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Dec. 7, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Daniel Penny Manslaughter DISMISSED, SCHEME To FORCE Secondary Verdict w/Wayne Dupree | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Daniel Penny's jury deadlocked.
		Well, the jury comes back out a second time saying deadlocked.
		And in what is, I'm hearing, the craziest scheme we've seen in a long time, the prosecutors moved then to drop the first charge, manslaughter, which would instead of granting a mistrial, what the defense is asking for now, it would allow the jury to go back and consider what the defense is asking for now, it would allow the jury to go And many people are describing this as a scheme from the prosecutors to subvert the rule of law.
		Because the way it's supposed to go is if you can't find him guilty of the first one, then it's it.
		You're done.
		It's a deadlocked jury, mistrial, whatever.
		Maybe it doesn't come back up.
		Maybe it does.
		Maybe the prosecution says, look, we tried.
		We're not going to do this again.
		It's seeming now, as Mike Cernovich describes, lawless.
		That this DA, a Soros prosecutor, many people are saying, is just trying to squeeze out some way to convince the jury to find Daniel Penny guilty.
		So we're going to break this down.
		Admittedly, it gets in illegal territory.
		I don't know.
		I mean, I'm not familiar with this precedent and this move, but I'm seeing all these lawyers losing their minds and the press is talking about it.
		So we'll talk about that stuff.
		And then we also have more developments on the assassination of the UnitedHealth CEO. They found the backpack.
		Apparently.
		So we'll talk about that, what that means, information on what they've learned so far about the shooter.
		And then, my friends, Nick Fuentes has been arrested.
		I actually disagree with this, but we'll talk about what happened and we'll get into all that.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Wayne Dupree.
unidentified		What's up?
		What's going on?
		Hey, I mean, look.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're hanging out.
unidentified		Let me tell you something.
		There's nothing like being down in God's country.
		I mean, awesome.
		Awesome.
		Beautiful place.
		Beautiful place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Well, introduce yourself.
		What do you do?
unidentified		Um...
		Little of this, little of that.
		I'm the son of a sharecropper.
		No, I'm kidding.
		I was born on Eastern Shore of Maryland.
		I've been doing this since Tea Party days.
		You know, it's...
		From that to where we are right now, I've seen so much change.
		Some good, some bad, but, you know, I've seen a lot of things that happen.
		So, you know, I'm here for it, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Well, thanks for hanging out.
		Should be fun.
		We got Brett hanging out.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeedy, guys.
		Brett's here.
		I am normally host of Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday, 3 p.m.
		Eastern today.
		In fact, Phil was on with us today.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I was.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I was.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And we were talking about how awkward the intro always is.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was saying earlier.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You're the one that thinks it's interesting.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, I said like when we do our show, we have a standard intro.
		So, you know, it's very, very formulaic and I get to ease into the conversation really, really quickly.
		Here I'm always like, now we're going.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's only because you're not here every night.
		My name is Phil Labonte.
		I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I am an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
		Let's go!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I have one more announcement for all of you.
		As you know, I mentioned last night that we had some positive updates for you.
		I can now say, and we have this, I've tweeted it out.
		In the lawsuit between I, Tim Pool and the Kamala Harris campaign, this lawsuit has been resolved to my satisfaction.
		So thank you to everybody.
		And the tweet in question no longer exists.
		I will leave it at that.
		But I will just say once again, it's been resolved to my satisfaction and I really do appreciate everybody's support.
		And OK, let's jump into this story here from ABC News.
		Manslaughter charge dismissed in Daniel Penny trial.
		Jury to consider negligent homicide charge.
		Now, this is interesting.
		To better understand, we have this tweet from Greg Price.
		He says what Daphne Yoren is doing to Daniel Penny is nuts and absolutely illegal.
		She moved to dismiss count one manslaughter because count two criminal negligent homicide could not be considered if there was a verdict.
		They're bending the law to try and squeeze a guilty verdict for somebody who saved people on a train.
		We have this transcript.
		A.D.A. Uran says don't tell them it's an acquittal on count one, only that it's dismissed.
		Penny's lawyer kind of says this has never been done before.
		It would encourage prosecutors to overcharge in the grand jury with the option of withdrawing if hung under coercion.
		Judge Wiley says I'll take a chance and grant the people's application.
		I'm going to let them go to return and consider count two on Monday.
		Bring them in.
		Judge says, manslaughter in the second degree is dismissed.
		You are free to consider count two on Monday.
		Judge Wiley says, I'll take a chance and grant the people's application.
		Oh, I'm sorry.
		It's just a repeat twice.
		And then we have the next image here.
		This is the verdict sheet.
		And it says, count one, manslaughter in the second degree.
		If you find the defendant guilty of count one, manslaughter in the second degree, then do not consider and do not render a verdict on count two, criminally negligent homicide.
		If you find the defendant not guilty of count one, manslaughter in the second degree, for the reason that the people have failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not justified, then you must not consider count two, criminally negligent homicide.
		And you must also find the defendant not guilty.
		If you find the defendant not guilty on count one, manslaughter in the second degree, for some reason other than a lack of justification, then proceed to consider and render a verdict on count two, criminally negligent homicide.
		So the gist of the story is, without a verdict at all, they're deadlocked.
		This should be a mistrial.
		And so right now we have this in the Daily Mail.
		Daniel Penny's lawyers blast desperate prosecutors for rare jury requests and bully tactics.
		They're looking for a mistrial on this.
		And look, guys, I was saying from the get-go when the jury was taking a long time that this was not a good sign.
		Some people were like, no, it's a good sign.
		It means that it could be one person, it could be 11 people.
		They want this man in prison, and they're not moving until he goes.
		And now the judge is basically saying, can we figure out a way to get him in prison regardless, even though the jury can't agree?
		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		That's that New York justice.
		Somebody's got to go down.
		Not only that, but they need to make an example out of this guy.
		Somehow, someway.
		So when I, you know, being in the military, have been in the military myself, what he did was a huge selfless thing to save a lot of people.
		And then That should be taken into account.
		It's not.
		And when you probably have a whole lot of witnesses that want to testify on his behalf, you have to wonder, okay, so are they quieting these people?
		What's the motive?
		Where's the money coming from to really put this guy away?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And remember, this is all going on while people are cheering the murder of the CEO of a company right now.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Right now, the left in the U.S. is topsy-turvy of what is good and positive.
		You have a society that has problems just like any other society, but the left wants to see the bad guys being taken care of and treated as if they're not bad guys, and they want to see the good guys punished.
		Now, I don't think that that actually applies to the CEO, but the idea that he should die for being a – because he's a CEO of a business, that's abhorrent, right?
		The people that are celebrating the murder of a man that had a family, the people that are saying we need more of this, that is absolutely going to make society worse.
		That doesn't make society better.
		It doesn't make people feel more comfortable living in society.
		It makes people more apprehensive.
		It makes people want more government.
		It makes people want more police.
		And this is the exact opposite of what the left says.
		They say things like abolish the police or defund the police.
		Well, if you have people that are acting as vigilantes...
		Then the rest of society is going to say more police.
		Like I was saying the other night, if you have a society that is a high trust society, then you need less government.
		If you have a society that is a low trust society, then you're going to end up getting more government.
		And that's not going to make people on the left or the right happy because most people are like, I want to be free.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's that story we bring up quite a bit about that woman on the train in Philly who got raped and everybody's watched.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm like, that's why.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, the fact, look, the fact that this is a deadlocked jury and we're here at all, it does not matter at this point, in my opinion, if Daniel Penny wins because the process is the punishment.
		Uh-huh.
		hoping that Daniel life will never be the same again yeah his life will never be the same but even if he got a quick uh not guilty verdict right away that's good and then a lot of people will be like oh okay you'll be found not guilty short of that the message sent to the average person is if you try to help people yeah this is what your life will be yeah
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was this video that was viral like last year where a bunch of people are in a market – they're in like an outdoor restaurant, right?
		And a guy comes up out of nowhere and he attacks a woman who's at a table and a guy is with a girl at a table next to them and he doesn't do anything about it.
		And the question was, what was this guy supposed to do?
		Should he have intervened?
		And everybody had their opinions on that.
		And in that video, he kind of – he like pushes his girlfriend out of the way.
		But then he doesn't do anything to help.
		He just kind of skirts out of frame and the decision – the talk became about pragmatism versus what's your duty as a man in this situation.
		Is it your duty to intervene and help this person?
		And the vast majority, devoid of whatever your opinion is on it, the vast majority of the response on Twitter at the time was that it is too risky.
		I have a family at home.
		It is not my responsibility.
		And whatever you feel on that, that is the public sentiment right now from those who are paying attention to the legal system.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That makes society worse.
unidentified		But you know, when I was growing up, it was, you know, the community looked after each other.
		You know, you could leave your front door open.
		Everybody in the community knew each other.
		The parents knew the kids.
		The kids knew what they couldn't do beyond that.
		But if somebody was to start a little fight or something like that, the parents would run out.
		You know you're not supposed to do that.
		But where we are now with these cameras, with these phones and stuff like that, You put this thing up on TikTok.
		You put this thing up on YouTube.
		You put this thing up on Twitter.
		And you're trying to make money.
		Yeah.
		You're trying to make money.
		And where somebody's getting their butt whipped or, you know, just totally annihilated.
		I mean, these knockout.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		In New York.
unidentified		That's when a whole lot of this stuff really started because these people are getting this stuff on cameras, phones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Or even in this situation, it's a matter of just how dishonest the person who recorded the video tends to be, because where does the video start?
		When does the video pick up?
		Was this person being belligerent before, you know, if we're talking in this situation where you put someone in a headlock and you take them down, does the video show the person being belligerent beforehand that shows him intervening to protect people around him?
		Or does the video just start with someone with a dude in a headlock who looks like he just got on a train or got on a bus and started attacking someone?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the whole, you know, this thing going on with Daniel Penny, like, I forget the guy, Jordan Neely, he was mentally ill, and he was threatening people.
		The other people on the train said that he was threatening people.
		You don't have to wait until you're attacked.
		Like, someone actually physically attacks you to do something.
		Like, if that is the case, then you might have to wait until you actually get stabbed or get shot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the Gulag Archipelago famous passage.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where in the Soviet Union, there's a soldier.
		He's on trial for murder.
		A guy was trying to stab him.
		He grabbed the knife, fought back, and stabbed the other guy.
		And they said, why did you do that?
		And he was like, he was going to kill me.
		And he was like, why didn't you run away?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You go to prison.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And that is the general consensus of the left.
		You know, it is psychotically against the people that are doing the normal day-to-day things, defending themselves or whatever.
		You have a...
		A sympathy for the criminal that borders on psychotic.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And taken to its logical conclusion for them, that's when you get into the argument about, well, why did you have to defend yourself in your own home?
		Why would you shoot somebody?
		All he wanted was your TV. All he wanted was the stuff in your safe.
		Well, the stuff in your safe is the sum product of everything that you've worked for, which is an extension of who you are, and to them that doesn't matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you've got to understand their point of view, right?
		Because I've talked about this when it came to Castle Doctrine in New Jersey.
		And what I was told by the cops was, in New Jersey, if someone breaks into your house, you are required to flee if possible.
		And my response was, yes, that's New Jersey.
		And I said, flee where?
		And they were like, what do you mean flee where?
		And I'm like, it's my house.
		Where do I go?
		And they were like, tell that to a judge and a jury.
		And what they're going to say is, you have just confessed you would rather kill a man than stand outside.
unidentified		But you know what?
unidentified		You said, you blame, well, you kind of said leftist, but isn't that just a culture period?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like, what do you mean?
unidentified		Because on these, like, in Baltimore...
unidentified		I'm sure everybody that rides on the bus is not a leftist.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You mean it's the culture in general, which is just basic modern liberalism?
unidentified		Leave it alone.
		You know, just leave it alone.
		It's not bothering me.
		Just leave it alone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's not because of leftism.
		That's because they know the consequences of leftists being in positions of authority.
		Like, if you're just like, I don't want to get involved because I don't want to deal with the repercussions.
unidentified		Right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like, if you live in...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And granted, there is an amount of it because of...
unidentified		Thank you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Meaning you could be...
unidentified		The jury or them getting beat up for being in it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It could be getting hurt, but it also could be...
		Like, if you live in New Jersey and you're in a...
		Like, if you can't defend yourself in your home, you clearly aren't going to be in a situation where if you try to defend someone else in, like, in public, you're going to get...
		You're done.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't even have a weapon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, let's not even talk about the idea of trying to protect somebody.
		You can't even stand there with the right to keep and bear arms.
		They'll put you in prison.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I had a friend years ago in Baltimore.
		He was walking downtown in Lexington Market, and three kids come out.
		Like, give me your wallet.
		And he was like, man, get out of here.
		And they kept jumping on.
		Look, give me your wallet.
		Give me your wallet.
		So they start hitting him.
		Now, he said, hey, I can take these three kids.
		Ain't nothing.
		But just as soon as those three kids...
		got him down on the ground, another 20 come around and bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
		So, but, you know, you're saying, well, is that the culture?
