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Dec. 6, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Leftist Journo THREATS Spark PANIC After UnitedHealth ASSASSINATION w/Amber Duke | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Interestingly, the exact criticism that she posted of the exact company she was targeting has now backtracked following the assassination of the CEO of UnitedHealth.
		So to put it simply...
		Thank you.
		a book about how insurance companies are screwing people over.
		Taylor Lorenz then posted on social media how she and many others want more of this, then posted an explanation for why they did, and then posted an image and the name of the CEO of Blue Cross.
		And now, surprise, surprise, the very policy that was being critiqued has been reversed.
		It's kind of a shocking revelation, to say the least.
		Leftists are engaging in what I would describe as terrorism on the internet after a guy was murdered, and they're celebrating it, and it seems like these companies are very, very terrified.
		So we'll talk about that, plus there's just a lot of stuff going on.
		We've got a lot of stories.
		I know, guys, you're going to cringe, but Hawk Tua is being accused of a pump-and-dump securities fraud scheme type deal.
		We briefly talked about it yesterday, but it's erupting now with mainstream coverage and law firms advertising to people who have lost their money in this scheme.
		So we'll talk about that.
		And generally, this assassination story is getting crazy because it does look like it might be ideologically motivated.
		And the police have released an image of someone they see is a person of interest, not the suspect.
		And everybody just immediately assumed that person of interest meant suspect.
		I imagine there's going to be a lot of lawsuits and people are going to get sued by this person for a lot of money.
		But we'll talk about all that.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Amber Duke.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Hi, thanks for having me back.
		I'm Amber Duke.
		I'm the Washington editor for The Spectator and the author of The Snowflakes Revolt, How Woke Millennials Hijacked American Media.
		I'm also a co-host of The Hills Rising, as well as Free Media at Reason TV. Right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for hanging out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Shane's here.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
		I love The Spectator.
		I am Shane Cashman.
		I'm the host of Inverted World Live every Sunday at 6 o'clock.
		This Sunday, I have Joe Allen from The War Room to come on to talk about the incoming cyborg apocalypse.
		And I also have a rancher who has experienced cow mutilations calling in.
		So find us there Sunday at 6 o'clock.
		What's up, Phil?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cyborgs, huh?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're coming.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're here already, but more of them are on the way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Like robots and stuff like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cyborgs are different than robots.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon's making androids.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Elon is one, but yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cyborgs are a mix of people and...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like a humanoid.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cybernetic organism.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Elon would say we actually are already cyborgs because of our technology.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's possible, it's possible.
		I am Phil Labonte, the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
		I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary, so let's talk about news stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's the big story from the Daily Mail.
		Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield makes major U-turn following the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
		All right, there's a lot to break down to understand the severity of this story.
		So as you all know, the other day, early in the morning, we saw the CEO of the largest health insurer in the country get gunned down.
		635, I think it was.
		And many people are saying it looks like it might have been a pro.
		New information has come out.
		That a cryptic message was scrolled onto the casings of one of the rounds.
		In the video, you can see the guy is firing and then cycling the weapon and ejecting live rounds.
		And it does appear.
		Now, I've watched a couple more of these expert gun guy videos.
		They said, no, it looks like it's malfunctioning.
		I believe it was one of the live rounds had a phrase scrawled on it and it said depose, deny, defend, which is similar to delay, deny, defend, the name of a book about how insurance companies are screwing people over.
		So it certainly seems like this is leaning more towards the ideological motivation.
		That being said, if this was just a hit, they'd want it to look like it was politically motivated to throw the scent off their trail.
		Now, what does that have to do with Blue Cross backtracking?
		This goes to Taylor Lorenz, a former Washington Post reporter.
		I mean, this is the corporate press here.
		She doesn't work there anymore.
		And she made a series of posts on social media, one in which she referenced Blue Cross specifically.
		This post said Blue Cross Blue Shield in Connecticut, New York and Missouri has declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia for the full length of some surgeries.
		If the procedure goes over a certain time, anesthesia will not be covered.
		And she responded that, I'm not going to read her quote, but she said that's why she and everyone else, she said, we want these executives, if you know what I mean.
		So she literally stated it.
		She then went on.
		I don't know if they actually have the full post.
		She then went on to actually post the image of the CEO of Blue Cross over another story asserting the same thing.
		That is to say it looks like what what could only look.
		These are veiled terroristic threats, to put it simply.
		And it worked.
		So I guess, wow, that's shocking and terrifying.
		The Daily Mail says Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield has reversed a policy change that would have seen them tie payments in some states the length of a time a patient went under anesthesia.
		The insurance company was one of the largest health insurance companies in the country backtracked on the move following widespread outcry.
		Or perhaps it was Taylor Lorenz saying that she wanted these people to die, making a long post about how many people want them to die, and then posting the image of the woman for everyone to see, while scores of leftists across social media are saying more, more, more.
		Maybe it's just terrorism.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely terrorism.
		It sets a horrible, horrible precedent.
		Obviously, I get it.
		If people are concerned for their safety, that makes perfect sense.
		But there are a lot of security companies out there.
		There's a lot of people that are in the business of protecting people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was talking about this earlier.
		It doesn't matter.
		Security companies don't matter, right?
		So the issue with what they're doing with these threats, I'll explain it very simply.
		There was a security incident with me in Nashville.
		We were hanging out with John Rich on the show.
		I said, hey, let's go to your honky-tonk and let's play a show.
		And he said, let's do it.
		And then we announced, like, it's going to be a big show.
		John Rich, country music star.
		I'll be there.
		I play music, too.
		And someone showed up, pretending to be security, asking about weird information.
		Whole thing got shut down.
		I said, screw these people.
		They're not going to scare me.
		I'm not going to be threatened out of doing a show.
		And I was told, Tim, there are children walking down the street.
		If a crazy person shows up with a weapon and there's a crossfire, these kids could get hurt.
		We can't do it.
		You cannot do this.
		So when these people put out these threats to these CEOs, it's not so simple to just say the CEOs can get security because that CEO means they can't go out to a picnic with their kids at the park.
		They can't go on a boat ride.
		They can't go on a cruise because one crazy person, Like, this guy targeting the CEO, it was early in the morning, but what, this is New York, what if there are crowds?
		So they can have all security in the world and someone can show up and just unload into a crowd and then innocent people get hurt.
		The threats from these far leftists cannot be tolerated.
		I think Taylor Lorenz, let me ask you guys, I mean, do you think Taylor Lorenz should face some kind of criminal or civil penalty for doing this?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		And I think it's insane that she worked at both the Washington Post and the New York Times before that and was heralded as basically the go-to reporter for internet trends for at least five or six years.
		She, remember, was the person who put Kellyanne Conway's daughter into the spotlight and used a child to advance her liberal activism.
		And now she has tucked tail away from the corporate media and Blame them, even though they're the ones who gave her a platform for, I guess, everything that's going wrong in politics.
		But it's absolutely disgusting.
		And we have seen the consequences of this type of rhetoric with what happened to Trump, right?
		I mean, it's a perfect analogy with the Butler rally, which you're talking about, Tim, because there was someone who died in the crowd because of that shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania.
		And there were other people there who were completely innocent, who had nothing to do with the president, who were injured.
		So, these types of threats, this type of behavior, is not just relegated to the person that they want to target in their crosshairs, and it's the exact same type of connection that they make too, Right.
		It's well, this person is somehow directly responsible for my life being crap.
		And so I have to kill them in order to affect change rather than going through the normal democratic process.
		Or in this case, if you're talking about corporations, boycotting or picketing or protesting or literally anything short of being physically violent.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I like that she exposes herself as being this bloodthirsty.
		I like seeing exactly how she feels because this is, to me, an extension of the summer of violence where their preferred language is violence, and that's how they want to affect policy.
		I think it's horrible and despicable.
		I think she's a gross human being.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's funny.
		I bet Washington Post—where did she work?
		Did she work at The Atlantic?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I think that's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you work at New York Times?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It was Atlantic, then New York Times, then Washington Post, I believe.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		All the greatest ones.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		She's been everywhere, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I bet they regret hiring her.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
		I don't know.
		I think they like these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, like the story at Washington Post was that the veteran journalists were freaking out that they hired some millennial e-writer.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Activist.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		If she's even a millennial.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		We don't know her age.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		True, that's why she wears an mask.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Allegedly 50 years old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here's a tweet from Jarvis Best on X who said, I love Taylor Lorenz so much because she spends half her time wishing death on her enemies and the other half complaining about online bullying.
unidentified		So true.
unidentified		Wow.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's true.
		It's typical of the left, though.
		I mean, you hear, like you referenced, the Summer of Love, the idea that by any means necessary, which Tim's talked about, that's an actual organization, you know, by any means necessary.
		The idea that you have to respect a variety of tactics, I think is what they say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Diversity of tactics.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Diversity of tactics, yeah.
		These are all things that are typical of the left.
		Violence is not actually something that comes from the right frequently, though it does happen.
		It's usually leftist violence.
		It's usually lower grade violence than right-leaning violence.
		Right-leaning violence is more about trying to actually...
		Cause damage, whereas leftist violence is frequently just trying to scare people and intimidate people, which they've effectively done.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		To corporations, to politicians, through the summer of love.
		And then to connect that to what Tim's saying about collateral damage, look at the no-go zones that they were taking over.
		You know, kids were losing their lives.
		They were getting gunned down in these spots.
		Random people drove through and they were getting shot at.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is tough for me because Taylor Lorenz didn't explicitly state on her page, hey, I want something to happen to this person.
		And so I think the interpretation is clear.
		And the question is, do we tolerate Taylor Lorenz saying, hey, she has like this long explanation about why these executives are bad and everyone agrees.
		She then says she wants them dead and then she posts a picture of another CEO. I'm like, I don't know, I feel like she didn't explicitly state something that should happen, and she's dancing on the line.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We can't set the precedent, I think, of...
		Arresting her.
		Or arresting her, you know?
		I think that's tough.
		It is tough because it's gruesome.
		It's ghoulish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we have to consider the context around a CEO just got assassinated and then she did this and that is where we say, hey, yeah, she is advocating for this.
		She wants it to happen.
		I mean, look, when you literally say we want more of this and then post a photo, I think that's fair to argue that's...
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's a threat to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a threat.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		When you say we want more of this, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then I have to say, like...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If, man, I guess.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Blue Cross feels the same way.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They were like, this is a threat.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We're going to reverse our policy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're saying because of an outcry, but imagine you're the CEO and you're like, I mean, it was what just happened.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It was a crap policy to start, to be fair.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, these places need some major change.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But hold on.
		I mean, this is the challenge I have with it.
		We don't even know what the policy is other than some leftist said, here's my thoughts on it, and then advocated for murder.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to bring this up because I'm sort of reactionary.
		So when I hear everyone saying the same thing directionally about a policy, I'm like, okay, well, let's find out what the policy actually is.
		And I was looking at some community notes on X related to this.
		Shout out to community notes, by the way.
		Amazing feature.
		But people were explaining that they were actually updating their standards for anesthesiology claims to the same standards that are employed by the CMS through Medicare and Medicaid.
		So they were actually going by the government's timelines for how long surgeries are supposed to last, and there's a cap on it for what Medicare and Medicaid will pay out based on those time limits.
		Because of the level of insurance fraud that apparently they were facing from anesthesiologists, which is apparently pretty common, that's why they changed the policy.
		Far be it from me to defend a giant insurance company, but it seems like we weren't really being told all of the details about what exactly they were doing and why.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And Taylor's just celebrating the death.
		There's so many reasons that UnitedHealth has issues.
		And we don't even know why he was killed, right?
		Because he's got personal things going on, estranged from the wife.
		He's estranged from his wife?
		Yeah.
		Insider trading.
		He sold off, what was it, like 31% of his shares 11 days before the investigation went public.
		Made $15 million on it.
		So that's all weird.
		And then, but they're also in trouble a year or two ago for using AI that had a 90% error rate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		R.S. reported that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There's a million different things going on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		90% error rate and it delayed, denied.
		Right, right, right.
		Well, let's jump to this next story.
		Well, I will briefly mention before we move on.
		Taylor Lorenz defended her...
		Okay, let's just...
		We'll talk about this because we have to.
		Okay, this is from Mediaite.
		Taylor Lorenz defends her celebration of Brian Thompson's murder saying it's natural.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's natural if you're a demon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me read.
		These people are mind-blowingly evil and stupid.
		Former New York Times and Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz defended her celebration of the assassination of Brian Thompson.
		On Wednesday in the hours immediately following Thompson being shot, Lorenz expressed her dismay with health industry saying, and people wonder why we want these executives, if you know what I mean.
		I'm not going to read her full statement.
		She wanted to share celebratory graphics that she said were being spammed in her group chats.
		It's a picture of a star smiling, and it says CEO down.
		And she's like, that's just what my group chat's sharing.
		What group chat are you in, dude?
