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DHS Vows To HUNT DOWN Leftist Terrorists Amid SWATTINGS & Tesla TERROR w/Peter St Onge | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
The DHS will hunt down the swatters targeting conservative figures.
Over this last night, several more individuals were targeted, notably Owen Schroyer of Infowars.
And he published a video, and it's actually rather terrifying when you see it.
Well, firstly, because these men have guns pointed at his house, and he walked out carrying his phone, and they were like, drop it.
And he's like, I'm going to record this.
They make him take his shirt off, walk backwards, get on the grounds, put his hand on his head.
And this is what the leftists are trying to do.
Now, it's not just the swatting.
It is also the attacks on Tesla, the domestic terror.
Pam Bondi says this is domestic terror, issuing a statement from the DOJ.
Hopefully, we get some accountability before things escalate too much, but we do have many more stories, not just of the swattings, but of people vandalizing Tesla vehicles.
In one video, a guy swings a luggage bag at the vehicle, causing thousands of dollars worth of damage.
And there's another video where a guy sticks his hands on the back of his pants, and yeah, you can figure out where that's going.
Yikes.
Now, Elon Musk is funding GOP politicians who may impeach these judges impeding Donald Trump, because it's not just right now.
Guys, please don't freak out, but it's not just the turning around the Trendy Aragua criminal aliens that Trump has the full authority to do.
It's not just that.
They tried to stop him.
They sent him out anyway.
It's not just that a judge ruled that there is no prohibition on any DSM-5 mental disorder in the military.
I kid you not.
In putting an injunction on Trump's banning of transgender military personnel from serving, the judge went so far as to say all means all and anyone should be allowed to enlist.
This means that if you are suffering from paranoid delusions and schizophrenia and you can't tell up from down, you must be affirmed in your belief and allowed to enlist in the military.
This is the craziest thing I've heard.
And then, as I said, don't freak out.
A judge has ordered male inmates into a female prison.
And I know that one's going to light people up quite a bit and get them pretty angry.
So Elon Musk says, let's impeach these judges.
But you're going to need...
Two-thirds of the Senate.
Not likely to happen.
Some activists are saying, just use a simple majority and defund their districts and take away any federal grants they got and see how quick this stops.
There's a lot more to talk about, ladies and gentlemen.
Steve Bannon says that Trump is going to run for a third term, which I think is just silly, but sure, we'll talk about it.
And Greenpeace has been ordered to pay $660 million over the Dakota Access Pipeline protest.
Crazy stuff.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Peter St. Ange.
peter st onge
Thanks for having me on, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
peter st onge
So I'm a former professor.
I was teaching at an MBA program out in Taiwan.
Felt like I was kind of not really in the fight way over there.
I wasn't manning the wall.
Came back, worked at a think tank up in Montreal.
COVID-19 hit.
Everybody got wiped out.
Came to the U.S., where I'm from.
Joined the Heritage Foundation.
And about two years ago, I started doing daily videos on freedom of economics.
Those took off.
I was kind of surprised.
They're very short, three and a half minutes, so not too painful.
And that kind of blew up.
Everybody shares your videos on X. A lot of people share them, and honestly, it was Elon.
As soon as Elon bought Twitter, I immediately sat down.
Before then, I figured, okay, why start anything?
It's just going to get censored.
Why bother?
You know, you spend whatever, months and months building something up and then it gets nuked.
As soon as he bought Twitter, I started making plans and then got it up like four months after.
So huge impact from Elon.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, I'm looking forward to the conversation.
We were talking a bit about economics, taxes, gold, and what the apocalypse will look like.
And considering all this news about far-left violence, we're going to need to consider, is it going to be bottle caps, maybe lipstick?
But we'll get into that.
Thanks for hanging out.
Ian's here.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm pumped, man.
You said you were part...
You identify with the libertarian models of thought, but you don't get into that libertarian party.
peter st onge
Right.
ian crossland
Anyway, we'll go deeper into it on the show.
I'm just happy to be back, you guys.
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I'm Ian Crossland.
Glad to be back, Phil.
What's going on, baby?
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, and I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
I did want to point out that our guest tonight is an Austrian economist, and he is...
Not friendly to the Libertarian Party, and that is something after my own heart.
I like a lot of Libertarian ideas.
The Libertarian Party is the most annoying thing in the world.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
Like, real quick, anarcho-capitalist?
peter st onge
Yes, absolutely.
tim pool
So not one of these graph-go-up-lulbertarians?
peter st onge
Right.
And I hope we can get into that during the show.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
peter st onge
Yeah, the reason for that, yep.
tim pool
All right, well, let's start with this.
We have two stories that kind of go hand-in-hand.
The first is the DHS.
We have the DHS and the DOJ targeting the far-left extremists, the terror.
But we're going to start with the swatting because we've got an update.
Owen Schroyer, the video put out, is insane.
DHS will hunt down swatters targeting conservative figures.
Secretary Christine Noem says, under President Trump's leadership, we will not sit idly by.
As conservative new media and their families are being targeted by false swatting.
DHS.gov has the ability to trace phone numbers and track location information.
We will use it to hunt these cowards down.
This is an attack on our law enforcement and innocent families, and we will prosecute it as such.
Take a look at this.
Owen Schroer tweeting, just got swatted.
This is just one of the videos he has, where police came to his door, weapons trained, and brought him out, made him take off his shirt, put his hands up, walked backwards.
This is manipulating law enforcement to force them to engage in or to cause terror of these individuals.
There were a couple other individuals that I saw.
Some of these individuals getting swatted are not particularly prominent.
No disrespect.
But it's local news picking it up.
The stories we see tend to be these big national figures.
But then in the media, there are smaller conservative personalities being targeted as well.
ian crossland
Possible that it's foreign agents using throughputs to get to a local number.
Man.
I told Chase Geiser, who had experienced this a week ago or so, he was swatted.
And we talked and I was like, contact your local police department.
You know, streamer.
And if you are a streamer, you should do the same.
Get to know your local cops.
Because if they know who you are and they know you're prominent, if they get that call, they're going to know ahead of time that they don't necessarily need to kick the door down.
There's probably some malfeasance going on.
phil labonte
That's a really good point.
It's worth noting.
Whether you're in the political realm or even if you're just a regular streamer, it's a good idea to let your local law enforcement know to the degree that you can.
I mean, if you're in a big city, it's harder to get in touch with police and make them aware.
If you're a smaller town, you can definitely reach out to your local law enforcement and say, look, I'm a low-level public figure.
Don't try and pump yourself up, but just be like, look, if someone ever calls in these kind of calls, let me know first.
Call me.
I'll be there.
This kind of stuff happens from time to time, so it's a really good point, Ian.
ian crossland
Thanks.
And additionally, if this kind of thing, I don't take sides on this, man.
If this kind of thing was happening to...
phil labonte
I do.
I'm on the side of the people that are not doing the swatting.
ian crossland
Exactly.
The righteous path.
And if people were swatting, and I'll pick on you, Sam Cedar, who I love you, Sammy.
But if you, for instance, who's considered on the left, I would be up in arms if people were swatting people like Sam.
It's not cool, man.
So we got to get this resolved.
And I'm glad that they're doing it.
tim pool
Sure.
So I'll say this.
If you look to any prominent liberal, they're going to decry this and say, of course we oppose this.
And then they're going to advocate for violence.
They're going to celebrate Luigi Mangione.
They're going to turn on Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert, who essentially encouraged people to commit acts of terrorism.
And I'll clarify this with full context.
Jimmy Kimmel made a joke where he goes, don't vandalize Tesla vehicles.
Anyway, and then everyone busts out laughing.
Because the implication was to it.
And Stephen Colbert said he appreciates the tireless effort of the individual who vandalized a bunch of vehicles, stealing their tires, and said the reason he doesn't condone the violence, that that condemnation comes from the deepest pit of his CBS legal team.
The insinuation, of course, everyone laughed over the acts of terror.
I mean, they are shooting up buildings with guns.
The insinuation is it's funny that people are doing it.
And they have no remorse.
So just real quick, for these prominent liberals who would dare come out and be like, we don't want any of this, yeah, tell Bill Burr to shut up because these prominent individuals on your side keep calling for more.
phil labonte
Look, the left, I've been in a bit of a back and forth with some people on X about this, whether or not this is terrorism.
There are people that are saying this isn't terrorism.
The intent is clearly to frighten people and to harm Harm Tesla, harm people that would buy Teslas, scare people away from supporting Teslas or buying their stock or whatever.
The intent is to use violence to frighten people for a political end.
It is a purely political thing, and there's no question that that is the textbook definition of terrorism.
peter st onge
So the definition of terrorism is violence or intimidation for political ends.
phil labonte
Thank you.
peter st onge
The trick here is that for 50 years, it has not been prosecuted on the left.
And so the left just can't get it through their heads.
They burned down entire cities.
They just did it a couple years ago.
Nobody gets arrested.
If they do, it's a slap on the wrist.
So they can't get it through their heads that left-wing political terrorism is actually terrorism.
phil labonte
Yeah, um, what's the...
tim pool
I gotta mess.
I think they're just...
They're fully aware of it.
They're just lying.
I mean, you take a look at the court cases with Donald Trump.
The judges keep saying Trump can't do this, Trump can't do that.
In the instance of the deportation, it is completely within Trump's authority to deport criminal aliens.
Obama did it to a tremendous degree.
And they said, where are the trials for these individuals?
Ask Obama, I guess.
The point is this.
It's not about whataboutism.
They know Democrats have done this.
They did not care.
They are only pretending now that Trump does it.
They are claiming that Trump is pushing us towards a constitutional crisis when Trump uses executive authority as he's allowed, and then their judges that violate jurisdiction, that extend beyond their jurisdiction, make orders of Trump, which he can't abide by, and then say he's causing the crisis.
This is the game.
They will engage in terror, and then they will joke about it and claim it's not happening.
Or act like they don't like it while encouraging it.
ian crossland
You're going to say something here?
Okay, about this Trump deportation, the judge trying to put a stay on it.
This is a bit of a tangent from this story, but I want to...
Flesh this out.
So Trump said Trendy Aragua is a terrorist organization.
And then he said, now, by my legal authority, because they're a terrorist organization that has been invading at the whim of a government, at the will of a government, because he has the paperwork, apparently, I can just get them out of here with this 1789 act and the illegal whatever it was called.
tim pool
Why mention that?
ian crossland
Because he was the one that said...
No, no, no.
tim pool
Why mention 1789?
ian crossland
When the act was written.
So he's taken an old law.
It doesn't matter.
I'm just explaining this is the law he used.
He used a law.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Don't bring up when it was codified.
It's a material.
ian crossland
Okay.
It's been in our government for hundreds of years for a reason because it's an important thing for the president to be able to do in a wartime situation or if there's an invasion.
So if Trump says the Proud Boys are a terrorist organization, I'm declaring it.
Now I'm going to...
Deport all of them.
tim pool
You can't.
They're citizens.
ian crossland
Hold on.
Okay, but what if it was another foreign group that wasn't really terroristic and the president said they were and then started deporting them?
tim pool
You'd think there'd be a lawsuit about the declaration of Tren de Aragua as a terrorist organization.
ian crossland
Okay, so you'd have to take it back to the declaration itself.
That makes sense?
tim pool
Right.
So the reason I bring up the year is that the corporate press has been using this 18th century law as a means of discrediting it.
When the great point was made the other day by our Super Chats, or actually this was yesterday morning on the morning show, murder is codified in law well before the existence of the United States.
Are we going to go using a 13th century law or a 3rd century law?
Trump thinks that he's going to be able to bar.
So you have people who we know are not citizens.
We know are criminals.
The only concern I have is that Trump be transparent and the administration show a list of the individuals that are deported.
That's the due process they deserve.
Are you a citizen, yes or no?
Here you go, everybody.
Here's the bio of the individual, their name, where they come from.
They are criminals.
They are not citizens.
We deport them.
peter st onge
And we have a long history of going to war with organizations that are not governments, right?
We just got off the Global War of Terror.
That was going on for 20 years.
That was often, I don't know what the legal mechanism is, but we were effectively fighting organizations.
The very first war in our nation's history was against pirates.
So this is the shores of Tripoli.
tim pool
That's the song, right?
peter st onge
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that was the origins of the Marines.
We had an invasion by Pancho Villa.
Around 1900, 1910.
So that was an organization that Mexico could not control.
He was allegedly not under the control of the Mexican government, but it was treated like a war.
So we have a long precedent.
This is not something new.
You can go to war against organizations that are not formally governments, just like you can go to war against governments.
tim pool
Now, Ian, we can have a conversation if Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi arrest a bunch of Antifa.
Because they're domestic terrorists and Trump tries to deport them to El Salvador.
Then we're going to have a conversation.
ian crossland
Because they're citizens.
tim pool
Because they're citizens and they should be in an American prison with American due process, American citizens, and all the Constitution affords them, even if they're disgusting criminals who are committing acts of terror.
I don't believe that is a reality.
Like, the idea that they're going to catch one of these morbidly obese guys.
You know, in all black at a Tesla dealership and then be like, to El Salvador with ye, I really don't see happening.
But I will absolutely call out the administration, should they do that, you have my word.
ian crossland
Yeah, or the next administration, if they're like, alright, who's, because of the Patriot Act, the president has such authority now since the Patriot Act to be like, this group's bad.
This group's a terrorist organization.
I don't know who can challenge the president from declaring that.
Is there someone?
I don't know enough about that.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure literally anyone in the United States could file a lawsuit challenging that declaration.
Presumably, if you're going to have standing, it's going to be some association with the group.