		Or is that just...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a result of the people in positions of power and probably to some extent the families that they're raised in.
		If you've got police and government that are going to say, look man, this guy got killed because this other guy, he attacked this other guy, and this other guy defended himself, and you let the other guy go home...
		Then that's going to deter people attacking, like to a certain degree.
		Police deter people from attacking other people, the possibility of someone defending themselves, because criminals don't want to find someone that is an equal match.
		Criminals want to find someone that is easy.
		They're not that stupid.
		Yeah, that's exactly right.
		I've gone to a lot of self-defense classes and stuff like that.
		Not hand-to-hand combat stuff, but self-defense.
		And it's like, look, if you make yourself look like you're not an easy target, they will select someone else.
		If you look like you're an easy target, then they're going to select someone else.
		And I've talked to girls that I dated and stuff.
		If anyone ever comes and grabs you, make a bunch of noise.
		If they're trying to put you in a car, make them do whatever they're going to do at the first location.
		Don't ever go to Crime Scene 2. Because then you're going with them to where they're comfortable, where they have control of the surrounding, the environment.
		Make a bunch of noise.
		If you make it difficult for them, a lot of times criminals will be like, I'm out of here.
		Now that's not perfect.
		It's not saying that every time that someone tries to attack someone, if they just make a bunch of noise or fight back, then it's not going to be a problem.
		But if you look like you're an easy target, then you're inviting criminals.
		It's the same principle as peace through strength on an international level.
		If you look like you're weak, other countries are going to be like, well, we can push these people around.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen the videos?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There's whole collections of videos of street cameras that catch women almost being thrown into cars at the Texas border.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's insane.
		And the ones that get away are the ones who make the most noise, who make the most scene, and are able to pull away and run as fast as possible.
		But a lot of times, you know, it's late at night, somebody's been out drinking, and you make yourself an easy target, and that's what it is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the best advice you can give to people is, first of all, don't go to stupid places.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Don't go to stupid places with stupid people.
unidentified		I learned that a long time ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is even in Austin.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was one crazy viral story of a woman.
		She said that she was drinking with her boyfriend and his brothers.
		And when they walked out of the bar, she was texting, and they were 10 feet in front of her when a car pulled up and grabbed her, and she screamed.
		And as they're trying to throw into the car, the guys run over and grab the door, fight with the guys, grab her, and the car starts peeling away, and they pull her out of the car.
		And they were like, she was 10 feet behind her texting on the phone, and they tried to snatch her off the street.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Austin.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like...
		Personally, I'm not a big fan of major cities nowadays.
		I avoid going to major cities if I can.
		But yeah, it's not safe to be alone, and these things can happen.
		But the more...
		That you have a society that will stand and watch, or if you're in a place where it's more likely that someone will pull out their phone and record it, as opposed to actually help, that makes it more likely that crime will happen.
		You know, it makes it more likely that criminals will take advantage of those conditions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Will Chamberlain says, What's happened to Daniel Penny isn't justice.
		Prosecutors successfully dismissed a count the jury hung on to try and squeeze out a guilty verdict on count two.
		Justice wouldn't merely be an acquittal.
		It will require Penny to prevail in a civil lawsuit against those who persecuted him for clearly lawful conduct, which means if he's going to actually win this, it's going to be three, four, five years.
		And again, the point that I was making earlier is that's it.
		The moment the deadlocked jury was told, don't worry, you can continue, was the moment the message was sent loud and clear to everybody in New York, don't you dare, in any way, try and intervene or do anything.
		And cops aren't going to do it either.
		Luke Rutkowski has got one of his more viral videos.
		There was a dude on the train.
		Some guy started stabbing people, and the cops stood there and watched.
		And the guy stopped the stabber, got stabbed several times, and then the cops were like, we don't have any obligation to save anybody.
unidentified		Yeah, I learned that a long time ago.
		I had a policeman talking to a couple of policemen, and they were like, you know, we're here to protect and serve, but we really don't have to.
		Stop a fight.
		We'll wait till it gets finished.
		We don't have to stop it.
		There's nothing that's coming down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they're going to file the paperwork after the fact, and then, you know, good luck.
		Let's jump to the story, though, from the Daily Mail.
		Brian Thompson manhunt live.
		Cops find a key item in Central Park in search of the UnitedHealthcare CEO's killer.
		So apparently, I've been hearing that they found the backpack.
		They say they've also obtained a DNA swab from a water bottle possibly dropped by the killer who has not yet been identified.
		They say at the time of the killing, Thompson and his estranged wife, Paulette, had been living in separate homes.
		So this is crazy.
		Investigators have found a backpack in Central Park they believe may be linked to UnitedHealthcare CEO Killer, an NYPD spokesperson told CNN. So here's what I think, you know, look, we're obviously tracking the details.
		A lot of speculation as to whether or not they're going to find this person.
		It sounds like from the corporate news, this guy may be the killer.
		And what they're saying is the reason why it's different clothing and it looks very different is that they think this is the guy.
		Prior to that day where he changed his clothes.
		And I don't know what the rumor was.
		Something like he may have been flirting, so he pulled his mask down or something like this.
		Is that what you heard?
		That's what I heard.
		He was flirting, so he took the mask off.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So the jacket is different?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's lusted because of the thirst.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The thirst, yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I just assumed it was like different camera, different color temperature.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought at first, but it's clearly a different jacket when you look at the structure of the thickness.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It looks like Michael Fassbender in Assassin's Creed.
unidentified		When I heard the flirting, I was like, okay, you got Earl Flynn now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, we were just talking about Daniel Penny, and these billionaires and these CEOs were all backing the Democrats.
		You got the CEO who just got gunned down.
		All of these leftists celebrating it and calling for more.
		And I'm like, is that the world they wanted to live in?
		Because now they're living in it.
		And the rest of us just left the cities.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this might be the best example of it actually directly affecting them specifically.
		But if the idea here is that they're going to back a candidate, say, who's going to be pro-abortion, where now what they have to do for a lot of times is like, look, we will pay for you to go get an abortion in another city rather than have you take maternity leave.
		They're going to operate in the best interest of the company until it starts affecting them directly, which is exactly what the leftists on Twitter are so excited about right now, which is why they're rejoicing about it.
		It's disgusting.
unidentified		You know what?
unidentified		I was reading earlier this morning about CVS. CVS, because of this, they've started taking down the exec pictures and stuff from off the wall.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, that was crazy.
unidentified		I was like, wow.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Taylor Lorenz posted the picture of the...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Of the CEO of Blue Cross.
		Yeah, and then a bunch of these companies have taken down all the bios for their executive leadership.
		That is, look...
		That is Taylor Lorenz's doing.
		She engaged in veiled terrorism, and they all responded.
unidentified		And she doubled down on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Blue Cross reversed the policy, and then all these big companies are now taking their photos and bios down from websites and deleting the pages.
		This is crazy.
		So here's what I think y'all need to consider.
		Do you think that these CEOs, these executives...
		Saw the news and went, oh geez, and then called and said, take those pages down?
		Or do you think these CEOs who contract some of the biggest security firms in the world got on the phone and said, what is this about?
		What do you think?
		And the security firm said, this is a targeted political hit.
		So I'll just say this.
		Having security, my understanding of this is, We don't make moves without consulting security because that's why we pay them.
		So, you know, we have PO boxes and things like this.
		When they come to us and they tell us, like, here's the assessment, here's what we consider, we do it.
		So, for instance, when we were getting swatted in bomb threats, often the show would go on and we'd be like, oh, we were swatted earlier, but you didn't see it because security takes care of these things.
		But there was that one day where we evacuated the building for three hours.
		My point is...
		Their security companies believe there is a strong enough possibility that this is a politically motivated assassination.
		That's why they took action.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And wouldn't reversing policy and acquiescing actually make it worse?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I can't make an assessment.
		I might make it worse or not.
		But I don't think they make any move without consulting lawyers and security.
		And so they probably go to their security company and say, what is the chance that this is targeting CEOs of healthcare companies or is it anything else?
		The fact that they actually paid the money to remove this information, because not like it's the most expensive thing in the world, but the bigger the company, the more expensive it's going to be.
		They probably had to call a dev team and say, we need this taken down, get it done.
		And then it doesn't cost that much for a company this big.
		But it certainly means that they put in effort.
		They must believe there's a reasonable possibility this is politically motivated.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if the security companies actually were like, hey, like reached out and said, look, we're in charge of security.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You need to take these down now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It could be this, too.
		It might be exactly that.
		Not that they know anything, but that they said, they may have called and said, if you publish your photo and your name, we can't protect you.
		And so the company then just reacted and did it.
unidentified		Well, you know what?
unidentified		All of the pamphlets and all of the books they have to see your pictures and those, you're going to pull those, too?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, but the idea is first line of the easiest thing first, right?
		So somebody will take more effort to go and find a pamphlet and then get information on that person.
		Just because a door lock can be passed really easily doesn't mean you don't lock your door.
unidentified		Website's next.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll give you guys another example because I'm very pro 2A and I've often said that Look, if you want to carry a gun and we do an event, I don't care.
		If I don't want to do the event because I'm scared of guns, I won't do the event.
		And then we can't get insurance or security.
		So it's not even an issue of what I want and what I believe in.
		We get told by different security companies, you want to allow weapons in the event?
		Okay, sorry, we can't protect you.
		And they were like, you can pay us, but we tell you straight up, there's no security at your event.
		And we're like, okay.
		And they're like...
		So do you want security or not?
		And then the other issue is insurance.
		You want people to open carry or conceal carry at your event?
		Insurance says, sorry, not interested, can't get insurance, can't do the event.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Does the same thing hold true?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Is that why so many, I mean, among other things, why federal buildings have the same?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, federal buildings are, they've made that law.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like at banks and stuff, or any regular business that says...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It depends on the bank.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, most banks have a gun with a circle and a line through it being like, weapons are not permitted in the premises.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Unless you're a criminal, then you bring it anyways.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		In New Hampshire, there's none of the...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Private business.
		A private business, is that not just because federally it's looked upon...
		What?
		Is it like that with private businesses because they're not federally bound to have...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So if you're at a CVS and you have no guns allowed on the premises, is that because of federal law?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Is that just because of insurance?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That is likely because of a policy that the store owner has.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to be a federal thing because the government isn't going to say, oh, you can't bring this into a privately owned business.
unidentified		What I want to know is, where is he?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Where is he?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say he fled the state.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Back to Atlanta.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Atlanta?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		South America, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what they're saying when he bought a bus ticket from Atlanta to New York with a fake ID. Oh, is that what the situation was?
		Okay, dude, if it's...
		If this dude actually was flirting with some chicken, pulled his mask down, and that's how he gets caught...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That is the most movie part of the whole plot.
unidentified		It is, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		As much as whether we're talking about the dude clearing the rounds individually, whether we're talking about the fact that he's cool and calm the entire time, doesn't react to the civilian on the side...
		Whether we're talking about the fact that he absconds, moves, and changes clothes, and then gets caught because he turns around and pulls his mask down to flirt with someone.
		They've literally done episodes of TV shows where that happens.
		There's an episode of White Collar, where a guy steals a painting, and then he gets caught on camera, looks back at a girl, and then catches his face on the camera.
		That's literally this.
		This whole thing is a movie plot.
unidentified		But you know what?
		In looking at that video, and we were talking about earlier, nobody says, well, not that many people talk about, there was a guy in the truck.
		There was a guy in the truck, and he saw everything, and just, okay.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because he'll become Daniel Penny if he does anything about it.
unidentified		Well, I mean, police always say that cars are weapons, so...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they can be, but...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I kind of feel like...
unidentified		Floor it, baby, floor it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The jury makeup in the Daniel Penny case.
		Look, guys, I want to say, you know, that old Tim Civil War pool is feeling pretty good and optimistic based on this massive sweep.
		And it is true.
		Republicans winning basically everything is indicative of a cultural shift in a positive direction, which will prevent this violent bifurcation.
		But you look at the Daniel Penny thing and there is some optimism there, but there's a question.
		So one of the superchats is saying that it's like half men, half women, and one person wearing a double mask.
		So you know the ideological bent of these people.
		They don't care what's true.
		They're angry, emotional, dangerous ideologues.
		But the question then is...
		This is New York.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so if this is only a couple of lunatics who are doing this, are we actually improving and winning back the culture?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we should be optimistic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's not New York.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He didn't come from New York.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm saying the jury in New York is comprised of these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't seem – a deadlocked jury means they're not all woke, insane people.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the idea.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It could be just one person.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, my first thought was it went back to Rittenhouse, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And Rittenhouse being acquitted seemed like a big cultural moment as well because everybody assumed that he was going to end up going to jail.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was scary.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So is this the idea that – does this set us back if Rittenhouse was a step forward or does it have more to do with the location?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what's crazy?
		People need to think about this.
		Earlier today on the Culture War podcast, we had King Randall and Maj Touré on and we were talking about BLM and stuff like that.
		And Jacob Blake came up.
		Jacob Blake, you guys know who that was?
		This is the story where a guy goes to his ex-wife's house.
		He had a warrant for felony sexual assault.
		And he goes to this woman's house.