		Anyway, unsurprisingly, her joy over the extinguishment of Thompson's life drew criticism.
		After providing some examples of others dancing on Thompson's grave while only mentioning one of her many enthusiastic posts, she addressed the backlash, saying, quote, naturally, the mainstream media began pearl clutching in outrage after I posted a quote tweet about insurance companies no longer paying for certain anesthesia with the phrase.
		And people wonder why we want these executives, you know, and then she goes into mention not being alive anymore.
		Legacy media outlets, including Fox News, pounced and wrote a slew of articles about my calls for violence.
		Let me be super clear.
		My post uses a collective we and is saying the public's explaining the public sentiment.
		It is not me personally saying I want these executives dead.
		And I'm not going to read her quote.
		I am explaining that thousands of Americans, myself included, are fed up with our barbaric health care system and the people at the top who rake in millions while inflicting pain, suffering and the death on millions of innocent people.
		So basically, she said...
		Oh, I can't believe they're mad at me.
		I wasn't saying I want it to happen.
		I'm saying I, as well as other people, want it to happen.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		She was speaking for all of us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not for me.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Taylor.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Definitely not for me.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Before we move on, there's one thing that I want to point out, though.
		The problems that people face with our health care system go way beyond insurance.
		There's no reason for you to need to have insurance just to go see your regular doctor for a checkup.
		Most of the time, most people should be able to afford that.
		Like, it's not necessary for things to cost as much as they do.
		And if it wasn't for the fact that insurance and health care is tied to employment, you need insurance for literally anything that you do.
		If all these barriers to entry were not, didn't exist, health care in the U.S. would be significantly cheaper.
		So it's easy to point at the big company and say it's their fault, but it's not actually, it's not exclusively the big company's.
		The big government in and of itself is directly responsible for a lot of the policies that doctors have to follow that make it necessary to have the big companies and stuff involved in everyday healthcare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the problems I take with the far left is that Absolutely.
		Most companies, of course, have revolving door lobbyists who want to get jobs in the government and then get jobs these companies.
		But it is the angry left saying more government regulations creating the system that they then complain about and then use to justify death.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		To that point, back in the 90s, IBM had zero lobbyists and they were proud of that.
		They talked about it all the time.
		We don't have anyone in D.C. because they did have the opinion that we don't need to go to the government until the government came after them and said, we're going to sue you as a monopoly.
		And then they're like...
		Well, what are we going to do if we're a successful business?
		We're just doing business.
		We make computers.
		It's not like people don't have the option to go somewhere else because IBM in the 90s isn't IBM today.
		Bill Gates was rich, but he wasn't as powerful and rich as he is today.
		And so the only option they had was to get lobbyists, to hire lobbyists, so that way the government wouldn't come after them.
		So...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I was looking at old videos from a few years ago about UnitedHealth and their issues, and people were referring to them as an alternate government because of how big they've become.
		I think that's really interesting.
		They have more money than J.P. Morgan.
		It's a huge thing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's true, but at the same time, I heard today that their margin is something like 2%.
unidentified		So granted, the dude made— Which is why they have AI cutting people so they can make money.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The guy that got killed made $10 million a year, and it's an exorbitant amount of money.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But because of the margin they work on, again, 2%, that's spending a lot of money to make the money they do.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And for CEOs of a company that big with that much of revenue, $10 million is not that exorbitant, actually.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		If you compare it to other companies of similar size.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're never going to tell a leftist that that's broke.
unidentified		You're never going to tell them that and they're going to say, OK, they blame everybody else for their problems.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And this is completely unsurprising.
		I mean, Taylor Lorenz and her ilk are the same kind of people who basically wish death on people who didn't get vaccinated during COVID and said that it's their fault that she's getting sick and she has to raw dog the air to this day.
		It is embarrassing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, and it's funny that she's kind of getting the brunt of this story, but she is one of the most prominent individuals who has directly engaged in what I would call veiled terrorism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They veiled because she didn't literally say go do it, but we all kind of got the gist of what she was saying, right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Or if you're dealing with people that are on the edge of society, maybe they have borderline mental illness or something like that, and you're saying these things, they're going to pick up what you're putting down.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And that's who their base is.
		If you look at studies of white liberals, it's something like two-thirds of them have been diagnosed with a mental illness.
		That's white liberals.
		compared to white conservatives, it's something like 20 to 25 percent.
		So they literally are speaking to a collective group of mentally ill people who would be more predisposed to engaging in this kind of behavior.
unidentified		Yep.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're hopped up on SSRIs, all types of good stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, one of the things that really irks me about a lot of these people, well, the left in general.
		The organizers, the activists, people I've met, they are not stupid people.
		They know how finance works.
		They know how much money takes to run a business.
		They're intelligent.
		They're nihilistic.
		During Occupy Wall Street, they explained it outright to me.
		They understand everything that's going on.
		They just don't think anything matters.
		So why should they care about you or your life?
		This is like the Hillary Clinton mentality.
		I'm smart.
		You're dumb.
		I should just make you do things for me.
		And so it results in really stupid people not knowing how money works.
		And they say things like, the CEO of this major, this Fortune 500 company got paid $12 million last year, and the workers are only getting $15 an hour.
		And then I'm like, all right, let's stop.
		How many employees does that company have?
		They'll be like, I don't know, 40,000?
		Alright, let's divide 12 million by 40,000.
		How much money do you want to give to the employees?
		Now, I'm not saying it's good if CEOs are ripping off the company and doing bad things, selling stocks before investigations or whatever would be happening, but it's like, you're not talking about solutions, you're just saying, I'm mad.
		And then when we say, here's a solution, you burn the solution and say, I don't want a solution, I want to be mad.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because the solution that they actually want is, I want the world, I want a communist utopia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, but think about what that is, right?
		The people who want communist utopia are not saying they want a communist utopia.
		They're saying, I don't want to do any work, and I want to be able to live and just chill.
		That's really what they're saying.
		So we had a meeting today with Ian and a couple of video producers, and we're talking about how do we make movies and shows, and what are the cultural moves we need to make?
		And I'm sitting there thinking to myself, these guys are motivated and want to get stuff done.
		You don't need communism if you're a person who just wants to do work, if you have drive and ambition, because the money comes with the ambition that you have.
		And it may be, maybe you're a working class guy, and you're struggling to get by, and it's tough, but your motivation is, I got a family, and I'm going to feed my family, I'm going to work as hard as I have to do it.
		You don't need communism.
		You are going to do what you have to do.
		The communists are the people who are like, but I don't want to wake up.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not for nothing, but I was doing exactly what I do here on Twitter for like 12 years, 13 years before I came and joined the crew here.
		Doing exactly the same thing.
		And even if I wasn't here every night of the week, I would still be doing this on Twitter because that's what I did before.
		This is recreation to me.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And their idea of getting paid not to work would actually make their mental health issues worse.
		I mean, I think there's inherent value in work and toil and in being productive.
		And the idea that you would sit around all day doing literally nothing, like the idea that that would give more purpose to your life or make you better off is so backwards.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Isolation was so destructive during lockdowns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		But this is the crazy thing that for whatever reason, the liberal worldview is work equals bad.
		And I'm like, work is life.
		And it's weird that we develop this culture where they're like, whoa, man, your work is your life.
		What's wrong with you, dude?
		And I'm like, a guy 300 years ago who grew up with his dad who was a blacksmith was not upset that someone came to him and said, I need a new sword.
		And he was like, I know how to make them.
		Check it out!
		And then makes it.
		And they're like, this is the finest sword I've ever seen.
		It's like, thank you, sir.
		It made you feel good.
		Made you feel a part of society.
		You were useful.
		And for some reason over the past several decades, we've developed this like drugged out hippie mentality of like, life should be just like laying around and looking at the sky.
		What?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They'll be in the fields when they get their utopia of communism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they don't get it.
		Three-body problem.
		Have you guys seen it?
		It went viral a while ago because it's a Netflix show and it opened with the culture revolution in China.
		And it's epic.
		And because it's so old, I'm going to spoil a bit of it.
		But you've got this Red Guard woman beating a guy, a professor, for refusing to give him the answers they want on stage.
		He's got a dunce camp on.
		Later on, this woman, her hand has been amputated and she's breaking rocks in a field.
		These lefty communists don't realize, Let me ask you.
		You don't want to work?
		What skills do you have?
		What passions drive you?
		Nothing?
		Okay, break rocks.
		Because the dude who knows how to program computers, the communists are going to be like, okay, program computers.
		And then you say, but I just want to, like, read and do poetry.
		Break rocks, and they're going to put you in a quarry.
		They're going to say, do the labor you can do, because to each according to their needs, from each according to their means.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that means, what are you good at, and what can you do?
		Okay, well, we'll give you a little bit of food, and the only thing you're capable of doing for the system is going to be menial labor.
		Congratulations, you've got everything you've ever wanted.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting that they don't teach the Cultural Revolution in a lot of colleges or schools.
		A lot of people don't just know about what happened with Mao.
		They don't know what happened with Stalin.
		Oh, for sure it's intentional because they want to implement it.
		If you know the consequences, you might be afraid to go down that utopian route.
		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to this story from the New York Post.
		Oh, they say grinning suspect UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder seen in newly released pics.
		The police did not say this was a suspect.
		So I'm going to hit refresh on this and see if they've changed the headline.
		Indeed, they did not.
		The NYPD Crimestopper said this is a person of interest who is seen staying at a at a hostel on the Upper West Side.
		It is not the same jacket.
		It is not the same backpack.
		Many people are saying, but wait, wait, let me I'll just actually show you the photo.
		Here's the photo of the assassin from Crime Stoppers with the gray backpack, the black hoodie with the mask on.
		I would say based on this grainy photo, I can't really tell, but let me know if you guys agree.
		This person looks to be middle-aged.
		Do you think so?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		No.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I think they look younger than that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think that person looks younger?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They could be younger too, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I look at the hands and I see the white, the discoloration, and I say, I think that person's probably early, maybe mid-40s or older.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Could be 50. It is cold outside though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true, but younger people don't have, so that white on the hands is much more common in older people.
		I could be wrong.
		I could be wrong.
		But I look at this, and they're clearly not the same person either way.
		Literally just not the same person.
		And everybody saw this and just immediately assumed it was the suspect when the police said it was a person of interest.
		And this person looks very different.
		I gotta be completely honest.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It looks like a mask to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A mask?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like a CIA mask.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You ever seen those crazy latex masks?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Latex masks?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that looks...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like, that face looks weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that nose is massive.
		No disrespect.
		I don't know who this person is.
		If it's just like some random guy staying at a hostel and he's like, dude, stop breaking up my nose.
		But that could make sense.
		Seriously.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		If he's professional and he's not been found yet, we know these things have existed for decades.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you can buy these masks on the internet for dirt cheap.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Instagram wants me to buy one all the time.
		I'm like, I'm not getting one.
		I'm not doing anything crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it was Luke who bought it.
		I think Luke bought a muscle suit.
		A silicon muscle suit.
		Was it Luke who bought that?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was like a joke and a big fake boots.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there was that one, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How could you forget?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, and the weirdest thing is someone also bought a pregnancy belly.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That is very weird.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's what he wore to get away.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But hold on.
		But they do do this stuff.
		Exactly.
		I mean, think about it.
		If you're an assassin and you've got a backpack on, you just pulled this off, people are saying, I bet he changed his clothes.
		I'm like, imagine if he was wearing...
		Like a muscle suit to make him look bigger.
		So in the photos, they're looking for a guy who's about six feet tall with a muscular build.
		And then he goes into an alley and he pulls this silicon suit off, shoves it into a backpack and puts on a button up and then like ditches the backpack in a garbage or something.
unidentified		100%.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I really believe that.
		You can go on YouTube and see a ton of videos of former, I don't believe in former CIA agents, but former CIA agents doing the mask thing.
		And they show you how it's effective.
		There's a lady doing one.
		There's that guy who's on Lex Friedman's podcast talking about it a while back.
		I mean, and UnitedHealth is a giant thing.
		That's what I'm saying.
		If they were considered an alt-government-type giant thing, this is a huge job.
		Whoever it is.
		And you gotta get away.
		And you're in the New York City, a surveillance state.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look at this.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's cameras everywhere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just searched for real face masks.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they're crazy.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That is crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I have an opinion on whether or not that guy was wearing a mask.
		But, like, in New York, or in New York City...
		Especially at the time of day, like 6.45 in the morning, you can get on the subway and very quickly...
		He went to Central Park and you can get on the subway or whatever and get to an airport real quick and disappear.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't a marked city bike like they thought it was a city bike at first and it was another bike.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it wasn't?
unidentified		Okay.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		This is pretty planned out.
		I see these people on Fox talking about, well, he was not a professional because he went to Starbucks.
		But what if he had a mask on to throw it off?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's possible.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		This could be a crazy plan.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		There was a report today, too, that he gave a fake ID when he was checking in at the hostel.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, it's obviously pre-planned.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're probably not going to get this guy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, it was clearly pre-planned.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was a bike waiting for him.
