		And this was last Monday.
		I believe it was the last Monday, right?
		The 24th?
		Am I getting this wrong?
		Yeah, last week Monday.
		Crowder number one, Vince number two, Timcast number three, Quartering number four, Timcast IRL number five, Bonjina Report with Avita and Haley was six, Redacted News was seven, then you had Live Now from Fox at number eight, and number nine was Timcast IRL again on YouTube!
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		So you got three in the top ten?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		You're like the Fatals of Newscasting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The funny thing is, if you were to combine the two shows, we probably would have been Tim Castellaro, probably would've been number three.
		But then you have Julia Green on Rumble, Bannon's Warren on Rumble, Viva Fry on Rumble, Glenn Greenwald on Rumble, then Benny Johnson, and then Midas Touch.
		The top 15, 11 were on Rumble.
		Because Rumble's doing, not only they're doing the morning lineup, but they're also featuring people throughout the day on the front page, which is free advertising for people who are producing good content, who are on that platform.
		And this is top news.
		If you look at the actual top all streams, I think Tim Cass was number four.
		Because there was someone on like Kick or whatever doing gaming content that always wins.
		But yeah, it's been massive, man.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		The only one you could say is from the left is Glenn Greenwald, and he's from the old left.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Is there anyone else there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Might as touch.
		He's super far left.
		Or I hate to say far left.
		Glenn Greenwald is in our worldview.
		He's more of a liberal guy, but you know, he's anti-establishment.
		He's more likely to find himself on the free speech side.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		He's epistemologically pretty similar to us.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		He just has different ideas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is actually massive.
		I will say this.
		The only true left liberal show is Midas Touch.
		On the whole of the top 15 in news.
		That's crazy.
		The top 15 news live streams.
		All considered right-wing.
		Now if we actually want to break this down, it's not.
		It's not all right-wing.
		You can say Crowder's right, Vince is right, Timcast is moderate, Quartering is moderate, IRL is moderate, Bongino is right, Redacted is probably right.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Definitely right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		IRL again, Julia Green is gonna be right, Bannon is right, Viva Frye moderate, Glenn Greenwald liberal, Benny Johnson right, Midas Touch left.
		One actual left.
		That's crazy.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Wow. Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shoutout to Rumble, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even right now on Rumble we got more viewers than YouTube.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		My show hasn't made the top 15. I'd be surprised.
		Oh, actually, it's not a live streams thing.
		But you can see the Winston Marshall Show on Rumble.
		Is anyone listening?
		I do.
		Come on over.
		The water's fine.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah. Is that where you broadcast?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You're broadcasting on Rumble?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		We do Rumble and YouTube.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nice. Yeah, The Morning Show has been massive too.
		So now you can see here, Timcast, The Morning Show is the third biggest live stream.
		Since I launched on Rumble, The Morning Show is now getting, it was getting between two and three hundred thousand on YouTube.
		Now we switch it to exclusively for an hour on Rumble and it's getting 300 to 400 thousand, sometimes more.
		Then it goes up at 4 p.m. as the YouTube video, it's getting about a hundred on average, but it's only been a week.
		So we'll see.
		Those videos used to get, on my main channel, I used to get half a million.
		Between 250 to half a million, but then I stopped producing those videos, so we'll see.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to get your guys' opinion on what's happened to the media in America since the election.
		We know all about what's happened to media before the election.
		It was the podcast election, that's what they're calling it.
		So where are they going?
		And obviously since the election, you know, Gavin Newsom and Michelle Obama, they're trying to start their podcasts.
		But there's a few other curious things that happened.
		Firstly, what the hell is happening at the Daily Wire?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got information.
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		What's the scoop?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We gotta go to the Members Only Uncensored, though.
		It is past 10 o'clock.
		So I have information pertaining to what's going on at the Daily Wire, of course, because I know these guys and I know people who work there.
		And so I hear whispers.
		There are friends of the Timcast, we call them.
		We don't call them spies.
		Does anybody know that reference?
		I just watched Silo.
		I binged it.
		Great show, by the way.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Apple TV.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Silo's good.
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		Winston, do you want to shout anything out?
winston marshall ▲ ● ▼		Please come over to the Winston Marshall Show on YouTube, Rumble and all usual podcast outlets and we do politics just like this but with a little bit of a British spin.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I'm Libby Emmons.
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brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on Twix, at Brett Dasovic, on both of those platforms.
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		Mary will be back tomorrow.
		It's going to be a lot of fun.
		See you there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all in about 30 seconds over at rumble.com slash TimCastIRL.

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