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Oct. 28, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Democrats FURIOUS Over Kill Tony Puerto Rico Joke At Trump MSG Rally w/James O'Keefe | Timcast IRL
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ian crossland
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james okeefe
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tim pool
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mary morgan
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tim walz
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tim pool
Thank you.
I think Jimmy Carter also accepted the nomination in the late 70s.
So it's not particularly weird at all that a political rally would be held at Madison Square Garden.
But of course, MSNBC is saying that it was a Nazi rally and the Democrats are all running out screaming that Trump is Hitler.
I guess that's the October surprise because that's the only thing they have eight days out from the election.
But OK, whatever.
But anyway, at that rally, Tony Hinchcliffe of Kill Tony made several off color jokes.
And everybody's mad about it.
Actually, a bunch of Republicans are mad about it.
But I think all the middle of the road people who are supporting Trump really don't care that Tony Hinchcliffe said that there's an island of garbage in the middle of the ocean.
I think it's called Puerto Rico.
He's making a joke.
It's averting your expectations.
They're losing their minds over this.
And, well, I think it's all they've got.
It's kind of sad that it's all they got.
So we'll talk about that.
Then we've got this crazy story out of Portland and Washington where ballot boxes were torched.
This time, it's legit.
There's video from local news outlets.
Somebody threw explosives in a ballot box.
I can only imagine more shenanigans is going to be happening like this.
A bunch of court rulings have come in about whether or not mail-in votes can be accepted.
Of course, in Mississippi, we got the ruling that if the ballot comes day of or after, I'm sorry, if the ballot comes after, even if it's postmark day of, No good.
It's illegal.
But now Nevada is saying, actually, if it's not done properly, it can be brought in within three days of the election.
And in Pennsylvania, Republicans lost.
They're now saying, like, even if the ballot's not done properly, you can still count it.
So we're going to talk about all that stuff, my friends.
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james okeefe
Hello, Tim.
tim pool
James, who are you?
unidentified
Hello.
james okeefe
A lot to talk about.
A lot going on in the world.
tim pool
Yeah, you're going to be covering Plush by Stone Temple Pilots.
james okeefe
I'm excited mostly about that.
I love music and dancing and joy.
tim pool
Well, it's not allowed.
You're not allowed to do that.
james okeefe
Not allowed.
Not allowed.
Yeah, a lot of...
tim pool
You've had a couple of really big stories recently, and one of them was that some election official was yelling at you for dancing.
james okeefe
Yeah, that was the video.
tim pool
It's not the real story, but...
james okeefe
No, but it's always the reaction to the action that's actually the most interesting.
And this is in Maricopa County.
We have like 200 people recording inside poll locations.
And the story wasn't even that big of a story.
It was just I wanted them to know that we're on the inside.
And the Maricopa County election officials like freaked out and one of them started attacking the fact that I dance.
tim pool
Well, have you considered not dancing?
unidentified
No.
james okeefe
It's just completely bizarre.
tim pool
You can moonwalk really well.
james okeefe
I can moonwalk.
I can breakdance.
I've done Oklahoma.
But a lot of Republicans don't like this about me.
I don't understand why they were attacking the Democratic Convention.
They were dancing.
Since when?
Communists attack dancing.
So I don't quite understand that one.
tim pool
But then you've got another movie coming out.
Or you have a movie that came out already, I believe, right?
Line in the Sand.
james okeefe
Line in the Sand is a big one.
And it took me a year so we can talk about that.
tim pool
We gotta talk about it because I was getting riled up watching it.
I'll just say it before we move on to Ian, of course.
When you showed all of these people who know they're doing something wrong, and you can see the look on their face, and they always respond with, well, I'm just doing my job, which literally translates to, I know what I'm doing is wrong.
I mean, it's crazy.
james okeefe
Yeah, I'd like to talk about that.
unidentified
Bringing in trafficking.
tim pool
We'll get into all this stuff.
Ian's hanging out.
ian crossland
Yeah, I guess it makes you a quintuple threat.
You're a musician, actor, dancer, director, and journalist.
That's maybe why.
And DJ. Oh, and DJ. A sextuple threat to my right over here.
James O'Keefe, ladies and gentlemen.
Happy to be here, guys.
Ian Crossland in the house.
Let's rock and roll, Mary.
mary morgan
Big fan of oligarchy, by the way.
james okeefe
Oh, you know that one?
mary morgan
Yeah, that one's a bop.
james okeefe
I like that.
mary morgan
I should introduce myself, though.
My name is Mary.
You will usually find me on a show called Pop Culture Crisis here at TimCast, but I'm happy to be back on IRL. James just lit up.
tim pool
He's like, you know my song.
james okeefe
I just want to talk about music the whole time.
mary morgan
We can do that.
Let's do that.
james okeefe
Is that a Gen Z term?
mary morgan
Bob, well, it's actually gone through an evolution where it kind of means the same thing as thought now.
james okeefe
Is it like The Riz?
mary morgan
It used to mean a really good song.
james okeefe
Okay.
The Riz?
mary morgan
Not the same thing.
james okeefe
I don't even know these Gen Z terms.
ian crossland
You have the riz.
james okeefe
You're old.
tim pool
That means charisma.
mary morgan
Are you feeling the riz?
ian crossland
I am feeling the riz.
Every time he walks in the room, yeah.
Also, you, Mary.
You're holding it down.
You got the riz as well.
tim pool
All right, let's jump to the first story.
We've got this from the BBC. Backlash after a comedian at Trump rally calls Puerto Rico an island of garbage.
Tony Hinchcliffe is a hilarious guy.
Kill Tony is a massive show.
It's wildly successful.
And it's ridiculous that they're...
You know what this is?
Let me just put it this way.
They can't go after Dave Chappelle in much the same way.
He's too big.
They try to go after Joe Rogan, but he's too big.
Tony's relatively new.
I don't want to act like he's just completely new, but Kill Tony is skyrocketing.
It's not Dave Chappelle levels yet, but he did sell out Madison Square Garden, I think twice.
So they're banking off of people not knowing who he is.
What they're doing now is Tony Hinchcliffe opens this rally with comedy.
He rags on everybody.
It's what comedians do.
But you now see Geraldo Rivera.
You see the view.
They're trying to make it seem like Donald Trump himself called Puerto Rico an island of garbage.
But let me play for you what Tony actually said.
tony hinchcliffe
It is absolutely wild times.
It really, really is.
And, you know, there's a lot going on.
Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now.
Yeah, I think it's called Puerto Rico.
Okay, alright.
tim pool
He got mixed laughing and jeers.
A bunch of Republicans are actually mad about this too.
They're saying that it's a mistake in the 11th hour to bring out an insult comic at the biggest political rally to close out your campaign by insulting everyone.
It's gonna get weaponized.
james okeefe
I don't know.
He does the roasts.
It strikes me as a roast comic.
Is that the appropriate place for a roast comic?
I don't know.
It's unconventional, right?
tim pool
Do you think it was a mistake to have this guy at a political rally?
james okeefe
It's a tough call.
ian crossland
Tony, I mean, geez, it is, he's like the hardest core, not hardcore comedian.
tim pool
I think this was Barron.
ian crossland
Barron was like, you gotta get Tony Inchcliffe.
tim pool
Yep.
Barron, so, we've been saying for a long time, like, Trump needs to go on Kill Tony, but that's different.
That's Trump ragging on people, too.
That's him sitting around with a bunch of guys and everyone's making jokes.
I think what happens is they're like, okay, well, we don't got time.
It's the campaign.
Barron probably said, kill Tony is huge.
Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, you got to do these shows.
And so they said, let's get Tony Hinchcliffe to do comedy at Madison Square Garden.
And I thought it was hilarious.
I thought it was funny.
I heard this before the backlash.
And I just laughed.
ian crossland
And after that, he's like, oh, okay, you're getting it now.
I'm not used to following the national anthem.
tim pool
Right.
ian crossland
And it's like, it's Tony, you know, I'm doing his Tony...
Maybe it was a...
Maybe it was a...
I don't know if you'd call it a mistake, but maybe it's like you don't have a roast insult comic right before the most heated political...
tim pool
Yeah, I guess the argument is, if it costs Trump even a single vote, was it worth it?
ian crossland
And, like, Trump can't get any more famous, so, like, drawing eyeballs isn't...
james okeefe
But I don't think it hurt him or help him.
I mean, remember in 2016 how saying, as Joe Rogan pointed out, saying all that crazy shit kind of actually helped him because it made him more authentic.
So I don't think it helps him lose a vote or gain a vote.
I think it keeps...
tim pool
I kind of feel like anybody who's planning on voting for Trump because World War III is about to start or because they can't afford grocery bills is not going to be swayed by an opening comic making an off-color joke.
mary morgan
But more importantly, is the joke funny?
james okeefe
It's an insult.
It's a roast joke.
Are these roast things funny?
mary morgan
If it's funny, that means it has a seed of truth in it.
james okeefe
Have you seen this guy roast Kim Kardashian?
I'm not even going to say it on the air what he said, but have you seen what he said at these roasts?
I'm not saying it.
ian crossland
So I'm doing Tom Brady really hard.
unidentified
You can play it.
james okeefe
Yeah, you can play it.
tim pool
I don't know that it's necessarily so much that it has to have a seed of truth.
I think it was a subversion of expectation, right?
There's a lot going on, and you think he's talking about the Pacific garbage patch, and then he says, Puerto Rico!
And that's more like ribbing on your buddy.
Like, if I say Ian's like a crazy hippie, you know, it's like an exaggeration of what Ian actually is or whatever, to whatever degree.
Like, if we mention Ian's doing DMT or whatever, Ian actually doesn't do DMT, he just looks like it.
I have done DMT. So it's not that it's true to say, like, Ian snorts graphene.
ian crossland
It's not true.
tim pool
It's just true that Ian likes it, and so we're making fun of him by hyper-exaggerating what it is that he does.
ian crossland
You don't want to breathe that stuff in, though.
tim pool
No, you don't.
ian crossland
But the thing is, Puerto Rico wasn't in the room to defend himself.
mary morgan
Who is this Puerto Rican Trump supporter in the crowd who's like, that's it, I'm throwing down my MAGA hat, I'm done.
ian crossland
They're still going to vote for Trump.
mary morgan
It's not a person that exists.
unidentified
Yeah.
james okeefe
Am I allowed to play this clip of him roasting if it's a little obscene?
I just texted it to you.
tim pool
What is it?
james okeefe
Quote, if liberals can't handle a little comedy from a comedian, this will surely melt their minds.
It's him at this roast.
It's a minute and a half long.
I watched it.
It's a roast comedy, you know?
tim pool
Well, maybe if we don't know what it is, considering we're a week out from the election.
james okeefe
It's a little raunchy.
tim pool
Well, then we'll save it for the members only after you sing Plush by Stone Temple Pilots.
james okeefe
Sounds good.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
He's going to sing.
james okeefe
I'm going to sing.
ian crossland
Yeah, we played it before the show.
I got it.
I got on lock on the guitar.
tim pool
You know, the the let me pull up the Polymarket, actually.
So Polymarket is the closest you can get to real time sentiment or predictions.
And Trump's at 66 percent to win.
I don't think anyone cares.
You know, and look, no disrespect to Tony.
I don't think anyone cares.
They're desperately trying to make this an issue to care about.
And what I'm seeing is, like, the Krasensteins, of course, they were like, oh, I can't believe he would make this joke.
And I'm like, bro, are you kidding?
And then one of them responded, what would I say if Kamala Harris had a comic who came out and said something shocking and off-putting?
I don't know.
How about this?
unidentified
Donald Trump said he was going to build a wall.
And George Lopez said...
You better build it in one day because if you leave that material out there overnight...
tim pool
What's going to happen, George?
What's going to happen?
What happens if you leave your material right on the Mexican border?
james okeefe
Right.
tim pool
What's the implication there, George?
ian crossland
Are you implying it's going to be stolen?
tim pool
This is a Harris Waltz rally in Arizona.
And yes, literally the joke is that Mexicans will steal your stuff.
I don't care!
ian crossland
That was a good joke.
mary morgan
Yeah, I know!
Cancel that white lady in the back who's laughing.
tim pool
Oh, wait, whoa, there's a white lady laughing?
There's two of them!
mary morgan
Two!
No, three!
Cancel them, now!
tim pool
And lookit, she's covering her face because she knows she's going to get cancelled for laughing.
This is it.
The view goes on this extended tirade where they're freaking out.
And Sonny Hostin is like, this Puerto Rican Donald Trump believes that Puerto Rico is beautiful.
And it's like, Trump didn't even say it.
The Trump campaign said the joke does not represent their campaign or whatever.
And I think, you know what, man?
Maybe the appropriate response from the Trump campaign would have been to just respond by saying, and I quote, Donald Trump said he was going to build a wall.
unidentified
And George Lopez said, you better build it in one day, because if you leave that material out there overnight.
tim pool
That's just should have been the exact response with the quote and the video and been like, here you go.
So they're acting like they're mad at Trump.
It's just fake.
It's all fake.
james okeefe
Yeah, it's all fake and people want authenticity and they're reading between the lines and that's why Trump's doing so well, just like he did in 2016.
tim pool
But you have Republicans coming out being like, oh, I can't believe that.
james okeefe
Because I think those Republicans crave to be liked by the powers that be.
It's an opportunity to get your name in the New York Times and it's an incentive for you to be, you know, get a little dig in on your friends.
tim pool
I imagine, too, these Republicans don't dance.
james okeefe
Definitely they'll dance.
Why are you dancing?
Why are you singing?
Stick to politics.
ian crossland
You had a guy say that to you?
james okeefe
That's my voice for women and critics.
mary morgan
Who are these people that hate your music career?
james okeefe
I think a lot of people don't like that I sing and dance.
I did this musical, Oklahoma, and people were just viciously attacked.
Be serious.
People really understand, journalism is an art.
Like, I don't think you could be a very good storyteller without having a kind of a rhythm and a sense of music and timing and cadence and all these things.
So we need more dancing and singing, in my opinion, in politics.