So if Trump came out and said the Proud Boys are terrorists...
They could file a suit and say it's an improper designation.
In fact, I'm not actually sure there is an official domestic terror designation for any American groups because of the First Amendment.
Labeling foreign groups terrorist organizations is because they're specifically not American.
So they do not, as foreign entities, they are not subject to the rights of the Constitution.
When they enter this country, they are now invaders and they are not subject to the rights in the same way.
If you are an illegal immigrant who entered...
For, like, you came in for economic reasons, you're going to get granted a decent amount of constitutional rights.
I know a lot of people on the right don't like that, but that's true.
And the protection is for you, not the illegal immigrant.
To prevent the government from arresting, searching, and seizing American citizens, it's going to apply to any human body.
However, if you are a known Trendy Aragua member and they're investigating you, they're going to arrest you, put you on a plane, and send you out, and they're going to say, we did.
And in fact, there was a ruling in 1948, this has gone viral, That already set the court precedent that deportations under the Alien Enemies Act do not require judicial review.
Saying that judges have neither, what did it say, neither the jurisdiction nor the competence or something to that effect.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's exactly right.
tim pool
Could you imagine, I mean, I don't want to go too far into this because we are going to talk about it later.
A scenario where, with all these people, I said, imagine this.
Donald Trump tells Israel.
We are going to cut military funding and aid and pull our personnel unless you stop bombing Gaza.
And Israel says, no, we're going to keep doing it.
So Trump says, fine.
I order all U.S. military assets onto planes to fly back to the United States.
We are cutting Israel off.
And then a single district court judge bangs the gavel and says, no, do not do that.
Send all the military equipment and funding back to Israel.
These people would be apoplectic.
These Israel critical individuals.
It's like on the left.
ian crossland
Times of war, times of invasion.
And these words are like, obviously, we haven't been at war since World War II.
We haven't officially been at war.
So that's off the books.
Invasion.
And now, like, do you consider it an invasion?
And some judges are like, no!
And some are like, yes.
tim pool
That's always how it's been.
Judiciary interprets.
ian crossland
And so you get these judges like, it was an invasion, therefore these people cannot be deported.
tim pool
And that's the point of the Supreme Court.
So the issue is the president...
has the authority as it pertains to law enforcement, and the law says he can do this.
It's insanity that anyone would be arguing that a single district court, a lower court, could order the president to stop international negotiations.
That's what happened.
Trump negotiated with El Salvador to hold known criminals, and they agreed.
A plane was transporting the criminals to El Salvador, and a judge said, turn it around.
That's laughably psychotic.
You cannot tell the president to cancel his negotiations with world leaders.
Because, again, I'll give you another scenario.
Trump is talking to Putin and says, we want to end the war in Ukraine.
And Putin says, I know you have special forces and weapons coming into Ukraine.
And then Trump says, OK, we will pull our special forces and the funding.
And the war is over.
And Putin shakes his hand and then pops up CBS News and they say, a lower court judge banged the gavel and said, no, we're going to keep funding the Ukrainians.
Putin would be like, why am I wasting my time talking to a man who can't make a deal?
So it's insane to think that Trump can't set this policy.
phil labonte
This does speak to the broader fact that there's, you know, many...
I don't know if there's actually a concerted effort or if it's just because of their ideological bent, but they're trying to stymie the elected president, trying to prevent him from doing things that he was elected to do.
And this is a problem, obviously, because the president is elected by the people to perform duties that the...
People want.
So if he gets elected and these judges are going to just say, well, we have a different ideology than the majority of the people that voted for the president, and so we're going to interpose ourselves between the president or between the people.
tim pool
I think that's fine.
I'm totally fine with it.
unidentified
100%.
phil labonte
I'm not.
tim pool
100% fine.
Obama appoints a judge.
Trump gets elected.
The judge says, I don't like what you're doing, Trump.
He says, okay, let's go to court over it.
unidentified
That's...
tim pool
Totally fine.
The purpose of the judiciary is to extend beyond short terms.
We have a president every four years.
We have Congress every two years.
We have senators every six.
And then we have judges, which have, I don't know, the appointments for lower courts and Supreme Court's lifetime.
The goal there is Obama...
There will be a difference in the branch's influence over a long period of time.
The issue at hand is when a judge extends beyond his jurisdiction, that is, foreign affairs, international negotiations, and powers under the executive solely for foreign relations.
If Donald Trump said, I'm going to transport...
This criminal from this federal prisoner from New York to California for the purpose of trial and a lower court district judge in D.C. bang the gavel to stop, turn that car around.
We have an injunction.
I'd say it's totally fine.
I know they're obstructing.
I know they're doing it for obstructive reasons, but this is different.
This is a president saying, as per the DOJ, the DOJ gets challenged by a judge.
We have these checks for a reason.
I'm fine with those limitations.
If Donald Trump says, we have captured the leader of a terrorist organization, he's being transported to one of our allies, and a judge says, no, it undermines the president's authorities as commander-in-chief, doesn't fly.
But let's jump to this next story, because we are going to get back into that again.
This is from the New York Times.
Pam Bondi calls Tesla vandalism domestic terrorism, promising steep consequences.
The Attorney General echoed remarks by President Trump as protesters against Elon Musk and his efforts to shrink the government have defaced and destroyed Tesla vehicles.
Yeah, it's terrorism.
And now the Postmillennial reports activist group Indivisible Tennessee to stage Tesla protests at Franklin, Memphis, Knoxville, and Chattanooga.
Here's a challenge.
We know they're engaged in acts of terror.
In Vegas, they didn't just torch the Tesla dealership.
They opened fire on it.
Someone could be there and get killed.
When they're shooting bullets into these buildings, there's going to be employees, there's going to be custodians even, or customers.
Insane.
Now the challenge is this.
We know that at the highest level, you've got Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert gloating and mocking the idea.
Essentially, it's encouraging it.
You've got people like Bill Burr cheering on the violence.
You've got a spattering of various leftists attacking random vehicles across the country.
How should the federal government handle this protest?
Should they say it is but a peaceful protest, it's always allowed?
Or should they say this is organized, this is targeting Tesla, Tesla are high-priority targets of terror, and we will enforce the law to grave consequence?
ian crossland
What they would have done four years ago is put a bunch of FBI agents in the protest pretending to be protestors and made it go violent on purpose
So this was an issue during the BLM riots, right?
peter st onge
So historically, most of Fortune 500 CEOs have voted Republican, something like 70%.
Not one...
Fortune 500 CEO had a negative opinion about BLM, right?
This was a Marxist, violent organization.
Not one of them spoke out.
Why didn't they speak out?
Because this would have happened.
Their headquarters would have been firebombed.
Their employees would have been beaten up.
So this has been going on for a long time.
I think this is a big reason why corporations bent the knee and turned into these woke beasts.
It's absolutely, it's got to be treated the exact same way that they would treat right-wing political violence, which is absolute crackdown.
So I think Bondi is absolutely on the face.
ian crossland
During the riots in 2020, people were putting signs on their windows of like, please don't break my...
I'm not part of this.
phil labonte
Not only that, the government was encouraging it.
You had Democrat senators and representatives saying things like, you know, these people should be upset.
They should be out in the street.
They should be, you know, Maxine Waters was saying things like, oh, you know, you don't give them a moment's rest.
You know, get in their faces at bars, etc.
Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris.
Former Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris.
She was telling people, look, this is who you call if you want to.
She was advertising a website that would help defend people that were arrested.
So she was promoting the defense fund for people that were arrested.
Arrested for crimes.
Not arrested for protesting.
Arrested for crimes.
During the protests and the riots.
So the idea that there is an equal playing field between the right and the left, that's just ridiculous.
It's completely and totally not true.
And the left, because of the way that the DOJ and the FBI are structured now, they need to come down on the people that are committing these crimes extremely hard.
They are committing crimes.
ian crossland
His name is Daniel Clark Pounder, 24-year-old.
He just got, he faces 20 years in federal prison after.
He allegedly firebombed the Tesla charging station, and that is from...
So that's a 24-year-old, just got 20 years in prison.
phil labonte
You know, arguably way...
tim pool
He's facing it.
ian crossland
He's facing 20 years, which is like, whoa.
I get it.
Maybe they're using terrorism charges.
Don't get roped up in this.
Don't think you're doing...
Don't think it's fun.
phil labonte
They should punish them as a means to deter other people.
Unfortunately, the people that have already done these things, they have decided to do these things.
This is terrorism.
It's not a question of whether or not it's terrorism.
It clearly is.
They're doing it in an effort to intimidate and frighten people.
They're destroying property.
They're committing violent acts.
They need to be made an example of.
ian crossland
You know, I wouldn't consider it.
Let me just point out.
I wouldn't consider terrorism if it was just random.
A bunch of different cars all over the place were getting.
It's one company is getting targeted, which is why I consider it terrorism.
phil labonte
One company and the private property of individual citizens of the United States.
These cars are getting keyed.
They're getting firebombs.
The Tesla ownerships are actually run by Tesla, so I'll gloss over that.
So go ahead.
I'm sorry.
peter st onge
And then the next question is using RICO on some of these organizations.
So Antifa says, no, no, we're not a formal organization.
Well, neither is the mafia.
The Mafia does not have a mailing address with a bunch of registered, right?
These are all shadow organizations, and the job of the prosecutors to figure out what is a substantive organization here.
So use that on Antifa, on, you know, whatever NGOs are currently associated with these crimes.
phil labonte
Pardon me?
peter st onge
Whatever NGOs are either pushing or funding or somehow associated with.
Absolutely.
Remember during the BLM riots, I think we had like U-Hauls full of cinder blocks.
unidentified
Yeah.
peter st onge
Somebody paid for this.
tim pool
And people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not expensive.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I mean, relative to, so let's say there's some dude who works at a big tech Silicon Valley firm and he makes $120,000 a year and he's got $10K in his bank account saved up and he says, I'm going to go spend $1,000 on bricks.
I always hear people say, like, who paid for this?
And I'm like, guys, it's not that expensive to do some of these things.
A couple hundred bucks, you can get signs printed up.
ian crossland
I guess you'd have to take into account, one, how much was spent on the terrorism to get it funded, and two, how much damage was done by the terrorism after the fact, and put those two things together.
Not necessarily additive, but it's both important.
I think, because if someone spends $100 million to try and get some terrorist event done, and the event fails and no damage is done.
That's not so...
I mean, it's still $100 million was spent on terrorism, but there's no damage, so hard to prosecute.
phil labonte
It's conspiracy then.
ian crossland
Correct.
phil labonte
I mean, you can absolutely prosecute for a conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack.
ian crossland
So the more money put into it, the more likely it would be considered a conspiracy by charge.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, if there are people that are planning...
You know, multiple people that are planning, because you mentioned RICO earlier.
If there are multiple people planning on doing something, that in and of itself is a crime.
ian crossland
So what takes it to get to RICO charges?
What do you need to get there?
Like a bunch of people on a Facebook group being like, hey, I'm not saying go out, but is that RICO?
Or at what point would it become?
peter st onge
I imagine...
There may be better legal scholars here, but if you get a bunch of mafia guys who are sort of joking, not joking, like, hey, take care of him, ha ha, wink, the prosecutor will be very interested in all those kinds of statements, and whether or not it was sort of a wink-wink statement is immaterial.
phil labonte
Honestly, if it can be that loose, I'd round up people like Jimmy Kimball, too.
Because if it's as loose as, hey, take care of him, wink, wink, anyone that's said things about free Luigi or whatever, they're advocating, they're supporting terrorists, they're aiding and abetting or whatever.
I don't know that it is, but if it is that kind of loose association, round them up too.
peter st onge
Well, money and I think leadership structure are traditionally used to define a RICO organization.
So if person A is commanding person B to do something, and then they usually look at the money because generally money ties it all together.
phil labonte
Unfortunately, then it's probably the people that are on late night TV making jokes.
peter st onge
You probably don't want to go that far because at that point it is Second or First Amendment advocacy.
tim pool
The challenge is that what we're seeing, we described it as the ice bucket challenge of terrorism.
It's a standalone complex.
It is a cultural emergent phenomenon.
These people don't need to be organized.
They know what to do without direction.
So when someone makes a video and they look at the camera and they say, you know what to do, they all instantly know what the reference is.
And then if you actually went to court and went before a jury and said, look, he said you know what to do, they're going to be like, what?
And he's going to just go, I was talking about buying ice cream.
peter st onge
So doesn't that work with ISIS, for example, when they're recruiting people?
So the organization is intentionally atomistic.
They don't have an hierarchical structure because they're trying to, you know, sort of deny connections.
So if you define Antifa, for example, if you designate that as a terrorist organization, then at that point, I guess you can trigger and everything you use against ISIS.
tim pool
And of course you can because they're international, which is that a lot of people don't understand this.
When there were discussions about labeling Antifa a terrorist organization, many on the right and the left, largely leftists, were like, you can't.
Domestic groups can't be declared terrorists because of the First Amendment.
And then people pointed out Antifa is an international entity.
So if Americans pledged allegiance to Hamas or ISIS or whatever group, yeah, you're going to get charged.
You can get charged with terror, providing material support or otherwise.
Same is true for Antifa.
So it can happen.
ian crossland
The Antifa's been international.
Antifascista.
That was ancient.
That's been around for a long time.
tim pool
It started in other countries.
And it still exists.
There's Antifa in other countries today.
And so they're loosely knit.
So, however, the challenge is for an American citizen who's not Antifa or anything like that, they've been making social media videos saying things like, why won't someone just do it?