		I don't know if the reports were, it's been a while, that he was actively assaulting her at the time, or she was scared he was gonna, so she called the police.
		The police try to subdue him.
		He ignores the cops, breaks free, walks to his car, reaches for a knife.
		They shoot him, he gets paralyzed.
		This is not a guy that anybody should be defending.
		He should be in jail.
		The NFL put Jacob Blake on their helmets.
		All these different teams, they deleted a lot of those posts.
		But here's the thing.
		That's why there were protests in Kenosha.
		At the time, it was all obvious to us.
		Jacob Blake thing happens.
		Riots happen.
		Cut right now happens.
		But now people forget about the Jacob Blake.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The whole reason they were there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The whole reason they were there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the fact that mainstream corporate America was supporting the rapist.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		probably assumed it had more to do with George Floyd.
		Yep.
		Like they've all just transposed the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why I was saying it's important to remember that this whole thing with Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't just about a kid who was threatened and then tried to defend himself.
		It was a riot to defend and protect a rapist who tried drawing a knife on cops.
		And Kyle Rittenhouse was there to render aid when they threatened to kill him The amount of evil that existed at the time, and I hope, is being pushed aside.
		The amount of evil was unfathomable.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Do you think a lot of this just has to do with the speed of which information moves and the way it's obfuscated from the people that are used in these situations?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Meaning the most useful idiot is the one who goes out and starts protesting without really understanding what they're protesting for?
unidentified		The way that I have seen it over the years is that the culture only needs a reason.
		I mean, well, they don't even need a reason.
		They just need a little spark.
		That's it.
		Because there are just some people out here that just want to just tear things up.
		They don't care.
		That's where Antifa came from.
		That's where BLM came from.
		That's where, well, I sort of occupy Wall Street as a grandfather, grandmother.
		But they just need a reason.
		And then it goes poof.
		And they don't care.
		And they won't stop until, you know, until they get paid or whatever.
		You know what I'm saying?
		They won't stop.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the things that we talk about frequently here is the left needs people that are unhappy, right?
		Because well-adjusted, happy people that are pleased with their lives or feel like they have something that they're working for in their lives, working towards in their lives, Yep.
		activity.
		So it doesn't matter if it's a good reason, just like you said, all they need is just some reason, some excuse, and you will have, there are sufficient people that are unhappy where you can get them riled up and say, okay, now it's time to do just break stuff. okay, now it's time to do just break stuff.
		And it's, it doesn't have to have a target that, that makes sense.
		It can just be, I'm mad at society, so let's burn things down.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Also, there's two layers to that now, because yes, the most violent of them may go out into the streets and perform these acts, but then you also get the further uninformed people that will just do it on social media, which boosts the post there.
unidentified		That's easy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It makes it even easier to reach more people who are unhappy, and it all sparks from there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Palmer Luckey just tweeted this out a few minutes ago.
		It's a really good point.
		He says, I hope the NYC assassination gives certain people a hint as to why concern about mass reporting the location of specific private jets is in fact reasonable rather than hysterical.
		When those – there's that guy who's posting what Taylor Swift's jet and Elon Musk's.
		People don't understand that these jets land at airports with zero security.
		So like the airport in Maryland that Ye flew in and out of, it's a four-foot-high chain-link fence with a gate you can pop up and walk in.
		And if people are saying like, here's where they are, this is the kind of stuff that could happen.
		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But that's the sweet spot of where these people like to be, right?
		Which is rich people, the haves and the have-nots.
		And even if the idea is that it's something as stupid as climate change that they're supposedly watchdogging for, that can be piggybacked by people with much worse intentions than just yelling at Taylor Swift on the internet.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just yelling at Taylor Swift.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there's a lot of people.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people that get mad, especially when it's a simple understanding of, oh, it's billionaires, right?
		This amorphous idea.
		People that have a lot of money or that they believe have a lot of money because they're quote-unquote billionaires or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The idea that that makes it inherently acceptable to attack them and treat them as lesser, that's not new in history.
		That was the justification for killing all the kulaks in Ukraine in the Soviet Union.
		And that ended with millions of the people that killed the kulaks dying because the kulaks were the ones that knew how to farm.
		It's not that...
		Now granted, I'm not making the argument that this particular CEO is like, our society doesn't hinge on this one guy.
		But the idea that someone that has a lot of money doesn't deserve it because they inherently are bad for it.
		Jeff Bezos, or the family that owns Walmart...
		Those people provide thousands and thousands of jobs and they make it easy for millions of people across the country to get food and to get the things they need for their daily life.
		That doesn't make them the bad guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I would say it doesn't make them necessarily inherently immoral, but I think all that's bad.
		So aside from the obvious that Walmart destroys mom-and-pop shops, and that's been a big controversy for a long time, I went to a small town, I think it was in Nebraska, I can't remember, it might have been Oklahoma, and they had a Walmart.
		And it was kind of wild, I was passing through, but people told me, we used to have a bunch of small shops, Walmart came in, and now the only thing in town is Walmart.
		Everything's gone.
		You want to get your car fixed, you go to Walmart.
		You want to get booze, you go to Walmart.
		You want to buy guns, you go to Walmart.
		And so life should not be overly easy.
		There has to be a degree of challenge in your life to make people more resilient.
		And while we can certainly say like, yeah, but can.
		Convenience is different.
		The problem is it does disrupt local communities.
		And then the worst thing is there are stories where Walmart has opened a super center in an area.
		All the small business shut down.
		And then Walmart realizes a year later it's not profitable and decides to move locations.
		And now there's nothing.
		The economy has been decimated.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And those businesses can't reopen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Because you need like 50 grand for your inventory or whatever.
		And some of it might be generational stores.
unidentified		That's what happened in the town that I was raised in.
		It's like the whole downtown, Main Street, Ray Street, all those mom and pop shops and everything.
		They went out and put Walmart on the outskirts of the city.
		And then they put more of the strip mall shops outside of the city.
		Now you can just walk, I mean, those old stores, nobody's using the, you know, and it's like, wow, I mean, and the convenience that you were just talking about, Some of the old people can't just get out to the outskirts of the city anymore.
		You know, I mean, you know, they might have a Dustbuster bus or whatnot, but I mean, it's a shame that it's like that.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But the anger at someone like Jeff Bezos to me is the most interesting because it just feels like it depends on your philosophy for life.
		So out here, we go by a lot of areas that are very rural that would not normally be able to get packages as quickly as they do, not to mention the jobs that it provides for people who do work, whether as delivery or in a warehouse and things like that.
		And I look at that and I see that as a marvel of growth and invention, which I find is something to aspire to.
		Now, there's obviously greater concerns there as far as what it does for the job market.
		And frankly, if we're talking about overtaking the post office, they lose billions and billions of dollars every year, right?
		But the point is, is that there is a level of envy that comes with someone's success where they cannot focus on the good provided by a business.
		They can only think about it in terms of the negative, and that has grown as income inequality has grown in this country.
		That's one of the problems.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this story from the Chicago Sun-Times.
		Far-right influencer Nick Fuentes charged with battery of Berwyn woman.
		Marla Rose previously said that Fuentes pepper sprayed her and pushed her down the front steps of his West Suburban home.
		Now he's facing a misdemeanor charge.
		Okay, let's clarify a few things.
		It was two steps, okay?
		Just two.
		That's important.
		That is the clarification right there.
		I'm going to come out and say it right on the top.
		These charges should never have been filed.
		This should be dropped, and it's ridiculous.
		I am not a fan of Nick Fuentes, but clearly, if...
		Okay, the dude, what did he do?
		He trolled on the internet.
		He said, your body, my choice.
		So far away from being offensive and illegal.
		Look, the dude has said more offensive things in his life.
		Many people say more.
		Taylor Lorenz!
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Says substantially more offensive things.
unidentified		And double down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And double down.
		Fuentes starts getting death threats and gets doxxed because of this.
		These people are celebrating it.
		By all means, don't doxx people, but you're allowed to insult and not like Nick Fuentes.
		And then, as the dude's getting death threats, and there's, like, apparently we're a couple vehicles with people in them in front of his house.
		A woman walks up, apparently she's holding something, her phone, and Fuentes opens the door and pepper sprays her.
		He's getting charged for this.
		He's at his home minding his own business.
		Look, How many times have there been officers that have been deemed justified in shootings because someone was holding a cell phone and they didn't know if it was a weapon or not?
		I'm not saying they should be justified.
		But if Nick Fuentes, all he did was pepper spray and shove somebody because they're walking up to his house?
unidentified		On his property, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On his property?
		Now, I certainly think there's an argument of, look, maybe you should call the police and back off because it's stupid to approach the door with pepper spray if you think someone might be trying to kill you.
		But the idea that he would get arrested, charged, and mugshotted over this I think is stupid.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's Illinois.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that's why I'm not surprised because defending yourself is illegal in that state.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was dumb for him to do that because of where he lives.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You should know that the state that you live in doesn't approve of any kind of self-defense, any kind of active self-protection at all.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		How long after it happened was he arrested?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It looks like it's today.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it happened today?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, the arrest happened today?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the arrest was today.
unidentified		I thought it was before Thanksgiving.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was arrested before Thanksgiving?
unidentified		The 27th.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		December 7th, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Okay, arrested today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was arrested on the 27th.
		I didn't even realize it was that long ago that he got arrested.
		Oh, wow.
		You know, it was Thanksgiving for me.
		I wasn't paying attention.
		I think this is ridiculous.
		And a lot of people are posting online, if I'm getting a bunch of death threats, And you show up to my house?
unidentified		That's what I was thinking too.
		I was like, you don't know what's coming in his email.
		You don't know what messages might be left on his phone.
		I mean, so if somebody just walks up to your house and you ain't never seen these people before and they got something in their head, just like you said, it's a phone.
		You don't know.
		I mean, okay, well, I'm going to meet you at the door.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I would say, like, if you live in Illinois, Nick, you shouldn't live in Illinois.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the big takeaway.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		So there are some distinctions here.
		Look, we're in West Virginia.
		walk up to this property.
		We have security perimeter and we have security.
		So even our food delivery guys are like, I don't know, what is it, like a football field away confused because you can't get in.
		And if you try to get in, you will be severely hurt because there are there's like several signs before you come in.
		There's a big difference.
		If you were somehow able to walk up to my front door, it's you if don't do it.
		I'll just say, please, for the love of all that is holy, do not come to the front door of my house.
unidentified		Cancel Christmas, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying, like, you've already committed a felony at that point, if you're able to make it to the front door, and there's armed security guards who aren't going to wait to ask questions considering we get death threats.
		The difference for Nick Fuentes is that he's on a public street in a residential area where his property line is 10 feet.
		And so the argument they're going to make is...
		This could be a delivery person or a solicitor that he just pepper sprays randomly.
		He didn't wait to find out.
		He didn't know it was.
		He can certainly argue that he was concerned or whatever.
		But they're going to argue if he really thought he was facing a threat, he would have called the police and he would have went and hid or gone out the back door or done something else.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Second I heard this and I heard Chicago, I imagined it being at the house from home alone.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just open the door and the spray just shoots out.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Harry and Marv are there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, Tim and myself have both moved because of the place that we were living in.
		Was no longer to our liking.
		My house is in New Hampshire and I got an apartment here in West Virginia.
		That's by choice, intentionally.
		I'm fortunate in that the jobs that I do make that possible or made that possible.
		But I didn't like the laws in Massachusetts, so I left.
		You see people doing this from leaving California.
		A lot of times they're leaving for monetary reasons and going to Texas or going to Florida.
		But people move out of places that are not to their liking.
		Nick doing this in Illinois, Nick was dumb to do this because of where he lives.
		It's not that it was wrong of him to do it.
		He actually didn't hurt the woman.
		He mazed her, but he didn't cause permanent damage.
		He didn't shoot her.
unidentified		Made her famous.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So hold on.
		I don't think he was arrested.
		Oh, okay.
		So all of the stories that are coming up right now from today saying he was arrested, I don't think it was reported that it was on the 27th, but they're reporting now that after the incident he was booked, fingerprinted, and searched on November 27th and ultimately charged with battery and released.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's due in Cook County on the 19th.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what, man?
		I'll tell you, Nick.
		These court systems are not fair, and they don't care, and they absolutely will take into account everything that he has done.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so we've seen this before with other personalities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you're a controversial figure, the judge is going to be like, don't know, don't care, the law doesn't apply to you, you're going to jail.
unidentified		Yep.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's what will happen here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the judge is going to...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Maybe a short time, but, you know, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you...
		Look, everybody knows, if you go to court and you insult the judge, good luck.
		He's going to be like, okay, lock him up.
		Yeah.
		So, Nick going to court, you're going to get a judge in Illinois who's likely going to be liberal-leaning, and they're going to think to themselves two things.
		I don't want to be the person to go light on Nick Fuentes because it's going to reflect poorly on me, and this guy's a dickhead, and so he gets what's coming to him.
		The judge is going to be like, lock him up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Even being not an internet troll and being right-leaning, like publicly right-leaning...
		You're risking getting a left-leaning judge and the judge deciding that he wants to punish you.