But you don't see that very often.
ian crossland
I think that's 100%.
That's, God willing, what I've been doing on this show for four years, just lightening it up a little bit because it's so easy to get angry and forget.
I think a lot of cultures have said that the canaries in the coal mine, when it comes to the political violence in the political realm, is the comedians.
If the comedians start to get demonized, you're in a world of hurt.
You're in a real world of hurt.
tim pool
We've been there for a long time.
ian crossland
You can see people trying to do it.
They tried to demonize Rogan with the whole horse-paced stuff, CNN, and he kind of just watered off a duck's back, kept moving forward because he's a strong man and you need people to be able to weather this stuff and not self-cancel and be like, I'm sorry, I won't make jokes anymore.
So this is kind of a moment for Tony and all the people around Tony are like, what are we going to do?
I think he's insulated and in a safe and strong enough position where he can keep doing what he does and not take it personally.
tim pool
AOC was on a stream with Tim Waltz, and I'll just play a little bit of it for you because no one really wants to hear them talk for a long time.
tony hinchcliffe
Let's try and get it to play.
We're getting there.
tim walz
Who is that jackwad?
Who is that guy?
unidentified
Actually, I think that's Tony Hinchcliffe, which is super disappointing.
I mean, he's a comedian.
tim pool
What's disappointing about it?
Everybody knows what Tony does.
That's why he was invited to do comedy here.
What is she disappointed about?
unidentified
Um...
I don't follow this, like, crew very closely.
tim walz
This issue with Puerto Rico, again, I saw it.
This was what, when he went down after Helene, the horrific hurricane people that Rico, it was absolutely horrific.
Down there insulting people, throwing it.
Look, I know that the folks who are on here today understand this.
People in Puerto Rico are citizens.
unidentified
They pay taxes and they serve in the military at almost a higher rate than anybody else.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like super upsetting.
Obviously, it's super upsetting to me.
My family is from Puerto Rico.
I'm Puerto Rican.
And like...
tim pool
You see, here's the point I want to make by showing this.
She knows she's in a difficult position to communicate to young people why you can't have fun and make jokes.
james okeefe
Yeah, there's an element of artifice in politics.
And we turn the channel and watch a raunchy show and it's acceptable.
So that's the thing.
There's a lack of equilibrium between these different platforms.
That's why I don't think this stuff really matters.
I think that people are just, they just can't pay for groceries and Right.
tim pool
But I think beyond that, if you're 18 or 19 and you're not even necessarily in the workforce yet, maybe you're still in school, you're listening to Rogan and you're laughing.
You're goofing off.
These young guys are going out and they're whacking each other in the balls and then laughing about it.
They're taking their towels and then whipping each other and goofing.
unidentified
And she's going like, oh, it's really disappointing and upsetting to hear this.
tim pool
But I feel like the reason she's not doing the heavy outrage like The View is doing is because she knows she's supposed to be Democrats communicating to younger people who are going to respond with, are you really mad about this, AOC? Do you think she actually believes what she's saying?
No, absolutely not.
unidentified
That's the problem.
james okeefe
It's a lack of authenticity.
tim pool
She has to mix, I'm a Democrat, so I have to be mad, with, I'm also a young person and I'm supposed to be edgy.
And you just, that's why she's like, mm, it's upsetting, mm, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, because she probably loves Tony.
I get the vibe that she thinks he's hilarious as a comedian, and now she's like, oh, I gotta crap on this guy?
It's Hinchcliffe.
tim pool
He sold out Madison Square Garden twice, and she's going to rag on him?
She's screwed in New York.
ian crossland
In this same interview, they're talking about how, did you hear there was an Ebola outbreak after Trump worked at McDonald's?
Oh yeah, he got Ebola on his hands.
Like, joking about offensive stuff that's not true, and they were joking.
And that's okay to do.
Yeah, in the same interview with these two dudes.
mary morgan
He's on Twitch too, right?
ian crossland
I don't know.
mary morgan
AOC has a Twitch channel.
Like, this is the world we live in.
tim pool
And she's streaming with Tim Waltz.
And then Tim Waltz said something about how she can run a mean pick six, and all of these football fans got really mad because they were like, that doesn't mean anything.
But I don't know anything about football, so I can't fact check it.
ian crossland
Pick six?
tim pool
Yeah, I have no idea.
ian crossland
Is that not a basketball term?
mary morgan
The Mountain Dew next to him, the picture of him about to do the stream, it was just like, yuck.
ian crossland
Oh, that was so gross.
What's he drinking that stuff for?
mary morgan
I mean, having the gaming controller...
Okay, fine.
I get it.
This is a Twitch stream.
But the Mountain Dew next to him, it was just like you jumped the shark with that one.
tim pool
So here we go.
We've got this tweet from Mary L. Trump.
And it wasn't just her.
It was MSNBC actually played footage from the 1939 Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden.
She says, so we're really doing this again.
Eyes wide open.
And it's just Trump's rally in New York.
These are New Yorkers!
These are people who are overwhelmingly—like, these people at this rally are probably moderates.
And then she shows an image of the Nazi rally in 1939.
We got this tweet from Aaron Rugenberg.
He says, This is it.
Ladies and gentlemen, the October surprise has dropped.
Trump is Hitler.
I can't believe it.
james okeefe
Reductio ad Hitlerium.
Is that what they call it?
Because Hitler is the only example of evil that the left has.
So everything that's bad is Hitler.
Yeah.
tim pool
I never saw this coming.
I can't believe that.
If I knew Trump was Hitler, I wouldn't have been supporting him this whole time.
But, you know, now we're here, and apparently, if you hold a political rally, it's a Nazi rally.
The Democrats held a rally in 1992, and I think 78?
I think they did it a lot, actually.
Actually, they also had one in 1924, where they were trying to figure out whether to approve of the Ku Klux Klan.
So...
This is modern politics for you, I guess.
I suppose it's indicative of Trump winning if they've got nothing to go after him on.
james okeefe
I think they're freaking out.
Yeah.
I think they're freaking out.
Yeah.
I wouldn't have said that a few weeks ago, but I usually say it's 50-50 odds, but I think they're freaking out.
And all this stuff helps them.
Like I said, there's a lack of artifice in politics, and people want sincerity, and they're tired of the BS. That's just the way the American people are right now.
So all these tactics are probably going to help them, I would think.
tim pool
Do you think, so in the past couple of weeks, we've seen Trump, he's now winning nationally.
He's up by like 0.1.
So it's margin of error territory, but he does have the lead of the national polls.
And there's now some speculating that he could win the popular vote and the Electoral College.
I wonder, why do you think that is?
I mean, the number one issues right now are economics and immigration.
You just did this film exploring the issue.
I'm wondering if you think...
It kind of feels like when Kamala did this press tour and she couldn't speak and then just called Trump Hitler over and over again, that's when things started to shift.
But I'm wondering if people ever actually thought Kamala could deal with a border crisis or an economic crisis at all.
james okeefe
Yeah, I mean, the film, we approached it from a humanitarian crisis.
That's how I approached it.
So a lot of times the left says, you know, close the borders is anti-immigrant.
But we approached it, these people are being taken advantage of, which kind of inverted the whole thing on its head.
And everyone seemed to be making money off of it, too.
It was the corruption that we exposed in the film.
Everyone's making money off this crisis.
tim pool
Yeah, that's crazy.
Those two guys were like, I get a good job, you know?
james okeefe
Everyone's getting paid off.
So that's not really a left or right thing.
That's just a corrupt thing.
And are you pro-corruption or are you anti-corruption?
That's how it's framed.
tim pool
Yeah, but everybody these days are pro – like not everybody, but a lot of people are pro-corruption.
james okeefe
I don't think people even see it that way.
So first you have to describe the problem precisely.
You got 300,000 missing kids.
A lot of those kids get trafficked or raped or put with sponsors.
We don't know where the children are.
And in the film, you actually see these little girls all alone in the desert.
It becomes very real, very real very fast, and it's emotionally overwhelming to people.
So I don't think that's a right wing or left wing.
I think that's just, do you want to save these kids?
Do you want to stop the humanitarian crisis?
And put that way, you got to reform it.
You can't have open borders.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
You were saying girls are getting put alone in the desert?
james okeefe
Yeah, so in this film, Line in the Sand, it's a real unscripted documentary, and we actually see little girls all alone wandering around.
The real people that we encountered at the border wall without parents, and they're drugged.
And they're put in these homes with what they're calling sponsors.
But unlike the foster care system, they don't vet who the sponsor is in the United States.
So there's a lot of trafficking of people.
And this is as a result of this open border situation.
tim pool
that and the film uh there's a few moments in the film that people were crying pretty wild yeah i feel like this is largely why we see i suppose in a more in more in depth the trump popularity or the mega movement or whatever i see this corruption and at the root of it going outside of economics and immigration there's a part in the film where there are these two border guards and They're border guards, right?
These two guys.
They're talking about how much money they make.
james okeefe
Yes.
tim pool
They're like $28.50.
Is that what it was?
$28.50.
james okeefe
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
And they're like, this problem's not going away.
We're getting paid.
james okeefe
Yeah.
tim pool
And you basically, there's another scene where there's a woman driving a bus, and she's just like, I'm just doing what my job is.
james okeefe
I'm just doing my job.
tim pool
But they say it in a way where you can hear the actual translation of, I know I am doing something wrong.
james okeefe
So this is a really fascinating it's a biblical and it's a tale as old as time.
But at what point does being weak make you evil?
And throughout this film, all these people, police officers, border patrol agents, border patrol agents are literally facilitating the trafficking of the people.
They don't do any law enforcement, the border patrol.
The cartel says we're sending 1,000 people over.
The border patrol says, okay, we'll process them.
So a lot of these border patrol agents have become alcoholics, suicidal.
And at the end of the film, we meet this border patrol agent who's heroic and he blows the whistle.
His name is Zachary.
And he's crying.
He's in his patrol vehicle.
This is like the ending of the film.
But Tim, it's remarkable to see all these people saying, if we stop the border crisis, then I can't feed my family because I don't have a paycheck.
Now that's wild.
That's like saying, I need to facilitate the child trafficking so that I can feed my children.
tim pool
I feel like this is not just within immigration crisis, but everything across the country.
And I think we're getting to the point where people are just saying, we can't live like this.
We need people of honor who are going to say, you know, I look at this much like bribery.
So I heard a story from Kim.com.
He told a funny story about how he was driving through Russia, and you get pulled over, and it's like the bribes are expected.
He was basically saying that.
You get pulled over to the cops.
They don't care about what's just or what's not.
You give them a bribe.
Have you guys been watching Penguin?
You've seen Penguin?
Oh, you're not watching Penguin, your pop culture crisis?
james okeefe
The movie or the show?
tim pool
The show.
james okeefe
I didn't know there was a show.
tim pool
It's really good.
It's on Max.
And there's a scene where this dude's got money.
A cop stops him.
And the cop says, that's a lot of money for a young person.
And the kid goes, I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't have any money.
And the cop goes, oh, you're right.
And then keeps the money.
When you have people who are just like, I got to feed my family and I don't care.
That's when they're willing to take bribes.
They know they're doing something wrong.
And we are one degree above bribery becoming a normal thing in this country.
I think regular people are sick of it.
They're sick of seeing border agents like Dr. Phil endorse Donald Trump.
He talked on The View about how children are being sex trafficked and border patrols facilitating it.
And they know it.
That is a degree of corruption that I did not believe was possible.
james okeefe
I don't know if you can pull up this clip of Apotheker, Tim.
How do I find it?
I'm going to text it to you right now, actually.
He's crying in his patrol vehicle, and it's deeply moving.
You sent it to me on Twitter?
Would your preference text text you?
tim pool
X, X, because I can pull on the computer.
james okeefe
Okay, very good.
Well, we'll keep talking while I pull it up.
But this is this evil of, this is this aspect of line in the sand.
Where do you draw the line?
Because most people's, I say my price is my life, and I mean that.
You have to kill me to stop me.
But Tim, most people's price is actually their children's life.
People will do anything to protect their family, rightfully so.
tim pool
Even sacrificing other innocent children.
james okeefe
But then the question is, and throughout history, what would happen is, especially in the Soviet Union, you and I have talked about this, is that people will do anything to protect their children.
But what happens when you have to do evil things to feed your family?
So it's this really interesting kind of biblical kind of thing that we explore in the film.
And you meet so many weak people, so many people in this movie.
I'm just doing my job.
I'm just doing my job until you meet someone who is not weak.
What's your at on the X? Timcast.
Timcast, okay.
I'm going to text this to you right now.
tim pool
Michael Malice said that there is no law— It's in your DM. What is the quote from Michael Mayer?
Something like, there is no law so depraved that a police officer would not follow it up to and including the execution of children.
ian crossland
Something like that.
tim pool
And a lot of people immediately say a cop would never do that you don't understand.
And, no, I think a lot of people don't understand what Michael is saying.
He's not saying that your average cop will just go murder a kid for no reason.
He's saying, under the appropriate pressures, people will do evil things for their families, for their children.
And, uh...
james okeefe
That's a very interesting theme.
It's in your DM. If you could just pull it up.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm getting it right here.
james okeefe
Zachary Apotheker.
He's a Border Patrol agent on the Canadian border.
People don't realize.
If you could go ahead and reset that.
tim pool
Yeah, Instagram's never good with videos.
james okeefe
Correct.
ian crossland
There was a slider bar.
unidentified
One thing.
When a girl like Lincoln Riley's jogging down in Georgia...
Yeah.
When a girl like Lincoln Riley's...
When a girl like Lincoln Riley is jogging, she's top of her class at nursing, and we sign those fucking files, man.
That's blood on our hands.
That's blood on your hands.
And that's a joke, maybe, to you.
You just keep collecting that check.
But let me ask you this.
If it was your mother, or your sister, or your aunt, How would you feel?
Okay, so that was a never-see A federal agent in uniform.
james okeefe
That's very rare.
He's been disciplined as a result of saying those things to me.
But there you have a man.
That's the archetype of an individual who has drawn his line in the sand and said, I cannot live with myself.