		Not even locked up.
		He walked over, jumped on it, and rode away.
		That's crazy.
		So here's where it gets crazy.
		Part of this story that broke last night was that a message was found inscribed on one of the bullet casings.
		Listen to this.
unidentified		Fox 5, Good Day New York, first on the scene.
		We saw as officers attempted to give this man CPR, those desperate moments.
		But again, this victim, the man who was shot in the chest, has died.
		This all happened about 6.45 in the morning outside of the Hilton Hotel area.
		Right off 6th Avenue, the suspect described as a six-foot-tall man with a slim build, possibly wearing a cream-colored jacket, black gloves.
		He took off northbound on 6th Avenue.
		People who witnessed this situation, there were actually two or three people who saw it.
		They said that it appeared that the suspect...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
		I pulled up the old one.
		My bad.
		This is from yesterday.
		The message actually ended up getting released, and that was the...
		Let me pull up the...
		Story here.
		That's my bad.
		Let's see.
		Here we go.
		I thought I had the right tweet pulled up.
		That's my bad.
		Here we go.
		The message that was scrawled on it was, Deny, Depose, and Defend, engraved on live rounds and shell casings.
		And this appears to be an allusion to the book, Delay, Deny, Defend.
		Subtitled, Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It.
		Police are looking at possible ties to the book as well as more general references to the health industry as a potential motive.
		I gotta be honest.
		Could it be, there's two ways to look at it, depose, deny, defend could be after litigation, deposition, this person was basically advancing delay, deny, defend because he went through something personally or a loved one did?
		Or is this intentionally trying to mislead people and he actually got the name of the book wrong when he scrawled the message on the bullets?
		Because he doesn't actually know what the book is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's just so on the nose.
		I don't know.
		But it's too early to tell.
		But he was under investigation.
		And so when people find out about that and they see the shell casings with the words, everyone's going to be like, well, that makes sense.
		But there was so much going on in his personal life and in his business life, it's impossible to know what's going on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I suppose it's possible that it was, you know, to, you know, to dis, what's it called?
		To, you know, get the attention off of what the actual motive was.
		Deflect, there you go.
		But, I mean, usually, I would still consider, like, the fact that it was written on the casings as a lead to follow.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you still got to follow it.
		I just, my gut is saying it's not real.
		Yeah.
		You know, but I don't know.
		Anything is possible.
		And I also want to say, I don't think he's the assassin CIA. I'm just saying that he's using possible CIA tactics, you know, as a professional hitman.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Allegedly to go about escaping.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He didn't look like when you watch the video of him doing the actual shoot, he didn't look like he was scared.
		And if it was like a first time kind of thing or if it was like his kid was the reason that he was doing it, like kid got denied or his wife got denied.
		You'd think that there would be emotion in what he's doing.
		Maybe he'd shoot him and yell at him or say something.
		And it was very much like bop bop.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It didn't look like there was any overkill or anything like that.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		He did what he needed to do and left.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, cold, calculated, and he bounced.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Not that I know if it was, you know, not like I'm saying that I know.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I just watch a lot of Criminal Minds.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You're an expert.
unidentified		Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's all it takes these days, right?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It does make sense.
		If he's not super nervous and he's not fumbling with stuff, he shot the guy, he knew that the gun wasn't going to cycle because as soon as he shot, he didn't do...
		When I'm shooting, if I shoot and something goes wrong, the first thing I do is tap rack.
		But he knew that it wasn't going to be tap.
		He knew just to go to right to rack it.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And having it written on that live casing, knowing that he was going to eject it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It looks like they were steel casings.
		It could be.
		It kind of looks like it.
		Right?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, they do look like they're a chrome color or whatever, as opposed to a brass color.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, again, I don't know, because I'm not an expert and I wasn't there, obviously, but it doesn't seem like he was nervy.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The fact that he hasn't been caught yet either means he took his own life or he's completely vanished.
		You know, like there was instances from back home up in New York where similar things happened, not to this degree, but a shooting.
		Someone left.
		They weren't found for a few days and they found the body, you know, floating down the Hudson River or something.
		So that could be that.
		Or people would be like, well, this could end with a death by cop situation if it was maybe less of a professional, right, who got caught quickly.
		But I don't know.
		It doesn't seem that way.
		To do it that early morning in New York City, outside the Hilton, which I know that area, that's brazen.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it was well planned, too.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But his schedule was very open.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Everyone knew where this guy would be for a conference, so anyone could have access to it, which would lean to anyone knowing where he was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We do have some other updates as well.
		The police stormed a train, the Long Island Rail.
		An accident said they were on the 5.30 p.m.
		LIRR train to Seaford when the train was swarmed by cops.
		Officials maintain that although the train tip failed to find the killer, the NYPD welcomed the wave of tips it's receiving and is offering a $10,000 reward.
		It's helping, they added.
		We are following up on every single tip that's come in.
		Any tip could be the missing piece of the puzzle that ties everything together.
		I don't think they'll find the guy.
		I don't think so.
		Whoa, look at this.
		Detectives believe phone left at the scene may not be a burner.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're saying it might be his real phone.
unidentified		Wow.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be a huge mistake.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		No, it just doesn't add up.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't seem to track with everything else.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you're a pro, I mean, come on, dude.
		The pro IDs somebody who looks like him at a bar, snatches it.
		Leaves it at the scene, scribbles something on the bullets, and it keeps the scent off of you.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Just based on how well everything else was organized, to leave behind a phone seems very out of character for this guy.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It does seem very well planned, and not just very well planned, but very well executed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will mention this, too, because a lot of people have pointed out that the weapon was malfunctioning.
		Some said, no, he's manually cycling the weapon because he's using subsonic rounds so that it's quieter.
		Then others said, no, you can look.
		It looks like it's malfunctioning.
		I want to stress, and I think most gun people know this, The average person experiencing a malfunction doesn't know what's happening.
		For him to fire and then quickly cycle the weapon means he understands what a malfunction is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Was it a World War II type remake or something?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I saw that in an article earlier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, people were claiming that, but there's a bunch of gun tubers who are like, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		Interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, some of these guns where you have to manually cycle it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're sharing all these, like, they wrote entire articles on how it was a World War II gun, like, that was a clue.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, I own guns, but I'm not a gun expert by any means, and I've been to the range of a lot of people, and when there's a jam, they're clueless, and they're like, I don't understand what's happening, what do I do?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Or there's, like, four or five different things that it could be, and you go through a variety of steps before you finally get to the point where you cycle dry fire and make sure it's safe.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's, like, the last thing that you do when you're dealing with a malfunction.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Did he only shoot three times?
		I don't know.
		Do we know that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		He was shot three times.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how many times he actually...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I would also say something, I think, to his expertise.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Because there were rounds on the ground that were not spent.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So there were actual bullets, and then there were some just casings.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Because the NYPD can't shoot in public.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember that story where the guy came out?
		He was at his office building, and he went postal.
		He came out, and the cops ran up and just fired wildly.
		Didn't hit him, but hit seven random people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Seven people, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that was outside of the Empire State Building.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		And you know what I was told?
		The cost of lawsuits the NYPD has to pay out for negligent discharge is less than the cost of training NYPD how to use their guns.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Unbelievable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think about it.
		You've got 30,000 or whatever cops who need to be trained times whatever the training is, and they're like, nah, we don't have that many shootings, and the lawsuits don't cost that much, so just whatever.
		That's cost-benefit analysis.
		It's like that scene from Fight Club where he's like on the plane, and Edward Norton's character, Jack, he's like...
		If the cost of the lawsuits is less than the cost of the recall, we don't recall.
		And so they know the cars will blow up and do whatever wild.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Meanwhile, New York City released their prisons at the beginning.
		It's Gotham.
		This is straight up Gotham.
		And Taylor Lorenz is like a villain from Gotham.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which one?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which Batman rogues gallery icon?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		She's like trans Joker.
		I don't know.
		It's hard to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lady Joker?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's not Harley Quinn.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		She's cooler.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I mean, she might be...
		I understand people might get mad because they like the character of Harley Quinn, but that's probably the best analog.
		She's just mentally unstable and dangerous.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		She gets afraid if someone approaches her, but by all means, post pictures of people that you don't want to love.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not fair.
		She's too old to be Harley Quinn.
		Anyway, let's jump to this story from the Daily Wire.
		David Hogg seriously considering running for top DNC job to fix party's condescending tone.
		Many Republicans and conservatives laughed online at the prospect of seeing Hogg try to run the Democratic Party.
		This is offensive, okay?
		How dare you mock this intelligent and passionate young man who is trying to do what he must do to save the Democratic Party?
		I, for one, second...
		His nomination, or I nominate him.
		I would love to see the DNC run by David Hogg.
		Okay.
		Well, I guess he wants to be vice chair.
		So Politico reported that Hogg has told reporters he is seriously considering running for DNC vice chair.
		The failed pillow salesman who has made the name for himself by aggressively calling...
		Isn't that crazy, though?
		He tried to sell pillows.
		You remember that?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He was like the MyPillow guy who's doing such a good job that he tried to create a progressive pillow launch and it didn't work.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Was it OurPillow is what he called it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It was just Stones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was called Good Pillow.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Because my pillow's evil pillow, I guess, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, our pillow was the pillow that we made, which was a burlap sack full of packing peanuts.
		And the idea was that the communist version of it sucked.
		Anyway.
		They say the failed pillow salesman who has made a name for himself by—we get it, we get it.
		Well, honestly, I'm considering it because I think that, one, obviously, I think we need a new generation in the DNC. He's not wrong about that.
		If this election has taught us nothing else, I think we need an intergenerational coalition as a party.
		Look, let's be real.
		They're not going to—bro, you're not going anywhere near the DNC. They're going to be like, yes, right this way, Mr. Hogg, and they're going to walk you down a dark corridor inside the building.
		Then they're going to open a door with a bright light.
		They're going to push you through, and it's a fire exit.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think he should run for president.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, AOC might.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he should run with her.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
unidentified		AOC Hogg, 2028. That's a horrible videotape that no one should watch.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't even want to touch that one.
		I mean, look, I would like to see the Democrat Party move away from the progressive end, right?
		The Democrat Party move away from the far left end.
		There was strong signals in this past election that the country wants to move back to the right a little bit, move away from things like defund the police, move away from things like open borders, move away from things like restorative justice.
		These policies have negative consequences for Americans.
		And that was kind of clear and made kind of clear in the election.
		It would be cool if we didn't have the same crop of people with progressive ideas saying, hey, let's just do more of the same stuff that we've been rejected about.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's so wild about him saying that he wants to fix the DNC's condescension problem is anyone who's seen David Hogg's social media account know that he's one of the most condescending people on the Internet.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's always projection.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Always.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's always projection, and it's bad for the country.
		Again, the policies that the left prefers have been tested for at least the past five years, and they're producing results that Americans aren't happy with.
		You look at what happened in California, and there were a bunch of recalls.
		There was multiple recalls.
		Jason Boudin was recalled.
		There was another person that was recalled, another DA. Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it wasn't San Francisco.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was San Francisco where there was a DA and then there was another, maybe Oakland County, the DA also lost re-election.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And then there was a couple people that lost re-election and there were like 11 counties shifted red that were blue counties.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		London Breed is who I was thinking of, the mayor.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		She lost.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And that's a big deal and that speaks to the tone of the country.
		Even though the left would love to say, oh, there was no red wave and that Donald Trump, because he didn't get 50% of the vote, it wasn't a landslide, blah, blah, blah.
		That's just semantic cope.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And also on the House numbers, if you look at the redistricting that happened, Republicans are basically capped at the amount of seats that they can win just based on the way the districts are drawn.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		But if you look at the counties that flipped, the seats that they did win, they basically did max out, which, I mean, they hit the ceiling of the potential support that they can get in the House based on the way the districts are drawn right now.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Is the Democratic Party, can they not reject the tone of the American people?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Cenk was here just a couple days ago, and he was actually calling for moderation.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Yeah.
		There's definitely pockets of it.
		But when I watch the corporate press, they seem to not learn their lesson.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, Cenk got the memo.
		But to be fair...
		Well, I'm not going to pretend like he's been a saint the whole time or he's come around like, look, Dave Rubin was on this train a long time ago, recognizing the left was losing their minds.
		And they ragged on him for it.
		But over the past year, it is true that Cenk was screaming, Biden can't win.
		They're lying.
		This is nuts.
		He was admitting Biden is crazy and old.
		But he got the memo.
		That's called the popular mandate.
		And he's probably sitting here being like, we're on the wrong side of this one.
		The people are fed up.
		Even Bill Maher just recently came out saying, we need the disruptors.
		They're getting the memo.
		The corporate press, they don't read the news.
		Like, Bill Maher's on the line.
		Like, my issue with Bill Maher is that he doesn't read.