		Look at Kyle Rittenhouse.
		He got lucky that the judge was not left-leaning.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at Daniel Penny.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		So, like, Daniel Penny, you don't even really know his politics other than he wanted to help the people that he was in the subway with.
		So...
		Like, Nick Fuentes...
		Like Donald Trump.
		Yeah, exactly.
		Donald Trump was a Democrat forever.
		If they look into Nick Fuentes, his history, which they likely will...
		They're not going to be kind to him.
		They're going to say, this kid is a bad kid.
		He's blah, blah, blah.
		And I'm not endorsing this.
		I don't think it's a good thing at all.
		I think Nick is silly and I think that he's got some dumb ideas, but I don't have anything personal against the guy.
		But this is going to be a bad deal for him.
		It's going to turn into something really, really, really bad.
		It was very, very dumb to do this in Illinois.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Wait, do you think that he's going to get community service?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he's going to get jail time for this?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think whatever.
		He assaulted someone, so he could get jail time, I assume.
		I don't know what the laws are.
		I don't know what they're going to charge him with.
		I don't know what the laws are like in Illinois.
		What's it called?
		But I don't imagine he's going to get leniency.
		I don't think they're going to be like, well, he means well, and so we're going to go ahead and just give him probation, when really what they're going to say is, oh, your body, my choice?
		So he thought that he was within his rights to mace this person because he obviously thinks that it's their body, it's his to do with, dispose of as he pleases.
		They're going to see that, they're going to say that, and they're going to be like, throw the book at him.
unidentified		I can see him going in there and the judge looking right dead at him and was like, oh, you're Nick Prentice.
		You know, it's like, oh.
		And hopefully he doesn't get a brother.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bet it's, oh man, I bet it's worse than that.
		The judge is going to get handed the docket and the documents.
		He's going to go, ugh.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
		Or, like, hopefully he's the first case.
		Because usually, I mean, you know, if judges have been up there for three or four hours, you know, they tend to get a little bit more pissed off.
		That's it.
		I don't want to hear it.
		30 days.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I imagine, honestly, I think it'll be way, way more than 30 days.
unidentified		You think so?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that they're going to want to make an example.
unidentified		Or a mace and a push.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, battery, I think it's like, what is it, six months?
unidentified		I don't know, I don't know, but whatever the- I think the maximum could be six months.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think whatever the fullest extent of the law allows, I think that that's what the judge will give him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to argue that he instigated and incited by- While he was inside of his home.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, beforehand.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to say he intentionally went online and antagonized, instigated, creating a threat he was well aware of.
		They'll likely...
		And I'm not saying...
		I don't know if for sure this happened, but one pathway they might go is they're going to find examples of him gloating, laughing, and saying things like, screw you, what can you do about it, blah, blah, blah.
		And then...
		They're going to be like, so he was, so if there's a, I'm pretty sure this is how it works in Illinois.
		If in Illinois you instigate a fight, then your defense is limited.
		So if someone punches you and hits battery, and then they can prove that you actually told the guy, what are you going to do about it?
		You insulted him and said, hit me, I dare you, and things like that.
		They're like, that's your fault.
		You instigated a fight.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So basically what you're saying is that video that he kind of made fun and stuff like that, that could be shown.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everything he said can and will be used against him in a court of law.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about the victim, but if she's Jewish, he's doomed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's woke.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because look at his past rhetoric.
unidentified		Can you imagine if she's Jewish?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've already charged him.
unidentified		And the judge is a brother.
unidentified		I mean, that's like 10 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, as much as I think that any judge could hold it against Nick Fuentes because he's a controversial public figure that says things that offend people...
		I wouldn't immediately assume that just because the judge is black, he's not capable of being impartial.
		You know what I mean?
		I think typically judges are personal and they have emotions and they're going to weigh that.
unidentified		If it's an afternoon case and he's been up there for a little bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that could be anybody, right?
unidentified		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you this.
		If Clarence Thomas was a judge and Fuentes came in, he's not going to be like, I hate this guy, I'm going to throw the book at him.
		Clarence Thomas is going to do a good job being a good judge.
unidentified		Well, Clarence is a little bit different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's the cream of the crop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's the best of the best.
unidentified		He's a little bit different than those judges that are out there doing every day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree, I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't compare the best judge that we have in the entire country with your run-of-the-mill Cook County local district court judge or whatever.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Clarence Thomas is awesome.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He's the OG. Yeah, Alito's great too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad those guys are on the top.
unidentified		And those headlines won't help them either.
		I mean, white nationalists, really?
		Yeah.
		In Chicago?
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're going to throw the book at him.
		But who knows?
		Who knows?
		We may be overthinking it.
		The courts, look, they're lazy.
		They don't want to deal with this stuff.
		They just might be like, how do I make this go away?
		And then there's two considerations.
		They could be saying the protesters are going to get mad if we don't get something out of them.
		So they're going to offer them a plea bargain of some sort that's got to satisfy the activists.
unidentified		Any?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like what would happen with George Floyd in the trial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that they're – I mean they might be – I mean that's a consideration.
		They could say, listen, if you let this guy off with anything light, there's going to be riots.
		These people want blood.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean I don't know if this would go to that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that would come to – Not for this or who Nick Fuentes is.
		And so the court's going to be saying, why did someone show up to his house in the first place?
		Because he's antagonistic on the internet.
		Okay, how many of these people are there?
		There's a lot of people who are mad about this.
		It went massively viral.
		Okay, what's the likelihood?
		What's the ramifications if we give them a plea deal?
		Like, you could have protests.
		Well, we don't want protests, so what do we do?
		You've got to get a conviction.
		Something.
unidentified		Would her character come into this, too?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The woman got pushed?
		I doubt it.
		The consideration is not, did Nick, they don't care.
		It's not a question of, did Nick do something wrong?
		It's a question of, how do we avoid political ramifications from this?
		And it's a question of, here's a question for you guys.
		Do you think the left would protest if they dismiss the charges?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pardon me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they dismiss the charges, would the left protest?
unidentified		I don't think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then I think dismissal is likely.
		Because they're going to be like, I don't care about this.
		They're going to be like, why is this guy, who cares?
		Push the woman, this is a waste of our time.
		There's a dude who just shot three people on the south side.
unidentified		Exactly, exactly.
unidentified		I mean, you know, there's little kids that are getting shot on the front steps and stuff.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see this coming to something that would end up being protests or anything like that.
unidentified		Yeah, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they say Nick Fuentes pepper sprayed and pushed this woman and he's let go with no charges...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a small, small probability that people might protest and be like...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		News cycle is so fast now.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I just see this disappearing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In which case, then I think it's not likely that they throw the book at them.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
unidentified		If there are any protests, it'll be those groipers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what would start a protest?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they want to protest, they'd have to dismiss the charges, issue a public apology, stand with him at City Hall shaking his hand and saying, you're a good person, and that would get you a protest.
unidentified		Had to do it.
		Had to do it, yeah.
		I mean, throwing her down the steps.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was two stairs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It barely qualifies as a curb.
unidentified		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree with him doing it, but I also, because of where he lives in Chicago, and I'm from Chicago, someone walks up to your door and knocks, I don't think the appropriate response is what he did.
		I should say this.
		I don't know the circumstances.
		I don't know.
		He could have got an email saying, I'm coming to your house right now, and I bet he does.
		And so when the woman shows up, he's like, oh crap, who knows?
		But he shouldn't live in Illinois, because the proximity, there's no way to secure himself, and he's going to end up in a situation like this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		If he could produce an email in the past few hours that says someone's, like, I'm on the way to your house, then that might be something that could help his case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bet he has 5,000 DMs, emails, messages of people saying, I'm coming right now to get you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
		Yeah, I mean, actually, maybe then, maybe he produces these and he says, look, this is the constant barrage that I'm under.
		I know that I say things that are inflammatory, but this is the reason why I behave that way.
unidentified		But you know the photo date is famous, right?
		Him just standing...
		I mean, just a picture of him standing up, looking over like Dirty Harry, like, you know, that...
		Oh, okay.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd bring up January 6th, too, because he was there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ha!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		Let's jump to the story from Fox News.
		Sarah Silverman says she's become less political because no one wants to hear from celebrities anymore.
		Liberal Comics said it wouldn't have made a difference if she'd been more outspoken this election.
		I wonder if the real story is that no one wants to hear from you...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Maybe, but I feel like it's a win either way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the reality is here is we have basically had such a decisive win in the culture war that the enemy has been routed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have fallen from their horses and are fleeing and scattering in random directions.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There was also a lot of news coming out this week.
		Look, George Clooney blames Obama for...
		Basically turning him into a patsy.
unidentified		You left me with the bag!
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You left him holding the bag.
		That's what he said.
		And there was another article came out today that the activist class in Hollywood is basically, they're taking a step back now and what they're going to do in the future is focus on local elections because they want to keep pushing abortion and climate change propaganda and stuff like that.
		And for these actors and actresses, look, last week we had Alec Baldwin and we had Sharon Stone calling all of America, half of America, idiots for who they voted for while condescendingly telling them, well, you don't even have a passport.
		How could you possibly know what's good for you?
		These people never learn.
		As much as we make fun of it, this is actually a certain amount of self-reflection that's honestly pretty rare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that wokeness in Hollywood is being diminished?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think it's getting worse?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about getting worse.
		I think that it ends up staying the same.
		I think as long as streaming services are just saddled with endless need for content...
		That there's too much content being made.
		There's too many substandard content creators that rely on it.
		And there's too many holes in the system to pull it out and get rid of it.
		Meaning that, sure, at the level of big budget movies, you'll see a pullback on it in a lot of ways.
		If you look at the stuff that comes out, they'll go back one direction.
		But as soon as you go back to television, look, they've got 10,000 shows coming out and only so many good scriptwriters...
		There is only one Taylor Sheridan and only a few people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone else should be fired.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And everybody else should be fired, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But for the most part, you're not going to see it go away because it's too entrenched in the coastal elite.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm ready to get rid of every streaming service.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Just Paramount.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except Paramount at this point.
		So I'm watching Landman, and I'm waiting for the next episode.
		And so I'm like, well, come on, man.
		Yellowstone is like, it's messed up.
		It's gone.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kevin Gosser's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so then I started watching Tulsa King, and I'm like, man, this is good.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Landman and Tulsa King.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What it proves to you is you can tell stories that have elements of progressivism in there, as long as you don't treat the characters like morons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But Taylor's a great storyteller.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Everybody go watch Sicario right now after the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Such an awesome movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The scene at the border.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The border scene.
		It's probably the greatest masterclass intention building in cinema history.
		Listen for the dog.
		Listen for the dog barking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they have, what's her face in it?
		Emily Blunt?
		Is that her name?
		She's in it.
		And it's wild to me that It's a great character.
		There's action.
		There's suspense.
		There's good writing.
		You can have strong whamons or whatever you want.
		And then whenever you get these female writers and these woke writers that intentionally want to make strong women woke content, it's just miserably awful.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you watch that movie, it's because you see her just experience the horror of what's going on at the border.
		And she's not there to be the strong, independent woman.
		She's there to look at the horrors of what's going on in the drug war and be the audience's eyes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that meme where it's like men riding women and it shows like Ripley from Alien and like Katniss Everdeen and this is women riding women and it's She-Hulk twerking?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like men writing lawyers.
		It's men writing lawyers and stuff like that.
unidentified		Sicario is the dinner scene, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, at the very end.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That movie's so good.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The first time I saw it, I was like, what the fuck?
unidentified		I know, I know.
		Look, I almost peed on myself.
		I was like, I can't believe he just did that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You know, with the success of Yellowstone, everybody was talking about how it's like, look, it's not woke.
		And it's the biggest show right now, and people were claiming that it was like Game of Thrones for conservatives or whatever.
		And then Costner left, and now the show is just...
		I don't even know if the show is at this point.
		I'm not going to watch it.
unidentified		I mean, either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'm like...
		These shows that are massively successful, like all of Sheridan's shows, they are not woke.
		And there's an element critical.
		Landman...
		I didn't even know Landman came out until that viral scene where he's talking to that woman, and he's explaining how wind turbines...
		And it's such amazing writing.
		Things you don't even consider.
		She's in the car and she goes, green energy, you know, what is it, like encroaching on the oil?
		And he's like, no, oil companies are using alternative energy to power the pumps.
		And then she's like, what?
		And then he gets out and he explains the amount of, he's like, do you have any idea how much diesel it takes to get these things, to haul them out here, to put the 12 feet of concrete in the ground, to put it up?
		They're out here not because it's green energy, because there's no power lines to power the pumps.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's the same thing that he does that they do in Yellowstone when he explains all of the animals that are killed to farm avocados and stuff like that.
		All it is is it takes a certain level of research on their part and the ability to think past the level of a tweet.
		Right?
		Like actually have a discussion.
		If you listen to his discussion with Joe Rogan and he talks about the process of writing these characters, he says all of it has to do with actually doing your research and allowing characters to be multifaceted and they don't have to do it.
		One of the problems with a lot of the writing in Hollywood is that if somebody has progressive ideals, they can have no flaws.