I am willing to lose my pension because I care more about the truth, my conscience, than my $130,000 a year salary.
And those are the types of people that fascinate me.
mary morgan
Why would he be disciplined for saying those things to you?
What rule did he break?
james okeefe
Because we live in a corrupt and broken world.
None of the other agents in the film were disciplined for speaking to me.
So because he told the truth, that's why he was disciplined.
And to tell the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act, to quote George Orwell.
tim pool
So there are people who, like in this film, you have this woman driving a bus, this older lady, and she's like, I'm just doing what my job is.
You know, she knows what she's doing is wrong.
james okeefe
You can see it in her face.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And these border guards who are like, well, we're getting paid.
We get $28 an hour.
This is never going to stop.
These people are thinking, look man, keep your head down, shut up, take the paycheck and watch the world burn.
When you get to a point where the majority of people in your society feel this way, this is the end for your nation, for your society, for your culture, whatever it may be.
You need a greater majority of people who are willing to sacrifice for the greater good, then you have people who are willing to exploit and rip it apart.
james okeefe
Let me say two things about that.
Number one, people think it's about something more than money.
Now, that may be true.
But what I found is it's almost always about money.
Now, I was not expecting that going into the field of the desert and the Border Patrol crisis, just like in Europe.
Labor is looking for more migrant hotels.
Very important to understand that the asylum industry is a big business.
A lot of people in Europe are making fat profits.
In the United States, Health and Human Services gives like a trillion dollars, like billions of dollars to companies that house little children.
So if they stop the flow of the kids, they take away the big money salaries.
So that was actually a little surprising to me.
And in the film, Tim's talking about this moment when these two security guards are like, Well, they can't shut this down because then we can't feed our family.
So I don't know if Elon's going to come in or someone's going to come in and reform this whole thing, but you have to put a lot of people out of a job.
tim pool
He said something like that.
He said it's going to get hard for some people.
Trump's going to fire a lot of people.
james okeefe
We'll see.
It takes a tremendous amount of balls to do that.
tim pool
Well, let's let's jump to the story from K.A.T.U.
Hundreds of ballots possibly burned after Vancouver ballot box arson FBI investigating.
The scary thing here is why?
Now, the postmillennial ads also in Portland, Vancouver and Portland.
They say ballot boxes in Portland, Oregon and Vancouver, Washington were set ablaze in the early hours of Monday morning.
The Portland ballot box located in the 1000 block of southeast Morrison Street, with officers responding to reports of the fire around 330 a.m. Monday.
By the time officers arrived, security personnel working in the area extinguished the fire.
They sent a press release.
Officers determined that an incendiary device had been placed inside the ballot box to set the fire.
The Bureau's explosive disposal unit cleared the device.
The status of the ballot box inside is currently unknown.
At around 6 a.m., police responded to the area of Fisher's Landing Transit Center in Vancouver for a separate burning ballot box.
According to KATU2, first responders released a pile of burning ballots onto the ground from the box, which continued to smolder.
So we don't know how many ballots are now destroyed, how many people's votes are now disqualified.
The scary thing about this is shadow campaign.
I don't know what it means.
I don't know what we should or could expect in the next week.
Did we get stories like this in 2020?
ian crossland
No, not burning ballots.
james okeefe
No.
tim pool
Yeah, this is crazy, right?
james okeefe
No.
tim pool
And so this is not even the first.
There was an Arizona mailbox that was set on fire, and 20 or so ballots that were inside it were destroyed.
There was another story that apparently was fake news.
Apparently it was manipulation.
And there's concern.
That this is an attempt to stop Republicans from voting early, to scare them, make them think that if they vote early, their ballot could be destroyed.
I don't know.
I think there's also a possibility it gives Democrats plausible claim that if Democrats lose, they're going to say, but how many ballots were destroyed by, you know, mega extremists or something?
They might make up.
We don't know who did this, left, right or otherwise.
These are in deep blue areas.
Why destroy these ballots?
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Um, double switch.
It could be someone hated, didn't want the Portland ballots to get counted.
It could be someone who wants it to look like the opponent of the Portland voters wants their ballots to get destroyed.
tim pool
Or it could be some force, foreign or domestic, who's trying to sow chaos with an election.
ian crossland
Yes, it's domestic terrorism.
This is legit domestic terrorism where you unleash, like, Homeland Security and find out.
james okeefe
There's a heightened awareness this time around, Tim.
I mean, at OMG, we have 200 poll workers that want to film, and it just wasn't the case a few years ago.
I mean, I put out a, hey, if you want to film, send me a message.
We got like 600 emails from poll workers and election judges.
When more is at stake in an election, more people are going to do illegal things.
This is a felony, obviously.
You're going to have people – you have two assassination attempts or three, two or three assassination attempts on a president.
So you're just going to have all – there's so much scrutiny on this election that if someone is doing something improper, it's going to be recorded.
You're going to know about it.
tim pool
What happens next?
You know, there have been two legitimate attempts on the life of Donald Trump, one plot.
We now have ballots being destroyed.
I am very concerned about what comes November 5th.
james okeefe
Well, we have 200 people with cameras recording, and if there's some impropriety, we'll find out.
If it's close, we'll find out.
tim pool
What's your bigger concern in this?
Chaos and violence or just...
People here and there trying to cheat by like discarding a vote or counting it wrong or what do you think is going to happen?
james okeefe
The predict the future question.
tim pool
Don't predict the future but what is your concern?
james okeefe
The country is so divided that – the country is so – Yes.
me in jail.
Are they really going to try to put all these people in jail for political reasons?
Is that going to sit?
Okay.
But that's then there are going to be some people on the extreme who unfortunately will probably rebel against that.
That's unjust.
That's wrong.
So that's a setup for a civil war.
And I don't think the Democrats can – I don't believe in that.
I don't believe in violence.
I don't believe in any type of illegal behavior.
But my concern is the country is so divided.
But it does seem, Tim, in the last week or two – maybe I'm reading the room wrong – but that a lot of people are unifying behind Trump.
That's my sense of it.
So maybe he wins in a landslide.
tim pool
Well, I don't know if I'd say he wins in a landslide, but right now the data suggests that he gets a marginally decent victory in the popular vote and the Electoral College.
And we need this.
I'm going to say it again.
I've been screeching this for the past two weeks now.
Go vote.
Listen, if you live in California, we need you to vote even more than anybody else.
Trump winning swing states, it looks like he's going to win the swing states.
Great.
If you live in a swing state, go vote.
But now more than ever, especially the people who live in deep blue and deep red states need to vote because we got too much apathy.
In California, you got 10 million Republicans and about half of the Republicans go, it's a blue state anyway.
I'm not going to vote.
Who cares?
What's the point?
If you vote and Trump wins the popular vote, it sends a message to the far-left insane ideology that we, the American people, say no.
But if Trump wins the Electoral College and loses the popular vote, they're going to claim they have popular mandate, that Donald Trump is a usurper who is ineligible to be president, and then it will be absolute chaos.
I'm not saying it won't be chaos if Trump wins both, because who knows what they're going to do.
I'm just saying, let's have the moral high ground and get everybody to go vote.
And I'll tell you this, even in red states, if you're in a red state, you're going to go, he's going to win here anyway.
What's the point of me voting?
So that Trump wins by 10 million votes.
And you say, look at that, we win.
In Charlestown, the line for early voting was massive, stretching all the way down.
How far did it go?
Blocks?
A couple blocks?
Crazy.
That's good news.
james okeefe
I just think that if there is a conspiracy, if there is some type of illegal destruction of ballots, I think this time we're going to know about it.
I think someone out there is going to record it.
Someone's going to blow the whistle on it.
It's not possible for them to get—that's what I believe.
tim pool
Yeah, but we're not talking about a conspiracy.
We're talking about a standalone complex.
If 10,000 run-of-the-mill regular Democrats who are working voting locations in various states— It could be as simple as one guy of his own volition being like, I can't let Hitler win.
And so he says, Trump must be a no good, throws in the garbage.
Ah, Kamala.
That's Kamala.
I see.
james okeefe
You're saying no one was there to witness that.
tim pool
Well, so the issue with 2020 was that a lot of the instances that people were saying was, hey, look, this person is doing something weird with ballot counting.
You don't need a conspiracy for this.
When Kamala comes out and says Trump is Hitler, do not let him win.
That is the conspiracy right there.
I mean, not literal conspiracy.
That is the instruction.
If you are working polling locations and voting centers, what she is basically telling you is that you have to do whatever you can to stop Trump.
So what happens if 10,000 people in swing states just take it upon themselves to do something illegal?
Who's going to be tracking John Doe?
Just some random guy.
He's 36.
He got a job at a polling location.
Nobody knows or cares who he is.
He has no authority whatsoever.
And then he's just going, what does that say?
Does that say Trump?
I can't read it.
It goes in the garbage.
And then you do that a couple times, and then you end up shifting how many votes for Trump in a swing district.
james okeefe
If one person gets caught on tape doing that, man, that'll just send a shockwave through.
tim pool
Yes, but we already had in 2020 the woman who ran the ballots through multiple times, and that was never adjudicated.
The question was, did they properly get counted?
So the question was, is she re-scanning the same ballots because they're not serialized at incrementing more votes for Kamala, or were they just rejected from the scanner and she had to re-put them back in?
We don't know.
All the Trump supporters are going to claim she's tripling Kamala votes by doing that because just run them through over and over and over again.
It adds to the count.
We don't know.
If an individual does something nefarious or malicious to shift ballots in either direction, who cares?
If someone catches that person, the judge is going to say, eh, 50 votes won't change an election.
The concern is when 10,000 Democrats do something like that.
james okeefe
Well, we'll be recording if they do.
That's all I can say.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
We're still kind of in a heavily insecure voting strata, unfortunately, where we rely on pieces of paper.
And I've talked about this all last week.
tim pool
And that's the way it should be.
ian crossland
Well, except when they get lit on fire and there's no backup.
That's a big problem.
tim pool
That's the problem of early voting.
And there should not be early voting month.
Constitution says Congress provides, and Congress provides a single day for the election, and they've all started subverting the rules so they can put ballot boxes in insecure locations.
ian crossland
Also, when a girl's running the same piece of paper through a machine multiple times, if that happens, that shouldn't be possible.
tim pool
And that's why paper ballots.
You're right, Ian.
You are correct.
We should not be using the machines.
They should be hand-counted paper ballots like almost every other country does, and they can get counted in a decentralized manner at the local level where three people are looking at each count, putting it in a box, locking it, and saying, we all agree this is the number.
ian crossland
If you can do that, if you can have three people look at every ballot, what about the guy who's like, I can't read that, and he throws it away?
tim pool
That's why you have two other people.
Because then they go, what do you mean?
It says Trump.
ian crossland
So you need three people for every ballot.
I mean, what do they do?
People actually do that?
tim pool
Three people, not for every ballot.
Three people for every jurisdiction.
And they did this in Arizona.
They did it in Arizona.
unidentified
Yes, they did.
ian crossland
And you've got to hope that they're not colluding.
tim pool
Well, there's only so much you can do.
A machine's not going to actually be able to track political biases.
So you have a Democrat or Republican and a nonpartisan, and they'll all look at it, and they'll all agree, that's a Trump vote, that's a Kamala vote, that's a Trump vote, that's a Kamala vote.
They get put in a box, the number gets written down, they all sign it, it gets sealed with tamper evident tape three times, and they say, here's our number, we report it.
Every jurisdiction does that, and in a decentralized way, all the data gets fed to a centralized location, and you have a near-perfect decentralized count of the vote.
ian crossland
Guarantee that it's a Trump voter, a Kamala voter, and an independent person.
And they'll just be like...
tim pool
It's very easy.
It's called registration.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll vote.
Dude, you know how many people would register for the opposite things to go screw something?
Like, people become nefarious.
Open source code is not nefarious.
tim pool
Making an argument that you can't perfectly secure a system is not an argument against securing a system.
ian crossland
No, I'm not talking about perfectly securing anything.
I'm talking about making less insecure.
Like, we're very reliant on people's goodwill right now in this system, and that is...
tim pool
Which is why you do three people.
ian crossland
And it's very reliant on those three people's goodwill, and that is...
I don't...
tim pool
What?
ian crossland
I'm not...
I don't trust humans.
tim pool
I don't trust...
ian crossland
Why would you ever?
tim pool
I don't trust computer code I can't see.
ian crossland
Well, you just have to see the code.
tim pool
You're right.
ian crossland
I don't trust code I can't see either.
That's why the Dominion system's busted.
tim pool
And here's the problem.
I can't read code either.
I can't read code, so I reject your promise.
ian crossland
Well, then you should learn how to read the code and check it.
tim pool
That's not my responsibility.
ian crossland
Or you can be willfully ignorant, but there are people that can read the code.
tim pool
You know what I think?
We should do voting based on Magic the Gathering cards.
That'll be the verification system, because I'm an expert in that.
Other people should have to learn how to play.
ian crossland
I don't understand that, Tim.
tim pool
I should be able to use an encryption system only I know, and you have to learn.
ian crossland
Well, if it's...
What the...
What kind of argument is that?
tim pool
Arguing that a person...
ian crossland
You're not arguing a system that only one guy understands.
It's an open-source coded system where you can read the code online on GitHub.
tim pool
Arguing that a plumber has to learn how to code so that he can understand the election system is ridiculous.
ian crossland
Hey man, it's better than not having any access to it.
tim pool
Right, so we should have paper ballots, hand counted, three people, that's called securing a system.
ian crossland
It's not secured.
It's more secured to have some sort of backup.
tim pool
James, what say you?
james okeefe
I mean, I approach this a little differently.
I released a video in Maricopa County, Tim, last week, went viral, just to let them know that I'm there.
Because I believe this recording thing works, and, you know, because it deters fraud.
People are afraid.
You know, I've been on the show before, and people are afraid...
They're going to be shamed out of committing fraud for fear of them being caught committing fraud.
Because your point is, what if, I think you said 10,000 people do it autonomously?
Is that your point?
ian crossland
Yep.
james okeefe
But even in their minds, they might be afraid.