And then people know what there's a reference to.
But if you were to, the video can't get banned.
The feds can't do anything about it.
What are they going to say?
They're going to be like, oh, I was talking about someone needing to wash the car.
Oh, geez.
What do you mean?
I didn't say anything.
Yeah, they didn't.
So how do you deal with it?
peter st onge
I don't know.
ian crossland
This is the complicated part of free speech.
Your system is vulnerable to insinuation and mind control and manipulation through legal channels.
peter st onge
Yeah, well, that's why earlier I was saying money and hierarchy.
I think that you really can't get past that because otherwise you're impinging too much on First Amendment.
ian crossland
And if there's no money, if it's just random comments through social...
Because now that we have social media, you don't necessarily need a hierarchy.
There's just, like, algorithms.
peter st onge
You do have long-standing laws about incitement, right?
So you have incitement, the riot.
So I don't know if that...
I think it's got to be pretty direct.
ian crossland
Yeah, they got to have...
Usually it's a direct threat with, like, a time.
Like, it needs to be an adjunct call to it.
Like, at this time, at this place...
We're doing this thing.
And if those three things are apparent, it's become an actual threat, like a legitimate illegal.
Otherwise, it's just like, if you're like, I'm going to go, illegal thing, totally legal to say that out loud.
I mean, there are some things I think might get you in trouble, like if you're messing with the command structure of the military and you're saying you're going to go do something, they might come and try and check you out.
But generally, you're allowed to make threats if they're not imminent threats.
phil labonte
Imminent threats.
tim pool
You can't direct people to do things or declare you're about to do a thing.
But when Bill Burr said that he thought people should commit heinous acts against billionaires, that's just a thought he's allowed to have.
We got this story here from Graby, and it's a clip from Colbert.
Colbert on Tesla car is getting wheels stolen.
I do not condone this, but I do appreciate your tireless efforts.
So we've got Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel.
Essentially advocating for the terrorism that we are seeing.
I don't know where this clip start, but let's roll it.
stephen colbert
Trump is not destroying everything we love all on his own.
He's getting a big assist from Tesla CEO and...
And guests of the White Lotus undressing that corpse with his eyes.
Elon Musk, that has led a lot of protests around the country at Tesla dealerships.
Now, I want to be clear.
I do not condone violence or vandalism of any kind.
That is a deeply held belief of mine that comes from the bottom of my CBS legal department.
With that in mind, I find it interesting that there's a growing trend of cyber trucks being vandalized and used as skate ramps or covered in garbage.
To be fair, to be fair, that might not be vandalism.
That might just be a simple mistake because they do look a lot like a dumpster.
ian crossland
It's vandalism, dude.
stephen colbert
Tesla owners, Tesla owners are facing backlash everywhere they go.
Recently, somebody stole the wheels from every single Tesla in a Texas parking lot.
Whoever did it, I do not condone this, but I do appreciate your tireless efforts.
unidentified
What's this?
This? Yes.
Thank you.
tim pool
What happened when Jussie Smollett lied about getting attacked?
Every single show was somber.
phil labonte
Oh yeah.
tim pool
That this could happen in this country is shocking.
How could this?
It never happened.
Yet when innocent people are being attacked, it's funny.
Hey, we got Jimmy Kimmel.
Don't forget Jimmy Kimmel.
Wait, we don't got Jimmy Kimmel.
phil labonte
Got it.
tim pool
Now we got Jimmy Kimmel.
Okay, apparently we...
phil labonte
Oh.
tim pool
Now we got...
jimmy kimmel
Other than the stock market for a change.
Our co-president, Elon Musk, sent a SpaceX vehicle to bring the astronauts back, and when they landed, he fired them immediately upon landing.
Tesla's stock is way down, almost disastrously so.
unidentified
People...
People have been...
tim pool
Clowns.
jimmy kimmel
Vandalizing Tesla vehicles, new Tesla vehicles.
Please don't vandalize.
Don't ever vandalize Tesla vehicles.
And so, uh...
Elon Musk has been making the rounds in the right...
tim pool
We all get the implication of what his joke was meant to be.
That light pause with the look to the camera was the wink.
The wink and the nod.
That's ABC effectively saying, do it.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
tim pool
I do want to give a shout-out real quick just to this clip before we go.
Once again, I gotta unmute this stuff, don't I?
ian crossland
Even Colbert?
tim pool
There we go.
stephen colbert
This weekend, a man and a woman who are- I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
tim pool
I gotta- I gotta tee this off.
This is from March 13th, 2022.
stephen colbert
...together in the resistance took a break from fighting to get married on the front lines.
It's like a wedding in Texas, but with slightly fewer guns.
Although, I must say, I must say, huge faux pas.
Everyone knows you're not supposed to wear the same color camo as the bride.
Where is she?
ian crossland
Where is she?
stephen colbert
I'll tell you what, I will never complain about a destination wedding again.
Russia has been hit with a series of crippling sanctions, and it looks like there's more to come, because the U.S. And its European allies are now discussing banning imports of Russian oil.
Take that, Putin.
We're not going to buy our gas from a war criminal.
We're going to buy it from the good guys, Saudi Arabia.
But it's going to cost.
Since the invasion, oil prices have skyrocketed.
Today, the average gas price in America hit an all-time record high of over $4 per gallon.
Okay, that stings, but a clean conscience is worth a buck or two.
I'm willing to pay $4 a gallon.
Hell, I'll pay $15 a gallon because I drive a Tesla.
tim pool
You do?
Steven, you drive a Tesla?
Oh, no.
But it was a clean conscience, you said, right?
You have a clean conscience driving a Tesla?
It's a cult.
And I think that proves it to everybody.
Do you think that Colbert sold his Tesla?
I don't think so.
stephen colbert
I wonder.
peter st onge
The mothership came up with new messaging, and boy, you have to move fast.
You saw what happened to J.K. Rowling, right?
Lifetime member of the cult in good standing, every single opinion, check that box.
One opinion off, you're done.
phil labonte
One opinion off that is just as simple as men are men and women are women.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think...
J.K. Rowling specifically was like, we shouldn't have men in female prisons.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
I think that was the first issue that she brought up.
She was like, wow, a man was placed in a female prison, and that's scary, and then they went after her for it.
And then someone put up a billboard that said, I heart J.K. Rowling, and they called it hate speech and took it down, which is insane.
And then Billboard Chris explained how famously he and Canada did the same thing, and they called it hate speech and took it down.
Just saying, I heart J.K. Rowling.
Well, don't watch Harry Potter on HBO.
I heard they're race-swapping Snape anyway, so I will not be watching it.
ian crossland
It's wild that they're remaking.
Remake?
tim pool
Well, I mean, bro, it's been 20-something.
It's been 20 years, hasn't it?
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
phil labonte
I can't even believe that.
You're old, Phil!
I don't want to talk about it.
ian crossland
I read the book when I was working at Ground Zero at 9-11.
That's when I got into Harry Potter.
phil labonte
I was an actual adult when Harry Potter came out, and it was 20 years ago.
tim pool
I was a small child.
unidentified
I was not.
ian crossland
I thought Colbert...
I don't normally talk crap about people, particularly behind their back.
It's things I wouldn't say to their face.
I've had it out.
Not out for this guy.
He's such a waste of talent.
He is just...
Garbage performance.
Like, this guy, since his Colbert report, would just say fake stuff.
He would just lie to people.
But it was in the guise of comedy.
Like, they act like they're news agents, and then they...
But one sentence, they'll just lie, and it's supposed...
But it's okay, because I'm a comedian, so I'm allowed to lie to you.
tim pool
The clarification is, the setup to the joke is implied to be the truth, and the punchline is implied to be the lie.
But they will lie in the setup as if they're telling you the truth.
So on The Daily Show a few weeks ago, With the gutting of USAID, the setup for the joke is, today, you know, Elon Musk went into the USAID and began firing lots of people, cutting foreign aid to developing nations.
And then, blah, blah, joke!
And you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.
That first part's not true.
They treat it like an actual news story, so you think it's true.
That's the manipulation.
ian crossland
He started it off with our co-president, Elon Musk.
Not true.
I don't know why you said that.
It's not funny.
People didn't even know if they were supposed to laugh.
tim pool
I can understand what you're saying on that.
But that's not nearly as egregious as how Colbert will be like, take a look at this.
Here's a news clipping in a report.
And he's lying to America about it.
The purpose of the joke after the fact is to cover up the fact that he just gave you fake news.
Because then when they're called out on it, he goes, it was a joke.
And then they go, yeah, it was a joke.
You're so dumb.
ian crossland
That's it, man.
I've had problems with this guy since 2006.
I made a YouTube video right at him in 2006 being like, you are a fake piece of crap.
tim pool
That showed him.
ian crossland
I was like, you know what?
I don't even care if people see my stuff.
I put that energy out into the universe and they feel it.
tim pool
Because of those vibrations.
ian crossland
Yeah, and other people see it and the ripples through seven steps of Kevin Bacon.
Everyone knows Kevin Bacon through seven people.
Yeah, he felt that.
unidentified
Six.
ian crossland
But I was tired of that Colbert crap.
He's a junk artist, man.
That guy is fake as...
phil labonte
I mean, he was always doing a shtick, right?
He was an actual liberal or leftist, well, liberal, playing a conservative.
That was his shtick.
Like, he was making a...
Like, Stephen Colbert, when he had the Colbert Report, it was like, it was a joke.
He wasn't...
Actually a conservative.
He was mocking.
He was lampooning conservatives.
And so it was a character he was playing.
Now it's less so.
Like he's not really playing a character anymore.
He's not really the same.
You know, doing the lampoon thing, he's just being more...
ian crossland
Just lying to people for real.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, he's just a normal leftist.
He's not much different than Jimmy Kimmel or...
ian crossland
He's manipulative as hell.
That's why they put him on The Tonight Show.
He would lie on The Colbert Report.
He'd come out and be like, he'd talk about how we have to be at war in 9-11.
We gotta go...
And you're like, dude, quit saying this stuff.
I know it's all in just good fun, Stephen, but you know how many people are manipulated by that crap, dude?
phil labonte
He was thinking.
ian crossland
He doesn't realize it.
phil labonte
Like, he was thinking, like, well, the point of what he was saying was, like, he was playing a character.
He didn't believe the things that he was saying.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
So, same with Tonight Show.
I'm sure he'll be like, no, no, it was just a character when I lied to you.
unidentified
Okay, well.
phil labonte
Well, I'm not so sure.
I don't know.
I can't speak for him.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Garbage.
I don't like talking bad about people, man.
Like, fix yourself.
Fix yourself.
Fix myself.
That's obviously the main purpose in life, but this is sickening.
This guy is just high horse crap.
Crap, he's talented and it pisses me off.
tim pool
They're all, all of them.
It is kind of crazy to see where we're going.
When the cultural zeitgeist of the left is terrorism, this is the precursor to civil wars.
Guys, I know Baba Lakhiche, but actually listen.
In modern civil wars, not in our civil war, media played a huge role.
When there was, read about the Rwandan genocide.
Prominent personalities who were part of one group.
What was the name of the group?
The Tutsi is the ones who got massacred, right?
peter st onge
The Hutu.
tim pool
The Hutu would constantly make jokes about violence like this.
They'd be like...
I mean, it was a component of the media that it was culturally prevalent and normal among the Hutu to say the Tutsi are bad and should be wiped out and all those things.
When they start going on TV and gloating and laughing about violence and terror against regular people...
That's the direction we're going.
And I'm sorry, there's no off-ramp.
Unless you go to Colbert and say, Stephen, I'd like to explain to you how this is going to lead to chaos.
I mean, I told this to Jack Dorsey's face.
And y 'all laughed at me, but who's laughing now?
Nobody, actually, because we're all terrified.
But when I was on the Rogan podcast with Jack Dorsey and Vajagade, one of the last things we talked about, I said, if you guys keep doing this, you are pushing this country to a civil war.
And they were like, I don't know about that.
A couple years later, I was like, Mike Cernovich, he was like, remember when Tim Pool warned them in 2019?
It's been two years and then all this stuff is happening?
Yeah, now it's 2025 and it's worse than we've ever seen.
The swattings and the terror attacks is the worst we've seen it.
When you have the Summer of Love riots, it's bad, but it's indiscriminate.
It was just leftists going crazy in their own cities.
Today, there were two assassination attempts on Donald Trump.
Technically a third foreign one, but I mean two domestic ones.
And now you have directed terrorism from the left targeting conservative personalities at their homes.
ian crossland
I keep thinking, I was listening to the show last night too, and I'm like, Civil War?
No, that's the big ask.
I can't do Civil War, but I can give you revolution.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
We're in a revolution, baby.
We were co-opted in 1913.
You actually brought up the Pendleton Act, early 1871, that that's when this coup started in the United States.
And it's been 150 years that this bureaucracy has been in control of the United States government.
It's a revolution to take the country back.
That's what's happening behind the scenes right now.
tim pool
It is.
It's a revolution when one side takes the country back.
You can argue that the election of Donald Trump is a revolution.
But the issue is, what do you call it when there are two factions fighting for control of one government?
That's called a civil war.
peter st onge
Yeah, so I think they've had this kind of long march through the institutions, right?
And they've been playing that year by year, generation by generation.
I think a big part of that has been capturing the deep state, in other words, using tax revenue to sort of create this fake left.
But another big part of it, I think, has been indoctrinating the kids, right?
So every generation gets lefter and lefter because of how they've used the education system.
Now, I think what happened is...
In COVID, they saw what they thought was the opportunity of the century, that they were going to move the ball like 30 yards, right?