		The point now is that you need to actually be able to write characters again where you can actually be a bad guy and still be the focus of the show.
		You can be a mid-level person.
		You can have good traits and bad traits.
unidentified		But...
unidentified		Are you blurring, but is that blurring the line with bad and good?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Not in the way that...
unidentified		Destroying culture too, because we were talking about Thanos earlier from the Marvel stuff, you know, it's like total, total badass.
		Yeah, I mean, you know, you feel for the guy.
		Oh man, he, yeah, you know, he wouldn't help his world, you know.
		But when you blur that line of good and bad, there is no more good and bad anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is what they keep trying to do.
		I'm just so sick of it.
		Like Rings of Power got roasted because they gave the orcs families and tried to justify the orcs.
		And it's like the orcs were meant to be malevolent evil and incarnate.
		And that was it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		One of the worst examples this year, if anybody watched the Godawful Crow reboot, which is It's an abomination.
		Whatever you do, don't see that movie.
		It's one of the worst things you've ever seen, right?
		And to your point, in the original Crow, the whole point is there's an extremely poignant anti-drug message to the film that is very, very layered and important to the character because he lives in a city full of chaos, drugs, crime...
		And he's killed on Halloween, on the eve of his wedding, which is a very, very, you know, poignant thing to think about by criminals.
		And then when they make the reboot, they're like a bunch of goths who do drugs together.
		And it's like, did you even watch the original movie?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, bro, you gotta see the Craft reboot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen that one?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I recommend it to everybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then after you watch it, you're gonna be like, curse you, Tim Pool.
unidentified		How could you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yo, the original craft from the 90s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's four teenage girls and they're witches and then they do witch stuff.
unidentified		It was cool, though.
unidentified		I mean, it was cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was fun.
		They basically start fighting with each other.
		And it's like an internal conflict and you're like, wow.
		The new craft, it's like one of the witches is a trans girl, so it's like a male.
		And then they use magic to turn the bully gay.
		I'm not kidding.
		And then the bad guy turns out to be literally the patriarchy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's David Duchovny and he's like, I'm a man and I'm here because I'm in charge and I have the power.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Think about that.
		This is what I'm talking about.
		Those ideas are so grandiose and stupid when all you have to do is like, wow, the oil industry is crazy.
		Let's write about the oil industry because this dude is black bagged by a bunch of cartel members and then basically does a deal with them to...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Taylor Sheridan's...
		I'm imagining all of his shows.
		It's like he sees a tweet from a leftist that's really stupid.
		Like, we need more wind turbines to offset carbon emissions.
		And he went, you idiot.
		So he sits down with the executives and he's like, here's one tweet.
		And they're like, we could do a show about a guy who works on oil companies.
		And then what do they have?
		Two incredible scenes where it's basically explaining to the audience how dumb they are.
		And not like, disrespectfully, making a point...
		So the opening scene of Landman is some of the best television I have seen in a decade.
		I don't know.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The rest of the series still needs to catch up to how good that opening scene is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was like an IPO. It starts off at $100 and then drops down to $10.
unidentified		It's still good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me just explain without spoiling it.
		The opening scene of the whole show sells it so well.
		Billy Bob, he's black bag.
		Cartel members are like, you think you can come on our land?
		And then he basically explains the power of the oil industry to these guys with guns.
		And like, I'm going to spoil it a little bit.
		They basically set it up so you know how bad these guys are.
		One guy shoots another guy and he kicks his body over and he's like, you're going to come on my land?
		And then he's basically like, the oil industry makes $6.8 million off each acre per day.
		And then he's like breaking down the numbers and he's like, yeah, they're coming.
		And then the cartel gets scared.
		And that's how they're like, you know how bad the cartel is.
		Let me explain the oil industry.
		And I don't want to spoil it, but you need to see it.
		And then he's got that next.
		That should have went viral, too.
		Then there's another scene where he's basically like wind turbines will never offset the cost of the oil that was required to make it.
		Because you've got to produce the concrete, lubricate the machine.
		You've got to ship it, haul it, build the transmission lines for the wind.
		It takes so much oil to make.
		You'll never get that energy back.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Most television shows are tweets.
		His shows are threats.
		Our actual threads just explaining exactly what's going on.
		It's the same thing that they did in the sequel to Sicario, which is also not as bad as a lot of people pretended to be.
		But the whole point in that is that they get involved by trying to frame the cartels fighting each other and to get the U.S. government involved in the war on drugs, right?
		And that's a very interesting premise as well, but it's just not quite as good as the original film because it's more personal.
unidentified		Mary Kingston is Taylor's, right?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Mary Kingston, yeah.
unidentified		Same thing.
		I mean, you know, if you go through the first two episodes of that, you're stuck.
		You're like, oh my god.
		I mean, it went here, you know?
		I mean, and you got Hawkeye from Marvel.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Jeremy Renner.
unidentified		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Also, all of this stuff was done infinitely just as well back in the early 2000s with a show called The Wire, which everyone should go watch as well right now.
unidentified		You know, it took me a long time to watch The Wire.
		I never watched it while I was on TV. But one day I was like, okay, I'm getting sick of watching all of these other things.
		Let me just check it out.
		And after the first two, I was stuck.
		I was binge-watching the whole thing.
		Yeah.
		And I live in Baltimore.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, that actually has a similar scene at the opening, which I thought was extremely...
		It was just unbelievable, where McNulty is sitting there with one of the kids that's in this gang, right?
		And there's a dead body there, and he's talking about throwing dice with this kid, and how they let him come back week after week, even though he always tries to run off with the money.
		And he says, but you know he's going to try and steal it.
		Why do you let him come back?
		He goes, you have to.
		This is America, man.
		And the whole point of the show is that it talks about the war on drugs right as the war on terror had started and all the resources had been pulled away.
		And that show actually had the creator of David Simon...
		They were arrested by local police because it made the police and the government look bad.
		So they were actually continuously bothered by local law enforcement because they shined a light on them that was negative.
		But at the same time...
		Did not portray the drug trade as something to aspire to, but rather its own enterprise with its own problems and issues.
		And that type of writing is just used to be far more the norm back in the golden age of television.
		And we're just not there anymore.
unidentified		You were talking about the wokeism in Hollywood and with Sarah Silverman and nobody really wants to hear anymore and stuff.
		When you, like when Narcos, when Narcos was on for that first season, it's like, okay, I can see how that, you know, this is totally badass.
		And then the wokeism came in there in the second season when you thought cartels, those boys are really badasses, man.
		And then all of a sudden you have a homosexual connection.
		Yeah.
		We wanted a cartoon.
		What the hell?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		A show that did that fairly well.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		If you ever saw Power...
unidentified		You know what I'm saying?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You ever saw the show Power with Omari Hardwick?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And that's a very, very good show.
unidentified		It is a good show.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's got like nine spinoffs now, which I'm not...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen Powers?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The one about the...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Was it the superheroes that...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Charlton Copley, I think?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did not see that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The PlayStation Network TV show?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What was the one about the cleanup crew that always cleans up after the superheroes destroy the city?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Remember that one?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There was a show where it's literally just about the people who have to pick up the city after they destroy it in fights.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about this a little bit before the show, but I blame conservatives a lot for not promoting shows that actually are good and only ever complain about shows that are bad.
unidentified		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I referenced this show called The Order on Netflix, which only got two seasons before getting canceled.
		The second season villain is literally a Marxist-Communist professor at university.
		And I'm just like, how come every single conservative wasn't saying, like, watch this show?
		It's not the greatest show ever.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		People, they're not giving the chance.
		My timeline, literally nothing but stuff that I like.
		But none of it's recent.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think conservatives consume as much culture as the left does.
		And I think this is reflected in everything we see.
		Conservatives are more likely to be at work.
		Also, they're not watching TV all day.
unidentified		You know what?
		I challenge that because there are a lot of ones that are on my timeline because I watch the ID channel a lot.
		I mean, I'm fascinated with a whole lot of stuff that is going on in the heartland of America.
		But So many of them are like closet ID. They don't say it.
		They don't promote it.
		Just like you said, they don't talk about what's good.
		They just...
		We just don't do it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		One of the problems is also, if we're talking about social media, the whole point is to go out and complain about something.
		I tweeted something the other day.
		It was a response about the mob.
		People who like mob movies, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Emma Vigelin was tweeting about it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And my point was like, look, people like mob movies because it's a window into a culture that you're just never going to experience.
		But I spend most of my time tweeting about shows and movies that I like, and nobody looks at that stuff because nobody wants to hear about the stuff that you like.
		They want to hear about the stuff that you're mad about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I watch mob movies because I just wish I lived in those cultures.
		But it's romanticizing for sure.
		I'm just talking about a Bronx tale.
		You know what I mean?
		Like, so...
		It's far from perfect, but the biker scene I always reference, that is a good example of you treat people with respect, you get respect and kind.
		You come into someone's neighborhood to cause problems and attack people, and that community will throw you out.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That is the type of story that resonates with people.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		One of my favorite examples.
unidentified		It's a man thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's justice.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen Heat?
		With Robert De Niro.
		There's a scene during the bank heist.
unidentified		You've never seen it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You've never seen it?
		Well, that's your homework for the weekend.
		So there's a scene at the bank heist at the end where Robert De Niro's character, where Macaulay comes in and he's robbing the bank and he's talking to the people who he's holding hostage.
		He says, he goes, do not think about doing anything.
		Your money here is insured by the federal government.
		We're not here for your money.
		You're not going to lose a dime.
		That's the idea of the gentleman criminal.
		And people love that idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When Johnny Depp's Dillinger.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say public enemies, right?
		Like the gentleman criminal is the type of character that people, because you're never going to live in that world, and it still gives you like the idea of like, maybe I could do that.
		If I was like, I'm a good person, maybe I could do that.
		But they know that that's just not a world they're ever going to live in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dillinger would, I guess the rumor, I don't know if it's true, but he would destroy mortgage papers.
		And so a lot of people are like, he was like Robin Hood.
		And I'm like, nah, he just knew that he'd get the public on his side because they were crossing their fingers hoping he'd destroy their mortgage papers.
unidentified		Oh, and they protected him too.
		Where's he at?
		He's not here.
		Shut up, shut up.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I got my house for free.
		Or have you ever seen American Gangster?
		That's a huge part of Denzel Washington.
		And they talk about, what is it, Bumpy Johnson giving out turkeys at Thanksgiving.
		That was a big part of that, the allure of those types of stories.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People should watch Stander.
		I'm sure Serge knows all about Stander.
		Yeah, he does.
		He's nodding.
unidentified		He knows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Andre Stander.
		He was a police captain and then turned to a bank robber.
		So he's like their Dillinger.
		That movie with, what's his face?
		Who's that actor?
		Who played the Punisher?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		John Bernthal?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the first film like 20 years ago.
unidentified		From the Highlander?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That dude.
		No, of course.
		I get Max Headroom off air.
		I get Matt Frewer off air.
		But now I'm blanking here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was the guy?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What year?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		1997?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Punisher film.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What year?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		1997?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, like 2000-something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tom Jane.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Thomas Jane.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Okay, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Tom Jane plays Andre Stander, and that movie's amazing.
		And then you hear the story about this guy.
		Dude, it's amazing.
		So Stander, the Stander gang, they rob a bank.
		As they're leaving the bank with all the money they stole, they're listening to the radio.
		And on the radio, they have an interview and a report with the manager who says, fortunately, the bank missed the safe that was hidden behind a painting.
		So they slam the brakes, turn around and go back to the bank.
		The cops have left.
		They walk up, knock on the door.
		The guy opens.
		Sorry, we're closed.
		And he points the gun, remember me?
		And then they go and rob the safe that they missed.
		He broke into prison to break his friends out.
		And that's like, dude, the story's wild.
		I recommend it.
		It was a fun movie.
		It's from a while ago.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Those are the type of stories that resonate with people.
		And what Hollywood does now is they try to shoehorn ideas of what coastal elites like.
		And back in the day, the stories that were told were told by people that really, really loved literature.
		loved classic stories that they like to adapt you know in a modern way now what you have is people create things for the purpose of streaming rather than to create great art they're looking to create and sell something for a quick buck to netflix well back there in the day just like you said great stories yeah Today's stories, they're redoing those yesterday's stories with that woke-ism that we were just talking about earlier and make it into an eight-series part.
		Which is sad.
		Because people back in the day would have loved that.
		They would have loved the idea of being able to get long-form stories in the way that stories used to be told, but you don't get to keep that.
unidentified		We had them on Monday night movies, and then you had your little Thorn Birds, and then you had the different miniseries and stuff.
unidentified		I mean, just glorious, like, big old rollouts, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wonder if it's just...
		The glory days, the golden age is over.
		I mean, we had such...
		Okay, maybe I'm just crazy and maybe we romanticize the past, but there were a lot of movies that were weird that are classics, like Groundhog Day is a really great example.
		They don't make that kind of stuff anymore.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There's no money in it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, but that's a film that everybody knows.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I've seen it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They do Live, Die, Repeat.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Edge of Tomorrow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's do the same concept of making an action movie.
		I like that movie too.