They're going to look to the left, they're going to look to the right, right?
Most of the time, you're not alone in these rooms.
You're in gymnasiums, you're in schools.
I think they would be afraid of getting caught.
And my message to everyone is that I'm not exaggerating.
We have hundreds of people that are going to have hidden cameras.
So maybe that's going to deter them.
To your point, yep, some might not get caught, but some will get caught.
tim pool
Agreed.
james okeefe
And this Maricopa County people, I said before the show, they're attacking me for recording them.
The Maricopa County election trainer has deleted her LinkedIn after OMG's Maricopa election training expose.
tim pool
Let's pull this up real quick, actually.
So I have this tweet from James O'Keefe himself.
Maricopa County election trainer Amy Bricker deletes her LinkedIn after OMG's Maricopa election training expose.
Can you explain what this expose was and what happened?
james okeefe
It wasn't even a big, massive bombshell of them doing anything really wrong.
If you...
Scroll through some of the rest of the tweets, you'll see the video.
This was a video from a Maricopa County training.
This is like one of the most contentious counties in the country.
And the worker was saying, quote, it's not our job to police ballot harvesting.
Quote, we're not any type of law enforcement agency.
This is Amy Bricker.
Now, Tim, I'm not sure she's incorrect about that.
The legislature of Arizona, this is kind of in the weeds here, has made a law that says, no, we can't, the trainers don't police that.
If you're angry, be upset at the legislature, not the trainer who's following the law.
I didn't release this video because she did something wrong.
I released this video to let them know that I'm in there.
tim pool
Should we just play the intro video?
james okeefe
Again, it's not Watergate.
unidentified
I have one question about drop-off ballots.
Are we allowed to say anything?
Because it is a felony for people to turn in ballots outside their home.
No.
james okeefe
Just two weeks away from the presidential election, we are inside recording the trainings.
We take you inside Maricopa County, Arizona.
Where election trainings are now in full swing.
Meet Amy Bricker.
She's an election trainer for Maricopa County.
She says if poll workers spot ballot harvesting activity, it is not their job to police that illegal activity.
Check this out.
unidentified
As a poll worker, it's not your responsibility to police that.
We're not any type of law enforcement.
james okeefe
During yet another election poll watching training session at Maricopa County's election office, another citizen journalist discovered that federal agents from the DOJ will be inside those election centers.
Again, all of this recorded by volunteers, citizen journalists, and poll watchers there in Arizona.
unidentified
What would be some reasons why the Department of Justice would need to show up at your poll center?
They could be following up on a lawsuit or just coming to monitor things for this election.
james okeefe
So that's a little taste of that.
tim pool
So who are these people?
How do they get these jobs to train others on these elections?
james okeefe
That's a good question.
Who are these election trainers?
I don't know.
tim pool
And so what she's saying, when it comes to someone who may be ballot harvesting, don't police them?
james okeefe
Correct.
tim pool
Is she saying not to report it?
james okeefe
It's not our job to police that.
So what she means as Bricker's response, quote, as long as the ballot is signed and dated, we don't get involved.
If it's signed by the owners, it's valid, raising questions.
But the legislature of Arizona, that's the law.
So she's following the law.
So people are angry at her, by the way, which I don't support.
This poor girl is getting death threats, unfortunately, and I'm against that.
They should be upset at the legislator.
But remember, ballot harvesting means, Tim, you're delivering a bunch of other people's ballots, but it could be your sister, brother, grandfather, etc.
That's legal.
What's not legal is to fill out multiple ballots.
tim pool
Right.
I think actually most states allow some form of secondary ballot drop-off.
To varying degrees.
So that could include ballot harvesting.
And there's only a small amount of states that actually explicitly forbid it.
james okeefe
Correct.
And if you could look at these, I don't know if you can pull down the responses from the clerks or the head of the county, Stephen Richter is his name.
Congrats to the intrepid dance video journalist who secretly – why do they always have to – why don't we just talk about this?
What does dancing have to do with this?
Why do they hate that?
tim pool
It's like they call James alt-right, far-right, and he's just like, well, you know, they criticize your dancing.
james okeefe
This is kind of philosophically fascinating.
Stay classy, O'Keefe.
Well, I'm a reporter, and I quote people for a living.
Now, here's the rest of this.
James O'Keefe's history of cringe dance.
This is the...
tim pool
Is it a compilation of good dance moves?
james okeefe
I don't know what that links to.
Oh, it's the Young Turks clink.
They're making fun of my dancing.
Again, why are liberals making fun of dancing?
tim pool
Here's an interesting thing.
mary morgan
This is like going viral on TikTok, too, where people are like, guess who I just voted for?
They're doing the Trump dance.
They hate the dancing.
tim pool
The Trump dance is so good.
It's like one of the best dances ever made.
ian crossland
He's not in a golf swing, did you see?
tim pool
He had a golf swing.
james okeefe
This guy, Stephen Richter, is a big deal.
They had a front page New York Times profile on him.
These are big top dogs.
My point, Tim, is that, and I genuinely believe this, you can go through these weird responses, but this is Bill Gates.
If you can scroll down on my, not this thread, but the next tweet down, shame on you, James O'Keefe, if we can scroll down.
tim pool
Oh, on your page.
james okeefe
Keep going, scrolling down.
It's a shame.
Bill Gates...
tim pool
Not the Bill Gates, but other Bill Gates.
james okeefe
Apparently...
tim pool
Which one is it?
james okeefe
Right there.
Go down.
Go down.
Up one.
tim pool
This right here?
james okeefe
No.
It's...
You may have to keep going.
Shame on me.
There it is.
tim pool
There it is.
james okeefe
Bill Gates.
Shame on you, James O'Keefe.
Your bad faith...
This is the Bill Gates, not...
Bill Gates, Microsoft.
There's another Bill Gates who works in Maricopa County elections.
Shame on you, O'Keefe.
Your bad faith undercover investigation endangers the safety of workers.
Election workers are our friends, neighbors, and family members.
They did nothing wrong.
They deserve our respect.
Again, I'm a reporter.
And my job is to report.
It's interesting that newspapers can quote people, but when you video quote them, somehow it puts them in danger.
I mean, I guess I understand that on some level in this highly divided world of ours when things have become so heightened.
But I'm factually reporting what's happening, and I think all of this is meant to deter fraud.
And what I hope – no, not hope.
What I know will happen in the next week, because I'm the leader of this effort, is we're just going to have 100 people provide recordings, Tim.
And hopefully that deters the fraud that you speak of.
tim pool
How do we make it bigger than several hundred and get 10,000 people who are legally set up to record and monitor?
james okeefe
Laws are very tricky on this and I have to say that.
mary morgan
What is the legality?
james okeefe
I could pass the bar exam on this crap.
I have posted to our website all the laws.
It's only legal in so many states.
It's very complicated.
So you gotta check the OMG website.
It's very complicated.
You can't intimidate a voter.
And the question is, will the Department of Justice view this?
It's not, but will they pull an Orwellian thing and try to say that we're intimidating voters by recording?
tim pool
Well, it only matters if they win.
So here's the issue.
If you go to one of these polling locations completely under your legal rights and engage in monitoring or whatever it is legally and Trump wins, no, you're good.
But if you do that and then Kamala wins, you're going to get locked up.
james okeefe
Are they going to lock up everybody?
Do you think they're going to do that?
tim pool
They set up Capitol Police offices around the country to go after people who are wandering around on January 6th and didn't even enter the building.
There are people who showed up.
So there's one story that I've talked about quite a bit.
It was a woman who told me she was going to jail for 18 months, her and her husband, because they showed up to the Capitol hours, hours after the Capitol was breached.
They went on the side of the building, they were walking around where there was no broken glass and no violence, the doors had been propped open.
They walked up, no barriers, no obstructions, walked in the building, looked around for about two minutes, walked out having no idea what went on, arrested, charged, sentenced to 18 months.
james okeefe
Let me do the ethical thing here because we're broadcasting a lot of people.
This will take me 30 seconds.
What not to do.
Do not intimidate voters.
If you're recording, do not intimidate.
That means do not do anything aggressive or threatening around polling locations.
Don't photograph ballots or people who are voting.
Don't do that.
Don't touch ballots.
Don't pretend to be someone else.
Don't interfere with the election.
Be respectful and check your recording laws in the States.
I posted this to my website.
But, Tim, I find it fascinating.
You think that...
Kamala's just going to jail people like Elon and me and others.
tim pool
Elon, they're going to come after him in crazy ways.
And they're going to damage his businesses and make life miserable.
james okeefe
But don't you think that there's so many Trump supporters that are just...
They're not going to put up with that.
tim pool
I think that is the intended position.
james okeefe
To create a civil unrest.
tim pool
Well, yeah, because I don't think...
I don't think anybody wants civil war at an official level.
There's certainly people on the ground like Antifa and maybe some elements of the right that are like, yeah, bring it on, but that's ridiculous.
I think what they're more looking for is, if you've listened to what Steve Baker had to say about January 6th, He's the journalist who's been criminally charged.
They shackled him.
And he said, in his opinion, the Pentagon planned for J6 to go down the way it was.
And if it wasn't for one officer, there may have been severe injuries to members of Congress in the Senate.
One officer of his own volition without orders evacuated the building.
He got in trouble later on for, you know, something else.
He said he was endangering officers.
If he did not have his own volition to evacuate, then the J6ers would have clashed with members of Congress.
Steve Baker believes that was the intention.
So that way they could say this was an insurrection.
And if you think about it through that lens, everything they've done hunting down J6ers makes sense if a member of Congress was hurt in some way.
But considering you have a bunch of nonviolent misdemeanor trespass, hunting people down and putting them in solitary confinement makes literally no sense.
So I would I would say it's not that anybody wants a grand scale separatist movement or anything like that, but that they want to terrify people into sitting down and shutting up.
They want to create an air of fear and terror among anyone who would oppose the uniparty machine and then give themselves justification for going after the people who speak up and speak out.
james okeefe
I agree.
tim pool
Or it could create a Soviet or Chinese communist type era where the dissenters are just beaten down and suppressed and hidden.
james okeefe
I think my theory is that America might be different than all those previous examples throughout history.
I agree.
We're more cavalier.
We're more cowboy.
We're more the land of the free, the home of the brave.
My theory, and I have to believe this, otherwise we're just...
What's the point of existing?
I have to believe that we're just built differently.
So even if it were true, which I don't actually believe, but even if it were true that Kamala Wins and all these regulatory agencies put people like me in jail...
By the way, I've been to jail.
I've been raided by the FBI, arrested by the FBI, sued 40 times, fired from the company I founded, and I can go on.
But even if I were to take your premise...
I think the people would just rise up.
I don't mean that in a violent way.
I just mean they would support the people who are in jail and donate to their lawyers.
This is it.
tim pool
Trump winning may be that people finally breaking and saying, I've had enough of this.
And now in Jefferson County, in West Virginia, the line for early voting is massive.
And I don't believe the people in West Virginia are lining up in droves to vote for Kamala Harris.
You can argue that Kamala's got her base, for sure.
I don't think anyone is that passionate about Kamala.
The only argument would then be they actually believe Trump is Hitler and they're passionate against him.
james okeefe
Let me throw you another black swan here in your— Black swan.
Black swan means— Unpredicted, unknown thing, curveball.
I have a whistleblower from FEMA that's going public Thursday.
FEMA, you know, the North Carolina situation.
A full-time federal employee, Christian lady, who says, to hell with this, I'm blowing the whistle on the agency.
And I'm noticing a pattern.
You and I have been talking about this for years.
But I'm noticing now, like, people have just had enough.
They just, they just, Zach, you saw the guy crying in the perpetual car.
tim pool
Yeah.
james okeefe
And I just think you're going to see more of those types of people rise up.
And they, and then, and notice, you didn't see the movie, but in the movie, Zach makes a sign of the Christian cross.
I say, aren't you afraid they're going to take your pension?
They're going to destroy your life.
He says, you're looking at it.
Very powerful.
He says, to hell with all of you, I am willing to die on my cross, so to speak, for the public's right to know.
So this lady that's coming out from FEMA Thursday, a few days before the election comes out, I mean, it's very powerful.
And I think that you just need a few people with courage, and courage is in short supply these days.
But that's another thing that could happen.
tim pool
You know, I was just thinking about it, and I think it's a simple equation.
When the fear of what this country is becoming outweighs the fear of reprisal, you will get whistleblowers.
james okeefe
That's exactly right.
tim pool
And I think we're starting to see this.
james okeefe
That's exactly right.
And I have this new nonprofit that pays their, I'm paying Zach's legal bills, Citizen Journalism Foundation.
It's very, very powerful to hear.
I asked this lady, I said, aren't you afraid?
And she said, no, I'm called to do this.
And your point is well taken.
Soviet Union, what are the other countries you mentioned that went through this hell, this dystopian?
It's a pattern throughout history, right?
Where we just descend into compliance and conformity, and people are afraid to do the right thing.
But this is America, damn it!
We're built differently, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, local governance runs this show.
james okeefe
Yeah.
ian crossland
There's so many people that control their locality here.
james okeefe
Yeah, you just need someone to, they're trying to, Tim, all those election officials in Maricopa are saying that stuff because they're trying to deter other people to do the same thing.
That's their number one goal.
Deter others.
Zach took his gun away, took Zachary Apotheker.
By the way, at some point I'd love to call him in just two minutes on the show so everyone could hear his voice, the perpetual agent.
Took his gun away, took his paycheck, cut his paycheck, trying to make his life a living hell.
So they can deter other people from doing the same thing.
mary morgan
I think more likely than you getting thrown in jail in the event that Kamala wins, due to the nature of the work you do...
I think that big tech firms will just see a Kamala Victory as license to crack down.
unidentified
That's interesting.
mary morgan
Yeah.
james okeefe
But Zuckerberg, what do you think his philosophy is?
mary morgan
They're so dumb for trusting me.
He literally said that.
james okeefe
But he sounds like he's become more politically libertarian.
tim pool
You see this story?
Actually, you know what?
Let's pull this story up.