Because, I mean, just like, it was just handed to them by fate.
And they launched too soon.
They needed another generation or two to really completely seal the deal, to, you know, indoctrinate enough Americans so that we could never, ever get back.
I think they launched too soon.
And so what did that do?
It got their hopes up.
Got them really excited.
It was crazy in 2020.
Everybody was against us, right?
The American Association of Actuaries was going on about how systemic racism is applied.
You're just like, why do you have opinions on these things?
They were just dancing that they had complete victory, and then it just vanished.
It just evaporated.
So they are frustrated.
At this point, they feel like they're out of ammo.
They're throwing the guns at us now.
So they're desperate.
So on the one hand, yes, I think they've escalated into more violence than ever.
On the other hand, I think that's what's happening.
Their hopes got so high and they were so horribly disappointed now that they are desperate.
It's good because they're no longer in control.
They're no longer strategic.
Right?
They're making mistakes.
Just like they made mistakes in 2020.
ian crossland
Yes.
And it's like an immune response.
Like the body has developed immunity.
You don't need 100% protection to have immunity.
And there's still viruses attacking organs and things.
But the body's immunity has overtaken the problem.
So the viruses aren't in control of the system anymore.
That is what it feels like.
And these acute little bouts of inflammation are like...
And my hope is that it's just part of the healing process.
You know, the future's unwritten.
Obviously, we're influencing it right now.
phil labonte
So do you have a sense of where this is headed?
Because me and Tim, like Tim said, there's no off-ramp, and that's something that we've been saying around here a lot.
I don't see an off-ramp, because I don't know.
If you can't get people on the left to...
Say things like, yes, it's bad for there to be terrorist activity because they believe that Donald Trump is a fascist or that these things that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are doing will somehow lead to fascism, which I don't understand how they can conceive of that,
but take at their word that they believe that.
If they believe that, then there isn't anything that's beyond the pale to do to prevent a fascist takeover.
That's part of why I don't see an offering.
What's your sense of what the next, you know, year's gonna bring?
Or two years?
peter st onge
Yeah, I think there's always like a hardcore, whether it's five or 20%.
And those people maybe are beyond redemption.
Thank goodness and democracy don't matter.
But the question is, you know, you've got another, whatever, 20 or 30 percent who are, they believe in this left-wing stuff just because they're fans of Jimmy Kimmel or whatever.
They're not really dedicated activists.
They're the ones who I think are in play.
And honestly, I'm very optimistic about the trends.
You know, I think that the media, the alt-media is...
By far stronger than it's ever been.
If you look back to the 1970s and 1960s, you had a monolithic left-wing media.
You didn't even have Rush Limbaugh yet.
You had zero voice from the right.
The closest you had was maybe William F. Buckley.
I mean, just nothing, right?
And yet we fought them to a standstill.
Yes, we were losing ground, but not that badly, considering that we had absolutely zero voice.
So I think that if you look back over the past 150 years, right, the period of left-wing domination of newspapers and then TV and then radio and so on, I think that we're actually in a really, really good spot here.
I was shocked that media pulled out all the stomps going into the 24 election, right?
They compared him to Hitler.
I mean, they just, everything they had in the arsenal, they were like, throw it all now.
It was insane, right?
And it didn't work.
So I think that's a very, very important number.
We continue gaining.
If you look at the new media, I mean, people like us, but you've got new guys on YouTube and X all the time.
These people are so much higher quality than the garbage that is being peddled.
I think that what we're looking at now is that people who are in their 60s or 70s...
They're slowly being replaced by people who are in their 20s.
Nobody in their 20s watches ABC News.
phil labonte
No, no.
peter st onge
I mean, like, zero, right?
So the media is trending in our direction.
The left had been convinced so long that time was on their side because both immigration, illegal immigration, and capturing the education system.
Now, when I look at media, when I look at the trends in there, time is on our side.
We are winning.
So we're already in control right now.
We are discovering the last fedayeen, like, you know, like...
The last insane Japanese soldiers living in the forest at this point, these guys doing the violence, right?
This is no longer controlled, like, mature opposition.
This is desperate.
So it looks bad at the moment, but I think we're actually, it's like when the fever breaks and you start healing.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from the New York Times.
Musk donates to GOP members of Congress who support impeaching judges.
It's a big story because all of these judges are seeking to obstruct Donald Trump's rulings, protecting USAID, protecting federal workers, stopping deportations, and now stopping Donald Trump's banning of transgender people serving in the military.
Some activists have argued, don't bother impeaching because you need two-thirds majority of the Senate.
Why don't you just defund their districts with a simple majority, and that'll be a major move.
But as much as I can appreciate this, Musk doing this is intending to drive that story, which will hopefully empower the senators who are doing well.
Charlie Kirk talked in the end of last year about going after these senators who are rhinos and are not supporting real accountability.
But this goes back to the question of Donald Trump's authority and the Constitution.
And as we were just talking about conflict in this country, civil war versus revolution, I would say that the conflict has reached the highest levels.
Under Donald Trump today.
But it's curious.
In Trump's first term, they were accusing him of being a Russian spy.
They were imprisoning the people who worked with him.
Flynn, before he even got started, they didn't put him in prison, but they ran him over the coals.
Carter Page was run through the coals, all of these things.
Manafort was actually charged, and Politico reported that it was Ukraine who fed those documents to the U.S. so they could go after him.
Now Donald Trump is president again, and they seem to be on the outs, but they are still fighting.
So it may be that this is the back end of the conflict and things are going to start simmering down now that Trump is in control.
Of course, they're resisting.
Of course, there's violence and terror from the left right now.
But will it actually be enough?
I think it's a possibility that what we're seeing from the left is a death rattle.
Certainly, they're still there, but they are thrashing about in the water, grasping for straws.
No one wants to tolerate.
You know, it's funny when we played that clip earlier in the show.
Of Colbert saying he drives a Tesla.
Many Americans drive Teslas.
They have no idea what's going on with politics.
They're going to walk outside and find their tires slashed or something and say, I don't understand why this is happening to me.
What did I do wrong?
I was told to buy an electric car, so I did.
And now the left is destroying my car for having done it.
It may be that regular people just say, Trump, lock him up.
And then we get an end to the conflict.
The federal judges lose power.
Trump does what he wants.
And that's it.
phil labonte
I'm not so confident of such a rosy prediction.
I think that now that I don't think that Tim's got points, I just think that the left isn't going to go away that easy.
And I think that the left in the U.S. and generally, these philosophies that...
That people have, whether they're fully thought out or if they're just emotional inclination.
I don't think that...
I think they're significantly part of us.
If you're a right-leaning person, I think that's a strong portion of it is because of your personality.
If you're a left-leaning person, I think a strong portion of it is because of your personality.
Jordan Peterson and John Hype both talk about those kind of things.
Peterson talks about the...
You know, your psychology and Height talks about the things that kind of lead you to have your political opinions in the righteous mind.
I think it's a great book.
And I think that you don't just get away from leftists.
You know, I don't think that you just win and then the...
The game is over.
And I think that that's what the left kind of thought when Barack Obama was elected.
They thought that, okay, we kind of reached an end of history point.
From now on, the Republicans are going to be only a regional, you know, in the South, and they'll put up their candidate every year, every four years, and every four years we're going to stomp them.
We'll always win forever, and we own the country now, you know?
peter st onge
So there's a fascinating book called Darwinian Politics by a guy named Paul Rubin, and he's got kind of models of what motivates left and right.
And essentially, right is focused on out-group domination, and the left is focused on in-group domination.
Both of these are very necessary in sort of a Darwinian situation, because otherwise your genes are going to be eliminated, either by the next tribe over or by the hot guy, whatever.
The guy who hunts well and then gets all the girls.
And so we have it built in to resist in-group, out-group.
And those manifest in modern terms in the left and the right.
And these are enduring, right?
You can go back to Plato and identify left and right.
You can go back through ancient China and you've got one group that's advocating for equality and another one that's interested in.
In the fitness of the group and resisting external domination.
So those both exist.
But I think that when we're talking about the left here as a concerning organization, that's fundamentally a hand in glove of the state.
And the state, of course, has common cause with socialists.
It wants there to be more government power.
And then it hires these sort of intellectual bodyguards that it directly funds.
So that, I think, is separate from this sort of innocent question of, do we want more equality?
Because those have already been resolved by classical liberalism, right?
We're all equal before the law.
We all have equal rights to, you know, nobles are not supposed to be punished at lighter...
I didn't expect Doge To uncover what it did,
right?
I was thinking it would be exciting because it would lower government spending.
That would bend the curve on inflation.
Maybe we could get rid of some regulations.
We could grow the economy.
So I was excited on those grounds.
And once I started seeing that, just the rats nest in there.
But moreover, the realization that the entire...
Violent, radical left is tax-funded, meaning that you can cut it off.
Now, the judges are doing—of course they're going to fight that, because they understand that that's like their jugular, right?
That is their mother's milk.
That's what sustains the whole thing.
But I'm much more excited now that we can crush this thing once and for all.
Sure, people will be left and right, but it won't be this dangerous for them.
tim pool
Well, if you go back to the 90s, left and right largely agreed on everything.
And there were a couple wedge issues.
And then there were anti-war people who were like, the Democrats and Republicans completely agree.
And even into the 2000s, it was still very similar.
Today, it is hyper-polarized.
phil labonte
To your point, there was this hardcore band that I listened to in the 90s called Earth Crisis, and they were a straight-edge, hardcore band.
You would think that because they were straight-edge, no drugs, you would think that they would be leftists.
And they might have considered themselves leftists, but they were absolutely and totally against abortion.
Because it's killing, to them, they were like, this is killing an innocent life.
And there's this one song that's called Firestorm, and it's one of the best hardcore songs ever written, but it's like, the whole point of it is...
Is going through town and cleaning up the drug addicts and the dealers and the people that are, you know, basically destroying society, which is very, it sounds very right-leaning, but they were vegans,
they were straight-edge, they were all about animal liberation, which are your...
You're strongly associated with the left today.
And so, to Tim's point, there was a time where it wasn't so clearly left and right were so polarized.
There were actually issues that someone on the right and someone on the left could agree on.
Nowadays, it's almost as if they're...
People take their positions based on what the other party decides.
tim pool
Well, right now, there is America, which is post-liberals, disaffected liberals, libertarians, conservatives, MAGA, even some neocons.
And then there is the, I guess you'd call it the anti-party.
The liberals of this country are literally, we have no plans, we are just your opposition.
So you have forces of light, creation, protection, expansion.
Discussion.
Enlightenment.
And then you have forces of darkness.
They literally only seek to destroy and there is no ideology backing anything they do.
peter st onge
I think you're absolutely right.
And, you know, if you look at that sort of 1990s when we did have overlap, so let's call that Bill Clinton, right?
He had a bunch of policies where relative to traditional Democrats, he was trying to swing to the center.
Border security was a big issue.
He wanted the culture to be more uplifting, not as crass and so on.
But the thing is that Donald Trump is essentially Bill Clinton, right?
In other words, he is occupying that centrist space, but...
Just like you said, so you have this massive coalition that in terms of what they've always believed in their lives, voter preferences, they're on board with Trump.
That was a running joke after the election, right?
Was that the Democrats won, right?
We had Tulsi and RFK.
We had all these Democrats, including Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan.
So I think that's absolutely true.
And the left is contracting now to where it's not sort of that natural 50...
50-yard line of the population, it's like 7 or 5 or 3%.
Sustained at this point only by corporate media and government money.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't even...
I've seeded away from using left and right terms as much because since the internet, since 9-11 and the internet, and movies like Zeitgeist, where people learn about fractional reserve currency for the first time in their lives, they learned about what's called the military-industrial complex.
That wasn't like talking on...
CBS never mentioned that in the 90s.
No one knew that there was fiat currency.
I was never taught that in school.
It was un...
We're under the radar, so we had political differences, but we still got along.
Then, you still have your anti-war people, but it's just what you said.
The media came in and kept brainwashing, and the people that were resistant to it were able to start thinking for themselves, and they broke away.
And that was a great majority of the population.
But there's a segment that we just kept watching CBS, and they're stuck in this imperial propagandist loop of, like, let's fascistly control your country through banking.
But they're told, like, they're doing the fascist thing.
Look over there.
And you're like...
phil labonte
I don't...
I personally...
Like, when I hear people talk about, like, controlling a country through fascist banking, I don't think that that...
Or at least I don't find that compelling.
Like, I think that, like...
Equity markets and markets are good.
Money has a value, and also there's a price to borrow money.
I think interest rates shouldn't be set by the Federal Reserve, but the idea of lending money at interest, to me, I don't have a problem with that.
And it also allows for a lot of production in the economy, and I think that you would probably agree with me there.
peter st onge
No, for sure.
I mean, I think the objectionable part of it is the fascist or corporate sense where, you know, companies are calling the shots on this.
We also fundamentally, we have a dangerous architecture in how the banks are set up, which is fractional reserve banking.
phil labonte
Sure, yeah.
peter st onge
Fractional reserve banking means that the entire banking system is permanently bankrupt by design.
The only thing keeping us afloat is the guarantee of bailouts by the Fed or by Treasury.
If those are ever in danger, which is what happened in 2008.
The 2008 crisis, everybody was coasting along doing great.
They were massively over-leveraged.
They were printing money on Wall Street.
They had the hookers, the blow, the whole nine yards.
Everything was good.
And then W signaled that Lehman might not get bailed out.
And holy crap, that's what set it off.
So we have a very dangerous system.
I can see people opposing it.