		Whoopi Goldberg doesn't read.
		So on The View, you have this great bit.
		Actually, we can pull this up in a second, where Charlemagne the God is like, Joe Biden lied about pardoning his son and Whoopi's like, no, maybe he just changed his mind.
		And it's like, did you guys read the initial reporting on this from NBC that said Biden had been planning this the whole time?
		They don't read the news.
		But Cenk sees the writing on the wall and he's thinking...
		We need to figure out where our victories are going to be because we lost the popular vote on this one.
		This ain't it.
		And so he recently tweeted that he's actually backing a Republican, that he's throwing his support behind a Republican who's got some populist plans that he agrees with and says, let's go for it.
		Because if the left populist and the right populist can get victories where they agree, just take them.
		There you go.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		So do the Democrats fracture now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I can't see the party coalescing around that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why David Hogg wants to run for the DNC. He's like, it's weak.
		Now's my chance.
		Because in like no sane reality could this kid, I know he's an adult man, but let's be real.
		There's no reality where this person is going to get a top position in the Democratic Party.
		Unless the Democratic Party is done.
		It is a withered husk.
		The donors have fled.
		They're pissed.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now's his chance.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he'll start one.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Beto O'Rourke would probably be on board with them, you know, because they seem similar to me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Ultra-feminine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Lanky, low-T guys.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Losers, yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I mean, one of the problems, though, with the Democrats potentially fracturing is that, I mean, this did happen to the Republican Party in a lot of ways when Trump became the nominee in 2015, where they were forced, really, to listen to their grassroots activists for the first time in a long time.
		But that was a very organic movement.
		I don't see the same kind of groundswell on the left to be more normal.
		Instead, you actually have the vocal minority of the progressives getting increasingly angry at a party that they feel isn't crazy enough.
		And the Democrats who have all of the money and political power try to placate them by running candidates or adopting policies that are in line with that, as opposed to moving towards the more moderate sort of blue dog Democrat position.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I would love to see more blue dog Democrats being held up as.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're basically extinct at this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		You can't even be a pro-life Democrat anymore.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who was it in Montana?
		Was it Tester?
		Was he like basically the last one?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		More or less, but I mean, but he's not exactly moderate either.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And Manchin was considered...
		But these were considered to be 10, 15 years ago.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now it's just like, dude, you guys are Democrats.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Get out of here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The Republican Party absorbed a lot of their liberals.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they effectively kicked out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They got Tulsi now, they got RFK Jr. That's why I've been saying, like, I don't see how the Democratic Party can recover.
		Because they kicked the moderates out.
		They kicked us out.
		Dude, like Joe Rogan, okay, was a Bernie bro who ragged on Trump incessantly.
		They kicked him out.
		They screamed in his face.
		They made his picture look green on CNN. And he's gone.
		He's not coming back.
		Why would he go back?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, the Republicans had a similar thing happen after it became clear that there was no yellow cake uranium in Iraq and that the pretenses for the war in Iraq were BS. And the Republicans were like, wait a minute, this is not what the Republican Party is supposed to be.
		And they lost a lot of people.
		The Ron Paul revolution was mostly Republicans that said, I don't want to be involved with the warmonger party.
		And there's a lot of people left and a lot of reshaping, and it ended up with Donald Trump coming and kind of taking the reins of that.
		And whereas he's probably more establishment than a lot of the libertarians would like, he's still a far cry from Mitt Romney and Dick Cheney.
		So now it's time for the Democrats to kind of be lost in the wilderness for a bit and hopefully the reasonable moderate Democrats will find their way back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I should run for DNC chair.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not going anywhere near any of that stuff ever.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when we're talking about this difference, though, between Trump's takeover of the GOP and then the Democrats, Trump has made very clear that he is interested in having people around him who don't agree with him on every single thing, right?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's why he's willing to partner with people like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK. But on the Democratic side, you have complete and total ideological purity that is required of everyone who gets elevated to one of these leadership positions So they're not really able to have the necessary debates that they need to have in order to create a healthier party that actually represents the people.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They don't even like debates.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Right.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They shut them down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did you guys see what's-her-face from Call Her Daddy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She was speaking at an event with the New York Times or whatever and was just ragging on Kamala.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's saying they spent $100,000 to build this weird set that looks nothing like her set far away.
		She's like, how do you even spend that kind of money on this?
		It's just all fake.
		Pre-planned, organized, with staffers standing by.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And no one cared.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No one cared.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The country rejected it all.
		Oprah, all of it.
		It's amazing.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's do this.
		Let's jump to...
		What do we have here?
		Ahoktua.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Ahoktua.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		I mean, we could talk about—we'll save the Whoopi Goldberg thing for a second, but I want to talk about Hawk Tua.
		So we have this story from Vulture.
		Hawk Tua, insider trade on that thing.
		Andy Warhol once said, in the future, everybody will be famous for a few months, and in that time, they will be accused of insider trading when their meme coin flops.
		I can respect the attempt, Jason Frank, for Vulture, but I think mine was better.
		This morning I said the making a random comment about sucking dick to committing securities fraud prison pipeline.
		That was my take on this thing.
		So for those that don't know, she launched a cryptocurrency, and within a few minutes, tons of people who had access to the coin who never bought it dumped it and ripped off all the fans that bought in.
		And so it's looking now like Hawk Tua is facing some...
		This looks like it's criminal.
		I mean, I don't know.
		I'm not an expert.
		I'm not accusing everybody of doing anything wrong.
		I don't know.
		But there is now...
		Here's the story, basically.
		Let me see if I can get the update.
		A law firm is now advertising over the Hawk to a pump and dump.
		This is Berwick Law.
		They said if you lost money on Hawk, contact our firm to learn about your legal rights.
		Our firm represents thousands of NFT and token investors in securities matters.
		This is attorney advertising.
		They even have the legal disclaimer.
		So we have this post that this is Voidzilla, a.k.a.
		Coffeezilla, and he's got this great video up on YouTube, put up two hours ago, where he's talking about what happened with Hawk Tua's coin basically ripping people off.
		They said this, 285 investors joined her presale.
		So actually, let me jump back and I'll play a sampling of his video.
		You can hear it straight from him.
		And then I recommend you watch his full video.
unidentified		Into this pre-sale, they say they got in at $16.69 million total valuation, which means that if they sold out the whole 17%, you're looking at about $2.8 million raised by pre-selling these tokens.
		So it is essentially a lie to say her team didn't sell tokens.
		Well, they pre-sold them, and then those investors dumped on your fans.
		That's the problem.
		Because Bubble Map says, we found 285 investors joined the Hawk pre-sale.
		That's about what I saw as well.
		89 wallets sold 100% on launch.
		47 sold over 50%.
		Anyway, you can see in total, $3.3 million were sold.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So basically, Hawk Tua says, we didn't sell any of these coins, but had pre-sold them, that's what they're claiming, to investors, quote-unquote investors, and then 89 of them dumped everything they got, and there's this huge transaction record of people getting four, like three, one's got 300 grand, one's got like a million, and then a bunch of them have like $40,000, and now people are saying she's going to talk to a judge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's probably smart for her to go talk to a judge because she's going to have to...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, talk to a lawyer.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, she probably should talk to a lawyer.
		But, I mean, if she goes to...
		I mean, yeah, I guess I imagine she probably should talk to a lawyer first because anything that she says is going to just incriminate herself.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		She's just tweeting about it, right?
		She's just tweeting about it.
		I don't think she's even taking this too seriously.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was talking about this earlier, and I think she must be hurting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think she's probably not making a lot of money.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They gave her a podcast recently.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But how much money is she really making off of it?
		And how many views is she probably getting?
		Podcasting is one of the only, if not the only, media medium that does not disclose its ratings.
		That is the weirdest thing to me, why they don't do that.
		YouTube puts it front and center on the video, and people can see if the video did well or not.
		Cable TV ratings are published weekly.
		You can look up and see that MSNBC is failing.
		Podcasts don't do this.
		I'd be willing to bet nobody listens to her, because what would they listen to her for?
		Like, come on, man.
		Look, with all due respect...
		It's great that she made a million dollars or whatever because she made a comment about blowing dudes or whatever.
		But that's it.
		She's got nothing left.
		So my view is, and I could be wrong, I don't know.
		She's probably hurting.
		And if she was dealing with mainstream typical success, she wouldn't resort to this weird crypto scheme, whatever you want to call it, to make money.
		And reportedly, according to the people online, they're saying that she got over a million bucks.
		Right off the bat.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We were talking about this the other night, though.
		Like, you get that thing that goes viral, but you have to have something of value that people actually are interested in if you expect to actually capitalize on the viral post or whatever.
		Otherwise, it's like...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Tiffany Gomez just posted feet pics after she went viral.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Did she actually post feet pics?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah.
		She was posting those weird pics of her in her fake kitchen.
		Everything about her is fake.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's gone.
unidentified		Pfft.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'd imagine Huck 2 was making more money than she made before, for sure.
		But it's going to be painful for a lot of these people, and not just her, but anybody, when...
		Look, you're a regular person.
		Next thing you know, you're on the news everywhere.
		Everybody knows your name.
		And you've got to figure out what you're going to do to maintain that.
		So she didn't.
		So it's only been a few months.
		And now Vulture is writing that she may be involved in insider trading fraud and She says that she died.
		Any insiders were given access to her coin.
		A team hasn't sold one token.
		And that not one...
		What is KOL? It's an opinion leader or something?
		Was given one free token.
		She posted an X. But as people are pointing out, yeah, it's because she pre-sold them before the launch.
		So they didn't sell them.
		They pre-sold them.
		This is just...
		Look...
		Your life is normal.
		You have little money.
		Overnight, you have a million bucks.
		You spend it on stupid things.
		This is what people tend to do.
		Then you're looking at your account and you're like, I need more of this.
		I need more of this.
		But you're not going to get it.
		You had your moment talking about blowing dudes or whatever.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The thing that's weird also is that she's claimed to be upset with the guy who posted the video that got her famous.
		And then she's on podcasts complaining about being famous, but she's doing the show still, right?
		She's like, I didn't want this, but here I am traveling all these podcasts.
		That's all weird to me.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I listened to a little bit of one of her first podcasts that she posted, which was just the aftermath of finding out that she had gone viral.
		And it was actually really sad in a way and kind of tragic because she had to explain to her parents why she went viral.
		And when I saw this video, and everyone was so excited about it, they thought it was so funny, I just thought, this girl's parents must be so horrified that this is the daughter that they raised and this is what she's out doing on the town with her friends.
		I don't know.
		I find the whole thing to be quite sad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I knew a guy and he had a viral moment where overnight he was on the news everywhere.
		And this is a while ago.
		It was like 10 years or longer.
		And I said to him, he was getting requests.
		His email was blowing up.
		It had been like two or three weeks where he was on all of these programs.
		And he went from being some dude working in a small Brooklyn restaurant or something, washing dishes, to all of a sudden, people are paying him speaking fees.
		He's got money.
		His clothes were clean and he was looking great.
		And I asked him, What's your plan, dude?
		What are you going to do?
		What represents what and who you are and where do you go from here?
		I'm not worried about it.
		I'm fine.
		And then I was like, listen, this month you have this viral moment and they're hitting you up.
		What are you going to do to make sure their interest comes back next month when the news cycle changes?
		He's like, nah, you don't get it, man.
		We're working on these things and we figured it out.
		Guess what he was doing a month later?
		Back to zero.
		No one's heard from him since.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Going viral is like the new winning the lottery.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You know how they say when you win the lottery, it just comes with a lot of horrible consequences.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But winning the lottery always did too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People don't get it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's like those documentaries about how winning the lottery ruined people's lives.
		And everyone goes like, how is that possible that it ruined your life?
		That makes no sense.
		And it's like, people don't...
		Let me just say one thing.
		You can't just give someone money.
		The IRS doesn't allow it.
		That's the craziest thing.
		Like, obviously you can hand someone a $100 bill, but there's limits on how much you can give people before you get taxed on those things and then dramatically reduces the amount you can give to people.
		So it's not as simple to say, like, I'd like to buy my friend a car.
		Nope.
		When Oprah gave everybody cars, they got massive tax burdens from it.
		And that was a huge, huge fiasco back in the day.
		And everyone just sold the cars and then it'd pay taxes on it.
		So winning the lottery would be great.
		Don't get me wrong.
		But the average person all of a sudden wakes up one day with 10,000 new problems they didn't know existed.
		And they're just like, I don't even know what to do with the money.
		Because you can't just spend.
		Like if you want $100 million, you can't just spend $100 million.
		When you have $1,000, you get your paycheck.
		You can go to the grocery store.
		Money's gone.
		You have food.
		You can fix your light.
		You can fix your window.
		Money's gone.
		You can get a car repaired.
		Money's gone.
		You can hire someone to come and clean your house.
		Finally, money's gone.