Let's pull this story up and we'll talk about this.
We've got this from NPR. Over 200,000 subscribers flee Washington Post after Bezos blocks Harris endorsement.
The Washington Post has proven itself to be of, for, and by the Democratic Party masquerading as a news organization.
Jeff Bezos decided, and he's not a stupid guy, we are not endorsing Kamala Harris.
USA Today just announced they will not be making an endorsement either.
LA Times announced this.
Do you know why they're making these announcements?
They know they're going to lose money, but they know what happens after this election when Trump wins.
Trump is going to come out, and he's going to be pissed off.
He's going to be pissed off at these guys who all went against him, and they believe that Donald Trump is going to win.
ian crossland
Also, I think they legitimately don't support Kamala Harris.
Like, Jeff Bezos does not support that regime.
Benz, I think Mike Benz was talking about this, or somebody was talking about it last week, that these guys trusted the deep state.
They trusted the apparatus, Zuckerberg with Facebook, and then they did their bidding, basically, during the Biden administration and with the Hunter Biden laptop suppression of that story.
And then their reward was more crackdown, more supporting the EU's law on digital censorship.
And they're like, we thought that if we did what you told us to do and censored the people you wanted us to censor, that you'd give us our power back or lighten up.
And instead, it just got worse.
And they see that that's the path of following evil is that more evil comes or more suppression.
Following the path of suppression equals more suppression.
You don't make a deal with the devil.
tim pool
So my view with this, where is Mark Zuckerberg right now?
That was the question.
Well, he seems to be coming out acting like he's libertarian now and he's for Trump.
No.
He's looking at the data that he's got and he's saying, we cannot, as these institutions, suppress the American people anymore.
Trump will win.
And if we are on the wrong side of this, then the people will come with their torches and pitchforks.
So Zuckerberg is now saying, oh, yeah, Trump.
So cool.
So great.
I'm out of here.
He's building it.
He's building a house on a Hawaiian island with an emergency bunker and his own wagyu cattle.
That dude's preparing for the worst.
A lot of these guys are.
james okeefe
Well, this is the Washington Post.
You know, the commercial imperative dictates that most of their audiences are Democrats.
So they have to pick that side.
tim pool
Yeah, but they're not now because Washington Post Washington Post refused to endorse and the editorial staff wanted to.
Bezos blocked them and said, you're not endorsing.
And the reason why, in my opinion, is that Bezos is looking at his business he owns and the money he's going to lose.
And he's thinking to himself, if we don't endorse a Democrat, I'm going to lose tons of money.
However, if we endorse Kamala and Trump wins, he's going to come after Blue Origin.
He's going to come after Amazon.
He's going to come after all of us.
james okeefe
I see.
I see.
tim pool
And Bezos, with this statement, is saying it is a greater risk to go against Donald Trump than it is to just not endorse anybody.
I think these billionaires are seeing the line.
They're seeing what's coming.
That is a Trump victory.
ian crossland
Honestly, if there is a defense mechanism against totalitarian government, it is the people themselves and their companies, their organizations.
Multinational corporations are dangerously center forces of power.
Like you can Google has a lot of authority, but that also the people at Google could be a paragon against corruption because they help run our digital infrastructure, our communications like they they could maintain against some sort of crazy government overreach.
Yeah.
james okeefe
Ben Smith wrote that it was impossible timing for this announcement to be read as a statement of principle, which makes it even worse.
It's like, if it wouldn't be one thing if he was doing it on principle, but it's obviously, to your point, obeying Trump in advance.
ian crossland
Yep.
james okeefe
Which is, I just, it's so political and so insincere.
But I think there's a greater issue, which is how do you solve the political divide in this country?
And how do you avoid this...
Situation.
By the way, Zach's ready.
I'll call him when you're ready, if it's okay for me to go and speak.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe in like five minutes we'll wrap up this story.
ian crossland
The answer to your question, James, you jam.
You rock so hard that the world has no choice but to listen.
tim pool
I think...
james okeefe
We're gonna do that tonight.
tim pool
I think you do it by...
For one, this leftist ideology is not popular.
It never has been.
It only rules through fear.
All of these comedians, they, like Howard Stern, spews racial slurs left and right, but then once the woke mob controls the institutions, he drops to his knees and he begs like a spineless little coward.
He'll no longer make the jokes.
Please, just don't hurt me.
ian crossland
Oh, what a loser.
tim pool
Howard Stern, you're a loser.
People like him.
They are terrified of whoever is in control of the institution.
And what we need to do is prove they don't.
They don't control these institutions and people don't care for this.
There's a silent majority of people who reject the woke garbage.
Bud Light made a huge point.
When they lost billions in market share and they've never recovered.
I thought they were going to see...
I don't want to get too much into it.
I thought they were going to see a sales normalization they would capitalize.
They didn't.
They just keep spiraling.
It's just worse.
Even UFC and Joe Rogan couldn't save Bud Light.
Disney lost a billion dollars, a billion, on their past 10 releases or whatever.
And Kevin Feige had to go and fire everybody.
The next move is a Donald Trump popular vote victory.
Go vote.
I don't care where you live.
If you live in a red state or a blue state that are deep blue, not swing states, more than ever, you got to go vote.
Because when Trump wins the popular vote by 10 million or whatever the number is, I'm not saying he does.
I'm saying if he does, that's a message to all of these leftist institutions.
You have lost the popular mandate.
You never had it.
And it's time to sit down and shut up and let regular people come back into the fold and we can fix this thing.
That's how you unify the divide.
You shut out the crazy people by proving once and for all, people don't like the crazy.
Look, when I went and saw Marvel Adventures Endgame, it's a big deal.
It's a 10-year culmination of a multi-billion dollar franchise.
One of the biggest movie franchises ever.
When they did the scene where all the women are walking up and they're like, she's not alone.
And all the women strut.
The audience groaned.
People didn't like it.
Nobody hates women.
It's just ham-fisted garbage.
When they remade the movie The Craft.
Did you see that one?
mary morgan
When was that?
tim pool
This was like two years ago.
You got to watch it.
You're going to laugh.
You're going to laugh your ass off.
The Craft in the 90s is about four girls who are witches and they do magic, whatever.
They remade it and it's just all woke insanity.
One of the witches is a trans woman.
They turn the jock gay with magic.
It's just, it's nonsense.
These movies bomb.
They fail miserably.
They're losing money.
Regular people do not like what the institutions have become.
But so long as they can beat people in a submission and tell them if you speak up, you're fired, people won't say anything.
But now people are starting to speak up.
Bud Light, as I mentioned, Disney, as I mentioned, and now Trump winning a popular vote victory finally silences the 8-10% of Americans who have this insane ideology.
And we have the polling data on this.
It's 8-10% of Americans that are woke.
And the rest of the liberal side is just bowing down to them, scared they'll lose their jobs.
Enough.
james okeefe
Scared they'll lose their jobs.
tim pool
That's mostly it.
james okeefe
Mostly it.
Not everybody.
tim pool
Not everybody.
But I believe that if we get a Trump popular vote victory, more of these people are going to think the other way.
And they're going to think, so most people like Trump?
Well, I don't want to be a loser.
I don't want to get people yelling at me.
I don't agree with those people.
And that's how we shut down the fringe elements of the far left that have been violent and psychotic.
And it will show this country is actually more unified than people realize.
james okeefe
I think that's right.
ian crossland
They call that a cultural victory.
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian crossland
That's how it works.
Or at least a sway of culture where cities start to pop back.
mary morgan
I would just like to explain briefly what I was talking about with Mark Zuckerberg, because that is an actual quote.
And I know you're kind of believing his rebrand.
james okeefe
No, I'm just, yeah.
So tell me.
mary morgan
He leans libertarian, but this is what he said in 2004.
He said, yeah, so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard, just ask.
I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses.
People just submitted it.
I don't know why.
They trust me, dumb fucks.
ian crossland
That was 20 years ago?
mary morgan
Yeah, but do you really think his philosophy has changed at all?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, now that the government's been up his butt.
mary morgan
He's learned, he's growing.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's become utilitarian.
He knows what they're going to do to him if he keeps participating.
tim pool
He's become one of the most powerful men in the world, controlling one of the most powerful information apparati on the planet, and he's worth dozens of billions or whatever dollars, and now he's had a reformation.
mary morgan
Yeah, I don't think so.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
The Biden administration screwed that.
mary morgan
I'm just saying, I feel like big tech censorship isn't going to get significantly better under either candidate, whoever wins.
ian crossland
Well, that's a reasonable assumption.
I mean, it does look like...
mary morgan
I'm just saying, given the nature of what you do for a living, that is something that you obviously have to think about.
james okeefe
About censorship?
What about the Streisand effect?
They censor you, it makes you bigger.
What do you think about that?
mary morgan
I mean, that's optimistic.
tim pool
It depends, actually.
mary morgan
I mean, you're never going to know because the people who fade into obscurity, they fade into obscurity.
james okeefe
Right.
tim pool
It is not correct to say that once it's online, it's there forever.
For example, let's see if we can use the power of the internet.
There was a cartoon on Reddit...
10 or 12 years ago, where there was this cartoonist on YouTube.
I forgot what his name was.
I don't know.
Maybe you can find it.
He made jokes mocking various subreddit.
He had r slash gaming and r slash atheism.
He made fun of the r slash atheism subreddit because he was like, it's actually really cool that you guys make fun of people for having different beliefs.
He got attacked so mercilessly by the left, he deleted the video, removed it from the internet.
I've never been able to find it since.
And it had a ton of views.
It's gone.
That's not the only example, just the one I can think of off the top of my head, where people have been able to successfully purge stories from the internet using reputation management firms.
james okeefe
I hear you.
I think the nature of what I do is a little different in that the content is king.
So if you get something so compelling on video, it'll work its way It'll work its way through other people.
If I'm censored, it'll be distributed by proxy.
So I was banned from Twitter in 2021 until Elon bought it, and then I was brought back in January 23.
And people would distribute our stories by proxy.
If it's a really good story...
People will want to watch it, just like people go to pay to see stuff, like they go to movie theaters to watch stuff.
I think people will want to see it.
I think it's a very compelling content, which randomly makes me think that good journalism is hard to come by and good stories are hard to come by.
But people can disagree on this.
mary morgan
Do you know what exactly got you banned in 2021?
james okeefe
It was so ridiculous.
It was Kafkaesque.
It was like, what did they say?
They said I was, it was like the most ridiculous, the most ridiculous, absurd, bureaucratic rationale.
The same thing they're doing to Zach Apotheker from the Border Patrol.
I had gone to a house in San Francisco.
I did a story about CNN, undercover, and I went, or Facebook or one of these companies, but it was on Twitter.
I posted to Twitter, and I forgot to blur the lamppost of the number of the house.
so they argued that i had infringed privacy by leaving the number on the lamppost but cnn went to like people's private homes and blurred nothing random old ladies random old ladies in trailer parks you know about that one so they banned me because i had violated the privacy of this lamppost in a public neighborhood it was completely absurd and hypocritical and i do remember when they banned me on twitter i'm like whoa because i never thought i'd crossed that threshold
and for two years i distributed my stories through other people if it's really really good people will share it That's my theory, at least.
tim pool
Do you want to give Zach a call?
james okeefe
We're going to do it right now.
This is the Border Patrol agent in Vermont.
I'm going to be a DJ and have one ear off and one ear on so I can hear through the microphone.
Zach Apotheker.
Hey, Zach, are you there?
unidentified
Of course I am.
Always here if you rub up.
james okeefe
You have the thickest Boston accent ever.
tim pool
You want to put the microphone right up top?
james okeefe
I can't change now.
You're live on the air.
Is this right?
Yeah.
You're live with Tim, and we showed the clip of you in the patrol car, and we're talking about courage, and we're talking about people blowing the whistle, and Tim Poole made a point that people are afraid of losing their jobs, afraid of retaliation.
You're not.
So you're the guy doing the thing.
Can you just talk about why that is and people following your lead?
unidentified
Well, I don't think I'm a courageous guy.
I think, you know, I grew up in a country that I grew up playing wiffle ball with my brothers in the backyard, running around my neighborhood.
I grew up right outside Boston.
I had a glorious upbringing, 4th of July barbecues, so forth and so on.
Both my brothers got into drugs.
We lost like a generation full of good men that started on maybe pills and then moved over to heroin.
And I lost both my brothers.
And when that happened, I felt a calling and a purpose.
So I And
james okeefe
they retaliated against you, Zach.
What did they do to you?
unidentified
They destroyed me!
james okeefe
Right now, they're trying to destroy him.
And they took your gun away?
Just really quick, like, what did they do?
unidentified
They took my gun away, took me off nights, took me off weekends.
They said it wasn't disciplinary.
They brought in criminal investigators to investigate me as if I did something criminal.
All I said was, there's over 300,000 kids missing.
Lincoln Riley's now deceased by somebody that the Border Patrol encountered, and I'm the bad guy.
And they're trying to get me on a technicality.
So luckily I have you.
You have the big outreach.
You're on Timmy Poole.
I'm just here to say, when are we going to stand up and actually speak out for your country?
I'm not saying you're going to beat me.
james okeefe
I don't know if Tim has a question, but we're trying to get other people to follow your lead, and they're trying to make an example out of you, and that's the concern.
tim pool
What was the moment when you were like, the straw has broken the camel's back, I have to speak?
unidentified
There really wasn't one moment.
You know, James can attest to this.
We were talking about it.
We were going back and forth.
I called him crying.
You know, I'm not that courageous of a guy.
And we hung up the phone.
And the moment we hung up, Trump got shot in the ear.
james okeefe
That was it.
That was the Trump getting shot.
Wow.
No, no, Zach.
That was the day Trump got shot in the ear.
And then you're like, okay.
unidentified
I don't know if we're going to even have a country.
james okeefe
Was Trump getting shot?
That was the line in your sand, right?
Yeah.
unidentified
There might not be tomorrow.
I didn't know if I'd be successful.
I didn't know if the movie.
I didn't know nothing.
I'm not a political guy.