		But look at Mission Impossible.
		I love those movies, but they are not Groundhog Day.
		If someone said you want to watch a movie and I had a choice between Mission Impossible and Groundhog Day, I'm watching Groundhog Day.
		I will watch that movie five times in a row.
unidentified		And hopefully they don't redo it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You will know it's over when they end up redoing Back to the Future.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Aren't they?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I believe the director said that that is off the table because it's not going to happen.
		But for the most part, what it is is that streaming has killed the mid-budget movie.
		Also, we don't have Tony Scott anymore, which also sucks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know why they can't do Back to the Future?
		Sorry to interrupt.
		Because if you went 30 years ago, it would be 1994 and it would be too similar.
		So, like, from 85 to 55 was kind of a big shift in culture.
		And...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And technology, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now it's like, certainly if it went to 94th, they could be like, wow, look, people are wearing flannels and they have holes in their jeans, but it would still be...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's still people wearing flannels.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, that's what I mean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like nothing changed.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Right now, all of the movies that would have that type of creativity, which used to go to the theaters, which never made their money back in the theaters.
		They would make their money on home video sales and DVDs and pay VOD like pay-per-view was back in the day.
		All of that now goes straight to streaming.
		And let's face it.
		When you go to a streaming service, you scroll past 10,000 things that you don't actually look at.
		And there's a movie, however, if you are looking for some hilarious nostalgia, I've not seen it yet, but I believe that there's an A24 movie that came out yesterday or today called Y2K, where it's the night of Y2K and it actually goes wrong and all of the appliances come to life and kill you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got a question for you.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's apparently bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's this trend in all of these indie films where they don't know what an ND filter is?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you noticed this?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		As in, like, the lighting-wise?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the lighting's all blown out all the time.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		CGI. Oh, no, no, no.
		See, it depends on what we're talking about.
		If it's indie films, that's just stylized, low budget, right?
		So they're giving them minimal budgets to do that?
unidentified		Well, ND filters aren't expensive.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But also, when we come to Marvel, if you ever wonder why everything looks like it was filmed at permanent dusk now, have you ever noticed that?
		Yeah.
		It hides bad CGI, but everything that is shot now, that CGI, have you ever been outside and you're driving home, it's too early to turn your lights on, but it's also kind of dark?
		Everything is filmed right when it's just too light to put your lights on, but too dark to see without them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People pointed out, remember District 9?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, how come the CGI on those aliens look so good, and it was because their exoskeletons were meant to look hard and plasticky?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Also, what year did it come out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was like 2000-something, wasn't it?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		So...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		2009?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Back then, they would actually go film on physical locations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They would actually...
		So there was a movie that came out last year.
		It was called The Creator.
		It was made by Gareth Edwards for like $80 million.
		He did it with like an entry-level pro camera.
		And it looks better than like 80% of the movies that come out right now and better than every Marvel movie that's come out in the last five years because he goes to physical locations and all of the space tech, everything is filmed in an actual physical place so the matting is easier to do in post.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can I just ask, how come we haven't gotten a sequel to District 9?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They're probably just trends.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that movie was good.
unidentified		Was it really good or was it just good?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I think they're making a third Pacific Rim now, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen it?
unidentified		Pacific Rim, I would watch over and over again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I would watch District 9. Alien ship comes to Earth, it's hovering over, what is it, like Johannesburg or something?
unidentified		And it's all like nasty garbage.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're—and so, like, these are civilian aliens with no expertise who have no idea to survive, so they're kept in a refugee camp, basically.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then Charlotte O'Copley's character finds a device, gets sprayed with it, starts turning him into one of the aliens, and then they end up leaving at the end because there was a specialist alien who was trying to get the ship back in order to rescue his people and leave the planet— We need a resolution to that story, man.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I like that movie.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Superheroes have eaten up those budgets for...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What it is is also it's IP, meaning that stuff that has name recognition is going to get made first now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, it's...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If they make another Transformers movie, I swear to God.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm so tired.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I will watch it and I will love every second of it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I gotta be honest.
unidentified		Transformers 1 was good.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I will watch anything Michael Davis.
unidentified		I sat there and I watched it with my daughter a couple weeks ago.
		She came home from college.
		She was like, just watch it with me.
		I didn't think it was going to be good.
		Transformers 1 is good.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I will watch Mission Impossible movies even if Tom Cruise is in a wheelchair the whole time.
		Those movies are fun.
		But they're not great masterpieces.
		It's chocolate cake.
		I know what I'm getting with it.
		I'll have a slice.
		It's fine.
		I don't eat chocolate cake, by the way.
		But okay, it's...
		I don't know.
		It's a nice serving of ahi tuna tartare.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know what I'm going to get.
		It tastes great.
		It's awesome.
		But it's not that magical moment.
		It's just another meal that I had.
		Actually, a better example is if it's like a lettuce-wrapped cheeseburger.
unidentified		He's got to be running in all of them.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I still think that Michael Bay...
		He will do that, right?
		Like up into his 80s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hope he does.
		That'd be amazing.
		I'm not even joking.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But Michael Bay, there's a reason why it works, right?
		It's because he's got the swelling music, tons of military porn all over set, right?
		Slow motion, 360 camera shots, and it's meant to be seen on the big screen.
		I will watch all of those.
		At least, okay, not all of them.
		I'll watch the first three Transformers movies anytime you put them on, even if they're bad.
unidentified		What's the one that he did with Ryan Reynolds, Michael Bay?
unidentified		It was on Netflix.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Six Underground.
unidentified		Let me tell you, that was Transformers without Transformers.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
unidentified		I mean, with that big magnet.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That was one of the biggest budgets ever given to a movie in the early days.
unidentified		And it was great, and they should have came out with another one.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it was very well received.
unidentified		I know, but I mean, all that action that was...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Just go watch The Rock.
		That's what I was telling people the other day.
		Go watch The Rock with Sean Connery.
unidentified		That's good too.
unidentified		That's good too.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I listed just the other day, just because I thought it was funny, I listed the cast to it, and all of them are successful.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's like this long, the amount of people in that movie.
unidentified		Did you hear about how The Rock was attached to Sean Connery's James Bond movie?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's the theory that it's another James Bond movie.
unidentified		Yeah, it's connected.
unidentified		How he disappeared for so long.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I love Ed Harris, Sean Connery, all of those people.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Somebody said that District 10 is coming, but the last story I see is from March of 2020 of this year, and it's like, maybe...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What year did the original come out?
		2009. I mean, there's the possibility that they could end up making another one.
		I don't think that that's an unreal...
		I mean, it's a long period of time, but it's not out of the question.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's been a long time.
		And I feel like it was still kind of a niche movie, right?
		It wasn't some big blockbuster.
		I would like to see it.
		But I also heard that it got its start because it was initially him attempting Halo stuff.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Is that the case?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone super chatted that that was originally supposed to be the Halo movie.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They're making 28 years later.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm down for that.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm just saying, if we're talking time periods between movies, 28 years later just got finished.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember the first time I watched 28 Days Later, and my friend was telling me to watch it, and they're like, yeah, but the zombies can run.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I was like, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Zombies don't run?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're like, yeah.
unidentified		But in this, they do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They do.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That's way scarier, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was scary about, like, I remember watching the original Nine of the Living Dead, and I'm like, what is scary about this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You just walk past them.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it's the same concept.
		You watch any horror movie, right?
		And Michael Myers is just walking, and have you ever seen the parody skits where they're running, and he's just walking, and he's still right behind you?
		You have no idea how that works.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a funny tweet where someone was like, what do mummies do?
		You know, like a werewolf will kill you or bite you, make a werewolf a vampire will drain your blood.
		Like, what do mummies do if they get you?
unidentified		That's true, that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The mummy's trying to get you, and then what?
unidentified		I mean, all I remember back when I was a little kid watching the mummy is like, ah, don't let him catch you.
unidentified		But you're right, he's like, why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do mummies do?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They just, well, I mean, like, with Brendan Fraser, he grabs you and then goes, and sucks your flesh into his body.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's scary.
unidentified		Now that's scary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If that's what mummies did, I would run from them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right now, I just genuinely don't know.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why I'm supposed to be scared of you, other than you're dusty and old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's funny.
		Skeletons aren't scary.
		They weigh very little and would fall apart with relative ease.
unidentified		And they shake, rattle, and roll a little bit.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The skeletons from Jason and the Argonauts were scary, but that was because they had swords.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		short films that just fix movies.
		And I was like, one that everybody always talks about doing that we should do is like, it's Indiana Jones.
		But when he gets, he gets this like, you know, the thing that kicks off his adventure in the Ark of the Covenant, he just says, I'll pass.
		And then it just jumps to the end scene as it exactly would have happened no matter what with the Nazis finding the Ark and then all dying.
		And then that's it.
		Like whether he does it or not, it's a three minute long movie.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's over 10 minutes.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever seen that scene in Scary Movie when he's running up the stairs after and she keeps throwing stuff down at him and finally hits him with a pee.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, yeah.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They're making another scary movie, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They shouldn't.
unidentified		Oh, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, scary movie was good, and then they kept making all of those movies, like epic movie and superhero movie, and it's like, just stop.
		But it made money, and the budgets were dirt, and they were like, look, people laugh at things they've seen before.
		Whether it's a joke or not, you need only be like...
		Spider-Man's upside down, and everyone laughs.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Comedies used to be the other way that you could make money on a small budget, but now it's pretty much just horror is the only genre that costs very little with strong return on investment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If I see one more movie where the description of the movie is a mother and her child must combat a mysterious force...
unidentified		I'm going to throw the remote at the TV. At the house they've moved into.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly!
		I'm on Amazon and I'm like, shut her, let's go.
		And it's like, a mother and her child move to a new home.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Can one of these people live in the city, please?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, they're all that.
		And then I saw the, you see that Mel Gibson movie?
		That came out, I think it was this year, where he's Old Man Carruthers.
		You haven't seen this one?
		Well, I'll watch anything Mel Gibson, because The Patriot is the greatest movie of all time.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And Lethal Weapon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Also great.
		And so I watched it, and the description was literally like, a kid must fight a mysterious force.
		And I'm like...
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They always do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And it was like...
		I give the movie a C-, but Mel Gibson's in it, so, you know, that's an A+. What's one movie that you would watch...
unidentified		That you could watch all weekend.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Patriot.
unidentified		The Patriot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen it?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will put that movie on repeat and just stare at it.
unidentified		I mean, I like...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will not blink.
unidentified		I like the villain in there, you know.
		You!
		How's the boy?
		Did he die?
		You know, I mean, I love that part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who played the villain?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was, um, what's his face?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Severus Snape.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, he's not Snape.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Alan Rickman.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, he's not Snape.
		I'm sorry.
		He's Malfoy.
		He's Lucius Malfoy.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't know that actor's name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe I'm forgetting this guy's name.
unidentified		He played in Armageddon, too.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was Jason Isaacs.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jason Isaacs.
		Oh, man.
		The OA. That was a terrible show.
unidentified		But mine...
		OA. Mine that...
		I go to sleep with this almost every night is Crimson Tide with Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman.
		I cannot get over how great...
		I mean, the change of command...
		I'm going back and forth a couple of times.
		Everybody's questioning this.
		It's like, wow, this is crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What movie do you guys think I have seen more than any other movie?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What would your guess be?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I wish I had time to think about this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think you're going to be able to guess, but I'm just curious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What movie do you think I have watched more than any other movie?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
unidentified		The notebook.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Dark Knight.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's a great movie.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not only is it a great movie, but when I lived in LA, I shared a studio apartment.
		How long ago was this?
		13 years ago?
		I shared a studio apartment with my friend, and so there was a closet that was six feet long and three feet wide, and it's a studio.
		So it's like, hey, I'm sleeping in there.
		And so it was like four feet wide.
		So I had my laptop.
		I had one DVD. The Dark Knight.
		The Dark Knight.
		And I like watching TV as I fall asleep.
		So I think I've seen The Dark Knight over a hundred times.
		Because every night I'd get home, I'd put The Dark Knight on and play it and then lay down and I would watch The Dark Knight every single night.
unidentified		That's what I do with Crimson Tide.
unidentified		I mean, there are times when I hear the music while I'm dreaming and I'm hearing certain military types and there I am in the military once again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
		I used to put on Adult Swim when I would fall asleep, and then I would always have dreams where I was hanging out with the Scooby gang, and we'd be solving mysteries.
		It'd be the weirdest dreams, but it's because Scooby-Doo's on!
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You ever try to put that back on now and recapture that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would do that too, but it would always be like C-Lab would be on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		C-Lab 2021. No, because I'm watching C-Lab and The Family Guy reruns and like...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Teen Hunger Force, whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Aqua Teen, but then what was the other one?
		Brack Show.
		But anyway, when you fall asleep, eventually it turns back into regular Cartoon Network.
		And so by the time I'm starting to wake up, I'm hearing Scooby-Doo.
		And so in my mind, I'm like running with Scoob and the gang.
		You know, I'm having this dream where we're like solving a mystery and everything.