		But when you have $100 million, okay, so you spent $10,000 in one week doing all of these things.
		Your fridge is stocked.
		You got brand new clothing.
		Your car's fixed.
		Everything's up to order.
		Now what do you do with the other $99,999,000?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You could invest in meme coin.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		From the hawk two-year-old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you got to put the money somewhere.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		There's also the problem with what it does to your relationships and your family.
		I mean, if you've ever had someone in your family pass away and they had, you know, a significant chunk of change that they had after they died, like, families get absolutely insane in that process of divvying up the assets and the reading of the will and all of that.
		I mean, if you throw in a $100 million lottery win, that's only magnified to the nth degree.
		I mean, your life is literally never the same.
		And like you said, it's not all...
		Positive.
		There's a lot of drawbacks.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You hear a lot about the families turning on the people.
		It's publicized.
		People know.
		The gas station promotes it.
		Everyone knows.
		And then you wake up all these issues.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Still sounds nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's Polymarket giving us that she goes to prison?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Do they have it?
unidentified		Oh, geez.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		None of us really think that she had any idea what was going on, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not saying that at all.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What if she's an evil genius and we don't know?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I'm definitely not saying that she deserves a free pass because she didn't know.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I'm just throwing out there that she doesn't seem right enough to really understand that she was committing fraud.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait, they actually have it?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hayley Welch in jail in 2024. No!
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Want me to send the link?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Is there one for how long until we find out it's a money laundering scheme for the DNC? Oh, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was joking!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		3%?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's this year, though.
unidentified		That's lower than I would have thought.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's 2024, maybe 2025. Oh, but look, look, look, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was at five?
		Okay.
		Is that what you found, too?
		It's only 3%?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I got.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a value bet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I might buy it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But it might be...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we've only got...
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		We've got less than a month.
unidentified		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hey, hey, hey, hey!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says jail!
		Yo, are you nuts?
		That's a great wager.
		Dude, she could jaywalk and go to jail.
		Are you kidding me?
		The average person has been to jail.
		Jail is not prison.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they're basically saying that maybe she's speeding 30 miles off the limit so they arrest her?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yo, that resolves.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Public intoxication.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing for 2025. Go to the drunk tank, Haley.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		She's due for her Britney Spears moment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's only in 2024?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Haley, if you want to get out of your debt here, you could take a big...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You take a big bet that you're going to go to jail, and then just so happens that you get into a bar fight or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is she allowed to wager on this?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure she knows someone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, the cap is only $30,000, though, so $33,000 volume.
		It's funny that Polymarket actually has it, though.
		That's crazy.
		And it launched because of this thing.
		It just launched.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How much money do you owe, Haley?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nah, but I don't...
		Here's the issue.
		If she gets arrested over this and she spends seven hours in jail, it resolves.
		It's not a crazy ask.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying she's going to get convicted and go to prison.
		I think if it does turn out to be...
		I mean, this really does look like fraud.
		I don't know.
		I'm not an expert.
		Again, I'm not accusing her of having done anything wrong.
		But if she does go to court over this and it does turn out to be a criminal wrongdoing, they're not going to put her in prison.
		They're gonna give her a slap on the wrist, tell her to pay back, pay restitution, and things like that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		All the corporate press having to define what Hawk to you means.
		Prime time news.
		I hate this world.
unidentified		Hate it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why we've never talked about it before, because it's just like, I don't care about this degree of stuff.
		But I suppose when we have this story where it's like an internet personality of little and ill repute is now being accused of major securities fraud, I'm like, now there's an interesting story.
		Because I really do, I was talking about this this morning with, do you guys remember Overly Attached Girlfriend?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, props to her.
		She was, I think, the first person who took being a meme and turned it into something to make money off of.
		Because you had that stoned guy meme and you had the thumbs up guy meme and they were just memes and they had no idea what happened.
		When she did the overly attached girlfriend thing, she leaned into it, made accounts, and then started using it to make money.
		After, slowly, she started getting less and less traction and people paid attention less and less because she really didn't have a lot to offer other than she made a funny video this one time.
		Well, she made a couple of them.
		But she just drifted away and now she's got a ton of followers and she posts online when she does and she mostly just does it as a side thing.
		And that's what happens.
		I think we're going to see a lot of people who...
		They're not going to want to let go of the golden goose.
		They're going to fly too close to the sun.
		They're going to reach up and they're going to say, I cannot lose this.
		And they're going to commit crimes to make money.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I saw bumper stickers for this girl in Nashville.
		I was shocked that they even sold them and that people bought them.
		Could not believe it.
unidentified		Wow.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There they were.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's stop talking about her and talk about this story from the Post Millennial.
		Missouri could consider a plan to offer bounty for reporting illegal immigrants.
		The legislation would create the Missouri Illegal Alien Certified Bounty Hunter Program, which would certify anyone licensed as a bail bond agent to be a bounty hunter to search for and detain illegal immigrants.
		Yo, they're going to make a new dog the Illegal Immigrant Bounty Hunter Show.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Thankfully, they say only for reporting.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't like the idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says detain.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's a terrible idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it says detain.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of illegal immigrant gang members in the country right now where I don't want lay people running around trying to...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, these are licensed bond agents.
		So these are like...
		Your bounty hunters who are armed and have teams and go out, they would have the ability to, I mean, this is kind of wild.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if it is, if they are like teams that go out and they try to detain the wrong illegal immigrants, it's going to turn into a big old gunfight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These guys are going to do their research.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So bounty hunters know who they're going after and they know it can be dangerous.
		So they're looking up a guy's name and this guy skipped his bail.
		We're going to go find him and bring him back in and we're going to get his bond or a piece of it or whatever.
		If they're going after an illegal immigrant or something, it's going to be a lot easier than that.
		They're going to walk into an IHOP or something.
		And I bring up IHOP. Don't get mad at me, IHOP, because a couple IHOPs out here by us recently got raided by immigration.
		You saw that?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I saw the story, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was crazy.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Because the owner was hiring illegal immigrant laborers and they got raided.
unidentified		So they're just gonna- Who's gonna cook your pancakes now?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I got a liberal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got to pull up this tweet while we're on this story.
		But it's even better than that.
		I think Bethany Mandel had a really, really good tweet because she was mocking Matthew Iglesias because liberals are, you know, racist.
		Let me see if I can.
		I got it.
		Here it is.
		So Matthew Iglesias tweets Trumpflation killing me at Shake Shack and I don't think deporting the delivery guy is going to help.
		And then he posted his receipt and Bethany Mandel said peak progressive virtue signaling is tipping your delivery driver 10%.
		10% while assuming your driver is illegal and complaining that if he's deported, you can't keep paying him below a living wage.
unidentified		Wow!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, these bounty hunters are going to be easier They're not going to go up to cartels.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to walk into an IHOP and they're going to be like, licensed and bonded bounty hunters.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		If that's how it's working, I'm all in.
		This sounds great.
		Let's do it.
		Let's take some of the burden off of ICE, off of the National Guard, off of...
		And then this would also help if you do this in states where they're not allowing local and state police to cooperate with ICE. That'd be a nice little privatization of the market.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's just Missouri.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you know what the left is going to say?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're going to say that the right has created immigrant patrols to hunt down refugees and asylum seekers and put them in camps.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They're going to say that anyway.
unidentified		Of course.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter who does it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Right.
		But they're going to hearken this to slave patrols.
		They're going to say, this is how it starts.
		Oh, geez.
		Oh, no.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Then considering what we saw with that CEO... Well, one of my favorite pieces of rhetoric post-election was the Democrats saying that their Hispanic friends who voted for Donald Trump are not going to be laughing anymore when they get deported.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It's like, do you think all Hispanics are illegal?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's the way they talk.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And also, did you just admit that illegal aliens voted in the election?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		It's like a nice duper there.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So dumb.
		I mean, you can't expect, like, coherent ideas out of people that engage in this kind of, you know, rhetoric and stuff, but it's real dumb, man.
		It's real dumb.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's why I don't see them changing anytime soon.
		They're incapable of any, like, reflection.
		They're always right.
		Even if everyone voted against them, everyone else is wrong.
		The media hasn't learned their lesson.
		All their institutions are failing.
		They'll continue to fail.
		I don't know when it's going to happen, when they actually learn.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's why I think there needs to be a change in the actual people that are in positions of authority, at least the Democrats in the Democrat Party, whether you call them on the left or not.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You don't think Pelosi's good or...
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Pelosi...
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		She's really good at stock trading.
unidentified		Yeah, right?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And her husband, great.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think that Cenk was right that it really is the donors that kind of call the shots.
		And I feel like the donors are the ones that kind of need to wake up and be like, all right, the progressives are hurting the Democrats.
		But to the donors, they don't really care if it's Democrats or Republicans.
		For so long, the Republicans were thought of as the party of big business, of the rich and stuff like that.
		And in the past 15 years, that has entirely changed.
		That kind of the meme of Democrats being the party of big money and big donors hasn't caught up yet.
		But that's where it is right now.
		So that's the truth right now.
		So it's not like it matters to the donors.
		They'll donate to whoever's going to be the ones that are going to protect their interests.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Well, and it's cyclical because the ones who are in power are going to be the ones who bring in the most donations.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That makes perfect sense.
		So, I mean, I don't know if it's going to be immediate or in the next cycle or whatever, but I mean, I understand the people that are like, oh, you know, we want to get money out of politics.
		I don't know that you do that without the kind of changes that Donald Trump has brought up and is trying to do.
		Right.
		But at the same time, there's a lot of money stacked against him doing it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And the left would scream about being anti-corporate stuff, even in the past few years with Hillary or Biden.
		Meanwhile, Wall Street was completely backing both those people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		I mean, to the tune of a billion dollars.
		Barack Obama spent a billion dollars.
		He didn't get that just from grassroots funding.
		He got that for big dinners that cost $50,000 a plate.
		He got that from PACs donating.
		Same thing with Hillary Clinton, a billion dollars.
		Kamala Harris, a billion dollars.
		I don't know what Joe Biden spent, but I'm sure that it was a lot of money.
		So in 2016, 2020, and 2024, Donald Trump was outspent all three times.
		He was the underdog when it came to the fiscal side of it.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And one of the big reasons why that money doesn't translate to votes for the Democrats besides the obvious policy issues is that Obama moved a lot of the party infrastructure and took it with him in regards to the data operation after he left office in 2016. And the DNC was left basically having to rebuild their entire operation without Obama's help.
		The DNC, for example, does not really even do micro-targeting at this point.
		They don't even really believe in it as a science.
		The Republican Party micro-targeted the hell out of this election.
		They get voters based on demographics.
		Republicans get voters based on individuals and policies.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, I want you to be right.
		I want to believe that.
		And I want to see conservatives have continued positive results at the ballot box because I do believe that the – I mean just look at the way that markets have reacted since Donald Trump has been elected and the – Foreign leaders?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And just anecdotally during the last election, I was getting text messages every three or four days from the Kamala campaign, from progressive activist groups asking me to go out and doorknock for Kamala Harris.
		Why?
		Because I'm a 30-year-old white woman living in northern Virginia.
		Okay, pull up my voting history or like anything about me, the fact that I'm a faithful Catholic who attends mass weekly.
		You would figure out pretty quick that I'm not going to knock doors for you.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Joe Biden is a Catholic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what you do?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Devout Catholic.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't get me started on that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When I get text messages from Democrats, I just want to talk for as long as possible about everything.
		I'm a very interested voter, just wants to hear everything they have to say.
		It'll take a long time, and in that time, you're probably not going to be able to talk to anybody else, but I'm listening.
		I'm listening.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What companies are now putting up AI to intercept spam calls, and people are now not realizing they're talking to AI? It's so obvious.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're not there yet, though.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think for some people, like elderly people, they probably don't know yet, unfortunately.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy, man.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, it's going to get so bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, the AI videos that are already coming out are already getting crazy.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's not good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, Danny Palachuk's AI videos are, I think, intentionally not that lifelike.
		You can tell Trump's mouth's moving in the wrong way or whatever.
		They're hilarious.
		But these videos popping up where, like, Joe Biden was holding up a liquor store, they look like AI for now, but in a year, you're not going to know the difference.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Look how much it's changed in two years.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And haven't there been reports of elderly people getting phone calls with AI voices that sound like their family members?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they say, like, help, I'm trapped and ain't money.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm really excited because I was talking to this one dude who works in tech and he was saying that within a year we can fully automate Timcast.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you literally just type in, you'll grab 10 different news stories that you want for the show, and you'll just drop them into a box and click Generate, and then it'll render the video, and then you're done.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Reject that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Reject it, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to be funny because people will be watching, and it'll be seemingly normal until all of a sudden, like, Shane's on the ceiling, and then he's back in the chair again, and it's like...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How did we not catch that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His hand has five fingers and a thumb.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		By that point, though, it'll be perfect.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You know, the hands, that seems to be a thing of the past.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You'll turn into a lizard mid-show and then turn right back.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We knew it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen those fake videos people make where it's like skinwalkers uncovered?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, it's an AI video, but it looks real, and it'll be like a woman standing there, and then she'll turn and turn, as she turns, she becomes a dog or whatever.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's so many of those videos on Instagram, and they're creepy and weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a fun horror short, but there are going to be old people who believe this.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		There will be young people eventually, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was talking to some dude who said that he has family members that are gone.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, they watch these videos and they think they genuinely are lizard people who have taken over.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, that's true.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's just don't believe the AI ones.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I do think that young people, though, have a harder time with internet reality versus fiction because...