There was a study that 93% of Americans say that they don't know anything about the Federal Reserve.
Which is how they like it, right?
For all we talk about it, right?
For all in our circles, it's almost like a broken record.
The vast majority of people, they don't understand it.
And partly they don't understand it because it's intentionally difficult to understand.
It's designed that way.
They like it just fine.
So yeah, I would agree the banking system is a huge problem, but there's a gulf there of explaining to people exactly why.
I think that, for me anyway, like the biggest entry there...
To explain to people why the banking system is so bad the way it is, is that the Fed is effectively the venture capitalist of every new crisis, every new war.
If you had to go to the American people and you say, "Hey, listen, you want to screw around in Afghanistan?
Three and a half trillion is going to cost us, but that's okay because we're just going to raise your taxes, so it'll be cool, $100,000 per household."
No way, right?
Instead, you get the Fed to float it all.
Right.
So the Fed steps in there and effectively finances.
It buys up enough government debt that it's not going to hit the markets.
You can get this through.
Imagine COVID, right?
So early in COVID, right, when they did the lockdowns, there was an estimate up in Canada.
I was in Quebec at the time.
They estimated that GDP would drop in half.
Which means tax revenue would drop in half.
Which means government spending drops in half.
Which means bureaucrats drop in half.
Now, can you imagine an early meeting during COVID where you're the junior bureaucrat and you show up and you say, hey, I got an idea.
Let's shut down everything.
We'll just lay off half the government workers.
Right?
You're done.
You're done in government.
You're out in Guam cleaning bathrooms.
No.
Instead, they had the Fed.
So the Fed could print $6 trillion.
It could directly finance the crisis.
So the problem now is whether it's global warming, whether it's a respiratory infection.
Okay, whatever the crisis is, the Fed can pump this up, and people need to understand that is the dangerous part of fiat.
ian crossland
Would you consider it a monopoly?
phil labonte
Yeah.
peter st onge
Well, it's a counterfeiter, and they have legal tender laws that mandate that you have to use it if you're in the United States, so absolutely, yeah.
tim pool
You know, when a society is small, what is the story?
Basically, people had gold.
Gold is heavy.
It's precious metals.
And I believe gold got its value largely because it's relatively scarce but malleable so the kings could easily press them and then put the government seal on it that this is what we accept as a currency, as legal tender.
So gold was valuable.
Then people started saying, gold's too heavy.
I'm going to store it with a bank.
The bank then issues you a bank note saying, we got gold.
Eventually people are like, I'll just give you my note.
You bring it to them.
You get the gold.
I don't want to deal with it.
Then the banks realized, hey, wait a minute.
They're not even trading the gold anymore.
We can trade the gold behind their backs so long as we can pay.
How much on average do people pull out every month and they're like, I don't know, what, 9%?
Some small number?
So you mean we can trade about 90% of this gold and make loans because no one's ever going to put a run on the banks?
Well, then people ran on the banks.
Was there one story where a guy...
Got word in Southern California, something that the banks were shutting down and they were freezing his assets.
So he got on a horse and he ran as fast as he could on horseback to a bank in a neighboring town and then got his money from that bank instead with the bank notes, some crazy stuff like that.
Eventually the government went, guys, we don't even need gold.
Nobody wants to carry it.
Let's just get rid of it.
And then seize it from everybody and put it in our vault at Fort Knox.
ian crossland
Hopefully.
I don't even know where it is anymore.
tim pool
So what ends up happening is now with this massive system, nobody is actually tracking the hard value behind what currency is, what it's supposed to represent, the labor, the scarcity, etc.
And the government then realized, you guys, we can just print as much money as we want forever.
And sure, inflation happens, but who cares?
We get to live for free.
And so we see that manifest in two ways.
You get the deficit spending where the Pentagon can't account for something like $2 trillion in their audit.
It doesn't mean the money's gone.
It means they don't know how it was transferred and where it ended up.
So a lot of people thought that meant $2 trillion was taken from the bank, put in someone's account.
No, no, no, no.
It means that they were like, someone spent $50 here and we don't know what it was for because the credit card transaction just says Amazon.
That's when you can't account for something.
The next thing that happens is the government starts issuing grant money to NGOs who then hire lawyers who live in McLean, Texas and buy five million dollar mansions and don't actually do work.
Now you live in the Hunger Games.
People like AOC then come out and say, guys, we can literally just deficit spend.
We don't need to ever balance the budget.
We just need to balance the expansion of deficit.
The argument from these Democrats is if the rate of debt growth.
The size of the deficit maintains a certain percentage to interest, then we are able to print money indefinitely, devalue the currency, but it's stable in its devaluation.
So while we would argue our currency should retain its value for the labor we do, the modern argument is so long as we can project the devaluation, we're fine.
We just don't want to devalue too quickly.
ian crossland
Too much inflation too quickly would be bad for the scheme.
tim pool
Now we are in a system of intentional inflation.
phil labonte
Well, there's one more piece to the intentional inflation.
They say that it spurs people to spend money and go out as opposed to sitting on the money.
So I don't know how much...
The argument is, if there's a certain low amount of inflation...
People will not sit on money because things that they want to buy will be more expensive in a year.
tim pool
And what actually is happening is the guy who lives in McLean, I say Texas, McLean, Virginia.
Sorry, I meant Virginia.
He's going to get a $5 million grant.
The government's going to grant his NGO $5 million, and he's going to buy groceries.
At the end of the year, he's going to say, what was the inflation?
And they're going to say it was 17%.
He goes, okay, give me $5.5 million next year.
You've got a boss.
Inflation doesn't affect the people who are skimming from the deficit spend.
ian crossland
Yep.
peter st onge
Yeah, so the point you're talking about with the people need to spend it, so we need inflation.
So that goes to something.
So the way that government calculates the size of the economy is with GDP.
And it generally presents that as if that is telling us how wealthy we are, right?
GDP goes up.
It means we're getting rich.
GDP goes down.
It means we're getting poor.
GDP is not wealth.
GDP is activity.
It's like looking busy.
Some things are useful when you're looking busy, like building a Tesla.
Some things are not like digging up holes and filling them or, say, building ammunition to go launch at countries that we have no fight with.
And so you want to separate those two things.
So if you are forcing people to go spend by essentially eroding their dollar by using inflation, then yes, they will be more busy.
The GDP will go up.
They will be desperate to go buy crap so that they don't lose their purchasing power.
But that's actually impoverishing them.
So what you'd rather do is look at the wealth.
Now this matters because right now when we talk about what's happening with the economy, most of what Trump is doing is very, very good for the economy.
It makes us rich.
Cutting taxes, getting rid of red tape, regulations, drill baby drill.
But two of the things that he's doing will reduce GDP even as they make us rich.
Those are mass deportations and doge.
So government spending shows up as GDP because they're grading themselves and government statisticians are making the numbers, right?
So they say every dollar we spend in the government, even if it's blowing up a bridge in Ukraine and then building it again the next year, in Iraq we literally would do that, right?
We'd blow something up, build it.
Each time, GDP.
Bam, right?
And then the other one is mass deportation.
So if you bring in a bunch of...
Aliens here who say can't read and you give them a bunch of welfare and you put them up in expensive hotels in Roosevelt, boom, all shows up as GDP.
If they steal a job from an American, again, shows up as GDP because the American is getting welfare.
The illegal is now earning a wage, right?
And so you put that together and all of it is we're all very, very busy.
Okay, but we're bankrupting.
And so that will be a distinction where we may well see a recession this year if Doge actually cuts spending and if we, you know, deport two million people.
ian crossland
Would it be smart to grade our GDP?
Like, this is a green GDP.
This is orange.
This is yellow.
This is red.
Depending on how valuable it actually is to the sustainability of the system.
peter st onge
Yeah, I mean, it's tricky, you know, because you'd have to dig in and be like, you know, how much are church services worth?
You know, the simple way to do it, which both Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard liked, is just separate take out government from GDP.
Doesn't count.
Chicago Public Schools.
Have something like a 20% literacy rate on the kids they graduate.
They spend $28,000 a year.
I would argue that's not GDP.
That's destruction.
You took perfectly good kids and perfectly good buildings and you...
Right?
The Soviet Union did that, by the way.
They would make furniture.
They would take timber that had actual value.
They could have exported it to Germany.
It had value.
And they turned it into furniture that was so garbage that they actually removed value.
So, the simple answer is just take...
Take government out, subtract it from GDP, and just look at private sector GDP.
At that point, you're relying on people's willingness to buy the product to tell you whether it was valuable or not.
You're not making any more judgment on that.
And the reason you don't want to make judgments is because fundamentally, Trump will not be in power forever.
Deep state bureaucrats will control how all these statistics are calculated, so you want to keep it as clean as possible.
ian crossland
What about NGOs?
Would that be considered GDP?
phil labonte
Not if they're funded by the government.
peter st onge
Yeah, it's tricky.
It's debatable.
I mean, they're not producing final goods and services, but it depends how you define it.
So, yeah, that would be a gray area.
ian crossland
You classified the Federal Reserve as a counterfeiting system.
peter st onge
Yes, absolutely.
100%.
ian crossland
Why is that?
peter st onge
That's always been the deal with central banking, is that some hustler shows up and tells the government, hey, listen, I'm going to finance your debt, and in exchange I want a license to counterfeit money.
That is the fundamental deal ever since the Bank of Amsterdam, which predated the Bank of England, Bank of Sweden, those were the early ones, and the Fed was actually late to the game.
That is the fundamental deal.
We finance you in exchange for a license to print money.
Now, about a quarter of the money that's printed in...
In the U.S., in other words, a quarter of the inflation comes from that.
The Fed essentially, they sit in a basement, they type ones and zeros in an Excel sheet.
They say, this is money, and then they go and buy stuff.
That is how the money gets born.
That's about a quarter of inflation.
The other three quarters of inflation is the fractional reserve banking we were talking about, which is where banks literally, like when you go for a bank loan, if you go to get a mortgage, the bank will tell you, you have to open an account in this bank.
You say, why is that?
Why can't you just send me the money in my other bank?
Well, the reason is because they are creating the bank, the money from thin air.
So they create the money, and then traditionally they have to put a certain amount in reserve.
Tim was talking about 9%, it was something like that.
But they actually got rid of that during COVID.
And so at this point, a bank can, in principle...
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they brought it back, because we've covered it quite a bit.
When COVID started, they removed the fractional reserve limit.
It used to be that a bank can only lend out up to 90%, I think it was 90% of their holdings, which meant that money was created upon the issuance of debt.
A bank has a million dollars.
They can issue $900,000 in loans.
They're not giving $900,000 in cash.
They're creating a debt.
ian crossland
So they have $1.9 million.
They go from $1 million, they can loan out $900,000, but they have to print that $900,000 first.
tim pool
It's created digitally.
ian crossland
And then once they have $1.9 million, they can take 90% of that number too.
And boy, does that inflate.
tim pool
A bank has a million bucks.
They give you a loan for $900,000, which creates the currency for the purchase of a building.
That person sells the building.
The guy who gets the cash goes, whoopee!
Goes to that bank and gives the $900,000 to them.
They now have $1.9.
Now they have $1.9.
They can issue another loan for 90% of that.
And so it goes on.
peter st onge
So it's one over the number, and so it can get 10, 50, 100 times.
tim pool
During COVID, they removed the limit and said you can loan as much as you want whenever you want.
ian crossland
Do you think I'm kind of all about the repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, investigate the Fed, audit the Fed.
Ron Paul is big on it.
I think Trump loves the idea, but it's like, okay, there are many hornet's nests.
That one's pretty big.
tim pool
What would that look like?
Well, look at what's going on with USAID.
Trump kicked a small source of—actually, I'd say a large source of funding.
We found that we had that $375 billion EPA slush fund that Zelden found, and there was $20 billion going to climate change NGOs, one of which was formed, like, the month prior, and then received a multi-billion dollar award.
Yet nobody believes that's real.
Now go take a look at the Fed, and good luck.
peter st onge
Yeah, I think there's a very good chance they're going to audit it.
And if they do, you know, what we've seen with those so far is just the ammunition is amazing.
The kinds of fines you find.
tim pool
Let me simplify it for everybody.
It's hard to understand the Fed.
How can the average person grasp this?
Here you go.
Imagine there was a group of individuals who did not do any work and they were wealthier than you to like the tune of 10,000, 1 million percent plus.
You work every day.
You break your back.
You struggle to buy groceries for your kids.
And there's a guy who lives in McLean, Virginia, sitting around, who makes $13 million a year and literally does not work because he's part of the machine that was built to steal from you.
Literally the Hunger Games.
They live in the capital.
They don't have to work, they get to be millionaires, they get to be billionaires, and they don't do anything.
The Fed is basically a way to control that money for nobility, and the peasants and the peons have to work for the rest.
ian crossland
I thought the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 was the beginning of the coup.
You said, no, no, no, it was the Pendleton Act, potentially, 1871, what was that?
What happened?
peter st onge
So the Pendleton Act was the first attempt to create a professional bureaucracy.
And it was pushed through by the left, and they were attacking government corruption.
Government is always corrupt, newsflash.
No matter who runs it, no matter how you structure it, government is a fact of the universe.
And so they used government corruption to install this system where the bureaucracy was, in theory, going to be independent.
It was going to be independent of the president and, in theory, of Congress.
The problem is that once you do that, you are making it independent of the voters.
Because the only influence that voters have over the government is through the president and through Congress.
So if you've made the bureaucracy independent, you've made it independent from voters.
Meaning, who exactly does it serve?
And we now know who it serves, which is that it serves itself.