I'm not in the entertainment industry.
james okeefe
For those of you listening, you're listening to the Border Patrol agent in the film, Line in the Sand, who blew the whistle on the Border Patrol in his patrol vehicle, and now they're taking away his gun.
They've reduced your salary, right?
They're trying to keep him employed but make his life a living hell so he quits.
And my advice is to not quit.
Don't quit.
unidentified
Don't quit, Steve.
james okeefe
I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
ian crossland
Zach, what should other Border Patrol officers do to follow your lead?
unidentified
I mean, everybody knows what to do and what they should do.
And a lot of times I get ad hominem attacked.
Like, I wasn't that good of an agent.
I wasn't this.
You know, listen, I'm not here to tell the next man what to do.
But if you sit down with any Border Patrol agent and say, what have you seen over the last four years?
They're going to say the same thing as me.
And they're scared.
They don't want to get treated like this.
So maybe I can prove to them that, listen, it's not that bad.
Whatever they do, at least the American people are going to appreciate it.
james okeefe
I can tell you that I have a lot of these warped relations that are talking to me on deep background, and they're fence-sitters.
They're like, let me see what happens to Zach.
That's what they're all saying.
They're literally watching this guy because they all hate what they're doing, and it's blood money.
tim pool
In your film, one of the Border Patrol agents looks at you and says, hey, I'm a big fan, and shakes your hand.
james okeefe
It's weird.
There's like little girls.
You've got to watch this movie.
There's little girls, and they're being picked up and trafficked, and they're just like, oh, I hate my life, hate my job, hate what I'm doing, but I need the money.
And I'm like, what are you guys doing?
And he's like, hey, I'm a big fan.
It was just like the most absurd, I mean, it may have been the most absurd moment in the movie.
It's like lost in all of this is any semblance of right and wrong.
So all these guys, Zach doesn't know this because he's not on all the calls, but all these guys, actually Zach knows some of the guys, are waiting to see what happens to Zach.
So it's almost like Zach needs to survive and thrive.
And then they'll follow him.
unidentified
Listen, I'll go back to Boston and go be a carpenter.
But what I'm not going to do is hand little girls off into the hands of the cartel because I'm getting paid $120,000, $130,000 a year.
My mother always said to me, Zach, I don't care if you bag groceries.
It's what's in your heart.
I get choked up talking about it.
I get emotional.
But she said to me, she says, I don't care if you go bag groceries.
It's what's in your heart that counts.
And a man's character, it's not his job.
So this way I never had an allegiance or a loyalty to the brand of the Border Patrol to have a gun on my head.
I signed up because both my brothers died.
I'm never going to get them back.
I signed up so drugs wouldn't come into this country.
And next thing you know, all our resources are tied up in having people come in.
And next thing you know, you're looking to your left and right.
The desert's wide open.
Like you had Chad Wolf on your documentary.
What did he say about the drugs that were coming to the fence?
I mean you saw drugs in your movie.
james okeefe
Chad Wolf said that drugs only – they were saying that drugs only come in through port of entry.
They come in everywhere.
Zach, we got to go.
Tim, any last comments?
tim pool
I really do appreciate your bravery, your honesty, and I wish more guys were like you.
james okeefe
Thank you, Zach.
unidentified
They're not going to destroy you because they're going to have to go through me to get to you.
james okeefe
And we're going to pay your legal bills.
I'm paying his legal bills.
We're going to pay all the whistleblowers legal bills.
Thank you, Zach.
tim pool
Have a go, man.
james okeefe
So did you notice how...
unidentified
Wow.
james okeefe
I mean, this guy is the thickest Boston accent I've ever heard.
I love his accent.
I've been an accent person.
I go undercover for a living, so I study this stuff.
I think that he...
You made a point.
You said people are afraid of losing their jobs, afraid of this and all.
It's almost like, what if the premise was to hell with that?
Okay, I'll lose my job.
That's what he's about.
He doesn't care.
tim pool
But it's the equation of when people fear what happens to their country more than they fear reprisal, you You get whistleblowers.
james okeefe
And I don't think that's happened until recently, right?
I don't think that's been a thing.
tim pool
I think for some people, they'll stand up and do the right thing no matter what.
ian crossland
The Vietnam War spawned a generation of people willing to do it.
But since then, this is it.
This is the beginning.
james okeefe
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
I think for a lot of people, we're going to start seeing this more and more.
I think there's two kinds of whistleblowers.
Guy gets a job because he's like, hey, I want to work security nights.
He sees somebody doing something wrong and he goes, that's wrong and I won't stand for it.
He's going to take personal risk, but it's the right thing to do.
There's another kind of whistleblower where they're actually looking at a scale, and they're like, if I say nothing, my life will be destroyed.
I'm going to blow the whistle, right?
So some of these whistleblowers are going to come out.
It's not because it's the right thing to do.
It's because the alternative is worse.
james okeefe
That's very well put.
tim pool
That's how bad it's getting.
james okeefe
They're having a crisis of conscience, right?
And it's very – whistleblowing is extra legal.
It's impossible to do it in a way where you're not breaking a few eggs.
But that's a very astute way of putting it.
There's a scale, and at some point you can't live with yourself.
Most of these Border Patrol agents are miserable.
And if you're watching – Zach, in the film, I can't even do what he does.
It's so powerful.
But if you're watching this, I will pay your legal bills.
I have a foundation.
tim pool
But let me clarify.
I'm speaking economically.
There is somebody who's going to be working a job, and they're going to say, if I don't call out the people who are stealing from this company, this company's going to go out of business, I'm going to lose my job.
And so there's a lot of, I think we're starting more whistleblowers that are looking at it more like, yo, this country is about to collapse economically.
If I don't do something now and speak out, it'll be worse than saying nothing.
james okeefe
It's almost like that Braveheart speech from Mel Gibson where he says, yes, you might keep your job, but But for a while.
And many years from now, when you're lying in your bed and you're sitting there, what would you give if you had one chance to go back to 2024 on the eve of the presidential election and blow the whistle on FEMA? Or to vote.
tim pool
Go vote.
james okeefe
Go vote.
I mean, I think that most of the whistleblowers I talk to don't care if they lose their job.
They just don't care.
Some things are more important than your job.
And frankly, even if a hundred people blow the whistle, it will change the world.
But, of course, they're all watching Zach.
They're all watching him and waiting to see what happens to him, seeing how he does.
So what these people have to do is they have to make his life a living.
They have to try to make his life a living hell.
They have to try to hurt him.
And my advice is don't quit.
Don't quit.
Man, it's so demonic.
It's spiritual, Tim.
The whole thing's a spiritual war.
I don't know if you know that, but it is.
ian crossland
Not only in the support of people coming out, that's obviously what you do in a lot of what your company does, which is extra spectacular, is the...
Is the releasing the knowledge of what's happening in society?
Because, Tim, like you were saying, people will blow the whistle when the opportunity cost of not blowing the whistle outpaces.
Like, it's going to be worse if I don't throw my job away.
But if they don't know how bad it might get...
So that's our job as educators in a lot of what we do here and shows like this and people that are willing to ring the bell and show you, like, hey, the U.S. national debt is $36 trillion.
Yeah.
And it's going up by a trillion dollars a year, whatever.
They show you the pain.
They show you the problem.
And they do it in a way that you don't look away.
Then, when you know the problem, it's easier to make the calculation of, should I speak out against this?
james okeefe
I sent Tim a DM. There's a little girl in the desert walking all alone in the desert in the film.
It's not an actress.
It's a real girl.
And people were emotional.
I didn't think it was that...
I mean, I could have shown a lot worse.
And there's this trailer.
Just play the first few seconds of this trailer because it's a scene from the film.
Boom.
unidentified
We got an unaccompanied minor right here, guys.
james okeefe
This is heartbreaking right here.
Pause.
Go back to that.
There's more in the movie, but this girl's all alone.
Her clothes are tattered.
She's drugged.
And she says, and this is in the film, she says, my father's in heaven.
Now she's speaking in Spanish.
Translated it.
I mean, this was, people are crying.
I don't think Americans are ready to see this.
I don't think they understand.
This is a humanitarian crisis.
So Border Patrol agents see this every day.
Zach sees this.
And he says, to hell with my job.
I can't live with myself.
I mean, this is real.
I mean, Sound of Freedom, great movie.
I love Sound of Freedom.
This is not an actress.
This is a real little girl walking all alone.
And obviously, I don't even want to say what happened to her and what will happen to her.
And I could have shown a lot worse, but people were overwhelmed just by the image of this little girl.
And that shows me that we need more imagery, images like this, because, Tim, that'll hopefully change things.
Regardless of who wins, they have to reform the system.
unidentified
She just, like, brought across, drugged up, and left?
james okeefe
Yeah, there's scenes in the film of people, kids drugged.
They drugged them.
ian crossland
What do they drug them with?
james okeefe
There's like this sedative in Mexico that they use to sedate them.
And many of the facilities in Texas where they house these unaccompanied girls, they're sexually abused and raped.
And nobody talks about it.
ian crossland
Well, we're talking about it now.
james okeefe
Very rarely do you see stuff like this.
mary morgan
I think it's powerful because the entire concept and term for empathy has been abused by people who support open borders.
And a lot of people mistakenly believe that supporting open borders is the compassionate option.
james okeefe
That's not true.
mary morgan
And you're showing...
james okeefe
And you know what really is the reason why we don't talk about it?
From my perspective is because so many people are making money off this.
It's all about money.
You stop the flow of the people like this, you stop enriching the people.
And the government's funding this.
It's wild.
And Tara Rodas blew the whistle on these unaccompanied kids and that's why what Tim is saying is so true.
When the cost of doing nothing outweighs...
Your conscience.
You can't brush your teeth, look in the mirror, and these images...
I mean, these images...
Are in your mind, and it traumatizes you.
ian crossland
Who's Tara Rodas?
james okeefe
She's in the film.
She's a federal government whistleblower who worked in the Office of Refugee and Resettlement, where they put all the kids.
And she talked about all the hundreds of thousands of missing kids in the United States.
Because a drug, traffic cocaine, you can only use that once.
The child, you can use multiple times.
And what I learned is the economics of human trafficking, there's a lot of money in housing the kids.
And Tim said, driving the kids around in the movie, you see, well, we drive all these people around making money.
A lot of money in that, a lot of money in trafficking the children.
You know where there's not a lot of money?
Saving the children.
There's no money in saving these people.
ian crossland
What would be a way of saving them?
Would it just be sending them?
james okeefe
Do you understand how many people will lose money if you close the border?
There's nothing to be gained by closing the border.
tim pool
Except for the lives of children.
james okeefe
But therein lies the point, isn't it?
ian crossland
Yeah, what's a human life worth?
james okeefe
What's a human life worth?
ian crossland
$40,000.
james okeefe
You tell me?
tim pool
I think it's $40,000, yeah.
james okeefe
That's why the film is called Line in the Sand.
And that's what we're talking about here.
tim pool
What is this crafty guy with a camera on his watch over here?
james okeefe
Actually, I do.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It seems like the longer you leave it open, the more business will spring up around it.
james okeefe
There's literally a man in the film who I say, so if they stop the flow of the children, you stop getting paid?
He's like, yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
With a twinkle in his eye.
Then he goes, that's life.
In fact, people say that's life so many times in the film, I should make a rap video out of it.
Like, that's life.
That's life.
I said, that's life.
That's life.
Lost in any of this is any morality or concern about humanity?
And to your point, which is well said, they have the narrative, right?
Well, you're trying to help these people.
Listen, I rode the train with the Venezuelans.
I jumped on a moving freight train in Mexico and rode it with the – and it changed my life because I realized, oh, these are decent people.
No, they're not all criminals.
They're trying to do the right thing.
tim pool
How long were you on that train for?
james okeefe
I was only on there for a weekend.
tim pool
But like the whole weekend you were on that train?
james okeefe
We were on Arapuato, rode the train.
There was a freaking guy with a machete and they said, my colleague, hide.
I'm like, hide?
I mean, this is dangerous.
I was detained by the Mexican National Guard.
I could have been ransomed.
You used to do stuff.
We used to work with Vice.
You used to do street stuff.
I mean, this is hardcore, hardcore journalism that we did.
And I was scared.
tim pool
The one piece of advice I always have for everybody is don't panic.
james okeefe
Well, don't panic.
tim pool
Especially when you don't speak their language.
james okeefe
Right.
But the Venezuelans took us in.
Like a herd animal, we were all just trying to survive.
And it really was deeply moving for me to travel with them because it was all about survival and being part of a team.
But that image right there...
Can change a lot of hearts and minds.
Lineinthesandmovie.com, it's out now, and I think it'll go mainstream because it's not a political film.
tim pool
So for two days you were on this train, is that what you're saying?
james okeefe
I was not on the train for two days.
I was near Poitou.
We rode the train.
My colleagues...
Anthony had previously ridden the entire train and he was...
tim pool
Beast, they call it, right?
james okeefe
La Bestia, the beast, the train de la muerte, the train of death.
unidentified
Jeez.
james okeefe
And it's usually a grain car.
I was in a bolachera car, which is little iron balls.
And they were so happy that they got to lay on iron balls.
This is in the movie because it's more comfortable than the grain car.
Had been kidnapped by the cartel.
This guy is like I don't know if you've ever heard of this guy.
He's a YouTuber.
And they took a crowbar, destroyed all of his cameras, and so he didn't have the footage from that trip.
So when we were detained by the Mexican National Guard this is in the film.
My biggest concern was losing the footage, so I hid the SD chip in my cargo pants and And fortunately, when the Mexican National Guard detained me, they realized that I was a documentarian, and they became very terrified of me that I had recorded their illegal behavior.
unidentified
Wow.
james okeefe
So they let me go.
tim pool
I actually don't— You've got a camera in your watch.
james okeefe
I had recorded the interaction with the Mexican National Guard on my...
tim pool
Can I see it?
james okeefe
Epic.
This particular watch?
unidentified
Oh.
james okeefe
It was not the one that I used.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Because he's pointing to it.