		And then I wake up and Scooby-Doo's on and it's wild.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Running with Scoob and the gang.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Those are the best dreams I've ever experienced.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I've seen Batman Begins more than the Dark Knight.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I prefer Batman Begins.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've only seen it like two times.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've seen Dark Knight like over a hundred times.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		As far as like being a comic book movie, like the way the Narrows were designed in Batman Begins feels much more akin to an actual comic book film, whereas the Dark Knight is much more of a crime thriller.
		But both of them are very, very good.
		And I don't think that the Dark Knight Rises is as bad as people say.
		Just not as good as the other two.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		People say that it's bad?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was filmed during Occupy, so we were down there, and they, like, I forgot, it wasn't, I don't know if it was directly during Occupy, but I remember it was around that time, and the activists were asking the people making it, like, what's going on, what's it about, and they were all like, you guys are gonna love this movie.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Which is funny because...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's messed up because Bane is manipulating the popular sentiment to destroy and try and blow up the city.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, why would they like this?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, they wouldn't.
		I think they might.
		There's really great documentaries or video essays that have been done about the political philosophy of Christopher Nolan as it relates to The Dark Knight Rises.
		And he says that his favorite scene that he's ever shot is the airplane scene at the very beginning when Bane pulls them from one plane to the other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that was a cool scene.
unidentified		That was a cool scene.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I did really like the Nolan Batman films for things like that.
		That was cool.
		And in The Dark Knight, when he does the skyhook, that's awesome.
		And come on, when the Joker makes the pencil disappear, so...
unidentified		Gone!
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's...
		Apparently the line where he says, you think you can just steal from us and walk away?
		And he says, yeah.
		That was ad-libbed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't supposed to be there.
		If you look in the script, it's not in there.
		He just said it because he felt like it was in character.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude, so good.
unidentified		Boy, this one is like, let's not lose our head, you know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What does he say, blow or something like that?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Out of proportion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and he's got his thumb on the grenades.
		Yeah.
		Man, that was very well done.
		And the crazy thing is, anybody who is smart knows that he's the good guy.
		Joker is the good guy in that film.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Joker is the good guy, but it doesn't mean that Batman was the bad guy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, Batman was the bad guy.
		Have you guys seen the essays on this one?
		The video essays where people have broken this down?
		You've got a city that is so vile with crime that the League of Assassins are trying to just murder everybody and destroy it.
		And so the police can't be trusted.
		The system is bringing no justice.
		It's only when a violent, wealthy vigilante goes around beating the crap out of people with his bare hands does anything start to change but only results in escalation.
		The Joker gets rid of the mob and the vigilante.
		By the end of the Dark Knight, he's gotten rid of the corrupt, psychopathic DA that everyone thought was good but was actually a murderous lunatic.
		He's gotten rid of the dangerous vigilante and he's gotten rid of all of the mafia.
unidentified		All the gang.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		You could make the argument that he created the dangerous lunatic given the...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the point in these essay exposés was like, Harvey Dent appears to be a Boy Scout, but when put under pressure, quickly turns to villainy and murder.
		And the point was, should he sit in power for too long, he would have been exposed to that degree of pressure that the Joker put him under, and he would have become a corrupt DA. So the Joker's whole plan was...
		Basically, clean sweep.
		And he did what the League of Assassins could not do.
		And then Dark Knight Rises, Batman's retired, and the mob is gone.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Nobody ever explained those knee implants.
		The knee braces that just magically fix his knees?
		I want those.
		I was like, what is squeezing your knees really tight with metal to fix it?
unidentified		Destroy that wall.
		I don't know.
		God darn, man.
		Yeah, I wish I had that for my military need.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was funny how they made Catwoman a cat by having her goggles go up and it looked like ears.
		I'm like, ha ha.
		Very funny.
		I get it.
		All right, everybody.
		We're going to grab those super chats.
		So I hope you guys are super chatting about movies because that's apparently all we're talking about.
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		It's Friday.
		We're chilling.
		You know, life is good.
		It's December.
		Everybody's just counting down the days until we can get to Christmas.
		The best time of the year.
		The New Year's?
		Man.
		Let's go.
		All right.
		Polly Puree says, am I first?
		You are.
		You win!
		You can now call yourself doctor.
unidentified		That's the award.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The deplorable Mrs. Drake says, Anna Kasparian had an hour-long sit-down with Glenn Beck.
		That will be out tomorrow on YouTube.
		Should be interesting.
		Happy Friday night to all from Indiana.
		Indiana is very based.
		We like Indiana.
		Let's go.
		Kyle N says, would you allow someone to open a Timcast coffee shop in Texas?
		Indeed.
		More updates to come.
		Can't say much for now.
		But our mission and our plan is we'd love very much to have 10,000 Casper locations all over the planet.
		And I think we're doing well.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		We need a Casper energy drink.
		That's what I was telling Phil earlier.
		I was like, I can't drink coffee.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, so I mean, we've been discussing that.
		It's not so easy.
		Look.
		This is one of the challenges that we have here.
		If I was solely focused as a CEO on one thing, we'd have the biggest coffee shop chain.
		We'd have the biggest energy drink company.
		We work around protein bars.
		We just can't get these things off the ground because I don't have time to manage all of these projects and do these shows.
		But we do have some plans, and I think we can figure something out, so we'll get there.
		Let's go!
		Grofty says, Phil may not know me, but I know the buck, buck, buck.
		Chickens know that.
		Did you guys hear that shocking report about Pete Hegseth?
		That he only has 21 chickens.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Good grief.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His mom was on Fox News and she said that, you know, they have someone taking care of 21 chickens and I was aghast.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Those rookie numbers.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm supposed to trust him to be Secretary of Defense and he only has 21?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't even have a dance party.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bet he hasn't even seen Chicken City.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Unreal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm kidding.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		21 is actually a pretty base number.
unidentified		My co-host Jason Robinson talked about Chicken City a lot.
		He was like, oh my god.
		And he just loves all of y'all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chickens are awesome.
unidentified		But yeah, he was like, man, y'all, you need to see it.
unidentified		And you know, they got this compound and they got Chicken City.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		The chickens do live better than I do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you give a $5 super chat to Chicken City, it will dispense mealworms and they'll all come running.
		And then every time $100 comes in, a party starts.
		And then it sprays tons of mealworms and plays dance party music.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		It's like with us, but without the mealworms.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Well, that's actually where we got the idea for Pop Culture Crisis.
		So we had chickens and I was like, can we set something up with a live stream to where people can give money so that it feeds them?
		And then we were like, we can't do the actual food because they need to eat food all day.
		But we can do treats like mealworms.
		And so then Chris, my brother, built the system out.
		And then we were like, why don't we actually do that on a show?
		And so with Pop Culture Crisis, every time you give money, it shoots money in there.
		It shoots money guns.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There should be a separate livestream where they can watch the money getting cleaned up at the end.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Because you have to clean it up.
		Don't you have to reload it periodically, too?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Half my job is pushing button, pushing button, check stream, check stream.
		I'm doing this.
		I'm filling money.
		I'm doing all this stuff all at one time and trying to actually keep my focus on the conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is really cool.
		There are automatic...
		I don't even know how Chris built this, but there's automatic money guns at the Pop Culture Crisis set, and when you super chat a comment, it shoots fake $20 bills, right?
		Yes.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		I don't know.
		Maybe.
		That would be like five grand in 20s.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		There have been times where people...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are they hundreds?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		They're both.
		There's 20s and 100s.
		So when we have guests from outside the company, we have them sign $100 bills.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		But there have been times where people would come up, because back in the old studio, we were up in the top of the house, and there would be HVAC people that would come up there, and they'd see just stacks of money.
		And I'd be like, it's not real.
		We're not nuts.
		We're either nuts or we're the most like...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so someone had a stack of prop money where the first five bills on both sides are fake bills and the middle's all just notepad paper.
		You buy them in stacks and it looks like real money.
		It says a million dollars.
		Apparently, one of the cleaners found one and then wrote a note and put it on the counter being like, we found this.
		We wanted to make sure you guys knew where it was and we were like...
		It says like for Hollywood productions or something on it.
		But hey, we really respected those cleaners.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was very nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It would be funny if they stole it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		I was always wondering, did anybody ever just take any and try to use it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I bet they did.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we have the Alex Jones's right jar.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we originally put fake money in it because it's a joke, but then people started putting real money in it.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		And there's also a picture of blackface Trudeau in there as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There is, there is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go.
		What do we got here?
		We'll grab some super chats.
		I'm not your buddy guy, says the left and the west have gone evil.
		It's unfortunate but true.
		Does that mean every leftist is evil?
		No.
		As well, does it mean everyone on the right is good?
		No.
		However, this is a spiritual war.
		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that the left is pretty evil, generally.
		They kind of have inverted.
		The things that they look at as good are what generally are considered evil.
		They don't believe that children can be innocent.
		They don't believe that people that have committed crimes need to be punished.
		Or they don't believe that punishing crimes prevents more crimes.
		I mean, you can go down the whole gamut.
		Like...
		During the election, during the run of the election, Kamala Harris was advertising, hey, we'll save your pornography.
		Hey, you should lie to your spouse.
		Hey, we'll go ahead and make sure that you can kill your baby.
		Those were three major things that the Kamala Harris campaign was running on.
		I mean, if evil exists, I think that those three things count as evil.
unidentified		Yeah.
		The thing is, and this is growing up in a...
		My parents were civil rights activists back in the 60s and 70s.
		But in growing up, most of the people that I knew, I mean, I was a Democrat.
		And I didn't consider myself evil.
		I was just a Democrat.
		And for the church people that I went to church with, they were Democrats.
		The people that used to watch us as kids, babysitters, they were Democrats.
		We didn't see them as evil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't consider Democrats leftists.
unidentified		Okay, okay, okay.
unidentified		I got you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So Democrats are not leftists.
unidentified		You split.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Leftists are different than Democrats.
		Progressives and leftists are not the same thing as Democrats.
		You can be a liberal and be a Democrat.
		You can believe in the fundamental principles that make America America and be a Democrat.
		You can believe that the government should be doing things to help people that are in bad positions.
		Bad situations and stuff and not be a leftist.
		The leftists take advantage of the Democrats and the people that are concerned with the problems of oppressed people and people that are suffering, working class people.
		They take advantage of that to access power.
unidentified		Do you have that same split on the right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that the right is the same as the left, no.
		I think that for a long time the United States was considered a center-right country.
		And everyone outside of the United States would say everyone in the United States is on the right.
		Or almost everyone in the United States is on the right.
		And that's because things like property, if you think it's okay to own property, that is a right-leaning ideal.
		And if you think that owning property is a bad thing, that is a leftist idea.
		And so most Americans think it's okay to own your home, and it's okay to own property.
		And if you have a business, and this is different than having multinational corporations and stuff, but if you own a business, you are entitled to dispose of the profits from your business however you see fit.
		These are generally normal things that people on the right and people that are considered Republicans and Democrats have prosecuted.
		Basically for the entire time that the United States has been a country, up until only very recently, the vast, vast majority, 95% of America believe that.
		Now there is a stronger, there's a larger portion of leftists who think that owning property is immoral, right?
		Think that it's okay to kill CEOs of big companies because they are hurting people just by being CEOs of big companies.
		Think that it's okay to expropriate the property of people that have a lot of property because they think it's immoral to have a lot of property.
		So the leftists, in my estimation, are different than people that would be considered Democrats or on the right.
unidentified		For me, because I've been on both sides.
		I know both sides.
		I mean, I see evil on both sides for me.
		And where it comes to, even where, like when I left the Democrat Party in 2007, I used to wonder why Republicans wouldn't talk to Republicans.
		Communities, urban communities.
		Why?
		Because they won't listen to us.
		Well, that's bullshit.
		I mean, when I came over, I remember the people in Chicago was like, y'all need to come talk to us.
		We're ready for a change.
		Y'all need to come talk to us.
		GOP didn't want to, you know, the GOP didn't want to make that move.
		But then there are other things that I have seen along the years.
		I'm like, wow, this thing is, and it's not the voters.
		It's the stuff that's happening in D.C. When I went and served in the military, I'm like, I ain't going for the people in D.C. I'm doing it for the American people.
		For me, I wake up in the morning, I go to bed, and I don't like nobody in D.C. I don't like nobody.
		Fair enough.
		They all kiss my ass.
		I don't like none of them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you noticed that they all wear North Face too?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You notice that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't like DC at all.
unidentified		It's like you want to at least reach out and talk to people.
		I was at the RNC one time and I was talking to Rince Priebus when he was in charge and I was like, listen...
		Have you ever thought about having a family day?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Like at the convention?
unidentified		No, just in communities.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Have you ever thought about having a family day?
		Don't go in there just talking politics.
		Family.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what we're doing.
unidentified		You know?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know about our Saturday morning cartoons idea?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We want to do these coffee shops, the Casper coffee shops.
		Saturday mornings at like 6 or 7 a.m., we do a catered breakfast.
		Families come, and then the kids hang out.
		There's cartoons playing.
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like cartoons that we choose and are vetted to be not crazy.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I made it easy.
		I was like, Benke, we're going to be like...