		When I was growing up, we had these classes at our library where we had to learn how to determine what was real on the internet and proper sources to use.
		And apparently they just don't do any of that anymore.
		They don't have computer labs anymore.
		So if you talk to people who are employing Gen Z people, even older Gen Alpha people at this point, they literally do not know how to use computers.
		They only know how to use phones.
		They don't even know.
		I had to teach my intern this summer, like Control-C, Control-V shortcuts for copy-paste.
		It's actually quite scary.
		They genuinely do not know anything beyond typing on their phone and watching TikTok.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What's it like with grammar and stuff?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Really not good.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You don't think they teach it anymore?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they do teach fundamental grammar.
		No.
		I mean, just based on the resumes that I get in the writing samples when I'm hiring people and editing their work, it's rough.
		Because it makes my job harder if people don't know how to write.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think a lot of people don't care anymore about those basics, which is, you know, that's just an indictment of where society is.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Well, and certainly when we continually move towards more short-form content, it doesn't seem as important.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that writing long-form stuff is going to be a skill that is going to be common in the future?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's not common now.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, fair enough.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		The popularity could come back, though.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I mean, going back to the AI hook, it is possible, and there are some websites that already do this where they give you the option to read the article out loud.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And that's the way a lot of people do consume long-form content.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		If AI gets better at reading long-form articles to people and they can listen to it like a podcast, then maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, the problem with long-form is the culture in media where...
		They'll go to a journalist and say, we want, can you write us 10,000 words about the current war in Ukraine?
		And they'll be like, yes.
		And so the title will be like, the darkest hours of Ukraine, the forefront of the war and its current developments.
		And I'll see a headline like that and I'll be like, oh wow, what's going on?
		I'll click it.
		And the first paragraph will be like, it was a dark night.
		Grass was blowing at my feet and I looked up to the sky.
unidentified		Wind.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A man approached me slowly and I looked him in the eyes and he said, Ukraine.
		And that's what I knew.
		And I'm like, what is this?
		Where's the news?
		I can't stand these news outlets that are like, the writers clearly didn't want to work in news but couldn't find a job anywhere else.
		So instead of being like, in Ukraine right now, for the past several years, there's been an ongoing war in this region and that region.
		And I'm like, tell me more.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's like some dude writing a novel about his experience in I think, I mean, I'm biased because I'm the one who writes the novel articles that are a million words long, but I think people should have an appetite for the articles you want, the objective to straight up news, but also long form essays, which is why Substack's doing so well.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, if you like Tucker Carlson's old articles before he really became a television broadcaster, he is an incredible writer, highly recommend.
		Like, we don't really have anybody that writes like that anymore.
		And I would say the other problem with the long-form content is that you have people assigned to these type of essays, but they don't even actually go to the place that they're writing about.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Where should people go if they're actually interested in learning how to write like that?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Not school.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		But Shane, Shane, the journalism school applications I get are the worst.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Don't go to journalism school, yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're saying you want to write like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But when you write like a gonzo piece about how you went to go meet with a Civil War historians who are telling the story and you say like, you know, I'm driving down this road and there's a man that's a story I totally understand.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But when the New York Times is supposed to be writing about like the current developments of the Biden pardon.
		Yeah.
		And it starts with being like the headline will be like Joe Biden issues pardon for son outrage in the beltway.
		And it starts with like two paragraphs telling me a story about the current weather and mics.
		And I was standing there before the Supreme Court and realized this country was in trouble.
		And I'm like, shut up.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Just tell me what's going on.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Mainstream media is famous for bearing the lead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And activists hijack long-form journalism.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		BuzzFeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I made a lot of money on my BuzzFeed stock, so you don't despair.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, sorry.
		But Vice did it.
		And I wrote for Vice, too.
		Very long articles.
		But they got hijacked by activists who will try to write, you know, you want to get that information, but then they'll spend three paragraphs selling you on their identity and all this other stuff that they learned in their horrible journalism school, which I taught at for a while.
		So I get that it's rotting from the inside.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Am I, am I, is there any regulation about me stating my current gains from BuzzFeed?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how, like, stock.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Ask the wrong person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't, yeah, I don't know.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Let's ask, uh, Hayley Welch.
unidentified		Call her.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she seems to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because, um, I bought a bunch of BuzzFeed stock when Vivek, like, so here's the story I bring up quite a bit.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Dope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We watch the news all the time.
		We read the news nonstop.
		And so it's kind of wild that a story I learn about, the moment the story breaks, the minute it's published, then of course I'm going to try and fact check it to the best of my ability.
		But usually we kind of just trust the media.
		And that's a fact.
		I mean, for better or for worse.
		And then it's like people I know will hear about it a month later.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I started saying, like, why aren't I buying stocks?
		Because, you know, we saw the Nancy Pelosi NVIDIA purchase.
		Nancy Pelosi just bought a ton of NVIDIA. And I was like, that's funny.
		That's going to skyrocket.
		And then I didn't buy any.
		And then it skyrocketed.
		And people are going to say it's going to collapse and it did drop a bit.
		But still.
		So when Tesla tanked.
		It dropped down from like 300 to like 113 or whatever because Elon was talking about buying Twitter.
		I was like, okay, that's not real.
		The stock is not going down because anything having to do with the company.
		It's going down because of the PR around Elon and fears of what the CEO might do.
		So I bought a bunch of Tesla.
		Boy, am I happy.
		So when Vivek announced he was buying BuzzFeed and having these meetings, I was like, okay, and then I just bought a bunch.
		I don't talk to any of these people about it or anything like that.
		I was like, I'll buy some.
		And, I don't know, conflict of interest, I guess.
		Just so everybody knows, I have BuzzFeed stock, but it's been going pretty well.
		Since Vivek got involved, BuzzFeed stock's way up.
		Let me see what the percentage is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What is BuzzFeed doing right now?
		I have no idea.
		What did they put out?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		125% return.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		On listicles?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What are they doing these days?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They did kill their news division a couple of years ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was hilarious.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What big story did they break?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They published a Steele dossier.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Steele dossier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Scummy.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And then Smith got rewarded with a cushy job at the New York Times for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to give a shout out to a good friend, Ben Smith.
		You know, when he apologizes for this, then maybe I'll stop saying it.
		But there was a story a few years ago where, remember the Popeye's chicken sandwich came out?
		And everybody wanted to get one?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		BuzzFeed News ran a story, or BuzzFeed, whatever, I don't know which outlet it was, that a man was stabbed to death over a Popeye's chicken sandwich.
		They wrote this story claiming that a guy went to Popeye's and was in line for a chicken sandwich and a fight broke out and he got stabbed to death and died.
		And that's not the story at all.
		The story was a guy at a Popeye's got stabbed to death, but it had nothing to do with a chicken sandwich.
		This guy had gone to Popeye's and I guess someone had cut him in line.
		And so he told the guy like, what are you doing, man?
		You can't cut me in line.
		It had nothing to do with a chicken sandwich.
		And the guy said something like, let's take it outside.
		And as soon as he went outside, the guy killed him.
		His family was pissed.
		They were like, this is a black man that BuzzFeed has, that the media is claiming, died over a chicken sandwich.
		It's not true.
		It was an issue of the violence we see in these communities where people feel disrespected.
		And instead of...
		Dealing with being, you know, cut in line or having someone be mad about it and just talking it out and letting someone order their food, this guy decided to murder our family member.
		So I hit up BuzzFeed rather calmly, like, hey, Ben.
		You guys ran the story claiming a black man was killed over a chicken sandwich.
		I just wanted to know that's not true.
		And he refused to correct it.
		Because he didn't care.
		I can't remember exactly what he said, but he said something like, it's true enough, or something to that effect.
		And I'm like, this is the problem with these companies.
		They don't give a crap if they're telling you the truth in context.
		There's no problem for them to have written that story and then said, upon...
		Further review, family members came out and said this was nothing to do with the chicken sandwich.
		They could have even made a headline being like, racist outlets accused black men of dying over chicken sandwich.
		They just wanted the story.
		It was shocking, it was funny to them, and they did not care.
		That's what's wrong with those organizations.
unidentified		Yep.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And that's why they're failing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Another example is when I worked at Fusion.
		And Ghost in the Shell came out.
		And they wanted to be angry that Scarlett Johansson was playing the major, who's supposed to be a Japanese woman.
		And the fan base actually said, a premise of the show is that you can have a prosthetic body.
		So in this movie, Ghost in the Shell, this person dies.
		And then her consciousness is transported into a prosthetic body.
		Because it's the future and your brain is cybernetic.
		And they were like...
		Well, but it's a white woman.
		And I was like, yeah, but like part of the idea of the show is transcending identity.
		Like there's literally a line in Ghost in the Shell where one of the guys asks the major why she prefers female bodies when you can choose any prosthetic body.
		And I'm like, so this actually, it really does fit.
		And they were like, yeah, but we're going to go ahead and write it anyway.
		And I was like, I'm a fan of Ghost in the Shell and they don't care.
		They just want to write the garbage and make the money.
		Then when they issue a retraction, when they get things wrong, they make money off that too.
		That's the secret.
		If the New York Times writes fake news and gets a million views, and then they get threatened with a lawsuit, they retract it, the retraction is an article as well that makes money too.
		Maybe not so much for the New York Times because they're mostly subscriber-driven, but for some of these outlets that run ads, they love it.
		They'll be like, we'll get a million on the article that's fake, and then we'll get 50,000 on the retraction.
		All of its views.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They don't care.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter, just so long as people look at it.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I don't think people even read it, though.
		It's like headlines.
		People believe in the caricature of the headline.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But if they get the click, that's all that they care about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The secret of the Huffington Post was that people just argued in the comments.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the secret.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So they, and then when having to post announced at one point they were going to get rid of their comment section, people were like, wow, because the sort of like, the insider journalism organization secret was everybody knew that was really driving page views was that people wanted to argue with, you know, conservatives and liberals were fighting with each other.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Was that something you think Breitbart was a part of with the comment stuff?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or is that I don't know, but this is before Twitter.
		So you're on the internet, Huffington Post emerges, it sounds official, they post an article, and there's comments where you can say, this is dumb, this politician should do this, and then you can respond and say, you're dumb.
		Then we have Twitter.
		Once Twitter came about, that became the internet's comment sections.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That is what Twitter really is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's the comment section for the whole internet.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		For the collective consciousness.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, really.
		I mean, it used to be people would say, oh, don't read the comments because they're always full of vitriol because angry people are the ones that generally comment.
		And as soon as Twitter was created, it's like, okay, this is...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I love the comments.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what it is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Especially the angry ones.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I think they're hilarious.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I always read them.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I love them.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They make me happy.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I feel like you get a little out of touch if you're not regularly reading the comments.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and sometimes through Timcast, the second book I did, we were serializing it.
		And it would be narrated on YouTube as well, piece by piece.
		And sometimes I got something wrong about, I think it was an amount of miles between one place and another.
		And I was like, oh, thanks.
		And it was almost like a fact check.
		And I fixed it for the book.
		So I appreciate comments.
		All of them.
		Good, bad, ugly.
		Send them my way.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Any comments on X, I appreciate.
		Especially if you're verified and mad.
		Those are always good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can see how many followers you have that are verified now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
unidentified		It is.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I haven't looked at it yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you gotta go to your analytics and you can look and then this explains why all these liberals are getting angry because they're not making any money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then their engagement farmers are making tons of money.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I thought they were taking care of that.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		To some degree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll clarify.
		There are people who do dumb things where it's like, waffles are better than pancakes.
		Discuss.
		And people get really annoyed by this stuff.
		Or they'll talk about news but frame it in a question to generate chaos.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Or they post photos and they're like, what do you notice about this photo?
		And there's literally nothing in the photo and people just start speculating in the comments.
		Those drive me nuts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing that's going to make you a lot of money on X is posting the blue and gold dress and saying, what color is it?
		Then you're going to get 800,000 comments.
		And that's the thing.
		Getting ratioed is money.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That guy murdered his wife, I believe, from the blue and white dress.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Eventually, yeah.
unidentified		What?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I could be from another dimension right now with a different set of timeline, but I'm pretty sure in this timeline that guy ended up...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elaborate.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's all I know.
unidentified		What?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		The guy from that picture, who posted the picture, I think murdered his wife.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I hope I'm right right now.
unidentified		Good lord.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I didn't slip through some portal on the way here.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a terrible story.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I know it is, but he brings it up, you can't not.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He tried to kill his wife.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so in my timeline he killed her, but this one he tried.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man whose mother-in-law's blue and black dress went viral charged with trying to kill wife.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow!