And it develops relationships with golden parachutes with all kinds of outside organizations that does favors for them.
And they either give them money while they're in office or they wait until they're out of office.
You know, the sort of stereotypical SEC commissioner who goes and has lunch with Goldman Sachs, and they discuss what his career objectives are in the future, right?
And so that was really the bureaucratic coup.
And that was, I think it was 1871 or 73. And then it built up over time.
And that thing created this sort of outside organization that was permanently pushing to grow the government.
So once we had the Pendleton Act, before then, it kind of zigged and zagged.
The government got bigger, it got smaller, got bigger, smaller.
Generally, wars made it bigger.
And then there'd be a reaction to that.
Andrew Jackson was the classic.
I think he fired about 10% of bureaucrats, and he told the rest of them, get in line or you'll be next.
That was about 1830, so that was before Pendleton.
He also closed the Central Bank, by the way, the Fed at the time, the so-called Second Bank of the United States.
So you had these zigs and these zags.
Once you got Pendleton, at that point, it was a treadmill, only one direction, up and up.
ian crossland
Who got put into the power of the bureaucracy when Pendleton got signed?
peter st onge
I think the year, during that period, Republicans, which were the left-wing party, they were the party of government.
They generally dominated.
It was post-civil war, and so they had disenfranchised a lot of southern states, which were traditionally Democratic, so they kind of had a lock on power.
And that's why they put it in, because they were sort of institutionalizing that pro-government power that at the time the Republicans were doing.
Now, the handicapping the Democrats turned out to be so successful that the Democrat Party essentially gave up and just became a super Republican Party, which is how we got two left-wing parties.
tim pool
We're going to jump to this next story from the New York Times to change the subject in a hard segue, as it were, but we'll come back to that in a minute.
Ben& Jerry's accuses Unilever of firing its CEO for political reasons.
Ben& Jerry's had a court file and its parent company had ousted its chief executive, David Stever, without approval from the Ice Cream Makers Board.
Well, Ben& Jerry's used to be great.
I remember when I was a kid and Cherry Garcia was becoming popular.
Everybody loved that.
Weird flavors you didn't normally get and they were very delicious.
And now all of a sudden it is the cringiest of cringe cult garbage.
And you've got these billboards.
I know my rights.
Colin Capernick's changed the world.
Indeed.
So the long story short, the CEO was fired and the individuals at Ben& Jerry's say that part of the agreement with the sale was that they would be continued to engage in their social mission of the company.
apparently Unilever doesn't like it and so now they're being sued they're accused of firing the CEO because he allowed the ice cream maker to speak out on political issues in a filing Ben and Jerry said Unilever had fired David Stever because of commitment to his company's social mission rather than
his job performance he has held to the ice cream company's top job
We don't buy Ben and Jerry's anymore because they're psychotic.
It's an insane company.
But I do find this to be absolutely hilarious in that it epitomizes meritocracy versus ideology.
Ben and Jerry's, I can only assume, is hurting if Unilever would violate their contract and fire the guy knowing they were going to get into a lawsuit.
I have to imagine if your company prioritizes social issues over a product, i.e.
you're an activist.
Nonprofit and not a for-profit ice cream maker.
You are going to lose money.
And here we are.
So I guess what I can say is woke is broke.
Another victory.
And this is the other side of the Bud Light coin.
Or the other side of the Bud Light hill.
Bud Light got woke.
They felt that burn really bad.
Now, on the corporate side of things, they're saying purge the woke and get it out.
phil labonte
I mean, you do have a product that you have to sell, and the way that Ben& Jerry's behaves makes it clear that to at least a third of the country, they don't want you to buy their product.
And I mean, look, ice cream is an everybody thing.
I love ice cream, right?
I don't think there are a lot of people that don't love ice cream.
And to just be like, oh, well, we don't want you buying our product.
Or to be so...
Inundated with the social issues, it's got to hurt the business.
peter st onge
So this goes back to, at the top, we were talking about the terrorism against Tesla and in BLM as well.
And I think that we are absolutely, this is going to be a trend now where companies are getting back to basics.
Traditionally in this country, companies did not get involved in politics because why piss off?
phil labonte
Pretty much Republicans buy shoes too, right?
peter st onge
Yeah, exactly right.
Like Israel-Palestine, you are going to offend half your audience.
So just stay out of it.
And that was the traditional wisdom.
But I think companies could not do that because of intimidation by the left.
And a lot of that was regulatory intimidation.
So in a lot of these businesses, especially in media, you can't piss off your regulator.
And once the left locked hands with regulators, a lot of these companies had to do what they did.
So now that you've got the government pressure coming off, the activist pressure coming off, now they can actually look again at the bottom line.
And, you know, you look at a company like Disney and that is just suicidal what they've done.
I mean, any of us know who their audience is.
phil labonte
Part of me thinks that Disney...
tim pool
I think it is my prediction with the Bud Light story was that we were going to find out it was going to be some millennial woman who had just gotten promoted to the position who changed their policy from frat bro to feminist lesbian.
And what did we discover?
Indeed, it was a millennial liberal woman who recently got a promotion and said, no more fat white guys buying and drinking beer at the grill.
We want trans people.
ian crossland
She said, we want young drinkers, was what she said.
That was crazy.
Young drinkers.
tim pool
That's true.
In addition, probably attracting a new audience.
ian crossland
With Dylan Mulvaney, yeah.
tim pool
And boy, did that really destroy the company, because it turns out that even 20-year-old people would much prefer a...
Beer commercial where a guy is flipping a burger as opposed to Dylan Mulvaney.
ian crossland
Like hitting a baseball.
I mean, something.
peter st onge
So I used to teach MBA marketing, right?
And it's like marketing 101 is you have to love your customer just the way they are.
You don't fix them.
You don't change them.
You don't lecture them.
Because if you do that, they're going to find another boyfriend, right?
They're going to go find somebody else who produces a product that is catered for them.
And so corporate America...
It's taken them a while.
I think another element of that has been the sort of shareholder advisory services, which is this way that Woke can sort of insert itself into the financial system and force companies to do weird things like Disney doing this or like Exxon doing green energy or just bizarre things.
But fundamentally, I think that finally they're waking up, they're shaking out of this.
You have to love your customers just the way they are.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, you can't think that you're going to dictate opinions to your customers.
You have to go to people where they are.
tim pool
Yeah, but take a look at Ben& Jerry's.
It's always been a leftist company.
I'd argue that their leadership was probably just saying, we've always been a progressive company, we're always going to be, so we just go with that trend.
But I think as it turns out, what is perceived to be their customer is incorrect.
And people want to buy ice cream.
And it's off-putting when they engage in these kind of practices.
To be fair, though, actually, it's probably unfair.
They made Americone Dream.
Stephen Colbert's waffle fudge ice cream or whatever.
That's just a late-night host.
Didn't Jimmy Kimmel get one that was weird with potato chips or something like that?
phil labonte
I think so.
tim pool
Potato chips are good.
Colin Kaepernick was just really off.
But I do feel like they thought they were targeting progressives and they were a social mission company.
peter st onge
They probably have their core audience, which is those progressives, and they have a whole bunch of people who just eat it because it tastes good, and they don't care about the politics, and they were losing them.
tim pool
I think these companies thought woke was mainstream.
peter st onge
Maybe, yeah.
tim pool
That's why Target put the LGBT tuck-friendly bathing suits up in the front where kids would see it, and then parents freaked out, and they were like, oh man, was that not the right thing to do?
As the woke began to dominate media, they created a perception that they were the majority.
And most people were scared to speak up out of fear of getting canceled.
You know what's really fascinating about this ideology of wokeness?
Two points.
The reason why I think Gen Z is going to break from the left is that you take a look at the Teslas.
This is not so much about Gen Z. This is more about regular, you know, millennials or whatever.
We were all told to buy electric cars.
Colbert got one.
Two years later, they're torching them, shooting at them.
So that was a mistake.
We were all told we were allowed to make certain jokes.
Sarah Silverman lost a movie role because she did blackface at a time when it was totally appropriate to do.
Jimmy Kimmel did blackface.
Why was she being targeted?
What I see, what is likely to happen now is the young kids, the Gen Zers who grew up in an era where you could not know what was socially acceptable or not, and you were constantly threatened.
You were living like a rabbit.
Wound up so tight you could burst at any moment.
They are going to find reprieve in people like Donald Trump and people on the right who are just like, bro, I don't care what you call me.
You can say gay and you can say retarded.
And people are going to be like, I can relax now.
I think young people are going to move in that direction.
Not to mention, I do want to stress this too because we didn't get into Harry Sisson story.
But Harry Sisson, of course, was, according to the left, praying upon young women.
This this liberal young man, this Democrat was praying like a merciless predator on these poor young women.
ian crossland
He's a priest.
tim pool
And right now there was a story that we covered a while ago, but it's going viral again.
About half of young men, 18 to 25, have never approached a woman or in the last year have not approached a woman.
Somewhere around like a third of those guys have never done it.
And most haven't done it in a year.
unidentified
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tim pool
Nobody wants to live that way.
Nobody wants to live that way.
And that's the world created by WOKE.
Harry Sisson is under fire right now because he was sexting a bunch of different women at the same time while claiming he wasn't.
So he was playing these women.
And a bunch of people on the right are like, don't need to play your man.
It's what young men do.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no.
This guy would likely advocate for you to be imprisoned if you were caught doing these things.
He'd say these predators should be canceled and banned.
And then behind the scenes, he's doing exactly what he claims to not do.
He tweets about, oh no, the country is abandoning women and women's rights.
And then while he's advocating for these feminist ideals, of course, he is anything but.
People like him create this world young people don't want to live in.
So I think we're going to see a snapback.
And I think that's what you see with Donald Trump being the first Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years.
Ben and Jerry's firing their CEO is the other side of the Bud Light Hill.
We were fighting like crazy.
Bud Light went woke and we said...
Enough.
Kid Rock unloaded a full-auto machine gun on that Bud Light, and everybody rallied around it, ditched Bud Light to this day.
Surprisingly, yeah, it's maintained, and they've struggled to recover.
This was an attack on—a market attack on this corporation for being woke.
Now, on the other side of this, the corporations are abandoning woke intentionally because they see the writing on the wall.
Nobody wants to live in that world, and I think it's going to fade away.
But we'll see.
You know, a drowning person is dangerous, right?
They say when you're going to go rescue someone, you've got to go behind them.
Otherwise, they'll thrash at you and drag you down with them.
So as the woke gets smothered out of existence, I'm wondering to what degree they may weather underground or worse.
I mean, they already are.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I don't have a sense of the levels of violence that they'll resort to, but they clearly will resort to violence.
peter st onge
Well, thank goodness we have this massive military where, you know, Trump is already bringing them back for the border.
And, you know, that's an open question is declaring martial law in some of these cities if things get too violent.
So fundamentally, normally I criticize the massive size of our military.
But in this case, you know, if you want to dance, go for it, fellas.
phil labonte
it is worth noting that like during the time that the weather underground was really active, the economy was kind of crap.
The seventies were, you know, a lost decade.
You know, the, the economy was garbage.
If you,
A lot of the people that are PO'd and look at the U.S. and say, capitalism sucks and it's not fair and blah, blah, blah, they'll have opportunities that they don't have right now, and that will fix a lot of the problems.
peter st onge
And that goes to what Tim was talking about, Gen X, or Gen Z. Gen Z is an almost perfect...
You know, copy of Gen X, like the entire origin story here, right?
You had the crappy 70s, you had the crappy, all this stuff that happened in the last couple of years, Bidenflation and the COVID and the violence and all this.
And, you know, if...
We could see Gen Z be like a super version of X. I think the other key here is that when Reagan won office, the media were savage to him.
I mean, they were just as bad as they are to Trump now.
They compared him to Hitler.
They said he was going to start World War III.
Just down the line, he was racist.
He hated gays.
I mean, every single one.
Because they just play that on repeat every single time.
How many states did he win in re-election?
phil labonte
48. Yeah.
I think it was 48. Right.
peter st onge
So it doesn't work.
And I think particularly when you parrot, you know, having gone through the valley of darkness and then coming out into the light, I think Gen Z may be...
I mean, already, like, Trump was within five points on Gen Z, something like that?
unidentified
Yeah.
peter st onge
Which is crazy for young people, right?
Traditionally, that's like 20 points.
So I have great hopes for Gen Z. What do you say?
ian crossland
Five points?
In what way?
What happened with...
peter st onge
He, in the election, he was within five points in the vote among 20-somethings.
ian crossland
Oh, so he took 45%, essentially.
Yeah, I agree with you on this Gen Z revolution.
It does feel like...
The 80s.
It feels like they had to suffer through hairspray, big hair, ugly-looking makeup, and not understanding why they're not attracted to those girls, but being told they're supposed to be.
And then, all of a sudden, the internet appears, and they're like, whoa, whoa, manipulation.
It's different for them, because they had the internet the entire time.
That manipulation is just, I mean, the grossness, and it stays with you your entire life when you've been tricked by being told, like, blackface is okay.
No, blackface is not okay.
Be afraid.
No, no, no.
You deal with that maybe three times, and then if you see a group of people that aren't into it, you're with that group.
tim pool
It's kind of wild that we grew up on Jackass.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
The CKY videos.
Everybody was watching Johnny Knoxville punch Bam Margera in the balls.
George Carlin was going up on stage in the early 90s, and he has a bit.
That he famously did in his comedy special, in his tours, where he would say every possible racial slur he could think of as fast as he could, and then called two prominent black comedians the N-word.
ian crossland
One of the best comedians of all time.
tim pool
Indeed.