		And then the idea is, in the morning, neighbors get to know each other.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You get to build community with families, and the kids get to make friends, and it builds that communal structure.
unidentified		That's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hope we'll get there one day.
		You know, it's just a lot of work.
		It's heavy lifting.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'm confident.
		We got big updates coming.
		We got big news.
unidentified		Sounds good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab some more Super Chats.
		We got Live Free or Die, says Anarcho-Tyranny, a.k.a.
		Partial Law.
		Hey, Phil, did you see that Jason won Guitarist of the Year in Nick Nocturnal's Metal Awards show today?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Jason's great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Law of Self-Defense says, can't believe Tim didn't call Law of Self-Defense for my take on this.
		Love you, Tim.
		We should have!
		But we don't do calls.
		We should just have you come down.
		Maybe we should figure something out.
		Let me look who's on the roster for next week.
		Yeah, I don't know.
		Maybe we should figure something out so we can have you come in opine on what's currently going on.
		This would be interesting.
unidentified		We'll talk to Bookin about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go!
		Jacob Hawley says, Reddit has gone absolutely nuts.
		Star Trek subreddits are even celebrating the CEO's ending.
		I called it out and reported it to the site admin.
		I was immediately banned.
		And the response I got was one word, good.
		Absolutely sick.
		Dude, this is crazy stuff.
		And what I'm saying is...
		I'm hoping that this shift that we've seen with Trump and everything is strong enough to suppress these effing psychopaths.
		Because my fear is it is pervasive how insane they were.
		And I'm hoping that we just, you know, put a stop in it and we now have to start reversing it.
		My view is I'm optimistic we're heading in the right direction, but we are far from done.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need a culture that says we're not going to tolerate this.
		They keep saying, we better be worried about cancel culture on the right.
		And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
		Cancel culture on the left was your dad swore in the 80s, so we're firing you from your job.
		That literally happened.
		A racer lost a sponsor because his dad said a racial slur in the 80s.
		That's insane.
		Yeah, cancel culture is...
		We know the joke you said in 2010 was acceptable then, but you're fired now.
		Cancel culture is not far leftists advocating for and calling for death and engaging in terrorism and us being like, you shouldn't have a job at this company.
		So I'm okay if these people are advocating for death and murder and terrorism for us to be like, you are going to be canceled for that.
		I think that's fine.
unidentified		I always look at it as Pandora's box, too.
		I mean, the lid has to be closed.
		For all the stuff that you were just talking about, we got to close that lid.
		We got to close the door.
		And then we got to deal with what we have.
		You know, we hear so many times, we need to go back.
		Never going to go back.
		Never going to go back.
		Because the apple has been bitten.
		We have seen where we are right now.
		We have to adapt.
		Military-wise, we have to adapt now.
		We have to straighten out this.
		But it's never going to go back because of all the stuff that has come out.
		That's what I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Grofty says, Phil needs some buck buck buck in his life.
		Brought to you by Grofty.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, still, how many chickens do you have?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't have any more chickens.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I had chickens until one of my tenants burnt the chicken coop down.
unidentified		Whoa.
		Dang.
		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so your chickens were left homeless?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, they probably burnt alive.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And did you eat them?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		You know what?
		There was a Netflix show about a group of chicken owners.
		Mm-hmm.
		That they were making a whole lot of money with their chicken farms or whatnot.
		But then there was somebody in that community, while they were asleep or whatnot, they were going around and turning up the temperature in the...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To kill the chickens?
unidentified		To kill the chickens, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a capital.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, this was because the guy didn't clean the place properly, and there was a short in the cable to keep the water heater.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was like February or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Chickens are chill, man.
		They walk around, they poop where they stand, and they make funny noises.
		And there's this great meme, it's a 4chan post, where a guy says he was basically bored and depressed, and then one day his neighbors bought chickens.
		They're not supposed to own chickens.
		But he didn't mind so much.
		And then he said, comes home from work and he sees him walking around making funny sounds and he chuckles.
		Now he wakes up in the morning and he watches and he smiles and all of a sudden he's feeling better.
		And I'm like, I'm telling you, I firmly believe that if someone is looking at chickens but still claims to be depressed, they are lying for attention.
		Because I don't know how you look at those things and you don't laugh at them.
		They're so dumb and silly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They are dumb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know, but there's a reason why humans like chickens.
unidentified		They're good though!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know!
		Not only are their bodies the most delicious meat, but they produce eggs from their butts.
		And then you cook them like, chickens are great!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They're dumb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're very dumb.
		But you know, we selected for them.
		Trivia for you guys.
		Chickens were not domesticated for eggs.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, humans did not domesticate chickens for their eggs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were domesticated for cockfighting.
unidentified		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Asian guinea fowl, I think it was called.
		And so they saw the roosters basically would fight when you put them together, and they were like, hey, this is funny.
		But then what happens is when people started trading them around laughing at the roosters fighting each other and having cockfights, when Europe realized...
		Hey, these birds lay an egg every single day.
		Because it used to be like, hey, I found some eggs.
		Good fortune.
		We can eat them.
		With chickens, you get a bunch of them.
		You have eggs every day.
		They were like, this is incredible.
		And then chickens became a very important animal because they give you food every day.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And chickens are based.
		Let's go!
		All right.
		Sudermouse says, any chance you guys are getting a blockchain crypto expert on soon?
		Trump picked a pro-crypto person to head the SEC so the industry may take off soon.
		Charles Hoskinson is who I'd recommend.
		Love the show, everyone.
		We have Max and Stacey on periodically, and they were supposed to come on a couple months ago, but something ended up happening.
		And they're very busy down in El Salvador, but we're good friends and we're big fans.
		So it would be great to have them on sometime.
		I'm going to say this.
		Apparently, the rumor is right now that Donald Trump just bought, like, what, like $5 million worth of Ethereum?
		And already owns apparently millions of dollars of Ethereum more.
		Now, I don't know if that's true, and I ain't going to give anybody advice on finance or anything like that, but I would just estimate, I would assume, if Donald Trump is buying Ethereum, and he's going to be president, and he appointed a crypto czar, I feel like they're going to want Ethereum to increase in value in some capacity, or Trump expects it to, and that's why he's buying it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean...
unidentified		Somebody told him something?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His crypto guy said, Trump, when you get in, we're going to...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		To the moon.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just the fact that he's a pro-crypto, you know, is going to have a pro-crypto administration is going to do great things for the whole fintech.
unidentified		And he wasn't on board at first, wasn't he?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he was ever anti.
		But, oh, actually, yeah, I think early in the days he was saying the dollar's better, we don't want it, but now he's turned around and, you know, he's good.
		If he launches a Bitcoin reserve for the United States, which is very smart and should be done, Bitcoin goes up to, what, half a million?
		Some ridiculous number?
		Because the United States Bitcoin Reserve is not going to be a couple hundred million dollars.
		It's going to be probably billions.
		I don't know.
		What's the gold reserve for the United States?
		Probably zero, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Nothing anymore.
unidentified		They're guarding nothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		8,134 metric tons.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Yo, that is nuts, really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's convert that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		8,000 tons is a ton at $2,700 today, I believe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's $523 billion in gold reserves.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, so could you imagine if he said, we're going to put $250 billion, half of our gold reserves, into Bitcoin?
		That's a massive movement.
		The current price cap, market cap of Bitcoin is like $2 trillion.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, it's not like the government can't just print up the money to buy it, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'll do something like that.
		But if he wants to launch a reserve and he goes in that direction, he could end up pumping Bitcoin by 20% instantly.
		So not $500,000, but it could jump to $120,000 as soon as he does it.
		That's wild.
unidentified		Did you hear that Putin was behind Bitcoin?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He probably is.
		Yeah.
		It's amazing.
		It's really funny, too, because remember that story where Max Kaiser offered Alex Jones 10,000 Bitcoin, and Alex was like, I don't know what you're talking about, Max.
		It's a true story.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he was trying to give him 10,000 Bitcoin.
unidentified		Just give it to him?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But back then it wasn't worth that much, so Alex was like, Max, I don't know what you're talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I appreciate it, whatever, and then just never followed him up on it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, they'd have taken it from them anyways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but in all seriousness, you always got to mention, anybody who had a thousand Bitcoin ten years ago would have sold it seven years ago.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The moment it jumped to $10,000, they'd be like, I'm selling this.
unidentified		Yeah.
		When it took that huge dip down to 30 from 60...
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now it's at $100?
unidentified		Yeah, it's over $100.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it went to $20 and then it got down to $3,000.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the wave.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So now I would imagine, I don't know where it's going to top out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's going to stabilize.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You don't know what's going to happen on this wave.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we're going to start seeing stable growth, and it's going to turn into something akin to the stocks where you see a 5% growth each year or something like this.
		Considering the halvings that happen, the halvings where it becomes harder and harder to produce Bitcoin, that's going to usually cause a spike.
		I don't know.
		I'm not an economist.
		I don't know.
		But I do kind of feel like that we're moving past the point of collapsibility in Bitcoin.
		I think...
		Now that's over 100,000...
		With Trump talking about it, the U.S. government getting involved, all these other governments getting involved, we're getting to the point where people are not going to want to offload it so dramatically, and it's going to be treated much more as a ubiquitous asset and a hard commodity of some sort, in which case the growth will be stable.
		I guess the bad news for most people is you may have missed the train.
		I don't see a reality where you get these massive gains.
		It's kind of crazy.
		Look, I bought Bitcoin 10 years ago or whatever.
		It was around $1,000 or so.
		I bought a bunch of it.
		I don't know if we're going to see gains like that possible.
		I don't know.
		It's tough.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not going to be like yours.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but maybe I could be wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think in 10 years, it could be a million dollars.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if it goes to a million, it's not the same as yours.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, and so you don't need to spend $100,000 right now on a Bitcoin, but that's still only a 10x return.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So for me, I'm looking at like a 73x return 10 years ago.
		As it gets bigger and bigger, people can still buy smaller fractions of Bitcoin.
		I just think we're getting to a stability period where it's going to be ubiquitous and it's going to find its equilibrium.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		What if you're just putting a little bit in each paycheck to it, you know, dollar cost averaging?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm gonna say this, dude.
		If I could go back in time, I wouldn't bring the lottery numbers with me.
		I would just have my direct deposit be split between Bitcoin and dollars.
		It's funny because a couple of years ago we were talking about, should we give people a portion of their paychecks in Bitcoin?
		That sounds like a good idea.
		Yeah, let's look into it.
		And then we never did.
		And I know everybody who works here would have wished we did.
		Because they'd be looking at a 3x return on whatever they got paid.
unidentified		Odell Beckham did his in Bitcoin a couple of years ago.
		And now everybody's talking about, now he looks smart.
		Or where it is right now for...
		For, um, versus what?
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		How many years ago?
unidentified		It's like, uh, three, three, like three or four years ago.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		When did that have been like right after, like it hit 15, like when Russia invaded Ukraine and it dipped really far?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember when it was at 70 cents.
		Anyway, guys, smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know, become a member over at TimCast.com if you want to support our work.
		Thank y'all so much for hanging out.
		It is Friday, and it's Twitter payday, by the way.
		Everybody's posting their Twitter earnings.
		I love that everyone does that.
		For those that are wondering, I got about $4,000 from Twitter, and I'm super excited.
		It's amazing that I can post my shenanigans and make money doing it.
		I absolutely love it.
		So you can follow me on X. Did I say Twitter?
		You can follow me on x at TimCast.
		You can follow me on Instagram at TimCast.
		Wayne, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		Yeah, I got $36.
		So I try not to spin it in one place.
		Y'all can follow me at TheDupreeReport.
		I had to change from Wayne Dupree Show to TheDupreeReport because I thought it might change a couple things, but...
		I'm still behind the wall of being seen, so I do a podcast.
		My co-host, Jason, again, he loves the show.
		He's there tonight watching it, but we do it Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday between 12 and 1. And we've been doing it for about 12, 13 years.
		We've seen a lot.
		We've been a lot.
		But we always come back with trying to be honest with everything that we see.
		But y'all are great.
		Just watching you on video and then just being here.
		Live and stuff like that.
		I mean, just chatting up with the guys.
		No agenda is great.
		Y'all got a solid place here.
		Man, I pray nothing but success for y'all in the future.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cheers, man.
brett dasovic ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Cheers.
		Guys, if you want to follow me, I am on Instagram and on Twix, at Brett Dasvick, on both of those platforms.
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		Come and join us.
		It's a lot of fun.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I am PhilThatRemainsOnX.
		You can subscribe to me there.
		I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
		I have some big news.
		The release date for our upcoming album has finally been made public.
		The album is called Anti-Fragile.
		The release date is January 31st, 2025. Get your pre-orders now.
		The link to the pre-orders is on my X page.
		It's the pinned tweet.
		The band is all that remains.
		You can follow us on YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, and Deezer.
		If you want to get a taste of what's coming on the new record, you can go check out our videos for Forever Cold, Let You Go, No Tomorrow and Divine on all of those platforms.
		And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody, we are back.
		We're going to be back on Monday, of course.
		We have an awesome week coming up, so we're really excited.
		Hope to see you there.

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