You're like, I do have, actually.
james okeefe
Not at the moment.
tim pool
So I had a smartwatch 10 years ago with a camera in it.
And nobody knows these things exist.
I mean, you can look it up if you want, but they've been around for a while.
ian crossland
Contact lenses with cameras in them.
james okeefe
Yeah, but some of this stuff on Amazon isn't very good.
You have to have the right hidden camera.
We use this as a low-light watch camera.
It's completely pitch black.
So even GoPros 11 don't work well in low light.
So you have to have the right hidden cameras.
We have some good stuff.
And I rode the train with the Venezuelans, and I have to say that it was deeply moving.
It was really something.
These are genuine.
Some of these people are trying to get a better life, and if I was them, I'd be doing the same thing.
ian crossland
Is the footage in the movie?
james okeefe
It's in the film.
ian crossland
What exactly?
How many hours on the train?
james okeefe
Oh, in the film we only show 10 minutes of the film, but this is the entire stretch from...
Irapuato is a town south of Mexico City.
And...
We had documented the journey all the way to Ciudad Juarez, and we had made friends with the immigrants, so they had sent us video.
So we showed— Go ahead.
tim pool
I was going to say, Ian, you got to watch it.
You just got to watch it.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude.
You got to watch it.
tim pool
I just want to say this without calling anybody out, but James, you make him mad, but I actually let some friends watch it with me.
james okeefe
Oh?
tim pool
And one of them started crying.
james okeefe
No way.
tim pool
A grown man.
When Act 3— Which part?
The child part.
james okeefe
Oh, the other children.
tim pool
Yep.
And he was, like, trying to turn it off, too.
And I was like, bro, if you can't do it, you gotta leave.
james okeefe
Do you think that people are ready to handle this child trafficking, or they would rather not know about it?
tim pool
I was mentioning that the intro to Sound of Freedom is really hard to watch.
It's when the father loses his children, and the way they trick him and steal these children from him, it's difficult to watch.
Now imagine watching the real thing.
That's crazy.
This is terrifying stuff.
james okeefe
It's terrifying.
tim pool
I just say people got to watch it.
james okeefe
It's transformative.
And I don't know why anybody has not done this before.
I guess they're afraid of getting killed because in Mexico they assassinate you.
tim pool
Yes, James.
james okeefe
Cartel is – I forget about that.
The cartel makes, what is it, $10,000 a person.
So all these folks – so how do you take the money away without getting killed is the question.
tim pool
James, this film you've made is a serious threat to a multi-billion dollar industry.
james okeefe
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, I hope you're taking your security seriously.
james okeefe
I wouldn't say what I'm doing on the air about my security, but I think that in Mexico they kill you.
In the United States, well, I guess they also try to kill you in the United States.
They also try to assassinate you.
And here's a really serious question.
If Trump wins, or when Trump wins, how does he reform this?
mary morgan
Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you.
If you had embarked on a project like this during the Trump administration, how would it have looked any differently?
I can't imagine that the state of affairs at the border looked tremendously different than what you showed in this film.
james okeefe
I think that that's a great point.
The film will probably be more successful after the presidential election when we're not in this heightened political sensibility.
How do you reform the industry?
How do you change this is the question I have.
And maybe Elon Musk can change it.
You have to take away so many people's jobs and the cartel is getting paid.
So are you going to take down the cartel?
How do you stop that?
I'm not an expert in that.
This is what I do.
I'm a journalist.
I expose it.
What do you think?
ian crossland
The U.S. military is an expert in doing that.
I mean, honestly, if you're going to have a paramilitary organization creating chaos on your border, that's a military action waiting to happen, in my opinion.
mary morgan
I'm just saying, this situation was ongoing during the Trump administration, so are we to expect...
james okeefe
The administrative state, the Department of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services are executive agencies that are not elected.
And they're going to exist regardless of who wins, just like the IRS is going to exist.
So someone has to reform that and dismantle that.
And Trump, I think Trump in theory wants to, but he has to surround himself with people who have the balls to do that.
And they will literally kill you.
I mean, in Mexico, they kill people who try to change it.
Now, that's a whole other subject.
ian crossland
You could do something that's more profitable.
Like, there is the whole remove one thing and add something new that's better.
You could help the cartels become a more profitable industry in doing things that are not so horrendous as drug and human trafficking.
james okeefe
Human beings are worth more than drugs.
ian crossland
Yeah, so another industry completely, like, industries can shift.
That's one way of tech, you know, mining industries.
tim pool
If the cartel just learns to code, maybe they can program open source.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
Software development.
james okeefe
I mean, I'm throwing things at a wall right now, but that's one moment in the In the film, and it's in the very – please watch this movie.
In the very first moment of this movie, there's a scene where I actually go to California, and you can actually see the cartel at the fence with a saw, okay?
And they're buzzing through the steel, these steel beams in California.
And I had planted recording devices on the beam so you could hear what they're saying.
And they're saying, we need to get paid.
And behind those men are people with guns.
unidentified
Yeah.
james okeefe
And if those guys retreat from their job of cutting through the fence, they'll get killed.
And I am watching this, and I pull up, and I'm startled, and they see me, and there's this whole incredible sequence of events.
And while the cartel is cutting through the steel beam with a massive saw, a Border Patrol agent is just watching.
And I run up to the agent.
I'm like, what are you doing?
He's cutting through the steel!
And the agent shrugs his shoulders and says, I'm sitting here.
I'm just sitting here waiting.
I said, what is your purpose?
You're a law enforcement officer because I'm—why don't you just shoot that guy?
It's just—it begs so many questions, and it's so broken.
tim pool
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But I also have a big announcement.
Ladies and gentlemen, next week for the election, what are we going to do?
We are going to be in Nashville at the Daily Wire Studios.
We are going to have our own studio set up where on election night we will have both shows next to each other.
And we're basically going to jump back and forth.
I don't know the exact timing or structure, but Tim Castile will be live all night for the election.
Daily Wire is planning on doing the same thing.
And then we're going to, at some point, get up and I'm going to go over there.
They're going to come over here.
And it's going to be a huge party.
So it's actually really amazing that our crew and their crew and many others that were invited to this big election night party will be involved in this massive show.
Not only is Daily Wire inviting a bunch of talent, but they have a bunch of invitees to their party.
We are doing something similar.
So there's going to be a bunch of familiar faces.
I'm really excited for this.
And I also want to give them a shout out, too, because you guys know I'm a huge fan of Am I Racist?
And just as we're talking about just winning the culture war, they just launched Am I Racist on their Daily Wire members platform.
So I think Matt Walsh and the crew hit this one out of the park.
It's a 10 out of 10.
I really respect it.
This is not a sponsor post or anything like that.
They didn't ask to sponsor this or have me say this.
I just genuinely think it was a great film.
And I think you guys should check it out.
And we're really excited to have this trip to Nashville.
It's going to be a lot of fun.
It's going to be a big show.
So I was waiting to say anything until the last minute, but that's the plan.
And then throughout the week, it's going to be awesome.
We'll be doing the show from Daily Wire Studios.
In the meantime, we will read your super chats.
Shane H. Wilder says, Justin Robert Young, political historian and host of Politics, Politics, Politics, asked to hold off on placing blame with the fire too early.
The left immediately went after him, calling him far right.
Interesting.
We don't know who did it.
Just that it is happening and it's scary.
How about that?
Derek asks, James, any plans to release the film to the masses prior to the election?
james okeefe
Yeah.
The number one comment I'm getting is why aren't you, you know, everyone needs to see this.
And by the way, that, I want to answer this question, but the question I have is, I think this film is, you've seen it, it's a moral film, not a political film.
It's politically agnostic.
tim pool
I gotta mention too, actually, one of my friends was like, is James pro-immigrant?
Like, I don't understand.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Because you're just tracking what's going on with trafficking.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And it's like – but he's concerned about the victims of trafficking.
james okeefe
I'm like, it's not a question of – People are so Manichaean that they have to frame it that way.
Yeah, I think – has there ever been a conservative movement film that appealed to liberals?
That stumped everybody because Walsh's film is great.
I love – I think the only documentarian I actually like is Matt Walsh.
I love his films.
I think 99 percent of people who buy the tickets are probably conservative.
Yep.
I've tried to create something here which will appeal to liberals, and I mean that sincerely.
But, Tim, you've been a journalist.
Good journalism costs money, and you get what you pay for.
So I'm not going to make this free.
No great movie was ever free, as far as I'm concerned.
It's at tuckercarlson.com right now.
tim pool
Can we point out, I mean, the New York Times has millions of paying subscribers.
This is a challenge for us.
I know it's not easy for everybody, but the left is more than willing to pay for their ideological victories.
And that's the challenge.
It is the resources used to build institutions.
james okeefe
And I don't think – I actually think the film – to answer the super chat question, I think the film is going to be more mainstream and more successful, not in a heightened political state.
To your point, you've got to solve this crisis when Trump wins.
And I will try to get this movie in theaters.
I think it will go mainstream.
But we need – good journalism costs money.
There's a lot of free content out there.
Really good.
I spent a year on this film.
I directed it.
I sat in an edit room for six months, seven foreign languages, 1,200 hours of footage.
Great journalism is going to cost you.
tim pool
Oh, dude, the scene with the Chinese den or whatever, these migrants that are Chinese, and the guy wanting drugs, this is crazy.
james okeefe
It's wild.
It's like Curb Your Enthusiasm.
tim pool
Seriously, he walks past like, the press is here now.
james okeefe
You got an effing bulletproof.
I mean, it's real to watch it.
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
Yeah.
Alright, alright.
Here we go.
Sideways says, Nah, that joke was hilarious.
People really just can't take a joke.
Left and right.
Seems like only people who grew up on the internet liked it.
But either way, it's like if you don't like the joke, I saw some people who are Puerto Rican on the internet, they were like, I think the joke bombed, but I don't, I'm not mad at the guy, I don't care.
It's just like, it's whatever.
I'm not mad at jokes.
Dave Chappelle, this is what I said, I was like, I am shocked.
You know, I was like one of the Krasensteins said, you know, I can't believe you made this joke.
And I was like, I agree.
When Dave Chappelle made fun of Asians, I was shocked.
I was outraged that Netflix would allow such racism.
Are we really supposed to care that comedians make jokes like this?
Come on.
james okeefe
Well, in the after part of the show, I'll play a slightly not-too-raunchy clip.
It's a roast.
It's just a roast.
Is it funny?
I don't know.
Do you find a roast funny?
tim pool
Maybe not for kids, though.
james okeefe
Not for kids.
tim pool
Not for kids.
Yeah, there we go.
All right, Jacob Bolley says, Tim and Panel, how would you all feel with this reform?
States keep their number of electoral votes under the Constitution, but they are awarded proportionally.
For example, under this, Biden would have won 2020, 272 to 265.
I don't know what that means, proportionally.
Electoral votes are a combination of their seats in Congress.
So what does that mean?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Right?
If they have one member of Congress, that's one vote, and they get two senators, that's three votes.
unidentified
So I don't know what you mean, sir.
tim pool
Alright, what is this?
What have we here?
SBC says bop was used like thought long before it was used to describe the popularity of songs.
It's an old Houston colloquialism.
james okeefe
Is that the term that you used?
mary morgan
Yeah, bop.
james okeefe
Bop?
unidentified
What's thaw?
mary morgan
I shouldn't explain the meaning of it, though.
When you use it like thaw, it's too vulgar.
james okeefe
That's a bop?
That's the gas?
That's the riz?
mary morgan
No.
ian crossland
Oh, a thaw is a hot person?
mary morgan
What?
ian crossland
A thaw is a hot...
tim pool
That means that hoe over there.
mary morgan
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh.
mary morgan
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, a bop is like the hoe over there of songs?
mary morgan
No.
james okeefe
Bop.
Urban Dictionary.
mary morgan
Bop is either the song or a bop is a thought, but I can't explain the bop who's a thought.
I can't explain why.
ian crossland
You bop the thought if you're having sex with hoes.
unidentified
It's not a verb.
tim pool
Dex and Dice LLC says, ew, is it?
Rakdos for life.
LOL, what say you, Moon Lord?
ian crossland
I thought it was black and red last week when I was thinking about it.
unidentified
Rakdos.
ian crossland
I was like, I bet he's black and red.
And then it showed that his favorite card, we're talking about J.D. Vance, by the way.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's monocolor back then.
ian crossland
His favorite color is the Phyrex.
What is it?
tim pool
His favorite card was Yagma's Bargain.
unidentified
Yagma's Bargain.
tim pool
Of which I pulled mine.
ian crossland
Amazing card.
tim pool
It's yours, actually, I think.
The Yagma's Bargain?
I think it's yours.
ian crossland
It is.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's banned from Commander because you have 40 health.
tim pool
Okay, well, let's pause.
They ran a smear against J.D. Vance.
I was loving this.
unidentified
I knew it was black and red.
ian crossland
I knew it.
tim pool
He's not Rectos.
ian crossland
We'll find out.
tim pool
This is Earth's Destiny.
Okay, they ran a smear against JD Vance saying that his favorite Magic the Gathering card can prove something about his dark ambitions.
ian crossland
It's just a good card, though.
tim pool
And so he said, when I was 13, I played Magic the Gathering.
The problem is when you're 15, the girls aren't interested in guys playing Magic the Gathering, so I stopped.
He was asked what his favorite card was.
He said, Yawgmoth's Bargain.
So, for those that don't know anything about magic, there's five colors.
Each color represents, has an identity.
There's white and black, red, green, and blue.
Blue is control, green is growth, red is passion and aggression, white is honor and order, and black is ambition and sacrifice.
So because he said his favorite card was a black magic card, they were arguing, a Democrat literally said, this represents how he would sell his soul for power.
And I'm just like, guys...
Literally, it's a children's game, okay?
I mean, adults play it, too, because it's a strategy game, and it's fun.
But I'm like, if a 13-year-old kid is playing a wizard game with black magic, it's not because he wants to sell his soul for power.
It's because he wants to play a strategy game where he casts a fireball on his friend.
ian crossland
And if he's using Yawgma's Bargain, it's because he's good.
tim pool
The card is awesome.