And South Park and Family Guy.
And we somehow ended up in this world?
Well, we're coming up the other side of it, so that's good.
ian crossland
Yeah, I do believe.
That's why I bring up this term revolution a lot.
And I started in 06, 2006.
It's a revolution of the mind is what I said.
That's also what Chairman Mao said.
So I'm glad I didn't take the call forward that way.
But we are in a global revolution.
It is a seizure of the mind of the human race right now.
People are scrambling and trying to control the system.
And I think this decentralized motive of Internet has allowed us to actually thrive as a species in a way.
Maybe we've never done before as human.
peter st onge
Probably the closest analog is Gutenberg, the rise of movable text.
So this is back in the 1400s.
And the reason is, before then, you had to have a bunch of monks writing out books by hand.
After Gutenberg, you could print up 10,000 pamphlets calling for a peasant revolt.
So you had this fundamental transfer of power from the center with the standing armies to the people.
Traditionally, the people had a hard time organizing, but there were a lot more of them.
They outnumbered the center.
We then had 200 years of blood, so hopefully we don't actually get that part of it.
But the point is, I think the internet is a Gutenberg 2.0, right?
It's this fundamental shift of power from the center to the edges.
That's why they went straight for the censorship.
That's why it was so important to them.
ian crossland
Yeah, with the Gutenberg press, I think it was Queen Elizabeth, instantiated copyright.
That was how it came about.
It didn't exist before.
And they realized, ooh, we need to control this tech somehow.
peter st onge
That was also the origins of the postal system.
So the reason for post offices was to censor.
Specifically, you had to intercept that kind of communication because it could spread riots or peasant revolts.
So the entire function of the post office is to read your mail and then consider arresting you.
ian crossland
And then it's like, when did that get changed?
unidentified
In theory, when did that supposedly stop?
peter st onge
Maybe it will be someday.
ian crossland
Then you got email and they were like, yeah, we're tracking the emails, etc., etc.
So it's a similar...
peter st onge
Yeah.
Right, so government created a monopoly.
It would make it illegal for you to pay private people to go carry mail.
Because traditionally, you would just leave your mail with some merchant who's going from town to town, right?
And instead, the government came in and said, no, no, you can't do it anymore.
Now you have to use the government version.
ian crossland
Okay.
Which may be not as nefarious as it seems.
peter st onge
Well, that was the intended purpose, was because the government wanted to read your correspondence.
ian crossland
It's pretty crazy.
I'm always with this balance of order and chaos, and you need a little chaos, otherwise the ordered system can become infected, and then there's no way to prevent the infection, because the system's got too much fluidity in it.
You need corruption to break up the infection.
tim pool
Let's play this video real quick.
I don't know how much time we have left before we go to Superchats, but watch this.
Do we have audio on this?
We do.
This is Boston Dynamics' Atlas Robot, and I think we predicted this already.
We're a year away from this thing walking around carrying your groceries for you?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Is he heel stomping just then when he ran?
Or was he running on his toes?
phil labonte
Watch this.
unidentified
Watch.
tim pool
It is crawling.
ian crossland
That looks like you can remember.
phil labonte
It's not.
It gets better.
ian crossland
Shoulder roll.
phil labonte
Jeez.
tim pool
I'm telling you, it's a year or two, and you're going to see this walking down the street carrying a bag of groceries and pulling a cart.
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
jimmy kimmel
Here we go.
phil labonte
This is crazy.
It's breakdancing!
tim pool
I said it before.
Ooh, a cartwheel.
I'll say it again.
I am mostly excited about running full speed in a dark alley with a group of others being chased by these robots after the...
AI apocalyptic takeover, and then being forced to fight them.
ian crossland
I mean, we've said a lot that you can't hold a street corner with drones, but one of these dudes with an M16, you can hold a street corner with a robot that's...
phil labonte
I mean, it wouldn't be holding an M. It'd just be mounted.
tim pool
Isn't it funny that in Terminator, we gave them skulls with bare teeth?
Or did the robots do that on purpose?
ian crossland
I think they were supposed to look like people, and then the robots were like, dispense with the skin.
Let's just go after them.
tim pool
Well, look what we're doing now.
It looks more like that thing from that Ant-Man movie.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean...
tim pool
You know what's really creepy?
See the head?
That's not the head.
phil labonte
The head's in the chest, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, right.
So when you meet the animatronic woman...
And she looked at you and she's like, hey, Ian, and you're looking in her eyes.
It's more like looking at an anglerfish.
You know, it's got that weird little light on its head.
It attracts the prey.
You're looking into the eyes of the robot and its head's actually on its chest.
And the demon is staring at you and it's dangling this woman's face in front of you to convince you to give up everything for it.
phil labonte
And these kind of robots, like, they're not that far away from being something that you can purchase.
tim pool
You can buy them now.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, like the middle class or middle upper class family could purchase one, right?
And the only thing that's preventing it now is the AI, right?
So these are all programmed movements.
tim pool
$21,000.
phil labonte
That one?
tim pool
Let me pull up the website.
phil labonte
Robo store?
ian crossland
They just keep getting cheaper.
phil labonte
Well, they're going to.
The point is...
tim pool
Should we buy one?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know if I want to spend that much money.
phil labonte
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
That's like half of a...
ian crossland
So salary of an employee.
tim pool
Well, hey, to be fair, if this guy can clean the floors...
ian crossland
I mean, he could.
tim pool
Did you see the video of the Atlas vacuuming?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's stupid.
Sorry.
I got a Roomba and my cat can ride on it.
I don't need to buy a guy to vacuum for me.
But take a look at this.
Here you go.
They already got them for sale.
Add to cart.
ian crossland
And man, that ChatGPT, like you're saying, you onboard that intelligence.
phil labonte
Well, they're working on, right now, they're working on agentic AI.
So they're an AI that can do specific things.
You don't need a universal or general artificial intelligence to be, like, a helper around the house, right?
You need one that can do a handful of specific things, can navigate your house, can pick up your laundry, can sweep or mop or whatever, can...
Put your dishes away without smashing them.
Can carry things for you.
But you don't need to have general AI.
tim pool
$65,000 for the high-end version.
unidentified
Get it.
ian crossland
No, I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
peter st onge
Will it fold laundry?
This is the one thing that I really want it to do.
phil labonte
That's the thing.
Once it can do a narrow group of specific tasks, then AI can do that and just navigate the house.
Then it's like, alright, do you want to spend $35,000 on this, which is the cost of a car, but never have to do laundry and chores again?
peter st onge
For parents, especially if you have kids at home, you're spending two hours plus per day on various household crap, right?
So if this thing can do the food, the cleaning.
ian crossland
It's like buying a tractor if you're a farmer.
tim pool
Here's the video.
phil labonte
But yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I can't imagine this thing is going to be anywhere near as good as the Atlas.
So why would you spend $40,000 on it?
phil labonte
Probably not.
ian crossland
What's the difference?
phil labonte
This is a Chinese company.
unidentified
Okay.
ian crossland
Well, we've got to buy American.
We can't buy Chinese drones.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, Tesla's making the one right now as well.
tim pool
Show me a video of this.
peter st onge
Optimus.
tim pool
What can this thing do?
Like, advertise it to me?
peter st onge
It can dance.
There's apparently a video of it dancing to Hong Kong.
tim pool
Oh, there you go.
Look at it.
unidentified
Oh, whoa.
Whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Wait a minute.
You can remote control this guy?
peter st onge
Yeah.
tim pool
Joystick?
Yes.
phil labonte
That's kinda cool.
ian crossland
If you mount a webcam on its face, and then you are kind of playing a game through it, of, like, "Clean up my house," and you, like, go and you grab the laundry, and you use your controller and your mouse.
phil labonte
This is crazy.
ian crossland
Put the laundry in the bucket.
tim pool
Press Magic + A to shake hands.
ian crossland
You need to make a video game that that is the character you're seeing the world through, and it's an actual, real life cleaning up the room.
tim pool
This can't do anything.
This robot can't do anything.
It literally can't do anything.
ian crossland
You said AGI.
You don't need AGI on these things.
I agree.
I think initially they just wanted to do menial tasks.
unidentified
But I want my Amazon Alexa thing.
ian crossland
Sorry, Alexa, stop if you're hearing me.
But I want that thing to answer my questions.
I want it to be an AI, and it's not yet, which is really weird.
Because I'll talk to it.
phil labonte
It will be soon.
peter st onge
Okay, there.
So you train it.
You put it on a record mode, and then you do some movement, and then it copies you.
tim pool
There's no way this is real.
peter st onge
That was the video that I saw on it.
But that's the general principle they're doing with robots now.
Like, Baxter is an industrial robot.
And you do it once, Baxter watches you and it imitates you.
For an industrial setting or for folding laundry, that's all you have to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
peter st onge
It just watches you.
phil labonte
And again, this stuff is...
It's a couple years away from being able to be, you know, put out for people to actually use and be functional.
But once it is...
The market is going to explode because, again, it's one of those things where, like, if you're, you know, I mean, there are multiple millions of families in the U.S. that could afford $20,000, which boils, $20,000 to $30,000,
which boils down to $750 a month for, you know, 36 months.
You know, because they'll be just like cars.
You'll finance it.
Banks will love it.
So, like, there's a bunch of companies.
tim pool
This one's $100,000.
peter st onge
Check out the video of this one going through the forest.
It's absolutely insane.
They might not have it here.
You can probably find it on...
ian crossland
People, you've got to realize this.
If you're concerned about privacy...
unidentified
Jeez!
tim pool
How scary would it be to be chased by that thing?
phil labonte
If you're concerned about privacy, you don't have a cell phone.
tim pool
Yo, check it out.
See this video where it's, like, spinning around?
Now imagine if it had razor blades on the inside of its wheels, and when it goes up on two legs, it starts spinning around, its arms goes out, and it just starts spinning towards you?
ian crossland
Which it could do.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
People put these in their houses, and I love it.
I'm fascinated.
I love tech.
But if, say, 80 million people had one of these in their houses, and they were controlled by some central authority.
tim pool
Bro, you're going to see these driving down the street.
It's going to pull up to a Food Lion, a Shop and Save, an Albertsons, whatever you got by you, and then they're going to walk over, and they're going to put the bag of groceries on top of it, and then it's going to start walking to your house.
ian crossland
Technically, it doesn't even have to go to the checkout line.
tim pool
They already have these.
They already have those robots, the deliveries.
ian crossland
It'll scan and charge each item as it picks it up, so it'll be able to avoid the lines.
phil labonte
Amazon will fly you a Coca-Cola if you want.
tim pool
Guys, have you seen the videos where they have those little googly-eyed boxes that deliver food in San Francisco or whatever?
And the homeless people attack them?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
There's going to be, like, a human-eyed robot carrying a bag like this, you know, just, like, marching all stupid, and then some homeless guy's going to walk up to it and try and shove it, and it's going to go, I am legally authorized to defend myself.
ian crossland
And the razor blades pop out of its elbows.
tim pool
This is crazy because what does a robot do?
Right now we're already having this problem where these delivery robots are being vandalized and looted and robbed.
ian crossland
Amazon drivers.
tim pool
And you can't do anything about it because the person will come up wearing a mask, break it open, steal the food and leave, and then knock it over.
And there's a camera of it, but what are you going to do?
You can't prove who that guy was.
Are we then going to live in a society where there are robots all moving around?
How do we track who committed the crime against the robot?
And will robots have some degree of possession protections in law?
ian crossland
I am authorized to protect the property of.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think they need to fly.
tim pool
In West Virginia, I believe West Virginia and Texas allow the use of lethal force to defend property.
I think Texas specifically.
So depending on the property, if there's like a guy walking and he's got, you know, a $50,000 gigantic diamond and someone has to take it.
Then what?
Does the robot, like, judo chop?
ian crossland
Yeah, my first thought was it would run.
It would be programmed to run.
If someone attacks it, it runs.
But that could damage the goods that it's carrying.
So, running or flying.
Flying would help avoid a lot of vandalism.
But getting these heavy-ass things up into the air is going to require a lot of propelling.
tim pool
Here's another one.
This is a $100,000 version of the same thing.
In stock, I can click Add to Cart for only $100,000.
Also, notice the period and the comma.
What is this?
Europe?
Get out of here.
Oh, here's a video.
ian crossland
Look at this.
unidentified
That's old.
phil labonte
That's garbage, man.
tim pool
He's not trying very hard to kick in.
Oh, that was not bad.
phil labonte
The way the Boston Dynamics one moved compared to this.
tim pool
Of course, but can you buy that one?
unidentified
I don't know.
peter st onge
I think Boston Dynamics is doing for military applications.
Probably better money.
phil labonte
Probably.
tim pool
What's with the really awful music?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
That was cheap.
tim pool
All this thing is doing is walking around.
What do I need it for?
Why am I going to spend $100,000 to have a fake guy walk around?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I want to see some...
tim pool
You know, I've got to be honest.
I'm surprised Mr. Beast hasn't bought, like, 100 of these and then fought them.
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
tim pool
Look, Mr. Beast, if you made a video where you bought 100, not the 100 grand ones, the $20,000 ones maybe, and what is it?
We bought 100 of them?
That's a lot of money.
ian crossland
And then donate, like, a thousand dollars to charity for every robot you can defeat.
tim pool
Bro, bro, Mr. Beast, you're the only one who can do this, okay?