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of viral moments that lead to insanity...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, after Joe pardoned his son, Hunter, I was just thinking, like, how many more historically unprecedented things can we handle in one year?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Better knock on wood.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, don't knock on wood.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want more.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
		Aliens were supposed to invade the other day.
		That didn't happen.
unidentified		They did.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We just haven't noticed yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was that video of that woman where she saw a meteor break through the atmosphere, but those happen all the time.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and people are seeing all those weird drones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Is that Jersey or Virginia?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Both.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jersey.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The weird drones flying everywhere.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But then there's that stuff in D.C. that was happening where it was clearly just planes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was a bunch of planes over DC? Just planes!
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And lens flares, you know?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like J.J. Abrams' lens flare, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, hey, if I have not identified the plane, it is unidentified and flying.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		No, that's fair.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is an object.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That is fair.
		That is fair.
		But there's weird things going on for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, where do you want to start?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		We have a cyborg king who's in our administration right now.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's a cyborg?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, cyborg king.
		I love what he says, but I'm worried about our government absorbing AI. I'm worried about, I want to strip away the government to nothing, but I'm worried about implementing an AI government.
		Because it's like a bigger version of what we're talking about with the 90% error rate for UnitedHealth.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're not ready for AI. Like, our AI is too stupid.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That we know about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think even the AI that they have at higher levels is still too stupid.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But they're using AI at war right now, like the Lavender stuff, to programmatic policing.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		They're letting the AI determine who they should take out.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's like from Captain America, Winter Soldier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Literally the bad guys were trying to implement an AI that would target people they thought were deviant.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It was sci-fi yesterday, but that's reality right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what I'm saying is if you want to implement an AI government, we don't have that AI level yet.
		And we might get there soon with AGI, our official general intelligence.
		But right now you don't have it.
		What's going to happen is you're going to make an AI that says, hey, we want to make government more efficient.
		What will it do?
		It'll create a bunch of bloated bills, overspend, and then bankrupt the country and open our borders.
		All it's going to do is look at what humans have done and then say, this is the way government should work.
		And we're all sitting here being like, no, it should not work.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Don't put Gemini in charge.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The fact that AI is progressing and there are so many companies working on it is why I bought a lot of Nvidia stock.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Do you worry about it ruining the music industry?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		AI? Well, I think the music industry is already ruined.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and besides...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		From streaming and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AI is destroying what's left.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		True, true.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But there's still creative stuff, right?
		So Sleep Token is a great band, very creative.
		They really do cross a lot of genres.
		I think that it's really cool that a lot of modern acts are not limited to genre the way that they used to be.
		There's a lot more crossover and different styles of music that's coming together.
		Mm-hmm.
		But the music industry itself is just...
		It's a flaming pile of trash.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think music's been largely solved as a problem for a long time, mathematically.
		And there were a few viral videos.
		There was one famous viral video like 10 years ago where a guy who was a big music producer explained how they make pop stars and how they make the songs.
		And then the trends in music.
		There was one video I watched where a music producer explained – I forgot what it's called.
		But it was the OEO trend that we saw in music for a while where all of these big songs.
		And it's like basically what happens is there's a certain song that will get a lot of attention and they'll remake it 800 times in ways that's hard for you to recognize.
		but we can see it when we're doing the mix and in the background.
		Beats per minute, the key of the song, the pacing, the time, all of that stuff, and it's all the same.
		There was one viral video, like, I think this was like 15 years ago, where a guy took some random woman who could not sing, and then made a pop video explaining how fake and manufactured everything is.
		So...
		When I was a kid, remember when lip-syncing was just Hellworthy Trespass?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Million Vanilla.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now it's expected.
		Now they're backing tracks.
		And you'll see a singer on stage not singing, and then just do a few lines, and it's normal, and it's allowed.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Million Vanilla need a redemption arc now.
		I'm sorry.
		It's ridiculous.
		But that is a norm now.
		It's ridiculous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I think mathematically music solved and they figured out how to make the most mentally appealing array of sound mathematically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But AI has just cranked it up to the millionth degree.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's part of why I think theatrics have become such a big factor in live music today, whether you're dealing with bands like In This Moment or a band, at least in hard rock and stuff like that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		In This Moment, bands like Sleep Token.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Rock Loose on Jimmy Kimmel.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, there's that kind of stuff.
		The whole, like the way that Rammstein puts on their shows and stuff.
		Marilyn Manson.
		These are all acts that...
		They're not just music.
		In the 90s there was such a backlash against the theatrics of the 80s.
		Everybody wanted to come out wearing their dad's sweater and baggy ripped jeans and just play their instrument and that was the focus.
		Nowadays it's totally different and if you don't have something that sets you apart From other bands, something that's memorable, even if you have good songs and good music, it's tough to get some kind of traction.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking of Phil Anselmo saying, we don't have dragons coming out of the speakers.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I saw it in your thoughts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I love that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I love that quote.
		And I'm a huge fan of Pantera.
		They were a big influence on the way that All That Remains presented ourselves for a long, long time.
		We were just like, we're not going to get dressed up.
		It's like I would go on stage wearing shorts and just a cut-off sleeve t-shirt.
		And there are bands like Killswitch and Gage.
		Adam would wear ridiculous things because he was making fun of bands that would get dressed up in theatrical stuff.
		He would literally wear a tutu.
		There were times where he'd wear a cape just to look silly.
		But nowadays, new bands, you really need some kind of something to stand out.
		Yeah, to set you apart.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I saw Black Diamond murder in fat suits.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Rest in peace, Trevor.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With, like, I use Suno a lot, the AI music generator.
		And if you have it make a song with lyrics and words, it'll kind of be really, you know, not very good.
		The minus.
		Like, it's a song.
		But the lyrics are usually the cheesiest of dirt rhyming.
		And, you know, rhyming you with you and things like that.
		But if you don't put in any lyrics and ask it to make an instrumental song, it will make an amazing instrumental song.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That, in my view, like, one of the key components of the music industry is making music for video, for intros, for outros, skate videos, for instance.
		I'm talking to the crew here and I'm like, we don't need to license music anymore if we're looking for backing tracks.
		Just go on Suno, type in the kind of song you want, hit render, and it'll give you a minute to two minutes of a song you can use for the background of anything you need.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Done.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it costs like a dollar.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So now the musician, he used to sit in his room and make these songs and was making, you know, a living.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Done.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		This is something that I have harped on forever.
		If you're going to be a musician or if you want to be a musician, like you need to tell stories.
		There has to be more than just the music.
		You want to have a cool beat, you want to have a melody that people remember.
		But when you write lyrics that speak to people that people can relate to, that's what people will keep coming back to listen to.
		Our biggest song is a love song.
		And we're not thought of as that kind of band.
		We're thought of as a heavy metal band and I'm a screamer and blah, blah, blah.
		But our biggest song is still What If I Was Nothing.
		And that song was literally about an argument me and my ex-wife had at the time.
		It just connects.
		Yeah, because people can relate.
		And that's really what you're trying to do.
		You're trying to relate to people.
		So if you're an aspiring artist, go out and live life.
		There was this other...
		There's an artist that I was friends with that I was also friends with her producer.
		And we were talking about some of the stuff that they were doing.
		And they had some really cool stuff.
		And there was this great line.
		And she was a female artist.
		And one of the lines they had...
		Was F my safe word, don't you stop.
		Because she wanted to be like an LA grungy, dirty kind of thing, but she wasn't genuinely that person.
		They were like, what does she need to do?
		They asked me, what do you think she needs to do?
		And I was like, she needs to go get on heroin for a year and then get off of it.
		Because she was young and she didn't have a lot of experiences.
		She needed to go and live life and have something to actually write about that people could relate with.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I saw a really interesting video from Ben Affleck, of all people, recently talking about AI in movies.
		And he said something about how AI can't account for taste.
		And that's the one area where humans will always have the competitive advantage is knowing when to stop.
		You don't agree?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's looking at AI as it is now.
		So you can't do that.
		I make this point quite a bit.
		If you go on my Instagram and scroll way back to two years ago and look at the early AI generated image of Nancy Pelosi, it looks like a caricature grotesque image.
		If right now—and it was a year later I brought this up—you could render a full, normal-looking picture of her.
		Today, you can make a full video of her purchasing $15 ice cream, and it looks real.
		So Ben Affleck's looking at the modern iteration of AI video and being like, ah, but it doesn't understand taste.
		Humans are going to—nope.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I just don't think you can replicate art with a machine.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What I'm seeing when I ever have these conversations with pro-AI people is I don't participate in AI. But look at music.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Music's done.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		But there's people who don't care.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I don't agree with that, actually.
		I mean, so I'm a huge country music fan.
		And one of the biggest things that's happened in the country music industry recently There's a huge growth of independent artists outside of the Nashville machine that have gained amazing traction for doing exactly what Phil's talking about, telling stories.
		You look at people like Charles Wesley Godwin, Wyatt Flores, Coulter Wall.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Sarah Farrell.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		They're incredible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the AI is going to take them all, analyze how long someone listens to one part of the song.
		It doesn't just know what song you like.
		It knows when you're, like, if you're playing the song on your phone, it's got the camera looking into your eyes.
		And it knows what part of the song triggered an emotional response.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		How do you replicate Charles Wesley Godwin walking through the streets of West Virginia and seeing street graffiti on a bridge and making a story out of it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The AI literally will just do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Because that's a unique concept.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		That's come from real lived experiences.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		But you don't know that it's a leftist term.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you don't know that's real.
		So if I told a story, if I wrote a song where I said how I was driving in the backcountry in West Virginia and I saw an injured dog and I got out and he came up to me and he was scared and I brought him in my car and then we drove down and I looked for a vet but he didn't have an owner so I decided to adopt him.
		People would be like, wow, I made all that up.
		It's not real.
		You know this really, really bummed me out.
		The song, The Freshman by the Verve Pipe, it's totally fake.
		And that's why a lot of artists always said, never tell people what the song's about because they'll get bummed.
		Because when you listen to that song, it's about dudes and these people who are early in college, and this guy's girlfriend commits suicide, and now they don't know how to react to it, and he's like, he never really wept, and it's not our fault, we're not responsible for this.
		And then when you ask him about it, he's like, I was just writing a story.
		And it's like, well, it was a really great song.
		It's kind of a bummer because you thought it was real, but it wasn't.
		AI is going to analyze that to the T, and it's going to replicate it.
		It absolutely will.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		What's going to happen is when it becomes indistinguishable, like what you're saying, people are going to start debating with themselves and others, does it matter?
		To me, it matters.
		But then they'll say, if you can't tell, why does it matter?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at Nirvana.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When Smells Like Teen Spirit, those lyrics are gibberish.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I met a producer when I lived in Seattle who had worked with Early Nirvana, and he said that Kurt would often just groan melodies and then scribble random words to fit the melody structure because he liked the way the song was.
		That's it.
		And I was like, sounds about right.
		Some of the songs are legit.
		Like, Early Nirvana did have songs that were about things.
		Some of them were obviously just gibberish.
		Yep.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But that is an anomaly.
		You're right about a lot of their stuff was just gobbledygook, but at the same time, that isn't something that happens all the time.
		Just like the song Hook by...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's a great song, but literally he's saying it doesn't matter what I say.
		So you can...
		There is...
		You know, substance of the argument that it can be faked.
		But if you're telling a story that people can relate to, you do, you know, people do care because, I mean, I've had thousands and thousands of people come up to me and say, this song really helped me through a hard time in my life.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I guess my point about country music and the way that that industry is changing is that there was a genuine appetite for something that wasn't overly produced radio BS about trucks and guns and pushing, right?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Like, people wanted a real human emotion expressed in their songs, and luckily you had all these amazing artists out there who were doing that and got famous because of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we're gonna go to super chats.
		Before we do, I have a prepared statement.
		I have to be very careful.
		Many are wondering what's going on pertaining to the lawsuit that I filed in defamation over the Harris campaign, which is ongoing.
		And I have this to say, quote, we have some positive updates coming in the lawsuit.
		I can't speak on it just yet, but more info is coming.
unidentified		Mm-mm.
		Mm-mm.
		Um...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, that's all I can say for now.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Dang.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, uh, I will stress again, we have some positive updates coming.
		I can't say, uh, much on that, but, um, stay tuned, and, uh, you will hear something soon.
		All right, let's grab Super Chats!
		Make sure you smash the like button, share the show with everyone you know.
		Head over to TimCast.com, because we're gonna hang out in that members-only Uncensored show.
		Kyle N. says, love the show, keep up the good work, everybody, really do appreciate it.