In 1999, if he was playing that card, it's simply because that was the best card.
ian crossland
It's amazing.
tim pool
That was it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it makes sense that it's his favorite card.
That's like my Tolerian Academy.
tim pool
Imagine if they said, J.D. Vance plays chess, and his favorite piece is the queen.
I'd be like, okay.
That shows he wants power because the queen can move in every direction as far as it wants.
I'd be like, no, it's just a good piece.
ian crossland
His choice of white indicates his racism.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
When he plays chess, he prefers to play white.
Well, white's got a small advantage.
That proves he's racist.
That's basically what they did.
Anyway, I was loving it because any opportunity to talk about Magic the Gathering is fun.
ian crossland
Oh, it's so hot.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
Acoustic Theory says, there is another case of eating the dogs.
It's an outlandish comment.
Oh, this is another case of eating the dogs.
But it highlights the real problem that I didn't know about.
There's an actual real problem with landfill space in Puerto Rico.
A lot of people are saying that the greater context is that there's...
Landfill problems in Puerto Rico and with the hurricane damage, he was saying a lot of stuff was destroyed.
And the news around it was basically like, hey, this stuff needs to get fixed.
But the media doesn't care.
They don't care about comedy.
Any opportunity.
And so I don't know.
I think it's probably fair for people who are like, maybe you shouldn't have an insult roast comic this close in the election or something.
james okeefe
Fair criticism.
tim pool
But I like comedy.
I think Tony Hinchcliffe is a hilarious guy.
And I thought the jokes were all funny.
james okeefe
It's like a forum.
You wear a tuxedo to a black tie event.
Maybe it's just one of those sorts of things.
You just don't do certain things certain places.
But I don't know if that's true, actually.
tim pool
Michael Villafana says, I'm Puerto Rican and I thought the joke was freaking hilarious.
My mom, who was born in Puerto Rico, would have laughed too.
She always called PR trash.
Yeah.
It's funny, too, how there's a lot of Puerto Ricans who are like, I thought it was funny.
And there was one I saw, they posted on an accident, like, I'm more offended at the white liberals acting like they're offended for me.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
mary morgan
It's like the white liberals thought it was funny, though.
unidentified
A lot of people are pointing out that there's, like, real issues in Puerto Rico with, like, their waste management.
So it's like, it has a kernel of truth.
All right.
tim pool
What have we here?
Wyatt Caldenberg says, Tim, Madison Square Garden has moved four times.
The 1939 building is not the same building as today.
MSNBC never fact check its own news reports.
That's right.
The Care of the Bear says, Canuck here, Puerto Rico has a landfill problem, thus a garbage problem.
Kill Tony wasn't wrong or racist or whatever.
Also, can you be racist against a country for criticizing the state of the country, like its government?
james okeefe
No.
tim pool
I don't think it's racist to be like, if you were to say, insert African nation has a problem with waste, that's not racist, you're criticizing government.
Yeah, I'll say that all the time, so.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Logic Plague says burning ballots gives someone the ability to say, see, we have to accept ballots post-election.
Or it gives them the ability to be like, see, the election is compromised because ballots were destroyed.
That's crazy.
Ginger McEyser says, a pick six is an interception taken for a touchdown.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can't run a play.
You can't run a pick six.
It can happen in football.
tim pool
Oh, it's like you're not planning for it to happen.
ian crossland
Correct.
And he said they ran a pick six.
tim pool
He said AOC can run a mean pick six.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're like, how do you run a pick six?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
What does that mean, pick six?
ian crossland
It means that someone picked off the ball, interception, and then they ran it back for six points.
tim pool
Oh, I see, I see.
Ah, okay.
ian crossland
I looked that up, full transparency.
tim pool
Yeah, if it's about skateboarding or Magic the Gathering, I can tell you literally everything, but if it's football, I don't know anything about that stuff.
Although I do know that SNL was really funny where he's like, we'll play football, and they're like, and this is the game where you kick the ball with your feet?
No, you throw a ball with your hands.
james okeefe
Football Americano.
tim pool
That's right.
What have we here?
The horrible Miss Drake says, ballot box fire seems like a false flag.
The left is extreme and the right hates mail-in ballots.
I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican is blamed.
I don't know.
james okeefe
Occam's Razor, just a crazy guy doing a crazy thing.
You know, simplest explanation here.
Possibly.
tim pool
Yeah.
mary morgan
They should not be in an unattended box.
ian crossland
Yeah, they should be locked.
unidentified
Should all be locked.
tim pool
They are locked.
ian crossland
I guess you can still slide stuff into it.
tim pool
They're locked, but it doesn't matter.
mary morgan
They shouldn't be in there.
tim pool
Yeah, there should be.
No early voting.
Just, no.
That's ridiculous.
Voting month?
That's ridiculous.
Election day should be a holiday, and everybody gets to go vote if they so choose.
It should not be mandatory either.
ian crossland
I don't know.
I'd be out of town if that were the case.
tim pool
Yeah, that's too bad.
Me too.
So we have to go vote early, but I still think if we were in a circumstance where you had to be here to vote, we'd be here to vote.
Yep.
John says, uh, what's it?
Cerro Sanguinas.
There you go.
People in Arizona were caught on video calling votes wrong.
Dems registered R to vote for Nikki Haley.
Tim thinks we're stupid.
Why?
Because I'm saying there should be three people counting each ballot?
What is that?
How is that stupid?
You want only one person ready to be a Democrat to count your votes?
Is that your argument?
For real?
Okay.
So I don't know what you expect to happen.
This is the issue that people don't understand.
The Democrats are going to say, oh, but there's hundreds of millions of ballots.
I mean, how are you going to count all these things?
Because you only have, like in one county, 300-something people in a small area and a handful of people count the votes and then they all agree and then that number gets sent up and it's decentralized.
The number gets added to the database and at the top we see what the number is.
And changing one won't be the big enough move to change the bigger picture.
That's the game.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Stonemason has a music cast and I'm late.
Thanks.
Congrats.
That's right.
We have a new song called Hunger Inside coming out on Halloween at midnight.
ian crossland
I want to play that promo tonight.
tim pool
We'll play the promo.
ian crossland
Let's play it before we end the main show.
50,000 people need to hear it.
tim pool
We'll play it right at the end.
And then James O'Keefe is going to play Plush.
He's going to sing Plush by Stunt Temple Pilots on the members only show.
Everyone's been waiting for this moment.
james okeefe
Yes, I'm waiting for this moment.
It's my favorite moment.
ian crossland
That's great.
tim pool
Joe Spinello says, Wronged him.
We didn't always use paper ballots for the first 50 years.
We went to the courthouse, put our hand on a Bible.
The clerk held and swore under penalty of perjury that we haven't voted already and loudly made our vote.
Interesting.
Bring that back, I guess.
Everyone swears on the Bible.
All right.
ian crossland
It'd be cool if they just shout out like a cuss word, though.
I saw that supposed to swear.
tim pool
Dane Peterson says, It's my 47th birthday tomorrow, and all I want is for everyone wanting a Trump presidency to go vote.
All I want is for everyone wanting a Trump presidency to go vote for him.
I'm in deep red Texas, and I will definitely be voting red straight ticket.
I implore to do the same.
Stop the bleeding.
I would just love to see California's got 10 million Republicans and like 6 million vote.
You guys want to know a secret?
AOC won her election in New York with about, I think, 79,000 votes.
There's an estimated 180,000 to 200,000 Republican voters in her district or conservative leaning voters.
You only need half of the Republicans in her district, and you would get a Republican in New York.
But they won't go.
ian crossland
They might.
They might now.
That's the truth.
If enough Americans become activated in one direction, they control the political narrative.
tim pool
Could you imagine AOC losing to the Republican?
Not anymore.
If you are in her district and you're conservative, get everyone you know to vote and you will win and she will lose.
How about this?
Even if she wins, what if it was close?
Imagine she'd be sweating bullets and she might start changing her tune, realizing that she could lose her election.
I wish, though.
I wish.
It's looking like in some jurisdictions, like Pennsylvania, some of the polls are showing the Democrats winning the Senate race.
But Trump is slightly ahead for the presidency because Kamala's that bad.
james okeefe
I don't care.
tim pool
Yeah.
Christians vote in low proportions.
james okeefe
Throughout the 20th century, it was always about change the people who are in the middle.
That was always what the strategy was politically.
tim pool
The word is that a higher density of Christians are not coming to vote.
And for whatever reasons, Christians, like actual devout, they do not vote.
I don't know.
That's why in Charlestown, you have a liberal city council.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And a Latin mass.
And I'm like, how is this possible?
And councilmen told me it's because the Christians won't vote.
They just won't do it.
Why?
What I was explaining to me is that many of them think that their duty is to God, not the state.
So they think that going to church is voting, and they ignore their earthly duties.
And it's greatly offensive to a lot of people.
Because I'm sure there's a lot of Christians who are like, no, you must fulfill your divine mandate here on earth with your responsibilities and your duties.
But the way it was explained to me is that a lot of these religious people feel like going to church is their duty and they need do nothing else.
mary morgan
I saw, like, Kamala supporters rallying in Charlestown on Sunday.
Did you see that?
No.
unidentified
Did you drive past?
mary morgan
I drove past these people and I didn't see, I looked down the street, you can see literally this church and then these people with abortion as healthcare signs.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Well, the...
mary morgan
Where are we?
tim pool
The old abandoned pawn shop across from the casino is the new GOP headquarters.
I saw all the signs and I was like, what's happened to the old casino pond?
And it's got a big sign saying GOP headquarters.
I was like, oh, did you look at that?
There you go.
Congratulations.
Alright, let's grab some more.
Uh-oh, what is this?
Smith Creek Farms says we lost our cat Pickle to FIV today.
But in happier news, thank you so much for shouting out our biz last year.
You guys helped us grow more than you can imagine.
You guys are doing great work.
Well, shout out to you.
Thanks for the super chat.
Sorry to hear about your cat.
That's unfortunate.
unidentified
Pickle.
tim pool
Pickle.
That's no good.
That's no good.
All right.
Oh, someone mentioned this is interesting, too.
Barrett says, also, tax on unrealized gains.
Big for billionaires.
Yep.
A lot of billionaires are like, we will not let this woman win.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's like Zuckerberg, all those guys.
Bezos.
What an insane concept that is.
tim pool
Lizard for Thursday says, I run a local election.
Voter interference is against the law.
Stopping a resident from voting is just that.
Something a fellow resident can do is challenge another ballot for whatever their reason is.
Key is fellow resident initiative.
Interesting.
says Tim there's several videos of ballot boxes on fire crazy Bridget May says Vancouver isn't deep Suburbs are red.
Joe Kent.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's crazy, man.
Mizumori says, in your Supernatural video, you should have cited the Next Generation episode, The Devil's Due.
The woman impersonates the devil using advanced technology.
This is in response to an argument I made about the idea that something is supernatural is nonsense.
So, um...
There's an argument on Twitter where someone was saying, it was Colin Wright, he was saying that just because we don't know the origin of life doesn't mean that we can make a supernatural explanation for it.
But I just was like, okay, well, define supernatural.
And the problem is supernatural, he responded with, not natural, and I just...
ian crossland
Yeah, I think God's...
tim pool
It's not the definition of supernatural.
ian crossland
God's formation of life could be like a wave guide.
I asked Jim Tour about this, who's a chemist, works leading pioneer graphene scientist on Earth.
He's also a creationist, and thinks, we talk about the, where does life come from, and physics and chemistry has been trying to figure this out, and I'm like, could you use sound to guide amino acids in a wave pool to create life?
And he's like, not as we know it.
But that doesn't mean it's not possible.
I think there's some sort of guidance that's causing things to form and to matter.
tim pool
My point is that there are a lot of people who are atheists and who are like, the only way to explain something is based on what we think we know.
And I'm like, what?
Hypotheses exist for a reason.
And the argument is, the idea of a grand creator is supernatural, therefore it's implausible and shouldn't be considered.
And I'm like, that's actually really bad science.
Just because God exists and you don't understand the mechanisms by which God exists doesn't mean it's supernatural.
It's just beyond our current understanding, which is fine to say that's what supernatural means if that's what you're trying to define it as.
So one definition of supernatural is beyond our current scientific understanding.
But if that's what the definition you're using is, to then argue we should not consider the supernatural is literally saying, if we are going to try and determine how something came to be, we should not pursue ideas that exist outside of what we already think we know.
ian crossland
Yeah, don't assume that something supernatural is the way it is, but be open to the idea that it might be.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
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There's pre-shows, there's after-shows, and you get access to the members-only show coming up in just a few minutes.
We're going to go around with our shout-outs, and then after we do, I'm going to give you a preview of the new single, Hunger Inside, that's coming out on Thursday.
So again, share the show, smash the like button, follow me on X on Instagram at TimCast.
James, do you want to shout anything out?
james okeefe
Lineinthesandmovie.com.
We can purchase the movie and watch this incredible film about the border.
ian crossland
Amazing James O'Keefe.
Follow James O'Keefe on Twitter.
You are a pioneer.
You are the, what's that guy?
Lawrence of Arabia in real life of our generation.
I like that guy a lot.
Lawrence Olivier, was that his name?
Dude, you're the real deal, James.
I love you, man.
tim pool
Thank you.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming.
james okeefe
Thank you.
ian crossland
And you follow me at Ian Crossland.
Rock and roll, baby.
I'm all over the internet.
Follow me.
mary morgan
You can find me on Instagram at x at maryarchived and you should go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis.
We're going live tomorrow at 3 p.m.
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tim pool
Now for the members only, we're going to have James O'Keefe sing Plush by Stuntable Pilots.
But if you've got one quick 40 second or one minute, I'm going to give you a preview of the new song Hunger Inside as per the request of Ian.
And here you go.
Wait, in fact, I have to unmute it because it is muted.
ian crossland
So let's start it over.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
james okeefe
Trump dance.
tim pool
There you go.
So that'll be out this Thursday at midnight.
It will be available, hungerinside.com.
We will see you all over at timcast.com in a minute.
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