Buy a hundred of them, and then get you and your buddies and get swords, katanas, and then just start mowing them down.
ian crossland
You get, like, full auto, and if it's your property and it's on your land where it's legal, you're...
unidentified
Not too quick.
tim pool
You gotta fight them, you gotta melee.
ian crossland
Oh, you wanna, like, hand-to-hand, like, just get some...
tim pool
Oh, come on, bro, like...
ian crossland
Human.
tim pool
If you're buying these things and just shooting them in your range or something or on set...
You might as well just throw them in the garbage.
I don't need to move around.
ian crossland
It starts running towards you and dodging your bullets and you're like, oh my god.
tim pool
I went to DEFCON, the hacker convention, and they have this shooting range in the Mojave Desert they set up every year.
And guys come out with belt-fed, full auto.
It's crazy.
And I had a drone that was fairly busted but still flew.
And I was like, alright guys, here's your target.
Have fun.
And they flew it in the air with targets on it and were shooting at it.
It was amazing.
I gotta say, guys, but it was below the backstop, okay?
Nobody was aiming up.
ian crossland
You made a really good question.
You had a really good question about what are we going to do when people start vandalizing the robots carrying groceries?
Because firstly, we're going to have to legislate.
You're not allowed.
It's like someone's car.
If you go up to someone's car and you attack it on the street, you're liable for prison.
You know, you're going to get arrested on the spot.
Same with these robots.
tim pool
And the robots will be able to track it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I guess so.
Fortunately, the robots won't be afraid, so they're not going to do something stupid.
They're going to do what they're programmed to do.
phil labonte
A thousand dollars?
tim pool
I don't know what this is.
Bi-ped bass?
Anyway, we gotta go to Super Chats because we really went along.
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peter st onge
Nope.
Hope to see everybody on X, and it's been a pleasure coming here with you guys.
tim pool
Oh, I don't even know why I did that.
I still have 10 minutes to read Super Chats.
phil labonte
I was just saying, I was like, wait a minute, we got Super Chats.
I was like, I guess he's doing it.
ian crossland
Do it again at the end.
tim pool
We'll do it again.
We'll start it out again.
Okay, we're going to read Super Chats.
I forgot because we went too long that we still had 10 minutes left.
Look at me.
My brain's fried.
right. I'm not your buddy guy says I'm not worried.
I now worry the left has gone too far off the reservation.
And whether we like it or not, this will end in either a civil war or purge across the West.
Yes, I don't want to be too negative, though, because it does kind of feel like maybe this is the back end of the conflict.
The civil rights era was a civil strife period that didn't end in civil war, so don't know for sure, but maybe.
It's scary out there, huh?
All right.
Mini Matt.
Rumble Rant says, 2016 voted for Trump.
2020 voted for Trump.
2024 voted for Trump.
2028 can't wait to vote for Trump.
ian crossland
That's funny.
We didn't talk about the Bannon story.
Steve Bannon said it.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's just Bannon saying it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
It doesn't mean anything.
ian crossland
It's a provocateur.
tim pool
Yeah, Trump's going to be so old.
ian crossland
Trump's ready, man.
tim pool
He's doing what he's doing.
KO7776 says, Tim, you are wrong on Harry Sisson.
Allegations are fake news.
No one believes that kid is straight.
peter st onge
Oh, that's funny.
That's the question, yeah, is whether they paid the women to make up the allegations.
tim pool
I just think he's, what is he, 22?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
And he's got a bunch of followers, and he's going to try and maggot as many women as possible.
The problem is, publicly, he gains followers by pretending to be this, like, progressive feminist kind of guy.
So, you know, live by the sword.
Have fun.
What have we here?
All right.
SuperMercerBro says, Can you make a remake of I Just Want to Live from Baldur's Gate?
I'll Rumble Rant $10 every day if you can.
Alphira's song is awesome.
I don't know those songs.
phil labonte
I don't know.
ian crossland
This is Baldur's Gate 3, I imagine.
peter st onge
I guess.
ian crossland
Because Baldur's Gate's the first one.
tim pool
Baldur's Gate 3 is one of the best games ever made.
ian crossland
Dude, all the Baldur's Gates are mind-blowing.
The second one, Throne of Ball expansion, dude.
It's just the graphics aren't up.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's real-time, isn't it?
ian crossland
No, it's pause.
Well, it's real-time, and you pause.
Yeah, it's not term.
You pause it, and then issue orders, and then unpause it, and everything happens, and then you pause it, and then reissue stuff.
tim pool
Oscar 3 is better, because it's turn-based.
ian crossland
It's like a stop-start fluid.
It's cool.
It's similar.
It's very similar.
tim pool
Okay, the 138 says, Kimmel, Fallon, Colbert, Marr are plagiarizing Goebbels.
unidentified
Oof!
Oof!
tim pool
Heavens me.
Scrapjust says, great show with Sinoski.
I know you don't take pitches, but maybe you'd like to fund someone else's work?
BankJob getaway turns monster flick.
Interesting.
We do have a bunch of plans for the community in the Discord.
So what we do with Boonies HQ, which is our skate company, is every month we do the Boonies bounties, where we post...
This month's trick is, for March it was a board slide.
Submit your videos of the best board slide.
There's a list of legal rules.
And then our Discord for the BooniesHQ.com votes on who they think deserves to win the prize of $200.
We wanted to do for the TimCast Discord a cultural prize every month of $10,000.
So if you are working on a cultural project, maybe you've got a song.
And you're like, I need to record the next five or whatever.
Maybe you've got a comic book.
Maybe you made a sculpture.
Who knows?
Everybody submits and the Discord community votes and then the winner gets $10,000.
The problem is that that amount of money, it becomes extremely difficult legally.
And so we're working out the legal process for it right now.
But hopefully we can do that.
Because that's a cool way to eventually angel invest in a bunch of projects.
Not literally invest.
It would basically be like, here's a gift.
Have fun.
But I think it would be considered a sweepstakes or something.
ian crossland
Through a charity?
Would you set up a charity to issue your funds out?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I think that would be even more complicated.
So because the Discord server and our members at TimCast.com are voting on who's going to get the money.
They ultimately decide it's going to come from Timcast.
But what I can say is we are booking about a month and a half away from the first culture war, live, where U.S. members will sit down in the chair and engage in the debate.
So I like how Jubilee does these big public debates, but they're edited, so it's fake.
Like when Eleazar Perez was here, he was mentioning that...
The pauses in Sam Cedar's answers were longer, and he was having trouble with it, and they edited those out to make it seem like he was answering more quickly.
ian crossland
Well, I'm going to tell you, when you come to the Culture War event, I'm going to convince you live, face-to-face, that you can control the weather.
tim pool
Okay, just to make sure it's very nice out.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I did it the other night.
It started hailing.
I was outside.
I heard it coming in lightning, thunder.
It started hailing.
And I was like, uh-oh.
Because I was calling the rain.
I wanted it.
The moisture.
It was hitting me.
And I was like, this could cause damage.
So I focused warmth.
tim pool
So you made the hail come?
ian crossland
And then I got splashed by this super cold water.
And I was like, it's working.
And I was getting hit by cold, but focusing warmth.
And then it just melted away.
tim pool
You made the hail come?
Because you were calling for rain?
ian crossland
Well, I went outside after an intense communication.
And the lightning and thunder was bringing the stuff.
tim pool
Were you calling for rain?
ian crossland
Once I saw it, I was getting excited for it, yeah.
tim pool
Okay, no, no, no.
ian crossland
And I heard it coming across the forest.
tim pool
Before the rain came, did you will for it to come?
ian crossland
No, negative.
I stepped out into the lightning.
tim pool
Okay.
ian crossland
And then I just went with it.
I was excited for it when I saw the lightning.
tim pool
So you encouraged it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Then it was hail, and I was like, oops.
tim pool
So that was your fault?
ian crossland
Okay, well, maybe I was complicit.
tim pool
I'm going to invoice you for the damage to my car because...
ian crossland
You got damaged by the hail?
tim pool
Because of the hail damage.
You son of a...
If you did it...
ian crossland
I melted it.
After about eight seconds, it melted.
And that was just cold rain.
tim pool
The hail was not that bad.
ian crossland
Dude, it was wild.
It was like a sheet of ice just came down for like eight seconds, and then it just turned off super cold water.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Andre says, Re-Robots, what happens if he tries using the stairs and trips and kills you on the way down?
phil labonte
Bad luck, man.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess it's like if a washing machine fell over on you or something.
I don't know.
Your fridge tipped over and landed on you, people would be like, accident?
phil labonte
What happens if you get into a car accident?
tim pool
One of the big questions in AI that's been around for years is, right now you're driving a car.
I think we talked about this in the Green Room show.
Right now you're driving a car.
A little kid runs out in the middle of the street.
You have a choice.
You can swerve to the left and crash, and you might die, or you can just keep going and the kid gets hit.
Well, most people would swerve and crash.
That's a heat-of-the-moment thing you don't have to do.
Now let's say, There's two kids that run out in the middle of the street.
And no matter which direction you go, one of them's getting hit.
You choose.
Well, for most people, it's like, I slammed the brakes on.
I tried to dodge them both, but someone got hit.
You chose whether to swerve or not.
It's a trolley problem, right?
The problem with AI cars like Waymo or whatever.
Is it called Waymo?
Is that what it's called?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Is that someone has to program how it will respond.
Does it protect the passenger slash driver or the pedestrian?
In the event there are two pedestrians, How does it choose between the two which ones to hit?
Should it maintain its course or swerve out of the way, potentially risking other people's lives?
Those choices have to be made in advance.
Someone's going to be liable.
So the car's going to be driving.
Old lady's going to come out.
The auto car is going to swerve to the left of Dodger, slam headfirst into another car, killing the other driver.
And the family of that driver is going to say, you programmed the car to go off the road.
It's your fault.
ian crossland
Because that takes a lot of the responsibility off the driver, to the point where you might even be not responsible for any accidents that your car gets into while you're in it, because you're not driving it.
And then all of the responsibility goes on to the company that owns the car and develops the algorithm, which could bankrupt that company really fast.
So that's a tough one.
tim pool
Donnie Rockett says France can have their statue back.
We're building one far greater than you could ever imagine, much more beautiful, much taller, and the most amazing crown you've ever seen, a torch you can see from Canada.
Some say the best.
phil labonte
I feel like I've seen an AI version of this particular statue they're proposing.
ian crossland
You're talking about the Statue of Liberty?
They're talking about the Statue of Liberty.
They want to send it back.
peter st onge
There was some French company that wanted the...
It basically looks like Caesar Augustus standing up before the world.
phil labonte
And there's a lion behind him, right?
peter st onge
Yeah, so I guess that's supposed to be Trump.
tim pool
You ever see that giant...
Where was it in Eastern Europe where they had a gigantic god-emperor Trump in armor with a sword?
phil labonte
That was in Italy.
tim pool
Wouldn't they have claws?
phil labonte
I'm pretty sure it was in Italy.
ian crossland
Was it a float?
peter st onge
An eagle.
tim pool
It's funny because sometimes these liberals will make things like that, thinking it's mocking Trump, and everyone's like, wow, that's amazing.
phil labonte
Everyone's like, that's sick.
tim pool
That was the point I made earlier with these leftist spray-painting swastikas on Cybertrucks.
I was like, if they think these people are Nazis, then wouldn't they just be doing them a favor?
And Carl Benchin quoted it.
Pointing out what my point was that the implication is the leftists know Tesla owners are not Nazis.
They're doing it to vandalize the car because they know the swastika would offend them.
But I do think there's a perfect sketch there where, like, a neo-Nazi is in his house listening to, like, Nazi Hitler or whatever, rants or whatever, and then he gets a notification on his phone.
His sentry mode is going off, and he runs outside, and he sees leftists spray-painting swastikas on his Tesla.
And they're like, he's like, what are you doing?
They're like, we're putting a swastika on your Tesla.
And he goes, oh, well, thank you.
Like, isn't that the implication of what they're doing?
phil labonte
Yeah, that is.
That is.
Like, oh, you'd like this.
tim pool
Yeah, we're showing you.
And he's like, I actually had a stencil.
I was going to get to it tomorrow, but I appreciate you doing the work for me.
Let's go.
Polly Puree says, Ben and Jerry's ice cream is full of chemicals.
Indeed.
Today, Julia had her first Pop-Tart because she's European and they don't have Pop-Tarts in Europe because they're illegal.
They're illegal in Europe.
And then we made Pop-Tart ice cream sandwiches.
We took Pop-Tarts and we put ice cream between them.
ian crossland
Healthy stuff?
tim pool
The opposite of healthy.
ian crossland
Who was that with?
Your kid?
tim pool
No, here.
We got everyone together and we did Andy had a blueberry one.
Blueberry Pop-Tarts.
Mike did a fudge.
I tried a little bit of the cookies and cream.
I had a half of a brown sugar cinnamon.
Because I can't believe they were doing full...
You know like two Pop-Tarts has like 80 carbs in it?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And like 400 calories.
So I was like, I'll do half.
peter st onge
You should do Stroop's waffles.
You know those?
tim pool
Yeah, but that's like way more.
peter st onge
Oh my god, there's two Stroopwafels with ice cream.
Oh, with ice cream in the center, yeah.
tim pool
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Once again, Peter, would you like to shout anything out?
peter st onge
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
ian crossland
Guys, I hope to see you over on X. Yeah, and people are going to follow you on X at ProfStange.
It's P-R-O-F-S-T-O-N-G-E.
peter st onge
Yep, I do daily videos talking about economics and freedom.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, man.
peter st onge
Thanks for having me on.
ian crossland
Ian Crossland, looking forward to the uncensored thing, man.
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phil labonte
See you there.
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tim pool
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