		Death from afar and fishing says two more days, Tim, on December 7th, 1941, when all the people came together in the attacks of Pearl Harbor.
		What a brutal, brutal and awful day.
		Oh, Japan, they made a mistake.
		They made a big mistake.
		Jason Dixon says if she don't hawk to her, I don't talk to her.
		You're supposed to put talk to her.
		Talk to her.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Missed the opportunity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		El Rojo says, Tim, the reason the gun malfunctioned is because tilt barrel pistols like the Glock require a booster when suppressed to cycle properly.
		Subsonic rounds don't have enough energy to cycle the slide.
		Indeed.
		We were talking about this the other day.
		And I rewatched it again.
		And it does look like he tries to fire and then cycles it and then fires, which is indicative of him not just shooting, cycling, shooting, cycling.
		He does try and it doesn't work.
unidentified		So interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sam Uri says, Tim, did you ever think Cenk came on your show to see how Timcast works on the inside and steel production ideas?
		No.
		And I also don't care if he did.
		If Cenk came on the show and came here and said, Tim, explain to me how everything works and how your production is.
		I'd be like, here we go.
		Here's how we do it.
		This is the way we operate.
		You know, I like Elon Musk.
		He says they don't have patents.
		Have you seen him talk about this?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Because no one can steal it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's what he says, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's like, good luck.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		This is from a breakaway civilization.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was on a bus.
		Man, how long was this?
		13 years ago.
		And I was working on an app with a small startup group.
		And so I'm hanging out with a friend on a bus in LA and I'm explaining what our company does.
		And it's like, here's the plan.
		Here's what we're going to do.
		And basically it was ActBlue before ActBlue existed.
		And I really wish we actually got it off the ground.
		But as it goes with young upstarts, it usually just doesn't.
		But the idea was like, how can we facilitate digital donations to politicians and create this network?
		And so we started building and things like that.
		And so I'm sitting on a bus and I'm talking to my friend.
		And she goes, stop, stop, stop, stop.
		Someone's going to hear you.
		And I look around at everyone on the bus and I'm like, you think these people are going to steal my idea?
		Like, this is the wrong attitude to have.
		And so many people who are entrepreneurs are terrified to say what their idea is because, like, someone's going to steal it.
		I'll tell you exactly what happens.
		If you go meet with an investor...
		They're going to say, what's your idea?
		And if you can articulate your idea effectively, they're going to say, okay, what do you need to make it work?
		They're not going to go, that's a great idea.
		I'm going to write it down and have someone else do it.
		Because then they're going to be saying, I'm going to invest more money in trying to figure out your vision that I don't have because the idea makes sense.
		No, they're going to be like, I'll just hire you.
		What do you want?
		How much are I going to give you?
		People don't understand that these incubators, they'll give you 50 grand for 30% of your company and then say, here's 50 grand.
		Make your vision happen.
		Come back to me when the money runs out.
		Make it work.
		That's a huge chunk of your company for not that much money for a startup.
		They're not going to steal your idea.
		They're going to hire you to make it.
		But people get scared, you know?
		Cenk Uygur came here and was like, you know, it's funny because, you know what's really funny about Cenk Uygur is 2014, yeah, I think it's like 2014, I meet up with him in Los Angeles, like I saw him at VidCon, shake his hand, and we're talking, and I'm talking about doing YouTube stuff and what I'm seeing, and I was talking about how I tried running ads on Young Turks because we were promoting a documentary and it wouldn't work, and he's like, really?
		And he was like, what happened?
		And I'm explaining how much we bid.
		I was like, here's our total budget amount.
		Here's what we bid.
		And we wanted to run on Young Turks because it was politically minded individuals in the space.
		This is well before the Trump era.
		So things weren't that crazy.
		He was totally cool.
		Three years later, he's screaming in my face at Politicon about being a MAGA Trump guy, just blew up in my face screaming.
		And now we're seven years later and he's coming on the show and he's saying, oh, everything's back to normal.
		I'm just like, okay, dude.
		Well, you know, whatever, man.
		All right.
		Let's see.
		Mustak Rakish says, How do you think Taylor would feel if someone posted a picture of Daniel Pearl and said, We want more of this, followed by her own photo?
		Who's that?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Is that the guy who got his head taken off?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the journalist.
unidentified		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, dude.
unidentified		She'd be screaming, The far right!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they said, look, I'm not saying I want it, but it's the public sentiment.
		They don't like the press.
		That's true.
		All right.
		Jacob Aldi says, Georgian prime minister has started his brutal crackdown on the pro-EU protesters.
		He called in the military to start wiping out protesters.
		He just stated he would gladly use torture to do so.
		Evil.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		So Ravia says, manga, anime, live movie, Parasite.
		The Maxim featured mothers protecting their child, including human-eating parasite that gave birth to a human baby.
		Is that the one where, like, the aliens...
		Have you seen this one?
		So it's like, the aliens will come and infect your head, and then they look normal, but their head can mutate into a gigantic alien weird thing, and it takes over your body.
		But then in the anime, in the manga, I think it is, the alien that infects this one guy accidentally gets his hand.
		So his hand is like a weird alien thing, but he has full control of his body.
		Something like that.
		I think...
		Seven years ago.
		Aliens came to this planet and infected the minds of a large portion of this population.
		And that's why their IQs have dropped so precipitously.
		I'm kidding, by the way, but it's very much like, what is it called?
		Invasion?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Invasion by Nicole Kidman.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Great one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		With Nicole Kidman from 2007 where an astronaut comes back with a fungal parasite.
		That infects you.
		If it infects you and you go to sleep, the hormones you release in REM sleep activate the fungus, which then turns you into a hive, alien-controlled, and they vomit on people to spread the disease.
		Pretty sure Rick and Morty made fun of the film, did a parody of it.
		And then in the movie, they develop a vaccine and cure everybody.
		But it really does feel like that happened, doesn't it?
		Around the COVID lockdowns?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Vision of the Body Snatchers, for sure, if you watch that.
		I know that one quite well.
		That's where we're living.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's when, um, what's-his-face goes...
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, um, he just passed away, uh, Sutherland.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		He points and screams famously.
		Let's go!
		Polypure says, you feel better about yourself when you have a job.
		My father worked until 80 and my grandfather worked until 94, even though both didn't have to.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so there's that documentary HBO did like 20 years ago about Blue Zones.
		I think it was HBO. These are areas where people live to be over 100. They said there are seven things that they identified that they believe leads to longevity, one of which is they only eat till they're 80% full.
		They never eat till they're full.
		But the most important thing was they have purpose.
		And so there's this one scene where there's this old 90-year-old Japanese guy chopping wood, and they ask him, why are you doing this?
		Shouldn't someone younger be doing this?
		And he's like, what?
		No one will do this.
		If I don't do it, no one will do it.
		I have to do it.
		And so that's why he's alive, because he has to do it.
		I think that's a component of...
		Correct me if I'm wrong, too.
		Isn't it true that if babies aren't touched, they die?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Skin-to-skin contact is hugely important in the early hours of a child's life.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But not just in the early hours.
		I heard that...
		I could be wrong, but I've heard that if, like, you leave a baby unattended for, like, a moderately short period of time, and I'm not saying, like, for a few minutes, but I'm not...
		It's like...
		The baby won't starve to death if it's deprived of human contact.
		It just dies.
		You've heard that?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I haven't heard that, but I know of stories from back home of infants being abandoned in hotels for days and still making it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Really?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		How old infants?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Like, just born.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Just born?
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		And left in a toilet, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It was a horrible story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		I think the cop actually adopted.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I just Googled it.
		Physical touch, emotional contention, and social interaction.
		Without this, babies can suffer severe consequences, including death.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If deprived of human conduct.
		I always thought that was really interesting because an otherwise healthy baby that has enough energy within it to survive would just die if deprived of contact.
		And these are probably very specific circumstances if they do tend to happen at whatever rate.
		But then hearing about how people who don't have jobs, people who retire have the highest rate of mortality, it feels like an evolutionary component within humans to survive.
		Basically, what did Ian call it?
		Apoptosis?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		You know what it's called?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When cells self-destruct if they become damaged or useless.
		So it would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint.
		If you're an old person, if you're an older person and you're in a tribe of people and you're not doing any work or contributing, you are a drag on the energy requirements of that tribe.
		So it makes sense that your body would be like shutting down.
		Tribes where the people who are no longer contributing pass on quickly are more successful than tribes of people where they have to maintain a large elderly population.
		So maybe that's why people who work and that's also why babies who are deprived of human contact just cease being alive.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they're not part of the tribe.
		They're not growing.
		It's not an efficient use of energy resources.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		It's why lockdowns were so destructive to the world.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Jen Desai says the ACA mandates health insurance companies can only use 20 percent of premiums to pay for their operations.
		80 percent has to go to health care.
		Look up ACA 8020 rule ACA wrecked health insurance.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Harry Lawrence says, UHD is part of Optum.
		Optum made mucho money by implementing the Obama portal for the ACA. Then each state also hired them to create their portals as well.
		The ACA made all of this get worse for everybody.
		Yo, I was pissed when they introduced the individual mandates.
		You remember that?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, dude, I don't make enough money to be forced to pay for this.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so now they're basically like, well, you have to sign up and pay this per month.
		I'm like, can't.
		And they're like, don't worry, we'll tax you at the end of the year.
		And I'm like, so I don't get healthcare and I lose money?
		That's awesome.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Scumbags.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I had to go on the healthcare exchange when I first started working at The Spectator because they weren't incorporated in the U.S. yet, so they could only offer healthcare to their U.K. employees.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		And it was $1,200 in a monthly premium for a normal PPO plan.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I had health insurance.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		I was 27 and healthy, not on any medication, nothing.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I had health insurance through my ex-wife's company, and they stopped providing for families, and it was extremely expensive to buy it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember exactly what it was back then, but it was ridiculous, and it was a mess of a policy.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		By our third kid, we were like, we're not going to the hospital this time, we're doing this at home.
		Screw it all.
		And it was way better.
		Much better experience.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's good.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Not everyone can do it, you know?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		When we were, with our first, we didn't know any better.
		We didn't know about home bursts like that.
		But now, you know, on our third, it was great.
		And a little cheaper.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I don't know that I would want the first to be a home birth, but if you're talking about second and third, I think that it's probably more likely because I just feel like there's more things that can go wrong and also the lack of experience, the first one.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You just need someone in the hospital to advocate for you to not go through all the stuff that they force you, that they think they can force you to do.
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		So true.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Because they try to do everything.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Oh sure, yeah.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		You gotta just go in there being like, nope.
		And you could do that.
		It's your baby.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Illuminati says, UnitedHealth is facing lawsuits alleging patients died as a result of medical malpractice, denying them life-saving care they were entitled to.
		The industry has been getting away with murder for far too long.
		I do not disagree.
		Insurance companies, the big pharma companies, the whole healthcare industry is a mess.
		It's a disaster.
		But the problems are not solved by these vigilante people in the streets doing messed up Ish, if you know what I mean.
		We need, there's a solution to what ails us, and it is getting in Akash Patel, getting in a Donald Trump.
		We are so close to at least the opening of the gates of a populist victory with Donald Trump's second term and the people he's already chosen.
		Hegseth is sounding pretty good.
		We'll see.
		A lot of these people seem fairly moderate.
		They're not the hard—like Matt Gaetz was the nuclear bomb.
		Kash Patel's not some crazy, unhinged, burn the FBI down kind of guy.
		He's fairly moderate.
		He didn't say he's going to fire the FBI. He didn't say he's going to abolish it.
		He said he's going to go have him solve crimes.
		So they should be happy with that.
		And Hegseth is not some hippie libertarian anti-war guy either, but he's going to listen to our soldiers.
		He's going to do a better job of it.
		With what's going on in the healthcare industry, you look at the power that the people on X have when they express their opinions and Trump listens, like when he got rid of Chronister, I'm saying we are so close to seeing major victories and reformation and accountability The stupidest thing anybody could do is engage in violence like this.
		If it is ideologically driven, these leftists are nuts.
		They're just going to ruin everything.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're good at.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		Maybe that's the point.
		People are crazy.
		All right.
		Shooter McKevin says, let's not forget that Taylor Lorenz's uncle runs, is involved with the Internet Archive, and allegedly wiped her upper-class history.
		Ironic on the celebration.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But you don't need to be related to someone for that.
		You could hire a service, and they're not expensive.
		I mean, they're more expensive.
		Like, the average person's not going to pay for it, but for the average public figure, you pay a couple grand and a company will go and just wipe the Internet of your existence.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Still interesting.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody.
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		For whatever that's worth, you can put doctor in your name because I said so.
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		Amber, do you want to shout anything out?
amber athey ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You can follow me on X at AmberMarieDuke and also check out my book, The Snowflakes Revolt.
		That's available on Amazon, Bookshop, or wherever you buy your books.
shane cashman ▲ ● ▼		Awesome.
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		We'll see you there.
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